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Speaker 3: We are live from the Star in Frisco.
Speaker 4: Here in the s WBC podcast studio, I am Josh Rodriguez,
Speaker 4: still filling in for Kyle Yeomans here with Nick Harris,
Speaker 4: Isaiah standback, John Machoda with Christopher Beemer in the back.
Speaker 5: This is the real live show that airboy should be watching,
Speaker 5: not the dog on Tom Brady roast.
Speaker 3: It's like that, Yeah, it really is.
Speaker 4: I'm killing you for being here with you guys, seriously,
Speaker 4: it's so.
Speaker 3: It's great to be here.
Speaker 6: I know you had like a plan for the show, Josh,
Speaker 6: but we should just pivot and make off the sand
Speaker 6: Back roast the entire you know that. Yeah, honestly, I
Speaker 6: think you would be like you're you're pretty easy, Like.
Speaker 4: You could take it John you first, Yeah, lay into him, man.
Speaker 3: It's like, that's it, that's the joke that was you
Speaker 3: watched it, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's amazing, so good yea, Like we were just
Speaker 1: saying before that we started doing the show right here,
Speaker 1: like of all the live event type stuff like awards, roasts, everything,
Speaker 1: anything that's like live TV, I'll put I'll put that
Speaker 1: thing up against any of it. It was so it
Speaker 1: was I mean from beginning to end. I mean it's
Speaker 1: not for everybody. There's there's gonna be jokes in there
Speaker 1: that people aren't gonna probably like here, I appreciate whatever,
Speaker 1: but man, that thing was Who was the best? So
Speaker 1: from a comic standpoint, I thought it was Nicky Glazer.
Speaker 1: She was She she's dead. I mean, that's her business,
Speaker 1: that's what she does. I mean, she's very good at
Speaker 1: what she does. Now, the other people that were up there,
Speaker 1: it's just very clear that their jokes were written by
Speaker 1: somebody professionally, but you still have to deliver them.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: But I honestly, to me, it's not even about the best.
Speaker 1: It's that really nobody was bad. Yeah, you know they're
Speaker 1: like I said, Ben Affleck was kind of you could
Speaker 1: it was okay. I think they're a Patriots fan. You
Speaker 1: probably liked it because he came at it for more
Speaker 1: of a Patriots fan standpoint, but just you said Wes Welker.
Speaker 1: But outside of that, like, I can't think of anybody
Speaker 1: that wasn't there that you'd want to be there, other
Speaker 1: than maybe Eli Manning, but I'm even Peyton Manning being there.
Speaker 1: I mean, it was just he.
Speaker 6: Did tweet about me and he was like, I would
Speaker 6: have shown him to the roast, but I didn't want
Speaker 6: to beat him for a third time or something like that.
Speaker 3: Didn't want to roast.
Speaker 1: And I'm telling you, if you watched the whole thing
Speaker 1: and you were ranking jokes, that thing probably runs about
Speaker 1: number thirty seven on the list because there was just
Speaker 1: so much stuff that I thought I figured would be
Speaker 1: now that's gonna be off the table. They won't be
Speaker 1: able to say this, and man, everything everything that you
Speaker 1: could possibly say.
Speaker 3: Once you signed up for a roast, you signed up
Speaker 3: to get destroyed.
Speaker 7: The gentleman Aaron Hernandoz joke was wow, I would.
Speaker 1: Like that Aaron Hernandez stuff, the Alex Guerrero stuff.
Speaker 5: I would have left all Hernanda stuff off that off limbits.
Speaker 5: But yeah, that's not off limbs for everybody.
Speaker 1: Even if you're just there and you're and you're a
Speaker 1: famous person. I mean Kim Kardashian caught it, uh, I
Speaker 1: mean Honesley. There were some really good jokes that were
Speaker 1: directed at Dana White that I mean about the UFC selection.
Speaker 3: Is very important on nights like that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, like you need to be like in the back,
Speaker 5: Like you don't want to be anywhere near the front
Speaker 5: where the spotlights are at like be tucked off somewhere.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I liked Tony Hincliff. I thought that he was the best.
Speaker 7: He was very gros like and he's a traditional he's.
Speaker 4: A comic and everything, and he actually has a show
Speaker 4: very well about roasting people.
Speaker 3: Uh, he was the best.
Speaker 4: And then obviously his shots at Kim Kardashian, even at
Speaker 4: Kevin Hart and Philadelphia that was good.
Speaker 3: Yeah, good stuff. Three hours.
Speaker 7: I didn't go back and watch.
Speaker 6: I don't know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I heard Belichick did his thing. He did that's funny.
Speaker 1: I don't I don't know if it's it's not for kids.
Speaker 1: But even with it being that, like, I just really
Speaker 1: didn't only thought there was maybe thirty minutes of fad
Speaker 1: on it that you'd have to trim off maybe, but
Speaker 1: I don't think that it was really like you could
Speaker 1: go back to it, and if you were like trying
Speaker 1: to cut it down, even if you try to cut
Speaker 1: it down to just the best of the best, I
Speaker 1: still think it's an hour and a half at least.
Speaker 4: There's no there's not a single person you take off.
Speaker 1: I mean, if from a comedy standpoint, I don't think
Speaker 1: all the players are really that funny, but there's certain
Speaker 1: players that you just have to have up there because
Speaker 1: you know they're of their connection with Tom Brady. But
Speaker 1: I mean a lot of those Gronkowski jokes made of Gronk,
Speaker 1: like it is good to have him up there, you know.
Speaker 1: And then just how it was very apparent, how he
Speaker 1: made it very clear that he was just reading the teleprompter,
Speaker 1: and how like Kevin Hart's making jokes no, no, Aaron, Aaron, Aaron,
Speaker 1: Rob Rob just sounded out, sounded out.
Speaker 3: Stuff like that.
Speaker 1: He's perfect to have up there for that, And he
Speaker 1: seems to be a good sport about it because he
Speaker 1: was the butt of a lot of jokes there for sure.
Speaker 4: Well, it's fair to say that this was actually like
Speaker 4: a big week in Dallas sports. I kind of wanted
Speaker 4: to get into MAVs and Stars. How are we feeling.
Speaker 3: About that guys. Does that put any pressure on here
Speaker 3: Dallas Cowboys? Yeah?
Speaker 7: Where are the cracking these days?
Speaker 3: They're sitting at the crib. Yeah, we got a new
Speaker 3: coach coming in, so I'm excited. Yeah I was. I
Speaker 3: was never gonge hole about that coach. You know what
Speaker 3: I'm saying. From the time that.
Speaker 7: They last year, I was not about the coach, not about.
Speaker 3: The coach, not about the coach, about the team, not
Speaker 3: about the coach.
Speaker 5: I disliked the coach from the time that they had
Speaker 5: their first picks to go take somebody from every roster,
Speaker 5: and he was picking guys that were development guys. I'm like,
Speaker 5: go grab the dog on goons like Vegas, like the
Speaker 5: Vegas team did the year before or two years before.
Speaker 5: He went out there, sorry, grabbing development guys when he
Speaker 5: could have grabbed superstars.
Speaker 3: I was so angry from that point.
Speaker 5: It's like picking your dodgeball team and his dude was
Speaker 5: like picking the guys that are coming off the bench.
Speaker 3: And Vegas took it to Game seven. If you see that.
Speaker 5: They did just Seattle did it the year before, but
Speaker 5: the Stars came out and the Stars won both years,
Speaker 5: So keep going Stars.
Speaker 3: They did at the cracking, aren't planing. I'm rocking with
Speaker 3: the stars.
Speaker 8: Yeah, you think Marshaun Lynch would coach the crack in
Speaker 8: That'd be amazing.
Speaker 3: Bro, That'd be the most physical team in the history
Speaker 3: of the NHL. I'd like to see it. It'd be entertaining.
Speaker 3: He's part owner.
Speaker 6: What would be fascinating? You mentioned the Kraken and the
Speaker 6: Golden Knights. What would an expansion draft look like in
Speaker 6: the NFL? Like, how many, like when the Texans came
Speaker 6: in the league, how many players were the were the
Speaker 6: teams able to claim?
Speaker 7: And like, yeah, protect, protect, that's what I mean.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a bean question. Yeah, I don't remember.
Speaker 9: I can't remember I was around when the Houston Texans
Speaker 9: came into the league.
Speaker 1: I just know I could remember with NBA expansion at
Speaker 1: least back when like the Magic and Hornets and Timberwolves,
Speaker 1: I think that you could protect most guys. I think
Speaker 1: there was only like a couple guys that were available
Speaker 1: you could pick from on each roster. So I bet
Speaker 1: NFL wise you probably can protect I would say seventy
Speaker 1: five percent of your roster.
Speaker 6: It says all thirty two current teams could leave five
Speaker 6: players unprotected, so I guess that would be like of
Speaker 6: the fifty three man so you could protect forty eight
Speaker 6: of the fifty three guys.
Speaker 1: Yes, But what would be interesting about that is that
Speaker 1: some of those unprotected guys on some teams would be
Speaker 1: some good players that the team's like, yeah, we'd like
Speaker 1: to get rid of this contract, go ahead and take
Speaker 1: that guy, and somebody and and and that, and that
Speaker 1: expansion team would be like, yeah, that is a lot,
Speaker 1: but we got money to spend, and that would be
Speaker 1: a great guy to be kind of a leader or
Speaker 1: whatever for the team. So I don't think it would
Speaker 1: just be all nobody's or lower level guys. I think
Speaker 1: there would be some noble guys. You'd be like, oh wow,
Speaker 1: I can't believe that they didn't protect that.
Speaker 4: Guy just trying to get out of the contractations there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's fair different.
Speaker 1: I have a different perspective on the whole uh Rangers
Speaker 1: stars just because I'm not from here. Yeah, But to
Speaker 1: answer your question, I just and and and this is
Speaker 1: like and I have a hard time explaining to people
Speaker 1: because I think because I cover the Cowboys, like I'm
Speaker 1: a Cowboys fan, I'm not a Cowboys fan at all.
Speaker 1: I grew up in Detroit. I'm still a Detroit sports fan,
Speaker 1: but being from there and like looking at from Afar,
Speaker 1: like no offense to the other teams around here, but
Speaker 1: like there's nothing that they do that's gonna that has
Speaker 1: any imprint on the Cowboys. Really, No, the Cowboys are
Speaker 1: there's so much bigger than this area. Course, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean I can't give you an exact percentage, but
Speaker 1: it's not like, okay, like when you come from Detroit,
Speaker 1: the amount of Tigers fans that are also Lions fans,
Speaker 1: I mean, it's got to be in the ninety percent higher.
Speaker 1: I mean, if you're a Cowboys fan, like and I'm
Speaker 1: not just saying in this area, I mean there's probably
Speaker 1: a good chunk of your fan base that's Lakers and
Speaker 1: Yankees fan and stuff like that. I'm just saying that, Yeah,
Speaker 1: And this is coming from a perspective of like I
Speaker 1: didn't move down here until I was twenty eight, you know,
Speaker 1: I just knew about it from like Afar. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm like, interesting, now I've been down here. I'm forty two. Now,
Speaker 1: I've I've spent some time in the area, and really
Speaker 1: i'd been great.
Speaker 3: For forty two, you're a spring chicken.
Speaker 7: Yeah, and the rest I would not have guessed that.
Speaker 1: The rest of I appreciate it, the rest.
Speaker 6: Of the rest of the nice roast.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, the rest of the teams are having more success.
Speaker 1: You know, they've all been to at least the conference
Speaker 1: finals or won a championship since I've lived down here.
Speaker 1: But the Cowboys brand is so big that it's just
Speaker 1: it just they will always matter everything that they do,
Speaker 1: just it just always matters. It's it's hard to compare
Speaker 1: it to anything else because it's really they are really
Speaker 1: like Lakers Yankees, where it's that there's a lot of
Speaker 1: people that love this team that probably have never even
Speaker 1: stepped foot in the state of Texas.
Speaker 5: Would your outlook change if the Stars and the MAVs
Speaker 5: both won championships this year, so then you would have Rangers,
Speaker 5: Stars and MAVs all winning.
Speaker 1: See, he'sn changed my perspective in twenty years. It would take.
Speaker 6: Here's the thing about that, and this is something that
Speaker 6: was kind of I discussed it a lot with Kyle
Speaker 6: whenever the Rangers were going through their World Series parade
Speaker 6: and everything like that. If the Cowboys won, if the
Speaker 6: parade would last a week. Yeah, because you would have
Speaker 6: to do one in Dallas. You would have to do
Speaker 6: one in Arlington. Damn sure, there'd be one out here
Speaker 6: on the Star District. There would be three different parades
Speaker 6: you would.
Speaker 3: Have to well.
Speaker 1: And the other part of that is too is so
Speaker 1: I didn't go to the Rangers when I watched the
Speaker 1: you know, the coverage on TV, But I felt like
Speaker 1: that was probably mostly local people that went to that parade.
Speaker 1: If the Cowboys won a Super Bowl, there's a good
Speaker 1: percentage of people that would fly in from other parts
Speaker 1: of the country and other parts of the world that
Speaker 1: would want to be especially now that there's been the
Speaker 1: over twenty eight years of Yeah, it would.
Speaker 4: Be oh man, it's just such.
Speaker 1: A big brand. It's hard to compare it to anything else.
Speaker 3: New York period was crazy, but Dallas might be.
Speaker 4: That would with the weight if you compound, you know,
Speaker 4: the years and years and years of waiting for this
Speaker 4: to finally be a Super Bowl winning team. I think, yeah,
Speaker 4: it would last a week, but we wouldn't sleep, But like,
Speaker 4: nor would you want to sleep?
Speaker 3: Yeah, at least I would, you know what I mean,
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 6: I love my beauty sleep. I got to make sure
Speaker 6: I look like John when'my too.
Speaker 1: The other thing I'll add in there too is that
Speaker 1: let's just say that this is some this is a
Speaker 1: super city. That the Lakers are also the NBA team here,
Speaker 1: and the Yankees of the baseball team. I still would
Speaker 1: think that the Cowboys would rain over all of them,
Speaker 1: just because of the popularity of the NFL is just
Speaker 1: so far. Like I mean when I say rain over them,
Speaker 1: I mean, if those fans could all pick, like only
Speaker 1: one of our teams can win a championship, who would
Speaker 1: it be? Those fans I think would pick the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: They're just they're the biggest brand, and just they have
Speaker 1: the most fans, They have the most passionate fan base, win, lose, whatever.
Speaker 1: I just it's hard to compare them locally because most
Speaker 1: big cities that have four major sports teams there is
Speaker 1: some similarity between those teams there, and I feel like
Speaker 1: in Dallas, like the Cowboys are just I mean, they're
Speaker 1: just such a huge brand that it's bigger than just
Speaker 1: you know, the city. That's fair if they're bigger than
Speaker 1: the state.
Speaker 4: That being said, let's get into some news and notes.
Speaker 6: Yeah, from home run derby last week is that ever
Speaker 6: you want to start, Josh, Yeah, let's do that.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 6: So the Reliant Home Run Derby, it's a big charity
Speaker 6: event that the Cowboys do every offseason. They get ten
Speaker 6: players together and they go hit some baseballs out at
Speaker 6: rough Riders Field down the street and raise money for charity.
Speaker 6: We'll start with the charity efforts Brian Anger, which is
Speaker 6: hilarious that the punter wins the home Run Derby. But
Speaker 6: I saw him practicing that morning and he can rake.
Speaker 6: He was going, he can rake. It's it's quite impressive.
Speaker 6: I think we were talking to gosh, who was it,
Speaker 6: I think it was Brandon Cooks maybe, and it was like,
Speaker 6: are you surprised that Brian Inger's doing this? He's like
Speaker 6: these specialists, they all got something weird that they're really
Speaker 6: good at. So, but Brian Inger raised twenty two eight
Speaker 6: hundred dollars for charity, and all the Cowboys raised one
Speaker 6: hundred and four thousand, nine hundred for the Salvation Army.
Speaker 7: So a really good effort.
Speaker 6: And they're they're going on I think eight nine years
Speaker 6: of doing this event and they're coming up on raising
Speaker 6: a million dollars total for the Salvation Army.
Speaker 7: So pretty cool. But also what's pretty cool.
Speaker 6: About the event is we get to spend three four
Speaker 6: minutes with the players and press them on their off
Speaker 6: seasons and contracts and things of the sort. So just
Speaker 6: kind of running down the list here that I had
Speaker 6: for my article on Dallas Cowboys dot Com. It was
Speaker 6: the home run derby was the same day Ezekiel Elliott
Speaker 6: came out with the news that he's actually gonna wear
Speaker 6: fifteen instead of twenty one. We kind of dove into
Speaker 6: that a little bit, and he said, I just kind
Speaker 6: of look at a look of it as a different era.
Speaker 6: I wore fifteen last year, wanted to go back. I
Speaker 6: got unfinished. Bis I'm here to chase a ring. So
Speaker 6: you know, I think there's a little bit more hunger
Speaker 6: in Ezekiel Elliott coming in this year than maybe what
Speaker 6: he was going in with last year in New England
Speaker 6: in my eyes, just because you know, he's he's back
Speaker 6: in Dallas, he's back with DAK. I think I don't
Speaker 6: think he's an RB one, I'll say that, but I
Speaker 6: think he could be a really good complimentary back to
Speaker 6: a guy that they could bring in that has quote
Speaker 6: unquote the juice that they're looking for. But we'll kind
Speaker 6: of see as the off season years. And I know
Speaker 6: there's potentially some trade candidates that could work for the Cowboys,
Speaker 6: but do you want to trade assets for a running
Speaker 6: back that you might only have for a year or two.
Speaker 6: They're in a weird kind of position when it comes
Speaker 6: to that position group right now. Also, Brandon Aubrey kicker
Speaker 6: kind of came out that he had appendix surgery the
Speaker 6: day after the Pro Bowl. Going into the Pro Bowl,
Speaker 6: he could feel it being kind of weird. He went
Speaker 6: to the doctor.
Speaker 7: They were like, yeah, you need to get that out,
Speaker 7: and he was like, put me on meds. I'm trying
Speaker 7: to get through the Pro Bowl.
Speaker 6: And so he went on the went on the meds,
Speaker 6: got through the Pro Bowl, and then the very next
Speaker 6: day got his appendix removed.
Speaker 3: And then and uh yeah, and.
Speaker 6: Then he's been sitting on his butt for six weeks
Speaker 6: and he said it's uh, it's been great. And he
Speaker 6: was able to get back to kicking rather recently and
Speaker 6: he said it's like riding a bike. It was it
Speaker 6: was nothing, nothing to foreign to him going back to kicking.
Speaker 6: Because you have to think that's the longest break he's
Speaker 6: taken from kicking since he started kicking from going back
Speaker 6: to his soccer days. So we can start with those
Speaker 6: couple of notes, y'all want to dive into some things there.
Speaker 4: Well, another one I wanted to bring up Steven Jones
Speaker 4: on Mad Dog Radio, I think it was yesterday talking
Speaker 4: about the Dak contract yet again.
Speaker 3: And I don't want to.
Speaker 4: Delve too deep into this, but he did say you
Speaker 4: wanted it to be. They're making it a priority to
Speaker 4: resign Dak to an extension. Now, what are your thoughts
Speaker 4: on that at this point? I mean, we're kind of
Speaker 4: long in the tooth at this point when it comes
Speaker 4: to Dak.
Speaker 5: On the mountain that I stood on a while back
Speaker 5: by saying that I believe that I'm in the mindset
Speaker 5: that you should allow Dak to play his last year.
Speaker 5: And you rolled the dice there and you may improve it,
Speaker 5: and you understand that you might have to pay one
Speaker 5: heck of a pretty penny, and you also understand that
Speaker 5: you might lose lose a quarterback. You know, that's a
Speaker 5: part of that's a part of gambling. I mean, that's
Speaker 5: that's what it is, and that's what you do every
Speaker 5: year that you draft. It's an educated gamble, but it
Speaker 5: is a gamble, and I think that if if it
Speaker 5: were me making the decisions, I want to see what
Speaker 5: you're made of.
Speaker 3: I want to see what you got.
Speaker 5: I want to I want to see the head coach
Speaker 5: what is back against the wall, and I want to
Speaker 5: see my quarterback with the you're back against the wall.
Speaker 5: What can you guys collectively do together to change the
Speaker 5: outcome that we've had since we sent you stepped foot
Speaker 5: on this team. And that's not a that's not a
Speaker 5: that's no knock on deck, there's no knock on on
Speaker 5: thecarth there's no knock on anything they've done. But I
Speaker 5: want to see it because if I'm gonna pay premium,
Speaker 5: I need to see premium. And I've seen it in
Speaker 5: the regular season, but what you're asking me to pay for,
Speaker 5: I'm not paying for that production for just the regular season.
Speaker 5: And I just need to see it and that you
Speaker 5: would do that if you guys were building a custom home.
Speaker 5: If you guys have we had, you know, two million
Speaker 5: dollars right now is here, Go build it. Go build
Speaker 5: a custom home from from the ground. You're not gonna
Speaker 5: go with people who just do good work. You want
Speaker 5: to see show me the great work that you've done
Speaker 5: that And that's not being disrespectful. It just like, hey,
Speaker 5: this is this is meaningful to me. I care a
Speaker 5: lot about this. This is my money. I want to
Speaker 5: know that you can do the job exactly the way
Speaker 5: in which I projected to be. And if you have
Speaker 5: you can't, then I'm gonna go with the next best man.
Speaker 6: I understand the sense of it completely, like I understand
Speaker 6: where you're coming from. And I want to see this
Speaker 6: entire group put under a little bit of pressure too
Speaker 6: and see how it kind of works out for them.
Speaker 6: Hasn't worked great in the past whenever pressure has been applied,
Speaker 6: But let's see, you know, in a year, in a
Speaker 6: year's case, in a vacuum, maybe that would be a
Speaker 6: little bit better. However, and in my eyes, if I
Speaker 6: was the one making these decisions up in the front office,
Speaker 6: I'm trying to get him signed immediately. I don't want
Speaker 6: him going into the year playing out his final year
Speaker 6: of his deal. Look a really good quarterback, franchise quarterback
Speaker 6: which I could consider Dak to be.
Speaker 3: It's hard to find in this leep.
Speaker 6: I mean, you've seen a lot of teams go through
Speaker 6: QB purgatory over the course of a life ten years
Speaker 6: and drafting and then cutting and then redrafted. Look at
Speaker 6: the Bears, I mean, finally they might have their guy.
Speaker 6: We'll see as time goes on. But I mean, I
Speaker 6: don't The Cowboys have been very fortunate to not really
Speaker 6: be in that situation really since Jerry Jones has taken
Speaker 6: over early two thousands. Yes, there was some kind of
Speaker 6: purgatory there, but then they were able to fall on
Speaker 6: Romo and then that kind of worked out, and then
Speaker 6: that led right into Dak. I think there might be
Speaker 6: a little bit of a little bit of privilege when
Speaker 6: it comes to Cowboys fans as far as seeing the
Speaker 6: quarterback position and understanding that, hey, that's gonna be okay
Speaker 6: no matter who's there.
Speaker 7: That's not the case. In my eyes. I would sign Dak.
Speaker 7: Give him what he give him what he wants.
Speaker 6: Seeing what he did under McCarthy last year as he
Speaker 6: got more comfortable in that system, I want to see
Speaker 6: that system more and more if I'm the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: And even though the Cowboys can feel exactly like you
Speaker 1: feel and what you said, most teams, I would say
Speaker 1: almost all, Jerry Jones a little bit of a wildcard.
Speaker 1: But that's what they're gonna They can have those beliefs,
Speaker 1: but they're not gonna say that publicly. You're gonna go
Speaker 1: on the radio and you're going to say exactly what
Speaker 1: Stephen Jones said. It's a priority, and I do believe
Speaker 1: it is a priority if Daks want to take somewhat
Speaker 1: of a team friendly deal. I don't think it's a
Speaker 1: priority if he wants to be the next highest paid
Speaker 1: court back. I think they're just fine letting him play
Speaker 1: the season out and then evaluating it at the end
Speaker 1: of the year. And if they lose him, that's the
Speaker 1: risks that they're willing to take. Obviously, Jerry Jones didn't
Speaker 1: become as wealthy as he is without taking some major risks,
Speaker 1: and so I think that that all factors in. But
Speaker 1: my big thing is is just because you say something
Speaker 1: like that publicly doesn't mean behind the scenes you aren't
Speaker 1: kind of like, no, we want to see a little
Speaker 1: bit more, because you just wouldn't say that publicly, you know, like.
Speaker 4: Are you surprised at this point that it hasn't gotten.
Speaker 1: Done from a Cowboys standpoint a little bit? Just because
Speaker 1: of the fact of that most of the decisions they've
Speaker 1: made over the last decade have been pretty conservative, And
Speaker 1: I think the conservative obvious decision would be, oh, you
Speaker 1: have a top ten franchise quarterback, just give him the
Speaker 1: next franchise quarterback money, because hey, these guys are all
Speaker 1: going to get paid whatever you pay him right now.
Speaker 1: He might even be the number one highest paid quarterback.
Speaker 1: That'll get taught by somebody in another year or so,
Speaker 1: and before you know it, he'll be the fifth or
Speaker 1: sixth highest paid. But this seems like it's there's risk
Speaker 1: to it, because you know, the one I always compare
Speaker 1: it to is just because I know it well, is
Speaker 1: just that I don't know. There were people, and don't
Speaker 1: get me wrong in Detroit that thought Stafford was the problem,
Speaker 1: but I mean I never did. I was like, this
Speaker 1: guy's a really good player. The organization's more of a
Speaker 1: problem than Matthew Stafford is. But when they moved on
Speaker 1: from him, you looked as like, well, you're getting rid
Speaker 1: of a really good player, and what do you get
Speaker 1: in return? And it ended up being great for the organization,
Speaker 1: end up being great for obviously the Rams, And so
Speaker 1: sometimes change, you know, can kind of spark something. But
Speaker 1: my big thing is that you don't know who that
Speaker 1: next guy is. So that's that's the problem that I
Speaker 1: run into is that basically, if you're trying to put
Speaker 1: it in a tiers standpoint, you could very easily go
Speaker 1: from heaven, let's say, the seventh or eighth best quarterback
Speaker 1: in the NFL to having the seventeenth or twenty fifth
Speaker 1: best quarterback in the NFL. And how is that getting
Speaker 1: you any closer? You know, the odds of you getting
Speaker 1: one of those guys that are in the top six
Speaker 1: or seven above him are very very unlikely. And so
Speaker 1: because of that, you are you are certainly gambling.
Speaker 5: I think a lot of people are underestimating the process.
Speaker 5: They're underestimating development and what what the Dallas Cowboys did
Speaker 5: last year, And when they did it, I was like, ooh, okay,
Speaker 5: I see what they're doing by trading for Trey Lance.
Speaker 5: That was a very strategic move. That was very strategic.
Speaker 5: And people that didn't just walk into building ass dak,
Speaker 5: you know what I mean? Like, there's there's development that
Speaker 5: happens yours. There's film study, there's decision making, there's practice reps,
Speaker 5: there's coaching that goes on and it makes players better
Speaker 5: when they step on the field actually compete than what
Speaker 5: they were when they first walked into building. And I
Speaker 5: don't think that Trey Lance is getting a fair He's
Speaker 5: not getting a fair opportunity. Don't the opportunity I figure,
Speaker 5: I don't know, I don't really know what the word is.
Speaker 5: But people aren't giving him enough respect. I think now
Speaker 5: they're looking at what he's done, right, but they don't
Speaker 5: take into consideration the situation that he came into. They
Speaker 5: don't take into the consideration the experience that he had
Speaker 5: when he came into the league, the pressures, all those things.
Speaker 5: Trey Lance. Now, it's it's all to be to be seen.
Speaker 5: Now that's I'm still speaking from that standpoint.
Speaker 3: We haven't seen it.
Speaker 5: But why doesn't Trey Lance get the same opportunities in
Speaker 5: same respect that Dak did when he first came on
Speaker 5: the roster?
Speaker 1: Because yes, well, because in that position there is far far, far, far,
Speaker 1: far far far far more missus than hits at quarterback,
Speaker 1: And there's just for every guy that you're trying to
Speaker 1: give time to. You're gonna get a Mitchell Trubisky, You're
Speaker 1: gonna get You're gonna get Zach Wilson, there when you
Speaker 1: look so many quarterbacks when you give that chance to
Speaker 1: and it does not work.
Speaker 5: I totally agree. And again everything's a roll of the dice. Yes,
Speaker 5: everything's rolled of the dice. Every player they have no
Speaker 5: control over. The player is gonna be amazing or not.
Speaker 5: They can put him in the best position possible based
Speaker 5: upon his his attributes and his characteristic.
Speaker 3: That he has.
Speaker 5: When you look at Trey, When I look at Trey Lance,
Speaker 5: I look at a bigger, stronger, faster, better arm version
Speaker 5: of Dah.
Speaker 3: Now, no, listen, let's I'm talking about. I'm talking about
Speaker 3: from attributes? Where am I wrong? Bigger, stronger. He's not
Speaker 3: bigger or stronger than that at all. He's taller than
Speaker 3: me being I just seen the man two weeks ago.
Speaker 7: He looks good.
Speaker 3: But I stood next to him deck two weeks.
Speaker 5: Ago, and I'm looking up at him and I'm six
Speaker 5: three two forty eight right now, Yeah, I mean, I'm telling, let.
Speaker 1: Me give you another let me give you another thing.
Speaker 3: He's foust. Okay, so we can argue over that he's faster, fast,
Speaker 3: he has a far stronger arm in my opinion.
Speaker 6: Yeah, okay, so accuracy we have to wait to see
Speaker 6: that we're describing Joe Milton right now.
Speaker 5: Okay, I hear you, But I'm talking about like everything
Speaker 5: else could be coached and we haven't seen it. We
Speaker 5: haven't had the opportunity to see it. So what I'm
Speaker 5: saying is give him respect. Let's not look past him
Speaker 5: as if he's not capable of stepping.
Speaker 3: In and being a really good quarter. But we don't know,
Speaker 3: don't We don't know. But so that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: They have more information than we have in regards to
Speaker 5: the capabilities and word Trey Lance currently is today, but
Speaker 5: with those attributes at that point in time, if he
Speaker 5: is willing and able, Now, how much pressure are you
Speaker 5: putting on your coaching staff to develop this talented player
Speaker 5: to be what you need him to be?
Speaker 3: Okay?
Speaker 4: More so for the fan fan asking why not pick
Speaker 4: up his fifth year option, I knew the answer answer
Speaker 4: to money, Yeah, exact facts.
Speaker 1: We've got the other part in this whole, to prove it.
Speaker 3: Proven in cap yeah, proven in preseason. You know it's
Speaker 3: a prove it. I don't care. How's the main thing.
Speaker 4: I just want to put that out there for those listeners.
Speaker 1: And then there's one other part of this too, that
Speaker 1: I don't think needs to be forgotten here. This isn't
Speaker 1: Joey Harrington coming from the Matt Millan Lions, where you're
Speaker 1: just like, well, they really don't know what they're doing.
Speaker 1: The forty nine Ers were thrilled to take a fourth
Speaker 1: round pick for him, and the forty nine ers are
Speaker 1: one of, if not the best run organizations in the league.
Speaker 1: You're and so that that I understand that, but I'm
Speaker 1: just saying again to get a be thrilled to take
Speaker 1: a fourth for him from that organization, Like, as a
Speaker 1: fan of football, you have to look at that and
Speaker 1: be like, hmm, that's kind of interesting. I wonder why they.
Speaker 3: Would just what a seventh fl filled six six.
Speaker 1: I mean, like Chicago Bears, San Francisco forty nine. How
Speaker 1: organizations that we are not doing that?
Speaker 3: But you're not a You're not a fit for every organization.
Speaker 3: You're just not. I mean, that's just that's how to
Speaker 3: I know plenty of.
Speaker 5: Guys who are amazing players but did not have great
Speaker 5: careers because of the systems that they fell into.
Speaker 1: I hate doing this because when you do this then
Speaker 1: it's like you just come off it's looking like you're
Speaker 1: talking bad about the person with all you're trying to
Speaker 1: do is just present the other side. I do think
Speaker 1: Trey Lance could be a good Corvette. I'm just saying
Speaker 1: that it's pretty obvious that the forty nine ers know
Speaker 1: what they're doing and to give him up for as
Speaker 1: little as they gave him up, and everybody in the outside,
Speaker 1: if I was the league, kind of look at it
Speaker 1: and be like, well.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but I mean maybe every quarterback in the league
Speaker 5: doesn't fit in San Francisco's offense and they're not going
Speaker 5: to value them the same.
Speaker 1: I don't how many quarterbacks do they move on from
Speaker 1: teams that don't get the chance, so you never see
Speaker 1: anything positive? Okay that go to another organization. You're just like, damn,
Speaker 1: where did that come from?
Speaker 3: Yeah, teams aren't jumping ship with quarterbacks like billion you
Speaker 3: don't let them leave. But name one.
Speaker 1: I want to know who it is.
Speaker 3: Jared Goff, Thomas Jared Goff.
Speaker 1: Jared Jared Jared Goff got the Rams to a Super Bowl. Uh,
Speaker 1: you know, Drew Brees had success in San Diego. It
Speaker 1: wasn't just this creation that Sean Payton made. Uh, you know,
Speaker 1: Matthew Stafford, he had success in Detroit, where you were like, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's that's a good player. There's a reason why he
Speaker 1: was a one to one and then he goes and
Speaker 1: win Super Bowl, Like how many guys do they the
Speaker 1: teams move on for You're just like, who knew?
Speaker 3: I don't.
Speaker 5: I don't disagree with you, but what I can, But
Speaker 5: what I can. All players don't.
Speaker 1: Fit in all skins, that's true.
Speaker 5: And some coaches are not positioned to coach certain types
Speaker 5: of individuals, and some coaches have less patience for certain
Speaker 5: personality types and other coaches. So if you're not a
Speaker 5: fit in the system, if you're not a fit for
Speaker 5: the organization, you're not a fit.
Speaker 3: For the coaches staff, They're gonna move on from you.
Speaker 6: Shanahan did say at some point, and I don't know
Speaker 6: when this happened because I only saw this clip recently,
Speaker 6: but he said that he felt like he failed Trey Lance,
Speaker 6: and it was it was it was tough to like
Speaker 6: see that from a coach perspective, because that was the
Speaker 6: guy that they invested the number three overall pick in,
Speaker 6: and that was the guy that he wanted to bring
Speaker 6: in and develop. And Trey Lance is a good dude
Speaker 6: and I think if you have that coach player relationship
Speaker 6: with Trey, he'll listen, he'll be coachable, and it's it's
Speaker 6: tough to move on. So yeah, I think at the
Speaker 6: end of the day, if you ask the coaching staff,
Speaker 6: they probably felt like they still had a year or
Speaker 6: two left with Trey to try to work it out.
Speaker 6: But I think when it comes to an organizational standpoint,
Speaker 6: when you see mister irrelevant pass him up, when you
Speaker 6: see Sam Darnold pass him.
Speaker 7: Up, it's like, all right, let's get value out of this.
Speaker 6: So it's like, on one hand, I understand it, but
Speaker 6: on the other hand, it's still tough for the coaching staff.
Speaker 6: I don't think everybody in that building necessarily wanted him
Speaker 6: out of there. And one last point, when it comes
Speaker 6: to Trey having the same expectations for him are the same.
Speaker 6: I guess playing field for her going into twenty twenty
Speaker 6: four as you did for Dad going into twenty sixteen.
Speaker 6: The only difference is Trey Lance we have seen what
Speaker 6: he's put on an NFL preseason field before, at least
Speaker 6: granted a year of development under the system. Who knows
Speaker 6: if it works out. As to John's point, it hasn't
Speaker 6: really been proven to work in the past, but we'll see.
Speaker 6: I think I think there's a little bit that you
Speaker 6: have to put a caveat on that with.
Speaker 7: Because that was Dak's first NFL action period.
Speaker 6: Like, before that preseason game, the only thing that we
Speaker 6: had seen in Auxnard was Showers. What's What's what's Jamil
Speaker 6: Showers looking like? He was better than Deak. So I mean,
Speaker 6: I think once we do see it on the preseason field, yes,
Speaker 6: but you have to also factor it in with what
Speaker 6: he's put on.
Speaker 1: I mean, with how little they've done this offseason and
Speaker 1: obviously high draft picks being offensive lineman. You know, it's
Speaker 1: hard to really get a big, great read on that.
Speaker 1: Nobody is a bigger fan than me of watching Trey
Speaker 1: Lance in training game. It's one of, if not the
Speaker 1: most exciting things that we will have to look forward to,
Speaker 1: just because we don't really know what is he going
Speaker 1: to look like here. I mean, we can watch him
Speaker 1: out there in that first whatever twenty minutes before practice starts,
Speaker 1: that we see him thrown around during the season, but
Speaker 1: to actually see him there and actually see ones of me, Yeah,
Speaker 1: because this is this is just my prediction. What I
Speaker 1: think is going to happen with him is I think
Speaker 1: that there's gonna be some wild plays, But then I
Speaker 1: think that there's gonna be some like I don't know,
Speaker 1: Like the consistency is an there all the time. And
Speaker 1: that's what I really want to see during the preseason
Speaker 1: is let him go. Because here's the air thing. Like
Speaker 1: Dack's not gonna play in the preseason. They know what
Speaker 1: they have in Cooper Rush. There's gonna be so many
Speaker 1: opportunities for him to play in the preseason, and it
Speaker 1: will be interesting to see what he does with those
Speaker 1: opportunities because he can do things with his legs. You know,
Speaker 1: he is a young guy. He knows that he's trying
Speaker 1: to put this is a great opportunity for him to
Speaker 1: make himself a lot of money. He's about to become
Speaker 1: a free agent. He's going to be trying to ball
Speaker 1: out at the highest level like he he is. I'm
Speaker 1: very excited.
Speaker 3: His back is against the wall.
Speaker 7: I mean, yeah, you could say that he's going to
Speaker 7: the last year of his cards.
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Speaker 4: All right, boys, So last week we didn't really get
Speaker 4: into the later round picks, and I kind of wanted
Speaker 4: to do that with our scout expert here. Please expert,
Speaker 4: not that you haven't talked about these players enough, but
Speaker 4: I really wanted to get into like the later round
Speaker 4: picks more so Carson Floorinoy and Rogers. So did you
Speaker 4: have any insight you wanted to give.
Speaker 6: Us here and Talking cow Well, I'm working on a
Speaker 6: series right now on Dallas Cowboys dot com where I've
Speaker 6: been reaching out to the college position coaches of all
Speaker 6: of these draft picks. I've gotten six of the eight
Speaker 6: so far, and I'm kind of working those out throughout
Speaker 6: the week. So yesterday was Cooper bb go back on
Speaker 6: shouts of that article. By the way, go check that out.
Speaker 6: Thank you, Yeah, you checked that out. There was some
Speaker 6: really good insight on Cooper Bby, and I'll start with there,
Speaker 6: even though that is not what you asked me about.
Speaker 6: He was recruited to play defensive line initially at Kansas State,
Speaker 6: and because of COVID and transfer portal and they were
Speaker 6: flipping a new era at Kansas State with a different
Speaker 6: coaching staff, he had to slide in and play a
Speaker 6: lot of offensive line his freshman year and they are like, hey,
Speaker 6: you're pretty good at this, and so they just kept
Speaker 6: sliding them in and sliding them in. There's some really
Speaker 6: good stuff in there. Go go through that article if
Speaker 6: if you'll have the interest. But as I've been talking
Speaker 6: to these six of the eight so far, I'm still
Speaker 6: waiting on to Notre Dame in southeas Missouri State and
Speaker 6: come through for me.
Speaker 3: I'm still waiting put it out there.
Speaker 6: Yeah, but I've talked with a position coach for Kayln Carson,
Speaker 6: position coach for Nathan Thomas offensive lineman Louisiana Lafayette, and
Speaker 6: then position coach for Justin Rodgers. And I think what
Speaker 6: I've kind of pulled away from these three guys, and
Speaker 6: it's something you can kind of pull away from the
Speaker 6: entire draft classes. All of these guys had to earn
Speaker 6: it in some way, shape or form. And not to
Speaker 6: say that you don't have to earn it at the
Speaker 6: college level to get to the NFL. Yes, you're gonna
Speaker 6: have to grind at some point and you're gonna have
Speaker 6: to earn your keep one thousand percent. You don't get
Speaker 6: drafted by not, you know, caring for it or trying
Speaker 6: to earn it. But you look at Ryan Florinoyd for example,
Speaker 6: having to go to D two, then having to go
Speaker 6: to Juco, and then having to bounce back and go
Speaker 6: to an FCS program and come out of an FCS
Speaker 6: program to not only be a draft prospect, but then
Speaker 6: to get drafted.
Speaker 7: You could look at Nathan Thomas.
Speaker 6: He was a guy that came in and he was
Speaker 6: primarily from a wing ta high school, had played tight end,
Speaker 6: so he's basically an extension of the offensive tackle position
Speaker 6: in high school, but had nothing coming out of high school.
Speaker 6: So he stayed home, went to Lafayette and blossom there
Speaker 6: as an offensive tackle prospect with these really great run
Speaker 6: blocking attributes.
Speaker 7: You look at Justin Rodgers.
Speaker 6: Granted he was bouncing back from Kentucky whenever he hit
Speaker 6: the portal, but whenever he got to Auburn, they were
Speaker 6: still making him earn his spot on the field and
Speaker 6: he was able to do that. He's got that three
Speaker 6: hundred and twenty five pound frame that was able to
Speaker 6: really help them in the run game, and he had
Speaker 6: to work to be able to get onto the field,
Speaker 6: and going into last season, he wasn't necessarily the starter.
Speaker 6: So you look at all of these guys and there's
Speaker 6: a little bit of a blue collar mentality with him,
Speaker 6: and it was something that I kind of took away
Speaker 6: from the first couple of days of the draft class too.
Speaker 6: Tyler Geyton, you know, he had to earn his spot
Speaker 6: on the offensive line in general whenever he got to Oklahoma,
Speaker 6: and then to start at tackle last year, he had
Speaker 6: to earn that. You look in the second round, that's
Speaker 6: another small school guy in Marshawn Neeland from Western Michigan.
Speaker 6: You got to be able to earn getting to the
Speaker 6: second round as as a group of five prospects from
Speaker 6: Western Michigan. And I've talked about Cooper Beebe and you
Speaker 6: can look at Maris Luafoul as well. But I think
Speaker 6: that's kind of something that's kind of stood out. I
Speaker 6: think these later round picks kind of mirror what they
Speaker 6: were probably looking for in the front round picks too.
Speaker 6: And sure, let's compare that to past draft classes, where
Speaker 6: there's some other guys that have come into this program
Speaker 6: that have potentially needed to quote unquote earn it. Yeah,
Speaker 6: look at Tyler Smith, look at de Ron Bland, quote
Speaker 6: anybody else and so forth, So Jake Ferguson. So I
Speaker 6: think it might have been a little bit of an
Speaker 6: approach that this this scouting department took going into this
Speaker 6: draft cycle just to be able to come away with
Speaker 6: some high character guys a but also some guys that
Speaker 6: will be able to work for what they what they
Speaker 6: want to do.
Speaker 3: On the field.
Speaker 1: Rogers intrigues me because he's their last pick, seventh rounder,
Speaker 1: but he's to me if I find him, I'm thrilled
Speaker 1: because of all those guys they took on that final day,
Speaker 1: he's got the best chance to come in and get
Speaker 1: an opportunity just because they don't have much depth at
Speaker 1: all defensive tackle. So uh for being a guy it's
Speaker 1: a seventh round pick. If I was him, man, I'd
Speaker 1: be thrilled about this opportunity because he could get he
Speaker 1: could get some decent snaps week one immediately. As long
Speaker 1: as he shows that, you know, we can go out
Speaker 1: there and uh be somewhat effective.
Speaker 7: I mean, damn think about it.
Speaker 6: I mean the only other one tech quote unquote on
Speaker 6: the roster is Mazzie Smith, who's going through offseason shoulder issues.
Speaker 6: I mean, you got Carl Davis too, but I don't
Speaker 6: think you're you're feeling comfortable about starting Carl Davis unless
Speaker 6: we want to flush back to Miami last year.
Speaker 1: But no d tackle is very much like running back
Speaker 1: to me where it would not surprise me if a
Speaker 1: move is made, whether it's when we're out an Oxnard
Speaker 1: or after teams cut down to fifty three, just because
Speaker 1: I think they need they need another veteran in that
Speaker 1: defensive tackle crew there, because I do believe that they'll
Speaker 1: keep four. That's usually what you know for defensive tackles,
Speaker 1: and and so I don't I don't. I don't feel
Speaker 1: like they're finished there.
Speaker 7: Yeah, what position do they pull from the UFL this year?
Speaker 3: Running back?
Speaker 5: It's going to be somebody somebody, Yeah, two for two there.
Speaker 4: Yeah, looking at the BattleHawks there, that'd be great.
Speaker 3: All right.
Speaker 4: So another question that we had more so in the
Speaker 4: mail bag the undrafted free agents. I know that's a
Speaker 4: pool that you've been looking at really heavily into. Are
Speaker 4: there any of them that stick out that intrigue you?
Speaker 4: From the undrafted free agents that we signed?
Speaker 3: Do you all have any before I before I started.
Speaker 1: Any any so I just rode for this morning. I
Speaker 1: ranked them all. Okay, it's least likely to make the team.
Speaker 6: So could I say who my number one is? Before
Speaker 6: you say what your number one is? I think my
Speaker 6: number one is a Moni Johnson from what will you.
Speaker 7: Say make the team? Do you mean fifty three?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 6: Okay, then I probably have a different answer. But I
Speaker 6: think as far as making potentially a practice squad or
Speaker 6: the fifty three a Money Johnson out of Nevada one
Speaker 6: hundred tackles last year, Big Long got the crazy length
Speaker 6: that works in the past game across the middle of
Speaker 6: the field, but probably a strong safety at the next
Speaker 6: level because he steps up in the run game and
Speaker 6: provides so much help in front of him.
Speaker 7: I think he's going to be a really fun addition
Speaker 7: to that safety room.
Speaker 1: I'd love to hear the phone call that they made
Speaker 1: Brevin span Ford the tight end out of Minnesota. He's
Speaker 1: clearly the best player, like in terms of ranking wise,
Speaker 1: and for them to convince him to come here when
Speaker 1: the tight end room already looks like it's it's pretty solid,
Speaker 1: I'm very interested to hear what they told him. I
Speaker 1: think he's he's got a decent chance of maybe filling
Speaker 1: that Sean McCune roll or something like that, you know,
Speaker 1: but it depends on what you get from John Stevens Junior. Obviously,
Speaker 1: Peyton Hendershot. I think Luke spoon Maker is obviously on
Speaker 1: the team. He's the second round pick. They're not going
Speaker 1: to be moving on from him, you know. So outside
Speaker 1: of Jake Ferguson, what is there a tight end? And now,
Speaker 1: of those twelve guys, two of the players they brought
Speaker 1: in were both tight ends, which kind of surprised me.
Speaker 4: But is that more of a special teams sort of
Speaker 4: situation that it could be.
Speaker 1: But I always look at when they cut down to
Speaker 1: fifty three, you're not keeping six tight ends. You're probably
Speaker 1: not keep more than four, you know. So that's that's
Speaker 1: that was really interesting to me.
Speaker 5: So also has an amazing track record for developing tight ends.
Speaker 5: So they they're going to keep feeding him with the opportunities.
Speaker 3: Yeah, if he likes a guy, yeah problem.
Speaker 1: I had a big drop off of my top four.
Speaker 1: So next I had Jason Johnson, the linebacker out of UCF,
Speaker 1: just because he was a tackling machine for a couple
Speaker 1: of years. You know, over one hundred tackles, guy, and
Speaker 1: to your point, that is special teams all day long.
Speaker 1: So that one made a lot of sense to me.
Speaker 1: Plus it I think they're gonna go deeper at linebacker.
Speaker 1: I think they keep six linebackers as the post of
Speaker 1: five in years past. So and then the next is
Speaker 1: just because of what we were talking about, the Denzel Dackson,
Speaker 1: just because he's a defensive tackle at Illinois. They need
Speaker 1: defensive tackle help. He had to be the easiest sell
Speaker 1: when they got on the phone whatever it was, sixth
Speaker 1: seventh round, like no, no, no, no, yeah, you want
Speaker 1: you want to be here? So he was the next.
Speaker 6: Quick note about Denzel DACKX And he's a native of
Speaker 6: the of the Bahamas. He didn't move to the US
Speaker 6: until he was sixteen, didn't start playing football until the
Speaker 6: senior year of high school, ended up landing at the
Speaker 6: University of Illinois and was a really good run defender
Speaker 6: for them last year. And if you look in their
Speaker 6: draft class, they had a three tech that went in
Speaker 6: the second round of the Commanders that probably could have
Speaker 6: gone in the first round. So those two guys were
Speaker 6: minaces in the middle of that defensive line for Illinois
Speaker 6: last year.
Speaker 1: And so my top group that clearly stands out to me,
Speaker 1: So it's those three, and then my fourth would be
Speaker 1: Nathaniel Pete, the running back out of Missouri, because he's
Speaker 1: the only running back that they that they brought in.
Speaker 1: So that, again I think would be an easy call.
Speaker 1: Like to a young running back that didn't get drafted,
Speaker 1: probably is upset thought that they should have been drafted,
Speaker 1: Like no, no, you got a chance you could make
Speaker 1: this team in a variety of roles. The only thing
Speaker 1: I didn't like about him is he just doesn't have
Speaker 1: great numbers, like you know, like three three fifty rushing
Speaker 1: guards in a season, four hundred yards in a season tops,
Speaker 1: Like he hasn't had like a real big He's not
Speaker 1: like the you know, nine hundred thousand yard back that
Speaker 1: some of these other guys were that were probably draftable,
Speaker 1: and then it drops off for me because of the
Speaker 1: next guy had was Byron Vaughn's the DNA of Baylor,
Speaker 1: just because I don't think they really need to And
Speaker 1: one of.
Speaker 4: The attributes about Pete that you think kind of brings
Speaker 4: him here to Dallas, like, what do you think they're
Speaker 4: looking at?
Speaker 1: Of course, yeah, juice.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think they're just looking for a guy that
Speaker 6: could potentially bring some juice to that room. And they
Speaker 6: were like, Okay, that guy's been a big play machine
Speaker 6: in the past, and.
Speaker 7: He's worked in the return game a little bit.
Speaker 6: He was more of a complimentary or he was the
Speaker 6: complimentary back at Missouri, but I think maybe using him
Speaker 6: in some situational receiving situations in the preseason kind of
Speaker 6: see what he could bring to the NFL field. I
Speaker 6: feel like it was just Hey, we need a running back.
Speaker 6: That guy still on the board, let's grab him. I
Speaker 6: think it was one of those situations more so.
Speaker 1: Like Vaughan's from Baylor, intrigues me about like just where
Speaker 1: he was ranked of the players that were left. But
Speaker 1: when I look at edge rushers on this team, I
Speaker 1: don't know how guys are gonna make it outside of
Speaker 1: the you know, coming in late like that, because it
Speaker 1: seems pretty cut and dry. Again, how many edg rushers
Speaker 1: are you keeping? Five or six? And it's like, so
Speaker 1: you already have Micah Parsons to Marcus Lawrence, you just
Speaker 1: drafted Marshawn Neelan, you got Sam Williams, So that to
Speaker 1: me is the top of the depth chart. So then
Speaker 1: the next two you're gonna be fighting against Villiami Fajoco,
Speaker 1: Chauncey Golstin. I don't know. I mean, there's probably a
Speaker 1: few others in there. I mean, I'm not saying it's impossible,
Speaker 1: but it just seems like that that crew might be
Speaker 1: pretty set.
Speaker 6: I mean, yeah, we saw it last year with Isaiah Land. Yeah, gosh,
Speaker 6: you would have thought that the Cowboys dropped ceedee lamb.
Speaker 6: Whenever they cut the fans.
Speaker 3: Lost their mind in the preseason.
Speaker 7: He did, he did.
Speaker 6: He had a sack last year for the Colts, but
Speaker 6: he only played like ten snaps, And it's like, why
Speaker 6: are we freaking out about a guy who's only gonna
Speaker 6: play ten snaps?
Speaker 4: Yeah, either here, people just fall in love with certain players.
Speaker 7: I would have been the same way if they had
Speaker 7: dropped Flip Key.
Speaker 1: So, like I understand as.
Speaker 6: The number one guy that potentially make the team, Gosh,
Speaker 6: I would probably go. I would probably go Daxon and
Speaker 6: then span Ford just because again that one tech conversation
Speaker 6: that we just had. But then span Ford I think
Speaker 6: he was I had him as the second best run
Speaker 6: blocking tight end in this draft class. I think he's
Speaker 6: got a really good feel for that and he's a
Speaker 6: red zone threat to He's gonna be a big time
Speaker 6: red zone option for Trey Lance in the in the preseason,
Speaker 6: so I think they'll see a little bit of that,
Speaker 6: and then they're gonna look at Peyton Hendershot and kind
Speaker 6: of look at what he brings versus John Stevens Junior,
Speaker 6: which both are receiving type tight ends, and I think
Speaker 6: that's where the decision comes to plays either John Stevens
Speaker 6: Junior or Peyton Hendershot. But that's just me theorizing four
Speaker 6: months out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this was way harder to do this year than
Speaker 1: last Last year. It was so easy to have. Like
Speaker 1: my number one by far was TJ Bass just because
Speaker 1: he was a draftable guy and it was clearly they
Speaker 1: needed help on the interior. The offensive line, like he's
Speaker 1: again another one that that call had to be so easy,
Speaker 1: like you know, you can come in right away, you
Speaker 1: got a good chance to make this roster, you'll probably
Speaker 1: even play as a rookie, and if you're an undrafted
Speaker 1: guy getting that opportunity, I'm sure that that was probably
Speaker 1: an easy person to convince. But one point on that
Speaker 1: when the draft ended, Stephen Jones did say they had
Speaker 1: ten guys, well he's had a round ten guys left,
Speaker 1: so we'll say nine or ten that were on their
Speaker 1: board still that they were going to try and sign
Speaker 1: as undrafted rookie free agents. And so a group of
Speaker 1: us I think you were on the call last week.
Speaker 1: We got a chance to talk to Will McClay last
Speaker 1: Wednesday on a conference call with Beat writers and he
Speaker 1: said that they were able to sign I think he
Speaker 1: said about half, So I'm thinking four or five of
Speaker 1: those guys. So there were probably four or five guys
Speaker 1: that they really that they probably wanted that were on
Speaker 1: their draft board that and elsewhere.
Speaker 6: But at least one of them is John Trey Hunter
Speaker 6: or the linebacker from Georgia State that went to the Patriots.
Speaker 6: Those are back and forth there with him, but he
Speaker 6: decided to go to New England instead.
Speaker 4: Well, I did have a question more so far, Isaiah.
Speaker 4: I know you had to explain basically the new kickoff
Speaker 4: rules to the XFL whenever that started to happen with them,
Speaker 4: whenever the XFL is basically kicked off.
Speaker 3: And now that we're implementing new.
Speaker 4: Kickoff rules here, does the personnel on special teams change?
Speaker 3: Yes, okay, drastically in what ways?
Speaker 5: You're gonna have a lot more tight end slash linebacker
Speaker 5: DN type guys out there simply because of the fact
Speaker 5: you're standing five yards away from your opponent and once
Speaker 5: that receiver and once that returner touches the ball, you're
Speaker 5: now engaging five yards apart. There is no longer a
Speaker 5: speed element on the coverage side of it. Now you
Speaker 5: need size, and you need size to be able to
Speaker 5: move guys in the direction in which you want to
Speaker 5: move them. So you know you're looking at more, you know,
Speaker 5: two hundred and fifty pound range guys that are gonna
Speaker 5: beneficial to you because you can actually drop your butt,
Speaker 5: get leveraged, you know, and shift guys to one side
Speaker 5: and then let your let your returner do the work.
Speaker 3: Maybe another reason why the tight end room is kind
Speaker 3: of filling up there a little thicker.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, the more the more you can do
Speaker 5: in that regard the now less d defensive backs. Typically
Speaker 5: you get a lot of defensive backs when it comes
Speaker 5: down to special teams in terms of your coverage anywhere,
Speaker 5: you're ranging guys anywhere from what we call each side
Speaker 5: of the kicker, you know, so you start L on
Speaker 5: the left side, it starts with L five on the
Speaker 5: right stars sorry, R five, and then it goes all
Speaker 5: the way out.
Speaker 3: Usually the guys that are.
Speaker 5: More internal there are five to you know, R five,
Speaker 5: L four L five L four R four. Those guys
Speaker 5: usually your penetrators what we call them. Those are the
Speaker 5: guys that are usually running down the field and being
Speaker 5: physical and hitting the wedge or whatever it might be.
Speaker 5: Now that's not gonna be the case. Now you're looking
Speaker 5: at more physical all the way across the board, and
Speaker 5: you might have a handful of defensive backs that are
Speaker 5: sitting on the outside just in case they have to
Speaker 5: run somebody down. But you're gonna have a lot larger
Speaker 5: guys now. So linebackers, DNS, tight ends, those guys are
Speaker 5: gonna be valued much more in that regard of the game,
Speaker 5: more Sam Williams specialty more.
Speaker 1: So, you think it'll be more of those guys and
Speaker 1: then less of corners and possibly like fifth six receivers.
Speaker 5: So it's gonna be harder for those guys to make
Speaker 5: rosters interesting. Now we're talking about one part of the
Speaker 5: special teams. Yeah, we're just talking about kickoff, right, So
Speaker 5: that's not gonna it's not gonna completely change how how
Speaker 5: the guys.
Speaker 3: Are selected out there on kickoffs. Then Justin Fields can
Speaker 3: definitely be out there as a returner.
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's what the Steelers are talking about.
Speaker 3: That's definitely out there. I mean you talk I was.
Speaker 5: I came in and it was a returner for the Cowboys.
Speaker 5: I hadn't done returning my whole life. I played quarterback
Speaker 5: my whole life, and then first opportunity I get in
Speaker 5: the league is as a return man. So if you can,
Speaker 5: if you can use your legs and make plays and
Speaker 5: have the threat of being able to throw it, that's
Speaker 5: always that's always.
Speaker 4: Something I think as far as literals go, I think
Speaker 4: that's going to change.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean you might get one of those a
Speaker 5: year two at most, So I mean that's always always a.
Speaker 4: Threat, but especially always looking for a way to make
Speaker 4: those plays.
Speaker 5: Absolutely man, But it's all about who can make one
Speaker 5: guy miss, because that's all this is. This return game
Speaker 5: is all gonna be by I'm making one guy miss
Speaker 5: if everybody, If if nine of my ten guys that
Speaker 5: are blocking for me do their job, I'm just if
Speaker 5: I go on my blocking assignments and my return man
Speaker 5: could make one man miss. We're in business too, just
Speaker 5: because it's so different. It's going to be a change
Speaker 5: from how boring things we're getting. And also just because
Speaker 5: of like I'm not even thinking of really kick off
Speaker 5: or the game starting. I'm thinking late in games, like
Speaker 5: when you mentioned the fields thing. I'm thinking like situations
Speaker 5: bringing in a player that you're like, wow, I can't
Speaker 5: believe it now.
Speaker 1: I don't know that that'll happen necessarily that much with
Speaker 1: the Cowboys, just because if Cavante Turpin's healthy, I think
Speaker 1: they really like him, you know, being a guy with
Speaker 1: the ball in hand. But maybe a CD Lamb or
Speaker 1: something like that that in a certain situation where you're
Speaker 1: like we need this, yeah, you know, like and not
Speaker 1: just the Cowboys, I mean any team where like a
Speaker 1: team you're preparing for. You're just like, well, you know what,
Speaker 1: we better prepare for this guy potentially being back there.
Speaker 1: I know he hasn't typically done it, but late in
Speaker 1: the game if they really need a big play, you know,
Speaker 1: it's like a minute to go or two minutes ago
Speaker 1: in a game or something like that. There could some
Speaker 1: opportunities for some players that you typically don't see back there,
Speaker 1: you know, returning.
Speaker 5: Yeah, the return I'm less intrigued about who the returners
Speaker 5: would be. I'm more intrigued about who are going to
Speaker 5: be the blockers. I'm really interested in who what teams
Speaker 5: are going to put out there in terms of personnel,
Speaker 5: because you're gonna need big, physical guys. Yeah, you're you're
Speaker 5: five years away from me. I mean we're engaging almost immediately. Yeah, right,
Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying, You're gonna make the first move,
Speaker 5: and I'm reacting off of you. I have a direction
Speaker 5: in which I want to block you. If I'm more
Speaker 5: physically imposing than you are, chances are if I have
Speaker 5: their proper leverage, I'm going to win. So if i'm
Speaker 5: too sixty and you're two forty.
Speaker 1: And the other factor, all this too, just from having
Speaker 1: covered several different you know, special teams coordinators. You got
Speaker 1: a wild one here, like you got one that will
Speaker 1: try wild things and you know, sometimes it works, sometimes
Speaker 1: it doesn't. But you know, John Fossil is not shy
Speaker 1: about doing things that are outside the box to try
Speaker 1: and find a way that something can work. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's the reason he's been doing this.
Speaker 5: This is the this is the guy you want to
Speaker 5: play for when when this rule gets instilled. This is
Speaker 5: exactly where you want to be as a team for sure.
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Speaker 4: We wanted to get into some fan questions. We got
Speaker 4: the text line open again. The number is eight one
Speaker 4: to seven two nine zero three two nine eight. One
Speaker 4: of the questions we received didn't get a name, didn't get.
Speaker 3: A area code? What four to three four?
Speaker 4: But if you don't win a game or win twelve,
Speaker 4: I feel it was a fair Wait, so if you
Speaker 4: don't win a game or if you win twelve, I
Speaker 4: feel it was a failure and could care less QB
Speaker 4: not getting us to promise Land and he has talent
Speaker 4: to put with him.
Speaker 7: It's just a statement, just one of those I guess.
Speaker 6: I guess not necessarily a question four to three four
Speaker 6: coming from Central Virginia, So super Bowl US probably.
Speaker 1: I will say for anybody that you know that, I
Speaker 1: think that there's a lot of people when it comes
Speaker 1: to sports, when their team is kind of where let's
Speaker 1: say the Cowboys are right now, where you kind of
Speaker 1: feel like you're kind of stuck in the middle and
Speaker 1: you need to make, yeah, make something, to make a move,
Speaker 1: I think that a lot of people will be like, well,
Speaker 1: just be bad for one year. I mean, you get
Speaker 1: the high draft pick or whatever like that. This team,
Speaker 1: this team has got too much talent for it ever
Speaker 1: be one of those bottom two or three teams. It
Speaker 1: just it won't be on that level. So you're not
Speaker 1: gonna be like, if they have a really bad year,
Speaker 1: it will look like twenty twenty. And even then you
Speaker 1: got I think they had a tenth pick before they
Speaker 1: traded back to twelve and they took Micah that year.
Speaker 1: So I mean, I guess, I guess you could have
Speaker 1: that year where you're like twenty fifteen where they were
Speaker 1: really bad when Romo got hurt, and then I'm getting
Speaker 1: that fourth pick when they got Zeke. But this is,
Speaker 1: you know, it's just not like the NBA, where hey,
Speaker 1: if you're just kind of in there, it comes down
Speaker 1: to a lottery. Maybe you get the one or maybe
Speaker 1: you get the two pick, and you didn't really desert, Like,
Speaker 1: I just don't see. I think there's too much talent
Speaker 1: on this team for it to draft really any lower
Speaker 1: than maybe eight to ten.
Speaker 6: Here's a scenario for you, and it's because there is
Speaker 6: too much talent that has been drafted and developed on
Speaker 6: this team. They are already running into quote unquote Cap
Speaker 6: Hill trying to figure out how to extend Dak Prescott,
Speaker 6: Cite Lamb, Michael Parsons. Once those three get done, then
Speaker 6: you gotta do Tyler Smith to Ron Bland, Jake Ferguson.
Speaker 6: Once those are done, then you gotta I wonder if
Speaker 6: it gets to a point to where they really just
Speaker 6: can't afford to keep all their guys and they look
Speaker 6: at the top of the draft. Hey, we have this
Speaker 6: all pro piece that we can't afford. Let's trade and
Speaker 6: try to get a higher draft pick.
Speaker 1: Demands that they all.
Speaker 4: Have to pay down the road though, I mean that's
Speaker 4: like two three years from now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I just being honest with that scenario. Bring
Speaker 1: that on. That's a great problem, now, Oh yeah, that
Speaker 1: is a great problem to happen because at least you're
Speaker 1: drafting well enough where you feel confident that you'll get
Speaker 1: other players that will have to step up. Because you're
Speaker 1: just talking about right now, what if in another year
Speaker 1: or two you find out that, oh, wow, you know what,
Speaker 1: Tyler Gouydon is gonna be a guy that's gonna be
Speaker 1: here for ten plus years or whatever. They you'll happily
Speaker 1: pay that guy because he's your left tackle. And you're like, wow, hey,
Speaker 1: I can't believe we got him at twenty they moved
Speaker 1: back to nine.
Speaker 3: Twenty nine.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we got him at twenty nine. This guy's performing
Speaker 1: like we would have taken him in the top ten.
Speaker 1: You'd gladly welcome that. Or if Marshawn Neelan, if he
Speaker 1: ends up being another DeMarcus Lawrence you'd want that. That'd
Speaker 1: be great to have, and then you have to make
Speaker 1: those tough decisions. But that that's a great spot to
Speaker 1: be in as far as I'm concerned.
Speaker 4: I got another question here from Morris McCrae from Tacoma, Washington.
Speaker 5: Stinky tanky Town, tac Town, bab ye, excuse me. Let's
Speaker 5: call them stinks as a city, like literally stinks. You
Speaker 5: drive up and you like you hit you in a
Speaker 5: note or a refinery there. I think it's fascinating.
Speaker 4: That's a good question. And granted not putting it out
Speaker 4: there for like, we don't want this to happen. But
Speaker 4: let's just say Decats entered Missus two or three games
Speaker 4: and Trey Lance plays, well, oh here we go and
Speaker 4: gets that opportunity at this position.
Speaker 3: Does Dak get his job back? It depends on how
Speaker 3: great he's playing.
Speaker 6: Yes, he gets his job back. He could throw for
Speaker 6: four hundred yards every game. He's getting his job back.
Speaker 6: There's there's nothing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm the wrong person.
Speaker 3: Part of the year. Good question. There's a lot of
Speaker 3: variables there.
Speaker 7: I'm the wrong persons.
Speaker 4: Let's say it's late in the year.
Speaker 5: Right in the year, right before playoffs and comes out
Speaker 5: and you just he's bawling Trey Lancers like absolutely serviceable.
Speaker 3: Let's say it serviceable. What's the injury. There's a lot
Speaker 3: of variables, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: There's a lot of It's easy to say no, Dak
Speaker 5: gets his job back, but there's a lot of variables there.
Speaker 7: There's a scenario where keeps the job.
Speaker 1: I think, no question there is.
Speaker 7: I think there's eighty percent of the scenarios right.
Speaker 3: And I don't disagree with you. I would have said
Speaker 3: that about somebody else. I'm just saying that took us fun.
Speaker 1: So that's what I was, That's what I was getting
Speaker 1: to do.
Speaker 3: You will not.
Speaker 1: There is nothing I hate when people don't admit when
Speaker 1: they're wrong on, like especially in sports, and takes something.
Speaker 1: There's nothing since I've covered the team I've been more
Speaker 1: wrong on than Romo not getting his job back. Now
Speaker 1: and I'm talking like, as they were winning throughout, I
Speaker 1: was like, it doesn't matter, and there's several reasons for this,
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff behind the scenes, the coaching staff
Speaker 1: at that time, things like that where I was like, nah,
Speaker 1: Rumbo's getting this thing back. I guarantee you if he's
Speaker 1: healthy he's getting this thing back, and when he didn't,
Speaker 1: I was like, man, I I can't believe that they
Speaker 1: did that. That's wild like that that really surprised me.
Speaker 1: I do think it was the right move obviously going forward,
Speaker 1: but when that happened, I was like, that just shows you,
Speaker 1: man that in this business, like really anything is possible,
Speaker 1: that you you can't really rule anything out. I do
Speaker 1: think it's highly unlikely that scenario right there, that they
Speaker 1: would do that, But you can't sit there and say
Speaker 1: any of them. It's like, no, no, no, that would never
Speaker 1: happen at all.
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