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Speaker 2: Okay, we're back Jerry Dulac along with West Eulerworth the

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Speaker 2: NFL combine in Indianapolis. Uh so, o' what so nine o'clock?

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Speaker 2: You started right, nine o'clock show. Yeah, according to my math,

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Speaker 2: that makes us four straight hours for you now right.

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Speaker 2: I got a little bit of a break. It's going

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Speaker 2: to be our five.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but I basically of our eight hours every day,

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Speaker 3: I do six.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. You're wearing me out just thinking about it. It's

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Speaker 2: all right. Contract negotiations are coming up. So Mike Vrabel

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Speaker 2: is the AFC champion New England Patriots coach and Coach

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Speaker 2: of the Year is at the podium.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 2: I saw Mike last night at dinner. By the way,

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Speaker 2: great great recommendation by Jerry Doulac.

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Speaker 3: A few of us went to uh Iolis.

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Speaker 2: There is my favorite in India Italian and I have several,

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Speaker 2: but that is my always, my mustap Italian place.

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Speaker 3: You and rayfa Apaldo were going. You were kind enough

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Speaker 3: to invite myself, came and Rob Patt Williamson pursuit of

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Speaker 3: the whole crew.

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Speaker 2: We could have just done a segment right there. We

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Speaker 2: could have done an hour two.

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Speaker 3: We should have recorded our conversation and played it back today.

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Speaker 2: The camera's out and right taking.

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Speaker 3: A nap from that chicken palm that I that I

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Speaker 3: had last night. That was just magnificent. Now, great, great

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Speaker 3: call by you, and thanks for the invite. That yeah,

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Speaker 3: last night, So Mike was there, which is testament.

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Speaker 2: It's just you know, it's just a dumpy little place

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Speaker 2: and everybody's been there, but it's great food.

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Speaker 3: It's like stepping It kind of reminded me of like

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Speaker 3: the famous scene and Goodfellas, right, you know.

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Speaker 2: Where they where they go through the kitchen and everything

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Speaker 2: like it sits there and it is it sits there

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Speaker 2: like a neighborhood bar, and from the outside, you know,

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Speaker 2: they have the bowling pin and everything. I don't still

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Speaker 2: don't know what that is, but that's really all it is. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: and it was delicious. It's awesome. I have to say Mike.

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Speaker 2: Mike Chapel, who was road for the Indianapolis Star covered

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Speaker 2: the Colts and he still does some TV stuff here.

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Speaker 2: He was the one who turned turned the restaurant onto US,

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Speaker 2: oh number of years ago. Gotta go to Irin's, Gotta

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Speaker 2: try Irias, and I tried it back. Tony Grossi is

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Speaker 2: a uh, you know, he's He's right there with me.

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Speaker 2: Frequent visitor. Tony has this following in Cleveland that that

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Speaker 2: loves irheas as well. Okay, so when he a couple

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Speaker 2: of years ago, he walked, we walk into Irias, and

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Speaker 2: there's people from Cleveland there who were in town and

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Speaker 2: they went there because of Tony always talking about it.

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Speaker 2: iria Is because this Cleveland contingent tends to frequent there

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Speaker 2: because he's always talking about it.

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Speaker 3: This morning, I was texting with our our buddy and

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Speaker 3: uh and colleague Brian Bacco and he's he's back home. Okay,

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Speaker 3: yeah he's not. He's not here this this week. No,

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Speaker 3: I know he was on vacation or something. Okay, right, yeah,

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Speaker 2: But he was.

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Speaker 3: He was like, how's things been? What have you guys

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Speaker 3: it's been good. We're texted back and forth. I was like, yeah,

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Speaker 3: I was like, Jerry took us to a great Italian.

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Speaker 2: Place last night. And he writes back Irina, Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 2: Everybody seems to go at one point or another, you know,

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Speaker 3: Hey, it's it's spread everyone. Everyone's heard a million times

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Speaker 3: about Saint Elmo's.

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Speaker 2: Oh that's right right now. Now we're now we're bringing

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Speaker 2: some new food options to the table. And the funny

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Speaker 2: of course, And I actually haven't been to Saint Almos

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Speaker 2: But tables and booths are a little bigger too. Saint Elmos. Man,

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Speaker 2: those tables and booths could be tight. I don't know

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Speaker 2: if you heard me saying no. The other day when

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Speaker 2: times I was there, went early, and they took us downstairs.

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Speaker 2: Did you hear me saying it? All the way down

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Speaker 2: This was earlier in the day, It's probably like five o'clock.

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Speaker 2: And and they take us all the way back in

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Speaker 2: you have all these empty tables? Why are you putting

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Speaker 2: me right there? But I just thought, man, all those

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Speaker 2: and at the price, and just to imagine the money

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Speaker 2: they turn over A deputies.

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Speaker 3: Oh, it's gotta it's it's gotta be this week for that.

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Speaker 3: And I'm sure this is the Indian Indiana Convention Center.

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Speaker 3: It's one of the best and most famous convention centers

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Speaker 2: Because it's right in the middle of the country, basically speaking.

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Speaker 3: So I'm sure that Saint Elmo has a lot of

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Speaker 3: big weeks, but this has to be towards the well.

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Speaker 2: I'll tell you what I was here. I have not

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Speaker 2: been here for a Super Bowl. I can't remember how

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Speaker 2: many they've held, not a ton. But I've been here

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Speaker 2: for three. I've been here for five. Yeah, I don't

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Speaker 3: Were you at the same one here that I was

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Speaker 3: at in twenty ten, No, which was the Mountaineers lost

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Speaker 2: No, no, no, I go back earlier than that because

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Speaker 2: probably done about eight or so. Final four is maybe ten,

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Speaker 2: so that would be been before that. But so we

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Speaker 2: Saint Almo's with one of the former pit assistant coaches,

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Speaker 2: Joe DeSantis, and we go to Saint Almo's four hour weight.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I'm not surprised four hour weight. That's a

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Speaker 2: was only a one hour way. Sure, but Saint Almo's four.

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Speaker 3: Hour st Omo, Harry and is He There was no

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Speaker 3: Morton's Ruth, Chris del Friscos, there's Prime seven.

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Speaker 2: I saw Del Friscos the first time I knew that

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Speaker 2: the last couple of years. It has to be. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I mean there's six or seven steakhouses, all within a

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Speaker 2: And of course they always popular. Weber Grill and that takeloaf.

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Speaker 2: I've still never been there, Richie I went one time.

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Speaker 2: Richie Walsh loves the Weber Grill because of their meat loaf.

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Speaker 2: We went to Harry and Isy's the other night. They

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Speaker 2: said there's second their second most popular item or another

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Speaker 2: waitress said, this is be up behind a steak meat

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Speaker 2: loaf more than trim meat shrim Well, okay, I mean

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Speaker 2: for dinner, gotcha dinner meat loaf right here in Indianapolis, Indiana.

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Speaker 3: You know what, though, there is this and I'm not

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Speaker 3: I'm not a huge meatloaf guy. I think it's fine,

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Speaker 3: you know, but from time to time a lot of

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Speaker 3: it's one of those items that if it's on a

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Speaker 2: It must be good. And that's what that was kind

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Speaker 2: of her point. And she said that people love it

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Speaker 2: and it's one of the most popular rightives. But the

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Speaker 2: Weberg real same thing and still rich and I went

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Speaker 2: there a couple of years ago and he actually I thought, Okay,

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Speaker 2: that's what you talk about. That's what I'm going to have.

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Speaker 2: That was fine, it was good.

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Speaker 3: I was sit there and say, I gotta go back

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Speaker 3: and get it, but it was fine. I gotta get

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Speaker 3: to this. Weber folks listening at home.

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Speaker 2: As you know, here's a safe guess. Oh, it's only

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Speaker 2: a couple of blocks away, because Indy is only a

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Speaker 3: When Arthur Motz was out here with us two years

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Speaker 3: I'm like, it's like a seven minute walk.

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Speaker 2: Where's that?

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Speaker 3: It's like a six But he's like everything. I'm like, yeah,

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Speaker 3: everything in India is within a ten minute walk. It's great.

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Speaker 2: But that's why it's just a great location. I've always

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Speaker 2: said it's the greatest location for a major sporting event

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Speaker 2: like the Super Bowl Final four. Everything's right here. Itself

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Speaker 2: contained tons of hotels, tons of eating places, tons of bars,

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Speaker 2: the indoor walkways everywhere. I was just gonna say, for

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Speaker 2: the folks at home, Weber Grill it is literally the

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Speaker 2: Weber Weber Grill, that's right, that's the big logo and

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Speaker 2: it's a webergrill restaurant called Weber Grill.

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Speaker 3: And it's just always fascinated me, Like, do they have

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Speaker 3: a bunch of big That's what I thought. I don't

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Speaker 3: think everything on the charcoal.

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Speaker 2: I have a Weber grill at home. I do too. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: you've got to, Yeah, I think everybody. What are the

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Speaker 2: other ones? Ever Flow or what's the other big grill company?

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Speaker 2: Did you see? Like at home depot and everything? I

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Speaker 2: never know. I never get past the Weber Grill the

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Speaker 2: same here, same here.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, ever ever Flow or something like that sounds right,

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Speaker 3: But I never get past the Webers I gotta I

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Speaker 3: gotta check this out.

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Speaker 2: We got a couple more nights here. I gotta make

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Speaker 2: it happen. Yeah and uh so, Yeah, enough enough food talk.

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Speaker 2: We could talk about the food all we wanted. But

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Speaker 2: that's one of the reasons why I like coming to

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Speaker 2: India for all all those reasons. Absolutely a great place.

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Speaker 3: The saying almost shrimp cocktail around radio row here like

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Speaker 3: they typically do.

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Speaker 2: Did they do that last year? Yeah? See I missed

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Speaker 2: that they did it. They did do it. They bring

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Speaker 2: hit it up in a media room, though they did

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Speaker 2: bring it up in a media room. Now that you

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Speaker 3: Always great because you'll get someone who doesn't know what's

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Speaker 3: coming and they think it's just normal cocktail sauce and

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Speaker 3: they take a big dip and then they get smoke

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Speaker 3: coming out of their earballs.

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Speaker 2: My favorite is at your Lobes part. My favorite is

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Speaker 2: the first time Wolf for a dear friend was there

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Speaker 2: and and you know, there were ten of us, twelve

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Speaker 5: I've made the sojourn from Lucas Oil Stadium back through

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Speaker 5: I was like, okay, you know, Nate, I got this

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Speaker 5: Nate Hogan News and charge all the wonderful programs you see,

432
00:19:23,640 --> 00:19:25,640
Speaker 5: like The Terrible Tow and all that stuff, that's all Nate.

433
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Speaker 5: So Nate's like, well, I'll come back with you, and

434
00:19:28,240 --> 00:19:30,320
Speaker 5: sure enough we get to the bottom of that. We

435
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Speaker 5: get outside of Lucas Oil, I start going left and

436
00:19:32,480 --> 00:19:35,480
Speaker 5: he's like we go right here, I'd still be walking

437
00:19:35,480 --> 00:19:38,240
Speaker 5: around Lucasriel Stadium if not for Nate.

438
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Speaker 4: So thank you Nate. Back in, Uh.

439
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Speaker 5: Yeah, back back, safe and sound, and I I'm fascinated

440
00:19:47,359 --> 00:19:49,840
Speaker 5: by what's going on here and talking to different people

441
00:19:49,920 --> 00:19:53,080
Speaker 5: and the evaluations to the draft and just sort of

442
00:19:53,560 --> 00:19:57,000
Speaker 5: the you know, if you're trying to compile information as

443
00:19:57,000 --> 00:19:58,919
Speaker 5: you go along, right and talk to people and get

444
00:19:58,960 --> 00:20:01,159
Speaker 5: a feel for what's coming up. I just get the

445
00:20:01,160 --> 00:20:02,800
Speaker 5: feel from talking to a lot of people. I don't

446
00:20:02,800 --> 00:20:06,440
Speaker 5: think this is particularly groundbreaking, but I have heard this

447
00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:08,760
Speaker 5: this year where a couple of people now have told

448
00:20:08,760 --> 00:20:13,320
Speaker 5: me that in a given year, a team might only

449
00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:19,040
Speaker 5: truly have a first round grade on twenty or so players.

450
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Speaker 5: And that's a pretty good year. That's a pretty normal year,

451
00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:24,280
Speaker 5: twenty players that they really feel good about spending their

452
00:20:24,280 --> 00:20:26,240
Speaker 5: first round pick on. And of course thirty two guys

453
00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:28,080
Speaker 5: are going to be selected in the first round, and

454
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Speaker 5: that number appears to be fewer this year, maybe in

455
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Speaker 5: that fifteen range of guys that you really and so

456
00:20:34,720 --> 00:20:38,439
Speaker 5: at twenty one now, invariably what will happen, as we know, Jerry,

457
00:20:38,520 --> 00:20:42,120
Speaker 5: is teams will have different grades than you have teams

458
00:20:42,160 --> 00:20:45,560
Speaker 5: will have different needs than you have. And so when

459
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Speaker 5: you get to twenty one in a given year, if

460
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Speaker 5: there's twenty to twenty or so players, you'll probably have

461
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Speaker 5: three or four to choose from. I wonder if you'll

462
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Speaker 5: have that many to choose from this year, and how

463
00:20:55,960 --> 00:20:58,760
Speaker 5: they'll try to position themselves leading into the draft and.

464
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Speaker 2: What happens then, too, rob when you have fewer first

465
00:21:02,359 --> 00:21:05,680
Speaker 2: round grades, that's when you see teams trading down right

466
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Speaker 2: as opposed to trading up right, because then.

467
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Speaker 5: Unless you feel super strongly about a guy and think

468
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Speaker 5: we have to get one of those guys, let's go

469
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Speaker 5: ahead and trade up.

470
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Speaker 4: But you're right, it seemed like more of a trade

471
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Speaker 4: down year I'll give.

472
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Speaker 2: I'll use Joey Porter As an example. Joey Porter Jr.

473
00:21:22,320 --> 00:21:24,080
Speaker 2: They got him at the first pick of the second round,

474
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Speaker 2: and they refused all these trade offers to take them.

475
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Speaker 2: And they love that they got him with the first

476
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Speaker 2: pick of the second round, which effectively was number thirty two,

477
00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:36,960
Speaker 2: which is the last pick of the first round. But

478
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Speaker 2: Joey Porter was not viewed as a first round pick,

479
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Speaker 2: but to get them in the second round the way

480
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Speaker 2: they view it as crazy as it sounds because you're

481
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Speaker 2: splitting hairs. They technically was the last pick of the

482
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Speaker 2: first round. But so that's what happens. There's guys in

483
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Speaker 2: the second round that you don't want to take because

484
00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:56,160
Speaker 2: you just to think, you know, they're not a first

485
00:21:56,240 --> 00:21:58,479
Speaker 2: round pick, and then so you trade away from it,

486
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Speaker 2: you know, it trade down and think, Okay, so if

487
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Speaker 2: you don't have a first round grade, and I find

488
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Speaker 2: that number low though, to be honest, fifteen that you

489
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Speaker 2: said for just this year, I know, I find I

490
00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:12,520
Speaker 2: still find that low. Okay, I would have thought they

491
00:22:12,560 --> 00:22:14,960
Speaker 2: would have that number would go because there are guys

492
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Speaker 2: that the Steelers do get on the second round and

493
00:22:17,359 --> 00:22:19,800
Speaker 2: have that They've had first round grades on, right, you know,

494
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Speaker 2: They've had a guy and I can't remember who was,

495
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Speaker 2: They got a guy in the third run. They had

496
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Speaker 2: a first round grade on it just so happens. You know,

497
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Speaker 2: how do they drop to that if you had a

498
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Speaker 2: first round grade, well maybe because you needed something else,

499
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Speaker 2: you know, they had a first round grade on Zach Frasier, right,

500
00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:36,880
Speaker 2: you know, but they got him in the second round. Right,

501
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Speaker 2: So fifteen just seems low to me, but not that

502
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Speaker 2: I know for certain. It just seems low to me.

503
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Speaker 5: Well, and that seems to be more of a you know,

504
00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:48,800
Speaker 5: that's more of a consensus, correct, idtand so, And I

505
00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:52,000
Speaker 5: do think that, you know, first of all, I think

506
00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:55,920
Speaker 5: traditionally the Steelers have done a phenomenal job with finding

507
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Speaker 5: value at those picks. And sometimes sometimes you pick twenty second,

508
00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:04,520
Speaker 5: and if they were to redo the draft, you know,

509
00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:06,560
Speaker 5: when they always do this, there, hey, we're gonna redo

510
00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:10,080
Speaker 5: the draft. Maybe that guy goes fourteen or something like that.

511
00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:12,520
Speaker 5: And then every once in a while you get a T. J.

512
00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:14,560
Speaker 5: Watt and that guy would have gone first or second

513
00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:16,520
Speaker 5: if you had a chance, would do it. Cam Hayward

514
00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:19,800
Speaker 5: would have probably gone top five. So you're you're constantly

515
00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:23,120
Speaker 5: looking for that, and it's one of the fascinating as

516
00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:29,000
Speaker 5: this team gets gets closer and closer to filling out

517
00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:32,120
Speaker 5: a fifty three man roster that you really feel great about.

518
00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:36,880
Speaker 5: And again I would encourage fans to look at who

519
00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:38,880
Speaker 5: they have under contract and.

520
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Speaker 2: What's that number thirty seven?

521
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Speaker 5: Thirty Yeah, thirty it's thirty nine including the two specialists, right,

522
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Speaker 5: and not including guys that again you may cut loose

523
00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:54,800
Speaker 5: for a salary cap saving, or more likely that number

524
00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:56,520
Speaker 5: will go up a little bit as maybe you try

525
00:23:56,520 --> 00:23:59,560
Speaker 5: to re sign, say it, James Pierre or as Sante

526
00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:02,959
Speaker 5: Samuel or any number of other players who are free agents.

527
00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:06,960
Speaker 5: Cordless Weightman's a restricted free agent. You know likely that

528
00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:10,720
Speaker 5: you know again, new coaching staff, new special teams coach.

529
00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:12,480
Speaker 5: But he would seem a likely guy and an easy

530
00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:15,800
Speaker 5: guy to bring back. So we're not counting those guys.

531
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Speaker 5: But as you as you look at you look around

532
00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:21,720
Speaker 5: the roster and you think, okay, well, what do you

533
00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:23,000
Speaker 5: need on that offensive line?

534
00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:25,480
Speaker 4: We're going to need to address left guard.

535
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Speaker 5: Whether that is a third round pick that comes in

536
00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:30,360
Speaker 5: and competes with Spencer Anderson, I don't know what their

537
00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:33,879
Speaker 5: internal evaluations are, or you re sign Cmdel or you

538
00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:36,159
Speaker 5: go and invest some of your salary cap money in

539
00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:38,600
Speaker 5: a starting left guard, and what you do at wide

540
00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:41,159
Speaker 5: receiver I think will have the biggest impact on what

541
00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:43,640
Speaker 5: you do in the first round. All this being said,

542
00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:46,359
Speaker 5: I still think they're probably going to take a receiver

543
00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:49,760
Speaker 5: in the first round, but it would be interesting if

544
00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:52,800
Speaker 5: they could set themselves up in a position because there's

545
00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:56,160
Speaker 5: considered depth, you can get good receivers in the second round.

546
00:24:56,480 --> 00:24:59,520
Speaker 5: Can you fashion your roster in such a way that

547
00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:03,680
Speaker 5: you really open yourselves up to any number of players,

548
00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:06,760
Speaker 5: which now maybe potentially allows you to get at twenty

549
00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:09,040
Speaker 5: one that guy that three years from now when they're

550
00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:12,000
Speaker 5: redoing the draft would have gone sixth overall. Right, you

551
00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:15,440
Speaker 5: know what I mean. Yeah, So this process is fascinating

552
00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:19,359
Speaker 5: leading up because I think they're I don't think that

553
00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:21,840
Speaker 5: they've been that close to being able to do that.

554
00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:23,399
Speaker 5: I think they've been able to go into a draft

555
00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:26,399
Speaker 5: and saying we'll take the best player. Like last year's draft,

556
00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:29,000
Speaker 5: we'll take the best player at three or four different positions,

557
00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:31,960
Speaker 5: but we probably want to go d line. This year,

558
00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:35,840
Speaker 5: I think you could go into the draft potentially saying, well,

559
00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:39,120
Speaker 5: we probably want wide receiver, but if that guy's not there,

560
00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:40,879
Speaker 5: we can go in a number of different ways because

561
00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:43,080
Speaker 5: we've built such a solid roster.

562
00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:45,080
Speaker 2: You know, you look at last year, Rob and I

563
00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:47,800
Speaker 2: was saying this a little earlier to uh Wes. We

564
00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:51,160
Speaker 2: were chatting. You know, last year they went into that draft,

565
00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:53,640
Speaker 2: there were three defensive linemen they were going to take

566
00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:55,880
Speaker 2: two of them they really wanted, and one of those

567
00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:59,320
Speaker 2: two was end up being Derek Harmon. So they knew

568
00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:01,719
Speaker 2: they were going to take one of those three. And

569
00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:03,480
Speaker 2: the way they had it, and you know the way

570
00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:05,800
Speaker 2: they do it. They they line up so this year

571
00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:08,440
Speaker 2: they'll line up the top their top twenty one players

572
00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:11,240
Speaker 2: and they so they know one of those twenty one

573
00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:13,920
Speaker 2: players is coming to them. That's the way they'll do it, right.

574
00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:17,720
Speaker 2: And so among that though will be however many receivers

575
00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:22,479
Speaker 2: they think, and so or even quarterbacks for example. So

576
00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:27,640
Speaker 2: they'll have an idea what they're going to do, and

577
00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:30,200
Speaker 2: they'll have that list in front of their top twenty

578
00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:33,440
Speaker 2: one who they that's obviously to them. Those are first

579
00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:36,240
Speaker 2: round grades to them. That's what they that's the way

580
00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:39,520
Speaker 2: they figure. So but what I was going to say

581
00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:42,280
Speaker 2: too about the D line A couple things here last

582
00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:43,760
Speaker 2: year at this time, this is what I said to

583
00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:46,120
Speaker 2: Wes last year at this time, I said before this

584
00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:51,680
Speaker 2: time at combine number one pick defensive lineman next year,

585
00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:54,000
Speaker 2: twenty twenty six. Don't stop there. Do what you did

586
00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:57,000
Speaker 2: with the offensive line. Take another one. I think why

587
00:26:57,040 --> 00:26:59,879
Speaker 2: a black has changed that, why a Black is a

588
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:03,359
Speaker 2: guy that they believe it can be a really good player.

589
00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:09,679
Speaker 2: And so now the need or certainly what I felt,

590
00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:12,040
Speaker 2: you don't need to get that guy now in the

591
00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:14,680
Speaker 2: first round. But to me, I'd still take a defensive

592
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:17,040
Speaker 2: lineman now called Carl Dunbar is gone. It's a new

593
00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:21,320
Speaker 2: defensive scheme. Patrick Graham's defensive coordinator. Patrick Graham will work

594
00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:23,959
Speaker 2: with the defensive line. Yeah, they brought in to Monopeco,

595
00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:28,359
Speaker 2: but Patrick Graham is going to be the defensive line coach,

596
00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:31,520
Speaker 2: if you will. So he may not believe now when

597
00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:33,080
Speaker 2: you have Cam hay where you're gonna have to. But

598
00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:35,840
Speaker 2: Cam Hayward played more snaps than any defensive line last year. Yeah,

599
00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:42,600
Speaker 2: any defensive lineman. Yeah, at his physician, that's right. So so,

600
00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:45,520
Speaker 2: but you want to keep doing that. But so this

601
00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:49,280
Speaker 2: rotation system that Carl Dunbar wanted to use, that's fine.

602
00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:52,520
Speaker 2: But when there is a significant drop off from your

603
00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:55,080
Speaker 2: first three to your next three, that's why if you're

604
00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:57,520
Speaker 2: going to play that way and rotate your defensive line,

605
00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:01,280
Speaker 2: you better get more young and better bodies in there.

606
00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:04,199
Speaker 2: And so right now you have Cam Hayward, but you

607
00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:06,000
Speaker 2: have Bent, and you have Black and of course you

608
00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:09,080
Speaker 2: have Derek Harmon. To me, I'd go get another one now,

609
00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:12,800
Speaker 2: not with the first pick, right, but that line of scrimmage,

610
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:16,119
Speaker 2: especially because Cam's gonna be thirty seven, then you better

611
00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:18,600
Speaker 2: have if you're going to rotate those fronts. And we

612
00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:22,120
Speaker 2: see a lot of teams doing that, and so that's

613
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:24,679
Speaker 2: where they are in terms of the defensive lineman. And

614
00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:27,359
Speaker 2: one last point to what you were saying, and I

615
00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:30,879
Speaker 2: said this to Wes, let's not forget that Mike McCarthy

616
00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:33,760
Speaker 2: is an offensive guy. And if I don't care if

617
00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:36,520
Speaker 2: your quarterback is Will Howard or it's going to be

618
00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:39,440
Speaker 2: a rookie, or you want to entice Aaron Rodgers, it's

619
00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:42,640
Speaker 2: going to be by bolstering your wide receiver crew, whether

620
00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:46,040
Speaker 2: you get somebody in free agency to start, but you're

621
00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:48,040
Speaker 2: bringing in a young guy too. And that's the way

622
00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:50,760
Speaker 2: Mike McCarthy believes he's not gonna draft. I don't want

623
00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:53,480
Speaker 2: to say he's not gonna draft defense because you never

624
00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:56,560
Speaker 2: know what's gonna happen. That is not his focus or priority.

625
00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:58,920
Speaker 2: That's not why he's here. And so if you're gonna

626
00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:02,280
Speaker 2: develop Will Howard, for example, and we'll still see how

627
00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:06,640
Speaker 2: real that really is, yep, but you better have the

628
00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:09,960
Speaker 2: receivers and you know what the I mean, quality receivers,

629
00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:14,600
Speaker 2: and right now they don't beyond beyond the dk ME Cup.

630
00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:17,840
Speaker 2: We think Roman Wilson could be, but you better go

631
00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:20,360
Speaker 2: get the bodies to be able to do that.

632
00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:22,800
Speaker 5: So going back to your earlier point, and this is

633
00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:25,680
Speaker 5: why I'm fascinated by what the students will do heading

634
00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:28,160
Speaker 5: into the draft. So Derek Carmon was the last of

635
00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:30,440
Speaker 5: the three guys that they had a first round great on.

636
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:34,480
Speaker 5: Now the Bengals are up, and I'm thinking to myself, Oh, right,

637
00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:35,880
Speaker 5: they're gonna take Derek Harmon.

638
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:37,560
Speaker 2: I thought they were gonna take somebody.

639
00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:41,440
Speaker 4: I think, take Stewart, Right, that's not a productive player

640
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:41,920
Speaker 4: in Texas.

641
00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:44,000
Speaker 2: That's who they thought they were. I thought they would

642
00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:44,200
Speaker 2: take it.

643
00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:47,600
Speaker 5: Take if you take Derek Harmon. There, what did the

644
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:49,040
Speaker 5: students now do? Do they trade down?

645
00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:50,440
Speaker 4: Do they move to a different position?

646
00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:52,720
Speaker 2: Now? No, who was the other guy that was there

647
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Speaker 2: at that time? West? Who there were three of them?

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Speaker 2: Who was the other guy? Walter Nolan? Yeah? Yeah, Where

649
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Speaker 2: did he gone?

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Speaker 3: Was he gone to Arizona? But before them, Nolan was gone,

651
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Speaker 3: Kenneth Grant.

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Speaker 6: Nolan before them, Grant, before Graham was out of the

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Speaker 6: I know he was gone to the Brown Browns, right,

654
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Speaker 6: they knew he was at but it was it was Grant,

655
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Speaker 6: it was Harmon, and it was Nolan.

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Speaker 2: Those were the three that they thought are going to

657
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Speaker 2: be in our range. But but two of them were

658
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Speaker 2: already that's right. So again, Harmon was two of the three.

659
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Speaker 2: So the other one was Grant.

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Speaker 4: I agree with you, and I will say this.

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Speaker 2: I'm telling you what they no.

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Speaker 4: No, no, no, no, no.

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Speaker 5: No, I'm agreeing with But but Grant was gone. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: I know, I know what would have happened. If the

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Speaker 5: Bengals had taken Harmon, then they would have been right.

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Speaker 5: So right, So so I think that what they and

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Speaker 5: I and I still believe. And I've said this before,

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Speaker 5: I think wide receivers this year's defensive line right there.

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Speaker 5: Last year, they go, they get a quality, they draft

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Speaker 5: two guys, they even get Toby Whoa as a as

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Speaker 5: an extra piece. I think that's what they're gonna do

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Speaker 5: at the wide receiver position. I think they're going to

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Speaker 5: add three guys. I really do, one in free agency,

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Speaker 5: two in the draft. Now, having said that, you know,

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Speaker 5: if they were to go with a higher end guy

676
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Speaker 5: in free agency, and we've talked to this and you

677
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Speaker 5: don't think they will.

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Speaker 4: But let's say they go.

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Speaker 2: I don't think they'll go get somebody above DK Metcalf.

680
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Speaker 5: But if they went out and got say Romeo Dobs, right,

681
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Speaker 5: and they were able to get him for a good number,

682
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Speaker 5: he wants to come.

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Speaker 4: Here and play for Aaron Rodgers. Whatever you signed Romeo Dops.

684
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Speaker 5: Well, now you sure nobody's going to turn their nose

685
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Speaker 5: up at another quality receiver.

686
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Speaker 4: Of course not.

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Speaker 5: But now let's say you go into that draft thinking, okay, well,

688
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Speaker 5: now we're hoping.

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Speaker 4: That, say we have a we love, you know, the

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Speaker 4: receiver from Notre Dame. We have a first round grete at.

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Speaker 5: Him, and they do like him. Okay, so I'm just

692
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Speaker 5: throwing that. And we love Peter Woods from Clemson. Okay,

693
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Speaker 5: there's two guys. The two guys I like the best.

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Speaker 2: I don't want to say the best, but the two

695
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Speaker 2: guys and I know they like him, is Fields and

696
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Speaker 2: Cooper from Indiana. Okay.

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Speaker 5: So let's say you're at a position in which you

698
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Speaker 5: don't you know, you could go one way or the other.

699
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Speaker 5: You don't want to put I don't know what they

700
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Speaker 5: would have done last year. You don't want to put

701
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Speaker 5: all your eggs in one basket. Because here's another thing,

702
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:06,880
Speaker 5: you could do too. You could say, listen, we think

703
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:09,960
Speaker 5: there's a lot of big nose tackle types. We think

704
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:13,320
Speaker 5: Benton's better served the defensive tackle. Again, these are new coaches.

705
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Speaker 5: I don't know how they're evaluating guys. But you're only

706
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Speaker 5: playing a nose tackle twenty five percent of the time.

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Speaker 5: You're not going to spend a first round pick on that.

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Speaker 5: But could you spend a third round pick on that?

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Speaker 2: Well? Sure?

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00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:26,120
Speaker 5: Sure, and now you're playing Benton at defensive tackle and

711
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Speaker 5: now you have that four man rotation by spending a

712
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Speaker 5: third round pick and not a first round pick.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Patrick Graham, you know they're not going to become

714
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Speaker 2: a four to three team obviously, right Their personnel is

715
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Speaker 2: three four and so that's the way they're going to play.

716
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Speaker 2: And if they're going to play a lot of sub

717
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Speaker 2: package football, and we'll see how often they play it.

718
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:43,920
Speaker 2: Mike Tomlin loves sub package football. They played it sixty

719
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Speaker 2: seventy percent of the time, right, you know, sixty sixty

720
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Speaker 2: five percent of the time. And so you know, do

721
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Speaker 2: you want to do you want to continue to do

722
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Speaker 2: that if you want to stop the run? Can you

723
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:55,760
Speaker 2: continue to play sub package football that much and rely

724
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Speaker 2: on your inside linebackers to not have bodies in front

725
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Speaker 2: of them to take on the defense offense of lineman.

726
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Speaker 2: Those are all the questions that we're going to see

727
00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:06,440
Speaker 2: how they want to approach this schematically. But I don't,

728
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:10,280
Speaker 2: you know, drafting a pure nose tackle. I mean, that's

729
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:12,720
Speaker 2: the Baltimore Ravens love to play that way. They want

730
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Speaker 2: those big fat guys in the middle right to stop

731
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Speaker 2: the run. But that's never really been the Steelers style

732
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Speaker 2: since Casey Hampton. But he was Casey Hampton was a freak.

733
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Speaker 2: You know, you couldn't move him and he could run

734
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Speaker 2: past you. That ring of honor, that's exactly right. That's

735
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Speaker 2: why he's there, That's right. So I I could see

736
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Speaker 2: a defensive lineman certainly, and before day two with that question, yep.

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Speaker 2: As Wes said earlier, you know, with three third round

738
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Speaker 2: picks as well. Even though I don't really think they're

739
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Speaker 2: going to use three third round picks, I believe somewhere

740
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Speaker 2: along the line it will be packaged for something, you know,

741
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Speaker 2: whether you know, and Wes and I were talking about

742
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Speaker 2: this earlier. You can have a whole bunch of wide receivers,

743
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Speaker 2: but if there's one you really like more than the others,

744
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Speaker 2: and you're close to him, and so he's at there

745
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Speaker 2: at say whether Steelers at twenty, and say sixteen or seventeen,

746
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Speaker 2: you go, we really like that guy, and then you make.

747
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Speaker 5: Some kind of absolutely fascinating stuff. The team building party,

748
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Speaker 5: I think is really fascinating. I think they're I think

749
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Speaker 5: they're way way closer to having a solid roster.

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Speaker 2: And one more thing. One more thing too, about the

751
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Speaker 2: wide receiver. And I don't think it was and I

752
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Speaker 2: talked about this, and I hate to keep saying that,

753
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Speaker 2: but if you're trying to bring Aaron Rodgers back, which

754
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:27,200
Speaker 2: they obviously of indicate they want to, maybe and I

755
00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:29,480
Speaker 2: don't know this to be true at all, but maybe

756
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Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers is thinking, I want to see what they

757
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Speaker 2: do if they bring in some better wide receivers, more

758
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Speaker 2: wide receivers. But that might be part of it too

759
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Speaker 2: in free agency.

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Speaker 5: Right, But you don't want to be waiting around forever

761
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Speaker 5: either for Aaron Rodgers, and they.

762
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Speaker 2: Don't believe they will. They don't believe they will.

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Speaker 5: I think ideally you'd like to have him signed before

764
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Speaker 5: free agency begins.

765
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Speaker 2: Well ideally, but I think it's probably more agreement and play.

766
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Speaker 2: I think or or is Omar contaid yesterday an idea

767
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Speaker 2: some idea that they believe that he is coming back.

768
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Speaker 2: They think he probably is, but you know they're there's.

769
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Speaker 4: Some idea that maybe he's sitting on this side of

770
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Speaker 4: the fence and maybe yeah.

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Speaker 5: Right, so we could go on and on with the

772
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Speaker 5: with the nuances and that we're gonna take a break.

773
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Speaker 5: We have Wes Yuler here, who was uh ticket taking

774
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Speaker 5: a much needed repose because I left you guys in

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Speaker 5: the lerks from my interview for for Steelers dot Com.

776
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:22,960
Speaker 4: But you're stretching, you're ready to go three hours of

777
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:24,719
Speaker 4: the drive a mental break?

778
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Speaker 5: Are you saving your best for the drive? You're gonna

779
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Speaker 5: give us your best right now after this break.

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Speaker 2: I'm probably gonna what he's doing, He's like those speed

781
00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:36,399
Speaker 2: skaters at the Olympics. He's drafting. He's drafting, and then

782
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Speaker 2: he'll put that push on it.

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Speaker 4: Exactly.

784
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Speaker 5: All right, Well, let's see what Let's see what we

785
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Speaker 5: get out of him when we when we returned from

786
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Speaker 5: the Indiana Convention Center in Indianapolis with our combine coverage

787
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Speaker 5: here on.

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Speaker 4: Steelers Nation Radio, part of the Steelers Audio Network.

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Speaker 1: This is live Cobley Chub that twenty twenty six NFL

790
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:05,040
Speaker 1: Combine on Steelers Nation Radio, a part of the Steelers

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Speaker 1: Audio Network.

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Speaker 5: And welcome back. Final segment of this portion of our show.

793
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Speaker 5: I missed the food discussion which which continued during the break,

794
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Speaker 5: and I put the question to Wes Euler. Of course,

795
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Speaker 5: we all know if you go to Saint Almo is

796
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Speaker 5: one of the most famous uh steak places in the country,

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Speaker 5: which I don't anticipate getting.

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Speaker 2: To, not at this point. So everybody, somebody has an invitation,

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Speaker 2: has a reservation.

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Speaker 5: So you're gonna get the steak, right, That's what you're

801
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Speaker 5: gonna get. Everybody knows. We're all gonna know this is

802
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Speaker 5: this is a rhetorical question for you, not necessarily for

803
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Speaker 5: the people listening, But what is the number one appetizer

804
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Speaker 5: you're gonna get at Saint Almos?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Right?

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Speaker 5: Shrimp cocktailrimprimp cockta. So is this show the shrimp cocktail?

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Speaker 5: For Wes Euler? Before the drive is Matt Williamson strolls in?

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Speaker 2: Is this the is this it?

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Speaker 4: I mean he's Here's Matt Williams at WIMS. Is the

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Speaker 4: fla Mignon?

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 4: And and and this is this is simply the uh.

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Speaker 2: I think he's more of a I think he's more

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Speaker 2: of a rib by guy. Oh, I'm with you.

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Speaker 4: I'm totally with you.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely like the fattiness of the rib Give me, give

817
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Speaker 3: me a rib every time. You know, Matt Williams's favorite advertiser,

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Speaker 3: it's not the shrimp cocktail. It's whiskey neat.

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Speaker 4: Oh wow wow. So are you how are you treating this?

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Speaker 2: West? Is this?

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Speaker 4: Uh?

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Speaker 5: Is this a shrimp cocktail for you as you get

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Speaker 5: ready for the drive today with Matt Williamson.

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Speaker 3: Every day is shrimp cocktail and rabbi with Matt Williamson

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Speaker 3: on the drive?

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Speaker 2: All right, fair enough, it's like.

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Speaker 3: Uh, you know, it's like it's like throwing alley oops

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Speaker 3: to Lebron.

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Speaker 2: It's a it's a great gig.

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Speaker 5: So you've been grinding it out West and I know

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Speaker 5: you're doing a lot of stuff uh in and around

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Speaker 5: the scenes as well, any center, any feel you've gotten

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Speaker 5: from the first two days of the combine, you're just

834
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Speaker 5: kind of grooving into uh uh til later on in

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Speaker 5: the week.

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Speaker 3: Today because you know, today is really the first time

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Speaker 3: that we had an opportunity to see the players here

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Speaker 3: from the players that type of thing. I I think

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Speaker 3: this linebacker class, in what we all know now, off

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Speaker 3: ball linebacker is one of those positions in the NFL

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Speaker 3: that is historically not as strong right now as it

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Speaker 3: has been. You know, offensive line play has been a

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Speaker 3: little bit down the last decade. I think, you know,

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Speaker 3: true off ball linebacker play you can say the same.

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Speaker 3: But man, with the class last year that was really

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Speaker 3: good included Carson Swessinger Defensive Rookie of the Year, and

847
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Speaker 3: this class this year, I mean, I think there's potentially

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Speaker 3: four or five guys who could be you know, Pro Bowl,

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Speaker 3: All Pro caliber type linebackers in this class and some

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Speaker 3: really different types. You've got the two Ohio State guys.

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Speaker 3: Rvo Reese probably ends up becoming a Micah Parsons and

852
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Speaker 3: converted into a true edge rusher. But Sonny Styles can

853
00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:45,120
Speaker 3: be an absolute freak. Rodriguez from Texas Tech is so

854
00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:48,960
Speaker 3: interesting to me. He's just a Swiss army knife who

855
00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:52,439
Speaker 3: forces turnovers like every quarter that he's on the football field.

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00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:56,080
Speaker 3: He's got like that TJ. Watt knack for just interceptions,

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Speaker 3: forced fumbles, sacks, you name it. Texas has a who's

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Speaker 3: very good. Georgia has a guy who's very good. I

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Speaker 3: think there could be five or six off ball linebackers

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Speaker 3: who are like a Carson Sweeshanser instant impact their rookie

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Speaker 3: season in the NFL, which we don't see a ton

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00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:11,480
Speaker 3: of anymore.

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Speaker 5: What I used to call an inside linebackers now off

864
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:17,279
Speaker 5: off ball linebacker. So I will say this, I do

865
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:20,880
Speaker 5: think Wes has hit upon kind of a kind of

866
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:24,200
Speaker 5: a sneaky maybe not need, but a position you'd like

867
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:26,719
Speaker 5: to strengthened. With Patrick Queen going into his final year

868
00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:30,440
Speaker 5: before he's getting into free agency, and then you've got

869
00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:34,080
Speaker 5: to think about Peyton Wilson will be entering his what

870
00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:37,320
Speaker 5: fourth year, third year this year, but I've been talking.

871
00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:39,120
Speaker 2: About next year be his fourth year. They'll worry about

872
00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:39,560
Speaker 2: that next.

873
00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:39,920
Speaker 4: Right, right.

874
00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:44,880
Speaker 5: But but inside linebacker or or Peyton Wilson both, okay,

875
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:48,200
Speaker 5: because I was gonna say, like safety, an inside linebacker,

876
00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:51,400
Speaker 5: especially if you re sign a couple of corners of

877
00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:54,759
Speaker 5: your own corners. But again, I would like to put

878
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:58,640
Speaker 5: yourself in a position where you're bowled over by this

879
00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:01,400
Speaker 5: inside linebacker we had him rated eleventh this year, or

880
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:03,880
Speaker 5: this safety. We think he's the twelfth best player in

881
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:06,120
Speaker 5: the class. Here we are twenty one. I don't know

882
00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:08,279
Speaker 5: if that'll happen. I still think I still go back

883
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:10,439
Speaker 5: to thinking it's going to be a receiver, but i'd

884
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:12,600
Speaker 5: like to I'd like to see them in that position

885
00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:15,760
Speaker 5: because I do think safety is something you'd like to address.

886
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:18,120
Speaker 5: And keep in mind, the Steelers for years were able

887
00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:21,600
Speaker 5: to make luxury type picks, not necessarily in the first round,

888
00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:24,680
Speaker 5: but de Troy Palmola was was a guy that again

889
00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:27,440
Speaker 5: we mentioned him earlier, Cam Hayward, Cam Hayward, I mean,

890
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:30,640
Speaker 5: these guys were quote unquote luxury picks, but.

891
00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:33,799
Speaker 2: They were also right. But they were also AFC contending teams, right,

892
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:35,319
Speaker 2: super Bowl contending team.

893
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:37,239
Speaker 4: But you're now that's I think you are.

894
00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:38,120
Speaker 2: This team is not.

895
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:40,000
Speaker 5: But they won the AFC North this year, and I

896
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:43,680
Speaker 5: think they're closer now, Jerry, to being that kind of

897
00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:45,839
Speaker 5: team than they've been for several years.

898
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:46,120
Speaker 4: Now.

899
00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:48,439
Speaker 2: Well, I agree with you there, because the last several

900
00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:50,680
Speaker 2: years I did not think they were that and I've

901
00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:53,759
Speaker 2: always thought they could. They were a playoff contending team,

902
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:56,319
Speaker 2: but I not thought they were a super Bowl contending team.

903
00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:59,080
Speaker 2: But let you know, you know who the Steelers, Mike

904
00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:01,160
Speaker 2: Tomlin thought the best player in the draft was last

905
00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:04,239
Speaker 2: year that Nick Emmin Ward. Oh. I loved him. He

906
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:05,880
Speaker 2: thought he was the best player in the draft. Just

907
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:08,880
Speaker 2: where does it go? Second second round? Hes a Seattle terrific.

908
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:11,080
Speaker 2: He thought he was the best player in the draft,

909
00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:13,439
Speaker 2: but they didn't take him. I won because they had

910
00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:14,160
Speaker 2: another need.

911
00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:16,360
Speaker 5: I was curious that he was kind of where I

912
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:19,000
Speaker 5: was going because last year. Again, I'm going to preface

913
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Speaker 5: this by saying, I'm not a scout. I don't study

914
00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:24,080
Speaker 5: tape same I don't have any idea. I'm not in

915
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:26,120
Speaker 5: the room interviewing these guys and getting a sense of

916
00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:29,239
Speaker 5: their character. I'm simply going on what I read and

917
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:32,160
Speaker 5: what I feel with buzz and conversations that I have

918
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:35,160
Speaker 5: with people as I try to glean more information. But

919
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:38,840
Speaker 5: you know, the safety from Toledo right now is intriguing me.

920
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:41,880
Speaker 5: The offensive tackle from Arizona.

921
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:42,240
Speaker 4: State is intriguing.

922
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:44,840
Speaker 5: And there's a couple there's a couple of receivers that

923
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:46,120
Speaker 5: are intriguing me right now.

924
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:48,439
Speaker 4: But Emmin Warry was that guy last year.

925
00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:51,759
Speaker 5: I was like, hmm, you know, because he's look, you

926
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:54,640
Speaker 5: have to shore up your run defense. Well, a guy

927
00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:57,040
Speaker 5: who can come down in the box and thump people.

928
00:41:57,600 --> 00:42:00,160
Speaker 5: Maybe it's not the traditional way to help your run,

929
00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:02,000
Speaker 5: but that's gonna help you run, you know what I mean.

930
00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:04,800
Speaker 5: They didn't have a guy like that either, so I

931
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:08,680
Speaker 5: would have been I'd be interested to know, if not Harmon,

932
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:11,040
Speaker 5: who who would have been the next guy. And Evan

933
00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:13,439
Speaker 5: Warry was a guy as we were sitting here last year,

934
00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:16,120
Speaker 5: I didn't know much about before the combine, but just

935
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:18,800
Speaker 5: hearing the kind of buzzy created made me very interested.

936
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, and and so I think sometimes that you know,

937
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:28,000
Speaker 2: you look at not necessarily who they feel is the

938
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:30,680
Speaker 2: best player, but that's why they draft for where they

939
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:34,200
Speaker 2: they need. We always heard that that line that they

940
00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:37,040
Speaker 2: take the best athlete available. That's not true. They take

941
00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:39,759
Speaker 2: the best of athlete available with the position that they need.

942
00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:42,160
Speaker 2: And so that's the way they address this. And to

943
00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:44,640
Speaker 2: your point, you know, I'm no scout. I don't pretend

944
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:47,160
Speaker 2: to be. I don't study tape. I watch college football,

945
00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:49,000
Speaker 2: I watch players after all these years. I have an

946
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:50,960
Speaker 2: idea who can play and who can't, but I don't

947
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:53,600
Speaker 2: study him. But I don't pretend to know who's good.

948
00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:55,880
Speaker 2: But I'll tell you what they think. Right, that's what

949
00:42:56,040 --> 00:42:57,799
Speaker 2: and so that's all that matters to me. And I

950
00:42:57,800 --> 00:42:59,640
Speaker 2: will say this about like somebody will say do you

951
00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:01,239
Speaker 2: like so, and so I'll say, well, I like him,

952
00:43:01,239 --> 00:43:04,240
Speaker 2: but more importantly they like that. Well, more importantly they don't.

953
00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:06,080
Speaker 5: Like That's it, right, So you have to deal with

954
00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:09,920
Speaker 5: in practicality, right, which is where you try to keep it. Hopefully,

955
00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:11,600
Speaker 5: I try to keep it between the rails of what

956
00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:13,640
Speaker 5: is plausible and possible.

957
00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:15,040
Speaker 4: But I still going back to that.

958
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:17,880
Speaker 5: One of the things that Doders have not done, and

959
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:20,719
Speaker 5: certainly haven't done under Omar Khan and haven't done in

960
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:22,959
Speaker 5: quite some time, is reach for a guy because of need.

961
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:27,720
Speaker 5: And so if if your three first round tackle guys

962
00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:29,879
Speaker 5: who you thought could could be available for you are

963
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:33,600
Speaker 5: not available, what are you doing next? And the more

964
00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:37,680
Speaker 5: broadly you can say, hey, listen, we want to take

965
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:42,680
Speaker 5: the best guy available at say four different positions. Then

966
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:45,600
Speaker 5: you open yourself up to get that guy that we

967
00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:47,719
Speaker 5: were talking about earlier, that you take it twenty one

968
00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:51,200
Speaker 5: and three years from now, somebody does, hey, let's redo

969
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:53,640
Speaker 5: the twenty twenty six draft and that guy twenty one

970
00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:54,879
Speaker 5: we would have taken him six.

971
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Speaker 4: Right, that's the guy.

972
00:43:56,640 --> 00:43:59,960
Speaker 5: And the more broadly, you open yourself up to draft possibility,

973
00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:02,120
Speaker 5: and the Shooters, I think have always had a pretty

974
00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:05,600
Speaker 5: good job of this, making themselves available to brought. The

975
00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:09,759
Speaker 5: better chance you have of getting that type of a player, I.

976
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Speaker 2: Think Well said, yeah, you.

977
00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:16,359
Speaker 3: Want the Cam Heyward scenario to be a possibility right

978
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:18,719
Speaker 3: on exactly that this guy, I think what they had

979
00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:21,320
Speaker 3: him sixteenth I think or fourteenth on their big board.

980
00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:22,919
Speaker 3: They didn't think there was any chance he was gonna

981
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:24,600
Speaker 3: be there at pick thirty one, and he was. And

982
00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:26,640
Speaker 3: it's not a priority, it's not a position to need,

983
00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:29,000
Speaker 3: but we can't pass up on this guy, right I

984
00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:31,960
Speaker 3: think there's a chance that that could happen in this class,

985
00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:34,480
Speaker 3: maybe with a wide receiver, maybe with a defensive tackle,

986
00:44:34,719 --> 00:44:37,239
Speaker 3: as we've mentioned. But there's gonna be a run on

987
00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:39,440
Speaker 3: edg rushers, and there's gonna be a run on offensive

988
00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:42,200
Speaker 3: tackles in the top twenty, and those are positions that

989
00:44:42,239 --> 00:44:44,040
Speaker 3: I think we would all be very surprised if the

990
00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:45,600
Speaker 3: Steelers went with in the first round.

991
00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:47,160
Speaker 2: You want a.

992
00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:50,239
Speaker 3: Handful of ed rushers, handful of offensive tackles, push those

993
00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:52,960
Speaker 3: wide receivers, those defensive tackles back down the board.

994
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:54,120
Speaker 2: That's a good place to be.

995
00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:57,120
Speaker 5: And here's what I always come to when I'm here, Like, so,

996
00:44:58,040 --> 00:45:00,480
Speaker 5: now I'm like, well, how about an offensive tackle? You

997
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:02,239
Speaker 5: know you got Broderick Jones. You're probably not gonna hime

998
00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:04,000
Speaker 5: a fifth year. Yet don't come, Mack, what if you

999
00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:06,640
Speaker 5: found that offensive tackle? What if you got that safety?

1000
00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:08,480
Speaker 5: What do you got that? It all comes back to

1001
00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:11,560
Speaker 5: me thinking they're probably going to take a receiver. But

1002
00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:13,680
Speaker 5: but I could convince myself.

1003
00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:16,200
Speaker 2: Off a lot you think yourself on. That's right, That's

1004
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:19,080
Speaker 2: that's exactly right. That's right. So that's why I always say,

1005
00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:21,400
Speaker 2: do not lose sight of the fact that Mike McCarthy

1006
00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:24,520
Speaker 2: isn't is the coach of this team, and he believes

1007
00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:27,239
Speaker 2: in wide receivers in a quarterback, and do not never

1008
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:28,799
Speaker 2: lose sight of that.

1009
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:31,359
Speaker 5: That is Jerry Dulac. He is Wes you or West

1010
00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:34,120
Speaker 5: either coming up with Matt Williamson in the drive. Uh

1011
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:36,960
Speaker 5: next year. I'm Rob king Dune for today, looking forward

1012
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Speaker 5: to tomorrow as we continue our coverage week long here

1013
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Speaker 5: at the Combine in Indianapolis here on Steelers Nation Radio,

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