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Speaker 1: Beating the Book Podcast Hill Alexander. If there was ever
Speaker 1: a time in our head story to get distracted with stories,
Speaker 1: this would be it. Classic Story Times from Chris Andrews.
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Speaker 1: of make this week something that we could sort of
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Speaker 1: have for those who listened to the Beating the Book
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Speaker 1: It's my missh Booka. The director of the South Point
Speaker 1: Hotel Casino, Chrissie Andrews. Good morning to you, Chris. How
Speaker 1: you doing I'm doing good, Yo. How are you holding up?
Speaker 1: I'm doing very well. Let's let's start there before we
Speaker 1: get into because all we're gonna do today is tell stories.
Speaker 1: It's two hours of storytime classics from you. So we're
Speaker 1: happy to have you do that and thank you for
Speaker 1: doing that. But you finally left the casino. They finally
Speaker 1: kicked you out. Uh. Michael Gone told me he does
Speaker 1: not want me to leave in the house or he's
Speaker 1: gonna fire. So I can't. I can't afford to lose
Speaker 1: these jobs. I'm listening to Michael Gone, and why do
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Yeah? Why why did it
Speaker 1: take that for you to leave? Like? Why are you
Speaker 1: that stubborn? You know? I didn't mean to be you know,
Speaker 1: but I mean I wanted to I wanted to number one,
Speaker 1: do my job properly. I went in and thankfully I
Speaker 1: had a few of the people down there who really
Speaker 1: wiped everything down for me. And I get my social
Speaker 1: distancing and all that, um, but you know, casinos are
Speaker 1: probably gonna have some of this. And if you know,
Speaker 1: the governor didn't do what he did, you know, and
Speaker 1: I don't think we wanted that hanging over our heads.
Speaker 1: But you know, I wanted to be fair to Michael,
Speaker 1: fair to all my employees and you know, but of
Speaker 1: course fair to myself. And and healthy and all that.
Speaker 1: But you know, I mean something. Listen, if you know
Speaker 1: how I got sticked in the first place, I was
Speaker 1: very stubborn before I went to go see a doctor too,
Speaker 1: so it probably fits in with my personality. Come up. Yeah,
Speaker 1: obviously I bring that up because underlying conditions are something
Speaker 1: you know very well. So we we just want you
Speaker 1: to be healthy. So you should have been the first
Speaker 1: one out, is all we're saying. Thankfully, you're you're okay.
Speaker 1: Obviously there's a very surreal time for everybody. It's like
Speaker 1: living in a sci fi movie. So to the extent
Speaker 1: that we can make this uh normal and get people
Speaker 1: distracted from it, I think we'll have done our job today.
Speaker 1: We attempt to do just that. Chris, see, you got
Speaker 1: stories lined up? You're ready to do this? Yeah? I do? Yeah?
Speaker 1: All right, do I do? I do the official because
Speaker 1: I don't have the I don't have the girl talking,
Speaker 1: so I have to do it myself. Everybody, Okay, it's
Speaker 1: story time. You're on what you got? This is this
Speaker 1: is it? This is the one that started off the book. Right.
Speaker 1: First of all, we should say all of these are
Speaker 1: in your book called Then One Day, which is available everywhere. Yes. Actually,
Speaker 1: if you are not in the book, they're going to
Speaker 1: be in my next book. So you know, little tease,
Speaker 1: little tea. But most of them are in the book.
Speaker 1: I'm looking at my little schedule here, and there's two
Speaker 1: that are not in the book, but they'll be in
Speaker 1: the next one. And this one's in the book. And
Speaker 1: this one started out the book. This was in I
Speaker 1: was seventeen years old, so three. And my uncle Jack,
Speaker 1: who again is featured prominently in the book, he would
Speaker 1: buy a Cadillac every year, usually from my cousin in
Speaker 1: Pittsburgh who was in the car business. I would get
Speaker 1: a used Cadillac, a one year old Cadillac. There's a
Speaker 1: lot of you know, and kids today don't understand, like
Speaker 1: having a Cadillac. A new Cadillac was probably the prestige
Speaker 1: thing that that uh, that somebody with money could do
Speaker 1: every year. And guys with new Cadillacs were looked upon.
Speaker 1: Is you know, hey, man, this is the guy that's
Speaker 1: made it. Uh. But a lot of those guys were
Speaker 1: corporate guys and they would trade them in after one
Speaker 1: year and the corporation would just buy him another Cadillac. Well,
Speaker 1: what happens. You know, if anybody's bought a new car
Speaker 1: versus an old car. You know, a year old car
Speaker 1: is still a great car, but it costs probably you know,
Speaker 1: six with the new car cost. Maybe. So my uncle
Speaker 1: Jack would have my cousin Jimmy looking for cars like
Speaker 1: that that we're pretty much cherries, and he would buy
Speaker 1: one and somehow get it out to Vegas while was
Speaker 1: seventeen years old at the time. And uh, and I
Speaker 1: look back, I can't believe Uncle Jack let me drive
Speaker 1: this car that he had just bought in in Las
Speaker 1: Vesar in Pittsburgh to Las Vegas, you know. But me
Speaker 1: and his son Zack, and we're the same age. We
Speaker 1: got the car and you know, we drove out to
Speaker 1: Las Vegas. But but before we get some stairs from
Speaker 1: people that here's these two seventy seventeen year old kids,
Speaker 1: you know, in a white El Dorado, you know, a
Speaker 1: year old at white El Dorado. And who knows what
Speaker 1: they fought? I mean, God only knows. Um. And we
Speaker 1: get to Las Vegas and uh, Uncle Jack of course
Speaker 1: takes the car he had sold his the other one
Speaker 1: probably like the day we got there, and uh, we
Speaker 1: didn't have a car Me and Zack to seventeen year
Speaker 1: old kids. Now again, Vegas was a lot different back then.
Speaker 1: We lived about maybe two blocks from the strip. Michael
Speaker 1: Jack had some pretty good juice over at the Sands.
Speaker 1: We had a swimming pool in our apartment complex, but
Speaker 1: sometimes we walked over to the Sands, which is where
Speaker 1: the Venetian is. Right now, we've walked over there. We
Speaker 1: could use their pool. Uh, you know, so what life
Speaker 1: wasn't bad. But of course he had a seventeen year
Speaker 1: old kids. Of course you'd like to have a car.
Speaker 1: Uh So Uncael Jack and Sonny Vicario Jimmy's brother. But
Speaker 1: Sonny of course now is world famous as uh mostly
Speaker 1: through basketball and tennis shoes and that sort of thing. Anyway,
Speaker 1: Sonny was living in Las Vegas just kind of get
Speaker 1: a foothold as a as an as an agent, as
Speaker 1: a player's agent at the time, and so Sunny Sonny
Speaker 1: called us up. And by the way, just a little
Speaker 1: backstory at work, Zack and I both worked for Sonny
Speaker 1: as ball boys at the Roundball volunteer work of course,
Speaker 1: but we worked as ball boys for the Roundball Classic,
Speaker 1: which was Sonny's all star game, which was the Sylvania
Speaker 1: All All Stars versus the US All Stars. So we
Speaker 1: knew Sonny really well. And uh and I always here everybody.
Speaker 1: I knew Sonny and Jimmy from town. I'm twelve years old,
Speaker 1: so we're going on fifty two years now, but I've
Speaker 1: known Sonny and Jimmy Viccarroll. Anyway, Sonny calls, Sunny calls
Speaker 1: one day and I'm in the apartment. I picked up
Speaker 1: the phone. Chrissie. Uh, this is Sunny. Yeah, son what's up?
Speaker 1: Do you Zachie want a car? Uh? Yeah, sure, because okay,
Speaker 1: I'll be over in ten minutes. Okay, son Zacher, we're
Speaker 1: in the We're in the apartment. Wait here comes Tonny.
Speaker 1: We get a knock on the door and uh, today,
Speaker 1: all right, boys, here's your car. It's right out there.
Speaker 1: You know. We see this giant orange UK Electra to
Speaker 1: They don't make these things anyway. I mean it was
Speaker 1: a lot of people what I originally told the story
Speaker 1: of have googled it and sent me pictures of it.
Speaker 1: I can never they've never sent me quite the right color.
Speaker 1: I think it somewhere probably around a Tennessee orange. I
Speaker 1: would say, like really just like almost fluorescent orange and
Speaker 1: you know, it's a it's a huge car. And it
Speaker 1: was a buickx Um challenge to the U Cadillac Fleetwood Brome,
Speaker 1: which was another huge boat, probably the same chassis. Anyway,
Speaker 1: you looked out and I just kind of remember like
Speaker 1: looking at Sunny like you kidding me. It's this giant
Speaker 1: car for me? Is Zach and and he talks with
Speaker 1: me the keys he says, yeah, it's George German's car. Uh.
Speaker 1: George is in Europe for the for the summer, and
Speaker 1: he wanted me to watch it because I really didn't
Speaker 1: have any use for it. So I figured you and
Speaker 1: Zach me a car. I'll let you guys use it
Speaker 1: for a while. Did you could you explain to people,
Speaker 1: Chrissie how big George Gurvan was, by the way, because
Speaker 1: I'm sure that's lost on a general rations. It is.
Speaker 1: And again, if you google the fifty greatest players of
Speaker 1: all time in NBA history, George is one of them.
Speaker 1: And he had the classic commercial which he got known
Speaker 1: for probably about almost as well as his NBA career,
Speaker 1: when it was a bunch of guys talking and George said,
Speaker 1: one thing I can do his finger roll and singer role.
Speaker 1: He go. He put the accent on the role for
Speaker 1: some reasoning role. Yeah, and uh, George was a score.
Speaker 1: He wasn't known much for his defense, but George could
Speaker 1: score um anyway. George and I and George was a
Speaker 1: young player at this time. I think it was either
Speaker 1: a rookie or second year player, but I think a rookie.
Speaker 1: And another quick little aside, I knew a guy and George.
Speaker 1: I think he went to Central Michigan. And I knew
Speaker 1: a guy went to Eastern Michigan. I got a guy
Speaker 1: knew later on in life, really athletic guy Woody. We
Speaker 1: used to call actually had his last name is his
Speaker 1: real name is Larry something, but would call him no no,
Speaker 1: no no. And I knew and Rena and and what
Speaker 1: he was. He was a big, strong kid, you know,
Speaker 1: was about six seven. And he told me, he said,
Speaker 1: you know, he was playing against Gurband and he you know,
Speaker 1: this was like the rival when he wanted to stop George.
Speaker 1: This was like he was psyched for a week. And
Speaker 1: George broke his ankle as a senior in college, but
Speaker 1: he still played. He was hobbling around and you go
Speaker 1: around like two or three picks and get a shot.
Speaker 1: Off and what he was saying, Oh, I was disappointed.
Speaker 1: I wanted to face government at his best and I
Speaker 1: was gonna stop and uh what Yeah, he says, yeah,
Speaker 1: I stopped him at a broken angle. He had thirty
Speaker 1: eight on me. That George was that kind of a
Speaker 1: score and they could do that in the pros because
Speaker 1: George is a hell of a player. Anyway, said Zack,
Speaker 1: And I get this card sending gives a twenty buck
Speaker 1: for gas, and I'm not joking. Gas was about forty
Speaker 1: cents a gallon at that time, but your but sunny
Speaker 1: gave us the twenty bucks. He says. It eats gas
Speaker 1: like crazy. And I don't want you guys reaching in
Speaker 1: your pocket, uh to do it like to take care
Speaker 1: of this car. Okay, So so me and Zach we're
Speaker 1: just driving this car around. I mean, we wouldn't have
Speaker 1: anything to do except drive the car around Las Vegas. Now.
Speaker 1: At the time, the entire valley Henderson, Las Vegas, North,
Speaker 1: Las Vegas, you know, everything add up, everything might have
Speaker 1: been about a hundred and fifty thousand people. What is
Speaker 1: it now about two and a half million, something like
Speaker 1: two and a half million, yea, yeah, yeah, two and
Speaker 1: a half a million, so in a whole different city
Speaker 1: at that point in time. So me and Zach, that
Speaker 1: was just what we would do all that. I mean,
Speaker 1: we had sunny gas money, you know, we didn't you know,
Speaker 1: we didn't have to reach in our pocket. You know,
Speaker 1: Jack gave us some money. We you know, we pulling
Speaker 1: the McDonald's. I don't even think they had drive CRUs
Speaker 1: at the time. You know, we pulling the McDonald's or
Speaker 1: Wendy's was like, you know, a trip for us, or
Speaker 1: you know, we would take it down to the sands.
Speaker 1: Were scrape up a dollar so we can park it
Speaker 1: in the valet, and you know, we were living large. Man,
Speaker 1: this is pretty cool. So after about I said, about
Speaker 1: two or three weeks, we're driving around. Man, we are
Speaker 1: just in Heaven. So I'm sitting at home and I
Speaker 1: get the phone rings. I hear this scratchy voice that
Speaker 1: I somewhat recognize. Uh, are you Jack's kid? Yeah, this
Speaker 1: is Jerry Tarcamian. Then he told me to call you.
Speaker 1: We need the car. Uh. Well, you know, here's the address,
Speaker 1: reads me. The address. Of course, made have Google Maps
Speaker 1: at the time, either, so we had to figure out
Speaker 1: where it goes. Here's the address. I'll see it. Get
Speaker 1: over here as soon as you can. Geez, you know,
Speaker 1: it's okay, all right. So I don't think Jack was
Speaker 1: with me. It was just me. I don't know what
Speaker 1: Jack was doing that game, but anyways, just me. We
Speaker 1: go over and I find Park's house and I go
Speaker 1: in there. There's Tark and Lois is there and about
Speaker 1: five or six very tall gentlemen, you know, but you know,
Speaker 1: only like my age were a little older me. I'm
Speaker 1: seventeen at the time. These guys are like eighteen, nineteen
Speaker 1: twenty maybe, And uh, you know, in the old in
Speaker 1: the old story, I used to name the player, but
Speaker 1: Sunny asked me not to name the player anymore because
Speaker 1: he's actually a guy that was known and had a
Speaker 1: career in the NBA. Is that cost toss him the keys?
Speaker 1: Tossed him the keys, and uh, Sunny looks and and
Speaker 1: Tark looks for me, goes, there's your new car. He
Speaker 1: points the total piece of crap. Honestly, I can't even
Speaker 1: remember what, what time, what make of car maker model.
Speaker 1: This car was like this one of the like a
Speaker 1: keell meat green piece of crap that had stuff falling out.
Speaker 1: You know, and I never like, look at it, Park.
Speaker 1: I'm looking at it, Park, like you gotta be kidding me.
Speaker 1: I'm going from George Gurvan's electra at this And he
Speaker 1: just put his arm on my shoulder. He says, kid,
Speaker 1: you've been driving George Gurvan's car for two or three weeks.
Speaker 1: You've got nothing to complain about. That's right. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: guess I guess Park is right. So you know that
Speaker 1: was I wrote that. And uh, when I was putting
Speaker 1: together the book, the young lady, I'll mention her name,
Speaker 1: Courtney Wells Fustco out of Washington, d C. I've never met.
Speaker 1: We talked on the phone many times, but I centered
Speaker 1: my book and she helped me kind of organized and
Speaker 1: edited a little bit. And she said, you've got to
Speaker 1: start off with that story. And because that's what I
Speaker 1: always said, was like Park Park. One of his expressions
Speaker 1: was he loves transfer because they usually had their own
Speaker 1: cars already, you know, because this was what transfer, Because
Speaker 1: this was a transfer. This player came in from a
Speaker 1: junior college into Parks program. And I think it was
Speaker 1: Park's first team here at the U N O V.
Speaker 1: And uh and this, uh, this young man did not
Speaker 1: have his car yet so did not tell the truth.
Speaker 1: They don't always have the well, I think I shouldn't
Speaker 1: say that he did have his own car. Was just
Speaker 1: a total piece of crap, you know, and I wounded
Speaker 1: up inheriting that. But I think after this, I only
Speaker 1: had it for like a couple of days, and Jack
Speaker 1: wounded up flying me and Zack back home, and uh
Speaker 1: so the bulk of my trip we were driving around
Speaker 1: in George Gurban Electra and uh, you know, it was
Speaker 1: it was a experience that it really was like a
Speaker 1: seventeen years old and uh but like if you know
Speaker 1: Sonny and sending in Jimmy, very very similar personalities. You know,
Speaker 1: Sonny giving me that har would be like if you
Speaker 1: hit up, if I hit, you have guilt. I need
Speaker 1: a dollar for the coke machine. Can give me a dollar?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, sure, That's about how much it meant to Sunny,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It was not those kind
Speaker 1: of things mean nothing to him. He's just he has
Speaker 1: a heart of goal and he's helped a million people
Speaker 1: over the years and I'm just one of them that
Speaker 1: he's helped and was been, you know, unbelievably kind to
Speaker 1: the weight above and beyond so but that was one
Speaker 1: of my first experiences, uh, you know, in that world
Speaker 1: and I and you know, you look back and say,
Speaker 1: it would be tough to go back to just some
Speaker 1: nine to five corporate jobs after life, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean? You know, yeah, I mean just I can
Speaker 1: see like my future was kind of in front of me,
Speaker 1: and you know, maybe maybe not the traditional future that
Speaker 1: a lot of other guys were looking at. You know
Speaker 1: that that was like one of my first four ways
Speaker 1: into this kind of a world. And it's and it's
Speaker 1: hard to stress just how amazing that must have been
Speaker 1: driving around you and your cousin Zack in a car
Speaker 1: that how could I put this noticeable right in a
Speaker 1: desert of one people? And to do it, to have
Speaker 1: done across country? Talking to Chris Andrews, that's the story
Speaker 1: that leads off his book. Then one day, forty years
Speaker 1: of bookmaking, uh in Nevada from Chrissy. Uh. We have
Speaker 1: about three minutes here, Chris before a break. Did you
Speaker 1: want to address uh something This has nothing to do
Speaker 1: with the story. We'll get back to the stories after
Speaker 1: the break, but did you want to address the matter
Speaker 1: because we've gotten a lot of questions on baseball season
Speaker 1: win totals. Yeah, I'm glad you brought that up. We I,
Speaker 1: you know, just unilaterally, I guess, you know, canceled all
Speaker 1: our season win total bets because we had a rule
Speaker 1: that was different than anybody else's, and everybody else had
Speaker 1: a minimum amount of games. Us like a hundred and
Speaker 1: sixty or a hundred sixty one, maybe even a hundred
Speaker 1: and sixty two games that had to be played for
Speaker 1: action on your season win totals. What we never had.
Speaker 1: We used to have it, but Jimmy and I talked.
Speaker 1: We decided to just screw it, you know, just because
Speaker 1: we had a beef one year and it costs us.
Speaker 1: You know, it didn't cost us a lot of money,
Speaker 1: but it costs us a lot of time from some
Speaker 1: of my supervisor that had to go and testify from
Speaker 1: the state. And this guy, the guy who challenged it
Speaker 1: was just a total scumbag. I mean, he had he
Speaker 1: had bets both ways, and he cast his cub bet
Speaker 1: over and wanted to avoid his cub thatt under right
Speaker 1: right at the same window. Because you know, the Cubs
Speaker 1: only they technically played a hundred and sixty two games,
Speaker 1: but one of the games was deemed the tie, which
Speaker 1: I can't ever remember in baseball history except for this
Speaker 1: one time. But anyway, beside, screw it, We're just gonna
Speaker 1: have no minimum. If they start the season, you have action. Well,
Speaker 1: we never foresaw the coronavirus in this world that we're
Speaker 1: living in right now. We were thinking, you know, a
Speaker 1: hundred sixty games or hundred six the one that you know,
Speaker 1: we would invoke that rule. Now, I mean, I don't
Speaker 1: even know if we're we're to have a season, you know, really,
Speaker 1: And so I went on arbitrarily said, no, all those
Speaker 1: bets are cans, because a lot of guys are there
Speaker 1: arbitrage and you might bet you know, over eighty two
Speaker 1: with me, and you found under eighty four somewhere else,
Speaker 1: you know, And I didn't want people holding those tickets.
Speaker 1: And by a lot of guys, you know, naturally Twitter
Speaker 1: being the jerks that everybody is on Twitter, and oh
Speaker 1: south Point must the south Point must be holding a
Speaker 1: lot of UNDERBD. No, the exact opposite is true. And
Speaker 1: because I would keep track, we're about thirteen units high
Speaker 1: to the over overall on the old you know, thirty
Speaker 1: two teams or thirty teams. Uh, we were high thirteen
Speaker 1: units to the over and I was constantly chacking. I
Speaker 1: was just wanting, you know, just to see if our
Speaker 1: math is right and everything else. So no, I mean
Speaker 1: by campering it, I probably caused Michael gone. You know,
Speaker 1: let's say thirty thousand dollars or something like that. Thirty
Speaker 1: thousand of Michael, it's like hit and sign you up
Speaker 1: for that dollar for a coke machine. You know, that's
Speaker 1: probably how much matter. So it's really one of those
Speaker 1: things where we you know, we could have pocketed a
Speaker 1: couple of bucks, but we didn't. And I just really
Speaker 1: thought it was the fair thing to do, just for
Speaker 1: everybody out there. And uh, and I wanted to do
Speaker 1: it quickly, um, you know, so people would know exactly
Speaker 1: where they stand, because, like I said, a lot of
Speaker 1: those guys were looking at arbitraging. That's and uh, I
Speaker 1: definitely think it was the right decision of me. All right, Chrissy,
Speaker 1: appreciate it for the clarificational in that, because I think
Speaker 1: a lot of people were wondering, and certainly by Twitter
Speaker 1: at least a few were. But we appreciate that. We'll
Speaker 1: come back, We'll tell a story, or you will anyway
Speaker 1: you will will come back and tell a story about
Speaker 1: a gentleman who just passed away eight days ago. We'll
Speaker 1: come back. We'll tell that one next on a numbers
Speaker 1: game at Visa. Welcome back to a Numbers game with Jill.
Speaker 1: Alexander Risk and I had spoken about the story he
Speaker 1: wanted to tell here brief segment right here, and if
Speaker 1: we're being authentic, we're being honest. I said something before
Speaker 1: the break, and Chrissy texted me during the break. He goes,
Speaker 1: wait a minute, I didn't even know that the subject
Speaker 1: of this story that Chris is about to tell is
Speaker 1: cowboy Tony Salinas, and eight days ago Tony passed away.
Speaker 1: Chrissy didn't even know this, Um Roxy texting Roxy Roxborough,
Speaker 1: R I P Tony Sealinas after a lengthy hospital stay,
Speaker 1: per my buddy arn Lang. Is it Arnie Lang or
Speaker 1: arn Lang? Is it Chrissy who said? Quote Arnie Lang?
Speaker 1: Who said quote another legendary character from a bygone era.
Speaker 1: He departed on the same day that some sports books
Speaker 1: went dark. He could not have timed his leave taking
Speaker 1: any better. Unquote. So how about that, Chris, R I
Speaker 1: P Tony Selenas. Yeah, due, I wasn't going to mention
Speaker 1: his name and his story because probably doesn't reflect real
Speaker 1: well on Tony. But well, I mean it's out there.
Speaker 1: I guess nothing we could do about it now. Uh. Anyway, again,
Speaker 1: for kids out there, just don't understand how different the
Speaker 1: world was back then. Uh, Tony ran a tout service
Speaker 1: and actually, uh, Tony picked a lot of winners. I mean,
Speaker 1: he won some contests around town and really had a
Speaker 1: reputaination for a guy who could really. Yeah, they win
Speaker 1: a lot of games, good poker players, you know, winter
Speaker 1: it in sports betting. But like anybody, he went good
Speaker 1: and bad, like every one of us have done. You know. Well,
Speaker 1: this is when he was going pretty good, and it
Speaker 1: happened to be New Year's Eve, and so now it
Speaker 1: goes into New Year's morning. Uh and uh he goes
Speaker 1: into New Year's morning and these guys that you know,
Speaker 1: they were working for him, you know, moving the money
Speaker 1: here around town and also running his poud service. And
Speaker 1: uh so they go in and where's Tony at Tony
Speaker 1: wasn't home, he's not answering his phone. I don't forget,
Speaker 1: we didn't have cell phones or even beepers back then.
Speaker 1: They can't find Tony. They can't find Tony. But finally
Speaker 1: one of the guys says, I know Tony, Uh if
Speaker 1: if he hooks up with a young lady, Uh, he
Speaker 1: likes to go to this one certain place, you know,
Speaker 1: kind of a notel motel and Tonyo go down there.
Speaker 1: Uh when we find him. So so these guys are
Speaker 1: get in the car and they go to this one
Speaker 1: motel and like I said, the whole world was so
Speaker 1: much different back then. You go to the front desk
Speaker 1: and say, you know, uh, yeah, I'm here. See Tony
Speaker 1: sny is kind of the key to his room. Yeah, sure,
Speaker 1: here you go. I mean, obviously that does not happen today,
Speaker 1: and uh now we're on earth. Uh can you do
Speaker 1: that in this day and age? However, that was kind
Speaker 1: of standard practice back then, and you knew the guy's name,
Speaker 1: So I mean, obviously a lot of nefarious things what
Speaker 1: happened here there? So they they go, they are banging
Speaker 1: on the door, banging on the door, and Tony won't
Speaker 1: answer and probably not allowed to help it. Let's let's
Speaker 1: use the key and open it up. And they opened
Speaker 1: up the door and Tony is engaged. At this point
Speaker 1: in time, and he's got his cowboy hat in one hand,
Speaker 1: he's got a whiskey bottle in the other hand, a
Speaker 1: young lady underneath him, and they Tony. You know. Then
Speaker 1: they're talking as they enter the room, Tony, we need
Speaker 1: the game, we need, we need to get and they
Speaker 1: walk in and there's Tony and it is whiskey and
Speaker 1: closed the door as quick as they can't. Now they're
Speaker 1: looking at each other. Wait a second, are we supposed
Speaker 1: to that Wisconsin or we were talking about the whiske
Speaker 1: he bottle in hand. We're am not sure what to
Speaker 1: do and matter that we're not going back in the
Speaker 1: room again. They I think they just said the hell
Speaker 1: that we're gonna go in Wisconsin, hope for the best
Speaker 1: and hope that they cover. And uh so that was
Speaker 1: so if you bet Wasisconsin that day, I think they
Speaker 1: actually won. So you've got pretty lucky. So whether that
Speaker 1: was Tony's game or not, I guess we'll never know now,
Speaker 1: But that was the situation. I was described to mean
Speaker 1: by someone relatively well known who was actually there and
Speaker 1: part of that crew that went into Tony room that day.
Speaker 1: That is a that is a shorty, but a goodie.
Speaker 1: Chris I love that story. I'm not really sure if
Speaker 1: we're or not, but by that UM. By the way,
Speaker 1: I have any set story Chrissy from modern day that
Speaker 1: I can't tell on air. You just want to share that. UM.
Speaker 1: But Tony was for those who don't know UM, as
Speaker 1: we go to break here, he won contest back in
Speaker 1: the day. He won the nineteen eighty Castaways Challenge. I
Speaker 1: think he won an early Super Contest too, if I'm
Speaker 1: not mistaken. Oh, it's it's tough to find that back
Speaker 1: in Super but I believe he did back in the
Speaker 1: early early days of the Super Contest. I want to
Speaker 1: say late eighties, don't hold me to that. Could have
Speaker 1: been early nineties, but way back when the late great
Speaker 1: Tony Selinas will come back. More stories from Chrissy Chris
Speaker 1: Andrews exclusively story Time on a Numbers Game at Visa.
Speaker 1: Welcome back to a Numbers game with Jill Alexander back
Speaker 1: on the Numbers game right here at Visa these towards Betty.
Speaker 1: That work has all brought to you by the bet
Speaker 1: MGM mapp skill Alexander from our San Francisco outpost at Visa.
Speaker 1: I guess you didn't know we had a San Francisco outpost.
Speaker 1: We do now. Chrissie Andrews of course kind enough to
Speaker 1: join us for two hours this morning. We'll do it
Speaker 1: all over again on Wednesday with some more stories, uh,
Speaker 1: some of these from his book. Then one day others
Speaker 1: yet to be told never before in podcast form. We'll
Speaker 1: get to some of those coming up. Christie, I think
Speaker 1: we have to tell this one though every time you're
Speaker 1: on the air. It's been told many times. But I
Speaker 1: think if there was a mount rushmore of your stories,
Speaker 1: this is without question included in them. Oh this, this
Speaker 1: would be George Washington. Yeah. Anyway, if you go go
Speaker 1: and google and I just tried this just now and
Speaker 1: it comes up. Greatest NBA game ever played. This is
Speaker 1: the game that will come up June four, uh, nineteen
Speaker 1: seventies six. And by the way, of course, the announcer
Speaker 1: is Brett must Games anyone and three of anything. Anyway,
Speaker 1: So this game game Game five Celtics versus the Sun's uh,
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy six. And there's a character around Las Vegas
Speaker 1: at that time and he was just known as Crying Kenny.
Speaker 1: And my first meeting of Crying Kenny I was in
Speaker 1: the I was one years old. I was in the
Speaker 1: Freemont and I'm watching the game, and I could hear
Speaker 1: this guy in the back of the room and that
Speaker 1: being like every single everything, you know, every dribble, every past,
Speaker 1: every everything, the streaming, yelling, and nobody paying attention to him.
Speaker 1: You know. I remember asking the one guy, who's that
Speaker 1: guy back here? And he looked at me, like, what
Speaker 1: are you talking about? Who's that guy who screaming? Young? Oh?
Speaker 1: That's just crying Kenny, you know, like yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, oh. Anyway,
Speaker 1: Like I don't think his act would have played too
Speaker 1: well on the script, but it didn't play well down
Speaker 1: town anyway. Crying Kenny was one of those guys, you know,
Speaker 1: he definitely was not a square. He was that wasn't
Speaker 1: particularly called a wise guy, but it's no square either.
Speaker 1: Kenny always bet under or an under dog, never laid points,
Speaker 1: never beg games over. So this is uh, the the
Speaker 1: June fourth game, and you know, I don't remember the
Speaker 1: exact scores of the game, but anyway, Kenny bet under,
Speaker 1: like under a pretty big number. I think it was
Speaker 1: like two fifteen. He bet under and the Celtics and Sons.
Speaker 1: This is Celtics they had, you know, Joejoe White, Paul Silas,
Speaker 1: Dave Cowen's just you know, John Halicheck, just a terrific,
Speaker 1: terrific team. And the Sons. This was one of the
Speaker 1: great Sons teams. Paul Westfall I think one of the
Speaker 1: Van Oursdale's played for him. I can't remember who exactly.
Speaker 1: Paul gar heard heard of course, Oh we're getting the
Speaker 1: guard heard, Yeah, we're so Uh they're they're they're in
Speaker 1: the game. And Kenny's got it under and he's up
Speaker 1: at Bill dark place. It's not there anymore. Bill Dark.
Speaker 1: By the way, in the Annals of Las Vegas history,
Speaker 1: Bill Dark a very key guy because he invented the total.
Speaker 1: Before before Bill Dark, there was no such thing as
Speaker 1: betting on total. He also switched the rules of the
Speaker 1: baseball totals, as I recall Overnight. Yes, it's a matter
Speaker 1: of fact. He we'll let Roxy tell that story when
Speaker 1: he's later this week. Uh, and we still go by them,
Speaker 1: by the way. Um anyway, so, uh, Kenny's up at
Speaker 1: Bill Dark's. Uh. Del mar and I described it in
Speaker 1: the book is saying it was a little CD of
Speaker 1: rocking on the text Me said, a little CD is
Speaker 1: about the kindest thing that's ever been said about the
Speaker 1: del Mar was that kind of a joint. Anyway, he's
Speaker 1: in there and Kenny screaming and yelling at the TV
Speaker 1: every time they do anything. But he's got the game one.
Speaker 1: The game is one. He's got the game. It's a
Speaker 1: dead under. They go into overtime. You know, still I'm
Speaker 1: not looking too bad for Kenny. So at the end
Speaker 1: of the first overtime, they go into an other overtime
Speaker 1: and this was the guard her shot. It was like
Speaker 1: one of these miracle shots in a miracle situation, like
Speaker 1: with a technical file that that the Signs got on
Speaker 1: purpose so they could get the ball at mid court.
Speaker 1: It's just a very weird situation. I said, you can
Speaker 1: kind of you can google and watch, you know, watch
Speaker 1: the overtimes. It's really it's quite interesting on how they
Speaker 1: did it. Paul Westball figured out that day they needed
Speaker 1: the technical calling on them and that was a good
Speaker 1: way for them to get the ball in a better position. Anyway,
Speaker 1: game goes into another overtime. Kenny, now he's gonna lose.
Speaker 1: I mean, they've got to score by four points in
Speaker 1: that last overtime for the game to go over. So Kenny,
Speaker 1: Kenny loses. He walks out of the joint and he's
Speaker 1: mumbling to himself and he's obviously pissed, you know. He
Speaker 1: he goes and the game is going on. Everybody. You
Speaker 1: gotta remember most guys have overs and games like this,
Speaker 1: you know, So the game games going on. Kenny lived
Speaker 1: not too far in the Delmar. He came back about
Speaker 1: five minutes later with a gun. Of course, let's just
Speaker 1: of course he did. Why not he was in Texas,
Speaker 1: so I think you have to have a gun, don't
Speaker 1: you know, if you're in Tectis. It comes back, he's
Speaker 1: got again and he walked in. Now, I mean everybody
Speaker 1: sees Kenny with a gun. I mean, I don't. We
Speaker 1: don't know what's gonna happen. Well, they had one TV
Speaker 1: in the Delmar, which, by the way, that's all you
Speaker 1: really needed back in those days because there wasn't much
Speaker 1: many games on TV. So they had one TV in
Speaker 1: the del Mar hanging from hanging from one of those
Speaker 1: posts like off the wall, off the ceiling, and Kenny
Speaker 1: takes out the revolver, empties it into the TV bissess
Speaker 1: and you know, bursts and phizzes, and drops to the
Speaker 1: floor and everybody, well, they're stunned. I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: I just fired six shots into the TV and Kenny
Speaker 1: kind of looked around. They said, he says, that's the
Speaker 1: last game that's ever going over on that TV set
Speaker 1: and walked out. I guess we're not gonna know the final.
Speaker 1: He's not not watching it there. He walked out and
Speaker 1: left and uh the next day and he came in
Speaker 1: as he apologized the build. Arc told Bill he would
Speaker 1: buy him a new TV, which he did, buil you know,
Speaker 1: made him pay for new TV. And just the kind
Speaker 1: of guy Bill was. The bullet holes were in the wall,
Speaker 1: and Bill got like a frame around the bullet holes
Speaker 1: and for years it was just up there called you know,
Speaker 1: the Crying Kenny game June four, nine seventies six Game
Speaker 1: five Tompics Sons six Final. I'm just like a plaque
Speaker 1: on the wall that he had bullettle It's pretty funny.
Speaker 1: Years later, years later, Bill had the places painted, which, man,
Speaker 1: roxy can't believe you actually spent the money to get
Speaker 1: the pa place painted. But he forgot to tell them
Speaker 1: kN the paint over the bullet holes, and they did,
Speaker 1: and they you know this little piece of lots Vegas history,
Speaker 1: amazing gone. But Chrissie, I gotta jump in. We'll do
Speaker 1: the we'll do the PostScript on this after the break
Speaker 1: cry and Kenny right here on a storytime version of
Speaker 1: a numbers game in Vison. Welcome back to a numbers
Speaker 1: game with Jill Alexander. It is the Numbers Game Kill
Speaker 1: Alexander Beck on Vison, the Sports Betting Network. The book
Speaker 1: is called The Then one day, Uh, Chris andrews all
Speaker 1: his stories for forty years of bookmaking in Nevada. UM
Speaker 1: told these stories on the Beating the Book podcast on
Speaker 1: the Guessing Lines edition for years we added a section
Speaker 1: called story Time and we just thought, oh, this will
Speaker 1: be a little throw in. And then once these stories
Speaker 1: were told, Uh, nobody wanted to talk about anything else.
Speaker 1: There's a shot of it at Visa dot com and
Speaker 1: the Visa that that is the book right there. And
Speaker 1: I think, of all the stories you tell, obviously that's
Speaker 1: the one that's most requested. But that's the one, Chrissie,
Speaker 1: where for those of us who weren't around in Vegas
Speaker 1: in those days, that's the one that's the most impossible
Speaker 1: to believe because if it happened today, that dude to
Speaker 1: be prosecuted in a second, but not then. Nothing happened, No,
Speaker 1: nothing that you think you do that today you have
Speaker 1: the SWAT team out. I'd be taken out in handcuffs.
Speaker 1: He'd probably never seen the light of day again. You know,
Speaker 1: it's just made. And they come up with a couple
Speaker 1: of hundred bucks and paid Bill for Bill's TV. And
Speaker 1: what can I do? Do you remember? Roxy, were your
Speaker 1: old friend. Roxy Roxburg was kind enough to come on
Speaker 1: this show a lot, friend of show, friend of network.
Speaker 1: His favorite real quick, his favorite Ryan Kenny story was,
Speaker 1: as you say, he always had the under in games.
Speaker 1: And there was a Sonics game, Seattle SuperSonics game, as
Speaker 1: you like to say, in those days, Gus Williams and
Speaker 1: Dennis Johnson would have conversations walking the ball up the court,
Speaker 1: like they played such an unbelievably slow faced and so crying.
Speaker 1: Kenny had an under in some game and as Roxy
Speaker 1: tells the story, it was like zero zero. He had
Speaker 1: an under in a game. It was zero zero five
Speaker 1: and a half minutes in like it was just this
Speaker 1: unbelievable drought and started game and then downtown Freddie Brown
Speaker 1: hits some circus shot and gets fouled and crying, Kenny
Speaker 1: sleeps up into the air, goes, Jesus Christ, are they're
Speaker 1: gonna hit every shot in this damn game? I said
Speaker 1: to me, Still, what the best? More rare crying Kenny's
Speaker 1: help them. Yeah, that didn't get obviously the publicity. That's right,
Speaker 1: that's right, all right. I guess I got about ten
Speaker 1: minutes to tell this, so let's see if I could
Speaker 1: do it anyway. This is nineteen and uh, you know
Speaker 1: I was I was working on the Barbara Coost and
Speaker 1: you know, I was hustling from my uncle Jack, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, on the streets, and you know, there was
Speaker 1: a lot of runners back then, everybody trying to hustle
Speaker 1: them for numbers and that sort of thing. And and again,
Speaker 1: just just the whole the whole society was different. But
Speaker 1: you know, certainly Vegas was part of that. We didn't
Speaker 1: have cell phones, we have beepers, we have anything like that. So, uh, baseball, Well,
Speaker 1: let me just backtrack a second. So we you know,
Speaker 1: this was game six h the Los Angeles Lakers were
Speaker 1: playing at the Philadelphia seventies sixers, and the Lakers were
Speaker 1: a great, great team, but It was still Kareem's team
Speaker 1: at this time, and they had Worthy and Magic and
Speaker 1: I don't think it's the four Worthy, So they had
Speaker 1: um Keith Wilkes was was their key forward, and Norm Nixon.
Speaker 1: Really a good team. It was Magic Johnson's rookie year,
Speaker 1: but it was still Kareem's team. Kill Kareem sprained his
Speaker 1: ankle terribly in Game five, and so this game was
Speaker 1: in Philadelphia. Kareem didn't even get on the plane. He
Speaker 1: didn't make the trip. They said, well, we're just gonna
Speaker 1: leave him home and try to win without him. But
Speaker 1: if we don't, we want him, you know, as good
Speaker 1: as possible for Game seven. Okay. And by the way,
Speaker 1: that so many Sixers team had Dr J. Bobby Jones,
Speaker 1: Maurice Cheeks, all Hall of famers, and Darryl Bawkins another
Speaker 1: terrific player, not quite all the fame, but a terrific
Speaker 1: players team. Also George McGinnis. I think, I don't I
Speaker 1: don't think McGuinness was on the team. It might have been.
Speaker 1: It might have been I didn't have in my notes,
Speaker 1: but he might have been anyway. So they're going out
Speaker 1: there and uh, you know, these games were usually you know,
Speaker 1: pretty two pretty evenly matched teams like about three poor four,
Speaker 1: three or four point favorite whoever was at home. But
Speaker 1: this game with no Kareem and Philly in a must
Speaker 1: win situation. The game was between eight and a half
Speaker 1: and nine, and it's one of those. Now, you gotta
Speaker 1: remember back then when when my uncle Jack played a game,
Speaker 1: it moved all over the country, you know, and I
Speaker 1: mean this was Vegas was like the hotspot, of course,
Speaker 1: but you know, people were following what was going on
Speaker 1: in Las Vegas. So I go and you know, get
Speaker 1: money from and I had money and tickets and all
Speaker 1: that other stuff. So Jack calls me in the morning, says,
Speaker 1: a kid, I want you to go out get all
Speaker 1: the Lakers plus nine that you can. Now, you gotta remember,
Speaker 1: like I said, back in those days, when Jack played
Speaker 1: a game of moved all over the place. So I
Speaker 1: go out. H first off, I think plus nine, you know,
Speaker 1: for whatever the limit is, I go plus nine, plus nine,
Speaker 1: plus nine plus I'm taking it all over the place.
Speaker 1: This is strange. You know, usually you know, if he's
Speaker 1: on his side, and then everybody knew that it was
Speaker 1: you know, Kareem was not going to be in the lineup,
Speaker 1: but it's still kind of surprising that I'm getting all
Speaker 1: this action. So after a couple of stops, you know,
Speaker 1: I called my Uncael Jack and I tell him, you know,
Speaker 1: this is I got X amount plus the nine. I said,
Speaker 1: but it's kind of weird. I said, there's a lot
Speaker 1: of it out there. He says, yeah, he goes, I
Speaker 1: think I made a mistake. I moved too early. I
Speaker 1: found out Lefty and that left the Rosenthal who in
Speaker 1: the movie, Uh Casino is a ace roth Steam. Because
Speaker 1: I found out Lefties on the other side, he's laying
Speaker 1: in eight and a half now, Michael Jack moved games
Speaker 1: all over the country. Lefty moved games all over the country.
Speaker 1: And I'm just telling you, if you were back there
Speaker 1: in the day, you could have followed either one of
Speaker 1: those two guys and done really, really well for yourself.
Speaker 1: They were on a game. It was a pretty strong play.
Speaker 1: So he says, well, well, we're committed the hell of it.
Speaker 1: Just go get all the nine you can. But I
Speaker 1: guess we're just gonna have a big bet on tonight's game. Okay.
Speaker 1: So I go out and I, you know, I bet
Speaker 1: everywhere I could find something. There were some eight and
Speaker 1: a halves around, but there was a lot of nines.
Speaker 1: You know, come back, we had you know, a fortune
Speaker 1: on the game plus nine. So game gets off and
Speaker 1: uh and again this is if the Celtics Suns game
Speaker 1: is the greatest game of all time, this one will
Speaker 1: be pretty close. Magic Johnson, he was a twenty year
Speaker 1: old rookie point guard. They played him at center that
Speaker 1: Day's Magic six nine, So you know, you could play point,
Speaker 1: you play all five positions on the court, including center.
Speaker 1: He played center this this game against the seventies sixers.
Speaker 1: Magic had fourteen points, fifteen rebounds, and seven a six
Speaker 1: and the Lakers won one one oh seven. So Manald
Speaker 1: Jack had you know, handicapped this game about as well
Speaker 1: as you possibly could. Like there's winning going away. They
Speaker 1: wind up winning the championship. You know, Kareem was at home,
Speaker 1: even though like I said, it was Kareem's team still
Speaker 1: at this time, but he was at home and the
Speaker 1: obviously he's as joyous as any of it as the
Speaker 1: Laker players were. But they won the championship without him
Speaker 1: in Philadelphia. But now if you go back, and I
Speaker 1: don't know if you remember this goal, there was a
Speaker 1: threat of a baseball strike. And I think they actually
Speaker 1: might have gone out for like a game or two,
Speaker 1: but not long. But there was definitely a threat of
Speaker 1: a long baseball strike, and they wind up having one
Speaker 1: a year later. Anyway. Um, anyway, so Jack's as well,
Speaker 1: you know, basketball's over. I don't know what they're gonna
Speaker 1: do with the baseball. He said, you know, let's let's
Speaker 1: uh settle the figure. Uh, you know, bring me all
Speaker 1: the cash over to the house, and you know, we'll
Speaker 1: we'll settle it there. Okay, so now you know whatever
Speaker 1: it was like next day or two days, I'm counting
Speaker 1: down my money. I'm counting down. I'm counting down. I'm
Speaker 1: forty two hundred short. Okay, I count you know, I
Speaker 1: mean I count so many times. And I don't have tickets,
Speaker 1: and he didn't want me to cash all the tickets.
Speaker 1: Will hold on to some of those. And looking through
Speaker 1: all my tickets and and uh, all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: you know, and I wait a second, I got this ticket.
Speaker 1: It says seventy six years minus eight and a half.
Speaker 1: And I remember where I got the ticket. I got
Speaker 1: it at Sam's Town at the time. And it was
Speaker 1: one of those deals where Jack told me, says, just
Speaker 1: go in, told the guy your your my nephew, and
Speaker 1: the guy, I'll hand you an envelope and you give
Speaker 1: him twenty two hundred for the ticket and just go.
Speaker 1: Well that's all I did, and I didn't check the
Speaker 1: ticket or anything like that out of game, you know. Anyway,
Speaker 1: now I go back and say, listen, you guys gave
Speaker 1: me the wrong ticket. I got a call with his money.
Speaker 1: Well they want no, no, no, you should have checked
Speaker 1: your tickets and don't give me that crap because you
Speaker 1: know you're not supposed to do that. This was illegal
Speaker 1: at the time and definitely against regulations. You were not
Speaker 1: supposed to take bets over the phone. There was no
Speaker 1: apperating like that. No, no, you know said they handed
Speaker 1: neither wrong ticket. They handed me the wrong ticket, and
Speaker 1: that's what we could do about it. And you know,
Speaker 1: I was one of those. Guy said, listen, you know
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna call gaming, but you don't want me
Speaker 1: to call game either, because you were definitely in violation. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he said, I said, let me ask you this at
Speaker 1: on on the Lakers and he looks and said, yeah,
Speaker 1: we do does that being cash? No, it hasn't okay, well,
Speaker 1: now it hits me, somebody has my ticket. Well, who
Speaker 1: would they hand an envelope too? Just like that like
Speaker 1: they did for my uncle Jack, only be one guy, Lefty.
Speaker 1: So now left Leftie had two guys, Marty Kane, and
Speaker 1: I know we're running out of time, but he had
Speaker 1: two guys, Joey Boston and Marty Kane, and the whole
Speaker 1: out that hated my uncle Jack. I don't know why.
Speaker 1: I don't know what the situation was, but they hated
Speaker 1: my uncle Jack. But for some reason, they loved his son, Zach.
Speaker 1: And if you know that, and he's impossible to Hey,
Speaker 1: he's one of the greatest guys you've ever met. I
Speaker 1: call Zack. I says, Za, you gotta get ahold of
Speaker 1: Joey Boston or Marty Kane. They have the ticket. I
Speaker 1: give him the story and Zach right away says, oh
Speaker 1: my god, you're right. They have the ticket. So he
Speaker 1: calls Joey Boston. I'm sitting by the phone. I'm dying.
Speaker 1: I'm thekuy. They gotta have the ticket, and I'm hoping
Speaker 1: they would, you know, give me back the ticket. Paul's Joey.
Speaker 1: Joey calls Marty. Actually Marty had the ticket, he threw it,
Speaker 1: he had thrown it away, went through the garden. He says, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I got Jack's ticket. Come on over and pick it
Speaker 1: up to Zach and I'm sitting there dying and I
Speaker 1: phone ring, bring I pick it up right away. Hello, Michael, Jeff,
Speaker 1: What the hell is Marty Kane doing with my fort
Speaker 1: So I explained that him, the whole situation, and I
Speaker 1: just I'll never get what he said. He said, you
Speaker 1: you figured this all out by yourself. Yeah, Columbo Quinn
Speaker 1: had din a better job. Come on over your account.
Speaker 1: So good on Lefty and all those even though they
Speaker 1: hated my uncle Jack, they did the honorable things. Honor
Speaker 1: as always a big deal back in the day. Hopefully
Speaker 1: it was a staple. Today we'll come back. We'll tell
Speaker 1: a story that's never been told before in podcast form,
Speaker 1: coming back on a numbers game at Visa the sports
Speaker 1: betting network. I guess a surreal time, that's for sure. UM,
Speaker 1: as we do this from San Francisco remotely today, UM,
Speaker 1: thanks for joining us, everybody, and really with all that's
Speaker 1: going on, UM, we just hope that it's uh something
Speaker 1: that can distract you from all that's going on in
Speaker 1: the world right now. As long as sports are silent,
Speaker 1: we figured we'd try to add a little levity, a
Speaker 1: little distraction from it all. And what better way to
Speaker 1: do with than with Chrissy Andrews, who continues with us,
Speaker 1: now joining us for the full two hours this morning
Speaker 1: and hopefully so for UH for the next two hours
Speaker 1: that we do not not not tomorrow, but on Wednesday.
Speaker 1: Other guests this week Rufus Peabody, who let us all
Speaker 1: know that he tested positive for the coronavirus. He'll be
Speaker 1: on to tell his story tomorrow, Roxy Roxborough from Thailand.
Speaker 1: Also from Michael Lombardi later in the week, Brent Musburger,
Speaker 1: and we'll get the whole Megapod crew on this show.
Speaker 1: The Megapod comes to Visa and Mike Palm, Todd Wishnev
Speaker 1: Jeff Parls will join us as well to UH talk
Speaker 1: all kinds of schmack talk all kinds of football with
Speaker 1: us and find out how it's affected all of them
Speaker 1: in this very strange time. Chrissie is still there. I am, yeah,
Speaker 1: all right, let's tell let's tell one. Go ahead, yeah,
Speaker 1: go ahead, this way. I texted Rufus last night. I know,
Speaker 1: I didn't know he's gonna be on your show, but
Speaker 1: he told me he's doing well. So yeah, definitely one
Speaker 1: guy we were worried about because with with the virus,
Speaker 1: but he's going pretty well. Yeah, he's doing very well.
Speaker 1: He is doing very well. I think it's I think
Speaker 1: it's something that people would like to hear, you know,
Speaker 1: just though how he found out about it, how he
Speaker 1: was able to test for it. Um. I know his
Speaker 1: fiancee is also affected by it as well. She tested positive.
Speaker 1: He'll tell us about that as well. UM and just
Speaker 1: I think people are are scared, um and even if
Speaker 1: they're not scared, they're curious, what, what were the symptoms,
Speaker 1: what happened, What did you do? How to find out?
Speaker 1: Did you inform other people that you are around? So
Speaker 1: I think it's um an interesting story to tell of
Speaker 1: imagine having him on and not talking sports betting at all,
Speaker 1: if you know, if we do mentally, Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: so that'll be interesting, you know what I mean? And
Speaker 1: I'm glad he's okay. I like the guy. Yeah, we
Speaker 1: all do. All right, let's tell one Chrissie that we've
Speaker 1: never told in podcast more before, you've never told it.
Speaker 1: We did you did tell it once? Two great reviews
Speaker 1: on the Visa show. Let's hear that one, okay, but
Speaker 1: the Whiskey story not in the old book will be
Speaker 1: in the new one. This one not in the old
Speaker 1: book will be in the new one. Uh. So I
Speaker 1: saw and like this is one of those times where
Speaker 1: I'm using the phrase literally and it means literally and
Speaker 1: not figured. Literally saw a guy go great and he
Speaker 1: was His name was Kevin White, and Kevin was a
Speaker 1: huge Cincinnati Bengal fan. And that that's really a little
Speaker 1: bit of the back story here. But anyway, Kevin and
Speaker 1: I and Barry Phillips, and Barry Phillips still to this
Speaker 1: day one of my very best friends here in Las Vegas.
Speaker 1: He worked for the Herbs Brothers right now is I
Speaker 1: think they're marketing director. So they very really sharp. God.
Speaker 1: But Barry was originally a radio guy, did some play
Speaker 1: by play minor league ball. Minor League Baseball, had spots
Speaker 1: on various Bay Area uh television show. So Barry was
Speaker 1: like a real radio guy, real media guy. So Barry
Speaker 1: originated the Calneva line and he yeah, there's kind of
Speaker 1: a little bit of a story there about what happened
Speaker 1: but anyway, Barry called me up. We started the Countiva Line.
Speaker 1: There's a couple of iterations of the county of the line.
Speaker 1: A matter of fact, it's still going today. Kenny Barler
Speaker 1: is another good friend of mine. Kenny hosts it now.
Speaker 1: So this show has been going on for you know
Speaker 1: since I nik since nine, so it is kind of
Speaker 1: pretty long history. And uh, when we were there, this
Speaker 1: was back in the old days. It was a good show.
Speaker 1: We got picked up by a thing called the Money
Speaker 1: Network and we were in we Reno obviously, but you know, Denver.
Speaker 1: We were in Denver, and you know, that was our
Speaker 1: biggest city, but we had some other towns. I think
Speaker 1: we're in tallahathe Making, Georgia. But all in all, we
Speaker 1: were in twenty three different cities around the country. So
Speaker 1: we're a pretty pretty big deal. So we would handicap
Speaker 1: the games every Friday night, just go through the NFL
Speaker 1: games on on Sunday and handicapped each one individually. But
Speaker 1: before the before the show, uh, Barry and I and
Speaker 1: Kevin we would go have there and we were just
Speaker 1: kind of discussed, you know, discussed the lines, you know,
Speaker 1: you know, where they were, where we thought they were going,
Speaker 1: how did we get to where we are? What injuries
Speaker 1: are out there? What are the betting dread that, all
Speaker 1: the things that you would think they have to do.
Speaker 1: And uh and Kevin was my swingshift supervisor at the
Speaker 1: cal Neeva and uh so I was the boss and
Speaker 1: I was one of the owners at this time, and
Speaker 1: uh and Kevin was was, you know, one of my
Speaker 1: top assistants, doing a really good job. But it was
Speaker 1: always like a little a little crazy, a little bit.
Speaker 1: But we go to dinner and uh this happened to
Speaker 1: be and oh man, I should have had that. I
Speaker 1: had the date written. I can't find it right now.
Speaker 1: But in the nineteen nineties three so the Bengals, which
Speaker 1: I said, you know, Kevin was a huge Bengals fan,
Speaker 1: or the worst team in football. They were just awful.
Speaker 1: And the forty Niners and this is what you know,
Speaker 1: Joe Montana had gone already, but they had Steve Young.
Speaker 1: We had one Hall of famer replaced by another Hall
Speaker 1: of famer. And the Niners they did not win the
Speaker 1: Super Bowl that year, but they they I think they
Speaker 1: wanted the following year. So they are great, great teams. Anyways,
Speaker 1: it was a Sunday night game. Niners are playing the four.
Speaker 1: The Niners are playing the Bengals at home. So it's
Speaker 1: at the forty Niners pointe spread was twenty four, maybe
Speaker 1: the biggest spread in NFL history. It's right, anyway, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure it is. Be sure it is. So anyway,
Speaker 1: you know, we get to the game. Now, Barry, like
Speaker 1: I said, big big Bay Area guy, so he wound
Speaker 1: up being a big forty fan. Here it comes the game,
Speaker 1: forty Niners against the Bengals. Now, Barry, so you know,
Speaker 1: I think I probably picked the Bengal that There's no
Speaker 1: way I'm gonna late twenty four and we and we
Speaker 1: did every game. Yeah, they have a pick in every game.
Speaker 1: I think I'm pretty sure I think the Bengals. Anyway,
Speaker 1: Barry gets Barry gets to his thing and he's laying
Speaker 1: the twenty four because he loved the They loved the Niners.
Speaker 1: And of course the Bengals are just awful. And you
Speaker 1: know the Niners can name their score blah blah blah.
Speaker 1: Now we get we get to Kevin, and Kennon says, well,
Speaker 1: first of all, I like the Bengals plus the twenty four,
Speaker 1: but I'm gonna tell you right now, not only do
Speaker 1: I like the Bengals plus the twenty four, I think
Speaker 1: the Bengals have a pretty decent shot of winning this game,
Speaker 1: all right, Barry, you know, Barry is one of us,
Speaker 1: like a roadball, but it's a berry. He's Kevin. When
Speaker 1: we had dinner tonight and you put that white stuff
Speaker 1: in your and your his teeth, I just figured it
Speaker 1: was sugar and didn't realized it was lsd N goes crazy,
Speaker 1: and I'm not lying, he goes crazy. We're on the
Speaker 1: air live and like I said, we're in twenty three
Speaker 1: cities around the United States. He goes crazy on live radio.
Speaker 1: You I mean, I can't you know, I know we're
Speaker 1: in Canada. I can't use, you know, some of the
Speaker 1: language that he used that night. Uh Sin's Barry and me,
Speaker 1: But essentially, I'm sick of you. I'm sick of this.
Speaker 1: I'm sick of the caliva. I'm saying, I'm kind of
Speaker 1: taking this crap from you. And you know this time
Speaker 1: mean went, you know, as off the rails as you
Speaker 1: would ever see somebody going, like I said, the live radio,
Speaker 1: throwing stuff at Barry and night and uh storms up
Speaker 1: into the office. We did it, We did the show
Speaker 1: in the sports book, and the office was kind of
Speaker 1: like offset anyways, throwing stuff. I quit, I'm leaving, you know.
Speaker 1: So he runs up into the office. Now we still
Speaker 1: have a Monday night game to do, you know. So
Speaker 1: so you know, I throw in my little evaluation of
Speaker 1: the of the Monday night game and Barry kind of
Speaker 1: takes it from there. And like I said, thank god,
Speaker 1: Barry was a professional and experience and he he got
Speaker 1: through the Monday night game while all this craziness is
Speaker 1: going on. You know. So I I go up into
Speaker 1: the into the sports book and I'm you know, Kevin,
Speaker 1: what are you doing? I mean, you know, Barry's joking.
Speaker 1: You know, I can't believe it. Barry always on me,
Speaker 1: and you are too, And I hate this place and
Speaker 1: I hate you and I hate Barry. And you know,
Speaker 1: he gathers up. Yeah, he hates everybody, and he hates
Speaker 1: to count leaving and and you know, and I quit,
Speaker 1: I'm out of here. I'm done. I'm not, you know.
Speaker 1: And he gathers up his stuff and uh, and he
Speaker 1: heads out the door. Now I still have a sports
Speaker 1: book to run, so so I had my you know,
Speaker 1: The second in charge at that time was a guy
Speaker 1: named Eric, and I said, Eric, as of this moment,
Speaker 1: you are now the swingship supervisor. You know what to do.
Speaker 1: And Eric was like a really sharp guy. He probably
Speaker 1: should have been promotered in product. Kevin even before then.
Speaker 1: I said, you know what to do cample business and
Speaker 1: you know, take care you blah blah blah, you know
Speaker 1: exactly what to do from now on, and you are
Speaker 1: now in charge, you know. So anyway, me and Burrying
Speaker 1: I go back. Can you believe this? You know, we
Speaker 1: always knew he was a little volatile and little on edge,
Speaker 1: but you know, this was like so far beyond the pale.
Speaker 1: I mean just you know, just nothing that you would
Speaker 1: think was any kind of a rational reaction. You think
Speaker 1: he went great right in frontise, you know. So so
Speaker 1: now I get to work next day and uh, you know,
Speaker 1: I I get in like about seven thirty. You know,
Speaker 1: we did the show Friday night to the Saturday morning.
Speaker 1: Get to the show, uh you know Friday, I get
Speaker 1: into the sports book Saturday morning and I'm not there
Speaker 1: more than a couple of minutes. And Kevin calm and
Speaker 1: uh said, well, you know, listen, I really Uh, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry for what I did and said and how
Speaker 1: I acted last night. And uh, and I still quit.
Speaker 1: I want you to know I'll work. I'll give you
Speaker 1: a you know, the two weeks. I'll give you a
Speaker 1: two weeks notice. Still quit, Yeah, yeah, I still quit, now,
Speaker 1: said Kevin. You know, I thank you. I appreciate it.
Speaker 1: But you know we've made other arrangements promoting Eric. He's
Speaker 1: gonna be doing the job. And uh, you know that
Speaker 1: that's that he goes crazy again. You know, yeah, I
Speaker 1: hear the same stuff higher you know, you're a you
Speaker 1: son of a bitch and is screaming, yelling at me
Speaker 1: and all listen and nothing. Well, obviously I made the
Speaker 1: right decision. I don't want this nut job getting my
Speaker 1: sports book, you know, running the Joy. You know, Uh,
Speaker 1: there's no you know, so whatever happened to him, I
Speaker 1: don't know, but you know this, this was it. You know,
Speaker 1: I certainly didn't want him back. And so again he's
Speaker 1: screaming and yelling and and all that other stuff, and uh,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm this dirty rat and all that. So now,
Speaker 1: uh so he hangs up on me, and you know,
Speaker 1: I don't I don't hear from him for a couple
Speaker 1: of days. He shows up in the sports book about
Speaker 1: a week later. I'd say something like that, he's got
Speaker 1: like this this cheesy off the rack suit. Uh, I
Speaker 1: don't know if it costs, you know, thirty dollars, you know,
Speaker 1: one of those kind of suits. He's had a tie
Speaker 1: and everything else, which he never wore anything like that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm in the mafia. Now can you believe that I'm
Speaker 1: actually in the maffia? I mean he's telling guys, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: they you know. I can't even remember what he said.
Speaker 1: But I mean, again, so off the risks, and I'm
Speaker 1: thinking myself. Number one, you're not even Italian. Okay. Number two,
Speaker 1: you don't go you're not in the mafia in like,
Speaker 1: you know, four or five days. You know that I
Speaker 1: knew you. You know you're not You're not in the mafia.
Speaker 1: That's not That's not how membership in the mafia works.
Speaker 1: It's much more complex than that, you know, um in
Speaker 1: the mafia. Anyway, he disappears again for a couple of days.
Speaker 1: Now it comes in. He had grown a go team.
Speaker 1: He had a turban on his head. I am now
Speaker 1: a seat warrior. Okay, I don't I don't know much
Speaker 1: about the Sikh warrior culture either, but I'm you're pretty sure,
Speaker 1: you know, from Reno, Nevada, you don't become a Sikh
Speaker 1: warrior in a week. I'm pretty sure that is not
Speaker 1: how Sikh warriors hood works. I'm pretty sure now he's
Speaker 1: a Sikh warrior. Oh my god. I mean they're like
Speaker 1: I said it, literally what Craig the Sek Warrior. So
Speaker 1: about another week goes by and he comes in and
Speaker 1: he's got a cowboy at and one of those long
Speaker 1: black and dusters that you would see, you know, in
Speaker 1: a in a Western movie. I am now a Texas Ranger.
Speaker 1: I am now a Texas Ranger. And uh and again
Speaker 1: I'm thinking the Texas Rangers are actually real thing, you know,
Speaker 1: in Texas. It's part of the Department of you know,
Speaker 1: whatever they want to call it. It's not the days
Speaker 1: a Wide Earth and stuff like that. It's actually a
Speaker 1: real thing, you know. And I'm pretty sure from Reno, Nevada,
Speaker 1: I don't become a Texas Ranger in a week just
Speaker 1: because you have a duster and a ten yallon hat.
Speaker 1: It does not come on. Yeah, but now he's a
Speaker 1: Texas Ranger. So I mean, now, you know, I mean
Speaker 1: this is this is like, this is pretty crazy, you know,
Speaker 1: and what we're all partially like laughing, but but partially
Speaker 1: it's pretty pretty darn scared here too, you know. And
Speaker 1: uh so now as things go scared because he's a
Speaker 1: nut job and you just don't know what you're gonna
Speaker 1: get from it. Yeah, who knows, I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, this is this is America. It's
Speaker 1: not that hard to get a gun, you know, and
Speaker 1: really like like yeah on he knows in case you
Speaker 1: don't have newspapers in the internet, you're at its interesting
Speaker 1: just that's Bryan Kenny. It's really you can get a gut.
Speaker 1: So so I mean, you know, we're worried, you know,
Speaker 1: because I mean his hatred is you know, primarily at Barry,
Speaker 1: but also at me too. Now as this is going on,
Speaker 1: and I should I should have said this beforehand. So
Speaker 1: he right when this first happened, when he Quitner, he
Speaker 1: demanded a meeting with Bill mckugh. And Bill was the
Speaker 1: president and general manager at County even he was he
Speaker 1: was the boss. And he want he wants to he
Speaker 1: wants a meeting with Bill mckugh. So he goes in
Speaker 1: and Bill tells him. He said, you know, you know,
Speaker 1: there's a wrongful term. You know, he's gonna sue us
Speaker 1: and all that other stuff and build something. You know,
Speaker 1: you weren't wrongfully termed. You quit. You quit, you walked out,
Speaker 1: and you walked down on your shift. You told everybody
Speaker 1: quit it, sent it on the radio, that equip it,
Speaker 1: you know, he said, So it's not a wrongful time.
Speaker 1: And Build Nashly stuck up from me, and there wasn't
Speaker 1: that much a stick up for I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: gold It was a smart guy. So the Calvinny storied
Speaker 1: Kevin would call billy blue belt billy blue I what's
Speaker 1: a blue bellty? I didn't know. Well I found out
Speaker 1: pretty soon. Uh So now Kevin and I think we're
Speaker 1: gonna bleed into another segment. Can we take a break
Speaker 1: right here? Uh yeah, let's let's take a break right here,
Speaker 1: and then I can finish the story in the next segment.
Speaker 1: This it's just a good time for a break. Let's
Speaker 1: let's do that. We'll do that. What what about? What
Speaker 1: year was this again? So this isn't like ancient ancient time.
Speaker 1: It's just sort of a long time ago times. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure it wasn't Entry. And what sports book
Speaker 1: was it? Again? We were to count me the sports
Speaker 1: book where count men? And uh yeah, So had you
Speaker 1: had any thinking beforehand, had you had an England beforehand, Christie,
Speaker 1: that this guy was capable of these sorts of claims
Speaker 1: when that he was going to fly off the handle
Speaker 1: in with You know, we didn't at the time, but
Speaker 1: then when we started looking back, and again I think
Speaker 1: I'll highlight some of that in the next segment. How
Speaker 1: just things a lot of things like you know, you
Speaker 1: know something maybe you don't see the forest for the
Speaker 1: trees kind of thing, you know, I mean, it was there.
Speaker 1: We kind of got used to it, and then later
Speaker 1: on we looked back and said, yeah, remember when he
Speaker 1: did this, Yeah, remember remember this? Remember that? And I'm yeah, jeez,
Speaker 1: we kind of should have seen this coming, you know,
Speaker 1: but but we didn't. You know, just kind of tend
Speaker 1: to accept things that you see every day as normal,
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, and like I said, afterwards, we
Speaker 1: looked back and we we probably could have seen it
Speaker 1: come up, but we never thought how many guys turning
Speaker 1: into seek warriors, you know, I don't know, probably not that,
Speaker 1: probably not that. We probably didn't see that. Yes, right,
Speaker 1: all right, well we'll continue the Kevin White story here
Speaker 1: coming up after the break right here on the Numbers
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Speaker 1: the tonic we need on a day like this and
Speaker 1: at time like this, we will talk about some football tomorrow.
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Speaker 1: be here on the show this week, and Brent Musburger
Speaker 1: making a rare, rare Numbers Game appearance later in the week.
Speaker 1: Brent was kind enough in the early days of as
Speaker 1: UH to allow me to do a podcast with him.
Speaker 1: We went back and we talked about all his stuff
Speaker 1: from yesteryear. I don't know how comfortable he isn't doing
Speaker 1: that again. We'll talk football and then I'll try to sneakily,
Speaker 1: if that's even words, sneaky, slide in some stuff where
Speaker 1: we can get some stories from Brent from back in
Speaker 1: the day. We'll continue though with my mission book, Christie
Speaker 1: Andrews more story time exclusively on a numbers game right
Speaker 1: here in visa. Welcome back to a Numbers game with
Speaker 1: Jill Alexander. Back on the Numbers game, Kill Alexander. I
Speaker 1: have a seat, Chrissie. How does this one wrap up?
Speaker 1: Kevin White? Okay, so, now, like I said, we're starting
Speaker 1: to get scared with just the guy's just off his rockery,
Speaker 1: you know. And uh now he starts, you know, I
Speaker 1: come in in the morning, the sports book would be
Speaker 1: closed overnight and behind the counter being an envelope with
Speaker 1: my name on it, and it would be a letter
Speaker 1: from him. And Barry was getting the same things, you know,
Speaker 1: slid underneath his door every day and I'm seeze what
Speaker 1: you know? I mean? Now these first of all, if
Speaker 1: you and I have a couple of the letters that
Speaker 1: I've saved if he's a pretty intelligent guy. He's a
Speaker 1: smart guy. And now his last version of himself, since
Speaker 1: he was no longer a Texas Ranger, he was the
Speaker 1: gray Ghost. Who's the great Ghost? The Great Ghost is
Speaker 1: John Moseby. And John Moseby was a m was a
Speaker 1: rebel for the South during the Civil War, and Rose
Speaker 1: Mosby conducted raids on northern position and he would do
Speaker 1: that and uh, and they never caught him, and that
Speaker 1: was one of that's why they called him the Great Ghost.
Speaker 1: Later Ron Mosby while I'm not for having a career
Speaker 1: in politics and all that other stuff. So they knew
Speaker 1: he was, but they never could catch him. So Kevin
Speaker 1: claimed to be descendant of the Gray Ghost. And now
Speaker 1: he was the Gray Ghost, and he's sending these He
Speaker 1: would side every all of his letters the Gray ghosts
Speaker 1: the Gray Ghost. So now you know, I mean, of
Speaker 1: course being barrier getting scared. So now you know this
Speaker 1: goes on for days and now in the base and
Speaker 1: Kevin was a huge baseball nut and all the sports
Speaker 1: was a huge baseball nut. And he used to play
Speaker 1: that app a p B a app bub baseball game
Speaker 1: was kind of like a precursor to the computerized games today. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's no computers back then. It was just you know,
Speaker 1: spinning cards and blah blah blah. Anyway, uh so he would,
Speaker 1: but he Kevin liked the Historical Game. He would play
Speaker 1: that and like he was one of these nuts, would
Speaker 1: play like a whole season, you know, with the with
Speaker 1: an himself and made teams and etcetera, and have a
Speaker 1: whole season. And that she was pretty close to the
Speaker 1: way the actual results came out. They had the Historical Game.
Speaker 1: And one of his things was smokey Joe would should
Speaker 1: be in the Hall of Fame. And imagine that's the
Speaker 1: hill you're gonna die because he would Joe would be
Speaker 1: in the Hall of thing. Okay, you know, I don't know,
Speaker 1: I never heard of smokey Joe would before Kevin. Now
Speaker 1: then one day or we're in our offices and everything,
Speaker 1: and there's about maybe about eight of us, I think
Speaker 1: they were in this rotation. Not everybody worked at the county,
Speaker 1: but it was certainly me and Barry, a couple of
Speaker 1: other people, and Derek was one of them too, and
Speaker 1: he'd be calling it smokey Joe would just struck out, Babe,
Speaker 1: Ruth's playing that out. A couple of you know, five
Speaker 1: ten minutes would go by. Smokey Joe would just struck
Speaker 1: out Taie Cob, you know, and hang up. Like I said,
Speaker 1: back in the those days, we didn't have you know,
Speaker 1: caller idea and your phone right and you pick that up.
Speaker 1: It might have been your boss or you know, somebody
Speaker 1: gone from home. You never knew, so the phone would
Speaker 1: range you pick that up, Smokey Joe would just struck out.
Speaker 1: Willie made. But yeah, I mean this went on. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm not joking for like a couple hours. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: We're trying to run a business here. So I get
Speaker 1: ahold of Bill mckew, Billy blue Belly. And by the way,
Speaker 1: a blue belly is what the southern the ReBs called
Speaker 1: the Northern officers. They were blue bellies. So Bill mckew
Speaker 1: was now Billy bluebelly, so you know, another part of
Speaker 1: the gray goat. So he's calling and cat and that
Speaker 1: the Bill, we gotta do something. You gotta stop this,
Speaker 1: you know. So Bill calls our lawyer and he said
Speaker 1: and tells the lawyer you gotta do like a cease
Speaker 1: and desist or something. So anyway, go to the servan.
Speaker 1: They go to certain favors and then Buried decide we're
Speaker 1: we're still in the calls. We're gonna walk to take
Speaker 1: a walk. So we walk outside just kind of whatever
Speaker 1: we did. We come back. We'll go into Barry's office,
Speaker 1: not mine, and his secretaries on the phone. And I
Speaker 1: could see like her eyes are like wide open as
Speaker 1: we enter in, and you know, she looks at me.
Speaker 1: And I was one of the owners of the County
Speaker 1: of at the time. Um, do we have any comment
Speaker 1: on the Kevin White situation? And I'm saying, well, you know,
Speaker 1: the guys soon us or whatever we know. We we
Speaker 1: don't have a comment. Okay, um oh, the police have
Speaker 1: his place surrounded and it's on every local TV station
Speaker 1: in Rio. Oh for sure, we don't have a comment
Speaker 1: on this now. So we ran up to the sports
Speaker 1: book where I had, you know, a bank of TVs
Speaker 1: and you know, lo and behold there is Chris. Let me,
Speaker 1: let me, let me interrupt you hold it right there
Speaker 1: at this moment. We'll finish that story. We'll get to
Speaker 1: another one coming up in moments storytime with Chrissie Andrews
Speaker 1: right here on a numbers game at fast Is the
Speaker 1: Sports Betting Network. Welcome back to a numbers game with
Speaker 1: Jill Alexander back on the Alexander Christie Andrews, author of
Speaker 1: then one Day, forty years of bookmaking in the State
Speaker 1: of Nevada. By the way, Chrissie, did you know, do
Speaker 1: you remember what the final score of that Bengals Niners
Speaker 1: game was? In? Did the Niners cover that? Just a
Speaker 1: brief a side? No? No, no, the Bengals covered. I
Speaker 1: think there was twenty three to six if I remember correctly,
Speaker 1: but I might be off. Okay, all right, so I
Speaker 1: had that one. I thought I could do this in
Speaker 1: two segments, but every that way I couldn't. So now
Speaker 1: we run upstairs burying, and we ran up into the
Speaker 1: sports book and uh, you know, there he is on
Speaker 1: every TV. Holy crap, I can't you know. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's you know, it's pretty surreal, which we should all
Speaker 1: be used as surreal stuff right now, I guess, but
Speaker 1: this was very surreal moment um. You know, as we're
Speaker 1: watching this unfold, Barys, you know, we should go out there.
Speaker 1: We knew where he lived there they did. They had
Speaker 1: his apartments around it, and you know, TV cameras there,
Speaker 1: So should we go out and maybe we could help
Speaker 1: in some way up whatever we have to do to
Speaker 1: apologize by Barry already apologized on the radio and it
Speaker 1: meant nothing to him, so so so yeah, let's go
Speaker 1: out there. So so we go out and we get
Speaker 1: there and you know, we find like the police, captain
Speaker 1: or whoever's in charge. We tell them who we are
Speaker 1: and what happened is that? Boys, because uh, we're weighing
Speaker 1: you on that at this point there there's you know
Speaker 1: that that's just not gonna happen. So you know, Barry
Speaker 1: and I are standing there and were like those pop
Speaker 1: from a gun and Barry and I we hit the depth,
Speaker 1: both of us. Boom, we dropped like we got hit
Speaker 1: by snipers, you know. Captain, Yeah, relaxed, fellas, it's just
Speaker 1: an arrogant. We're blowing his door open. Okay, thanks. I
Speaker 1: was just the kind of guy you want in a
Speaker 1: war situation. I'd be better off as a hostage than
Speaker 1: anything else. So we hit the deck. Anyway, they finally
Speaker 1: get him and they bring him out. He's in handcuffed
Speaker 1: and uh and like and this is like a said
Speaker 1: line with TV that you got him. You find the
Speaker 1: guy him. You got the Gray Ghosts. You got the
Speaker 1: Grey Ghosts, took your hundred fifty years, but you got
Speaker 1: him the Greg. So they take him away in the
Speaker 1: patty wagon. Then their their interview and the the captain,
Speaker 1: the same guy we were talking to, and you know,
Speaker 1: he just they're asking him what happened, and he's kind
Speaker 1: of giving their run nays yeah, And then they took
Speaker 1: him away. They were calling him he's called himself like
Speaker 1: the Sober Spirit or something like that. He said, yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't we don't know why. I teach at least
Speaker 1: give the guy enough respect to call him by the
Speaker 1: right name, for he was the Gray Ghost anyway, as
Speaker 1: things turned out, And tell me, Eva actually had quite
Speaker 1: a bit of juice, with more political juice than you
Speaker 1: would think um for a small casino like that. So
Speaker 1: you know, Bill mckoe, Billy Bluebelly, Bill mckough went to
Speaker 1: the the powers that be and to listen. You know,
Speaker 1: we don't watch this guy, but he lived back east somewhere.
Speaker 1: He goes because we you know that won't pay our
Speaker 1: head of security just to escort to mcket make sure
Speaker 1: he gets off the airplane and goes home and you know,
Speaker 1: and then we'll be done with it and when So
Speaker 1: that was really kind of like the old West, you know,
Speaker 1: the judge or whoever told him, if you know, we
Speaker 1: just don't want you in town anymore, and you know,
Speaker 1: everything will be forgotten if you just go go do that.
Speaker 1: But you know, and they did, and he did and
Speaker 1: not haven't heard from since, But you were talking about
Speaker 1: some of the things that, you know, what tipped us
Speaker 1: off that maybe we were missing something because he was
Speaker 1: a big fan of the Confederacy and I know there's
Speaker 1: a lot of people out there, okay when always that
Speaker 1: was one of the things that you know, the South
Speaker 1: should have won that war, they should have succeeded from
Speaker 1: the nation, and you know and all that. But like
Speaker 1: I said, you know, he was not a racist. Definitely
Speaker 1: not a racist. A matter of fact, the exact boss
Speaker 1: that he always stood up for civil rights and black people.
Speaker 1: And he had a girlfriend who was like this beautiful
Speaker 1: black woman, you're well educated, and you know, it was
Speaker 1: one of those deals where I don't want to get
Speaker 1: involved in people's relationships, but I always wanted to ask her, like,
Speaker 1: what are you doing with this nut job? You know? Um,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, if they've made it clear he
Speaker 1: thought that the South should have won, the would would
Speaker 1: have been better off the South won the war. Well,
Speaker 1: you know, connect the thoughts that slavery, you know, And
Speaker 1: like I said, this is a beautiful, well educated black
Speaker 1: woman was his girlfriend, you know. So it was really
Speaker 1: a lot of those things that's ever never added up.
Speaker 1: But like I said, we just kinda we were seeing
Speaker 1: it every day and just kind of forgotten about it,
Speaker 1: or you know, just accepted it. I should say, do
Speaker 1: we know? Do we know? Do we know if someone
Speaker 1: like crying Kenny not I'm sorry to interrupt, Do we
Speaker 1: know if someone like crying Kenny, is he long gone?
Speaker 1: Do we know his fate in the end? Actually I
Speaker 1: talked to Roxy, who knew Kenny fairly well. He told
Speaker 1: me Kenny is gone now, yeah, and that that was
Speaker 1: you know Kenny. You know, it was than I think
Speaker 1: I said. It was that game, you know, so that's
Speaker 1: quite a while ago. Heck, I was a kid and
Speaker 1: I'm an old man now. So yeah, Kenny, Kenny's gone.
Speaker 1: Kenny's gone. And Kevin White, just to clarify again, is
Speaker 1: is where now gone as well? Oh? He's gone? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't want to say what he's gone from. What stay. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I haven't heard from him since then, which is fine
Speaker 1: by me, for our for our purposes, he's gone at
Speaker 1: this point, at this point, um, all right, um do
Speaker 1: we'll come back from the break, um, and we have
Speaker 1: a choice of stuff to to wrap it up. We
Speaker 1: can do adventures in bad bookmaking. We can do a prank.
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people like to hear about
Speaker 1: pranks between betters, because it's not all about the relationship
Speaker 1: between whoever is behind the desk and whoever's on the
Speaker 1: other side making the bets. But you have some stories
Speaker 1: about guys pranking on each other. Yeah, I that's a
Speaker 1: pretty quick one. We can do that pretty quickly. All right.
Speaker 1: We'll tell some adventures in in bad bookmaking as well.
Speaker 1: The name of the book, once again, is then one day.
Speaker 1: What is the sub The subtitle of it Chris forty
Speaker 1: years of Bookmaking in the State of Nevada. Yeah, forty years.
Speaker 1: I checked it on I checked in on Amazon, and
Speaker 1: I think not that the book, not that they're sold
Speaker 1: out or anything, but Amazon is concentrating on getting people
Speaker 1: supplies that they need, so it would take you a
Speaker 1: little while to get the book. But I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: we might be hunkered down for a while. So if
Speaker 1: you want to read the book, you know, anybody listening
Speaker 1: to this probably would enjoy it, you know, So I'll
Speaker 1: go ahead and order, but you might not get it
Speaker 1: for for you know, maybe a week, couple of weeks
Speaker 1: or something. Yeah, but it is out there. Then one day,
Speaker 1: forty years of book making a vata. You see it
Speaker 1: on the screen there at Visa dot Com and the
Speaker 1: Visa app, from our beloved Chris Andrews, who, by the way,
Speaker 1: you can follow on Twitter as well. We should point
Speaker 1: that out at Andrew's Sports to us is in the
Speaker 1: middle there at Andrew's Sports for all of his uh
Speaker 1: pithy tweets over time as well. We'll come back wrap
Speaker 1: it up. I'm sorry, Chris, you want to say something
Speaker 1: real quick? No, okay, I thought that was you coming in.
Speaker 1: All right, We'll coming up. We'll wrap it up. Um.
Speaker 1: Then one day at Tribute to story Time, we'll do
Speaker 1: this again on Wednesday. We'll talk sports of the day
Speaker 1: or what we can milk out of it the rest
Speaker 1: of the week right here on a numbers game at
Speaker 1: Visa and the Sports Betting Network. I am a seek Warrior,
Speaker 1: one of the greats from Kevin White. We'll put this
Speaker 1: in podcast form as well for everybody who's listening to
Speaker 1: it on the Beating the Book podcast. Coming back right
Speaker 1: here at Visa the Sports Betting Network. Welcome back to
Speaker 1: a numbers game with you, Alexander. It is the numbers
Speaker 1: game right here at least in these things. Betting Network
Speaker 1: deal Alexander, Chris Andrews guide enough to join us for
Speaker 1: the entire show today again story time during these uh
Speaker 1: very surreal times, Chrissie, I think the most amazing thing,
Speaker 1: and I think it needs to be said about these
Speaker 1: stories is again for those of us who just weren't
Speaker 1: around in Vegas. Then I'm not trying to act like
Speaker 1: I'm twenty years old, but it feels like an era
Speaker 1: that is completely foreign to anything we know of. If
Speaker 1: we are just even a little younger right that that
Speaker 1: weren't there, that can't imagine these characters, and these characters
Speaker 1: a lot of it with corporization. Maybe some you know,
Speaker 1: maybe some casinos have a bit of a throwback, South
Speaker 1: Point being one of them, but in this corporate era,
Speaker 1: it's just it's so amazing to hear these tales, these characters,
Speaker 1: these things actually happened as they did, and you must
Speaker 1: have a little bit of um nostalgia in you for
Speaker 1: those times. I would imagine, oh, absolutely absolutely, And uh,
Speaker 1: you know, listen, I worked one time, I would say,
Speaker 1: for a fairly big corporation. We don't way fairly big
Speaker 1: when I was a golden nugget, and uh didn't work
Speaker 1: out that well for me. You know. Otherwise, I've been
Speaker 1: with small companies my whole life and that just fits
Speaker 1: my personality much much better. And uh, I don't know
Speaker 1: if it's a nostalgia for the old days, but you know,
Speaker 1: you know, for me personally, things were just much much
Speaker 1: better than it was. It was. It's a whole different era.
Speaker 1: And if you see, you know, just take a look
Speaker 1: around you today. You know, as soon as things go bad,
Speaker 1: I mean, these guys are cutting employees, you know, like
Speaker 1: like it's nothing. I mean, they were, you know, ruining
Speaker 1: people's lives, and uh, you know, it's just it was
Speaker 1: different back then. It just it just was, you know,
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, in a lot of ways it
Speaker 1: was better. Some ways it was worse, There's no doubt.
Speaker 1: Some ways it was worse, but then a lot of
Speaker 1: a lot of ways it was better. And you say,
Speaker 1: there's you're you're definitely the world, definitely working on a
Speaker 1: second book. You collaborating, collaborating, Okay, No, I decided to
Speaker 1: take a different approach, and I don't really really want
Speaker 1: to say exactly what it is. Will be a little
Speaker 1: different than the first book. Um, I might talk to
Speaker 1: you privately about what I'm doing, but I don't really
Speaker 1: want to announce it yet. But it's but I'm I'm
Speaker 1: working on it. I'm working on it almost every day. Well,
Speaker 1: especially now with all this, you know, I have time
Speaker 1: on my end. So yeah, I am. I am working
Speaker 1: on it, and uh, you know, I think it's gonna
Speaker 1: be really good. I think it's gonna be interesting, and
Speaker 1: you know, just one of those things I want to do.
Speaker 1: So all right, we'll leave it at that. Um, you
Speaker 1: can tell whatever you want here. You want to tell
Speaker 1: the prank on better to Better, You want to tell
Speaker 1: some adventures in bad book making up to you are?
Speaker 1: We're gonna go all the way through in the end here. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we got about ten minutes. Okay, good, Well, let's start
Speaker 1: with the Frank story. A lot of people really like
Speaker 1: that one. Uh this is when I was working at
Speaker 1: the Barbary Coast and I was working the grade yard
Speaker 1: during football season, and uh so we had like the
Speaker 1: one guy who ran the poker room and he was
Speaker 1: one of those guys that it seemed like every crazy
Speaker 1: finish of every football game he was on the wrong
Speaker 1: side and he'd come in and he you know, can
Speaker 1: you believe it? Can you believe? Then protect that field
Speaker 1: goal at the end of the game. Can you believe?
Speaker 1: You know this? Can you believe that Cowboys blew that lead?
Speaker 1: Can you every time? And he really was kind of
Speaker 1: kind of loud about it, and you know, really we
Speaker 1: all liked the guy. It was. It was a good guy,
Speaker 1: he really was. But this is one of the things
Speaker 1: we just had to hear time and time again. You
Speaker 1: see those kind of guys in our industry, like just
Speaker 1: just think every bad break goes together from every single one.
Speaker 1: So his second inch large. I think I called him
Speaker 1: Larry in the book. Larry was I think I think
Speaker 1: it was from Brooklyn. He was a Jewish guy from Brooklyn, old,
Speaker 1: you know, one of those old kind of ballbuster type guys,
Speaker 1: you know that. Uh, Like I always loved those guys
Speaker 1: and it's like, my wife will do it, yeah, because
Speaker 1: you're one of them. And uh. He would come in
Speaker 1: at night and he said, okay, listen, I want you
Speaker 1: to write me every every game, both sides, for twenty
Speaker 1: two dollars. And I'm thinking, what what the hell is
Speaker 1: he doing? This guy was so dumb me. I think,
Speaker 1: does he have some kind of scam? There's this like
Speaker 1: a tax right off? I mean, what's he's doing? You know,
Speaker 1: want me to write every bet, every game twenty two dollars?
Speaker 1: I write it. You know it's going off for a
Speaker 1: couple of weeks. Finally I asked the one kid that
Speaker 1: relieving me in the morning, I said, what is what's
Speaker 1: Larry doing? What's that? Because you don't know what he's
Speaker 1: going No, I can't figure that. He says when Stevie,
Speaker 1: that was poker manager. And when Stevie comes in and
Speaker 1: starts screaming and yelling about how this game screwed him
Speaker 1: or that game screwed him, he lost the big beat.
Speaker 1: He had a four teamer one and three in and
Speaker 1: then this one outs and he starts seam whatever the
Speaker 1: game is. Larry pulls out a ticket on the other side,
Speaker 1: for two dollars. Oh my god, you gotta kid. And
Speaker 1: then I hung around one Monday morning to just to
Speaker 1: witness this and Stevie screaming and yelling, can you believe
Speaker 1: you foulps through that interception? And you know, and Stevie
Speaker 1: would pull out a pickers on, you know, Denver. It
Speaker 1: was one of those fields. And once I knew what
Speaker 1: the gig was, this was how alarious. And this went
Speaker 1: on a whole football season. I have. I left shortly
Speaker 1: after that. I was going to tell me of a
Speaker 1: year later, So I have no idea Stevie ever picked
Speaker 1: up on what exactly was going on. But this is
Speaker 1: just one of those things where a guy he's blown
Speaker 1: two bucks worth of juice on I think there's fourteen
Speaker 1: games a week. There's twenty eight teams in the league,
Speaker 1: but fourteen times too. He was blown that kind of
Speaker 1: juice every single week just to bust the guy's balls
Speaker 1: every single week. Well worth well worth the juice, well
Speaker 1: worth it, juice on every board, you know, Christie. And
Speaker 1: all these years that we in, all these years that
Speaker 1: we've done this and again, story time was its own
Speaker 1: thing on the podcast and definitely on guessing lines on
Speaker 1: visa as well. I don't think I've ever asked you
Speaker 1: this question, and maybe that just says, how, how what
Speaker 1: an oversight this is on my part? And maybe it's
Speaker 1: asking you to pick your favorite one of your you know,
Speaker 1: who's your favorite child? Is there a story among all
Speaker 1: of these that you like or has a special meaning
Speaker 1: beyond all the others for you, you know, if I
Speaker 1: had to pick one, he said, that's really hard, especially
Speaker 1: you're asking me just kind of off the cuff here.
Speaker 1: Probably my my favorite one was when I was the
Speaker 1: short you know, that's probably my favorite one because you know,
Speaker 1: I figured out what happens and it was not I mean,
Speaker 1: it was not you know, playing You know, you can
Speaker 1: look back now and say, oh, okay, that's but it was,
Speaker 1: you know, not an easy thing to figure out. And
Speaker 1: you know, it wasn't that you know, experienced in the business.
Speaker 1: I was, you know, twenty four years old at the time,
Speaker 1: so I didn't know that much. But I was smart
Speaker 1: enough to figure it out. And I got a rare
Speaker 1: compliment from my uncle Jack. He didn't throw him around
Speaker 1: too easily, but when he said, yeah, you did good, kid,
Speaker 1: Colombo couldn't have done a better job. Figuring that one out.
Speaker 1: I think that that's probably my one favorite, just because
Speaker 1: of how ever it came back and like I said,
Speaker 1: as much as Jack and left, the hated each other,
Speaker 1: which they did, and I don't know what happened except
Speaker 1: if you knew their personalities, neither one was going to
Speaker 1: take a bunch of crap off anybody, and that's probably
Speaker 1: what led to their conflict. Um. But left he had enough.
Speaker 1: He had the class and the honor to say, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's Jack's money, Give Jack money. You know. I think that, yeah,
Speaker 1: that was good all around for all all those guys,
Speaker 1: and I think, uh, you know, start to finish that
Speaker 1: that's probably my favorite. But you kind of caught me
Speaker 1: off guard, so uh, right off the cup, i'd say
Speaker 1: that that's that's my favorite. But there's there's there's so
Speaker 1: many of them that it's hard to pick one favorite,
Speaker 1: really is. Yeah, you know, somebody was telling me the
Speaker 1: other day too, and I can't remember who it was
Speaker 1: to forgive me that that. I don't remember this gentleman,
Speaker 1: but he was like, you know, it was amazing. The
Speaker 1: stories were so good that when you ran out of them,
Speaker 1: because I mean, ultimately there's an end, right like there
Speaker 1: has there's only so many stories you can tell that
Speaker 1: people felt who felt so short changed by Like, what
Speaker 1: do you mean there's no more stories? How can there
Speaker 1: not be? You know? And there's about thirty or forty
Speaker 1: of these and I and they've been told before, and
Speaker 1: and you'll tell some of the ones that haven't been
Speaker 1: told in a while on Wednesday. For me, it's it's
Speaker 1: the Twin brothers with the Minnesota Twins that started all. Um,
Speaker 1: that has been one. But but you know, if you
Speaker 1: asked me to pick one, obviously Crying Kenny is is
Speaker 1: one that's indelible. But for some reason, the story about
Speaker 1: Max the hit man is because it's such a because
Speaker 1: it's such a throwback to that time, right, because it
Speaker 1: has all the makings mafia actual murder. I believe the
Speaker 1: number was fifty three, if I'm not mistaken. Um, you know,
Speaker 1: like that one, to me is the most representative of
Speaker 1: the time that the lefty Rosenthal stories, all of them. Um,
Speaker 1: do you ever just stop and think to yourself, Man,
Speaker 1: what a life I've led? Well, yeah, that's you know,
Speaker 1: the closing line of my book. And I was kind
Speaker 1: of reading the book just to refresh my memory on
Speaker 1: some of these stories. With the closing line of the
Speaker 1: book is I said, if I die today, I told
Speaker 1: my wife and my kids, you make sure you tell
Speaker 1: everybody in my funeral. I had a one hell of
Speaker 1: a life. And that's what I said. I I'm one lucky,
Speaker 1: lucky guy. And uh, you know, you know, let's remember
Speaker 1: hearing Bob Martin and all people said, listen, you just
Speaker 1: want to take a big bite out of life. And uh,
Speaker 1: you know, I think I've done that. You know, maybe
Speaker 1: not always on purpose, and bullieve things have not always
Speaker 1: broken my way. Trust me. I've had my shares of
Speaker 1: ups and down, but as we know, I think I've
Speaker 1: I've had a very lucky life, you know, I really have,
Speaker 1: and I I don't think I would trade it with anybody.
Speaker 1: You know. It's been good, you know, a lot of fun,
Speaker 1: you know, in in some small way, and I was
Speaker 1: fortunate enough to be able to speak to Alan Boston
Speaker 1: for about eighty minutes uh LAS Week, which we aired
Speaker 1: as well. In some way, if if I could just
Speaker 1: have a small part in preserving some of this stuff,
Speaker 1: Roxy had the great idea to put all of your
Speaker 1: story times and give them the audio version of the
Speaker 1: original podcast to U and l V to have it
Speaker 1: as a living, breathing history of of Las Vegas. And
Speaker 1: I think that's something that you'll have to decide what
Speaker 1: you want to do ultimately with it. Obviously the book
Speaker 1: is part of that. Um. It's just awesome and we
Speaker 1: are so thankful once again for having you do it.
Speaker 1: And by the way, people are just tuning in right now.
Speaker 1: Nothing's wrong with Chrissy. He's still with us, he's fine,
Speaker 1: nothing's happening. Uh, he's doing great. But just thank you again.
Speaker 1: That's right, that's right, so appreciate it. The book is
Speaker 1: then one day Chris will talk to you Wednesday. Thanks
Speaker 1: so much, man. Good sounds good.