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That Linda has given him 29 00:01:24,560 --> 00:01:26,080 Speaker 1: a day off. He doesn't get many of those, but 30 00:01:26,080 --> 00:01:28,160 Speaker 1: we're glad that he's taking a day off going to 31 00:01:28,200 --> 00:01:31,080 Speaker 1: a wedding or whatever he's doing. But we're here and 32 00:01:31,080 --> 00:01:32,679 Speaker 1: we're gonna be taking your calls. And by the way, 33 00:01:32,920 --> 00:01:34,720 Speaker 1: you need to know who we are because you know 34 00:01:34,720 --> 00:01:38,119 Speaker 1: who rape Rudy Giuliani is because he's America's mayor. I'm 35 00:01:38,160 --> 00:01:41,440 Speaker 1: just a lawyer. I'm Jay Seculo. I'm just a count lawyer. 36 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:46,040 Speaker 1: The country held by the accent I'm a real lawyer. Uh. 37 00:01:46,240 --> 00:01:48,240 Speaker 1: I am J. Seculo, chief council of the American Center 38 00:01:48,280 --> 00:01:50,600 Speaker 1: for Lawn Justice and one of the council to the 39 00:01:50,640 --> 00:01:53,840 Speaker 1: President and Rudy Giuliani of course, America's mayor, former U. S. 40 00:01:53,920 --> 00:01:59,000 Speaker 1: Attorney Department of Justice official, and for purposes of right now, 41 00:01:59,080 --> 00:02:02,960 Speaker 1: my colleague and co counsel in a case involving uh 42 00:02:03,480 --> 00:02:06,440 Speaker 1: Russia inquiry that we're engaged in. You may have read 43 00:02:06,480 --> 00:02:09,280 Speaker 1: something about it. We're also gonna be taking your calls, 44 00:02:09,880 --> 00:02:12,480 Speaker 1: and I'm gonna give the number correctly because Linda said, 45 00:02:12,480 --> 00:02:15,720 Speaker 1: get the number correctly. One eight nine one seven three 46 00:02:15,800 --> 00:02:19,079 Speaker 1: to six or eight hundred nine four one sewn. That's 47 00:02:19,080 --> 00:02:22,680 Speaker 1: because I gave the number to my radio broadcast before. 48 00:02:22,720 --> 00:02:24,320 Speaker 1: I've done that before on this broadcast, and I'm not 49 00:02:24,320 --> 00:02:27,040 Speaker 1: gonna do it again. So anyways, one eight hundred nine 50 00:02:27,080 --> 00:02:29,040 Speaker 1: four one seven three to six or eight hundred nine 51 00:02:29,240 --> 00:02:31,480 Speaker 1: one sean. You could ask Giuliani or me, either one 52 00:02:31,520 --> 00:02:33,320 Speaker 1: of us or both of us at the same time. 53 00:02:33,760 --> 00:02:36,440 Speaker 1: Questions of the day. We've got a lot to talk about. Obviously, 54 00:02:36,520 --> 00:02:37,720 Speaker 1: a lot of you are gonna want to talk to 55 00:02:37,760 --> 00:02:40,760 Speaker 1: us about what is happening with regard to the Russia 56 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:44,440 Speaker 1: probe we are also talking about and this is UH important. 57 00:02:44,720 --> 00:02:47,840 Speaker 1: UH that's an important issue also. But UH, Realdy and 58 00:02:47,880 --> 00:02:50,520 Speaker 1: I have both been working for over a year trying 59 00:02:50,560 --> 00:02:54,240 Speaker 1: to secure the release of an American pastor UH named 60 00:02:54,240 --> 00:02:58,040 Speaker 1: Andrew Brunson who's was in jail for nineteen months in Turkey. 61 00:02:58,080 --> 00:03:00,320 Speaker 1: He's now at a house arrest. We're close to getting 62 00:03:00,720 --> 00:03:03,480 Speaker 1: a resolution in that case. The President, Rudy, you and 63 00:03:03,520 --> 00:03:05,720 Speaker 1: I both know it's been working NonStop on this. We've 64 00:03:05,720 --> 00:03:07,760 Speaker 1: been and we're working on this for a long time. 65 00:03:07,760 --> 00:03:09,320 Speaker 1: But we're getting close. I mean, we're getting there. But 66 00:03:09,320 --> 00:03:12,320 Speaker 1: Turkey is taking a real hit financially right now, especially today, 67 00:03:12,440 --> 00:03:15,239 Speaker 1: Turkey is taking a real hit financially. Their their economy 68 00:03:15,320 --> 00:03:17,679 Speaker 1: is in trouble. It reminds me to some extent of 69 00:03:17,720 --> 00:03:19,960 Speaker 1: what's happening in Iran with the sanctions that have been 70 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:22,720 Speaker 1: placed there that just sort of just doubles down on 71 00:03:22,720 --> 00:03:25,600 Speaker 1: their economic problems to start with. And I think people 72 00:03:25,600 --> 00:03:29,720 Speaker 1: are starting to realize what happens when America imposes sanctions 73 00:03:29,840 --> 00:03:31,680 Speaker 1: all of a sudden. Other countries don't want to trade 74 00:03:31,680 --> 00:03:33,920 Speaker 1: with you because they need the American banks that rely 75 00:03:33,960 --> 00:03:37,000 Speaker 1: on the American banks. America could then impose sanctions on 76 00:03:37,080 --> 00:03:40,280 Speaker 1: them for doing it. And I think it's a this 77 00:03:40,360 --> 00:03:43,320 Speaker 1: idea that we need all these other countries to agree 78 00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:46,160 Speaker 1: with us on sanctions. We drive, we drive the world economy. Well, 79 00:03:46,160 --> 00:03:48,080 Speaker 1: I know it Underran on the Iran issue. You've been 80 00:03:48,160 --> 00:03:50,600 Speaker 1: very involved, and of course I had a We had 81 00:03:50,840 --> 00:03:54,480 Speaker 1: another American that was held hostage by the Iranians, got 82 00:03:54,480 --> 00:03:57,520 Speaker 1: out a couple of years back, uh, and again sanctioned. 83 00:03:57,560 --> 00:04:01,800 Speaker 1: The president is imposed UH. Finally, you know, they've been 84 00:04:01,640 --> 00:04:05,480 Speaker 1: for a couple of administrations. They've been saying crippling SA sanctions, 85 00:04:05,480 --> 00:04:08,200 Speaker 1: but now they actually did it. You know, what kind 86 00:04:08,240 --> 00:04:09,680 Speaker 1: of impact do you think is gonna have An Iran 87 00:04:10,080 --> 00:04:13,280 Speaker 1: have a tremendous impact without the sanctions, based on just 88 00:04:13,360 --> 00:04:18,359 Speaker 1: their own internal economic problems. They've had UH demonstrations and 89 00:04:18,400 --> 00:04:22,440 Speaker 1: protests in over a hundred forty two cities starting in January. 90 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:27,440 Speaker 1: They're very very well orchestrated. People have been arrested and killed, 91 00:04:27,720 --> 00:04:31,240 Speaker 1: but they still go on. They're getting worse, the economic 92 00:04:31,279 --> 00:04:34,600 Speaker 1: problems get worse. There has a chance, I don't want 93 00:04:34,640 --> 00:04:36,160 Speaker 1: to overstate it, but there has a chance that this 94 00:04:36,440 --> 00:04:38,640 Speaker 1: regime could be in trouble. I think that's right. And 95 00:04:38,680 --> 00:04:41,040 Speaker 1: in Turkey right now, with their following economy, I think 96 00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:42,760 Speaker 1: they've got to make some tough decisions, and one of 97 00:04:42,800 --> 00:04:45,400 Speaker 1: them is not so tough. Let the Americans, not just 98 00:04:45,440 --> 00:04:48,920 Speaker 1: this pastor. Let the Americans that you're holding hostage Turkey, 99 00:04:49,320 --> 00:04:52,120 Speaker 1: let them go back to the United States. Not that complicated. 100 00:04:52,160 --> 00:04:54,760 Speaker 1: I understand this is a lot of political issues, and 101 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:56,400 Speaker 1: that's a lot of it, but it's you're looking like 102 00:04:56,440 --> 00:04:59,919 Speaker 1: hostage situations. Having said all of that, there's also some 103 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:02,840 Speaker 1: news on the domestic front you may have been felt 104 00:05:04,080 --> 00:05:06,359 Speaker 1: and that the mayor and I have been involved in, 105 00:05:06,360 --> 00:05:08,400 Speaker 1: and that isn't our representation of the president. And of 106 00:05:08,440 --> 00:05:10,800 Speaker 1: course you heard that. There was a response that we 107 00:05:10,920 --> 00:05:13,159 Speaker 1: put together with our team. We've got a great team 108 00:05:13,160 --> 00:05:17,919 Speaker 1: of lawyers involving a request from the Special Counsel to 109 00:05:17,960 --> 00:05:20,800 Speaker 1: interview the President of the United States. I'm sure you're 110 00:05:20,839 --> 00:05:23,640 Speaker 1: gonna have some calls and comments about that. We have 111 00:05:23,800 --> 00:05:25,800 Speaker 1: had some comments about that. To say the least, that 112 00:05:25,920 --> 00:05:27,560 Speaker 1: we've been talking about that. We're not going to tell 113 00:05:27,640 --> 00:05:31,000 Speaker 1: you what we have said, even though really wanted to 114 00:05:31,080 --> 00:05:35,039 Speaker 1: the other day a reporter at me, he did say 115 00:05:35,080 --> 00:05:38,080 Speaker 1: that actually that reporter. He said to this particular reporter, 116 00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:40,599 Speaker 1: I I wouldn't mind saying something, but Jay would be 117 00:05:40,600 --> 00:05:43,960 Speaker 1: really angry if I did. But we will tell you this. Look, 118 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:46,400 Speaker 1: this is a process that you're we're going through right now, 119 00:05:46,600 --> 00:05:48,680 Speaker 1: and uh, there's a lot that go in that goes 120 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:51,159 Speaker 1: into it. I think the Constitution is clear that there's 121 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:54,080 Speaker 1: not a right to interview the president under Article two. 122 00:05:54,160 --> 00:05:56,840 Speaker 1: I think the Supreme Court would come to that conclusion. 123 00:05:57,080 --> 00:05:59,240 Speaker 1: I think it also reigns as serious issues not just 124 00:05:59,279 --> 00:06:02,640 Speaker 1: for this president, but for future presidencies and especially Rudy. 125 00:06:02,680 --> 00:06:05,520 Speaker 1: With the nature and scope of the cooperation that this 126 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:10,040 Speaker 1: White House has given to the investigators, it's it's unprecedented, 127 00:06:10,200 --> 00:06:12,479 Speaker 1: especially in light of the irregularities. Will go through the 128 00:06:12,640 --> 00:06:16,560 Speaker 1: irregularities in a minute, but but this has been unprecedented cooperation. 129 00:06:16,720 --> 00:06:19,800 Speaker 1: It has it's been unprecedented cooperation. So the end what 130 00:06:19,960 --> 00:06:24,600 Speaker 1: that yields is, under any set of circumstances, the court 131 00:06:24,680 --> 00:06:26,880 Speaker 1: is going to require they make a showing for why 132 00:06:26,920 --> 00:06:30,920 Speaker 1: they need the information. Well, they already have it. They 133 00:06:30,960 --> 00:06:34,000 Speaker 1: already have all the information plus more. They would have 134 00:06:34,040 --> 00:06:38,600 Speaker 1: no ability to show uh need for this information. For example, 135 00:06:38,640 --> 00:06:42,400 Speaker 1: they have his explanations. He's given them on every television, 136 00:06:42,480 --> 00:06:46,400 Speaker 1: on radio, on tweets, on Remember they were arguing one 137 00:06:46,400 --> 00:06:49,800 Speaker 1: of the reports was obstruction by tweet. Yeah, I mean 138 00:06:50,120 --> 00:06:53,040 Speaker 1: I didn't think about that for a moment. Obstruction by tweet, 139 00:06:53,080 --> 00:06:55,600 Speaker 1: I mean, how can okay? So well, I'm gonna give 140 00:06:55,600 --> 00:06:58,559 Speaker 1: you a great example from Greg Jared's book. Greg Jared 141 00:06:58,600 --> 00:07:04,080 Speaker 1: points out that Barack Obama during the sixteen election pronounced 142 00:07:04,120 --> 00:07:07,720 Speaker 1: Hillary Clinton innocent, right, He said, he said, she may 143 00:07:07,760 --> 00:07:12,120 Speaker 1: have been careless, but she didn't affect national security. Well, 144 00:07:12,440 --> 00:07:16,120 Speaker 1: several weeks later, that's exactly what Comy wrote. She may 145 00:07:16,120 --> 00:07:19,640 Speaker 1: have been careless, but she didn't affect national security. So 146 00:07:19,880 --> 00:07:24,040 Speaker 1: you could say he obstructed that investigation, except for the 147 00:07:24,080 --> 00:07:27,280 Speaker 1: fact that he was doing the same thing that our 148 00:07:27,280 --> 00:07:30,240 Speaker 1: president does accept on different set of circumstances. He was 149 00:07:30,280 --> 00:07:32,960 Speaker 1: giving his opinion, which is protected by the way by 150 00:07:32,960 --> 00:07:35,280 Speaker 1: the Person Amendment to the United States Constitution, protected by 151 00:07:35,320 --> 00:07:38,080 Speaker 1: his authorities under Article two of the United States Constitution. 152 00:07:38,120 --> 00:07:40,240 Speaker 1: After all, he's the president of the United States, and 153 00:07:40,240 --> 00:07:42,040 Speaker 1: the President of the United States gets to not only 154 00:07:42,080 --> 00:07:44,400 Speaker 1: a pine, but to take action. And the idea that 155 00:07:44,440 --> 00:07:47,000 Speaker 1: you would question the president about the motives of why 156 00:07:47,040 --> 00:07:52,480 Speaker 1: he terminated a A subordinate raises, as I said, really serious, 157 00:07:52,920 --> 00:07:56,400 Speaker 1: uh constitutional issues. Having said that, we have been and 158 00:07:56,440 --> 00:07:59,760 Speaker 1: continue to maintain a very cooperative attitude. But I will 159 00:07:59,760 --> 00:08:03,040 Speaker 1: tell you about that cooperation. We draw lines and uh 160 00:08:03,320 --> 00:08:06,200 Speaker 1: we rejected the proposal that came out from the Special Counsel. 161 00:08:06,240 --> 00:08:09,040 Speaker 1: In this last round, we came back with another proposal. 162 00:08:09,040 --> 00:08:11,400 Speaker 1: We'll see what happens on that. But you can be cooperative, 163 00:08:11,400 --> 00:08:14,280 Speaker 1: you could be professional without you don't have to be disagreeable. 164 00:08:14,280 --> 00:08:16,360 Speaker 1: But if you look at the scope and nature of 165 00:08:16,400 --> 00:08:19,760 Speaker 1: this inquiry, the way it started, the corruption at the outset, 166 00:08:20,440 --> 00:08:22,840 Speaker 1: we've joined Later in the broadcast, we've got you know, 167 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:25,400 Speaker 1: John Solomon coming up a great story in the Hill 168 00:08:25,440 --> 00:08:28,480 Speaker 1: about Bruce Or the number four. The Justice Department is 169 00:08:28,520 --> 00:08:32,840 Speaker 1: in conversations with Chris Steele, who's working with Fusion GPS 170 00:08:32,880 --> 00:08:35,000 Speaker 1: to put together this dossier, and the president just happens 171 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:37,199 Speaker 1: to be Nelly Or. Bruce Or's wife is also working 172 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:40,440 Speaker 1: for Fusion GPS and just happens to be assigned Mayor 173 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:45,000 Speaker 1: to to working with Christopher Steele on the dossier, which 174 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:48,080 Speaker 1: then James Coby takes and reviews with the then president 175 00:08:48,080 --> 00:08:53,800 Speaker 1: elect in Trump Tower in January. You got it? Whatever 176 00:08:53,840 --> 00:08:56,640 Speaker 1: that means. By the way, uh, you know that that's 177 00:08:56,640 --> 00:08:59,480 Speaker 1: another story the crime of collusion, which, of course, as 178 00:08:59,520 --> 00:09:01,840 Speaker 1: I said, the rural regulation and law on that when 179 00:09:01,880 --> 00:09:04,160 Speaker 1: I'm still trying to figure out I think they're still 180 00:09:04,160 --> 00:09:06,120 Speaker 1: trying to figure that out as well. But having said 181 00:09:06,120 --> 00:09:08,199 Speaker 1: all of that, you you look at the irregularities and 182 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:11,400 Speaker 1: this investigation and the way it's gone on we have. 183 00:09:11,760 --> 00:09:14,040 Speaker 1: How about the fact that the special Council is appointed 184 00:09:14,080 --> 00:09:17,520 Speaker 1: because James Comey decides to leak a memo of a 185 00:09:17,600 --> 00:09:20,719 Speaker 1: conversation he had with the President of the United States purportedly, 186 00:09:21,120 --> 00:09:23,680 Speaker 1: and he leaks this memo to get a special counsel 187 00:09:23,720 --> 00:09:25,320 Speaker 1: and he says that and it's moren't testimony. Why did 188 00:09:25,360 --> 00:09:27,360 Speaker 1: he think he why did he think it would yield 189 00:09:28,640 --> 00:09:31,200 Speaker 1: a special counsel and independent council? I mean, that's a 190 00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:34,439 Speaker 1: great question. Why would why would the Justice Department certainly 191 00:09:34,559 --> 00:09:39,720 Speaker 1: wasn't conflicted from you can argue whether whether Sessions was, 192 00:09:40,120 --> 00:09:43,679 Speaker 1: but the Justice Department wasn't conflicted. How did he know 193 00:09:44,760 --> 00:09:47,520 Speaker 1: that Rosenstein would use that as the basis for an 194 00:09:47,520 --> 00:09:50,320 Speaker 1: independent council? Did they have a conversation about it? Did 195 00:09:50,400 --> 00:09:55,199 Speaker 1: they talk about it? Um, I don't know. My suspicious 196 00:09:55,280 --> 00:09:58,280 Speaker 1: nature tells me he must have known something that hasn't 197 00:09:58,280 --> 00:10:00,920 Speaker 1: been revealed yet. Well, look, we're getting in information every 198 00:10:00,920 --> 00:10:02,840 Speaker 1: single day. I mean, there's no information coming forward on this. 199 00:10:02,880 --> 00:10:05,240 Speaker 1: I mean literally every single day. I mean, it's not 200 00:10:05,640 --> 00:10:07,880 Speaker 1: it seems like there's a new aspect of this that 201 00:10:08,440 --> 00:10:11,079 Speaker 1: you you can't even believe, and then then it happens. 202 00:10:11,120 --> 00:10:12,640 Speaker 1: I mean, it doesn't even get into the issues of 203 00:10:12,679 --> 00:10:14,640 Speaker 1: the Fieser warr and what that was based upon. And 204 00:10:14,960 --> 00:10:16,640 Speaker 1: as I said, how would you like to be that judge? 205 00:10:16,840 --> 00:10:18,960 Speaker 1: I mean in the Fiser case talk about, you know, 206 00:10:19,160 --> 00:10:23,240 Speaker 1: information that isn't correct purportedly, and that's what we're hearing 207 00:10:23,240 --> 00:10:25,760 Speaker 1: from Congress, of course. And then you and I take 208 00:10:25,800 --> 00:10:27,520 Speaker 1: it another step on this, and I think this is 209 00:10:27,559 --> 00:10:30,199 Speaker 1: important for everybody to understand, is we have a job 210 00:10:30,280 --> 00:10:34,160 Speaker 1: to do, which is to give our client the appropriate advice. 211 00:10:34,240 --> 00:10:36,360 Speaker 1: What do we think he should do in light of 212 00:10:36,520 --> 00:10:39,160 Speaker 1: all of the issues and in light of the Constitution. 213 00:10:39,440 --> 00:10:41,920 Speaker 1: And that is a that is a highest honor that 214 00:10:41,960 --> 00:10:45,439 Speaker 1: any lawyer could have representing a president and defending the Constitution. 215 00:10:45,480 --> 00:10:48,320 Speaker 1: And that's why we have to go through a deliberative process. Yeah, 216 00:10:48,320 --> 00:10:50,800 Speaker 1: we can't just shoot from the hip we've got we 217 00:10:50,880 --> 00:10:52,880 Speaker 1: have to be able to have thought it out. We 218 00:10:52,880 --> 00:10:54,960 Speaker 1: have to also be able to answer his questions. And 219 00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:57,920 Speaker 1: you know, he takes us very seriously. He does have 220 00:10:57,960 --> 00:11:01,040 Speaker 1: a desire to doesn't have a desire to that he's innocent, 221 00:11:01,040 --> 00:11:03,440 Speaker 1: which he is. But he also understands his role as 222 00:11:03,480 --> 00:11:07,040 Speaker 1: president and that he just can't throw aside prerogatives of 223 00:11:07,080 --> 00:11:09,640 Speaker 1: the presidency. Yeah, and this also impacts I mean, let's 224 00:11:09,640 --> 00:11:12,680 Speaker 1: be realistic here, this will impact not just this president. 225 00:11:12,880 --> 00:11:16,800 Speaker 1: The decision we recommend to the president not only impacts 226 00:11:16,840 --> 00:11:22,960 Speaker 1: this president, but it becomes a precedent then for other presidencies. Interesting, Lewis, 227 00:11:22,960 --> 00:11:25,440 Speaker 1: we're doing the analysis and you look at how how 228 00:11:25,440 --> 00:11:29,040 Speaker 1: witnesses have cooperated in this case unprecedented. You look at 229 00:11:29,040 --> 00:11:32,120 Speaker 1: information that's gone over to the Special Council, unprecedented, and 230 00:11:32,160 --> 00:11:33,880 Speaker 1: then you look at what had presidents done, I mean 231 00:11:33,920 --> 00:11:38,440 Speaker 1: sometimes have been written questions. That's still an interview. Uh, 232 00:11:38,679 --> 00:11:41,160 Speaker 1: so that maybe one way this can go. Sometimes it's 233 00:11:41,160 --> 00:11:44,640 Speaker 1: combinations thereof we'll see. I mean, you know, as we're 234 00:11:44,679 --> 00:11:47,440 Speaker 1: not going to and I think this is something we 235 00:11:47,480 --> 00:11:49,600 Speaker 1: need to say. We're not going to disclose what we 236 00:11:49,679 --> 00:11:52,240 Speaker 1: have come back to the Special Council with. I don't 237 00:11:52,240 --> 00:11:53,920 Speaker 1: think we've heard the end of this. There's a lot 238 00:11:53,960 --> 00:11:57,320 Speaker 1: of speculation out there, but we're gonna make the right 239 00:11:57,360 --> 00:12:00,520 Speaker 1: advice to our client. There will be no perjury trip. 240 00:12:00,520 --> 00:12:02,400 Speaker 1: I've said that, You've said down on air, there's no 241 00:12:02,440 --> 00:12:05,280 Speaker 1: perjury trap here. We're not because we're not gonna allow it. No, no, no, 242 00:12:05,520 --> 00:12:09,120 Speaker 1: I mean that's so obviously one of the things they're 243 00:12:09,160 --> 00:12:13,760 Speaker 1: trying to do that. Um, it's it's not easy, but 244 00:12:13,840 --> 00:12:16,120 Speaker 1: we can we can certainly protect against that. And I 245 00:12:16,160 --> 00:12:18,200 Speaker 1: think that's one of the things that I don't want 246 00:12:18,200 --> 00:12:19,640 Speaker 1: I don't want to talk about the matters for trial, 247 00:12:20,960 --> 00:12:23,400 Speaker 1: but I mean I will say this. You know we 248 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:25,560 Speaker 1: can do it after say a perjury trap and in 249 00:12:25,600 --> 00:12:27,360 Speaker 1: other words, here you've got you've got one witness that 250 00:12:27,400 --> 00:12:29,600 Speaker 1: says this is what happened, and then you've got another 251 00:12:29,640 --> 00:12:31,760 Speaker 1: witnesses that recalls, well, no, that's not how I recall 252 00:12:31,800 --> 00:12:33,920 Speaker 1: it. It It happened this way, and it's does then someone 253 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:36,079 Speaker 1: right up report and say, well we believe this one, 254 00:12:36,080 --> 00:12:38,280 Speaker 1: we don't believe that one. Thus it's perjury. So this 255 00:12:38,360 --> 00:12:40,719 Speaker 1: is the problem with with just walking anyone in I mean, 256 00:12:40,720 --> 00:12:44,560 Speaker 1: in any case and with no underlying crime. I mean again, 257 00:12:44,760 --> 00:12:49,720 Speaker 1: if Flynn is the example, uh, no crime. If it 258 00:12:49,800 --> 00:12:53,120 Speaker 1: had been said President says, go easy on him, which 259 00:12:53,120 --> 00:12:55,480 Speaker 1: the President says he didn't say. He said, he didn't 260 00:12:55,480 --> 00:13:00,440 Speaker 1: say stop it, don't do it. Uh So no crime. However, 261 00:13:00,520 --> 00:13:03,520 Speaker 1: it didn't take place, according to the President. According to Comey, 262 00:13:03,600 --> 00:13:06,560 Speaker 1: it did. Now worse, if it did, it wouldn't have mattered. 263 00:13:06,679 --> 00:13:09,319 Speaker 1: But then you but you're right. If there's two different 264 00:13:09,360 --> 00:13:11,679 Speaker 1: recollections of a meeting, now do you set set a 265 00:13:11,760 --> 00:13:15,240 Speaker 1: perjury situate? Now we have plenty we have plenty of it 266 00:13:15,200 --> 00:13:18,120 Speaker 1: it happen, We got plenty of information to impeach him with, 267 00:13:18,480 --> 00:13:21,160 Speaker 1: including the fact that he testified on DeRos. By the way, 268 00:13:21,160 --> 00:13:24,719 Speaker 1: when we say impeach him with, we mean impeach the 269 00:13:25,679 --> 00:13:28,400 Speaker 1: impeach the Willy James call me there. I just want 270 00:13:28,400 --> 00:13:30,240 Speaker 1: to I don't want anybody to clip that two seconds. 271 00:13:30,240 --> 00:13:32,040 Speaker 1: You know, I know it's hard to believe that people 272 00:13:32,040 --> 00:13:34,800 Speaker 1: do that. You just NM would never do that, None 273 00:13:34,840 --> 00:13:37,520 Speaker 1: of them would. Nobody will clip just a sentence and 274 00:13:37,520 --> 00:13:40,000 Speaker 1: then remove the other thing. But having said that, no, 275 00:13:40,080 --> 00:13:41,720 Speaker 1: you're right, I mean that's part of the process that 276 00:13:41,760 --> 00:13:43,880 Speaker 1: we're gonna get into. All right, So we're gonna take 277 00:13:43,960 --> 00:13:45,640 Speaker 1: we're having a good time. By the way, you can 278 00:13:45,679 --> 00:13:50,240 Speaker 1: follow Ready Giuliani on Twitter at what's your Twitter handle? 279 00:13:51,160 --> 00:13:53,880 Speaker 1: At Rudy Giuliani. Yeah, and you could. That's not so 280 00:13:53,920 --> 00:13:56,760 Speaker 1: hard and minds at Jay Seculo. So are we sure 281 00:13:56,800 --> 00:13:59,200 Speaker 1: about that? Or do I need to check this out? Right? 282 00:13:59,240 --> 00:14:00,839 Speaker 1: Will you check it out? Gonna check it out while 283 00:14:00,880 --> 00:14:03,560 Speaker 1: I get ready to go to a break. It's at 284 00:14:03,600 --> 00:14:05,240 Speaker 1: J Secular that I could tell you for sure. You 285 00:14:05,240 --> 00:14:07,200 Speaker 1: could also follow our work at the American Center for 286 00:14:07,240 --> 00:14:10,040 Speaker 1: Law and Justice, said a c l J dot Org. 287 00:14:10,679 --> 00:14:12,840 Speaker 1: When we come back from the break, your calls in 288 00:14:12,920 --> 00:14:17,480 Speaker 1: comment there, He's got it right at Rudy Giuliani. Hey, 289 00:14:17,520 --> 00:14:19,720 Speaker 1: welcome back to the John Hannity Show. J Seculo here 290 00:14:19,760 --> 00:14:25,240 Speaker 1: with Mayor Rudy Giuliani. Giuliani and Seculo. Let's say that. 291 00:14:25,520 --> 00:14:27,880 Speaker 1: I'll just say that, and we're taking your calls. We're 292 00:14:27,920 --> 00:14:29,240 Speaker 1: gonna go to a call and I need to say 293 00:14:29,240 --> 00:14:32,440 Speaker 1: something though. I had the privilege today to go to 294 00:14:33,440 --> 00:14:36,000 Speaker 1: the Statue of Liberty and go by Ellis Island with 295 00:14:36,040 --> 00:14:41,120 Speaker 1: my grandchildren, and I am the grandson of a Russian 296 00:14:41,120 --> 00:14:42,960 Speaker 1: immigrant to the United States. My grandfather was a group 297 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:45,440 Speaker 1: peddler in Brooklyn, New York, and his grandson me. I 298 00:14:45,440 --> 00:14:47,040 Speaker 1: get to argue cases at the Supreme Court in the 299 00:14:47,080 --> 00:14:50,000 Speaker 1: United States and represent a president. And I had my 300 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:52,040 Speaker 1: my my grandson was with me, and I had three 301 00:14:52,080 --> 00:14:54,320 Speaker 1: of my grandchildren, and my I got to tell my grandson, 302 00:14:54,360 --> 00:14:56,960 Speaker 1: I said, now I'm the Paul Paul right now. So 303 00:14:57,080 --> 00:15:00,120 Speaker 1: I said, you know, my Papa, you're great, great. All 304 00:15:00,200 --> 00:15:03,240 Speaker 1: Paul came right through that building at Ellis Island in 305 00:15:03,800 --> 00:15:05,760 Speaker 1: fourteen to come to the greatest country in the world, 306 00:15:05,960 --> 00:15:08,600 Speaker 1: the United States of American, and his eyes lit up. 307 00:15:09,360 --> 00:15:11,800 Speaker 1: I'm just saying, it is a great country. And you 308 00:15:11,840 --> 00:15:14,080 Speaker 1: think about those things, and I know you're so. I 309 00:15:14,120 --> 00:15:17,560 Speaker 1: have a very very good friend, Elliott, who came to 310 00:15:17,600 --> 00:15:21,280 Speaker 1: America when he was four or five, escaping the Holocaust, 311 00:15:22,080 --> 00:15:25,680 Speaker 1: and he will tell you he has amnesia. Uh, of course, 312 00:15:25,680 --> 00:15:28,280 Speaker 1: he's only three or four years old about anything before 313 00:15:28,280 --> 00:15:31,360 Speaker 1: the following thing. As he's coming through the Verrazano Narrows, 314 00:15:31,720 --> 00:15:34,080 Speaker 1: the first thing he remembers his seeing a statue of liberty. 315 00:15:34,280 --> 00:15:37,240 Speaker 1: And when he tells you that story, Mariah, right, we 316 00:15:37,680 --> 00:15:41,840 Speaker 1: he uh, he started crying. Yeah, well it's still time today. 317 00:15:41,880 --> 00:15:44,280 Speaker 1: I mean it's sixties, seventy years later, and it started 318 00:15:44,280 --> 00:15:45,480 Speaker 1: crying to I mean, I think about that. When I 319 00:15:45,520 --> 00:15:47,080 Speaker 1: argue cases at the Spreme Court, they start him the 320 00:15:47,120 --> 00:15:49,080 Speaker 1: same way, God Save the United States. The Honorable Court. 321 00:15:49,080 --> 00:15:51,320 Speaker 1: They call a case number, They call a case number, 322 00:15:51,320 --> 00:15:54,040 Speaker 1: and then they say, Mr Secular will now hear from you. 323 00:15:54,280 --> 00:15:56,280 Speaker 1: I make a Mr. Secular, the grandson of the Russian 324 00:15:56,600 --> 00:15:58,320 Speaker 1: You ever haven't dreamed that you forget what to say 325 00:15:58,400 --> 00:16:00,680 Speaker 1: when you get up? I don't and even get you know, 326 00:16:00,720 --> 00:16:02,840 Speaker 1: I don't recall every in my case is actually opening 327 00:16:02,880 --> 00:16:05,000 Speaker 1: up the everybody takes up a notebook. I don't recall 328 00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:07,560 Speaker 1: ever returning to the first page. It just so quick. 329 00:16:08,560 --> 00:16:11,240 Speaker 1: So we're we're co hosting for Sean Hannity. I'm at 330 00:16:11,360 --> 00:16:14,680 Speaker 1: j Seculo on Twitter and Rudy is at Rudy Giuliani 331 00:16:14,720 --> 00:16:16,280 Speaker 1: on Twitter, and you can follow me also on a 332 00:16:16,400 --> 00:16:18,680 Speaker 1: c l J dot org. And we're gonna not take 333 00:16:18,720 --> 00:16:20,240 Speaker 1: a call yet because we're gonna be taking a break 334 00:16:20,240 --> 00:16:22,480 Speaker 1: pretty soon, but we're gonna take calls when we come back, 335 00:16:22,640 --> 00:16:25,560 Speaker 1: So you can call us at eight hundred nine one 336 00:16:25,640 --> 00:16:30,600 Speaker 1: seven three to six. That's eight hundred nine one Sean. 337 00:16:31,520 --> 00:16:34,320 Speaker 1: Rudy Giuliani, the Mayor of New York, the great Mayor 338 00:16:34,400 --> 00:16:38,000 Speaker 1: of New York, America's mayor, and me just a lawyer 339 00:16:38,440 --> 00:16:40,320 Speaker 1: happens to be. Both of us represent the press of 340 00:16:40,320 --> 00:16:42,160 Speaker 1: the United States. We got a lot to talk about. 341 00:16:42,200 --> 00:16:44,160 Speaker 1: We're looking forward to talking with you. But we'll tell 342 00:16:44,200 --> 00:16:46,240 Speaker 1: you this when I talk about that thing with my 343 00:16:46,280 --> 00:16:50,280 Speaker 1: grandson boy, all those every time. All right, we'll be 344 00:16:50,280 --> 00:17:16,520 Speaker 1: back with your calls in just a moment. You won't 345 00:17:16,600 --> 00:17:20,880 Speaker 1: hear the mainstream press talking about this stuff. Sean Hannity 346 00:17:21,119 --> 00:17:24,560 Speaker 1: is on the radio. Hey, welcome back to The John 347 00:17:24,600 --> 00:17:28,400 Speaker 1: Hannity Show. Ja Seculo and Rudy Giuliani guest co hosting 348 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:31,199 Speaker 1: for Sean Hannity. We're also taking your phone calls at 349 00:17:32,359 --> 00:17:36,080 Speaker 1: seven three to six. It's one Sean. You can follow 350 00:17:36,119 --> 00:17:40,639 Speaker 1: Rudy Rudy Giuliani at Lien on Twitter at Rudy Giuliani, 351 00:17:40,760 --> 00:17:43,000 Speaker 1: and you could follow me on Twitter at j Seculo 352 00:17:43,200 --> 00:17:45,399 Speaker 1: or at a c l J dot org. We are 353 00:17:45,440 --> 00:17:49,480 Speaker 1: also taking your calls. As I said again, eight hundred six, 354 00:17:49,680 --> 00:17:52,840 Speaker 1: let's go ahead and go to dain't Ohio. Peter is 355 00:17:52,880 --> 00:17:58,280 Speaker 1: on the phone. Hi, Peter, Yeah, Hi, Mr. Second call me, Ja, 356 00:17:59,119 --> 00:18:00,960 Speaker 1: don't call me, you don't call me Mr. But I 357 00:18:01,040 --> 00:18:05,400 Speaker 1: go ahead, Hey, I just don't know. And I'm just 358 00:18:07,119 --> 00:18:11,440 Speaker 1: I just continued on the fact that we know criminal 359 00:18:11,480 --> 00:18:16,960 Speaker 1: activity uh and and speaking in regards to Clinton, we 360 00:18:17,080 --> 00:18:20,399 Speaker 1: have proof for that. And why are we not pursuing that? 361 00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:25,520 Speaker 1: Why is not a g sessions pursuing those criminal acts? 362 00:18:25,920 --> 00:18:27,520 Speaker 1: You got a little rain going on there, Pete, Peter 363 00:18:27,560 --> 00:18:29,800 Speaker 1: sounds like either I'm a drummer. You you're either keeping 364 00:18:29,800 --> 00:18:32,440 Speaker 1: a really steady beat, or you're you got or you 365 00:18:32,520 --> 00:18:35,320 Speaker 1: get right or a click or or your you got 366 00:18:35,400 --> 00:18:37,560 Speaker 1: your wipers on? Just one of the two. I suspect 367 00:18:37,560 --> 00:18:40,000 Speaker 1: that your wipers. But anyways, you ask a good question. 368 00:18:40,040 --> 00:18:43,080 Speaker 1: You ask a good question. So what about So supposedly 369 00:18:43,119 --> 00:18:45,680 Speaker 1: there's an investigation mayor going on by the U. S. 370 00:18:45,720 --> 00:18:48,720 Speaker 1: Attorney's Office and UTAH that was appointed to look at 371 00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:52,959 Speaker 1: all of those issues related to um UH Secretary Clinton. 372 00:18:53,480 --> 00:18:55,760 Speaker 1: That's supposed to be ongoing, and you wouldn't necessarily know 373 00:18:55,840 --> 00:18:58,280 Speaker 1: what's going on in that investing. You did investigations like that, 374 00:18:58,320 --> 00:19:00,720 Speaker 1: so the public wouldn't know as it's going on. Well, 375 00:19:00,720 --> 00:19:03,199 Speaker 1: I don't. I mean that should be the case. But 376 00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:05,960 Speaker 1: the reality is this is such a public thing. If 377 00:19:05,960 --> 00:19:08,439 Speaker 1: this was a very active investigation, we would know it. 378 00:19:08,800 --> 00:19:12,320 Speaker 1: And it's a source of great frustration that none of 379 00:19:12,320 --> 00:19:15,479 Speaker 1: these things are being pursued with the enthusiasm that they 380 00:19:15,480 --> 00:19:19,280 Speaker 1: should be pursued. All the things that that Greg Jarrett 381 00:19:19,320 --> 00:19:22,280 Speaker 1: was talking about before John Solomon, these are things that 382 00:19:22,359 --> 00:19:27,200 Speaker 1: normally a federal prosecutor jumps on and um here here here, 383 00:19:27,240 --> 00:19:29,240 Speaker 1: they've been investigating for a year and a half, two 384 00:19:29,280 --> 00:19:33,440 Speaker 1: years to find a crime to investigate, and they haven't 385 00:19:33,440 --> 00:19:36,480 Speaker 1: found it yet. And here we have a bunch of 386 00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:39,639 Speaker 1: alleged crimes and they're not investigating the row violating the 387 00:19:39,680 --> 00:19:45,199 Speaker 1: Federal Records Act, violating the Privacy Act, obstructing, obstructing justice, paying, 388 00:19:45,600 --> 00:19:50,359 Speaker 1: paying a foreign national to compile a false dossier on 389 00:19:50,359 --> 00:19:53,760 Speaker 1: on on Donald Trump, uh, putting it in as a 390 00:19:53,800 --> 00:19:58,840 Speaker 1: basis for a fiser wire, knowing that that that issued 391 00:19:58,840 --> 00:20:00,760 Speaker 1: those that's because they think first couple of times they 392 00:20:00,800 --> 00:20:02,800 Speaker 1: couldn't get the Fisher warrant, they could get the I 393 00:20:02,800 --> 00:20:05,439 Speaker 1: think the judge should refer the whole thing for criminal prosecution. 394 00:20:05,960 --> 00:20:09,920 Speaker 1: Maybe that fire under them. One of the things I've wondered, 395 00:20:09,960 --> 00:20:11,159 Speaker 1: you know, as you look through all of this, and 396 00:20:11,200 --> 00:20:13,280 Speaker 1: you look at and and I do think it's important 397 00:20:13,280 --> 00:20:15,760 Speaker 1: to understand the context and the nature of what's taken 398 00:20:15,800 --> 00:20:21,159 Speaker 1: place here. The the investigation from its inception was fraught 399 00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:24,040 Speaker 1: with conflict and corruption. I mean, and and every day 400 00:20:24,040 --> 00:20:26,360 Speaker 1: it's something new. And these are not facts, and let's 401 00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:28,399 Speaker 1: talk about facts that are not in dispute. It is 402 00:20:28,400 --> 00:20:30,919 Speaker 1: not in dispute that Christopher Steele was the primary author 403 00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:35,280 Speaker 1: with with Fusion GPS of the dossier, which James Commy 404 00:20:35,359 --> 00:20:38,520 Speaker 1: said was slicious and unverified. We know that the fact, 405 00:20:38,840 --> 00:20:41,560 Speaker 1: so Christopher Steele. That's a fact. We know that the 406 00:20:41,600 --> 00:20:45,840 Speaker 1: FBI ultimately fired Christopher Steele because he was leaking. Yet 407 00:20:45,880 --> 00:20:48,680 Speaker 1: at the same time, we also know as fact undisputed 408 00:20:49,160 --> 00:20:52,000 Speaker 1: that Bruce Or, the number four the Justice Department at 409 00:20:52,040 --> 00:20:56,639 Speaker 1: the time, wife Nellie Or, worked for Fusion GPS and 410 00:20:56,720 --> 00:21:02,080 Speaker 1: was assigned to work with Christopher Steele on the dossier. 411 00:21:02,520 --> 00:21:05,320 Speaker 1: This is the number four the Justice Department spouse working 412 00:21:05,320 --> 00:21:08,840 Speaker 1: for Christopher with a Fusion GPS and Christopher Steele. Christopher 413 00:21:08,880 --> 00:21:11,840 Speaker 1: Steele gets piled fired because of leaking, which seems to 414 00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:15,360 Speaker 1: be the issue over there, and then you have conversations 415 00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:17,920 Speaker 1: still going on with Bruce or and trying to get 416 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:20,000 Speaker 1: him back in Bruce Or, by the way, still at 417 00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:22,560 Speaker 1: the United States Department of Justice. Interesting all of this, 418 00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:25,320 Speaker 1: and I even brought up the stock and page situation. Oh, 419 00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:28,159 Speaker 1: this is begging for an investigation, a serious one, a 420 00:21:28,200 --> 00:21:32,679 Speaker 1: grand jury investigation. Also, if Rosenstein is appointing special council, 421 00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:39,040 Speaker 1: independent council uh as he did, basically being manipulated by Comey, 422 00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:42,120 Speaker 1: why the heck not a point one here? Yeah? Why? 423 00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:45,240 Speaker 1: I thought about that too. Yeah, I raised that issue. 424 00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:49,119 Speaker 1: All right, we're taking your calls eight hundred six or 425 00:21:49,119 --> 00:21:51,280 Speaker 1: eight hundred nine f one Seawan. I'm Jay Secular here 426 00:21:51,280 --> 00:21:55,480 Speaker 1: with Rudy Giuliani Julian Inseculo hosting the Shawan Hennedy showed. 427 00:21:55,560 --> 00:22:00,640 Speaker 1: Let's go to Staten Island, Scott, you're on there, Hey, Jay, 428 00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:04,640 Speaker 1: fan of yours? Hello, Mr Mayor, big fan of yours. 429 00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:06,320 Speaker 1: How are you? And I'm a fan of Staaten Island? 430 00:22:06,359 --> 00:22:07,919 Speaker 1: You know that there you go? Oh yeah, well, if 431 00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:10,080 Speaker 1: you trust me, we're a huge fan of yours too. 432 00:22:11,560 --> 00:22:15,040 Speaker 1: What's what's going on? Guys? But I I really I'm 433 00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:17,640 Speaker 1: really concerned. What's going on. You know, you have all 434 00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:21,600 Speaker 1: these ultra left wingers out there, and uh, I just 435 00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:25,240 Speaker 1: got to know that if, if this is over, that 436 00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:27,320 Speaker 1: you guys are really going to drop the hammer on 437 00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:31,280 Speaker 1: some of these people. I mean, Colly, uh, mulla um, 438 00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:34,240 Speaker 1: all these other people you know, and now you have 439 00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:38,720 Speaker 1: Diane Feinstein out there employing a Chinese spy for the 440 00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:43,320 Speaker 1: last twenty years. Uh, you have all these only two decades, right, 441 00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:45,880 Speaker 1: and that's all. I mean, you know, it wasn't that long. 442 00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:48,680 Speaker 1: I mean you also have these people. The way they're 443 00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:51,680 Speaker 1: speaking about the president and his family. I've never heard 444 00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:54,879 Speaker 1: anything like it in my life. And they're telling lies 445 00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:58,080 Speaker 1: and lies and lies. But please tell me that after 446 00:22:58,080 --> 00:23:01,360 Speaker 1: this garbage is done. I mean, obviously you can't tell me. 447 00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:05,359 Speaker 1: Obviously I understand, but people are going to get in 448 00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:07,719 Speaker 1: trouble for this. Well. Look, I mean I have some 449 00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:12,640 Speaker 1: experience with the government officials that have not done appropriate conduct, 450 00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:15,720 Speaker 1: and that was Lois Learner. Uh, and the targeting that 451 00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:17,600 Speaker 1: she engaged in at the I R S. I actually 452 00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:20,879 Speaker 1: represented those conservative groups that challenged the I R S 453 00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:23,720 Speaker 1: on this. Ultimately, Lois Lerner took the fifth amenmetry the 454 00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:25,800 Speaker 1: right to do it rather than testifying, although she took 455 00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:28,520 Speaker 1: it in a kind of an unusual way. Uh. She 456 00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:31,840 Speaker 1: lost her position, did not lose her pension. She was 457 00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:36,120 Speaker 1: not criminally prosecuted, and we as private lawyers, can't initiate, 458 00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:38,520 Speaker 1: We can't bring a criminal case. That's what the government 459 00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:42,439 Speaker 1: UH does in that case, though it did cause reform 460 00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:46,800 Speaker 1: within the Internal Revenue Service, at least within the nonprofit world. Now, Rudy, 461 00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:49,320 Speaker 1: you involved in this because of I'll use the nine 462 00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:52,639 Speaker 1: eleven example. We obviously had gaps and flaws in our 463 00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:56,679 Speaker 1: intelligence gathering. You're part of the team that kind of 464 00:23:56,720 --> 00:23:59,240 Speaker 1: reput it all back together again. So what does happen 465 00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:01,439 Speaker 1: when you look at you got this, you know, fundamental 466 00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:05,159 Speaker 1: problem within an agency here, the FBI, d O J. 467 00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:07,400 Speaker 1: What do you do well? I think if I were 468 00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:12,080 Speaker 1: the Attorney General, I would appoint an independent council and 469 00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:14,520 Speaker 1: I'd appoint the independent Council of the two purposes purpose 470 00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:19,600 Speaker 1: number one to appropriately prosecute the people who violated these 471 00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:24,919 Speaker 1: uh these laws, UH call me. Clearly, UH leaked a 472 00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:28,919 Speaker 1: document that he wasn't supposed to leak, clear violation of 473 00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:32,600 Speaker 1: the law. He committed perjury about whether he was obstructed 474 00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:34,879 Speaker 1: or not he felt he was obstructed. I could go 475 00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:37,000 Speaker 1: on and on. So I'd have those things that I 476 00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:41,080 Speaker 1: destruct thing, the dossier, the paying for it, the lying 477 00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:44,040 Speaker 1: to the court, all that should be investigated. But I'd 478 00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:47,320 Speaker 1: also have the Independent Council do a report on how 479 00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:49,560 Speaker 1: to clean this up so it doesn't happen in the future. 480 00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:52,880 Speaker 1: That's what happened after Watergate. I I joined the Justice 481 00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:56,960 Speaker 1: Department and I was the associate Deputy Attorney General for 482 00:24:57,080 --> 00:25:01,359 Speaker 1: Judge Harold Tyler when he was the deputed ed Levy, 483 00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:05,639 Speaker 1: and we produced a document of how to reform the 484 00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:09,840 Speaker 1: Justice Department. So it included rules like, um, you can't 485 00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:12,200 Speaker 1: communicate with the White House except through the White House 486 00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:15,000 Speaker 1: Council's office. The Just Department just can't call up the 487 00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:19,360 Speaker 1: White House and discuss a criminal case. Uh. We are 488 00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:23,080 Speaker 1: in need of that kind of straightening out of the 489 00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:25,520 Speaker 1: Just Department. Now. You know, you know how frustrated the 490 00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:29,119 Speaker 1: President is but understandably about the state of the Justice. 491 00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:31,679 Speaker 1: What he says, my Justice Department is doing this. My 492 00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:35,639 Speaker 1: Just Department is doing that. It needs thoroughgoing reform the 493 00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:38,800 Speaker 1: way ed Levy reformed it after Watergate, because it was 494 00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:43,080 Speaker 1: completely infected by Obama let's go ahead and take another call, 495 00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:45,920 Speaker 1: and I think let's go to Las Vegas and Larry. Larry, 496 00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:49,000 Speaker 1: go ahead, you're on the Sean Hannity Show. Yes, gentlemen, 497 00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:51,480 Speaker 1: thank you for taking my call. He appreciate it. I'm 498 00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:55,560 Speaker 1: a retired law enforcement officer. I practiced my profession in 499 00:25:55,600 --> 00:26:00,240 Speaker 1: Illinois and Nevada. Very clear, it is very clear to me, sir, 500 00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:04,040 Speaker 1: And I'm very familiar with all the patronage system works, 501 00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:06,399 Speaker 1: and I know the mayor should be very familiar with 502 00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:10,639 Speaker 1: this and running a big city. Obama protected Hillary and 503 00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:13,320 Speaker 1: we know that there's things that even mentioned in Kevin 504 00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:17,320 Speaker 1: Klein's book Guilty as Sin, where Comey was called in. 505 00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:21,120 Speaker 1: So these are all directives given by the past president 506 00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:25,840 Speaker 1: Barack Obama, and everything that's come out um revealed through 507 00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:28,600 Speaker 1: Fox News and other entities and a lot of books, 508 00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:32,919 Speaker 1: is very clear Obama should be charged. The Department of 509 00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:36,879 Speaker 1: Justice is being lack in its responsibility right now to 510 00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:40,240 Speaker 1: which they should be looking and investigating and charging Barack 511 00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:44,080 Speaker 1: Obama would abusive power. Well, I think I don't want 512 00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:46,639 Speaker 1: to jump. I don't think you could. I would, I 513 00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:50,800 Speaker 1: would agree with you. It is crying out for an investigation. Uh. 514 00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:53,439 Speaker 1: There are a couple others where it is clear they 515 00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:59,240 Speaker 1: violated the law. Comy clear, Uh, the dossier clear, the 516 00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:01,480 Speaker 1: people who pay for that dossier, and then the people 517 00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:05,280 Speaker 1: who included it in the Fiser application maybe the worst 518 00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:08,480 Speaker 1: of all. But whether how much did the president know 519 00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:11,679 Speaker 1: and when did he know it? And that's a good question. 520 00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:14,479 Speaker 1: It is worthy of investigation. But I think in fairness 521 00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:17,280 Speaker 1: we yeah, I'm shouldn't jump to a conclusion. Yeah, you know, look, 522 00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:19,800 Speaker 1: I think here's the problem. That's this idea that you know, 523 00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:22,879 Speaker 1: you immediately go to an investigation of of of a 524 00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:25,560 Speaker 1: former president or a president. I think, listen, we're all 525 00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:28,040 Speaker 1: I think that for Rudy and certainly for me and 526 00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:31,680 Speaker 1: Rudy that the fact is we're dealing with one right now. Uh, 527 00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:34,320 Speaker 1: and these things should not be entered into lightly. And 528 00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:36,359 Speaker 1: I think you've got to understand that's part of the 529 00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:40,280 Speaker 1: process that we're going through in dealing with representation of 530 00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:42,480 Speaker 1: the president and why this is, you know, why we're 531 00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:46,240 Speaker 1: in this discussions that we've had with UH, with the 532 00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:50,280 Speaker 1: Special Counsel's Office and continue to have regarding where this ends. 533 00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:52,640 Speaker 1: We want this to be over with soon. We think 534 00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:54,920 Speaker 1: the country deserves it to be over with soon. Our 535 00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:57,399 Speaker 1: position is clear that we do not think there's been 536 00:27:57,400 --> 00:28:00,080 Speaker 1: any violation of any law, rules or regulations. But we 537 00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:02,120 Speaker 1: want to see this end. And this has been unprecedented 538 00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:05,679 Speaker 1: cooperation at the highest levels, and I'm just gonna leave 539 00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:09,200 Speaker 1: it at that. I'm gonna take another call though, because uh, 540 00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:11,760 Speaker 1: someone is calling about a situation that Mayor I think 541 00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:13,639 Speaker 1: really you could address, and that's Amy from Colorado and 542 00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:18,680 Speaker 1: she's concerned about Chicago. Amy. Go ahead, you're on the show. Hi, gentlemen. 543 00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:21,760 Speaker 1: It is to honor to speak to both of you. Um, 544 00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:24,440 Speaker 1: my question is for you, Mr Mayor. I have a 545 00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:27,200 Speaker 1: brother that listen in Chicago. Of course I'm concerned about 546 00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:30,320 Speaker 1: the situation there. Um, you know all the dusts over 547 00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:34,320 Speaker 1: the past week and they just don't seem to have 548 00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:37,080 Speaker 1: their act together. What recommendations do you have to clean 549 00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:40,440 Speaker 1: that citty up? Well, let's let's just remind people they 550 00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:45,280 Speaker 1: were seventy two people shot over last weekend. Seventy two 551 00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:47,880 Speaker 1: people in the weekend of the last weekend. Not a 552 00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:51,920 Speaker 1: single person as if yesterday arrested, which is not unusual. 553 00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:54,960 Speaker 1: They don't clear all but about one out of twenty shootings, 554 00:28:55,120 --> 00:29:02,120 Speaker 1: which is totally impossible to understand, and the mayor. The 555 00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:05,360 Speaker 1: mayor has finding all kinds of excuses other than let's reform. 556 00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:08,400 Speaker 1: Let's reform the situation and handle it. What would you do? 557 00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:13,320 Speaker 1: I would? I would, I would immediately that immediately appoint 558 00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:16,600 Speaker 1: a police commissioner who was going to put in a 559 00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:21,040 Speaker 1: CompStat system that really works, which means measuring crime. It 560 00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:27,280 Speaker 1: was invented. CompStat was invented by me, Bill Bratton, Jack Maple. 561 00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:30,480 Speaker 1: One of the people who clearly knows it well is 562 00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:33,640 Speaker 1: Gary McCarthy who's running for mayor of Chicago. He ran 563 00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:37,040 Speaker 1: the system for us for four or five years. UM, 564 00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:39,720 Speaker 1: I don't want to get involved in the politics that 565 00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:44,320 Speaker 1: it's a computer, computer based system. It very intricate. It 566 00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:47,840 Speaker 1: measures crime every day, and then it pin maps. It 567 00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:50,400 Speaker 1: puts on a map, tells you whether crimes are being committed, 568 00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:53,080 Speaker 1: shows you where your gaps are. And then every day 569 00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:56,800 Speaker 1: you readjust your policing to try to have the police 570 00:29:56,840 --> 00:29:59,040 Speaker 1: in the right place at the right time. And then 571 00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:01,840 Speaker 1: every week you have a step meeting which in which 572 00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:04,040 Speaker 1: you go about through about two or three hours of 573 00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:06,280 Speaker 1: way you did it right, way you did it wrong? 574 00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:10,680 Speaker 1: Who needs resources. What could be? What is? Why would 575 00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:12,440 Speaker 1: they not doing The city of New York has been 576 00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:18,240 Speaker 1: doing that since the first day of crime is down 577 00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:25,560 Speaker 1: seventy to murders down about Chicago? Why are they doing 578 00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:28,320 Speaker 1: about three times the murders of New York? Why not 579 00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:29,880 Speaker 1: do it? Why would they do it? Why would Ram 580 00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:32,960 Speaker 1: Emanuel do it? You have to ask Ram Emanuel. I 581 00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:36,560 Speaker 1: mean he's fiddling while Chicago burns. Uh. Ram Emanuel is 582 00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:39,560 Speaker 1: not a law enforcement guy. He doesn't understand that his 583 00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:41,880 Speaker 1: police department doesn't do a damn thing for him because 584 00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:44,280 Speaker 1: he turns his back on him. Part of this is 585 00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:46,960 Speaker 1: also your police department has to be willing to go 586 00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:49,400 Speaker 1: the extra mile for you. Because you go the extra 587 00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:52,480 Speaker 1: mile for them, you constantly you're constantly blaming them for things. 588 00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:55,960 Speaker 1: You're making them worried about doing their jobs. They're just 589 00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:58,920 Speaker 1: not going to do their jobs. If they're ordinary cop, 590 00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:00,880 Speaker 1: the hero cop will do it anyway? Is it part? 591 00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:04,360 Speaker 1: So it's part a policing issue. Part is a structural issue. 592 00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:07,360 Speaker 1: It's a policing issue, it's a moral issue. It's a 593 00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:12,400 Speaker 1: it's a look the communities want it now. I mean 594 00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:15,840 Speaker 1: he's he's having terrible problems. Plus he made some comment 595 00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:18,600 Speaker 1: on it's only in certain neighborhoods. You've done right, m 596 00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:21,080 Speaker 1: It's in certain neighborhoods, in the poor neighborhoods. It's in 597 00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:23,120 Speaker 1: the black neighborhoods, and they are the people who are 598 00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:25,760 Speaker 1: being slaughtered and you're not doing a damn thing about it. 599 00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:30,520 Speaker 1: All right, we're with the Rudy Giuliani, Giuliani and Seculo 600 00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:36,680 Speaker 1: here subhosting or not subhosting, co hosting, no hosting for sure. Yes, 601 00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:39,960 Speaker 1: we're also gonna take your calls at seven, three to 602 00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:43,320 Speaker 1: six or eight one sewn. Also, I should say if 603 00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:45,800 Speaker 1: you want to follow us, you can do that at 604 00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:49,760 Speaker 1: Rudy Giuliani, at j Seculo or a c l J 605 00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:53,000 Speaker 1: dot org. You've got a lot more ahead and what 606 00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:56,080 Speaker 1: I consider a very fun day being able to host 607 00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:58,360 Speaker 1: the Shawan Hannity Show. All Right, we'll talk to you 608 00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:00,760 Speaker 1: more in just a moment. Hey, welcome back to the 609 00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:03,600 Speaker 1: Shawan Hannity Showed. Jay Seculo here co hosting with Mayor 610 00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:06,160 Speaker 1: Rudy Giuliani. We've got a lot more ahead, by the way, 611 00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:08,480 Speaker 1: coming up, but it is great doing this with you. Well, 612 00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:11,440 Speaker 1: I think we've clearly demonstrated and will demonstrate on the 613 00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:13,240 Speaker 1: course of this show that there's a lot of questions 614 00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:17,160 Speaker 1: about this investigation. It surely looks like an illegitimate investigation. 615 00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:20,160 Speaker 1: President United States said this a long time back, that 616 00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:23,560 Speaker 1: it's a witch hunt, and uh, you can describe in 617 00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:26,320 Speaker 1: a lot of ways a hoax like uh, like uh 618 00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:30,160 Speaker 1: Greg's book. But you look at the questions that keep 619 00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:32,719 Speaker 1: flowing out, ye, and there's more information coming out, by 620 00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:34,840 Speaker 1: the way, coming, keep listening, coming up. We've got some 621 00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:37,440 Speaker 1: of my colleagues at the American Center for Law and Justice. 622 00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:41,000 Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about Turkey, talk about that issue involving 623 00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:44,200 Speaker 1: Pastor Andrew Brunson. We've got a lot more ahead. We're 624 00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:46,040 Speaker 1: having a lot of fun here on the Sean Hannity Show. 625 00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:49,320 Speaker 1: We'll be back with more in just a moment. Everybody, 626 00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:51,400 Speaker 1: Welcome back to our two of the Shawan Hannity broadcasts. 627 00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:53,680 Speaker 1: At Jay Seculo. I am sitting in for Sean and 628 00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:56,120 Speaker 1: also joining me today is gonna be my good friend 629 00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:58,440 Speaker 1: Mayor Rudy Giuliani. Just heard from him. You're gonna hear 630 00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:00,720 Speaker 1: from him some more. But I'm gonna's before we get 631 00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:03,200 Speaker 1: back to Mayor Giuliani. And there's a lot of news 632 00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:05,880 Speaker 1: going on, obviously, but there's one thing that, um, I 633 00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:08,760 Speaker 1: have a a steak in, I will say, and that is, 634 00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:10,840 Speaker 1: of course I was taking most of the news these days. 635 00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:12,880 Speaker 1: I was making a joke the other day that, uh, 636 00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:16,080 Speaker 1: sometimes you're making the news, sometimes you're in the news, 637 00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:17,960 Speaker 1: and sometimes you're just talking about the news. I will 638 00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:21,800 Speaker 1: tell you these days, I am doing both or all three. 639 00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:23,880 Speaker 1: I am making the news, talking about the news, and 640 00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:26,840 Speaker 1: have been in the news. Having said that, of course, 641 00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:29,160 Speaker 1: not only my counsel to the President the United States, 642 00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:32,200 Speaker 1: as Mayor Giuliani is, I am also the chief counsel 643 00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:33,640 Speaker 1: for the American Center for Law on Justice And we 644 00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:35,880 Speaker 1: have a case that is in the news fact right now, 645 00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:38,840 Speaker 1: it is a lead story on Drudge and it's a 646 00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:42,479 Speaker 1: case an issue that we've been talking about a lot. 647 00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:44,400 Speaker 1: In fact, Sean has been talking about it as well. 648 00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:47,840 Speaker 1: And that is the case of Andrew Brunson, the American 649 00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:51,000 Speaker 1: Christian pastor. He's been in Turkey for twenty three years. 650 00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:53,480 Speaker 1: He was picked up after the coup in Turkey two 651 00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:56,440 Speaker 1: years ago and was put in jail. Uh. The charge 652 00:33:56,600 --> 00:34:00,320 Speaker 1: against him was christianization. That is actually in the mint. 653 00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:02,680 Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about that because the lead right now 654 00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:06,200 Speaker 1: on Drudge Report, and this is true, is Turkey's economy 655 00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:09,760 Speaker 1: on the brink. This could be the most expensive pastor 656 00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:13,800 Speaker 1: in world history, the billion dollar pastor in one sense. 657 00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:15,879 Speaker 1: I mean, it's hard to believe that Turkey is letting 658 00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:18,680 Speaker 1: itself get to this point. This supposed to be a 659 00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:21,640 Speaker 1: NATO ally after all, the get to this point because 660 00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:25,200 Speaker 1: they're so entrenched on keeping this pastor in Turkey. Now, 661 00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:27,000 Speaker 1: I will say that some good news and that has 662 00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:29,759 Speaker 1: been released to home confinement, so that certainly is better 663 00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:31,640 Speaker 1: than being in a Turkish jail. I am bringing in 664 00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:33,759 Speaker 1: some of our experts at the American Center for Law 665 00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:36,440 Speaker 1: and Justice to address this issue. Jordan Seculo is our 666 00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:39,360 Speaker 1: executive director. It's also my son. Andy Economy is a 667 00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:42,319 Speaker 1: senior counsel for the a c l J, and it's 668 00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:45,680 Speaker 1: very involved in the issues involving the Middle East and Turkey. 669 00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:49,520 Speaker 1: Harry Hutchinson is our director of Public Policy. Jordan, let's 670 00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:51,440 Speaker 1: go to the latest to start with you here. From 671 00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:54,719 Speaker 1: the standpoint of the pastors, incarceration will get into the 672 00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:57,480 Speaker 1: economy and Turkey being impacted about this, But why don't 673 00:34:57,480 --> 00:34:59,560 Speaker 1: you give everybody the latest report on where the case is, 674 00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:02,480 Speaker 1: because it changes literally on a daily basis. Right now, 675 00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:05,400 Speaker 1: he's on house arrest. Yes, that's a much better situation 676 00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:08,200 Speaker 1: you you would to be in as an individual. You know, 677 00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:10,880 Speaker 1: we've had these situations where people are coming right out 678 00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:14,080 Speaker 1: of that prison environment back to reality and and outside 679 00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:16,480 Speaker 1: of it that that can be tougher. So he's remember 680 00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:19,040 Speaker 1: this is his home, long term home there. So while 681 00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:22,560 Speaker 1: he's confined, uh and so under house arrest, this is 682 00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:27,160 Speaker 1: a familiar place. That being said, it's still confined. So 683 00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:31,560 Speaker 1: he's still being detained by a NATO ally and and 684 00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:35,600 Speaker 1: and by Turkey by the government. In this situation, the 685 00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:38,640 Speaker 1: case has not been dropped. The the the the the 686 00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:40,759 Speaker 1: moved and and I'd say that every day he's there. 687 00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:43,839 Speaker 1: Now the Turkish media which is in these reports about 688 00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:47,880 Speaker 1: the economy, it's NonStop. We're not so used to it here. 689 00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:50,200 Speaker 1: It's become in the in the news more and more 690 00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:52,480 Speaker 1: so people are getting more familiar with Andrew Brunson's name. 691 00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:55,560 Speaker 1: But for two years he has been battered around the 692 00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:57,919 Speaker 1: Turkish press to the point where it is not safe 693 00:35:57,960 --> 00:35:59,799 Speaker 1: for him to be on the streets. Anymore. It's someone 694 00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:02,239 Speaker 1: who lived there for twenty three years. That is the 695 00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:05,640 Speaker 1: situation he is in. So every moment he has to 696 00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:09,480 Speaker 1: stay in Turkey, even with the security he's got is dangerous. 697 00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:13,600 Speaker 1: We's got eighteen Turkish security guards around his house right now, 698 00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:16,120 Speaker 1: I mean eighteen. I mean, just think about that, protecting 699 00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:20,560 Speaker 1: him from an environment that the Turkish government Urtawan created. 700 00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:23,320 Speaker 1: Now again, I'm gonna go to Andy Economo, who is 701 00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:25,400 Speaker 1: the senior council has been very involved in this case. Andy, 702 00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:27,399 Speaker 1: you you speak a lot of languages. You were able 703 00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:31,160 Speaker 1: to translate the Turkish. This pastor the charge against him 704 00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:34,279 Speaker 1: is actually, I mean, folks, this is the reality of 705 00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:36,839 Speaker 1: what you're dealing with. Everybody. Of course, when they get 706 00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:40,480 Speaker 1: arrested in these situations, there a spy, it's espionage, their 707 00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:43,279 Speaker 1: a c I agent. That's the allegations. But in this one, 708 00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:45,399 Speaker 1: in addition to making you know what the basis upon 709 00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:49,000 Speaker 1: that was, it's called christianization, Andy, that is the actual 710 00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:52,080 Speaker 1: charge in the indictment. Yes, that's exactly correct, Jay. What 711 00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:56,360 Speaker 1: they're charging this pastor with is a Christianization of the 712 00:36:56,600 --> 00:37:00,680 Speaker 1: Turkish Republic, or the attempt to christianize the Turkish people. 713 00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:03,360 Speaker 1: And this is under ridiculous charge. It is no crime. 714 00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:08,520 Speaker 1: The Turkish constitution provides, at least publicly and for purposes 715 00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:12,520 Speaker 1: of popular consumption, uh, freedom of religion and worship. But 716 00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:15,160 Speaker 1: that's not the case for the for the minorities in Turkey. 717 00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:17,279 Speaker 1: I'm Greek. I can tell you it's not the case 718 00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:20,680 Speaker 1: for the Greek minorities in Turkey, and say especially for 719 00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:24,480 Speaker 1: the beleaguer to commenical patriarch in Constantinople and Estanbul. That 720 00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:27,400 Speaker 1: is not the case. And so what Pastor Brunson is 721 00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:29,800 Speaker 1: being charged with is something that is not a crime, 722 00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:33,480 Speaker 1: but has been concocted by the Urduan regime everyone being 723 00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:36,520 Speaker 1: basically a dictator and today in Turkey, and he is 724 00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:40,280 Speaker 1: being charged with Christianization. A horrible thing to be charged 725 00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:43,560 Speaker 1: with something that uh, that is not as I said, 726 00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:46,279 Speaker 1: and a penal offense in Turkey. Let me go to 727 00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:48,920 Speaker 1: Harry Hutchinson east Or, director of policy at the American 728 00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:51,319 Speaker 1: Centerfore and just again, this is Jason Lama in Port 729 00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:54,279 Speaker 1: my great friend Sean Hennedy. They give him a day off, 730 00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:56,960 Speaker 1: Linda gave him a day off. You do that often 731 00:37:57,880 --> 00:37:59,880 Speaker 1: only when I absolutely have to see there you go, 732 00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:02,399 Speaker 1: you know what I did, j to a wedding there, 733 00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:03,800 Speaker 1: you go. Well, that's a good thing to be going to. 734 00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:06,600 Speaker 1: It's good to have celebrations. So I'm glad, glad he's 735 00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:09,640 Speaker 1: having a good family time at a at a wedding. 736 00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:11,920 Speaker 1: That's great, and I'm glad that I'm here also with 737 00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:15,640 Speaker 1: my colleague Rudy Giuliani. We're gonna get back into some 738 00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:18,359 Speaker 1: of those news items, but I wanted to really cover 739 00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:20,920 Speaker 1: this because, look, this is a case where this is 740 00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:23,640 Speaker 1: an American being held captain. The President has been very 741 00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:27,400 Speaker 1: aggressive about requesting and demanding I would say, did requestings 742 00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:30,239 Speaker 1: not the right? We're demanding this pastor's release, and he 743 00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:32,719 Speaker 1: has put sanctions in place because of the way the 744 00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:36,040 Speaker 1: Turkish government is acting. Harry Hutchinson is our director of 745 00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:38,240 Speaker 1: Policy at the a c l J is also professor 746 00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:41,759 Speaker 1: of Law and Economics, and uh, Harry, it is fair 747 00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:46,240 Speaker 1: to say, Professor Hutchinson, that the sanctions that the President 748 00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:50,080 Speaker 1: has put in place here are having a dramatic impact 749 00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:52,800 Speaker 1: on the Turkish economy. In fact, on the Drudge Report, 750 00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:56,080 Speaker 1: it says Turkey on an economic brink, Jay, you are 751 00:38:56,239 --> 00:39:00,480 Speaker 1: absolutely correct, Turkey is edging closer and close served to 752 00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:05,919 Speaker 1: a full blown financial meltdown. As President Trump has authorized 753 00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:09,680 Speaker 1: a doubling of some tariffs on Turkish products. The Turkish 754 00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:15,200 Speaker 1: currency plunged by seventeen percent today, reaching another record low 755 00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:19,840 Speaker 1: as stocks slid by as much as nine percent. Turkey 756 00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:24,880 Speaker 1: is gripped by an economic contagion. In part this is 757 00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:30,799 Speaker 1: fueled by inflation and foreign debt. Most investment analysts are 758 00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:34,120 Speaker 1: urging their clients to pull their assets out of Turkey 759 00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:40,879 Speaker 1: immediately as Turkey faces runaway inflation and unrestrained foreign debt. 760 00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:44,960 Speaker 1: As the Turkish lira continues to fall in value, the 761 00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:50,840 Speaker 1: value of foreign denominated debt rises, placing even more pressure 762 00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:54,200 Speaker 1: on the Turkish government. You look at the situation and 763 00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:55,759 Speaker 1: you try to say to yourself, why in the world 764 00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:58,560 Speaker 1: with Turkey suffer that they're put themselves in this kind 765 00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:01,520 Speaker 1: of situation to economics offering that they're going for over 766 00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:03,560 Speaker 1: this and I'm gonna go right back to Jordan's secure 767 00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:05,959 Speaker 1: and this. You look at the situation, as Harry just said, 768 00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:08,280 Speaker 1: I mean, they're doing this for what for a pastor 769 00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:10,800 Speaker 1: to be kept in jail for a false charge. What 770 00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:15,080 Speaker 1: we're saying is Turkish strong man who is not acting 771 00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:17,680 Speaker 1: rationally more. And we've talked about how he has braced 772 00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:22,040 Speaker 1: embraced Islamic politics and so so blending those two and 773 00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:25,439 Speaker 1: kind of towed this line between somewhat radical but still 774 00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:28,200 Speaker 1: isis is an enemy. But then what's his statement on 775 00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:30,920 Speaker 1: this ultimately about the fall of the economy is not 776 00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:34,680 Speaker 1: economic or financial. It's invoking religion. So he says, quote, 777 00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:37,880 Speaker 1: if they have their dollars, we have our people and 778 00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:39,920 Speaker 1: our God. And I point out two things. One in 779 00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:43,200 Speaker 1: in our country, Uh, we we have our national motto. 780 00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:45,520 Speaker 1: Uh in God, we trust in our pledge of allegiance. 781 00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:47,319 Speaker 1: We have one nation under God. So I don't think 782 00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:49,279 Speaker 1: you know that these statements alone, but we know what 783 00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:52,480 Speaker 1: he's really saying there in Turkey. He is invoking a 784 00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:54,800 Speaker 1: new kind of politics in Turkey. He's been doing it 785 00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:57,480 Speaker 1: over years and now even when it comes to finances, 786 00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:00,680 Speaker 1: which ultimately these strong men are usually that's their concerned. 787 00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:02,879 Speaker 1: But we've also talked about the idea that the new 788 00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:05,360 Speaker 1: allies he's tried to make are never very good allies. 789 00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:09,080 Speaker 1: The Russians, Uh, they tried to work with Iran, they 790 00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:11,120 Speaker 1: don't they don't bail you out if if they've got 791 00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:13,480 Speaker 1: nothing to return. You know, in Syria, the Russians have 792 00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:16,759 Speaker 1: a warm water base. As long as they can keep that, Uh, 793 00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:19,279 Speaker 1: that's worthwhile for them to keep fighting in Turkey. If 794 00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:21,560 Speaker 1: the economy starts falling apart, then they're gonna come in 795 00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:24,840 Speaker 1: and save an urdwan who's still by the way, government 796 00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:27,799 Speaker 1: is is a member of NATO, which the Russians can't stand. Yeah, 797 00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:29,760 Speaker 1: that's is the irony of all of this, of course, 798 00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:32,640 Speaker 1: is that the Turks and the Russians have an ongoing feud. 799 00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:35,360 Speaker 1: They're a NATO ally of the United States, within the 800 00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:38,440 Speaker 1: NATO Partnership, and they're certainly not acting like it. It's 801 00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:40,759 Speaker 1: become an Islamic regime. That's what it is. I mean, 802 00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:43,800 Speaker 1: that's where it's gone. Unfortunately, this is not the Turkey 803 00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:45,920 Speaker 1: and the economy of at A Turk. No, this is 804 00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:48,640 Speaker 1: not the Turkey of Ada turk j. These men are 805 00:41:48,719 --> 00:41:53,120 Speaker 1: simply Islamius, wearing suits, coats and ties. The additor wore 806 00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:54,840 Speaker 1: a suit code in a time, but he tried to 807 00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:58,600 Speaker 1: bring Turkey into the West and into the then twentieth century. 808 00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:01,759 Speaker 1: So um, everyone needs to wake up. He needs to 809 00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:05,719 Speaker 1: realize that he may have God. Um but it's a 810 00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:08,960 Speaker 1: good idea to get a local financial advisor too. Yeah, 811 00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:10,600 Speaker 1: and I don't think it's the guy that we're used to, 812 00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:13,799 Speaker 1: and he certainly could use a financial advisor. So Harry, 813 00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:16,160 Speaker 1: let me ask you this, your professor of law and economics. 814 00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:18,960 Speaker 1: What in the why would they put themselves in this 815 00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:24,320 Speaker 1: situation over this pastor? Well, I think for political, ideological, 816 00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:29,520 Speaker 1: and religious reasons. A president Urduwan suffers, in my opinion, 817 00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:34,640 Speaker 1: from illusions of grandeur. But President Trump is responding with 818 00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:42,880 Speaker 1: maximum pressure, maximum economic pressure. Urduwan has responded with defiance. Meanwhile, 819 00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:48,439 Speaker 1: his country and its people are suffering massively. This will lead, 820 00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:52,000 Speaker 1: in my opinion, ultimately to a climb down by the 821 00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:55,239 Speaker 1: Turkish leader. I think you're right, Jordan, really quickly here 822 00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:56,520 Speaker 1: as we get ready to go to a break in 823 00:42:56,520 --> 00:42:59,960 Speaker 1: a minute, unless it's important. We've handled these cases before 824 00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:02,920 Speaker 1: war with the Sudanese. We've handled him with the Iranians. 825 00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:05,200 Speaker 1: You would have never thought that Turkey would be this difficult, 826 00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:09,680 Speaker 1: you know, I mean President Urawad built himself palaces. Uh. Well, 827 00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:11,880 Speaker 1: you know, while the economy was on an upswing, you 828 00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:14,280 Speaker 1: would think that's what he actually cared about. I mean honestly, 829 00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:16,439 Speaker 1: I mean that the strong man kind of leader would 830 00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:19,839 Speaker 1: be more important to protect his palace. At this point, though, 831 00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:24,320 Speaker 1: you see, he's embracing a radical uh Islamic message. We 832 00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:26,799 Speaker 1: kept at kind of We've kept discussing this. How far 833 00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:28,879 Speaker 1: is he gonna go with this, this angle of using 834 00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:32,040 Speaker 1: Islam up to his political purposes. But I'll tell you 835 00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:34,920 Speaker 1: someone's been there in Turkey. I don't think that sells 836 00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:37,440 Speaker 1: to to enough people there to keep him in power. 837 00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:39,279 Speaker 1: And these guys, as we can see, they may have 838 00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:41,480 Speaker 1: a lot of power. They may pull out these coups, 839 00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:44,800 Speaker 1: these phony coups, whatever's happening there, But ultimately, if the 840 00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:47,439 Speaker 1: economy falls away, it's falling and it continues to fall. 841 00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:50,600 Speaker 1: And with President Trump's announcement today on the tariffs, Uh, 842 00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:54,160 Speaker 1: they don't survive and I mean literally, they do not 843 00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:57,480 Speaker 1: survive these kind of situations. They either end up in 844 00:43:57,560 --> 00:44:01,839 Speaker 1: prison like Mohammed Morsey in Egypt or or worse. Yeah, 845 00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:03,840 Speaker 1: and let me tell you this, folks. I spoke with 846 00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:07,839 Speaker 1: the President as recently as yesterday on Pastor Brunson's case, 847 00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:11,920 Speaker 1: and Uh, the President is serious. They're gonna return Andrew Brunson. 848 00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:14,359 Speaker 1: That's what needs to happen here. It has to happen here, 849 00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:16,719 Speaker 1: so we'll get more involved and that will keep you posting. 850 00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:18,200 Speaker 1: And by the way, I want to thank Sewan because 851 00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:20,920 Speaker 1: he's been covering this case for Pastor Brunson's hard to 852 00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:23,000 Speaker 1: break into the news on these kind of cases when 853 00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:26,359 Speaker 1: everything else is going on, but the folks here at 854 00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:28,640 Speaker 1: Shahn Handy's Broadcast have done that. We appreciate it. Hey, 855 00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:30,439 Speaker 1: we're taking a break. When we come back, we're gonna 856 00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:33,480 Speaker 1: have more with my friend Rudy Giuliani. We're gonna talk 857 00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:35,120 Speaker 1: about some of the other big news of the day. 858 00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:37,080 Speaker 1: There's other news in the day today. By the way, 859 00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:39,920 Speaker 1: in case you're new to this and anyways, I'm Jay 860 00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:42,160 Speaker 1: Sekulo and chief counselor of the American Center for Lawn 861 00:44:42,239 --> 00:44:44,439 Speaker 1: Justin also one of the president's lawyers, and I'm gonna 862 00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:46,920 Speaker 1: be taking calls also with Rudy Giuliani. By the way, 863 00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:48,360 Speaker 1: if you want to talk to us, it's eight hundred 864 00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:52,480 Speaker 1: nine four one seven three to six. That's one nine 865 00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:55,680 Speaker 1: one seven three to six or eight hundred nine four 866 00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:58,640 Speaker 1: one Sean, that's a pretty easy way to do it. 867 00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:00,840 Speaker 1: Let me tell you this, We're gonna come back with 868 00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:02,759 Speaker 1: a lot more. So stay tuned. We'll be back with 869 00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:05,359 Speaker 1: more in just a moment. Welcome back to the John 870 00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:08,120 Speaker 1: Hannity's John Jay Sekulo. I'm getting to be the host 871 00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:11,040 Speaker 1: today with my friend Mayor Rudy Giuliani. But we're talking 872 00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:12,759 Speaker 1: about a major case that we're involved in at the 873 00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:16,200 Speaker 1: American Center for Law and Justice, involving Pastor Andrew Brunson. 874 00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:18,759 Speaker 1: We've got in our studio, as I say our, because 875 00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:21,239 Speaker 1: I have a broadcast to that airs and that is 876 00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:23,640 Speaker 1: Jordan Secular, the executive director of the American Center for 877 00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:25,920 Speaker 1: Law and Justice, Professor Harry Hutchinson and professor of Law 878 00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:28,120 Speaker 1: and Economics, and our director of Policy and senior counsel 879 00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:30,160 Speaker 1: to the a c l J. And that is Dr 880 00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:32,000 Speaker 1: Andrew Economa. Let me go right to Jordan. Here. We're 881 00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:35,120 Speaker 1: talking about Pastor Andrew Brunson on home arrest right now, 882 00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:37,319 Speaker 1: which is better than jail, but not quite home yet. 883 00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:38,759 Speaker 1: I want to get I'm gonna ask one question. I 884 00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:40,480 Speaker 1: want everybody to give me your thoughts. I'm gonna start 885 00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:43,239 Speaker 1: with Jordan's what do you with the economic pressure on 886 00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:46,000 Speaker 1: Turkey now, what do you expect to happen. Well, we 887 00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:49,640 Speaker 1: know that Turkey is tying directly President Trump's tweet, which 888 00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:51,040 Speaker 1: he did not do it in the in the tweet 889 00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:53,920 Speaker 1: announcing the tariffs, but they are in the media and 890 00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:58,359 Speaker 1: and through the government directly to Pastor Andrew Bruns, as 891 00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:01,840 Speaker 1: you said earlier, the most expensive pastor in history, to 892 00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:05,759 Speaker 1: an economy falling apart. And is that going to again 893 00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:08,480 Speaker 1: make it with the people of Turkey. They're not that 894 00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:11,400 Speaker 1: radicalized overall, and I think that they may have been 895 00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:14,360 Speaker 1: okay with a strong man talking Turkish nationalism, but his 896 00:46:14,680 --> 00:46:18,880 Speaker 1: full embrace of almost Islamic, this kind of modern Islamic radicalism, 897 00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:21,480 Speaker 1: I would call it, is not I just doesn't sell 898 00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:23,000 Speaker 1: to the people. And I think he's on the brink. 899 00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:25,920 Speaker 1: He's the one on the brink of of real disaster 900 00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:28,880 Speaker 1: for himself. Let me ask this to you, uh Andy, 901 00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:30,960 Speaker 1: your sinse. You've been to Turkey a lot, you know 902 00:46:31,080 --> 00:46:33,160 Speaker 1: the region, you know the area. What do you think 903 00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:35,640 Speaker 1: the next thing is here? I think Arionan is gonna 904 00:46:35,640 --> 00:46:38,080 Speaker 1: have to climb down. I mean I've been to Istanbul 905 00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:41,160 Speaker 1: several times. It's a western city, essentially a city of 906 00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:44,040 Speaker 1: seventeen million people. The interior of Turkey is very different 907 00:46:44,719 --> 00:46:48,160 Speaker 1: ancient Capadocia and medieval Cavadosia, the heart of the old 908 00:46:48,239 --> 00:46:51,160 Speaker 1: Byzantine Empire is different. But the reality is that people 909 00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:54,000 Speaker 1: are hungry both in Istanbul and people are hungry in 910 00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:56,440 Speaker 1: the middle part of Turkey, which means that they're not 911 00:46:56,520 --> 00:46:58,960 Speaker 1: going to tolerate the inflation, They're not going to tolerate 912 00:46:59,239 --> 00:47:01,880 Speaker 1: the economic hardships in there. To On's gonna have to 913 00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:03,960 Speaker 1: climb down, but you're gonna have to give him some 914 00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:07,360 Speaker 1: face saving device. So Harry, from an economic standpoint that 915 00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:09,720 Speaker 1: the impact on the lyra, the impact on the economy 916 00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:12,799 Speaker 1: already has been significant. What do you think happens next? Well, 917 00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:16,120 Speaker 1: I think, Jay, you're absolutely correct. The economy is cratering, 918 00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:21,120 Speaker 1: the lera is plunging, investors are fleeing, and sanctions and 919 00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:24,680 Speaker 1: tariffs are working. So I think there will indeed be 920 00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:31,319 Speaker 1: a climb down by the Turkish president despite his current defiance. Ultimately, 921 00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:34,440 Speaker 1: he will have to answer to his people, and his 922 00:47:34,600 --> 00:47:37,480 Speaker 1: people are hurting immensely. I think that's the reality. I 923 00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:40,440 Speaker 1: appreciate everybody's opinions on that. Let me again say a 924 00:47:40,560 --> 00:47:42,560 Speaker 1: huge thank you to Sean and the whole team here 925 00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:45,840 Speaker 1: at the Sean Hannity Show for covering this story. And 926 00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:47,720 Speaker 1: I think, look, I think we're gonna get this pastor 927 00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:51,719 Speaker 1: home to the United States very very soon. I can't 928 00:47:51,719 --> 00:47:53,800 Speaker 1: give you, and I'm not good at predicting dates, especially 929 00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:55,320 Speaker 1: in these kind of cases. You can because there's so 930 00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:57,680 Speaker 1: many ups and downs. But I still think with all 931 00:47:57,719 --> 00:47:59,520 Speaker 1: this going on, at the end of the day, we're 932 00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:01,839 Speaker 1: gonna get there. We're just gonna take it. May take 933 00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:04,120 Speaker 1: a week and may take a month, we're gonna get there. Anyways, 934 00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:06,040 Speaker 1: We've got a lot more to discuss. We'll be taking 935 00:48:06,080 --> 00:48:12,399 Speaker 1: calls as well. That's eight. Sean, my co host, will 936 00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:14,879 Speaker 1: be back with me in just moments that as Mayor 937 00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:18,240 Speaker 1: Rudy Giuliani, who's also my co counsel representing the President 938 00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:20,560 Speaker 1: of the United States. We have some news we'll talk 939 00:48:20,600 --> 00:48:23,520 Speaker 1: about there. You may have heard some things, a couple 940 00:48:23,600 --> 00:48:26,360 Speaker 1: of things, just a few things, so we'll get to 941 00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:28,919 Speaker 1: those when we come back from the break. Stay tuned. 942 00:48:54,239 --> 00:48:58,840 Speaker 1: That not your heart beat Trouble joined Shawn's Army on Twitter, 943 00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:03,719 Speaker 1: where we get back to conservative values. Hey, welcome back 944 00:49:03,719 --> 00:49:06,320 Speaker 1: to the Sean Hannity Program. Everybody. I'm Jay Sekulo, co 945 00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:08,880 Speaker 1: hosting with my good friend, the former mayor of the 946 00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:12,440 Speaker 1: Great City of New York, Mayor Rudy Giuliani. But for 947 00:49:12,560 --> 00:49:18,080 Speaker 1: today's purposes, more importantly, I will say former U. S Attorney, 948 00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:22,280 Speaker 1: former senior member of the Nited States Department of Justice, 949 00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:26,279 Speaker 1: and my colleague and co council in a fairly important case, 950 00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:29,120 Speaker 1: a very important case that's going on right now, and 951 00:49:29,239 --> 00:49:31,000 Speaker 1: he is our co host today and we're both co 952 00:49:31,120 --> 00:49:33,840 Speaker 1: hosting for sean Mayor. I want to talk to you 953 00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:37,080 Speaker 1: about uh an issue that you and I are dealing with, 954 00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:40,920 Speaker 1: and will start this and let you uh pontificate some here, 955 00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:43,160 Speaker 1: but you're saying that's important. We have you and I've 956 00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:45,360 Speaker 1: handled a lot of media over the last couple of 957 00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:48,839 Speaker 1: days on the issue of what everybody wants to talk about. 958 00:49:48,880 --> 00:49:50,279 Speaker 1: And by the way, if you want to talk about it, 959 00:49:50,560 --> 00:49:53,000 Speaker 1: you can call us at eight one, seven, three to 960 00:49:53,160 --> 00:49:55,840 Speaker 1: six or eight nine one, Shawn. And that is the 961 00:49:55,880 --> 00:49:58,080 Speaker 1: issue of a presidential interview, and there's a lot of 962 00:49:58,120 --> 00:50:00,880 Speaker 1: issues that go into that, Rudy, A lot of discussion 963 00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:03,879 Speaker 1: that takes place, but a lot of legal analysis. Let's 964 00:50:03,920 --> 00:50:05,839 Speaker 1: kind of get everybody up to speed on where we are. 965 00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:08,600 Speaker 1: So there are two things they have to deal with, 966 00:50:08,760 --> 00:50:10,799 Speaker 1: as you know J because we deal with it every day. 967 00:50:11,200 --> 00:50:15,359 Speaker 1: One is just the normal representation of a person who 968 00:50:16,040 --> 00:50:19,240 Speaker 1: is in some way under investigation, although they're very fudgy 969 00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:23,680 Speaker 1: about what it's about. So far, no crime suggested Uh. 970 00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:26,600 Speaker 1: And he has rights and they have to be protected. Second, 971 00:50:26,640 --> 00:50:29,680 Speaker 1: he's the president of United States, so he has prerogatives 972 00:50:29,719 --> 00:50:31,800 Speaker 1: that have to be protected, not just for him but 973 00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:35,640 Speaker 1: the future presidents. So it's very, very complicated. And we 974 00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:38,360 Speaker 1: also have a client who wants to be heard. He 975 00:50:38,600 --> 00:50:41,759 Speaker 1: he has felt from the very beginning, and he's right, 976 00:50:41,840 --> 00:50:44,480 Speaker 1: he's done nothing wrong, that he should be able to 977 00:50:44,560 --> 00:50:47,560 Speaker 1: tell his story and they should believe him. On the 978 00:50:47,600 --> 00:50:50,480 Speaker 1: other hand, he also knows that he doesn't exactly have 979 00:50:50,640 --> 00:50:54,920 Speaker 1: an unbiased group of people. They have problem indicated to 980 00:50:55,120 --> 00:50:59,120 Speaker 1: us even in our discussions, a preference for Comey, a 981 00:50:59,200 --> 00:51:02,359 Speaker 1: preference for some of these other people. The whole root 982 00:51:02,440 --> 00:51:06,239 Speaker 1: of the investigation is corrupt. The going back to the 983 00:51:06,320 --> 00:51:12,520 Speaker 1: dossier and Uh struck people who hate him, counterintelligence investigation 984 00:51:12,560 --> 00:51:14,000 Speaker 1: that I can't figure out how they ever did it, 985 00:51:14,920 --> 00:51:18,120 Speaker 1: fies and wires that somebody should get prosecutors for perjury 986 00:51:18,239 --> 00:51:22,400 Speaker 1: and getting them Uh, all that chaints the investigation. So 987 00:51:23,440 --> 00:51:25,239 Speaker 1: we have a lot to consider. You know, I said 988 00:51:25,280 --> 00:51:29,680 Speaker 1: from the outset that the the corruption started this investigation. Actually, 989 00:51:29,719 --> 00:51:32,240 Speaker 1: if you look at the the the just the beginning 990 00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:35,719 Speaker 1: of the investigation, the inception of the investigation, the corruption 991 00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:39,040 Speaker 1: ran very deep. And then it continue to permeate. And 992 00:51:39,080 --> 00:51:40,799 Speaker 1: if you start just go through the what I call 993 00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:43,160 Speaker 1: the parade to horribles. I mean, just look at the issues. 994 00:51:43,239 --> 00:51:44,600 Speaker 1: This is why we you know, you and I keep 995 00:51:44,640 --> 00:51:48,160 Speaker 1: calling this an irregular investigation. Well, and that's being kind. 996 00:51:48,239 --> 00:51:50,920 Speaker 1: Actually that's that's me. That's being courteous, because look at 997 00:51:50,920 --> 00:51:53,799 Speaker 1: the irregularity. It starts with the dossier that even James 998 00:51:53,880 --> 00:51:57,920 Speaker 1: Comb he admits is silicious and unverified. We now find 999 00:51:57,960 --> 00:52:02,040 Speaker 1: out that the the author of AT was Christopher Steele, 1000 00:52:02,480 --> 00:52:05,120 Speaker 1: who just happened to be hired by Fusion GPS, who 1001 00:52:05,120 --> 00:52:08,160 Speaker 1: happened to be hired by the Clinton campaign, who was 1002 00:52:08,239 --> 00:52:11,560 Speaker 1: working with Bruce or the number four the United States 1003 00:52:11,600 --> 00:52:14,440 Speaker 1: Department of Justice wife Nelly or she was working for 1004 00:52:14,560 --> 00:52:16,920 Speaker 1: Fusion GPS and just happened to be working on the 1005 00:52:17,200 --> 00:52:19,960 Speaker 1: putting together the dossier. Now, okay, you could not make 1006 00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:22,279 Speaker 1: that up, except then it gets better, and that is 1007 00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:25,960 Speaker 1: you have the lead investigator and the conversations he had 1008 00:52:26,080 --> 00:52:29,360 Speaker 1: with Lisa Page, and you got the whole Strock Page incident. 1009 00:52:29,680 --> 00:52:32,400 Speaker 1: Then you got the insurance policy with Andy McKay. We 1010 00:52:32,520 --> 00:52:35,480 Speaker 1: must get it. What's the insurance policy? Now? A lot 1011 00:52:35,520 --> 00:52:37,600 Speaker 1: of the people that that were the FBI are now 1012 00:52:37,719 --> 00:52:40,520 Speaker 1: gone that we're involved in this. But the truth is 1013 00:52:40,920 --> 00:52:46,080 Speaker 1: that Peter Struck, the agent Rudy, was the lead investigator 1014 00:52:46,400 --> 00:52:48,839 Speaker 1: for the Special Counsel's office. And I keep talking about 1015 00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:51,160 Speaker 1: what happened to that evidence that they gathered even though 1016 00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:54,280 Speaker 1: he was you know, they'll say, well, he was subsequently fired. True, 1017 00:52:54,760 --> 00:52:56,839 Speaker 1: but what happened to that evidence that he gathered during 1018 00:52:56,920 --> 00:52:59,480 Speaker 1: that year and a half he was on the investigation 1019 00:52:59,480 --> 00:53:03,000 Speaker 1: because he predates the actual Mueler appointment. And we talked 1020 00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:04,760 Speaker 1: about in the law the proof of the poisonous treatment. 1021 00:53:05,120 --> 00:53:08,080 Speaker 1: It's serious when you you can't even the irregularities here 1022 00:53:08,120 --> 00:53:10,640 Speaker 1: are so in depth it's it's really hard to put 1023 00:53:10,680 --> 00:53:13,080 Speaker 1: your head around it. I would describe this as an 1024 00:53:13,160 --> 00:53:20,040 Speaker 1: investigation born in corruption. It's a corrupt dossier that is 1025 00:53:20,120 --> 00:53:24,120 Speaker 1: crying out for real investigation. If you're talking about collusion 1026 00:53:24,200 --> 00:53:29,399 Speaker 1: to effect an investigation paying a foreigner as Hillary did, 1027 00:53:30,080 --> 00:53:35,560 Speaker 1: to produce a false dossier on Donald Trump. It's so 1028 00:53:35,680 --> 00:53:38,200 Speaker 1: far the biggest crime that's been committed with regard to 1029 00:53:38,280 --> 00:53:42,440 Speaker 1: the election that is provable. And then that dossier is 1030 00:53:42,640 --> 00:53:45,799 Speaker 1: used as the basis for the wire taps, that fis 1031 00:53:45,880 --> 00:53:49,400 Speaker 1: the wires, and then when they know it's false, they 1032 00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:51,480 Speaker 1: don't correct it. They go back to the judge and 1033 00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:55,719 Speaker 1: they keep repeating it. Now, some judge has got to 1034 00:53:55,719 --> 00:53:58,000 Speaker 1: be going out of his mind, even worse than Judge Ellis, 1035 00:53:58,600 --> 00:54:03,120 Speaker 1: because that judge was made of and the five process 1036 00:54:03,760 --> 00:54:07,480 Speaker 1: was completely made a mockery of by this false UH dossier. 1037 00:54:08,120 --> 00:54:13,080 Speaker 1: So it spawns an investigation. The investigation produces no evidence 1038 00:54:13,239 --> 00:54:19,520 Speaker 1: of anything involving President Trump and Russians, and somehow Comey 1039 00:54:19,640 --> 00:54:23,239 Speaker 1: comes along and makes it into a criminal investigation. And 1040 00:54:23,320 --> 00:54:26,440 Speaker 1: now we know that the criminal investigation itself. Of course, 1041 00:54:26,520 --> 00:54:28,840 Speaker 1: we also have to put in there that James Comey 1042 00:54:29,280 --> 00:54:32,400 Speaker 1: said that he created this memo after his meeting with 1043 00:54:32,600 --> 00:54:35,680 Speaker 1: the president, leaked it to the press for the sole 1044 00:54:35,719 --> 00:54:39,920 Speaker 1: appointment of getting a special counsel, which was miraculously appointed. 1045 00:54:40,200 --> 00:54:42,000 Speaker 1: Now could you imagine, and you were a U S 1046 00:54:42,040 --> 00:54:45,040 Speaker 1: attorney Rudy, and you were also a high ranking Justice 1047 00:54:45,080 --> 00:54:47,960 Speaker 1: Department official. I worked for Treasury and beginning my legal career. 1048 00:54:48,080 --> 00:54:49,719 Speaker 1: Could you imagine if an I R. S Agent or 1049 00:54:49,719 --> 00:54:51,799 Speaker 1: an FBI agent were to release their three O two 1050 00:54:51,880 --> 00:54:55,080 Speaker 1: form to the press. What would happen to those agents, 1051 00:54:55,280 --> 00:54:59,600 Speaker 1: those who have been indicted and prosecuted and convicted. It's 1052 00:54:59,600 --> 00:55:03,400 Speaker 1: a a crime to do it. And uh, in this 1053 00:55:03,560 --> 00:55:08,879 Speaker 1: particular case, it wasn't accidental. This was a planned, completely 1054 00:55:09,440 --> 00:55:12,880 Speaker 1: thought out, corrupt scheme on the part of Comey. So 1055 00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:15,080 Speaker 1: it didn't come from him. It came from this professor. 1056 00:55:15,640 --> 00:55:19,960 Speaker 1: I mean, imagine the skullduggery of this man. He and 1057 00:55:20,160 --> 00:55:21,840 Speaker 1: then he wants us to believe that the memo is 1058 00:55:21,880 --> 00:55:26,680 Speaker 1: accurate about the Flynn conversation. He he wants us to 1059 00:55:26,719 --> 00:55:30,120 Speaker 1: believe that at the time of the Flynn conversation he 1060 00:55:30,280 --> 00:55:34,200 Speaker 1: felt that he was being obstructed. However, he never told 1061 00:55:34,200 --> 00:55:37,080 Speaker 1: anybody about it. He never reported it. If he didn't report, 1062 00:55:37,120 --> 00:55:40,840 Speaker 1: it's to misprison of a felony, because as an FBI director, 1063 00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:44,640 Speaker 1: he had to report it. He then he testifies under 1064 00:55:44,719 --> 00:55:49,040 Speaker 1: oath after it and before he releases the memo that 1065 00:55:49,200 --> 00:55:51,520 Speaker 1: he had not been obstructed in any way, you can 1066 00:55:51,640 --> 00:55:55,040 Speaker 1: have Jared on later, Greg Jared, he says, it's not 1067 00:55:55,280 --> 00:55:59,880 Speaker 1: happened in my experience under oath. Right, he's now contradicting. 1068 00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:03,200 Speaker 1: In other words, he can lied under oath. So they 1069 00:56:03,320 --> 00:56:06,680 Speaker 1: want this guy to be the arbiter of truth and 1070 00:56:06,719 --> 00:56:10,040 Speaker 1: they're not investigating him for his crimes. I mean, this 1071 00:56:10,200 --> 00:56:15,520 Speaker 1: is really corrupt. Supposedly there's an office. Yeah, well, there's 1072 00:56:15,520 --> 00:56:20,399 Speaker 1: the Inspector General's report that is supposedly coming involving James Comy. 1073 00:56:20,440 --> 00:56:22,399 Speaker 1: We haven't seen it yet. Then I'm hearing and you're 1074 00:56:22,440 --> 00:56:25,200 Speaker 1: hearing the same things we're hearing. But September October, so 1075 00:56:25,360 --> 00:56:27,200 Speaker 1: that may come out and we'll see. The last one 1076 00:56:27,280 --> 00:56:30,560 Speaker 1: was pretty tough on Andrew McCabe. Interestingly, he's no longer 1077 00:56:30,600 --> 00:56:32,640 Speaker 1: with the Department of Justice. James Comy is no longer 1078 00:56:32,680 --> 00:56:37,239 Speaker 1: with the Department of Justice. Ribicky's no longer with the department. Yeah, 1079 00:56:37,239 --> 00:56:38,759 Speaker 1: I mean you get that. There's been quite a lit 1080 00:56:38,760 --> 00:56:41,400 Speaker 1: at least a page all gone. Yeah. Comey wants us 1081 00:56:41,440 --> 00:56:46,160 Speaker 1: to believe that Trump had this conversation with him about Flynt, 1082 00:56:46,719 --> 00:56:49,240 Speaker 1: that he felt that there was an obstruction of justice, 1083 00:56:49,840 --> 00:56:54,000 Speaker 1: a serious federal felony. But he never reported it, never 1084 00:56:54,080 --> 00:56:57,799 Speaker 1: told McCabe about it, because McCabe also testified that there 1085 00:56:57,840 --> 00:57:00,920 Speaker 1: was no obstruction as he did, and that he testified 1086 00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:04,840 Speaker 1: falsely under oath. I mean, he can't he can't be 1087 00:57:04,920 --> 00:57:08,440 Speaker 1: obstructed three months later. He can't remember the conversation three 1088 00:57:08,520 --> 00:57:10,480 Speaker 1: months later and say, oh my god, he tried to 1089 00:57:10,560 --> 00:57:14,279 Speaker 1: obstruct me. I mean, this is so phony. If it 1090 00:57:14,360 --> 00:57:17,840 Speaker 1: weren't for the fact that the president has these CNN 1091 00:57:17,960 --> 00:57:21,000 Speaker 1: and MSNBC and all these people that are just dying 1092 00:57:21,080 --> 00:57:24,360 Speaker 1: to interpret everything against him, people would be demanding an 1093 00:57:24,400 --> 00:57:27,000 Speaker 1: investigation to call me. You know, it's interesting because if 1094 00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:28,240 Speaker 1: you look at the sing i' we're gonna talk with 1095 00:57:28,280 --> 00:57:30,360 Speaker 1: you mentioned Greg Jared, our friend Greg Jared. It's got 1096 00:57:30,360 --> 00:57:31,680 Speaker 1: a great book out by the way, the Russian Hoax, 1097 00:57:31,800 --> 00:57:34,560 Speaker 1: and everybody needs to be reading this a great, great book. 1098 00:57:35,240 --> 00:57:38,640 Speaker 1: I'm underlining it. I bet you are, and I got 1099 00:57:38,680 --> 00:57:42,120 Speaker 1: an early copy so we all have. Uh, let me 1100 00:57:42,200 --> 00:57:44,040 Speaker 1: say that we're gonna get into that with Greg. I 1101 00:57:44,120 --> 00:57:45,920 Speaker 1: want to talk about a lot of that because it's important. 1102 00:57:46,120 --> 00:57:48,240 Speaker 1: But you know, people need to understand also that we 1103 00:57:48,360 --> 00:57:51,240 Speaker 1: are trying to handle and you understand this. You you've 1104 00:57:51,280 --> 00:57:53,800 Speaker 1: got competing interests when when you talk about an interview, 1105 00:57:54,160 --> 00:57:56,920 Speaker 1: so that the question today is the interview of the president. 1106 00:57:56,960 --> 00:57:58,600 Speaker 1: Will the president s admit to an interview? And I 1107 00:57:58,680 --> 00:58:01,040 Speaker 1: want to be very clear in this. We have raised 1108 00:58:01,480 --> 00:58:04,280 Speaker 1: and have have raised this really since the beginning of 1109 00:58:04,360 --> 00:58:06,200 Speaker 1: my representation, which is going back over a year now, 1110 00:58:06,560 --> 00:58:09,680 Speaker 1: that there are significant Article two issues, I mean really 1111 00:58:09,720 --> 00:58:13,840 Speaker 1: significant Article two issues. Do you think a U. S. Attorney, 1112 00:58:13,880 --> 00:58:17,080 Speaker 1: for instance, should be able to subpoena a president of 1113 00:58:17,120 --> 00:58:19,680 Speaker 1: the United States to discuss the reason why he made 1114 00:58:19,720 --> 00:58:22,400 Speaker 1: a policy move or a decision to fire a subordinate 1115 00:58:22,960 --> 00:58:24,920 Speaker 1: I don't. If that's the case, well then why couldn't 1116 00:58:25,040 --> 00:58:27,680 Speaker 1: every U. S. Attorney in every district who has a 1117 00:58:27,720 --> 00:58:30,720 Speaker 1: beef with a particular president started issuing subpoenas and that 1118 00:58:30,800 --> 00:58:34,560 Speaker 1: the president, instead of running the government, ends up responding 1119 00:58:34,600 --> 00:58:36,280 Speaker 1: to subpoena's. That's not the way it's supposed to be. 1120 00:58:36,280 --> 00:58:38,400 Speaker 1: Our founders knew that, and that's why they have political 1121 00:58:38,480 --> 00:58:40,920 Speaker 1: process in there. It's not a legal process. They're not 1122 00:58:40,920 --> 00:58:43,360 Speaker 1: gonna be a trial here, but people have to understand 1123 00:58:43,400 --> 00:58:46,000 Speaker 1: that we have to go through a real process of 1124 00:58:46,200 --> 00:58:50,160 Speaker 1: analysis in coming to these conclusions. Rudy about whether what 1125 00:58:50,240 --> 00:58:53,800 Speaker 1: our recommendation is we regarding an interview. Obviously, when the 1126 00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:57,160 Speaker 1: Special Council sent us the last proposal, obviously we didn't 1127 00:58:57,160 --> 00:58:59,120 Speaker 1: accept it. So we counter. We're not going to get 1128 00:58:59,120 --> 00:59:01,160 Speaker 1: into the contents of that counter that would be appropriate. 1129 00:59:01,600 --> 00:59:03,880 Speaker 1: But there's a lot of factors that go into this. 1130 00:59:04,800 --> 00:59:06,200 Speaker 1: There are a lot of factors go into it, and 1131 00:59:06,880 --> 00:59:10,960 Speaker 1: not the least of which is you have to evaluate 1132 00:59:11,040 --> 00:59:13,480 Speaker 1: the good faith of the people who are seeking to 1133 00:59:13,600 --> 00:59:16,840 Speaker 1: question him. Do you really have a chance of persuading them, 1134 00:59:17,320 --> 00:59:20,120 Speaker 1: or have they made up their minds already and they're 1135 00:59:20,160 --> 00:59:22,960 Speaker 1: just trying to set him up. A great example we 1136 00:59:23,040 --> 00:59:26,400 Speaker 1: talked about flynn Is Flynt, the President of the United States, 1137 00:59:26,440 --> 00:59:29,640 Speaker 1: says he never had that conversation with Comey. Comey says 1138 00:59:29,680 --> 00:59:32,160 Speaker 1: that he did. You know, both of us would be 1139 00:59:32,200 --> 00:59:36,720 Speaker 1: perfectly comfortable if he had had the conversation, right, He 1140 00:59:36,760 --> 00:59:40,040 Speaker 1: said nothing wrong. He didn't say you must drop the case, 1141 00:59:40,080 --> 00:59:42,880 Speaker 1: which you could do. He said you should think about it, 1142 00:59:42,960 --> 00:59:45,560 Speaker 1: you should give him a break, which many people have 1143 00:59:45,640 --> 00:59:48,200 Speaker 1: said to me when I was a prosecutor. We know 1144 00:59:48,400 --> 00:59:50,479 Speaker 1: Comy didn't think of it as obstruction because he would 1145 00:59:50,480 --> 00:59:54,040 Speaker 1: have reported it. So we have a very good defense 1146 00:59:54,400 --> 00:59:57,160 Speaker 1: on the facts. But the fact is the president insists 1147 00:59:57,440 --> 01:00:00,240 Speaker 1: I never had that conversation. So now we put him, 1148 01:00:00,520 --> 01:00:02,760 Speaker 1: We put him in front of we put him in 1149 01:00:02,760 --> 01:00:05,160 Speaker 1: front of Mueller. Mueller asked him that question. He says, no, 1150 01:00:05,280 --> 01:00:08,320 Speaker 1: I didn't have the conversation, and then they say, oh, 1151 01:00:08,600 --> 01:00:12,440 Speaker 1: we believe the liar Comey now here. Here we're almost 1152 01:00:12,440 --> 01:00:15,240 Speaker 1: in a disadvantage because there's no trial. They'd never charge 1153 01:00:15,320 --> 01:00:17,880 Speaker 1: him in an indictment with it because Comey couldn't withstand 1154 01:00:17,880 --> 01:00:21,520 Speaker 1: cross examination. He gave a private prior statement under oath 1155 01:00:21,760 --> 01:00:23,600 Speaker 1: contrary to that. All Right, we're gonna be back with 1156 01:00:23,640 --> 01:00:26,160 Speaker 1: a lot more. I'm j Sekulo in with Rudy Giuliani. 1157 01:00:26,200 --> 01:00:28,240 Speaker 1: We are hosting for Sean Hannity. He's taking a break 1158 01:00:28,280 --> 01:00:31,680 Speaker 1: for one day. They gave him a day off, Linda 1159 01:00:31,760 --> 01:00:34,200 Speaker 1: gave him a day. Yeah, we're gonna take calls also 1160 01:00:34,200 --> 01:00:37,680 Speaker 1: an eight one, seven, three to six. That's eight hundred 1161 01:00:37,840 --> 01:00:41,000 Speaker 1: nine for one Sean. And there is a lot to 1162 01:00:41,080 --> 01:00:43,560 Speaker 1: talk about, as we discussed, not just the issues of 1163 01:00:43,640 --> 01:00:46,240 Speaker 1: what's facing the country and the president. We're gonna talk 1164 01:00:46,240 --> 01:00:48,800 Speaker 1: a little bit when we come back about some strategy. 1165 01:00:49,280 --> 01:00:51,720 Speaker 1: Sometimes it's important to deal with strategy, and let me 1166 01:00:51,760 --> 01:00:53,600 Speaker 1: tell you something. The Mayor and I are doing a 1167 01:00:53,680 --> 01:00:59,640 Speaker 1: lot of strategizing, a lot of strategicy no president bushes. 1168 01:00:59,800 --> 01:01:03,240 Speaker 1: It's like on another president because look, I mean again, 1169 01:01:03,320 --> 01:01:05,080 Speaker 1: as we've been talking to you, there's a lot to 1170 01:01:05,240 --> 01:01:08,320 Speaker 1: that lot goes into a decision about allowing a president 1171 01:01:08,400 --> 01:01:10,680 Speaker 1: to be interviewed. And we're gonna talk more about that, 1172 01:01:10,920 --> 01:01:12,640 Speaker 1: and we'll get to a lot of your questions and 1173 01:01:12,680 --> 01:01:15,280 Speaker 1: comments as well. We joined by a lot of great guests, 1174 01:01:15,400 --> 01:01:18,560 Speaker 1: great book by Greg Jarrett. We'll be back with more 1175 01:01:18,680 --> 01:01:22,760 Speaker 1: on the Sean Hannity Show in just a moment. Welcome 1176 01:01:22,760 --> 01:01:24,720 Speaker 1: back to the Johan Hannity Jean Jay said Kilo, chief 1177 01:01:24,720 --> 01:01:26,600 Speaker 1: Council of the American Center for Lawn Justice, Council for 1178 01:01:26,640 --> 01:01:28,480 Speaker 1: the President of the United States with me. Co hosting 1179 01:01:28,640 --> 01:01:32,040 Speaker 1: is Mayor Rudy Giuliani. More important, former U S Attorney 1180 01:01:32,440 --> 01:01:36,000 Speaker 1: Rudy Giuliani and senior Justice Department official. There's something that 1181 01:01:36,520 --> 01:01:39,320 Speaker 1: we've got a lot more, but there's something we want 1182 01:01:39,360 --> 01:01:41,160 Speaker 1: to get to and I think it's important for people 1183 01:01:41,160 --> 01:01:44,600 Speaker 1: to understand this as the decisions are made on interviews 1184 01:01:44,720 --> 01:01:46,640 Speaker 1: or not. We've we've told you what our inclination is 1185 01:01:46,720 --> 01:01:48,400 Speaker 1: and that is you know, we don't think they've met 1186 01:01:48,480 --> 01:01:51,120 Speaker 1: that at this point the threshold at all. And I 1187 01:01:51,200 --> 01:01:53,480 Speaker 1: think constitutionally they don't have the right to interview in 1188 01:01:53,560 --> 01:01:55,440 Speaker 1: the first place. There are a lot of other factors 1189 01:01:55,520 --> 01:01:57,240 Speaker 1: that go into this, but there's something that we do 1190 01:01:57,360 --> 01:01:59,720 Speaker 1: need to get very clear. Rudy. I think what we 1191 01:01:59,760 --> 01:02:01,720 Speaker 1: have to get clear as the fact that a lot 1192 01:02:01,760 --> 01:02:03,959 Speaker 1: of people interpret it this way. Well, if he's telling 1193 01:02:04,000 --> 01:02:06,640 Speaker 1: the truth, why wouldn't he just go in and testify, Hey, 1194 01:02:07,520 --> 01:02:10,240 Speaker 1: welcome to the real world. The fact is he is 1195 01:02:10,280 --> 01:02:13,720 Speaker 1: telling the truth. He has done nothing wrong. All these 1196 01:02:13,880 --> 01:02:16,240 Speaker 1: months and months, all these people going after him, they 1197 01:02:16,280 --> 01:02:19,040 Speaker 1: haven't suggested one thing he did wrong, not a single thing, 1198 01:02:19,360 --> 01:02:23,920 Speaker 1: no crime, no unethical conduct. The reason we have to 1199 01:02:24,000 --> 01:02:26,720 Speaker 1: worry about it is one we're giving away prerogatives of 1200 01:02:26,760 --> 01:02:29,200 Speaker 1: the president and the president and the and the president 1201 01:02:29,280 --> 01:02:31,960 Speaker 1: and his and his own counsel. Has to be heard 1202 01:02:32,040 --> 01:02:37,120 Speaker 1: on that second. They were walking him into a possible 1203 01:02:37,200 --> 01:02:40,680 Speaker 1: perjury trap, not because he isn't telling the truth, but 1204 01:02:40,800 --> 01:02:43,800 Speaker 1: because somebody else isn't telling the truth who they would credit, 1205 01:02:43,920 --> 01:02:46,320 Speaker 1: namely Comy. So if he says I never had the 1206 01:02:46,400 --> 01:02:49,480 Speaker 1: conversation with Flynn, and they elect to believe Comey, they 1207 01:02:49,520 --> 01:02:52,240 Speaker 1: can write down, we believe he committed perjury. And now 1208 01:02:52,400 --> 01:02:54,160 Speaker 1: we have walked him into that, even though it's one 1209 01:02:54,200 --> 01:02:56,320 Speaker 1: person's working against another person's worring and one's got a 1210 01:02:56,360 --> 01:02:58,320 Speaker 1: memo and one said that didn't happen. Here's the here's 1211 01:02:58,320 --> 01:03:00,560 Speaker 1: the problem with all Let's be just one. Here's the 1212 01:03:00,600 --> 01:03:02,480 Speaker 1: problem with all this. Why would you do this, Why 1213 01:03:02,560 --> 01:03:05,080 Speaker 1: would you submit any client, let alone the President of 1214 01:03:05,080 --> 01:03:06,960 Speaker 1: the United States to this kind of situation. But when 1215 01:03:07,000 --> 01:03:09,120 Speaker 1: you add to it the presidency of the United States, 1216 01:03:09,240 --> 01:03:10,880 Speaker 1: And it's not just, by the way, about this president, 1217 01:03:10,920 --> 01:03:14,000 Speaker 1: it's about future presidents. Because what we design, what we 1218 01:03:14,120 --> 01:03:18,400 Speaker 1: recommend to President Trump impacts future presidents. And that's and 1219 01:03:18,480 --> 01:03:20,880 Speaker 1: that's where the Article two in the Constitution are so 1220 01:03:21,080 --> 01:03:23,240 Speaker 1: critical here. And I don't think we can ignore that 1221 01:03:23,440 --> 01:03:25,960 Speaker 1: for one single moment. I think we do that at 1222 01:03:25,960 --> 01:03:27,720 Speaker 1: our own peril. I think that's right and and and 1223 01:03:27,880 --> 01:03:30,160 Speaker 1: if if we have to contest it and fight it, 1224 01:03:30,480 --> 01:03:32,600 Speaker 1: h we have a good chance of winning it and 1225 01:03:32,720 --> 01:03:35,720 Speaker 1: vindicating the presidency. The reality is, I will say this 1226 01:03:35,880 --> 01:03:38,480 Speaker 1: over and over again, if this would just simply can 1227 01:03:38,560 --> 01:03:40,320 Speaker 1: he go in and tell the truth. Of course he can. 1228 01:03:40,480 --> 01:03:43,400 Speaker 1: He's got nothing to hide. We have stipulated with them. 1229 01:03:43,440 --> 01:03:45,640 Speaker 1: We are willing to stipulate with him what he's gonna say. 1230 01:03:45,960 --> 01:03:48,520 Speaker 1: They know what he's gonna say. Well, we produced millions 1231 01:03:48,560 --> 01:03:50,920 Speaker 1: of pages of documents, thirty two wits and it's been 1232 01:03:50,960 --> 01:03:54,480 Speaker 1: it's been the most transparent inquiry of this type when 1233 01:03:54,520 --> 01:03:57,000 Speaker 1: involving the office of the presidency in history. No one's 1234 01:03:57,040 --> 01:03:59,720 Speaker 1: done it like this. Having said that, there are also 1235 01:03:59,840 --> 01:04:02,360 Speaker 1: the threshold constitutional standards that have not been met in 1236 01:04:02,400 --> 01:04:05,200 Speaker 1: our view at this point, and that certainly raised not 1237 01:04:05,360 --> 01:04:08,360 Speaker 1: only serious legal arguments, but I think puts the onus, 1238 01:04:08,720 --> 01:04:11,920 Speaker 1: not on us quite frankly. Uh. And I don't believe 1239 01:04:12,000 --> 01:04:14,040 Speaker 1: a court. I hope we don't have to go that route. 1240 01:04:14,080 --> 01:04:16,120 Speaker 1: We might not have to if we do, we do. Uh. 1241 01:04:16,800 --> 01:04:18,360 Speaker 1: I don't think the Supreme Court of the United States 1242 01:04:18,440 --> 01:04:21,120 Speaker 1: would say the president being compelled to testify it with 1243 01:04:21,280 --> 01:04:24,720 Speaker 1: regard to actions he took within his constitutional authority. That 1244 01:04:24,720 --> 01:04:27,200 Speaker 1: would set a horrible president back in mort a moment. Hey, 1245 01:04:27,240 --> 01:04:29,600 Speaker 1: welcome back to the broadcast everyone, Jay Sekulo and may 1246 01:04:29,680 --> 01:04:32,280 Speaker 1: Rooty Giuliani in for Sean Hannity, and we are joined 1247 01:04:32,400 --> 01:04:34,479 Speaker 1: right now by someone that knows a little bit about 1248 01:04:34,520 --> 01:04:37,520 Speaker 1: the topic we've been discussing, among many other things, but 1249 01:04:37,640 --> 01:04:40,960 Speaker 1: especially about this one, and that is our friend Fox 1250 01:04:41,040 --> 01:04:44,680 Speaker 1: News phenomenal legal analyst Greg Jared, who's got a great 1251 01:04:44,680 --> 01:04:46,360 Speaker 1: book out by the way, and we're talking about a 1252 01:04:46,440 --> 01:04:49,240 Speaker 1: must read, The Russian Hoax books. Done pretty well there, 1253 01:04:49,280 --> 01:04:52,360 Speaker 1: Greg number one on the New York Times bestseller list 1254 01:04:52,480 --> 01:04:56,800 Speaker 1: for two weeks in a row so far. Yeah, you know, 1255 01:04:58,800 --> 01:05:01,600 Speaker 1: it's got to give him a high aid fever at 1256 01:05:01,640 --> 01:05:03,520 Speaker 1: the Times. So you know, you know, the issues we're 1257 01:05:03,560 --> 01:05:05,400 Speaker 1: facing right now is a lawyer's force, and you know, 1258 01:05:05,760 --> 01:05:08,000 Speaker 1: and people are saying, why can't you just say no, 1259 01:05:08,160 --> 01:05:10,560 Speaker 1: We're not gonna do it. And look, there's there's there's 1260 01:05:10,640 --> 01:05:14,120 Speaker 1: process in this, and there's considerations you have as one 1261 01:05:14,120 --> 01:05:15,680 Speaker 1: of the reasons that you got a client that says 1262 01:05:15,720 --> 01:05:18,880 Speaker 1: he wants to do it, and and you know, so ultimately, 1263 01:05:19,240 --> 01:05:20,880 Speaker 1: you know, I said this to our French John and 1264 01:05:21,000 --> 01:05:23,040 Speaker 1: and he said, well, why can't you just say no? 1265 01:05:23,240 --> 01:05:25,200 Speaker 1: I said, well, if I say no and Rudy says no, 1266 01:05:25,360 --> 01:05:27,360 Speaker 1: that's great, but the client has to agree. It's the 1267 01:05:27,360 --> 01:05:29,920 Speaker 1: way it works. But you laid out the case very 1268 01:05:29,960 --> 01:05:32,280 Speaker 1: strongly in your book about the Russian hoax. Le, let's 1269 01:05:32,280 --> 01:05:34,280 Speaker 1: give the top line on that kind of what do 1270 01:05:34,400 --> 01:05:36,680 Speaker 1: you see as the If you're gonna let name the 1271 01:05:36,760 --> 01:05:38,560 Speaker 1: top four of the what I call the parade of 1272 01:05:38,600 --> 01:05:41,400 Speaker 1: horribles here, what would you say, Well, I would say 1273 01:05:41,640 --> 01:05:45,200 Speaker 1: that once people read the book, they will be absolutely 1274 01:05:45,280 --> 01:05:48,840 Speaker 1: convinced that top officials that the Department of Justice and 1275 01:05:49,400 --> 01:05:54,000 Speaker 1: the FBI abuse their positions of power to subvert the 1276 01:05:54,080 --> 01:05:59,200 Speaker 1: rule of law and undermine the democratic process. They cleared 1277 01:05:59,320 --> 01:06:03,720 Speaker 1: Hillary clin even though they knew that there was overwhelming, 1278 01:06:03,840 --> 01:06:07,000 Speaker 1: compelling evidence of her criminality. Comy wrote it down not 1279 01:06:07,160 --> 01:06:11,920 Speaker 1: once but twice, and then had his confederate Lisa Page 1280 01:06:11,960 --> 01:06:15,080 Speaker 1: and Peter struct sit down a Structs computer and expunge 1281 01:06:15,240 --> 01:06:19,120 Speaker 1: the language that was so incriminating. And on the very 1282 01:06:19,280 --> 01:06:23,280 Speaker 1: day that Comey stands in front of television cameras announcing 1283 01:06:23,800 --> 01:06:28,520 Speaker 1: that he's absolving Hillary Clinton because no reasonable prosecutor would 1284 01:06:28,520 --> 01:06:31,920 Speaker 1: bring a case which was preposterous, Americans didn't know what 1285 01:06:32,120 --> 01:06:37,200 Speaker 1: was happening that moment. In a building in London, Comey's 1286 01:06:37,280 --> 01:06:42,280 Speaker 1: FBI is meeting with Christopher Steeve, who's on the FBI payroll, 1287 01:06:42,600 --> 01:06:48,160 Speaker 1: Hillary Clinton payroll. He composed the totally fabricated dossier, the 1288 01:06:48,240 --> 01:06:52,240 Speaker 1: anti truck, alleging collusion that Putin and Trump had been 1289 01:06:52,320 --> 01:06:56,440 Speaker 1: colluding for five to eight years before the two thousand 1290 01:06:56,920 --> 01:07:00,200 Speaker 1: and sixteen election. It was utterly preposterous. You know, Greg 1291 01:07:00,400 --> 01:07:02,920 Speaker 1: raises Mayor the issue here because I think this is 1292 01:07:03,000 --> 01:07:05,640 Speaker 1: a one that sometimes gets lost in this process. When 1293 01:07:05,760 --> 01:07:08,520 Speaker 1: when when the former FBI director, then the FBI Director 1294 01:07:08,600 --> 01:07:11,320 Speaker 1: James Comby, makes the statement, the grand pronouncement, that no 1295 01:07:11,480 --> 01:07:15,120 Speaker 1: reasonable prosecutor would would move forward on a prosecution. First 1296 01:07:15,120 --> 01:07:16,880 Speaker 1: of all, he was the director of the FBI that 1297 01:07:17,480 --> 01:07:21,480 Speaker 1: even pronouncing on that. Uh, No FBI director in my memory, 1298 01:07:21,560 --> 01:07:24,360 Speaker 1: has ever given a press conference and described the facts 1299 01:07:24,400 --> 01:07:27,880 Speaker 1: of a case in which he's declining prosecution. And he 1300 01:07:27,960 --> 01:07:30,440 Speaker 1: doesn't get to decline prosecution. Now, I did when I 1301 01:07:30,520 --> 01:07:32,640 Speaker 1: was U S attorney, not him. I would have gone 1302 01:07:32,680 --> 01:07:34,360 Speaker 1: totally nuts if he did it to me when I 1303 01:07:34,520 --> 01:07:36,760 Speaker 1: was U S attorney, And it's the reason he probably 1304 01:07:36,800 --> 01:07:40,960 Speaker 1: got him fired. Yeah, immediately usurping the power, as you 1305 01:07:41,080 --> 01:07:43,919 Speaker 1: point out, Mayor of the Attorney General. When I read 1306 01:07:43,920 --> 01:07:46,240 Speaker 1: your book, Greg, I come away with the falling they're 1307 01:07:46,280 --> 01:07:49,560 Speaker 1: investigating in one way or another. President Nited States now 1308 01:07:49,640 --> 01:07:54,040 Speaker 1: for two years without a single suggestion that he committed 1309 01:07:54,040 --> 01:07:56,120 Speaker 1: any crime. That's right, we don't know what the crime is. 1310 01:07:56,160 --> 01:07:58,760 Speaker 1: An investigation in search of a crime. On the other hand, 1311 01:07:58,920 --> 01:08:03,200 Speaker 1: we have all these possible crimes committed by by Comey, uh, 1312 01:08:03,480 --> 01:08:07,760 Speaker 1: leaking the memo, lying under oath about not being obstructed, 1313 01:08:07,880 --> 01:08:10,960 Speaker 1: or lying later about feeling he was obstructed, miss prison 1314 01:08:11,000 --> 01:08:15,960 Speaker 1: of felony, the dossier in which it is clearly untrue, 1315 01:08:16,040 --> 01:08:19,200 Speaker 1: and they go ahead and have three fiser applications in 1316 01:08:19,280 --> 01:08:21,479 Speaker 1: which they don't explain to the judge that it's untrue, 1317 01:08:21,640 --> 01:08:24,920 Speaker 1: that it's problem. Why isn't this being investigated it should be. 1318 01:08:25,080 --> 01:08:27,040 Speaker 1: I mean this is, you know, sort of alice through 1319 01:08:27,120 --> 01:08:31,479 Speaker 1: the looking glass. Everything's backwards and upside down. Uh, you know, 1320 01:08:31,640 --> 01:08:33,360 Speaker 1: just look at the dossier as you point out a 1321 01:08:33,760 --> 01:08:38,920 Speaker 1: goo by Comey and others. Uh, they used a false document, 1322 01:08:39,000 --> 01:08:41,599 Speaker 1: they knew it was false. They deceived the judges, They 1323 01:08:41,680 --> 01:08:44,439 Speaker 1: concealed evidence in the case that is a fraud on 1324 01:08:44,479 --> 01:08:46,280 Speaker 1: the quarters. You know, how would like to be that 1325 01:08:46,320 --> 01:08:49,240 Speaker 1: fiser judge. Oh, I'd be angry as can be. And 1326 01:08:49,439 --> 01:08:52,320 Speaker 1: they pulled that on him because it it is The 1327 01:08:52,439 --> 01:08:56,040 Speaker 1: biggest felony is abusive power, deprivation of rights under color 1328 01:08:56,120 --> 01:09:00,120 Speaker 1: of law. You cannot use your position in government to 1329 01:09:00,280 --> 01:09:05,840 Speaker 1: deprive somebody Carter Page and President Trump of their constitutional rights. 1330 01:09:06,360 --> 01:09:10,040 Speaker 1: It's also perjury. I mean, they signed a document uh 1331 01:09:10,520 --> 01:09:13,760 Speaker 1: vouching for its authenticity and veracity when they knew it 1332 01:09:13,920 --> 01:09:19,200 Speaker 1: was a lie. Why wouldn't Sessions or Rosenstein, Why wouldn't 1333 01:09:19,200 --> 01:09:21,920 Speaker 1: they start an investigation of this? What is stopping them? What? 1334 01:09:22,320 --> 01:09:25,800 Speaker 1: It almost seems like, you know, here here, there's there 1335 01:09:25,840 --> 01:09:30,360 Speaker 1: are They can actually write a subpoena and mentioned crimes, crimes, 1336 01:09:30,560 --> 01:09:33,160 Speaker 1: they'll say they got this us. They went to a U. 1337 01:09:33,280 --> 01:09:35,800 Speaker 1: S attorney in Utah. That's gonna be looking at all 1338 01:09:35,840 --> 01:09:37,479 Speaker 1: of this. That's what's kind of there. That's their way 1339 01:09:37,520 --> 01:09:40,280 Speaker 1: to handle Ahad. Yeah, I mean, and I don't have 1340 01:09:40,520 --> 01:09:43,040 Speaker 1: much trust in that. I don't know how you do 1341 01:09:43,120 --> 01:09:47,479 Speaker 1: an investigation in Utah of people and activities that took 1342 01:09:47,560 --> 01:09:50,880 Speaker 1: place in Washington, d C. But nevertheless, you know, I 1343 01:09:50,920 --> 01:09:53,479 Speaker 1: think Jeff Sessions, who is a very nice man, has 1344 01:09:53,560 --> 01:09:58,120 Speaker 1: been the most feckless Attorney general in my lifetime. You know, 1345 01:09:58,320 --> 01:10:00,040 Speaker 1: I don't think he's in charge. I think he's in 1346 01:10:00,120 --> 01:10:02,559 Speaker 1: a back room playing with legos or something. The guy 1347 01:10:02,680 --> 01:10:06,760 Speaker 1: who's really the Attorney General is Rod Rosenstein In he 1348 01:10:06,920 --> 01:10:12,200 Speaker 1: has every reason to continue to obstruct Congress high documents 1349 01:10:12,439 --> 01:10:16,400 Speaker 1: and cover it up because he's part of the wrongdoing. 1350 01:10:16,560 --> 01:10:21,000 Speaker 1: He signed the fourth, the third renewal of the FISA 1351 01:10:21,080 --> 01:10:24,439 Speaker 1: document knowing that he didn't have new evidence in the 1352 01:10:24,520 --> 01:10:27,560 Speaker 1: law requires new evidence, and he also knew that it 1353 01:10:27,680 --> 01:10:31,560 Speaker 1: was Fabrica well. He also produced a memorandum recommending the 1354 01:10:31,640 --> 01:10:34,639 Speaker 1: termination of James Comi. Right, talk about conflicts of interest. 1355 01:10:34,760 --> 01:10:39,160 Speaker 1: The federal regulations not to mention ethical rules that governed 1356 01:10:39,240 --> 01:10:41,880 Speaker 1: lawyers say you cannot be a prosecutor and a witness 1357 01:10:41,920 --> 01:10:44,519 Speaker 1: in the same case. The actual actual seemed to be 1358 01:10:44,960 --> 01:10:47,040 Speaker 1: a lot. Let's say they get a little murky when 1359 01:10:47,080 --> 01:10:50,920 Speaker 1: it's involving this. The actual basis for the Independent Council 1360 01:10:51,240 --> 01:10:54,680 Speaker 1: is that memo of of Comys and the idea that 1361 01:10:54,760 --> 01:10:57,920 Speaker 1: Comy was fired as as an obstruction of the investigation. 1362 01:10:58,080 --> 01:11:00,559 Speaker 1: That the best witness against that is Rhoda Stunt, who 1363 01:11:00,680 --> 01:11:02,880 Speaker 1: gave the President Vice a Council that he should do it. 1364 01:11:03,000 --> 01:11:05,200 Speaker 1: But here's the here's the thing with putting all of 1365 01:11:05,240 --> 01:11:07,240 Speaker 1: that aside. So if the President of the United States 1366 01:11:07,280 --> 01:11:10,680 Speaker 1: desired he's going to fire the FBI director. What in 1367 01:11:10,720 --> 01:11:12,640 Speaker 1: the constitution says he can't do that. In fact, the 1368 01:11:12,680 --> 01:11:16,439 Speaker 1: Constitution says the opposite clauses to take care clause in 1369 01:11:16,479 --> 01:11:20,519 Speaker 1: the vesting clause. Both clauses allow him to fire a 1370 01:11:20,680 --> 01:11:23,200 Speaker 1: political appoint to his head of a branch of the 1371 01:11:23,320 --> 01:11:25,920 Speaker 1: executive branch of government, of department, or agency. This is 1372 01:11:25,920 --> 01:11:27,959 Speaker 1: all within the article, the Article two of the Constitution. 1373 01:11:28,080 --> 01:11:31,840 Speaker 1: That's right, And so Muller has no legal basis as 1374 01:11:31,920 --> 01:11:35,080 Speaker 1: an inferior officer to question the President of the United 1375 01:11:35,120 --> 01:11:39,640 Speaker 1: States about exercising his constitutional authority, so that, as you 1376 01:11:39,760 --> 01:11:41,920 Speaker 1: guys have pointed out, it should be off the table. 1377 01:11:42,080 --> 01:11:46,720 Speaker 1: Isn't Rosenstein necessary witness he's been interviewed by to the 1378 01:11:46,880 --> 01:11:51,000 Speaker 1: firing of Comey since he recommended the firing. Yeah, absolutely, 1379 01:11:51,040 --> 01:11:54,800 Speaker 1: he's a key witness. And he's actually been interviewed by 1380 01:11:54,960 --> 01:11:59,800 Speaker 1: his underling. Muller has interviewed his own boss, which is 1381 01:12:00,160 --> 01:12:02,680 Speaker 1: Rod Rosenstein, that is. But don't worry, they also want 1382 01:12:02,720 --> 01:12:04,719 Speaker 1: to interview you know, the President of the United States, 1383 01:12:05,080 --> 01:12:07,959 Speaker 1: the who's the ultimate boss under Article two of the Constitution. 1384 01:12:08,000 --> 01:12:10,280 Speaker 1: And that goes to the second part of this, which 1385 01:12:10,479 --> 01:12:13,320 Speaker 1: is obviously we're going through a process here. And if 1386 01:12:13,320 --> 01:12:15,040 Speaker 1: you look at this, by the way, historically this is 1387 01:12:15,080 --> 01:12:17,000 Speaker 1: the process lawyers go through when you when you're talking 1388 01:12:17,000 --> 01:12:18,880 Speaker 1: about interviewing the president. You know what Rudy and I 1389 01:12:18,960 --> 01:12:21,040 Speaker 1: have been pretty clear and what our inclinations are on 1390 01:12:21,120 --> 01:12:23,360 Speaker 1: all this. Ultimately that the president is going to make 1391 01:12:23,400 --> 01:12:26,320 Speaker 1: a decision based on legal advice, and they've got a 1392 01:12:26,439 --> 01:12:28,800 Speaker 1: bar that I don't think they've met. Having said that, again, 1393 01:12:29,200 --> 01:12:31,200 Speaker 1: you look it at as a lawyer that's been practicing 1394 01:12:31,200 --> 01:12:36,840 Speaker 1: all a long time. Thirty eight years too young, You 1395 01:12:36,880 --> 01:12:38,439 Speaker 1: don't want him. How long I've been practicing law? I 1396 01:12:38,439 --> 01:12:41,280 Speaker 1: don't remember. I was back in Lincoln's era. I didn't 1397 01:12:41,280 --> 01:12:46,200 Speaker 1: even go to law school. So if you were in 1398 01:12:46,280 --> 01:12:49,599 Speaker 1: our shoes, Greg, yeah, how would you. Well, obstruction questions 1399 01:12:49,760 --> 01:12:52,840 Speaker 1: are completely off the table. As for collusion, I don't 1400 01:12:53,000 --> 01:12:57,559 Speaker 1: understand how Mueller has the right to question the president 1401 01:12:58,080 --> 01:13:01,800 Speaker 1: about a non cross time. As I pointed out repeatedly, 1402 01:13:02,280 --> 01:13:05,840 Speaker 1: collusion is only a crime and anti trust law. It 1403 01:13:05,960 --> 01:13:08,080 Speaker 1: is nowhere else than the criminal codes. Now, other people 1404 01:13:08,120 --> 01:13:11,439 Speaker 1: have said, wow, it's conspiracy to defraud the government. No, 1405 01:13:11,600 --> 01:13:14,000 Speaker 1: it's not that. Actually, have there has to be a 1406 01:13:14,040 --> 01:13:16,920 Speaker 1: conspiracy to do that well, and it requires, the Supreme 1407 01:13:17,000 --> 01:13:21,240 Speaker 1: Court says, deceat craft, trickery, and dishonesty. So sitting, for example, 1408 01:13:21,280 --> 01:13:23,639 Speaker 1: in the Trump Tower and listening to a Russian lawyer 1409 01:13:23,720 --> 01:13:27,040 Speaker 1: provide information that in the end she never provided. How 1410 01:13:27,160 --> 01:13:31,280 Speaker 1: is that just something about and you know, Nancy Pelosi 1411 01:13:31,320 --> 01:13:33,800 Speaker 1: hauled off and said, wow, it's a clear violation of 1412 01:13:33,880 --> 01:13:36,559 Speaker 1: campaign laws. No, it's not. She never read the Federal 1413 01:13:36,640 --> 01:13:41,520 Speaker 1: Campaign Election Act, which allows a foreign national to volunteer services, 1414 01:13:41,640 --> 01:13:45,679 Speaker 1: including information, to a political campaign. And information by itself 1415 01:13:45,840 --> 01:13:48,479 Speaker 1: is not a thing of value. Because I actually argued 1416 01:13:48,640 --> 01:13:50,800 Speaker 1: Title three of McCain fine Goal before the Supreme Court 1417 01:13:50,800 --> 01:13:53,400 Speaker 1: of the United States, and that involved a lot of this, 1418 01:13:53,560 --> 01:13:55,880 Speaker 1: these issues of money and campaigns and how that worked 1419 01:13:55,880 --> 01:13:57,960 Speaker 1: in mind, I actually got the provision that I was 1420 01:13:58,000 --> 01:14:01,519 Speaker 1: responsible for Title three struck as unconstitutional nine to zero. 1421 01:14:01,680 --> 01:14:03,519 Speaker 1: You gotta look at what the law actually says, not 1422 01:14:03,600 --> 01:14:05,160 Speaker 1: what you wish it would say or what you hope 1423 01:14:05,200 --> 01:14:06,400 Speaker 1: it would say. If you're trying to, you know, go 1424 01:14:06,520 --> 01:14:08,400 Speaker 1: after something. What does it actually say and what does 1425 01:14:08,439 --> 01:14:11,479 Speaker 1: Supreme Court presidents say? And it just does not support 1426 01:14:11,720 --> 01:14:14,320 Speaker 1: the interpretations that some in the media have gone with 1427 01:14:14,479 --> 01:14:17,639 Speaker 1: are just incorrect legally based on the Statute and certainly 1428 01:14:17,680 --> 01:14:20,759 Speaker 1: based on the Constitution. But it serves the media's anti 1429 01:14:20,880 --> 01:14:25,840 Speaker 1: Trump narrative. Their hatred for Trump is so conspicuous every day, 1430 01:14:25,920 --> 01:14:29,519 Speaker 1: and their coverage of this case, they're unabashed, scorn and visceral. 1431 01:14:29,760 --> 01:14:33,680 Speaker 1: Hatred for the president is reflected in the bias within 1432 01:14:33,800 --> 01:14:36,000 Speaker 1: their stories, not only how they tell the stories, but 1433 01:14:36,120 --> 01:14:39,479 Speaker 1: the stories they choose to tell. I I heard uh 1434 01:14:40,000 --> 01:14:43,519 Speaker 1: a media individuals say, ah, I know what it is. 1435 01:14:43,600 --> 01:14:47,479 Speaker 1: It's on a services fraud. That individual never read the 1436 01:14:47,560 --> 01:14:50,880 Speaker 1: Supreme Court decision Skilling versus the States said there has 1437 01:14:50,960 --> 01:14:53,439 Speaker 1: to be a briber, a kickback because the government had 1438 01:14:53,479 --> 01:14:58,080 Speaker 1: gone too far in making honest services just catch I 1439 01:14:58,120 --> 01:14:59,599 Speaker 1: mean the whole. I mean, what are they're gonna try 1440 01:14:59,640 --> 01:15:03,800 Speaker 1: these novel and bizarres theories of campaign finance and obstruction, 1441 01:15:03,920 --> 01:15:05,760 Speaker 1: and you're gonna just determine, you're gonna do the test 1442 01:15:05,800 --> 01:15:07,200 Speaker 1: case and have the test case on the President of 1443 01:15:07,240 --> 01:15:08,720 Speaker 1: United States. I don't. I don't. First of all, there 1444 01:15:08,760 --> 01:15:10,920 Speaker 1: will be no case. I keep saying that because that's 1445 01:15:10,960 --> 01:15:14,080 Speaker 1: not how this goes. President can't have a case. That's 1446 01:15:14,120 --> 01:15:16,320 Speaker 1: not the way it works under our system. That's not 1447 01:15:16,400 --> 01:15:19,040 Speaker 1: the way the Department of Justice works. But the media 1448 01:15:19,160 --> 01:15:24,520 Speaker 1: and Democrats, and I realized that's redundant um. They insinuate 1449 01:15:24,760 --> 01:15:28,599 Speaker 1: a crime by using a word that connotes a crime, 1450 01:15:28,760 --> 01:15:32,160 Speaker 1: which is the world collusion. It just sounds in it, 1451 01:15:32,240 --> 01:15:35,080 Speaker 1: does you know? In fact, in my book, I quote 1452 01:15:35,360 --> 01:15:38,680 Speaker 1: a an interview j that you did with George Stephanopolis 1453 01:15:39,040 --> 01:15:41,720 Speaker 1: in which you kept saying to him, but where is 1454 01:15:41,800 --> 01:15:45,040 Speaker 1: it in the criminal codes? And he said, oh, collusion 1455 01:15:45,320 --> 01:15:49,920 Speaker 1: is conspiracy or something to that effect, without ever answering 1456 01:15:50,120 --> 01:15:54,200 Speaker 1: your legitimate question is wait a minute, what rule, law 1457 01:15:54,520 --> 01:15:57,439 Speaker 1: or regulation has been violated here that you're colluding with? 1458 01:15:57,760 --> 01:15:59,640 Speaker 1: Even conspiracy is not a crime. It's got to be 1459 01:15:59,680 --> 01:16:02,960 Speaker 1: an piracy to commit a crime. We conspire every day 1460 01:16:03,000 --> 01:16:05,080 Speaker 1: to have a bunch of breakfast or whatever. That's not 1461 01:16:05,240 --> 01:16:07,559 Speaker 1: a crime. No. But I'll tell you what's something everybody 1462 01:16:07,640 --> 01:16:11,920 Speaker 1: needs your book? Well, than we've got a lot more 1463 01:16:11,960 --> 01:16:13,760 Speaker 1: to come ahead on this. Uh. And then, by the way, 1464 01:16:14,080 --> 01:16:17,400 Speaker 1: the Russia hoax, it is a great book by Greg Jared, 1465 01:16:17,439 --> 01:16:19,280 Speaker 1: And it's great to be in the studio here with 1466 01:16:19,400 --> 01:16:22,360 Speaker 1: Greg actually in the same room, not just on a 1467 01:16:22,479 --> 01:16:26,120 Speaker 1: TV camera remote. So all right, we're gonna take calls. 1468 01:16:26,120 --> 01:16:28,160 Speaker 1: We've got a lot more to discuss on the Sean 1469 01:16:28,240 --> 01:16:36,920 Speaker 1: Hannity Show. Now that household of Joe has left the building, 1470 01:16:37,240 --> 01:16:41,919 Speaker 1: maybe we can get back to bringing jobs holds, that's jobs, 1471 01:16:42,200 --> 01:16:47,439 Speaker 1: j O. B. S. This is the Sean Hannity Show. 1472 01:17:10,560 --> 01:17:12,439 Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Shawan Hannity Show. This is Jay 1473 01:17:12,439 --> 01:17:15,840 Speaker 1: Sekulo and Mayor Rudy Giuliani, former U S Attorney, former 1474 01:17:16,000 --> 01:17:19,360 Speaker 1: senior Justice Department official, in with the author New York 1475 01:17:19,439 --> 01:17:23,560 Speaker 1: Times best selling author, number one best selling author. I 1476 01:17:23,600 --> 01:17:25,519 Speaker 1: want to be very clear to Greg Jarrett, thank you 1477 01:17:25,800 --> 01:17:27,400 Speaker 1: the books of the Russian Hook. I want to go 1478 01:17:27,520 --> 01:17:29,800 Speaker 1: right to Greg on this and then uh, Mayory you 1479 01:17:29,840 --> 01:17:32,599 Speaker 1: should come into and that is, uh, we're in this now. 1480 01:17:32,920 --> 01:17:35,479 Speaker 1: You know, the soap called investigation has been going on 1481 01:17:35,560 --> 01:17:37,000 Speaker 1: now really for almost two years. And if you look 1482 01:17:37,000 --> 01:17:38,320 Speaker 1: at just the kind of the time frame now we've 1483 01:17:38,320 --> 01:17:41,000 Speaker 1: had the special counsel has been a little bit over 1484 01:17:41,120 --> 01:17:43,479 Speaker 1: a year and about a year and months months. How 1485 01:17:43,520 --> 01:17:45,400 Speaker 1: do you what do you think the public appetite for 1486 01:17:45,439 --> 01:17:48,120 Speaker 1: this is these days really in the body politic. Well, 1487 01:17:48,280 --> 01:17:50,800 Speaker 1: just judging from the sales of my book, I'd say 1488 01:17:51,000 --> 01:17:54,639 Speaker 1: you know, it's very topical and people are talking about it. Um. 1489 01:17:55,560 --> 01:17:57,720 Speaker 1: You know, even if I hadn't written the book, it 1490 01:17:57,920 --> 01:18:01,800 Speaker 1: is still probably the most talk about news story in America. 1491 01:18:01,920 --> 01:18:04,559 Speaker 1: It is day in, day out, twenty four hours a day, 1492 01:18:04,840 --> 01:18:11,080 Speaker 1: and you know, frankly, every day brings new revelations of 1493 01:18:11,400 --> 01:18:17,000 Speaker 1: evidence of wrongdoing and corruption on the part of the investigators. 1494 01:18:17,120 --> 01:18:22,120 Speaker 1: These are the law enforcers who became themselves the lawbreakers. 1495 01:18:22,400 --> 01:18:23,920 Speaker 1: You know. I think, I think to the Bruce Or 1496 01:18:24,000 --> 01:18:25,680 Speaker 1: situation in great detail, I'm sure we'll do it. I 1497 01:18:25,760 --> 01:18:28,479 Speaker 1: think when when the when the history that has finally written. Uh, 1498 01:18:28,600 --> 01:18:30,200 Speaker 1: this is the fact that they took so long is 1499 01:18:30,240 --> 01:18:32,400 Speaker 1: going to hurt them because if they had, if they 1500 01:18:32,439 --> 01:18:34,519 Speaker 1: had written their report three months ago, which they could 1501 01:18:34,560 --> 01:18:38,600 Speaker 1: have done, we had written our report and we'd be 1502 01:18:38,640 --> 01:18:40,479 Speaker 1: waiting to see if Congress is going to do anything. 1503 01:18:41,120 --> 01:18:44,639 Speaker 1: But the revelations since I got involved with Jay. First 1504 01:18:44,680 --> 01:18:47,400 Speaker 1: of all, you have the Horowitz Report, you have Peter Struck. 1505 01:18:48,000 --> 01:18:53,360 Speaker 1: Now you have the whole Bruce or who knows what's next. 1506 01:18:53,439 --> 01:18:55,040 Speaker 1: I mean, you don't know what's next. I mean that's 1507 01:18:55,040 --> 01:18:58,400 Speaker 1: all unraveling and and the American public. I just looked 1508 01:18:58,439 --> 01:19:02,280 Speaker 1: at the polls yesterday. The longer this goes on, the 1509 01:19:02,400 --> 01:19:06,240 Speaker 1: more negative the opinions are of Bob Muller and his 1510 01:19:06,360 --> 01:19:11,639 Speaker 1: team of partisans. Two point swing in three months from 1511 01:19:11,800 --> 01:19:16,559 Speaker 1: from trusting Muller to not uh, not trusting Trump, trusting 1512 01:19:16,560 --> 01:19:20,439 Speaker 1: Trump and and because they're finally getting the message that 1513 01:19:21,160 --> 01:19:24,400 Speaker 1: this is not only a team of partisans, but it 1514 01:19:24,600 --> 01:19:30,160 Speaker 1: was politically motivated. You know, Mueller had three different conflicts 1515 01:19:30,200 --> 01:19:34,839 Speaker 1: of interest, Rosenstein had one glaring conflict of interest. Together, 1516 01:19:34,920 --> 01:19:38,360 Speaker 1: they put together a team of partisans. They sabotage the 1517 01:19:38,439 --> 01:19:42,680 Speaker 1: integrity and credibility of their own investigation. And as you 1518 01:19:42,760 --> 01:19:45,840 Speaker 1: point out, Mayor, the longer it goes on, the more 1519 01:19:46,040 --> 01:19:49,240 Speaker 1: Americans are wise en up to what really happened. It 1520 01:19:49,439 --> 01:19:52,800 Speaker 1: was a hoax. Yeah, yeah, it hoax. It started as 1521 01:19:52,800 --> 01:19:55,320 Speaker 1: a hoax, and it just gets worse and worse and worse, 1522 01:19:55,680 --> 01:19:59,559 Speaker 1: and they misconduct keeps coming out with breath taking in scope. 1523 01:19:59,560 --> 01:20:02,719 Speaker 1: I mean, from the beginning of this inquiry to today 1524 01:20:02,800 --> 01:20:04,479 Speaker 1: and then we and we still are I mean, every 1525 01:20:04,520 --> 01:20:07,240 Speaker 1: single day, it seems like there's more and more. You know, 1526 01:20:07,479 --> 01:20:10,040 Speaker 1: I pointed out of the book, Uh that the FBI, 1527 01:20:10,240 --> 01:20:15,080 Speaker 1: when they launched its investigation of Trump and collusion. They've 1528 01:20:15,240 --> 01:20:19,040 Speaker 1: violated their own FBI guidelines known as you guys know 1529 01:20:19,160 --> 01:20:24,240 Speaker 1: the diogue. You've got to have articulable facts in support 1530 01:20:24,360 --> 01:20:27,360 Speaker 1: of probable cause. They didn't have that. That's absolutely right. 1531 01:20:27,400 --> 01:20:29,840 Speaker 1: The book is The Russian Hoax. The author is Greg Jared. 1532 01:20:29,920 --> 01:20:34,400 Speaker 1: He is our friend, fellow lawyer, great legal analyst for 1533 01:20:34,439 --> 01:20:36,559 Speaker 1: Fox's Great Thanks for being with us, my pleasure. We'll 1534 01:20:36,560 --> 01:20:38,479 Speaker 1: be back with more. Read the book. Read the book. 1535 01:20:38,600 --> 01:20:40,240 Speaker 1: We'll be back with more in a minute. Hi, everybody, 1536 01:20:40,240 --> 01:20:42,479 Speaker 1: welcome back to the broadcast. Is Jay Sekulo and Mayor 1537 01:20:42,560 --> 01:20:45,280 Speaker 1: Rudy Giuliani sitting in for our friend Sean Hannity. It's 1538 01:20:45,280 --> 01:20:49,000 Speaker 1: great to be uh, co hosting my colleague. I get 1539 01:20:49,040 --> 01:20:50,720 Speaker 1: to say, Kylie, I've known Rudy, We've known each other 1540 01:20:50,760 --> 01:20:52,240 Speaker 1: a long time. But we are working on it. We've 1541 01:20:52,240 --> 01:20:53,960 Speaker 1: worked on a number of cases, but this, I would 1542 01:20:54,000 --> 01:20:57,680 Speaker 1: say is the biggest in the States. I tried to 1543 01:20:57,760 --> 01:20:59,560 Speaker 1: help you with Pastor Brunson a year ago. Year and 1544 01:20:59,600 --> 01:21:02,840 Speaker 1: a half of this did and that yep, I hope 1545 01:21:02,880 --> 01:21:05,080 Speaker 1: so God willing will be out soon. I will tell 1546 01:21:05,080 --> 01:21:07,479 Speaker 1: you we're gonna talk a little bit more about that. Actually, Uh, 1547 01:21:07,880 --> 01:21:10,720 Speaker 1: we uh in days ahead. I am hopeful and I look, 1548 01:21:10,800 --> 01:21:12,280 Speaker 1: i'll trace a little bit of that. Since you said it, 1549 01:21:12,479 --> 01:21:14,200 Speaker 1: we will do it. And just let's spend a minute. 1550 01:21:14,240 --> 01:21:15,680 Speaker 1: Then we'll get John Salmon on from the Hill. He's 1551 01:21:15,680 --> 01:21:18,040 Speaker 1: got some good news here for us. An interesting story 1552 01:21:18,600 --> 01:21:20,800 Speaker 1: on the pastor Brunson matter. I will tell you this. 1553 01:21:21,000 --> 01:21:22,920 Speaker 1: This is a Christian pastor who's been in jail now 1554 01:21:23,040 --> 01:21:26,439 Speaker 1: for it was in jail for almost eighteen months, almost 1555 01:21:26,479 --> 01:21:28,840 Speaker 1: twenty I think twenty months actually, and then has been 1556 01:21:28,880 --> 01:21:31,400 Speaker 1: on house arrest. But we tried to get him released 1557 01:21:31,479 --> 01:21:34,280 Speaker 1: last year. It did not. We got close, but then 1558 01:21:34,360 --> 01:21:36,840 Speaker 1: now Turkey's feeling some real pressure. What's your quick thoughts 1559 01:21:36,880 --> 01:21:38,360 Speaker 1: on that. I think the pastor he's at home arrest 1560 01:21:38,439 --> 01:21:40,080 Speaker 1: right now. I think where the president is committed to 1561 01:21:40,080 --> 01:21:43,760 Speaker 1: gett him home. I believe, given what's going on with 1562 01:21:43,800 --> 01:21:47,400 Speaker 1: their economy, it's they're gonna crack. They're gonna have to crack. 1563 01:21:47,720 --> 01:21:50,479 Speaker 1: And the reality is, you know, it's a completely contrived case. 1564 01:21:51,080 --> 01:21:55,920 Speaker 1: He didn't do anything except preach Christianity in a tasteful, 1565 01:21:56,120 --> 01:21:59,559 Speaker 1: decent way. Well, look, I know Mike Pompeo, the Vice president, 1566 01:21:59,640 --> 01:22:02,360 Speaker 1: especially the President are working diligently on this. It's uh, 1567 01:22:02,680 --> 01:22:05,000 Speaker 1: look the Turkish situation right now. Their economy is hurting, 1568 01:22:05,000 --> 01:22:07,160 Speaker 1: and they're hurting because they're keeping Americans held hostage, and 1569 01:22:07,200 --> 01:22:08,880 Speaker 1: that's not what you're supposed to do. Let's go back 1570 01:22:08,920 --> 01:22:11,360 Speaker 1: to a domestic matter. John Solomon, our friend from the Hill, 1571 01:22:11,560 --> 01:22:14,320 Speaker 1: is on and John, you broke a story yesterday. We've 1572 01:22:14,520 --> 01:22:16,439 Speaker 1: talked a little bit about this already in this old 1573 01:22:16,439 --> 01:22:19,000 Speaker 1: Bruce Or situation. He was the number four ranking official 1574 01:22:19,040 --> 01:22:21,400 Speaker 1: at the Justice Department, but you broke some new news. 1575 01:22:21,479 --> 01:22:24,080 Speaker 1: Of course, he was working with Christopher Steele. Let's retrace 1576 01:22:24,160 --> 01:22:25,760 Speaker 1: that person, folks. For the folks here, I think it's 1577 01:22:25,760 --> 01:22:28,000 Speaker 1: important to understand this was the number four in the 1578 01:22:28,160 --> 01:22:32,080 Speaker 1: Justice Department. His wife was working for Fusion GPS, who 1579 01:22:32,160 --> 01:22:34,759 Speaker 1: had been working with Christopher Steele to put the dossier together. 1580 01:22:34,920 --> 01:22:37,000 Speaker 1: Take it from there. That sounds great. I'll take you 1581 01:22:37,080 --> 01:22:39,400 Speaker 1: to the exact date and time where we need to 1582 01:22:39,439 --> 01:22:42,760 Speaker 1: be a December middle of December sixteen, a month after 1583 01:22:42,880 --> 01:22:46,160 Speaker 1: the president has won the election. Democrats are still morning 1584 01:22:46,760 --> 01:22:49,680 Speaker 1: uh beet Stroke and Lisa Page are probably still in 1585 01:22:49,760 --> 01:22:52,519 Speaker 1: shock at the FBI because they're planning to stop President Trump. 1586 01:22:52,600 --> 01:22:57,639 Speaker 1: Didn't work. And um the FBI has formerly fired Christopher Steele, 1587 01:22:57,720 --> 01:23:00,800 Speaker 1: the British MI six intelligence agents paid by the d NC, 1588 01:23:01,000 --> 01:23:03,160 Speaker 1: paid by Hillary Clinton's campaign to dig up during on 1589 01:23:03,200 --> 01:23:06,679 Speaker 1: the president. He's been fired from misconduct because he spoke 1590 01:23:06,720 --> 01:23:08,559 Speaker 1: to the media in the final days of the election. 1591 01:23:09,000 --> 01:23:12,080 Speaker 1: As you all know, that's an illegality are not allowed 1592 01:23:12,120 --> 01:23:15,240 Speaker 1: for a human intelligence source. So he's fired. And yet 1593 01:23:15,320 --> 01:23:17,439 Speaker 1: Pete Roke has no way to get and hit Pece 1594 01:23:17,479 --> 01:23:19,559 Speaker 1: Roke has no way to get the information from Christopher 1595 01:23:19,640 --> 01:23:22,400 Speaker 1: Steel anymore. So they create an end run here they 1596 01:23:22,520 --> 01:23:27,320 Speaker 1: get um Bruso or the number four, a Justice Department official, 1597 01:23:27,360 --> 01:23:29,720 Speaker 1: and somebody who, by the way, is not in the 1598 01:23:29,800 --> 01:23:37,800 Speaker 1: chain of command on the intelligence investigation associate Deputy Attorney General. Yeah, 1599 01:23:37,840 --> 01:23:41,160 Speaker 1: good question is from Eric So he is the top deputy, 1600 01:23:41,320 --> 01:23:44,519 Speaker 1: the Deputy Attorney General Sally Yates, a woman who signed 1601 01:23:44,560 --> 01:23:47,479 Speaker 1: one of those FISI warrants, by the way, and uh 1602 01:23:47,800 --> 01:23:50,800 Speaker 1: he is you know kind. Intelligence investigations are supposed to 1603 01:23:50,800 --> 01:23:53,160 Speaker 1: be left to counterintelligence prose people who do it for 1604 01:23:53,200 --> 01:23:55,880 Speaker 1: a living, so you can detect deception, you can detect 1605 01:23:56,000 --> 01:23:59,600 Speaker 1: efforts to deceive and and and that doesn't happen. So 1606 01:24:00,240 --> 01:24:04,000 Speaker 1: as Christopher Steele starts meeting with um Bruce Or and 1607 01:24:04,080 --> 01:24:08,439 Speaker 1: that information flowing in. But at this moment, Uh, Glenn Simpson, 1608 01:24:08,520 --> 01:24:12,200 Speaker 1: the founder Fusion GPS, the man who the Clinton campaign 1609 01:24:12,240 --> 01:24:14,639 Speaker 1: paid directly to the NC paid directing, and he hired 1610 01:24:14,680 --> 01:24:17,559 Speaker 1: Christopher Steel to do the dirt digging. And by the way, 1611 01:24:18,000 --> 01:24:21,360 Speaker 1: Glenn Simpson is the boss of Nellie Or Bruce Or 1612 01:24:21,400 --> 01:24:23,599 Speaker 1: his wife because he had hired Nellie Or to work 1613 01:24:23,680 --> 01:24:27,160 Speaker 1: on the Trump dossier. Uh. They're meeting, their meeting at 1614 01:24:27,200 --> 01:24:29,960 Speaker 1: a coffee shop in Washington, d C. And they're having 1615 01:24:30,040 --> 01:24:34,280 Speaker 1: this extraordinary conversation. First off, a thumb drive a memory 1616 01:24:34,320 --> 01:24:37,000 Speaker 1: stick is handed to Bruce Or, according to these handwritten 1617 01:24:37,040 --> 01:24:39,320 Speaker 1: notes of the meeting, and it has all of Glenn 1618 01:24:39,360 --> 01:24:42,320 Speaker 1: Simpson's latest dirt on President Trump, the latest version of 1619 01:24:42,400 --> 01:24:45,360 Speaker 1: the dossier, all the things that the FBI is already 1620 01:24:45,400 --> 01:24:48,200 Speaker 1: committed to stop collecting, right because they fired Steele. He 1621 01:24:48,320 --> 01:24:50,320 Speaker 1: hands them at and then they begin to have this 1622 01:24:50,439 --> 01:24:53,040 Speaker 1: extraordinary discussion. And some of the stuff is you know, 1623 01:24:53,320 --> 01:24:56,040 Speaker 1: you know, almost jaw dropping in and sounds like a 1624 01:24:56,040 --> 01:24:58,160 Speaker 1: spy novel. They come up with these different ferries. But 1625 01:24:58,680 --> 01:25:01,439 Speaker 1: one of the most important things that occurs there is that. 1626 01:25:01,560 --> 01:25:04,599 Speaker 1: Glenn Simpson for the first time is recorded in written 1627 01:25:04,640 --> 01:25:07,719 Speaker 1: notes saying, I know who the source of Christopher Steele 1628 01:25:07,800 --> 01:25:09,920 Speaker 1: used to prove this ort to come up with all 1629 01:25:09,960 --> 01:25:13,519 Speaker 1: of this collusions allegations, And he actually isn't in Moscow. 1630 01:25:13,600 --> 01:25:16,080 Speaker 1: We don't have any sources in Moscow. Well, if you're 1631 01:25:16,200 --> 01:25:18,040 Speaker 1: in your Russian spy case, you kind of hope you 1632 01:25:18,120 --> 01:25:21,240 Speaker 1: have some sources close to the alleged plot. They're not. 1633 01:25:21,920 --> 01:25:26,120 Speaker 1: It's a former Russian intelligence officer in the United States 1634 01:25:26,160 --> 01:25:29,120 Speaker 1: who's feeding this information. I show this to some of 1635 01:25:29,160 --> 01:25:31,479 Speaker 1: the best counterintelligence professionals in the world, people who have 1636 01:25:31,520 --> 01:25:33,760 Speaker 1: done this for a quarter century Moore, and the first 1637 01:25:33,800 --> 01:25:37,120 Speaker 1: thing I said is you know what contra intelligence professional. 1638 01:25:37,200 --> 01:25:39,439 Speaker 1: The first thing they're gonna say is that's not There 1639 01:25:39,479 --> 01:25:42,000 Speaker 1: are no such thing as the former Russian intelligence officers there. 1640 01:25:42,320 --> 01:25:45,400 Speaker 1: That guy is working to disrupt the election. It's most 1641 01:25:45,479 --> 01:25:49,080 Speaker 1: likely a compliment effort to feed information to the Democrats 1642 01:25:49,160 --> 01:25:51,400 Speaker 1: to smeyar Donald Trump, so we mess up the whole election. 1643 01:25:51,800 --> 01:25:54,040 Speaker 1: First thing that jumps out in the notes to the professionals, 1644 01:25:54,720 --> 01:25:58,320 Speaker 1: and and then he talks about gun Steele blurts something 1645 01:25:58,400 --> 01:26:00,840 Speaker 1: out and says, uh, at the end of the election, 1646 01:26:00,880 --> 01:26:03,839 Speaker 1: I couldn't wait anymore. I couldn't keep this stassier secret anymore. 1647 01:26:04,240 --> 01:26:07,719 Speaker 1: So I went to uh Mother Jones and David Corne 1648 01:26:07,760 --> 01:26:10,400 Speaker 1: and I leaked the store and I asked for Steele 1649 01:26:10,600 --> 01:26:13,519 Speaker 1: to participate in that leak, by the way, violating the 1650 01:26:13,640 --> 01:26:17,160 Speaker 1: FBI's rule. And he uses this word, excuse me, you 1651 01:26:17,240 --> 01:26:21,360 Speaker 1: got them fired too, firedst them right. He uses it 1652 01:26:21,680 --> 01:26:24,759 Speaker 1: was a hail mary attempt. Now that's such an important 1653 01:26:24,760 --> 01:26:26,760 Speaker 1: word because we know what a hail mary means. They're 1654 01:26:26,760 --> 01:26:29,280 Speaker 1: trying to they're trying to make a last minute impact 1655 01:26:29,360 --> 01:26:31,960 Speaker 1: on the election because it didn't go the way they fought. Well, 1656 01:26:32,200 --> 01:26:34,920 Speaker 1: that's so important because Glenn Simpson has now testified to 1657 01:26:35,000 --> 01:26:38,800 Speaker 1: two different committees, House Intelligence, House Judiciary, and he told 1658 01:26:38,840 --> 01:26:41,360 Speaker 1: them the same thing. This was not about politics. I 1659 01:26:41,520 --> 01:26:44,120 Speaker 1: wasn't trying to influence the election. I was just trying 1660 01:26:44,160 --> 01:26:46,680 Speaker 1: to be a good citizen. This was about citizenship and 1661 01:26:46,800 --> 01:26:49,960 Speaker 1: reporting wrong doing. Well, if you're about citizenship and you're 1662 01:26:49,960 --> 01:26:52,040 Speaker 1: reporting wrongs and you think you let the FBI do 1663 01:26:52,160 --> 01:26:54,320 Speaker 1: their job, but not these two guys. They go to 1664 01:26:54,400 --> 01:26:57,120 Speaker 1: the media and they leak it because really their intention 1665 01:26:57,240 --> 01:26:59,640 Speaker 1: is now clear they're trying to sway the election, and 1666 01:26:59,680 --> 01:27:02,280 Speaker 1: they're just using the FBI as a part of the 1667 01:27:02,360 --> 01:27:06,280 Speaker 1: political opposition tool that they needed. So that's the second admission, 1668 01:27:06,439 --> 01:27:09,160 Speaker 1: and then the third admission is then Sinton kind of 1669 01:27:09,240 --> 01:27:11,880 Speaker 1: gives us what he really thought his theory was. And 1670 01:27:11,960 --> 01:27:14,760 Speaker 1: this theory is ludicrous to the people I've talked to 1671 01:27:14,840 --> 01:27:17,920 Speaker 1: the intelligence community. Here's here's how the theory goes. Donald 1672 01:27:17,960 --> 01:27:20,320 Speaker 1: Trump has had a revolving group of insiders that were 1673 01:27:20,520 --> 01:27:24,400 Speaker 1: the appointment for Moscow is big conspiracy. The first guy 1674 01:27:24,479 --> 01:27:26,439 Speaker 1: with Paul man Afore he got kicked out. Then it 1675 01:27:26,520 --> 01:27:28,200 Speaker 1: was Carter Page he got kicked out. So then it 1676 01:27:28,280 --> 01:27:31,800 Speaker 1: becomes Michael Cohen and and those three guys are working 1677 01:27:31,800 --> 01:27:34,920 Speaker 1: in the election and coluding and conspiring and doing all 1678 01:27:34,960 --> 01:27:36,679 Speaker 1: those things. We'll just think about this. There's no way 1679 01:27:36,760 --> 01:27:40,840 Speaker 1: Moscow had three separate assets working on an operation because 1680 01:27:40,880 --> 01:27:43,719 Speaker 1: it's not possible. But then you look into the facts. 1681 01:27:43,840 --> 01:27:47,320 Speaker 1: What why did they believe? As well? Michael Cohen's relative 1682 01:27:47,960 --> 01:27:50,600 Speaker 1: did some real estate business in Moscow, and that's the 1683 01:27:50,680 --> 01:27:52,599 Speaker 1: best they got to prove that Michael Cohen is there. 1684 01:27:52,880 --> 01:27:54,640 Speaker 1: They say he might have been in progue. We now 1685 01:27:54,720 --> 01:27:56,680 Speaker 1: know that Michael Cohen was never in proud because he 1686 01:27:56,720 --> 01:28:03,440 Speaker 1: showed everybody his passport. The level of week UH doubleheads, 1687 01:28:03,920 --> 01:28:07,960 Speaker 1: third source intelligence that Glenn Simpson says, the core of 1688 01:28:08,040 --> 01:28:12,160 Speaker 1: the steel case and stuff that most intelligence professionals would 1689 01:28:12,200 --> 01:28:14,880 Speaker 1: have laughed out of. The CIA or the FBI were 1690 01:28:15,040 --> 01:28:17,879 Speaker 1: not the Pete stroke and Bruce Org of course certainly 1691 01:28:18,200 --> 01:28:20,599 Speaker 1: as certainly through the system, even though it's this week 1692 01:28:20,720 --> 01:28:24,920 Speaker 1: just discredited the silly of of a plot. And and 1693 01:28:25,040 --> 01:28:27,080 Speaker 1: that's what we learned from these notes. And it's amazing 1694 01:28:27,200 --> 01:28:30,479 Speaker 1: that it took us eighteen months for the Justice Department 1695 01:28:30,560 --> 01:28:32,720 Speaker 1: to keep these from the American public, to see how 1696 01:28:33,320 --> 01:28:36,559 Speaker 1: silly this case was and how politically corrupted this case 1697 01:28:36,760 --> 01:28:38,960 Speaker 1: was so gentle when you look at the situation, I mean, 1698 01:28:39,280 --> 01:28:41,960 Speaker 1: we're into this now, you know, this inquiry as they 1699 01:28:42,000 --> 01:28:45,600 Speaker 1: call it, our investigation started in We're now, you know, 1700 01:28:45,680 --> 01:28:49,240 Speaker 1: more than halfway through eighteen and it seems like every 1701 01:28:49,320 --> 01:28:51,200 Speaker 1: day you're every couple of days, you've got a new 1702 01:28:51,320 --> 01:28:54,320 Speaker 1: story and a new report and a new UH discovery. 1703 01:28:54,840 --> 01:28:56,439 Speaker 1: I don't know if we've seen the half of it yet. 1704 01:28:56,600 --> 01:28:59,880 Speaker 1: What do you think, Yeah, that's a great question. I 1705 01:29:00,120 --> 01:29:03,479 Speaker 1: think the most important thing that could happen before election 1706 01:29:03,560 --> 01:29:05,800 Speaker 1: day was quite sankly any time for the American public. 1707 01:29:05,920 --> 01:29:08,160 Speaker 1: Let's not even tie it to an election. The most 1708 01:29:08,240 --> 01:29:10,479 Speaker 1: important thing to have happened here is what happened after 1709 01:29:10,600 --> 01:29:13,320 Speaker 1: nine eleven. We had adults in the intelligence community at 1710 01:29:13,360 --> 01:29:15,640 Speaker 1: that moment, and after we got sucker punch and we 1711 01:29:15,680 --> 01:29:18,720 Speaker 1: had a horrific moment, the FBI and the CIA made 1712 01:29:18,760 --> 01:29:21,640 Speaker 1: a commitment. Listen, no matter how embarrassing it is, no 1713 01:29:21,760 --> 01:29:23,519 Speaker 1: matter how bad it is, we're gonna put all our 1714 01:29:23,600 --> 01:29:25,760 Speaker 1: chips on the table, and we're gonna let people see 1715 01:29:25,960 --> 01:29:29,120 Speaker 1: what went wrong here. The American public deserves to know 1716 01:29:29,439 --> 01:29:31,800 Speaker 1: what was the fi SU court told, what were the 1717 01:29:31,880 --> 01:29:34,360 Speaker 1: flaws and the evidence? What things of the FBI know 1718 01:29:34,640 --> 01:29:37,439 Speaker 1: that they withheld from the FISC Court. And I think 1719 01:29:37,479 --> 01:29:39,920 Speaker 1: if we do that, Mr Mayor was you know, an 1720 01:29:40,000 --> 01:29:42,439 Speaker 1: important voice during that time for us during nine eleven 1721 01:29:42,479 --> 01:29:45,760 Speaker 1: of arguing for accountability. If we didn't have Mayor Giuliani 1722 01:29:45,880 --> 01:29:47,439 Speaker 1: doing those sort of things, we might have not heeled 1723 01:29:47,479 --> 01:29:49,640 Speaker 1: the way we did. We have to get right on 1724 01:29:49,720 --> 01:29:51,800 Speaker 1: this something. We need the FBI director and the d 1725 01:29:51,960 --> 01:29:54,240 Speaker 1: n I and the c I a director to let 1726 01:29:54,360 --> 01:29:56,200 Speaker 1: us see what really happened here. That's not going to 1727 01:29:56,240 --> 01:30:02,439 Speaker 1: compromise any cases. Why why this plexes us tremendously. Why 1728 01:30:02,600 --> 01:30:08,400 Speaker 1: are our Sessions and Rosenstein covering up? Why would they 1729 01:30:08,560 --> 01:30:14,280 Speaker 1: Why would they obstruct Congress keep this information back, not 1730 01:30:14,560 --> 01:30:19,799 Speaker 1: launch a really really intense investigation. Instead of your finding 1731 01:30:19,840 --> 01:30:23,320 Speaker 1: this out, they should be finding this out. Why what's 1732 01:30:23,360 --> 01:30:26,800 Speaker 1: the motive? I think they may know it. And at 1733 01:30:26,840 --> 01:30:28,719 Speaker 1: the end of the time, when I first came to town, 1734 01:30:28,760 --> 01:30:31,280 Speaker 1: I met an old, wily senator named Bill Proxmire's a 1735 01:30:31,320 --> 01:30:34,519 Speaker 1: Democrat from Wounsin never spent more than a thousand dollars 1736 01:30:34,560 --> 01:30:37,080 Speaker 1: on reelection, and he told me something that I always 1737 01:30:37,120 --> 01:30:39,880 Speaker 1: thought was stuck with me all these years later. He said, 1738 01:30:39,960 --> 01:30:43,480 Speaker 1: never ascribe to conspiracy. What you can explain the bureaucracy. 1739 01:30:44,080 --> 01:30:46,720 Speaker 1: I think in some way the Deffice Department knows that 1740 01:30:46,840 --> 01:30:50,280 Speaker 1: this is embarrassing to the institution, it's embarrassing to the 1741 01:30:50,360 --> 01:30:52,479 Speaker 1: court that they might have miss led. And I think 1742 01:30:52,479 --> 01:30:54,200 Speaker 1: they're trying to run out the clocks and they they 1743 01:30:54,200 --> 01:30:56,720 Speaker 1: don't have to go through that period of embarrassment. But hey, 1744 01:30:56,760 --> 01:30:58,960 Speaker 1: the FBI had to go through nine eleven and miss it. 1745 01:30:59,120 --> 01:31:02,880 Speaker 1: Mr seen its MAMO and the Massali memo, the FBI 1746 01:31:03,040 --> 01:31:05,599 Speaker 1: will do itself in the American public a great favorite. 1747 01:31:05,640 --> 01:31:07,880 Speaker 1: Say just lay the cards on the table, this is 1748 01:31:07,960 --> 01:31:09,880 Speaker 1: what went right, this is what went wrong. We won't 1749 01:31:09,920 --> 01:31:11,960 Speaker 1: do it again. I think we all move on a 1750 01:31:12,040 --> 01:31:14,880 Speaker 1: lot quicker. I think the bureaucratic instinct could protect the 1751 01:31:14,960 --> 01:31:18,680 Speaker 1: institution is at the heart of this keepaway game. I 1752 01:31:18,760 --> 01:31:21,559 Speaker 1: really need could it? Could it also be rosen Stein's 1753 01:31:21,600 --> 01:31:26,840 Speaker 1: involvement with the last Fiser application. Well that's a great question, sir. 1754 01:31:26,920 --> 01:31:28,960 Speaker 1: And it's an interesting thing because in the story a 1755 01:31:29,040 --> 01:31:32,240 Speaker 1: couple of days ago, I noted something very privately. Uh, 1756 01:31:32,479 --> 01:31:36,720 Speaker 1: Rod Rosenstein sent a letter to Congress saying, hey, I testified. 1757 01:31:36,760 --> 01:31:39,840 Speaker 1: I didn't know there was nobody in my agency that 1758 01:31:39,960 --> 01:31:42,719 Speaker 1: was working on this except me. I didn't know about 1759 01:31:42,800 --> 01:31:45,240 Speaker 1: Bruce Or. Well, you know, sir, because you were at 1760 01:31:45,240 --> 01:31:48,559 Speaker 1: the top of the Justice Department. Ignorance is not an 1761 01:31:48,640 --> 01:31:51,280 Speaker 1: excuse before the five support. It is your obligation to 1762 01:31:51,400 --> 01:31:53,240 Speaker 1: know that Bruce Or was doing these things of the 1763 01:31:53,479 --> 01:31:56,760 Speaker 1: FBI was withholding things before you signed the name to it. 1764 01:31:57,120 --> 01:32:01,120 Speaker 1: I think Rod Rosenstein's own personal institution, his own reputation, 1765 01:32:01,240 --> 01:32:03,479 Speaker 1: is a little bit in jeopardy. If we learn how 1766 01:32:03,560 --> 01:32:06,759 Speaker 1: much the court might have not known about exculpatory information 1767 01:32:06,840 --> 01:32:11,599 Speaker 1: and everything I hear about what's in the yeah redacted 1768 01:32:11,640 --> 01:32:14,840 Speaker 1: saxons and about exculpatory information. Hey, John, let me ask 1769 01:32:14,880 --> 01:32:16,960 Speaker 1: you this. You've got a piece out it's at the 1770 01:32:17,040 --> 01:32:19,559 Speaker 1: Hill right now, which at and the Hill dot Com. 1771 01:32:20,080 --> 01:32:22,280 Speaker 1: I know you've got other pieces you're working on. Folks, 1772 01:32:22,320 --> 01:32:24,160 Speaker 1: you need to be following John Solomon. We encourage you. 1773 01:32:24,280 --> 01:32:25,760 Speaker 1: And John, thanks for taking time to be with us 1774 01:32:25,800 --> 01:32:27,560 Speaker 1: on the John Hennity Show. And thanks for doing the 1775 01:32:27,600 --> 01:32:31,600 Speaker 1: work you're doing. John, You're doing Justice Department should be 1776 01:32:31,640 --> 01:32:35,240 Speaker 1: done service to the United States. All Right, we're gonna 1777 01:32:35,240 --> 01:32:37,960 Speaker 1: be back with more. God boy, we're covering a lot 1778 01:32:38,040 --> 01:32:41,800 Speaker 1: of material, hero, Mr Mayor amazing. All right, hank Ty, 1779 01:32:41,920 --> 01:32:44,400 Speaker 1: We'll be back with more in a moment. And welcome 1780 01:32:44,400 --> 01:32:46,960 Speaker 1: back with a Shawan Hannity Program. And it is great 1781 01:32:47,000 --> 01:32:49,360 Speaker 1: to say that. Um, I've had the chance to be 1782 01:32:49,439 --> 01:32:52,080 Speaker 1: with Rudy Giuliani for hours and hours and hours over 1783 01:32:52,120 --> 01:32:54,479 Speaker 1: the last couple of months, working on a case that 1784 01:32:54,600 --> 01:32:56,320 Speaker 1: everybody knows about. But here we are in the last 1785 01:32:56,320 --> 01:32:58,439 Speaker 1: segment of the Sean Hannity Show. Let me ask you this, 1786 01:32:58,680 --> 01:33:00,880 Speaker 1: Mr Mayor, you're you're kind of in pressions here as 1787 01:33:00,920 --> 01:33:02,960 Speaker 1: we are you and I say, trying to land the plane. Well, 1788 01:33:03,000 --> 01:33:05,760 Speaker 1: I think my impressions are that we're we're doing fine, 1789 01:33:05,800 --> 01:33:09,639 Speaker 1: and we've got to our strategy is multifaceted. We're ready 1790 01:33:09,640 --> 01:33:12,640 Speaker 1: for anything. The thing about it, it's amazing, is how 1791 01:33:12,760 --> 01:33:16,559 Speaker 1: much more there is to this that doesn't necessarily involve us. 1792 01:33:16,880 --> 01:33:19,080 Speaker 1: Going back to the beginning of this. I think this 1793 01:33:19,240 --> 01:33:22,840 Speaker 1: investigation is going to continue, but a totally different focus. 1794 01:33:23,720 --> 01:33:27,479 Speaker 1: They're gonna investigate the investigators because of the irregular somebody 1795 01:33:27,560 --> 01:33:31,800 Speaker 1: has to investigate this and whether it's bureaucratic protection or 1796 01:33:32,120 --> 01:33:36,680 Speaker 1: something worse, the just Department has really really acted, uh inappropriately, 1797 01:33:37,040 --> 01:33:38,559 Speaker 1: I agree. All right, let me tell you something else. 1798 01:33:38,800 --> 01:33:40,400 Speaker 1: We've had the opportunity to talk about a lot of 1799 01:33:40,439 --> 01:33:43,800 Speaker 1: issues of great guests, but we've also started the broadcast with, 1800 01:33:44,080 --> 01:33:46,080 Speaker 1: as we always do, given you news of what's happening, 1801 01:33:46,120 --> 01:33:48,000 Speaker 1: and we're, like I said, the Mayor and I are 1802 01:33:48,040 --> 01:33:49,800 Speaker 1: kind of living it, making it and in the middle 1803 01:33:49,840 --> 01:33:51,559 Speaker 1: of it. But also I don't want to forget about 1804 01:33:51,920 --> 01:33:53,760 Speaker 1: something we talked about, and that is the case of 1805 01:33:53,880 --> 01:33:57,200 Speaker 1: Pastor Andrew Brunson. It's a big weekend on that case. 1806 01:33:57,240 --> 01:33:58,960 Speaker 1: I believe you've read the news of what's happening in 1807 01:33:59,000 --> 01:34:01,360 Speaker 1: Turkey right now the press, and it's demanding the return 1808 01:34:01,439 --> 01:34:03,679 Speaker 1: of this American pastor. I appreciate your thoughts and prayers 1809 01:34:03,720 --> 01:34:06,800 Speaker 1: for him and for his family as we try to 1810 01:34:06,920 --> 01:34:10,439 Speaker 1: get him returned to the United States of America. Also, 1811 01:34:10,560 --> 01:34:12,479 Speaker 1: let me say this, as we look at the case, 1812 01:34:12,560 --> 01:34:14,200 Speaker 1: and I know there's you know, some of you are 1813 01:34:14,240 --> 01:34:15,960 Speaker 1: getting paid and some of people are getting in patient 1814 01:34:16,000 --> 01:34:18,240 Speaker 1: with us, Rudy. Some people think, why can't they just 1815 01:34:18,320 --> 01:34:20,880 Speaker 1: make up a decision here and just announce it. There's 1816 01:34:20,880 --> 01:34:22,599 Speaker 1: a lot more to it than that. Yeah, yeah, if 1817 01:34:22,600 --> 01:34:25,840 Speaker 1: we have to, if we had just acted precipitously, two 1818 01:34:25,920 --> 01:34:28,040 Speaker 1: or three months ago, none of this would have come out. 1819 01:34:29,520 --> 01:34:32,360 Speaker 1: Has worked in our favor here, Yeah, And look, I 1820 01:34:32,720 --> 01:34:34,479 Speaker 1: think at the end of the day, the legal strategy 1821 01:34:34,520 --> 01:34:39,200 Speaker 1: we've implemented is correct. I believe that the right type 1822 01:34:39,240 --> 01:34:42,560 Speaker 1: of uh process that we've gone through to protect the 1823 01:34:42,640 --> 01:34:45,920 Speaker 1: Constitution and the integrity of the constitution Separation of Powers 1824 01:34:46,000 --> 01:34:48,679 Speaker 1: Article two. That's what you do when you're representing a president, 1825 01:34:48,800 --> 01:34:51,160 Speaker 1: and that's the highest task, I think. And you've had 1826 01:34:51,240 --> 01:34:52,880 Speaker 1: some big tests, and I've had some big task but 1827 01:34:53,040 --> 01:34:54,920 Speaker 1: this is the biggest test we've ever had. As lawyers 1828 01:34:55,280 --> 01:34:57,400 Speaker 1: represented President, I had the opportunity a couple of times 1829 01:34:57,400 --> 01:35:00,200 Speaker 1: to represent President Reagan, not this kind of thing, but 1830 01:35:00,280 --> 01:35:03,000 Speaker 1: as as president. And it's it's the greatest honor in 1831 01:35:03,040 --> 01:35:04,840 Speaker 1: the world too. It's a great honor to represent the 1832 01:35:04,920 --> 01:35:07,040 Speaker 1: United States government. When I was in assistant U S Attourney, 1833 01:35:07,240 --> 01:35:08,519 Speaker 1: I get up in front of a jury and a 1834 01:35:08,600 --> 01:35:10,880 Speaker 1: pellate court and I'd say, my name is Rudolf Julianna. 1835 01:35:10,880 --> 01:35:13,439 Speaker 1: I represent the United States of America. I always get 1836 01:35:13,479 --> 01:35:16,360 Speaker 1: goose bumps. Always. It's like when I get when I 1837 01:35:16,439 --> 01:35:17,880 Speaker 1: when they call your name to the Supreme Court of 1838 01:35:17,880 --> 01:35:20,280 Speaker 1: the United States and say Mr Secular, will now hear 1839 01:35:20,320 --> 01:35:22,599 Speaker 1: from you. I've done it a lot, but it doesn't change. 1840 01:35:22,640 --> 01:35:24,200 Speaker 1: You still get goosebumps when they say that. I think 1841 01:35:24,240 --> 01:35:26,880 Speaker 1: about that. You know, Mr Secular, the grandson of a 1842 01:35:26,880 --> 01:35:29,240 Speaker 1: fruit peddler from Brooklyn that was from Russia that went 1843 01:35:29,320 --> 01:35:32,360 Speaker 1: to lived they raised his family in Brooklyn, New York. 1844 01:35:32,600 --> 01:35:36,280 Speaker 1: Bar peddler's uh, Barbara and Barbara and Barbara and a 1845 01:35:36,640 --> 01:35:40,519 Speaker 1: tailor there. You got two grandfathers. There. You go, America 1846 01:35:40,600 --> 01:35:42,320 Speaker 1: just what it is. It's absolutely great. Hey, it's been 1847 01:35:42,360 --> 01:35:44,559 Speaker 1: great sitting in for Shawn, and I want to thank 1848 01:35:44,600 --> 01:35:46,799 Speaker 1: the entire staff of The Shawn Hennity Show for allowing 1849 01:35:46,880 --> 01:35:48,720 Speaker 1: us to do. It's always a blast. And I will 1850 01:35:48,720 --> 01:35:52,840 Speaker 1: tell you this, Sean does a great service every single 1851 01:35:53,160 --> 01:35:54,920 Speaker 1: day that he is on the air, and so does 1852 01:35:54,960 --> 01:35:57,800 Speaker 1: this team that he's got bringing you real news, real insight, 1853 01:35:57,920 --> 01:36:00,680 Speaker 1: real information, but our pleasure. Have a great weekend. Thank you.