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Speaker 1: Hi everyone, I'm Rachel Zoe and you're listening to Climbing

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Speaker 1: in Heels for your weekly dose of glamour, inspiration and

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Speaker 1: of course fun. I'm taking you back to one of

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Speaker 1: my all time favorite episodes with the loveliest and most

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Speaker 1: hilarious Nicki Hilton. You might think you know the Hiltons,

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Speaker 1: but I guarantee you will learn something you didn't know

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Speaker 1: about Nicki and her family from this interview.

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Speaker 2: So let's get right into it. I'm so happy to

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Speaker 2: have you on.

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Speaker 1: So I started Climbing in Heels because just like you,

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Speaker 1: I have so many women in my life who are

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Speaker 1: just doing amazing things, have had the most extraordinary careers

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Speaker 1: and done a million things. And our moms and part

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Speaker 1: of families have had major education or next to no education,

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Speaker 1: have had just such different paths to get where they are.

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Speaker 1: But the point of it is, and you're such a

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Speaker 1: good example of it, is that you've gotten to become

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Speaker 1: who you are in a very genuine way, working really

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Speaker 1: really hard while still embracing being a woman and loving

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Speaker 1: that part of it and always being elegant, and like

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Speaker 1: Climbing and Heels is really like you can get to

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Speaker 1: where you want to be and still be a woman,

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Speaker 1: you know, if that makes sense, and embrace what it

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Speaker 1: is to be a woman. But everybody's path is different,

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Speaker 1: and I think that the goal for me is to

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Speaker 1: share with people sort of a little bit of who

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Speaker 1: you are, how you got here, and like sort of

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Speaker 1: what drives you, and like what would have been some

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Speaker 1: of your greatest sort of challenges along the way, if any,

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Speaker 1: because I've had the good fortune of knowing you for

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Speaker 1: what feels like your whole life, but probably just the

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Speaker 1: upbart the second the second half. I literally met you

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Speaker 1: in Paris in two thousand and one or two, and

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Speaker 1: you were so young and always so beautiful. But I

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Speaker 1: remember very clearly being like I actually thought you were

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Speaker 1: her older sister.

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Speaker 2: What I realized over time was that it was like you.

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Speaker 1: Didn't say a lot, and then when you did, it

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Speaker 1: was either absolutely hilarious or it was like just straight shooting.

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Speaker 1: It was like you were saying exactly what everyone was thinking,

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Speaker 1: but no one wanted to say. I always like to

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Speaker 1: just go back a little bit to the beginning, because

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Speaker 1: I like to know who were you like as a kid,

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Speaker 1: because you obviously grew up in this beautiful family in

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Speaker 1: a beautiful place.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 4: I was born in New York and we moved to LA.

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Speaker 4: I feel like I must have been two or three.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so I consider myself a New Yorker.

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Speaker 4: You are born New Yorker, although I was by coastal

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Speaker 3: Is my roots.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you seem New Yorker to me. I'm very New

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Speaker 1: York right, yeah, yeah, everything about you feel New York

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Speaker 1: to me. And and but but not your sister. You

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Speaker 1: seem very New York to me, Like I feel like

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Speaker 1: when you got married and moved back to New York,

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Speaker 2: Me felt like, okay, yeah, that's where she's supposed to be.

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Speaker 1: Actually, So when you were a kid, like, were you

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Speaker 1: this like dreamy kid? Were you like the little girl

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Speaker 1: Were you like like what was your what? Who was

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Speaker 4: I was very very serious, but very girly, very feminine,

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Speaker 3: Her jewelry and the shoes.

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Speaker 4: I was so enamored by it all, so I knew

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Speaker 3: I loved all of it.

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Speaker 1: And did you love like because you come from a

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Speaker 2: Just kind of watching that and living that.

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Speaker 1: There was never any like I'm going to marry someone

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Speaker 2: That was never like a thought in my head, right.

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Speaker 4: No, they my parents instilled a very strong work ethic

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Speaker 4: I was like, I am twelve, or like, you're going

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Speaker 1: At Hampton's magazine when you were twelve. Yes, that's amazing.

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Speaker 4: And I actually ended up doing it for a few

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Speaker 4: the grittiest, most boring menial tasks, taking the traps out,

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Speaker 3: But I know, I just learned so much.

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Speaker 1: Of course, I always say there are students and there

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Speaker 1: very often, but I was definitely a worker more than

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Speaker 1: I was a student a one hundred percent. I had

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Speaker 1: my parents gave me the choice not to go to college.

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Speaker 1: There's a good chance I won't tell my kids this now,

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Speaker 1: but like there's a good chance I would have opted

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Speaker 1: out and started working, because I felt like I learned

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Speaker 1: more in my first year working than I did in

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Speaker 1: of know at what point, So you went to school

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Speaker 4: I went to high school in college in New York.

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Speaker 4: I went to the Convent of the Sacred Heart, all

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Speaker 4: girls athleic school on the Upper East Side, not as

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Speaker 4: glamorous as Gossip Girl. And then I went to the

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Speaker 4: New School. And then I started working immediately, and.

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Speaker 2: What was like, So, here's the thing.

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Speaker 1: You, A lot of people that we know well and

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Speaker 1: probably even more that you that I don't know, got

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Speaker 1: tangled up in a lot of different kinds of trouble, right,

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Speaker 1: And I think the thing is that I'm always in

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Speaker 2: You in Paris and Baron all really turned.

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Speaker 1: Out really well, like really just not lost in that.

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Speaker 1: And I think my sister and I the same, And

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Speaker 1: we came from a town where a lot of people

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Speaker 1: I think just knowing you as an adult, I would

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Speaker 1: never see you lose, like be the type of person

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Speaker 1: to lose your footing. And even as I've known you

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Speaker 1: for this long, you just always seem to have it

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Speaker 4: Ever, I think that I credit like a lot of

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Speaker 4: And I'm so grateful for that. And I think, I really,

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Speaker 4: I know it sounds cliche, but like to me, family

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Speaker 1: A thousand percent, And don't you realize that even more

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Speaker 1: now as a mother, Like don't you just realize like

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Speaker 1: everything I do is an example for them. I think

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Speaker 1: one thing I definitely want to talk about is like,

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Speaker 1: obviously you have a very visible family, right and I've

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Speaker 1: this industry. You've you've touched fashion in so many ways.

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Speaker 1: You've touched different facets of the industry, foot where clothing,

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Speaker 1: you've done shows, you're doing jewelry, like you've written books,

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Speaker 1: Like there's so many pieces of this puzzle. I want

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Speaker 1: to know A what's your favorite? And B I want

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Speaker 1: to talk about some of your challenges, right, Like what

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Speaker 1: I guess keeps you awake at night and like what

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Speaker 2: Like what is it that?

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Speaker 3: Like?

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Speaker 1: Have you had haters? Have you had critics? Have you

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Speaker 1: I'm sure you've had some mean girls, Like I'm sure

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, it's so funny you say that, because yesterday

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I was staying with all these women and lots of

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Speaker 4: how much kinder the world has become, and even just

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Speaker 3: Growing up in.

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Speaker 4: The media and the two thousands, they were just down

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Speaker 4: And they use these girls that the paris Is and

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Speaker 1: But I think it really impacts girls. It has impacted

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Speaker 2: And I think it's interesting.

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Speaker 1: And I think and those shows, I don't even think

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Speaker 1: It's funny because I was experiencing something the other day,

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Speaker 1: I actually yeah, because you actually can't get away with

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Speaker 1: that anymore. And I think it's a really good point

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Speaker 1: was no ramifications for that. And I think now you

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Speaker 1: do that, you say someone's hair is the wrong you

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Speaker 2: You, I mean, you're canceled, right.

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Speaker 4: And for that, I am grateful and happy that my

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Speaker 3: A somewhat kind of world.

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Speaker 4: I mean, we still got a long long way to go,

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Speaker 4: but we are making strides.

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Speaker 1: And so what Okay, So I think, just for our listeners,

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Speaker 1: I think it's important to talk about So Nikki is

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Speaker 1: younger than Paris by a few years. And again I

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Speaker 1: think I, along with many people, have always felt like

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Speaker 1: Nikki was the older sister, and I think now Paris

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Speaker 1: I could not be happy, and I cannot love somebody more,

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Speaker 1: by the way, just the most magical person. It's important

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Speaker 1: to talk about sisters, right because I have a sister,

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Speaker 1: and I think you guys have such a beautiful relationship.

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Speaker 1: I'm very excited to see what you do because I

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Speaker 1: Go enjoy your kids.

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Speaker 2: Bye, Henny.

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Speaker 1: I want to thank Nikki for coming on the podcast

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Speaker 1: I think something we haven't really talked about that much

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Speaker 1: And I think that as parents, one of the biggest

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Speaker 1: And she really does do so much. She works really hard,

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Speaker 1: I've known her for twenty years and I swear she's

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Speaker 1: her mom and just like her sister, honestly, and they're

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Speaker 1: such a nice family, and so I think it's really

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Speaker 1: nice to kind of share a little bit more of

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Speaker 1: who Nikki rothschild is. I still want to say, Nicki Yalton.

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Speaker 1: I want to thank our listeners as well. If you

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