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Speaker 3: All right, good morning, and welcome to brain Points. We

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Speaker 3: have a government shut down.

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Speaker 4: That's right, walk into the government shupdown.

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Speaker 3: With our colleagues over the ditch this Irish news outlet.

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Speaker 3: We've been tracking US and global weapons shipments to Israel

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Speaker 3: and so now with the government shutdown, those could be

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Speaker 3: in serious jeopardy, right, I.

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Speaker 5: Mean no essential i'm es central services are in I'm joking.

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Speaker 6: Webon remain. Weapons will continue to flow.

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Speaker 5: Yes until morale improoves, Yes, yes they will.

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Speaker 3: So midnight twelve oh one, government shutdown, So This will

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Speaker 3: be this our first one since what eighteen twenty nineteen

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Speaker 3: when Trump wanted some border wall money back when he

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Speaker 3: wasn't just moving actually, and then he lost that and

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Speaker 3: then just took the money anyway, and since then he'd

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Speaker 5: That is really the big distinction between other shutdowns in

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Speaker 5: this one. So we'll get to that break down all

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Speaker 5: of the details. We actually have Democrat Jeff Merkley joining

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Speaker 5: the show to give the Democrats perspective on the shutdown.

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Speaker 5: Then we have Representative Ben Klein of Virginia, a member

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Speaker 5: of the House Freedom Caucus, coming in to give the

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Speaker 5: Republican perspective on the shutdown. So we will have all

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Speaker 5: of our bases covered as we discuss rightward. I think

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I think so too, because yes, and we can talk

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Speaker 3: I don't think either side really has much incentive to

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Speaker 3: get moving over At the Pentagon, Donald Trump and Pete

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Speaker 3: Haigseth spent many millions of dollars flying in a bunch

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Speaker 3: of fat generals, as Pete Hegseeth put it, and ordered

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Speaker 3: them to do physical therapy fat for now and not

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Speaker 6: Be better war fighters.

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Speaker 3: Classic mid level offics are just cranky about is everything

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Speaker 3: just yelling at a bunch of generals. Meanwhile, they're ramping

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Speaker 3: up hostilities with Venezuela with Iran.

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Speaker 5: Big New New York Times report on the intentions in Venezuela.

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Speaker 5: And also we had a little bit of movement on

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Speaker 5: the Iran situation yesterday, so we're going to dig into

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Speaker 5: the details of that. Right the flotilla, there's some interesting

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Speaker 5: developments there.

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Speaker 3: The most interesting development is that there were not really

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Speaker 3: major developments overnight. They were expecting to get intercepted. They're

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Speaker 3: at a place about maybe they're at about eighty nautical

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Speaker 3: miles at this point from Gaza, by which point all

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Speaker 3: previous flotillas have been have been rated. They have not

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Speaker 6: Will also have updates about the state of.

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Speaker 3: The Palestinian response to the Trump Netna who offer yesterday excellent.

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Speaker 5: And finally, we will be drivened by our new friends

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Speaker 5: at the Grain Markets Podcast.

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Speaker 6: Grain Markets Podcast, Love them.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, this soybean fight you have to hear about. It's

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Speaker 5: challenging the right in a lot of different ways. The

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Speaker 5: Argentinian bailout is pitting, as Matt Stuler puts it, two

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Speaker 5: of Trump's key constituencies, hedge funds and soybean farmers against

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Speaker 5: one another. So important fight, obviously for the American economy,

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Speaker 4: In the conservative movement.

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Speaker 6: Yes, indeed, all right, let's get.

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Speaker 5: To the government shut down. This happened at twelve oh one. Predictably,

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So on from the Democratic side, they have demanded so

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Speaker 3: during the pandemic, there was an expansion of Obamacare subsidy benefits.

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Speaker 3: So twenty million people who are on the exchanges started

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Speaker 3: They would say, get it in place and then continue

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Speaker 3: compared to the barbaric system that we had for most

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Speaker 3: And if you can get anything, that's ungodly expensive. Obamacare

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Speaker 6: But it's going to be kind of expensive. And it's

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Speaker 5: Really affordable, the affordable, but.

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Speaker 3: Then during the pandemic they changed that and made it

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Speaker 3: and they settled on these healthcare subsidies. Now, Republicans, why

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Speaker 5: So, because this is what Democrats have chosen to focus

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Speaker 5: on healthcare and we have. We're going to bring Marjorie

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Speaker 5: I'm going to read from the Wall Street Journal that

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Speaker 5: quote lawfully present immigrants, so that would include refugees and

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Speaker 5: what truly were millions of asylum seekers who came into

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Speaker 5: so that would also include some visa holders. According to

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Speaker 5: Ryan that Republicans latched onto that rather than ten years ago.

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Speaker 5: The battle of the decade was Obamacare itself. Right, Republicans

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Speaker 6: Which they refer to in their talking points as illegal immigrants.

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Speaker 5: Which is actually a distinction with a huge difference, and

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Speaker 5: this has been I think a problem with a lot

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Speaker 5: of the Republican arguments on the Biden immigration wave. These

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Speaker 5: to claim asylum. It ends up, you know, you might

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Speaker 5: cross through a wall and then go to across the wall,

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Speaker 4: Right away and make this asylum claim.

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Speaker 5: But the problem, and this is a tangent, but it's

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Speaker 5: useful in this case, is that the Biden administration did

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Speaker 5: was massively expand, from a conservative perspective, massively expand the

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Speaker 4: This was the entire argument.

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Speaker 5: So yes, in many cases, in most cases, as we

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Speaker 5: discuss these subsidies, these are for people who are here legally.

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Speaker 4: You just don't think they should be here.

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Speaker 3: Right exactly, Yeah, boil down the right wing argument, correct

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Speaker 5: Is again which is a massive distinction because the Biden administration,

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Speaker 4: So these are people who.

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Speaker 5: Speaking of Congress and speaking of Donald Trump, we have

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Speaker 4: Let's go ahead and roll eight two.

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Speaker 7: I'm not shutting it down.

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Speaker 8: We don't want it to shut down because we have

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Speaker 8: the greatest period of time ever. I tell you, we

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Speaker 8: have seventeen trillion dollars being invested. So the last person

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Speaker 8: that once they shut down is us. Now, with that

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Speaker 8: like cutting vast numbers of people out, cutting things that

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Speaker 6: Know Russell vote.

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Speaker 9: He's become very popular.

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Speaker 8: Recently because he can trim the budget to a level

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Speaker 8: that you couldn't do any other way. So they're taking

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Speaker 8: a risk by having a shutdown. Because of the shutdown,

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Speaker 8: we can do things medically and other ways, including benefits.

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Speaker 8: We can cut large numbers of people out. We don't

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Speaker 8: want to do that, but we don't want fraud, waste,

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Speaker 6: We've rolling the greatest hits on our social mediaa.

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Speaker 10: I'm just saying that the point about giving people who

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Speaker 10: are here illegally healthcare is not exactly what is in

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Speaker 10: their poduce.

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Speaker 11: It is one hundred percent.

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Speaker 10: Who have legal status, and you're just going to ring

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Speaker 10: on who's eligible. I looked at it actually because I

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Speaker 11: You should study the CBO's analysis that they've just put

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Speaker 5: Because the hates us. Yeah, and they're not wrong, because

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Speaker 4: This is She posted this yesterday.

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Speaker 6: Would just have to be about MTG.

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Speaker 3: She's what a fascinating good idea archide she's taken, and

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Speaker 3: she is correct. Monthly payments of fifteen dred seventy two

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Speaker 3: thousand per month when the subsidies go away are going

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Speaker 3: to be a bloody nose to a middle class that

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Speaker 3: is already suffering under the weight of everything going up.

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Speaker 3: Groceries are up like fifty percent or something over year

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Speaker 3: over year. It's insane, like and people know, like, wait,

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Speaker 3: how much am I paying for just two bags of groceries?

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Speaker 3: And then and then at the same time, the insult

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Speaker 3: to the injury of your coffee is four dollars extra

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Speaker 3: because of tariffs, because Trump is trying to encourage a

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Speaker 3: domestic coffee production industry.

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Speaker 6: Where are we going to plant coke? Where were we going

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Speaker 6: to plant How are we going to get coffee in

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Speaker 6: the United States?

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Speaker 4: No, seriously, how are you gonna do that?

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Speaker 6: Greenhouses?

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Speaker 6: And I think it's got to be drier than that.

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Speaker 3: So and like like, what do you like, why are

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Speaker 3: we just because he doesn't understand things like you have

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Speaker 3: to pay more at the grocery store, and then right,

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Speaker 3: who rolls in and out for the fourth time? And

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Speaker 3: then yeah, who rolls in and out of the oval office?

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Speaker 3: So MTG's like, how about we bringing the insurance CEOs now?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, good crack down, go MTG.

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Speaker 5: And to answer her rhetorical question of why not, it's

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Speaker 5: because they're all big donors. And the same goes uh

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Speaker 5: for Democrats, by the way, and the reason part of

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Speaker 5: what we're dealing with Affordable Care Act wise is that

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Speaker 5: the bill was this hulking mess that had all kinds

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Speaker 5: of it was in some ways this compromise between and

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Speaker 5: in some ways ran an understandable compromise between industry here

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Speaker 5: recovering this at the time between industry and the sort

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Speaker 5: of idealism of Obama about bringing healthcare prices down. But

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Speaker 5: the compromise with industry in a lot of different ways,

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Speaker 5: and that's not completely what we're dealing with now is

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Speaker 5: not completely downstream from that.

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Speaker 4: But for Marjorie.

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Speaker 5: Tayler Green, I think to be jumping in and criticizing

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Speaker 5: Republicans for Healthcare for mean obvious blind spot. Republicans for

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Speaker 5: a decade campaigned on healthcare, did nothing about it, and

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Speaker 5: now never even talk about it unless it's in reference

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Speaker 5: to what they say are quite illegal immigrants just covered.

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Speaker 5: But it's just a massive blind spot that is maybe

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Speaker 5: one of the biggest holes and sources of anxiety in

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Speaker 5: the average Americans daily budget.

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Speaker 4: And they've got nothing.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and just briefly want to keep people updated on

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Speaker 3: the fight over electricity bills, So we could put up

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Speaker 3: a five new research from Bloomberg here showing that as

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Speaker 3: you suspect like that your intuition is correct, in areas

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Speaker 3: you know, where there have been data centers built, electricity

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Speaker 3: costs as much as two hundred and sixty seven percent

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Speaker 3: more than it did five years ago. That's a near quadrupling.

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Speaker 3: Like that's insane, and it's only going it's only getting

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Speaker 3: worse as they continue to build these and as both

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Speaker 3: parties are you know, supportive of these big tech sweetheart

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Speaker 3: deals that basically require rate payers, you know, consumers to

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Speaker 3: subsidize the production of these AI and these data centers,

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Speaker 3: and do not ask Rock about that because then you're

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Speaker 3: just you're you think it's free. Every time you ask

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Speaker 3: him if this is true, you're you're paying stop.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, thanks to everybody for their other questions.

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Speaker 3: Although I don't want to, Yeah, I don't want to

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Speaker 3: encourage it. Like the whole carbon footprint was a neoliberal

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Speaker 3: like ridiculous attempt to make something that is system wide

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Speaker 3: a personal responsibility question. The same thing with recycling, which

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Speaker 3: is fake. I was just almost entirely fake. So I

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Speaker 3: don't want to like shame people for using AI or

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Speaker 3: or grock or whatever. As if you have some like

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Speaker 3: grock footprint, yes, and then if you use less rock

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Speaker 3: that your electric bill will go down because it's a systematic.

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Speaker 4: Problem, as if you have any agent.

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Speaker 3: But also stop with this voting or should you should

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Speaker 3: just stop because it's like an insult to all of

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Speaker 3: our intelligence.

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Speaker 5: Just to wrap a bowe and everything We've alluded to

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Speaker 5: a bit why this is probably in both parties political interests,

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Speaker 5: even if it's not in the American people's interests to

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Speaker 5: have a shut down government. But for both parties coming

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Speaker 5: to an impasse on this, I don't they just don't

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Speaker 5: have many incentives. Democrats are reportedly hopeful right now that

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Speaker 5: actually Donald Trump is the one who will come to

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Speaker 5: the table on the ACA subsidies or the ACA expansion,

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Speaker 5: because he's someone who wants to be able to say,

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Speaker 5: I gave you your healthcare cheaper, I gave you your

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Speaker 5: health care. I fixed the problem with your healthcare. Now

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Speaker 5: you can thank me for the healthcare because of the

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Speaker 5: shutdown aversion or ending the shutdown. I Donald Trump ended

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Speaker 5: the shutdown. So I think we can expect this to

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Speaker 5: go on for a long time. That they're probably correct

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Speaker 5: that that's their best bet at this point, because Donald

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Speaker 5: Trump can basically tell congressional Republicans what to do and

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Speaker 5: they'll follow him, no question about it. But they'll if

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Speaker 5: they let it go on for a few days at least,

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Speaker 5: they'll already start being that they'll already start experimenting with

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Speaker 5: some of these long term cuts that they want to do,

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Speaker 5: and finally ran This is a point that we haven't

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Speaker 5: talked about, but it's what most of the media coverage

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Speaker 5: is focused on.

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Speaker 4: I'm thankful that.

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Speaker 5: This isn't what most of our coverage is focused on

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Speaker 5: because it's kind of a secondary story. But in prior shutdowns,

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Speaker 5: there's just this finger pointing game that gets played in

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Speaker 5: the media, everyone's seeing it as a Republicans fault, as

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Speaker 5: a Democrats fault. And when we were reading the op

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Speaker 5: ed earlier about Russ's vote, saying, well, previously Republicans have

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Speaker 5: opposed these crs and have opposed, you know, all the

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Speaker 5: way that we're funding the government. Well, there are arguments

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Speaker 5: that you can there are always there's always a partisan

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Speaker 5: argument for who actually shut down the government. Republicans can say, well,

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Speaker 5: Democrats wouldn't come to the table, and Democrats can say, well,

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Speaker 5: Republicans are the ones.

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Speaker 4: Who won't give us the votes.

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Speaker 5: This time, it's the Democrats who will not give Republicans

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Speaker 5: the vote, and Rand Paul they need seven because Rand

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Speaker 5: Paul is out.

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Speaker 4: So I'm curious if we'll be able to look.

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Speaker 5: Back on the media covers at this one as an

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Speaker 5: instructive example as to who gets the blame when they're

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Speaker 5: not giving the votes.

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Speaker 3: We'll see and these are called process arguments. Yes, and

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Speaker 3: the public does not care about process, and parties in

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Speaker 3: general also do not care about process. They invent concerns

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Speaker 3: about process to justify whatever their substantial or political demand is.

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Speaker 3: So nobody should really waste much time thinking about that

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Speaker 3: last thing on this, we have a little scoop. Attorney

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Speaker 3: General Pam Bondi just before five o'clock last night sent

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Speaker 3: out a memo to the Departner of Justice which we

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Speaker 3: obtained and which one of the attorneys they are sent

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Speaker 3: to me flagging it as a flagrant what they call

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Speaker 3: a Hatch Act violation, which was a law that is

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Speaker 3: still on the books, which was a lot but does

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Speaker 3: not actually get enforced anymore, which says that the federal government,

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Speaker 3: you know, cannot be used for partisan political purposes.

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Speaker 6: That's illegal.

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Speaker 3: Yesterday, if you went to hud dot gov during the day,

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Speaker 3: it gave you a giant banner that said, sorry that

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Speaker 3: you're coming here, but radical Democrats have ruined the world.

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Speaker 3: Still there, go to hud dock up so that the

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Speaker 3: memo she sent out.

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Speaker 6: As Attorney General Bondi.

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Speaker 3: Unfortunately, Democrats are blocked bing this CR in the US

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Speaker 3: Senate due to unrelated policy demands. If congressional Democrats maintain

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Speaker 3: their current posture and refuse to pass a clean CR

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Speaker 3: to keep the government funded before twelve am on Octi,

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Speaker 3: her first federal appropriate funding will lapse to apartment has

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Speaker 3: contingency plans in place, et cetera.

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Speaker 6: This is the kind of thing.

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Speaker 3: That would have been a five alarm scandal even just

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Speaker 3: ten years ago. Now the full politicization of the federal

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Speaker 3: government has has taken hold, as it's just weaved into

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Speaker 3: this otherwise bureaucratic sounding memo sent to thousands of lawyers.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, like they it's an extra.

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Speaker 6: Bol Yeah, yeah, what does she care? Anyway?

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Speaker 5: Well, let's go ahead, Ryan and bring in a Presentative

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Speaker 5: Benklin of Virginia, who will be followed by Senator Jeff Merkley.

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Speaker 3: You brought in client is a freedom caucus, right freedom caucus,

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Speaker 3: So tell us what.

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Speaker 6: The right flank of the House is thinking.

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Speaker 5: Well, and that's especially interesting giving the Marjorie Tayler Green

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Speaker 5: she's not in the freedom car Saymore's. She's still roughly

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Speaker 5: freedom based, yes, and she criticizes them a lot now,

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Speaker 5: But you know, to have a kind of populist perspective

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Speaker 5: on a healthcare fight is always I think useful, especially

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Speaker 5: since it's been such a blind spot for Republicans. So

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Speaker 5: we're going to talk to Representative Clin in Virginia, and

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Speaker 5: then we're going to bring in Senator Jeff Merkley, who

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Speaker 5: can I think give us some insight into how prominent Democrats.

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Speaker 4: Are thinking about them.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and Merkley, first elected in eight represents Oregon, so

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Speaker 3: we'll ask them about the the federal war that Trumps

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Speaker 3: declared on Oregon yesterday as well. Plus he was that

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Speaker 3: he and Chris van Holland were actually they tried to

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Speaker 3: go to the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation sites pretty recently, so

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Speaker 3: we can ask ask Merkley about that too.

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Speaker 5: And just before we toss to them, they're just the

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Speaker 5: real world consequences of a shutdown. It's many four million

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Speaker 5: federal plays I'm reading, yes, those reading for ABC right now.

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Speaker 5: But people have been through it now they sort of

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Speaker 5: know what to expect. So that includes some service member

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Speaker 5: could go without a paycheck. That actually includes some of

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Speaker 5: the National Guard people who are deployed to places like Washington, DC,

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Speaker 5: potentially to Chicago or Memphis. Hundreds of thousands, including airport

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Speaker 5: security officers, air traffic controllers, and certain members of the

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Speaker 5: military will be deemed essential workers and told to come

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Speaker 5: to work anyway.

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Speaker 6: So I have a.

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Speaker 4: Flight, you don't have to worry too much.

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Speaker 5: Except last time when there was a shutdown, you just

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Speaker 5: get a lot more call outs of TSA people who

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Speaker 5: are calling in sick because they.

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Speaker 4: Don't know whether they're going to get paid.

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Speaker 5: If this lasts particularly long, national parks could close, the

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Speaker 5: Swithsonian could.

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Speaker 4: It's staying up until Monday so far.

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Speaker 3: And apparently, like in the Bureau of Labor Statistics, for instance,

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Speaker 3: apparently about roughly one person is deemed essential, which means

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Speaker 3: if this goes on for a long time, the already

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Speaker 3: somewhat unreliable data that we're getting out of the BLS

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Speaker 3: will become that much more unreliable because you don't have

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Speaker 3: time because you need the workers to be collecting the

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Speaker 3: data on a daily basis. Otherwise you are flying blind

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Speaker 3: in the economy. So stuff like that too.

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Speaker 5: Well, see and broke this morning that BLS nominee EJ

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Speaker 5: and Tony's nomination has been withdrawing.

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Speaker 6: Right, they'll find some other Votso.

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Speaker 4: All right, let's get to it.

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Speaker 5: We're joined now by Congressman Ben Klein, Republican representing Virginia's

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Speaker 5: sixth district. Congressman, thank you so much for joining us.

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Speaker 13: Good to be with you.

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Speaker 5: Okay, so you are a member of the Freedom Caucus

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Speaker 5: and somebody who used to be pretty close with Freedom Caucus.

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Speaker 5: World is RUSS vote. And I'm curious, Congressman, if you

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Speaker 5: could talk to us a little bit about how this shutdown,

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Speaker 5: how Republicans are looking at the possibilities of the shutdown,

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Speaker 5: empowering from their perspective, the RUSS vote and Donald trump

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Speaker 5: efforts to actually make significant cuts while the government is

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Speaker 5: shut down, to go on impoundment recisions and potentially even

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Speaker 5: layoffs of federal workers. Is is that a significant part

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Speaker 5: of the plan that people could expect to see in

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Speaker 14: Well, the administration has its priorities. Our priority in the

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Speaker 14: House and in the Senate with Republicans are to get

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Speaker 14: the government back on track. This is we passed regular

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Speaker 14: order continuing resolutions to keep government running. We've done our job.

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Speaker 14: The Senate is trying to I mean, the Democrats are

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Speaker 14: trying to attach extraneous provisions. But we will hopefully be

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Speaker 14: back up and running. And you know, in the meantime,

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Speaker 14: if the administration is going to pursue their priorities of

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Speaker 14: streamlining government, you know, then I think that's something Republicans

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Speaker 14: are generally in favor of. We hope that they are

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Speaker 14: targeted and that they are in areas where we need streamlining.

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Speaker 14: But you know, I think that Russ Vote has done

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Speaker 14: a fantastic job as OMB director, and I think we

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Speaker 14: look for him to make decisions that are going to

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Speaker 14: help improve improve efficiency and reduce bureaucracy.

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Speaker 3: And so the Big Beautiful Bill, which Democrats are kind

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Speaker 3: of making this shutdown fight about, included significant tax cuts

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Speaker 3: tilted towards the wealthy, and to pay for some of that,

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Speaker 3: there were significant cuts to Medicaid and then to Obamacare subsidies,

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Speaker 3: which Democrats say, and I think there's actually a lot

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Speaker 3: of datata back this up is going to be really

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Speaker 3: brutal for hospitals, in particular in rural America. Are you

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Speaker 3: seeing any pressure from your constituents who were concerned about

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Speaker 3: hospital hospital closures?

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Speaker 14: Well, my district voted for President Trump, voted for the

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Speaker 14: Trump Agenda, voted for Republican control in the House and

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Speaker 14: in the Senate. So you know, what we are doing

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Speaker 14: is delivering on the agenda that the voters voted for.

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Speaker 14: And so when we passed the Big Beautiful Bill, we

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Speaker 14: passed included language that would eliminate waste fraud abuse in

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Speaker 14: Medicaid by putting in place common sense work requirements, by

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Speaker 14: streamlining snap benefits to make sure that they're not duplication,

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Speaker 14: that there's not people who shouldn't be on food stamps

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Speaker 14: getting food stamps. All of that is the Democrats are

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Speaker 14: seeking to roll back the election of last November and

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Speaker 14: say it didn't really happen. Our agenda is the agenda

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Speaker 14: that people voted for and want. So we want more bureaucracy,

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Speaker 14: more waste, fraud and abuse, and more excess spending on

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Speaker 14: pet projects like healthcare funding in California for illegal immigrants.

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Speaker 5: Well, yeah, I was just going to ask, so if

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Speaker 5: Democrats dropped, and that's seems right now to be a

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Speaker 5: big if. If Democrats dropped, they're part of these negotiations

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Speaker 5: that would apply to the quote lawfully present immigrants, which

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Speaker 5: could include people who came over and claimed asylum even

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Speaker 5: if they crossed illegally and then claimed asylum. If they

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Speaker 5: dropped that part of this, do you think there would

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Speaker 5: be a pathway to an agreement to reopening the government

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Speaker 5: if they just got rid of Would Republicans come to

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Speaker 5: the table if they just got rid of the tax care,

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Speaker 5: the healthcare. I'm sorry for people who are are not

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Speaker 5: US citizens.

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Speaker 14: You know, that's not the only problem with the Democrats demands.

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Speaker 14: It is one of the most egregious. But the health

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Speaker 14: insurance subsidies. Let's remember, Obamacare broke the health insurance marketplace

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Speaker 14: so that all the health insurance policies are now out

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Speaker 14: of reach for low income and middle income earners. And

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Speaker 14: so to actually afford these Obamacare policies, Democrats have put

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Speaker 14: in place subsidies and want to keep the money trained

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Speaker 14: going to the insurance companies. Republicans don't think we should

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Speaker 14: be subsidizing insurance companies with forty million dollars forty billion

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Speaker 14: dollars excuse me, in additional money to pad their balance sheets.

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Speaker 14: So we need to put more competition in the marketplace,

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Speaker 14: put more low cost health insurance options for working families.

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Speaker 14: That's how we're going to address the problems that started long,

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Speaker 14: long ago.

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Speaker 6: And putting it in to a.

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Speaker 14: Continuing resolution just is malpractice on the part of the Democrats.

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Speaker 14: We can talk about ways to reform healthcare once we

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Speaker 14: get the government back up and running, but we have

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Speaker 14: to do that first.

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Speaker 5: Well, so erin if you don't mind, I just wanted

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Speaker 5: to read this post from Congressman your colleague Marjorie Taylor Green,

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Speaker 5: who said yesterday on Twitter, Americans are getting crashed by

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Speaker 5: health insurance with monthly payments at fifteen hundred, seventeen hundred

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Speaker 5: and two thousand dollars per month instead of a revolving

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Speaker 5: door foreign government leader. So the White House probably referring

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Speaker 5: to Benjaminattiyaho there. I'd like to see health insurance CEOs

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Speaker 5: in there getting chewed out on live television.

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Speaker 4: Health insurance is out of control.

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Speaker 5: And I thought that post was really interesting because it

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Speaker 5: reflects the sentiment that I could hear maybe people in

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Speaker 5: your district or just average Trump voters who might see

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Speaker 5: their premiums spike saying, yes, we all agree that we

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Speaker 5: should fix the healthcare system, but it's you're asking me

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Speaker 5: to wait for a massive political project that might or

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Speaker 5: might not ever happen because of the state of Congress.

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Speaker 5: Doesn't that I mean, how would you address somebody who says,

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Speaker 5: I'm being raked over the calls every month. I can't

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Speaker 5: afford this as is out of control. Please just do something.

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Speaker 5: I can't wait for Republicans to undo ACA with some

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Speaker 5: grand solution in the future.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, Republicans agree, which is why we oppose what the

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Speaker 14: Democrats want to attach to the CR, which is such

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Speaker 14: a rollback that millionaires and billionaires are going to qualify

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Speaker 14: for these subsidies that they currently receive.

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Speaker 9: That's outrageous.

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Speaker 14: And as to the healthcare locations, the hospitals and other

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Speaker 14: healthcare facilities, those are going to be benefiting from the

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Speaker 14: fifty billion that is in the Big Beautiful Bill that

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Speaker 14: goes to rural healthcare, and that's something that Democrats want repealed.

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Speaker 14: They want all of Big Beautiful Bill repealed, including fifty

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Speaker 14: billion for rural health care, including putting back in place

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Speaker 14: tax subsidies extended for millionaires and billionaires. Make any sense,

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Speaker 14: it shows the lack of focus on the Democrats part.

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Speaker 14: We have three Democrats, two Democrats and an independent who

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Speaker 14: voted with Republicans last night for the Continuing Resolution for

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Speaker 14: a clean CR. So it's clear that they're breaking and

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Speaker 14: we just need to keep the pressure on and hopefully

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Speaker 14: they'll come around and vote for a clean CR and

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Speaker 14: then we can talk about how to resolve the spending

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Speaker 14: for the next fiscal year.

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Speaker 3: Let's talk about that fifty billion dollar number, though, so

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Speaker 3: Republicans in the Big Beautiful Bill cut about a trillion

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Speaker 3: dollars from Medicaid Medicare and the Affordable Care Act, the

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Speaker 3: ACA Obamaca.

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Speaker 6: Cutting waste, rudden abuse, exactly right.

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Speaker 3: So let's because we have a wasteful we have a

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Speaker 3: wasteful system, and a lot of it goes to health

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Speaker 3: insurance executives, a lot of private equity executives who own

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Speaker 3: a lot of our providers. Let's say that even half,

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Speaker 3: let's say half of that trillion dollars is just siphoned

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Speaker 3: off by profiteers. I don't think it's I don't think

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Speaker 3: it's five hundred billion, but let's just say, let's just

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Speaker 3: say it is probably closer as I say two hundred billion.

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Speaker 3: Let's say, so that means five hundred billion dollars is

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Speaker 3: being stripped out of the healthcare system. Money that's not

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Speaker 3: going to go now to providers and to community healthcare systms.

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Speaker 6: I was looking it up.

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Speaker 3: Lee County Community Hospital is in your district, is saying

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Speaker 3: that it might close. So you've got a conservatively, you

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Speaker 3: have a five hundred billion dollar gaping hole blown in

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Speaker 3: the healthcare industry. Buy this bill, and Republicans, because they

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Speaker 3: understood the political risks of that, came back in with

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Speaker 3: a fifty billion dollar kind of backstop. So I hope

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Speaker 3: for your constituent's sake that Lee County Community Hospital does

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Speaker 3: manage to win the fight in the snakepit to get

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Speaker 3: that money from that fifty billion dollar pot. But don't

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Speaker 3: the numbers just not add up there? Like if you're

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Speaker 3: taking five hundred to a trillion out but only putting

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Speaker 3: fifty billion back in, aren't we going to see some

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Speaker 3: significant bankruptcies among hospitals and providers.

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Speaker 14: Well, Lee County is not in my district, but we

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Speaker 14: do have a lot of rural hospitals in my district.

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Speaker 14: And what they are saying is that, yes, that because

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Speaker 14: we expanded Medicaid to cover working adults, that putting in

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Speaker 14: place work requirements is going to put the responsibility on

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Speaker 14: them to actually qualify for Medicaid and stay qualified for Medicaid.

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Speaker 14: And then the increased reporting requirements is going to again

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Speaker 14: put it on them and on the hospitals to make

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Speaker 14: sure that only those who are qualified are going to

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Speaker 14: receive Medicaid.

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Speaker 9: So these common.

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Speaker 14: Sense measures are going to make sure that more money

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Speaker 14: is available for rural hospitals. And then you add on

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Speaker 14: the fifty billion that's going to flow back only to

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Speaker 14: rural hospitals. You know, rural hospitals really only use about

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Speaker 14: five percent of Medicaid funding and for them to actually

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Speaker 14: get this directed money without the big hospitals and the

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Speaker 14: big competition for those funds. Since it's just going to

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Speaker 14: rural hospitals, you're going to see them benefit directly, and

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Speaker 14: hopefully our constituents in rural areas will too.

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Speaker 5: Last question for me, Congressman, is just how far are

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Speaker 5: our House Republicans willing to push this? And maybe you

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Speaker 5: haven't said into the Senate side and President Trump as well,

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Speaker 5: but consensus here in Washington is that this is a

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Speaker 5: shutdown will probably, I mean, it may even challenge the

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Speaker 5: record long shutdown from President Trump's first administration because of

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Speaker 5: what the incentives look like for both parties here. And

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Speaker 5: I tend to, even as rarely as I agree with

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Speaker 5: the Washington consensus, that does feel right to me this time.

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Speaker 5: So what's your take, I mean, how far are House

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Speaker 5: Republicans willing to hold out? If Democrats don't add their

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Speaker 5: votes in the Senate side.

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Speaker 14: If Democrats weren't in existence in the Senate, we would

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Speaker 14: have a continuing resolution. It would be a big business,

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Speaker 14: you know, continuing in the federal government because Democrats are

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Speaker 14: refusing to provide those seven votes. That's why we have

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Speaker 14: a shutdown. So it's on them to come back to

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Speaker 14: the table. Three have come back, we need four more.

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Speaker 14: I anticipate that by the time we get back to

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Speaker 14: Washington next week after the Jewish holiday and after the weekend,

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Speaker 14: we are going to be ready and the Democrats will

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Speaker 14: probably be ready to get this thing resolved and open

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Speaker 14: the government back up again.

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Speaker 3: Emily and I were talking earlier in the program about

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Speaker 3: how it's interesting that Republicans now when they're opposing these

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Speaker 3: Obamacare subsidies, have done it in the context of whether

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Speaker 3: or not the money the subsidies are going to illegal

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Speaker 3: illegal immigrants, rather than kind of challenging the subsidies ideologically

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Speaker 3: as they did for many years.

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Speaker 6: Does that I know it.

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Speaker 3: Freedom Caucus is pretty still squarely against the types of subsidies.

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Speaker 3: But are you noticing an ideological shift among Republicans that they're,

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Speaker 3: in a populist sense more open to these government subsidies

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Speaker 3: and and that's why they're looking for this angle, Well,

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Speaker 3: they might they might accidentally benefit illegal immigrants, so that's

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Speaker 3: why we're against them. But for Americans, citizens, we're okay

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Speaker 3: with it, no.

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Speaker 14: I think for multiple reasons. You see Republicans explaining to

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Speaker 14: the American people why these subsidies distort the marketplace and

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Speaker 14: are wrong for healthcare, and maybe a temporary solution for

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Speaker 14: folks right now, but long term, the money that is

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Speaker 14: being asked for will go directly into the pockets of

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Speaker 14: insurance executives that'll keep premiums high, and they won't provide

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Speaker 14: any kind of relief for working families. We have to

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Speaker 14: long term solve the problem that Obamacare broke when it

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Speaker 14: destroyed our health insurance system. But short term, we do

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Speaker 14: have to address high health insurance costs, but we have

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Speaker 14: to do it without making sure that millionaires and billionaires

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Speaker 14: benefit from these subsidies. And the Democrats that's what they want,

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Speaker 14: and that's what they're holding the government hostage to get

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Speaker 14: an extension of these subsidies to every income earner, including

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Speaker 14: illegal immigrants, and taking away fifty billion for rural health care.

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Speaker 14: It doesn't make any sense, and I'm hoping that Democrats

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Speaker 14: come to their senses and reopen the government soon.

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Speaker 5: Congressman Klein, thank you so much for joining us here

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Speaker 5: on breaking points this morning.

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Speaker 4: We appreciate it.

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Speaker 5: Thanks guys, thank you.

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Speaker 3: Joining us now is Senator Jeff Murkley, Democrat of Oregon,

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Speaker 3: to talk about the Democratic posture when it comes to

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Speaker 3: the shutdown and also update us on his recent trip

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Speaker 3: over to the Gazi human attempt to visit the GADS

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Speaker 3: Humanitarian Foundation. Senator Markley, thanks so much for joining us.

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Speaker 15: Good to be with you.

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Speaker 3: So, when it came to the Democratic decision making on

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Speaker 3: how to confront Republicans on this shutdown, how was it

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Speaker 3: that party leaders wound up settling on kind of healthcare

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Speaker 3: subsidies as the thing that you were going to make

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Speaker 3: this fight about.

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Speaker 15: Well, if you compare March fifteenth and Shakespeare said we

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Speaker 15: wear the eydes of March, and now here we are

897
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Speaker 15: a number of months later, what has happened in the

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Speaker 15: intervening period, Well, the big factor was passing what we

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Speaker 15: refer to as the Big Ugly Betrayal Bill. That what

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Speaker 15: did it do? I love its savaged Americans healthcare. And

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Speaker 15: that factor is coming due here in the coming months,

902
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Speaker 15: because in November, people will be signing up for healthcare

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Speaker 15: again and they'll be discovering double digit increases. In many cases,

904
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Speaker 15: they'll be paying twice what they paid the previous year,

905
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Speaker 15: and in some cases families in organ will be paying

906
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Speaker 15: eight to twenty five thousand dollars more and they simply

907
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Speaker 15: won't be able to afford it. You go without, you

908
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Speaker 15: go without health insurance, you don't go to the doctor.

909
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Speaker 15: Health conditions get worse when you do go. You go

910
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Speaker 15: to the most expensive version emergency room, and you can't

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Speaker 15: pay the bills you don't have insurance. Then the revenues

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Speaker 15: decrease for our clinics in our hospitals, many of which

913
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Speaker 15: are already on edge. And so Republicans are shutting down

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Speaker 15: the government in order to cut health care. And why

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Speaker 15: did they do this to fund tax breaks for billionaires?

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Speaker 13: Wow?

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Speaker 15: I mean this is a families lose, billionaires win direction

918
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Speaker 15: and health care touches every family in America.

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Speaker 5: Are Democrats willing to come to the table on the

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Speaker 5: key issue that Republicans have been talking about, which is

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Speaker 5: healthcare for non citizens. It's for people who are lawfully present.

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Speaker 5: Republicans are saying illegal immigrants. The truth of that is,

923
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Speaker 5: as people who are like lawfully present, may have claimed

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Speaker 5: asylum in the big wave of migration that we saw

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Speaker 5: over the last few years, so if Democrats are willing to,

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Speaker 5: I'm curious under our Democrats willing to come to the

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Speaker 5: table and drop healthcare that would cover non citizens for

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Speaker 5: the sake of getting the government back open for US citizens.

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Speaker 15: Listen, the re combanis are engaged in a big line

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Speaker 15: because no one who is here undocumented is eligible for Medicare.

931
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Speaker 15: No one who is here a document is eligible for Medicare.

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Speaker 15: And so that big lie is an effort to distract

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Speaker 15: from what they did, which was to savagely cut health

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Speaker 15: care for working Americans and struggling Americans across This is spectrum.

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Speaker 15: This is this bill that they passed was rolling out

936
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Speaker 15: the red carpet for billionaires and rolling out the red

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Speaker 15: tape for struggling families who are trying to get on

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Speaker 15: their feet. And so the vision that is different here

939
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Speaker 15: is that we want to make America work for everyone

940
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Speaker 15: to be able to succeed. And I must say, the

941
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Speaker 15: reason we call this often their bill and ugly betrayal

942
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Speaker 15: is because President Trump campaigned on helping families. But then

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Speaker 15: when you saw in the rotunda he's being sworn in

944
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Speaker 15: and I'm about twenty feet away from him, a second

945
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Speaker 15: rowback and who's standing behind him. Not champions for health

946
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Speaker 15: care or housing, or education, or good paying jobs, or

947
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Speaker 15: investment in infrastructure, or equality of opportunity or making our

948
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Speaker 15: planet healthier, none of that. No, No, it's billionaires. Day

949
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Speaker 15: One of his administration was dedicated to making billionaires even

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Speaker 15: wealthier and doing so at the expense of everyone else.

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Speaker 15: And it wasn't just cutting healthcare. In their bill, was

952
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Speaker 15: cutting child nutrition, and it was creating thirty trillion in

953
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Speaker 15: additional debt over thirty years why to fund tax breaks

954
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Speaker 15: for billionaires. So certainly when you get in the room,

955
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Speaker 15: there's going to be a lot of discussions over details.

956
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Speaker 15: But that's the key is Republicans said, we are not

957
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Speaker 15: even going to talk to you the president when he

958
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Speaker 15: was non president back in twenty thirteen. So the president

959
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Speaker 15: has a responsibility to bring everyone together. If there is

960
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Speaker 15: a shutdown, it's on the president's head. So this is

961
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Speaker 15: Trump's Republican shutdown. But he wasn't willing now he's president,

962
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Speaker 15: he wasn't willing to meet with our team until essentially

963
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Speaker 15: we're you know, we're approaching midnight, if you will, and

964
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Speaker 15: he instructed the Speaker of the House, you don't talk

965
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Speaker 15: to Democrats either, and the majority leader in the Senate

966
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Speaker 15: didn't talk to Democrats. In other words, it was like, okay, well,

967
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Speaker 15: let's talk about this, because we are not going to

968
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Speaker 15: just say that this horrific assault on families in America

969
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Speaker 15: is okay. We're not going to say it's okay. We

970
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Speaker 15: are not going to support that. Come talk to us,

971
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Speaker 15: and they were unwilling to do so.

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Speaker 3: So in a moment, we're going to be talking about

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Speaker 3: Trump and Pete Hagg's death. Appearing at the Pentagon yesterday,

974
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Speaker 3: and while there, Trump talked about how, you know, he

975
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Speaker 3: wants the military to start using American cities as training grounds,

976
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Speaker 3: and he has said that he's going to send or

977
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Speaker 3: I guess is sending the military into into Portland. As

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Speaker 3: a senator from Oregon, what what have you seen so far?

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Speaker 3: And you know, how are you know, how how do

980
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Speaker 3: you respond to Trump's proposition here?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 15: A week ago Thursday, he announced He's going to quote

983
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Speaker 15: do a number on Portland. He said, I'm going to

984
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Speaker 15: have the Secretary of War deploy the troops and I'm

985
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Speaker 15: going to authorize him to use full force. We're going

986
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Speaker 15: to do a number on Portland. So we held a

987
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Speaker 15: press conference, and I called it the don't take the

988
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Speaker 15: bait press conference, and we had all the local leaders,

989
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Speaker 15: the mayor, our congressional delegation, the local city council members,

990
00:52:55,280 --> 00:52:59,239
Speaker 15: don't take debate. What the President is up to is

991
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Speaker 15: he wants to create riots in Portland, and so by

992
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Speaker 15: sending an influx of federalized troops while he's hoping there

993
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Speaker 15: will be conflict, and then conflict justifies more authoritarian power.

994
00:53:12,480 --> 00:53:16,120
Speaker 15: So understanding this, our reaction has to be don't take

995
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Speaker 15: the bigger and so this is the message we're giving

996
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Speaker 15: to people. Yes, protests, but don't protest by getting engaged

997
00:53:23,840 --> 00:53:26,239
Speaker 15: directly with any of these officers. Now, it turns out

998
00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:29,280
Speaker 15: that some things have developed and that instead of sending

999
00:53:29,320 --> 00:53:32,400
Speaker 15: a whole bunch of different forces from different organizations the

1000
00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:35,560
Speaker 15: way he did in two thousand, right now what a

1001
00:53:35,560 --> 00:53:39,439
Speaker 15: two thousand and twenty, what he's planning to do now

1002
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Speaker 15: is to federalize a two hundred of our Oregon National

1003
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Speaker 15: Guard send in leadership. So it basically decapitates the leadership

1004
00:53:48,920 --> 00:53:52,200
Speaker 15: that's in Oregon and sends in separate leadership. They're going

1005
00:53:52,239 --> 00:53:54,239
Speaker 15: to go through a couple days of training. There is

1006
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Speaker 15: a hearing this rieting for a stay and why is

1007
00:53:59,440 --> 00:54:04,240
Speaker 15: that state being considered Because the power that the president's using,

1008
00:54:04,320 --> 00:54:07,239
Speaker 15: the authority who's using, is called Title Tien, and it

1009
00:54:07,320 --> 00:54:11,400
Speaker 15: says the president can send in troops when there is

1010
00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:16,000
Speaker 15: an invasion or a rebellion. And this is very important

1011
00:54:16,040 --> 00:54:19,000
Speaker 15: because our founders were terrified of a standing army. They

1012
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Speaker 15: had seen dictators create an authoritarian state by using the

1013
00:54:23,560 --> 00:54:26,160
Speaker 15: power of an army, so they didn't want a standing army,

1014
00:54:26,160 --> 00:54:28,760
Speaker 15: they didn't trust it. And then one hundred and fifty

1015
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Speaker 15: years ago, we had a general agreement that troops and

1016
00:54:31,400 --> 00:54:36,080
Speaker 15: it's called paskomotatas law, that troops would never be used

1017
00:54:36,239 --> 00:54:40,800
Speaker 15: inside our cities, this exception being an invasion or rebellion.

1018
00:54:42,440 --> 00:54:45,520
Speaker 15: So I'm hoping that we'll hear from the district judge

1019
00:54:45,560 --> 00:54:49,400
Speaker 15: an injunction saying there's nothing that qualifies as an invasion

1020
00:54:49,800 --> 00:54:52,640
Speaker 15: or a rebellion. I went past the ICE head quarters,

1021
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Speaker 15: which is what Trump is focused on, a couple times

1022
00:54:55,400 --> 00:54:57,640
Speaker 15: this last week, and I saw three women standing out

1023
00:54:57,680 --> 00:55:01,319
Speaker 15: with signs that had flowers on them, And are you

1024
00:55:01,400 --> 00:55:03,880
Speaker 15: kidding me? That's a rebellion. That's called an American protest,

1025
00:55:03,960 --> 00:55:06,280
Speaker 15: that's called freedom of speech. That's called freedom of assembly.

1026
00:55:06,320 --> 00:55:09,239
Speaker 15: That's is American as apple pie. There have been a

1027
00:55:09,239 --> 00:55:12,480
Speaker 15: few conflicts kind of like the equivalent of a bar

1028
00:55:12,600 --> 00:55:16,280
Speaker 15: fight over the last couple of months, but well within

1029
00:55:16,320 --> 00:55:19,680
Speaker 15: the ability of local please to tackle nothing that would

1030
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Speaker 15: constitute a rebellion. Think about a rebellion. What's a rebellion

1031
00:55:23,080 --> 00:55:26,200
Speaker 15: Like civil war, that's a rebellion. Shaney's rebellion, that's the

1032
00:55:26,200 --> 00:55:28,440
Speaker 15: founding of our republic. That was a rebellion where you

1033
00:55:28,440 --> 00:55:32,000
Speaker 15: had a mob seeking to tackle a local armory and

1034
00:55:32,120 --> 00:55:36,600
Speaker 15: grab guns. But so we feel what Trump is doing

1035
00:55:37,360 --> 00:55:41,440
Speaker 15: is very much out of the authoritarian playbook, extremely dangerous.

1036
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Speaker 15: And then he followed up, as you mentioned, by talking

1037
00:55:43,800 --> 00:55:46,640
Speaker 15: to the generals yesterday morning and he says, you know,

1038
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Speaker 15: first of all, it's a loyalty test. You all don't

1039
00:55:49,040 --> 00:55:50,799
Speaker 15: like what I'm doing, leave the room, but you will

1040
00:55:50,840 --> 00:55:54,440
Speaker 15: be you probably lose your rank. Okay, So loyalty to

1041
00:55:54,440 --> 00:55:57,200
Speaker 15: the Constitution is the oath they took. But Trump wants loyalty.

1042
00:55:57,320 --> 00:56:00,239
Speaker 15: The President's very dangerous. They said, a group, you are

1043
00:56:00,239 --> 00:56:04,120
Speaker 15: probably going to be in charge of this strategy of

1044
00:56:04,239 --> 00:56:07,800
Speaker 15: sending troops to cities and making it a training ground,

1045
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Speaker 15: a training ground for what for how troops are deployed

1046
00:56:10,800 --> 00:56:14,240
Speaker 15: across America. Folks have been coming to my town halls

1047
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Speaker 15: and saying, and I've done thirty six of them this year, saying,

1048
00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:20,400
Speaker 15: we are really worried that the president is going to

1049
00:56:20,440 --> 00:56:25,120
Speaker 15: create some emergency power. Is going to say as emergency power,

1050
00:56:25,280 --> 00:56:29,160
Speaker 15: it's going to postpone elections. People are going to basically

1051
00:56:29,239 --> 00:56:31,680
Speaker 15: protest against that, and it's going to send in the troops.

1052
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Speaker 15: Is this what he's planning? Is this train so that

1053
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Speaker 15: troops will be prepared to go into cities. Once you

1054
00:56:39,160 --> 00:56:42,120
Speaker 15: go across this threshold and you do it repeatedly, it

1055
00:56:42,160 --> 00:56:45,000
Speaker 15: becomes easier and easier to repeat the precedent. I think

1056
00:56:45,000 --> 00:56:48,799
Speaker 15: this is an extraordinarily dangerous moment for us, with authoritarian

1057
00:56:48,880 --> 00:56:53,000
Speaker 15: president who's violating the Constitution left and right, and now

1058
00:56:53,040 --> 00:56:57,280
Speaker 15: talking about developing a habit of putting the military into

1059
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Speaker 15: our cities.

1060
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Speaker 5: If we take Trump out of the pure for a moment,

1061
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Speaker 5: what do you think needs to happen in Portland? I'm

1062
00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:07,799
Speaker 5: curious about that. You can correct me. I mean, there

1063
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Speaker 5: have been obvious, as you just mentioned, instances of political

1064
00:57:10,520 --> 00:57:15,239
Speaker 5: violence in Portland, more than less than I should say

1065
00:57:15,480 --> 00:57:18,640
Speaker 5: social bar fights, for example, but bar fights maybe with

1066
00:57:18,840 --> 00:57:23,200
Speaker 5: some political animus behind them. So does what has to

1067
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Speaker 5: happen in Portland? And I asked that as somebody who

1068
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Speaker 5: doesn't like the expansion of government power, particularly law enforcement,

1069
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Speaker 5: particularly domestically. But is it possible that there's like this

1070
00:57:34,080 --> 00:57:37,800
Speaker 5: giant opening for Trump to seize on disorder in Portland

1071
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Speaker 5: as Democrats have let political violence fester in some cases

1072
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Speaker 5: in the city.

1073
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Speaker 15: There's been very little violence in Portland. If you walked

1074
00:57:45,640 --> 00:57:48,120
Speaker 15: through Portland, you would just go This is a city

1075
00:57:48,160 --> 00:57:51,360
Speaker 15: on the rebound of the sixty five largest cities in America.

1076
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Speaker 15: Had the biggest decrease in murder rates year over year

1077
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Speaker 15: twenty percent. In fact, it was cut in half. It

1078
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Speaker 15: had one of the largest twenty percent and violent crimes.

1079
00:58:01,800 --> 00:58:05,600
Speaker 15: You see, the city has been rebuilding from COVID, rebuilding

1080
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Speaker 15: from the twenty twenty conflicts with Trump and his first administrations.

1081
00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:13,000
Speaker 15: Things that have been closed down or starting to open

1082
00:58:13,080 --> 00:58:18,400
Speaker 15: back up. The it's we we see the impact of

1083
00:58:18,400 --> 00:58:21,800
Speaker 15: of course, homelessness and drug use, and those impacts are

1084
00:58:21,840 --> 00:58:25,960
Speaker 15: less visible now as programs are ramped up to provide

1085
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Speaker 15: alternatives and assistance. New Portland's been on the rebound, you

1086
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Speaker 15: would not recognize it as looking anything like what Trump

1087
00:58:32,520 --> 00:58:36,479
Speaker 15: is described. And if you have a few people who

1088
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Speaker 15: want to create disturbances and they've been coming late at

1089
00:58:39,400 --> 00:58:42,000
Speaker 15: night and throwing some stones, been a very small number,

1090
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Speaker 15: that's where the local police arrest them, and that's a

1091
00:58:45,360 --> 00:58:49,000
Speaker 15: local police function. You throw a stone into federal building,

1092
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Speaker 15: you put off a fireworks abed at a local, local building,

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Speaker 15: even if it's not an ice building, any building that's

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Speaker 15: a that's a local police response. So there's nothing here

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Speaker 15: that comes close to justifying federalization of the National Guard

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Speaker 15: or sending me in troops of any kind.

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Speaker 3: And we don't have much time left, but I did

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Speaker 3: want to just get your quick perspective on your trip

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Speaker 3: over toward the guys of Humanitarian Foundations sites over there.

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Speaker 3: One of the few American non mercenaries was able to

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Speaker 3: get close. You know, how close were you able to

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Speaker 3: get and what was your interaction with kind of GHF

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Speaker 3: officials and what was your what was your takeaway as

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Speaker 3: you and Senator Chris van Holland had made a trip

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Speaker 3: there and.

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Speaker 15: The truth was much broader than it is trying to

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Speaker 15: get into go although that was a goal we were

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Speaker 15: turned down by the Israeli authorities. We then arranged to

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Speaker 15: participate in a Jordaining overflight where they dropped a humanitarian aid.

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Speaker 15: Israeli's canceled the flight. I mean, we were in Jordan

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Speaker 15: with the C one thirty cargo planes all all getting

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Speaker 15: ready to take off, and Israel canceled the flights. They

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Speaker 15: didn't apparently want an American observing Gaza from the air.

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Speaker 15: But then we were able to go to the border

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Speaker 15: at Rafa Gate, where we'd also been in January of

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Speaker 15: twenty twenty four. But this time we were able to

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Speaker 15: go through the transition area between Egypt and Gaza because

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Speaker 15: the gates shut down, and at the far end we

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Speaker 15: were able to climb an outside fire escape to the

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Speaker 15: roof of a three story building, stand on the ledge

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Speaker 15: and look out over Gaza and just see or all

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Speaker 15: over Goza, but over the city of Rafa, and just

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Speaker 15: see everything reduced to rubble. It's one thing to see

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Speaker 15: the satellite photos. It's another thing to stand there and

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Speaker 15: just see it that every building blown up. This was

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Speaker 15: It was stunning because it was just such visible evidence

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Speaker 15: of the strategy, a twofold strategy of ethnic cleansing. The

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Speaker 15: first strategy was destroy all the homes, not just that

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Speaker 15: they're empty and the city's been emptied out and their's

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Speaker 15: shell holes are got no everything blown up so you

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Speaker 15: can't return. And the second strategy of deprivation probation of

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Speaker 15: food and clean water and medicine. And now we have

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Speaker 15: a famine for the most vulnerable populations inside of Gaza.

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Speaker 15: We have horrendous impact on children. Can you imagine two

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Speaker 15: years of bombs following your family members dying. You've moved

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Speaker 15: five or six or sometimes ten, ten times. No place

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Speaker 15: is safe, no school can be held. Malnutrition rolls into famine,

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Speaker 15: and it's just it's the International workers a worst hellhole

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Speaker 15: in the world. As a result of this strategy designed

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Speaker 15: to drive people out of Gaza, that was very powerful.

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Speaker 15: We met with so many groups. We met with the

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Speaker 15: families of the hostages. We met with soldiers who had

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Speaker 15: served in Gossip. We met with International workers who had

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Speaker 15: been inside. We met with World Food Program workers who

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Speaker 15: had been inside. We learned about all the strategies to

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Speaker 15: block the regular delivery of food that are constantly being

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Speaker 15: used to extend this famine. What the same values that

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Speaker 15: made me a passionate supporter for Israel are the same

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Speaker 15: values that say what the net Yahoo government is doing

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Speaker 15: is horrifically wrong. It's a violation of international law, it's

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Speaker 15: a violation of every humanitarian or religious creed. It is

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Speaker 15: just horrific. And America is complicit because of our close relationship,

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Speaker 15: and we haven't used that close relationship to say hell

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Speaker 15: no to the strategy of ethnic clinsic.

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Speaker 3: And for people who don't know, Rafa is a city

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Speaker 3: that dates back to the second at least the second

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Speaker 3: millennium BC. You know, Alexander the Great was there continuously

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Speaker 3: occupied basically for.

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Speaker 6: Something like four thousand years. What was it?

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Speaker 3: What was it like to see this one of the

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Speaker 3: most ancient cities on the planet, which is reduced to

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Speaker 3: non existence.

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Speaker 15: You know, you couldn't recognize anything because it's all just rubble.

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Speaker 15: So you see no signs of You couldn't make out

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Speaker 15: if you will, oh, where was something that was ancient significant?

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Speaker 15: It's all just rubble. But what really struck me was

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Speaker 15: to recognize that six months earlier a million people were

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Speaker 15: in that city, and just as in Gaza City, a

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Speaker 15: few months ago a million people were in Gaza City,

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Speaker 15: and now Gaza City is being raised and blown up

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Speaker 15: in the same fashion. If this proceeds, you will find

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Speaker 15: that you have two million people crowded into a small

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Speaker 15: area on the very southwest corner of Gaza, which is

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Speaker 15: Gaza is already a very small place, and where are

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Speaker 15: they going to go? The goal is to make life

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Speaker 15: so miserable that they will self deport. It's American Government's

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Speaker 15: called it voluntary departure. Nothing voluntary when you're being started

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Speaker 15: to death and indiscriminately bombed. So this is not all

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Speaker 15: that's going wrong. You have on the West Bank another strategy,

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Speaker 15: which is that green light has been given for settlers

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Speaker 15: to engage in massive harassment of Palestinian villages, cutting the

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Speaker 15: villagers off from their olive orchards, cutting them off from

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Speaker 15: their vineyards, cutting them off from their springs or their wells,

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Speaker 15: proceeding to run a livestock right up and to and

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Speaker 15: off and through these villages, and then assaulting the villagers

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Speaker 15: when they leave the village itself to check on their

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Speaker 15: lands or so forth. And that also is to drive

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Speaker 15: everyone out of area sea, basically a de facto takeover

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Speaker 15: of the West Bank. That is wrong as well. Nineteen

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Speaker 15: forty seven vision was two nations.

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Speaker 9: For the two people.

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Speaker 15: The world supported and endorsed and made happen the Israeli nation,

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Speaker 15: but we never solidified a Palestinian state. This is why

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Speaker 15: I introduced a resolution, the first of its kind, saying

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Speaker 15: to the President of the United States, we should be

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Speaker 15: recognizing a Palestinian state. The failure to do so has

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Speaker 15: been a festering wound that's contributed to the cycle of

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Speaker 15: violence in the Middle East. And I was pleased that

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Speaker 15: I other the senators joined me. So ten senators did

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Speaker 15: something that hasn't been done before, and that is to

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01:05:37,840 --> 01:05:41,920
Speaker 15: speak up and say we've made a mistake. Whether it

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Speaker 15: was through Camp David at Oslo and all time since,

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Speaker 15: we never actually recognized the legitimacy of a Palestinian state,

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Speaker 15: and it's time to make that happen. I do want

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Speaker 15: to say that in the peace plan the President just

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Speaker 15: put forward, there's a lot of elements that are the

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Speaker 15: best step I've seen this administration make towards a fast,

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Speaker 15: hopefully a fast cease fire and the start of something

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Speaker 15: new and better. We need a ceasefire, We need a

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Speaker 15: massive influx humanitarian return of all the hostages. We needed

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Speaker 15: to break this ethnic cleansing strategy. It's better for Israel

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Speaker 15: to break that strategy, It's better for the Palestinians. But

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Speaker 15: let's build on a ceasefire to create a prosperous, peaceful

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Speaker 15: future rather than have this haunting cycle of violence infect

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Speaker 15: the decades to come.

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Speaker 6: And we'll talk.

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Speaker 3: We'll talk more about that plan later in the program.

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Speaker 3: Up next, we'll be talking about Trump and Pete Hesett

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Speaker 3: at the Pentagon. Now, Senator Jeff Markley, thank you so

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Speaker 3: much for joining us.

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Speaker 6: Really appreciate it.

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Speaker 15: A pleasure to be with you. Ryan and Emily, take care.

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Speaker 4: Thank you.

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Speaker 13: Well.

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Speaker 5: Last week you met have been worried, as even some

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Speaker 5: people from home that I grew up with were texting

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Speaker 5: me if I had any idea about what this mysterious meeting,

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Speaker 5: this gathering of generals at the Pentagon was all about.

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Speaker 5: You may have been concerned that we were going to

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Speaker 5: war a secretary of war as we are now calling it.

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Speaker 5: I think Grian that moniker is more accurate. Anyway, He

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Speaker 5: left in news consumers and military leaders fairly uncomfortable after

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Speaker 5: he abruptly announced that they were planning this massive meeting

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Speaker 5: of generals from around the world. Flew everybody in here

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Speaker 5: to d C where we had it into war? Was

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Speaker 5: it this grand pr exercise you guessed that we talked

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Speaker 5: about on last Friday show.

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Speaker 4: What it could be?

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Speaker 5: I speculated if it was war, maybe it was in

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Speaker 5: our own hemisphere. We'll get to that in just a

1241
01:07:43,360 --> 01:07:46,040
Speaker 5: moment actually towards the end of the show, what we

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Speaker 5: could be seeing in our own hemisphere.

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Speaker 3: But it was my source at the time. Remember, he

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01:07:50,680 --> 01:07:52,480
Speaker 3: said this is just a giant trump. He was like,

1245
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Speaker 3: stupid exercise.

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Speaker 4: He nailed it.

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Speaker 6: He did nail it.

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Speaker 3: And my life is filled with regrets, of course, but

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Speaker 3: one of them is that I had multip sources over

1250
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Speaker 3: the last seven months telling me Hexeth keeps saying he

1251
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Speaker 3: wants to change this to the Department of War.

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Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, you ignored it.

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Speaker 3: And I was like, that's too stupid to report. I

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Speaker 3: believe I'm not saying I don't believe you, but make

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Speaker 3: me look like a yeah float that he's talking about

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Speaker 3: that actually did it.

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Speaker 6: He did it.

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Speaker 4: He did it.

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Speaker 5: So War Secretaryapy, You're gonna want to see some of

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Speaker 5: these clips because what heseth that basically was gather everyone

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Speaker 5: for a pep talk that doubled as him making different

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Speaker 5: points about like DEI stuff and also rules of war.

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Speaker 5: We're going to get into that in just a moment

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Speaker 5: as well, and also a photo op for the military

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Speaker 5: to you know, sort of like the parade that happened

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Speaker 5: in the summer, look on the global stage and nationally

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Speaker 5: like it's putting its best foot forward, which I won't

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Speaker 5: deny is I actually think that's important, but this was

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Speaker 5: this is something else. Let's go ahead and roll our

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Speaker 5: first clip here.

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Speaker 16: Very much value the impact of female troops. Our female

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Speaker 16: officers and n CEOs are the absolute best in the world.

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Speaker 16: But when it comes to any job that requires physical

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Speaker 16: power to perform in combat, those physical standards must be

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Speaker 16: high and gender neutral. If women can make it excellent.

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Speaker 16: If not, it is what it is. If that means

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Speaker 16: no women qualify for some combat jobs, so be it.

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Speaker 16: That is not the intent, but it could be the result,

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Speaker 16: so be it. This also means grooming standards, no more beards,

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Speaker 16: long hair, superficial individual expression. We're gonna cut our hair,

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Speaker 16: sha shave our beards, and adhere to standards. Because it's

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Speaker 16: like the broken windows theory of policing. It's like when

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Speaker 16: you let the small stuff go, the big stuff eventually goes,

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Speaker 16: so you have to address the small stuff. This is

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Speaker 16: on duty in the field and in the rear. If

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Speaker 16: you want a beard, you can join special forces. If not,

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Speaker 16: then chafe. We don't have a military full of Nordic pagans.

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Speaker 16: But unfortunately we have had leaders who either refuse to

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Speaker 16: call bs and enforce standards, or leaders who felt like.

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Speaker 9: They were not allowed to enforce standards. Both are unacceptable.

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Speaker 16: And that's why today, at my direction, the era of

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Speaker 16: unprofessional appearance is over. No more beardoze. It all starts

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Speaker 16: with physical fitness and appearance. If the Secretary of War

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Speaker 16: can do regular hard PT, so can every member of

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Speaker 16: our Joint Force. Frankly, it's tiring to look out at

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Speaker 16: combat formations or really any formation and see fat troops. Likewise,

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Speaker 16: it's completely unacceptable to see fat generals and admirals in

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Speaker 16: the halls of the Pentagon and leading commands around the

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Speaker 16: country in the world.

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Speaker 9: It's a bad look.

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Speaker 4: Every member of the Joint Force, at every rank is

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Speaker 4: required to take a PT test twice a year.

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Speaker 5: I mean, he also said Ryan more seriously, quote we

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Speaker 5: unleash overwhelming and punishing violence on the enemy. We also

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Speaker 5: don't want to fight with stupid rules of engagement. We

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Speaker 5: untie the hands of our warfighters to intimidate, demoralize, hunting,

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Speaker 5: and kill the enemies of our country. No more politically

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Speaker 5: correct and overbearing rules of engagement. Exith has been a

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Speaker 5: supporter of people who have been accused of violating laws

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Speaker 5: related to war crimes.

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Speaker 6: He was a big advocate for US Eddie Gallagher.

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Speaker 4: Right, not accused.

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Speaker 6: He was openly an advocate war criminal, like an convicted

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Speaker 6: war criminal who all of his.

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Speaker 3: Comrades called a complete sociopath who stabbing and shooting people

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Speaker 3: like innocent civilians. And so like if your if your

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Speaker 3: bar is Eddie Gallagher, then you are lifting and removing

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Speaker 3: what so many people take pride in when it comes

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Speaker 3: to the US military, which is a this this idea

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Speaker 3: that do you actually do protect civilian lives?

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Speaker 4: What did you think of this line?

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Speaker 6: And that's what separates the US military.

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Speaker 3: Obviously I'm my criticism in the US military, But like

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Speaker 3: that that is a sacred belief that people have, and

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Speaker 3: he's saying forget that.

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Speaker 6: So he's sraight away.

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Speaker 5: Quote the new compass heading is clear out with the

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Speaker 5: carell is the Mackenzie's and the Millies and in with

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Speaker 5: the stock Stales, the Schwartz cops, Schwartz coughs, and the patents.

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Speaker 4: Did you catch that one?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Paton, you know, famously got in trouble for like,

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Speaker 3: you know, slapping a private I think in Italy, right,

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Speaker 3: and during that campaign.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, so yes, he's.

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Speaker 9: I was.

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Speaker 6: I was when he was talking.

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Speaker 3: I was like, wait a minute, is he coming after

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01:12:47,360 --> 01:12:49,960
Speaker 3: the special Forces here? Because the guys with the tattoos

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01:12:49,960 --> 01:12:52,080
Speaker 3: and the beards are in the Special Forces.

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Speaker 6: And then then he carves them out right, like what

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01:12:55,600 --> 01:12:56,320
Speaker 6: are we doing here?

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Speaker 5: Well, he says, you can go to a Special Forces

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01:12:58,280 --> 01:13:02,599
Speaker 5: if you want your beard. Trump also joined the gathering

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01:13:02,680 --> 01:13:04,760
Speaker 5: as well, let's go ahead and roll be two.

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01:13:05,200 --> 01:13:07,759
Speaker 13: We should use some of these dangerous cities as training

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01:13:07,800 --> 01:13:13,400
Speaker 13: grounds for our military National Guard. But military, because we're

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01:13:13,400 --> 01:13:16,519
Speaker 13: going into Chicago versus that's a big city with an

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01:13:16,560 --> 01:13:20,160
Speaker 13: incompetent governor. Stupid governor. Stupid I thought would be met

1349
01:13:20,200 --> 01:13:24,479
Speaker 13: with fury on the left. But they're sort of giving up.

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01:13:24,520 --> 01:13:27,559
Speaker 13: I must be honest with you. They've had it. They've

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01:13:27,600 --> 01:13:29,439
Speaker 13: had it with Trump. I really thought that we were

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Speaker 13: going to have to sort of fight it through. There's

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01:13:31,640 --> 01:13:33,800
Speaker 13: been no fight. There's been no fight.

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Speaker 17: Don't laugh, don't live if you're not allowed to do that,

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01:13:36,840 --> 01:13:38,840
Speaker 17: You know what, Just have a good time. And if

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01:13:38,840 --> 01:13:41,639
Speaker 17: you want to applaud, you applaud. And if you want

1357
01:13:41,680 --> 01:13:44,000
Speaker 17: to do anything you want, you can do anything you want.

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01:13:44,120 --> 01:13:45,760
Speaker 17: If you don't like what I'm saying, you can leave

1359
01:13:45,800 --> 01:13:48,080
Speaker 17: the room. Of course, there goes your rank, there goes

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01:13:48,120 --> 01:13:51,360
Speaker 17: your future. And I'm not a fan of some of

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01:13:51,400 --> 01:13:52,000
Speaker 17: the ships you do.

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Speaker 7: I'm a very esthetic person, and I don't like some

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01:13:54,360 --> 01:13:57,440
Speaker 7: of the ships you're doing esthetically.

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01:13:57,600 --> 01:13:58,679
Speaker 13: They say, oh, it's stealth.

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01:13:58,680 --> 01:14:02,160
Speaker 7: They said, it's not so an ugly ship is not

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01:14:02,240 --> 01:14:06,720
Speaker 7: necessary in order to say your stealth.

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01:14:07,240 --> 01:14:12,920
Speaker 5: Where you're missing is ridle Guys, this guy unbelievable. Take

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01:14:12,920 --> 01:14:14,720
Speaker 5: a look at this picture. Let's put this element up

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01:14:14,760 --> 01:14:15,200
Speaker 5: on the screen.

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Speaker 4: This is B three.

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01:14:16,400 --> 01:14:18,320
Speaker 5: Doug Mills and the New York Times snapped a picture

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Speaker 5: of military leaders after Trump's speech, looking ashen stone faced.

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Speaker 4: Any other descriptions come.

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01:14:26,240 --> 01:14:31,280
Speaker 6: To mind, Ryan, you know, questioning their life choices, nonplussed.

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01:14:31,479 --> 01:14:37,439
Speaker 4: Yes, you know, it was at least we're not going

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01:14:37,439 --> 01:14:37,760
Speaker 4: to war.

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Speaker 6: It was not a war meeting.

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01:14:41,160 --> 01:14:43,320
Speaker 5: It was not we probably are still going to war,

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01:14:43,920 --> 01:14:46,400
Speaker 5: but we didn't announce some type of like major World

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01:14:46,439 --> 01:14:49,360
Speaker 5: War three operation yesterday. So that's the silver lining, I guess.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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01:14:49,840 --> 01:14:53,599
Speaker 3: Trump like talking about we're going to make major American

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01:14:53,600 --> 01:14:58,320
Speaker 3: cities training grounds for the American military, Like that's just

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01:14:58,360 --> 01:15:01,000
Speaker 3: an incredible place for us to be as as a country.

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01:15:01,520 --> 01:15:03,960
Speaker 3: Like if if you said that that was what Trump

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01:15:04,040 --> 01:15:07,240
Speaker 3: was planning to do, uh you a year ago, you

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01:15:07,280 --> 01:15:11,360
Speaker 3: would be accused of cite inciting violence against Republicans for

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01:15:11,920 --> 01:15:15,400
Speaker 3: blaspheming their their their good patriotic name m and here

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01:15:15,400 --> 01:15:15,720
Speaker 3: he is.

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Speaker 6: No, that's that's actually what we're going to do.

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Speaker 4: Let's put P. Four up on the screen.

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Speaker 5: This is about a report in the Daily Mail. This

1393
01:15:22,520 --> 01:15:25,160
Speaker 5: is Daily Beast covering the Daily Mail. That Daily Mail

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01:15:25,240 --> 01:15:29,080
Speaker 5: report is suggesting that Pete Hegseth, according to Leek's, has

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01:15:29,120 --> 01:15:34,040
Speaker 5: been especially paranoid after Charlie Kirk's death, which is completely understandable,

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01:15:34,080 --> 01:15:37,200
Speaker 5: I think, but that he and his wife are at

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01:15:37,280 --> 01:15:40,479
Speaker 5: least he means to be sort of even deeper in

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01:15:40,600 --> 01:15:44,280
Speaker 5: trench mentality. And you know, it's a it's a tabloid

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01:15:44,320 --> 01:15:48,200
Speaker 5: story I think worth keeping in mind. You know, we've

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01:15:48,280 --> 01:15:50,640
Speaker 5: we've seen the rebranding as Department of War, which I

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01:15:50,640 --> 01:15:53,559
Speaker 5: think happened actually right before Charlie k Charlie Kirk died,

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01:15:53,600 --> 01:15:56,719
Speaker 5: maybe the day that Charlie Kirk died, if not a couple.

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01:15:56,520 --> 01:15:57,240
Speaker 4: Of days before.

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01:15:58,120 --> 01:16:02,759
Speaker 5: But also this new this high profile meeting, and tensions

1405
01:16:02,800 --> 01:16:07,400
Speaker 5: in Venezuela are heating up. So you know, the leaks

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01:16:07,400 --> 01:16:09,880
Speaker 5: aren't good either. The leaks are going to fuel that

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01:16:09,960 --> 01:16:12,040
Speaker 5: sense of paranoid. If this makes it into the Daily

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01:16:12,080 --> 01:16:14,680
Speaker 5: Mail in a medicense, that's going to make the.

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01:16:14,640 --> 01:16:17,440
Speaker 4: Secretary of War Ryan even more paranoid.

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01:16:18,000 --> 01:16:18,200
Speaker 13: Yeah.

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01:16:18,280 --> 01:16:21,720
Speaker 3: And then so Pentagon insiders tell of explosive tantrums and

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01:16:21,840 --> 01:16:25,720
Speaker 3: erratic behavior, quote crawling out of his skin what the

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01:16:25,840 --> 01:16:28,920
Speaker 3: Daily Mail and people were saying like, oh, it sounds

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01:16:28,960 --> 01:16:31,960
Speaker 3: like he's on the sauce again, That's not how I

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01:16:32,000 --> 01:16:34,759
Speaker 3: read it. I read it as this is a dry drunk,

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01:16:35,000 --> 01:16:42,120
Speaker 3: you know who is going through basically untreated with withdrawal.

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01:16:42,280 --> 01:16:43,479
Speaker 6: Like if you are.

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01:16:45,040 --> 01:16:49,679
Speaker 3: A serious alcoholic and you just go cold turkey. This,

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01:16:49,680 --> 01:16:52,160
Speaker 3: this type of crawling out of your skin behavior can

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01:16:52,200 --> 01:16:56,439
Speaker 3: be a thing. Somebody was saying that he was seen

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01:16:56,560 --> 01:16:59,120
Speaker 3: drinking a bud light at a football game or something,

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01:16:59,120 --> 01:17:01,320
Speaker 3: but I don't know, maybe that doesn't even count.

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01:17:01,920 --> 01:17:02,280
Speaker 4: I don't know.

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Speaker 5: I mean, I think, honestly, like, put all of everything

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Speaker 5: that's been reported about Pete Haig Seth, which I'm pretty skeptical.

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Speaker 5: I've met Pete Heg Sath a couple of times. I

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01:17:12,360 --> 01:17:16,120
Speaker 5: don't necessarily think that he has a drinking problem right now,

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01:17:16,280 --> 01:17:21,040
Speaker 5: But put all of that aside, because I'm sure there

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01:17:21,080 --> 01:17:25,080
Speaker 5: are people who have different stories or whatever. But I mean,

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01:17:25,120 --> 01:17:26,759
Speaker 5: I guess a lot of them were from the past.

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01:17:26,840 --> 01:17:30,800
Speaker 5: Either way, I's to say what happened to Charlie Kirk,

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01:17:31,280 --> 01:17:34,320
Speaker 5: we covered it at the time. The ramifications we're not

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01:17:34,360 --> 01:17:37,080
Speaker 5: even talking about a Charlie Kirk related story here, but

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01:17:37,120 --> 01:17:41,120
Speaker 5: the ramifications on the right are going to be significant

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01:17:41,160 --> 01:17:44,080
Speaker 5: in ways that aren't always obvious. And some of that

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01:17:44,200 --> 01:17:49,240
Speaker 5: might be just stoking intense paranoia about personal security in

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01:17:49,520 --> 01:17:53,320
Speaker 5: ways that can push people in dangerous directions. I think, Ryan,

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01:17:53,360 --> 01:17:55,879
Speaker 5: I mean, because when you're paranoid, a lot of paranoid

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01:17:55,960 --> 01:17:56,839
Speaker 5: becomes irrational.

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01:17:56,880 --> 01:17:58,160
Speaker 4: It can start an irrational place.

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01:17:58,200 --> 01:18:01,360
Speaker 5: I think it's rational for public figures right now to

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01:18:01,400 --> 01:18:05,320
Speaker 5: be paranoid after the colbuted assassination of somebody. So yes,

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01:18:05,400 --> 01:18:10,719
Speaker 5: but that can have consequences just on a personal psychological level.

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01:18:10,760 --> 01:18:12,040
Speaker 4: So I don't know if that's what's going on.

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01:18:13,040 --> 01:18:13,600
Speaker 6: But this.

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01:18:15,080 --> 01:18:18,439
Speaker 5: Meeting, I guess I'm just grateful was not some major

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01:18:18,640 --> 01:18:19,480
Speaker 5: war announcement.

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01:18:20,040 --> 01:18:21,200
Speaker 4: And that's a low.

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01:18:21,080 --> 01:18:23,400
Speaker 6: Bar perhaps, and we'll get to that later in the show.

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01:18:23,640 --> 01:18:26,400
Speaker 5: Yes, that might not be announced. It might just happen.

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01:18:26,479 --> 01:18:28,160
Speaker 5: It's sure as hell won't be voted on.

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01:18:28,439 --> 01:18:29,080
Speaker 6: No, it won't.

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01:18:29,280 --> 01:18:31,880
Speaker 5: If you thought the Congress needed to take us to war,

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01:18:32,080 --> 01:18:32,839
Speaker 5: oh boy.

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01:18:33,200 --> 01:18:34,240
Speaker 4: You've been proven wrong.

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01:18:34,920 --> 01:18:37,200
Speaker 5: Right, let's go ahead and get to the flotilla.

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01:18:37,520 --> 01:18:40,920
Speaker 3: So we had planned to make this segment about the

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01:18:40,960 --> 01:18:44,760
Speaker 3: potential interception of the some moood flotilla that is heading

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01:18:44,800 --> 01:18:48,040
Speaker 3: to Gaza that was expected to come overnight.

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01:18:48,200 --> 01:18:50,600
Speaker 6: Because the flotilla has now entered.

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01:18:51,880 --> 01:18:56,760
Speaker 3: The nautical mileage space at which each flotilla before them

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01:18:56,840 --> 01:19:02,800
Speaker 3: has been intercepted by Israeli navy. Still smooth sailing, fascinating literally, yeah,

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01:19:02,800 --> 01:19:05,120
Speaker 3: smooth sailing. Well, I think rough seats, but otherwise smooth

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01:19:05,160 --> 01:19:08,320
Speaker 3: sailing headed towards the Gaza. Short So we will keep

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01:19:08,360 --> 01:19:12,599
Speaker 3: you updated as as that as that unfolds. But instead,

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01:19:12,760 --> 01:19:15,840
Speaker 3: let's let's talk about what else we were going to

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01:19:15,840 --> 01:19:19,360
Speaker 3: talk about. In this segment which is updates on uh

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Speaker 3: the Trump Netna who take it or leave it offer

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01:19:23,240 --> 01:19:27,920
Speaker 3: that he made to the Palestinians, but also uh, it's

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Speaker 3: incredible developments when it comes to the kind of propaganda side.

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Speaker 3: So recently you had net Ya who meeting with a

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Speaker 3: bunch of influencers, which you know, and he said, like,

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Speaker 3: the way that we're going to respond to the the

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01:19:42,120 --> 01:19:46,200
Speaker 3: problems that Israel's message images facing worldwide is we're going

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01:19:46,240 --> 01:19:49,000
Speaker 3: to have our influencers go out there and make the

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01:19:49,040 --> 01:19:51,479
Speaker 3: case on TikTok. And he also said the most important

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01:19:51,520 --> 01:19:54,360
Speaker 3: thing to do is to purchase TikTok like that was

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01:19:54,360 --> 01:19:57,120
Speaker 3: his that was his word. And Larry Ellison, a close

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01:19:57,400 --> 01:20:00,720
Speaker 3: ally of Israel through Oracle, is indeed doing that.

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Speaker 6: But so incredible discovery. It's in a FERI.

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Speaker 3: Filing by Quincy Institute researcher Nick Cleveland Stout and put

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01:20:10,439 --> 01:20:12,880
Speaker 3: this CE one up on the screen. New document reveals

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01:20:13,000 --> 01:20:16,559
Speaker 3: is really government paying a cohort of fourteen to eighteen

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01:20:16,640 --> 01:20:22,320
Speaker 3: social media influencers between six one hundred dollars and seven thousand,

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01:20:22,600 --> 01:20:25,280
Speaker 3: three hundred dollars per post.

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01:20:25,760 --> 01:20:27,960
Speaker 4: The show is now fully in supportive of Israel.

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01:20:28,400 --> 01:20:31,400
Speaker 5: Or coverage rule only be supportive of Israel seven thousand

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01:20:31,439 --> 01:20:33,280
Speaker 5: dollars a post every time we post about it.

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01:20:33,520 --> 01:20:35,720
Speaker 3: So if we do, let's say, if we do a

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01:20:35,800 --> 01:20:39,280
Speaker 3: fifteen minute segment that's slabbering about Israel, and then we

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01:20:39,400 --> 01:20:45,120
Speaker 3: cut it up into fifteen different clips, can we cash

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01:20:45,200 --> 01:20:46,080
Speaker 3: seven thousand each?

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01:20:47,439 --> 01:20:48,679
Speaker 4: Really need a lot of money on the table?

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01:20:48,720 --> 01:20:50,240
Speaker 3: That is big money, that is that is a lot

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01:20:50,240 --> 01:20:54,840
Speaker 3: of money. So we don't yet know the identities of

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01:20:54,880 --> 01:20:57,320
Speaker 3: these fourteen to eighteen on social media, and we.

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Speaker 4: Can guest we can certainly be a fun game.

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01:20:59,560 --> 01:21:00,720
Speaker 6: At some of the game show.

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Speaker 3: I think on a week ago, Brionna Wu announced that

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Speaker 3: she'd be going to TikTok to start doing pro Israel content.

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01:21:07,040 --> 01:21:10,040
Speaker 3: I don't know if she's getting paid or not, but interesting, I.

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01:21:10,080 --> 01:21:12,200
Speaker 5: Guess the pro Israel influencers, it's.

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01:21:12,120 --> 01:21:14,440
Speaker 6: Like interesting timing amazing.

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01:21:15,960 --> 01:21:20,000
Speaker 3: Seven thousand dollars per post to and so we've seen

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01:21:20,040 --> 01:21:22,320
Speaker 3: some of the I don't know if it's these are

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01:21:22,320 --> 01:21:26,520
Speaker 3: the influencers getting paid, but we've seen you know you

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01:21:26,520 --> 01:21:29,639
Speaker 3: you see a lot of posts that have started to circulate.

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01:21:31,400 --> 01:21:33,799
Speaker 6: I'm curious for your take on this. I think that they.

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01:21:33,640 --> 01:21:37,680
Speaker 3: Are now they have endless amounts of money and also

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Speaker 3: drop site.

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Speaker 6: As dropsite reported.

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01:21:42,640 --> 01:21:46,479
Speaker 3: Citing hot retes, Actually the Israel just approved another forty

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01:21:46,520 --> 01:21:50,040
Speaker 3: million dollar boost to their global propaganda budget. This is

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01:21:50,040 --> 01:21:52,240
Speaker 3: on top of one hundred and fifty million dollar increase

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01:21:52,400 --> 01:21:55,240
Speaker 3: over what they had already been doing. Twenty four million

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01:21:55,320 --> 01:21:59,559
Speaker 3: dollars of that is for quote, global influence campaigns, and

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01:21:59,680 --> 01:22:05,439
Speaker 3: six teen million dollars is to finance international delegations visiting Israel.

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01:22:06,080 --> 01:22:11,480
Speaker 3: So these are the whether it's lawmakers or or influencers.

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01:22:12,280 --> 01:22:16,920
Speaker 3: They they fund your trip flights, you know, from New

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01:22:17,000 --> 01:22:21,120
Speaker 3: York to Tel Aviv, nice hotels, good you know, free

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01:22:21,120 --> 01:22:25,320
Speaker 3: food and drinks, travel like your entire trip is paid for.

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01:22:26,479 --> 01:22:29,240
Speaker 3: They send you know, good looking IDF soldiers around with you.

1523
01:22:29,400 --> 01:22:31,120
Speaker 3: It's like this the sold shtick.

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01:22:32,040 --> 01:22:32,639
Speaker 4: Type of soldiers.

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01:22:32,680 --> 01:22:37,599
Speaker 3: Yeah, nature exactly, Yes, BMI is appropriate that Hexeth would

1526
01:22:37,600 --> 01:22:42,439
Speaker 3: be not ashamed, no beards and try to give them

1527
01:22:42,439 --> 01:22:45,080
Speaker 3: a good time. And then they go back and and

1528
01:22:45,280 --> 01:22:47,960
Speaker 3: and they have warm, warm feelings and they have and

1529
01:22:48,000 --> 01:22:49,760
Speaker 3: they meet people who dangle you know.

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01:22:49,720 --> 01:22:50,760
Speaker 6: Future opportunities.

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01:22:51,320 --> 01:22:54,759
Speaker 3: This this is much more direct, like here's seven thousand

1532
01:22:54,760 --> 01:22:58,479
Speaker 3: dollars say something nice about us on TikTok and then

1533
01:22:58,880 --> 01:23:01,400
Speaker 3: then they have the problem of but nobody wants to

1534
01:23:01,479 --> 01:23:04,719
Speaker 3: hear that, so so they then they take over TikTok

1535
01:23:05,120 --> 01:23:07,360
Speaker 3: and juice the algorithm so that you have to hear

1536
01:23:07,400 --> 01:23:08,920
Speaker 3: it like it's just going to show up in your

1537
01:23:09,479 --> 01:23:10,240
Speaker 3: for you page.

1538
01:23:10,920 --> 01:23:12,000
Speaker 4: Well that's an important point.

1539
01:23:12,080 --> 01:23:12,320
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1540
01:23:12,360 --> 01:23:14,920
Speaker 5: So this is something that Nick Cleveland Staut reports over

1541
01:23:15,120 --> 01:23:19,000
Speaker 5: at Quincy, which is I actually think getting under reported.

1542
01:23:20,120 --> 01:23:25,440
Speaker 5: This is coming from Brad par Scale also.

1543
01:23:25,360 --> 01:23:27,439
Speaker 6: And m Trump campaign manager, right.

1544
01:23:27,280 --> 01:23:29,920
Speaker 5: And part of this is also about I'm trying to

1545
01:23:29,920 --> 01:23:32,880
Speaker 5: find the exact part where Nick mentions this, but part

1546
01:23:32,880 --> 01:23:37,160
Speaker 5: of it is also about gaming chat, GPT and AI

1547
01:23:37,240 --> 01:23:42,320
Speaker 5: search engine. It's it's like specifically in what Nick reports

1548
01:23:42,360 --> 01:23:44,000
Speaker 5: on he has a new this is this is what

1549
01:23:44,040 --> 01:23:47,479
Speaker 5: it is. So he did a follow up and it's

1550
01:23:48,120 --> 01:23:51,639
Speaker 5: outlines the Brad par Scale of it all. And brad

1551
01:23:51,640 --> 01:23:55,200
Speaker 5: par Scale is also, uh, this is this is coming

1552
01:23:55,240 --> 01:23:59,000
Speaker 5: to Salem Media Group. Did you did you catch this

1553
01:23:59,040 --> 01:24:03,320
Speaker 5: part of it? So, oh, clock Tower, that's par Scales group.

1554
01:24:03,400 --> 01:24:06,320
Speaker 5: Well integrate it's pro Israel messaging into Salem Media Network

1555
01:24:06,320 --> 01:24:08,519
Speaker 5: property is a conservative Christian media group that boasts a

1556
01:24:08,560 --> 01:24:11,479
Speaker 5: vast radio network and produces high high profile shows such

1557
01:24:11,479 --> 01:24:13,880
Speaker 5: as Hugh Hewett, Larry Elder, Right View with Lara Trump

1558
01:24:13,920 --> 01:24:15,880
Speaker 5: and April, the Conservative Media Network and no stal Trup

1559
01:24:15,920 --> 01:24:18,400
Speaker 5: Junior and Lar Trump, a significant stakeholders in the new company.

1560
01:24:18,720 --> 01:24:21,000
Speaker 5: Salem Media Network, did not respond to a question clarifying

1561
01:24:21,040 --> 01:24:23,040
Speaker 5: whether it would be compensated by clock Tower for promoting

1562
01:24:23,080 --> 01:24:25,200
Speaker 5: messages on behalf of Israel or how these messages would

1563
01:24:25,200 --> 01:24:28,280
Speaker 5: be integrated. That is American media, right, That's that is

1564
01:24:28,360 --> 01:24:31,080
Speaker 5: actually some like conservative news outlets that could be then

1565
01:24:31,160 --> 01:24:35,800
Speaker 5: infiltrated by paid, paid propaganda. There's a difference, and that's

1566
01:24:35,800 --> 01:24:39,360
Speaker 5: not a distinction without a difference. Propaganda is propaganda. Yes,

1567
01:24:39,560 --> 01:24:42,000
Speaker 5: when people are actually getting paid by a foreign government

1568
01:24:42,040 --> 01:24:45,280
Speaker 5: to do propaganda in the sensible news outlets, that's a

1569
01:24:45,360 --> 01:24:46,759
Speaker 5: completely different ballgame.

1570
01:24:46,920 --> 01:24:49,599
Speaker 3: Yeah, so follow the money here, So well, I guess

1571
01:24:49,600 --> 01:24:52,240
Speaker 3: the money starts in the United States, so it is

1572
01:24:52,240 --> 01:24:55,439
Speaker 3: American tax paya money. But so then we stobsidize Israel.

1573
01:24:56,080 --> 01:24:59,000
Speaker 3: Israel uses the money then to send to Brad par Scale,

1574
01:24:59,000 --> 01:25:02,240
Speaker 3: the Trump campaign manager, sure, who then gives it to

1575
01:25:02,320 --> 01:25:06,599
Speaker 3: Lara Trump and other people, presumably in order to foist

1576
01:25:07,040 --> 01:25:13,160
Speaker 3: Israeli propaganda into these media properties. Because CHATCHPT is trained

1577
01:25:13,800 --> 01:25:17,559
Speaker 3: to believe that these media properties have some level of

1578
01:25:18,120 --> 01:25:20,000
Speaker 3: reliability and substance to them.

1579
01:25:20,760 --> 01:25:23,040
Speaker 6: Chat GPT is probably told, you.

1580
01:25:22,960 --> 01:25:27,760
Speaker 3: Know, don't just you know, scrape things from government propaganda

1581
01:25:27,800 --> 01:25:30,479
Speaker 3: websites and then believe it to be the case, like, yeah,

1582
01:25:31,160 --> 01:25:37,040
Speaker 3: it's more reliable to trust news sources rather than direct propaganda.

1583
01:25:37,160 --> 01:25:39,720
Speaker 3: So you so you pay to have the propaganda then

1584
01:25:40,280 --> 01:25:45,080
Speaker 3: smothered into the news properties, these right wing news properties,

1585
01:25:45,280 --> 01:25:49,559
Speaker 3: and then chat GPT absorbs it into its code. And

1586
01:25:49,600 --> 01:25:53,840
Speaker 3: then when you ask chat GPT, you know, is Israel good,

1587
01:25:54,600 --> 01:25:57,960
Speaker 3: chat GPT responds based on the raw material that it's

1588
01:25:58,200 --> 01:26:02,920
Speaker 3: producing from these from these news shows, which then also

1589
01:26:02,960 --> 01:26:05,320
Speaker 3: can they have. Then they then they have Wikipedia armies

1590
01:26:05,800 --> 01:26:09,559
Speaker 3: that then try to edit Wikipedia articles sourcing to these

1591
01:26:10,080 --> 01:26:14,400
Speaker 3: news shows that they have fought internally inside Wikipedia to

1592
01:26:14,439 --> 01:26:18,080
Speaker 3: get labeled as credible news sources. And then you tilt

1593
01:26:18,080 --> 01:26:22,200
Speaker 3: Wikipedia and then and Wikipedia becomes raw material for chat

1594
01:26:22,320 --> 01:26:25,600
Speaker 3: EPT and other ai as well too, because within a

1595
01:26:25,680 --> 01:26:29,880
Speaker 3: few years, everyone's understanding of reality will be shaped by

1596
01:26:29,880 --> 01:26:33,439
Speaker 3: whatever these ais tell them is the reality. So there's

1597
01:26:33,479 --> 01:26:37,360
Speaker 3: this massive arms race to shape what that reality is

1598
01:26:37,400 --> 01:26:37,880
Speaker 3: going to look like.

1599
01:26:37,880 --> 01:26:40,559
Speaker 5: And by the way, This happened right after Nick mentions this.

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01:26:41,840 --> 01:26:43,840
Speaker 5: We probably mentioned this on the show. But the s

1601
01:26:43,920 --> 01:26:47,960
Speaker 5: KDK Knickerbocker campaign to run a bot farm for the

1602
01:26:48,120 --> 01:26:49,720
Speaker 5: Israeli Narrative Social.

1603
01:26:49,439 --> 01:26:52,439
Speaker 6: Statue Group thing that we reported on, Yeah.

1604
01:26:52,280 --> 01:26:54,240
Speaker 4: Right, yeah exactly. So this is coming.

1605
01:26:54,880 --> 01:26:57,400
Speaker 5: Lest you think it is is just conservative media that's

1606
01:26:57,439 --> 01:27:02,480
Speaker 5: being infiltrated, Democrats are taking money to infiltrate social media

1607
01:27:02,520 --> 01:27:04,880
Speaker 5: with these narratives as well.

1608
01:27:05,360 --> 01:27:07,920
Speaker 3: And is Man No, And it can't happen a moment

1609
01:27:07,960 --> 01:27:10,080
Speaker 3: too soon for Israel because let's take a look at

1610
01:27:10,120 --> 01:27:12,559
Speaker 3: the trash that they're currently putting out.

1611
01:27:13,200 --> 01:27:14,519
Speaker 6: We put up C two.

1612
01:27:15,560 --> 01:27:20,679
Speaker 3: So Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs yes yesterday put out

1613
01:27:20,680 --> 01:27:26,920
Speaker 3: this post saying exposed official Hamas documents and that's when

1614
01:27:26,920 --> 01:27:29,200
Speaker 3: everybody is like, oh my god, official MAMAS dockets.

1615
01:27:29,320 --> 01:27:30,840
Speaker 6: Yeah sure, found.

1616
01:27:30,640 --> 01:27:33,479
Speaker 3: In the Gaza strip now revealed for the first time.

1617
01:27:33,560 --> 01:27:37,160
Speaker 3: Turns out they tried to reveal these exact same documents

1618
01:27:37,439 --> 01:27:40,960
Speaker 3: in June and they think we all forgot about it.

1619
01:27:41,439 --> 01:27:45,880
Speaker 3: Prove Hamas's direct involvement in the funding and execution of

1620
01:27:45,920 --> 01:27:47,840
Speaker 3: this some mood flotilla to Gaza.

1621
01:27:48,080 --> 01:27:49,320
Speaker 6: Huge news if true.

1622
01:27:49,880 --> 01:27:52,519
Speaker 3: You then poke a little bit further into it and

1623
01:27:52,600 --> 01:27:54,720
Speaker 3: turns out none of this is remotely true. But they

1624
01:27:54,720 --> 01:27:57,599
Speaker 3: write Hamas documents that were discovered in the Gaza Strip

1625
01:27:57,640 --> 01:27:59,880
Speaker 3: and are being revealed for the first time, again not true,

1626
01:28:00,240 --> 01:28:02,320
Speaker 3: show a direct link between the flotilla leaders and the

1627
01:28:02,360 --> 01:28:06,679
Speaker 3: Hamas terrorist organization. The way they try to put this together,

1628
01:28:06,720 --> 01:28:11,240
Speaker 3: they say the Palestinian Conference for Palestinans Abroad was established

1629
01:28:11,280 --> 01:28:15,240
Speaker 3: in twenty eighteen and functions as Hamas's representative body abroad,

1630
01:28:15,360 --> 01:28:19,880
Speaker 3: operating de facto as Hamas embassies. The organization operates under

1631
01:28:19,920 --> 01:28:22,439
Speaker 3: the pretense of civilian cover, is responsible on behalf of

1632
01:28:22,479 --> 01:28:27,719
Speaker 3: Hamas for mobilizing actions against Israel. Then it says first

1633
01:28:27,720 --> 01:28:29,760
Speaker 3: official Hamas document was found in the God Strip, a

1634
01:28:29,840 --> 01:28:32,080
Speaker 3: letter from twenty twenty one, signed by head of the

1635
01:28:32,080 --> 01:28:36,400
Speaker 3: Hamas Political bureau Ismael Hania, directly and explicitly calling on

1636
01:28:36,479 --> 01:28:42,800
Speaker 3: the PCPA chairman for unity. So let's pretend, and I

1637
01:28:42,840 --> 01:28:44,600
Speaker 3: posted this on Twitter and said this should be a

1638
01:28:44,640 --> 01:28:48,720
Speaker 3: critical thinking test for students in a class on propaganda.

1639
01:28:49,320 --> 01:28:51,680
Speaker 3: So let's pretend for a second that all of this,

1640
01:28:52,000 --> 01:28:54,160
Speaker 3: everything that they're saying within the four corners of this

1641
01:28:54,200 --> 01:28:57,559
Speaker 3: is true. Huge, gigantic if But let's just pretend. Let's

1642
01:28:57,560 --> 01:28:59,760
Speaker 3: say they have a letter from Hania, who they assassinated

1643
01:28:59,800 --> 01:29:03,559
Speaker 3: in t Ryan in his bedroom, that is calling on

1644
01:29:03,640 --> 01:29:08,800
Speaker 3: the PCPA chairman for unity in twenty twenty one. So here,

1645
01:29:08,880 --> 01:29:12,320
Speaker 3: put on your critical thinking hat. If Haneya has to

1646
01:29:12,439 --> 01:29:19,280
Speaker 3: ask the PCPA for unity, does Hamas run the PCPA.

1647
01:29:20,400 --> 01:29:21,120
Speaker 6: Think that went through?

1648
01:29:22,040 --> 01:29:24,519
Speaker 3: If they're not happy with whatever the PCPA is doing,

1649
01:29:25,120 --> 01:29:28,600
Speaker 3: why are they out there asking for unit separately?

1650
01:29:29,120 --> 01:29:30,200
Speaker 6: This is twenty twenty one.

1651
01:29:31,040 --> 01:29:35,599
Speaker 3: Was this samood flotilla class organized in twenty twenty one?

1652
01:29:38,120 --> 01:29:38,519
Speaker 9: Anyway?

1653
01:29:39,040 --> 01:29:41,880
Speaker 5: So if you're just listening to this year, missing Ryan's

1654
01:29:41,880 --> 01:29:42,840
Speaker 5: facial expression.

1655
01:29:43,200 --> 01:29:47,360
Speaker 3: So anyway, Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs is in desperate

1656
01:29:47,360 --> 01:29:50,920
Speaker 3: need of help. So this this forty million dollar boost,

1657
01:29:51,600 --> 01:29:53,880
Speaker 3: it couldn't come a moment too soon. And good lord,

1658
01:29:53,920 --> 01:29:56,400
Speaker 3: these fourteen to eighteen TikTokers are going to have their

1659
01:29:56,400 --> 01:29:59,719
Speaker 3: work cutout for them. Can you imagine being fed this stuff?

1660
01:30:00,160 --> 01:30:01,880
Speaker 3: Be like, all right, for seven thousand dollars, make a

1661
01:30:01,880 --> 01:30:07,080
Speaker 3: post about how this is true. And let's imagine for

1662
01:30:07,080 --> 01:30:09,080
Speaker 3: a second that you have critical thinking skills and you

1663
01:30:09,120 --> 01:30:10,720
Speaker 3: read this and you're like, oh my god, that like

1664
01:30:11,680 --> 01:30:13,559
Speaker 3: this is what you're going with. And I haven't even

1665
01:30:13,640 --> 01:30:18,880
Speaker 3: mentioned yet that they put up some documents. They put

1666
01:30:18,920 --> 01:30:21,599
Speaker 3: up some photos with Greta and then circle the guy

1667
01:30:21,640 --> 01:30:25,960
Speaker 3: in red. The guy in red is George Galloway, who's

1668
01:30:26,000 --> 01:30:32,200
Speaker 3: a British citizen in former yeah and former member of parliament,

1669
01:30:32,920 --> 01:30:37,760
Speaker 3: who in Israel's defense, is pretty like Hesbel and Hamas sympathetic.

1670
01:30:38,160 --> 01:30:41,840
Speaker 3: He will take like he look up any interviews with him.

1671
01:30:42,040 --> 01:30:47,200
Speaker 3: He's fun to watch, very like articulate and passionate defender

1672
01:30:47,280 --> 01:30:49,400
Speaker 3: of armed resistance to colonialism all.

1673
01:30:49,320 --> 01:30:52,400
Speaker 6: Over the globe. But he's not the guy they're saying.

1674
01:30:52,400 --> 01:30:54,280
Speaker 4: He is right getting it wrong.

1675
01:30:54,400 --> 01:30:56,920
Speaker 3: You're getting it wrong here. And also it's George Galloway,

1676
01:30:57,080 --> 01:30:59,719
Speaker 3: So what's your point. You found Greta in a picture

1677
01:30:59,760 --> 01:31:03,800
Speaker 3: with George Galloway, this is your evidence. And again, like

1678
01:31:03,840 --> 01:31:07,800
Speaker 3: I said, this is pretending that all of this is

1679
01:31:07,840 --> 01:31:11,360
Speaker 3: actually authentic and true, which is which is a gigantic

1680
01:31:11,400 --> 01:31:15,240
Speaker 3: if what what why it's serious is that this is

1681
01:31:16,240 --> 01:31:18,280
Speaker 3: these are the kinds of things they do before they

1682
01:31:18,320 --> 01:31:23,160
Speaker 3: take violent action against, in this instance, the flotilla to

1683
01:31:23,200 --> 01:31:26,719
Speaker 3: try to say like, actually the flotilla is Hamas right,

1684
01:31:27,080 --> 01:31:28,640
Speaker 3: and that's why we had to blow it out of

1685
01:31:28,640 --> 01:31:30,960
Speaker 3: the water. Let's hope that this is not the case.

1686
01:31:31,320 --> 01:31:37,080
Speaker 3: The pump ye who do yeah? So anyway, a quick

1687
01:31:37,160 --> 01:31:42,439
Speaker 3: update as well on the that the the the savage

1688
01:31:42,439 --> 01:31:45,599
Speaker 3: attacks on Palestinians inside Gaza. If you thought that they

1689
01:31:45,600 --> 01:31:51,000
Speaker 3: were going to abate while while the final discussions around

1690
01:31:51,240 --> 01:31:54,280
Speaker 3: the take it or leave it off or from Trump

1691
01:31:54,280 --> 01:31:57,200
Speaker 3: and that ya who are being considered you, you would

1692
01:31:57,240 --> 01:31:59,720
Speaker 3: be wrong. We put up this next element up on

1693
01:31:59,720 --> 01:32:03,439
Speaker 3: the screen. There was another double tap strike, this one

1694
01:32:03,600 --> 01:32:06,880
Speaker 3: in Gaza City's Alsa two neighborhood, where they hit a

1695
01:32:06,960 --> 01:32:11,960
Speaker 3: school and then waited until paramedics and civil defense whose

1696
01:32:12,040 --> 01:32:13,519
Speaker 3: job it is to get people out of the rubble,

1697
01:32:14,000 --> 01:32:15,479
Speaker 3: showed up at the site and then hit it again.

1698
01:32:17,160 --> 01:32:20,760
Speaker 3: If you want more details on you know, what's been

1699
01:32:20,760 --> 01:32:22,479
Speaker 3: going on in the last forty eight hours, I would

1700
01:32:22,600 --> 01:32:25,640
Speaker 3: just suggest you sign up for Dropsit Daily. There's our

1701
01:32:25,680 --> 01:32:30,080
Speaker 3: new morning newsletter which really goes into into detail what's

1702
01:32:30,160 --> 01:32:34,160
Speaker 3: going on there. And then when it comes to the negotiations,

1703
01:32:34,960 --> 01:32:38,600
Speaker 3: two pieces of two pieces of news there if you

1704
01:32:38,600 --> 01:32:41,200
Speaker 3: can put up C four. Trump was asked how much

1705
01:32:41,200 --> 01:32:45,320
Speaker 3: time does amasqu get and he said three or four days.

1706
01:32:45,800 --> 01:32:49,920
Speaker 3: Al Jazeera now reporting that officials from Cutzer, Egypt, and

1707
01:32:49,960 --> 01:32:54,040
Speaker 3: Turkey met in Doha on Tuesday with the Hamas negotiating

1708
01:32:54,120 --> 01:32:59,360
Speaker 3: delegation to go over the twenty point ceasefire plan. Hamas

1709
01:32:59,400 --> 01:33:02,479
Speaker 3: said it will still with quote with great responsibility, which

1710
01:33:02,520 --> 01:33:07,519
Speaker 3: is you know that's that's that's not an outright rejection,

1711
01:33:08,400 --> 01:33:11,519
Speaker 3: and I do think they're under enormous pressure to say

1712
01:33:11,560 --> 01:33:14,080
Speaker 3: yes to this and we can put up CEE five.

1713
01:33:14,880 --> 01:33:16,479
Speaker 6: Palist Islama Jahad, which.

1714
01:33:16,320 --> 01:33:20,440
Speaker 3: Is kind of the second largest resistance faction in the coalition,

1715
01:33:21,840 --> 01:33:27,680
Speaker 3: initially came out with a pretty blunt not rejection but

1716
01:33:27,920 --> 01:33:30,439
Speaker 3: condemnation of it. I think nobody wants to say that

1717
01:33:30,479 --> 01:33:32,719
Speaker 3: this is going to be good because if it does

1718
01:33:32,760 --> 01:33:35,960
Speaker 3: go into place, Palistins will be living with the consequences

1719
01:33:36,000 --> 01:33:37,439
Speaker 3: of it for years to come. And don't they don't

1720
01:33:37,479 --> 01:33:41,240
Speaker 3: want there to say to endorse it. But that's different

1721
01:33:41,280 --> 01:33:44,640
Speaker 3: than trying to find a way to accept it. And

1722
01:33:44,680 --> 01:33:48,080
Speaker 3: so a p I J spokesperson is out again kind

1723
01:33:48,080 --> 01:33:52,720
Speaker 3: of condemning it, but also saying that you know, they

1724
01:33:52,760 --> 01:33:55,920
Speaker 3: want Palestinian unity and they want the Palestini authority to

1725
01:33:56,240 --> 01:33:56,920
Speaker 3: agree to it.

1726
01:33:57,280 --> 01:33:59,800
Speaker 6: This is a kind of hold hands and jump type

1727
01:33:59,800 --> 01:34:00,320
Speaker 6: of statement.

1728
01:34:00,400 --> 01:34:04,120
Speaker 3: So you can read it here, very critical of it,

1729
01:34:05,840 --> 01:34:08,400
Speaker 3: and they're trying to get the Arab countries.

1730
01:34:08,439 --> 01:34:11,160
Speaker 6: They say, if Arabs have a real role, they must

1731
01:34:11,160 --> 01:34:15,200
Speaker 6: pressure Trump to adopt their statement. Because the.

1732
01:34:16,840 --> 01:34:20,240
Speaker 3: Twenty one point plan that the Arab leaders agreed to

1733
01:34:20,320 --> 01:34:23,360
Speaker 3: became a twenty point significantly edited plan after they met

1734
01:34:23,360 --> 01:34:25,320
Speaker 3: with nen Yahu. They're saying, can we at least go

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Speaker 3: back to that initial one. I doubt they'll be able

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Speaker 3: to do that, So they have a couple of days

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01:34:31,720 --> 01:34:35,719
Speaker 3: before they respond. But I've asked a bunch of different

1738
01:34:35,800 --> 01:34:39,600
Speaker 3: Palestinians and Gaza their what their take is on this,

1739
01:34:39,680 --> 01:34:43,200
Speaker 3: and to a person, they say, like, we just want

1740
01:34:43,200 --> 01:34:47,040
Speaker 3: to stand, like it doesn't this terrible deal, but we

1741
01:34:47,200 --> 01:34:51,120
Speaker 3: just want to stand under any circumstances, under any condition.

1742
01:34:51,760 --> 01:34:54,120
Speaker 3: People are just people are starving to death and living

1743
01:34:54,120 --> 01:34:57,000
Speaker 3: in intents if they're lucky, like it's it's actually pretty

1744
01:34:57,040 --> 01:35:00,679
Speaker 3: hard to get a tent, let alone food and water

1745
01:35:01,080 --> 01:35:02,200
Speaker 3: and access to medical care.

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01:35:02,320 --> 01:35:04,760
Speaker 6: So people just want this to stop. And so I

1747
01:35:04,800 --> 01:35:06,559
Speaker 6: think you're so.

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01:35:06,720 --> 01:35:09,120
Speaker 3: I think the Hamas will come back with some type

1749
01:35:09,160 --> 01:35:11,920
Speaker 3: of yes, with some tweaks, right, with some tweaks, and

1750
01:35:11,960 --> 01:35:15,360
Speaker 3: we'll see if Yah who uses the attempt to get

1751
01:35:15,360 --> 01:35:17,360
Speaker 3: some tweaks to then just restart the war.

1752
01:35:17,600 --> 01:35:20,720
Speaker 5: It's all yeah, and it's very possible. Obviously, as you

1753
01:35:20,760 --> 01:35:23,280
Speaker 5: guys have reported that, it was a giant pretext because

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01:35:23,320 --> 01:35:25,280
Speaker 5: Donald Trump and Netyah who I was there I was

1755
01:35:25,320 --> 01:35:28,240
Speaker 5: at the press conference, made a point of emphasizing we

1756
01:35:28,280 --> 01:35:29,840
Speaker 5: could do this the easy way or the hard way,

1757
01:35:30,439 --> 01:35:34,000
Speaker 5: and that Neta Yahu will be able to as they said,

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01:35:34,240 --> 01:35:36,680
Speaker 5: Israel will be able to take care of the rest itself.

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Speaker 4: So not an unfair reading of the agreement they worked on.

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Speaker 3: So meanwhile, let's get to the soy apocalypse hitting American farmers.

1761
01:35:50,800 --> 01:35:54,599
Speaker 3: So last week, the Treasury Department announced a twenty billion

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01:35:54,800 --> 01:36:01,800
Speaker 3: dollar bailout of the chainsaw wielding Argentinian libertarian president Javier Milai,

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01:36:02,240 --> 01:36:05,240
Speaker 3: which actually turned out to be a backdoor bailout of

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01:36:05,320 --> 01:36:13,080
Speaker 3: American hedge funds and China. Meanwhile, it is driving soybean

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01:36:13,080 --> 01:36:15,240
Speaker 3: farmers in the United States absolutely mad.

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Speaker 6: Let's roll JD.

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Speaker 3: Schulton, a lawmaker from Iowa, talking about the effect of

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Speaker 3: this trade war on soybean farmers in Iowa.

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Speaker 18: Trump's illegal terrorists have single handedly destroyed the US soybean

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01:36:28,400 --> 01:36:31,479
Speaker 18: market as of yesterday, the price of soybeans is about

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01:36:31,600 --> 01:36:34,280
Speaker 18: nine dollars and thirty four cents here in Iowa. The

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01:36:34,320 --> 01:36:37,040
Speaker 18: cost of production is anywhere from eleven dollars to eleven

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01:36:37,080 --> 01:36:41,160
Speaker 18: dollars and fifty cents. So per bushel of soybeans, it's

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Speaker 18: about a two dollars loss. And when you add the

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01:36:43,200 --> 01:36:46,880
Speaker 18: fact that it's about fifty bushels and an acre of

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01:36:46,920 --> 01:36:49,200
Speaker 18: soybeans here, you can do the math to see how

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Speaker 18: bad things are. Historically, sixty percent of Iowa soybeans have

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Speaker 18: gone to China. With Trump's trade wars from its first administration,

1779
01:36:56,400 --> 01:36:59,679
Speaker 18: the US has become an unreliable supplier. So instead of

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01:36:59,840 --> 01:37:03,760
Speaker 18: the soybeans going to China, it's soybeans from South America,

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01:37:03,800 --> 01:37:07,120
Speaker 18: like places like Brazil and Argentina. That leads to more

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01:37:07,160 --> 01:37:09,360
Speaker 18: grains going to be left in the bin, which means

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01:37:09,400 --> 01:37:12,320
Speaker 18: to oversupply, which means still lower prices. So here's what

1784
01:37:12,320 --> 01:37:15,360
Speaker 18: we need to do. We need to demand trade, not aid.

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Speaker 18: Farmers don't want to bail out, they want markets. The

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01:37:18,400 --> 01:37:20,520
Speaker 18: second thing we need to do is push for competition

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Speaker 18: both on the market side and especially on the input

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Speaker 18: side with seed and fertilizer costs.

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Speaker 3: So that's Jadie Schulton and Iowa Democratic lawmaker is actually

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01:37:28,360 --> 01:37:31,800
Speaker 3: a former Minor League pitcher. Really yeah, and he's a

1791
01:37:31,800 --> 01:37:35,840
Speaker 3: big antitrust guy. But you don't have to take it

1792
01:37:35,880 --> 01:37:39,000
Speaker 3: from the populist left Chuck Grassley if you want to

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01:37:39,000 --> 01:37:42,479
Speaker 3: call him a populist. Linnet Now Iowa senator had one

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01:37:42,520 --> 01:37:46,120
Speaker 3: of his classic no punctuation random caps tweets where he

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01:37:46,160 --> 01:37:51,120
Speaker 3: says farmers very upset about Argentina selling soybeans to China

1796
01:37:51,240 --> 01:37:56,400
Speaker 3: right after USA bailout. Still zero USA soybeans sold to China. Meanwhile,

1797
01:37:56,479 --> 01:38:00,519
Speaker 3: China is still hitting USA with twenty percent retaliates tariff

1798
01:38:00,520 --> 01:38:03,639
Speaker 3: need China trade deal now, farmers need markets to boost

1799
01:38:04,120 --> 01:38:06,679
Speaker 3: farm economy. He still uses number two because he doesn't

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Speaker 3: know that you can actually just tweet past the one.

1801
01:38:09,880 --> 01:38:12,160
Speaker 3: I probably didn't know about the one forty character limit.

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01:38:12,720 --> 01:38:16,719
Speaker 3: So basically what's going on is that, as JD. Schulton said, there,

1803
01:38:16,920 --> 01:38:21,439
Speaker 3: China buys more than half of Iowa's soybeans every year.

1804
01:38:23,080 --> 01:38:26,479
Speaker 3: In twenty seventeen and eighteen, Trump started a trade war

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01:38:26,960 --> 01:38:31,400
Speaker 3: with China, and China retaliated by at the time building

1806
01:38:31,960 --> 01:38:36,320
Speaker 3: relationships with a bunch of Brazilian soy farmers. What They

1807
01:38:36,320 --> 01:38:40,360
Speaker 3: also did is they started investing in Brazil. Because Brazil

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01:38:40,400 --> 01:38:43,160
Speaker 3: didn't have the infrastructure and the export technology and the

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01:38:43,240 --> 01:38:47,000
Speaker 3: on site storage to really meet Chinese demand, then't and

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Speaker 3: they don't have the economic base.

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Speaker 6: To do it on their own.

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01:38:49,280 --> 01:38:51,280
Speaker 3: So China was like, oh, United States is going to

1813
01:38:51,400 --> 01:38:55,439
Speaker 3: play games, Well, why don't we invest in Brazil and

1814
01:38:55,479 --> 01:38:57,759
Speaker 3: make it so that they are a more stable partner.

1815
01:38:58,040 --> 01:39:03,120
Speaker 3: So now Brazilian soybean production since twenties eighteen, when Trump

1816
01:39:03,200 --> 01:39:06,439
Speaker 3: first started his trade war with China, has almost doubled.

1817
01:39:06,760 --> 01:39:09,719
Speaker 3: So Brazil now can feed China a lot more effectively

1818
01:39:09,760 --> 01:39:11,880
Speaker 3: than they could nearly ten years ago when Trump started this.

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Speaker 6: Argentina is the other big player.

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Speaker 5: Which, by the way, that is a preview of what

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01:39:15,640 --> 01:39:18,479
Speaker 5: could potentially come ten years after this current trade We're

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01:39:18,520 --> 01:39:20,599
Speaker 5: on different issues, not even just soybee exactly.

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01:39:20,680 --> 01:39:24,360
Speaker 3: Yes, we think that with this trade war that we're

1824
01:39:24,360 --> 01:39:28,920
Speaker 3: positioning America for this renaissance. In fact, we're just encouraging

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01:39:29,240 --> 01:39:32,800
Speaker 3: other countries to figure out ways of existing without.

1826
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Speaker 5: Us, which is I mean, there are circumstances where that

1827
01:39:36,520 --> 01:39:38,120
Speaker 5: may be fine.

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Speaker 6: But in this case, you're a soybean farmer.

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01:39:40,520 --> 01:39:43,800
Speaker 5: You're soybeing right, exactly, And I think it speaks to

1830
01:39:44,800 --> 01:39:50,559
Speaker 5: the level of strategy that's actually at play, as opposed

1831
01:39:50,600 --> 01:39:54,600
Speaker 5: to just like slapping crazy numbers out there or on

1832
01:39:54,640 --> 01:39:58,000
Speaker 5: different countries, slapping these numbers on there. But like, there

1833
01:39:58,120 --> 01:40:00,880
Speaker 5: was obviously not a lot of thought about what was

1834
01:40:00,920 --> 01:40:04,599
Speaker 5: happening with Argentina and soybeans. When the bailout happened, it

1835
01:40:04,680 --> 01:40:07,439
Speaker 5: was hedge fund guys are freaking out, and we, like Mela,

1836
01:40:07,800 --> 01:40:09,439
Speaker 5: it wasn't what are they going to turn around and

1837
01:40:09,479 --> 01:40:12,759
Speaker 5: do with soybeans in China? And I think that's actually

1838
01:40:12,800 --> 01:40:13,839
Speaker 5: an important insight.

1839
01:40:13,640 --> 01:40:14,400
Speaker 4: Into the process.

1840
01:40:14,600 --> 01:40:15,559
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, exactly.

1841
01:40:15,600 --> 01:40:18,640
Speaker 3: And in a moment we'll be joined by Joe Vastlovic

1842
01:40:18,720 --> 01:40:21,200
Speaker 3: from the Grain Markets and Other Stuff podcasts, which I

1843
01:40:21,200 --> 01:40:24,880
Speaker 3: love that they describe themselves as the biggest grain market

1844
01:40:25,240 --> 01:40:26,880
Speaker 3: podcast in the world on the planet Earth.

1845
01:40:26,920 --> 01:40:28,000
Speaker 6: I love it. Got to love that.

1846
01:40:28,680 --> 01:40:30,880
Speaker 3: So they'll talk to us about what the effects have

1847
01:40:30,920 --> 01:40:33,920
Speaker 3: been on the grain market. But yes, the hedge funds

1848
01:40:34,240 --> 01:40:37,479
Speaker 3: and Scott bess at former hedge fund guy are you

1849
01:40:37,520 --> 01:40:43,160
Speaker 3: ever a former hedge fund guy? Exactly, Hedge American hedge funds.

1850
01:40:43,240 --> 01:40:45,400
Speaker 3: When Melay was elected, we're like, oh, this is great,

1851
01:40:45,400 --> 01:40:48,280
Speaker 3: We're going long on Argentina because Mela is going to

1852
01:40:48,320 --> 01:40:50,920
Speaker 3: do the thing we love. He's going to brutalize the

1853
01:40:51,000 --> 01:40:53,479
Speaker 3: unions and the poor, and it's got the government spending

1854
01:40:53,520 --> 01:40:56,280
Speaker 3: and as a result, foreign capital is going to flow

1855
01:40:56,320 --> 01:40:59,240
Speaker 3: into Argentina and the economy is going to grow. So

1856
01:40:59,280 --> 01:41:03,280
Speaker 3: they all their chips in on Argentina doing great. Instead,

1857
01:41:03,880 --> 01:41:06,840
Speaker 3: what everybody else predicted is what happened. The economy further

1858
01:41:06,920 --> 01:41:10,719
Speaker 3: deteriorated and fell apart. And so now these hedge funds

1859
01:41:10,760 --> 01:41:14,080
Speaker 3: were looking at huge losses on their stupid bets. Turns

1860
01:41:14,080 --> 01:41:16,679
Speaker 3: out they were smart because they got the economics wrong,

1861
01:41:17,040 --> 01:41:19,559
Speaker 3: but they got the politics right. And Bessent is coming

1862
01:41:19,600 --> 01:41:23,559
Speaker 3: in and bailing out all of these hedge funds. Now now,

1863
01:41:23,800 --> 01:41:27,639
Speaker 3: at the same time that Argentina is getting this twenty

1864
01:41:27,680 --> 01:41:31,960
Speaker 3: billion dollar bailout, they announced that they are cutting their

1865
01:41:32,000 --> 01:41:33,360
Speaker 3: export tariffs.

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Speaker 6: For soybeans, which.

1867
01:41:36,280 --> 01:41:41,400
Speaker 3: Slashes the cost of soybeans, and China instantly buys enormous

1868
01:41:41,400 --> 01:41:42,040
Speaker 3: amounts of.

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01:41:43,479 --> 01:41:44,640
Speaker 6: Argentinian soybeans.

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Speaker 3: But don't take it from me, because you know who

1871
01:41:47,439 --> 01:41:53,320
Speaker 3: wants to believe me, So Agriculture Secretary brook rollins Trump's

1872
01:41:53,360 --> 01:41:59,360
Speaker 3: ag secretary texts, so got Vessent and somebody named JAG.

1873
01:41:59,600 --> 01:42:03,519
Speaker 3: And we know this because a photographer. I think it's

1874
01:42:03,560 --> 01:42:04,360
Speaker 3: Jeffrey Goldberg.

1875
01:42:06,080 --> 01:42:07,439
Speaker 4: He is in the chats.

1876
01:42:07,640 --> 01:42:11,960
Speaker 3: He's still getting in the chats, probably Jamison Greer, the

1877
01:42:12,120 --> 01:42:13,200
Speaker 3: US trade representative.

1878
01:42:13,280 --> 01:42:14,880
Speaker 6: That would make a lot of sense.

1879
01:42:16,200 --> 01:42:18,479
Speaker 3: But making sense it's not always what drives these things.

1880
01:42:18,479 --> 01:42:20,920
Speaker 3: So let's just pretend it's Jeffrey Goldber. I actually texted

1881
01:42:21,400 --> 01:42:23,280
Speaker 3: Jeffrey Goldberg yesterday. I was like, look, you're still in

1882
01:42:23,320 --> 01:42:25,400
Speaker 3: these chats. He did not respond, so maybe he is.

1883
01:42:26,320 --> 01:42:32,400
Speaker 3: So anyway, she texts Scott Besant and JG, which we

1884
01:42:32,439 --> 01:42:36,920
Speaker 3: assume is Greer, and so she writes and so this

1885
01:42:37,040 --> 01:42:40,280
Speaker 3: is best getting lit up in the meeting and letting

1886
01:42:40,320 --> 01:42:41,080
Speaker 3: somebody photograph.

1887
01:42:41,200 --> 01:42:44,120
Speaker 5: An Associated Press photographer got a snap on the phone.

1888
01:42:44,280 --> 01:42:46,639
Speaker 6: So the text says, I'm getting more intel.

1889
01:42:46,680 --> 01:42:49,719
Speaker 3: This is Brooke to bet j G. I'm getting more intel.

1890
01:42:49,840 --> 01:42:53,839
Speaker 3: But this is highly unfortunate. We bailed out Argentina yesterday.

1891
01:42:54,000 --> 01:42:58,040
Speaker 3: Parentheses besten so just to him so that James Ingreed

1892
01:42:58,040 --> 01:43:00,560
Speaker 3: doesn't catch any or Jeffrey Goldberg doesn't catch strays in

1893
01:43:00,600 --> 01:43:04,720
Speaker 3: this text message chain. And in return, the Argentines removed

1894
01:43:04,760 --> 01:43:08,559
Speaker 3: their export tariffs on grains reducing their price and sold

1895
01:43:08,560 --> 01:43:10,680
Speaker 3: a bunch of soybeans to China at a time when

1896
01:43:10,680 --> 01:43:13,519
Speaker 3: we would normally be selling to China. Soy price is

1897
01:43:13,600 --> 01:43:17,240
Speaker 3: dropping further because of it. This gives China more leverage

1898
01:43:17,280 --> 01:43:20,559
Speaker 3: on us on a plane. But Scott, I can call

1899
01:43:20,600 --> 01:43:21,479
Speaker 3: you when I land.

1900
01:43:23,040 --> 01:43:26,679
Speaker 4: Did nobody think about this at the reetorda question?

1901
01:43:26,800 --> 01:43:28,679
Speaker 6: No, clearly nobody thought because they don't care.

1902
01:43:29,040 --> 01:43:32,320
Speaker 3: The hedge fund guys were looking at losses and Melay

1903
01:43:32,520 --> 01:43:35,240
Speaker 3: and Bessont said in his public statement when he made

1904
01:43:35,280 --> 01:43:37,479
Speaker 3: the bailout that the reason he was doing it is

1905
01:43:37,520 --> 01:43:40,679
Speaker 3: that Malay has an upcoming important election. Yes, and he

1906
01:43:40,760 --> 01:43:43,280
Speaker 3: wants Malay to win the election because then that will

1907
01:43:43,280 --> 01:43:47,400
Speaker 3: bring more investment into Argentina. So he is out loud

1908
01:43:47,520 --> 01:43:51,160
Speaker 3: saying that the United States is using American taxpayer money

1909
01:43:51,160 --> 01:43:55,320
Speaker 3: to intervene in Argentina's election, saying it out loud.

1910
01:43:55,160 --> 01:43:57,960
Speaker 5: And to undermine than American soybean farmers. We have a

1911
01:43:58,000 --> 01:43:59,960
Speaker 5: lot of different I have a lot of questions for

1912
01:44:00,200 --> 01:44:03,280
Speaker 5: our guests about Matt Stohler's analysis of this and what

1913
01:44:03,320 --> 01:44:06,400
Speaker 5: the Trump administration is doing to help, like maybe assuage

1914
01:44:06,520 --> 01:44:11,439
Speaker 5: concerns of farmers and people in the egg industry overall.

1915
01:44:11,520 --> 01:44:15,519
Speaker 5: But that is the text message is such a great

1916
01:44:15,520 --> 01:44:19,160
Speaker 5: insight into the illusion of grand strategy.

1917
01:44:19,439 --> 01:44:22,759
Speaker 3: Right, and again, geopolitical, would you call it very unfortunate,

1918
01:44:22,880 --> 01:44:23,800
Speaker 3: highly unfortunate?

1919
01:44:24,200 --> 01:44:26,720
Speaker 6: The geopolitically, it's not like a flood.

1920
01:44:26,640 --> 01:44:32,000
Speaker 5: Right, Argentina is from the Trump administration's perspective geopolitically and

1921
01:44:32,000 --> 01:44:35,720
Speaker 5: a very important ally when you have Venezuela, when you

1922
01:44:35,840 --> 01:44:43,480
Speaker 5: have Colombia and what are perceived of like anti American administrations,

1923
01:44:43,600 --> 01:44:46,559
Speaker 5: especially like as we've covered before, the pink wave taking

1924
01:44:46,560 --> 01:44:50,360
Speaker 5: over some of those countries. They want to keep Argentina happy,

1925
01:44:50,479 --> 01:44:54,720
Speaker 5: obviously because they want to have that what do we

1926
01:44:54,800 --> 01:44:59,360
Speaker 5: even call it, like a bastion of pro American ally

1927
01:44:59,439 --> 01:45:02,799
Speaker 5: ship a big country in the middle of South America.

1928
01:45:02,920 --> 01:45:06,439
Speaker 5: So geopolitically, you see where they're coming from, like why

1929
01:45:06,479 --> 01:45:09,599
Speaker 5: they're doing what they're doing. But obviously they didn't even

1930
01:45:09,920 --> 01:45:14,080
Speaker 5: Argentina would take the bailout if the condition was soybean like,

1931
01:45:14,080 --> 01:45:16,440
Speaker 5: if the condition was not selling, it was not undercutting

1932
01:45:16,600 --> 01:45:18,000
Speaker 5: Americans screw us.

1933
01:45:18,120 --> 01:45:20,240
Speaker 4: Yes, they would take the bailout.

1934
01:45:20,320 --> 01:45:22,040
Speaker 3: We didn't even think to ask them not to screw

1935
01:45:22,120 --> 01:45:25,040
Speaker 3: us because we don't care. But also, can you imagine

1936
01:45:25,080 --> 01:45:30,080
Speaker 3: if Democrats had this type of solidarity instead of viciousness

1937
01:45:30,120 --> 01:45:35,040
Speaker 3: towards South and Central America. If Biden had offered a

1938
01:45:35,080 --> 01:45:40,600
Speaker 3: twenty billion dollar line of credit to instead of sanctioning Nicaragua,

1939
01:45:40,680 --> 01:45:45,840
Speaker 3: Venezuela and Cuba, you would not have had the migration crisis.

1940
01:45:46,360 --> 01:45:51,360
Speaker 3: Like Biden drove the migration crisis with his policies towards

1941
01:45:51,720 --> 01:45:56,520
Speaker 3: Central America, Venezuela and Cuba, which then helped bring Trump.

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01:45:56,280 --> 01:45:56,920
Speaker 6: Back to power.

1943
01:45:58,040 --> 01:46:01,880
Speaker 3: If they had done something like this instead, people would

1944
01:46:01,920 --> 01:46:04,880
Speaker 3: still be in their homes, in their neighborhoods in Cuba

1945
01:46:04,920 --> 01:46:08,920
Speaker 3: and Venezuela and Nicaragua elsewhere anyway, So let's bring in

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01:46:09,000 --> 01:46:13,320
Speaker 3: Joe from the Grain Market podcast and get some details

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01:46:13,360 --> 01:46:16,120
Speaker 3: on how this is playing out. Joining us now is

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Speaker 3: Joe Vaklovic from the Grain Markets and Other Stuff podcast.

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Speaker 3: Joe reached out yesterday saying he'd seen some of my

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Speaker 3: coverage I guess on TikTok or wherever. I don't think

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Speaker 3: we had covered it here yet, and offered to provide

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Speaker 3: some of you know, his expertise, because this is this

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Speaker 3: is really your area. So Joe, you know, thanks so

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Speaker 3: much for being here. Really appreciate it.

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Speaker 19: Yeah, I'm happy to be here. I'm a big fan

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Speaker 19: of the show. I've been watching Breaking Points since the

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Speaker 19: very beginning.

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Speaker 6: I love it, love it.

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Speaker 3: So I don't know if you were able to see

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Speaker 3: the beginning of the show, but you've seen, you know

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Speaker 3: my shtick on this already. Tell us like, what what

1962
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Speaker 3: what is the effect of Trump's trade wark generally so

1963
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Speaker 3: far on And we'll start at that high level on

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Speaker 3: the American soybean market.

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Speaker 19: If we want to do high level, I'd like to

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Speaker 19: backtrack a little bit just to give you kind of

1967
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Speaker 19: an overview of what's going on the US farm economy

1968
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Speaker 19: as it relates to our big cash crops, corn and

1969
01:47:10,800 --> 01:47:13,599
Speaker 19: soybeans and the farmers that grow those crops. We are

1970
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Speaker 19: in now, what I would argue is the third year

1971
01:47:16,360 --> 01:47:19,400
Speaker 19: of a farm economy recession. A lot of this goes

1972
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Speaker 19: back to COVID and the inflation that occurred in the

1973
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Speaker 19: post COVID environment. So we know that everything on the

1974
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Speaker 19: planet repriced in the years following COVID, right, we know

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Speaker 19: that to be true. The government number CPI would all

1976
01:47:31,520 --> 01:47:34,720
Speaker 19: indicate that that is true. The very same thing has

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01:47:34,760 --> 01:47:37,519
Speaker 19: happened to farm inputs the things that farmers have to

1978
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Speaker 19: buy to grow their crops, whether it's seed, fertilizer, machinery,

1979
01:47:41,080 --> 01:47:44,040
Speaker 19: all of those things are up. Corn production costs jump

1980
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Speaker 19: twenty six percent from twenty twenty one to twenty twenty two.

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Speaker 19: So we're in the backdrop here of this big inflation event.

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Speaker 19: A lot of that is just generalized inflation. A lot

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Speaker 19: of it's because the government through billions and billions of

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Speaker 19: dollars at farmers during and following COVID.

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Speaker 9: So you've got all that, and.

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Speaker 6: It's a low margin business, right if you're a court farmer.

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Speaker 19: Historically always a low margin business, highly cyclical. You go

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Speaker 19: through years where your break even to negative in terms

1989
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Speaker 19: of profit margins, and then you go through a couple

1990
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Speaker 19: of boom years. We had a couple of boom years.

1991
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Speaker 19: Twenty twenty one and twenty twenty two were really good. Remember,

1992
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Speaker 19: we've been through this tradeing trade war thing before, and

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Speaker 19: the last go around was rough.

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Speaker 9: Eighteen nineteen were rough.

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Speaker 19: China signs the Phase one trade deal in twenty twenty

1996
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Speaker 19: and they did, as a matter of fact, come in

1997
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Speaker 19: and they bought a whole bunch of US corn and

1998
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Speaker 19: a whole bunch of US soybeans in late twenty twenty

1999
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Speaker 19: into twenty one and into twenty two, and everything that

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Speaker 19: happened in twenty twenty two was crazy. We had Russia, Ukraine,

2001
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Speaker 19: big commodity price blow up, and everything just fell apart

2002
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Speaker 19: after that, mainly because we just we had big production.

2003
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Speaker 19: We had good weather in the US, we had good

2004
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Speaker 19: weather in Brazil, and these markets, the commodity markets that

2005
01:48:47,840 --> 01:48:51,280
Speaker 19: we deal with, they're generally speaking their weather derivatives. If

2006
01:48:51,280 --> 01:48:53,280
Speaker 19: the weather's good, the prices go down. For the weather's bad,

2007
01:48:53,320 --> 01:48:56,280
Speaker 19: the prices go up. So that's the backdrop. The trade

2008
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Speaker 19: war with China is icing on the cake here in

2009
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Speaker 19: terms of of the pharma to me and how bad

2010
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Speaker 19: it is and how much money farmers are going to lose.

2011
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Speaker 19: Last year, China accounted for nineteen percent of all demand

2012
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Speaker 19: for soybeans grown in the United States. About fifty five

2013
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Speaker 19: percent of it is our beans that we crushed domestically.

2014
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Speaker 19: There's about forty ish percent that's exports. And of that

2015
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Speaker 19: forty percent, China's, you know, roughly half of it. Basically

2016
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Speaker 19: part of my math if it's not perfect, but China

2017
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Speaker 19: is a big soybean buyer, or was. Now we're into

2018
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Speaker 19: a new marketing year. Farmers in the US have begun

2019
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Speaker 19: soybean harvest. China has not bought a single bushel of

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Speaker 19: US soybeans for current marketing your delivery, and therein lies

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Speaker 19: the problem.

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Speaker 5: Now, talk to us about how significant what happened with

2023
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Speaker 5: Argentina in the last couple of days is for soybe

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Speaker 5: I mean, everyone on the surface looks at that, it's

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Speaker 5: like this is this is insane. This bailout is insane.

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Speaker 5: What Argentina does is insane. But how significant is it

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Speaker 5: from the perspective of soybean farmers.

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Speaker 19: Optically it's an absolute disaster for the Trump administration. It

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Speaker 19: looks it looks very, very very bad. So the twenty

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Speaker 19: billion dollars in question, it hasn't happened yet, and it's

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Speaker 19: supposed to be a swap line, meaning that we're going

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Speaker 19: to give Argentina twenty billion dollars, They're going to give

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Speaker 19: US twenty billion in pesos. We assume a whole bunch

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Speaker 19: of currency risk, but we get political influence in Argentina. Right,

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Speaker 19: So as this was happening, they were all like simultaneous events.

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Speaker 19: Argentina dropped its export tax on soybeans and corn, and

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Speaker 19: China came in and bought a whole bunch of like

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Speaker 19: forty cargoes of soybeans out of Argentina during that tax holiday.

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Speaker 19: It looks very bad optically fundamentally. You know, it's a

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Speaker 19: couple million metric tons of business that in all likelihood

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Speaker 19: would have gone to the United States almost certainly this

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Speaker 19: time of year, the time of year that we ship

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Speaker 19: the most soybeans out of the United States is immediately

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Speaker 19: post harvest, like call it October first through maybe mid January,

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Speaker 19: and after that the Brazilian crop comes online, China buys

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Speaker 19: from them. So it's a very bad look optically, and

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Speaker 19: it doesn't help in terms of dollars and cents either.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and you and I were talking briefly about this

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Speaker 3: last night, and that really struck me. So it's because

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Speaker 3: of the cycles of harvest Brazil and US different hemispheres,

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Speaker 3: so different harvest cycles, and so typically the fall we'd

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Speaker 3: be moving our soybeans to China. So if China can

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Speaker 3: make it through the fall into the winter when Brazil

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Speaker 3: really fully comes online, they might be able to wade

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Speaker 3: us out the whole time and buy nothing. Is that possible, Like,

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Speaker 3: is there enough Are there enough soybeans or in the

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Speaker 3: world for them to buy elsewhere through the fall?

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Speaker 9: Yes, there are. What could happen though, is.

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Speaker 19: China prefers to keep healthy stocks of soybeans on hand.

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Speaker 19: They don't want to draw down their stocks. Brazilian supplies

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Speaker 19: this time of year kind of become exhausted. They're already

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Speaker 19: through their big shipping window. China's bought a little bit

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Speaker 19: from Argentina. This is a debate in the grain industry

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Speaker 19: right now. Can China actually make it to the Brazilian

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Speaker 19: harvest without any US soybeans? And if so, what's the impact.

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Speaker 19: Are they going to draw down stocks? Are they going

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Speaker 19: to risk drawing downstocks? We don't know at this point.

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Speaker 19: I think it's safe to say that if China does

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Speaker 19: buy US soybeans, it's going to be in a reduced manner.

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Speaker 19: You got to keep this in mind. China is avoiding

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Speaker 19: US soybeans as its way of fighting the trade war.

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Speaker 19: China is imposing that the tariffs on its own soybean buyers.

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Speaker 19: Right so, if China wants to wave the tariffs and

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Speaker 19: say we're going to buy US soybeans and US soybeans

2075
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Speaker 19: are cheap right now, just for so we're clear they're competitive.

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Speaker 19: They can do it, they just don't want to because

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Speaker 19: this is one of the few bullets that they have

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Speaker 19: to fight the trade war with the US now.

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Speaker 5: Matt Stoller wrote on Sunday. He says there's another set

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Speaker 5: of announcements in which quote Trump sought to mollify as

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01:52:38,360 --> 01:52:40,880
Speaker 5: frustrated farmer based. Trump said he wants to use tariff

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Speaker 5: revenue to bail out farmers. Stiller says it's possible, but

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01:52:44,600 --> 01:52:46,680
Speaker 5: could require Democrats and Congress to go along. Trump is

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01:52:46,680 --> 01:52:49,280
Speaker 5: also bragging about new international trade deals, so China is

2085
01:52:49,320 --> 01:52:52,600
Speaker 5: conspicuously absent, and he is trying to bring down interest rates,

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Speaker 5: which will help farmers. Also, another announcement was that the

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Speaker 5: Secretary of Agriculture, Brooke role Ins and Anti Trust chief

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Speaker 5: Gilts later announced they would be looking at the rising

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Speaker 5: cost of crop inputs like seeds, chemicals, fertilizers, and machinery.

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Speaker 5: So there's three different things there. Really, what do you

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01:53:08,400 --> 01:53:12,440
Speaker 5: make of that kind of slate of potential Trump administration

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01:53:12,600 --> 01:53:17,720
Speaker 5: actions to try to mollify, as Stoler says, farmers.

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Speaker 19: There is almost certainly going to be some sort of

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01:53:20,320 --> 01:53:23,479
Speaker 19: farmer bailout. There was last time around, it was called MFP,

2095
01:53:23,640 --> 01:53:26,559
Speaker 19: the Market Facilitation Program, And because of the trade war

2096
01:53:26,560 --> 01:53:29,599
Speaker 19: that occurred in twenty eighteen and twenty nineteen, the previous

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01:53:29,640 --> 01:53:33,479
Speaker 19: Trump administration sent farmers tens of billions of dollars as

2098
01:53:33,520 --> 01:53:36,160
Speaker 19: its way of making up for the last sales via

2099
01:53:36,200 --> 01:53:38,160
Speaker 19: the trade war. In all likelihood, they're going to do

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Speaker 19: the same thing. Something's probably going to be announced here

2101
01:53:40,920 --> 01:53:43,160
Speaker 19: in the coming weeks. And to be clear about what

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01:53:43,200 --> 01:53:45,559
Speaker 19: this does and who likes it and who doesn't, a

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01:53:45,600 --> 01:53:47,320
Speaker 19: lot of farmers are not a fan of this. To

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01:53:47,360 --> 01:53:50,519
Speaker 19: go back to what I mentioned earlier, these payments that

2105
01:53:50,560 --> 01:53:54,799
Speaker 19: go out directly to farmers have directly influenced the inflation

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01:53:54,920 --> 01:53:58,439
Speaker 19: factors that I talked about earlier, high fertilizer prices, high

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Speaker 19: seed prices, high machinery prices. A lot of studies have

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01:54:01,960 --> 01:54:05,360
Speaker 19: shown that the vast majority of these direct farm payments

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01:54:05,680 --> 01:54:07,680
Speaker 19: don't really end up in the pockets of farmers. The

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01:54:07,720 --> 01:54:11,599
Speaker 19: farmers are essentially a mechanism by which these payments flow

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Speaker 19: through back to the fertilizer companies and the seed dealers

2112
01:54:15,160 --> 01:54:19,960
Speaker 19: and the machinery companies and the banks, those big corporations,

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Speaker 19: and these are the corporations that lobby for the farm payments.

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Speaker 19: It's not necessarily the farmers that are lobbying for the

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Speaker 19: farm payments or the farm groups. It's the people who

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01:54:27,760 --> 01:54:29,640
Speaker 19: want their money back or want to continue to be

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Speaker 19: paid or continue to make money. That's a huge, huge

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Speaker 19: part of it that I don't think that the public

2119
01:54:34,360 --> 01:54:36,640
Speaker 19: understands is that so much of this money is just

2120
01:54:36,920 --> 01:54:39,480
Speaker 19: it's flow through money the farmers and mechanism so that

2121
01:54:39,520 --> 01:54:41,520
Speaker 19: the big banks get their money back, the seed dealers,

2122
01:54:41,760 --> 01:54:44,200
Speaker 19: the fertilizer that they want their money back, they want

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01:54:44,200 --> 01:54:45,400
Speaker 19: to keep their stock prices high.

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Speaker 9: That's a huge piece of this.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, God forbid any of our companies suffer any penalty.

2126
01:54:52,360 --> 01:54:56,160
Speaker 3: So if China does successfully stiff farm US, where else

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01:54:56,240 --> 01:54:59,400
Speaker 3: can the US sell soybeans? Like, who out there in

2128
01:54:59,400 --> 01:55:04,280
Speaker 3: the world is hungry enough for this amount of soybean harvest?

2129
01:55:04,560 --> 01:55:05,040
Speaker 9: Nobody.

2130
01:55:05,440 --> 01:55:08,480
Speaker 19: In terms of soybean importers, China is head and shoulders

2131
01:55:08,800 --> 01:55:12,280
Speaker 19: above any other global importer. That being said, we have

2132
01:55:12,400 --> 01:55:16,880
Speaker 19: had other global buyers step up and export sales to

2133
01:55:16,960 --> 01:55:19,120
Speaker 19: this point for this marketing year, which just began a

2134
01:55:19,120 --> 01:55:23,520
Speaker 19: month ago. Two non China destinations are elevated, but They're

2135
01:55:23,600 --> 01:55:25,840
Speaker 19: just I don't think there's a scenario in which not

2136
01:55:26,000 --> 01:55:30,360
Speaker 19: non China destinations make up the entirety of what China

2137
01:55:30,400 --> 01:55:30,760
Speaker 19: won't buy.

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Speaker 6: Put it that way, yeah, I could.

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01:55:33,280 --> 01:55:36,000
Speaker 3: I can imagine Trump, uh, you know, telling like Ghana

2140
01:55:36,120 --> 01:55:38,680
Speaker 3: you want to you know, you better buy up a

2141
01:55:38,680 --> 01:55:39,560
Speaker 3: bunch of our soybeans.

2142
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Speaker 19: Ghana is like one of Yeah, nobody else has the appetite.

2143
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Speaker 19: I mean, China is just such a huge country.

2144
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Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, what about India, I mean they got a

2145
01:55:47,480 --> 01:55:49,960
Speaker 3: lot of people they want some soybeans.

2146
01:55:50,880 --> 01:55:53,200
Speaker 19: I don't think so we're we may sell some corn

2147
01:55:53,360 --> 01:55:55,800
Speaker 19: or some ethanol to India. They're they're in the midst

2148
01:55:55,840 --> 01:55:59,000
Speaker 19: of a big ethanol push. I just I don't know.

2149
01:56:00,000 --> 01:56:01,680
Speaker 19: I don't know exactly what the quantities are going to be.

2150
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Speaker 19: As with all these trade deals, you know, I kind

2151
01:56:03,800 --> 01:56:05,720
Speaker 19: of go back to the Phase one trade deal that

2152
01:56:05,760 --> 01:56:06,320
Speaker 19: was signed.

2153
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Speaker 9: In twenty twenty.

2154
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Speaker 19: It's like the trade deals are almost like ceremonial in

2155
01:56:11,560 --> 01:56:14,680
Speaker 19: some way, shape or form, And really what happens is

2156
01:56:14,720 --> 01:56:16,480
Speaker 19: the trade deal gets signed. It doesn't mean anything when

2157
01:56:16,520 --> 01:56:19,240
Speaker 19: it's signed, I mean publicly or optically, Yeah it does,

2158
01:56:19,720 --> 01:56:23,600
Speaker 19: But in terms of our markets are concerned, the market,

2159
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Speaker 19: the soybean market, soybean traders, the guys trading soybeans with

2160
01:56:26,800 --> 01:56:28,600
Speaker 19: big money, they're not going to care till we actually

2161
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Speaker 19: see the export sales. In the case of the Phase

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Speaker 19: one trade deal was signed, I believe on January fifteenth

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Speaker 19: of twenty twenty. It wasn't until six or seven months

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Speaker 19: later that China came in and began to buy US

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Speaker 19: products aggressively. And they did, but it took a long time.

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Speaker 19: So I think that with these trade deals like we

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Speaker 19: saw the one with Taiwan announced a week and a

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Speaker 19: half ago, I mean, whatever, it's good press, but until

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Speaker 19: they come in and start doing the business and we

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Speaker 19: see an acceleration in the actual stuff that's being announced

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Speaker 19: by USDA, which is now shut down by the way,

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Speaker 19: but that's what we need to see.

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Speaker 13: All right.

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Speaker 3: So anyway, if you're watching this program and you need

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Speaker 3: a few billion tons of soybeans America is selling, we

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Speaker 3: are Joe Vaklovic with the grain markets and other stuff podcast.

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Speaker 3: Really really appreciate the inside here.

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Speaker 9: Thank you, thanks guys.

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Speaker 5: Secretary of State Marco Rubio is reportedly in the process

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Speaker 5: of a regime change effort against Nicholas Missuro. In Venezuela.

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Speaker 5: That's according to a long new report in the New

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Speaker 5: York Times. The military, according to this Times report, as

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Speaker 5: well as also readying operations on narco traffickers inside Venezuela.

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Speaker 5: So that's part of this big New York Times report.

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Speaker 5: I'm going to read a quote from it here. The

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Speaker 5: push by top aids to President Trump to remove Maduro

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Speaker 5: as the leader of Venezuela has intensified in recent days,

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Speaker 5: with administration officials discussing a broad campaign that would escalate

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Speaker 5: military pressure to try to force him out. US official

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Speaker 5: say it's being led by Marco Rubio, who is also

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Speaker 5: NSA by the way, and that comes into play a

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Speaker 5: little bit here too. Rubio argues that Maduro is an

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Speaker 5: illegitimate leader whoever sees the export of drugs stage, which

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Speaker 5: he says poses a.

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Speaker 4: Quote imminent threat.

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Speaker 5: But mister Rubio is shaping a more aggressive strategy using

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Speaker 5: intel provided by the CIA, the officials said, and the

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Speaker 5: Pentagon has built up a force of more than sixty

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Speaker 5: five hundred troops in the region. Another key part of

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Speaker 5: this article John Ratcliffe. So that's the head of the CIA,

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Speaker 5: and Stephen Miller, obviously the chief Domestic policy advisor close

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Speaker 5: to Donald Trump both support mister Rubio's approach. The officials

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Speaker 5: added again, according to the Times, the US military has

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Speaker 5: been planning potential military operations targeting drug trafficking suspects in

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Speaker 5: Venezuela as the next phase, although the White House has

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Speaker 5: not yet approved such a step. Current and former military

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Speaker 5: officials say there was actually another story I think it

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Speaker 5: was in the Washington Post rind just a couple of

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Speaker 5: days ago, about how there's disagreement between the Pentagon and

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Speaker 5: the White House regarding whether it's appropriate to start writing

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Speaker 5: a military operation in South America, and I think Mexico

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Speaker 5: as well was part of the disagreements. Just finally from

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Speaker 5: the Times, those operations would be aimed at interfering with

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Speaker 5: drug production and trafficking in Venezuela, as well as tightening

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Speaker 5: a vice around mister Maduro Trump admin officials is not

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Speaker 5: yet confirmed whether it be in such exchanges in the

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Speaker 5: White House.

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Speaker 4: Did not provide a comment on the matter.

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Speaker 5: So this is a big New York Times piece basically

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Speaker 5: reporting out ryan what we knew was happening, or what

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Speaker 5: we all suspected was happening. There have been leaks to

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Speaker 5: this effect, but this put it pretty clearly. I think

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Speaker 5: about what's happening inside.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I'm surprised he's not going for Cuba in

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Speaker 3: this because the situation in Cuba, even though it doesn't

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Speaker 3: get anywhere near the attention that should, is catastrophic. You know,

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Speaker 3: people losing significant some significant amounts of weight, the outflow

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Speaker 3: of It's lost like a third of its population over

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Speaker 3: the last like five years or more. Crime is rising

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Speaker 3: like it's It feels like the embargo has with the

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01:59:50,680 --> 01:59:56,440
Speaker 3: tightening sanctions, might actually finally do what it's been trying

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Speaker 3: to do, which is top of the government, and we'll

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Speaker 3: get a failed state.

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Speaker 6: It's in its place.

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Speaker 3: So for Rubio, you know, who has wanted nothing more

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Speaker 3: than to topple that government his entire life, it's interesting

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Speaker 3: that he's doing kind.

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Speaker 6: Of Venezuela first. Yeah, and at least is pushing.

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Speaker 3: Some Democrats to start to come out publicly against regime

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Speaker 3: change in Venezuela.

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Speaker 6: Representive Don Bayer.

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Speaker 3: He posted Donald Trump's quote special military operation in Venezuela

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Speaker 3: is a terrible idea. He's going from murdering people on

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Speaker 3: boats without charges or due process to what sounds like

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Speaker 3: regime change by military force a president a quote president

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Speaker 3: of peace, doesn't start new, unwise and unnecessary wars. This

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Speaker 3: would be something that Democrats could you follow Buyer's lead

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Speaker 3: on and really push Trump on, because you know, outside

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Speaker 3: of South Florida, nobody voted for this, and half the

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Speaker 3: people in South Florida don't want this. It's just it's

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Speaker 3: like it's basically just doing just using the US military

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Speaker 3: to play act this counter revolution, that these that the

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Speaker 3: South Florida Cuban population is wanted for fifty plus years.

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Speaker 5: Well, I mean, we have reminders that are still downstream

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Speaker 5: of the Cold War in our foreign policy every day

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Speaker 5: about how easily these types of operations can go wrong,

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Speaker 5: Iran being one of them. An ally of Venezuela is,

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Speaker 5: by the way, in Venezuela clearly of interest to the

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Speaker 5: United States. Venezuela's oil reserves are not unimportant in the

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Speaker 5: United States. It's interests in Venezuela, of course. And so

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Speaker 5: these are incredibly kinetic situations, risky situations, explosive situations. And

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Speaker 5: so if the US right now is ready in which

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Speaker 5: clearly I think it is, precision targeted strikes on narco

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Speaker 5: traffickers in Venezuela and by the way I read the

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Speaker 5: entire I think it was SDNY indictment of Maduro the

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Speaker 5: other day, and it's not insane, Like there are actually

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Speaker 5: some pretty credible connections between Maduro and cartel of the

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Speaker 5: Suns and of the last I mean, it's I think

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Speaker 5: it goes over like the last ten to fifteen years,

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Speaker 5: so some of it's going back pretty far. It's not

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Speaker 5: insane that Madua to to say that Maduro, as Rubio does,

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Speaker 5: it's not insane to say that Maduia Maduro may have

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Speaker 5: had something to do with narco trafficking.

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Speaker 4: Again, he's the leader.

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Speaker 6: Governments are involved with drug trafficking.

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Speaker 5: So Ryan wrote a book, Yes, that's right, this is

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Speaker 5: super was it called the Superbrand on Drugs?

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Speaker 6: This is your country on drugs, Your country on drugs.

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Speaker 5: Yes, So anyway, it's not insane, an insane indictment, but

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Speaker 5: as a predicate for military operations, it's completely for military

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Speaker 5: operations that are let's just say, it would be a

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Speaker 5: bit of a stretch to call democratic because nobody's going

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Speaker 5: to vote on this. Of course, there's talk of actually

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Speaker 5: using the au MF Earlier was that it was one

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Speaker 5: of the Venezuelan boat strikes where people were throwing out

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Speaker 5: that maybe it was covered by the aum after you

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Speaker 5: remember that like the anti terrorists AAMF after nine to eleven. Yeah, so,

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Speaker 5: just the ways that this could go wrong, we have

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Speaker 5: had what fifty plus years to learn from and especially

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Speaker 5: as the rights started re exploring a lot of this

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Speaker 5: during the Biden administration and the first Trump administration about

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Speaker 5: how intelligence agencies are undergoing these regime change and propaganda

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Speaker 5: operations that then are anti democratic and trickle into you know,

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Speaker 5: as much as you may disagree with communism and see

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Speaker 5: the dangers of communism and understand, you know, as a conservative,

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Speaker 5: let's say that you share all of those perceptions as

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Speaker 5: I do. This is crazy, Yeah, this is crazy.

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Speaker 3: If they were if I were the lawyer for the

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Speaker 3: Trump administration, the way I would tell them that you

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Speaker 3: could use the AUMF as to say, because AUF says baus,

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Speaker 3: you can use force against like al Qaeda and people

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Speaker 3: involved in nine to eleven. I would say, Okay, here's

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Speaker 3: how you make the argument. The CIA helped to create

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Speaker 3: al Qaeda. The CIA helped to create a lot of

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Speaker 3: these drug trafficking operations, So therefore there's a connection between

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Speaker 3: the CIA and nine eleven and drug trafficking and the

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Speaker 3: AMF allows that's uh violence against anybody eleven And so

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Speaker 3: there you go.

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Speaker 5: I was gonna say that's insane, but that is not insane.

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Speaker 5: What's insane is the actual case that you made. That's real.

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Speaker 5: It's like actually completely.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, because it's all CIA operation. Yeah, they all are Yeah.

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Speaker 5: And Dwelt John Ratcluff is reportedly on board.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: And then real quickly, the war war with Iran keeps

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Speaker 3: inching closer. Two interesting developments on that and put up

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Speaker 3: this next element. Uh Trump administration reached a deal with

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Speaker 3: Iran where they're sending a planeload of Iranian deportees. This

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Speaker 3: is not the thing that's pushing its closer to war.

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Speaker 3: Just kind of fascinating that like for the and and

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Speaker 3: I don't quite understand it for because the United States

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Speaker 3: has always said, oh, we will give asylum to these

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Speaker 3: Iranian dissidents, because because Iran is terrible and it's the

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Speaker 3: evil Mullahs, and anybody who stands up to the evil

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Speaker 3: Mulla's is a friend of the United States.

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Speaker 6: So what's going on here?

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Speaker 3: Why why are we like actually, nevermind go back to

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Speaker 3: the evil Mullas.

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Speaker 4: Like, genuinely don't know, probably espionage charges.

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Speaker 6: I don't think it's two way to do this seemed

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Speaker 6: just like standard migration situation.

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Speaker 4: I don't know. I mean, maybe that's that's happened.

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Speaker 6: We wouldn't send them back if there were spies.

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Speaker 4: Wouldn't maybe send all of them back.

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Speaker 6: But yeah, bizarre.

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Speaker 3: But in another ominous development this ho Launch Media reported

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Speaker 3: yesterday that the so the French negotiations are ongoing around

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Speaker 3: these kind of snapback sanctions and the nuclear nuclear deal.

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Speaker 3: French apparently came to a deal with the Iranians that

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Speaker 3: would involve Iran basically giving everything up when it comes

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Speaker 3: to it's nuclear program again in exchange for some sanctions relief.

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Speaker 3: US came in and basically vetoed that and told Iran,

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Speaker 3: you know, stop enriching. You have to give us all

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Speaker 3: of the enriched uranium because in the past, like you

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Speaker 3: would store it somewhere, or you would give it to

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Speaker 3: Russia or wasn't like it wasn't you would give it

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Speaker 3: to the United States. So you have to give us

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Speaker 3: all of your enriched uranium. You have to stop your enrichment,

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Speaker 3: and in exchange, we will give you a delay of

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Speaker 3: like three months or six months or nine months of

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Speaker 3: these stat pack sanctions, so no sanctions relief, but just

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Speaker 3: a delay of some further sanctions.

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Speaker 6: And the Iranian government was like, are wow, this is like.

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Speaker 3: Insulting, it so absurd, And so the sense among people

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Speaker 3: watching this is like that this is just a pretext for.

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Speaker 6: For more strikes coming pretty soon.

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Speaker 5: Yes, and Iran, by the way, has a lot of

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Speaker 5: like oil property in Venezuela.

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Speaker 4: And this goes back to what we're talking.

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Speaker 5: About earlier in the show with Argentina and soybeans, just

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Speaker 5: in the last block about why Bessett might be so

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Speaker 5: interested in bailing out Argentina.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, and if we wanted, if the US government

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Speaker 3: wanted prices to be lower for the American people, like

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Speaker 3: there are ways you could do it by not doing

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Speaker 3: needless wars, for instance with Venezuela and Iran, but that

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Speaker 3: getting prices down for the American.

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Speaker 6: People is not remotely a priority.

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Speaker 5: Apparently, Well that does it for us today, Ryan, big show,

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Speaker 5: big news cycle, shut down, news isn't going anywhere. Crystal

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Speaker 5: and Soccer will be back here tomorrow and we'll see

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Speaker 5: everyone on Friday. Indeed, all right, soe you guys then