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Speaker 1: wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, everybody, welcome to another

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Speaker 1: episode of the Buck Sexton Show. We are joined by

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Speaker 1: our friend Pedro Gonzalez. He has an amazing sub stack.

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Speaker 1: You should definitely subscribe. Check it out Contra and he's

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Speaker 1: also a writer a columnist at Chronicles magazine. Pedro, good

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Speaker 1: to have you answer, Buck, so good to be here.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for having me. The Republican Party right now, what

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Speaker 1: does it need in terms of a kick in the

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Speaker 1: going to do. I find myself in a position where

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Speaker 1: if someone were to ask me what is the purpose

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Speaker 1: days I would just have to say, to not be

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Speaker 1: the Democrat Party. What do you think, how's it going? Well?

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Speaker 1: That sounds like a tall order, Buck, don't be the

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Speaker 1: Democrats will? It seems like they're always trying to outflank

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Speaker 1: them to some degree, even when you think the goops

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Speaker 1: making progress and I think it is right, we have

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Speaker 1: to acknowledge progress where it happens and obviously if you

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Speaker 1: follow me on Twitter, I thought it was progress when

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Speaker 1: twenty Republicans stood up to Kevin McCarthy and tried to

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Speaker 1: get concessions out of him that were meaningful. I thought

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Speaker 1: that was progress. But then you check the headlines, you

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Speaker 1: check the stories that are coming out, you know, day

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Speaker 1: after day, and it really just seems like it's revert

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Speaker 1: to the norm, which is, as someone said, the GOP

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Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't think it actually happens on

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Speaker 1: its own. I don't think it's it's you're talking about

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Speaker 1: institutional inertia. If uninterrupted, the GOP just goes in this direction.

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Speaker 1: And ultimately it's up to the base. It's up to

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Speaker 1: the GOP's voters to say no, to do more than

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Speaker 1: just say stand athwart, but to actually change something. And

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Speaker 1: I'll give you one example before you can coming off

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Speaker 1: after the R and C fight, because obviously most Republican

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Speaker 1: don't like Rona Romney McDaniel. You saw a remarkable amount

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Speaker 1: one person in particular, who I think most people can

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Speaker 1: agree has done a lot for the goop. Scott Pressler,

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Speaker 1: who literally travels around the country to sign people up

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Speaker 1: to build infrastructure to basically bypass the R and C

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Speaker 1: and rhetoric useless. And I think that's the kind of

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Speaker 1: attitude that Republican voters need to have. So what does

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Speaker 1: that look like going forward? Who in your mind should

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Speaker 1: the broad team that we could call the right. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's a good question, and it's tough to answer because again,

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Speaker 1: I think we've almost overlooked the shake up that happened

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Speaker 1: I mean, it almost seems like people don't want to

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Speaker 1: taking the country hostage. And this is a really uncomfortable

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Speaker 1: thing to discuss, right because everyone loves MTG. I've defended

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Speaker 1: this really pivotal moment, she's kind of doggedly going after

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Speaker 1: most Republicans can agree that the most interesting things that

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Speaker 1: which is run by Darren Beatty, who is very publicly

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Speaker 1: but they do now. I think one of my frustrations

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Speaker 1: schools meaning our ideology, you know, conservatives, you know, we

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Speaker 1: just want social media companies, you know, just basically be fair,

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Speaker 1: be nice to us, without understanding that the opposition we

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Speaker 1: to them, the demand for fair treatment is really just

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Speaker 1: a demand to be punched in the face slightly less hard. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's right. It's it's like saying, stop hitting me when

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Speaker 1: you're being pummeled that's really what that is. And sometimes

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Speaker 1: it's said more explicit explicitly, and I understand the sentiment

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Speaker 1: behind slogans like the right just wants to be left alone,

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Speaker 1: and you know, like basically that that's I think that's

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Speaker 1: a slogan that you like, the right wants to be

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Speaker 1: left alone like the and the left wants to like,

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Speaker 1: you know, tell us what to do or whatever. I'm

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Speaker 1: sorry to say, but nature hates a vacuum, and in

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Speaker 1: a vacuum, something will fill it. And and if you

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Speaker 1: really think, if your whole worldview revolves around I just

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Speaker 1: to leave you alone. You have to use power, You

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Speaker 1: have to use institutions to protect yourself. And ultimately, again,

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Speaker 1: there is no such thing as neutral institutions. The institutions

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Speaker 1: ever be neutral. Again, this is this is something that

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Speaker 1: we're accustomed to associating with the left, forcing your worldview

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Speaker 1: way that's conducive to human flourishing. Instead of saying I

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Speaker 1: do you think this cognitive dissonance kicks in because or

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Speaker 1: how you were mentioned before Marguerite Taylor Green and the

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Speaker 1: So for all of the pushing and pushing back and

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Speaker 1: everything else, we still have two very establishment GOP figures

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Speaker 1: sure Ron McDaniel has said, you know, she'll spend less

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Speaker 1: speak to the base every you write for the base,

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Speaker 1: and you know, you you speak to them on podcast

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Speaker 1: when you Tucker Show. I speak the base on radio

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Speaker 1: every day. And they get so angry about the establishment,

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Speaker 1: the sellouts and the and the Mitch McConnell's and the

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Speaker 1: And and I mean one one situation that I know

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Speaker 1: this one pretty recently, where Lindsay Graham is in so

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Speaker 1: many he's horrible on immigration, he has never seen a war,

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Speaker 1: he doesn't want other people to fight, and yet he's

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Speaker 1: invited to like tea time at Mara Lago every other

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Speaker 1: they still keep voting this guy in every six years

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Speaker 1: in South Carolina. So, you know, do they want anti

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Speaker 1: they know and trust, do you know what I mean? Yeah, No,

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Speaker 1: I think that's that's a good point. And I think

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Speaker 1: you can't discount because obviously there are there are other

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Speaker 1: to someone like him like this. This stuff happens, and

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Speaker 1: And I thought that was outrageous, and I said my

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Speaker 1: like a false choice. It's like, well, I guess we

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Speaker 1: And so we did have guys like Jady Vance that

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Speaker 1: just catching guys at the border, but people basically removing

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Speaker 1: people from what it sounds like the interior of the

430
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Speaker 1: United States that also essentially collapsed under him, and part

431
00:23:31,137 --> 00:23:34,017
Speaker 1: of it had to do with sanctuary cities. So again,

432
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Speaker 1: you hear this all the time, build the wall, build

433
00:23:37,017 --> 00:23:40,017
Speaker 1: the wall, Okay, and then what yes, and it just

434
00:23:40,017 --> 00:23:43,137
Speaker 1: seems like Republicans are really uncomfortable with going there. But

435
00:23:43,217 --> 00:23:46,137
Speaker 1: you do hear all the time talking about amnesty. I

436
00:23:46,177 --> 00:23:48,817
Speaker 1: mean as late as twenty I mean in twenty nineteen

437
00:23:48,817 --> 00:23:52,657
Speaker 1: there was actually talked about amnesty between Lindsay Graham and

438
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Speaker 1: Jared Kushner. And then I think Lindsay Graham is actually

439
00:23:56,097 --> 00:23:57,937
Speaker 1: a great example of the legal immigration problem as well.

440
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Speaker 1: And I've said this before it I'll say it again.

441
00:24:01,657 --> 00:24:06,017
Speaker 1: In the early days of COVID, Lindsay Graham was pushing

442
00:24:06,857 --> 00:24:09,137
Speaker 1: with the Trump White House to increase the number of

443
00:24:09,337 --> 00:24:12,897
Speaker 1: EB five visas that are available annually by six fifty percent.

444
00:24:12,977 --> 00:24:15,777
Speaker 1: These are visas that are most that mostly go to

445
00:24:15,817 --> 00:24:19,137
Speaker 1: wealthy Chinese investors, and they effectively allow you, they allow

446
00:24:19,177 --> 00:24:21,217
Speaker 1: you to buy a green card, and they're often connected

447
00:24:21,257 --> 00:24:23,817
Speaker 1: to like real estate development scamps in the United States.

448
00:24:25,257 --> 00:24:27,937
Speaker 1: And so the plan was to increase the number of

449
00:24:27,977 --> 00:24:30,377
Speaker 1: those visas that mostly go to the Chinese buy six

450
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Speaker 1: fifty percent while lowering the amount of money it would

451
00:24:33,297 --> 00:24:38,177
Speaker 1: take to buy one, basically making it cheaper to buy America. Right.

452
00:24:38,977 --> 00:24:42,857
Speaker 1: And ironically, it probably died because of the coronavirus, because

453
00:24:42,977 --> 00:24:44,937
Speaker 1: you know, you can't do a visa giveaway for the

454
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Speaker 1: Chinese when you're talking about the chinavirus. Right. But that's

455
00:24:48,177 --> 00:24:50,857
Speaker 1: an example that's that's a legal program. It is legal

456
00:24:50,897 --> 00:24:55,777
Speaker 1: to sell green cards. That's not okay that it completely

457
00:24:55,777 --> 00:24:58,777
Speaker 1: degrades the saliens of citizenship. Well, this is a legal

458
00:24:58,817 --> 00:25:01,297
Speaker 1: immigration problem. You know. This is also where where I

459
00:25:01,337 --> 00:25:05,537
Speaker 1: think there's an unwillingness on the right, never mind among

460
00:25:05,577 --> 00:25:08,577
Speaker 1: Democrats to really speak about I mean, this is this

461
00:25:08,617 --> 00:25:11,297
Speaker 1: is all frame it for. People say, okay, so let's

462
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Speaker 1: talk about immigration. Would America still be or actually it's

463
00:25:16,617 --> 00:25:18,457
Speaker 1: even easier to take a smaller country, like you take

464
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Speaker 1: a country the size of Oh, I don't know, Sweden.

465
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Speaker 1: Let's say, right, Sweden, I think has ten million people

466
00:25:24,977 --> 00:25:26,857
Speaker 1: live in Sweden something like that? Does it's not about right?

467
00:25:28,297 --> 00:25:32,297
Speaker 1: Should should Sweden be concerned about taking in two million

468
00:25:32,337 --> 00:25:36,097
Speaker 1: immigrants from all over the rest of the world. Is

469
00:25:36,137 --> 00:25:38,257
Speaker 1: that something that's okay? And people say yes, that will

470
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Speaker 1: say what about five million? Because that would be easy.

471
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Speaker 1: Sweden's got a why is that a bad thing? And

472
00:25:43,537 --> 00:25:46,097
Speaker 1: people will start to saying, well, you know, there's okay, Well,

473
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Speaker 1: so so there's something there. When you bring up in

474
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Speaker 1: the context of American immigration, is there any even on

475
00:25:52,217 --> 00:25:56,217
Speaker 1: the illegal immigration side? What is the downside of illegal immigration?

476
00:25:56,897 --> 00:25:59,937
Speaker 1: Democrats will say there is none that they won't admit.

477
00:26:00,137 --> 00:26:03,537
Speaker 1: Is there any downside? Is it expensive? Do they commit

478
00:26:03,577 --> 00:26:06,217
Speaker 1: more crimes than native born Americans or anything? If you

479
00:26:06,257 --> 00:26:07,857
Speaker 1: look at it, is there a problem? Does it does

480
00:26:07,857 --> 00:26:11,137
Speaker 1: it strain the public services system? Any? No? They'll say no,

481
00:26:11,457 --> 00:26:13,617
Speaker 1: they do the jobs Americans won't do, and they make

482
00:26:13,697 --> 00:26:15,617
Speaker 1: us all richer and they make us a better country.

483
00:26:16,057 --> 00:26:18,777
Speaker 1: And you say, okay, so then why don't you just

484
00:26:18,897 --> 00:26:23,097
Speaker 1: pass a law that anybody can come here? Like, what's

485
00:26:23,297 --> 00:26:26,057
Speaker 1: if there's no downside? Why do we have immigration laws?

486
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Speaker 1: This is what I always returned to. If no one's

487
00:26:27,737 --> 00:26:30,257
Speaker 1: willing to admit that there can be any problem with

488
00:26:30,577 --> 00:26:33,137
Speaker 1: too many people come into the country at one time

489
00:26:33,417 --> 00:26:37,257
Speaker 1: in you know, and and overwhelming assimilation system, I just

490
00:26:37,297 --> 00:26:39,097
Speaker 1: feel like we have to go back to very basic

491
00:26:39,137 --> 00:26:42,017
Speaker 1: conversations about what is the purpose of an immigration system.

492
00:26:42,097 --> 00:26:44,337
Speaker 1: Isn't it to benefit the people already here, or is

493
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Speaker 1: it just to be the world's you know, soup kitchen

494
00:26:46,657 --> 00:26:50,217
Speaker 1: and welfare award? Yeah? Yeah, Well this goes back to

495
00:26:50,457 --> 00:26:54,377
Speaker 1: the talk that the right needs to have about political

496
00:26:54,417 --> 00:26:58,097
Speaker 1: institutions and whether or not they can they can be neutral.

497
00:26:58,497 --> 00:27:02,817
Speaker 1: And I think that maybe we confuse neutrality with something

498
00:27:02,857 --> 00:27:06,217
Speaker 1: that has to happen before you can even have something

499
00:27:06,217 --> 00:27:08,817
Speaker 1: that resembles neutrality, and that what that is is is

500
00:27:08,817 --> 00:27:12,137
Speaker 1: a basic agreement on the mentals. There's a difference between

501
00:27:12,137 --> 00:27:14,657
Speaker 1: disagreeing on like I don't know, tax rates, you know,

502
00:27:15,657 --> 00:27:18,177
Speaker 1: and there's a difference between that, like we disagree how

503
00:27:18,257 --> 00:27:19,937
Speaker 1: much you know, should be taken out of your paycheck

504
00:27:19,977 --> 00:27:24,217
Speaker 1: to fund social programs and disagreeing on whether or not

505
00:27:24,217 --> 00:27:28,017
Speaker 1: we should have borders, and when people who don't believe

506
00:27:28,137 --> 00:27:30,577
Speaker 1: we should have borders or or much closer to that

507
00:27:30,617 --> 00:27:34,977
Speaker 1: position are are in positions of power. When you have

508
00:27:35,617 --> 00:27:39,217
Speaker 1: you know, people who are actually you know, ideologically pretty

509
00:27:39,457 --> 00:27:45,977
Speaker 1: pretty out there, like Biorchis, it becomes impossible to basically

510
00:27:45,977 --> 00:27:49,657
Speaker 1: have cohesive immigration policy. And that's precisely why. And I

511
00:27:49,657 --> 00:27:52,137
Speaker 1: think the right needs to understand that you can, you

512
00:27:52,177 --> 00:27:57,057
Speaker 1: can have disagreements. Yes, obviously those are healthy, but basically

513
00:27:57,217 --> 00:28:01,337
Speaker 1: America is one country that is actually home to two

514
00:28:01,337 --> 00:28:07,177
Speaker 1: different nations, and it seems like one nation understands that reality,

515
00:28:07,257 --> 00:28:10,697
Speaker 1: the left, which is why they're trying to take control

516
00:28:10,737 --> 00:28:13,337
Speaker 1: of everything and you know, force their worldview on us,

517
00:28:14,057 --> 00:28:16,657
Speaker 1: and the right, which is often kind of either in

518
00:28:16,697 --> 00:28:20,537
Speaker 1: denial of it or just wants to be left alone. Yeah,

519
00:28:20,577 --> 00:28:22,257
Speaker 1: I think that's very I think that's very A student,

520
00:28:22,297 --> 00:28:25,697
Speaker 1: I would just say I'm trying to always tell people

521
00:28:25,777 --> 00:28:30,577
Speaker 1: on our team, broadly speaking, Pedro that while it's worthwhile

522
00:28:31,017 --> 00:28:34,657
Speaker 1: and maybe you could even argue somewhat necessary to just

523
00:28:34,697 --> 00:28:37,737
Speaker 1: always point out that the left engages in, you know,

524
00:28:37,737 --> 00:28:41,497
Speaker 1: their their hypocrites. I mean, the most obvious versions of

525
00:28:41,497 --> 00:28:43,537
Speaker 1: this are, you know, oh they care about climate change,

526
00:28:43,537 --> 00:28:45,217
Speaker 1: but they all fly on private jets, you know. I mean,

527
00:28:45,377 --> 00:28:47,417
Speaker 1: this is this is true in a whole range of issues.

528
00:28:47,617 --> 00:28:49,297
Speaker 1: But what I always try to remind people on the

529
00:28:49,377 --> 00:28:53,817
Speaker 1: right is that the leftist mind isn't troubled by that

530
00:28:54,657 --> 00:28:59,697
Speaker 1: because their feeling is they are better people, they deserve

531
00:28:59,777 --> 00:29:04,017
Speaker 1: to live a better life, and the peasants the every

532
00:29:04,137 --> 00:29:07,937
Speaker 1: day they actually have to do what they're told. And

533
00:29:07,977 --> 00:29:10,897
Speaker 1: so it's fine that there is this strato vacation, it's

534
00:29:10,937 --> 00:29:13,497
Speaker 1: fine that there is this system, you know, in Nancy

535
00:29:13,577 --> 00:29:17,817
Speaker 1: Pelosi doesn't believe that she should have illegal immigrants in

536
00:29:17,897 --> 00:29:21,857
Speaker 1: her neighborhood. The whole point is that other people, you know,

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00:29:21,897 --> 00:29:25,977
Speaker 1: and let's say a lot of non college educated whites

538
00:29:26,017 --> 00:29:30,377
Speaker 1: who are doing you know, more manual labor, they should

539
00:29:30,377 --> 00:29:33,737
Speaker 1: have illegal immigrants in their neighborhoods. And that is fair, right,

540
00:29:33,777 --> 00:29:36,217
Speaker 1: and that that's actually the way the left approaches these things.

541
00:29:36,497 --> 00:29:39,497
Speaker 1: So while while we can point to the hypocrisy all

542
00:29:39,497 --> 00:29:43,857
Speaker 1: the time, they actually view our politics as a spoils

543
00:29:43,897 --> 00:29:46,097
Speaker 1: system and they want to they get to sit atop

544
00:29:46,177 --> 00:29:51,657
Speaker 1: it and feel good about themselves for sacrificing the schools

545
00:29:51,737 --> 00:29:55,257
Speaker 1: or emergency rom axis or you know, whatever crime depending

546
00:29:55,297 --> 00:29:57,017
Speaker 1: on the issue we're talking about. It's not dis immigration,

547
00:29:57,057 --> 00:30:01,457
Speaker 1: it's on everything that they then know that the hypocrisy

548
00:30:01,537 --> 00:30:05,097
Speaker 1: is the point is basically the underlying premise. I think

549
00:30:05,617 --> 00:30:09,137
Speaker 1: pointing out hypocrisy is kind of like indulging in like

550
00:30:09,217 --> 00:30:11,217
Speaker 1: chocolate or something like that. It makes you feel good

551
00:30:11,257 --> 00:30:12,937
Speaker 1: because it makes you feel like you've got the moral

552
00:30:12,977 --> 00:30:16,297
Speaker 1: high ground. And I don't blame people for doing that

553
00:30:16,337 --> 00:30:20,297
Speaker 1: because it's learned right. That's that's what you're taught by by.

554
00:30:20,777 --> 00:30:22,857
Speaker 1: That's that's what the conservative movement has done for so

555
00:30:22,897 --> 00:30:27,577
Speaker 1: long to kind of comfort itself with basically losing gracefully. Um,

556
00:30:28,017 --> 00:30:29,897
Speaker 1: but I think it, like I said before, I think

557
00:30:29,897 --> 00:30:31,577
Speaker 1: instead what we have to do is we have to

558
00:30:31,617 --> 00:30:34,057
Speaker 1: look at the you know, the edifice that the left

559
00:30:34,097 --> 00:30:38,537
Speaker 1: has built, which is I mean, it is hierarchical. And

560
00:30:38,617 --> 00:30:43,737
Speaker 1: like Jordan Peterson once pointed out with the whole Lobster analogy,

561
00:30:44,177 --> 00:30:47,697
Speaker 1: hierarchy is just part of nature, I think. And so

562
00:30:47,737 --> 00:30:50,097
Speaker 1: what the right has to do is to look at

563
00:30:50,137 --> 00:30:52,977
Speaker 1: that and think to itself, we can build a better

564
00:30:53,097 --> 00:30:56,297
Speaker 1: we can build a better America. We can we can

565
00:30:56,337 --> 00:31:00,097
Speaker 1: build a better country for our children than than someone

566
00:31:00,177 --> 00:31:03,217
Speaker 1: like Nancy Pelosi can. And I think that we just

567
00:31:03,257 --> 00:31:05,657
Speaker 1: don't have that because again, the attitude is that the

568
00:31:05,737 --> 00:31:08,817
Speaker 1: left is hypocritical. If we were, if we were in power,

569
00:31:08,897 --> 00:31:11,257
Speaker 1: we would just leave everybody alone own. But I mean

570
00:31:11,297 --> 00:31:14,897
Speaker 1: that's how you get um, you know, drag Queen Story Hour. Yeah,

571
00:31:14,937 --> 00:31:17,537
Speaker 1: that's how you get open borders. Do you think that's

572
00:31:17,537 --> 00:31:19,297
Speaker 1: how you get all of this stuff? Do you think

573
00:31:19,337 --> 00:31:22,737
Speaker 1: that that COVID and the excess is because it really

574
00:31:22,897 --> 00:31:27,337
Speaker 1: was medical authoritarianism. I mean it got completely insane, as

575
00:31:27,377 --> 00:31:29,457
Speaker 1: you and I both know, it went. It went to

576
00:31:29,577 --> 00:31:31,297
Speaker 1: levels beyond in the early days what I thought would

577
00:31:31,337 --> 00:31:34,617
Speaker 1: even be possible, and that people went along with it

578
00:31:34,697 --> 00:31:37,817
Speaker 1: is still to their everlasting shame. And people that promoted

579
00:31:37,817 --> 00:31:40,177
Speaker 1: this stuff demanded this stuff of other individuals, you know,

580
00:31:40,617 --> 00:31:44,257
Speaker 1: mask up between bites, stand in line outside six feet apart.

581
00:31:44,297 --> 00:31:47,217
Speaker 1: I mean, this stuff was all for idiots. Honestly, it

582
00:31:47,297 --> 00:31:49,817
Speaker 1: was idiocy. From the beginning, it was obvious this stuff

583
00:31:49,857 --> 00:31:52,897
Speaker 1: was moronic beyond words. And I still remember going to

584
00:31:53,017 --> 00:31:55,097
Speaker 1: a Whole Foods in New York City at the very peak,

585
00:31:55,137 --> 00:31:57,017
Speaker 1: like March or twenty twenty, and they had all these

586
00:31:57,057 --> 00:32:00,097
Speaker 1: people standing outside. It was really cold, and learned. I

587
00:32:00,217 --> 00:32:01,657
Speaker 1: was like, who thinks that this is going to do

588
00:32:01,697 --> 00:32:03,737
Speaker 1: anything to slow down a virus? I mean, how long

589
00:32:03,737 --> 00:32:05,297
Speaker 1: we're really going to go through the charade anyway? I

590
00:32:05,337 --> 00:32:07,057
Speaker 1: mean I remember going through this process and I have

591
00:32:07,177 --> 00:32:09,537
Speaker 1: like this is for morons. People were happy to do

592
00:32:09,577 --> 00:32:11,737
Speaker 1: it for months, for years. I mean, they just kept

593
00:32:11,737 --> 00:32:15,137
Speaker 1: doing this crap. They were completely and utterly out of

594
00:32:15,137 --> 00:32:18,977
Speaker 1: their minds. But I think that the conservative I don't

595
00:32:18,977 --> 00:32:20,697
Speaker 1: know if fantasy is the right word, but you know,

596
00:32:20,737 --> 00:32:25,097
Speaker 1: conservative utopia had to shift from a world in which

597
00:32:25,417 --> 00:32:29,177
Speaker 1: we could totally minimize the ability of government to do

598
00:32:29,257 --> 00:32:31,617
Speaker 1: anything to you. You know, we're all going to live

599
00:32:31,657 --> 00:32:34,057
Speaker 1: off grid. We're going to live in a cabin somewhere,

600
00:32:34,177 --> 00:32:36,137
Speaker 1: and it's going to be sort of a beautiful, babbling

601
00:32:36,177 --> 00:32:38,297
Speaker 1: brookling buy our house, and you know, they'll be deer

602
00:32:38,337 --> 00:32:40,217
Speaker 1: that we can turn into venison when we shoot them

603
00:32:40,217 --> 00:32:42,657
Speaker 1: with their bonn arrow and you know, we'll have some

604
00:32:42,737 --> 00:32:45,297
Speaker 1: gold that will store on the ground. And that that

605
00:32:45,457 --> 00:32:47,337
Speaker 1: was this for a lot of people, the sense of

606
00:32:47,337 --> 00:32:50,577
Speaker 1: what the perfect America as an American, which the government

607
00:32:50,977 --> 00:32:53,017
Speaker 1: is just leaving your loan to the recognition that that

608
00:32:53,057 --> 00:32:55,337
Speaker 1: would be great, but it is a fantasy, and that

609
00:32:55,377 --> 00:32:57,257
Speaker 1: if you don't have a government that you actually have

610
00:32:57,297 --> 00:32:59,737
Speaker 1: a say in that will protect you from the lunatics.

611
00:33:00,057 --> 00:33:03,297
Speaker 1: The lunatics are gonna make you triple mask while you're

612
00:33:03,297 --> 00:33:06,657
Speaker 1: you know, going to the store every day outside by

613
00:33:06,697 --> 00:33:09,377
Speaker 1: yourself and telling you it's time for vaccine JAB number

614
00:33:09,417 --> 00:33:13,577
Speaker 1: fifteen like that. You know, you got to pick your poison. Yep, No,

615
00:33:13,657 --> 00:33:17,937
Speaker 1: that's right. I think it's just inscapable of, like the

616
00:33:17,977 --> 00:33:22,377
Speaker 1: libertarian mindset of of just you know, abolishing the state

617
00:33:22,457 --> 00:33:25,057
Speaker 1: or whatever. It's like, someone will always there will always

618
00:33:25,057 --> 00:33:28,897
Speaker 1: be hierarchy, someone will always be in charge, and it's

619
00:33:28,937 --> 00:33:31,697
Speaker 1: it's either people that you trust to give them responsibly

620
00:33:32,297 --> 00:33:34,457
Speaker 1: or people that are not capable of doing that, and

621
00:33:34,497 --> 00:33:37,017
Speaker 1: they're going to make your life hell. I think COVID

622
00:33:37,137 --> 00:33:39,577
Speaker 1: was obviously a great example of that. But I mean,

623
00:33:39,857 --> 00:33:43,217
Speaker 1: I guess the more difficult pill to swallow is the

624
00:33:43,217 --> 00:33:45,577
Speaker 1: fact that it wasn't just in blue states Like that's

625
00:33:45,617 --> 00:33:48,577
Speaker 1: that's another kind of um that's another kind of lie

626
00:33:48,617 --> 00:33:50,777
Speaker 1: that we tell ourselves. Right, well, it's a blue state problem.

627
00:33:51,297 --> 00:33:54,497
Speaker 1: I saw videos of of of guys in Texas, you know,

628
00:33:54,577 --> 00:33:59,257
Speaker 1: getting like refusing to shut down bars and then standing

629
00:33:59,257 --> 00:34:02,977
Speaker 1: outside of them to protect them from I don't know,

630
00:34:03,057 --> 00:34:05,577
Speaker 1: like looters or whatever, and you know, like as a

631
00:34:05,657 --> 00:34:09,137
Speaker 1: swat rolls up in an am rap to arrest them,

632
00:34:09,337 --> 00:34:12,697
Speaker 1: you know, in Texas or like today, not today, but

633
00:34:12,777 --> 00:34:15,137
Speaker 1: like more recently, you know, you've got more and more

634
00:34:15,257 --> 00:34:19,337
Speaker 1: like Antifa being armed patrols to protect Drag Queen's Story

635
00:34:19,337 --> 00:34:22,137
Speaker 1: Hour in Texas. Not not like you know, oh it's

636
00:34:22,177 --> 00:34:24,257
Speaker 1: Austin or whatever, Oh it's a city like Dallas. Like no,

637
00:34:24,337 --> 00:34:27,777
Speaker 1: this is like Galveston, read Texas. You've got Antifa doing

638
00:34:27,857 --> 00:34:31,217
Speaker 1: armed patrols making sure that kids can attend Drag Queen

639
00:34:31,297 --> 00:34:37,577
Speaker 1: Story Hour. Because again, if you don't use government, I mean,

640
00:34:37,817 --> 00:34:41,977
Speaker 1: this is what happens. This. I'm trying to avoid language

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Speaker 1: that you know, conservatives find, you know, terrible and sounds

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Speaker 1: like status uh to use a term, but just the

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Speaker 1: reality of it again, Nature abhors a vacuum. Yes, and

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Speaker 1: I I just as you're saying all this, I do

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Speaker 1: start to think that remember the did you ever serie Ghostbusters,

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Speaker 1: the movie Ghostbusters. Yeah, yeah, I remember when Ray and

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Speaker 1: Winston are in the car and they're talking about, you know,

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Speaker 1: judgment and the seeds will turn, sees will boil, and

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Speaker 1: then you know, and the and the sky will be

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Speaker 1: red as blood and all this sort of stuff, and

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Speaker 1: and they're like, they like Judgment day when you're talking

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Speaker 1: about armed Antifa patrols projecting drag queen story art which

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Speaker 1: is specifically adult hairy men dressed as women gyrating their

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Speaker 1: privates in front of small children and being militant about

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Speaker 1: this and how important this is to do. And the

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Speaker 1: Biden administration going along with transgender surgery for adolescence for teenagers,

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Speaker 1: perhaps even younger than that, from Joe Biden from the

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Speaker 1: White House. They call that medical care. Now, that is

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Speaker 1: not some left wing position that the White House can

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Speaker 1: pretend isn't absolutely at Joe Biden's feet. And you have,

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Speaker 1: you know that recent performance at the at the Grammys

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Speaker 1: with I don't know, the you know, the guys sort

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Speaker 1: of the satanic thing. I mean, it don't sort of

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Speaker 1: feel sometimes like the Left is just on a program

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Speaker 1: to destroy everything that is good, wholesome, decent, honest and

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Speaker 1: worthwhile in our society, and to do show with a

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Speaker 1: vicious glee. Yeah. Well, I think this is again maybe

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Speaker 1: another misconception that we have, And you're right, they are

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Speaker 1: destroying things that we find good and true and beautiful,

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Speaker 1: but they're also building something. It's it's the same thing

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Speaker 1: with monuments, right, like, oh, like the left can only

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Speaker 1: that was something that you heard a lot in twenty twenty.

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Speaker 1: I probably said it myself too, like the left can

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Speaker 1: only destroy, but they're actually building something. They replaced the

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Speaker 1: monuments of Thomas Jefferson and Benjamin Franklin and George Washington

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Speaker 1: with monuments of George Floyd. And that that weird sculpture

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Speaker 1: that looks like Cathulu's girlfriend. You know what I'm talking

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Speaker 1: about this, it's this gold sculpture that's been making the rounds.

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Speaker 1: Oh yes, the the the sort of I mean it

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Speaker 1: looks like a demonic woman that they put up in

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Speaker 1: New York right with it. Yeah, yeah, there's a Lovecraft reference,

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Speaker 1: because that's that's the someone described and I thought that's

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Speaker 1: perfect because she has like tentacles for arms. It's just

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Speaker 1: really hideous stuff. But again, they're they're building something. It's

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Speaker 1: hideous to us. It's it's horrifying to us. But they

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Speaker 1: are building something. And again it's it's what happens when

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Speaker 1: you believe that you can just kind of, like you said,

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Speaker 1: you know, move off to go live on Ruby Ridge,

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Speaker 1: and you know, we know how that ends. Yeah. I

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Speaker 1: think that there is Unfortunately, there is no real fence

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Speaker 1: sitting in this in the culture wars and politics in

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Speaker 1: this country now, And at some level I almost think

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Speaker 1: that it's been clarifying Pedro that that Sports, the Arts, Netflix,

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Speaker 1: Amazon Prime, the major studios, Disney, that they have all

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Speaker 1: just come out and shown you, no, we're going to

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Speaker 1: program your kids with insane left wing filth unless you

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Speaker 1: stop us. That's act. You know, you can say, oh,

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Speaker 1: I don't care, and politics makes you depressed than whatever.

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Speaker 1: They're going to do these things unless someone stops them.

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Speaker 1: You can ask them. It's like it's like you said,

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00:38:17,177 --> 00:38:20,617
Speaker 1: you could say, please stop punching me. They won't. You

702
00:38:20,657 --> 00:38:22,457
Speaker 1: can punch back or else they're going to keep doing it.

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00:38:22,537 --> 00:38:26,497
Speaker 1: And I think people have woken up to this. Yeah. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think that people like this that have this kind

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Speaker 1: of imperious mindset, which I think a lot of leftists too.

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Speaker 1: There's no one that they're going to hurt more than

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Speaker 1: people who are unarmed or perceived as kind of defenseless.

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Speaker 1: I recently wrote an article it should be coming out

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Speaker 1: student for the European Conservative about the Spanish Civil War

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Speaker 1: and something that I wrote about was called the Red Terror,

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Speaker 1: and this was this episode where these leftists in Spain

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Speaker 1: started to crack down and basically mass murder members of

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Speaker 1: the clergy, nuns, priests, clerics, I mean, like just civilians

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Speaker 1: who try to protect them and the people that they see,

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Speaker 1: and like the way that they killed these people were

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Speaker 1: just absolutely like you, you wouldn't believe it, Like just

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Speaker 1: horrific ways to execute people in public, in the most

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Speaker 1: sacrilegious like just I mean, this is the problem with

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Speaker 1: the secular lexicon is it doesn't have the words that

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Speaker 1: you need to communicate certain things. And when you read

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Speaker 1: about what the Spanish, they're called the Republicans, which is

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Speaker 1: funny because but when you read about what they did,

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's demonic. But here's the thing is the

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Speaker 1: people that they seem to do the worst things too

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Speaker 1: were those who were defenseless. And I think that's a

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Speaker 1: really important The reason I wrote that that essay, which

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Speaker 1: again should be out soon, is is precisely because I

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Speaker 1: argue there's a lot to learn from this, because the

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00:39:54,937 --> 00:39:59,257
Speaker 1: same mindset that inhabited the minds of the Spanish Republicans.

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Speaker 1: I think it's prevalent everywhere that there is a kind

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Speaker 1: of radical militant left. I know there's some people who

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Speaker 1: think that this is a and I know we're almost

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Speaker 1: at time Pedro, so I want to be mindful of that.

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Speaker 1: But they'll think this is this is going too far,

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Speaker 1: and that's fine. But I believe in anyway that the

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Speaker 1: willingness of people in this country to convince themselves that

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Speaker 1: those who would not go along with, you know, the

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Speaker 1: whole experimental vaccine thing were monsters who were literally putting

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Speaker 1: lives at risk, who were killing people. That is terrifying

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Speaker 1: because if they were willing to believe that on this issue,

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Speaker 1: given all the realities that they should have picked up

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Speaker 1: on that show them this was crazy. I don't think

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Speaker 1: it's I don't think it's the last time that they'll

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Speaker 1: decide people who disagree with them are monsters who are

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Speaker 1: who are killing other people and therefore must be dealt

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Speaker 1: with severely. I mean, I wrote about this my sub

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Speaker 1: steck because there was an article in the Atlantic where

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Speaker 1: some woman was saying, it's time for like a pandemic amnesty.

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Speaker 1: Both sides were really mean to each other. No, no,

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Speaker 1: both sides were not. One side was trying to lock

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Speaker 1: the other side and it's in their house. Was trying

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Speaker 1: to arrest them for not wearing a mask, was forcing that,

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Speaker 1: trying to force them and their children to take vaccines, right,

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Speaker 1: and in that article to make the case that no,

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Speaker 1: these people don't deserve ambassy or such a ridiculous term.

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Speaker 1: Is the fact that you can go back and you

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00:41:26,777 --> 00:41:31,217
Speaker 1: can find articles in like mainstream publications where calumnists are saying,

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Speaker 1: you should laugh at people who die after refusing to

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Speaker 1: get the vaccine. You should laugh at them because they

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Speaker 1: deserve to die for endangering others. So you're, I mean,

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Speaker 1: you're like you said, sometimes it's like, am I going

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00:41:42,977 --> 00:41:45,217
Speaker 1: too far? Like am I am? I? Like losing the plot?

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Speaker 1: But then you go back and you read, like, you know,

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Speaker 1: like a perfectly mainstream publication where some leftist is saying,

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Speaker 1: I'm glad you're dead, and I think it's funny. I'm

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Speaker 1: glad you loved one died because they didn't want to

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Speaker 1: take the vaccine, and I think it's hilarious. I'll never

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Speaker 1: forget that during COVID when and I was somebody who

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Speaker 1: and now to you know, to my regret, I encourage

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Speaker 1: my parents who are elderly and had my dad had

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Speaker 1: you know, co more, you know what, we've been considered

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Speaker 1: co morbidity, so some health issues. I encourage them to

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Speaker 1: get the vaccine. And I just remember whenever my parents,

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Speaker 1: and they've now gotten COVID like three times each, I've

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00:42:19,857 --> 00:42:21,817
Speaker 1: gotten COVID three times, and you know, it's just the

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00:42:21,817 --> 00:42:24,137
Speaker 1: whole thing ends up being such a such a ridiculous

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Speaker 1: first But whenever they got COVID in the early days,

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Speaker 1: my thought was, first, of course, I just want my

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Speaker 1: parents to be fine. But in the back of my head,

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Speaker 1: I was like, I know that if one of my

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Speaker 1: parents were to succumb to COVID, there would be people

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Speaker 1: openly celebrating on Twitter because they're my parents. And and

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Speaker 1: by the way, that would be fine right wing radio hosts,

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Speaker 1: you know, family member dies from COVID, therefore that is

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Speaker 1: a good thing, because he doesn't believe in masking. That

786
00:42:48,697 --> 00:42:51,577
Speaker 1: was the mentality across the board. If you were a Democrat,

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00:42:51,777 --> 00:42:53,937
Speaker 1: that was your party, that was the belief system. I

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00:42:54,017 --> 00:42:56,497
Speaker 1: don't think they've ever been forced to come to grips

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00:42:56,497 --> 00:42:58,697
Speaker 1: with that by the rest of us who have seen

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Speaker 1: what the reality is. Yep, No, it's completely ghoulish. I mean,

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Speaker 1: like there's this this forum on Reddit where they keep

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Speaker 1: I think they came up with what was called the

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00:43:07,737 --> 00:43:11,897
Speaker 1: Herman Kane Award, which they named people that die after

794
00:43:11,977 --> 00:43:14,097
Speaker 1: publicly saying that they don't want a mask or take

795
00:43:14,137 --> 00:43:18,897
Speaker 1: a vaccine, they get their Herman Kane Award. Like and again,

796
00:43:19,017 --> 00:43:22,857
Speaker 1: you can find all these headlines exactly saying what you

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00:43:22,937 --> 00:43:26,377
Speaker 1: just said. You know, conservative radio host who you know

798
00:43:26,697 --> 00:43:30,897
Speaker 1: slammed wearing masks dies of COVID like you could. It's

799
00:43:31,097 --> 00:43:35,337
Speaker 1: headline after headline after headline of these ghoulish celebrations of

800
00:43:35,377 --> 00:43:39,337
Speaker 1: people dying. So no, you're completely right to say that

801
00:43:40,257 --> 00:43:43,897
Speaker 1: the left did it once. There's no reason to believe

802
00:43:43,897 --> 00:43:45,657
Speaker 1: that they won't do it again. There's also no reason

803
00:43:45,697 --> 00:43:47,857
Speaker 1: to believe that they won't be worse about it because

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00:43:47,857 --> 00:43:50,217
Speaker 1: they never apology, because they don't think that they did

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00:43:50,297 --> 00:43:53,377
Speaker 1: anything wrong there. Like you said, there's never been a

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00:43:53,537 --> 00:43:56,137
Speaker 1: kind of reckoning for this. You are that time you

807
00:43:56,137 --> 00:43:59,177
Speaker 1: guys were celebrating every time like your neighbor died because

808
00:43:59,177 --> 00:44:01,497
Speaker 1: they didn't want to wear a mask, No, because it

809
00:44:01,537 --> 00:44:06,377
Speaker 1: was fine. Yeah, I know. This is why I'm I'm

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Speaker 1: I'm a little pessimistic about where the parties and politics

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Speaker 1: are heading in this country right now, but I'm hoping

812
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Speaker 1: I'm wrong, and I can tell you this. It's worth

813
00:44:15,137 --> 00:44:20,137
Speaker 1: your time everybody to subscribe to Pedro's substack contra on substack.

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Speaker 1: Go check it out. Pedro is a fighter and a

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Speaker 1: thinker simultaneously, which is fantastic. Pedro Gonzal appreciate you making

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Speaker 1: the time for me, ma'am. Well, we'll talk to you

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Speaker 1: again soon. Thanks. Book