WEBVTT - Mick Shots: Rainy Days & Fridays 0:00:04.320 --> 0:00:06.880 The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:06.920 --> 0:00:16.720 and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. This is Mick Shot 0:00:16.920 --> 0:00:20.920 screaming live on Dallas Cowboys dot Com and the official 0:00:21.079 --> 0:00:25.639 Dallas Cowboys at now Here are Bill Jones, Everson Walls, 0:00:25.920 --> 0:00:33.920 and Nicky Spagnola, and it is a fabulous Football Friday 0:00:34.159 --> 0:00:36.839 edition of mix Shots as we get you ready for 0:00:36.880 --> 0:00:41.320 the Cowboys and the Cincinnati Bengals, a noon kickoff in 0:00:41.560 --> 0:00:46.280 Cincinnati on Sunday. And are we ever the place to 0:00:46.360 --> 0:00:50.040 get you fired up for some football? Here's the way 0:00:50.080 --> 0:00:53.519 I look at it, Everson Walls and Mickey Spagnola, What 0:00:53.640 --> 0:00:59.240 are we gonna be doing a month from now? A 0:00:59.360 --> 0:01:05.200 month from now, January eleventh, In all likelihood, there probably 0:01:05.240 --> 0:01:08.800 won't be a Cowboy game coming up on Sunday whatever Friday. 0:01:08.840 --> 0:01:12.880 That is so here we are here, we are here, 0:01:12.920 --> 0:01:16.479 we are this is the game. This is in Okay. 0:01:16.560 --> 0:01:18.919 We got to get fired up for some football because 0:01:18.959 --> 0:01:21.520 before you know it, and let's say the Cowboys do 0:01:21.720 --> 0:01:25.080 make this historic run all the way to Super Bowl 0:01:25.160 --> 0:01:28.559 fifty five in Tampa two months from now, we won't 0:01:28.560 --> 0:01:31.040 have football to talk about. We won't have a game 0:01:31.040 --> 0:01:33.600 to look forward to a year from now, is what 0:01:33.640 --> 0:01:36.479 you mean? Two months and one year from now. Yeah, 0:01:36.560 --> 0:01:38.839 they and the Cowboys won't be playing for the super Bowl. 0:01:38.920 --> 0:01:40.840 There there you go. All right, we'll figure out how 0:01:40.840 --> 0:01:42.840 they're going to get to Super Bowl fifty six then. 0:01:43.240 --> 0:01:46.639 But first things first, we are now less than forty 0:01:46.640 --> 0:01:50.880 eight hours away from kickoff in Cincinnati, and Mickey, it's 0:01:50.880 --> 0:01:54.960 time to get ready for some football. Absolutely, I mean 0:01:54.960 --> 0:01:57.920 they're playing Cincinnati, right, We got got to get going 0:01:58.320 --> 0:02:02.720 despite mister the missilem Michael Irvin basically saying if they 0:02:02.760 --> 0:02:05.920 don't win this game, it's time to shovel dirt on 0:02:06.040 --> 0:02:10.680 this season and put an rip. I love that. I 0:02:10.840 --> 0:02:14.240 love it. He could be Hey, he could partner it 0:02:14.280 --> 0:02:19.240 with you, spags. I love that combination. But dirt and 0:02:19.400 --> 0:02:23.600 mister pessimist all together again, that'd be great. But he's right. 0:02:23.760 --> 0:02:26.680 You lose this one and you're down. Who knows you 0:02:26.760 --> 0:02:29.720 get me down three with three to go, right, and 0:02:29.720 --> 0:02:34.240 and if Washington wins, then your your toast. So yeah, 0:02:34.280 --> 0:02:39.200 it's all on the line in Cincinnati. I got up. 0:02:39.240 --> 0:02:42.520 I got up this morning, and I don't know how 0:02:42.560 --> 0:02:45.160 I got to it. I was on my phone. Next 0:02:45.160 --> 0:02:48.680 thing I know of here comes Spags pops up again 0:02:48.760 --> 0:02:52.120 in his nice suit on his little show on TV. 0:02:53.120 --> 0:02:57.520 And you pointed out something. You said that the Bengals 0:02:57.520 --> 0:03:01.840 were the last and I couldn't be paraphrasing here, the 0:03:02.120 --> 0:03:06.040 last place team when it comes to running the football? 0:03:06.320 --> 0:03:12.600 Is that correct? Actually their thirtieth thirtieth, the thirtieth and 0:03:12.800 --> 0:03:16.440 running the ball. So here we do. We come in 0:03:16.600 --> 0:03:20.799 with thirty second right versus the run. I got that lockdowns, 0:03:22.840 --> 0:03:24.799 we got that a lot, baby, We're proud of that. 0:03:24.960 --> 0:03:28.880 We're proud of that. And that's an improvement. Actually we've improved. 0:03:29.520 --> 0:03:36.560 So from the so, so here we are. Burrows is 0:03:36.600 --> 0:03:41.000 out right, Burrow is out? Yeah, Okay, who's the backup? 0:03:41.840 --> 0:03:45.119 That would be Brandon Allen? Oh, come on, man, who 0:03:45.240 --> 0:03:47.600 is that? Don't tell me, don't tell me. He is 0:03:47.640 --> 0:03:51.320 a Texas high school football player who went to the 0:03:51.360 --> 0:03:55.360 state championship and Bill knows his entire No, no, please 0:03:55.400 --> 0:03:59.720 don't tell Arkansas he would be Arkansas state champion. It 0:03:59.760 --> 0:04:02.960 would University of Arkansas. So you know, the Joneses are 0:04:03.080 --> 0:04:06.680 very familiar with Brandon Allen. We've got the scouting report 0:04:06.760 --> 0:04:09.800 on this quarterback this week. Okay, Brandon Allen is not 0:04:09.960 --> 0:04:12.880 going to do any damage. The problem has not been 0:04:12.960 --> 0:04:15.680 necessarily at the quarterback. And Brandon Allen doesn't run the 0:04:15.680 --> 0:04:19.640 football like Kyler Murray does, like a Lamar Jackson does, 0:04:20.000 --> 0:04:26.040 like even a Daniel Jones does. And so lockdown is 0:04:26.800 --> 0:04:30.560 this show is going right back to our m much optimism. 0:04:30.839 --> 0:04:33.880 We are going to be optimistic on this show. This 0:04:33.960 --> 0:04:38.080 might be the last chance for us to be optimistic 0:04:38.560 --> 0:04:42.080 on this show as a unit. As a unit, you know, 0:04:42.240 --> 0:04:45.800 usually it's Bill and then me and Spas is always 0:04:45.880 --> 0:04:48.599 out of it. But this time we have a chance 0:04:48.640 --> 0:04:50.919 it for all three of us to be in unison. 0:04:51.000 --> 0:04:53.360 Am I right? That we can win this ball game? 0:04:53.680 --> 0:05:00.160 All all four remaining opponents have losing records. How's that? 0:05:00.160 --> 0:05:03.600 That's tells me nothing? That is not enough? That is 0:05:03.720 --> 0:05:06.159 not enough? Okay, which is there's got to be more. 0:05:06.360 --> 0:05:08.400 It's got to be there's got to be more of 0:05:08.400 --> 0:05:11.039 a sad story. And the opponents that we're playing, so 0:05:11.680 --> 0:05:13.960 that's rank for me. Rank them for me of the 0:05:14.000 --> 0:05:19.720 final four opponents, Cincinnati on the road, home against San Francisco, 0:05:19.960 --> 0:05:25.000 home against Philadelphia at the Giants, rank them one to four. 0:05:25.960 --> 0:05:29.279 Which ones the Cowboys have the easiest has the best 0:05:29.360 --> 0:05:32.440 chance of winning one to four, one being the best 0:05:32.520 --> 0:05:35.400 chance to win for being the worst chance to win. 0:05:35.640 --> 0:05:42.719 Out of the final four, well, Cincinnati's one guy one. 0:05:42.800 --> 0:05:52.919 I would think after that, Philadelphia Giants coming up. Philadelphia's 0:05:53.040 --> 0:05:58.760 two h San Francisco's three, only because you're playing at home, 0:05:58.920 --> 0:06:03.040 and then the Giants are four at this point, since 0:06:03.600 --> 0:06:06.760 they probably are playing the best of any of those teams, 0:06:08.040 --> 0:06:10.520 and that appears the Giants will be playing for something 0:06:10.680 --> 0:06:12.920 the last game of the season, you would think. But 0:06:13.000 --> 0:06:14.839 Boo knows, they may have it locked up by now, 0:06:15.040 --> 0:06:18.880 or they may have faded away. I mean, don't they 0:06:18.880 --> 0:06:21.440 have They have the Saints this week? Is that right? 0:06:24.240 --> 0:06:26.400 I have to look, Oh, you're gonna have to go 0:06:26.480 --> 0:06:33.240 to the computer. Now, who do they they play? Arizona. 0:06:33.440 --> 0:06:41.840 We've got the Cardinals. Yeah, at home? Philly flailing right now. 0:06:42.040 --> 0:06:44.560 Arizona does not look good right now at all. The 0:06:44.880 --> 0:06:49.200 Eagles play the Saints. Jalen Hurts debut, starting debut against 0:06:49.240 --> 0:06:55.599 the Saints. Now that's an interesting dynamic there, guys. I 0:06:55.680 --> 0:06:59.159 think I think Jalen Hurts coming in. I truly believe 0:06:59.200 --> 0:07:03.760 that changes. Then tire Eagles team spags you have to 0:07:03.839 --> 0:07:08.400 be very conscious of a guy who's just as good 0:07:08.440 --> 0:07:10.360 as Lamar Jackson when it comes and running the ball, 0:07:10.400 --> 0:07:12.720 and I think a better pass it. At this point, 0:07:13.040 --> 0:07:15.560 I don't know what happened to Lamar's passing. He's going backwards, 0:07:16.280 --> 0:07:21.480 I would say, only because Lamar Jackson's passing has just 0:07:21.720 --> 0:07:24.000 tanked all of a sudden. You know what I'm saying. 0:07:24.440 --> 0:07:27.560 Jalen Hurts as a runner, he can run, but he's 0:07:27.600 --> 0:07:31.560 not Lamar Jackson running. Okay, all right, I guess the 0:07:31.600 --> 0:07:36.400 Cowboys he could be. The Cowboys he could be. We 0:07:36.440 --> 0:07:39.840 will see. I'm not pulling for I'm not pulling. Please 0:07:40.160 --> 0:07:42.760 prove me wrong. But from what I've seen from the 0:07:42.800 --> 0:07:46.440 Cowboys defense and for I've seen from Jalen Hurts, this 0:07:46.480 --> 0:07:49.280 guy can go. And you've seen him, you know what 0:07:49.360 --> 0:07:51.280 he's all about. Of course, I'm not telling anything you 0:07:51.320 --> 0:07:54.320 don't know, but I do believe when it comes to 0:07:54.400 --> 0:07:57.800 open field, maybe not getting out of trouble the way 0:07:57.800 --> 0:08:00.360 he Lamar can in the pocket, but when it comes 0:08:00.360 --> 0:08:04.160 to open field and speed, I think that you've got 0:08:04.200 --> 0:08:06.080 a problem with Jalen Hurst, just like you do with 0:08:06.160 --> 0:08:10.440 Lamar Jackson. All right, how would you compare Jalen Hurt's 0:08:10.520 --> 0:08:14.840 running ability to Kyler Murray. Oh no, no, one compares 0:08:14.880 --> 0:08:17.520 to Kylar, not not even Lamar being compares to Kyler 0:08:17.840 --> 0:08:25.880 and Washington. As far as his speed, uh, I don't 0:08:25.880 --> 0:08:30.040 think he's as fast as Kyler Murray. Oh no, way, no, 0:08:30.120 --> 0:08:32.160 that's what I'm saying. You said as far as oh 0:08:32.200 --> 0:08:35.920 I thought you were questioning. As far as I'm saying, no, no, no, no, 0:08:35.960 --> 0:08:39.200 as far as speed, you can't compare with Kyler Murray. Yeah, 0:08:39.320 --> 0:08:42.080 he cannot. And it's not just the speed, it's the 0:08:42.200 --> 0:08:45.000 quickness that goes along with the speed, right, you know, 0:08:45.120 --> 0:08:48.640 he goes from zevo to sixty like that. That's the problem. 0:08:48.679 --> 0:08:50.760 All right, So we got this whole thing mapped out 0:08:51.559 --> 0:08:55.960 for the rest of the month. Uh, Washington's at San Francisco, 0:08:56.080 --> 0:08:58.160 by the way, that was the other and they're at 0:08:58.320 --> 0:09:02.880 They're at Arizona. The play San Francisco in Arizona. Oh 0:09:02.960 --> 0:09:08.040 that's right. Sorry, they gotta play the forty nine ers 0:09:09.400 --> 0:09:12.600 on the road, on the road. That's right. They're both 0:09:12.640 --> 0:09:16.559 on the road. Okay, So who wins? All right? Do 0:09:16.679 --> 0:09:21.600 the Giants beat the Cardinals at home? Yes? I think 0:09:21.640 --> 0:09:25.040 so too. Defense I'm looking at defense, guys, I am 0:09:25.120 --> 0:09:28.360 looking at defense. It's gonna be tough with that, Washington 0:09:28.480 --> 0:09:31.160 versus San Francisco, though, So, although I do want to know, 0:09:31.280 --> 0:09:34.920 I haven't seen the status of Blake Martinez, their linebacker. 0:09:34.960 --> 0:09:38.280 He came out of last week's game against Seattle and 0:09:38.480 --> 0:09:41.280 he's been a big factor in their defense. And if 0:09:41.320 --> 0:09:45.400 he's so, if he's playing, especially with you know what 0:09:45.480 --> 0:09:48.640 Arizona does on offense, Um, I give the Giants a 0:09:48.640 --> 0:09:52.320 good chance of winning, no doubt. Yeah, And now, okay, 0:09:52.440 --> 0:09:55.920 how about Washington, because Washington's the problem. Let's okay, let's 0:09:55.960 --> 0:09:59.720 just say for a moment, Okay, the Cowboys go into 0:09:59.720 --> 0:10:02.719 sense Nati and win. Okay, We're trying right now to 0:10:02.760 --> 0:10:05.960 get it back to within striking distance within a game 0:10:06.000 --> 0:10:08.400 of first place. Okay, And so what has to happen 0:10:08.480 --> 0:10:11.679 this week for that to happen. Dallas has to beat Cincinnati, 0:10:12.280 --> 0:10:15.880 and the Giants need to lose to Arizona and Washington 0:10:16.040 --> 0:10:20.840 has to lose to San Francisco in Phoenix. And uh yeah, 0:10:20.880 --> 0:10:23.080 I like the way San Francisco has been playing. As 0:10:23.080 --> 0:10:27.560 depleted as they are, they have and they've made the 0:10:27.600 --> 0:10:33.120 most of their situation. So I like San Francisco against Washington. 0:10:34.720 --> 0:10:37.040 I'm with you on that. I'm with you on that. 0:10:37.160 --> 0:10:39.800 Now tell me this is now San Francio. We know 0:10:39.880 --> 0:10:44.360 San Francisco's playing uh in Phoenix? Are they are they 0:10:44.520 --> 0:10:47.960 stationed there? They're practicing there too. I believe they're training there, 0:10:48.080 --> 0:10:51.080 so they're there for the whole traslation, so they don't 0:10:51.120 --> 0:10:54.680 have to travel, right, all right, Right, So I like 0:10:54.760 --> 0:11:02.360 San Francis. Only time they're traveling is sweek to Dallas. Yeah, okay, 0:11:02.440 --> 0:11:05.160 I think I like San Francisco as well Spags only 0:11:05.200 --> 0:11:08.400 because their defense is strong as well, and their running 0:11:08.400 --> 0:11:12.400 backs they they got their running back back up most 0:11:12.880 --> 0:11:17.600 the most dirt, most raheem mos dirt and yeah, most dirt. 0:11:17.800 --> 0:11:21.080 And then they also usual Jeff Wilson, North Texas guy 0:11:21.360 --> 0:11:23.719 is uh, you know, they do it. You know, they 0:11:23.760 --> 0:11:26.840 do it by committee. But most dirt has been good, strong, yes, 0:11:26.960 --> 0:11:29.960 and you know, and that's and that's why even with 0:11:30.000 --> 0:11:32.760 all their injuries, they've been able to to stay in 0:11:32.840 --> 0:11:35.280 games and be have a fighter's chance at the end. 0:11:36.000 --> 0:11:37.720 And you know, when you look at the games, when 0:11:37.760 --> 0:11:39.920 you look at the dynamic of when you look at 0:11:39.960 --> 0:11:43.360 the dynamic of all the teams, the ones that were 0:11:43.400 --> 0:11:47.480 able to keep their defense intact, Number one, and also 0:11:47.640 --> 0:11:50.720 that offensive line. We've seen that that can be a 0:11:50.760 --> 0:11:54.080 disaster or that can be your saving grace out of 0:11:54.120 --> 0:11:56.240 all the issues that you have. If you can keep 0:11:56.240 --> 0:11:59.880 your old line in place, obviously keep a quarterback as well. 0:12:00.040 --> 0:12:02.720 If you keep your old line in place, and you 0:12:02.840 --> 0:12:05.600 keep your defense in place, you've got a chance to 0:12:05.640 --> 0:12:09.319 win most ball games at your end in this pandemic 0:12:09.360 --> 0:12:12.320 era here which by the Cowboys are swinging a miss 0:12:12.360 --> 0:12:15.240 strike one, swinging a miss strike, swinging a miss strike 0:12:15.360 --> 0:12:19.160 three areas. So, by the way, did you happen to 0:12:19.200 --> 0:12:23.960 hear Jerry today talking about keeping a defense in place? 0:12:24.240 --> 0:12:29.679 By the way, yes, he was pretty outspoken about you know, 0:12:29.760 --> 0:12:33.760 we kept the offense continuity in place. We tried to 0:12:33.840 --> 0:12:39.240 change the defense and that was probably a big mistake. Now, 0:12:39.320 --> 0:12:42.200 knowing that you weren't going to have an offseason, you 0:12:42.280 --> 0:12:44.959 weren't going to have a normal training camp, you weren't 0:12:44.960 --> 0:12:48.160 going to have preseason. Yet here we were trying to 0:12:48.240 --> 0:12:51.880 change what we were doing defensively from a technique standpoint, 0:12:52.240 --> 0:12:56.760 from a formation standpoint, and it just didn't work. And 0:12:57.080 --> 0:13:01.040 I think there's a lot to that. Now, nobody knew 0:13:01.200 --> 0:13:04.400 back when this staff was getting put together and they're 0:13:04.440 --> 0:13:08.640 making plans for a season in February that this COVID 0:13:08.760 --> 0:13:12.239 night thing, nineteen thing would still be with us in December. 0:13:12.800 --> 0:13:15.840 But I think there's something to be said to having 0:13:15.920 --> 0:13:21.760 continuity with the offense. Meeting Kellen Moore was retained. They 0:13:21.800 --> 0:13:25.400 didn't change the offensive concept. They might have added to it, 0:13:25.440 --> 0:13:29.640 but they didn't try to remake it like they did defensively. 0:13:30.520 --> 0:13:34.400 And I think Jerry said that's probably was the biggest mistake, 0:13:34.520 --> 0:13:38.040 and when they were asking whose fault was, he said, 0:13:38.400 --> 0:13:40.520 the GM had a lot to do with it. You're 0:13:40.559 --> 0:13:47.600 talking to him, so think about it. Although, although I'll 0:13:47.679 --> 0:13:51.800 keep saying this, even though they tried to dabble in 0:13:51.840 --> 0:13:55.760 that three four stuff, which they never ever had the 0:13:56.000 --> 0:14:00.720 personnel to do, they've been playing base basically a four 0:14:00.720 --> 0:14:03.320 to three because they're always in their nickel. And the 0:14:03.400 --> 0:14:05.880 most theay close to the three four and it's not 0:14:05.960 --> 0:14:09.880 really a three four is when they put another linebacker 0:14:10.000 --> 0:14:11.760 on the line of scrimmage and they have a five 0:14:11.840 --> 0:14:15.720 man line but one linebacker and his safety at the 0:14:15.800 --> 0:14:22.720 linebacker spot. At this point, look, you've got it. You've 0:14:22.760 --> 0:14:26.880 got to be better than what they are. And there's 0:14:26.920 --> 0:14:29.240 a lot of players that are on the field that 0:14:29.320 --> 0:14:32.560 we're on the field last year for the eleventh ranked defense. 0:14:33.000 --> 0:14:37.240 So I think there's more to it than not being 0:14:37.280 --> 0:14:41.840 able to adapt to a scheme. And you know, when 0:14:41.880 --> 0:14:45.720 I think about that, Spags, it's easy to say we 0:14:45.880 --> 0:14:48.640 kept the offense intact because you had the same old 0:14:48.680 --> 0:14:52.200 oc Kell. I'm sitting right there. You know, everyone was 0:14:52.200 --> 0:14:55.440 happy what was going on at the time. Dak was quarterback, 0:14:55.480 --> 0:14:59.160 and so why change anything. But defensively, it's hard to 0:14:59.240 --> 0:15:01.080 keep the same system when you come in with a 0:15:01.120 --> 0:15:04.800 different DC. Mike Nolan may not have liked what we 0:15:04.800 --> 0:15:07.120 were doing in regards to the fore man front of 0:15:07.200 --> 0:15:09.680 what we were doing last year. So that's to me, 0:15:09.760 --> 0:15:13.920 that's it's easier said than done. You're trying if you're 0:15:13.960 --> 0:15:16.800 going to change, if you want to change, if you 0:15:16.840 --> 0:15:20.880 want to keep the same defense, then you gotta at 0:15:20.960 --> 0:15:26.000 least keep one of the coaches someone that's aware of 0:15:26.440 --> 0:15:30.200 that eleventh ranked defense from last year. You know, you 0:15:30.560 --> 0:15:33.480 can't tell Mike Nolan to come in and start running 0:15:33.520 --> 0:15:38.360 someone else's defense or christ Rashard defense. To me, that 0:15:38.360 --> 0:15:40.600 that doesn't make any sense. I mean, you're gonna make 0:15:40.640 --> 0:15:44.960 the change in regards to the system. Now, technique is 0:15:44.960 --> 0:15:47.440 one thing, Spags. If we were good at the particular 0:15:47.480 --> 0:15:51.400 technique last year without down Lineman, then yeah we should 0:15:51.480 --> 0:15:54.520 keep that. But in regards to the entire system, you 0:15:54.640 --> 0:15:56.840 gotta go with Mike Nolan system. That's what you hired 0:15:56.840 --> 0:15:58.680 the guy for. I mean, does that make sense? Yeah, 0:15:58.760 --> 0:16:01.400 it does. So maybe when you make the hire, you 0:16:01.440 --> 0:16:04.240 find somebody to fit your personnel and what they were 0:16:04.320 --> 0:16:07.520 doing instead of coming in and trying to overhaul everything. 0:16:08.440 --> 0:16:10.960 But again, as I said, they didn't know they were 0:16:10.960 --> 0:16:14.200 going to be in this situation, right because everybody was 0:16:14.280 --> 0:16:17.680 handed a question January and February. Well, this is going 0:16:17.760 --> 0:16:20.720 to go away. This is just in China, right, we 0:16:20.800 --> 0:16:24.560 don't have to worry about this. Yeah, well we didn't 0:16:24.560 --> 0:16:27.760 need to worry. I got a question, Mickey, Yes, Mickey, 0:16:27.800 --> 0:16:30.040 I got a question. Let's go back to when Bill 0:16:30.080 --> 0:16:33.520 Parcels took over. Well, Jerry did Zimmer was a defense 0:16:33.760 --> 0:16:37.400 Jerry did today and that in his interview. Also, by 0:16:37.440 --> 0:16:40.280 the way, go ahead, Okay, I didn't I didn't hear that, Okay, 0:16:40.400 --> 0:16:42.960 So I was just thinking about it as you're talking, 0:16:43.640 --> 0:16:46.280 and what did Mike Zimmer do? I mean, they had 0:16:46.280 --> 0:16:49.560 a four three defense they were running obviously, especially for 0:16:49.680 --> 0:16:53.960 a Parcels three four defense as Everson is very familiar with. 0:16:54.360 --> 0:16:57.680 They did not have the personnel with Dexter Copley and 0:16:57.800 --> 0:17:01.720 that win. You know, to play fair Alice, you don't 0:17:01.760 --> 0:17:04.360 have Lawrence Taylor. I mean, that's that's right. No, no, 0:17:04.400 --> 0:17:08.359 but but but what they did that first year Parcels, 0:17:08.400 --> 0:17:11.280 even though he wants to run a three four defense, 0:17:11.960 --> 0:17:15.200 he kept the four three defense with Mike Zimmer his 0:17:15.280 --> 0:17:18.520 defensive coordinator and then Zim in the second year, they 0:17:18.560 --> 0:17:21.040 converted to the three four. That's when they drafted to 0:17:21.119 --> 0:17:25.320 Marcus Ware and Marcus Spears and they made the transition. 0:17:25.359 --> 0:17:27.000 And how they do in the first year, I mean 0:17:27.040 --> 0:17:30.960 it was incredible that they they qualified for the playoffs 0:17:31.000 --> 0:17:34.760 that year with Quincy Carter at quarterback, and um, you know, 0:17:34.960 --> 0:17:41.240 and I think when when the first year they stayed 0:17:41.280 --> 0:17:44.600 the same with Quincy in two thousand and three with 0:17:44.840 --> 0:17:48.160 Bill and then they started transit. They actually made the transition, 0:17:48.200 --> 0:17:51.240 that's right, They actually made the transition to two thousand 0:17:51.240 --> 0:17:54.320 and five. And as Jerry said, right, so it was 0:17:54.359 --> 0:17:57.679 two years in. That's right. Bill wanted to remember we 0:17:57.680 --> 0:18:01.280 were all over this because that's when we started talking cowboys. 0:18:01.560 --> 0:18:05.240 Bill wanted to draft Marcus Spears with that first pick 0:18:05.520 --> 0:18:08.560 in the first round, and then with the twentieth pick, 0:18:08.800 --> 0:18:12.240 take to Marcus Where. And they said no, no, no, 0:18:12.359 --> 0:18:15.480 we're taking to Marcus Where. And they d ended up 0:18:15.520 --> 0:18:19.960 getting Spears who fit into a three four and Marcus 0:18:20.760 --> 0:18:25.040 where fit a fourth three four linebacker. And then he 0:18:25.119 --> 0:18:28.600 went on to point out and also that draft we 0:18:28.840 --> 0:18:32.720 ended up with Chris Canny and Jay Ratliffe. So they 0:18:32.880 --> 0:18:36.240 ended up with two players that fit in one draft 0:18:36.640 --> 0:18:39.760 fit a defense that was a three four, and he says, 0:18:39.840 --> 0:18:42.680 you can't always play up that way and say, okay, 0:18:42.720 --> 0:18:45.520 we're switching and now let's go get the four key 0:18:45.640 --> 0:18:49.280 players to fit this defense. They got very fortunate. They 0:18:49.320 --> 0:18:53.160 can't transition. Yes they did. And the key thing on 0:18:53.240 --> 0:18:56.959 that was that Chris Canty had the eye issue and 0:18:57.000 --> 0:19:00.320 so his stock fell to the fourth round and rat 0:19:00.359 --> 0:19:03.679 Leffe was at Auburn. He was just flying under the 0:19:03.760 --> 0:19:06.560 radar for everybody, and that's why they were able to 0:19:06.560 --> 0:19:10.280 get here what a seventh round. The other thing they 0:19:10.320 --> 0:19:13.399 did in that draftive end the defensive tackle. Uh, and 0:19:13.480 --> 0:19:16.760 they found a spot for him. And how about the 0:19:16.800 --> 0:19:18.720 other thing they did in that draft in the second round, 0:19:18.720 --> 0:19:23.200 they drafted Kevin Burnett, linebacker out of Tennessee, and who 0:19:23.600 --> 0:19:25.840 was going to have a really nice long career in 0:19:25.880 --> 0:19:27.960 this league if he didn't tear up his knee. But 0:19:28.000 --> 0:19:30.399 there was another piece to that, to that defense that 0:19:30.440 --> 0:19:33.920 you're talking about. Yeah, so I mean, but you're right 0:19:33.960 --> 0:19:36.800 it was. And so look at in oh three when 0:19:36.840 --> 0:19:39.520 Parcels took over and they kept that four three defense. 0:19:39.880 --> 0:19:42.880 Where did they rank in defense that year? They were 0:19:42.960 --> 0:19:46.280 number two in the league in points allowed two hundred 0:19:46.280 --> 0:19:50.359 and sixty and they were in rushing yards allowed number 0:19:50.480 --> 0:19:53.320 three in the league fourteen hundred and twenty five yards 0:19:53.320 --> 0:19:56.080 in two thousand and three, And so you had a 0:19:56.160 --> 0:20:00.440 real question market quarterback in Quincy Carter on offense. And 0:20:00.480 --> 0:20:03.399 so you played games to where you weren't getting beat 0:20:03.440 --> 0:20:06.080 defensively and you still had a shot to win games 0:20:06.080 --> 0:20:07.679 at the end of the game. And Bill, if you 0:20:07.800 --> 0:20:10.480 go back and looks if you got your if you 0:20:10.600 --> 0:20:14.159 got your media guide out Zimmer during those five and 0:20:14.200 --> 0:20:16.919 eleven seasons, one of those seasons they were one of 0:20:16.960 --> 0:20:21.160 the top offenses defenses in the league if I remember correctly. 0:20:21.480 --> 0:20:24.680 They might have been bad offensively, but defensively he had 0:20:24.720 --> 0:20:29.560 them playing pretty well. Well. They were classail style team. 0:20:29.600 --> 0:20:31.959 That's the way that goes that they were. They were. 0:20:32.440 --> 0:20:35.760 They were middle of the pack. Uh defensively In O 0:20:35.920 --> 0:20:39.960 two they were thirteenth and points allowed at three twenty nine, fifteenth, 0:20:40.000 --> 0:20:42.119 and I just had the rushing yards because I was 0:20:42.160 --> 0:20:46.760 researching that well, trying to put in perspective up the history. 0:20:49.400 --> 0:20:52.520 That's fine points allowed. They were thirteen though, Bill h 0:20:53.119 --> 0:20:55.880 A Right, when you think of d ware coming in 0:20:56.119 --> 0:20:59.840 that is that's the Cowboys launch, that's you. Then you 0:21:00.000 --> 0:21:02.320 look at Ratliffe. As I look at that Super Bowl 0:21:02.320 --> 0:21:05.199 team twenty five I was on, it seemed like he 0:21:05.280 --> 0:21:07.359 was trying to mimic that. I mean, you had Leonard 0:21:07.400 --> 0:21:10.960 Marshall in the middle and now here comes Ratliffe. He wanted, uh, 0:21:11.560 --> 0:21:16.480 what's guy named Candy Canty? He wanted Canty to be 0:21:16.600 --> 0:21:18.320 that guy. But like you said, you talk about the 0:21:18.359 --> 0:21:21.320 eye issues. It's so funny that you don't. I didn't 0:21:21.320 --> 0:21:24.720 really learn that aspect of football until I left the 0:21:24.760 --> 0:21:27.680 Cowboys and went to the Giants because Tom Landry was 0:21:27.720 --> 0:21:33.119 all the ways about deception and uh trickery and of 0:21:33.119 --> 0:21:36.800 course intellect. When when I went to the Giants, I 0:21:37.000 --> 0:21:41.560 learned field position football. That's field position football. We're gonna 0:21:41.640 --> 0:21:43.199 run just like you said, we're gonna run the ball. 0:21:43.200 --> 0:21:45.200 We're gonna run the ball. We're gonna have a quarterback 0:21:45.240 --> 0:21:48.359 that can manage our team, and defensively that's going to 0:21:48.400 --> 0:21:51.639 be our strength. So we're gonna always be in a 0:21:51.760 --> 0:21:54.879 ball game not because we can score, but because we 0:21:54.960 --> 0:21:57.800 prevent the other team from scoring. And when you don't 0:21:57.800 --> 0:22:00.720 do that, then that's when the field position game comes 0:22:00.720 --> 0:22:03.920 into play to where you may calculate the moves to 0:22:04.040 --> 0:22:06.360 where you can put your defense in the best position 0:22:06.800 --> 0:22:10.480 to make their offense, uh have a scramble situation. So 0:22:10.760 --> 0:22:12.760 do you think about it? In that O five draft. 0:22:13.359 --> 0:22:15.360 In that O five draft, they got they got two 0:22:15.480 --> 0:22:18.160 five techniques and Marcus Spears and Chris Kanty. They got 0:22:18.160 --> 0:22:20.440 a nose tackle and Jay Ratliffe, they got the edge 0:22:20.520 --> 0:22:22.960 rusher into Marcus ware and they basically got one of 0:22:22.960 --> 0:22:26.280 the inside backers in Kevin Burnett as well. Now, Ratliffe 0:22:26.440 --> 0:22:29.360 did not fit the prototype that Parcels liked. The big 0:22:29.359 --> 0:22:32.520 old hunker in the middle. But obviously he was very 0:22:32.520 --> 0:22:34.880 effective as a different type of nose tackle and had 0:22:34.880 --> 0:22:37.320 his best years with Wade go Ahead making so in 0:22:37.880 --> 0:22:41.640 in two thousand and one when they went five and eleven, 0:22:41.760 --> 0:22:46.280 zim had that defense ranked fourth in total yards, and 0:22:46.359 --> 0:22:50.160 then in two thousand and three they were number one, 0:22:50.560 --> 0:22:54.800 number one in defense that year, third against the run 0:22:55.160 --> 0:22:58.400 and first against the pass, and then they fell off 0:22:58.760 --> 0:23:01.880 in two fourth they were still that was the four 0:23:02.000 --> 0:23:04.320 three parcels first year, and then they fell off to 0:23:04.480 --> 0:23:07.640 sixteenth in two thousand and four, but they were awful 0:23:08.000 --> 0:23:12.000 on offense, and then when they went to the three 0:23:12.200 --> 0:23:17.000 four in two thousand and five, they were tenth, thirteenth, ninth, eighth, 0:23:17.119 --> 0:23:22.280 and ninth as Wade Phillips came in. So so the 0:23:22.359 --> 0:23:27.400 point is, if if you can play defense, even if 0:23:27.400 --> 0:23:31.240 you're struggling on offense, you give yourself a chance. But 0:23:31.480 --> 0:23:35.600 if you can't stop anybody and you're struggling on offense, 0:23:36.080 --> 0:23:41.120 you're three and nine after twelve games. All right, we continue, 0:23:41.160 --> 0:23:43.080 we'll go. We went way too long there, But I 0:23:43.119 --> 0:23:47.200 got some more numbers to throw at you about doomsday defense, 0:23:47.560 --> 0:23:50.359 and how good was the doomsday defense back in the 0:23:50.440 --> 0:23:53.200 day when we come back on mix shots. Hey, they're 0:23:53.240 --> 0:23:57.040 Cowboys fans With Type Cleaners at home pickup and delivery, 0:23:57.320 --> 0:24:00.720 cleaning your clothes has never been more convenient. 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