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Speaker 2: I remember hearing from somebody who's pretty reliable that something

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Speaker 1: Is that standard, by the way to do that.

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Speaker 2: This was a case that garnered international attention, so I

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Speaker 2: we just started scouring around and I started texting people

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Speaker 2: and I thought to myself, who's this. This is a

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Speaker 3: This is the Idaho Massacre a production of KT Studios

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Speaker 3: and iHeartRadio, Episode two, The Face of Fear. I'm Courtney Armstrong,

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Speaker 3: a television producer at KAT Studios with Stephanie Lydecker, Jeff Shane,

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Speaker 3: and Connor Powell.

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Speaker 1: This morning authorities putting a face to the fear.

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Speaker 3: On Thursday, January fifth, twenty twenty three, University of Idaho

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Speaker 3: murder suspect Brian Coberger made his first appearance in Idaho

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Speaker 3: since his arrest the day before. The twenty eight year

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Speaker 3: old criminology PhD student was extradited from his hometown in Albertsville, Pennsylvania.

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Speaker 4: How Too, alleged that you committed the felony offs of

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Speaker 4: murder in the first degree calprie a murder in the

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Speaker 3: After the four charges of first degree murder were read, Coburger,

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Speaker 4: The maximum penalty for this offense, if you plead guilty

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Speaker 5: Do you understand?

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Speaker 3: Coberger's defense attorney, Anne Taylor, requested bail for her client.

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Speaker 3: Leida County Magistrate Megan Marshall rejected the request. Coburger was

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Speaker 3: led away to his prison cell. But who is Brian Coberger?

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Speaker 3: How did a little known, mild mannered graduate student become

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Speaker 3: the only criminal suspect in a quadruple homicide? And if

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Speaker 3: he is the murderer, why would someone who profess to

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Speaker 3: want a career catching criminals become one. When police storm

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Speaker 3: Brian Coberger's family home in the early hours of December thirtieth,

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Speaker 3: the sleepy community of Indian Mountain Lake Estates in Albertsville, Pennsylvania,

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Speaker 3: Kaihlei Gonsalvus, Madison Mogan, Xana Kernodle, and Ethan chapin An.

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Speaker 6: Indian Mountain Lake is billed as a Pocoo resort community,

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Speaker 6: and that's also a private gated community. And not all

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Speaker 3: That's Rod Divine speaking to producer Jeff Shane. Rod Divine

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Speaker 3: is a nationally known licensed private detective. His firm is

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Speaker 3: Divine Intervention Detective Services and has offices in Allentown, Pennsylvania,

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Speaker 3: which is about forty minutes from Brian Coberger's parents'.

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Speaker 7: Home build themselves as a Polkado resort.

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Speaker 6: But it's not you know, we're not talking about a

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Speaker 6: It's a standard neighborhood, absolutely, And if you go another

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Speaker 6: That's very real, you know, And that's not too far

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Speaker 7: And it's not deep in a rural wooded area.

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Speaker 6: You wouldn't look twice about it if you're walking in

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Speaker 6: There's no one that wears that hat that says, you know,

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Speaker 7: You just don't know.

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Speaker 3: If Brian Coberger is the killer behind the gruesome Idaho murders.

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Speaker 8: Twenty eight year old Brian Coburger is a criminology student

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Speaker 9: Of evidence if in fact, what Brian Coburger is accused

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Speaker 8: For years, the Coburger has lived in Effort, Pennsylvania, a

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Speaker 9: According to the people we spoke to, the Coburgers lived

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Speaker 10: He was definitely heavier set, and that caused issues in school.

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Speaker 3: As a young kid, Coburger was overweight and was often bullied.

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Speaker 11: It's interesting because when he was being enrolled in our program,

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Speaker 11: You know, that this was something that he had been

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Speaker 3: There is a former school administrator who oversaw student discipline

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Speaker 11: He was a leader in his class, he absolutely was.

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Speaker 11: Protective Services and health Occupations were the only two programs

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Speaker 11: It's horrible. Yeah, yeah, it is. And especially because by

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Speaker 11: Like I said, I'm all about second chances, and I

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Speaker 11: He was removed from protective Services and transitioned into HVAC

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Speaker 7: And then I was like, oh my god.

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Speaker 3: a moment. Friends say it was around the time of

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Speaker 11: Now.

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Speaker 3: Casey Arntce was two years ahead of Coburger in high school.

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Speaker 3: She and her brother Thomas were friends with him, but in.

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Speaker 7: High school, dramatic changes washed over Coburger.

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Speaker 3: He would just like put me in.

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Speaker 3: Coburger also took up boxing and increasingly styled himself as

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Speaker 13: I met him through some friends and they told me

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Speaker 3: However, Pascual also offered an explanation for the sudden weight

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Speaker 13: He did use drugs. That's how I really know him too.

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Speaker 13: He was a big heroin addict, and so was I.

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Speaker 3: After being kicked out of the Law Enforcement Vocation program

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Speaker 3: he was intelligent and nearly obsessive about criminology, but Coberger

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Speaker 2: Two years ago, a man he believes was Coburger used

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Speaker 9: Think That's one of the scarier parts about this case

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Speaker 8: Yeah, stuff, I think hindsight is twenty twenty in a

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Speaker 9: What if he is innocent, I mean, he had this

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Speaker 3: Is that justice?

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Speaker 9: Is that okay? But how does this ordinary guy from

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Speaker 9: And again he wrapped up his school session, hopped in

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Speaker 3: Is that possible? Here's reporter an jette Levy of the

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Speaker 2: I think given the circumstances of this case, you have

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Speaker 2: He's also somebody who apparently had a hard time getting

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Speaker 2: So I think there are a number of ways we

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Speaker 2: Let's say that this is something he was planning for

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Speaker 2: But everything we learned was too that he said he

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Speaker 3: Let's stop here for another break. If Brian Colberger was

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Speaker 5: He seemed very comfortable around all. He was fairly quick

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Speaker 3: But Roberts also said Coburger had an aura of academic

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Speaker 5: At one point, he just idly mentioned, you know, I

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Speaker 3: Other classmates said Coburger made inappropriate comments about the LGBTQ

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Speaker 3: As part of his pH d program, Coburger was a

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Speaker 10: When he came into class, he was very super mentally present.

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Speaker 10: About a month before winter break, when the murders happened.

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Speaker 10: He started grading everybody just one hundreds, like you pretty

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Speaker 3: In early December, a few weeks before his arrest, Coburger

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Speaker 3: was fired from his teaching assistant position after repeated conduct

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Speaker 3: of unprofessional behavior. That behavior included fighting with the university

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Speaker 3: professor and allegations he followed one female student to her car.

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Speaker 12: You may know as Body Moving, My Friend and I

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Speaker 12: John Green were featured in the Netflix documentary Don't f

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Speaker 12: with Cats. On our new podcast, True Crimes with John

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Speaker 12: and Deiana were turning our online investigative skills to some

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Speaker 12: of the most unexplained, unsolved, and most ignored cases.

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Speaker 1: Please say. Thirty three year old bride Again was shot dead,

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Speaker 1: gunned down in front of his two year old daughter.

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Speaker 10: Detectives confirmed that it was a targeted attack.

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Speaker 12: It appears and execution style assassination. This is very active,

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Speaker 12: so we have to be careful.

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Speaker 11: I've heard that there's a house that has some bodies

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Speaker 11: in the basement.

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Speaker 2: I knew.

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Speaker 11: I just knew the move was wrong.

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Speaker 8: Maybe there's something more sinister at play than just one

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Speaker 8: young girl going missing. If you know something, heard something,

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Speaker 8: please it's never too late.

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Speaker 2: To do the right thing.

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Speaker 12: This is True Crimes with John and Deanna.

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Speaker 8: The production of KT Studios and iHeartRadio. Justice is something

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Speaker 8: that takes different shapes or formed