1 00:00:00,560 --> 00:00:03,920 Speaker 1: Taking a Walk. The first big engagement he got us 2 00:00:04,080 --> 00:00:08,160 Speaker 1: was in Denver, Colorado, which he'll exist the Wolhurst Country 3 00:00:08,200 --> 00:00:13,399 Speaker 1: Club and we start singing and this big talk just 4 00:00:13,520 --> 00:00:17,000 Speaker 1: got the screaming. I mean, you got a pitch and 5 00:00:17,120 --> 00:00:19,880 Speaker 1: all that. The propriety came up to us and say 6 00:00:20,079 --> 00:00:22,439 Speaker 1: get out of here, get off my stage. 7 00:00:22,560 --> 00:00:26,000 Speaker 2: On this episode of Taking a Walk, Joined Buzz night 8 00:00:26,280 --> 00:00:29,600 Speaker 2: as he talks with a living legend, Duke Fakir is 9 00:00:29,640 --> 00:00:32,879 Speaker 2: the last surviving member of the Four Tops. He and 10 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:36,239 Speaker 2: Kathleen McGee Anderson wrote the book I'll Be There, My 11 00:00:36,360 --> 00:00:40,440 Speaker 2: Life with the Four Tops. Joined Buzz next with Duke Fakir. 12 00:00:42,560 --> 00:00:45,520 Speaker 3: So let's go to the Taking a Walk virtual hotline. 13 00:00:46,120 --> 00:00:49,720 Speaker 3: I want to ask, am I speaking with the living legend, 14 00:00:50,040 --> 00:00:54,400 Speaker 3: heavenly voice, amazing soul named Duke Fakir. 15 00:00:55,120 --> 00:00:59,800 Speaker 4: Well, this is Duke Faki now almost because you given 16 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:03,760 Speaker 4: and all of that, you know that may be part 17 00:01:03,800 --> 00:01:06,880 Speaker 4: of me, I'm not sure I'll let you to be 18 00:01:06,920 --> 00:01:08,199 Speaker 4: the one that's besides. 19 00:01:08,920 --> 00:01:11,520 Speaker 1: But yes, this is due procure and I'm very happy 20 00:01:11,520 --> 00:01:12,759 Speaker 1: to be talking to you, buddy. 21 00:01:13,800 --> 00:01:16,120 Speaker 3: I'm so grateful to be talking to you, Duke. The 22 00:01:16,160 --> 00:01:20,479 Speaker 3: book is tremendous you're the author of I'll Be There, 23 00:01:20,920 --> 00:01:22,720 Speaker 3: My Life with the Four Tops. 24 00:01:23,280 --> 00:01:25,080 Speaker 1: Yeah you did read it. No, that's good. 25 00:01:25,800 --> 00:01:28,280 Speaker 5: Oh man. The book just radiates. 26 00:01:28,400 --> 00:01:34,040 Speaker 3: It's just radiates of joy, sir, it really does well. 27 00:01:34,080 --> 00:01:38,160 Speaker 1: Thank you. I can't wait to get it out as 28 00:01:38,160 --> 00:01:43,119 Speaker 1: a musical so people can really understand who the Four 29 00:01:43,200 --> 00:01:48,480 Speaker 1: Tops are were and and how it all came about, 30 00:01:48,760 --> 00:01:52,040 Speaker 1: and how how joyful it was for us. You know 31 00:01:52,120 --> 00:01:55,720 Speaker 1: it was, and it still is for me, you know, 32 00:01:55,760 --> 00:01:58,120 Speaker 1: because the best best part of my day is still 33 00:01:58,160 --> 00:01:59,000 Speaker 1: on stage. 34 00:01:59,800 --> 00:02:02,440 Speaker 3: So the books available at Amazon, and we're going to 35 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:05,000 Speaker 3: talk about bringing it to the stage a little bit 36 00:02:05,080 --> 00:02:05,600 Speaker 3: later on. 37 00:02:06,160 --> 00:02:09,639 Speaker 5: But do me a favorite, duke. Take me back. 38 00:02:10,320 --> 00:02:13,800 Speaker 3: You're three years old, right, and you're waiting for your 39 00:02:14,080 --> 00:02:17,280 Speaker 3: pops to bring you one of those Coney Island hot 40 00:02:17,320 --> 00:02:20,960 Speaker 3: talks that are so notable from the Detroit, Michigan area. 41 00:02:21,560 --> 00:02:24,680 Speaker 3: Tell me, can you remember how good that puppy tasted 42 00:02:24,720 --> 00:02:26,200 Speaker 3: when he brought it home? 43 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:31,519 Speaker 1: Well? Absolutely yes, And I still eat them. That's how 44 00:02:31,600 --> 00:02:35,639 Speaker 1: well I remember. I still love those Coney Islands just 45 00:02:36,639 --> 00:02:39,120 Speaker 1: and I can. You know, I can remember more about 46 00:02:39,160 --> 00:02:42,440 Speaker 1: when I was younger than I can what I did yesterday. 47 00:02:42,880 --> 00:02:49,280 Speaker 1: It's just amazing. Sometimes the mine worked, but that's still 48 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:52,400 Speaker 1: those hot dogs strung me out. I mean I still 49 00:02:52,440 --> 00:02:56,120 Speaker 1: eat them today. I look forward to eat and eat them, 50 00:02:56,560 --> 00:02:58,320 Speaker 1: and I'll go out and get him, or I have 51 00:02:58,400 --> 00:03:01,280 Speaker 1: somebody get him for me. But I don't need a 52 00:03:01,280 --> 00:03:03,080 Speaker 1: lot of them at a time. I might eat one 53 00:03:03,919 --> 00:03:07,240 Speaker 1: and then skip a day and then I need another one. 54 00:03:07,520 --> 00:03:10,200 Speaker 1: But I still love, absolutely loving. 55 00:03:12,080 --> 00:03:15,960 Speaker 3: As I said, Duke, the book radiates of love and 56 00:03:16,040 --> 00:03:20,960 Speaker 3: of gratitude. Those are some lessons that really shaped you, 57 00:03:22,280 --> 00:03:26,119 Speaker 3: especially in your early days, from your your folks. 58 00:03:26,160 --> 00:03:32,040 Speaker 1: Correct, correct, I'm thankfully I've always been surrounded by a 59 00:03:32,080 --> 00:03:36,480 Speaker 1: lot of love and it has really helped me. I 60 00:03:36,520 --> 00:03:40,960 Speaker 1: mean it was that that has always been me. Whenever 61 00:03:40,960 --> 00:03:45,200 Speaker 1: I'm in a situation or around people where there's not 62 00:03:45,920 --> 00:03:51,120 Speaker 1: love radiating them, I'm very uncomfortable. My family was a 63 00:03:51,280 --> 00:03:54,800 Speaker 1: very lovable family. Then we went to the Forks Tops family, 64 00:03:54,840 --> 00:04:00,600 Speaker 1: which was all about love, respect and honor, and and 65 00:04:01,600 --> 00:04:04,400 Speaker 1: I see it in the people's eyes day in and 66 00:04:04,520 --> 00:04:08,560 Speaker 1: day out, every every every show, because I look at 67 00:04:08,600 --> 00:04:12,880 Speaker 1: people very intensely, and I like to, you know, reaction, 68 00:04:13,760 --> 00:04:15,560 Speaker 1: and I can see a lot of love and a 69 00:04:15,560 --> 00:04:20,160 Speaker 1: lot of respect, and it's always to me, everything seems 70 00:04:20,200 --> 00:04:24,000 Speaker 1: to me to be about a family of love. Even 71 00:04:24,160 --> 00:04:27,600 Speaker 1: my team that we're working on the musical, that the 72 00:04:27,600 --> 00:04:30,840 Speaker 1: young lady that helped me write the book, it's all 73 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:35,039 Speaker 1: it's all about love, and I am. I don't mind 74 00:04:35,160 --> 00:04:38,560 Speaker 1: saying it, you know, because you know, love comes. Love 75 00:04:38,640 --> 00:04:42,040 Speaker 1: comes in so many different poems, you know, and I've 76 00:04:42,200 --> 00:04:46,839 Speaker 1: experienced pretty much all the forms that there are. If 77 00:04:46,960 --> 00:04:51,440 Speaker 1: love is the common denominator, oh, then it's such a joy. 78 00:04:52,120 --> 00:04:54,479 Speaker 1: I just like that. I was like I was born 79 00:04:54,520 --> 00:04:57,680 Speaker 1: with it, you know. I think I'm born on the sense, 80 00:04:57,839 --> 00:05:02,520 Speaker 1: you know, between the Maslem and Christian and both of 81 00:05:02,520 --> 00:05:06,000 Speaker 1: those are really about peace and love. And I think 82 00:05:06,040 --> 00:05:08,559 Speaker 1: I've really got a good part of both of those 83 00:05:09,200 --> 00:05:12,560 Speaker 1: because i feel that I'm very uncomfortable when I'm around 84 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:17,040 Speaker 1: things that does not radiate love. I'm just like that, 85 00:05:17,760 --> 00:05:20,920 Speaker 1: and I understand it, and I'll just hurry up. I'll 86 00:05:20,960 --> 00:05:24,200 Speaker 1: turn my back and walk away quickly. You know. I 87 00:05:24,200 --> 00:05:26,760 Speaker 1: don't have a run from anything, but I know how 88 00:05:26,760 --> 00:05:30,320 Speaker 1: to get out. You know how to get out from 89 00:05:30,720 --> 00:05:33,480 Speaker 1: growing up in Detroit. You have to learn how to 90 00:05:33,600 --> 00:05:39,200 Speaker 1: escape this different situations. So I know how to But 91 00:05:39,720 --> 00:05:43,159 Speaker 1: most of the time in my especially since I've been 92 00:05:43,480 --> 00:05:46,839 Speaker 1: grown up, I've experienced a lot, a lot, a lot 93 00:05:46,880 --> 00:05:50,479 Speaker 1: of love. And my wife and I we are on 94 00:05:51,920 --> 00:05:55,600 Speaker 1: forty ninth year as soon as it hits next year, 95 00:05:55,760 --> 00:05:59,359 Speaker 1: which is twenty four. Just like we was singing with 96 00:05:59,440 --> 00:06:02,040 Speaker 1: the Top, for any one of us passed away, we 97 00:06:02,080 --> 00:06:06,719 Speaker 1: did like forty forty years together at least, you know, 98 00:06:06,839 --> 00:06:10,200 Speaker 1: and I still kept it going even as the guys 99 00:06:10,520 --> 00:06:13,520 Speaker 1: you know, went home. I just kept it going because 100 00:06:13,560 --> 00:06:17,080 Speaker 1: it was a gift to us to do. And I'm 101 00:06:17,160 --> 00:06:19,840 Speaker 1: just very pro proud that I was a member or 102 00:06:19,920 --> 00:06:23,240 Speaker 1: I am a member of the Four Tops, Which is 103 00:06:24,200 --> 00:06:27,200 Speaker 1: the thing about love. They gave a lot of love. 104 00:06:27,880 --> 00:06:31,120 Speaker 1: In fact, when we first got together, it changed, I 105 00:06:31,160 --> 00:06:36,680 Speaker 1: can tell right away. It changed their perspective of people. 106 00:06:37,640 --> 00:06:40,400 Speaker 1: Then they said, you know, they started looking at loving 107 00:06:40,440 --> 00:06:43,120 Speaker 1: people and the joint. You know, it was just it 108 00:06:43,279 --> 00:06:46,919 Speaker 1: was so much love, so much understanding, and there was 109 00:06:46,960 --> 00:06:50,200 Speaker 1: so much talent there. You know, when you're young and 110 00:06:50,360 --> 00:06:53,880 Speaker 1: have talents, you know, you can really show it in 111 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:58,560 Speaker 1: different ways. And we were very fortunate in having a 112 00:06:58,600 --> 00:07:04,760 Speaker 1: young man his head. He knew every note in every 113 00:07:04,880 --> 00:07:08,760 Speaker 1: chord and he just would pass it on to us. 114 00:07:09,440 --> 00:07:13,640 Speaker 1: You know, it's amazing how he could hear he could 115 00:07:13,680 --> 00:07:16,400 Speaker 1: we could have be rehearsing with a ten piece band 116 00:07:16,880 --> 00:07:18,760 Speaker 1: and if one of them hit a room and say, hey, 117 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:22,360 Speaker 1: hey you that first also and that was a B 118 00:07:22,600 --> 00:07:28,000 Speaker 1: flat not a bee you know, and stuff like that. Uh, 119 00:07:28,200 --> 00:07:31,400 Speaker 1: that's amazing. That's a hell of a gift, you know, 120 00:07:31,520 --> 00:07:36,160 Speaker 1: especially in entertainment. Uh. And it has passed on to 121 00:07:36,280 --> 00:07:41,840 Speaker 1: his son who sings with us now. So it's it's amazing. 122 00:07:42,320 --> 00:07:44,680 Speaker 1: It's been amazing there because it's stilled with all kinds 123 00:07:44,680 --> 00:07:51,640 Speaker 1: of wonderful, wonderful stories and side sidebars and and things, 124 00:07:51,800 --> 00:07:56,120 Speaker 1: but it's all grafted from love. And I look at 125 00:07:56,120 --> 00:07:59,640 Speaker 1: the world today and I said, how where what happened 126 00:07:59,640 --> 00:08:01,760 Speaker 1: to the to the love? To me? There was so 127 00:08:01,880 --> 00:08:04,440 Speaker 1: much more love when I was a kid. I mean 128 00:08:04,480 --> 00:08:08,080 Speaker 1: in the world, not just in my family, but you know, 129 00:08:08,200 --> 00:08:12,120 Speaker 1: even though there was segregation, there was still it. Just 130 00:08:12,840 --> 00:08:16,200 Speaker 1: well we we knew it existed, and you're just try 131 00:08:16,320 --> 00:08:20,320 Speaker 1: not to do things to bring it and put the 132 00:08:20,320 --> 00:08:23,480 Speaker 1: balloon in your face. When music is in the air, 133 00:08:24,120 --> 00:08:29,560 Speaker 1: the people don't think about color, nationality and all that. 134 00:08:30,160 --> 00:08:34,280 Speaker 1: Music is his own world and it sucks people in, 135 00:08:35,280 --> 00:08:39,720 Speaker 1: especially if it's done really well, and it sounds good 136 00:08:39,760 --> 00:08:43,240 Speaker 1: and feels good. People didn't think about anything but what 137 00:08:43,480 --> 00:08:47,439 Speaker 1: that feeling is. And I've experienced watching I've watched people 138 00:08:47,480 --> 00:08:53,160 Speaker 1: who who I thought would be racially compelled to do 139 00:08:53,600 --> 00:08:57,280 Speaker 1: or be another way, but music would just st will 140 00:08:57,320 --> 00:09:00,880 Speaker 1: sooth the heart and you know, and just bring them 141 00:09:00,880 --> 00:09:06,600 Speaker 1: into the fold. I remember on our first Motown tour, well, 142 00:09:06,760 --> 00:09:09,760 Speaker 1: you know it was it was segregated. We were played 143 00:09:09,760 --> 00:09:15,679 Speaker 1: and segregated audiences. Uh, you know, the blacks would have 144 00:09:15,840 --> 00:09:17,680 Speaker 1: to sit up in the balcony and all the whites 145 00:09:17,720 --> 00:09:20,800 Speaker 1: would be on the first floor. So after about two 146 00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:25,200 Speaker 1: or three gigs, Barry Gordy's sister who ran esther Gordy, 147 00:09:25,280 --> 00:09:29,480 Speaker 1: who who ran those tours and then created those tours 148 00:09:29,520 --> 00:09:33,000 Speaker 1: for all the tops and the temps and every and 149 00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:36,600 Speaker 1: everyone that was there, she said, look, we can't keep 150 00:09:36,640 --> 00:09:39,000 Speaker 1: doing this, she says. So she just broke up the 151 00:09:39,080 --> 00:09:41,800 Speaker 1: tour and she said, let's go home. Said this is 152 00:09:41,840 --> 00:09:47,160 Speaker 1: not good, you know, And we went home. And after 153 00:09:47,240 --> 00:09:51,439 Speaker 1: some conversation I guess with promoters and different people, they 154 00:09:51,480 --> 00:09:55,840 Speaker 1: made they created another tour and it was it was 155 00:09:55,960 --> 00:09:58,760 Speaker 1: just a loving tour. I mean, we for the first 156 00:09:58,800 --> 00:10:02,760 Speaker 1: time you really saw people don't be dancing together of 157 00:10:02,920 --> 00:10:05,560 Speaker 1: different colors. The music just they would get out their 158 00:10:05,640 --> 00:10:09,960 Speaker 1: seat and just go to dancing. And it was just amazing, wonderful, 159 00:10:10,040 --> 00:10:13,120 Speaker 1: wonderful sight to see, you know, it was standing. We 160 00:10:13,160 --> 00:10:17,439 Speaker 1: would stand backstage, all of us, every artist, and kind 161 00:10:17,480 --> 00:10:20,480 Speaker 1: of keep an eye on what's going on, you know, 162 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:23,600 Speaker 1: just from being used to doing that, from watching out 163 00:10:24,960 --> 00:10:27,640 Speaker 1: because we didn't know, you know, what was going on 164 00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:30,880 Speaker 1: sometimes with the audiences. But after that, it was just 165 00:10:30,880 --> 00:10:34,600 Speaker 1: a joy to see how people just they loved they 166 00:10:34,679 --> 00:10:37,480 Speaker 1: loved the music. They didn't think about it, you know, 167 00:10:37,720 --> 00:10:40,880 Speaker 1: they didn't care. You know, of course there's always want 168 00:10:40,960 --> 00:10:43,600 Speaker 1: ed to somewhere that have their own well thank you, 169 00:10:43,640 --> 00:10:46,240 Speaker 1: but we time I'm talking about it, people were full 170 00:10:46,360 --> 00:10:50,920 Speaker 1: of love, understanding, happiness, joy and all that kind of stuff, 171 00:10:51,000 --> 00:10:53,520 Speaker 1: and you could feel it and it would just make you. 172 00:10:53,640 --> 00:10:56,960 Speaker 1: It would make you sing more from your heart than 173 00:10:57,160 --> 00:11:00,800 Speaker 1: just singing words and notes. You know, you would be 174 00:11:00,880 --> 00:11:04,280 Speaker 1: singing a feeling and you try to project it and 175 00:11:04,600 --> 00:11:06,839 Speaker 1: give it, give it out to them because they've given 176 00:11:06,880 --> 00:11:12,640 Speaker 1: you a great feeling with all their their collaps, they're 177 00:11:12,720 --> 00:11:16,480 Speaker 1: dancing singing with you, and it's just it's just a 178 00:11:16,640 --> 00:11:20,200 Speaker 1: joy and this deal is the best part of my day. 179 00:11:20,920 --> 00:11:24,920 Speaker 1: You know. Even even now, I'm totally enjoyed. I can't 180 00:11:24,960 --> 00:11:28,559 Speaker 1: wait to get to work because it's not work, it's joyful. 181 00:11:28,720 --> 00:11:32,480 Speaker 1: It's just being in a in an arena of joy. 182 00:11:33,240 --> 00:11:36,840 Speaker 3: Oh, Duke, I love that comment. An arena of joy. 183 00:11:37,240 --> 00:11:40,040 Speaker 3: That's a beautiful way to put it. Now, there's a 184 00:11:40,120 --> 00:11:43,120 Speaker 3: number of characters, Duke in the book who they kind 185 00:11:43,120 --> 00:11:46,640 Speaker 3: of shape the storyline. There's one I want to ask 186 00:11:46,679 --> 00:11:48,800 Speaker 3: you about that was really important. Maybe I'll ask you 187 00:11:48,800 --> 00:11:52,839 Speaker 3: about a couple. Uh Joe Anne Artist. First of all, 188 00:11:52,880 --> 00:11:56,040 Speaker 3: talk about what she meant to you early on in 189 00:11:56,080 --> 00:11:56,600 Speaker 3: your life. 190 00:11:56,800 --> 00:12:01,920 Speaker 1: Giant giant art. This was a schoolmate, but she belonged. 191 00:12:02,160 --> 00:12:08,040 Speaker 1: She was like to hit of this club of black girls. 192 00:12:08,040 --> 00:12:13,319 Speaker 1: She haras odd and she she and the girls, they 193 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:17,240 Speaker 1: were crazy about it about us, you know. And when 194 00:12:17,280 --> 00:12:20,679 Speaker 1: she gave this party, we we that's how we got together. 195 00:12:21,080 --> 00:12:24,400 Speaker 1: But she she liked us individually anyway. She was just 196 00:12:24,480 --> 00:12:27,880 Speaker 1: that kind of girl. And we were, you know, we 197 00:12:28,640 --> 00:12:32,440 Speaker 1: act classy. We weren't, but when we acted at that 198 00:12:32,559 --> 00:12:35,160 Speaker 1: age because we liked being around them. They were beautiful, 199 00:12:35,760 --> 00:12:40,000 Speaker 1: they were understanding, they were smart. Uh. And so when 200 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:43,080 Speaker 1: she gave this party, and that's how we really got together. 201 00:12:43,840 --> 00:12:44,200 Speaker 5: Uh. 202 00:12:44,960 --> 00:12:48,600 Speaker 1: Me and Levi had been together for a while, uh 203 00:12:49,040 --> 00:12:52,559 Speaker 1: thinking about singing and and and how we could get 204 00:12:52,600 --> 00:12:55,760 Speaker 1: a group and what. And then we decided to get 205 00:12:55,840 --> 00:13:00,920 Speaker 1: mister Benson because she had a nice bartone own voice 206 00:13:01,360 --> 00:13:03,160 Speaker 1: and he could almost sing jinn know, he had a 207 00:13:03,320 --> 00:13:07,199 Speaker 1: very good range. Then he's a smiling guy. He's very 208 00:13:07,200 --> 00:13:11,560 Speaker 1: good with the girls. And Lawrence Peyton, now we knew 209 00:13:11,600 --> 00:13:15,959 Speaker 1: his family was totally about music. I would walk by 210 00:13:16,360 --> 00:13:19,080 Speaker 1: down the street where he lived. We all lived in 211 00:13:19,080 --> 00:13:22,800 Speaker 1: the same neighborhood, and they would be sitting on the porch, 212 00:13:22,960 --> 00:13:27,520 Speaker 1: all parts of their family singing, singing all kinds of singing, lullabout, 213 00:13:27,720 --> 00:13:32,680 Speaker 1: singing church songs, singing gospel, singing, love songs. And to 214 00:13:32,760 --> 00:13:37,440 Speaker 1: find out that Lawrence Peyton is his family is a 215 00:13:37,480 --> 00:13:43,000 Speaker 1: descendant from the Ellington, from Duke Ellington, so that music, 216 00:13:43,320 --> 00:13:46,800 Speaker 1: somehow another just runs through that family in their heads. 217 00:13:47,440 --> 00:13:51,520 Speaker 1: They can they know music without having to study anything, 218 00:13:52,400 --> 00:13:55,119 Speaker 1: and they just hear it and it's just amazing. 219 00:13:56,120 --> 00:13:59,880 Speaker 3: Okay, Duke, now tell me about this gentleman. I think 220 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:02,840 Speaker 3: he was I'm not mistaken. He was known as the 221 00:14:02,920 --> 00:14:07,400 Speaker 3: ex con singer named Welton Barnett. 222 00:14:08,400 --> 00:14:12,680 Speaker 1: Well, Welton Barnette he was I think you mis understood 223 00:14:12,720 --> 00:14:15,360 Speaker 1: that Welton Barnett was not the singer. He was a 224 00:14:15,440 --> 00:14:20,120 Speaker 1: guy that kind of he was like a manager, you know. 225 00:14:20,280 --> 00:14:24,680 Speaker 1: But he would sick and he would ask us to sing. 226 00:14:24,880 --> 00:14:26,880 Speaker 1: We would get gigs now he could get. He would 227 00:14:26,920 --> 00:14:31,000 Speaker 1: get gigs for us and we would go to Toledo 228 00:14:31,040 --> 00:14:33,880 Speaker 1: where he lives, and he would have us singing at 229 00:14:33,920 --> 00:14:37,800 Speaker 1: one of these clubs. And then he's the one that 230 00:14:37,880 --> 00:14:42,000 Speaker 1: got us an engagement in Denver, and that was this 231 00:14:42,200 --> 00:14:46,000 Speaker 1: was before the Four Tops. This was basically just Levi 232 00:14:46,320 --> 00:14:51,320 Speaker 1: and I and we would get whatever he would put together. Uh, 233 00:14:51,400 --> 00:14:54,160 Speaker 1: and it was it was a chore really because Levi 234 00:14:54,360 --> 00:14:58,760 Speaker 1: was the great lead singer. But Wilson Evarnett he liked 235 00:14:58,800 --> 00:15:02,800 Speaker 1: this tall couldn't to me, couldn't sing a fucking note, 236 00:15:03,440 --> 00:15:08,640 Speaker 1: but but he sang. But he sings so loud and 237 00:15:08,720 --> 00:15:11,640 Speaker 1: so high. And then Levi I was just you know, 238 00:15:11,680 --> 00:15:15,000 Speaker 1: and try to get with it. The first big engagement 239 00:15:15,000 --> 00:15:18,920 Speaker 1: he got us was in Denver, Colorado, which still exists, 240 00:15:18,920 --> 00:15:24,000 Speaker 1: the Wolhurst Country Club, and we start singing, and this 241 00:15:24,200 --> 00:15:29,080 Speaker 1: big tall guy just got the screaming, I mean, out 242 00:15:29,120 --> 00:15:33,280 Speaker 1: of pitch and all that. The propriety came up to 243 00:15:33,360 --> 00:15:35,880 Speaker 1: us and say, get the funk out of here, get 244 00:15:35,920 --> 00:15:40,040 Speaker 1: off my stage. If you heard this guy singing, you know, 245 00:15:40,280 --> 00:15:42,040 Speaker 1: you know he had in fact, he was an ex 246 00:15:42,120 --> 00:15:47,160 Speaker 1: con he had he had no business, you know, being 247 00:15:47,200 --> 00:15:50,800 Speaker 1: in show business at all. He looked like a convict too. 248 00:15:50,960 --> 00:15:53,560 Speaker 1: He was one in his head. He still was, and 249 00:15:53,680 --> 00:15:55,480 Speaker 1: his voice was still down. 250 00:15:58,240 --> 00:15:59,800 Speaker 5: You know the look. 251 00:16:00,280 --> 00:16:02,960 Speaker 3: I could actually visualize it from the book. I could 252 00:16:02,960 --> 00:16:06,480 Speaker 3: see the look between you and Levi Stubbs actually kind 253 00:16:06,480 --> 00:16:09,320 Speaker 3: of looking at each other, almost rolling your eyes when 254 00:16:09,320 --> 00:16:10,160 Speaker 3: that guy was singing. 255 00:16:10,880 --> 00:16:14,400 Speaker 1: Yep, it was just yeah, if you could tell then 256 00:16:14,280 --> 00:16:17,040 Speaker 1: that there was something going on, people would watch up 257 00:16:17,080 --> 00:16:19,840 Speaker 1: and me, leave me and leave I would be eyeing 258 00:16:19,880 --> 00:16:23,800 Speaker 1: each other almost. We were almost crack it up because 259 00:16:24,120 --> 00:16:27,880 Speaker 1: you know, it's pretty hard, you know, just keep calm 260 00:16:27,960 --> 00:16:32,080 Speaker 1: and be smiling and be pleasant for the artist. One 261 00:16:32,080 --> 00:16:35,520 Speaker 1: of your lead singer is sounding like shit keeps you know, 262 00:16:37,560 --> 00:16:42,960 Speaker 1: that's just but anyway, uh, we lived through it. And 263 00:16:43,080 --> 00:16:45,480 Speaker 1: right after that, after that guy put through us out 264 00:16:45,480 --> 00:16:49,000 Speaker 1: of his place in Denver, Levi we and I. We 265 00:16:49,040 --> 00:16:51,480 Speaker 1: took a bus and get home. And it was very 266 00:16:51,600 --> 00:16:54,440 Speaker 1: soon after that that we went to because of LEVI 267 00:16:54,600 --> 00:16:58,760 Speaker 1: and I were in school together. Also, very soon after 268 00:16:58,800 --> 00:17:01,800 Speaker 1: that that when Joan and ih just this lovely young 269 00:17:01,880 --> 00:17:07,720 Speaker 1: girl gave that party. Now I saw her the rest 270 00:17:07,720 --> 00:17:11,560 Speaker 1: of my life up until about four or four years ago, 271 00:17:11,600 --> 00:17:16,120 Speaker 1: because he worked at Triple A, and I always kept 272 00:17:16,119 --> 00:17:19,119 Speaker 1: Triple A and Shure because I always got a chance 273 00:17:19,160 --> 00:17:21,920 Speaker 1: to see her and talk to her a little bit 274 00:17:22,119 --> 00:17:26,320 Speaker 1: every now and then. So, you know, life is life 275 00:17:26,320 --> 00:17:29,280 Speaker 1: has been approval for me. You know, there's been ups 276 00:17:29,280 --> 00:17:33,120 Speaker 1: and downs, but it's the ups has been so far 277 00:17:33,280 --> 00:17:36,720 Speaker 1: up that you I can't even think about the downs. 278 00:17:36,840 --> 00:17:41,000 Speaker 1: If I do, it's in a joking music way. You 279 00:17:41,040 --> 00:17:43,479 Speaker 1: know how we got through it and all of that. 280 00:17:44,720 --> 00:17:48,000 Speaker 3: Now, Duke, there's some venues that you talk about in 281 00:17:48,040 --> 00:17:52,560 Speaker 3: the book. I'll mention a couple. Get your reaction. One 282 00:17:52,600 --> 00:17:56,280 Speaker 3: I'll mention is the Ebony Lounge in Cleveland, and the 283 00:17:56,359 --> 00:18:01,000 Speaker 3: other it's called Eddie's Lounge in Flint. Mission again, paint 284 00:18:01,040 --> 00:18:02,720 Speaker 3: a picture of what these places were like. 285 00:18:03,720 --> 00:18:07,760 Speaker 1: Okay, back in the fifties, there were quite a few 286 00:18:08,520 --> 00:18:12,560 Speaker 1: of these type of clubs. There are clubs that maybe 287 00:18:12,760 --> 00:18:17,119 Speaker 1: sit sit from six hundred down to two hundred, you know, 288 00:18:17,680 --> 00:18:22,760 Speaker 1: and they always had a little combo plan and they 289 00:18:22,760 --> 00:18:26,119 Speaker 1: would have artists that were just if they would book 290 00:18:26,440 --> 00:18:29,160 Speaker 1: for one night or two nights or for a weekend. 291 00:18:30,080 --> 00:18:33,840 Speaker 1: And they were in almost every city. Uh And there 292 00:18:33,840 --> 00:18:38,840 Speaker 1: were mostly you know, black gone clubs and black run clubs, 293 00:18:39,280 --> 00:18:42,639 Speaker 1: and it was pretty much, you know, it was pretty 294 00:18:42,680 --> 00:18:45,760 Speaker 1: much just a good hangout and for them just to 295 00:18:45,800 --> 00:18:51,320 Speaker 1: have a little extra entertainment on the weekend, which a 296 00:18:51,359 --> 00:18:55,000 Speaker 1: lot of a lot of groups and artists were coming 297 00:18:55,080 --> 00:18:58,240 Speaker 1: up at that time. And there was always in every 298 00:18:58,240 --> 00:19:01,960 Speaker 1: city there were both kind of clubs, partly to paint 299 00:19:02,000 --> 00:19:06,280 Speaker 1: that picture if you got there. But it's just just 300 00:19:06,280 --> 00:19:10,480 Speaker 1: wonderful clubs. People just hanging out for the weekends and 301 00:19:10,520 --> 00:19:13,080 Speaker 1: on the you know, on the weekends usually or sometimes 302 00:19:13,080 --> 00:19:15,600 Speaker 1: for a whole week according to how the club was, 303 00:19:15,880 --> 00:19:19,439 Speaker 1: uh managed, Well, we like to hang out. What I 304 00:19:19,520 --> 00:19:22,520 Speaker 1: mean by we, I'm talking about all my all the 305 00:19:22,600 --> 00:19:26,840 Speaker 1: black people I know I've always enjoyed. They work hard 306 00:19:26,920 --> 00:19:28,919 Speaker 1: during the week and on the weekends they want to 307 00:19:28,960 --> 00:19:32,040 Speaker 1: get out and hang out with people and have fun 308 00:19:32,560 --> 00:19:36,320 Speaker 1: and listen to music, to sing and dance, and I 309 00:19:36,440 --> 00:19:39,760 Speaker 1: believe everybody in Detroit the saying, I always believe that. 310 00:19:40,320 --> 00:19:44,320 Speaker 1: Somebody said, how many groups come out of Detroit. I say, 311 00:19:44,400 --> 00:19:46,000 Speaker 1: I don't know. I said, but there could be as 312 00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:48,560 Speaker 1: many groups as they want. But to me, everybody in 313 00:19:48,680 --> 00:19:51,880 Speaker 1: Detroit saying, they always have been around music, whether it's 314 00:19:51,880 --> 00:19:55,120 Speaker 1: in whether it's in church, or whether it's somewhere, They've 315 00:19:55,160 --> 00:19:58,080 Speaker 1: always been around music. And they just expect you to 316 00:19:58,119 --> 00:20:01,280 Speaker 1: be able to sing. And they can sing this up 317 00:20:01,840 --> 00:20:04,480 Speaker 1: and they know singing. They know when you're not hitting 318 00:20:04,480 --> 00:20:07,400 Speaker 1: them notes, and they also know when you're hitting notes 319 00:20:07,440 --> 00:20:10,400 Speaker 1: and making great harmony and when you sing it from 320 00:20:10,400 --> 00:20:13,240 Speaker 1: your heart or when you're singing this is my home. 321 00:20:13,280 --> 00:20:16,840 Speaker 1: I love Detroit. I love how it's come through its changes. 322 00:20:17,840 --> 00:20:20,840 Speaker 1: I just can't wait till her, till the day because 323 00:20:20,840 --> 00:20:22,960 Speaker 1: it's getting it the end of my career, and I'm 324 00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:26,399 Speaker 1: starting to think what you're going to do when you 325 00:20:26,520 --> 00:20:30,080 Speaker 1: retire now. A month or two ago, I was thinking 326 00:20:30,119 --> 00:20:32,920 Speaker 1: about it. I looked at my age and I said, Duke, 327 00:20:33,040 --> 00:20:35,800 Speaker 1: you've been doing this for them. It's seventy years now. 328 00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:40,240 Speaker 1: It just seemed that you should not have to want 329 00:20:40,280 --> 00:20:43,160 Speaker 1: to do it anymore. I said, well, okay, I think 330 00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:46,119 Speaker 1: I'll start. I'm talking to myself. So I talked to 331 00:20:46,160 --> 00:20:48,880 Speaker 1: my wife and I was talking about when I possible 332 00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:52,040 Speaker 1: and retire, and it was just that we're talking about 333 00:20:52,080 --> 00:20:55,640 Speaker 1: a few months ahead. And then that's just a couple 334 00:20:55,640 --> 00:20:58,600 Speaker 1: of years ago. That's when the pandemic hit. We stayed 335 00:20:58,600 --> 00:21:00,879 Speaker 1: at home for so long. I said, you know what, 336 00:21:01,040 --> 00:21:08,680 Speaker 1: this is retirement and this ain't shit. I just wait 337 00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:11,560 Speaker 1: until I can't do it no more. So here I 338 00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:16,720 Speaker 1: am now not thinking about retirement. I'm thinking about moving forward. 339 00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:20,560 Speaker 1: I still can dance a little. I've lost quite a 340 00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:24,840 Speaker 1: few steps because of my hips, operations and things like that. 341 00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:31,440 Speaker 1: So this is what I do. You know, and guess 342 00:21:31,520 --> 00:21:34,359 Speaker 1: what I was made for this. You know. 343 00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:36,600 Speaker 3: One of your mentors in the book that you talk 344 00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:41,320 Speaker 3: about is the great Billy Eckstein, and he said, and 345 00:21:41,359 --> 00:21:45,199 Speaker 3: I'll quote, you've got to love the audience. And I 346 00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:48,800 Speaker 3: think at its core, that's why you're going to keep 347 00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:51,520 Speaker 3: doing this, because you just love your audience. 348 00:21:52,560 --> 00:21:53,320 Speaker 5: Isn't that true? 349 00:21:53,880 --> 00:21:57,840 Speaker 1: That is absolutely true, It really is. I mean the 350 00:21:57,920 --> 00:22:02,240 Speaker 1: feeling I get, I'm anxious every show before it's time 351 00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:05,840 Speaker 1: to go on, I'm anxious to get out there and perform, 352 00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:10,000 Speaker 1: and I'd like to scan the audience and and try 353 00:22:10,040 --> 00:22:14,040 Speaker 1: to read their expressions. And it's always great expressions, you know. 354 00:22:14,119 --> 00:22:17,560 Speaker 1: It's very seldom can I look out there and find 355 00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:20,280 Speaker 1: a person with a frown on their face. It's just 356 00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:23,679 Speaker 1: and it's just wonderful, you know. It's just you know, 357 00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:28,000 Speaker 1: to feel love and respect every night that you perform. 358 00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:33,160 Speaker 1: That is that is a way of life itself. Living 359 00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:36,840 Speaker 1: in that atmosphere work And you know, I hate to 360 00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:39,720 Speaker 1: call this work because it's not work. To me. Work 361 00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:43,639 Speaker 1: is getting on the getting on my bus and traveling 362 00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:47,119 Speaker 1: to engage that that to me is work. But once 363 00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:50,199 Speaker 1: we h that's their venue, it's just all play. For me, 364 00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:54,320 Speaker 1: it's like a basketball player getting in the gym, you know, 365 00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:59,520 Speaker 1: get once I get the stage. That's that's why I 366 00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:02,959 Speaker 1: feel it home and the most. And I just I 367 00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:07,760 Speaker 1: love watching people get the feeling. You know, it's just amazing. 368 00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:11,640 Speaker 1: You know that you can you can see how much 369 00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:15,399 Speaker 1: they enjoy it, and it's just it just gets me. 370 00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:18,640 Speaker 1: And I think it still gets even the new shops, 371 00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:23,480 Speaker 1: you know. Uh, I think we they've learned that this 372 00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:27,520 Speaker 1: is what it's about. It's about the people having as 373 00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:33,080 Speaker 1: much fun as you or more. Yeah, And it's about 374 00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:36,720 Speaker 1: transferring something to them so that they get it. It 375 00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:40,280 Speaker 1: ain't it ain't just about singing notes. It ain't just 376 00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:44,399 Speaker 1: about you know, dressing well. It's about giving out a 377 00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:48,199 Speaker 1: spirit of love in your music that they can feel 378 00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:52,679 Speaker 1: and and they respond when you do that. You know, 379 00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:56,160 Speaker 1: we know when somebody is aching and then don't give 380 00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:59,399 Speaker 1: their best, you know, and it and it hurts the 381 00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:03,480 Speaker 1: whole group to me, and we have long talked about it, said, look, man, 382 00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:06,920 Speaker 1: you cannot carry anything that's happened to you in the day, 383 00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:09,720 Speaker 1: on the night of what happened at home. You can't 384 00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:12,600 Speaker 1: carry that on stage. The stage is for you to 385 00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:16,480 Speaker 1: wipe it out and to feel what the audience have 386 00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:19,840 Speaker 1: for you. They're waiting to give you that love and 387 00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:22,879 Speaker 1: you can tell and when you do it right, you 388 00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:26,520 Speaker 1: get it right away. And then it's just a wonderful 389 00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:33,040 Speaker 1: love affairs and it's and it's amazing. It's amazing for 390 00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:35,200 Speaker 1: me when I think about it. To go through life. 391 00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:41,960 Speaker 1: My job is going to places where there's love, always love, respect, 392 00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:44,120 Speaker 1: Sama Duke. 393 00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:49,280 Speaker 3: There's been some moments of incredible faithful moments, I would say, 394 00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:50,520 Speaker 3: and faithful. 395 00:24:50,119 --> 00:24:52,040 Speaker 5: Moments that come up in the book. 396 00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:54,840 Speaker 3: There's one in particular I want to ask you about, 397 00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:58,600 Speaker 3: and that is the locker Bee moment. It's kind of 398 00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:01,760 Speaker 3: a moment of faith, and say, can you talk about 399 00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:05,760 Speaker 3: that experience, just how you knew before then that there 400 00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:08,199 Speaker 3: was like a higher power that was kind of working 401 00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:11,680 Speaker 3: in your life, and you certainly knew there was a 402 00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:13,280 Speaker 3: higher power after that. 403 00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:21,120 Speaker 1: Oh. Absolutely. We were in London, England, and we had 404 00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:26,399 Speaker 1: two different shows to two different sets to do on 405 00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:31,000 Speaker 1: two different days. For this particularly show, which was their 406 00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:34,399 Speaker 1: big rock show, I'll think of the name in a minute, 407 00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:39,119 Speaker 1: the producer wanted us to do like it was scheduled, 408 00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:43,200 Speaker 1: you do two songs today and tomorrow you can do 409 00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:47,560 Speaker 1: two songs on our next set. So now this is 410 00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:51,040 Speaker 1: close to very close to Christmas, very close, you know. 411 00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:54,880 Speaker 1: We said, look, man, it'd be nice if we could 412 00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:59,560 Speaker 1: just check one day, even if you wanted to change clothes, Gale, 413 00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:02,040 Speaker 1: come on for minutes and come back and do a 414 00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:04,960 Speaker 1: couple of mores. You know. He said no, He said no, 415 00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:08,040 Speaker 1: it's set up that you have to do the second night. 416 00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:11,960 Speaker 1: I said no, And we tried every kind of conversation 417 00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:16,240 Speaker 1: to him and and he just would not change. And 418 00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:20,480 Speaker 1: I am so we would after after we realized what 419 00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:24,800 Speaker 1: really happened. We were so bad. I'm telling you, we 420 00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:27,320 Speaker 1: all we all wanted to go kiss that guy, honestly, 421 00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:31,360 Speaker 1: hug him or something that produced it. I said, had 422 00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:33,840 Speaker 1: he had he listened to us, we wouldn't be here. 423 00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:38,439 Speaker 3: So Duke, cause I'm hearing the story correctly. You and 424 00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:40,639 Speaker 3: the rest of the band members, you were supposed to 425 00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:43,160 Speaker 3: be on that plane that went down. 426 00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:47,200 Speaker 1: We were listen. We were trying to get on that plane. 427 00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:52,040 Speaker 1: We tried everything possible. That you're really good. It shows 428 00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:55,640 Speaker 1: that we tried everything possible, you know. We we had 429 00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:59,040 Speaker 1: my road managers book us. We thought we could talk 430 00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:02,480 Speaker 1: to this guy into letting us do everything we had 431 00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:04,399 Speaker 1: to do in one day, even if we had to 432 00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:08,399 Speaker 1: change clothes, you know with Jessic, change songs or whatever 433 00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:11,359 Speaker 1: he wanted done. But they wouldn't listen. He said, no, 434 00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:14,040 Speaker 1: it has to go just like it is. And he, 435 00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:17,879 Speaker 1: to me, was the one that kept us getting on 436 00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:20,919 Speaker 1: their flight. And when I got home, I mean, people 437 00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:25,199 Speaker 1: were waiting at the airport, but I was so I 438 00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:29,320 Speaker 1: was still thinking of what could have happened, and I 439 00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:31,399 Speaker 1: didn't really speak to the people. But I was so 440 00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:34,520 Speaker 1: glad to see my wife. I did see me and 441 00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:36,600 Speaker 1: told on let's go home. I just want to get home. 442 00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:40,720 Speaker 1: I mean, because that frightened me for quite a while. 443 00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:45,040 Speaker 1: And the rest of us said, we we tried with 444 00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:49,360 Speaker 1: all our hearts to walk into a death plan. I mean, 445 00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:53,160 Speaker 1: that is amazing that we were saved by this producer, 446 00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:56,679 Speaker 1: because if it wasn't for him sticking to his plan, 447 00:27:57,280 --> 00:28:02,840 Speaker 1: we would have been gone. And great director upstairs, he 448 00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:05,520 Speaker 1: knows all that and he prepares it, you know. 449 00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:08,480 Speaker 3: And there was this other moment to Duke that was 450 00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:12,560 Speaker 3: one of these incredible higher power sort of moments. It 451 00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:16,320 Speaker 3: was that that incident with your sister. You were fooling 452 00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:19,720 Speaker 3: around with the gun, and talk about that time, Duke. 453 00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:24,720 Speaker 1: Well, my brother, my older brother, he I loved him 454 00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:27,680 Speaker 1: to death and he served many years in the service. 455 00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:31,880 Speaker 1: And we had just moved into nice from really from 456 00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:35,840 Speaker 1: the deep ghettle to a nicer home. And he said, well, 457 00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:38,960 Speaker 1: you know, there's gangs all over around town. He said, 458 00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:42,520 Speaker 1: he you take this Peat thirty eight, said it'll blow 459 00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:44,560 Speaker 1: somebody's head off if they messed with And he said, 460 00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:47,479 Speaker 1: don't use it unless you really have to. I was 461 00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:50,640 Speaker 1: so excited about it, you know, I said, whoa, this 462 00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:54,160 Speaker 1: is a bad gun. You know. My sisters and I 463 00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:57,720 Speaker 1: we would my mother worked, you know, step bad work. 464 00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:00,880 Speaker 1: And so we did the housework and were downstairs in 465 00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:04,880 Speaker 1: the basement Washington during the family wash, and I showed 466 00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:08,480 Speaker 1: my sister and I said, look look what Oza gave me. 467 00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:11,760 Speaker 1: She said, what that's a gun, dude? I said yeah, 468 00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:15,800 Speaker 1: he said, you know. He said, you you you're in 469 00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:21,280 Speaker 1: another gang related neighborhood. You might need it. And I 470 00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:24,200 Speaker 1: kept playing around with it. I said, see, let me 471 00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:27,560 Speaker 1: show you how it works. And I thought I'd tooken 472 00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:29,960 Speaker 1: all the bullets out, but there was one in the 473 00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:32,640 Speaker 1: chamber that I didn't know about. So I said here 474 00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:36,560 Speaker 1: and I pointed at her and it didn't go off. 475 00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:38,600 Speaker 1: She says, don't point that gun at me. You know 476 00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:40,760 Speaker 1: better than that. I said, ain't nothing in it, and 477 00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:43,080 Speaker 1: I was. And as I was talking to her, I 478 00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:47,640 Speaker 1: pointed it to the roof and pulled the truck and bam, 479 00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:52,080 Speaker 1: that bullet came out that time. Now you know, I 480 00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:55,720 Speaker 1: stay there and I said there. I almost cried. I said, 481 00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:59,080 Speaker 1: shy that they would shouting. I said, you know, what 482 00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:02,800 Speaker 1: I I was about to kill you and didn't know it. 483 00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:06,600 Speaker 1: And I've really thought about that for years and years, 484 00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:11,480 Speaker 1: and I think I thank the Lord that something happened. 485 00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:15,040 Speaker 1: That bullet because I did not know was there, did 486 00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:18,920 Speaker 1: not come out when I clicked it at her, you know, 487 00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:23,080 Speaker 1: And that was frightening. That was frightened. And I guess what. 488 00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:26,200 Speaker 1: I never I never carried a gun or used the 489 00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:30,280 Speaker 1: gun after that, never any kind of gun. We have 490 00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:33,200 Speaker 1: tours down South on the bus, you know, the guys 491 00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:36,440 Speaker 1: would bring their guns. You know. That's when the South 492 00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:39,000 Speaker 1: was crazy. We didn't know what would be what you 493 00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:42,360 Speaker 1: could be confronted with. But I never after that carried 494 00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:46,080 Speaker 1: a gun, never ever, and I won't. 495 00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:50,160 Speaker 3: So let's talk about bringing all of this to the stage. 496 00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:54,280 Speaker 3: Where are you in that process? And uh, and just 497 00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:56,000 Speaker 3: tell me how excited you are about it. 498 00:30:56,680 --> 00:31:01,120 Speaker 1: I'm so excited about it because as a producer, I 499 00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:05,560 Speaker 1: will be reliving some of those beautiful moments, a lot 500 00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:09,440 Speaker 1: of them. I'll be reliving them, and it'll be so 501 00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:13,920 Speaker 1: authentic because I'm gonna make it exactly how I felt 502 00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:18,240 Speaker 1: and how things went. So the singer's gonna have to 503 00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:21,280 Speaker 1: be great singers. They're gonna have to be great actors, 504 00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:23,920 Speaker 1: and they're gonna have to They're gonna have to, you know, 505 00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:27,000 Speaker 1: in theater, and dad have to be very good dancers 506 00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:30,480 Speaker 1: as well. I see, we were auditioning one guy saying 507 00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:33,920 Speaker 1: he had the greatest voice, but he was six ft 508 00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:38,160 Speaker 1: seven and we didn't we didn't need a guy, that's all, 509 00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:41,640 Speaker 1: to play a lead singer, that's all. And I had 510 00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:44,600 Speaker 1: to let him go. So he's gonna be so much 511 00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:49,200 Speaker 1: fun reliving those moments, building those building the blocks that 512 00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:52,160 Speaker 1: will lead to some of the great moments that you 513 00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:56,040 Speaker 1: felt that that really make you feel good. Here's one 514 00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:59,640 Speaker 1: moment I'll talk to you about. Mary and I was 515 00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:03,200 Speaker 1: going together. In fact, I had moved in with her. 516 00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:06,840 Speaker 1: My wife and I decided that she's definitely going to 517 00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:10,200 Speaker 1: get a divorce, she says, And so I said, okay, 518 00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:14,040 Speaker 1: boom boom. So I felt comfortable and moving in with Mary, 519 00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:16,840 Speaker 1: so Farth and so on. But I think my wife 520 00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:19,880 Speaker 1: must have when she heard that I was going with 521 00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:24,800 Speaker 1: beautiful young lady, she might have sorted something. And that's 522 00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:28,040 Speaker 1: when we started really making money. And when I was 523 00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:31,360 Speaker 1: with my first wife, we weren't doing that well. So 524 00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:34,720 Speaker 1: she sent the daughter over to the house, or she 525 00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:37,880 Speaker 1: drove her daughter to a house. She was about seven eight, 526 00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:40,680 Speaker 1: and she left her on the porch. She said, just 527 00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:43,480 Speaker 1: your daddy's in there. Just go and talk with him. 528 00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:46,800 Speaker 1: He'll take care of you. It's going to be that way. 529 00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:50,200 Speaker 1: And when she comes to the door, I said, damn, 530 00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:52,640 Speaker 1: that's my daughter. I said, come on in, Ky, I said, 531 00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:55,440 Speaker 1: what are you doing here? She said, well, Mom, she 532 00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:58,400 Speaker 1: shot me, just told me to see that you take 533 00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:01,360 Speaker 1: care of me. I said, yeah, come on in, I said, 534 00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:03,720 Speaker 1: oh my God, said what am I going to do? 535 00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:06,720 Speaker 1: So I brought it into the kitchen where Mary was. 536 00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:10,760 Speaker 1: Mary was preparing some stuff we had in the living 537 00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:13,760 Speaker 1: room and in the guest room. We had half a motown. 538 00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:19,240 Speaker 1: Still the Smokey was there, and the Vandellas were there, 539 00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:23,960 Speaker 1: and the two Holland brothers were there, and Dozia, so 540 00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:27,640 Speaker 1: you know, the big Donald. I can't remember if Marvin 541 00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:30,280 Speaker 1: was there a lot. First of all, they were all 542 00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:33,239 Speaker 1: excited about Mary and I because we had decided we 543 00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:36,320 Speaker 1: were going to get married. So whenever we did something 544 00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:39,640 Speaker 1: they always come come around. So it was like a 545 00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:43,360 Speaker 1: big party that were starting. And so anyway, she was, 546 00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:48,200 Speaker 1: Ky was in there talking with Mary, and Mary's talking 547 00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:49,960 Speaker 1: with her, and I'm trying to check out, what the 548 00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:54,080 Speaker 1: hell can how can I work this out? And then 549 00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:58,600 Speaker 1: it really hit me. Anyway, he used to work us out, buddy, 550 00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:05,280 Speaker 1: to take your lass back home. So after a while, 551 00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:08,399 Speaker 1: set how can I tell Mary? So anyway, I said, 552 00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:13,319 Speaker 1: I lit kai and then lel kind of hang out. 553 00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:16,160 Speaker 1: I said, she shore around the house and this and that. 554 00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:18,680 Speaker 1: He said, yeah, okay, I said, Mary and I need 555 00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:23,840 Speaker 1: to talk. He said, yes, y'a, I'll do. So Mary 556 00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:27,080 Speaker 1: and I started talking how can we work? Because she 557 00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:31,560 Speaker 1: was getting really upset, too nervous, and I was upset 558 00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:33,840 Speaker 1: because I didn't know what to do. I said, Mary, 559 00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:38,680 Speaker 1: I said, this is this is happening. This is really happening, 560 00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:43,160 Speaker 1: and I don't really know what to do. And I said, man, basically, 561 00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:46,799 Speaker 1: she really wants me to come home, she said, but 562 00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:49,880 Speaker 1: Duke Mary would say, well, but you promise, and we 563 00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:53,080 Speaker 1: made the plans and all of that. I said, this 564 00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:56,040 Speaker 1: is different now, Mary, And it took me a while. 565 00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:59,719 Speaker 1: But Mary being such a sweetheart, she had a big heart, 566 00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:02,280 Speaker 1: she had a great mind, and she was a beautiful, 567 00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:06,000 Speaker 1: sweet person, and she knew what I was up against 568 00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:09,360 Speaker 1: She said, well, she said, we have some beautiful plans. 569 00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:11,960 Speaker 1: She said, Duke, I knew what you have to do. 570 00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:15,040 Speaker 1: I said, you're so you do what you have to do. 571 00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:18,640 Speaker 1: She said, I understand it. This was after about an 572 00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:23,080 Speaker 1: hour of talking and talking about the situation that she 573 00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:27,960 Speaker 1: conceded that, yeah, you need to go home. You got 574 00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:31,439 Speaker 1: her family back then, and evidently they want you now. 575 00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:34,560 Speaker 1: I said, well, at least my daughter, does I know her? 576 00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:37,680 Speaker 1: I said sure, I said, Mary, I'm gonna have to go. 577 00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:40,920 Speaker 1: I said, well, please don't hate me for this. I 578 00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:43,680 Speaker 1: always want to be your friend, and no tell her 579 00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:46,799 Speaker 1: what can happen in the future. She says, Duke, one thing, 580 00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:50,799 Speaker 1: I love you, and oh you ever forget you, and 581 00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:54,920 Speaker 1: I will always have my arms open to you withever 582 00:35:55,040 --> 00:36:00,080 Speaker 1: you wreke your decision. Well that kind of released me 583 00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:04,359 Speaker 1: enough to say, well, I'm gonna take my daughter home. 584 00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:07,399 Speaker 1: I don't know how my ex wife she is gonna 585 00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:10,279 Speaker 1: tat treat us or treat me. I said, but I 586 00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:12,359 Speaker 1: got it. I also got a little song back there. 587 00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:14,960 Speaker 1: I said, just this is telling me I've got to 588 00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:18,520 Speaker 1: go home. I've got to be two to my family. 589 00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:21,960 Speaker 1: So I went home, and you know, of course I 590 00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:26,280 Speaker 1: knocked on the door while she had changed her ways 591 00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:30,400 Speaker 1: from being she didn't care what I did, and she 592 00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:33,279 Speaker 1: was happy to see me and all of that, and 593 00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:37,479 Speaker 1: happened to see me with Guy, and so I took 594 00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:43,120 Speaker 1: Kai into like the living room, and this song was 595 00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:47,520 Speaker 1: written for this particular scene. It's called I'll Never Ever 596 00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:51,600 Speaker 1: Leave You Again. And I put her on my knee 597 00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:56,080 Speaker 1: and started singing this song. And this song was really 598 00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:59,680 Speaker 1: it was an instrumental by Earl klu on the guitar. 599 00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:04,600 Speaker 1: Lawrence just picked that song and wrote some words that 600 00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:08,120 Speaker 1: were just perfectly for this particular scene. So I put 601 00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:10,600 Speaker 1: it on my knee and start singing this song, I'll 602 00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:14,640 Speaker 1: Never ever Leave You Again. It's gonna be a hot, 603 00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:19,120 Speaker 1: a very heart shalt moment on for stage, you know. 604 00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:25,320 Speaker 1: So I'm just giving you idea of how how real 605 00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:29,400 Speaker 1: it will be. That was a heart selt moment. But 606 00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:32,360 Speaker 1: there's so many happy moments. There's so many moments of 607 00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:34,919 Speaker 1: all kind of feelings that will be in this music. 608 00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:37,359 Speaker 1: And I'm gonna try to make it as as authentic 609 00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:41,200 Speaker 1: as possible. You know, when you put you, when you 610 00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:45,520 Speaker 1: put the right words with the scene and the right music, 611 00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:48,240 Speaker 1: with the scene, you get the feeling that was there 612 00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:52,160 Speaker 1: that actually happened. So and that song was just perfect 613 00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:54,120 Speaker 1: for that for that, I mean, you know that I 614 00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:57,000 Speaker 1: was written. You know, it had nothing to do with 615 00:37:57,120 --> 00:37:59,080 Speaker 1: my daughter or me when he wrote the song. I 616 00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:03,120 Speaker 1: just when we started doing musical I started putting these 617 00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:07,239 Speaker 1: moments together with different songs. 618 00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:13,080 Speaker 3: That's awesome, that's so tremendous. I want to close with this, Duke. So, 619 00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:16,560 Speaker 3: I remember reading in the book the moment that you know, 620 00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:22,520 Speaker 3: with Levi's passing, and you know how alone that you felt, 621 00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:27,480 Speaker 3: and how sad. I think music plays this really important 622 00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:31,120 Speaker 3: role in lives. You talked about it. We have this 623 00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:34,840 Speaker 3: other podcast that we produce that's called Music Save Me. 624 00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:38,480 Speaker 3: It's about the healing power of music and how music 625 00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:43,759 Speaker 3: provides a saving grace, almost therapeutic. 626 00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:45,719 Speaker 5: And obviously you know. 627 00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:50,480 Speaker 3: The importance of what faith means with music, but talk about, 628 00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:54,360 Speaker 3: if you will, how important music is to you, whether 629 00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:58,960 Speaker 3: it be the uplifting moments or the moments like you 630 00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:03,480 Speaker 3: know when if I passed, when you felt so alone. 631 00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:10,200 Speaker 1: Right, well, you know that it happened when every one 632 00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:13,279 Speaker 1: of them passed one by one. Lawrence was the first 633 00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:16,400 Speaker 1: one to pass and we was at this house holding 634 00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:20,960 Speaker 1: his hand. He was pretty close to design. I said, Lawrence, 635 00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:25,440 Speaker 1: I said, look and I prayed. I said, Lord me 636 00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:29,920 Speaker 1: changed his spot. You know, I just don't want we 637 00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:32,879 Speaker 1: don't want him to go. It's not time for him. 638 00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:36,040 Speaker 1: Be still to y'all. And we did that with each 639 00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:41,160 Speaker 1: other as each one passed, and after Lawrence passed, well, 640 00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:44,240 Speaker 1: you know if every now and then when I sang 641 00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:47,160 Speaker 1: certain songs, when we sang certain songs, that will remind 642 00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:51,920 Speaker 1: me of him. And that's why it was just great 643 00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:57,799 Speaker 1: to have his son able to sing right away. We 644 00:39:57,840 --> 00:40:02,440 Speaker 1: didn't put him in there right away, Levi. There was 645 00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:05,400 Speaker 1: too something for Levi. I said, you know, do I 646 00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:09,240 Speaker 1: know we can sing? Well? I can't. So we didn't 647 00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:13,080 Speaker 1: put anybody in that spot. We did three or we did. 648 00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:16,120 Speaker 1: One of our musicians sang the fourth note, you know, 649 00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:20,959 Speaker 1: while he played the piano. But we couldn't for a year. 650 00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:24,920 Speaker 1: It was just three of us when Lawrence first passed. 651 00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:26,799 Speaker 1: That's the way, that's the way it went. We just 652 00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:30,160 Speaker 1: could not, you know, we just could not have anybody 653 00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:34,000 Speaker 1: in that spot. And we all felt that. Uh, that's 654 00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:37,560 Speaker 1: what I loved about him, because it was truly. We 655 00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:43,640 Speaker 1: were truly, truly loving each other with respect and all 656 00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:47,560 Speaker 1: kinds of things. So when the first one, Lawrence left, 657 00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:52,239 Speaker 1: it left us with a big hole. We didn't ever 658 00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:55,840 Speaker 1: we never expected that, you know, you seemed like that 659 00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:59,960 Speaker 1: our age that we would be around forever, and we 660 00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:04,840 Speaker 1: knew that we were challenged enough to do that. Not cocky, 661 00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:08,560 Speaker 1: but we were confident that we could be around as 662 00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:12,279 Speaker 1: long as the Mills brothers or and or something like that. 663 00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:18,000 Speaker 1: So but that was a that was a devastating moment 664 00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:23,839 Speaker 1: and time when the first one passed, and then when 665 00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:27,840 Speaker 1: uh oh he got sick a few years later and 666 00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:32,319 Speaker 1: he passed, it was just now for real, I thought, well, 667 00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:34,880 Speaker 1: this might be it. I don't know, I don't know 668 00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:38,200 Speaker 1: if I can continue with this man. You know, two 669 00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:41,680 Speaker 1: of my buddies had gone, uh and and Leve. I 670 00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:45,160 Speaker 1: was trying to get really sick. But he stayed there 671 00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:50,560 Speaker 1: as long as he could. But he stopped. And when 672 00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:55,160 Speaker 1: he stopped, my heart just shattered. I mean, you know, 673 00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:59,000 Speaker 1: I see he said, we'll get somebody to you. Got 674 00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:02,319 Speaker 1: it good, here, get somebody that can I said, leave. 675 00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:08,000 Speaker 1: I can't nobody replace you, or your voice or your heart. 676 00:42:08,239 --> 00:42:12,640 Speaker 1: I said, but I'm keep the group together, Duke, she said, 677 00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:16,120 Speaker 1: the name has a good future. Yeah he was. He 678 00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:19,319 Speaker 1: was on his deathbed. Then till talk to me like that, 679 00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:23,560 Speaker 1: and I'll just crying anyway. 680 00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:28,040 Speaker 3: Thank you, Duke, for taking the time to talk about 681 00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:31,200 Speaker 3: the book, I'll Be There, My Life with the four Tops. 682 00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:34,479 Speaker 5: You can get it on Amazon. It's a great read. 683 00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:35,920 Speaker 5: Thank you for. 684 00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:40,880 Speaker 3: Sharing your insights, your experience, and your journey as it 685 00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:45,680 Speaker 3: continues to inspire us all and to get us through 686 00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:48,600 Speaker 3: and put a smile on our face. The music lives on, 687 00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:52,120 Speaker 3: that's for sure, but I could tell you I had 688 00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:55,800 Speaker 3: a smile through this entire interview just talking to you tickled. 689 00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:56,600 Speaker 5: I'm honored. 690 00:42:56,640 --> 00:43:00,239 Speaker 3: I'm so grateful for all the lessons that you teach 691 00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:01,399 Speaker 3: as well well. 692 00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:04,439 Speaker 1: Thank you for having me, believe it or not, there's 693 00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:09,440 Speaker 1: always a joy to me to remember those moments, you know, 694 00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:12,879 Speaker 1: and we've had so many of them, so I can 695 00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:18,719 Speaker 1: get lost in conversations when we start talking about you 696 00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:22,120 Speaker 1: could say the greatest love I've ever had. Uh. You know, 697 00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:25,839 Speaker 1: it's easy to talk about them, you know now, And 698 00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:30,400 Speaker 1: I can remember some of those moments more than I 699 00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:34,440 Speaker 1: can remember what I did yesterday. You know, it's just 700 00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:38,960 Speaker 1: weird how the moments of heart and love and understanding 701 00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:44,080 Speaker 1: they stay there. Then they're never going away anyway. Thanks 702 00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:46,640 Speaker 1: for having me. It's a joy, and I hope that 703 00:43:46,719 --> 00:43:50,440 Speaker 1: people enjoyed talk to me, me talking to them. I 704 00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:53,799 Speaker 1: just want them to know how much they've given us. 705 00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:59,680 Speaker 1: They've given me a full life of love, happiness, joy 706 00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:04,680 Speaker 1: and everything else under this soon and I love each 707 00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:05,320 Speaker 1: and everyone. 708 00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:07,400 Speaker 5: Thank you you're the best. 709 00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:10,600 Speaker 3: And Tim Sabi and my good friend and yours told 710 00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:13,319 Speaker 3: me to say hi to you as well. But thank 711 00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:16,560 Speaker 3: you Duke so much for being on the podcast, and 712 00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:17,560 Speaker 3: take care of yourself. 713 00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:21,520 Speaker 2: Thanks for listening to this episode of the Taking a 714 00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:25,400 Speaker 2: Walk podcast. 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