1 00:00:00,720 --> 00:00:03,560 Speaker 1: You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox 2 00:00:03,600 --> 00:00:07,600 Speaker 1: Sports Radio. What I'm good morning to you A happy Monday, Dan, 3 00:00:07,840 --> 00:00:11,080 Speaker 1: Dan answer off they get ready for football season, selt 4 00:00:11,119 --> 00:00:15,560 Speaker 1: me and Rob Parker in today we'll have a cornucopia 5 00:00:15,920 --> 00:00:21,759 Speaker 1: a plethora. Am oh oh Rob, what's the uh? What's 6 00:00:21,760 --> 00:00:23,479 Speaker 1: that stuff? It smells really good, but it's like a 7 00:00:23,520 --> 00:00:29,640 Speaker 1: mixture of a bunch of sends. Pot pourri, pourri of guests. Uh, 8 00:00:30,800 --> 00:00:34,440 Speaker 1: potpourri left dog. I don't know you're married, you got kids? 9 00:00:35,080 --> 00:00:37,480 Speaker 1: Trying to keep the uh you know, I'm always trying 10 00:00:37,520 --> 00:00:40,480 Speaker 1: to give out some helpful tips. Uh, trying to keep 11 00:00:40,520 --> 00:00:44,879 Speaker 1: the garbage can in the in the uh kitchen? How 12 00:00:44,920 --> 00:00:47,159 Speaker 1: do you keep it fresh and not smelling? You know, 13 00:00:47,200 --> 00:00:48,720 Speaker 1: you're trying to take out the go I take the 14 00:00:48,760 --> 00:00:51,760 Speaker 1: garbage out every time I leave the house every day. 15 00:00:51,840 --> 00:00:54,200 Speaker 1: So I don't like I like that. I don't like 16 00:00:54,280 --> 00:00:55,960 Speaker 1: smells either. That's a that's a good tip. That's a 17 00:00:56,000 --> 00:00:57,800 Speaker 1: pro tip right there. But do you tell what I 18 00:00:57,880 --> 00:01:01,640 Speaker 1: do underneath the bag when you in the can? You 19 00:01:01,640 --> 00:01:04,920 Speaker 1: know those pine cones that they sell normally during Christmas time, 20 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:07,920 Speaker 1: you know that smell really great, like Christmas tree. I 21 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:10,080 Speaker 1: put those on the bottom of my can in the 22 00:01:10,160 --> 00:01:12,559 Speaker 1: bag on top, you know, or on top of it, 23 00:01:13,080 --> 00:01:16,880 Speaker 1: and I keep that to keep the garbage cans smelling fresh. 24 00:01:16,959 --> 00:01:19,040 Speaker 1: And then when those are you know, when the year 25 00:01:19,120 --> 00:01:22,560 Speaker 1: goes on, I'll put air fresheners or any kind of 26 00:01:22,600 --> 00:01:26,120 Speaker 1: thing underneath the bag in the can to keep the 27 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:28,840 Speaker 1: cans smelling fresh. That's a good one. That's a's that's 28 00:01:28,880 --> 00:01:33,120 Speaker 1: a that's a pro tip. Rob Parker pro Tips Parker 29 00:01:33,640 --> 00:01:36,920 Speaker 1: pro Tips at Rob Parker dot com. If you want to, 30 00:01:36,959 --> 00:01:38,920 Speaker 1: if you if if you want more, we gotta we 31 00:01:38,920 --> 00:01:41,039 Speaker 1: got a bunch of things to get to. We can 32 00:01:41,040 --> 00:01:43,520 Speaker 1: do a little Lakers discussion, which we ended last hour 33 00:01:43,600 --> 00:01:47,560 Speaker 1: on I do. I generally do agree like you're the 34 00:01:47,800 --> 00:01:51,520 Speaker 1: risk of a bunch of old dudes, you know, in 35 00:01:51,680 --> 00:01:54,520 Speaker 1: key positions, especially when we're coming off a year where 36 00:01:55,680 --> 00:01:59,280 Speaker 1: seemingly everybody got hurt. Young guys got hurt, Doug right, 37 00:01:59,440 --> 00:02:01,520 Speaker 1: younger guys and the young guys got hurt. Right, So 38 00:02:01,560 --> 00:02:04,840 Speaker 1: if young guys got hurt, you know, the ideas and 39 00:02:04,920 --> 00:02:07,040 Speaker 1: when you have a full season coming up, which we 40 00:02:07,080 --> 00:02:08,720 Speaker 1: do think we'll have a full season this year in 41 00:02:08,720 --> 00:02:12,840 Speaker 1: the NBA, the likelihood is that old guys are going 42 00:02:12,880 --> 00:02:15,120 Speaker 1: to get hurt, and you have a couple of old guys, 43 00:02:15,120 --> 00:02:18,959 Speaker 1: but the Lakers that got hurt just last year. That said, 44 00:02:19,639 --> 00:02:22,000 Speaker 1: you know, like, look, it's it's not any different than 45 00:02:22,040 --> 00:02:24,600 Speaker 1: anything we do in football. If you don't like the Lakers, 46 00:02:24,880 --> 00:02:26,880 Speaker 1: who do you like in the West, Like, oh, I 47 00:02:27,200 --> 00:02:29,399 Speaker 1: don't like the Lakers roster? Like, look, I think there's 48 00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:31,080 Speaker 1: some flaws to it. I think they went from the 49 00:02:31,080 --> 00:02:34,280 Speaker 1: best defensive team two years ago to an offensive juggernaut. 50 00:02:34,280 --> 00:02:37,320 Speaker 1: I think they struggle guards. I think I think they'll 51 00:02:37,320 --> 00:02:41,320 Speaker 1: struggle to guards. Some people that said, like, if you 52 00:02:41,360 --> 00:02:43,520 Speaker 1: don't like the Lakers, who do you like? Well, right, 53 00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:46,160 Speaker 1: but but but this is I didn't pick the Lakers 54 00:02:46,280 --> 00:02:49,000 Speaker 1: last year, Doug. I was on an island. You know, 55 00:02:49,080 --> 00:02:53,120 Speaker 1: I'm that guy because I didn't think Lebron or a 56 00:02:53,280 --> 00:02:55,040 Speaker 1: D was going to be able to stay healthy. So 57 00:02:55,120 --> 00:02:57,639 Speaker 1: I picked the Sons in that series, and obviously a 58 00:02:57,800 --> 00:03:02,880 Speaker 1: D got hurt, and that they advanced, and the Suns 59 00:03:03,680 --> 00:03:05,880 Speaker 1: made it all the way to the NBA Finals. Because 60 00:03:06,040 --> 00:03:09,760 Speaker 1: a D got hurt, there was no Jamal Murray, Kawhi 61 00:03:09,840 --> 00:03:13,959 Speaker 1: Leonard didn't play at all. They were the luckiest team 62 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:16,080 Speaker 1: and they were luckiest team of all times. They were lucky. 63 00:03:16,240 --> 00:03:19,480 Speaker 1: Their whole playoff championship run was Forugh Gazzy, and I 64 00:03:19,560 --> 00:03:21,680 Speaker 1: thought that they were actually gonna win a title because 65 00:03:22,360 --> 00:03:24,720 Speaker 1: going into the finals, Doug, did we know for sure 66 00:03:24,800 --> 00:03:28,280 Speaker 1: Jannis was gonna play after watching that injury, now we had. 67 00:03:28,360 --> 00:03:30,760 Speaker 1: I had no idea. And then when he played game 68 00:03:30,800 --> 00:03:33,160 Speaker 1: one and looked great in Game two or whatever it was, 69 00:03:33,240 --> 00:03:36,440 Speaker 1: I was like, okay. And then when they were down, 70 00:03:36,760 --> 00:03:38,560 Speaker 1: when the Suns were up two all I picked him 71 00:03:38,560 --> 00:03:40,960 Speaker 1: not to win another game after I saw Jannis and 72 00:03:41,040 --> 00:03:43,920 Speaker 1: that he was healthy and playing great, and I didn't 73 00:03:43,960 --> 00:03:46,240 Speaker 1: buy into the Suns. But my point is, and I 74 00:03:46,320 --> 00:03:50,000 Speaker 1: hear what you're saying, But the problem with me saying 75 00:03:50,040 --> 00:03:52,320 Speaker 1: I'm not picking the Lakers is that there are other 76 00:03:52,400 --> 00:03:55,960 Speaker 1: teams that could be healthy, play better and not have 77 00:03:56,080 --> 00:03:59,880 Speaker 1: to rely on Lebron in year nineteen with the potential 78 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:02,200 Speaker 1: of getting hurt. He's been hurt two of the three 79 00:04:02,320 --> 00:04:05,520 Speaker 1: years in LA. The year he wasn't hurt was when 80 00:04:05,800 --> 00:04:08,760 Speaker 1: the pandemic Captain happened, and they have four months off. 81 00:04:09,160 --> 00:04:13,040 Speaker 1: Anthony Davis gets hurt almost every year, Doug, and the 82 00:04:13,160 --> 00:04:15,880 Speaker 1: year he wasn't hurt was the year to have four 83 00:04:15,920 --> 00:04:18,440 Speaker 1: months off because of the pandemic, and they won the 84 00:04:18,520 --> 00:04:22,240 Speaker 1: championship in the Bubble Carmelo Anthony's thirty seven, I could 85 00:04:22,279 --> 00:04:25,719 Speaker 1: just uh Dwight Howard's thirty five. I can go on 86 00:04:25,760 --> 00:04:28,960 Speaker 1: and on and on. Too many things have to go 87 00:04:29,160 --> 00:04:32,400 Speaker 1: right for the Lakers. That's why I will still you 88 00:04:32,440 --> 00:04:35,560 Speaker 1: stidn't answer my question. Oh, I don't know. As Kawhi 89 00:04:35,640 --> 00:04:37,200 Speaker 1: Leonard coming back at the end of the year, I'll 90 00:04:37,200 --> 00:04:39,520 Speaker 1: take the Clippers. I love I love the Clippers, they 91 00:04:39,560 --> 00:04:41,880 Speaker 1: just like I like the Clippers as well. But again, 92 00:04:42,279 --> 00:04:45,559 Speaker 1: you're sitting there telling me that I have questions about 93 00:04:45,560 --> 00:04:50,799 Speaker 1: the Lakers and their health when the primary reason everybody 94 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:53,040 Speaker 1: would like the Clippers would be Kawhi Leonard and he's 95 00:04:53,080 --> 00:04:54,960 Speaker 1: coming off of partially torn ACL We don't know if 96 00:04:54,960 --> 00:04:56,960 Speaker 1: he's gonna play. And Kawhi Leonard's a guy who has 97 00:04:57,000 --> 00:05:01,279 Speaker 1: been shut down, you know, more often than uh. Also, 98 00:05:01,600 --> 00:05:03,960 Speaker 1: I also saw that team get to the Western Conference 99 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:07,040 Speaker 1: Finals for the first time without Kawhi Leonard, and I 100 00:05:07,480 --> 00:05:11,400 Speaker 1: saw them beat the number one seeded Utah Jazz after 101 00:05:11,440 --> 00:05:14,080 Speaker 1: they were down in that series O two. They won 102 00:05:14,160 --> 00:05:18,320 Speaker 1: that series. I saw them fight listen, I'm again, so 103 00:05:18,440 --> 00:05:21,240 Speaker 1: you're saying, I'm gonna pick the fight, pick the Clippers. 104 00:05:21,240 --> 00:05:23,559 Speaker 1: I'm gonna pick the Clippers out of okay, But again, 105 00:05:23,600 --> 00:05:27,800 Speaker 1: that doesn't it doesn't. Actually you're you're you're, by my estimation, 106 00:05:28,279 --> 00:05:30,520 Speaker 1: contradicting your argument, which your argument is a good one 107 00:05:30,560 --> 00:05:34,200 Speaker 1: about about the about the Lakers, which is like, look, Lebron, 108 00:05:34,600 --> 00:05:36,839 Speaker 1: you you don't get less hurt the older you get. 109 00:05:37,040 --> 00:05:39,839 Speaker 1: Anthony Davis is only twenty eight, but he doesn't have 110 00:05:39,839 --> 00:05:41,200 Speaker 1: the body of a twenty eight year old because he 111 00:05:41,200 --> 00:05:45,479 Speaker 1: hadn't taken care of it right. Um, So there's nothing 112 00:05:45,520 --> 00:05:48,600 Speaker 1: about that argument. The problem is that picking the Clippers, 113 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:51,599 Speaker 1: who just got past the second round for the first time, 114 00:05:51,640 --> 00:05:53,640 Speaker 1: and we don't even know if Kawhi is gonna play, 115 00:05:53,720 --> 00:05:56,599 Speaker 1: and they're not going to the Western Conference finals or 116 00:05:56,680 --> 00:05:59,360 Speaker 1: the NBA Finals. They don't have a healthy Kawhi Leonard. Again, 117 00:05:59,600 --> 00:06:01,320 Speaker 1: it's like, look, I like Golden State. I think Golden 118 00:06:01,320 --> 00:06:02,960 Speaker 1: State has a chance to be But but again you're 119 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:07,320 Speaker 1: depending upon Steph Curry who's hurt almost every year, Draymond Green, 120 00:06:07,440 --> 00:06:11,160 Speaker 1: who seems on the other side of the mountain in 121 00:06:11,200 --> 00:06:14,160 Speaker 1: his career, and Clay Thompson who's coming off an acl 122 00:06:14,279 --> 00:06:16,960 Speaker 1: and Achilles tendon. Right, those are the guys. So like 123 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:19,160 Speaker 1: you can tell me, You can tell me that you 124 00:06:19,200 --> 00:06:22,120 Speaker 1: don't love the Lakers because of age, and I would say, like, 125 00:06:22,200 --> 00:06:24,400 Speaker 1: all right, we can make the same argument about the Warriors. 126 00:06:25,760 --> 00:06:28,600 Speaker 1: You know, I do I like the Nuggets, Yes do. 127 00:06:28,640 --> 00:06:31,160 Speaker 1: I think with a healthy Jamal Murray they could be 128 00:06:31,279 --> 00:06:34,080 Speaker 1: the most They would be an incredibly dynamic offensive team. 129 00:06:34,080 --> 00:06:36,039 Speaker 1: I don't know if they're good enough. I don't know. 130 00:06:36,279 --> 00:06:38,279 Speaker 1: You talk, we'll do it. I don't know if Phoenix 131 00:06:38,360 --> 00:06:40,719 Speaker 1: looks like right, so you have all it coming running 132 00:06:40,760 --> 00:06:42,800 Speaker 1: it back. The Lakers were up two games one. That 133 00:06:42,839 --> 00:06:45,560 Speaker 1: series was a rap until they got injuries last last year. 134 00:06:45,680 --> 00:06:49,400 Speaker 1: So I don't hate your argument against the Lakers, but 135 00:06:49,480 --> 00:06:52,360 Speaker 1: this is like any argument. If you're gonna make one, 136 00:06:52,440 --> 00:06:54,240 Speaker 1: then you got If you're gonna take them out and 137 00:06:54,279 --> 00:06:56,000 Speaker 1: say they're not the favorite, I wouldn't pick them, then 138 00:06:56,000 --> 00:06:58,160 Speaker 1: you gotta pick a team. And by picking the Clippers 139 00:06:58,480 --> 00:07:01,120 Speaker 1: it kind of contradicts your argument. No it doesn't, because 140 00:07:01,160 --> 00:07:04,080 Speaker 1: that team without Kawhi Leonard. I just made my point 141 00:07:04,200 --> 00:07:07,280 Speaker 1: is that they were good enough to overcome deficits and 142 00:07:07,320 --> 00:07:10,320 Speaker 1: get to the Western Conference Finals without him. I like 143 00:07:10,480 --> 00:07:13,400 Speaker 1: the Clippers, and I'm not obviously are they gonna win 144 00:07:13,480 --> 00:07:16,720 Speaker 1: without Kawhi Leonard winner Championship? No, that that, But that 145 00:07:16,720 --> 00:07:19,360 Speaker 1: doesn't mean they can't get to the Western Conference Finals. Again, 146 00:07:19,760 --> 00:07:23,360 Speaker 1: if if Lebron or the Clippers on or Lebron or 147 00:07:23,440 --> 00:07:26,280 Speaker 1: a d or somebody's not healthy, could they get by. 148 00:07:26,440 --> 00:07:29,040 Speaker 1: We just saw Phoenix do it. We just saw Phoenix 149 00:07:29,080 --> 00:07:31,720 Speaker 1: get all the way to the finals because people were hurt. 150 00:07:31,920 --> 00:07:35,440 Speaker 1: If the Lakers have one piece dog not right on 151 00:07:35,480 --> 00:07:38,160 Speaker 1: that team, they're not getting there. So I can still 152 00:07:38,160 --> 00:07:41,760 Speaker 1: pick the Clippers. And that's my argument, and my point 153 00:07:42,160 --> 00:07:44,960 Speaker 1: is that the Lakers will not be whole. This is 154 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:49,960 Speaker 1: a desperation move. It's a typical when Lebron gets there, 155 00:07:50,480 --> 00:07:54,160 Speaker 1: throw out the baby with the bathwater because it was 156 00:07:54,200 --> 00:07:57,160 Speaker 1: a better move. What do you mean what was a 157 00:07:57,200 --> 00:08:00,960 Speaker 1: better again? Like, no, we have to deal with no, no, no, no, no, no, listen, 158 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:03,480 Speaker 1: you're you're not. I don't know if it's a desperation move, Okay, 159 00:08:03,520 --> 00:08:05,480 Speaker 1: I think that's that's that's far too strong a term. 160 00:08:05,480 --> 00:08:07,480 Speaker 1: Do they want they want to win? Right? I don't 161 00:08:07,480 --> 00:08:09,640 Speaker 1: know if that desperation they want to win and they 162 00:08:09,640 --> 00:08:12,280 Speaker 1: know Lebron has has like a year or two left it. 163 00:08:13,240 --> 00:08:15,760 Speaker 1: Wait wait, wait, but that's a different Okay. So if 164 00:08:15,800 --> 00:08:18,280 Speaker 1: you don't like the moves, if I were to put 165 00:08:18,320 --> 00:08:21,960 Speaker 1: you in Rob Pelinka's chair, knowing that you have Lebron, 166 00:08:22,360 --> 00:08:25,200 Speaker 1: you have Anthony Davis, you have you had one more 167 00:08:25,240 --> 00:08:29,520 Speaker 1: big contract, okay, and you used it on Russell Ruddy Heal, 168 00:08:29,680 --> 00:08:33,080 Speaker 1: I would take Buddy Hee. He's not sexy Doug, he's 169 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:38,080 Speaker 1: not a Big three, nobody knows who he is ORBA America. 170 00:08:38,320 --> 00:08:41,080 Speaker 1: I'm just talking about, not like Russell Westbrook, who's a 171 00:08:41,120 --> 00:08:46,200 Speaker 1: walking who's who's iconic because of his uh triple doubles 172 00:08:46,559 --> 00:08:49,480 Speaker 1: and and that sounds better, and he's from LA and 173 00:08:49,520 --> 00:08:52,600 Speaker 1: he's a hard he plays hard every night. But I'm 174 00:08:52,640 --> 00:08:55,319 Speaker 1: not so sure without having any three of those guys 175 00:08:55,360 --> 00:08:58,600 Speaker 1: be exceptional shooters, that it's going to work. And this 176 00:08:58,640 --> 00:09:01,800 Speaker 1: man's NBA and that's the problem I have with it, 177 00:09:01,840 --> 00:09:05,320 Speaker 1: and Russell will okay, so it's a great player, Okay. 178 00:09:05,360 --> 00:09:07,520 Speaker 1: So here here would be the counter to that. And 179 00:09:07,720 --> 00:09:12,240 Speaker 1: I've I've asked Laker people, and the counter to that is, 180 00:09:12,280 --> 00:09:14,679 Speaker 1: like nobody does dislikes Buddy Heal is a great dude, 181 00:09:14,720 --> 00:09:19,760 Speaker 1: a great shooter, but they needed another guy to create shots. 182 00:09:20,080 --> 00:09:23,440 Speaker 1: They just Lebron at this stage in his career is 183 00:09:23,480 --> 00:09:25,959 Speaker 1: not nearly the shot creator he used to be. They 184 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:28,880 Speaker 1: needed a guy who could create shots. That's what Russell 185 00:09:28,880 --> 00:09:32,560 Speaker 1: Westbrook does. Additionally, it stands the reason they're not going 186 00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:35,439 Speaker 1: to play all Lady two games. And I love Buddy Healed, 187 00:09:35,720 --> 00:09:38,760 Speaker 1: but if Lebron ain't playing, Buddy Heald ain't winning your games. 188 00:09:39,120 --> 00:09:42,480 Speaker 1: Russell Westbrook is. So do I think that at the 189 00:09:42,640 --> 00:09:45,480 Speaker 1: end of a playoff series his lack of shooting is 190 00:09:45,480 --> 00:09:48,240 Speaker 1: gonna hurt you? I do? Do I think that Russell 191 00:09:48,280 --> 00:09:52,760 Speaker 1: Westbrook isn't nearly the defensive player that people make him 192 00:09:52,760 --> 00:09:54,440 Speaker 1: out to be, not just because of his age and 193 00:09:54,440 --> 00:09:57,360 Speaker 1: four knee surgeries, but like people don't pay attention that 194 00:09:57,440 --> 00:10:00,160 Speaker 1: Russell Westbrook doesn't actually play defense every night. That's it's 195 00:10:00,160 --> 00:10:04,880 Speaker 1: totally fair. But yet everyone like there's no perfect guy 196 00:10:04,960 --> 00:10:07,880 Speaker 1: out there. And you can all love Buddy Healed and 197 00:10:07,920 --> 00:10:10,320 Speaker 1: his ability to space and shoot the basketball. They have 198 00:10:10,400 --> 00:10:13,400 Speaker 1: plenty of shooting on the club and they just thought 199 00:10:13,440 --> 00:10:17,480 Speaker 1: he's a better shot creator as well as like he's 200 00:10:17,760 --> 00:10:21,600 Speaker 1: crazy competitive, which fits with Lebron and his desire to win. 201 00:10:21,679 --> 00:10:23,679 Speaker 1: So that's okay, So you would have taken Buddy and 202 00:10:23,679 --> 00:10:25,640 Speaker 1: stead of them, It's a it's a fair argument because 203 00:10:25,720 --> 00:10:27,600 Speaker 1: the rest of those guys, like, what else do you 204 00:10:27,600 --> 00:10:30,560 Speaker 1: think you're gonna get on the market when you know, 205 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:32,720 Speaker 1: you know, it's like I wanted them to keep Crusoe. 206 00:10:32,760 --> 00:10:35,240 Speaker 1: But if you keep Crusoe now a sudden, you give 207 00:10:35,320 --> 00:10:37,959 Speaker 1: him the entire mid level exception, you can't have all 208 00:10:38,080 --> 00:10:40,520 Speaker 1: the depth of different guys that they've gotten. And they 209 00:10:40,520 --> 00:10:44,880 Speaker 1: do have a pretty deep team of solid dudes. Yeah, 210 00:10:44,920 --> 00:10:49,080 Speaker 1: I mean, I hear your point. It just doesn't feel 211 00:10:49,120 --> 00:10:52,080 Speaker 1: like it's the right mix. And you could be right. 212 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:53,959 Speaker 1: You could say you're picking the Lakers to come out 213 00:10:54,000 --> 00:10:56,520 Speaker 1: of the West, and you might be right. I don't 214 00:10:56,559 --> 00:11:01,880 Speaker 1: feel like that. The issue with that team is and 215 00:11:03,840 --> 00:11:07,520 Speaker 1: I'm completely staying healthy and I just we just saw 216 00:11:07,679 --> 00:11:11,199 Speaker 1: like how many twenty eight year olds and thirty year 217 00:11:11,200 --> 00:11:14,079 Speaker 1: olds who have gone down the injuries. It's unbelievable. They 218 00:11:14,240 --> 00:11:17,319 Speaker 1: barely bumped Kawhi Leonard as he's dribbing the ball up 219 00:11:17,360 --> 00:11:24,800 Speaker 1: court and boom, you know, uh, Kyrie another injury and 220 00:11:24,800 --> 00:11:28,880 Speaker 1: and hardened forty five seconds game, and you know, into 221 00:11:29,480 --> 00:11:32,680 Speaker 1: sheries against Milwaukee, I just I just keep looking around. 222 00:11:32,679 --> 00:11:34,760 Speaker 1: I just couldn't get over how many people were hurt 223 00:11:35,280 --> 00:11:38,280 Speaker 1: and the Lakers time isn't on their side, as the 224 00:11:38,800 --> 00:11:42,319 Speaker 1: Rolling Stones would say, I think that they've set themselves 225 00:11:42,440 --> 00:11:45,080 Speaker 1: up to that. It'll be an excuse at the end 226 00:11:45,080 --> 00:11:47,480 Speaker 1: of the year, will be oh, well, you know, we 227 00:11:47,840 --> 00:11:50,400 Speaker 1: would have been good, but Lebron got hurt, or you know, 228 00:11:50,480 --> 00:11:52,199 Speaker 1: we were gonna win the champ we were gonna win 229 00:11:52,640 --> 00:11:55,839 Speaker 1: roll to the West Conference and the finals, because that's 230 00:11:55,840 --> 00:11:58,320 Speaker 1: what everybody. You said it earlier when they were up 231 00:11:58,320 --> 00:12:01,320 Speaker 1: two to one against the Suns, everybody said, oh, there's 232 00:12:01,360 --> 00:12:03,400 Speaker 1: a clear path, they're going back to the finals. That's 233 00:12:03,400 --> 00:12:06,560 Speaker 1: what everybody said. Well, then the Lakers themselves were laughing 234 00:12:06,600 --> 00:12:09,240 Speaker 1: at the Suns, right remember remember there there back I 235 00:12:09,240 --> 00:12:11,640 Speaker 1: think Lebron was backing down somebody from the Suns. It 236 00:12:11,800 --> 00:12:14,240 Speaker 1: was a joke and Andre Drummond was laughing over there 237 00:12:14,240 --> 00:12:16,200 Speaker 1: because he knew it was a mismatch. No, they that 238 00:12:16,280 --> 00:12:18,280 Speaker 1: was the matchup they wanted. They were better than the 239 00:12:18,280 --> 00:12:21,280 Speaker 1: Suns when they were healthy. The problem was they weren't healthy, 240 00:12:22,040 --> 00:12:24,000 Speaker 1: and the chance that they're not going to be healthy again, 241 00:12:24,080 --> 00:12:27,560 Speaker 1: that's no question. The counter to that would would be that, 242 00:12:28,040 --> 00:12:30,560 Speaker 1: you know, age does not seem to be a limiting 243 00:12:30,600 --> 00:12:33,240 Speaker 1: factor because so many other guys in the in the 244 00:12:33,280 --> 00:12:35,720 Speaker 1: prime age of their career did get hurt. I agree 245 00:12:35,720 --> 00:12:37,920 Speaker 1: with you on the age thing. It's obviously a huge risk. 246 00:12:38,240 --> 00:12:41,080 Speaker 1: I think the defense lack of defense is also a huge, 247 00:12:41,160 --> 00:12:44,240 Speaker 1: huge risk. My problem is finding another team that I 248 00:12:44,320 --> 00:12:47,200 Speaker 1: like better than the Lakers roster if the Lakers roster 249 00:12:47,360 --> 00:12:50,200 Speaker 1: is healthy at the end of the year. Thanks for 250 00:12:50,240 --> 00:12:52,640 Speaker 1: listening to The Dan Patrick Show podcast. Be sure to 251 00:12:52,679 --> 00:12:56,000 Speaker 1: catch us live every weekday morning nine to noon Eastern 252 00:12:56,200 --> 00:12:59,120 Speaker 1: or six to nine Pacific on Fox Sports Radio. Find 253 00:12:59,160 --> 00:13:01,440 Speaker 1: your local station for The Dan Patrick Show at Fox 254 00:13:01,440 --> 00:13:04,480 Speaker 1: Sports Radio dot com, or stream us live every day 255 00:13:04,480 --> 00:13:10,360 Speaker 1: on the iHeartRadio app by searching f s R, Doug Gottlieb, 256 00:13:10,480 --> 00:13:13,760 Speaker 1: Rob Parker, and for Dan and the Dan Netts. Here 257 00:13:13,800 --> 00:13:19,280 Speaker 1: on The Dan Patrick Show on Fox Sports Radio. I think, 258 00:13:20,400 --> 00:13:22,360 Speaker 1: I think here, here's what we do. Robin, and you 259 00:13:22,400 --> 00:13:25,520 Speaker 1: tell me if I'm if I'm off of you disagree obviously, 260 00:13:25,559 --> 00:13:28,000 Speaker 1: you know, I mean, I'm I'm good with you disagree 261 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:32,320 Speaker 1: with me as anything. Um, I think my frustration with 262 00:13:32,360 --> 00:13:36,240 Speaker 1: the rookie quarterback thing is we're in this like all 263 00:13:36,360 --> 00:13:41,120 Speaker 1: or nothing sort of era in sports, where it's it's 264 00:13:41,240 --> 00:13:44,080 Speaker 1: very much like how we choose to discuss politics, were 265 00:13:44,120 --> 00:13:47,040 Speaker 1: either one side or the other, and you get people 266 00:13:47,120 --> 00:13:50,439 Speaker 1: like you just play the kid, just play them. Well's 267 00:13:50,640 --> 00:13:54,800 Speaker 1: it's not everything is bay Everything context matters, like how 268 00:13:54,880 --> 00:13:57,959 Speaker 1: is the team constructed? Is it constructed to win now? 269 00:13:58,160 --> 00:14:00,240 Speaker 1: Do they have a quarterback that they have and can 270 00:14:00,600 --> 00:14:03,439 Speaker 1: continue to win with or do they have a guy 271 00:14:03,480 --> 00:14:06,840 Speaker 1: who's news just a placeholder or do they have nothing? Right? 272 00:14:06,840 --> 00:14:10,280 Speaker 1: Like in Jacksonville you have Gardner Minshew who's obviously going 273 00:14:10,360 --> 00:14:13,120 Speaker 1: to be a competent backup, but you don't you don't 274 00:14:13,120 --> 00:14:16,960 Speaker 1: tank yet. Trevor Lawrence, he's local, he's the number one prospect. 275 00:14:17,040 --> 00:14:19,800 Speaker 1: He's gonna start, end of story, whether it's game one 276 00:14:19,920 --> 00:14:21,320 Speaker 1: or game two or three. But it feels like he's 277 00:14:21,360 --> 00:14:26,240 Speaker 1: gonna start right away, all right. The Garoppolo and Trey 278 00:14:26,320 --> 00:14:30,600 Speaker 1: Lance thing is very very different. The Justin Fields one 279 00:14:30,720 --> 00:14:33,880 Speaker 1: is different, The Mac Jones one is different, Like are 280 00:14:33,920 --> 00:14:37,920 Speaker 1: you always play the kid, always sit the kid? Or 281 00:14:37,960 --> 00:14:41,440 Speaker 1: are you a situation matters sort of guy. I think 282 00:14:41,480 --> 00:14:44,120 Speaker 1: situation matters. What kind of team do you have. Are 283 00:14:44,120 --> 00:14:48,360 Speaker 1: you doing a total rebuild? You know? Are you are 284 00:14:48,360 --> 00:14:52,040 Speaker 1: you poised with veteran players to have a chance to 285 00:14:52,120 --> 00:14:55,160 Speaker 1: make a run. And if you're the forty nine ers 286 00:14:55,160 --> 00:14:59,560 Speaker 1: and you have Garoppolo who's there and got you to 287 00:14:59,640 --> 00:15:03,640 Speaker 1: a super Bowl and has a great record wins loss wise, 288 00:15:04,800 --> 00:15:07,120 Speaker 1: I would rather start with a guy like that. If 289 00:15:07,160 --> 00:15:09,360 Speaker 1: I don't have a guy like that, like like, I 290 00:15:09,360 --> 00:15:11,840 Speaker 1: don't want to give I thought Miami made a mistake 291 00:15:12,400 --> 00:15:17,200 Speaker 1: with Fitzpatrick. We know what fitzpunkin. He always turns into 292 00:15:17,600 --> 00:15:20,840 Speaker 1: He's a fifteen year journeyman. You're not going anywhere with him. 293 00:15:21,200 --> 00:15:23,640 Speaker 1: I would have rather seen Two or just get in 294 00:15:23,680 --> 00:15:27,280 Speaker 1: there and play in that situation where I looked at 295 00:15:27,320 --> 00:15:31,120 Speaker 1: Miami from from that standpoint um last year. But the 296 00:15:31,120 --> 00:15:33,280 Speaker 1: problem with to was the problem with Too was the 297 00:15:33,400 --> 00:15:37,880 Speaker 1: two was coming off a devastating hip injury, and you know, 298 00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:39,840 Speaker 1: he probably he didn't have guys to throw too. He 299 00:15:39,880 --> 00:15:41,640 Speaker 1: probably wasn't right. Now, Look, I don't know if two 300 00:15:41,720 --> 00:15:44,400 Speaker 1: is the guy anyway. If he's if he's nearly as 301 00:15:44,440 --> 00:15:47,520 Speaker 1: good as his reputation, they had a chance to get 302 00:15:47,520 --> 00:15:49,920 Speaker 1: a quarterback in his draft. There was that talk, and 303 00:15:49,960 --> 00:15:53,840 Speaker 1: they went against it. So I'm assuming Miami believes that 304 00:15:53,880 --> 00:15:57,520 Speaker 1: he's their guy. Would you assume that, Doug, I just don't. 305 00:15:57,720 --> 00:15:59,640 Speaker 1: I don't think they felt like they had enough data, right, 306 00:15:59,640 --> 00:16:01,920 Speaker 1: he hadn't giving him a fair shot. They change coordinators, 307 00:16:01,920 --> 00:16:04,840 Speaker 1: They gave him some guys that can get open downfield, right, 308 00:16:04,880 --> 00:16:07,600 Speaker 1: they got him, you know, you go and get a 309 00:16:07,680 --> 00:16:10,200 Speaker 1: Jamar Chase, You go and get what's the cat from 310 00:16:10,280 --> 00:16:13,560 Speaker 1: Houston who's hurt constantly but but can take the top 311 00:16:13,600 --> 00:16:16,200 Speaker 1: off of defense. I'm forgetting they got it at wide receiver, like, 312 00:16:16,760 --> 00:16:18,920 Speaker 1: they got him some dudes to throw too. So now 313 00:16:19,120 --> 00:16:23,760 Speaker 1: now we'll see, Now we'll have enough data. Yes, I mean, 314 00:16:23,840 --> 00:16:26,400 Speaker 1: but people think that they still are interested into Shaun Watson. 315 00:16:26,400 --> 00:16:29,040 Speaker 1: People think that they still this is a make or 316 00:16:29,080 --> 00:16:30,840 Speaker 1: break year for two And I think that'd be fair. 317 00:16:30,960 --> 00:16:34,720 Speaker 1: Like now you give him a better offense and that 318 00:16:34,760 --> 00:16:37,720 Speaker 1: fits him, and a better set of skill position players, 319 00:16:37,720 --> 00:16:39,560 Speaker 1: and you get a better sense of just how good 320 00:16:39,600 --> 00:16:42,360 Speaker 1: he can be. I go ahead, I want to ask 321 00:16:42,360 --> 00:16:45,920 Speaker 1: you one other questions, Kyler Murray. If you remember after 322 00:16:45,960 --> 00:16:50,160 Speaker 1: the Hey O Murray, you remember and Kingsberry went crazy? 323 00:16:50,480 --> 00:16:56,240 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you know, Kyler and and Mahomes can share 324 00:16:56,280 --> 00:16:59,320 Speaker 1: the MVP every other year. You remember all those comments 325 00:16:59,640 --> 00:17:03,000 Speaker 1: and obviously that team peterdal didn't make the playoffs. Is 326 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:05,560 Speaker 1: this a big year in your mind for Kyler Murray 327 00:17:05,560 --> 00:17:08,720 Speaker 1: and where he is and what how do you feel 328 00:17:08,760 --> 00:17:10,600 Speaker 1: about him? Well, Kyler was hurt at the end of 329 00:17:10,680 --> 00:17:12,240 Speaker 1: last year. That was a big That was a big 330 00:17:12,280 --> 00:17:15,119 Speaker 1: reason his production cut off. I think it's a big 331 00:17:15,119 --> 00:17:17,800 Speaker 1: It's a big year for Cliff right, and they've they've 332 00:17:17,840 --> 00:17:20,080 Speaker 1: you know, they've given him plenty of offensive weapons, but 333 00:17:20,080 --> 00:17:23,800 Speaker 1: I don't know if they can stop anybody. Um. I 334 00:17:23,920 --> 00:17:27,160 Speaker 1: like Kyler. I mean, the ball exploits. He's always gonna 335 00:17:27,160 --> 00:17:29,560 Speaker 1: be little, He's always gonna have to make plays kind 336 00:17:29,560 --> 00:17:32,560 Speaker 1: of like Russell Wilson esque right where he's gonna have 337 00:17:32,600 --> 00:17:34,520 Speaker 1: to move, He's gonna have to find the unique windows. 338 00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:38,119 Speaker 1: I'm I'm much more bullish on on Kyler than I 339 00:17:38,160 --> 00:17:42,200 Speaker 1: am maybe on the Cardinals. The Cardinals issues are, you know, 340 00:17:43,119 --> 00:17:46,840 Speaker 1: will they commit to running the football? Can they stop anybody? Basically? 341 00:17:46,960 --> 00:17:50,400 Speaker 1: Can is Cliff building another Texas Tech where they're really 342 00:17:50,440 --> 00:17:52,480 Speaker 1: fun to watch. They put up really good numbers, but 343 00:17:52,560 --> 00:17:55,119 Speaker 1: do they actually watch football games? I think it's bigger 344 00:17:55,160 --> 00:17:58,240 Speaker 1: on Cliff than it is on Kyler. Okay, that's fair 345 00:17:58,359 --> 00:18:01,160 Speaker 1: because you know, it's not often you get run out 346 00:18:01,160 --> 00:18:04,600 Speaker 1: of a place in the college situation and get rewarded 347 00:18:05,240 --> 00:18:09,280 Speaker 1: a NFL job because you had a cup of coffee 348 00:18:09,280 --> 00:18:11,720 Speaker 1: in a sweet role with Sean McVay. So that made 349 00:18:11,800 --> 00:18:13,640 Speaker 1: him mark. I don't think that's I don't I don't 350 00:18:13,640 --> 00:18:17,960 Speaker 1: think that he was. He took the job at US, Yeah, right, don't. 351 00:18:18,160 --> 00:18:19,840 Speaker 1: What do you mean he wasn't up for any NFL 352 00:18:19,960 --> 00:18:22,680 Speaker 1: job He got run out of Texas Tech. I mean 353 00:18:22,840 --> 00:18:27,480 Speaker 1: that that that was uh, that was rubbing because he 354 00:18:27,560 --> 00:18:29,879 Speaker 1: rubbed elbows and they were going, that's not why he 355 00:18:30,160 --> 00:18:32,800 Speaker 1: show at the Bay and oh yeah, let's just go 356 00:18:32,840 --> 00:18:36,520 Speaker 1: after the young court, young coaches and with not that 357 00:18:36,600 --> 00:18:39,840 Speaker 1: great experience, and and and and and go that route. 358 00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:42,560 Speaker 1: I mean that that it became a flavor of the month. 359 00:18:42,760 --> 00:18:46,280 Speaker 1: The NFL's a copycat league, you know that. I do 360 00:18:46,400 --> 00:18:48,199 Speaker 1: know it is, But but it's it's not because of 361 00:18:48,200 --> 00:18:50,439 Speaker 1: Sean McVay. That's not why he got the It was 362 00:18:50,480 --> 00:18:52,760 Speaker 1: not why he got the job. It was he's playing 363 00:18:52,760 --> 00:18:55,920 Speaker 1: in the league. Uh. They wanted it. They to get 364 00:18:56,000 --> 00:18:57,800 Speaker 1: Kyler Murray. You want to get a guy who fits 365 00:18:57,880 --> 00:19:01,080 Speaker 1: Kyler Murray, and he fits Kyler Murray. And look, Cliffs 366 00:19:01,119 --> 00:19:03,840 Speaker 1: smart and he's gonna forever tie his ship to Kyler 367 00:19:03,920 --> 00:19:06,320 Speaker 1: Murray because he's like, look, I'm the guy who knows 368 00:19:06,359 --> 00:19:08,919 Speaker 1: how to make this guy super successful. The question is 369 00:19:08,920 --> 00:19:11,679 Speaker 1: can they build an offense around them that that's I 370 00:19:11,720 --> 00:19:14,800 Speaker 1: mean a defense, excuse me, around that style of play? 371 00:19:14,960 --> 00:19:18,280 Speaker 1: And what's what's interesting about it is is we've had 372 00:19:18,359 --> 00:19:22,439 Speaker 1: so many successful college coaches who haven't worked in the NFL. 373 00:19:22,840 --> 00:19:28,440 Speaker 1: He was not a crazy successful college coach, why can't 374 00:19:28,480 --> 00:19:31,359 Speaker 1: he work in the like? Again, the success in the 375 00:19:31,400 --> 00:19:33,840 Speaker 1: in the excuse me, in college football is not a 376 00:19:34,600 --> 00:19:37,320 Speaker 1: It does not determine your level of success and aptitude 377 00:19:37,400 --> 00:19:39,800 Speaker 1: in the NFL game. So if that's the case, why 378 00:19:39,800 --> 00:19:43,360 Speaker 1: does it matter whether or not he was successful in college. 379 00:19:43,520 --> 00:19:45,720 Speaker 1: It's not that, it's that it's just weird that a 380 00:19:45,800 --> 00:19:49,879 Speaker 1: guy who was who was run out of a place, 381 00:19:50,400 --> 00:19:53,480 Speaker 1: who wasn't up for any head coaching jobs in the NFL, 382 00:19:54,040 --> 00:19:57,840 Speaker 1: who had taken a job at USC right because that 383 00:19:58,000 --> 00:20:01,359 Speaker 1: was the best that was available to him, got rewarded 384 00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:04,359 Speaker 1: with an NFL job. That's all I think we like, 385 00:20:04,359 --> 00:20:06,120 Speaker 1: Look if we're but if we're but if we're fair, 386 00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:09,159 Speaker 1: they went from who should have gotten an opportunity? If 387 00:20:09,280 --> 00:20:12,480 Speaker 1: if we're fair, they went from three three wins, five 388 00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:14,760 Speaker 1: wins in his first year, eight wins last year. There's 389 00:20:14,760 --> 00:20:17,600 Speaker 1: a reasonable progression. It's a very very difficult division to 390 00:20:17,600 --> 00:20:21,320 Speaker 1: win in. But we are crushing Cliff Kingsbury. They're clearly 391 00:20:21,359 --> 00:20:23,840 Speaker 1: better than they were previously. Can they take the next 392 00:20:23,840 --> 00:20:25,639 Speaker 1: step right? The hardest steps you're gonna take in the 393 00:20:25,680 --> 00:20:29,280 Speaker 1: NFL is not to being you know, uh seven and 394 00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:32,399 Speaker 1: nine to nine, and it's can you win the ten games? 395 00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:34,840 Speaker 1: Can you win ten games? Once you won ten games, 396 00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:38,520 Speaker 1: you solidified yourself. I think Cliff Klingonsbury's gonna win ten 397 00:20:38,560 --> 00:20:40,439 Speaker 1: games with the with I do not, I do not, 398 00:20:40,600 --> 00:20:43,640 Speaker 1: there's seventeen games. There's a stronger likelihood. Let's let's ask 399 00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:46,639 Speaker 1: Mike Sando, who joins us. By the way, the Compact 400 00:20:46,720 --> 00:20:49,280 Speaker 1: g LA proves it's not the size of the suv 401 00:20:49,359 --> 00:20:50,600 Speaker 1: in the fight, it's the size of the fight in 402 00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:53,360 Speaker 1: the suv. Learn more about the nimble and ready for 403 00:20:53,400 --> 00:20:57,639 Speaker 1: anything Mercedes Benz Vehicle at MBUSA dot com. Mercedes Ben's 404 00:20:57,640 --> 00:21:00,480 Speaker 1: the best or nothing Mike Sando joins us the football 405 00:21:00,520 --> 00:21:04,720 Speaker 1: GM podas and the originator of the QB tears. Uh. 406 00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:09,119 Speaker 1: We want to get to other stuff. But I he said, 407 00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:14,560 Speaker 1: Rob said, big year for Um, for Kyler Murray. I said, 408 00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:17,040 Speaker 1: I think bigger year for Cliff Kingsbury. But if we're 409 00:21:17,040 --> 00:21:20,240 Speaker 1: fair to Kingsbury took over a terrible team, terrible franchise. 410 00:21:20,600 --> 00:21:22,399 Speaker 1: They won three more games. Usually when you get a 411 00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:24,560 Speaker 1: new when you get a head coaching job, I hate 412 00:21:24,600 --> 00:21:26,840 Speaker 1: to break it to your dog. Usually the team is bad. 413 00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:30,960 Speaker 1: That's why I have a new coach. Yeah, I like, 414 00:21:31,119 --> 00:21:32,960 Speaker 1: I'm gonna pull up a bar stool here, you know. 415 00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:37,359 Speaker 1: So I'm sorry. I'm just saying that not always, yes, 416 00:21:37,480 --> 00:21:41,800 Speaker 1: but not most of the cases. When you get a job, right, 417 00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:44,800 Speaker 1: it's because things didn't work out with the free previous guy. 418 00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:47,000 Speaker 1: That's all I'm saying. So let's not make it like 419 00:21:47,119 --> 00:21:49,240 Speaker 1: it was really bad though. I mean they were really 420 00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:53,280 Speaker 1: historically bad, you know, offensively, and you know they made 421 00:21:53,320 --> 00:21:56,640 Speaker 1: this move to get Kyler Murray, which you know has 422 00:21:56,640 --> 00:22:00,280 Speaker 1: helped them obviously. I think that you know, who is 423 00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:02,879 Speaker 1: it a big year? Four? Well, if Kyler Murray doesn't 424 00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:04,919 Speaker 1: have a big year, Cliff Kingsbury's getting blamed for that, 425 00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:08,800 Speaker 1: correct if you know what I mean. So, I mean, 426 00:22:08,840 --> 00:22:11,560 Speaker 1: for who has the most at stake, it's clearly the coach. 427 00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:13,480 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think anyone's looking at the coach 428 00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:16,640 Speaker 1: going Okay, here's the three things we know Kingsbury does great, right. 429 00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:19,200 Speaker 1: I mean that quarterbacks have to play well and progress 430 00:22:19,359 --> 00:22:22,359 Speaker 1: he and he has and now if it keeps going 431 00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:25,320 Speaker 1: they take another step, everyone's going to be happy. If 432 00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:28,880 Speaker 1: it regresses. I don't think it necessarily means Kingsbury's out, 433 00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:30,880 Speaker 1: but he's the one who's going to feel the heat 434 00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:34,520 Speaker 1: for that. Where is where is Kyler and your quarterback here, 435 00:22:34,560 --> 00:22:38,240 Speaker 1: you're the originator of the quarterback tires. Where is Kyler Murray? 436 00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:41,399 Speaker 1: Udon's in the league? Yeah, Kyler Murray came in towards 437 00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:45,520 Speaker 1: the bottom of the second tier, twelfth overall, and twelfth 438 00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:48,520 Speaker 1: sounds great, but remember Roethlisberger's bailed out of the top ten. 439 00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:52,560 Speaker 1: Breeze and rivers have fallen, so you know it's it's good. 440 00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:57,359 Speaker 1: But he's you know, right behind Matt Ryan, behind Justin 441 00:22:57,400 --> 00:23:00,960 Speaker 1: Herbert already, Dak Prescott, Matt Stafford, Lamar Jackson, or the 442 00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:02,840 Speaker 1: guy who's right ahead of him, So it's a good 443 00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:05,080 Speaker 1: place to be. And as long as he keeps going up. 444 00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:08,919 Speaker 1: Who who do you have out of the new rookie 445 00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:13,600 Speaker 1: quarterbacks at the top, who's the top rookie quarterback coming 446 00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:16,840 Speaker 1: into this season? Well, I don't put rookie quarterbacks in 447 00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:19,320 Speaker 1: the quarterback tiers because so many of the guys I 448 00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:22,640 Speaker 1: talked to fifty people in the league, head coaches, GMS coordinators, 449 00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:24,800 Speaker 1: not all of them study the guys coming out, So 450 00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:27,520 Speaker 1: it just becomes a guessing game where you know you're 451 00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:30,560 Speaker 1: trying to project. I'm I'm intrigued by Trey Lance, not 452 00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:34,119 Speaker 1: just off of what happened yet to night, but just situationally. 453 00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:37,480 Speaker 1: You know, I think I have questions about some of 454 00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:40,280 Speaker 1: the other places right i'man excited about justin Fields, but 455 00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:42,320 Speaker 1: I don't know that Chicago's going to handle that well. 456 00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:43,840 Speaker 1: You know, I don't know that that's going to be 457 00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:45,920 Speaker 1: a great spot to be in with everybody under great 458 00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:48,800 Speaker 1: pressure there and who knows if they're going to build 459 00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:51,640 Speaker 1: it right around them Offensively, I feel like Lance can 460 00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:54,480 Speaker 1: go somewhere where they've got a guy there's not pressure 461 00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:57,040 Speaker 1: right away, but the guys in Garoppolo is going to 462 00:23:57,119 --> 00:23:59,640 Speaker 1: either you know, be injured or not play the whole year, 463 00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:02,080 Speaker 1: and you can put him in with Kyle Shanahan, who 464 00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:04,639 Speaker 1: really I think he is pretty good with an offense 465 00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:06,760 Speaker 1: and knows exactly what they want to be. There's no 466 00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:10,359 Speaker 1: there's no gray there with how it's going to look, 467 00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:14,879 Speaker 1: and that would look like a good situation, you know, 468 00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:17,720 Speaker 1: for me, even if we have higher evaluations on Trevor, 469 00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:21,560 Speaker 1: Lawrence her or whatever is Situationally, the quarterback tears are 470 00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:26,320 Speaker 1: always interesting because the data we have is from last year, 471 00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:31,119 Speaker 1: and one, guys get better, guys get worse, guys get older, 472 00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:35,840 Speaker 1: and we put kind of players around them. We had 473 00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:38,840 Speaker 1: a we we have like an ongoing healthy discussion about 474 00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:43,679 Speaker 1: Matt Stafford with Rob Right. Rob is died in the 475 00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:46,879 Speaker 1: Wool viewer and I would say, kind of fan like 476 00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:49,639 Speaker 1: he's from New York, but because of his time spend Detroit, 477 00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:52,479 Speaker 1: that dude watches every Lions game, right, so he covered 478 00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:55,679 Speaker 1: I covered every Lions game from the start of his career. 479 00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:57,520 Speaker 1: I mean, I've been in I was in Detroit for 480 00:24:57,560 --> 00:25:01,520 Speaker 1: twenty years and I watched the guy. Obviously he's talented, 481 00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:03,560 Speaker 1: has a great arm. I'm not saying he's a bummer 482 00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:07,000 Speaker 1: or anything. But the idea that it was all everybody 483 00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:09,520 Speaker 1: else's fault why they didn't win big games and why 484 00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:12,640 Speaker 1: they never won a division or never won a playoff game. 485 00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:15,040 Speaker 1: I have a hard time buying into that when he 486 00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:18,200 Speaker 1: just had one of his receivers go in first ballot 487 00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:21,440 Speaker 1: as a Hall of Famer. So so I just don't 488 00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:24,080 Speaker 1: believe that the Rams are going to the super Bowl 489 00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:27,840 Speaker 1: with Matt Stafford. Tell me different, Mike, that's he's the 490 00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:32,160 Speaker 1: you know, he's the next coming. I think he's he's 491 00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:34,760 Speaker 1: clearly a Tier two quarterback. Right. If he was a 492 00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:37,760 Speaker 1: Tier one, he would have lifted them up more in 493 00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:40,000 Speaker 1: Detroit a couple of times, right. I mean they had 494 00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:42,200 Speaker 1: three years there that he thinks a starter. He said 495 00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:44,159 Speaker 1: ten years as a starter where he started you know, 496 00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:46,520 Speaker 1: ten or more games. They had three years where they 497 00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:48,400 Speaker 1: were in the top half of the league in kind 498 00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:51,760 Speaker 1: of combined defense, special teams performance, and they won you know, 499 00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:55,359 Speaker 1: ten eleven games those years, but they didn't go beyond that, right, 500 00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:58,280 Speaker 1: And so clearly we can see there's some holes with him, 501 00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:01,080 Speaker 1: and it's still fair to say that the organization has 502 00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:03,640 Speaker 1: held him back. I do think the tier two quarterback 503 00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:07,760 Speaker 1: in a great situation can put up the tier one 504 00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:10,280 Speaker 1: performance we saught with Matt Ryan, and I don't think 505 00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:13,080 Speaker 1: the situation is the same with the Rams. But when 506 00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:16,159 Speaker 1: Matt Ryan had Kyle Shanahan, a good offensive line, you know, 507 00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:20,000 Speaker 1: good skill, he could put together, you know, a really 508 00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:22,199 Speaker 1: nice run. I don't think that Staffords really been in 509 00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:25,159 Speaker 1: that situation where they've had it all the box has checked, right, 510 00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:28,560 Speaker 1: a good offensive line, a good scheme, good weapons all 511 00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:31,400 Speaker 1: at the same time. I think if they did have that, 512 00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:34,280 Speaker 1: he might be able to have that type of a year. 513 00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:37,080 Speaker 1: Two doesn't mean every year, doesn't mean consistently, doesn't mean 514 00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:39,359 Speaker 1: they're going to the super Bowl, But I think that 515 00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:42,080 Speaker 1: he has It's fair to say he has been held back, 516 00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:45,880 Speaker 1: but his limitations have shown why he didn't take them higher. Yeah. 517 00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:48,520 Speaker 1: I mean, like look in the Rams, guys will tell 518 00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:51,280 Speaker 1: you they feel like it's not just the box that 519 00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:53,720 Speaker 1: they checked or whatever it was. He was never in 520 00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:57,960 Speaker 1: a scheme that really allowed what was perfectly suited for 521 00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:00,919 Speaker 1: how he can and wants to play. Well. Well, it's 522 00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:03,040 Speaker 1: funny he has Hall of Fame numbers if you talk 523 00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:05,439 Speaker 1: to people, I mean, he does have all day numbers. 524 00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:08,480 Speaker 1: But but again one more about the game. It's more 525 00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:11,760 Speaker 1: about the scheme in which they play right. You got 526 00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:13,760 Speaker 1: to find the right the right scheme for the right 527 00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:16,960 Speaker 1: right quarterback. And if you look remember the year they 528 00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:19,720 Speaker 1: had that Darryl Bevil offense, and they took the bat 529 00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:20,960 Speaker 1: of his hands a little bit and it was just 530 00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:23,840 Speaker 1: a little bit more, a little bit more of a 531 00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:26,280 Speaker 1: balanced approach right with play action and stuff. I mean, 532 00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:28,840 Speaker 1: I think he probably had one of his best statistical 533 00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:31,080 Speaker 1: years if you probably look at his yards perten and stuff, 534 00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:34,479 Speaker 1: so you probably would see that you probably expect that 535 00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:37,200 Speaker 1: to be. Um, what would happen with the Rams, right, 536 00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:39,080 Speaker 1: It doesn't mean MVP or Super Bowl, but I would 537 00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:41,480 Speaker 1: think it would be the high end of what he's 538 00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:44,560 Speaker 1: done statistically in Detroit would be available to him now, 539 00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:46,760 Speaker 1: I would think, Yeah, the only issue is they lost 540 00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:48,760 Speaker 1: their starting running Rams lost their starting running back for 541 00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:51,080 Speaker 1: the season ever started. We'll see if Darryl Henderson can 542 00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:54,560 Speaker 1: run the football. But excuses for Stafford, this is it. 543 00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:59,040 Speaker 1: We're changing the situation, like this is the greatest off 544 00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:02,440 Speaker 1: season for me because whence oh it was Philly. Okay, 545 00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:04,480 Speaker 1: we'll go do it in a good organization, right, we 546 00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:06,399 Speaker 1: don't want to hear the excuses Detroit. Oh is you 547 00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:10,640 Speaker 1: know Stafford? It was Detroit? Okay, you go with Sean McShay, right, Oh, 548 00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:12,920 Speaker 1: GoF you were propped up by McVey. Okay, let's see 549 00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:17,919 Speaker 1: you in the Troy. I'm with you. What what what? 550 00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:22,680 Speaker 1: What should we expect from Tom Brady? And obviously Robson 551 00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:26,800 Speaker 1: noted Brady hater? Brady hater. I'm just a realist when 552 00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:29,199 Speaker 1: it comes to Tom Brady. Bro you can't call the 553 00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:33,000 Speaker 1: guy who's been a tenable. That's all I'm saying. That's 554 00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:36,560 Speaker 1: all story. Don't know, Okay, Okay, I mean like, look, 555 00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:38,320 Speaker 1: I don't like to throw the word hat around, but 556 00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:40,320 Speaker 1: you're you're a Brady hater. I mean it's okay, Like 557 00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:42,520 Speaker 1: just go like, yeah, I'm a Brady hater. It's fine. 558 00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:47,600 Speaker 1: I'm a reporter. You can't you know, you can't. Don't. Don't. 559 00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:50,640 Speaker 1: Don't do the reporter thing. You're an opinion You're an opinionist. 560 00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:53,680 Speaker 1: You write opinion pieces for for dead Spin, you do 561 00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:55,960 Speaker 1: opinion on radio, you do opinion on TV. You're not 562 00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:58,840 Speaker 1: a reporter. That's not reporting saying you guys, the luckiest 563 00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:00,800 Speaker 1: of all time is not a reporter that's hating on 564 00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:03,200 Speaker 1: the guy who's the most accomplished quarterback. He's the most 565 00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:05,760 Speaker 1: accomplished athlete in the history of modern team. But no 566 00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:08,480 Speaker 1: guests talk ahead Mike, No, no, no. I mean, I'm 567 00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:11,800 Speaker 1: just I get where you're coming from, because if you 568 00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:15,360 Speaker 1: look at um, you know, just like the performance of 569 00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:18,920 Speaker 1: his defenses historically, right, I mean, it's helped him. And 570 00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:21,680 Speaker 1: so when he went into a great situation with the 571 00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:26,680 Speaker 1: defense and the weapons, that said a lot goes into 572 00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:29,840 Speaker 1: winning it all, going all the way. I think that 573 00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:35,200 Speaker 1: is historically significant to You couldn't have just randomly put 574 00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:37,920 Speaker 1: everyone in Tier two on the bucks and they win 575 00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:40,920 Speaker 1: it all. I think that guy, even Peyton Manning laid 576 00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:43,840 Speaker 1: in his career when he wasn't the same. A whole 577 00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:47,840 Speaker 1: building responds to him. There's there's a standard of accountability 578 00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:51,000 Speaker 1: and performance that doesn't exist when they're not there. And 579 00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:54,560 Speaker 1: we saw that with Tampa Bay. You couldn't have just said, well, 580 00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:57,840 Speaker 1: you know what, Matt Stafford's a good quarterback. He said, 581 00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:01,680 Speaker 1: may make the point. Thank you might keep talking you're 582 00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:05,840 Speaker 1: making then I will step talking. Matt Stafford's going to 583 00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:08,440 Speaker 1: win the punt pass and kick competition, yes, or the 584 00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:11,800 Speaker 1: Pro Bowl Tom Tom Brady wins the game over Brady, 585 00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:14,120 Speaker 1: but and Brady almost lost the game in the playoffs. 586 00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:17,680 Speaker 1: I'm not saying he's perfect, yes, but your team responds 587 00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:20,760 Speaker 1: to the tier one the true tier one guy. Okay, 588 00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:23,840 Speaker 1: And I think we saw he brings to the table 589 00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:27,720 Speaker 1: something there that goes beyond the fact that he needs 590 00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:29,400 Speaker 1: a little bit more of a run game now or 591 00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:31,560 Speaker 1: he has to have a good defense. We get that, 592 00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:34,200 Speaker 1: but you have to give him credit for the other thing, 593 00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:36,840 Speaker 1: which is they're not even on the map and they 594 00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:39,600 Speaker 1: win it all. Dan Marino can play twenty years and 595 00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:42,440 Speaker 1: be with Don Shoa never win one. If here, here's 596 00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:46,000 Speaker 1: win one, here's the here's the here he'll let me, 597 00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:47,800 Speaker 1: I Rob, I promise I will give you time. But 598 00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:51,440 Speaker 1: but here's again, it contradicts your argument. Right, Your argument 599 00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:54,120 Speaker 1: about Stafford is he doesn't win. Well, I got the 600 00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:56,760 Speaker 1: guy who wins. He's he's the wolf, right, Oh, you 601 00:30:56,840 --> 00:30:58,480 Speaker 1: got the wolf. That's all you need to say. The 602 00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:01,520 Speaker 1: Green Bay Games the perfect Indian Rob. You'll tell me 603 00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:04,360 Speaker 1: he had three second half turnovers and you're right. Okay, 604 00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:08,280 Speaker 1: But but the first drive of the game, Okay, they 605 00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:10,040 Speaker 1: get the ball, they marched down the field, they score 606 00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:13,880 Speaker 1: a touchdown, like that's Thomas Patrick Edward Brady the second okay, 607 00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:17,400 Speaker 1: And it makes everybody and everybody in that sideline going like, oh, 608 00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:20,200 Speaker 1: we got Tom Brady. We're good. You're playing from ahead. 609 00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:21,800 Speaker 1: He makes the throw at the end of the first 610 00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:24,880 Speaker 1: half an absolute dime and he he got. But that's 611 00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:28,960 Speaker 1: a terrible defensive call that the defensive coordinated cost him 612 00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:34,320 Speaker 1: his job. You're not wrong, but Tom Brady made the throw. 613 00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:38,080 Speaker 1: Tom Brady made the throw. You can't play that defense 614 00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:41,800 Speaker 1: against anybody. I don't know again, but your boin is, 615 00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:44,280 Speaker 1: you're not wrong. But he made this. He made the read, 616 00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:46,720 Speaker 1: he made the throw. They made the catch, and he 617 00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:48,640 Speaker 1: gave that. He gave them. When they go in that 618 00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:51,040 Speaker 1: locker room, they're like, we're good. He didn't play good 619 00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:53,600 Speaker 1: the second half, but the defense won the game. And 620 00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:56,840 Speaker 1: and that and that hasn't carry Billins Drew Brees couldn't 621 00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:59,960 Speaker 1: throw the ball through three picks. He had a two 622 00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:05,400 Speaker 1: terrible game will help them win. Also, the defense against 623 00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:08,840 Speaker 1: uh Mahomes in the Super Bowl. Mahomes is held to 624 00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:11,920 Speaker 1: no points. Uh and you and you brought it up Mike. 625 00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:15,480 Speaker 1: Look at his wins as you go forward, as you 626 00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:19,800 Speaker 1: look at his career and what those defenses did during 627 00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:23,040 Speaker 1: the Tom Brady era, the greatest show on turf. The 628 00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:26,200 Speaker 1: Rams will held to thirteen points. Go look at it. 629 00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:29,240 Speaker 1: They demolished everybody. It's true. But you know, one of 630 00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:31,120 Speaker 1: the things that I do have done over the years 631 00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:34,960 Speaker 1: and looking at quarterbacks is um, they all win ninety 632 00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:37,160 Speaker 1: percent of their games when the other team doesn't score much. 633 00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:38,400 Speaker 1: You know what I mean? If you take if you 634 00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:40,760 Speaker 1: just look at all the games when everyone's under seventeen points, 635 00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:43,880 Speaker 1: it's it's Alex Smith's the same as Brady. Right if 636 00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:45,959 Speaker 1: you look, though, I did look at games where like 637 00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:48,600 Speaker 1: you know, the other teams scoring over twenty four, twenty five, 638 00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:50,880 Speaker 1: and like the best record was Brady. You know, take 639 00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:53,760 Speaker 1: that thing. You have to give him some credit to that. 640 00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:56,360 Speaker 1: He has been able to win those other types of 641 00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:58,680 Speaker 1: games as well. He just hasn't had to be in 642 00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:01,760 Speaker 1: those situations as consider deftantly as somebody like Drew Brees 643 00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:05,200 Speaker 1: who had historically bad defenses for multiple years probably wasted 644 00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:07,320 Speaker 1: some of his window and Aaron Rodgers, who if it's 645 00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:10,280 Speaker 1: not the special teams, the defense there's something coming up, 646 00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:14,800 Speaker 1: and having at least a defense that is never terrible. 647 00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:17,360 Speaker 1: It's never He's never really been on a team, but 648 00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:19,840 Speaker 1: it had just terrible defense all the time. It'd be 649 00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:23,880 Speaker 1: rare that really, that really does make it harder and 650 00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:27,600 Speaker 1: stop you from going all the way. Yeah, one real quick, 651 00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:30,640 Speaker 1: we got less than a minute, just Aaron Rodgers. What 652 00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:32,520 Speaker 1: do you expect? I mean, he put on he had 653 00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:37,160 Speaker 1: an unbelievable season at thirty seven last year MVP obviously, 654 00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:40,280 Speaker 1: is there any chance he can repeat that or are 655 00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:44,280 Speaker 1: we going to get a cutweight? Aaron Rodgers. I think 656 00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:45,880 Speaker 1: he should be good again, you know. I mean I 657 00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:47,880 Speaker 1: think that being in the same offense again, they didn't 658 00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:49,720 Speaker 1: lose a bunch of players. Now, is it going to 659 00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:51,400 Speaker 1: go off the rails because he's going to be making 660 00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:54,040 Speaker 1: general You're gonna be executive of the year, making general 661 00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:56,840 Speaker 1: managers suggestions. I mean, I think that has a potential 662 00:33:56,880 --> 00:33:58,800 Speaker 1: to be distracting. But I think when it comes down 663 00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:01,440 Speaker 1: to it, he's still everything and can do it. And 664 00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:03,400 Speaker 1: I think he's going to be good and probably won't 665 00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:06,200 Speaker 1: win the MVP, because let's face it, that's hard to do. 666 00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:07,840 Speaker 1: But I think he hasn't had a really good season. 667 00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:11,759 Speaker 1: Great stuff, Mike. 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Yeah, it's it's always interesting to me. Rob. 694 00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:50,880 Speaker 1: It's like, um, look the TBO thing that Tim Tebow 695 00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:53,680 Speaker 1: is trending. There's videos of him attempting to block and 696 00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:58,319 Speaker 1: it's it's it's worse than than you can probably imagine it. 697 00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:01,440 Speaker 1: It's bad, but it's interesting, Like how many times do 698 00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:04,799 Speaker 1: we have people trying to tell us when he was 699 00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:07,759 Speaker 1: struggling to be a quarterback, Oh, I just move him 700 00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:11,239 Speaker 1: to tight end? Yeah you know, you know that's it 701 00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:13,799 Speaker 1: make him like, there's a reason you didn't move him 702 00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:15,880 Speaker 1: to tight end. Reason he didn't want to move to 703 00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:18,759 Speaker 1: tight end is he didn't think he could do it. 704 00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:23,879 Speaker 1: It's really really really difficult, really difficult, and and he's 705 00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:26,479 Speaker 1: not particularly big for a tight end at six foot 706 00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:30,440 Speaker 1: two he's not big. Those guys are mammoth guys. M 707 00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:35,359 Speaker 1: But you know, now, it's like, all right, the videos out, 708 00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:38,040 Speaker 1: you probably got to pull the rip cord at some 709 00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:42,200 Speaker 1: point in the very near future, don't you. Yeah, I do. 710 00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:47,680 Speaker 1: I do think so from the standpoint of it's not 711 00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:50,560 Speaker 1: good enough, you know, like, you can't if you want 712 00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:52,719 Speaker 1: him to be around, and he's a great, raw, raw 713 00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:55,000 Speaker 1: guy and all that, to make him an assistant coach, 714 00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:58,080 Speaker 1: give him a coaching job and have him around or whatever. 715 00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:01,360 Speaker 1: But you can't fake the funk. You can't do it, 716 00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:05,400 Speaker 1: especially with players, you know what I mean, Like players 717 00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:08,400 Speaker 1: won't respect that. If for guys on the team, Doug 718 00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:11,240 Speaker 1: who doesn't deserve to be there, you know that you've coached, 719 00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:14,080 Speaker 1: but he's not. But he's also not on the team, right, Like, 720 00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:16,120 Speaker 1: let's just he's not on the team. He's not the 721 00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:18,719 Speaker 1: only one who's in camp who's not gonna be good enough. 722 00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:21,799 Speaker 1: You know that. It's it's in how you handle it. 723 00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:23,600 Speaker 1: I had no problem with him, get him, giving him 724 00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:27,600 Speaker 1: a shot, Oh I did. I thought that was a 725 00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:30,280 Speaker 1: thirty four year old trying to play a new position 726 00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:32,960 Speaker 1: who hadn't been in the league for ten years. Just 727 00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:36,160 Speaker 1: wasn't warranted. And you could tell me that, oh, well, 728 00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:39,040 Speaker 1: urban Meyer one of his former players. They are probably 729 00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:42,000 Speaker 1: way more or other guys who were who were played 730 00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:44,600 Speaker 1: tight end for urban Meyer over the years, who were 731 00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:46,879 Speaker 1: looking for an opportunity to get in the NFL as well, 732 00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:49,520 Speaker 1: and there was no room at the end for those guys. 733 00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:52,120 Speaker 1: I have an issue with it. I think it's a 734 00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:55,160 Speaker 1: it's you know, I've told you this before. There's a 735 00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:58,560 Speaker 1: white privileged thing out there with team ball. I'm not 736 00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:02,520 Speaker 1: stopping or whatever you want bid. It's just not ridiculous. 737 00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:05,600 Speaker 1: Rob Rob, he gotta, he gotta he got a roster 738 00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:08,560 Speaker 1: spot with the Mets, whom he hadn't played baseball. The 739 00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:11,440 Speaker 1: roster he did, he was in a minor league roster 740 00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:14,680 Speaker 1: he that he didn't deserve. They've done nothing but bend 741 00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:17,080 Speaker 1: over backwards for this guy. Stop it. But but what 742 00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:19,319 Speaker 1: does what does he have to do with the mean 743 00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:22,359 Speaker 1: white because I don't I don't see those opportunities if 744 00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:25,960 Speaker 1: a blank out of here paytasted everything going on? Listen, listen, 745 00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:30,839 Speaker 1: rob Rob. Jamis Winston was accused of sexual assault when 746 00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:33,840 Speaker 1: when he was at Florida State Right sex sexual assault 747 00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:36,319 Speaker 1: and and look it should be pointed out that three 748 00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:40,279 Speaker 1: different times, whether it was title nine or the fact 749 00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:43,440 Speaker 1: that it wasn't he wasn't actually charged like he was 750 00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:47,120 Speaker 1: never charged with the crime. Hey and Jamis and Jamis 751 00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:49,880 Speaker 1: Winston was still the number one overall pick. Why because 752 00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:54,800 Speaker 1: he had talent? Because he was a great tim What talent? 753 00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:57,239 Speaker 1: What are we seeing, Doug? He give it to He 754 00:38:57,280 --> 00:38:59,840 Speaker 1: couldn't make it in the NFL. He he beat the 755 00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:03,719 Speaker 1: Pittsburgh Steelers and they couldn't get rid of them fast enough. 756 00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:06,480 Speaker 1: He couldn't. I didn't. I didn't think he was. He 757 00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:09,239 Speaker 1: was a good good enough quarterback either he did. Was 758 00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:12,239 Speaker 1: he in the league because he won football game? Somebody 759 00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:14,759 Speaker 1: drafted him in the first round? Okay, and then he 760 00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:17,759 Speaker 1: got to play? Makes him his job? That cost him 761 00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:20,439 Speaker 1: his job as well, josh Uth Daniels, Yes, yes, yes 762 00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:22,279 Speaker 1: he's not. He's not, but he's not the he's not 763 00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:24,640 Speaker 1: the first first round bus to cost the quarter cost 764 00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:26,960 Speaker 1: to coach his job? Again, what does it have to 765 00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:28,880 Speaker 1: do with him? Mean white? What does that do with 766 00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:34,080 Speaker 1: mean white? I just what does black guy? Give me? 767 00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:37,000 Speaker 1: An example? Dog of a black guy who hadn't been 768 00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:39,640 Speaker 1: in the NFL for ten years? Who didn't play the 769 00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:43,160 Speaker 1: position ever in his life, who was given a roster 770 00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:46,680 Speaker 1: spot when he wasn't. Giving a roster's name gives not 771 00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:49,480 Speaker 1: giving a record team Now you know he's not on 772 00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:52,280 Speaker 1: the team. On the team, yes, no, he's not game. 773 00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:56,160 Speaker 1: How can you possibly cover the rofessional sports? As long 774 00:39:56,239 --> 00:39:59,640 Speaker 1: as you cover by You can't give me a guy, Doug. 775 00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:02,000 Speaker 1: What does it have to do with him or white? 776 00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:05,279 Speaker 1: Give me a black? Nothing? You had, no you had 777 00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:08,279 Speaker 1: you had in the league for this stupid No, this 778 00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:13,160 Speaker 1: is a stupid argument. I'm wanting one guy he won name. 779 00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:16,439 Speaker 1: Hold on a second, but again, you still have no idea. 780 00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:18,520 Speaker 1: What has to do with the name white? He urban 781 00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:20,640 Speaker 1: Meyer name? Are you gonna let me finish? You just 782 00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:23,960 Speaker 1: gonna yell and scream. You're making a stupid argument. Okay, 783 00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:27,440 Speaker 1: he won two national championships with Urban Meyer. He's from Jacksonville, 784 00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:29,600 Speaker 1: he's a local legend. It doesn't have to do with 785 00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:33,319 Speaker 1: him being white. He killed play and he'll get lay 786 00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:35,799 Speaker 1: and he'll get cut. That's what Guys that can't play 787 00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:38,040 Speaker 1: get cut. There's plenty of guys that can't play. No, no, 788 00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:41,120 Speaker 1: hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. You you 789 00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:43,360 Speaker 1: want to really know what the truth is. Cam Newton 790 00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:45,919 Speaker 1: can't play football. Okay, he sucked last year. You can't 791 00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:52,720 Speaker 1: throw a football. Compare to Tim Tebow, let Kim Newton. 792 00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:56,759 Speaker 1: They don't even deserve to be in the same sentence. 793 00:40:57,080 --> 00:41:01,320 Speaker 1: You have some nerve to use Cam Newton, who's been injured, 794 00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:04,200 Speaker 1: who had COVID last year, and put him in the 795 00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:08,399 Speaker 1: same sentence with Tim Tebow. How dare you, Doug? They 796 00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:10,840 Speaker 1: don't go together, Yes they do. And let me explode. 797 00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:14,200 Speaker 1: And why if you'd stop screaming and listen, let me explain. 798 00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:16,400 Speaker 1: Why can Cam Newton play quarterback in the NFL with 799 00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:18,759 Speaker 1: anybody else who threw for less than one hundred yards 800 00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:21,880 Speaker 1: and in I think four or five different games be 801 00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:24,720 Speaker 1: in the in the NFL like his own. The coach 802 00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:28,239 Speaker 1: that he won with Kay in Washington has brought in 803 00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:31,000 Speaker 1: five different quarterbacks. Had the chance to get Cam Newton free. 804 00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:33,160 Speaker 1: Did he bring in Cam Newton? No, Kay, Brandon Bean 805 00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:35,239 Speaker 1: was with him in Carolina. Did they bring him into 806 00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:38,319 Speaker 1: even the backup? They brought in Mitchell Trubisky instead to 807 00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:41,360 Speaker 1: be the backup in Buffalo. Like the dude can't the 808 00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:44,839 Speaker 1: dude can't play. But because of his reputation because of 809 00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:48,799 Speaker 1: his leadership. Cam Newton's getting big about job because he's black. 810 00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:50,680 Speaker 1: Is that what you're Seana tell me? No, I don't 811 00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:53,000 Speaker 1: think so, that's what I'm asking. No, it's because of 812 00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:55,400 Speaker 1: his past success and because of his reputation in the 813 00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:58,279 Speaker 1: locker room. Why because people won't get an opportunity when 814 00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:02,800 Speaker 1: he has had all Harold's success He never even played 815 00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:08,719 Speaker 1: tight end dogs. But again, you have no what is that? 816 00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:12,120 Speaker 1: How give me the monarchrum of proof that has anything 817 00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:14,840 Speaker 1: to do with him being white? I'll wait, you can't. 818 00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:17,480 Speaker 1: You have nothing. That's the stupid argument. It hurts your 819 00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:20,640 Speaker 1: argument in our jarget of privilege exists in this country 820 00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:22,960 Speaker 1: where guys get a benefit of a doubt or get 821 00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:24,680 Speaker 1: the benefit of the doubt. But because he was a 822 00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:28,879 Speaker 1: great he's arguably hold on, I'm gonna talk now because 823 00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:31,280 Speaker 1: I'm done with being screamed at and told he's arguably 824 00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:33,680 Speaker 1: the greatest college quarterback in the history of the sport. 825 00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:37,160 Speaker 1: For Urban Meyer, urban Meyer gets a job, excuse me, 826 00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:39,879 Speaker 1: he begs him for a chance, and a Remyer throws 827 00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:41,920 Speaker 1: him out there, then he's gonna get cut. That's not 828 00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:44,680 Speaker 1: because a white privilege that's because of the privilege of 829 00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:47,400 Speaker 1: the success that he had in college. And by the way, 830 00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:49,840 Speaker 1: I thought he sucked at quarterback with the Denver Broncos, 831 00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:52,200 Speaker 1: but Jone he did. He won a damn playoff game. 832 00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:55,320 Speaker 1: Something you hold against Matt Stafford. Okay, the guy finds 833 00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:58,680 Speaker 1: a way. The guy is an incredible, inspirational human being. 834 00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:01,960 Speaker 1: I'm not in all of him. I wouldn't have hired him, okay, 835 00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:03,920 Speaker 1: but I also did him. I wasn't in the locker 836 00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:06,560 Speaker 1: room when he rallied the troops against Old Missing Out 837 00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:09,040 Speaker 1: has a statue out front at the University of Florida. 838 00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:11,960 Speaker 1: He's Rob Parker. I'm Doug Gottlieb. This to Dan Patrick 839 00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:12,279 Speaker 1: Show