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Speaker 1: Problem solved? Is it pat? Is it pat? Bah? My goodness,

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Speaker 1: Problem solved, fuckdown, Tyler Murray. That defender is in multiple pieces?

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Speaker 1: All that was nasty right there? Rights the latest news

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Speaker 1: and notes from the guys who cover the teams. Rilled

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Speaker 1: by Simmons. Isaiah Simmons is bawling, Bring it on, Bring

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Speaker 1: it on. Slam the ground by Fota Baker like a torpedo.

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Speaker 1: He came flying into the backfield. I scared, and nobody.

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Speaker 1: Here's Paul calvic. Well, there's the known, and then there's

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Speaker 1: the unknown owned, and then there's what we think we

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Speaker 1: know going into an NFL season. It is Cardinals Underground,

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Speaker 1: of the Arizona Cardinals. Paul KELVC Darren urban Kallo to guard.

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Speaker 1: There's the off season, the rapidly approaching preseason, and then

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Speaker 1: what that all means for the regular season. And then

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Speaker 1: there's the Cardinals offense that guess what is unique in

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Speaker 1: a lot of ways in the NFL. And if you

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Speaker 1: look at what happened a year ago was certain quarterbacks

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Speaker 1: entering year number three, oh Baker Mayfield and Josh Allen

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Speaker 1: and then you had Lamar Jackson all securing their first

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Speaker 1: playoff wins? Is that the next step, the next chapter

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Speaker 1: for one Kyler Murray. We have gathered here today to

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Speaker 1: talk about this offense and this quarterback as we enter

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Speaker 1: two twenty one. Kyle, you've got something to say, No,

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Speaker 1: I think it's it's a good point, like what is

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Speaker 1: Kyler Murray going to do in twenty twenty one? And

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Speaker 1: it's going to be a huge determinant of how good

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Speaker 1: this offense is? And looking back at last year, it's

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Speaker 1: kind of a chicken or the egg question with the

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Speaker 1: passing game. Was Kyler Murray not advanced enough scanning the

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Speaker 1: field and making his reads and figuring out where to

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Speaker 1: go with the ball. Is that why they weren't super

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Speaker 1: efficient passing it? Or was it because the receivers weren't

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Speaker 1: that great and we look at it now. They've got

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Speaker 1: better receivers with aj Green and Rondel Moore, and Kyler

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Speaker 1: Murray is a year more experienced. So if that passing

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Speaker 1: game takes that next step and is above average this year,

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Speaker 1: then yeah, I think the offense is going to be

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Speaker 1: really good. But that's the big question in year three,

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Speaker 1: is that jump coming. I found the quote sam Acho,

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Speaker 1: all the astute and the wise one. Sam Acho, former Cardinal.

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Speaker 1: He was on the Big Red Rage in the offseason,

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Speaker 1: and okay, as a guy who's defended a number of

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Speaker 1: NFL quarterbacks over the years and has studied NFL quarterbacks

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Speaker 1: for a living, we asked him about Kyler Murray because

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Speaker 1: he says he still follows the Cardinals. He's still an

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Speaker 1: avid watcher of Cardinals football. And here was his quote

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Speaker 1: on the Big Red Rage. Kyler needs to grow in

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Speaker 1: reading defenses. He can't get trapped by defensive coordinators. And

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Speaker 1: he cited the New England loss in particular Belichick and

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Speaker 1: he needs to up that part of his game. End quote,

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Speaker 1: Sam Macho. I think that's pretty fair. I mean, I

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Speaker 1: think that's a version of what we've all kind of

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Speaker 1: of go with his offense, because realistically, you're you're only

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Speaker 1: and you know, DeAndre Hopkins is your number one receiver

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Speaker 1: And I think we all know that there are things

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Speaker 1: he needs to make more layups Kyler Murray. There can't

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Speaker 1: that equates more with like a mid range jumper, maybe

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Speaker 1: now if it's just like you said, the five step

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Speaker 1: look for some consistency in that area that Kyle is

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Speaker 1: And then and then I go to the Carolina game

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Speaker 1: That's kind of where I see it. So k one

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Speaker 1: fourth quarter there he is boom mid range. The NBA

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Speaker 1: sam Acho and the adjustments that were made, I mean, Kyle,

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Speaker 1: try and read and react to Cipher and discern, Okay,

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Speaker 1: who's the open guy? Where am I going with this ball?

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Speaker 1: And until they adjust to that adjustment, guess what, they're

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Speaker 1: going to continue to see it. Yeah, that's been the

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Speaker 1: m a lot where like you said, the two high

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Speaker 1: So I think the Cardinals know what's coming when the

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Speaker 1: Now we get into the more salacious where we disagree.

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Speaker 1: When I bring up Kyler and his legs, he called

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Speaker 1: him a luxury in the offseason. I'm on the record

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Speaker 1: is saying, look, he's a passing quarterback who can run.

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Speaker 1: He shouldn't be a running quarterback who will throw Allah

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Speaker 1: Michael Vick. I'd like to see him run far less

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Speaker 1: design runs. And I think Darren has some buying on that,

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Speaker 1: from Kyle on that front. Well, what we've been talking

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Speaker 1: stand on it. Until your passing game becomes above average,

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Speaker 1: that'll take the onus off Kyler. Okay, great, how do

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Speaker 1: you make the run game above average? Well, Yler's legs.

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Speaker 1: different type of straight ahead You want more power run games,

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Speaker 1: thirteen personnel. So I think I think as much as

427
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Speaker 1: you can focus on these bruiser type guys, I can

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Speaker 1: make the exact same argument that Rondale Moore is now

429
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Speaker 1: here and now you've got four wide receivers. You didn't

430
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Speaker 1: address the tight end room at all. You've still got

431
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Speaker 1: Max Williams, Durell Daniels in a big question mark. To me,

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Speaker 1: I think it's you're just getting prettier, You're going more

433
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Speaker 1: four wide, you're doing Chase Edmonds, to me, is clearly

434
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Speaker 1: going to get more playing time than James Connor because

435
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Speaker 1: of the way everything's matching up, because of his skill set.

436
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Speaker 1: I would be very surprised if James Connor out snapped

437
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Speaker 1: Chase Edmonds on a consistent basis. If indeed, Rondale Moore

438
00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:40,680
Speaker 1: is a kid who teleports and he's making guys miss

439
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Speaker 1: all of the field. Sure, you play to your strengths

440
00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:45,480
Speaker 1: and you're gonna see ten personnel, but let's not forget

441
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Speaker 1: everybody is looking for that Tyreek Hill. The other teams

442
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Speaker 1: in the division went that direction. Right after Rondale Moore

443
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Speaker 1: was drafted. Dwayne Eskridge went to Seattle two two at

444
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Speaker 1: Well went to the Rams. And they're not running a

445
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Speaker 1: ton of ten personnel either. It's just sort it's sort

446
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Speaker 1: of the the recent fad, if you will, in the NFL,

447
00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:08,280
Speaker 1: the copycat league aspect, where everybody's looking for that sort

448
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Speaker 1: of dude. I would say that is true to us, Andy,

449
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Speaker 1: if you will, I understand that. Um, thanks for driving

450
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Speaker 1: that home. UM. I would agree with Kyle though. Honestly, though,

451
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Speaker 1: while I can see where you're talking about with more

452
00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:24,959
Speaker 1: and you're right, every team is looking for that guy. Um,

453
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Speaker 1: I think it's the tight end thing that has caught

454
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Speaker 1: my attention more. I mean, so, if you're really gonna

455
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Speaker 1: go heavy tight end all the time, or use the

456
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Speaker 1: tight end more often, this is this is kind of

457
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Speaker 1: where you are You're not, I mean, I don't think

458
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Speaker 1: we're gonna have mandatory psycho. If you're going thirteen personnel,

459
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Speaker 1: do you have a third dead end to use? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: his name is Josh Jones. No, I'm not kidding. I

461
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Speaker 1: mean they start using him for frequently the last two

462
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Speaker 1: years of the year. And that's trump probably true. Or J. J. Watt,

463
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Speaker 1: who can catch passes? And remember there's the prop bed

464
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Speaker 1: out there. Okay, will he or will he not catch

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Speaker 1: a pass in twenty twenty one? Keep bringing it up

466
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Speaker 1: because this is right, I say, Will Darren says he

467
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Speaker 1: will of course. Uh, if it's gonna go that far, Kyle,

468
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Speaker 1: I'm I'm I'm literally gonna go to Cliff and suggested,

469
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Speaker 1: or at least Kenny Bell and say you need to

470
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Speaker 1: tell Cliff do something, just so I can put it

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Speaker 1: in Kyle's face. Go ahead once again. Twenty fourteen was

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Speaker 1: the last time he caught a pass. That's why it's

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Speaker 1: gonna catch. Defense is unawares. They're gonna see J. J.

474
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Speaker 1: Watt run on that field. Have you seen the track

475
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Speaker 1: record of the team he was just playing for and

476
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Speaker 1: how they've been misusing personnel. Yeah, it's like, oh, he's

477
00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:30,360
Speaker 1: only got to Shaun Watson throwing him the ball. Right.

478
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Speaker 1: Oh boy? You know what, there is the thirty year

479
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Speaker 1: old factor that ties all these names together. Whether it's

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Speaker 1: Rodney Hudson, Brian Winters, JJ Watt, whether it's a Malcolm Butler, okay,

481
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Speaker 1: but we're talking offense right now. So how about AJ Green? Guys?

482
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Speaker 1: You know, somebody just asked me a real generic question

483
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Speaker 1: about the Cardinals in this year, and I said, well,

484
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Speaker 1: and the first thing I thought of was, well, the

485
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Speaker 1: thirty s things deliver because we started this podcast by

486
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Speaker 1: saying the known and the unknown. Well, the known is

487
00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:08,480
Speaker 1: once amount of time. All these players I just name

488
00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:13,960
Speaker 1: were spectacular, some of them recently have been some more removed.

489
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Speaker 1: You got to go back to twenty eighteen for James Connor,

490
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Speaker 1: really when he was that guy and his running backs coach.

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Speaker 1: By the way, it was James Saxon who was the

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Speaker 1: current Cardinals running backs coach AJ Green. You have to

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Speaker 1: go back two years because of the foot injury in

494
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Speaker 1: nineteen and rarely a non season a year ago for

495
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Speaker 1: a variety of reasons. So how big a question mark

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Speaker 1: Darren to you is AJ Green when you talk about

497
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Speaker 1: wide receiver too behind DeAndre Hopkins. Well, since I really

498
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Speaker 1: haven't had a chance to interact with AJ Green a

499
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Speaker 1: whole lot, it's bad for me to like already get

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Speaker 1: into potentially getting on his bad side. But I think

501
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Speaker 1: he's a big question mark, and I think that's only fair.

502
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Speaker 1: And I think if aj Green really, you know, looked

503
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Speaker 1: at it with perspective, he'd understand why. I'm not saying

504
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Speaker 1: he's not going to be super successful, and I'm not

505
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Speaker 1: saying he doesn't have the right to have a chip

506
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Speaker 1: on a shoulder to show everybody, But I think he

507
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Speaker 1: would understand that being on the outside. I mean, how

508
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Speaker 1: else would you interpret that. I do think he has

509
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Speaker 1: a chance to do some things, especially when defenses are

510
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Speaker 1: going to be looking so closely at Delandre Hopkins. But

511
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Speaker 1: but we don't know. We don't know where a guy

512
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Speaker 1: is at this age. You know, you brought it up

513
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Speaker 1: a few podcasts ago, you know, Larry Fitzgerald kind of

514
00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:28,280
Speaker 1: having a renaissance in the in the right circumstances with

515
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Speaker 1: the right quarterback and having those three straight hundred catch seasons.

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Speaker 1: You know, I don't I don't know what Aj Green

517
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Speaker 1: is going to be able to provide you, And I

518
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Speaker 1: don't think it's fair to necessarily look at straight statistics.

519
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Speaker 1: It's going to be how he produces on the field

520
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Speaker 1: and how he fits with everything else. He's not going

521
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Speaker 1: to be the number one receiver. He's not gonna put

522
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Speaker 1: up a thousand yard season. I don't believe so, and

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Speaker 1: that doesn't mean he can't have a very very good

524
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Speaker 1: season getting you eight hundred yards. Could I say that

525
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Speaker 1: the fact he's not the number one receiver for the

526
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Speaker 1: first time in his career might be the catalyst pave

527
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Speaker 1: the way for a pretty productive year because DeAndre Hopkins

528
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Speaker 1: is the guy, whereas AJ Green is spend in his

529
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Speaker 1: entire career as being that guy getting all that attention.

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Speaker 1: It's always possible. I mean again, if this passing offense,

531
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Speaker 1: in this offense in general, can get some consistency, you're

532
00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:18,359
Speaker 1: going to get more opportunities. I mean again, statistics can

533
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Speaker 1: only be generated and compiled. Is if your offense is

534
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Speaker 1: very effective and you have the ball a lot, And

535
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Speaker 1: if you can't do that, then everybody's numbers are going

536
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Speaker 1: to go down. Well, because if he isn't the outside guy, Kyle,

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Speaker 1: think of the trickle down effect. If he is the

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Speaker 1: outside guy, then all of a sudden, Christian Kirk can

539
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Speaker 1: go inside, which I think we all agree suits his

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00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:42,760
Speaker 1: skill set better. He's more comfortable at. But if AJ

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Speaker 1: Green is not reliable and is not productive of the outside,

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Speaker 1: now all of a sudden, guys are getting outside their

543
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Speaker 1: norms a little bit, and that might skew the entire rotation. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think AJ Green is not gonna play,

545
00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:59,440
Speaker 1: so I feel like he's definitely gonna be on the outside.

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Speaker 1: Injury history is something you'd be concerned about, so you're

547
00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:05,920
Speaker 1: right there where if he gets hurt, Christian Kirk moves outside,

548
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:08,200
Speaker 1: Rondel Moore is still on the slot, so you're okay,

549
00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:11,159
Speaker 1: but it's maybe not optimal. But with aj Green, the

550
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Speaker 1: most interesting thing to me is the money they gave him.

551
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Speaker 1: We're not talking about the veteran minimum salary. It was

552
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Speaker 1: I think six million dollars in a depressed free agent market,

553
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Speaker 1: so they think that AJ Green can still play, clearly,

554
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Speaker 1: and it wasn't twelve million dollars. It wasn't a guy

555
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Speaker 1: that is coming off a nice season. They had to

556
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Speaker 1: fight a bunch of people for him. But six million

557
00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:34,800
Speaker 1: in this market was still a lot. It was more

558
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Speaker 1: than Malcolm Butler, Hassan Reddick was around there, so it

559
00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:40,800
Speaker 1: was a good chunk of change. And if he can

560
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Speaker 1: live up to that, then this offense definitely has that

561
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Speaker 1: next level as we're talking about with Kyler. If AJ

562
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Speaker 1: Green plays really well and has the numbers that means

563
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Speaker 1: that intermediate passing game is working, because I think that's

564
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Speaker 1: where he's going to feast in this offense. He's going

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Speaker 1: to be that intermediate guy. And yeah, I agree, it's

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Speaker 1: one of the big question marks. How is Kyler going

567
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Speaker 1: to do passing the ball and what does aj Green

568
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:04,640
Speaker 1: bring to the table. Once again, the amazing stat from

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Speaker 1: last year one hundred four targets just forty seven receptions.

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Speaker 1: That was the lowest percentage in the NFL. YEA, how

571
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Speaker 1: many of those passes were catchable. He had three quarterbacks,

572
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Speaker 1: including the rookie who was getting harassed and eventually knocked

573
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Speaker 1: out for the season with injury. He was always getting

574
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Speaker 1: a lot of attention from defensive backfields the foot injury.

575
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Speaker 1: Now two years removed from that, he's off the turf,

576
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:31,520
Speaker 1: which has a bad reputation. Even the fact they did

577
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Speaker 1: even have practice bubble he would have to practice in

578
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Speaker 1: the cold and on the turf and Cincinnati, So there's

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Speaker 1: a lot of reasons you can put together. There's a

580
00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:40,920
Speaker 1: lot of guys who believe AJ Green is poised for

581
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Speaker 1: an NFL comeback Player of the Year type season, and

582
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Speaker 1: the fact he's just motivated getting out of Cincinnati. Hello,

583
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Speaker 1: Carson Palmer. I mean, when you reach thirty three years old,

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Speaker 1: I think it's always a question, especially with that injury history,

585
00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:55,440
Speaker 1: whether he can do it. So I'd like to see

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Speaker 1: what he looks like in camp, how it's going before

587
00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:00,200
Speaker 1: I say he's going to be in that type of

588
00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:04,640
Speaker 1: that type of running. But yeah, I mean, is it possible. Sure,

589
00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:07,120
Speaker 1: it's Aj Green, We've all we all know the natural

590
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:09,640
Speaker 1: talent within him. It's just can he still do it

591
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Speaker 1: at this age after several significant injuries. And by the

592
00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:16,120
Speaker 1: way he has a reputation is practicing really hard, like

593
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Speaker 1: being a Larry Fitzgerald type in practice, taking it very

594
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Speaker 1: seriously competing. So A, keep your eye in number eighteen

595
00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:24,920
Speaker 1: and B keep your eye especially in number eighteen when

596
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Speaker 1: he's going against Robert Alford. It's gonna be a heavyweight

597
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Speaker 1: battle in camp. And I also think for the first time,

598
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Speaker 1: if he's not getting a great catch Ray in a

599
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Speaker 1: great yards per target, they're not just going to keep

600
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Speaker 1: feeding Aj Green the ball like they did every single

601
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Speaker 1: season in Cincinnati. You've obviously got d hop But Kyler

602
00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:44,480
Speaker 1: Murray has great chemistry with Christian Kirk Rondale Moore is

603
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Speaker 1: a new kid on the block with that jitterbug style.

604
00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:50,200
Speaker 1: I mean, there's three other guys that want the ball

605
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Speaker 1: a lot, so aj Green I think has to show

606
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Speaker 1: early on that hey, I am definitely your legitimate number

607
00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:58,080
Speaker 1: two option and look for me a lot. But the

608
00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:00,240
Speaker 1: thirty year old Day invested the most in which Darren

609
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:04,400
Speaker 1: made the point. Rodney Hudson the new center, and they

610
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:06,160
Speaker 1: were all too happy to swing a deal with the

611
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:09,719
Speaker 1: Raiders and bring him down. And so not only does

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00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:12,720
Speaker 1: he have that experience, he didn't have a penalty last year.

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Speaker 1: Think about that. We probably haven't mentioned that enough in

614
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Speaker 1: the offseason. Yeah, the Arizona Cardinals led the NFL in

615
00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:23,480
Speaker 1: twenty twenty in penalty flags. That's something they must remedy.

616
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Speaker 1: You cannot beat yourself in the NFL. That's a good point.

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00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:29,560
Speaker 1: I mean, I talk about Pro Football focus grades a lot,

618
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 1: and I think the way you played last year blocking

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Speaker 1: run blocking, pass blocking is much more predictive than penalties.

620
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Speaker 1: But penalties can really hurt you on drives, especially holding penalties.

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Speaker 1: When you lose ten yards, I mean, your drive is

622
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:45,280
Speaker 1: pretty much shot when you're first and twenty year second

623
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Speaker 1: and seventeen. You're in a really bad spot. So the

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00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:50,320
Speaker 1: fact that he doesn't get penalized, I think speaks to

625
00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:52,800
Speaker 1: his talent where if he doesn't get beat, he doesn't

626
00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:55,080
Speaker 1: have to hold, so it's easier to do that. And

627
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Speaker 1: I think DJ Humphries is at the point where he

628
00:31:57,600 --> 00:31:59,800
Speaker 1: does a nice job blocking and he's not gonna have

629
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Speaker 1: to hold to like they have the talent to not

630
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Speaker 1: have those penalties. To me, it's don't get the pre

631
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Speaker 1: snap ones either. The false starts were bad last year.

632
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:10,160
Speaker 1: You can't hold. You can't do the false starts because

633
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:12,400
Speaker 1: I think they have enough talent to not fall into

634
00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:15,120
Speaker 1: that trap. But yeah, if you get penalties, that's rough.

635
00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:18,000
Speaker 1: Patrick Peterson led the NFL and penalties a year ago

636
00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:21,160
Speaker 1: between pat P and Mason Cole, the former center, I mean,

637
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Speaker 1: you need two hands to count all those those are

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Speaker 1: talent related, right, Because pat P was getting beat and

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Speaker 1: he's grabbing on it wasn't it wasn't really a mental thing.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't pre snap stuff with Mason Cole and Pat P.

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Speaker 1: We were losing our battle and we were trying to

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Speaker 1: make up for it. So what do you think it

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Speaker 1: means for this offensive line? Overall, Darren. I mean, we've

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Speaker 1: cited the analytics in the offseason. They were number three

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Speaker 1: in pass block win rate with ESPN. There was the

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Speaker 1: recent stat that came out Survival Analysis saying the Cardinals

647
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Speaker 1: were number one and best hurry probability of Kyler Murray.

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Speaker 1: Is he more apt and able now to sit in

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Speaker 1: the pocket at his stature when Rodney Hudson is holding

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Speaker 1: the point. Well, I gotta be honest, guys, when I

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Speaker 1: go and deep into my thoughts in a darkened room,

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Speaker 1: I've said all along this offseason that Rodney Hudson was

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Speaker 1: to me the most important acquisition. I'm kind of wrestling

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Speaker 1: with that a little bit, losing some sleep at night

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Speaker 1: because now I'm kind of feeling like JJ Watt could

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Speaker 1: end up being that guy. But I still think Hudson

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Speaker 1: is so important even if he doesn't end up number

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Speaker 1: one on my personal list, because I just think that

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Speaker 1: he's going to bring a you know, it settles down

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Speaker 1: that whole situation. I mean, I think there was The

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Speaker 1: center position has been a very interesting one for this

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Speaker 1: team for a number of years. I mean, they had

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Speaker 1: a Q Shipley originally, and then they had to bring

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Speaker 1: back in twenty fifteen miles in line because AQ wasn't

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Speaker 1: quite doing what they wanted in that training camp. And

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Speaker 1: then the next year AQ finally took over, and I

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Speaker 1: think he did a solid job, but they drafted Evan

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Speaker 1: Bam Did you replace him? And that did not work.

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Speaker 1: And then they eventually drafted Mason Cole to replace him,

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Speaker 1: who he did end up replacing him, but that didn't

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Speaker 1: really work either. And I just think that's it's a

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Speaker 1: position that this is the best center that this team

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Speaker 1: has had in you know, you can argue potentially the

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Speaker 1: best center they've had since I've been covering the team.

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Speaker 1: In two thousand and they signed Mike Gridadoria as a

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Speaker 1: free agent off the Super Bowl winning Rams back in

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Speaker 1: two thousand. He was okay, and that Cardinals team wasn't

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Speaker 1: all that great. But I think Rodney Hudson's the best

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Speaker 1: center they've had, and I do think it's going to

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Speaker 1: have a trickle down effect on this offense. Well. When

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Speaker 1: Kyler did a round of media interviews, it was early

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Speaker 1: in the league year, the new league year, and he

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Speaker 1: went on the Rich Eyes and Show and he sort

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Speaker 1: of asked him a big picture question about the Cardinals

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Speaker 1: offense and the up and down nature, the inconsistency of it,

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Speaker 1: the hot start and then the lackluster finished. And his

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Speaker 1: comment was, well, we have to quote take care of

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Speaker 1: the little things, pay more attention to detail, and really

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Speaker 1: respect the little things. Quote end quote. Kyler Murray, I

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Speaker 1: think of Rodney Hudson. When I think of that, I

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Speaker 1: think of a guy who's known as a leader, a

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Speaker 1: no nonsense kind of guy, a demanding guy. I think

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Speaker 1: of JJ Watt on the other side of the ball,

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Speaker 1: and I think of Steve Kaiman company trying to bring

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Speaker 1: in that sort of leadership, almost leadership from the inside

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Speaker 1: out that'll set that tone, that expectation, and that standard.

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Speaker 1: And I'm now begging that we're almost out of time

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Speaker 1: because Kyle is ready to unload here and disagree. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think that leadership from Rodney Hudson

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Speaker 1: matters one iota. But I do think that Tennis anyone,

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Speaker 1: when he does get to the line of scrimmage and

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Speaker 1: he can figure out what a defensive blitz, what blitz

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Speaker 1: is coming, or what package they're doing, point out to

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Speaker 1: the rest of the offensive lineman and Kyler Murray what's coming.

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Speaker 1: I think that's humongous. So that's maybe you can put

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Speaker 1: that under leadership. And I also think that because of

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Speaker 1: Kyler Murray's height, the fact that if he can say

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Speaker 1: stout at the point of attack like he's been doing

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Speaker 1: his entire career and not let those defensive tackles push

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Speaker 1: him back, that's big for Kyler Murray's vision where he

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Speaker 1: doesn't have the the center and the defensive tackle coming

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Speaker 1: within a yard of his face or two feet of

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Speaker 1: his face. So I think I think that part of

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Speaker 1: his important too. I think Rodney Hudson is a very

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Speaker 1: integral part of this offensive line, just not the leadership part.

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Speaker 1: That's good, you know what. Thankfully, thankfully we're getting the

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Speaker 1: rap side from Jim Momahundro, so the whole leadership John

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Speaker 1: McEnroe back and forth will have to wait, obviously, So

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Speaker 1: you know because so once again, when Kyle does dismiss

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Speaker 1: leadership entirely, I do go John macrone, you cannot be serious.

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Speaker 1: And that'll do it for Cardinals underground