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Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, Are you ready? It's about to hit

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Speaker 1: the fan. Welcome to Unsanctioned Thursdays, horestling with fready, Ladies

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Speaker 1: and gentlemen. Welcome to Unsanctioned Thursdays. No intro today because

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Speaker 1: I want to give you as much time as we

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Speaker 1: can with our guest. And this is part two of

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Speaker 1: the interview with Swerve Strickland. Welcome back to the show.

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Speaker 1: Happy Thursday to you and to everyone out there. Jeff,

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Speaker 1: to you as well. I want to get right into it,

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Speaker 1: and I think this is the most important question that

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Speaker 1: I had and I saved it all the way for

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Speaker 1: this because I don't know how much time it's going

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Speaker 1: to take. You have said this publicly and I want

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Speaker 1: this to happen for you in every way, shape or form.

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Speaker 1: I don't know how soon it has to happen, but

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Speaker 1: it has to happen. You are on the path and

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Speaker 1: you want to be the first Black champion in AAW,

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Speaker 1: World champion in AEW and I think the sky is

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Speaker 1: the limit for you. Jeff and I both think you're

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Speaker 1: a superstar. How fast do you I mean, it's the

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Speaker 1: new year, so how fast do you see this year moving?

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Speaker 1: For you. I mean, do you see this happening quickly?

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Speaker 1: Are you on a slow burn or you a rocket

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Speaker 1: ship strapped to you? What do you see in your

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Speaker 1: future as far as building this legacy toward that.

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Speaker 2: Right now, I don't really put timetable on it because

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Speaker 2: I feel like everything has accelerated super fast for me

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Speaker 2: since being in AW Like. I didn't expect to win

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Speaker 2: the AW tag titles within like six months of me

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Speaker 2: being there. That was not on my to do list,

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Speaker 2: you know, but it ended up happening. I think I

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Speaker 2: had like since signing to AW Like, out of all

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Speaker 2: company's history behind FTR, being the first actually African American

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Speaker 2: tag team to win the titles as well, and then

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Speaker 2: going on to have the first African America two tag

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Speaker 2: teams going for the tag titles out of pay per

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Speaker 2: view as far as African Americans go. So like, those

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Speaker 2: you don't like write that.

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Speaker 1: You can't write that kind of stuff. It just you

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Speaker 1: let the universe happen.

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Speaker 2: And then the fact of like going to like November

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Speaker 2: but like two years prior that was the day I

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Speaker 2: gotta let go from the WW. So that's another thing

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Speaker 2: you can't write. It's just all these things are like aligning,

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Speaker 2: So I can't like, I'm pretty sure being the first

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Speaker 2: are going to align at some point again, and I

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Speaker 2: can't like force that. I can't plan that. I kind

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Speaker 2: of just got to stay focused, like what the task

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Speaker 2: those are those things I gotta handle at this very

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Speaker 2: moment as we speak in But I wouldn't make the

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Speaker 2: case for being the first African American AW World Champion

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Speaker 2: if I didn't feel like I didn't have the qualifications

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Speaker 2: for that. That's like saying I don't think, like, don't

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Speaker 2: get in the NBA if you don't think you're World

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Speaker 2: champion material. You know, if you don't think you're a

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Speaker 2: Super Bowl contender, don't get in the NFL. You want

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Speaker 2: to perceive yourself as the best. That's why we compete,

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Speaker 2: that's why we grow, that's why we progress and stuff.

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Speaker 2: And I feel like I'm one of the most qualified,

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Speaker 2: not just African Americans. I feel like I'm one of

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Speaker 2: to be a world champion. And it's something trash, if

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Speaker 2: something new, it's something people didn't see coming, and it's

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Speaker 2: something that'll like be the gut punch to a lot

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Speaker 2: of criticisms that we see online about the company. It's

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Speaker 2: a lot of like truly new era for the industry period.

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Speaker 2: You know, I feel like I can. I'm responsible enough

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Speaker 2: to hold that title. I move in a certain professional

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Speaker 2: to do. I kind of can bounce between a film

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Speaker 2: and then a music video and then be on stage

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Speaker 2: or Rick Ross and Kevin Gates and then go back

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Speaker 2: off to him for really creating that kind of mold,

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Speaker 2: You know, He's opened up the doorways, and I'm like, Okay,

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Speaker 2: how do I find my identity in that kind of space?

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Speaker 1: You know, dude, When I was a kid, You're blowing

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Speaker 1: my mind. When I was a kid, the only like

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Speaker 1: and getting arrested. And my grandmother introduced me to Lutli

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Speaker 1: in professional wrestling so that we could see heroes. Right, Yes,

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Speaker 1: you know how likable you are? Right, you realize you're

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Speaker 1: gonna be a role model for kids coming up watching wrestling, going,

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Speaker 1: holy shit, I can do that too. I relate to

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Speaker 1: really talking to me. You see that, right? You know that?

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Speaker 2: Yes, I would hope, so I would hope to be

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Speaker 2: like a role mode. I'm a father of two girls,

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Speaker 2: so I think that's that part of me that wants

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Speaker 2: but it humbles me to a space where I'm still

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Speaker 2: I still have people to look out for. And I

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Speaker 2: I want to I don't want to be another story

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Speaker 2: on social media, like oh what could have been? And

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Speaker 2: just falling short of getting so close to something, you know.

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Speaker 2: And I've had family members that I've grew up seeing

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Speaker 1: In high school, I had the whole world handed to them.

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Speaker 2: They had college letters sent to their doorway, like right

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Speaker 2: and then it's just fumbled because of like decisions, being

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Speaker 2: being the city just eating them up and engulfing them

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Speaker 2: that was never me. I've never done a drug a

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Speaker 2: those those little small things can just derail you and

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Speaker 2: take your whole life away that you work so hard for.

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Speaker 2: So I'm really cautious about the way I move. I'm

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Speaker 2: really I have a great support system, like the two

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Speaker 2: my daughters. I'm surrounded by women, So I yeah, like

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Speaker 2: got to be the one too for I got to

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Speaker 2: be the son to my mother, you know. I got

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Speaker 2: and I don't want to I don't want to let

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Speaker 1: We'll finish off with this. You have such an open

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Speaker 1: You said earlier that your podcast partner kind of brought

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Speaker 1: the artist out in you, but you are that. You

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Speaker 1: for you to talk about not just in the wrestling ring,

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Speaker 1: but the things that you have going on outside, especially

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Speaker 2: I started seeing a lot of the similarities that all

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Speaker 2: my loves and all the things that I like, I'm

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Speaker 1: We've seen that.

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Speaker 2: I feel like when it first started, when wrestling really

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Speaker 2: it was a lot of comic books coming to life,

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Speaker 2: and before that you were really seeing like Fisherman characters

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Speaker 1: Yeah helms right, Yeah, shout out Shane elms Man. I

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Speaker 2: But that was like one of the times you're like, oh,

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Speaker 2: then Mysterio took it to the next level. That showed

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Speaker 2: Until I seen bray Wyatt really get a lot of

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Speaker 2: Then it was like, Okay, now we are tapping into

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Speaker 2: it was like, Okay, how do I humanize that? How

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Speaker 2: believe everything you know, and it's not satire. It's actually like, no,

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Speaker 2: And I just the first promo I did, it was

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Speaker 2: and Forth promo and he called me some rapper and

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Speaker 2: I was like, I didn't even have anything in my

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Speaker 2: I was literally just flowing. And he was like he

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Speaker 2: how you use the word rapper because I'm a mogil

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Speaker 2: and I was like, that's what it is. That's what

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Speaker 2: was like, how do I get more of the Mogul

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Speaker 1: Hop all that? Like, yeah, and you guys have been

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Speaker 2: Yeah, hats off to Tony Khan because this has been

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Speaker 2: a partnership when it comes to like the Mogul characters swerve,

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Speaker 2: it wasn't just all me and my design, and this

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Speaker 2: is him allowing me and having the freedom and then

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Speaker 2: having the trust me to bring like Kevin Gates and

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Speaker 2: had to celebrate the tag team titles and liked fat

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Speaker 2: But then with the Rick Ross thing and it was like, okay, cool,

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Speaker 1: It's crazy. And you said that that evolution. It evolved

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Speaker 1: See you guys next season. For season four, I'm bath

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Speaker 1: from my awesome guest Swerf Strickland, my awesome co host Jeff.

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