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Speaker 1: it before it's gone. All right, Hi, everybody, Great Sunday
Speaker 1: Night Monday Morning Podcast. John Middlecoff, former NFL Scout three
Speaker 1: and out at the Volume, will join us. We have
Speaker 1: a lot of things to talk about in the NFL.
Speaker 1: I just love John's takes today. Plus we do some
Speaker 1: Caleb Williams USC and the mess with the Trojans in
Speaker 1: Lincoln Riley. But you know, my first takeaway on Philadelphia's
Speaker 1: resounding win in the second half, you know they just
Speaker 1: leaned on them, is so much of Miami. I've been
Speaker 1: calling him the speedboat of the NFL. You know, the
Speaker 1: fake Gucci shoes, loafers, the fake gold watch, the speedboat.
Speaker 1: You know, it's really fast and really flashy and really fun.
Speaker 1: But this team's not built for November, December, January football.
Speaker 1: And that's why the Kansas City Chiefs are the current dynasty.
Speaker 1: They can do both. They can play real defense and
Speaker 1: dominate the line of scrimmage and be flashy and fun.
Speaker 1: Miami has yet to prove they can just do the
Speaker 1: flashy fun stuff, which flourishes in September and October and
Speaker 1: early November and then it doesn't. So the two teams
Speaker 1: that have faced them, Buffalo and Philadelphia, that are physical teams,
Speaker 1: have pushed them all over the ring. But let me
Speaker 1: talk about Philadelphia first. That I don't like the aesthetics,
Speaker 1: the optics of the brotherly shove, the tush push whatever
Speaker 1: you want to call it, and I do think you
Speaker 1: have to worry about I mean, the NFL's a TV show.
Speaker 1: It is. Baseball has never understood this. Networks have helped
Speaker 1: them a little over the last few years, but the
Speaker 1: NFL is always understood. We make our money in TV.
Speaker 1: We're a TV show. It's not good TV. It's why
Speaker 1: the NFL's cut back on preseason games. Empty seats looks bad.
Speaker 1: It's why the NFL got rid of the no catch rule.
Speaker 1: It looked bad. It's really smart. You're a TV show.
Speaker 1: That's where all the money comes from. So I don't
Speaker 1: think it looks very good, and I don't think you
Speaker 1: want everybody in the league doing it. But I was
Speaker 1: thinking about this tonight. Why does the tush push, the
Speaker 1: broaderdy shove work for Philadelphia? Well, two reasons. They have
Speaker 1: the best center, Jason Kelcey probably in over a decade
Speaker 1: in the NFL top five center ever. And Jalen Hurts,
Speaker 1: a small, powerful, six hundred pound bench press quarterback, was
Speaker 1: built for it. Well, that's just the coach identifying the
Speaker 1: talent of his players, innovative ingenuity. Don't we want to
Speaker 1: reward that in all businesses? It's not like the Eagles
Speaker 1: have a passive owner. You know, Jeffrey Lourie owns it,
Speaker 1: and they have this guy that owns five percent, and
Speaker 1: he's a shoe designer and he created a cleat that
Speaker 1: he put a patent on that he won't let anybody
Speaker 1: else build. And the cleat has an ability to has
Speaker 1: some sort of physical advantage over other shoes in the NFL,
Speaker 1: and nobody else can buy it or use it or no.
Speaker 1: That feels like the Houston Astros. This is a coaching
Speaker 1: staff saying hurts his strength, Jason Kelsey, And they designed
Speaker 1: a play that people are trying to duplicate and they can't.
Speaker 1: It's a business model nobody can duplicate. And for that reason,
Speaker 1: because I'm all for trying new stuff, I kind of
Speaker 1: respect the hell out of it. It's not good to
Speaker 1: look at. I wouldn't want to see. You know, when
Speaker 1: the Wildcat started, thank god, it didn't work very long.
Speaker 1: Do you really want the NFL hiking the ball to
Speaker 1: a tailback? It's not. It doesn't look good. And this
Speaker 1: stuff matters. I mean, the commissioners that understand the television
Speaker 1: dynamic and baseball, you know, Bud Seely didn't. He was
Speaker 1: he was leaning into steam heads and traditionalists. They're not
Speaker 1: paying the bills TV is So I don't love the
Speaker 1: look of it. I don't love the look of it.
Speaker 1: I think, you know, some teams are trying to duplicate
Speaker 1: it with six five quarterbacks and six six quarterbacks and
Speaker 1: skinny quarterbacks. It doesn't work. But it is innovative. There's
Speaker 1: a genius to it. It's a coaching staff identifying it,
Speaker 1: kind of like it, learning to like it. This game
Speaker 1: ended up looking a lot like I thought it would
Speaker 1: look like. I mean, in the end, the Dolphins scored
Speaker 1: ten offensive points and had twelve first downs. That's it.
Speaker 1: Seventy points against Denver, twelve first downs against Philadelphia. So
Speaker 1: you know, it's last week. I heard hierarchy. I forget
Speaker 1: where I had them like eight and people are like eight,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, yeah, that's about it. I heard hierarchy.
Speaker 1: I always consider the first four teams the super Bowl favorites.
Speaker 1: You know, Kansas City's up there, Baltimore's playing great, San Francisco.
Speaker 1: Those are gimmes. Miami's not a super Bowl team. They're fun.
Speaker 1: They should they should over the course of a season,
Speaker 1: as the weather gets colder, you know, have a little
Speaker 1: less success. You're throw in twelve to fifteen mile an
Speaker 1: hour wins on the road. You know, you're in a
Speaker 1: division with Buffalo and New York and New England and
Speaker 1: there's those late season games. They're just not built for it.
Speaker 1: Even Miami, or excuse me, even New England in the
Speaker 1: second half early in the season pushed back on them.
Speaker 1: Was very competitive. So Buffalo's throttled them, Philadelphia's dominated him,
Speaker 1: and New England for a half did And I think
Speaker 1: that's just who they are. I still think Miami's great
Speaker 1: for the NFL because a lot of people are going
Speaker 1: to use a lot of these motions. It's clever, they work.
Speaker 1: You know, I am for clever coaching and smart stuff
Speaker 1: and new football and so I'm I'm I like, I
Speaker 1: don't dislike Miami. I love watching them play, but I
Speaker 1: just think there's a ceiling on what they can do.
Speaker 1: And they're the classic speedboat. They are built for warm weather,
Speaker 1: and there's been there's been a lot of teams like this,
Speaker 1: and we've seen a lot of bad gms through the years.
Speaker 1: You know, quarterback gets hot, people get hot. He signed
Speaker 1: him to big extensions in season. Don't do that's that's
Speaker 1: not what you do. Never forget that a majority of
Speaker 1: this football season is in cold weather November one to February.
Speaker 1: What is it tenth now is the majority of the
Speaker 1: football season starts in the second week of September. So
Speaker 1: and Philadelphia is you know, Jalen Hurts is clearly not
Speaker 1: one hundred percent He's not. I mean I think it
Speaker 1: was once early he had a bootleg and just sat
Speaker 1: down and I thought, is he limping? And it was
Speaker 1: almost as if he was hiding it. Then later, I
Speaker 1: think it was in the first half. It could have
Speaker 1: been in the third quarter. I think it was first half.
Speaker 1: He ran to the sideline and he like limped over.
Speaker 1: So let's give Philadelphia credit. The quarterback's not healthy. Jalen
Speaker 1: Hurds wasn't healthy last season. But I do believe they've
Speaker 1: been searching for an identity all season. I do believe
Speaker 1: Philadelphia has found their identity. I just feel like Aj
Speaker 1: Brown's more comfortable, he's getting attention, They're using the tight
Speaker 1: ends effectively. Swift Devonte Smith, I think it takes time.
Speaker 1: I don't care if you're running a business or a
Speaker 1: football team, right it takes about six seven weeks, kind
Speaker 1: of practice, play, live games, more practice. What are we
Speaker 1: and I think what they are is a power football team.
Speaker 1: Even aj Brown the tight ends, you know these, how
Speaker 1: many times that night did Philadelphia gets stopped and they
Speaker 1: get three to four more yards? They lean, they drag
Speaker 1: a dolphin with them. It is a power football team.
Speaker 1: Miami is a speed football team. Both can win a
Speaker 1: lot of games. One is built for Thanksgiving on so again,
Speaker 1: ten offensive points, twelve first downs. This sport with a
Speaker 1: regulated level of violence, is still about big, strong guys.
Speaker 1: And Philadelphia is You just don't want any part of
Speaker 1: Philadelphia Eagles or the Philadelphia Phillies. They just they're big,
Speaker 1: they're brash, they're tough, they know it. And I felt,
Speaker 1: especially you know, you'll watch a football game and even
Speaker 1: when this game was tied, be honest, unless you're a
Speaker 1: Dolphin fan, even when it was tied, you kind of
Speaker 1: felt Philadelphia was the better team, right, Like like I
Speaker 1: was watching the Chargers and the Chiefs today and even
Speaker 1: though it was close early, it's tied, You're like, yeah,
Speaker 1: the Chargers lose games like this and the Chiefs always
Speaker 1: win games like this, and so hats off to Philadelphia,
Speaker 1: a really good football team that has found more importantly,
Speaker 1: their identity. They're good now, really good. They're a super
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Speaker 1: and out. John middle Coff, former NFL scout, SO Kansas
Speaker 1: City's offense has been sputtering, sputtering, sputtering, sputtering, can't get
Speaker 1: it right. So they bring a receiver over who is
Speaker 1: not He's a three in this lay. I mean they
Speaker 1: let him go. So that's all you need to know.
Speaker 1: And then they get him back. And a lot of
Speaker 1: people today are going to say, what about what about Herbert?
Speaker 1: What about Herbert? So Kansas City threw for four hundred
Speaker 1: and fifteen yards today with a receiving corps which with
Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes, Andy Reid and Kelsey, they were struggling to
Speaker 1: score for twenty points. Today they get thirty one. Kelsey
Speaker 1: was a machine and so this is a great example
Speaker 1: of when the coach isn't right. I think in Buffalo McDermott,
Speaker 1: we just look at Josh Allen and go, how can
Speaker 1: you lose to Mac Jones. But ask yourself this, what
Speaker 1: do the Chargers do well? They had a special team's gaff.
Speaker 1: They got to Mahomes one time, so they've got what's
Speaker 1: perceived to be they drafted a young kid out of
Speaker 1: sc good pass rusher. They've got real good pass rushers.
Speaker 1: One sack. The Chiefs got five sacks, and you've got
Speaker 1: an elite left tackle and slater and you have arguably
Speaker 1: another not as mobile as Mahomes, but a very mobile, big, strong,
Speaker 1: mobile quarterback. So special teams gaff Chargers, five sacks, Chiefs
Speaker 1: once again, big third down mistakes by the Chargers defense.
Speaker 1: So when you don't have the coach right and you're
Speaker 1: not doing anything well, And to me, John, whenever you
Speaker 1: question the quarterback, ask yourself, what is the team do well?
Speaker 1: The Chargers don't do anything really well. So to me,
Speaker 1: Mahomes is obsolously brilliant. But that's probably the first time
Speaker 1: all year that Mahomes has done that. Should he really
Speaker 1: be doing it against the highest paid defense today in
Speaker 1: the National Football League with a defensive head coach Colin.
Speaker 2: He threw for more yards in the first half than
Speaker 2: he ever had in his career, and he's arguably had
Speaker 2: the greatest start to a career we've ever seen. I mean,
Speaker 2: these guys won multiple MVPs. He just set his own
Speaker 2: personal record. Now in a vacuum, losing to the Chiefs
Speaker 2: if you're the Chargers, isn't that crazy, But given the
Speaker 2: way their season has started, there's somewhat desperation. Now. Listen,
Speaker 2: I would still be a little stunned if we woke
Speaker 2: up on Monday morning he was gone. But you're two
Speaker 2: and four. You got major issues. Listen. Like you said,
Speaker 2: everyone's gonna be like, look he through some picks at
Speaker 2: the end of the game, what the hell is Justin
Speaker 2: Herbert supposed to do? And the other thing is like,
Speaker 2: here's the thing with the Chiefs, right sky Moore, Everyone's like,
Speaker 2: when he's who cares? They got another guy? Rice? The
Speaker 2: thing with Andy, They'll just keep taking swings and they'll
Speaker 2: eventually hit on a guy, and they'll keep coaching guys up,
Speaker 2: and the kream will eventually rise like Pajaco last year,
Speaker 2: the Rice kid. You know, Kelsey and and Patrick are.
Speaker 2: You could argue they got a chance to be the
Speaker 2: greatest combination we've ever seen. They're like their generation's version
Speaker 2: of like Montana and Rice Rice. So now that their
Speaker 2: defense is good, Now, they did take a pretty major
Speaker 2: injury to their star linebacker, who I think the sideline
Speaker 2: reporter said was screaming in pain. So maybe he broke
Speaker 2: his wrists or something. That would be a little bit
Speaker 2: of a problem. But I think you see, you know,
Speaker 2: I don't think the gap. Obviously, Mahomes is a better
Speaker 2: player than Herbert, but the gap between those two guys
Speaker 2: shouldn't be one team winning fourteen fifteen games with ease
Speaker 2: and another team scraping and klawn for eight and nine wins.
Speaker 1: Also, who's got the better left tackle Chargers. The best
Speaker 1: receiver in that game is Keenan Allen. The best back
Speaker 1: arguably is Austin Eckler. Why can't they move the ball? No, again,
Speaker 1: you can blame Herbert, but remember they lost Mike, so
Speaker 1: they don't really have a deep threat and Quentin Johnston,
Speaker 1: the rookie, appears to be a complete whiff. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: they Mike Williams is gone, who they love to throw
Speaker 1: the ball down the field. Keenan's not really that guy.
Speaker 1: He's a third down receiver. He's a great, big, physical body,
Speaker 1: third down receiver. He's not a deep threat. So they
Speaker 1: don't have Yeah, they don't have a deep threat on
Speaker 1: the roster. It was Mike he's gone and Quentin Johnson
Speaker 1: appears to be at least one year in. Is he
Speaker 1: learning the playbook? Know from what i've If they're not
Speaker 1: even getting him in the game, if they're not targeting him,
Speaker 1: that means the coaches and the quarterback don't trust him generally.
Speaker 1: That means he's not up to snuff right now. Currently
Speaker 1: with a system with a playbook takes time some rookies
Speaker 1: at all positions, takes time. But it's all gonna fall
Speaker 1: on Herbert. Ask yourself, name the quarterback whose big, strong, power, arm,
Speaker 1: athletic four to two major in college, who doesn't work now?
Speaker 1: Can he be a bit mechanical? Absolutely, that's a total.
Speaker 1: Mahomes is the most fluid guy that's ever played the position.
Speaker 1: Lamar is incredibly fluid. Allen can be fluid. Herbert can
Speaker 1: be a little stiff. No, I'm not putting him in Mahomes' class.
Speaker 1: But Josh Allen now struggled for weeks Burrow had a
Speaker 1: bad September. Stuff happens. It's hard to play the position.
Speaker 1: But I'll just go back to this when you're questioning
Speaker 1: the quarterback. It's not as though this defense is playing
Speaker 1: lights out. Mahomes broke his own personal record throwing in
Speaker 1: the first half. Again, they don't have a number one receiver.
Speaker 1: How's that possible?
Speaker 2: One problem and the only way the AFC is going
Speaker 2: to take down this team. Obviously they did a couple
Speaker 2: of years ago. But I think Mahomes might have been
Speaker 2: like concussed in the second half when the Bengals beat him.
Speaker 2: You're just probably not beating them in Kansas City. You're
Speaker 2: gonna need them. Not that Kansas City couldn't win on
Speaker 2: the road in the playoffs. The Patriots are a good example.
Speaker 2: During their dynasty, they're definitely equipped to. But if you're
Speaker 2: just giving them the number one seed year in year out,
Speaker 2: they're gonna consistently just be in the Super Bowl, and
Speaker 2: you kind of look at the way that's shaping out.
Speaker 2: I say this every week, and it was on four
Speaker 2: display today. Like the Patriots for those twenty years, they
Speaker 2: benefited a lot because they had five wins and most
Speaker 2: times six wins in their division. Look at the Chiefs
Speaker 2: division right now. I mean, the Raiders just got curb
Speaker 2: stomped by a quarterback no one's ever heard of Denver won.
Speaker 2: But they are not any good and we just saw
Speaker 2: the Chargers. So that the Chiefs are going to have
Speaker 2: this thing locked up probably like by like December first,
Speaker 2: and it's just going to be very, very difficult, especially
Speaker 2: with the Taylor Swift edition, to beat them in Arrowhead.
Speaker 2: They're just not losing games there, Colin.
Speaker 1: Let's talk Denver. So there's two young quarterbacks I want
Speaker 1: to discuss Kenny Pickett in a second, Pittsburgh and Jordan Love. Now,
Speaker 1: so I had said on this podcast and on FS
Speaker 1: one multiple times that I had heard from a source
Speaker 1: I trust who had been around the Packers during the
Speaker 1: Jordan Love years. There was just no special It wasn't
Speaker 1: bad game manager. We saw how cautiously they coached them
Speaker 1: in the preseason. We know they give their quarterback protection.
Speaker 1: They've got excellent backs, young urging tiden wide receivers. Today
Speaker 1: Jordan Love again, if you didn't watch the game, you're like, well,
Speaker 1: one interception, a couple of touchdown passes. You know, he's
Speaker 1: like twenty for twenty eight. Well, one of the touchdown
Speaker 1: passes was a deflection. The other one could have easily
Speaker 1: been intercepted. It was a jump ball. And one of
Speaker 1: his biggest plays of the day was a dump off
Speaker 1: to a running back and the Broncos defense surrendered thirty yards.
Speaker 1: Is that it's it really becomes dump down stuff. I
Speaker 1: don't see him accurately consistently throw the ball down the field.
Speaker 1: I I mean, now, Russell Wilson's lost confidence. He missed
Speaker 1: on a four yard swing pass that he threw too low.
Speaker 1: He was like pushing the ball. That's a quarterback who's
Speaker 1: lost confidence. But I watched Jordan Love and you're a
Speaker 1: former NFL scout, like you can't. I don't see it.
Speaker 1: I don't see it at all. It's game managing four
Speaker 1: years in.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what do you use? Today? Was ugly? Obviously Denver's
Speaker 2: terrible on defense. We've seen all season long, and like
Speaker 2: you said, the only plays they could really mustered up
Speaker 2: to get any flow in their offense, I mean early
Speaker 2: on their offense was pretty embarrassing. Or screen passes were screened,
Speaker 2: were schemed up kind of wide receiver screen. Yes to me.
Speaker 2: The two touchdowns. Like you said, if you just go
Speaker 2: to the box score, you're like, all right through two touchdowns.
Speaker 2: I think Sirtaan picks that off seventy percent of the time,
Speaker 2: the one the jump ball and the other pick. But
Speaker 2: the majority of time that balls tip, it always lands
Speaker 2: into defender's hands and he takes it one hundred yards
Speaker 2: the other way. So I'll get the Packers credit on
Speaker 2: this one though. And we've seen teams be in position
Speaker 2: where they pick up the fifth year option when they shouldn't,
Speaker 2: or they don't pick up a fifth year option, they
Speaker 2: just let it play out. Like the Giants. They extended
Speaker 2: this guy on basically a backup quarterback contract. Remember they
Speaker 2: gave him like eleven million dollars over two years. They
Speaker 2: are gonna be in position, they have some young pieces, right,
Speaker 2: you can still get a quarterback. You could easily put
Speaker 2: him back to the backup spot financially. Didn't screw yourself.
Speaker 2: You took a calculated risk. But clearly the contract told
Speaker 2: you what they kind of believed in them. They're like,
Speaker 2: we're not picking up the fifty year option. We're not
Speaker 2: giving you some extension here, give you eleven million dollars
Speaker 2: going right for a backup quarterback three four five million
Speaker 2: dollars a year. Nothing crazy. If he's a backup quarterback,
Speaker 2: has to play an individual game. Not terrible, but I
Speaker 2: think with every snap that plays out, probably pretty clear
Speaker 2: that they don't have their next Aaron Rodgers on their hand.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and so right now they're probably gonna draft in
Speaker 1: the you know, in the somewhere between twelve and six.
Speaker 2: They're not They're not very good colin I mean they are.
Speaker 2: The more you watch them, you're like, ah, this team
Speaker 2: five wins.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And so let's say they draft eleven. You could
Speaker 1: get I don't think bon Nicks rises to that. You
Speaker 1: could get Pennix Potentially, you're not gonna get caleber Drake May,
Speaker 1: but you could get the third or fourth best quarterback.
Speaker 1: And I think, you know, I will say this because
Speaker 1: I think they hit on receivers and tight ends and
Speaker 1: the last couple drafts I like all of them. And
Speaker 1: they got the Reid kid from Michigan State. I think
Speaker 1: he's from. Yeah, they added Yeah, they added another piece
Speaker 1: with Watson and Romeo Dobs. So they have good young receivers.
Speaker 1: If you go get another quarterback, you can bring a
Speaker 1: veteran in spend some money and bring up bring a
Speaker 1: veteran in now because you got a bunch of young
Speaker 1: kids at tied end wide receiver. Probably got to draft
Speaker 1: your next David Baktiari. But they don't have a lot
Speaker 1: of huge holes, so they usually go defense. Green Bay
Speaker 1: does in the first round. Probably time to go get
Speaker 1: another quarterback. Remember, if you hit on one of two,
Speaker 1: that's better than the league average.
Speaker 2: And the other thing. If you're a Packer fan, which
Speaker 2: probably feels because you're not used to this, it's gonna
Speaker 2: be a long season. Look at the NFC big picture
Speaker 2: right beside, like the Niners in the Eagles. Yeah, obviously
Speaker 2: the Lions are got exposed a little bit today, a
Speaker 2: lot today. It's not like you are playing in a
Speaker 2: conference with seven star young quarterbacks. So if you can
Speaker 2: within a year turn the thing over a little bit
Speaker 2: and just get to nine wins, you can compete to
Speaker 2: be a wild card rams battle. You watch some of
Speaker 2: these teams, you know they are not the drop off
Speaker 2: after the top two teams roster wise. In the NFC
Speaker 2: is not like the AFC, because hey face, we talked
Speaker 2: about the Chargers. They get the right coach all of
Speaker 2: a sudden. They're an eleven win team next year.
Speaker 1: Right right, Hey, Brock Purdy right now, and Geno Smith.
Speaker 1: It was a playoff quarterbacks, right, So the NFC is
Speaker 1: very watered down. So let's go to the Rams Steelers.
Speaker 1: So the Steelers have a better roster, the Rams are
Speaker 1: in a bit of a rebuild, and I think the
Speaker 1: game felt like a go either way game until about
Speaker 1: eight minutes left, and then Pittsburgh's depth and physicality took
Speaker 1: over and the better team won. But I don't love
Speaker 1: Kenny Pickett, but I do think he plays with confidence
Speaker 1: that Jordan Love doesn't, that Russell Wilson no longer does.
Speaker 1: And Pickett made two or three big throws downfield, and again,
Speaker 1: don't love him. I had a GM who we both
Speaker 1: know and respect. I'm not going to give it up.
Speaker 1: He's an AFCGM on the East Coast, and he told
Speaker 1: me he viewed him as a top of the third round.
Speaker 1: And this is a good GM, a top of the
Speaker 1: third round pick. Pittsburgh takes the guy they needed a quarterback.
Speaker 1: I don't think there's a ton of special but he
Speaker 1: made big throws and he you know, Pittsburgh's one of
Speaker 1: the more infinite physical teams in the league, and I
Speaker 1: think part of that. To be a Steeler quarterback, you
Speaker 1: have to play with ego, Like it doesn't matter Bradshaw,
Speaker 1: big bet, you have to. You know, Mike Tomlin's teams
Speaker 1: are all big chest, big emotion, big swagger. They look
Speaker 1: great off the bus. And I think Kenny plays with
Speaker 1: enough of that. It may be false confidence, but it's confidence.
Speaker 1: And I watched him today and I'm like, I don't
Speaker 1: love him, but he has some self belief. And I
Speaker 1: think when you're a b Ish B minus guy, if
Speaker 1: that gets you to a B or a C plus,
Speaker 1: it gets you to a B minus you And I
Speaker 1: know this confidence matters, and I think Kenny Pickett. I
Speaker 1: watched Jordan Love and I see a staff terrified of
Speaker 1: throwing the ball down the field. Yeah, Pittsburgh, Canada.
Speaker 2: He's dialing it up.
Speaker 1: He's asking him to make big froze and he made
Speaker 1: a couple.
Speaker 2: I don't know if you've seen some of these viral videos, Colin,
Speaker 2: but the Matt Canada hate from Steeler fans around the
Speaker 2: country has been growing and growing. Today was a good day.
Speaker 2: I listened as a fellow bald brother. I was rooting
Speaker 2: for him. The one thing. Listen, Historically, the mac Jones,
Speaker 2: Kenny Picketts, those talents are third fourth round picks. But
Speaker 2: we're in the time of quarterback inflation, where desperation meets
Speaker 2: the power of a rookie contract. There are a lot
Speaker 2: of combinations leading to that quarterback inflation. But one guy
Speaker 2: went fifteenth, the other win twentieth. Listen, I'm not a
Speaker 2: mac Jones guy. I'm not even a Kenny Pickett guy.
Speaker 2: But you got us surround those guys with high end talent.
Speaker 2: Mac Jones obviously had a couple moments today, but for
Speaker 2: the most part is going to be very limited when
Speaker 2: he's playing with average players. The Steelers draft, develop and
Speaker 2: find skill guys like no team in the league. Pickens look,
Speaker 2: i mean, let's face it, like a top seven eight
Speaker 2: wide receiver in the league today. Physically he definitely is.
Speaker 2: And he's making back shoulder plays plays down the scene,
Speaker 2: breaking tackles, and you get Johnson backed their explosion on
Speaker 2: the outside on Warren, the little running back. He had
Speaker 2: a speed element. So yeah, you just saw Pickens. Like
Speaker 2: you said, confidence is a real thing. He's a mobile quarterback,
Speaker 2: not a great athlete, but He's not a bad athlete
Speaker 2: by any means. Can move the ball, and like you said,
Speaker 2: he's once he got in a rhythm. You saw Jones
Speaker 2: when he had success early on his career. Same thing,
Speaker 2: kind of that. Kirk Cousin's mold of rhythm matters a lot.
Speaker 2: They can't just at any moment go Josh Allen or
Speaker 2: Justin Herbert and pull some play into their ass. They
Speaker 2: don't have those physical capabilities.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I thought, I mean Nause Harris Warren are
Speaker 1: that's a really nice combo. Probably both BB plus but
Speaker 1: good solid backs tight end. I like Deontay Johnson pick.
Speaker 1: It is tremendous. I don't think you know, I think
Speaker 1: the Canada thing is, I don't think he's one of
Speaker 1: the more creative thinkers. Believe he's not. But you know,
Speaker 1: when you watch that game, if you wouldn't have known
Speaker 1: anything about football, it's a classic example of a rebuilding
Speaker 1: roster with some really nice players Pooka Nakua, Cooper Cup,
Speaker 1: Aaron Donald, Matt Stafford, haven Steinwright tackle some really and
Speaker 1: a really full blown super Bowl capable roster. And it
Speaker 1: looks really even until about late third and you're like,
Speaker 1: all right, Pittsburgh's just got way more guys.
Speaker 2: And one thing the Rams can't match is, you know, Donald,
Speaker 2: one of the great players of all time, kind of
Speaker 2: on an island. Now, you know, Aalen Ramsey's long gone.
Speaker 2: Some of their stud safeties just have passed. They've had
Speaker 2: to let go. Obviously, their linebacking corps pretty unknown. He
Speaker 2: doesn't have many high end friends on the defensive line anymore,
Speaker 2: a lot of young guys. Where you look at the
Speaker 2: other side of the ball. You got TJ. Watt, who's
Speaker 2: like Donald, an elite Hall of Fame level guy. They
Speaker 2: have other sweet pass rushers in Highsmith Minu Fitzpatrick's one
Speaker 2: of the more verstable players in the NFL. Joey Porter's
Speaker 2: son looks like a future star. So they they got
Speaker 2: classic receivers coming on, are healthy, and their core, their ethos,
Speaker 2: the defensive side of the ball, the team speed, the
Speaker 2: physicality the Seers have. I mean, the Steelers were able
Speaker 2: to just kind of keep their head above water, and
Speaker 2: now if they can just gain a little momentum on offense,
Speaker 2: you know that they should listen. I liked him, probably
Speaker 2: a little too much, but at the end of the day,
Speaker 2: they're probably an eleven win team, maybe not a fourteen
Speaker 2: win team like I thought, but they're definitely better than
Speaker 2: that eight to nine field that they definitely had for
Speaker 2: what about two and a half weeks. He's like, got
Speaker 2: the Steelers are in trouble and they've they just to me,
Speaker 2: that's an organization so far this year that it's just
Speaker 2: kind of found a way and now they feel like
Speaker 2: they got a little momentum moving forward.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Pete Carroll did that today. Ugly win win. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Pete just sort of just teaches up, coaches up, and
Speaker 1: they play like crap for long stretches and you look
Speaker 1: up and the Steelers didn't play well, the Seahawks didn't,
Speaker 1: but veteran Hall of Fame level coaches, they just find
Speaker 1: ways to win ugly games.
Speaker 2: I do think one thing that was on full display
Speaker 2: today was divisional games. Regardless of the record, even if
Speaker 2: you've got new coaches, players know each other, so scouting
Speaker 2: reports on guys, you've played a guy for three or
Speaker 2: four years, the strengths and the weaknesses, things they like
Speaker 2: to do. You have an understanding of their schemes, of
Speaker 2: the things that they do. And you see it from
Speaker 2: the Belichick beating the Bills. Think about Belichick. He has
Speaker 2: on every single player of the Bills, especially their high
Speaker 2: end ones. Think of the knowledge he has from a
Speaker 2: scouting report standpoint and that he can give to their players.
Speaker 2: Think even Arizona today, like their players knowledge, the guys
Speaker 2: that have been there for a couple of years, understanding
Speaker 2: of DK Metcalf, Tyler Lockett, Jamal Adams weakness. So to me,
Speaker 2: Giants against Washington, these players, it's why you kind of
Speaker 2: sometimes have to throw the record out regardless of playoff team,
Speaker 2: you know, top seven drafting team when they're division matchups,
Speaker 2: even when the coaching staffs has turned over, because the
Speaker 2: players comfort level, even going into that stadium, you know
Speaker 2: the locker room, you know where to come out. Sometimes
Speaker 2: the random games, right, you never know what you're going
Speaker 2: to get, like the Bears beating the crap out of
Speaker 2: the Raiders. But Bill's Patriots, like Belchik knows what Josh
Speaker 2: Allen does and what he doesn't do.
Speaker 1: Well. Yeah, I want to talk about the early game
Speaker 1: of the day, and it was my kind of favorite pick.
Speaker 1: I really liked the Ravens at home against Detroit. Now
Speaker 1: Detroit's not the Detroit of the last three years where
Speaker 1: golf last two years, where golf can only win at home,
Speaker 1: only on the dome, only a certain way. It's a
Speaker 1: different team. It's a great old line. They can run.
Speaker 1: I thought it was a bit of a snake pit.
Speaker 1: I did not like this matchup for Detroit. Baltimore's a
Speaker 1: tough place to play, And I said, I think I
Speaker 1: told you this last week. I thought Baltimore's first half
Speaker 1: in London against Tennessee was the best half of football
Speaker 1: I've seen any team play in the league. I think
Speaker 1: Lamar right now is playing easily the best football. And
Speaker 1: for all the things the Ravens do well, they haven't
Speaker 1: in the last six seven years been a great wide
Speaker 1: receiver organization, the opposite of the Steelers. But say Flowers Odell,
Speaker 1: I think Lamar is healthy, He's got a contract. He
Speaker 1: feels buoyed by that. I mean, I think he's playing
Speaker 1: with a ton of confidence. He's very happy now. That's
Speaker 1: not hanging over him. A guy that runs a lot
Speaker 1: and gets hurt, is he gonna get paid? He's paid,
Speaker 1: He's happy. I don't think less of Detroit today. I
Speaker 1: think San Francisco and the Ravens today, and then Kansas
Speaker 1: City after what I saw. But I'm tempering it because
Speaker 1: it was the Chargers defense. I think Baltimore is a
Speaker 1: great football team right now. I don't think Harriball's a
Speaker 1: special teams guy. The defense top five, the offense top five,
Speaker 1: and Lamar. You know, contracts do different things to different people.
Speaker 1: I think Lamar it's really helped him because there was
Speaker 1: that Now he can play full speed. Now he played. Listen, man,
Speaker 1: if you run around, you've been banged up, and you're
Speaker 1: staring at three hundred million dollars, and I'd be like,
Speaker 1: you know, if I was stared at three hundred million.
Speaker 2: Dollars at twenty six years old, right, you'd be like,
Speaker 2: I'm a run out of bounds on this one.
Speaker 1: He's playing with like, hey, I got my money, I'm
Speaker 1: just gonna go win games. I think Lamar right now,
Speaker 1: I'm not serious. There are a lot of sundays he's
Speaker 1: the second best player in the league to Mahomes. I
Speaker 1: think he is so good right now.
Speaker 2: Well, two things. Knowing some people there, I know last
Speaker 2: year when it got weird, they never thought it was
Speaker 2: that weird because they really trusted the guy that They've
Speaker 2: all the people that have been around him the whole time,
Speaker 2: his character, everything that he stood for. They understood that
Speaker 2: the contract situation was kind of its own little thing
Speaker 2: and it was throwing him off. But they always win football,
Speaker 2: like football came first for Lamar obviously this year, think
Speaker 2: about that Division two contracts Deshaun wat that thing's been weird, NonStop.
Speaker 2: Shoulder injury today, injury, it just feels. And their team
Speaker 2: talent wise is every bit as good as these top teams,
Speaker 2: but the Deshaun Watson situation is all just out of whack.
Speaker 2: When you look at the Ravens today, they showed up
Speaker 2: like Mike Tyson in his prime. That thing was over
Speaker 2: in the first quarter. It was a knockout blow to me.
Speaker 2: If I was doing a little Herd hierarchy AFC, I
Speaker 2: would still have the Chiefs won. They've earned it, like
Speaker 2: they're just the resume of all those guys and their coach.
Speaker 2: I would have the Ravens two in the AFC. Though, Yeah,
Speaker 2: the way they're playing, and like we talked about earlier,
Speaker 2: if somehow, if I'm the Ravens like getting those home games,
Speaker 2: I do not want to go to Kansas City. Obviously
Speaker 2: they have one less loss than you right now. But
Speaker 2: you know, Kansas City's probably a fourteen and three team.
Speaker 2: You got to keep stacking these wins because I do
Speaker 2: think the home field advantage for a team that and
Speaker 2: let's face it, the other elephant in the room is
Speaker 2: Lamar hasn't had that much really hasn't had any postseason success.
Speaker 2: So that's an element too. Going to Kansas City, I
Speaker 2: gotta do everything humanly posible to try to get that
Speaker 2: one seat. Because I'm with you, Lamar is he the
Speaker 2: MVP right now? I mean, bask the end of October.
Speaker 1: I think he is, and I think again he's playing.
Speaker 1: He's playing with great confidence. Money can ruin players. It's
Speaker 1: made him a better player.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And by the way, this team, this receiving group, they're
Speaker 1: only going to get better. They've only played six games together, right,
Speaker 1: Like like Odell's knew, uh, you know last year, Lamar's
Speaker 1: not healthy. Now they got the rookie wide receiver. It's like, oh,
Speaker 1: they're good now. We also said this, that's the fastest
Speaker 1: team in the league right now.
Speaker 2: He doesn't get enough credit. Mahomes didn't save Kansas City,
Speaker 2: he just elevated them. Right. The Ravens were dead before
Speaker 2: Lamar John Harbaugh's career was heading in the wrong direction
Speaker 2: in Baltimore. I'm not he would have got a job
Speaker 2: somewhere else. But the Flacco situation that the team was
Speaker 2: just kind of it just felt like it had run
Speaker 2: his course. They had lacked juice, and he came and
Speaker 2: he's not just resurrected that franchise, turned them into perennial power.
Speaker 2: And it does feel like you said, adding is eight flowers.
Speaker 2: Mark Andrews playing really well. The scheme with Todd Munkin
Speaker 2: Like I was nervous that they were gonna try to
Speaker 2: get away from what they do well, right, but they've
Speaker 2: kind of integrated a more explosive passing offense. Yet he's
Speaker 2: still very active as a mover. I wouldn't call him
Speaker 2: running like he did in twenty nineteen tenty twenty, but
Speaker 2: his his activity level as an athlete is still there.
Speaker 2: And it throws you. He had a touchdown today I
Speaker 2: think to go up twenty when nothing kind of scrambled around.
Speaker 2: It was just I don't know who else had that
Speaker 2: in the bag in the NFL.
Speaker 1: Well, it's almost like Jamie Fowxx was so naturally funny
Speaker 1: you forgot how good of an actor he was right like,
Speaker 1: you're like he can sing too, Yeah, but he was
Speaker 1: so naturally funny and good looking and funny that you
Speaker 1: forget like you ever watched his movies. Lamar was so
Speaker 1: gifted running. I don't think we've ever given him credit.
Speaker 1: Shit in the pocket. But for the record, he's the
Speaker 1: other guy in the league. Side arms it running left,
Speaker 1: can throw it, couldn't go the deep ball, can run right.
Speaker 1: Like a lot of guys when they move Mahomes and Lamar,
Speaker 1: when they move, their accuracy doesn't depth, which is hard.
Speaker 1: Right you think about it, Think about you're moving, You're
Speaker 1: going up and down jar Lamar moving his feet are good.
Speaker 1: I just when I watched that game today, it's one
Speaker 1: of those Detroit's better than that. If they played in
Speaker 1: Detroit it would be better. But Detroit looked a little plodding.
Speaker 1: Baltimore looked like a track team.
Speaker 2: Just was so fast. I think the one red flag
Speaker 2: big picture is gonna be on Detroit because I'm with you,
Speaker 2: like this is gonna be a throwaway game. They'll be
Speaker 2: eleven and six and win that division easily. It's they'll
Speaker 2: probably win their first round game, depending on who they
Speaker 2: play some crappy wild card team, maybe a Seattle or
Speaker 2: the Rams. They could lose that game, but they're gonna
Speaker 2: get a home and the place will be rocking. But
Speaker 2: the second game will they'll have to go on the
Speaker 2: road to San Francisco or to the Eagles, and Jared
Speaker 2: Goffs just not built to play outside and just an
Speaker 2: environment like that.
Speaker 1: Not in January.
Speaker 2: We both like him. He's he's earned a lot of
Speaker 2: respect since the trade. It's been remarkable, but there are limitations.
Speaker 2: He's kind of got the Cousins thing for him. When
Speaker 2: things are right, he can look really good. He can
Speaker 2: lead you to twelve wins, you can throw a lot
Speaker 2: of touchdowns, But do you really trust him when twenty
Speaker 2: five million people are watching and you're playing the two
Speaker 2: seed on the road. Probably not?
Speaker 1: All right, let's do ten minutes on USC football. Okay,
Speaker 1: so you know Alabama close one, Washington close one, Oklahoma
Speaker 1: close one, USC close lost once again the defense couldn't
Speaker 1: make a stop. So I think the defensive side, I
Speaker 1: think you can shore up a lot of what they
Speaker 1: do with a new defensive coordinator, with Alex Grinch losing,
Speaker 1: you know, moving on, I do think Bear Alexander will
Speaker 1: play in the pros. I think they have a linebacker
Speaker 1: who's a probe. I think they've got a safety that's
Speaker 1: a pro. They don't have Michigan talent. They don't have
Speaker 1: Bama Georgia talent. But if you went to like team
Speaker 1: six to team sixteen in the college football world, their
Speaker 1: talents somewhat comparable. I mean, Washington doesn't have great talent.
Speaker 1: They have a good edge rusher. Here's something, let me
Speaker 1: throw at you. What's really regressed has been their offensive line,
Speaker 1: and you're like, they got a couple of NFL guys there.
Speaker 1: They absolutely upgraded with transfers. They actually have some depth
Speaker 1: on the interior due to recruiting. What's happened as I
Speaker 1: watched them, I think Caleb is just ad libbing a
Speaker 1: lot more than he was last year. Between the confidence,
Speaker 1: the Heisman, the power, the nil money, he's sort of
Speaker 1: doing his own thing. And it's a little Josh Allen
Speaker 1: that when you're we always say the Bill's O line
Speaker 1: is terrible, it's not. They've got a pro bowler, but
Speaker 1: Josh at times, he's a little more this year. I
Speaker 1: think he's a little more defined or refined. But when
Speaker 1: Josh is out there running.
Speaker 2: It's hard.
Speaker 1: As an offensive lineman, you're kind of at the whim
Speaker 1: of what Josh Allen wanted to do. And when I
Speaker 1: watch you, because their O line looks terrible, but it's
Speaker 1: not terrible. Their personnel's not terrible. I wonder if Caleb
Speaker 1: now is sort of like, hey, I'm out of the
Speaker 1: natty picture, I got my nil money. I'm gonna do
Speaker 1: what I want to do. You think that could be possible.
Speaker 2: Do you remember when the division and really some of
Speaker 2: the animosity started in Seattle. You know, probably around seventeen eighteen,
Speaker 2: everyone started shitting on their offensive line and saying Russell
Speaker 2: Wilson was running for his life, and a lot of
Speaker 2: former offensive linemen said, well, he's taken off early and
Speaker 2: he would make hero ball plays now he would make them.
Speaker 2: So it kind of bandiated, well look at what he did,
Speaker 2: but the result was you should have just stayed in
Speaker 2: the pocket, and clearly the coaching staff now everyone just
Speaker 2: kind of started button heads. I think Caleb's talent is extraordinary.
Speaker 2: His arm strength, his athleticism, his ability to throw moving
Speaker 2: left or right, especially across his body. My home style
Speaker 2: he had to throw last night across his body to
Speaker 2: the left side. That was only five guys on this
Speaker 2: planet can do that. But he definitely has this hero
Speaker 2: ball syndrome, which might not be all his fault that
Speaker 2: the program is in somewhat disarray, I do think, and
Speaker 2: I get this a lot because they're like, oh, your boy,
Speaker 2: he's hyping Caleb up again. And listen, I'm guilty of
Speaker 2: this too. We kind of annoyed players as generational talents
Speaker 2: are all. He has generational capabilities from an arm standpoint,
Speaker 2: but as a prospect, like if you go Luck or
Speaker 2: l Way or Manning, he's short relative to those guys,
Speaker 2: Like the great prospects have all been six four to
Speaker 2: six y five, right, and he's I talked to a
Speaker 2: guy who's been around them, thinks he's a shade under
Speaker 2: six foot one. But he's built like a tank. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and he knows that he's very thick and powerful. I
Speaker 2: do think the all time great prospects stuff. He's a
Speaker 2: really good prospect who is gonna go ninety five percent
Speaker 2: number one overall and worst case scenario, go number two overall.
Speaker 2: But I think we see some plaus I mean, we
Speaker 2: see some of the numbers now against better teams, Notre
Speaker 2: Dame and especially Utah, high end defensive players, well coached guys.
Speaker 2: They're going to be playing on Sunday. And he doesn't
Speaker 2: look like he did against Arizona in some of these games.
Speaker 2: Now I listen the program, I think banning the reporter,
Speaker 2: not allowing NFL scouts in there for a month and
Speaker 2: a half, not having the players talk, like to me,
Speaker 2: some of their priorities. It's like, is Nick Saban obsessed
Speaker 2: with that bullshit? Of course, not like what is Lincoln.
Speaker 2: I don't I think some of their priorities, and I
Speaker 2: think sometimes I remember when the forty nine ers drafted
Speaker 2: Hufunga and Drake Jackson and they said, obviously the sc
Speaker 2: was in shambles. Then with Clay Hilton and they said,
Speaker 2: you know, Drake Jackson got a bad rap, but so
Speaker 2: do most players when coaches are getting fired and things
Speaker 2: are in disarray. Whufungo was the rare guy that even
Speaker 2: people that are getting fired, getting tarnished coaches, they all
Speaker 2: had good things to say about him. And that's a
Speaker 2: very very small percentage of humans that are able to
Speaker 2: kind of rise above it. And I don't know, Caleb,
Speaker 2: I've never heard bad things. But it does feel like
Speaker 2: he's kind of in the middle right now of the weirdness.
Speaker 2: And I got to start with the blameing peigu one
Speaker 2: hundred and twenty million dollars. It does start with the
Speaker 2: head coach, and it feels like he's lost control a
Speaker 2: little bit of just some of the basic details of
Speaker 2: a high end program.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So Pete Carroll was perfect, and I didn't know
Speaker 1: it at the time, but it was obvious after about
Speaker 1: four or five years he'd been in the NFL. So
Speaker 1: he didn't care about people on campus. He didn't care
Speaker 1: about media. Pete treated at USC he was like scouts, gms,
Speaker 1: get in here, media.
Speaker 2: Snoop, doors wide open, everybody.
Speaker 1: Why these college coaches, people I like urban Meyer get
Speaker 1: very provincial, very Gainesville, very Tuscaloosa, small, timid media that
Speaker 1: has one game to cover in town. It's like Lincoln,
Speaker 1: We're We're not Norman, Oklahoma. There's two NFL teams, the
Speaker 1: Dodgers draw five million, two NBA teams, LAFC, the Galaxy, UCLA.
Speaker 1: It's like, we just we just don't need if us.
Speaker 1: He goes on a two game losing streak, LA doesn't
Speaker 1: go and so I think Lincoln's finding out and I
Speaker 1: think college coaches have found this out. Here is that
Speaker 1: Pete was perfect. Pete's a big city, big thinker. He'd
Speaker 1: had Boston media, New York media. Pete knew you know
Speaker 1: you couldn't. Pete just was used to the win, the
Speaker 1: heat you get. Boston media is as cranky as any
Speaker 1: and so when Pete got to La, like he was
Speaker 1: take shots at me, I don't care. I think Lincoln
Speaker 1: sometimes feels a little like those small college town guys
Speaker 1: that want to control everything, and that's not La. We
Speaker 1: got options here.
Speaker 2: The other thing is Pete, having been an assistant coach
Speaker 2: for the great forty nine er teams, been with the
Speaker 2: Jets and then took over Bill Parcells squad. He understood
Speaker 2: what elite players looked like at every position, Like he
Speaker 2: valued Reggie Bush just like he did Brian Cushing, or
Speaker 2: a great defensive lineman or a great offensive lineman. They
Speaker 2: were good at every position because he emphasized it right.
Speaker 2: Look at Saban, how he's adapted. And that's my one
Speaker 2: question with Lincoln. I know he's gonna be able to
Speaker 2: find quarterbacks and wide receivers and running backs. Does he
Speaker 2: truly understand how to find Ray mal Luga a linebacker
Speaker 2: or an elite You know, Minka Fitzpatrick at safety because
Speaker 2: he's never been around it at Oklahoma and his mentor
Speaker 2: in college football, and I think you are who your
Speaker 2: mentors are when you're young. As a football coach, it
Speaker 2: kind of shapes your offensive philosophy. Like if you watch
Speaker 2: Kellen Moore, he kind of likes tricky shit. Well he
Speaker 2: comes from Chris Peterson who loved that stuff, and it
Speaker 2: gets ingrained in you as a coach. It doesn't mean
Speaker 2: you can't adapt. But Andy Reid played at BYU in
Speaker 2: the early eighties when they were the only college team
Speaker 2: throwing it forever. He's been throwing it for thirty plus years.
Speaker 2: And you watch Lincoln offense, offense, offense, offense, and when
Speaker 2: that goes the defense, and you know better than me,
Speaker 2: he clearly really likes the defensive coordinator as a friend.
Speaker 2: Now they're presses like who's forcing him to fire? You know,
Speaker 2: I know from a football standpoint, he should, But are
Speaker 2: we one hundred percent sure like he's gonna do that?
Speaker 2: Because I think he needs help in the personnel department
Speaker 2: on what to look for, and because I would go
Speaker 2: if I was him, I would go to like, you know,
Speaker 2: Bama Georgia, a program like that and hire their GM.
Speaker 2: What do you need, what's your salary? Five hundred grand? There,
Speaker 2: We'll give you a nine hundred grand to come here
Speaker 2: and help us build the defense the SEC way because
Speaker 2: I heard this, Well, there's not as many great defensive
Speaker 2: prospects in LA. Who gets a shit a twenty twenty three?
Speaker 2: Go buy the best guys in the South or Texas, right,
Speaker 2: he has no pete used to do that well before NIL,
Speaker 2: their players were coming from Oh, Jersey, here, Pa, here,
Speaker 2: Louisiana here, that there is no excuse to USC. I
Speaker 2: honestly and listen to Utah. What Kyle Whittingham has done
Speaker 2: is freaking awesome. But you know those people at USC
Speaker 2: do not view Utah's equals. Last night was one thing
Speaker 2: last year. Okay, we get them at home this year.
Speaker 2: To lose like that, that is that's worse than Notre
Speaker 2: Dame lost.
Speaker 1: Hey, well, listen, listen. Utah had a backup quarterback throw
Speaker 1: for how many yards? Utah was great on third down?
Speaker 2: Big he's their third string colin because their backup got
Speaker 2: hurt in a scrimmage in he's their third string quarterback.
Speaker 1: Well, hey, Arizona's backup quarterback gave USC fits three weeks ago.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's one more. I watched a lot of
Speaker 2: the UNC game for what it was, just came at
Speaker 2: a time during the day. We're not Drake May, and
Speaker 2: I've been kind of hyping him up. He's a good prospect.
Speaker 2: I think he's like eighty eighty five percent of kind
Speaker 2: of Herbert big athletic good. All right, yes, but he's not.
Speaker 2: And I had a buddy that his assistant GM was like,
Speaker 2: you know, I'm glad we're not in the quarterback kind
Speaker 2: of realm because I think Caleb Thing's gonna get weird.
Speaker 2: His dad plays a big role. There's a lot of
Speaker 2: things that are just gonna be said about just moving forward.
Speaker 2: And then the Drake May, he's gonna go really high.
Speaker 2: But he, by no means it's not just some guarantee
Speaker 2: savior franchise. And that's how it turns out every time.
Speaker 2: Because you know, I'm sure, like Caleb, are they one
Speaker 2: more loss away? Like would he play out the string
Speaker 2: or I just looked at their schedule obviously I think
Speaker 2: they play Cal this week. But then they go Oregon, Washington, Ucla.
Speaker 2: They easily could lose all three of those games U
Speaker 2: S C LA. I didn't realize. I mean their defense,
Speaker 2: Anthony lin Slens, their defensive coordinator. They're really good on defense.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, USC could lose. I think they will lose
Speaker 1: to Oregon. He'll be Cal, they'll beat Cal. I think
Speaker 1: they'll lose to Washington. I think they'll beat Ucla. But
Speaker 1: this is the Lincoln Riley. It's a bad time for
Speaker 1: the Pac twelve to be the best it's ever been.
Speaker 1: It's not a good year for Lincoln to scrub and
Speaker 1: by the way, bone Oregon Pro quarterback, Washington Pro quarterback,
Speaker 1: Ucla the five I don't think they've ever had a
Speaker 1: five star quarterback at a high school. It's the first
Speaker 1: five star guy.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And so for the third string quarterback for Utah to
Speaker 1: just march up and down the field, it's like this
Speaker 1: is this.
Speaker 2: He hadn't thrown touchdowns. He was averaging like five yard
Speaker 2: ards a past attempt the last couple of weeks. He
Speaker 2: looked like Joe Montana out there moving around last night, making.
Speaker 1: For both both teams. Yesterday I think averaged six point
Speaker 1: nine yards of play. That's fine if you have Caleb,
Speaker 1: a third string quarterback can't average six point nine yards
Speaker 1: of play, So it is. It is big problems. All right,
Speaker 1: we're gonna go watch Sunday Night football.
Speaker 2: What a weekend.
Speaker 1: Good see anybody three and out? John middlecl former NFL scout.
Speaker 1: So much fun and uh, they're talking to you
Speaker 2: The volume