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Speaker 1: Hi, everyone, Welcome to Packers unscripted from Packers dot Com.

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Speaker 1: I am Mike Spofford sitting next to my trusted colleague

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Speaker 1: West Hodku. It's we're coming to you here from our

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Speaker 1: studios at lambeau Field and West. It is Wednesday, which

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Speaker 1: for us means opponent breakdown day, and the next opponent

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Speaker 1: for the Green Bay Packers will be the Los Angeles

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Speaker 1: Chargers on Sunday afternoon inside a soccer stadium whose name

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Speaker 1: escapes me at the moment, but I'm still struggling with

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Speaker 1: saying Los Angeles Charges instead of San Diego. So there

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Speaker 1: with me here as we us something like that. It

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Speaker 1: used to be called the stub Hub Center, but then

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Speaker 1: it changed its names. Thousand seat capacity that I talked

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Speaker 1: with Mark Murphy yesterday. Actually I was doing a um

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Speaker 1: a sort of conference call for one of our friend

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Speaker 1: Haley's fan clubs, and Mark Murphy was on the conference

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Speaker 1: call with fans and he was saying that he's predicting

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Speaker 1: that about seventy of that seven thousand um seat stadium

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Speaker 1: is going to be Packer fans um Sunday. It's going

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Speaker 1: to be interesting. Yeah, the other how this shakes out

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Speaker 1: and then there's gonna be about other twenty fans, percent

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Speaker 1: of fans that probably aren't fans for either team, and

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Speaker 1: maybe like five percent that were there for the Chargers. Uh.

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Speaker 1: It's incredible, and it's been a tough situation for the

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Speaker 1: Chargers this year. I think there's been some comments and

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Speaker 1: remarks made. Now, this is gonna be a pretty very

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Speaker 1: a reason why this game is being played in l

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Speaker 1: A as opposed to shipping it overseas. But it's actually funny.

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Speaker 1: I think, you know, you listen to some of these

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Speaker 1: comments the Charges players have made, it's almost like every

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Speaker 1: game has sort of been a road game for them

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Speaker 1: this season. Yeah, they played a primetime game at home.

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Speaker 1: I believe it was a Sunday night game earlier this

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Speaker 1: year against Pittsburgh, and the Pittsburgh Steeler fans took over

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Speaker 1: the place. I mean it was it was a home

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Speaker 1: game for the Steelers, more than two thousand miles from home,

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Speaker 1: and it sounds like Sunday afternoon could very much be

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Speaker 1: the same way for the Packers. You know, and this

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Speaker 1: is one that I guess, you know, I'm gonna say,

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Speaker 1: I really don't have a whole lot of sympathy for them.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you could have easily had this game go overseas,

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Speaker 1: and not saying that there would have been a ton

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Speaker 1: a better chance to have Charger fans. I just I

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Speaker 1: go back to that game last year, Mike against the Rams.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, ninety thousand seat l a Colosseum, and there's

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Speaker 1: and the Rams were undefeated at the time, and I

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Speaker 1: would say that that was about as close to a

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Speaker 1: fifty fifty split as I have ever seen at a

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Speaker 1: true road game. I mean, it really was. I believe

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Speaker 1: the announced attendance that day was around eighty thousand because

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Speaker 1: it wasn't a sell out at the Colosseum, but of

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Speaker 1: the was eighty thousand, I bet it was forty thousand

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Speaker 1: game on Sunday is gonna be very interesting to watch

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Speaker 1: from that perspective. Also, twenty seven thousand seed stadium that

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Speaker 1: I think fits thirty thousand for football, so a very

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Speaker 1: different environment than you and me are really you know,

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Speaker 1: used to covering well. When you look at the Chargers season,

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Speaker 1: here in the record says they're three and five, but

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Speaker 1: if you look at how these games are gone there,

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Speaker 1: their record, quite frankly, west could be absolutely anything at

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Speaker 1: this point. They won in overtime in week one, uh

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Speaker 1: there other than one victory that they had by a

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Speaker 1: past weekend when the Bears missed a kick on the

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Speaker 1: All five of the Chargers losses are one score defeats

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Speaker 1: that they were in those games all the way up

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Speaker 1: until the end. Probably the most heartbreaking of the bunch

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Speaker 1: was the road game at Tennessee where right at the

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Speaker 1: end of the game they're down by three. They actually

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Speaker 1: twice the officials call a touchdown in the final minute

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Speaker 1: of the game and they think they've won the game,

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Speaker 1: replay the automatic review of the score. Twice those replay

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Speaker 1: then after the second nullified touchdown, Melvin Gordon fumbles the

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Speaker 1: So they've they've had They've had about his wild, crazy

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Speaker 1: as you could possibly have. The bottom line, though, is

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Speaker 1: the firepower is there. They had Super Bowl asked oprations

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Speaker 1: going into this season, and all the reasons why the

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Speaker 1: Melvin Gordon holdout sort of complicated everything. It was funny, though,

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Speaker 1: might because as difficult and demoralizing as that Tennessee game was,

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Speaker 1: that was right after the game against Pittsburgh at home,

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Speaker 1: whereas you were talking about a very pro stealers crowd

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Speaker 1: in the Charges played about as poorly as you could

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Speaker 1: But they got they got. You know, something went right

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Speaker 1: for them last week. Uh, they played tooth and nail

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Speaker 1: they are with three and four. But as you said,

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Speaker 1: they're only blowout this year was that thirty to ten

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Speaker 1: those losses that were within a score. It's been a

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Speaker 1: very down to the wire season for the Chargers and

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Speaker 1: much like my fantasy football team, just haven't been able

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Speaker 1: was looking them up and writing some things in Insider

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Speaker 1: Inbox about the Chargers. Really you compare this seas and

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Speaker 1: for them to last year. Last year they had seven

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Speaker 1: of their sixteen games in the regular season were decided

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Speaker 1: by one score, and they were six and one in

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Speaker 1: those seven games. Just look at their record in the

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Speaker 1: one score games this year. It's it's what's happening in

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Speaker 1: the fourth quarter where they're not able to get it

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Speaker 1: the difference between them being twelve and four a year

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Speaker 1: fine line in this league, as we talk about all

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Speaker 1: the time. But that being said, as you said, there

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Speaker 1: are explosive weapons on this team. There is a savvy

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Speaker 1: veteran quarterback who has been there and done that. Do

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Speaker 1: not sleep on the l A Chargers. Well, and the

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Speaker 1: But they're just looking for some kind of spark. Let's

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Speaker 1: be honest, though, Mike. In the good years the bad years,

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Speaker 1: this team has gone as Philip Rivers has gone, and

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Speaker 1: unfortunately for them, he's just not been at his peak

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Speaker 1: this season. Last year I really thought he was, Oh

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Speaker 1: one of these things where you know, you look at

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Speaker 1: the games in which he's been down. You think of Denver,

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Speaker 1: you think about Pittsburgh, the loss against Detroit, he hasn't

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Speaker 1: the last two years. Matt Ryan's passer rating, all the

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Speaker 1: the Chargers, it really does need to be the Philip

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Speaker 1: have Melvin Gordon. He's come back but hasn't quite found

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Speaker 1: his rhythm yet. Austin Ekeler has had his months. But

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Speaker 1: the dangerous thing about this Chargers offenses, Philip Rivers and

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Speaker 1: Keenan Allen have been doing this for a long time now.

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Speaker 1: Allen again six yards I think already on the season.

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Speaker 1: He's a type of difference maker that you have to

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Speaker 1: account for at all times and a big play threat

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Speaker 1: I mean Keenan Allen is uh is certainly a big

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Speaker 1: I believe Williams average you've got it in front of

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Speaker 1: you mentioned Austin Ekeler, who essentially became the number one

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Speaker 1: Melvin Gordon's long holdout. He's a guy that now is

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Speaker 1: very regularly being worked into not only the rotation to

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Speaker 1: He's racked up five hundred yards receiving in five touchdowns

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Speaker 1: you know, smaller shifty running back. So that's definitely a

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Speaker 1: that this team really does go as as Philip Rivers goes,

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Speaker 1: it's being done to to provide some kind of a spark,

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Speaker 1: that head coach Anthony Lynn Fields is underperforming. And um,

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Speaker 1: you know we've seen it West. These things can go

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Speaker 1: the new types of game plans. Other times it really

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Speaker 1: does provide a spark and then and suddenly a team

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Speaker 1: I can recall is really, you know, the Jim Bob

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Speaker 1: let go. It seemed like that was a galvanizing moment

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Speaker 1: because as you mentioned, with Eckler, uh, it's fifty one

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Speaker 1: catches already on the air. He's tied with Keen Allen

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Speaker 1: for the most on the Chargers roster, putting him on

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Speaker 1: pace for over a hundred this season. Melvin Gordon is

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Speaker 1: Eckler is a guy that you can turn to, you

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Speaker 1: teams that have tight ends and you know the Chargers

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Speaker 1: can make you heard at times, and in Dontrell Inman

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Speaker 1: So yeah, I think you have to pressure Philip Rivers.

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Speaker 1: see what direction they go now moving forward. Yeah, all right, Well,

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