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Speaker 1: to have you on. So why don't we start with

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Speaker 1: some Giants Okay stuff first before we go to the

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Speaker 1: draft here, big decisions coming up on Daniel Jones and say,

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Speaker 1: Quon Barkley, your thoughts on those two guys in terms

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Speaker 1: of their how they did this year rolling the Giants

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Speaker 1: offense moving forward, you could take this whatever direction you want, right,

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Speaker 1: go right ahead, Well let's leave the money aside, because

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Speaker 1: you know, again I don't I don't deal with that

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Speaker 1: on the field stuff. Yeah, you know, I thought that

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Speaker 1: Brian Dable kind of came in and in some way

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Speaker 1: you're capable of doing that, and that's that's going to

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Speaker 1: than that, correct correct um, you know. And then I thought,

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Speaker 1: I think they had a sense that those three wide receivers,

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Speaker 1: He's gonna line up in multiple locations. He's a movement guy,

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Speaker 1: You know what's interesting, Greg, We know the Giants need

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Speaker 1: some help at receiver. We know they could use some

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Speaker 1: Get somebody there could rotate with Williams and and uh

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Speaker 1: But yet, when you looked at this team this past year,

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