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Speaker 1: Around the NFL Podcast are available for virtual parties. Jeez,

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Speaker 1: I being welcome to another edition of the Around the

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Speaker 1: NFL Podcast. My name is Dan hansis coming to you

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Speaker 1: from the city film The hero In Punker, Mark Setzler,

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Speaker 1: Chris Westling, Greg Rose with all what is that boys? Hey, Aunty?

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we're bad. Sorry, we're starting a little bit late.

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Speaker 1: I had a minor catastrophe in the backyard. Uh the

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Speaker 1: boys again and again we're getting into what is this

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Speaker 1: month three? Or heading towards month three? Week seven, three

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Speaker 1: week seven or eight? Yeah, I don't think calendars matter anymore,

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Speaker 1: but that's probably accurate. I feel badly for them is

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Speaker 1: I want to destroy them, but I also I pity

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Speaker 1: them because they haven't. There's only so much they can do.

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Speaker 1: And we're all in a similar situation. We all have

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Speaker 1: similar sized homes, were all in this kind of like

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Speaker 1: same area of the city where we don't we're not

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Speaker 1: living in opulent mansions, we don't have help. The children

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Speaker 1: can't even go to a park. So I actually cut

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Speaker 1: them some slack when they do things like take the

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Speaker 1: garden hose and then just spray it at full power

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Speaker 1: right against the side of the house, creating potentially a

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Speaker 1: foundational issue because we left them unattended for fifteen minutes,

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Speaker 1: like this is the stuff that that's happening. Uh, Emily

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Speaker 1: and I both work, and that's you got a factor

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Speaker 1: in that we are very fortunate that we're both working.

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Speaker 1: And everyone on the show has a job, and uh,

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Speaker 1: it would be even worse to lose your job, which

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Speaker 1: millions of people have. But it is just another reminder

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Speaker 1: that everyone, unless you are in that one percent, is

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Speaker 1: getting affected by this. And there's no finish line. I

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Speaker 1: can't take it. I need a finish line. Someone's gotta

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Speaker 1: tell me when this is over, somebody. I don't think

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Speaker 1: there isn't over. I mean that that doesn't make people.

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Speaker 1: I don't think of people saying, well, the old way

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Speaker 1: of life is over forever. I don't want to hear

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Speaker 1: that either. It's just different. It's different, but I think

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Speaker 1: there's a lot more comfortable different. Uh that's in the future,

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Speaker 1: and who who knows when we're when we're getting to that.

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Speaker 1: It's gotta it's gotta be different. No matter what. You're

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Speaker 1: not gonna get lines that you like about this, Dan.

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Speaker 1: I think in general, I mean there's probably a lot

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Speaker 1: of think You've probably desire a lot of things right now,

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Speaker 1: you're not gonna get most of them. I'm at the

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Speaker 1: point where I find it funny that a month ago

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Speaker 1: was kind of like, hey, this is different and it's

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Speaker 1: on Zoom. Now I'm kind of like over most of

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Speaker 1: those people and over the Zoom parties. Like I'm totally

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Speaker 1: bored with having a beard. Um, there's no none that right.

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Speaker 1: I mean, the whole thing is just kind of we

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Speaker 1: didn't do a new cycle of ultra boredom, and like

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Speaker 1: I have a billion kids kid anecdotes that are happening here,

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Speaker 1: like a zombie march through endless weeks. Zoom peaked, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so we lost that as well. Now maybe not for

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Speaker 1: like the party set. I don't know, I'm just kind

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Speaker 1: of at the party. Well. There are some out there

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Speaker 1: I just want to choke slam anyone who uses the

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Speaker 1: Stop with the new normal, Like you're safely on a

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Speaker 1: I do the podcast every day, you know, in no pants,

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Speaker 1: simple nature of some aspects of it. I don't need

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Speaker 1: we're getting some of the same, the same mark fire

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Speaker 1: where everything is back then? Well, I mean, where are

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Speaker 1: clip that you don't you know, the quote that we

427
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Speaker 1: that we heard, you know, he basically that the wheels

428
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Speaker 1: are are grinding and that he's going to have something

429
00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:39,280
Speaker 1: against the team, and that that basically wasn't too fired up. Yeah,

430
00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:42,960
Speaker 1: all he needed was a reason to expedite the process,

431
00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:45,640
Speaker 1: essentially in play elsewhere, Brett Farve said, And then you're

432
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Speaker 1: you're right about the Tom Brady's father comments. I mean,

433
00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:51,560
Speaker 1: that is Brady and the Patriots not not not ugly

434
00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:54,280
Speaker 1: to the degree of Rogers and Farv and all that business.

435
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Speaker 1: But you know Peyton Manning Joe Montana when he left

436
00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:00,440
Speaker 1: to go to the Chiefs, that was a little messy itself.

437
00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:03,240
Speaker 1: I mean, you're being someone is replacing you. But my

438
00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:05,480
Speaker 1: one thing is, I don't know how we know that

439
00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:08,879
Speaker 1: Jordan's love is a bust until he gets along a

440
00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:12,040
Speaker 1: long leash to play and and that would itself cause

441
00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:15,199
Speaker 1: major issues with Aaron Rodgers. So Ricky, you have a

442
00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:18,959
Speaker 1: take on this whole Roger saga. Yeah, um, lately on

443
00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:21,720
Speaker 1: the Bachelor spinoff listen to your Heart, it's where they

444
00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:24,199
Speaker 1: couple up based on music as well, and there are

445
00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:30,080
Speaker 1: music for It's So Crammy Bad. But Jordan Rodgers was

446
00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:34,280
Speaker 1: a guest judge this week. Looks really like the better

447
00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:37,560
Speaker 1: looking version of Aaron. Well, he got cleaned up. He

448
00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:40,960
Speaker 1: went the whole Hollywood angle, right, But you know they

449
00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:46,479
Speaker 1: went in deep on his family relationship. Um, and that's

450
00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:48,240
Speaker 1: that's all I have to say. That's I saw him

451
00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:51,160
Speaker 1: this week, all right, so there so just to put

452
00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:53,840
Speaker 1: a button on that, Erica saw Jordan Rodgers on a

453
00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:57,199
Speaker 1: reality television show this week, Yes, this week. Carry on.

454
00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:00,760
Speaker 1: I feel like you have information and you're holding back

455
00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:03,440
Speaker 1: from us. But we will get to that another time.

456
00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:06,000
Speaker 1: You're keeping us in touch with the young kids. I

457
00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:08,440
Speaker 1: didn't even know about this show that it existed, The

458
00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:11,600
Speaker 1: Bachelors for young kids. I think it's for like this

459
00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:15,919
Speaker 1: with a lot of free time, are watching what is

460
00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:20,400
Speaker 1: this called. It's called The Bachelor Presents. Listen to your heart.

461
00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:25,440
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, that's it's like it's so bad but

462
00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:29,080
Speaker 1: running out of personal ideas and projects again the cousin

463
00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:31,800
Speaker 1: Oliver Brady Bunch thing here, It's like, what are we

464
00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:37,560
Speaker 1: gonna do here? J Jordan Rodgers was, you know, dancing

465
00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:39,600
Speaker 1: during one of their performances and he's like, I could

466
00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:44,480
Speaker 1: feel your chemistry on stage and then he was like,

467
00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:50,240
Speaker 1: I hate Aaron Rodgers. This is a lot of comment.

468
00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:53,119
Speaker 1: Read a book, crack a book open once in a while,

469
00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:55,960
Speaker 1: put the reality shows away. It's all I'm gonna say

470
00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:59,119
Speaker 1: for everyone watching these shows to the point where, okay,

471
00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:01,840
Speaker 1: you watched the bad sir, but that wasn't enough. Now

472
00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:05,000
Speaker 1: you need the Bachelor cast off with cousin Oliver West.

473
00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:09,080
Speaker 1: Get off your high horse. I just finished a big

474
00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:14,119
Speaker 1: book and yesterday I listened to jazz while I played cards.

475
00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:16,720
Speaker 1: And if I want to literally relax with the glass

476
00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:19,320
Speaker 1: of wine and wash some stupid TV, you can shove

477
00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:27,639
Speaker 1: it right where the sun's don't shine. I love it silent.

478
00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:29,480
Speaker 1: I mean, what are you gonna do. You can't help

479
00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:33,080
Speaker 1: people who won't help themselves. Oh my god, I'll destroy you,

480
00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:35,960
Speaker 1: all right. And what I don't think, I don't see.

481
00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:41,520
Speaker 1: I think she was talking about cornhole. Remember when we

482
00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:44,240
Speaker 1: used to play cornhole? Remember least each other in the

483
00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:48,119
Speaker 1: same area. And I remember fred eggs and cheers. I

484
00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:52,120
Speaker 1: remember Stop your life, man, that was awesome. I only

485
00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:57,680
Speaker 1: read books, all right, Erica, stop making trouble. Scram that's

486
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Speaker 1: what she's still in the screen, by the way, bye,

487
00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:03,119
Speaker 1: all right, that's what's happening in the news. All right,

488
00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:08,600
Speaker 1: let's get right to it. Um pressure points under pressure.

489
00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:12,280
Speaker 1: Can I do it? Everyone's counting on me. I can't

490
00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:16,400
Speaker 1: let them down. Players who in the post free agency,

491
00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:21,280
Speaker 1: post draft landscape. Did I explain that before the show

492
00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:23,440
Speaker 1: started or after. Except's not gonna make sense to people

493
00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:26,119
Speaker 1: if they don't. You did, you did? I said it

494
00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:28,399
Speaker 1: during the show. It was yeah, it was part of

495
00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:32,920
Speaker 1: our show. Shut up. Um. I had a cousin, or

496
00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:35,360
Speaker 1: I still have a cousin, Jimmy. We'd play whiffleball, all

497
00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:39,199
Speaker 1: the cousins, and he was susceptible to mental games. So

498
00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:41,080
Speaker 1: when we when he was at the plate in a

499
00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:44,360
Speaker 1: big spot in the whiffleball game, we the opposing team

500
00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:47,359
Speaker 1: would just start to like very kind of under our breath,

501
00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:48,920
Speaker 1: but loud enough that he could hear in the batter's

502
00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:53,600
Speaker 1: box say things like pressure, pressure, everyone's counting at me. Wait,

503
00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:57,879
Speaker 1: how old is cousin? Jimmy was probably seven? You know,

504
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Speaker 1: here are any running train on his psyche? I mean

505
00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:05,840
Speaker 1: we were ten, you know, nine, But uh and uh,

506
00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:07,960
Speaker 1: sometimes it would it would get to him and he

507
00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:11,240
Speaker 1: would get out of his mindset and struggle and you

508
00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:13,440
Speaker 1: know what was you should you should agree? I mean,

509
00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:15,840
Speaker 1: you grew up in a house with what seven other boys?

510
00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:19,000
Speaker 1: Six other boys? I mean, I'm sure that stuff happened

511
00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:21,159
Speaker 1: all the time, everybody knew what buttons to push and

512
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:24,480
Speaker 1: how to get ahead, especially in sports. I think which

513
00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:27,399
Speaker 1: buttons to push is very well said. I don't know

514
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Speaker 1: that we ever picked on one of the others for

515
00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:35,439
Speaker 1: being like mentally deficient or psychologically mentally deficient. He was

516
00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:40,119
Speaker 1: just susceptible to that level. Right now, does he have

517
00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:45,280
Speaker 1: very successful Okay? Yeah, I think in backyard like whiffleball,

518
00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:48,159
Speaker 1: there aren't as many like pressure moments as there might be.

519
00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:50,680
Speaker 1: Saying in the World Series. I mean if yeah, if

520
00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:54,720
Speaker 1: you're feeling if he's feeling pressure, then sports probably is

521
00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:57,040
Speaker 1: not going to be the avenue he he goes down,

522
00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:01,480
Speaker 1: you know, are probably not for you taking bullets all

523
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Speaker 1: over the body. I still whe of O. I think

524
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Speaker 1: of the west household in West Cincinnati. I just think

525
00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:09,399
Speaker 1: about Mama Westling bringing home that t bone and just

526
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:11,600
Speaker 1: throwing it to the bottom of depths, and then the

527
00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:13,840
Speaker 1: boys just fighting for it and tearing it apart. That

528
00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:16,040
Speaker 1: was more like the bucket of peanut butter, not a

529
00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:20,760
Speaker 1: t bone. Today when we get together with you, please,

530
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:23,280
Speaker 1: my best friend was was a brick. Was a brick.

531
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Speaker 1: My favorite toy was a stick in a wheel Erica

532
00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:32,400
Speaker 1: Erica just came in to laugh on the screen. All right,

533
00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:35,320
Speaker 1: let's get to it. You know what, West you and

534
00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:38,360
Speaker 1: I've we've met all your brothers. They're all we're almost

535
00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:41,200
Speaker 1: all of them, all well adjusted men for the most part.

536
00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:43,200
Speaker 1: And I think that that helped them grow, didn't it.

537
00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:47,560
Speaker 1: That a lot of character and politicians, a lot of

538
00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:51,680
Speaker 1: character building and great parents, great parenting there. So yeah,

539
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:55,560
Speaker 1: no complaints. I'm just continuous now to annoy Greg. Now, wait,

540
00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:57,320
Speaker 1: why are you? Why would it be annoying me? I

541
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Speaker 1: would want to I would. I would welcome a Westling

542
00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:02,520
Speaker 1: brother podcast. I love it. Greg's almost like the eighth

543
00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:07,360
Speaker 1: Westling brother. I mean, you've been you've been missing one

544
00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:09,200
Speaker 1: for a while. I could just you know, step in.

545
00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:12,200
Speaker 1: Greg would fit in well. Everybody talking over the other,

546
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:14,560
Speaker 1: shouting each other down, it would be Greg would fit

547
00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:17,719
Speaker 1: in perfectly with the Western Greg lobbying to replace one

548
00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:19,760
Speaker 1: of the brothers who's in a bit of a tough

549
00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:23,719
Speaker 1: position right now. That's saying he hasn't been you know,

550
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:27,680
Speaker 1: you know, carrying his weight lately. That's all. We'll have

551
00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:32,120
Speaker 1: a chance, depends what other people say. All right, let's

552
00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:36,560
Speaker 1: get to it. Who's under pressure who's facing um an

553
00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:40,040
Speaker 1: added level of pressure now that the draft and the

554
00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:43,040
Speaker 1: free agency uh periods of ended. Greg get us going,

555
00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:46,800
Speaker 1: all right, I'm gonna start in Washington. Feel like we

556
00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:49,360
Speaker 1: have not talked about the Washington football team at all.

557
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:54,160
Speaker 1: How about UM, Dwayne Haskins and Scott Turner. Remember Dwayne Haskins,

558
00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:57,360
Speaker 1: I mean he was taking about five rounds before Gardner

559
00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:01,320
Speaker 1: Minshew and UM. I feel like this point, everyone's already

560
00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:03,160
Speaker 1: given up on Haskins, even though he was the top

561
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:05,320
Speaker 1: sixteen pick and he at least at some moments, I

562
00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:07,760
Speaker 1: don't think you could throw away his career because of

563
00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:11,280
Speaker 1: a rough rookie start. They are under pressure because you know,

564
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Speaker 1: they take Chase Young in the first round. They they

565
00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:18,360
Speaker 1: take a couple of flyers on offensive guys, Antonio Gibson,

566
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Speaker 1: who's kind of like a running back wide receiver type,

567
00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:23,680
Speaker 1: but they trade away Trent Williams. And you have a

568
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Speaker 1: first time coordinator in Scott Turner, and you have Dwayne Haskins,

569
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Speaker 1: and your skill position group is Terry McLaurin, Kelvin Harmon

570
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Speaker 1: and Trey Quinn, who was kind of an intriguing young

571
00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:37,680
Speaker 1: receiver group. But it's a new offense and a young

572
00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:41,000
Speaker 1: quarterback who's gonna try to make all of those guys better.

573
00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:44,080
Speaker 1: You still have Adrian Peterson and geiss As you're running

574
00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:46,640
Speaker 1: game like they're gonna have to go out there and

575
00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:49,400
Speaker 1: try to come I forgot about that guy in and

576
00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:53,160
Speaker 1: survive in in a year where teams are just loaded

577
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Speaker 1: on offense, and it's like, here you go, Haskins, prove

578
00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:58,240
Speaker 1: us wrong, because if not, you're gonna get benched. For

579
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Speaker 1: For Kyle Allen, who we brought over from Carolina, that's

580
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:02,640
Speaker 1: a good one. He was on my list to Greg,

581
00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:06,560
Speaker 1: Haskins simply has to take a big step forward. And yeah,

582
00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:10,280
Speaker 1: we look at the rookie quarterbacks. They deserve that time

583
00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:12,960
Speaker 1: too if you believe in them, and especially at their

584
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:15,480
Speaker 1: premium pick. I feel like you can't bury him for

585
00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:18,040
Speaker 1: having a tough rookie year. But the thing with Haskins is,

586
00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:20,520
Speaker 1: and whether it was fair or not, there was that

587
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:24,200
Speaker 1: chatter that he might not love it, that he might

588
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:26,160
Speaker 1: not live and breathe this, that he might not be

589
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:28,680
Speaker 1: working as hard as he has to work. So if

590
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:31,120
Speaker 1: that's actually a little bit of a concern in that building,

591
00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:34,520
Speaker 1: he needs to rectify that and show them that he

592
00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:36,600
Speaker 1: lives and breathes it and will put in the work

593
00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:38,720
Speaker 1: to be a true star. Otherwise they're just gonna move on.

594
00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:42,120
Speaker 1: They're gonna go get somebody else with different leadership. The

595
00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:44,880
Speaker 1: only thing I'd say is Scott Turner spent a couple

596
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:48,040
Speaker 1: of months watching every snap of Haskins and whether you

597
00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:50,120
Speaker 1: believe Ron Rivera or not, and I think Chase Young

598
00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:52,240
Speaker 1: has a lot to do with it. He said recently

599
00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:56,480
Speaker 1: in a conference call that there was literally zero contemplation

600
00:31:56,560 --> 00:31:58,560
Speaker 1: around taking a quarterback. So I don't know if that

601
00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:01,840
Speaker 1: means because of Chase Young there was no debate um

602
00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:04,520
Speaker 1: or were they liked enough of what they saw from

603
00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:06,560
Speaker 1: Haskins in an offense that looked like it was shot

604
00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:09,320
Speaker 1: out of nineteen thirty two where they wanted to which

605
00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:11,800
Speaker 1: I loved. Finished games in an hour and forty five

606
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:14,320
Speaker 1: minutes by running the ball sixty times, So it's not

607
00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:18,360
Speaker 1: really wasn't really a showcase scenario for Haskins. But jury

608
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:21,000
Speaker 1: is out, it would be interesting to watch the other

609
00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:23,680
Speaker 1: side of the ball at at pass rusher after dracing

610
00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:26,720
Speaker 1: drafting Chase Young. Ryan Carragan is going to be thirty

611
00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:29,520
Speaker 1: two years old and has a real good shot at

612
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:32,400
Speaker 1: clear in one hundred sacks for his career. Quietly they

613
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:36,000
Speaker 1: draft Montes Sweat last year in the first round. Who's

614
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:38,560
Speaker 1: getting bench for Chase Young to play? I guess they'll

615
00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:41,400
Speaker 1: find a way for everyone to get snaps, But I

616
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:44,080
Speaker 1: have a feeling Sweat and Carragan might be splitting those snaps.

617
00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:48,600
Speaker 1: And one last thing, and we we reported on this

618
00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:52,480
Speaker 1: and wrote it up on NFL dot com Today. Ron Rivera,

619
00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:58,880
Speaker 1: the Redskins coach, uh told Good Morning Football that the

620
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:02,680
Speaker 1: idea of Cam Newton following him to Washington. Quote depends

621
00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:06,040
Speaker 1: on the circumstances that, to me, would be the last

622
00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:08,520
Speaker 1: thing you'd want to do. You might as well. You

623
00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:10,480
Speaker 1: might as well punt on Haskins. Now, if you bring

624
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:13,840
Speaker 1: Newton in that building, and I guess I'm of two minds.

625
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:16,200
Speaker 1: You want to get the best play possible and and

626
00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:19,160
Speaker 1: have the best quarterback possible. But if you bring in Newton,

627
00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:23,160
Speaker 1: you're basically telling the fans and Haskins you have serious doubt.

628
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:25,680
Speaker 1: And is Cam Newton gonna be sitting on the bench

629
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:27,720
Speaker 1: or sixteen games behind Haskins. I just don't see it.

630
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:29,600
Speaker 1: I don't see that as a healthy avenue for this

631
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:31,640
Speaker 1: team to go time with you. But I feel like they,

632
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:34,960
Speaker 1: you know, the experience combining with Cam Newton. They went

633
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:39,800
Speaker 1: and got the Carolina quarterback they liked better, and Al

634
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:43,000
Speaker 1: Smith is still floating around somewhere. The question has to

635
00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:44,880
Speaker 1: be asked, why don't you think the same way about

636
00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:47,760
Speaker 1: Drew Lock and the Broncos as you do about Haskins

637
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:50,320
Speaker 1: and the Redskins. No, I mean, I I get it,

638
00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:53,320
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. I'm of two minds if but

639
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:57,520
Speaker 1: also I guess the investment too. I'm factoring in that, uh,

640
00:33:57,600 --> 00:34:00,440
Speaker 1: the first round pick, what was at the top ten pick,

641
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:05,400
Speaker 1: a top fifteen six that I don't know, you kind

642
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:08,360
Speaker 1: of undercut any belief in him, and Drew Lock was

643
00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:10,680
Speaker 1: a second rounder, I believe, But I see your point.

644
00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:16,959
Speaker 1: There was fair enough, all right, West you go, I'm

645
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:21,960
Speaker 1: looking at Baker Mayfield. Um. With the offseason the Browns

646
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:24,239
Speaker 1: have had. There were a lot of years we had

647
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:27,120
Speaker 1: high expectations last year, but there were a lot of reasons,

648
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:31,400
Speaker 1: specifically the offensive line that it didn't work out. But

649
00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:36,759
Speaker 1: then to add Austin Hooper to add Um, who is

650
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:39,440
Speaker 1: a Harrison Bryant who they got, they had Geddrick Willis

651
00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:44,440
Speaker 1: right tackle, Jack Conklin, Jack Conklin. Uh. They They've got

652
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:46,960
Speaker 1: a whole new offense. They're loaded, and I think the

653
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:49,040
Speaker 1: excuses are just out the window. They even got a

654
00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:53,040
Speaker 1: good backup who. I'm not saying Baker Mayfield can't survive

655
00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:56,560
Speaker 1: a slump at this point, but you know, first round

656
00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:59,279
Speaker 1: picks have been benched for extended slumps, so there is

657
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:02,520
Speaker 1: pressure there. I think the expectations this year they're not

658
00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:05,640
Speaker 1: gonna be as high nationwide, but they should be in Cleveland.

659
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:07,880
Speaker 1: This This offense is more loaded than they were a

660
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:10,720
Speaker 1: year ago, I'd ask. I'd add also that they added

661
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:13,839
Speaker 1: someone in case Keenum, who Kevin Stefanski knows very well

662
00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:17,520
Speaker 1: and trust. So I'm not saying case Keenum is a

663
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:20,160
Speaker 1: prefitable quarterback to Baker Mayfield. But it's not like you

664
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:23,680
Speaker 1: go from Baker Mayfield into an untested Abyss. There is

665
00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:26,040
Speaker 1: someone in a slumps you could lean on. I mean,

666
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:28,360
Speaker 1: it feels to me a little bit like the Browns

667
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:31,359
Speaker 1: and I mentally am doing this too. Um are not

668
00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:34,319
Speaker 1: really being talked about as a playoff ready team when

669
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:36,520
Speaker 1: you see these like teams that kind of killed the

670
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:39,000
Speaker 1: off season they're kind of being left off some of

671
00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:41,560
Speaker 1: those lists just because I think we're human and we

672
00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:45,200
Speaker 1: were totally exhausted with that storyline that turned into UM

673
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:48,400
Speaker 1: total midnight last season. And I couldn't agree with you

674
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:51,280
Speaker 1: more that Baker Mayfield. And there you know, Stefanski noted

675
00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:53,879
Speaker 1: that he, unlike what happened with Mayfield a year ago,

676
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:58,120
Speaker 1: has given him a laundry list of things he needs

677
00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:01,600
Speaker 1: to work on and accountably show that he's made progress on,

678
00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:03,680
Speaker 1: which is not the case last year and a totally

679
00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:07,319
Speaker 1: disastrous UM run team. I just think it was run

680
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:09,800
Speaker 1: so poorly and he was a victim of that UM

681
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:11,719
Speaker 1: But I would I would agree. I would say more

682
00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:14,320
Speaker 1: if you come out of this season and Baker Mayfield

683
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:17,120
Speaker 1: was the problem and not the solution to a stuff

684
00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:20,960
Speaker 1: like a star studded offense, than anything could happen anything

685
00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:23,640
Speaker 1: you hit on it there, Mark, I think the biggest

686
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:26,080
Speaker 1: thing they did it might turn out being sweeping out

687
00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:31,239
Speaker 1: of woefully unprepared and unable to function coaching staff. On

688
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:33,919
Speaker 1: top of it, because the roster even going into free

689
00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:35,960
Speaker 1: agency this year, was pretty good. The line needed to

690
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:38,279
Speaker 1: be improved, and they certainly did that, But when you

691
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:42,000
Speaker 1: factor in the player, the roster improvements, the new coaching

692
00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:43,880
Speaker 1: staff with Stefanski, will see what he can do in

693
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:45,399
Speaker 1: the big chair. But he's a guy who can work

694
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:49,080
Speaker 1: with quarterbacks. There is pressure on Mayfield. But also if

695
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:51,600
Speaker 1: you're a Browns fan, Mark, I imagine you're thrilled that

696
00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:54,840
Speaker 1: they basically instead of um, you know, going in a

697
00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:58,279
Speaker 1: different direction or questioning the quarterback coming off a bad year,

698
00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:00,560
Speaker 1: they said, no, we're gonna build up all round him

699
00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:03,200
Speaker 1: and give him another shot, essentially a mulligan on Twente.

700
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:05,319
Speaker 1: They had a much more organized and and I thought

701
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:08,200
Speaker 1: effective offseason this year than last year. It's just that

702
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:11,160
Speaker 1: I get the exhaustion around that. I mean they're loaded.

703
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:15,320
Speaker 1: They're absolutely loaded. And if they didn't make the playoffs,

704
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:18,160
Speaker 1: it's like Stefanski has done just as bad a job

705
00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:21,520
Speaker 1: as Freddie Kitchens, or something crazy happens injuries, what you know,

706
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:24,080
Speaker 1: things can happen, but they are loaded. I mean we

707
00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:26,160
Speaker 1: don't even mention hunting Chubb. I mean the fact that

708
00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:28,160
Speaker 1: joke who is like their second or third tight end.

709
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:32,120
Speaker 1: I mean that there and unless unless the rookie or

710
00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:34,919
Speaker 1: Conklin doesn't work out, you know, if Will is moving

711
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:36,920
Speaker 1: to the left side. You know, you don't know he's

712
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:39,000
Speaker 1: a rookie that that could be an issue. But if

713
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:41,160
Speaker 1: those tackles are good, I mean they are loaded, and

714
00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:43,680
Speaker 1: they should be in the mix of that second tier

715
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:47,880
Speaker 1: right behind the Chiefs in the Ravens outside of Patrick Mahomes,

716
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:51,560
Speaker 1: is there a quarterback with more to work with right

717
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:55,080
Speaker 1: and surrounding talent? And to that point, if Mayfield got

718
00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:57,759
Speaker 1: off to a slow start, how long is his leash

719
00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:00,719
Speaker 1: with Keenham ready to cook and having a coach that

720
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:04,400
Speaker 1: he's worked with and it succeeded, So there is pressure.

721
00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:07,200
Speaker 1: I'm the kid, But you know what, Mark, you get

722
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:09,200
Speaker 1: the feeling that he's built to handle that as long

723
00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:11,240
Speaker 1: as he doesn't, you know, talk too much to the media.

724
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:14,320
Speaker 1: I think there's a little bit of like I wouldn't

725
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:15,920
Speaker 1: ask anyone to go do this because it would be

726
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:18,880
Speaker 1: a painful exercise. But if you go watch some of

727
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:21,759
Speaker 1: the better Baker Mayfield haves and moments like he was

728
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:23,920
Speaker 1: doing some of the stuff he was doing in but

729
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:25,600
Speaker 1: you mix in a lot of stuff he wasn't doing

730
00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:29,839
Speaker 1: in eighteen, which was concerning Alright, Uh, go ahead, Mark,

731
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:32,759
Speaker 1: you know, I look at Tampa Bay where I really

732
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:35,440
Speaker 1: feel like the last um kind of question mark in

733
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:39,600
Speaker 1: another very loaded offense. Beyond some offensive line issues, is

734
00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:42,120
Speaker 1: the planet running back where they were? I thought Bruce

735
00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:45,520
Speaker 1: Arians openly telecasts that they're going to go find a

736
00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:48,600
Speaker 1: pass catching back, UM, which makes all the sense in

737
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:50,759
Speaker 1: the world for anyone that's watched Tom Brady over the

738
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:54,160
Speaker 1: last five six years, and they addressed in the draft. Now,

739
00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:56,759
Speaker 1: they didn't address it like in round one or two, UM,

740
00:38:56,840 --> 00:39:00,400
Speaker 1: but they went and got Cashawn Vaughan, who Arian called

741
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:04,000
Speaker 1: a three down back, And they also got Raymond Calais,

742
00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:07,400
Speaker 1: who Arians referred to as a kind of much smaller

743
00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:10,560
Speaker 1: David Johnson but with some David Johnson type skill set,

744
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:14,200
Speaker 1: so neither one of them were like premier pass catchers

745
00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:17,799
Speaker 1: in college. Vaughan certainly grew towards the end um in

746
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:20,520
Speaker 1: that in that area, and someone that Arian sees could

747
00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:23,320
Speaker 1: play three downs. The pressure point for me is Ronald Jones,

748
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:26,680
Speaker 1: who I know West really liked Um moments from Ronald Jones.

749
00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:28,560
Speaker 1: I thought they had a really good running back there,

750
00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:31,239
Speaker 1: and I just don't see Um how he fits in.

751
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:34,920
Speaker 1: And other than anything but a really reduced um stable

752
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:37,400
Speaker 1: unless these rookies don't work out. But I mean the

753
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:39,560
Speaker 1: pass catching side of this. If they want to give

754
00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:42,480
Speaker 1: Tom Brady the kind of offense that he would desire,

755
00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:44,680
Speaker 1: I think matters a lot because you look at James

756
00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:47,560
Speaker 1: White and he wasn't just prolific. He caught nearly two

757
00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:50,520
Speaker 1: hundred passes in the regular season over the last two

758
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:54,000
Speaker 1: years and another twenty five in the playoffs. So if

759
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:56,440
Speaker 1: this is a big part of their offense, you're looking

760
00:39:56,480 --> 00:40:00,919
Speaker 1: at some developing question marks on how it all plays out. Yeah,

761
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:03,560
Speaker 1: i'd see Ronald Jones is sort of the Sony Michelle there.

762
00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:07,239
Speaker 1: He's gonna play on running downs. It wasn't just that

763
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:09,160
Speaker 1: I was happy with the way he ran. The coaching

764
00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:11,200
Speaker 1: staff was happy with the way way he ran and

765
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:14,120
Speaker 1: said as much. But he they don't trust him in

766
00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:16,319
Speaker 1: the passing game. They just don't trust him to keep

767
00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:20,440
Speaker 1: tom Brady um clean back there. So it wouldn't surprise

768
00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:22,759
Speaker 1: me to see those rookies play ahead of him on

769
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:25,480
Speaker 1: passing downs. Wait, I mean tom Brady coaches up the

770
00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:27,520
Speaker 1: running backs and the receivers. I think that you know

771
00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:30,520
Speaker 1: and and if he doesn't trust you, then he disposes

772
00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:33,120
Speaker 1: of you quickly. But he has had one of those

773
00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:36,759
Speaker 1: guys next to him his entire career, whether it was

774
00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:39,960
Speaker 1: Kevin Falk, I mean, whether it's Ben Jarvis green Ellis

775
00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:41,560
Speaker 1: for a little bit, they are they all weren't stars.

776
00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:43,840
Speaker 1: But then it's Danny Woodhead and James White like the

777
00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:46,400
Speaker 1: guys that he ends up choosing, and usually there's like

778
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:48,480
Speaker 1: a couple in the mix. And then like it's it's

779
00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:50,759
Speaker 1: the one who can pass protect and he's the one

780
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:53,399
Speaker 1: who can think the same way Brady as and I'm

781
00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:56,480
Speaker 1: sure he's gonna be anxious to get on the field

782
00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:59,399
Speaker 1: with these guys like Keyshawan von because like if if

783
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:02,080
Speaker 1: you only have or four weeks, that that's something that

784
00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:05,160
Speaker 1: that's going to hurt the young skill position players really

785
00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:10,200
Speaker 1: at every position. Uh, let me close it with the

786
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:15,080
Speaker 1: entire team, the Buffalo Bills. I'll narrow it down a

787
00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:18,359
Speaker 1: little bit in a bit, but think about where they're

788
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:22,279
Speaker 1: at right now, and think about their roster in comparison

789
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:24,480
Speaker 1: to the other rosters in the a f C East

790
00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:27,920
Speaker 1: and a draft that was successful before it even began

791
00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:31,239
Speaker 1: because you filled a huge need, uh in a number

792
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:35,520
Speaker 1: one ish wide receiver with Stefan Diggs that costs you

793
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:38,720
Speaker 1: your first round pick and then they add a second

794
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:42,319
Speaker 1: round pick that everybody seems to love, a j Epenenza

795
00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:47,560
Speaker 1: et Penessa, a Penzaza that could mitigate some of the

796
00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:50,759
Speaker 1: concerns people had about the defensive line being weakened with

797
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:54,759
Speaker 1: the loss of Shack Lawson and others. I think that

798
00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:57,840
Speaker 1: this team is going to be dealing with something that

799
00:41:57,960 --> 00:42:02,200
Speaker 1: this organization hasn't really had to deal with in multiple decades,

800
00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:06,120
Speaker 1: which is expectations. You're expected You're gonna be expected to

801
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:08,880
Speaker 1: dethrone the New England Patriots. And it's not gonna be

802
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:11,440
Speaker 1: like can they do it? People are gonna expect them

803
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:15,320
Speaker 1: to do it, and teams have wilted under less pressure

804
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:17,759
Speaker 1: in the past. And this idea that you need to

805
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:20,359
Speaker 1: be better than they went ten at six last year.

806
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:22,320
Speaker 1: They need to be better than that for the season

807
00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:25,839
Speaker 1: to be successful, I think. And I'll narrow it down

808
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:29,040
Speaker 1: to the quarterback and Josh Allen, who we've talked about

809
00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:31,399
Speaker 1: a lot. Some people believe in him more than others.

810
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:33,920
Speaker 1: The Bills fans certainly do. I think we were all

811
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:36,080
Speaker 1: a little spooked by his performance in the second half

812
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:40,120
Speaker 1: of that playoff loss to the Texans. But it's interesting

813
00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:44,359
Speaker 1: that they went and got that guy Jake from UH

814
00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:47,600
Speaker 1: from Georgia who fell to the fifth round and was

815
00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:50,080
Speaker 1: seen by many as a great move by the Bills

816
00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:54,279
Speaker 1: because from had a much higher UM draft stock. People

817
00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:58,640
Speaker 1: thought going into the game the draft, what happens if

818
00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:01,719
Speaker 1: Alan plat toes, which I think is a coin flip.

819
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:04,560
Speaker 1: To be quite honest, I I would not be shocked

820
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:07,520
Speaker 1: at off. Josh Allen is not the man like they

821
00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:13,920
Speaker 1: want him to be. With a new backup quarterback with expectations,

822
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:18,040
Speaker 1: there is the possibility of pressure getting to this team.

823
00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:20,960
Speaker 1: Or they got thirteen and three and they they are

824
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:22,800
Speaker 1: the new dogs in the a f C East. But

825
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:26,880
Speaker 1: we shall see. MH. They have to play better than

826
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:29,040
Speaker 1: last year. I don't think they were as good as

827
00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:32,200
Speaker 1: their record. You're not gonna have. The Jets and Dolphins

828
00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:34,360
Speaker 1: at times last year were so bad as to be

829
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:37,880
Speaker 1: non competitive. I don't see that happening again. Um they

830
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:41,360
Speaker 1: had a pretty easy schedule this team. I think the

831
00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:44,120
Speaker 1: next step is you can't tell yourself you're gonna win

832
00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:47,080
Speaker 1: games with eight teen points. You gotta start scoring twenty

833
00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:50,080
Speaker 1: five or more regularly in order to be what you

834
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:52,680
Speaker 1: say that they think they are or what they The

835
00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:54,880
Speaker 1: pressure will be to be the favorites in the East.

836
00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:57,200
Speaker 1: If you're gonna knock off the Patriots, you can't be

837
00:43:57,320 --> 00:44:00,400
Speaker 1: an eighteen to twenty point offense into the credit. I

838
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:02,960
Speaker 1: think they knew that and they've they've built up their offense.

839
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:04,600
Speaker 1: I mean that that's why you make the move for

840
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:07,480
Speaker 1: Stefan Diggs. You know they've they've done such a good

841
00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:09,800
Speaker 1: job that they brought back the entire offensive line, but

842
00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:13,120
Speaker 1: they have some depth there. They've got depth throughout the roster.

843
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:15,680
Speaker 1: I mean it looks great. It really does look great

844
00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:18,600
Speaker 1: on paper, and Alan doesn't have to play much better.

845
00:44:18,719 --> 00:44:21,719
Speaker 1: Even as much as I've been on him, I think

846
00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:25,360
Speaker 1: he's a functional NFL quarterback. I just questioned, like the

847
00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:28,640
Speaker 1: the upside and whether he's ever gonna whether he's gonna

848
00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:30,520
Speaker 1: be better than average. But if he, if he plays

849
00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:33,920
Speaker 1: this year next you like he did last year, like

850
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:36,040
Speaker 1: they should win games. The schedule is a is a

851
00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:38,080
Speaker 1: big part of it. And to your point, then the

852
00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:40,879
Speaker 1: expectations can't you know, what, how do you handle being

853
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:42,600
Speaker 1: two and three because you're not going to be piling

854
00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:44,680
Speaker 1: up wins over the Redskins and Giants like the the

855
00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:47,239
Speaker 1: a f C schedule just worked out for everyone. The

856
00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:49,399
Speaker 1: Patriots weren't as good as the record, the Jets weren't

857
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:51,440
Speaker 1: as good as the record, the Dolphins weren't as good

858
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:53,560
Speaker 1: as the record, and this year it looks a lot

859
00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:57,480
Speaker 1: tougher on paper. Well, I was gonna say one strength

860
00:44:57,560 --> 00:45:00,160
Speaker 1: they have is to me, Sean McDermott. I mean, it's

861
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:03,160
Speaker 1: easy to forget he tugged a pretty bad Bills team

862
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:06,840
Speaker 1: in the playoffs three years ago, and there's been a consistent,

863
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:09,640
Speaker 1: UM I think be line towards success with him and

864
00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:11,840
Speaker 1: Brandon Bean. And you know, there are a handful of

865
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:14,440
Speaker 1: teams that UM would wish to run as smoothly as

866
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:17,440
Speaker 1: the Bills do right now. And to me, they're not

867
00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:20,040
Speaker 1: a team that is, UM. You know, a bunch of big,

868
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:23,319
Speaker 1: egotistical guys are gonna clash and crumble the same way

869
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:25,560
Speaker 1: some others would. I I like what the Bills are

870
00:45:25,640 --> 00:45:27,680
Speaker 1: are doing. But you're right then that is suddenly the

871
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:30,840
Speaker 1: Patriots are seven and one, and you know, with Jared

872
00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:33,360
Speaker 1: Stidham and the Bills are four and four and with

873
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:36,279
Speaker 1: a lot of issues. Then then the pressure starts to mount.

874
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:39,319
Speaker 1: But um, everything that Shal mcdermot's done up from when

875
00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:41,440
Speaker 1: the minute he's been hired, and it's easy to remember

876
00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:45,360
Speaker 1: how tumultuous coaches and gms were in that Bills building

877
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:48,200
Speaker 1: for so long that um, it's I just I see

878
00:45:48,239 --> 00:45:50,360
Speaker 1: the arrow up for them all the way I do.

879
00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:53,600
Speaker 1: They did bring in Stefon Diggs, a guy that you

880
00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:56,640
Speaker 1: wonder how he'll handle a long winter in western New

881
00:45:56,680 --> 00:45:59,120
Speaker 1: York if Josh Allen is struggling. But if you want

882
00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:01,000
Speaker 1: to get any great doubt, most of them are gonna

883
00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:03,160
Speaker 1: be there. There's a diva factor to these guys, and

884
00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:06,840
Speaker 1: either you do you stay away from not everyone who's vocals.

885
00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:09,280
Speaker 1: He is on Twitter and that I'm not that worried

886
00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:11,280
Speaker 1: about it. But do you think they're gonna ask Alan

887
00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:15,319
Speaker 1: to do more this year? Because that's sometimes it could

888
00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:17,520
Speaker 1: be the enemy of success. I'm thinking of a guy that,

889
00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:20,320
Speaker 1: like Mark Sanchez during the Jets, stays where it's like

890
00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:23,360
Speaker 1: we do believe in them, and he's been pretty promising

891
00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:25,840
Speaker 1: this first couple of years. Let's have him throw the

892
00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:27,640
Speaker 1: ball more because we think you'd give it a star,

893
00:46:27,719 --> 00:46:29,960
Speaker 1: and then that could lead to the offense taking a

894
00:46:30,040 --> 00:46:32,440
Speaker 1: step back. I wonder what digs there if they if

895
00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:34,440
Speaker 1: they're gonna put more on Alan's plate, and if they do,

896
00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:36,359
Speaker 1: can you handle it. I think they're gonna throw more.

897
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:38,800
Speaker 1: I mean they have Dawson Knox the tight end, Tyler

898
00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:43,359
Speaker 1: Crofts coming back, you know there. I liked um pick

899
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:45,840
Speaker 1: a running back to Zack Moss behind single time. I

900
00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:47,600
Speaker 1: mean they're gonna throw it a lot. I like Dable,

901
00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:49,520
Speaker 1: their their offensive coordinator has done a good job, I

902
00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:52,960
Speaker 1: think building around Alan's strength and kind of making him

903
00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:54,880
Speaker 1: the best version that he can be. So I have

904
00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:57,520
Speaker 1: no reason to think that they won't kind of um

905
00:46:57,880 --> 00:47:00,600
Speaker 1: develop him that way this year to make him look good,

906
00:47:00,719 --> 00:47:04,520
Speaker 1: like play to his drinks. Over under start with US

907
00:47:04,719 --> 00:47:07,399
Speaker 1: wins for the Buffalo Bills nine and a half. I'll

908
00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:14,759
Speaker 1: take the over, Greg, I'll take the under. But it's

909
00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:16,600
Speaker 1: funny because I'm gonna be picking them, I'm sure, like

910
00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:18,560
Speaker 1: when we do all the little schedules, I'll put it

911
00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:20,600
Speaker 1: that over because I do think they're gonna win. They're

912
00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:22,399
Speaker 1: gonna be my pick to win the division. But that's hard.

913
00:47:22,600 --> 00:47:24,520
Speaker 1: It's hard, like so many things can happen. I go

914
00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:26,640
Speaker 1: under nine and a half for almost every team in

915
00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:29,919
Speaker 1: the a f C except for Greg answer Mark, I'll

916
00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:32,200
Speaker 1: go I think I think there go about ten and

917
00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:34,799
Speaker 1: six again in a different way than they did last year,

918
00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:36,840
Speaker 1: and will that be good enough to win the division?

919
00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:40,560
Speaker 1: It might. I mean, I'm not convinced that the Jets

920
00:47:40,640 --> 00:47:44,240
Speaker 1: or Dolphins are about to, you know, skyrocket into the playoffs.

921
00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:46,800
Speaker 1: I'm banging the under. I'm gonna say someone else is

922
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:53,000
Speaker 1: gonna win that division other than the Patriots. Pats. I

923
00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:55,439
Speaker 1: could see nine and seven winning that division. I could

924
00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:58,200
Speaker 1: see it being one of the worst divisions in football,

925
00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:01,400
Speaker 1: like like it's been for the most are um for

926
00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:05,600
Speaker 1: the last decade. All right, good stuff, good stuff. We

927
00:48:05,719 --> 00:48:10,920
Speaker 1: will be back on Monday. How about that our regularly

928
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:15,279
Speaker 1: scheduled offseason schedule. So we'll be Monday, Wednesday, Friday. What

929
00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:17,120
Speaker 1: is the schedule? At least when is that happening? They

930
00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:21,800
Speaker 1: ninth by by May nine, I mean they keep in.

931
00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:24,719
Speaker 1: One of our reporters said to keep an eye on

932
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:27,399
Speaker 1: the seventh as the date. So that's your favorite time

933
00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:30,880
Speaker 1: of the year schedule at least time. I mean every year,

934
00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:33,719
Speaker 1: it's bad enough they tell you, hey, can't wait for

935
00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:35,960
Speaker 1: these games that are gonna happen in seven months. Now,

936
00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:38,200
Speaker 1: it's like, can't wait for these games are gonna happen

937
00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:43,200
Speaker 1: in an indetermined future. Well, you're gonna have to company

938
00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:46,560
Speaker 1: man this one. I'm sorry, you gotta. I want you

939
00:48:46,680 --> 00:48:49,480
Speaker 1: to write. I want you to lead your article about

940
00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:54,120
Speaker 1: the schedule at least with that. Yeah, here, analyze these games.

941
00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:57,320
Speaker 1: What what do you mean? Analyze them like the place

942
00:48:57,400 --> 00:49:00,600
Speaker 1: in an uncertain future. You have an incredible appetite for

943
00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:04,439
Speaker 1: reading and knowledge. You should know that. Our features editor

944
00:49:04,560 --> 00:49:07,160
Speaker 1: Ali bam Party connected with me this morning to ask

945
00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:11,120
Speaker 1: if I will be again writing the Revenge Games about

946
00:49:11,160 --> 00:49:14,440
Speaker 1: the schedule at least, and I said absolutely, sir, yep,

947
00:49:14,680 --> 00:49:17,399
Speaker 1: I have the easiest schedules, so I'm assuming West he'll

948
00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:20,040
Speaker 1: be ringing your doorbell soon with the request of his own.

949
00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:23,919
Speaker 1: I have to top ten offenses due on Monday. That's

950
00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:29,560
Speaker 1: not that I've got. Yeah, I've got tough schedules. I

951
00:49:29,640 --> 00:49:33,359
Speaker 1: got TOPI happy to write the schedule article as long

952
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:35,960
Speaker 1: as they print what I write, as long as they

953
00:49:36,040 --> 00:49:39,279
Speaker 1: pay you. It's always they print how I write it.

954
00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:42,120
Speaker 1: How about the you know, I do like finding out

955
00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:44,719
Speaker 1: like the Thanksgiving games, and we'll see at least what

956
00:49:44,840 --> 00:49:56,319
Speaker 1: their schedule for the London games. Yeah, we world, West

957
00:49:56,320 --> 00:49:58,319
Speaker 1: stand like I loved when the schedule would come out

958
00:49:58,320 --> 00:50:00,160
Speaker 1: and I'd find it in like USA today and wore

959
00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:03,359
Speaker 1: over it for hours like you that also did nothing

960
00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:07,439
Speaker 1: freezing somewhere West like. At no point in my life

961
00:50:07,600 --> 00:50:11,680
Speaker 1: was a May schedule release that's baseball season like that? No,

962
00:50:11,880 --> 00:50:14,239
Speaker 1: at the point am I pouring over a schedule to

963
00:50:14,280 --> 00:50:17,760
Speaker 1: see what could happen in seven months? Was the simple

964
00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:19,840
Speaker 1: rube and I enjoyed it as a child when the

965
00:50:19,880 --> 00:50:22,480
Speaker 1: schedule release. We all have our likes and dislikes. That

966
00:50:22,680 --> 00:50:26,479
Speaker 1: was never doing it for me downstairs playing with my brick.

967
00:50:26,880 --> 00:50:29,640
Speaker 1: I didn't need a schedule. Ricky West says, we all

968
00:50:29,719 --> 00:50:31,480
Speaker 1: have our likes and dislikes. I'm sure you have a

969
00:50:31,520 --> 00:50:34,320
Speaker 1: take there after what he said to you, but personal

970
00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:38,160
Speaker 1: that felt uh yeah that felt was just shook his head,

971
00:50:38,200 --> 00:50:41,720
Speaker 1: Yeah it was West. Are we okay? Yeah? Hey, watch

972
00:50:41,840 --> 00:50:43,719
Speaker 1: The Bachelor. I'm just not sure you need to watch

973
00:50:43,800 --> 00:50:47,480
Speaker 1: The Bachelor Jr. In The Bachelor, like Part seven in

974
00:50:47,560 --> 00:50:50,440
Speaker 1: The Bachelor, like the whole Bachelor family. To keep all

975
00:50:50,520 --> 00:50:54,120
Speaker 1: these people lining their coffers with money. The Bachelor some

976
00:50:54,320 --> 00:50:58,000
Speaker 1: reduced version of your show space. You guys should go

977
00:50:58,120 --> 00:51:01,720
Speaker 1: back and watch this week's episode us to see Aaron

978
00:51:01,840 --> 00:51:03,759
Speaker 1: Rodgers Brother because it will give you a lot of

979
00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:07,000
Speaker 1: insight for your jobs. So you should do that, all right,

980
00:51:07,040 --> 00:51:09,440
Speaker 1: good idea? All right? Speaking of books, West, I just

981
00:51:09,520 --> 00:51:13,560
Speaker 1: got delivered in the mail today, the Definitive Michael Jordan's

982
00:51:14,719 --> 00:51:20,480
Speaker 1: um biography by Roland Lastin by who wrote that one. No,

983
00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:24,879
Speaker 1: what's the title? What's like the the the definitive Jordan

984
00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:27,920
Speaker 1: book Playing for Keeps? Playing for Keeps by Hard Stamp. Yes,

985
00:51:28,080 --> 00:51:30,520
Speaker 1: that that's the best one. I think that's been overdue.

986
00:51:30,560 --> 00:51:32,399
Speaker 1: I've been meaning to read that one for a long time,

987
00:51:32,520 --> 00:51:37,640
Speaker 1: and obviously the ESPN series finally led to the purchase.

988
00:51:37,680 --> 00:51:40,799
Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to that. It's it's a great book,

989
00:51:40,840 --> 00:51:43,320
Speaker 1: It's and I think I would put that right behind

990
00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:45,480
Speaker 1: Breaks of the Game, also by Halberd Stam is the

991
00:51:45,600 --> 00:51:48,200
Speaker 1: two best NBA books? Mark When are You going to

992
00:51:48,280 --> 00:51:52,200
Speaker 1: break Down? Too Hot to Handle? On Netflix? Well, as

993
00:51:52,280 --> 00:51:54,960
Speaker 1: I mentioned to you that that's that took off that right,

994
00:51:55,760 --> 00:51:58,000
Speaker 1: love that show. And then I got to episode two

995
00:51:58,120 --> 00:52:00,600
Speaker 1: or three and everyone on the show was you gotta

996
00:52:00,640 --> 00:52:03,120
Speaker 1: have a likable person, you gotta see kind of yourself

997
00:52:03,200 --> 00:52:05,640
Speaker 1: and someone even if they're a mess, and there was

998
00:52:05,719 --> 00:52:09,920
Speaker 1: just real quick before we get off the premise of

999
00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:14,000
Speaker 1: two ought to handle sput So it's like content on

1000
00:52:14,080 --> 00:52:16,719
Speaker 1: the on Netflix right now, and you basically it is

1001
00:52:16,880 --> 00:52:21,640
Speaker 1: like twelve to fourteen, like insanely hot, young in shape

1002
00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:25,000
Speaker 1: um men and women put together on some truck tropical locale.

1003
00:52:25,080 --> 00:52:28,400
Speaker 1: Very original, and uh, you know, they are not allowed

1004
00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:31,080
Speaker 1: to do anything physical with each other, but they found

1005
00:52:31,120 --> 00:52:35,319
Speaker 1: they seem to have found like super amped up high

1006
00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:37,480
Speaker 1: libido people where that is like, um, you know, I'm

1007
00:52:37,480 --> 00:52:39,520
Speaker 1: not going to meditate for a month. They simply cannot

1008
00:52:39,640 --> 00:52:42,319
Speaker 1: handle that challenge. And they're all starting to like fall

1009
00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:44,520
Speaker 1: for each other. And then they'll jump a few people

1010
00:52:44,840 --> 00:52:47,680
Speaker 1: and bring in like new if you kiss, it's like

1011
00:52:47,920 --> 00:52:51,560
Speaker 1: three grand. There's a hundred thousand dollar prize, and you know,

1012
00:52:51,760 --> 00:52:56,320
Speaker 1: depending on the act, it's like twenty dollars could be deducted,

1013
00:52:56,440 --> 00:52:59,640
Speaker 1: depending on if they break the rules. What happens if

1014
00:52:59,640 --> 00:53:04,120
Speaker 1: you're into minute depends on depends on the level. I

1015
00:53:04,160 --> 00:53:06,520
Speaker 1: mean the most intimate of intimate effort. I think it's

1016
00:53:06,600 --> 00:53:12,399
Speaker 1: thirty six thousand ortis gone from this thou dollars out

1017
00:53:12,480 --> 00:53:15,759
Speaker 1: of out of a hundred thousand. But then but then

1018
00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:17,719
Speaker 1: like someone has to win at the end, and all

1019
00:53:17,719 --> 00:53:19,600
Speaker 1: the other all the other people hate you be that

1020
00:53:19,680 --> 00:53:21,799
Speaker 1: you have no like stuff. Now, I will say this West,

1021
00:53:22,120 --> 00:53:24,960
Speaker 1: the description is somehow juicier than the show itself. The

1022
00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:27,759
Speaker 1: show I'm a very quick cliff, and I already know

1023
00:53:27,800 --> 00:53:30,160
Speaker 1: you wouldn't watch to begin with. Has been peddling it

1024
00:53:30,280 --> 00:53:33,000
Speaker 1: my way for a while and and I'm like, okay,

1025
00:53:33,120 --> 00:53:35,840
Speaker 1: so how is this different from the other thirteen shows?

1026
00:53:35,960 --> 00:53:39,040
Speaker 1: Just like it? Except you're allowed to have sex? If

1027
00:53:39,520 --> 00:53:41,839
Speaker 1: I mean, the book isn't really reeling me in here.

1028
00:53:42,280 --> 00:53:45,479
Speaker 1: If I was on that and I had my way

1029
00:53:46,200 --> 00:53:48,719
Speaker 1: and I and I got what I want, I would

1030
00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:50,600
Speaker 1: at the end of the show, oh the money, and

1031
00:53:50,640 --> 00:53:53,160
Speaker 1: I just like, that's fine. That was an amazing three

1032
00:53:53,200 --> 00:53:55,279
Speaker 1: months I had on the island. That's how I would

1033
00:53:55,320 --> 00:53:58,200
Speaker 1: play it. Who needs forget about the prize? What about

1034
00:53:58,239 --> 00:54:00,719
Speaker 1: just enjoying yourself on the island? Get Well, you've got

1035
00:54:00,800 --> 00:54:02,880
Speaker 1: to find a female with the same you know, devil

1036
00:54:02,920 --> 00:54:04,880
Speaker 1: make care attitude as you. Some of them were very

1037
00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:07,359
Speaker 1: money oriented, so it's not quite as easy as you're

1038
00:54:07,400 --> 00:54:09,800
Speaker 1: making it out to be. I'm just saying, in in

1039
00:54:10,040 --> 00:54:12,840
Speaker 1: an ideal world, well, it's all they're also meant to

1040
00:54:12,880 --> 00:54:15,000
Speaker 1: be operating as a team. We are discussing this way

1041
00:54:15,040 --> 00:54:17,080
Speaker 1: too long. This is longer than our stegment. This we

1042
00:54:17,160 --> 00:54:22,160
Speaker 1: have gone on way too long. Alright, there's a book

1043
00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:25,120
Speaker 1: of it was. I'll send it to you nothing the

1044
00:54:25,239 --> 00:54:28,800
Speaker 1: book version. There are so many good books, why waste

1045
00:54:28,840 --> 00:54:30,680
Speaker 1: time with the bad one? West? Did? Did you get

1046
00:54:30,680 --> 00:54:33,839
Speaker 1: a lot of picture? It's a you know, like forwards

1047
00:54:33,920 --> 00:54:35,360
Speaker 1: for page, but you know you get a lot of

1048
00:54:35,440 --> 00:54:37,560
Speaker 1: pings West about the author that lives next to you.

1049
00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:41,440
Speaker 1: I did quite a few guesses. At least two or

1050
00:54:41,520 --> 00:54:44,759
Speaker 1: three people got it right, but quite a few got

1051
00:54:44,800 --> 00:54:48,399
Speaker 1: it wrong. Okay, there you go. Did you tell them

1052
00:54:48,440 --> 00:54:52,040
Speaker 1: they got it right? I did? Oh you did? Yeah?

1053
00:54:52,440 --> 00:54:56,840
Speaker 1: See this is this is entering potentially a tricky situation.

1054
00:54:56,960 --> 00:55:00,279
Speaker 1: Now that's how you formed the friendship, West, is to

1055
00:55:00,640 --> 00:55:03,080
Speaker 1: to you know, allow this author that you're trying to

1056
00:55:03,520 --> 00:55:06,440
Speaker 1: get into his good graces. I've just told people on

1057
00:55:06,600 --> 00:55:09,600
Speaker 1: the internet from like Scotland to like North Africa to

1058
00:55:09,760 --> 00:55:13,600
Speaker 1: Middle America, where you live, Well, they don't know where

1059
00:55:13,680 --> 00:55:16,160
Speaker 1: I live. First, they can find that out in about

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Speaker 1: eight minutes. M M. I could find that on Google.

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Speaker 1: Maybe we don't encourage him just saying we have this

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Speaker 1: sign off because Mark said he is somewhere to be

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Speaker 1: at one. I do have to go in anew minutes,

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Speaker 1: so let's go. Where are you going? I have another

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Speaker 1: media thing to do. It's a Brown as a Brown's podcast,

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Speaker 1: and I'm not you know, Mark's doing a nice afterwards

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Speaker 1: when it's available. I'm not sure. You never you never know.

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Speaker 1: Right now, you gotta set up other potential work opportunities

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Speaker 1: in case we get the old You know that's fair.

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Speaker 1: I'm not quite that savvy, all right, this Dan had

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Speaker 1: to signing off four quiet darned the mail Man, the

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Speaker 1: Old Boss and Rick Hollywood in What Hollywood? Rick Hollywood

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Speaker 1: and what Hollywood? Until my day