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Speaker 1: Welcome, Welcome, Welcome back to the Bob Left Sets podcast.

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Speaker 1: My guest today is the Red Rocker himself, Sammy Hagar.

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Speaker 1: Sammy why red?

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Speaker 2: Well?

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Speaker 3: Red is my favorite color. There's no question about that.

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Speaker 3: Always has been. And when I in nineteen seventy six,

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Speaker 3: I wrote a song called Red with my co wrote

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Speaker 3: with my dear buddy John Carter, and I became the

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Speaker 3: Red Rocker by accident. It was I didn't call myself

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Speaker 3: the Red Rocker. Someone else called me that, and then

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Speaker 3: fans started calling me that, and I just said, Okay,

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Speaker 3: I'm the Red Rocker, but I love the color red.

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Speaker 2: It's got a special thing about it.

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Speaker 1: Okay, how many Ferraris do you have?

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Speaker 2: Seven? Okay?

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Speaker 1: Are they all red?

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Speaker 2: No?

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Speaker 3: Guess what? I only have one red Ferrari. No too,

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Speaker 3: I'm sorry, I have two red Ferraris. They all have

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Speaker 3: like either a red stripe or a couple of them

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Speaker 3: have red and terrier though, but she red Ferraris are

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Speaker 3: too obvious.

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Speaker 2: So I'm not a red Ferrari guy.

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Speaker 1: I know, but that's a classic red color, that's why.

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Speaker 1: So what color are your fasting is?

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Speaker 3: I got black, I got a kind of a green one.

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Speaker 3: I've got a cream colored almost yellow, but it's not

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Speaker 3: as cream. I've got a couple of black ones and

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Speaker 3: a red one, and I don't know, honestly, thinking about

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Speaker 3: my ferraris, I know I'm missing a couple in my

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Speaker 3: mind right now.

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Speaker 2: I don't see them in my head. They're in a warehouse.

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Speaker 1: What's the oldest in the newest you have?

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Speaker 3: Oh?

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Speaker 2: Well, the newest is.

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Speaker 3: The new s u vas call a Puerle singue, but

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Speaker 3: I don't have it yet, but that's the newest.

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Speaker 2: And before that, I have a lat Ferrari, which.

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Speaker 3: Rod Stewart just tried to buy from me, and I've

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Speaker 3: got email from him again this morning because it's the

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Speaker 3: color combination once and they don't make them anymore. They

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Speaker 3: only made four hundred and ninety of them, and he

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Speaker 3: wanted one, so he's trying to find a used one,

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Speaker 3: and nobody wants to sell them. I mean, they're we're

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Speaker 3: really special cars. And the oldest ones are seventy one

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Speaker 3: Daytona's coup three sixty five g T Daytona.

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Speaker 1: Convertible.

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Speaker 3: No, no, the convertibles are really crazy expensive. They only

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Speaker 3: made like twelve of those or something. Now I've got

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Speaker 3: a coop Okay, So why do you know so much

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Speaker 3: about this, Bob?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I know a little bit about it. So

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Speaker 1: you have them all in a warehouse?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? I have them a I have a warehouse, you know.

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Speaker 3: I have my homes have multiple car garages, you know,

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Speaker 3: like I keep four or five cars at different houses.

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Speaker 3: But I have a warehouse where I rotate them.

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Speaker 1: Okay, and you only have ferraris or do you have

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Speaker 1: other stuff too?

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Speaker 3: Oh? No, No, I got muscle cars. I got an

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Speaker 3: old ee jagg, I got a you know, a couple

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Speaker 3: of Shelby's, a GT Ford GT forty. I have a Cobra.

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Speaker 3: What else do I have? I have a sixty seven

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Speaker 3: Corvette uh Stingray convertible red right, Yeah, there you go. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: and I got you know, a few yeah, just exotics

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Speaker 3: and muscle.

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Speaker 2: It's about it.

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Speaker 1: Okay, are you a you know? Are you a Are

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Speaker 1: you a Mopark guy or a GM guy? Oh?

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Speaker 3: See, here you go. I'm a Ford guy. Watch yourself. Well,

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Speaker 3: this and that's when when I had when I had

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Speaker 3: my TV show, uh uh a rock Roll road Trip

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Speaker 3: that was one of my this or that. Are you

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Speaker 3: a Ford or a Chevy guy? Because the Chevy guys

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Speaker 3: are always kind of uptown. Ford's a little more red

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Speaker 3: neck like myself, you know, a little more down to

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Speaker 3: earth kind of guy. Uh. And the Mopark guys were

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Speaker 3: always the weirdos.

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Speaker 2: Okay.

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Speaker 3: They were the guys that, you know, didn't have a

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Speaker 3: lot of friends. They were kind of loaners. And when

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Speaker 3: I was in high school, that was it. My buddies

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Speaker 3: were Ford guys. We didn't like the Chevy guys. And

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Speaker 3: the more Park guys were cool because they were just

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Speaker 3: kind of they stayed out of any kind of fad situation,

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Speaker 3: you know, they weren't taking sides.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, So your first car was.

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Speaker 2: Forty nine Chevrolet.

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Speaker 1: Forty nine Chevrolet.

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Speaker 2: Where did you get into?

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Speaker 1: What kind of condition was it in?

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Speaker 3: I paid fifty dollars for it, and I wasn't in

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Speaker 3: a very good condition and had a blown head gasket

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Speaker 3: and reverse had a chip in it so when you

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Speaker 3: put it reverse you would have to hold it in

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Speaker 3: there otherwise it would jump, you know, jump out of reverse.

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Speaker 2: Oh it was. It was really pretty rough.

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Speaker 3: But hey, fifty bucks to be back in those days, Bob,

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Speaker 3: I didn't you know, that was like real money.

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Speaker 2: Okay.

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Speaker 1: And the first car you bought once you made some money.

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Speaker 3: Oh okay, honestly, I think the real first car, you know,

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Speaker 3: was a Ferrari. Finally, you know when I when Montrose

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Speaker 3: got signed to our record deal in nineteen seventy three,

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Speaker 3: I we got fifty thousand dollars. We got I mean,

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Speaker 3: I mean wait, I got five thousand dollars. We got

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Speaker 3: fifty thousand dollars. We each took five and we bought

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Speaker 3: twenty five thousand dollars worth of equipment. And with my

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Speaker 3: Marin County and Mill Valley, and I bought a Citron,

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Speaker 3: a green Citron.

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Speaker 2: You know what those things are? You know they raise

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Speaker 2: up absolutely.

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Speaker 1: Would you buy the two CVX or did you buy

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Speaker 1: a Maserati? Which one did you buy?

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Speaker 3: Oh? No, it's before the Maserati, but I bought our No,

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Speaker 3: it wasn't before the Maserati. But no, I didn't buy

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Speaker 3: that was too expensive. I just bought a regular DV.

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Speaker 3: I think they were called dB twenty thirty one or

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Speaker 3: something like that. Whatever, it was just a four seater,

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Speaker 3: four door, and I loved that car. I mean that

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Speaker 3: car was so cool but very unusual. I mean it

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Speaker 3: wasn't very rock stars, but the real, first real car

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Speaker 2: Then I bought a Porsche.

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Speaker 3: I got a five thousand dollars royalty check one time,

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Speaker 3: and I bought a five thousand dollar Porsche. I was

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Speaker 3: so reckless, you know, I'd spend every penny i'd get it.

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Speaker 3: I'd just go spend it and say, well, hopefully i'll

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Speaker 3: make more. And then then I sold the Porsche, went

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Speaker 3: to England and to record my Red album, and I

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Speaker 3: bought a Ferrari in England, a right hand drive three

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Speaker 3: sixty three point thirty two plus two four headlight version,

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Speaker 3: and that car has been sold recently a couple of times.

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Speaker 3: It was Bluebird Blue because it belonged to Sir Donald Campbell,

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Speaker 3: the Bluebird racing guy, the boat guy who died in

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Speaker 3: the boat in Locknest, and it belonged to him. And

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Speaker 3: now they say it was John Lennon's car. I've seen

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Speaker 3: it advertised in Ferrari newsletters and stuff, you know, three

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Speaker 3: time I sold it for eight thousand. I bought it

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Speaker 3: for five sold for eight. And they say it's John

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Speaker 3: Lennon's car, and it can't be because there was not

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Speaker 3: headline version bluebird blue.

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Speaker 1: Well that was white, hadn't drive. Did you take it

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Speaker 3: Yeah? No, I brought it, brought it to America and

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Speaker 3: I drove it all for about ten years that way.

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Speaker 2: But that was before me. You said, when I made money.

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Speaker 3: But I hadn't made any money yet though John, I

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Speaker 3: mean not John, mister Lennon.

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Speaker 2: I hadn't made any money yet, Bob.

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Speaker 3: So when I finally made money, then I bought a

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Speaker 3: real Ferrari. You know, Well that was a real Ferrari,

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Speaker 3: believe me. But I mean I bought a new one.

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Speaker 3: I bought a five twelve boxer.

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Speaker 1: Okay, a couple of things. The Cituane Was it new?

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Speaker 3: I think it was a sixty seven or sixty eight.

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Speaker 3: Maybe it was a seventy. I don't you know. I

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Speaker 3: don't remember much about that car, just and why I

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Speaker 3: bought it. I still don't know. I loved the CV

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Speaker 3: two but that wasn't going to work for a family car.

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Speaker 3: You know, that thing would barely go up. So but

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Speaker 3: I was in love with CV twos. I thought, man,

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Speaker 3: one of those down that You got me thinking about it, Okay,

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Speaker 3: but that's the true dB forty one something like that.

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Speaker 1: And that had an air suspension and it had the

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Speaker 1: headlights that turned. How much trouble did you have with

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Speaker 3: Oh, a lot of trouble that when the suspension went

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Speaker 3: years after that after I left Montrose. But yeah, the

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Speaker 3: at that time. It was probably a couple of thousand dollars,

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Speaker 3: But it just was so bad ass. You know, that

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Speaker 3: it all the way down, NonStop, one tank of gas.

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Speaker 3: little tiny four cylinder with one hundred and twenty horsepower maybe,

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Speaker 3: And it wasn't fast. It was really a dog but

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Speaker 3: And certain people. I've always been one of those guys

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Speaker 3: still that way. I like when I drive a very

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Speaker 3: rare car, I might have like you know, like my

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Speaker 3: old Daytona. You know it's it doesn't scream. It does

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Speaker 3: a little bit now because it's really getting, you know,

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Speaker 3: a Daytona and they and they tripping on it. See

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Speaker 3: that's the kind of person. I say, yeah, I stopped

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Speaker 3: and have given the time to date. I don't want

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Speaker 3: some bright orange thing, you know, and it makes a

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Speaker 3: that's embarrassing to me. It's you know, I don't know

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Speaker 3: what it is. I've always been that way. Even though

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Speaker 3: you want to be a rock star. You want everybody

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Speaker 3: to love you and come and see you and scream

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Speaker 3: for you. But in my everyday life, I don't want that.

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Speaker 3: How about that?

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Speaker 1: Were you always that person? Like growing up?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm kind of shy, you know, in high school

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Speaker 1: Okay, But you're shy, but you want attention, and you

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Speaker 2: You know, they get it. You know.

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Speaker 3: But I was always really into dressing nice, like I said,

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Speaker 3: going you know, I was always happy and sociable and high,

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Speaker 1: So tell me about the fight.

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Speaker 3: It was with the littlest guy in in school. It

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 3: My dad was a fighter, so I was always you know,

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Speaker 3: It was like, you know, I think we both just

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Speaker 3: It was probably the worst fight I've ever been in,

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Speaker 1: You talk about your father being a tough guy. What

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Speaker 3: Well, I learned unconditional love. And I gotta tell you

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Speaker 3: So they'd have the Irish against the Mexicans, you know,

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Speaker 3: And it ruined his life and my mom, all of them.

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Speaker 3: He'd be drunk on his ass come in my room

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Speaker 3: He'd come in and hug me and just worship me.

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Speaker 3: And I got to tell you, I felt protected. I

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Speaker 3: But it was a strange, really strange you know, balance

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Speaker 3: You're going to be somebody's son. I mean, constantly driving

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Speaker 3: I mean I really believed it, you know, and that's

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you can teach somebody that. Well, Okay,

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Speaker 1: you had siblings. Did he say the same to your

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Speaker 3: No? He didn't like my sisters. He cursed them because

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Speaker 3: He was not cool to them, and he was not

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Speaker 3: cool to my brother, my older brother, he called him.

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Speaker 3: He called me muscle brain, and he called my my

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Speaker 3: he'd say, sound like a sireen. You know, he picked

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Speaker 3: I don't know why he favored me so much. He

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Speaker 3: And and I was named after him, sam r. His

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Speaker 3: name was sam ROI byo, I'm sam Roy Hagar and

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Speaker 3: He was chasing him. We were camping. I saw this

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Speaker 3: My dad got drunk, got mad at my grandpa, and

438
00:20:38,200 --> 00:20:41,000
Speaker 3: my grandpa took off running, was running around a car.

439
00:20:41,440 --> 00:20:45,800
Speaker 3: My dad was chasing him, trying to get him, and.

440
00:20:44,680 --> 00:20:45,560
Speaker 2: This is true shit.

441
00:20:46,280 --> 00:20:50,199
Speaker 3: And my grandma picked up a rock and tried to

442
00:20:50,440 --> 00:20:52,720
Speaker 3: throw it to hit a big rock, you know, like

443
00:20:52,800 --> 00:20:55,200
Speaker 3: as big as your head type rock to try to

444
00:20:55,280 --> 00:20:58,399
Speaker 3: hit my dad just you know, take him out. And

445
00:20:58,840 --> 00:21:03,679
Speaker 3: instead of hit my granda knocked tip cold bleeding and

446
00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:06,320
Speaker 3: my dad chilled out. He was like, oh shit. You know,

447
00:21:06,400 --> 00:21:08,760
Speaker 3: he had a really good heart about him. He just

448
00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:14,080
Speaker 3: had a crazy, whacked out temperature. He get hot so fast,

449
00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:16,400
Speaker 3: and that's all he knew had to do is start swinging.

450
00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:25,880
Speaker 1: What do you think, since you're not a young man

451
00:21:25,960 --> 00:21:27,879
Speaker 1: yourself and you've lived a lot, what was going on

452
00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:28,320
Speaker 1: with him?

453
00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:32,720
Speaker 3: He's a super bad alcoholic. He was in World War Two.

454
00:21:32,760 --> 00:21:34,960
Speaker 3: He was a paratrooper. He jumped out of an airplane

455
00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:40,520
Speaker 3: and broke his jaw. He didn't he had a Tommy

456
00:21:40,560 --> 00:21:43,600
Speaker 3: gun and he was shooting the gun supposedly as he

457
00:21:43,720 --> 00:21:47,080
Speaker 3: was coming down, because you know, he was landing in

458
00:21:47,119 --> 00:21:50,399
Speaker 3: an enemy field, and he got off course, landed in

459
00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:53,639
Speaker 3: a tree, broke his jaw, had a couple of ribs,

460
00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:56,919
Speaker 3: messed up, got left behind, lived in.

461
00:21:56,920 --> 00:21:59,200
Speaker 2: A foxhole, he said, for a few days.

462
00:21:59,560 --> 00:22:02,960
Speaker 3: Actually shot another man that was in another fox hole,

463
00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:06,600
Speaker 3: you know, the enemy, and you know they'd take pop

464
00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:09,679
Speaker 3: shots at each other, and finally he shot him. And

465
00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:12,280
Speaker 3: I think it messed him up so bad to have

466
00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:15,160
Speaker 3: to kill another human. And he came back and he

467
00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:20,600
Speaker 3: took his When he got back into his company, he

468
00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:24,399
Speaker 3: to his company commander he shot the ground and told

469
00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:28,000
Speaker 3: him it made him dance. And he got dishonorable discharge.

470
00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:29,879
Speaker 3: And he was never the same. My mom said he

471
00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:31,280
Speaker 3: would wake up in the middle of the night and

472
00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:33,080
Speaker 3: jumping up in the bench, say where's my tommy gun?

473
00:22:33,080 --> 00:22:36,240
Speaker 3: Where's my tommy gun? And I could see him doing

474
00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:37,800
Speaker 3: that in my head. You know, I don't think I

475
00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:41,560
Speaker 3: really witnessed it, but he became a bad alcoholic.

476
00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:43,120
Speaker 2: He was a boxer before that.

477
00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:47,840
Speaker 3: He'd fought, you know, in the old days, practically bare knuckle,

478
00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:49,600
Speaker 3: you know, it was just like a piece of leather

479
00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:52,440
Speaker 3: over your hands. And he had never been knocked out

480
00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:56,480
Speaker 3: in his life. He was knocked down. I think he

481
00:22:56,560 --> 00:22:59,920
Speaker 3: holds a record of the most knockdowns in one round

482
00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:03,720
Speaker 3: in history or something like that. And uh, he just

483
00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:06,520
Speaker 3: kept getting back. Uh this before my time too. I

484
00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:11,880
Speaker 3: never witnessed that. But he was fearless and uh angry,

485
00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:14,520
Speaker 3: but the sweetest man in the world. But boy, when

486
00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:18,000
Speaker 3: he get drinking, he would get angry. I guess I

487
00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:20,119
Speaker 3: think that's what he was. He was dealing with that.

488
00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:22,080
Speaker 3: He was dealing with what we see now is you know,

489
00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:25,359
Speaker 3: people come back from Vietnam and stuff with this, with

490
00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:29,399
Speaker 3: that same problem, you know, semi. But he had it

491
00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:31,639
Speaker 3: in a day where you couldn't be a whimp. You know,

492
00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:34,800
Speaker 3: you couldn't say, I'm scared. You couldn't say to him.

493
00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:35,600
Speaker 3: He couldn't anyway.

494
00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:41,560
Speaker 2: You know. He was that generation he belonged with. He

495
00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:42,840
Speaker 2: belonged to the cowboy days.

496
00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:45,680
Speaker 3: He should have had a six gun around his hip

497
00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:48,720
Speaker 3: and just that should have been in That's where he belonged.

498
00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:50,280
Speaker 2: He came from that era. You know.

499
00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:53,440
Speaker 3: He was born in a cupboard wagon, for God's sakes,

500
00:23:53,440 --> 00:24:00,679
Speaker 3: coming from Kentucky to California my grandparents with eleven other kids.

501
00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:04,080
Speaker 3: He was born in Texas. Well, they were picking cotton.

502
00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:08,520
Speaker 3: They were in a cupboard friggin wagon. And so he

503
00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:12,160
Speaker 3: he was old school man, you know. And how long

504
00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:17,320
Speaker 3: did he live? Fifty six, died in the back.

505
00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:21,840
Speaker 1: Of the Did he live long enough to see your success?

506
00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:30,040
Speaker 2: No? No, terrible?

507
00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:35,080
Speaker 1: And whatever happened with your siblings and what's your relationship

508
00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:35,480
Speaker 1: with them?

509
00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:40,439
Speaker 3: Now? My brother has passed. He's three years older than me.

510
00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:44,000
Speaker 3: He passed about right before COVID. Well, right in the

511
00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:46,840
Speaker 3: beginning of COVID, he passed. I don't think I was

512
00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:50,160
Speaker 3: from COVID. He had a lot of heart attacks and

513
00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:55,280
Speaker 3: he just had breathing problems. He had heart problems, but

514
00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:58,480
Speaker 3: he did fine. I mean, you know, he had some problems.

515
00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:01,280
Speaker 3: I got to say, he had to stopped drinking. But

516
00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:06,280
Speaker 3: he wasn't wounded as bad as you would think. Because

517
00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:11,000
Speaker 3: we had such a wonderful mother. My mom raised us

518
00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:14,400
Speaker 3: like to be strong people. She made us work. We

519
00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:15,520
Speaker 3: worked in the fields with her.

520
00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:16,040
Speaker 2: You know.

521
00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:19,640
Speaker 3: She would go dig potatoes, pick apricots, you know, pick

522
00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:22,120
Speaker 3: berries into berry patches.

523
00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:26,240
Speaker 2: You know. We were like field workers, my whole family.

524
00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:29,200
Speaker 3: And we'd go out, all four of us, right before

525
00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:31,159
Speaker 3: we'd go back to school. My mom would make us

526
00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:33,960
Speaker 3: go out and we'd pick fruit and pick vegetables and

527
00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:40,960
Speaker 3: do yard work around then around our town. Uh, and

528
00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:44,240
Speaker 3: to get money to you know, buy clothes for school.

529
00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:47,160
Speaker 3: And I always dress good and I'd make my money.

530
00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:48,720
Speaker 3: I knew what I wanted to. I'm on a nice

531
00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:51,639
Speaker 3: pair of Levi's that customize them up. You know, I

532
00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:54,879
Speaker 3: had my my thing. But my mom was wonderful, so

533
00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:57,040
Speaker 3: she made us all strong and feel like we had

534
00:25:57,040 --> 00:26:00,280
Speaker 3: a family with the community. After my dad and they

535
00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:02,920
Speaker 3: split up, and then my dad finally died, but.

536
00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:08,200
Speaker 2: My sisters both happily.

537
00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:12,600
Speaker 3: My oldest sister's happily married for fifty some years to

538
00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:13,320
Speaker 3: the same guy.

539
00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:16,000
Speaker 2: Has wonderful kids, very family oriented.

540
00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:19,080
Speaker 3: They all live in the same frigate neighborhood, all four

541
00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:22,400
Speaker 3: of her kids and her very family oriented.

542
00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:23,119
Speaker 2: Everyone in.

543
00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:28,920
Speaker 3: My sister Velma very successful. She's started a business. She's

544
00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:33,440
Speaker 3: kind of like me, she's very business oriented. And yeah,

545
00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:36,040
Speaker 3: everybody's really good. We get along great. I mean, we

546
00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:38,840
Speaker 3: love each other. We support each other.

547
00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:43,200
Speaker 1: So when you ultimately made a good chunk of change,

548
00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:47,600
Speaker 1: which you did, to what degree did you support your family.

549
00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:50,760
Speaker 3: I bought my mother her first home she ever owned

550
00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:53,919
Speaker 3: in her life when I got my first big record

551
00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:56,920
Speaker 3: advance and made.

552
00:26:56,760 --> 00:27:00,040
Speaker 2: My first tour money. And then later on I bought her.

553
00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:03,720
Speaker 3: Really nice house next to my sister Valma, who had

554
00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:06,399
Speaker 3: a beautiful home in Palm Desert. So I bought my

555
00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:12,200
Speaker 3: mom the house next door, and they because they really

556
00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:15,280
Speaker 3: got along well. And those two, my mom and my sister,

557
00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:19,640
Speaker 3: and you know, when I sold my group will Campari,

558
00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:22,320
Speaker 3: I basically split up a million dollars with my friends

559
00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:25,879
Speaker 3: and family, so my close friends and family.

560
00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:35,280
Speaker 1: Okay, so where does this entrepreneurship come from being poor?

561
00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:40,000
Speaker 2: I ain't going to be that again, you know, I've

562
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:40,400
Speaker 2: been there.

563
00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:45,360
Speaker 3: Uh. I think the drive that keeps me going at

564
00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:48,080
Speaker 3: this stage when I don't need money, I don't need fame,

565
00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:50,840
Speaker 3: I don't need fortune. I just need to be happy

566
00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:53,920
Speaker 3: and content. But I'm still so driven that it kind

567
00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:57,760
Speaker 3: of makes me happy to achieve. I'm achieved, achieved, nut

568
00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:00,840
Speaker 3: and and I give most of the money away now

569
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:02,920
Speaker 3: that you know, from all my restaurants and stuff.

570
00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:07,800
Speaker 2: But I think that drive come from just humiliation. You know.

571
00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:09,840
Speaker 3: One time in high school, because my dad was always

572
00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:12,000
Speaker 3: such a tough guy, such a small town, I had

573
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:15,000
Speaker 3: a girlfriend, my first girlfriend, you know, the first puppy love,

574
00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:16,960
Speaker 3: seventh grade, and.

575
00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:19,639
Speaker 2: I walked over to her house.

576
00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:21,720
Speaker 3: I used to walk her home, you know, from school

577
00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:23,399
Speaker 3: every day, and then I'd walk all the way across

578
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:25,119
Speaker 3: town to my house. I didn't want to by know

579
00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:27,560
Speaker 3: where I lived because we were single parent at that

580
00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:30,280
Speaker 3: stage and living in a pretty poor situation.

581
00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:32,280
Speaker 2: But like I said, I had a paper route.

582
00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:35,399
Speaker 3: I'd mow lawns, I would go to my family, my

583
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:37,800
Speaker 3: aunts and my uncles and drive my bicycle over there

584
00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:39,280
Speaker 3: and say, can i'm move your lawa. I need a

585
00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:42,080
Speaker 3: dollar you know, I need a dollar badge, you know.

586
00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:45,000
Speaker 3: And so I was always you know, dressed and I

587
00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:47,320
Speaker 3: so they were in school. Everyone thought I was cool,

588
00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:49,720
Speaker 3: but really I was poor as shit. Our house was

589
00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:53,200
Speaker 3: really bad neighborhood and we were just renting and my

590
00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:58,280
Speaker 3: mom was had a really funky job, but you know,

591
00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:01,960
Speaker 3: we were poor. So I would walk my girlfriend home

592
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:05,560
Speaker 3: every day from school. And then one time her mother

593
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:07,560
Speaker 3: invited me and said, oh, come in and have some

594
00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:08,640
Speaker 3: dinner with us, you know.

595
00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:10,840
Speaker 2: So I'm sitting there at the dinner table.

596
00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:16,560
Speaker 3: Her dad walks in and my girlfriend says, hi, Daddy,

597
00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:22,400
Speaker 3: this is my friend Sammy Hagar, and he goes, Hagar

598
00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:23,520
Speaker 3: is your father Robert.

599
00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:25,200
Speaker 2: I said, yay, he goes get the hell out of

600
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:25,600
Speaker 2: my house.

601
00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:28,040
Speaker 3: My dad had beat him up in a bar and so,

602
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:31,680
Speaker 3: you know, it's like I was so humiliated from that.

603
00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:33,040
Speaker 2: And then my girlfriend she.

604
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:35,120
Speaker 3: Could I couldn't come to the house and you know,

605
00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:38,200
Speaker 3: she couldn't see me, and it just I think that

606
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:41,520
Speaker 3: honestly said I'm going to be somebody. I went back

607
00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:44,000
Speaker 3: to my dad said I'm going to be somebody and

608
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:46,040
Speaker 3: that she ain't going to happen to me again. It

609
00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:49,560
Speaker 3: was so embarrassing. It was just brutal, you know. So

610
00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:54,760
Speaker 3: I think that's what still drives me. I don't know why,

611
00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:57,840
Speaker 3: but I think that one moment and then a couple

612
00:29:57,880 --> 00:29:59,960
Speaker 3: of times, my dad would be walking down the street

613
00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:02,120
Speaker 3: drunk in the middle of the night, and I'd be

614
00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:04,280
Speaker 3: out with my buddies back then. Now we got a car,

615
00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:06,560
Speaker 3: and now we're looking for girls, and sometimes we'd have

616
00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:08,920
Speaker 3: girls in the car, you know, and we'd be drinking

617
00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:10,960
Speaker 3: the beer and stuff and cruise down the road, and

618
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:13,280
Speaker 3: all of a sudden, I'd see my dad staggering down

619
00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:16,240
Speaker 3: the road. You know, he was homeless at some point,

620
00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:18,880
Speaker 3: and I would go, oh shit, you know, and some

621
00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:20,640
Speaker 3: guys in a car would say, a man, it's not

622
00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:22,600
Speaker 3: your old man. Oh well, yeah, I know a guy

623
00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:24,760
Speaker 3: who went to jail with him. And you know, I

624
00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:27,640
Speaker 3: was hanging around with these loser kind of dudes and

625
00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:29,959
Speaker 3: they had been in a couple of you guys, they

626
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:31,520
Speaker 3: know he'd been in jails. Yeah, I met your dad

627
00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:33,960
Speaker 3: in jail. Yeah, man, he's a badass. Yeah, you know,

628
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:35,640
Speaker 3: he beat some guy up in jail, you know, and

629
00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:37,840
Speaker 3: all this kind of stuff. So one side it was

630
00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:39,680
Speaker 3: me saying, yeah, my dad's a badass, and as I

631
00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:42,520
Speaker 3: was saying, well, this is get embarrassing, and I would,

632
00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:45,920
Speaker 3: you know, so I'd go get my sister and tell

633
00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:48,680
Speaker 3: her my dad was walking down see her down the street,

634
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:52,160
Speaker 3: and she'd go find him, bring him to a house

635
00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:54,720
Speaker 3: and clean him up. And then he'd just steal five

636
00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:57,480
Speaker 3: bucks out of her person, go out and get drunk again.

637
00:30:57,480 --> 00:31:01,280
Speaker 3: He was he was completely helpless. I mean, I could

638
00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:03,960
Speaker 3: help him now, but then there was nowhere to put him.

639
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:07,080
Speaker 3: We didn't know what to do. There was no alcoholic.

640
00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:10,600
Speaker 3: There was alcoholic anonymous, but all of his buddies from

641
00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:11,800
Speaker 3: that were just as bad as him.

642
00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:15,400
Speaker 2: So you know, yeah, he gave it a shot a

643
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:15,920
Speaker 2: few times.

644
00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:18,160
Speaker 3: But I think the longest here of stayed sober in

645
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:21,840
Speaker 3: my life that we remember was nine months. We actually

646
00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:25,760
Speaker 3: had one year in our life that was like normal,

647
00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:28,760
Speaker 3: lived went to the same school for the whole year,

648
00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:32,400
Speaker 3: you know, had friends over to the house, you know

649
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:35,640
Speaker 3: that kind of thing. Yeah, it's pretty much a trip,

650
00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:38,240
Speaker 3: you know, Bob, You're rolling me back through this thing

651
00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:38,840
Speaker 3: pretty strong.

652
00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:40,840
Speaker 2: When I wrote my book.

653
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:45,600
Speaker 3: I went through this once, and this is the closest

654
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:48,280
Speaker 3: I've come to remember and all this stuff. It's not

655
00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:49,800
Speaker 3: like I try to forget it. I'm not one of

656
00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:52,560
Speaker 3: those guys that bury my head in the sand. It's

657
00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:55,720
Speaker 3: just that there's so much good stuff going on. I

658
00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:58,480
Speaker 3: very seldom go back and think about this stuff. But

659
00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:01,320
Speaker 3: I had a tough child. It didn't feel like it

660
00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:06,760
Speaker 3: at the time, but it does now I'm looking back

661
00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:08,480
Speaker 3: on going we were poorish.

662
00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:15,440
Speaker 1: Okay, So you have built an empire, okay, with restaurants, alcohol,

663
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:19,040
Speaker 1: et cetera. The only person I can think who's in

664
00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:24,640
Speaker 1: your category is Jimmy Buffett. Do you think that you've

665
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:29,080
Speaker 1: gotten the respect you deserve? Do you still want respect?

666
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:30,600
Speaker 1: What's your take on that.

667
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:33,280
Speaker 2: I don't think I will ever.

668
00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:37,360
Speaker 3: Be able to satisfy that thing in myself unless I

669
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:42,520
Speaker 3: become some kind of a spiritual, enlightened person, which I'm

670
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:46,520
Speaker 3: becoming little by little. I'm becoming more spiritual and looking

671
00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:51,560
Speaker 3: for enlightenment, looking for purpose and what I can do.

672
00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:52,600
Speaker 2: Now.

673
00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:57,440
Speaker 3: Maybe if I turn around and do enough for others,

674
00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:01,120
Speaker 3: I may get over it. But other than that, no,

675
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:03,880
Speaker 3: I don't. I don't think that's a thing I can

676
00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:07,520
Speaker 3: a hunger and a thirst that it can be satisfied. Because,

677
00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:09,480
Speaker 3: like I said, it's not like I do this for

678
00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:13,360
Speaker 3: money at all. I do it for I love it.

679
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:13,800
Speaker 2: You know.

680
00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:18,080
Speaker 3: When I have an idea word, it's thought word action

681
00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:21,240
Speaker 3: for me. You know, I have a thought, I tell

682
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:23,440
Speaker 3: it to myself or tell somebody else, or I write

683
00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:25,920
Speaker 3: it down or talking to my phone, and then I

684
00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:26,600
Speaker 3: go to work on it.

685
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:28,600
Speaker 2: I say, oh, this is great. I have something to do.

686
00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:32,280
Speaker 3: It's like, you know, I love achieving and it's not

687
00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:36,920
Speaker 3: like I said, it's not ego way over that I

688
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:39,719
Speaker 3: feel real good about myself. Like I don't, you know,

689
00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:43,800
Speaker 3: have this ego where I I mean, I feel fine

690
00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:46,480
Speaker 3: about my achievements and fine about everything I do and

691
00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:48,640
Speaker 3: how would I do for other people in my life?

692
00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:52,400
Speaker 2: But I'm still doing it and why I don't know.

693
00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:57,040
Speaker 3: It's fun, I guess, you know, it's as much fun

694
00:33:57,040 --> 00:33:59,120
Speaker 3: as being a rock star going out on stage, you know,

695
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:01,200
Speaker 3: with you know, opening up a new business and having

696
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:03,840
Speaker 3: it be successful is like you know, walking to a

697
00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:06,200
Speaker 3: liquor store and seeing my booze on the counter, or

698
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:09,319
Speaker 3: walking into a bar a restaurant and looking at the bar,

699
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:11,919
Speaker 3: my booze on the back bar. Man, that's like hearing

700
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:15,120
Speaker 3: your song on the radio two hundred times, you know

701
00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:16,960
Speaker 3: in montro So. I remember hearing my voice on the

702
00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:18,759
Speaker 3: radio the first time. I couldn't even hear it. It

703
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:22,200
Speaker 3: was so crazy. I'm just going, I'm not, you know,

704
00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:23,759
Speaker 3: I didn't know what to do. I wanted more. I

705
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:25,800
Speaker 3: wanted to feel it. I wanted to hear it. I couldn't.

706
00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:30,280
Speaker 3: And it's almost that good seeing your booze and stuff

707
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:35,279
Speaker 3: and seeing your restaurant packed, you know, seeing your hotel full.

708
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:39,600
Speaker 3: You know, it's like, yeah, Jimmy, Buffet's done really well. Now, though,

709
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:42,240
Speaker 3: if Jimmy woke up with my money, it probably filed

710
00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:43,080
Speaker 3: for chapter eleven.

711
00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:45,160
Speaker 2: But that's a different story.

712
00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:50,200
Speaker 1: Okay, but Jimmy gets a lot of respect. Are you

713
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:53,120
Speaker 1: still fighting for the respect that someone like Jimmy or

714
00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:54,280
Speaker 1: someone else might have.

715
00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:58,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, kind of, you know, you know what I don't like.

716
00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:01,160
Speaker 3: I don't like to be disrespect It's not like I

717
00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:06,040
Speaker 3: need respect as much as I maybe used to. You know, Yeah,

718
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:07,759
Speaker 3: I think that was a big deal for me, wanting

719
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:12,400
Speaker 3: to be a rock star and rich and famous and

720
00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:16,000
Speaker 3: you know, but I gotta tell you. I think it's

721
00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:19,640
Speaker 3: I just really don't like disrespect. You know, there's some

722
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:21,960
Speaker 3: people that just don't like me, you know, and it's

723
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:24,160
Speaker 3: going to be that way with everybody. I mean, you know,

724
00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:26,680
Speaker 3: I feel like it's almost like being the president of

725
00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:28,839
Speaker 3: the United States or something. You know, when you're rich

726
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:32,680
Speaker 3: and famous and have all these you know, businesses and

727
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:36,120
Speaker 3: people know it, some people don't like you for it,

728
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:38,600
Speaker 3: and that makes me mad, you know, Like there's people

729
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:41,480
Speaker 3: that don't like rich people, and I think, well, man,

730
00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:44,400
Speaker 3: there's some poor people that are as bad as rich people.

731
00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:47,120
Speaker 3: You know, some rich people are bad people, period. Some

732
00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:49,600
Speaker 3: poor people are bad people. You can't judge a person

733
00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:51,839
Speaker 3: by their money. You judge them by what they do

734
00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:53,640
Speaker 3: and who they are and what they do for others.

735
00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:56,040
Speaker 3: And you know how you know you can you know,

736
00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:58,600
Speaker 3: look a look at Warren Buffett. I mean, he gets

737
00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:01,839
Speaker 3: half of his money away. Okay, so what he still got?

738
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:03,480
Speaker 3: You know, he says, no one needs more than five

739
00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:08,440
Speaker 3: hundred million dollars. What, of course not. But truthfully, it

740
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:12,360
Speaker 3: gets five hundred million dollars away, you know, to charities

741
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:16,399
Speaker 3: and build schools and hospitals, and you know, hell, he's

742
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:17,160
Speaker 3: a wonderful man.

743
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:17,640
Speaker 2: You know what I mean.

744
00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:21,120
Speaker 3: If we had more people like him, the government wouldn't

745
00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:22,640
Speaker 3: have to be so strapped trying to take care of

746
00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:24,840
Speaker 3: all these people. So I feel like I'm one of

747
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:27,719
Speaker 3: those kind of people. I want to I want to

748
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:30,080
Speaker 3: do really good with my money, and when I open

749
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:32,480
Speaker 3: up a new restaurant and I give all that money away.

750
00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:34,520
Speaker 3: I just opened up a restaurant here in Orange County

751
00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:39,279
Speaker 3: at the Waterfront Hilton. It's called Kabbo Wobble Beach Club.

752
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:43,520
Speaker 3: It's my first beach club. I'm kind of morphing Kabo

753
00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:46,920
Speaker 3: Wobble into beach my beach thing, Sammy's Beach Bar and

754
00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:49,880
Speaker 3: grills and Sammy's Beach Bar run Beach Bar, cocktails and

755
00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:52,520
Speaker 3: Kabbo Wobble. I'm melting them together. So it's Kabo Wobble

756
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:54,040
Speaker 3: Beach Club. If you see what I'm saying. That saying

757
00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:56,400
Speaker 3: I'm loving this project. I want to have a beat

758
00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:59,080
Speaker 3: Kabbo Wobble resort. But my point is when I opened

759
00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:01,799
Speaker 3: it up, I give every every penny every month goes

760
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:05,359
Speaker 3: to Chalk Children's Hospital of Orange County. And if there's

761
00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:07,560
Speaker 3: extra money where it starts being so dam much. But

762
00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:10,520
Speaker 3: I'm going, well, you know, then I'm gonna give some

763
00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:14,480
Speaker 3: to food banks and give them to Tillies. This Attillies

764
00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:17,880
Speaker 3: thing where this really helps teenagers up. So I mean,

765
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:19,719
Speaker 3: I'm giving them money. Well I'm not even touching it.

766
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:22,080
Speaker 3: But when I walk in there and it's packed, I'm going, yes,

767
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:27,319
Speaker 3: this is so great, you know, and I see that check. Yeah,

768
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:29,360
Speaker 3: that's so you can't. I don't want nobody mad at me.

769
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:31,640
Speaker 3: I don't want nobody dogging me for that, you know.

770
00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:35,120
Speaker 3: I mean, if I do. You know, I got five

771
00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:37,800
Speaker 3: restaurants I do that with, and it comes to about

772
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:39,920
Speaker 3: six hundred thousand dollars a year that I give away

773
00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:43,239
Speaker 3: every year for ten years, and every every gig I've

774
00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:46,040
Speaker 3: ever played for the last thirteen years since I sold

775
00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:50,120
Speaker 3: Cobbo Wobble Tequila for the zillion dollars I give every

776
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:53,000
Speaker 3: city I play, I give twenty five hundred dollars minimum

777
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:56,160
Speaker 3: to the local food bank every cent for you know,

778
00:37:57,160 --> 00:38:01,279
Speaker 3: like twelve thirteen years. So I want to be respected

779
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:05,040
Speaker 3: for that, not not necessarily respect. I'm not asking for it,

780
00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:07,480
Speaker 3: but just don't disrespect me and call me an asshole

781
00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:08,880
Speaker 3: or thea ain't call me a rich shirker.

782
00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:10,920
Speaker 2: Oh that folk are so rich man, you know, I

783
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:14,759
Speaker 2: hate him. Don't do that to me. That's that makes

784
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:15,200
Speaker 2: me mad.

785
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:18,839
Speaker 1: Okay, we live in an era where people are here

786
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:21,560
Speaker 1: and hate all the day long online, and you have

787
00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:23,880
Speaker 1: to ignore a little bit about that. But on a

788
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:26,600
Speaker 1: higher level, tell me about a couple of times you

789
00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:27,680
Speaker 1: were disrespected.

790
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:34,520
Speaker 2: Ah, nothing really comes to mind.

791
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:42,160
Speaker 3: I had a couple business partners that really try to

792
00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:44,799
Speaker 3: take advantage of me and really stole from me and

793
00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:48,520
Speaker 3: actually cheated me and when they knew what I was

794
00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:53,000
Speaker 3: doing with my money. And I call that disrespect.

795
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:54,080
Speaker 2: You know. It's like.

796
00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:57,640
Speaker 3: If I do something really nice for someone and they

797
00:38:57,680 --> 00:39:01,520
Speaker 3: take advantage of that and I you know, I've got

798
00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:03,799
Speaker 3: a business partner right now. I feel in the same

799
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:05,359
Speaker 3: way about a guy. I got to get away from

800
00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:06,960
Speaker 3: this guy. I got to get rid of him. But

801
00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:10,719
Speaker 3: I have a philosophy that you never fuck anybody like you.

802
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:14,520
Speaker 3: Just don't do that. Any situation I get in is

803
00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:17,920
Speaker 3: supposed to be everyone wins, you win, I win. I

804
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:20,000
Speaker 3: don't want to win and you lose. I do not

805
00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:23,080
Speaker 3: want that. I won't I won't get involved. Uh, And

806
00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:25,160
Speaker 3: I don't want where you win and I lose, I

807
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:29,440
Speaker 3: won't get involved, but I have before. And so that's

808
00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:33,360
Speaker 3: the ultimate goal for me is to never fuck anybody.

809
00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:35,560
Speaker 3: And then so when I go into a relationship and

810
00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:37,200
Speaker 3: I do something really nice for someone, say hey, you

811
00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:38,920
Speaker 3: want to be my business Parker, you do this and

812
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:41,520
Speaker 3: I'll do this and we'll be partners. Yeah, shake hands,

813
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:43,960
Speaker 3: no contract, And then they turn around and fuck me.

814
00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:49,360
Speaker 3: That That really that makes me mad. I mean, I'm

815
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:54,120
Speaker 3: really angry to be disrespected. That's to me, it's pure disrespect.

816
00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:56,080
Speaker 3: For someone to take advantage of someone that's trying to

817
00:39:56,120 --> 00:39:58,520
Speaker 3: do something nice for them, that's disrespect.

818
00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:04,600
Speaker 1: Okay, you talked about Warren Buffett, and famously Warren Buffett

819
00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:08,920
Speaker 1: taught Bill Gates how to be a philanthropist. Where do

820
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:12,600
Speaker 1: you get all your phillianthropical elements? Where did you learn

821
00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:13,400
Speaker 1: to give back?

822
00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:18,000
Speaker 3: Uh? Wow, oh boy, I got goosebumps. And I don't

823
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:19,920
Speaker 3: know if you can see these things. My hair is

824
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:23,359
Speaker 3: standing up on my body. That's how much I love

825
00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:27,920
Speaker 3: giving back. This the it's man, It's what drives me

826
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:30,279
Speaker 3: now is how much more I can do? What more

827
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:33,040
Speaker 3: can I do? How can I fix that? And where

828
00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:36,680
Speaker 3: it came from was I went to a charitable event

829
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:40,600
Speaker 3: that was high falutin in San Francisco, long long time ago,

830
00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:45,080
Speaker 3: I want to say fifteen years ago or more.

831
00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:49,239
Speaker 2: It was for a Painted Turtle, which is.

832
00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:52,799
Speaker 3: An organization that's kind of like Make a Wish where

833
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:56,160
Speaker 3: they build this little village and playground type thing for

834
00:40:56,320 --> 00:41:00,239
Speaker 3: children that are dying, have termally ill and which my

835
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:04,920
Speaker 3: biggest my biggest concern is determinedly ill children that parents

836
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:08,920
Speaker 3: cannot keep supporting them. They've run out of insurance or whatever.

837
00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:11,239
Speaker 3: That child has only got a couple of years to live.

838
00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:16,719
Speaker 3: Who but Paul Newman. They showed a little clip and

839
00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:22,200
Speaker 3: they showed Paul Newman. He was just leaning on a counter,

840
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:25,240
Speaker 3: had a beer in his hand. It was at a race.

841
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:28,640
Speaker 3: He had his race thing on and it was he

842
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:31,520
Speaker 3: was pasted already, but it was just an old clip

843
00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:33,719
Speaker 3: where he was part of the paintal I think that

844
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:37,200
Speaker 3: was his one of his main things. And he said,

845
00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:43,640
Speaker 3: when we see when you see a situation of someone

846
00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:48,880
Speaker 3: in a position that you can help, a bad situation,

847
00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:53,400
Speaker 3: that you can actually do something about it, and you don't.

848
00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:56,000
Speaker 2: He goes, I couldn't live in myself.

849
00:41:56,320 --> 00:41:59,279
Speaker 3: So he saw a situation that he thought, well, I'm

850
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:01,480
Speaker 3: in a position I can actually help that.

851
00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:02,719
Speaker 2: I can change that, you know.

852
00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:05,919
Speaker 3: And that's how he got in the hook in philanthropy.

853
00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:08,680
Speaker 3: He thought, you know, and I thought to myself, Wow,

854
00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:11,440
Speaker 3: what a beautiful thing. I just hit home with me

855
00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:14,160
Speaker 3: that if you see something a person that's in a

856
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:17,640
Speaker 3: bad situation, it's like, you know, an elderly lady falling

857
00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:20,239
Speaker 3: down in the street, you stop your frigging car and

858
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:21,560
Speaker 3: you get out and you help that lady, you know

859
00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:21,919
Speaker 3: what I mean.

860
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:24,840
Speaker 2: It just hit home with me.

861
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:26,880
Speaker 3: So I just thought, man, I'm in a position now

862
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:28,920
Speaker 3: where I can actually start doing something. So I started

863
00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:31,359
Speaker 3: the found I looked into it and I found out,

864
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:34,160
Speaker 3: you know, you give a dollar because you have to

865
00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:37,160
Speaker 3: pay taxes on it. So I thought, well, that's stupid.

866
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:39,680
Speaker 3: You know, that's horrible. You know, I want them. I

867
00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:41,520
Speaker 3: want that person to have all that money, you know

868
00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:42,920
Speaker 3: what I mean. If I if I got a Ford

869
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:44,640
Speaker 3: one hundred dollars, I want them to have the full

870
00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:47,799
Speaker 3: hundred dollars. So someone, my attorney, told me about you know,

871
00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:50,680
Speaker 3: you started a foundation, and I said, oh shit. I

872
00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:53,759
Speaker 3: looked into it, started to hag our family foundation, and

873
00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:57,040
Speaker 3: that's how I give money away. It's it's just it's

874
00:42:57,040 --> 00:43:02,439
Speaker 3: really wonderful because my foundation and is not one where

875
00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:06,239
Speaker 3: I allow people to give me money. I tell everyone, no, no, no,

876
00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:08,480
Speaker 3: I don't want you money. I earn my own money,

877
00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:11,160
Speaker 3: I put it in my foundation and I give it away.

878
00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:14,080
Speaker 3: You just come and buy my tickets, you buy my booze,

879
00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:16,040
Speaker 3: you come to my restaurants, and I'll take care of

880
00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:17,839
Speaker 3: the other thing. Don't try to write me a check,

881
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:20,160
Speaker 3: you know, because you start taking other people's money. Now

882
00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:22,560
Speaker 3: you're that's a rough gig man. I don't want to

883
00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:26,640
Speaker 3: be that responsible, you know. So my idea of philanthropy

884
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:30,120
Speaker 3: is not raising money through other people. But I go

885
00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:32,919
Speaker 3: play music like acoustic work cure. I do it every

886
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:35,920
Speaker 3: year and except in COVID. We just race finally hit

887
00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:39,759
Speaker 3: a million dollars that we did in eight years for

888
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:42,040
Speaker 3: Children's Hospital for.

889
00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:46,799
Speaker 2: The cancer. Children that are infants that.

890
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:49,000
Speaker 3: Are born with brain tumors and they have to be

891
00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:52,200
Speaker 3: radiate it and their parents got to stay with them

892
00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:54,120
Speaker 3: for months a brand new baby. You know, you can't

893
00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:55,759
Speaker 3: just drop it off, say okay, we have to go

894
00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:57,480
Speaker 3: back to work and go home. A lot of people

895
00:43:57,520 --> 00:43:59,600
Speaker 3: come from out of town to UCSF where they have

896
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:04,120
Speaker 3: a wonderful division of gene knockemora. She's doing wonderful research

897
00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:08,880
Speaker 3: where she's dealing with the toxins of radiation and getting

898
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:11,120
Speaker 3: rid of them and getting immune system back up so

899
00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:14,720
Speaker 3: that the tumors don't come back, because otherwise radiation ninety

900
00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:18,920
Speaker 3: percent of the time tumors come back. So I'm supporting

901
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:21,960
Speaker 3: that so she can have a assistant, so she can

902
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:22,560
Speaker 3: spend more.

903
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:23,080
Speaker 2: Time in the lab.

904
00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:28,080
Speaker 3: And the money though that from this concert, then we

905
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:30,960
Speaker 3: support the parents that need a place to stay that

906
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:33,600
Speaker 3: we can't afford to stay in San Francisco for a month,

907
00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:35,759
Speaker 3: you know, say yeah you can't, I'll take care of that,

908
00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:38,920
Speaker 3: you know. So it's really grassroots stuff. That's the way

909
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:41,640
Speaker 3: I like to do it. But so far now we've

910
00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:43,520
Speaker 3: raised a million dollars one hundred thousand dollars a year.

911
00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:46,560
Speaker 3: Fifty goes to the assistant and fifty goes into the

912
00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:51,040
Speaker 3: tank to support, you know, families. So that's the way

913
00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:52,799
Speaker 3: I like to do it. I say, look, i'll play

914
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:54,440
Speaker 3: the music. We're not going to show you pictures of

915
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:56,760
Speaker 3: babies dying. We're not going to have a silent auction,

916
00:44:57,000 --> 00:44:59,160
Speaker 3: We're not going to ask for donations. You come to

917
00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:02,400
Speaker 3: the concert, Bob, we're taj Mahal joon't bias. Sammy Hagar,

918
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:07,680
Speaker 3: Chris Isaac and Mike Anthony did it this year and

919
00:45:07,719 --> 00:45:09,719
Speaker 3: it's just like it sells out in five minutes at

920
00:45:09,719 --> 00:45:13,080
Speaker 3: the Fillmore. Every penny goes except for the expenses, you know,

921
00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:13,960
Speaker 3: right to the college.

922
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:16,000
Speaker 2: And that's the way I like to do it. Man,

923
00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:17,200
Speaker 2: That is so cool. Same thing.

924
00:45:17,239 --> 00:45:19,520
Speaker 3: You open up a restaurant, Come love the food. I

925
00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:21,439
Speaker 3: guarantee the food and drink's gonna be good. You gonna

926
00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:23,600
Speaker 3: hear my music. It's gonna be the food that I eat.

927
00:45:24,239 --> 00:45:26,839
Speaker 3: And I give the money away. Don't try to give

928
00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:29,360
Speaker 3: me your money. I don't want your money because that's dangerous,

929
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:32,080
Speaker 3: you know. I mean, but if you give it away

930
00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:34,279
Speaker 3: and it got ripped off, it was a bad deal.

931
00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:34,640
Speaker 2: You know.

932
00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:37,440
Speaker 3: It's like you never know. There's there's plenty of crooks

933
00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:39,520
Speaker 3: and philanthropy folks. Let me just tell you that much

934
00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:42,600
Speaker 3: right now. It's harder to give money away than it

935
00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:45,320
Speaker 3: is to make it. How about that, Bob. That's Sammy

936
00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:49,120
Speaker 3: Hagar's philosophy. I can make money easy, giving it away

937
00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:49,760
Speaker 3: is tough.

938
00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:52,000
Speaker 2: Man. You got to make sure it's right.

939
00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:55,640
Speaker 3: You know, that would be disrespect if you gave somebody

940
00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:56,920
Speaker 3: some money for something.

941
00:45:56,680 --> 00:46:01,399
Speaker 2: Like that and they misused it. Who see, I got

942
00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:05,480
Speaker 2: to ax to grind here. There's something my dad taught me.

943
00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:07,000
Speaker 2: Maybe I learned that from my dad too.

944
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:18,440
Speaker 1: Okay for you to get into a business, you know,

945
00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:21,200
Speaker 1: I get so caught up making sure everything's right that

946
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:25,040
Speaker 1: I don't do it. So to what degree do you

947
00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:28,480
Speaker 1: vet what's going on or you just say we're going

948
00:46:28,680 --> 00:46:30,280
Speaker 1: we're going to fix the problems after.

949
00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:35,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm stupid like that. That's my downfall. I have

950
00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:38,120
Speaker 3: no downside. I can't even see a downside. When I

951
00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:40,560
Speaker 3: see a vision of a business and I see all

952
00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:42,319
Speaker 3: the way to the end of the tunnel, you know,

953
00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:44,560
Speaker 3: it's not I never just it's never. Just first thing,

954
00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:47,960
Speaker 3: I say, oh, that's a good idea, and then I say,

955
00:46:48,040 --> 00:46:49,560
Speaker 3: oh but oh.

956
00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:52,080
Speaker 2: Oh oh, oh, oh yeah, and oh man.

957
00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:54,480
Speaker 3: And then it just starts flying. And when it starts flying,

958
00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:56,719
Speaker 3: I say, somebody say, well what if what do you

959
00:46:56,719 --> 00:46:59,799
Speaker 3: mean what after? This can't lose There's no downside, you know.

960
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:03,560
Speaker 3: That's my biggest fault as a businessman. That's why I

961
00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:05,520
Speaker 3: tell people I'm not as good a businessman as you think,

962
00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:09,080
Speaker 3: because I never weigh it. I mean I was starting

963
00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:12,160
Speaker 3: to now a little bit. But I never do anything

964
00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:14,480
Speaker 3: though until I find the guy. I always find the

965
00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:17,359
Speaker 3: guy first. It's all about finding the guy to run

966
00:47:17,360 --> 00:47:19,279
Speaker 3: the business. And that's where I need to partner that

967
00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:24,520
Speaker 3: I can trust and that won't disrespect my vision. And

968
00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:29,040
Speaker 3: I've had that happen a few times. But that's the

969
00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:31,480
Speaker 3: most important thing, is finding the guy. I can't do

970
00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:34,799
Speaker 3: it every day. I just have one meeting a month

971
00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:38,600
Speaker 3: with my companies, and I just go out with the tattoos,

972
00:47:39,120 --> 00:47:41,400
Speaker 3: you know, and I get the tattoos for promotion.

973
00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:42,360
Speaker 2: I wear the shirts.

974
00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:43,800
Speaker 3: I'm not wearing one now because I didn't want to

975
00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:46,759
Speaker 3: insult you by wearing one promoting one of my businesses.

976
00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:55,800
Speaker 1: Okay, so before you got involved, it was called Cabo

977
00:47:55,960 --> 00:48:00,680
Speaker 1: San Lucas, not Cabo, and it was really sleepy. I

978
00:48:00,680 --> 00:48:02,920
Speaker 1: mean I literally think you gotta get you get credit

979
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:06,960
Speaker 1: for building up Cabo. What did you see and how

980
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:08,040
Speaker 1: did that all come together?

981
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:11,480
Speaker 3: Well, boy, Bob, that was a vision. That's a dream

982
00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:15,160
Speaker 3: I never had. Keith Richards got married down there to

983
00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:17,560
Speaker 3: Patty Hanson. I think it is her name Patty, and

984
00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:20,480
Speaker 3: they got married and I saw in People magazine a

985
00:48:20,520 --> 00:48:24,480
Speaker 3: picture at their wedding of an infinity pool with the

986
00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:27,920
Speaker 3: ocean in the background, a palm tree and a cactus,

987
00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:30,640
Speaker 3: and I went, where in the hell is that my

988
00:48:30,680 --> 00:48:34,920
Speaker 3: favorite thing? Ocean desert? You know, A palm tree man.

989
00:48:35,160 --> 00:48:38,720
Speaker 3: You know, I got a philosophy. If palm trees don't grow, Sammy,

990
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:44,400
Speaker 3: don't go. You know, I'm a beach nut. I'm a

991
00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:48,160
Speaker 3: beach nut. I love it, and I love the desert,

992
00:48:48,239 --> 00:48:51,239
Speaker 3: you know. And there they were, was, you know, and

993
00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:54,000
Speaker 3: I thought, where is this? So I went and it

994
00:48:54,040 --> 00:48:56,560
Speaker 3: was one flight in a week, one flight out a week,

995
00:48:56,600 --> 00:48:58,600
Speaker 3: you know, flew in, picked up people took him out

996
00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:01,640
Speaker 3: from San Francisco, and you know, but and then I

997
00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:05,080
Speaker 3: had a There was no phones, no TVs, no nothing.

998
00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:08,239
Speaker 3: Three hotels. I stayed at the Twin Dolphins. I fell

999
00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:11,560
Speaker 3: in love. I just fell in love. So I'd go

1000
00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:14,520
Speaker 3: there as much as I could. And I was there

1001
00:49:14,560 --> 00:49:17,160
Speaker 3: one year and I said to I made friends with

1002
00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:19,759
Speaker 3: the matri d there. That the guy that was kind

1003
00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:21,920
Speaker 3: of the bellman. He took care of everything at this

1004
00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:24,360
Speaker 3: little resort, very small resort, fifty rooms.

1005
00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:28,759
Speaker 2: And I said, hey, uh, I need to make a

1006
00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:29,239
Speaker 2: phone call.

1007
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:32,839
Speaker 3: Man. You know, somebody came down with a newspaper and

1008
00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:34,840
Speaker 3: they said the stock market had crashed.

1009
00:49:34,840 --> 00:49:36,880
Speaker 2: It was like an eight. I guess.

1010
00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:42,920
Speaker 3: Seventy nine eighty. Something had happened economically. Not that I

1011
00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:45,200
Speaker 3: was worried about my money, but I was worried, what's

1012
00:49:45,239 --> 00:49:48,960
Speaker 3: going on? You know, I heard these guys talking pool side. Yeah, man,

1013
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:50,120
Speaker 3: it's well yeah, yeah, you know.

1014
00:49:50,080 --> 00:49:50,439
Speaker 2: What I said.

1015
00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:51,680
Speaker 3: I said, hey, I want to go make phone but

1016
00:49:51,719 --> 00:49:54,760
Speaker 3: I wanted to call my my manager, my accountants or somebody.

1017
00:49:55,040 --> 00:49:56,839
Speaker 2: So he said, I got to take you into town.

1018
00:49:57,120 --> 00:49:58,160
Speaker 2: So it was a dirt rope.

1019
00:49:58,200 --> 00:49:59,880
Speaker 3: He took me into town, had to go down to

1020
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:04,800
Speaker 3: you were royals, about six miles into town. Seven miles

1021
00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:07,720
Speaker 3: into town. You go to a to the phone company.

1022
00:50:08,040 --> 00:50:10,560
Speaker 3: You gave him the money. An operator said it's going

1023
00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:12,640
Speaker 3: to cost you this much to talk for three minutes.

1024
00:50:12,680 --> 00:50:16,000
Speaker 3: I says, okay, gave her the paesos. She plug it in,

1025
00:50:16,239 --> 00:50:19,720
Speaker 3: dial it up, gave me the phone and I said, wow,

1026
00:50:19,880 --> 00:50:24,440
Speaker 3: I saw downtown. I'm going, holy shit, this face is unbelievable.

1027
00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:27,400
Speaker 3: There's nothing here. There's palapa roos. And he goes, oh,

1028
00:50:27,520 --> 00:50:29,680
Speaker 3: let's go house some tacos. I know, this great little shock.

1029
00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:33,279
Speaker 3: I mean these are shocks, no windows, no air conditioning,

1030
00:50:33,680 --> 00:50:37,200
Speaker 3: dirt floor, chickens running around. Went into this place with

1031
00:50:37,280 --> 00:50:41,200
Speaker 3: je and he goes, I said, what do you what

1032
00:50:41,239 --> 00:50:41,719
Speaker 3: are you going to have?

1033
00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:43,480
Speaker 2: He goes toyo.

1034
00:50:44,760 --> 00:50:48,840
Speaker 3: The owner of this little thing was called Gudalajara.

1035
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:50,520
Speaker 2: And he goes, Boyo, there's sickens running around.

1036
00:50:50,640 --> 00:50:53,399
Speaker 3: I swear went back and killed the damned chicken, put

1037
00:50:53,440 --> 00:50:57,239
Speaker 3: it on the grill, and I'm glad. This is unbelievable.

1038
00:50:57,280 --> 00:51:00,360
Speaker 3: You hear the chicken back there, you know. And I

1039
00:51:00,520 --> 00:51:03,440
Speaker 3: just fell a love and then another. So I made

1040
00:51:03,520 --> 00:51:06,640
Speaker 3: him take me into town. A couple other times, I'd

1041
00:51:06,680 --> 00:51:08,319
Speaker 3: come down there and stay for two weeks at a time.

1042
00:51:08,600 --> 00:51:10,680
Speaker 3: And I came in and we went right back to

1043
00:51:10,719 --> 00:51:13,800
Speaker 3: the same restaurant, and there's two little kids.

1044
00:51:14,239 --> 00:51:14,799
Speaker 2: At this time.

1045
00:51:14,840 --> 00:51:16,960
Speaker 3: You can see lands in You can look at the

1046
00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:19,279
Speaker 3: marina and nothing, no hotels, no nothing down there. There's

1047
00:51:19,480 --> 00:51:23,600
Speaker 3: hotels but Solomar and Finisteric where Keith got married.

1048
00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:24,759
Speaker 2: We're at the other end.

1049
00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:26,480
Speaker 3: So we're right there in the strip on the on

1050
00:51:26,560 --> 00:51:29,960
Speaker 3: the marina, and two little boys had a stick stuck

1051
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:33,279
Speaker 3: through swordfish eyes right through his eyes. And they were

1052
00:51:33,400 --> 00:51:36,399
Speaker 3: each had the stick and if the swordfish probably weigh

1053
00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:40,120
Speaker 3: one hundred pounds. And they were dragging it down the

1054
00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:44,239
Speaker 3: road into these little shack restaurants and they had had

1055
00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:47,280
Speaker 3: slices taken out of it, chunks was bleeding and stuff,

1056
00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:50,560
Speaker 3: you know. And I'm going, whoa. And they come by

1057
00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:53,560
Speaker 3: where we're sitting. The owner of the restaurants, Scott, starts

1058
00:51:53,560 --> 00:51:55,399
Speaker 3: talking to him and he comes to us. They said,

1059
00:51:55,440 --> 00:51:59,080
Speaker 3: you guys want Marlon said, yeah, hell yeah, cuts a

1060
00:51:59,120 --> 00:52:02,120
Speaker 3: couple slashes off, give us the kids some paesels, throws

1061
00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:04,479
Speaker 3: it on the grill. Dude, I fell in love. Didn't

1062
00:52:04,480 --> 00:52:07,480
Speaker 3: you hear a mariachi band? You're drinking shots at tequila?

1063
00:52:07,880 --> 00:52:11,239
Speaker 3: I said, I'd have found fucking paradise. And I said,

1064
00:52:11,239 --> 00:52:12,719
Speaker 3: I want to build. I want to buy a piece

1065
00:52:12,719 --> 00:52:14,680
Speaker 3: of land. I want to build a little PLoP a

1066
00:52:14,719 --> 00:52:17,360
Speaker 3: bar down here and sell real tequila because I had

1067
00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:21,479
Speaker 3: tasted real tequila and Jorge found the spot. I bought

1068
00:52:21,480 --> 00:52:24,000
Speaker 3: it for one hundred thousand dollars. I built the Cabo

1069
00:52:24,080 --> 00:52:28,600
Speaker 3: Wobble for two hundred and sixty three hundred thousand dollars

1070
00:52:29,560 --> 00:52:32,560
Speaker 3: and it makes that much a month. You know, it

1071
00:52:33,160 --> 00:52:35,840
Speaker 3: just it just was the biggest gold mine ever in

1072
00:52:35,880 --> 00:52:38,360
Speaker 3: the history. And the first three years it lost money.

1073
00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:41,200
Speaker 3: You know, it was because there was no people down there.

1074
00:52:41,200 --> 00:52:43,120
Speaker 3: You know, It's like so then they finally paved one

1075
00:52:43,120 --> 00:52:44,960
Speaker 3: of the roads, and then they put a new hotel up,

1076
00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:46,759
Speaker 3: and then they did this, and then they did that.

1077
00:52:47,239 --> 00:52:51,120
Speaker 3: And now I still Lovekabo, but it is so fricking

1078
00:52:51,680 --> 00:52:55,600
Speaker 3: here's hotel, hotel, hotel hotel. When I when I first

1079
00:52:55,680 --> 00:52:58,400
Speaker 3: went there, there was occupancy was six thousand people between

1080
00:52:58,480 --> 00:53:01,520
Speaker 3: locals and all the hotel rooms between San Jose Delcabo

1081
00:53:01,560 --> 00:53:04,600
Speaker 3: and down talk about six thousand people. Now there's half

1082
00:53:04,680 --> 00:53:08,040
Speaker 3: a million people, and it's crazy. But I still love

1083
00:53:08,080 --> 00:53:10,280
Speaker 3: the hell out of it. It was a weird vision.

1084
00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:12,520
Speaker 3: I just fell in love. It was pure passion. I

1085
00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:14,480
Speaker 3: had no idea I was ever going to make a

1086
00:53:14,480 --> 00:53:16,759
Speaker 3: penny or ever going to make tequila.

1087
00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:18,560
Speaker 2: I mean, that's a dream. I did not dream.

1088
00:53:18,880 --> 00:53:22,840
Speaker 3: That dream was never dreamt and everyone thought I was crazy.

1089
00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:29,320
Speaker 3: I broke a band up, I lost an accountant. People

1090
00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:31,440
Speaker 3: just quit on me when I was doing that project.

1091
00:53:31,440 --> 00:53:34,200
Speaker 3: You know, Van Halen were going nuts, you know, you

1092
00:53:34,760 --> 00:53:36,759
Speaker 3: they went down there and there was no phones in

1093
00:53:36,880 --> 00:53:39,760
Speaker 3: anything yet, you know. And they were staying at a hotel,

1094
00:53:39,840 --> 00:53:42,319
Speaker 3: no room service and stuff, and they were freaking out.

1095
00:53:42,320 --> 00:53:43,080
Speaker 2: They didn't like it.

1096
00:53:43,320 --> 00:53:46,400
Speaker 3: It's so funny when I think back, because now they

1097
00:53:46,440 --> 00:53:46,960
Speaker 3: would love it.

1098
00:53:47,040 --> 00:53:51,080
Speaker 1: Well legend is, and you know the truth who knows,

1099
00:53:51,120 --> 00:53:54,160
Speaker 1: because I certainly don't. Was they were invested and then

1100
00:53:54,200 --> 00:53:56,040
Speaker 1: they freaked out and got angry at you, and you

1101
00:53:56,120 --> 00:53:56,919
Speaker 1: had to buy them out.

1102
00:53:56,960 --> 00:53:58,240
Speaker 2: What really happened there.

1103
00:53:58,800 --> 00:54:02,000
Speaker 3: Well, it wasn't even a biot. We were in debt.

1104
00:54:02,360 --> 00:54:05,040
Speaker 3: The Kabbo Wobbo was in debt once again. I had

1105
00:54:05,040 --> 00:54:09,200
Speaker 3: a bad manager partner down there. It became very heavy

1106
00:54:09,200 --> 00:54:13,879
Speaker 3: into drugs and he lost everything and the government came.

1107
00:54:14,200 --> 00:54:17,080
Speaker 3: He wasn't paying the vendors. We weren't making money, but

1108
00:54:17,160 --> 00:54:19,280
Speaker 3: he wasn't. He was ordering the beer and the food

1109
00:54:19,360 --> 00:54:22,439
Speaker 3: and the but he wasn't paying anybody. So they shut

1110
00:54:22,520 --> 00:54:24,480
Speaker 3: him down. They came to put a red a yellow

1111
00:54:24,520 --> 00:54:28,880
Speaker 3: ribbon around. The government confiscated the Cobbo Wobbo. And I

1112
00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:32,040
Speaker 3: was on tour and we got I said, hey guys,

1113
00:54:32,040 --> 00:54:34,080
Speaker 3: we got to kick in some money. We owed eighty

1114
00:54:34,120 --> 00:54:38,640
Speaker 3: thousand dollars. He had about eighty thousand dollars debt, so

1115
00:54:38,800 --> 00:54:40,640
Speaker 3: I could call a friend down there, you know, hoard

1116
00:54:40,680 --> 00:54:42,520
Speaker 3: hand guys, and I said, hey, go down and see

1117
00:54:42,520 --> 00:54:44,239
Speaker 3: what's going on. I said, yeah, you got we need

1118
00:54:44,280 --> 00:54:46,600
Speaker 3: you need to pay eighty thousand dollars to get the

1119
00:54:46,680 --> 00:54:49,640
Speaker 3: keys back, you know. And the guy took off that

1120
00:54:49,840 --> 00:54:51,560
Speaker 3: was that he did it. He was out of tech.

1121
00:54:51,600 --> 00:54:55,680
Speaker 3: He just took out it. And so, uh, they said.

1122
00:54:55,480 --> 00:54:55,840
Speaker 2: Fuck you.

1123
00:54:55,960 --> 00:54:57,920
Speaker 3: This is your deal man. You're a problem man. You

1124
00:54:58,000 --> 00:55:00,960
Speaker 3: deal with it. And I said, wow, not cool. They

1125
00:55:00,960 --> 00:55:04,799
Speaker 3: said let them. They said, let them have it, let

1126
00:55:04,840 --> 00:55:06,759
Speaker 3: the government out. We don't want nothing to do with

1127
00:55:06,760 --> 00:55:09,480
Speaker 3: this anymore. They had already put in about ten twenty

1128
00:55:09,480 --> 00:55:12,279
Speaker 3: grand apiece over the years and three years every now

1129
00:55:12,320 --> 00:55:14,360
Speaker 3: and then say okay, everybody's got to kick in ten grands,

1130
00:55:14,360 --> 00:55:16,000
Speaker 3: you know, or we need twenty grand to keep the

1131
00:55:16,040 --> 00:55:19,160
Speaker 3: doors open. And they didn't like that either, but I

1132
00:55:19,200 --> 00:55:21,920
Speaker 3: didn't either. But it wasn't that much money. For God's sake.

1133
00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:25,279
Speaker 3: We're in van Hale on this days. So they said,

1134
00:55:25,320 --> 00:55:28,600
Speaker 3: let them keep it, and I said no. So I said, okay,

1135
00:55:28,760 --> 00:55:33,120
Speaker 3: I'll take it. So they indemnified, you know, maybe indemnify

1136
00:55:33,200 --> 00:55:35,240
Speaker 3: them if there was a lawsuit they'd want no trouble,

1137
00:55:35,719 --> 00:55:41,440
Speaker 3: so they gave it to me and it was yeah,

1138
00:55:41,880 --> 00:55:44,919
Speaker 3: it really it really put it. Then when it took off,

1139
00:55:45,040 --> 00:55:47,560
Speaker 3: like a year later, it started really the town grew.

1140
00:55:48,040 --> 00:55:49,480
Speaker 3: You know, Ednall are going.

1141
00:55:49,600 --> 00:55:50,279
Speaker 2: You fuck her?

1142
00:55:50,480 --> 00:55:54,719
Speaker 3: You know you you ran it into the ground so

1143
00:55:54,760 --> 00:55:56,439
Speaker 3: that you could get it back from us. And I'm going,

1144
00:55:57,000 --> 00:56:00,400
Speaker 3: you guys, if I was smarter, I wouldn't. I wouldn't

1145
00:56:00,400 --> 00:56:01,040
Speaker 3: need you guys.

1146
00:56:01,120 --> 00:56:01,319
Speaker 2: Man.

1147
00:56:01,760 --> 00:56:04,040
Speaker 3: You know, it was like god, it just really got it.

1148
00:56:04,360 --> 00:56:06,600
Speaker 3: They got really angry about that when it started really

1149
00:56:06,640 --> 00:56:09,479
Speaker 3: becoming popular. You know, people would we'd be on tour

1150
00:56:09,520 --> 00:56:11,880
Speaker 3: and uh and people would come see us in a

1151
00:56:11,880 --> 00:56:14,360
Speaker 3: hotel say, oh, man, we loved the kabba wabble. We

1152
00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:16,360
Speaker 3: were there, o man, so fucking great. And they'd be like,

1153
00:56:18,080 --> 00:56:21,080
Speaker 3: you know, so because trouble. It didn't I didn't say

1154
00:56:21,080 --> 00:56:22,759
Speaker 3: it broke the band up, but it didn't help. But

1155
00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:26,520
Speaker 3: keep things, you know, with my divorce coming up after

1156
00:56:26,560 --> 00:56:28,920
Speaker 3: that and all that that, you know, the band just

1157
00:56:29,440 --> 00:56:32,959
Speaker 3: and Leffler died and then that band was over.

1158
00:56:33,600 --> 00:56:36,680
Speaker 1: You know, tell me about starting the Tequila.

1159
00:56:38,480 --> 00:56:42,120
Speaker 3: Well, when I first went to Cabo, the first thing

1160
00:56:42,160 --> 00:56:44,440
Speaker 3: it happened to me, it was I had a real margarite,

1161
00:56:44,480 --> 00:56:47,400
Speaker 3: a hand squeeze line good fresh sea salt on the

1162
00:56:47,480 --> 00:56:56,080
Speaker 3: rim control, uh, and real tequila. And I said, man,

1163
00:56:56,840 --> 00:56:59,480
Speaker 3: before that I was I never really had a real marguerite,

1164
00:56:59,480 --> 00:57:02,359
Speaker 3: you know, mixer, you know, and uh, it blew my mind.

1165
00:57:02,360 --> 00:57:03,680
Speaker 3: I said, this is the best speaker I've ever had

1166
00:57:03,719 --> 00:57:06,160
Speaker 3: in my life. What's in it? Blah blah blah blah

1167
00:57:06,160 --> 00:57:08,359
Speaker 3: blah blah. Oh, let me see that tequila. And it

1168
00:57:08,400 --> 00:57:11,120
Speaker 3: was just some you know, one hundred percent of goby tequila.

1169
00:57:11,160 --> 00:57:12,840
Speaker 3: I don't even know what it was. At that time,

1170
00:57:13,040 --> 00:57:15,360
Speaker 3: there were no one hundred percent of goby tequilas in America.

1171
00:57:15,440 --> 00:57:18,040
Speaker 3: There was every everything was meek. Still, it's fifty one

1172
00:57:18,080 --> 00:57:20,600
Speaker 3: percent tequila, forty nine percent whatever you want to put

1173
00:57:20,600 --> 00:57:22,400
Speaker 3: in there to make it, make it brown, make it

1174
00:57:22,440 --> 00:57:26,000
Speaker 3: look like it's aged, and make it sweet and make it,

1175
00:57:26,160 --> 00:57:29,440
Speaker 3: you know whatever. Anyway, the headache stuff, so you know,

1176
00:57:29,480 --> 00:57:33,520
Speaker 3: I had that disease like everyone else. You you know, Oh,

1177
00:57:33,560 --> 00:57:35,360
Speaker 3: I can't drink tequila. No, it's I had the worst

1178
00:57:35,400 --> 00:57:36,800
Speaker 3: hangover in my life on tequila.

1179
00:57:36,840 --> 00:57:37,120
Speaker 2: Don't know.

1180
00:57:37,200 --> 00:57:38,760
Speaker 3: Thanks, you know, then all of a sudden I taste

1181
00:57:38,800 --> 00:57:40,440
Speaker 3: pure a hundred percent of goby Tica. I go, man,

1182
00:57:40,480 --> 00:57:42,480
Speaker 3: I've never had anything like this. I never had a

1183
00:57:42,480 --> 00:57:45,320
Speaker 3: margarita like this. So I was getting ready to look

1184
00:57:45,400 --> 00:57:48,560
Speaker 3: to buy a condo. So I finally built a condo

1185
00:57:48,720 --> 00:57:50,600
Speaker 3: unit down here. The roads were still dirt and everything.

1186
00:57:50,640 --> 00:57:53,400
Speaker 3: So I was going to go buy this condo. And

1187
00:57:53,480 --> 00:57:56,560
Speaker 3: I said, uh uh, while we're in Gualajara, let's we

1188
00:57:56,600 --> 00:57:59,280
Speaker 3: were starting construction on the coppoll. Let's go to Gualajara

1189
00:57:59,280 --> 00:58:02,320
Speaker 3: and let's look at furniture because it's really cool, artistic town.

1190
00:58:02,680 --> 00:58:04,840
Speaker 3: Gualahara has got some of the coolest shops. It's like

1191
00:58:04,920 --> 00:58:11,040
Speaker 3: Rodeo Drive, but it's of Mexico. And I so Guy said,

1192
00:58:11,080 --> 00:58:14,080
Speaker 3: let's go to Tequila Horterhay, my partner who's still my partner,

1193
00:58:14,120 --> 00:58:16,320
Speaker 3: by the way, who still runs the cantina, who's still

1194
00:58:16,320 --> 00:58:19,240
Speaker 3: you know, he's he's rich now too, from a bellman.

1195
00:58:19,560 --> 00:58:21,560
Speaker 3: I told him you're going to be my partner, and

1196
00:58:21,600 --> 00:58:25,880
Speaker 3: he never fucked me. We're still partners. It's a beautiful story.

1197
00:58:25,880 --> 00:58:28,560
Speaker 3: I mean, I love him and his family. Without him,

1198
00:58:28,600 --> 00:58:30,920
Speaker 3: I wouldn't wouldn't have made it through all that. So

1199
00:58:32,080 --> 00:58:34,320
Speaker 3: he said, let's go to Gualahara. I've said, friends there,

1200
00:58:34,400 --> 00:58:37,360
Speaker 3: let's take us for some tequila tastings. So I went

1201
00:58:38,000 --> 00:58:40,120
Speaker 3: and I saw what tequila, how it's made, and I

1202
00:58:40,160 --> 00:58:42,840
Speaker 3: saw rila gave and I saw him cooking it, and

1203
00:58:42,880 --> 00:58:45,360
Speaker 3: I saw him doing all this stuff, and we stayed

1204
00:58:45,360 --> 00:58:48,200
Speaker 3: and we so we stayed there a few days, and

1205
00:58:48,360 --> 00:58:50,000
Speaker 3: I said, I want to start my own tequila. I'm

1206
00:58:50,040 --> 00:58:53,160
Speaker 3: going to make Cacabo wabble tequila. And we went around,

1207
00:58:53,360 --> 00:58:55,760
Speaker 3: went back. I had an airplane at that time, a

1208
00:58:55,760 --> 00:58:59,000
Speaker 3: small plane, but you know, a turboprop that I used

1209
00:58:59,040 --> 00:59:00,840
Speaker 3: to take down there. So we fly straight over to

1210
00:59:00,840 --> 00:59:03,320
Speaker 3: Gualajara and spend a few days and fly back. And

1211
00:59:03,480 --> 00:59:08,520
Speaker 3: I had my condo and we we went around knocking

1212
00:59:08,560 --> 00:59:13,880
Speaker 3: on doors, and one family said, yeah, we'll we'll make

1213
00:59:13,920 --> 00:59:16,840
Speaker 3: tequila for you, bring us to bottles. And I'm going, oh,

1214
00:59:17,520 --> 00:59:20,040
Speaker 3: you know, I was tasting all these tequilas. I mean

1215
00:59:20,080 --> 00:59:23,040
Speaker 3: it was take your ivan bottle, dump the water out,

1216
00:59:23,320 --> 00:59:24,960
Speaker 3: take it out of their barrel, or take it right

1217
00:59:25,000 --> 00:59:26,760
Speaker 3: out of their bottle, and they'd let you taste it.

1218
00:59:26,800 --> 00:59:28,280
Speaker 2: I mean it was like that primitive.

1219
00:59:28,320 --> 00:59:31,800
Speaker 3: These were farmers that were growing their gave and made

1220
00:59:31,840 --> 00:59:34,960
Speaker 3: their own little private stash of about twenty cases a

1221
00:59:35,040 --> 00:59:38,120
Speaker 3: year for their family and their parties, and they sold

1222
00:59:38,160 --> 00:59:39,960
Speaker 3: all the agabe. So I said, well, I want you

1223
00:59:40,000 --> 00:59:41,680
Speaker 3: to make me tequila because that's the best tequila ever

1224
00:59:41,720 --> 00:59:44,440
Speaker 3: tasted in my life. And it was El Vahito who

1225
00:59:44,480 --> 00:59:47,360
Speaker 3: now makes Santo. I went back to them after I

1226
00:59:47,440 --> 00:59:51,000
Speaker 3: sold it because they changed it. So anyway, long story short,

1227
00:59:52,120 --> 00:59:55,040
Speaker 3: I said. They said, bring us bottles. So I said, hoory, hey,

1228
00:59:55,080 --> 00:59:56,200
Speaker 3: where are we going to get littles? Said?

1229
00:59:56,200 --> 00:59:56,840
Speaker 2: Oh, I got a friend.

1230
00:59:57,080 --> 00:59:58,840
Speaker 3: So I went to this bottle place with the hand

1231
00:59:58,840 --> 01:00:02,160
Speaker 3: blue fricking bottles and I saw blue them. I said, yeah,

1232
01:00:02,240 --> 01:00:07,040
Speaker 3: let's do the blue bottom. Okay, hand blown great glass

1233
01:00:07,040 --> 01:00:09,080
Speaker 3: in the bottom. It could cut your freaking hand on right.

1234
01:00:09,480 --> 01:00:11,960
Speaker 3: And they were not perfect, all of them. I took

1235
01:00:12,000 --> 01:00:14,120
Speaker 3: a case of bottles. They filled them up for me,

1236
01:00:14,200 --> 01:00:17,080
Speaker 3: put corks in them, and I brought them back to

1237
01:00:17,240 --> 01:00:22,440
Speaker 3: the cantinas and they were sending me samples, and pretty

1238
01:00:22,440 --> 01:00:25,080
Speaker 3: soon we bought these little barrels and put them all

1239
01:00:25,080 --> 01:00:27,560
Speaker 3: in the cantina when it first opened, and they and

1240
01:00:27,600 --> 01:00:30,360
Speaker 3: they sent me samples and like gas line can, like

1241
01:00:30,400 --> 01:00:33,040
Speaker 3: five gallon gas line can of tequila had sent it

1242
01:00:33,280 --> 01:00:35,080
Speaker 3: and we'd pour it into the barrels and serve it

1243
01:00:35,440 --> 01:00:37,680
Speaker 3: out of the barrels in. After six months you had

1244
01:00:37,680 --> 01:00:40,600
Speaker 3: a reprisodo. After four months you had a ripissoda. And

1245
01:00:40,920 --> 01:00:44,440
Speaker 3: it was just so good. It was unbelievable, handmade tequila,

1246
01:00:44,600 --> 01:00:47,000
Speaker 3: the biggest fat ripe of gobvis is. Before there was

1247
01:00:47,000 --> 01:00:49,600
Speaker 3: a shortage like now, I mean you get Gobby's this

1248
01:00:49,680 --> 01:00:53,480
Speaker 3: big if you're lucky, and so it was like unbelievable.

1249
01:00:54,120 --> 01:00:57,919
Speaker 3: It exploded, and Andrew Diaz Blue tasted it and said

1250
01:00:58,120 --> 01:01:00,560
Speaker 3: this A wrote a story in a mag Sea said

1251
01:01:00,560 --> 01:01:03,360
Speaker 3: this is one of the three best tequilas in the world,

1252
01:01:03,880 --> 01:01:09,880
Speaker 3: Kabawa and and all of a sudden, phones ringing, Wilson Daniels,

1253
01:01:10,440 --> 01:01:14,760
Speaker 3: you know, the DRC guys calling me saying we want to,

1254
01:01:15,400 --> 01:01:17,240
Speaker 3: you know, import your tequila. And I'm going, wow, I

1255
01:01:17,280 --> 01:01:18,880
Speaker 3: don't even know what to do here, you know. So

1256
01:01:18,880 --> 01:01:21,360
Speaker 3: it called Shep Gordon. You know, Shep Gordon is the

1257
01:01:21,360 --> 01:01:25,160
Speaker 3: biggest brain at that you know for me, Shep Gordon's

1258
01:01:25,160 --> 01:01:27,320
Speaker 3: got one of the most he thinks more out of

1259
01:01:27,320 --> 01:01:27,880
Speaker 3: the boxing name.

1260
01:01:28,120 --> 01:01:29,920
Speaker 2: So I called chef Shep. Here's what's going on? What

1261
01:01:29,960 --> 01:01:30,440
Speaker 2: am I gonna do?

1262
01:01:30,760 --> 01:01:30,880
Speaker 1: Well?

1263
01:01:30,960 --> 01:01:32,760
Speaker 3: Send me let me taste of tequila. I send a

1264
01:01:32,760 --> 01:01:34,280
Speaker 3: note Willie Nelson tastes it.

1265
01:01:34,320 --> 01:01:34,560
Speaker 2: He goes.

1266
01:01:34,600 --> 01:01:37,360
Speaker 3: Willie says, it's fucking good. I said, shep goes, I

1267
01:01:37,400 --> 01:01:38,280
Speaker 3: never had tequila.

1268
01:01:38,360 --> 01:01:41,160
Speaker 2: I'm going. Willie says, it's good. You know, it's fucking good.

1269
01:01:41,760 --> 01:01:46,440
Speaker 3: So so we I had to find another bottling company.

1270
01:01:46,480 --> 01:01:47,080
Speaker 2: I hired a.

1271
01:01:47,040 --> 01:01:52,320
Speaker 3: Guy in Gualajara, a guy named Julio escandone who's passed now,

1272
01:01:52,360 --> 01:01:54,760
Speaker 3: but he he said, I'll take care of everything down here.

1273
01:01:54,760 --> 01:01:56,840
Speaker 3: I'll get you the better bottles and we'll take him

1274
01:01:57,000 --> 01:02:00,760
Speaker 3: deliver them to the place. And and pretty soon the

1275
01:02:00,760 --> 01:02:04,480
Speaker 3: they're making six thousand cases of kaba waba and they're going, whoa.

1276
01:02:04,600 --> 01:02:06,920
Speaker 3: The farmers are going, man, were like rich, you know,

1277
01:02:07,320 --> 01:02:10,640
Speaker 3: and I'm going, yeah, this is awesome. And then the

1278
01:02:10,720 --> 01:02:15,000
Speaker 3: next year we had thirty seven thousand case order and

1279
01:02:15,080 --> 01:02:17,400
Speaker 3: because the tequila just exploded, not because of me, it

1280
01:02:17,520 --> 01:02:20,440
Speaker 3: just a patron came out and I was right behind him.

1281
01:02:20,920 --> 01:02:25,760
Speaker 3: So it was amazing that this little factory, I mean,

1282
01:02:25,760 --> 01:02:28,960
Speaker 3: these said little farmers that had a small little distillery,

1283
01:02:29,200 --> 01:02:31,000
Speaker 3: they grew right with me. They said, oh no, we'll

1284
01:02:31,040 --> 01:02:33,000
Speaker 3: do it, we'll do it, we'll do it. They bought

1285
01:02:33,040 --> 01:02:35,440
Speaker 3: bigger tanks. They you know, they hired they got a

1286
01:02:35,480 --> 01:02:38,760
Speaker 3: truck instead of honestly they had horseback and fucking carts.

1287
01:02:38,800 --> 01:02:42,200
Speaker 3: You know, they said they bought a truck. And I

1288
01:02:42,240 --> 01:02:44,959
Speaker 3: was in the tequila business and it exploded. I made

1289
01:02:45,000 --> 01:02:49,320
Speaker 3: money the first frigging second year. I started making money,

1290
01:02:49,400 --> 01:02:53,160
Speaker 3: huge profits, like you know, hundreds of thousands of dollars,

1291
01:02:53,360 --> 01:02:56,760
Speaker 3: and then millions and millions of dollars, and it was like, wow,

1292
01:02:57,640 --> 01:03:01,960
Speaker 3: it just exploded. I ever seen a luckier guy in

1293
01:03:02,000 --> 01:03:04,200
Speaker 3: my life. That's where I say the dream. I never

1294
01:03:04,280 --> 01:03:07,640
Speaker 3: dreamt the whole Cobo thing. It just was like, thank you,

1295
01:03:07,760 --> 01:03:12,000
Speaker 3: Keith Richards. I still haven't met I met Keith, but

1296
01:03:12,120 --> 01:03:14,600
Speaker 3: not in a situation where I've been able to talk

1297
01:03:14,600 --> 01:03:15,480
Speaker 3: to him about this.

1298
01:03:15,960 --> 01:03:19,400
Speaker 2: Dude, I owe you. What do you want from me?

1299
01:03:19,840 --> 01:03:23,160
Speaker 3: You know, I'll send you down there and give you

1300
01:03:23,240 --> 01:03:25,640
Speaker 3: the penthouse sweet for as long as you want it,

1301
01:03:25,680 --> 01:03:28,760
Speaker 3: you know, And he doesn't need my money, but I

1302
01:03:28,840 --> 01:03:29,560
Speaker 3: owe that man.

1303
01:03:30,880 --> 01:03:34,800
Speaker 1: Okay, So you had the company, you built it up,

1304
01:03:35,240 --> 01:03:38,840
Speaker 1: you supposedly sold it for one hundred million dollars. Usually

1305
01:03:38,880 --> 01:03:42,840
Speaker 1: there's a non compete, but now you're making tequila again

1306
01:03:43,040 --> 01:03:46,400
Speaker 1: and run too. So explain what's going on here.

1307
01:03:47,960 --> 01:03:50,680
Speaker 3: Well, when I sold it, I did sell it for

1308
01:03:50,720 --> 01:03:53,000
Speaker 3: one hundred million dollars, but I only sold eighty percent

1309
01:03:53,040 --> 01:03:56,040
Speaker 3: of it, so I only got eighty million dollars. And

1310
01:03:56,080 --> 01:03:59,520
Speaker 3: then I sold the twenty percent back to them five

1311
01:03:59,560 --> 01:04:01,680
Speaker 3: years later because it wasn't the kind of deal that

1312
01:04:01,760 --> 01:04:04,919
Speaker 3: I thought was going to be right, and it postponed

1313
01:04:04,960 --> 01:04:07,720
Speaker 3: me from being able to make tequila again. And I

1314
01:04:07,840 --> 01:04:11,000
Speaker 3: tell you, I got hooked on this game. It's really

1315
01:04:11,160 --> 01:04:12,760
Speaker 3: really fun and exciting.

1316
01:04:13,080 --> 01:04:13,520
Speaker 2: It's so.

1317
01:04:15,400 --> 01:04:19,200
Speaker 3: Organic and holistic, the way the process they make tequila

1318
01:04:19,440 --> 01:04:21,760
Speaker 3: reel together. Now, these people put everything in all these

1319
01:04:21,760 --> 01:04:24,720
Speaker 3: preserves and crapit, tequila, there's not There's only like seven

1320
01:04:25,000 --> 01:04:27,120
Speaker 3: natural tequilas on the market right now. I think In

1321
01:04:27,880 --> 01:04:31,760
Speaker 3: Santo's one of them, and that real tequila's made the

1322
01:04:31,760 --> 01:04:33,920
Speaker 3: real way. We don't put sugar in it because we

1323
01:04:34,000 --> 01:04:36,600
Speaker 3: use greenagabe. You know, we just wait till the agave

1324
01:04:36,800 --> 01:04:39,080
Speaker 3: is big enough and we you know, we pay more

1325
01:04:39,120 --> 01:04:41,360
Speaker 3: for it and all that stuff trim it properly. But

1326
01:04:41,440 --> 01:04:43,600
Speaker 3: that's a long story about the process of making. But anyway,

1327
01:04:43,960 --> 01:04:47,320
Speaker 3: I loved it so much that I just no matter

1328
01:04:47,440 --> 01:04:49,479
Speaker 3: I said, I got all this money. What the fuck

1329
01:04:49,600 --> 01:04:52,000
Speaker 3: am I doing? I just stuck in the bank. I

1330
01:04:52,040 --> 01:04:54,919
Speaker 3: started a foundation. Okay, yeah, I started giving money away.

1331
01:04:54,960 --> 01:04:57,120
Speaker 3: I helped a lot of people. But I'm still saying

1332
01:04:57,120 --> 01:05:00,720
Speaker 3: my lifestyle hasn't changed. So I bought an airplace, you know,

1333
01:05:00,800 --> 01:05:05,520
Speaker 3: the biggest purchase I've ever made in my life, you know,

1334
01:05:05,960 --> 01:05:08,400
Speaker 3: A big airplane, A nice airplane, beautiful airplane. Take my

1335
01:05:08,440 --> 01:05:11,880
Speaker 3: whole band in my family, go on tour. That was

1336
01:05:11,960 --> 01:05:13,840
Speaker 3: my only thing I did other than that. I didn't

1337
01:05:13,840 --> 01:05:15,600
Speaker 3: buy a new house. I already had houses. I didn't

1338
01:05:15,600 --> 01:05:18,400
Speaker 3: buy a new new Ferraris. I did, but I mean

1339
01:05:18,480 --> 01:05:20,520
Speaker 3: I would have anyway. You know, when the La Ferrari

1340
01:05:20,600 --> 01:05:23,040
Speaker 3: came in, I had to have that car. So long

1341
01:05:23,080 --> 01:05:26,560
Speaker 3: story short, it was like I thought, I liked the game,

1342
01:05:27,280 --> 01:05:28,360
Speaker 3: I don't like the money.

1343
01:05:28,560 --> 01:05:30,080
Speaker 2: You know, I'm having more fun with the game than

1344
01:05:30,120 --> 01:05:30,800
Speaker 2: with the money. You know.

1345
01:05:31,120 --> 01:05:33,840
Speaker 3: So I already had enough money, So it was really

1346
01:05:33,840 --> 01:05:37,840
Speaker 3: a strange thing to have that feeling where I really now,

1347
01:05:37,880 --> 01:05:40,960
Speaker 3: I don't have the need. I'm not money hungry anymore,

1348
01:05:41,000 --> 01:05:44,320
Speaker 3: you know, from being poor, so that there's life changing.

1349
01:05:44,960 --> 01:05:46,880
Speaker 3: So I sold it back to them so I could

1350
01:05:47,120 --> 01:05:49,320
Speaker 3: do a non compete. The non compete would end in

1351
01:05:49,360 --> 01:05:52,040
Speaker 3: five years. But in the meantime, I started a rum company,

1352
01:05:52,080 --> 01:05:55,480
Speaker 3: Sammy's Beach bar Room in Hawaii. And this was my

1353
01:05:55,600 --> 01:05:59,080
Speaker 3: big stupid idea that I still make the rum, but

1354
01:05:59,120 --> 01:06:01,560
Speaker 3: I had to move to Porter. I was making rum

1355
01:06:01,760 --> 01:06:05,840
Speaker 3: from cane in Maui. Okay, Maloi property. How much Maui

1356
01:06:05,880 --> 01:06:09,520
Speaker 3: property is worth, So sugar cane is like a weed.

1357
01:06:10,200 --> 01:06:12,520
Speaker 3: And I was They had these sugar cane farms, and

1358
01:06:12,560 --> 01:06:15,120
Speaker 3: I was supporting all this because they cut the sugar

1359
01:06:15,160 --> 01:06:17,720
Speaker 3: cane down. Take it down to the old C and

1360
01:06:17,840 --> 01:06:20,959
Speaker 3: H sugar factory, which had left one little department open

1361
01:06:21,040 --> 01:06:24,880
Speaker 3: for me, so that they could make you know, sugar

1362
01:06:24,960 --> 01:06:28,120
Speaker 3: out of the cane, drive it back up, make a

1363
01:06:28,240 --> 01:06:33,480
Speaker 3: handmade rum in Hawaii. White rum that costs by the

1364
01:06:33,520 --> 01:06:37,040
Speaker 3: time it hit the market was like forty nine dollars

1365
01:06:37,080 --> 01:06:39,400
Speaker 3: a bottle. When you can buy a bottle of white rum,

1366
01:06:40,240 --> 01:06:45,080
Speaker 3: you know Bacardi or any of the rum's white rum,

1367
01:06:45,120 --> 01:06:46,920
Speaker 3: you can buy a bottle for like nine dollars, and

1368
01:06:46,960 --> 01:06:49,960
Speaker 3: mine was like forty nine dollars. And people say, well,

1369
01:06:50,040 --> 01:06:51,960
Speaker 3: nobody drinks white rum. But I thought I was going

1370
01:06:52,000 --> 01:06:54,480
Speaker 3: to elevate rum the way I elevated tequila because see,

1371
01:06:54,480 --> 01:06:56,640
Speaker 3: I was making real tequila that people say, oh wow,

1372
01:06:56,800 --> 01:06:58,640
Speaker 3: this is better than any tequila have ever drank. Well,

1373
01:06:58,680 --> 01:07:00,280
Speaker 3: my rum is better than ay rum you drink. But

1374
01:07:00,560 --> 01:07:02,880
Speaker 3: nobody was wanting to pay forty nine dollars for it.

1375
01:07:03,160 --> 01:07:05,800
Speaker 3: I wasn't getting it in the well, and and so

1376
01:07:06,040 --> 01:07:09,000
Speaker 3: I said I had to move. It started getting more

1377
01:07:09,040 --> 01:07:12,520
Speaker 3: and more expensive. It'd be seventy dollars now. I moved

1378
01:07:12,520 --> 01:07:16,200
Speaker 3: it to Puerto Rico, where the real cane, you know, grows,

1379
01:07:16,320 --> 01:07:20,520
Speaker 3: and they make rum much less expensive and it's not

1380
01:07:20,600 --> 01:07:23,560
Speaker 3: as good, but it's still better than the competition because

1381
01:07:23,680 --> 01:07:26,440
Speaker 3: once again, I don't cut corners. I'm not having to

1382
01:07:26,440 --> 01:07:28,600
Speaker 3: meet margins like, oh well, well we got to raise

1383
01:07:28,600 --> 01:07:31,000
Speaker 3: our price because it cane. It just went up. No, no,

1384
01:07:31,280 --> 01:07:33,800
Speaker 3: just you know, I just won't make as much. It's okay,

1385
01:07:33,880 --> 01:07:36,479
Speaker 3: you know. I want to make the best cane, best rum.

1386
01:07:36,520 --> 01:07:38,280
Speaker 3: I don't want to use dirty cane. I don't want

1387
01:07:38,320 --> 01:07:40,360
Speaker 3: to use old caine. I don't want to add you know,

1388
01:07:40,640 --> 01:07:43,840
Speaker 3: molasses and things to it. So anyway, long story short

1389
01:07:43,840 --> 01:07:45,640
Speaker 3: of got in the rum business, which is not like

1390
01:07:45,680 --> 01:07:48,520
Speaker 3: the tequila business. The rum business has never exploded. It

1391
01:07:48,560 --> 01:07:52,640
Speaker 3: exploded like in the twenties. I miss I missed that ride,

1392
01:07:52,680 --> 01:07:56,360
Speaker 3: you know. So my rum company, yeah, it breaks even

1393
01:07:56,400 --> 01:07:59,720
Speaker 3: it you know, makes a couple thousand dollars here and there,

1394
01:07:59,800 --> 01:08:02,680
Speaker 3: but it's really not a It's just a labor of love.

1395
01:08:02,760 --> 01:08:06,160
Speaker 3: And I refuse to quit, you know. So I thought, well,

1396
01:08:06,280 --> 01:08:09,919
Speaker 3: I'm going to make these cocktails now. So I've made now,

1397
01:08:09,960 --> 01:08:12,440
Speaker 3: I with the trying to keep the rum thing alive,

1398
01:08:12,640 --> 01:08:16,639
Speaker 3: I made Sammy's Beach Bar cocktails pure Rum, pure sparkling

1399
01:08:16,720 --> 01:08:20,240
Speaker 3: rum ward winning gold medal Rum. Sammy's Beach Bar Rum

1400
01:08:20,280 --> 01:08:24,040
Speaker 3: is in those cocktails. Everyone else just puts generic alcohol

1401
01:08:24,080 --> 01:08:26,680
Speaker 3: in those cocktails. You know, they were beer originally, they

1402
01:08:26,720 --> 01:08:29,160
Speaker 3: put beer based, and they put wine based. And I

1403
01:08:29,320 --> 01:08:32,920
Speaker 3: was the first guy to make spirit based. And I thought, well,

1404
01:08:32,920 --> 01:08:36,000
Speaker 3: I'm on top of this. And during COVID, I'm doing

1405
01:08:36,000 --> 01:08:38,639
Speaker 3: all this right. So it's going slow, slow, you know,

1406
01:08:38,439 --> 01:08:41,479
Speaker 3: in mail order and phone calls and zooms.

1407
01:08:41,960 --> 01:08:42,840
Speaker 2: Get it all done.

1408
01:08:43,200 --> 01:08:48,200
Speaker 3: COVID in is and about fifty friggin the big boys

1409
01:08:48,280 --> 01:08:50,960
Speaker 3: came out with the cocktails now and the cans. You know,

1410
01:08:51,280 --> 01:08:53,160
Speaker 3: but they still don't use the good rum. They still

1411
01:08:53,160 --> 01:08:55,839
Speaker 3: don't use the good noun. And there's no artificial flavors,

1412
01:08:55,840 --> 01:08:58,720
Speaker 3: no artificial colors. Mine's the best, the best of the best,

1413
01:08:58,840 --> 01:09:01,800
Speaker 3: and that's way I like to do things. But the

1414
01:09:02,200 --> 01:09:04,679
Speaker 3: division exploded. I mean, these guys came out spending forty

1415
01:09:04,720 --> 01:09:09,240
Speaker 3: million dollars on a launch, you know, for Super Bowl

1416
01:09:09,320 --> 01:09:13,320
Speaker 3: ad for whoever came out with that limon one a

1417
01:09:13,360 --> 01:09:15,080
Speaker 3: smear and offer somebody anyway. You know, all the big

1418
01:09:15,120 --> 01:09:17,320
Speaker 3: boys came out all around me and they're crushing me.

1419
01:09:17,600 --> 01:09:20,440
Speaker 3: But I'm just keep my head above water. But my tequila.

1420
01:09:20,439 --> 01:09:22,880
Speaker 3: I went back to the same Elva Eito guy when

1421
01:09:23,320 --> 01:09:27,479
Speaker 3: the don compete, and I made mesquila, the world's first mesquila.

1422
01:09:27,520 --> 01:09:30,840
Speaker 3: Everyone was drinking mescal. It's the hip is saying, oh, mescal, mescal.

1423
01:09:31,280 --> 01:09:33,880
Speaker 3: I went to down to Oahaka and went to every

1424
01:09:33,920 --> 01:09:37,680
Speaker 3: mescal maker, the rarest ones, the most expensive ones, and

1425
01:09:37,760 --> 01:09:39,800
Speaker 3: I can't drink more than one shot of that stuff,

1426
01:09:39,800 --> 01:09:41,320
Speaker 3: and man, you feel like I smoked a cigar and

1427
01:09:41,360 --> 01:09:44,640
Speaker 3: licked the ashtray afterwards. So I said, I want to

1428
01:09:44,640 --> 01:09:47,960
Speaker 3: tone this down and I wanted to mix it with tequila,

1429
01:09:48,439 --> 01:09:51,200
Speaker 3: and everyone said, you can't do it. It's either mescal

1430
01:09:51,240 --> 01:09:54,559
Speaker 3: the made in Ohaka or tequila made in Jalisco, and

1431
01:09:54,600 --> 01:09:56,639
Speaker 3: I said, well, what do you mean we can blend them.

1432
01:09:56,800 --> 01:09:59,280
Speaker 3: The government said, no, you can't. That's illegal. There's no

1433
01:09:59,320 --> 01:10:02,400
Speaker 3: such thing. As I said, it's misquilla. I'm gonna call

1434
01:10:02,400 --> 01:10:06,479
Speaker 3: it misquilla. I fought for a year, hired lawyers, nothing.

1435
01:10:06,560 --> 01:10:06,880
Speaker 2: Nothing.

1436
01:10:07,479 --> 01:10:12,759
Speaker 3: Finally, my distiller, my old cobbo wobble Guy el Vehito,

1437
01:10:12,840 --> 01:10:16,000
Speaker 3: who makes Santo for me, he said, look, I can

1438
01:10:16,120 --> 01:10:16,960
Speaker 3: do it off premise.

1439
01:10:17,000 --> 01:10:18,320
Speaker 2: I can't do it my distillery.

1440
01:10:18,840 --> 01:10:21,760
Speaker 3: I said, okay, So we bring a truck truckload of

1441
01:10:21,920 --> 01:10:25,840
Speaker 3: the scallop from Wahaka. He goes to this little shack

1442
01:10:26,400 --> 01:10:29,360
Speaker 3: on the outskirts of Jalisco and blends it. And now

1443
01:10:29,520 --> 01:10:31,720
Speaker 3: they say it's okay, it's but I can't trademark it.

1444
01:10:31,720 --> 01:10:34,200
Speaker 3: And I said, okay, okay, so it's misquilla, but you

1445
01:10:34,240 --> 01:10:37,040
Speaker 3: can't trademark the name. It's like Kleenex, you know, It's

1446
01:10:37,080 --> 01:10:40,240
Speaker 3: like everybody calls a Kleenex, no matter what the brand is.

1447
01:10:40,479 --> 01:10:42,920
Speaker 3: So anyone can do it now, and a few people

1448
01:10:42,960 --> 01:10:45,360
Speaker 3: are doing it. But but it was the first blend.

1449
01:10:45,439 --> 01:10:48,720
Speaker 3: And then Guy Fieri comes knocking on my door seeing me.

1450
01:10:48,800 --> 01:10:51,080
Speaker 3: I thought, you said, next time you started it's a

1451
01:10:51,080 --> 01:10:53,760
Speaker 3: tequila company. You were going to make me your partner, man,

1452
01:10:54,000 --> 01:10:56,360
Speaker 3: you know what the fuck here's I said, Oh well,

1453
01:10:56,360 --> 01:10:59,439
Speaker 3: I forgot because I did, you know. So we had

1454
01:10:58,479 --> 01:11:01,280
Speaker 3: a we had a shake over the phone, and he said,

1455
01:11:01,280 --> 01:11:03,360
Speaker 3: now let's make real fucking tequila. I want to make

1456
01:11:04,040 --> 01:11:07,360
Speaker 3: Blanco Reposanto and a Yeho And we just are releasing

1457
01:11:07,400 --> 01:11:10,040
Speaker 3: our in Yeho right now because we put it in

1458
01:11:10,080 --> 01:11:12,760
Speaker 3: barrels and we aged it, write and we did everything right, Bob.

1459
01:11:12,760 --> 01:11:14,439
Speaker 3: I could go on and on. This would be this

1460
01:11:14,560 --> 01:11:17,000
Speaker 3: whole interview could be about the tequila business.

1461
01:11:17,000 --> 01:11:17,360
Speaker 2: It's so.

1462
01:11:18,920 --> 01:11:22,240
Speaker 3: It's so crazy, it exploded, and everybody and his dog

1463
01:11:22,320 --> 01:11:26,040
Speaker 3: has a tequila, but they have dog tequilas. The difference

1464
01:11:26,040 --> 01:11:29,600
Speaker 3: between a pure real tequila and the one things that

1465
01:11:29,640 --> 01:11:36,000
Speaker 3: are on the market now is just it's sacrilege.

1466
01:11:38,880 --> 01:11:41,759
Speaker 1: Okay, how's Cosamigos compared to yours?

1467
01:11:42,960 --> 01:11:43,799
Speaker 2: Not even close.

1468
01:11:44,479 --> 01:11:47,400
Speaker 3: I ordered a shot of costume because I haven't had

1469
01:11:47,400 --> 01:11:50,960
Speaker 3: it in probably three or four years, because I'm not

1470
01:11:51,000 --> 01:11:51,360
Speaker 3: a fan.

1471
01:11:52,280 --> 01:11:53,280
Speaker 2: Nothing against those guys.

1472
01:11:53,280 --> 01:11:55,120
Speaker 3: I love George Plooney, you know, and I looved Randy

1473
01:11:55,120 --> 01:11:57,320
Speaker 3: Gerber and Mike Millman's one of my dearest friends in

1474
01:11:57,320 --> 01:12:00,200
Speaker 3: the world. So these guys are cool guys, don't get

1475
01:12:00,200 --> 01:12:05,639
Speaker 3: me wrong, but they make Their quote was, well, we didn't,

1476
01:12:05,880 --> 01:12:07,600
Speaker 3: you know, we wanted to make a tequila that was

1477
01:12:07,640 --> 01:12:08,760
Speaker 3: a lot easier to drink.

1478
01:12:08,960 --> 01:12:11,840
Speaker 2: Well that's impossible, you know what I mean.

1479
01:12:12,080 --> 01:12:15,479
Speaker 3: Real tequila is fucking who it's got that shiver. You

1480
01:12:15,520 --> 01:12:17,040
Speaker 3: got to ask why you have the salt and the

1481
01:12:17,120 --> 01:12:19,880
Speaker 3: line's fun. It's it's just you know. Oh see, I

1482
01:12:19,880 --> 01:12:24,439
Speaker 3: get goosebumps once again talking about it's such a wonderful spirit.

1483
01:12:24,720 --> 01:12:28,240
Speaker 3: So I ordered a cosamigo the other day with Michael Anthony.

1484
01:12:28,880 --> 01:12:29,120
Speaker 2: Uh.

1485
01:12:29,400 --> 01:12:31,040
Speaker 3: We were at this place and they had a bar

1486
01:12:31,120 --> 01:12:32,200
Speaker 3: and I went, I said, what do you got? And

1487
01:12:32,240 --> 01:12:34,920
Speaker 3: I saw they had patron which is wonderful tequila. And

1488
01:12:34,960 --> 01:12:37,519
Speaker 3: I looked in and I and they had Constamigo, of

1489
01:12:37,520 --> 01:12:40,759
Speaker 3: course because it's one of the biggest tegabos in the world. Now, Uh,

1490
01:12:40,800 --> 01:12:44,640
Speaker 3: and I go, give me a shot at blanco. Uh

1491
01:12:45,760 --> 01:12:48,160
Speaker 3: on the rocks. And he said, you don't want don't

1492
01:12:48,160 --> 01:12:50,439
Speaker 3: want to market readia. Do you want a cocktail? Say no, no,

1493
01:12:50,520 --> 01:12:52,680
Speaker 3: I just wanted on the rocks. He was almost like

1494
01:12:53,040 --> 01:12:57,599
Speaker 3: you sir, the bark and they put it on the rocks.

1495
01:12:57,840 --> 01:12:59,720
Speaker 3: And I took a sip and I said to Mike,

1496
01:13:00,000 --> 01:13:01,679
Speaker 3: and I looked at the part and I said, hey,

1497
01:13:01,720 --> 01:13:03,840
Speaker 3: I ordered a shot, not a cocktail. This has got

1498
01:13:03,880 --> 01:13:07,240
Speaker 3: more shit in it than a cocktail. It's got vanilla,

1499
01:13:07,320 --> 01:13:13,280
Speaker 3: it's got coconut, it's got uh, it's just sweeteners, glycerine.

1500
01:13:13,360 --> 01:13:16,679
Speaker 3: So it's like makes your tongue thick. It's like a

1501
01:13:16,720 --> 01:13:20,080
Speaker 3: syrupy feel on your tongue, you know, because that makes

1502
01:13:20,120 --> 01:13:23,120
Speaker 3: it easier to swallow and makes it smoother. And it

1503
01:13:23,160 --> 01:13:25,519
Speaker 3: had all these things, and I'm going, oh my god,

1504
01:13:26,000 --> 01:13:28,599
Speaker 3: but I'm sorry everybody. They're not the only ones. Everybody's

1505
01:13:28,640 --> 01:13:31,240
Speaker 3: doing that. And that's why tequila is so big now.

1506
01:13:31,720 --> 01:13:36,080
Speaker 3: Real tequila drinkers don't like that. But there's the masses

1507
01:13:36,120 --> 01:13:39,320
Speaker 3: are drinking tequila now, and the masses don't like real tequila.

1508
01:13:39,400 --> 01:13:42,240
Speaker 2: They go, oh that's too hot. Oh my god. No,

1509
01:13:42,680 --> 01:13:46,639
Speaker 2: you know, I've seen it of my own two life.

1510
01:13:47,200 --> 01:13:48,639
Speaker 2: Tequila burns a little bit.

1511
01:13:48,880 --> 01:13:55,320
Speaker 3: It's it's a spirit, and it's it's got very subtle flavors,

1512
01:13:55,439 --> 01:13:57,280
Speaker 3: very subtle. You get a little bit of oak when

1513
01:13:57,320 --> 01:13:58,880
Speaker 3: you put it in wood, you know, you get a

1514
01:13:58,920 --> 01:14:02,200
Speaker 3: little bit vanilla, little coconut, out of the wood. But

1515
01:14:02,400 --> 01:14:04,599
Speaker 3: you don't get that out of a frigging blanco unless

1516
01:14:04,640 --> 01:14:07,840
Speaker 3: it's the Crystali, which is at the new style where

1517
01:14:07,880 --> 01:14:10,040
Speaker 3: they put it in wood for three or four years

1518
01:14:10,080 --> 01:14:13,160
Speaker 3: and then they redistill it and filter the color out

1519
01:14:13,240 --> 01:14:17,160
Speaker 3: and it's a white patrol and started that trend. It's

1520
01:14:17,160 --> 01:14:20,519
Speaker 3: a white tequila that tastes delicious, but you know it's

1521
01:14:20,600 --> 01:14:24,880
Speaker 3: it's it's very expensive to do that because you got

1522
01:14:24,920 --> 01:14:26,280
Speaker 3: an agent and lose all that product.

1523
01:14:26,320 --> 01:14:28,240
Speaker 2: But anyway, I don't want to make that tequila.

1524
01:14:28,280 --> 01:14:33,320
Speaker 3: I'm making a blanco and nyejo, a reposanto and a

1525
01:14:33,400 --> 01:14:35,280
Speaker 3: mosquito that's santo.

1526
01:14:35,600 --> 01:14:36,240
Speaker 2: The real shit.

1527
01:14:36,760 --> 01:14:41,200
Speaker 1: Okay, anybody who's in this business knows that the real

1528
01:14:41,400 --> 01:14:46,120
Speaker 1: key end is distribution. So you start these new companies,

1529
01:14:46,160 --> 01:14:47,640
Speaker 1: how a you're handling distribution.

1530
01:14:48,200 --> 01:14:50,800
Speaker 3: Well, a lot of these guys got a lot of

1531
01:14:50,840 --> 01:14:53,000
Speaker 3: backing money. A lot of celebrities got big money, and

1532
01:14:53,040 --> 01:14:58,280
Speaker 3: they go to some backers and they they pay for it.

1533
01:14:58,320 --> 01:14:59,600
Speaker 3: You know, it's like you pay to play and the

1534
01:14:59,640 --> 01:15:01,080
Speaker 3: old day, you know, you get a record on the

1535
01:15:01,160 --> 01:15:03,559
Speaker 3: radio too. You know, that's kind of what's going on

1536
01:15:03,600 --> 01:15:07,200
Speaker 3: with the distribution. But yeah, it's all about distribution. But

1537
01:15:07,400 --> 01:15:10,720
Speaker 3: the whole thing is it's the end is one thing,

1538
01:15:10,760 --> 01:15:14,080
Speaker 3: getting it in a store. If it don't sell, you're

1539
01:15:14,120 --> 01:15:16,639
Speaker 3: out of here. And that's why you're seeing tequila companies

1540
01:15:16,680 --> 01:15:19,760
Speaker 3: come and go. Every year there's another one hundred one

1541
01:15:19,880 --> 01:15:23,240
Speaker 3: starting and another forty going out of business, and it's

1542
01:15:23,280 --> 01:15:25,920
Speaker 3: it's really a tough game. You have to the distributors

1543
01:15:25,960 --> 01:15:28,200
Speaker 3: take a big chunk to begin with the big boys

1544
01:15:28,240 --> 01:15:34,559
Speaker 3: Southern Wine and Young's and Young's markets with oh, come on,

1545
01:15:34,600 --> 01:15:35,320
Speaker 3: who is Youngs with?

1546
01:15:37,160 --> 01:15:37,640
Speaker 2: I forget the.

1547
01:15:37,680 --> 01:15:40,920
Speaker 3: Name of it, but anyway, there's two major distributors now

1548
01:15:41,360 --> 01:15:47,000
Speaker 3: Southern Glazier merged and Youngs merged with oh why can't

1549
01:15:47,000 --> 01:15:49,120
Speaker 3: even remember them? They used to have to kill, used

1550
01:15:49,160 --> 01:15:51,200
Speaker 3: to have Cabbo Wobble. When I sold Caaba Wobble went

1551
01:15:51,240 --> 01:15:53,599
Speaker 3: to Southern. Now I'm with Southern now again. But they

1552
01:15:53,600 --> 01:15:56,479
Speaker 3: have a lot of power. But they they're careful because

1553
01:15:56,479 --> 01:15:58,760
Speaker 3: see their names. They're the reputation online. So they go

1554
01:15:58,840 --> 01:16:02,040
Speaker 3: to Safeway and go, hey, you know, buyas a couple

1555
01:16:02,080 --> 01:16:04,240
Speaker 3: thousand cases, put them in your stores.

1556
01:16:04,600 --> 01:16:05,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, you get paid.

1557
01:16:05,960 --> 01:16:08,160
Speaker 3: They buy in, and then they sit there and go, hey,

1558
01:16:08,320 --> 01:16:10,559
Speaker 3: it ain't moving, Get this shit out of my store.

1559
01:16:10,600 --> 01:16:12,760
Speaker 3: I need the space. So it's a tough game. You

1560
01:16:12,840 --> 01:16:16,320
Speaker 3: don't want to make mistakes like that. And that's where

1561
01:16:17,080 --> 01:16:20,479
Speaker 3: my expertise of being in the business before comes from,

1562
01:16:20,560 --> 01:16:22,920
Speaker 3: because my first idea was, oh, man, just get it

1563
01:16:22,960 --> 01:16:24,760
Speaker 3: everywhere and my fans will go buy it.

1564
01:16:24,920 --> 01:16:25,160
Speaker 2: Man.

1565
01:16:25,240 --> 01:16:27,400
Speaker 3: Not necessarily they go buy it, but they got to

1566
01:16:27,439 --> 01:16:29,760
Speaker 3: run across it, and they're not really you know, it's

1567
01:16:31,200 --> 01:16:33,599
Speaker 3: it's a tough game right now, but I still love

1568
01:16:33,640 --> 01:16:36,799
Speaker 3: it every time you win. Wow, Like you know, Santo,

1569
01:16:36,880 --> 01:16:40,600
Speaker 3: we just got Caesar's Group, the whole group. You know,

1570
01:16:40,640 --> 01:16:43,679
Speaker 3: they have more hotels in Vegas than anyone and between

1571
01:16:43,800 --> 01:16:46,799
Speaker 3: all their bars and it's like, you know, Guy Fieri's friends,

1572
01:16:47,120 --> 01:16:49,680
Speaker 3: because he has a couple of restaurants with Caesars with

1573
01:16:49,760 --> 01:16:52,800
Speaker 3: the group, and so he got to the owner and

1574
01:16:52,840 --> 01:16:55,000
Speaker 3: the owner put the hammer down and say, yeah, you know,

1575
01:16:55,320 --> 01:16:58,679
Speaker 3: but it's it's it's uh. I'll give you one hint

1576
01:16:58,760 --> 01:17:02,000
Speaker 3: for new guys. It's about relationships. If you know somebody

1577
01:17:02,200 --> 01:17:04,639
Speaker 3: and they're a fan, they'll take care of you. You'll

1578
01:17:04,640 --> 01:17:07,040
Speaker 3: get your booze right in their liquor store or right

1579
01:17:07,080 --> 01:17:11,240
Speaker 3: in their bar. So it's like the old DJs when

1580
01:17:11,280 --> 01:17:13,640
Speaker 3: you used to know the DJ. You're friendly, You go

1581
01:17:13,680 --> 01:17:15,479
Speaker 3: in there after your show, you go in and do

1582
01:17:15,560 --> 01:17:19,679
Speaker 3: a night at midnight show, you know at KSJO or whatever,

1583
01:17:19,720 --> 01:17:21,439
Speaker 3: and they, you know, they.

1584
01:17:21,280 --> 01:17:22,040
Speaker 2: Play your record.

1585
01:17:22,080 --> 01:17:23,599
Speaker 3: You know. It's like you got a friend, you got

1586
01:17:23,600 --> 01:17:25,800
Speaker 3: a DJ friend. Well, now if you've got a bartender friend,

1587
01:17:26,080 --> 01:17:28,960
Speaker 3: he'll put your boos in his bar. And the bartenders

1588
01:17:28,960 --> 01:17:31,320
Speaker 3: are the new DJs in this business.

1589
01:17:32,920 --> 01:17:36,479
Speaker 1: Okay, how do you know Guy Fieri? And then you

1590
01:17:36,520 --> 01:17:40,320
Speaker 1: were Bottle Rock was with Jose Andre some chef. It's like,

1591
01:17:40,479 --> 01:17:42,439
Speaker 1: how do you know all these people? And are you

1592
01:17:42,520 --> 01:17:45,840
Speaker 1: one of these people who literally knows everybody or you

1593
01:17:45,960 --> 01:17:47,680
Speaker 1: just have a select group you hang out with.

1594
01:17:47,920 --> 01:17:50,920
Speaker 3: Well, now you know what I'm like back in high school, Bob,

1595
01:17:50,960 --> 01:17:53,880
Speaker 3: We're coming full Silindier. I love this. I love this interview.

1596
01:17:53,960 --> 01:17:56,200
Speaker 3: You're killing me. You see, it's like when I was

1597
01:17:56,240 --> 01:17:59,080
Speaker 3: in high school. I know everybody, but I have my

1598
01:17:59,120 --> 01:18:02,479
Speaker 3: little group. Still, I'm still that same guy. You know,

1599
01:18:02,560 --> 01:18:06,720
Speaker 3: Emma La Gazi's my friend, Jose Andres my friend. Guy

1600
01:18:06,760 --> 01:18:09,920
Speaker 3: Fieri's my friend. You know, I've got a few really

1601
01:18:09,920 --> 01:18:12,800
Speaker 3: good close chef friends and they are close friends and

1602
01:18:12,840 --> 01:18:14,960
Speaker 3: we cook together and we.

1603
01:18:16,400 --> 01:18:17,320
Speaker 2: Michael Mina.

1604
01:18:18,720 --> 01:18:21,800
Speaker 3: I patronize their restaurants when I'm in their city where

1605
01:18:21,840 --> 01:18:25,720
Speaker 3: they on tour, and I call them to get special favors. Hey,

1606
01:18:25,720 --> 01:18:29,280
Speaker 3: I can't get in, you know, like Jose Andres, Hey

1607
01:18:29,360 --> 01:18:31,960
Speaker 3: I can't. You can't get into his restaurants. It's like Jose,

1608
01:18:32,280 --> 01:18:34,000
Speaker 3: I got it. I need a table for six. It's

1609
01:18:34,040 --> 01:18:37,280
Speaker 3: you know, it's six o'clock. Well done. So we're those

1610
01:18:37,360 --> 01:18:40,680
Speaker 3: kind of friends. I love chefs. I love cooking. It's

1611
01:18:40,720 --> 01:18:44,120
Speaker 3: my second favorite thing, you know, besides music. I'm if

1612
01:18:44,160 --> 01:18:46,920
Speaker 3: you want to ask me what I do. I come

1613
01:18:46,960 --> 01:18:49,880
Speaker 3: home from the studio of twelve hours and I go

1614
01:18:49,960 --> 01:18:51,920
Speaker 3: straight to the kitchen and I whip something up, and

1615
01:18:52,000 --> 01:18:55,840
Speaker 3: I can cook my ass off. You know, I've had them,

1616
01:18:56,040 --> 01:18:58,800
Speaker 3: Lagassi tell me. You know, Sammy, I've been good cook

1617
01:18:58,880 --> 01:19:02,000
Speaker 3: you son. I'm a bitch, you know. So you know

1618
01:19:02,040 --> 01:19:04,120
Speaker 3: I can hang with those guys. I can't. I'm not

1619
01:19:04,200 --> 01:19:06,559
Speaker 3: as versatile. Maybe you know, they have more knowledge, but

1620
01:19:07,240 --> 01:19:10,479
Speaker 3: I really have a good palette. So Guy Fiertti came

1621
01:19:11,000 --> 01:19:13,760
Speaker 3: when Cabbo Wobbo when we were having a promotion back

1622
01:19:13,800 --> 01:19:15,519
Speaker 3: way before I sold it, back when we had the

1623
01:19:16,120 --> 01:19:18,679
Speaker 3: very you know, at about forty thousand seconds third year,

1624
01:19:19,920 --> 01:19:22,160
Speaker 3: I was doing a local tour in the Sandmans in

1625
01:19:22,200 --> 01:19:25,360
Speaker 3: the Bay Area and we had a contest for whoever

1626
01:19:25,439 --> 01:19:27,439
Speaker 3: sold the most tequila in their bar got to come

1627
01:19:27,479 --> 01:19:29,960
Speaker 3: to the show. I sent a limo for him. They

1628
01:19:30,560 --> 01:19:33,400
Speaker 3: meet me backstage. I got a signed guitar. They got

1629
01:19:33,520 --> 01:19:35,200
Speaker 3: on the side of the stage. I got to, you know,

1630
01:19:35,280 --> 01:19:38,800
Speaker 3: witness the whole nine yards right, a VIP thing. So

1631
01:19:39,000 --> 01:19:41,120
Speaker 3: Guy Fiertti being a huge fan at that time, I

1632
01:19:41,200 --> 01:19:41,640
Speaker 3: didn't know it.

1633
01:19:41,680 --> 01:19:42,240
Speaker 2: I didn't know him.

1634
01:19:42,280 --> 01:19:45,759
Speaker 3: He had a little restaurant called Johnny Garlics, and he said,

1635
01:19:47,000 --> 01:19:48,840
Speaker 3: I'm going to put it in my will. Now, this

1636
01:19:48,920 --> 01:19:51,360
Speaker 3: is a high end tequila. They got nine dollars bottles

1637
01:19:51,360 --> 01:19:54,920
Speaker 3: of booze in your well, nine dollars a leader and

1638
01:19:54,960 --> 01:19:58,040
Speaker 3: this was a seven fifty for thirty forty two dollars.

1639
01:19:58,360 --> 01:20:00,200
Speaker 3: He put it in as well. Of course, he won

1640
01:20:00,240 --> 01:20:02,280
Speaker 3: the damn contests and didn't make any money on his

1641
01:20:02,520 --> 01:20:05,800
Speaker 3: on his bar for a few months. He walks in,

1642
01:20:07,040 --> 01:20:09,880
Speaker 3: looks just like me. He's got shorts, flip flops. You know,

1643
01:20:09,960 --> 01:20:13,160
Speaker 3: his hair, my head. That time we were wearing gators glasses.

1644
01:20:13,360 --> 01:20:15,720
Speaker 3: He had my same glasses on my little goatee.

1645
01:20:16,040 --> 01:20:16,280
Speaker 2: You know.

1646
01:20:16,520 --> 01:20:18,960
Speaker 3: My beach looked that I had going back then, and uh,

1647
01:20:19,200 --> 01:20:21,200
Speaker 3: I'm going all of this fucking guy. He's out of sight,

1648
01:20:21,240 --> 01:20:21,400
Speaker 3: you know.

1649
01:20:21,400 --> 01:20:22,160
Speaker 2: Boom boom boom.

1650
01:20:22,200 --> 01:20:25,400
Speaker 3: We have fun. I love his personality. He's exactly like

1651
01:20:25,439 --> 01:20:27,960
Speaker 3: he is now. He didn't invent himself. He didn't grow

1652
01:20:28,000 --> 01:20:29,920
Speaker 3: into this gig. He was born like this.

1653
01:20:30,080 --> 01:20:30,320
Speaker 2: You know.

1654
01:20:30,600 --> 01:20:32,240
Speaker 3: He's one of those guys. He wakes up at eight

1655
01:20:32,240 --> 01:20:34,120
Speaker 3: o'clock in the morning, he already has his bling on.

1656
01:20:34,360 --> 01:20:36,920
Speaker 3: I think he sleeps with the ship, his hair spiked up,

1657
01:20:36,960 --> 01:20:39,880
Speaker 3: he's got his sunglasses. He's a badass. He's really really

1658
01:20:39,880 --> 01:20:43,320
Speaker 3: the real do. I love that guy? So he after

1659
01:20:43,360 --> 01:20:47,000
Speaker 3: the show, I give him the signed guitar before the

1660
01:20:47,040 --> 01:20:48,479
Speaker 3: show where I met first, and I say, you know,

1661
01:20:48,680 --> 01:20:50,840
Speaker 3: after the show, coming back, I have some food. He

1662
01:20:50,920 --> 01:20:53,600
Speaker 3: went and had his sushi chef because Johnny Garlak has

1663
01:20:53,640 --> 01:20:57,439
Speaker 3: had a sushi menu. He put made a bunch of sushi.

1664
01:20:57,600 --> 01:21:00,280
Speaker 3: He put it on the guitar and I came walking

1665
01:21:00,280 --> 01:21:02,320
Speaker 3: out stage into the dress room and he had guitars,

1666
01:21:02,400 --> 01:21:06,000
Speaker 3: sushian and guitar served it to me. I said, this

1667
01:21:06,080 --> 01:21:08,320
Speaker 3: is my fucking pal right here right. So we we

1668
01:21:08,479 --> 01:21:10,720
Speaker 3: became friends. He came to every show I've ever done

1669
01:21:10,720 --> 01:21:13,320
Speaker 3: in the Bay Area and around the country.

1670
01:21:13,360 --> 01:21:13,880
Speaker 2: He was doing that.

1671
01:21:13,920 --> 01:21:19,040
Speaker 3: So I helped him get in with Emma Lagazi and

1672
01:21:19,080 --> 01:21:21,800
Speaker 3: my Food Network friends. I helped him get you know,

1673
01:21:22,960 --> 01:21:25,720
Speaker 3: uh not that didn't help him win. I helped him

1674
01:21:25,720 --> 01:21:27,519
Speaker 3: get it audition. I turned him on to some people.

1675
01:21:27,880 --> 01:21:30,160
Speaker 3: He got involved and became the next Food Network start.

1676
01:21:30,200 --> 01:21:33,439
Speaker 3: Now he's the biggest celebrity chef on the planet. And

1677
01:21:33,800 --> 01:21:37,200
Speaker 3: and when I sold Kabba Wobble, he read it. He

1678
01:21:37,280 --> 01:21:40,920
Speaker 3: calls me up and says, dude, did I read what

1679
01:21:41,000 --> 01:21:43,439
Speaker 3: I just read? I said, I don't know what you

1680
01:21:43,560 --> 01:21:46,880
Speaker 3: just read. He said, you sold Wobble for like a

1681
01:21:47,000 --> 01:21:48,920
Speaker 3: hundred million dollars. Said, that's what the deal was. And

1682
01:21:49,240 --> 01:21:51,000
Speaker 3: like I said, I only took the first twenty. I

1683
01:21:51,080 --> 01:21:52,080
Speaker 3: left twenty on the table.

1684
01:21:52,120 --> 01:21:52,599
Speaker 2: For a while.

1685
01:21:53,080 --> 01:21:54,960
Speaker 3: I thought the brand was going to get much bigger

1686
01:21:54,960 --> 01:21:56,880
Speaker 3: and my twenty was going to be, you know, worth

1687
01:21:56,880 --> 01:21:58,959
Speaker 3: even more than that. I thought I was a smart businessman,

1688
01:22:00,000 --> 01:22:03,440
Speaker 3: already smarter than me. Trust me, those guys are the greatest.

1689
01:22:03,200 --> 01:22:06,680
Speaker 3: I love that brand in that company for doing what

1690
01:22:06,720 --> 01:22:10,080
Speaker 3: they did for me. But anyway, so I said, oh yeah,

1691
01:22:10,080 --> 01:22:13,000
Speaker 3: he goes you know, dude, you ever want to do

1692
01:22:13,040 --> 01:22:15,000
Speaker 3: this again? I said, I can't do nothing for five years.

1693
01:22:15,000 --> 01:22:16,599
Speaker 3: He said, if you ever want to do this again,

1694
01:22:16,920 --> 01:22:19,280
Speaker 3: I'm your partner. I said, okay. And we just been

1695
01:22:19,360 --> 01:22:21,200
Speaker 3: friends and friends and friends and friends and hang out

1696
01:22:21,200 --> 01:22:25,000
Speaker 3: in cobble. It comes to my birthday bash then, like

1697
01:22:25,040 --> 01:22:27,679
Speaker 3: I said, I started Santo and wasn't thinking about him,

1698
01:22:28,240 --> 01:22:34,400
Speaker 3: and he busted my ass and he's Boom, he's partner instantly,

1699
01:22:34,640 --> 01:22:36,639
Speaker 3: I mean we have We just shift hands. We didn't

1700
01:22:36,640 --> 01:22:38,599
Speaker 3: even shake can We're on the phone. I said, yeah,

1701
01:22:38,720 --> 01:22:40,720
Speaker 3: you're my partner. Okay, here's how much I got in.

1702
01:22:40,760 --> 01:22:42,200
Speaker 3: Here's how much going to cost for you to buy

1703
01:22:42,200 --> 01:22:43,840
Speaker 3: in to you know what I got in. You know,

1704
01:22:43,840 --> 01:22:46,799
Speaker 3: I'm not selling you nothing. I'm just exchanging my shares

1705
01:22:46,840 --> 01:22:49,840
Speaker 3: for what I have. And boom, we just did it

1706
01:22:49,840 --> 01:22:52,200
Speaker 3: that way. And he's the best partner you could ever have.

1707
01:22:52,600 --> 01:22:56,679
Speaker 3: I don't think anyone could outwork Guy Fieri. He's most

1708
01:22:57,040 --> 01:23:00,040
Speaker 3: He gets up at four in the morning, does morning

1709
01:23:00,120 --> 01:23:03,519
Speaker 3: shows in fucking New York from California. Then you know,

1710
01:23:03,640 --> 01:23:07,439
Speaker 3: and then out the door he's filming two or three

1711
01:23:07,520 --> 01:23:10,439
Speaker 3: TV shows he's got going on. He's got seventy five

1712
01:23:10,520 --> 01:23:16,360
Speaker 3: eighty restaurants. You know it's the guy's rocking man.

1713
01:23:17,720 --> 01:23:19,560
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1714
01:23:19,600 --> 01:23:22,760
Speaker 1: Okay, so you had a number of big victories, the

1715
01:23:22,840 --> 01:23:28,320
Speaker 1: victory with tequila, et cetera. Musicians are legendary for blowing

1716
01:23:28,400 --> 01:23:33,800
Speaker 1: the money. Where is the money? Is it in real estate?

1717
01:23:33,960 --> 01:23:36,800
Speaker 1: Is in stocks? His bonds? You pay attention? Do you

1718
01:23:36,880 --> 01:23:37,719
Speaker 1: not pay attention?

1719
01:23:40,000 --> 01:23:42,600
Speaker 3: I kind of when I got that big money, I

1720
01:23:42,640 --> 01:23:46,080
Speaker 3: start paying attention because I didn't want to lose everything

1721
01:23:46,080 --> 01:23:49,400
Speaker 3: that I know. This is my my nest egg. So

1722
01:23:49,479 --> 01:23:55,760
Speaker 3: I investigated some things, and I tell my brokers and

1723
01:23:55,800 --> 01:23:59,840
Speaker 3: my management and my accountants, I do not care about

1724
01:24:00,040 --> 01:24:03,120
Speaker 3: making money with my money. Don't go out there and

1725
01:24:03,160 --> 01:24:05,400
Speaker 3: say I'm gonna make you, you know, twenty percent of

1726
01:24:05,479 --> 01:24:10,120
Speaker 3: your money. I'm not interested. I want the safest saying possible.

1727
01:24:10,479 --> 01:24:13,280
Speaker 3: I invest in the United States of America, and I

1728
01:24:13,320 --> 01:24:19,080
Speaker 3: invest in cities and states because ones that I think,

1729
01:24:19,360 --> 01:24:22,080
Speaker 3: you know, that look like they're not going to go bankrupt,

1730
01:24:22,200 --> 01:24:26,880
Speaker 3: you know. So it's kind of like keeping your money

1731
01:24:27,520 --> 01:24:30,320
Speaker 3: in places like that that if the United States goes under,

1732
01:24:30,320 --> 01:24:32,160
Speaker 3: well then I'm gonna lose my money. But if I

1733
01:24:32,240 --> 01:24:34,000
Speaker 3: had it in other place, I'm gonna lose it. Way

1734
01:24:34,040 --> 01:24:37,960
Speaker 3: before that, you know. So I'm just I'm so conservative

1735
01:24:38,000 --> 01:24:41,840
Speaker 3: you'd be surprised. It's it's like I don't like making

1736
01:24:41,840 --> 01:24:44,559
Speaker 3: money with money. To me, when I say, nobody gets fucked.

1737
01:24:45,840 --> 01:24:48,160
Speaker 3: To me, if you're making too much money with your money,

1738
01:24:48,240 --> 01:24:49,200
Speaker 3: somebody's getting fucked.

1739
01:24:49,680 --> 01:24:49,840
Speaker 2: You know.

1740
01:24:49,880 --> 01:24:52,679
Speaker 3: It just doesn't work that way all of a sudden magic,

1741
01:24:53,000 --> 01:24:55,200
Speaker 3: you know, just somebody's gonna hand their money over to you.

1742
01:24:55,720 --> 01:24:58,719
Speaker 3: Somebody must lose for you to win. So I don't

1743
01:24:58,760 --> 01:25:00,599
Speaker 3: like that game, and I don't know enough about it.

1744
01:25:00,880 --> 01:25:03,000
Speaker 3: So I invest in myself. I have a ton of

1745
01:25:03,000 --> 01:25:06,760
Speaker 3: real estate, and I believe in things. I have, you know,

1746
01:25:06,840 --> 01:25:11,960
Speaker 3: a car collection from heaven and I use it. I

1747
01:25:12,040 --> 01:25:14,479
Speaker 3: drive my cars, and I stay in my homes, and

1748
01:25:14,520 --> 01:25:16,920
Speaker 3: I bought my family homes, you know, like and.

1749
01:25:19,960 --> 01:25:20,679
Speaker 2: You know, my kids.

1750
01:25:20,680 --> 01:25:24,760
Speaker 3: I have a wonderful, wonderful trust set up for my kids,

1751
01:25:24,800 --> 01:25:28,759
Speaker 3: which I really believe in. I believe in my parents

1752
01:25:28,760 --> 01:25:30,880
Speaker 3: are gone. But you know, my mom. I put a

1753
01:25:30,880 --> 01:25:32,640
Speaker 3: lot of money into my mom. She always had a

1754
01:25:32,840 --> 01:25:36,280
Speaker 3: nice new car and she had a beautiful home. And

1755
01:25:36,320 --> 01:25:39,719
Speaker 3: it's we're all in my name, And it sounds cheesy,

1756
01:25:39,840 --> 01:25:42,840
Speaker 3: but it's like, no, it's not. It's like you can

1757
01:25:43,200 --> 01:25:47,599
Speaker 3: make your mother, your family, your parents and brothers and

1758
01:25:47,640 --> 01:25:50,439
Speaker 3: sisters really happy. If you're really rich enough, you can

1759
01:25:50,479 --> 01:25:53,320
Speaker 3: really do wonderful things for them. And then you know

1760
01:25:53,360 --> 01:25:55,479
Speaker 3: your mother is going to pass and your parents are

1761
01:25:55,479 --> 01:25:57,840
Speaker 3: going to pass before you, and you just inherit it

1762
01:25:57,920 --> 01:26:00,519
Speaker 3: back and then you know, you give it to someone else,

1763
01:26:00,560 --> 01:26:03,400
Speaker 3: so you you you turn it. That's that's the way

1764
01:26:03,439 --> 01:26:06,400
Speaker 3: I do my money. I don't like to just stash

1765
01:26:06,439 --> 01:26:09,200
Speaker 3: it away. Someplaces say, look how much money I'm making

1766
01:26:09,240 --> 01:26:11,559
Speaker 3: on my money. I'm still earning enough money where I

1767
01:26:11,560 --> 01:26:15,000
Speaker 3: don't have to live off my money. And so it's

1768
01:26:15,160 --> 01:26:17,320
Speaker 3: it's just all my kids name. And you got to

1769
01:26:17,360 --> 01:26:19,600
Speaker 3: do it properly so they don't get robbed from the

1770
01:26:19,640 --> 01:26:22,200
Speaker 3: government when you die, you know, they so that they

1771
01:26:22,240 --> 01:26:27,640
Speaker 3: have their The inheritance taxes are fifty percent, you know,

1772
01:26:27,720 --> 01:26:29,519
Speaker 3: and then there's then there's.

1773
01:26:31,000 --> 01:26:32,280
Speaker 2: Income tax on top of that.

1774
01:26:32,320 --> 01:26:34,400
Speaker 3: You know, you give your kid a million dollars and

1775
01:26:34,439 --> 01:26:36,439
Speaker 3: he ends up with a couple hundred thousand dollars. It's

1776
01:26:36,439 --> 01:26:38,640
Speaker 3: just not cool, you know. So you've got to have

1777
01:26:38,760 --> 01:26:42,559
Speaker 3: really good estate planning. And I spent a lot of

1778
01:26:42,640 --> 01:26:46,640
Speaker 3: time and effort and investigation on that because you know,

1779
01:26:46,680 --> 01:26:50,719
Speaker 3: when I turned seventy, you know, five and a half

1780
01:26:50,800 --> 01:26:55,400
Speaker 3: years ago, I really started thinking about mortality, and all said,

1781
01:26:55,479 --> 01:26:57,160
Speaker 3: you're going, I never thought.

1782
01:26:56,960 --> 01:26:57,360
Speaker 2: Of that before.

1783
01:26:57,400 --> 01:27:00,640
Speaker 3: I'm so busy, I'm so I'm still driven, you know,

1784
01:27:00,680 --> 01:27:05,920
Speaker 3: I'm still progressing and working on things. And I go, what, well,

1785
01:27:05,920 --> 01:27:08,640
Speaker 3: it only only got Maybe I plan on living to

1786
01:27:08,640 --> 01:27:09,960
Speaker 3: be one hundred at least, and then I'll tell you

1787
01:27:10,000 --> 01:27:11,760
Speaker 3: if I'm on live any longer when i'm a hundred,

1788
01:27:11,760 --> 01:27:14,400
Speaker 3: because if I'm healthy, I said, okay, I'm gonna live longer.

1789
01:27:14,560 --> 01:27:16,840
Speaker 3: But so I got twenty five years to live. And

1790
01:27:16,880 --> 01:27:19,200
Speaker 3: I think how fast the last twenty five years went.

1791
01:27:19,240 --> 01:27:21,600
Speaker 3: I just go, holy shit, I got I got a

1792
01:27:21,600 --> 01:27:23,240
Speaker 3: lot to do. I better take care of things. I

1793
01:27:23,280 --> 01:27:25,000
Speaker 3: got to make sure my kids are cool, you know,

1794
01:27:25,040 --> 01:27:27,240
Speaker 3: and I got to make sure that everything's set, you know,

1795
01:27:27,280 --> 01:27:28,080
Speaker 3: and I don't leave.

1796
01:27:27,960 --> 01:27:29,400
Speaker 2: A mess when I die.

1797
01:27:29,640 --> 01:27:31,719
Speaker 3: And I've never thought of that until I turned seventy,

1798
01:27:31,920 --> 01:27:34,880
Speaker 3: and I wrote that song father Time about it. It's

1799
01:27:34,960 --> 01:27:38,000
Speaker 3: like all of a sudden, Wow, you just go, wow,

1800
01:27:39,040 --> 01:27:43,160
Speaker 3: I'm not afraid to die and whatsoever. And it's but

1801
01:27:43,240 --> 01:27:47,800
Speaker 3: it's just interesting to start thinking, Wow, m I got

1802
01:27:47,840 --> 01:27:51,000
Speaker 3: to make sure my people are taking care of you know,

1803
01:27:51,040 --> 01:27:51,880
Speaker 3: and everything's cool.

1804
01:27:52,080 --> 01:27:54,439
Speaker 2: And it was a strange thing. And I spent a

1805
01:27:54,439 --> 01:27:54,840
Speaker 2: whole year.

1806
01:27:54,840 --> 01:27:57,439
Speaker 3: I took two years off and then COVID hit and

1807
01:27:58,360 --> 01:28:00,080
Speaker 3: I got to take more time off and work and

1808
01:28:00,120 --> 01:28:02,640
Speaker 3: all that kind of stuff. That's if anyone asked me,

1809
01:28:02,720 --> 01:28:05,559
Speaker 3: you know, what's the positive that came out of COVID,

1810
01:28:05,640 --> 01:28:07,000
Speaker 3: it was one was.

1811
01:28:08,600 --> 01:28:09,439
Speaker 2: I got time.

1812
01:28:10,040 --> 01:28:12,439
Speaker 3: I had down time, so I took care of a

1813
01:28:12,479 --> 01:28:17,479
Speaker 3: lot of things. And I learned that we are all

1814
01:28:17,720 --> 01:28:20,800
Speaker 3: in the same fucking boat man. The COVID made the

1815
01:28:20,840 --> 01:28:25,760
Speaker 3: biggest realization on the planet. Rich, poor, You're all fucked now,

1816
01:28:26,080 --> 01:28:29,320
Speaker 3: you know what it's like. So it kind of brought

1817
01:28:29,880 --> 01:28:32,520
Speaker 3: a nice reality to me and a more of appreciation

1818
01:28:32,800 --> 01:28:36,160
Speaker 3: of health and life and freedom and this country. You

1819
01:28:36,200 --> 01:28:39,280
Speaker 3: know about the freedom in this country, it keeps getting

1820
01:28:39,320 --> 01:28:41,439
Speaker 3: taken away. It keeps getting taken away by things like

1821
01:28:41,520 --> 01:28:45,920
Speaker 3: COVID and by the nine to eleven situation. It's like,

1822
01:28:47,760 --> 01:28:51,080
Speaker 3: freedom's a wonderful thing. It's wonderful.

1823
01:28:52,000 --> 01:28:56,120
Speaker 1: Okay, just switching gears. Your kids, you grew up poor,

1824
01:28:57,000 --> 01:28:59,960
Speaker 1: they did not grow up poor, So what are they up?

1825
01:29:00,280 --> 01:29:02,120
Speaker 2: And my oldest one, did.

1826
01:29:03,680 --> 01:29:08,200
Speaker 1: You know, how do you incentivize them.

1827
01:29:08,720 --> 01:29:12,200
Speaker 3: I know, my wife and I if we fight about anything,

1828
01:29:12,320 --> 01:29:14,880
Speaker 3: it's every time I'm trying to do something for the kids,

1829
01:29:14,920 --> 01:29:22,519
Speaker 3: it's like you're gonna ruin them. Yeah, I will ruin them. Happily.

1830
01:29:22,760 --> 01:29:24,760
Speaker 3: I could careless if they ever had to work a

1831
01:29:24,840 --> 01:29:27,160
Speaker 3: day in their life. I would be happy for them

1832
01:29:27,439 --> 01:29:30,519
Speaker 3: if they were happy. Now they're not happy. That's different.

1833
01:29:30,840 --> 01:29:35,719
Speaker 3: But my oldest son, who's fifty two years old, he Aaron.

1834
01:29:36,400 --> 01:29:38,360
Speaker 3: He saw the pors we were on well for he

1835
01:29:38,400 --> 01:29:40,160
Speaker 3: was born in a county hospital and I was on

1836
01:29:40,200 --> 01:29:44,800
Speaker 3: food stamps, you know, so he saw the whole process.

1837
01:29:44,560 --> 01:29:46,840
Speaker 2: He went right with it. You know, he's he.

1838
01:29:47,479 --> 01:29:52,160
Speaker 3: And he's the one that's really more of a spender

1839
01:29:52,360 --> 01:29:57,120
Speaker 3: and does it put value on it than anyone. He

1840
01:29:57,200 --> 01:29:59,880
Speaker 3: wants things like me. He wants my cars, he wants

1841
01:30:00,120 --> 01:30:03,759
Speaker 3: you know, he wants all that. And he's talented like crazy,

1842
01:30:03,800 --> 01:30:06,280
Speaker 3: and he does a great job with his hobbies. He's

1843
01:30:06,360 --> 01:30:09,519
Speaker 3: turned hobbies into making a living. But as soon as

1844
01:30:09,560 --> 01:30:12,080
Speaker 3: he got his trust money, the way I haven't set up,

1845
01:30:12,160 --> 01:30:14,720
Speaker 3: my kids get their trust money at certain stages, they

1846
01:30:14,720 --> 01:30:17,200
Speaker 3: get a certain amount of twenty five and then they

1847
01:30:17,200 --> 01:30:18,880
Speaker 3: get the big chunk at forty and then they get

1848
01:30:18,920 --> 01:30:23,960
Speaker 3: dressed when I die. So every time he gets his chunk,

1849
01:30:24,040 --> 01:30:27,120
Speaker 3: he just blows done both through it. But I have

1850
01:30:27,160 --> 01:30:29,760
Speaker 3: to stop him, Aaron. I know, you got a new car.

1851
01:30:29,960 --> 01:30:33,240
Speaker 3: You got five cars already. You don't need another fucking motorcycle.

1852
01:30:33,280 --> 01:30:34,680
Speaker 3: You know, he's the only one that I got to

1853
01:30:34,680 --> 01:30:38,920
Speaker 3: slap around. Everyone else seems to be pretty cool. My

1854
01:30:40,160 --> 01:30:44,240
Speaker 3: youngest boy, Andrew is singing and playing music and doing

1855
01:30:44,280 --> 01:30:47,519
Speaker 3: a great job. He's awesome. He's got everything going for him.

1856
01:30:47,560 --> 01:30:50,320
Speaker 3: He's a great songwriter. I just blew my mind how

1857
01:30:50,320 --> 01:30:52,920
Speaker 3: he just exploded like that when he turned about twenty five.

1858
01:30:53,200 --> 01:30:55,599
Speaker 3: He just decided before that he was a martial artist

1859
01:30:55,880 --> 01:30:58,360
Speaker 3: and I wouldn't let him fight, so he became a trainer.

1860
01:30:58,640 --> 01:31:00,360
Speaker 3: He had two or three fights and broke my heart.

1861
01:31:00,400 --> 01:31:03,280
Speaker 3: You know, he broke his knuckles, you know, get banged up.

1862
01:31:03,280 --> 01:31:05,720
Speaker 3: The UFC fighting type shit. You know, that's not the

1863
01:31:05,760 --> 01:31:08,840
Speaker 3: mixed martial arts. So he became a trainer, and I

1864
01:31:08,840 --> 01:31:10,200
Speaker 3: thought that's what he was going to do, you know,

1865
01:31:10,280 --> 01:31:13,360
Speaker 3: get himself a big, nice gym. But now he started

1866
01:31:13,400 --> 01:31:15,840
Speaker 3: writing songs and singing music. They're playing music and he's

1867
01:31:15,960 --> 01:31:21,080
Speaker 3: really really good. And my oldest daughter, kam Up. She

1868
01:31:21,640 --> 01:31:25,040
Speaker 3: just got her first trust. She's twenty five, twenty seven now,

1869
01:31:25,120 --> 01:31:27,120
Speaker 3: she just got her first chunk, and she bought a

1870
01:31:27,200 --> 01:31:29,400
Speaker 3: nice little house in Maui where she wanted to live.

1871
01:31:29,640 --> 01:31:31,040
Speaker 2: She has skincare products.

1872
01:31:31,600 --> 01:31:34,599
Speaker 3: She's got two degrees in business and in fashion, and

1873
01:31:35,240 --> 01:31:40,040
Speaker 3: she's a meditation and yoga teacher and a complete holistic

1874
01:31:40,800 --> 01:31:42,040
Speaker 3: little queen.

1875
01:31:42,439 --> 01:31:44,240
Speaker 2: Little she just wonderful.

1876
01:31:44,760 --> 01:31:47,559
Speaker 3: And my youngest daughter, who hasn't got anything yet, she

1877
01:31:47,680 --> 01:31:51,080
Speaker 3: just turned twenty one. She's a barrel racer and she

1878
01:31:52,280 --> 01:31:56,400
Speaker 3: likes my booze business, which is really finally, finally, you know,

1879
01:31:57,000 --> 01:32:00,120
Speaker 3: someone like Andrew falling in my footsteps of music. I

1880
01:32:00,160 --> 01:32:04,799
Speaker 3: pray for him because it's not easy. But my daughter,

1881
01:32:04,920 --> 01:32:07,200
Speaker 3: I just I just pray that she will do it.

1882
01:32:07,240 --> 01:32:10,400
Speaker 3: She's she goes out on trips with my head of

1883
01:32:10,439 --> 01:32:14,120
Speaker 3: sales for the Beach Bark Cocktail Company, and she goes

1884
01:32:14,120 --> 01:32:17,120
Speaker 3: into accounts and she just landed the mix She took

1885
01:32:17,439 --> 01:32:20,760
Speaker 3: mixologist courses. She landed the mixology course at the a

1886
01:32:20,840 --> 01:32:23,880
Speaker 3: Montage Hotel in Healsburg, which is a really super high

1887
01:32:23,920 --> 01:32:26,759
Speaker 3: end place in the wine country. And so she's really

1888
01:32:27,200 --> 01:32:29,679
Speaker 3: going down that road. She's got she got a palette

1889
01:32:29,680 --> 01:32:33,120
Speaker 3: on her. You know, I use her with my products.

1890
01:32:33,160 --> 01:32:34,320
Speaker 3: I said, what do you think of this? You know,

1891
01:32:34,320 --> 01:32:37,320
Speaker 3: what do you think of this? She's she's awesome, and

1892
01:32:37,360 --> 01:32:41,679
Speaker 3: she's Samantha Hagar perfect, She's Sammy, but she drives a truck,

1893
01:32:41,800 --> 01:32:44,519
Speaker 3: she's got a horse. She's a fucking barrel racer. She's

1894
01:32:44,520 --> 01:32:48,120
Speaker 3: as redneck as you get. You know, she's all about that.

1895
01:32:48,400 --> 01:32:51,479
Speaker 3: Just it's they're all different. I mean, I'm talking about

1896
01:32:51,800 --> 01:32:53,080
Speaker 3: not even from the same planet.

1897
01:32:55,000 --> 01:32:58,759
Speaker 1: Okay, you've been married a couple of times. You got

1898
01:32:58,840 --> 01:33:03,400
Speaker 1: married before or you had your big success now, certainly

1899
01:33:03,400 --> 01:33:06,680
Speaker 1: at the time before the internet and cell phones, a

1900
01:33:06,720 --> 01:33:09,639
Speaker 1: lot of guys wanted to get successful so they could

1901
01:33:09,680 --> 01:33:15,120
Speaker 1: have some of the perks the lot rock and roll, lifestyle, romance, sex, etc.

1902
01:33:16,680 --> 01:33:20,759
Speaker 1: What have you learned about, you know, relationships, et cetera,

1903
01:33:20,880 --> 01:33:24,280
Speaker 1: being on the road so much being famous.

1904
01:33:24,880 --> 01:33:27,639
Speaker 3: Well, Bob, you know I've saw both sides of that movie.

1905
01:33:27,680 --> 01:33:30,280
Speaker 3: Let me tell you, I've been the worst husband on

1906
01:33:30,320 --> 01:33:32,479
Speaker 3: the planet and I've been the best husband on the planet,

1907
01:33:32,520 --> 01:33:34,599
Speaker 3: which I am now and have been for a long time.

1908
01:33:34,600 --> 01:33:39,960
Speaker 3: For my second marriage, I learned you never lie to anyone,

1909
01:33:40,680 --> 01:33:45,400
Speaker 3: to your children, and especially your spouse, your partner. You

1910
01:33:45,439 --> 01:33:49,639
Speaker 3: don't lie to that person. And so once I've became

1911
01:33:49,680 --> 01:33:52,240
Speaker 3: a rock star, we got married. We're high school sweethearts,

1912
01:33:52,960 --> 01:33:59,400
Speaker 3: and I was completely not it. Never had a relationship,

1913
01:33:59,439 --> 01:34:04,439
Speaker 3: but neversed another girl for seven years. And then I

1914
01:34:04,720 --> 01:34:07,479
Speaker 3: start getting a montross around on the road. I start

1915
01:34:07,560 --> 01:34:10,479
Speaker 3: becoming a rock star, and I started being a really

1916
01:34:10,960 --> 01:34:13,840
Speaker 3: very unfaithful person that I'm ashamed of.

1917
01:34:14,439 --> 01:34:16,400
Speaker 2: But I was having the time of my life. I mean,

1918
01:34:16,680 --> 01:34:18,960
Speaker 2: I'll admit that, you know I'm not. I'm not.

1919
01:34:20,200 --> 01:34:24,400
Speaker 3: But I became into a situation where I was lying

1920
01:34:24,439 --> 01:34:27,360
Speaker 3: all the time to her and I had to, and

1921
01:34:28,280 --> 01:34:33,479
Speaker 3: it was It's what ended my marriage. If I wouldn't

1922
01:34:33,520 --> 01:34:38,439
Speaker 3: have fallen in love with someone carry my wife now

1923
01:34:38,600 --> 01:34:43,000
Speaker 3: of twenty seven, I don't know, gotta be careful getting

1924
01:34:43,040 --> 01:34:46,759
Speaker 3: close to thirty with her. I had twenty four with Betsy,

1925
01:34:46,840 --> 01:34:50,400
Speaker 3: my previous marriage. And but if I would have never,

1926
01:34:50,600 --> 01:34:52,880
Speaker 3: if I could have got out of that lie, I

1927
01:34:53,000 --> 01:34:55,439
Speaker 3: probably would still be married to the same person. But

1928
01:34:55,479 --> 01:34:56,960
Speaker 3: I went and fell in love in the middle of

1929
01:34:56,960 --> 01:34:59,280
Speaker 3: the lie. So I once I got out of that

1930
01:35:00,360 --> 01:35:05,160
Speaker 3: relationship and the divorce and all that, I just made

1931
01:35:05,200 --> 01:35:09,240
Speaker 3: a pat I will never lie again, because that then

1932
01:35:09,280 --> 01:35:12,280
Speaker 3: you're you're fucked. You got to living a lie? Is

1933
01:35:12,439 --> 01:35:15,360
Speaker 3: it ruins anybody's life. Some people just go through life

1934
01:35:15,479 --> 01:35:18,000
Speaker 3: just lying, lie and lie and lying lying. And so

1935
01:35:18,600 --> 01:35:21,960
Speaker 3: that's what I learned about a relationship. Don't lie to

1936
01:35:22,040 --> 01:35:24,200
Speaker 3: your partner and if you can help, but don't cheat

1937
01:35:24,240 --> 01:35:26,800
Speaker 3: on them. And if you do, you should probably come

1938
01:35:26,840 --> 01:35:29,160
Speaker 3: clean with it sometime and hopefully it doesn't. You know,

1939
01:35:29,240 --> 01:35:33,639
Speaker 3: they're understanding and you can work it out. But because boy, uh,

1940
01:35:34,160 --> 01:35:39,280
Speaker 3: it's it's a big deal having a I feel terrible

1941
01:35:39,280 --> 01:35:43,679
Speaker 3: about my former relationship, even though I had the best

1942
01:35:43,720 --> 01:35:47,320
Speaker 3: time of my life from you know, being successful rockstar.

1943
01:35:47,400 --> 01:35:49,439
Speaker 2: I got to tell you, there is no better time.

1944
01:35:49,479 --> 01:35:52,040
Speaker 3: You can have fast cars, all the money in the world,

1945
01:35:52,240 --> 01:35:56,559
Speaker 3: jet airplanes, you know, sex, drugs and rock and roll.

1946
01:35:56,720 --> 01:35:58,320
Speaker 3: I never was a big drug guy, but you know

1947
01:35:58,400 --> 01:36:01,639
Speaker 3: I did enough to have fun and I and I sexually.

1948
01:36:01,680 --> 01:36:03,840
Speaker 3: I had more fund than anybody in the planets. That

1949
01:36:03,920 --> 01:36:09,160
Speaker 3: probably Rod story he was He might have been the

1950
01:36:09,160 --> 01:36:11,880
Speaker 3: most glamorous rock star, you know, him and Elvis. I

1951
01:36:12,200 --> 01:36:14,400
Speaker 3: can't imagine how much fun they must have had. But

1952
01:36:14,560 --> 01:36:17,040
Speaker 3: you know, I'm a very sexual person. I still am

1953
01:36:17,120 --> 01:36:20,160
Speaker 3: at my age and very very sexual and I think

1954
01:36:20,160 --> 01:36:22,560
Speaker 3: it's one of the most important things in the relationship

1955
01:36:22,840 --> 01:36:26,280
Speaker 3: to me. When it's over in the bedroom, that's when

1956
01:36:26,320 --> 01:36:30,320
Speaker 3: you start, you know, fooling around, looking around, looking at

1957
01:36:30,320 --> 01:36:35,519
Speaker 3: other women thinking, you know, it's it's really important a

1958
01:36:35,560 --> 01:36:38,040
Speaker 3: good physical relationship in a marriage.

1959
01:36:38,080 --> 01:36:39,000
Speaker 2: So that's what I've learned.

1960
01:36:39,760 --> 01:36:42,680
Speaker 3: Just don't lie to your partner and be as good

1961
01:36:42,680 --> 01:36:46,800
Speaker 3: as you can and keep the sexual drive going in

1962
01:36:46,840 --> 01:36:47,240
Speaker 3: the house.

1963
01:36:47,320 --> 01:36:49,920
Speaker 2: And usually you don't be looking around so much.

1964
01:36:49,800 --> 01:36:49,960
Speaker 3: You know.

1965
01:36:57,200 --> 01:37:00,320
Speaker 1: Okay, so you have so much going on with busy, this,

1966
01:37:00,439 --> 01:37:03,080
Speaker 1: et cetera. Where does music fit into all this?

1967
01:37:04,680 --> 01:37:06,080
Speaker 2: You know, it's all built around music.

1968
01:37:06,080 --> 01:37:09,240
Speaker 3: Bob Shep Gordon, that's the my genius buddy, He's the

1969
01:37:09,240 --> 01:37:11,639
Speaker 3: big I always say, checked the big brain out on Shep.

1970
01:37:12,200 --> 01:37:14,840
Speaker 3: He said to me one time he came and saw

1971
01:37:15,000 --> 01:37:18,200
Speaker 3: me when I first built the Cabo Wabbo and then

1972
01:37:18,320 --> 01:37:22,479
Speaker 3: Van Halen, when I start wearing shorts and T shirts

1973
01:37:22,520 --> 01:37:25,759
Speaker 3: on stage, you know, and I just didn't get dressed

1974
01:37:25,840 --> 01:37:28,280
Speaker 3: up anymore, just walk out on stage the way I

1975
01:37:28,400 --> 01:37:30,160
Speaker 3: was because I learned how to do that in Cabo.

1976
01:37:30,360 --> 01:37:32,360
Speaker 3: I come off the beach in Avadian suit flip flops,

1977
01:37:32,360 --> 01:37:34,800
Speaker 3: no shirt back in the day, and you know, I

1978
01:37:34,920 --> 01:37:37,080
Speaker 3: just jump up on stage and start jam with the band,

1979
01:37:37,160 --> 01:37:39,360
Speaker 3: you know, and it felt so good. You know, it's

1980
01:37:39,400 --> 01:37:42,080
Speaker 3: like wow. You know, they didn't pay I don't have

1981
01:37:42,120 --> 01:37:45,240
Speaker 3: to get fucking dressed up, you know. But I mean

1982
01:37:45,400 --> 01:37:47,559
Speaker 3: I get dressed up a little bit now again, because

1983
01:37:47,600 --> 01:37:50,080
Speaker 3: I feel like you kind of owe at least some

1984
01:37:50,160 --> 01:37:52,360
Speaker 3: kind of glamour to the business. I like to keep

1985
01:37:52,680 --> 01:37:54,720
Speaker 3: a little bit of that glamour going. I think it's

1986
01:37:54,760 --> 01:37:59,439
Speaker 3: important showbiz. But when I first start doing that ship

1987
01:37:59,680 --> 01:38:01,360
Speaker 3: and then I got thrown out of Van Halen, and

1988
01:38:01,400 --> 01:38:03,880
Speaker 3: I said, I'm never gonna get dressed up again. I'm

1989
01:38:03,880 --> 01:38:06,519
Speaker 3: never going to play with people that I don't get

1990
01:38:06,560 --> 01:38:08,479
Speaker 3: along with. You know that people are gonna fuck me.

1991
01:38:08,560 --> 01:38:10,800
Speaker 3: You know, I'm not gonna suck it away. And Sheep said, yeah,

1992
01:38:10,840 --> 01:38:12,519
Speaker 3: you remind me of Jimmy Buffett. You know he came

1993
01:38:12,520 --> 01:38:14,320
Speaker 3: down to Cowboys going. You remind me of Buffett. And

1994
01:38:14,320 --> 01:38:18,240
Speaker 3: I said, Jimmy Buffett, you know that one hit wonder.

1995
01:38:17,960 --> 01:38:19,679
Speaker 2: You know. I mean, I had no idea that Jimmy

1996
01:38:19,720 --> 01:38:20,479
Speaker 2: had this thing going.

1997
01:38:20,600 --> 01:38:26,320
Speaker 3: And and my wife Cary says, oh man, you you've

1998
01:38:26,360 --> 01:38:28,720
Speaker 3: never seen Jimmy Buffett, And I said no. She goes, well, god,

1999
01:38:28,720 --> 01:38:30,960
Speaker 3: you got to go see Jimmy Buffa. She was from Virginia,

2000
01:38:31,040 --> 01:38:32,840
Speaker 3: you know, beach and shit. She had seen him a

2001
01:38:32,920 --> 01:38:35,160
Speaker 3: hundred times. She took me to see him. And I

2002
01:38:35,160 --> 01:38:39,160
Speaker 3: walk into this nineteen thousand seed amplifier packed, sold out,

2003
01:38:39,640 --> 01:38:43,439
Speaker 3: fucking parrot heads and balloons and Frisbees, and it was

2004
01:38:43,520 --> 01:38:45,479
Speaker 3: like a day on the beach man. And he comes out.

2005
01:38:45,560 --> 01:38:48,120
Speaker 3: Nobody liked the grateful dead. Nobody's paying attention to Jimmy.

2006
01:38:48,240 --> 01:38:50,120
Speaker 3: They got their own party going. He just playing the

2007
01:38:50,120 --> 01:38:52,679
Speaker 3: background music. I'm going, this is fucking living right here,

2008
01:38:52,880 --> 01:38:55,479
Speaker 3: and I'm going, I'm down with this shit.

2009
01:38:55,640 --> 01:38:55,840
Speaker 2: You know.

2010
01:38:56,479 --> 01:38:59,960
Speaker 3: So I kind of really rolled heavily into that line

2011
01:39:00,000 --> 01:39:02,800
Speaker 3: lifestyle thing, and is what shef Gordon said.

2012
01:39:02,800 --> 01:39:03,880
Speaker 2: It was kind of managing me.

2013
01:39:04,280 --> 01:39:06,559
Speaker 3: He was co managing me and kind of executive managing

2014
01:39:06,600 --> 01:39:08,320
Speaker 3: me at that time and helping me when I was

2015
01:39:08,400 --> 01:39:10,479
Speaker 3: with the tequila. And he goes, he goes, man, you

2016
01:39:10,600 --> 01:39:12,840
Speaker 3: rolled it all into one. He's going, you know, since

2017
01:39:12,880 --> 01:39:14,840
Speaker 3: you don't have to put on different hats, you're not

2018
01:39:14,920 --> 01:39:18,280
Speaker 3: a businessman, you know, make your business your lifestyle, Make

2019
01:39:18,320 --> 01:39:21,439
Speaker 3: your lifestyle your business, and everything's related. So people drink

2020
01:39:21,479 --> 01:39:23,200
Speaker 3: your tequila and they come and see your music, and

2021
01:39:23,400 --> 01:39:25,120
Speaker 3: they have a better experience.

2022
01:39:25,160 --> 01:39:27,200
Speaker 2: And that's what I figured with the Cobble Wobble.

2023
01:39:27,240 --> 01:39:30,719
Speaker 3: I learned that you have a better experience if you're

2024
01:39:30,800 --> 01:39:32,719
Speaker 3: eating the same food I'm eating.

2025
01:39:32,840 --> 01:39:34,519
Speaker 2: These are my menu there, you know, I don't. I don't.

2026
01:39:35,120 --> 01:39:37,080
Speaker 2: I'm hands on with my restaurants.

2027
01:39:37,240 --> 01:39:39,519
Speaker 3: My food's got to be a certain you know, level,

2028
01:39:39,840 --> 01:39:42,799
Speaker 3: and a certain stop, and the type of drinks.

2029
01:39:43,000 --> 01:39:44,720
Speaker 2: And then you're up there playing the media. You're all

2030
01:39:44,800 --> 01:39:45,559
Speaker 2: drinking the same thing.

2031
01:39:45,760 --> 01:39:47,719
Speaker 3: It's like the old days, you know, in the Grateful

2032
01:39:47,760 --> 01:39:50,679
Speaker 3: Dead and the old Fillmore, where everybody took the same acid,

2033
01:39:51,000 --> 01:39:54,920
Speaker 3: smoking the same weed, and is this thing happens and

2034
01:39:54,960 --> 01:39:57,960
Speaker 3: it's a deeper experience. It's not just let's go see them,

2035
01:39:58,080 --> 01:40:01,040
Speaker 3: sit and seat, you know, drink a beer and go home.

2036
01:40:01,560 --> 01:40:03,920
Speaker 2: You know, you didn't that there's a better experience than that.

2037
01:40:04,080 --> 01:40:06,960
Speaker 3: So I I realized that that's where my music comes in,

2038
01:40:07,120 --> 01:40:10,559
Speaker 3: is that it's still an integral part of everything I do.

2039
01:40:11,120 --> 01:40:15,200
Speaker 3: I sit around and play music in my house more

2040
01:40:15,240 --> 01:40:17,599
Speaker 3: than anything else except cook and sleep.

2041
01:40:18,400 --> 01:40:18,560
Speaker 2: You know.

2042
01:40:18,600 --> 01:40:20,799
Speaker 3: I spend more time with my guitar. I write songs

2043
01:40:21,320 --> 01:40:23,519
Speaker 3: every day. This morning, I turned on my tape recorder.

2044
01:40:23,760 --> 01:40:29,200
Speaker 3: I played this this little una like a stone's kind

2045
01:40:29,200 --> 01:40:35,160
Speaker 3: of but can't you hear me knock it? I was

2046
01:40:35,200 --> 01:40:38,160
Speaker 3: thinking about that song and I was kind of riffing

2047
01:40:38,160 --> 01:40:39,599
Speaker 3: off of it. I had to turn my tape recorder.

2048
01:40:39,600 --> 01:40:41,720
Speaker 3: I say, oh, this is really cool. Look, because when

2049
01:40:41,760 --> 01:40:45,000
Speaker 3: you try to learn somebody else's thing, when you're like me,

2050
01:40:45,720 --> 01:40:47,840
Speaker 3: you end up writing your own thing. Because I can't

2051
01:40:47,840 --> 01:40:51,519
Speaker 3: ever learn to play somebody else's ship, right, you know,

2052
01:40:51,960 --> 01:40:53,920
Speaker 3: I can. I hit this bad note, but well that's

2053
01:40:54,000 --> 01:40:56,719
Speaker 3: kind of cool. Yeah, And that's half the way I write.

2054
01:40:57,120 --> 01:40:59,880
Speaker 3: I play music all the time. It's and I you know,

2055
01:41:00,160 --> 01:41:02,320
Speaker 3: I went down on my basement yesterday and sang for

2056
01:41:02,360 --> 01:41:04,920
Speaker 3: an hour. Just always try to keep my voice where

2057
01:41:05,000 --> 01:41:07,280
Speaker 3: for the emergency I had to jump on stage, I

2058
01:41:07,280 --> 01:41:10,200
Speaker 3: can sing. My voice is more important to me than

2059
01:41:10,240 --> 01:41:12,760
Speaker 3: my dick. And I'm not joking as much as I'm

2060
01:41:12,840 --> 01:41:16,120
Speaker 3: you know, my dick's important. But if it doesn't work

2061
01:41:16,280 --> 01:41:18,679
Speaker 3: for some reason, I say, well i'll work tomorrow.

2062
01:41:18,800 --> 01:41:20,840
Speaker 2: If my voice doesn't work, I'm going in.

2063
01:41:21,000 --> 01:41:23,760
Speaker 3: I'm fucked because you step up on stage and you

2064
01:41:23,840 --> 01:41:26,120
Speaker 3: can't sing. That's the most embarrassing thing on the planet.

2065
01:41:26,320 --> 01:41:30,479
Speaker 3: And I care about my voice and about my chops,

2066
01:41:30,520 --> 01:41:34,040
Speaker 3: and I'm ready, and I'm I'm That's why I'm I

2067
01:41:34,160 --> 01:41:35,559
Speaker 3: like to the idea of being able to jump on

2068
01:41:35,600 --> 01:41:38,720
Speaker 3: stage stress the way you are, because that way I

2069
01:41:38,720 --> 01:41:40,599
Speaker 3: feel like, well, I got all the other shit together

2070
01:41:40,720 --> 01:41:41,920
Speaker 3: in case I just have to do it.

2071
01:41:41,920 --> 01:41:42,599
Speaker 2: Well, I'm ready.

2072
01:41:42,640 --> 01:41:44,519
Speaker 3: You know, I don't want to say well I couldn't

2073
01:41:44,520 --> 01:41:48,160
Speaker 3: sing because I wasn't dressed, right, That would be kind

2074
01:41:48,160 --> 01:41:48,559
Speaker 3: of funny.

2075
01:41:48,880 --> 01:41:52,360
Speaker 2: Okay. I love my music now, it's my basis.

2076
01:41:52,479 --> 01:41:56,160
Speaker 1: You've had this great success, but parallel to your success

2077
01:41:56,200 --> 01:41:59,320
Speaker 1: in the twenty first century, the music business has changed.

2078
01:42:00,000 --> 01:42:03,640
Speaker 1: I don't care if you're Paul McCartney or your Bruce Springsteen.

2079
01:42:04,080 --> 01:42:09,040
Speaker 1: You make new music has a very minimal impact. Okay.

2080
01:42:09,080 --> 01:42:11,280
Speaker 1: Whereas it used to be went all the radio stations

2081
01:42:11,320 --> 01:42:13,160
Speaker 1: that we listened to the radio, there was a learned

2082
01:42:13,200 --> 01:42:16,040
Speaker 1: amount of product. Then there was MTV et cetera. Has

2083
01:42:16,120 --> 01:42:18,519
Speaker 1: this you know a lot of people stopped making new music.

2084
01:42:18,920 --> 01:42:22,479
Speaker 1: Has this affected your motivation? No?

2085
01:42:23,320 --> 01:42:23,719
Speaker 2: Uh.

2086
01:42:24,680 --> 01:42:28,960
Speaker 3: The thing that affected my motivation was I felt like

2087
01:42:29,040 --> 01:42:31,320
Speaker 3: I was dried up a little bit like I said,

2088
01:42:31,360 --> 01:42:33,200
Speaker 3: pretty much said it on you. I'm a lyricist, so

2089
01:42:33,240 --> 01:42:35,479
Speaker 3: I've written every lyric of every song.

2090
01:42:35,680 --> 01:42:37,479
Speaker 2: You know, I never have a lyricist for it.

2091
01:42:38,240 --> 01:42:41,519
Speaker 3: Well, a couple of times, but three out of five

2092
01:42:41,600 --> 01:42:45,760
Speaker 3: hundred songs I've written, I'm the lyricist. It's hard to

2093
01:42:45,920 --> 01:42:50,160
Speaker 3: find inspiration. So without inspiration, I won't just finish and

2094
01:42:50,160 --> 01:42:50,720
Speaker 3: write a song.

2095
01:42:50,760 --> 01:42:51,040
Speaker 2: I said.

2096
01:42:51,040 --> 01:42:53,160
Speaker 3: I was jamming around today, but I didn't have the

2097
01:42:53,200 --> 01:42:55,559
Speaker 3: inspiration to finish it.

2098
01:42:55,960 --> 01:42:56,200
Speaker 2: You know.

2099
01:42:56,560 --> 01:43:01,000
Speaker 3: Sometimes a song like father Time, which is my favorite

2100
01:43:01,000 --> 01:43:04,200
Speaker 3: song I've written in the last forty years, maybe maybe

2101
01:43:04,280 --> 01:43:08,320
Speaker 3: my whole life. It was so inspired that I picked

2102
01:43:08,360 --> 01:43:10,680
Speaker 3: up the guitar and just played it and say it.

2103
01:43:11,040 --> 01:43:13,639
Speaker 3: And I had to actually turn on my little tape

2104
01:43:13,640 --> 01:43:15,559
Speaker 3: recorder on my phone. I just had to say, fuck,

2105
01:43:15,560 --> 01:43:18,760
Speaker 3: I better record this. It's coming. It's coming, the whole thing,

2106
01:43:18,840 --> 01:43:22,280
Speaker 3: the words, everything I had a thought about. I told

2107
01:43:22,320 --> 01:43:25,519
Speaker 3: you about the growing old, thinking, wow, how many more

2108
01:43:25,600 --> 01:43:27,320
Speaker 3: years I got left. I started looking at the other

2109
01:43:27,400 --> 01:43:31,200
Speaker 3: side and and and I just the words just came,

2110
01:43:31,800 --> 01:43:34,000
Speaker 3: you know, And I just started talking about the situation

2111
01:43:34,120 --> 01:43:36,240
Speaker 3: I was in, and you know, where I was sitting,

2112
01:43:36,280 --> 01:43:38,400
Speaker 3: I hear the waves crashing I'm in my house in Maui.

2113
01:43:38,640 --> 01:43:40,599
Speaker 3: I'm hearing the waves crashing on the shore. That's been

2114
01:43:40,640 --> 01:43:43,000
Speaker 3: going on forever and more, you know, But there's something

2115
01:43:43,040 --> 01:43:47,240
Speaker 3: about the sun in Mexico. It just burns different. Those

2116
01:43:47,240 --> 01:43:50,160
Speaker 3: are lyrics that those were that was a thought that

2117
01:43:50,240 --> 01:43:52,400
Speaker 3: I had right then and there I'm hearing the waves

2118
01:43:52,400 --> 01:43:54,639
Speaker 3: crashing that's been going on for ever. Yeah, but I'm

2119
01:43:54,640 --> 01:43:56,880
Speaker 3: in Hawaii, Mexico. It's different, you know what I mean.

2120
01:43:57,120 --> 01:43:59,639
Speaker 3: And that's the kind of songs that I look for

2121
01:43:59,680 --> 01:44:02,240
Speaker 3: nowaday and if they come, enough comes, I'll make a

2122
01:44:02,280 --> 01:44:04,760
Speaker 3: record every time. And I'm sitting on about five of

2123
01:44:04,800 --> 01:44:07,400
Speaker 3: them right now, and I'm sitting and thinking, I don't

2124
01:44:07,400 --> 01:44:10,040
Speaker 3: feel like making another record, but I might have to

2125
01:44:10,360 --> 01:44:14,479
Speaker 3: my last one. Crazy times, you know, I think it's

2126
01:44:14,479 --> 01:44:17,840
Speaker 3: the best record I've made since Standy Hampton. You know,

2127
01:44:18,439 --> 01:44:21,000
Speaker 3: it's maybe Chicken Floy the first Chicken Fit record. I

2128
01:44:21,080 --> 01:44:23,439
Speaker 3: just think it's just fucking brilliant. I love that record.

2129
01:44:23,680 --> 01:44:25,920
Speaker 3: But I had a guy like Joe Satriani. It's like

2130
01:44:26,120 --> 01:44:28,920
Speaker 3: when you got a Eddie van Halen or Joe Satriani,

2131
01:44:29,439 --> 01:44:32,040
Speaker 3: it's much easier to be a lyricist, trust me, because

2132
01:44:32,040 --> 01:44:34,000
Speaker 3: they bring you a piece of music that just speaks

2133
01:44:34,040 --> 01:44:37,600
Speaker 3: to you. So I'm fine with making records. You know,

2134
01:44:37,600 --> 01:44:40,360
Speaker 3: I don't care about money I spent. I've probably lost

2135
01:44:40,400 --> 01:44:42,800
Speaker 3: three hundred and fifty thousand dollars on my last record.

2136
01:44:42,840 --> 01:44:45,360
Speaker 3: I paid for it, you know, I didn't care. I

2137
01:44:45,400 --> 01:44:47,960
Speaker 3: don't need a record company anymore. I mean I need

2138
01:44:48,000 --> 01:44:50,840
Speaker 3: them to distribute, but I don't need them to give

2139
01:44:50,920 --> 01:44:51,880
Speaker 3: me money to write.

2140
01:44:52,560 --> 01:44:52,760
Speaker 2: You know.

2141
01:44:54,200 --> 01:44:58,000
Speaker 1: Okay, on this last record, you work with Dave Cobb,

2142
01:44:58,280 --> 01:45:02,840
Speaker 1: who's the hottest, most respect producer national does Chris Stapleton

2143
01:45:02,840 --> 01:45:05,559
Speaker 1: along with a million other things. How did you hook

2144
01:45:05,640 --> 01:45:07,439
Speaker 1: up with Cobb? And what did he add?

2145
01:45:08,479 --> 01:45:11,400
Speaker 3: Oh, he's the greatest producer on the planet. Man, He's

2146
01:45:11,080 --> 01:45:15,280
Speaker 3: He's right up there with Templeman. You know, Ted Templeman

2147
01:45:15,400 --> 01:45:18,080
Speaker 3: was a great producer because because he produced you, he

2148
01:45:18,160 --> 01:45:22,040
Speaker 3: didn't make you come to him. You know, he took

2149
01:45:22,080 --> 01:45:24,680
Speaker 3: your music and just made it better. That's what Cobb does.

2150
01:45:24,720 --> 01:45:27,799
Speaker 3: He's brilliant. He's fucking the best. I've said I couldn't

2151
01:45:27,800 --> 01:45:29,679
Speaker 3: work with another producer ever, I don't think if I'd

2152
01:45:29,680 --> 01:45:31,400
Speaker 3: make another record have to be a cop. Well, he

2153
01:45:31,520 --> 01:45:34,320
Speaker 3: came to me, he said, he reached out to my

2154
01:45:34,360 --> 01:45:37,320
Speaker 3: management company and said his manager said, said, Dave wants

2155
01:45:37,320 --> 01:45:40,520
Speaker 3: to produce a Sammy Hagar record, and is he interested?

2156
01:45:40,640 --> 01:45:43,920
Speaker 3: And I said, look, yeah, you know, so I talked

2157
01:45:43,960 --> 01:45:45,240
Speaker 3: to him on the phone. I told him I wanted

2158
01:45:45,240 --> 01:45:47,160
Speaker 3: to make At that time with the Circle, when we

2159
01:45:47,160 --> 01:45:49,040
Speaker 3: were brand new, I said, I want to make a

2160
01:45:49,240 --> 01:45:52,000
Speaker 3: Maricana record. I want to make a record like the band,

2161
01:45:52,280 --> 01:45:55,040
Speaker 3: you know, like I want to write that kind of music.

2162
01:45:55,040 --> 01:45:59,639
Speaker 3: I want to be very acoustic and heavy harmony, very

2163
01:45:59,680 --> 01:46:01,519
Speaker 3: you know, Americana.

2164
01:46:00,920 --> 01:46:04,839
Speaker 2: You know, to the bone and bluesy folky.

2165
01:46:05,200 --> 01:46:07,720
Speaker 3: And he said, oh no, man, he goes, I grew

2166
01:46:07,800 --> 01:46:10,400
Speaker 3: up on fucking Stanley Hampton and fifty one fifty. Get

2167
01:46:10,439 --> 01:46:12,880
Speaker 3: the fuck out of here, he goes, I make those

2168
01:46:13,000 --> 01:46:13,679
Speaker 3: kind of records.

2169
01:46:13,720 --> 01:46:14,040
Speaker 2: I don't.

2170
01:46:14,360 --> 01:46:16,320
Speaker 3: I want to make a record of you because I

2171
01:46:16,400 --> 01:46:18,000
Speaker 3: want to make your record. I want to make the

2172
01:46:18,040 --> 01:46:22,679
Speaker 3: definitive Sammy Hagar record. I want Montrose, Sammy Hagar, Chicken

2173
01:46:22,680 --> 01:46:25,200
Speaker 3: Foot Van Halen, I want everything you did in that.

2174
01:46:25,320 --> 01:46:28,120
Speaker 3: I want to make it just you know, blah blah blah.

2175
01:46:28,160 --> 01:46:31,040
Speaker 3: I want Michael Anthony in there with you, with those harmonies.

2176
01:46:31,040 --> 01:46:33,439
Speaker 3: And I'm going, shit, Well, I just don't really want

2177
01:46:33,479 --> 01:46:35,599
Speaker 3: to make a record like that right now. And then

2178
01:46:35,880 --> 01:46:39,439
Speaker 3: a couple of years later, I started writing these cool

2179
01:46:39,520 --> 01:46:42,080
Speaker 3: songs I got, I got riffed out. I started playing

2180
01:46:42,120 --> 01:46:47,280
Speaker 3: these badass guitar riffs, and father Times was in my pocket.

2181
01:46:47,320 --> 01:46:49,960
Speaker 3: I'm going to have to record this song soon because otherwise,

2182
01:46:51,040 --> 01:46:52,679
Speaker 3: you know, it's just I'm.

2183
01:46:52,479 --> 01:46:53,760
Speaker 2: Not going to be in love with it the way

2184
01:46:53,800 --> 01:46:54,360
Speaker 2: I am now.

2185
01:46:54,960 --> 01:46:56,840
Speaker 3: It was a song that every time I sang, I

2186
01:46:56,880 --> 01:47:00,920
Speaker 3: got goosebumps and choked up. That's the kind of song

2187
01:47:01,000 --> 01:47:03,120
Speaker 3: I want to write, and that's what I want to sing.

2188
01:47:03,560 --> 01:47:04,120
Speaker 2: Goosebumps.

2189
01:47:04,120 --> 01:47:05,960
Speaker 3: It can be because it's so bad ass, and I

2190
01:47:05,960 --> 01:47:07,760
Speaker 3: could get tears of my eyes because it's so bad ass.

2191
01:47:07,840 --> 01:47:09,360
Speaker 3: It don't have to be a sad song, you know

2192
01:47:09,400 --> 01:47:12,519
Speaker 3: what I mean. But so anyway, so I said, okay,

2193
01:47:12,680 --> 01:47:13,800
Speaker 3: I want to do it, and he said I can

2194
01:47:13,800 --> 01:47:15,479
Speaker 3: do it, and blah blah blah, blah blah blah.

2195
01:47:15,520 --> 01:47:17,639
Speaker 2: We went back and it was the quickest record ever made.

2196
01:47:17,720 --> 01:47:19,960
Speaker 3: My life is right up there with fifty one to

2197
01:47:20,040 --> 01:47:22,640
Speaker 3: fifty in the first Montreals record. Those records are just

2198
01:47:22,680 --> 01:47:26,439
Speaker 3: done in ten days, you know, And god, it just

2199
01:47:26,520 --> 01:47:29,160
Speaker 3: he's so good. He pick up a guitar. He was

2200
01:47:29,200 --> 01:47:31,640
Speaker 3: the fifth beatle. I didn't even play guitar on a

2201
01:47:31,640 --> 01:47:35,040
Speaker 3: freaking record. He played all my parts and reinvented a

2202
01:47:35,080 --> 01:47:37,880
Speaker 3: lot of them, and him and Vic just smoked on

2203
01:47:37,960 --> 01:47:41,280
Speaker 3: guitars live as fuck. I sang every song live except

2204
01:47:41,320 --> 01:47:43,439
Speaker 3: for a couple of them Pump It Up. I couldn't

2205
01:47:43,439 --> 01:47:45,240
Speaker 3: sing the lyrics because I was trying to read them.

2206
01:47:45,280 --> 01:47:47,240
Speaker 3: There're too many lyrics. I didn't know him well enough,

2207
01:47:47,280 --> 01:47:49,559
Speaker 3: so I had to overdub those. And then the last

2208
01:47:49,560 --> 01:47:51,800
Speaker 3: two songs that we wrote, I didn't have lyrics for

2209
01:47:51,880 --> 01:47:57,280
Speaker 3: him because we wrote Crazy Times and we wrote Slow Drain,

2210
01:47:57,360 --> 01:48:01,240
Speaker 3: the opening track on the Spot. He co wrote it

2211
01:48:01,280 --> 01:48:03,479
Speaker 3: with me and Uh. I had to go home and

2212
01:48:03,479 --> 01:48:05,800
Speaker 3: write the lyrics that night, and I did and came

2213
01:48:05,840 --> 01:48:07,800
Speaker 3: back the next day and sang them, and we were

2214
01:48:07,840 --> 01:48:08,960
Speaker 3: done with that freaking record.

2215
01:48:09,040 --> 01:48:10,559
Speaker 4: And then.

2216
01:48:12,439 --> 01:48:15,960
Speaker 3: Mercuridius said I played it for him because I wanted

2217
01:48:16,080 --> 01:48:19,559
Speaker 3: I wanted an opinion. I would have wanted your opinion, Bob.

2218
01:48:19,600 --> 01:48:21,439
Speaker 3: I'm not just saying this because I'm talking to you now.

2219
01:48:21,880 --> 01:48:22,080
Speaker 2: You know.

2220
01:48:22,160 --> 01:48:24,360
Speaker 3: I wasn't thinking he was reaching out to me at

2221
01:48:24,400 --> 01:48:26,479
Speaker 3: the time because he wanted to hear the record. Because

2222
01:48:26,479 --> 01:48:28,880
Speaker 3: of David Cobb. A lot of people were saying, hey,

2223
01:48:29,000 --> 01:48:30,559
Speaker 3: we want to hear what you guys are doing. It's

2224
01:48:30,560 --> 01:48:32,920
Speaker 3: a country what is it? No, it's rock, man, It's

2225
01:48:32,960 --> 01:48:35,800
Speaker 3: fucking right. And anyway, so I took it this house.

2226
01:48:35,840 --> 01:48:38,200
Speaker 3: I played it for him and he said that last

2227
01:48:38,240 --> 01:48:42,599
Speaker 3: song is just classic childhood's end. He goes, you need

2228
01:48:42,640 --> 01:48:45,200
Speaker 3: to take a piece of that and re record it,

2229
01:48:45,280 --> 01:48:47,680
Speaker 3: running through some effects way in the backgroun. He just

2230
01:48:47,720 --> 01:48:49,439
Speaker 3: came up with this wild idea and put it at

2231
01:48:49,479 --> 01:48:52,599
Speaker 3: the beginning, just for a few seconds, and then you

2232
01:48:52,640 --> 01:48:55,559
Speaker 3: have a concept record. And I said, wow, you're right,

2233
01:48:55,680 --> 01:48:57,960
Speaker 3: I do because it was it is a concept record.

2234
01:48:58,400 --> 01:49:01,200
Speaker 2: It's about Covid child who's.

2235
01:49:01,000 --> 01:49:03,320
Speaker 3: In Man, we're all grown up now, went we all

2236
01:49:03,360 --> 01:49:06,759
Speaker 3: went through that shit together and nobody, We're not fooling ourselves.

2237
01:49:06,760 --> 01:49:09,439
Speaker 2: Man, this is real, uh, hard times.

2238
01:49:10,080 --> 01:49:12,840
Speaker 3: And so I re recorded that thing and Cobb did

2239
01:49:12,920 --> 01:49:14,720
Speaker 3: it in the hotel room. He was on tour with

2240
01:49:14,880 --> 01:49:17,160
Speaker 3: Chris Stapleton. He was in Vegas in a hotel room.

2241
01:49:17,320 --> 01:49:19,160
Speaker 3: I told him what I wanted to do. He got

2242
01:49:19,200 --> 01:49:22,600
Speaker 3: acoustic guitar. He put it on his frecking iPhone. He

2243
01:49:22,640 --> 01:49:24,720
Speaker 3: played the acoustic guitar part. He said, I want to

2244
01:49:24,760 --> 01:49:26,280
Speaker 3: do it different because I want to put it in

2245
01:49:26,280 --> 01:49:27,960
Speaker 3: a different key so that you don't have to scream it.

2246
01:49:28,120 --> 01:49:30,000
Speaker 3: And I said yeah, yeah, yeah, and then he sent

2247
01:49:30,080 --> 01:49:32,280
Speaker 3: it to me. I went into my studio played his

2248
01:49:32,360 --> 01:49:35,920
Speaker 3: thing back, saying it sent it to him. He's on

2249
01:49:35,960 --> 01:49:37,840
Speaker 3: the front of the record and we have a concept record.

2250
01:49:38,120 --> 01:49:41,320
Speaker 3: I mean, that's how brilliant he is. He's just ficking good.

2251
01:49:41,720 --> 01:49:43,840
Speaker 3: I never see a guy work so fast and don't

2252
01:49:44,000 --> 01:49:48,160
Speaker 3: he don't get hung up. He never says hmmm, let

2253
01:49:48,200 --> 01:49:51,920
Speaker 3: me no, no, He just fucking you know, yeah, boom,

2254
01:49:51,960 --> 01:49:54,320
Speaker 3: let's do there. Okay, don't play let's watch out, watch

2255
01:49:54,320 --> 01:49:56,120
Speaker 3: out your drum part there to go back to the bridge,

2256
01:49:56,160 --> 01:49:56,679
Speaker 3: play the bridge?

2257
01:49:56,720 --> 01:49:58,120
Speaker 2: Good? Yeah, Well, you know he's like that.

2258
01:49:58,200 --> 01:50:02,559
Speaker 3: He just bam bam, bam bam and just orchestrating and

2259
01:50:03,000 --> 01:50:04,000
Speaker 3: has his shit together.

2260
01:50:04,040 --> 01:50:08,240
Speaker 2: He's a bad motherfucker excuse. And so is Chris Stapleton,

2261
01:50:08,280 --> 01:50:08,679
Speaker 2: by the way.

2262
01:50:11,000 --> 01:50:15,920
Speaker 1: Okay, so you make new music when you go play live,

2263
01:50:16,680 --> 01:50:20,360
Speaker 1: it's like Jimmy Buffett. There's a core number of songs

2264
01:50:20,800 --> 01:50:24,720
Speaker 1: that he has to play every night. Okay, do you

2265
01:50:24,960 --> 01:50:27,759
Speaker 1: find that your audience will listen to the new music.

2266
01:50:28,320 --> 01:50:34,040
Speaker 3: Absolutely, I didn't this new record. I wanted to go

2267
01:50:34,040 --> 01:50:36,760
Speaker 3: out and play the whole damn record. But I took

2268
01:50:36,800 --> 01:50:39,800
Speaker 3: the year off, you know, I did. I did a

2269
01:50:39,840 --> 01:50:43,680
Speaker 3: quick tour with George Throgod last year and then and

2270
01:50:43,720 --> 01:50:46,200
Speaker 3: then this year I wanted to take off. And so

2271
01:50:46,960 --> 01:50:50,040
Speaker 3: the record's coming gone now and we never got to

2272
01:50:50,080 --> 01:50:51,679
Speaker 3: rehearse and build a new show.

2273
01:50:52,080 --> 01:50:53,559
Speaker 2: We just do spotty shows.

2274
01:50:53,600 --> 01:50:55,599
Speaker 3: And I said, oh, I'll take that weekend like we're

2275
01:50:55,600 --> 01:50:58,080
Speaker 3: playing Vegas and Tahoe in a couple of weeks.

2276
01:50:58,400 --> 01:50:59,800
Speaker 2: And I say, well, I guess got to do the

2277
01:50:59,840 --> 01:51:01,000
Speaker 2: same show. You know.

2278
01:51:01,200 --> 01:51:03,840
Speaker 3: Maybe we'll throw one new song, because this band can

2279
01:51:03,960 --> 01:51:05,639
Speaker 3: learn in the dresser and we can play a new

2280
01:51:05,680 --> 01:51:07,880
Speaker 3: song just like and we we do it constantly. We

2281
01:51:08,000 --> 01:51:10,320
Speaker 3: always sew a new song or two, and especially the

2282
01:51:10,400 --> 01:51:12,880
Speaker 3: van Halen stuff. We got a reservoir of van Halen

2283
01:51:13,000 --> 01:51:15,960
Speaker 3: that we can play. Sometimes we go out and say,

2284
01:51:16,160 --> 01:51:18,160
Speaker 3: let's just play a fucking hour of van Halen. This

2285
01:51:18,240 --> 01:51:19,920
Speaker 3: fuck with these people hard, you know what I mean,

2286
01:51:20,040 --> 01:51:22,720
Speaker 3: They keep it hit you know, fifty one, fifty oh

2287
01:51:22,920 --> 01:51:25,040
Speaker 3: you know, oh you wait one too, you know, four

2288
01:51:25,080 --> 01:51:27,320
Speaker 3: and off gone out. So we'll play a record a

2289
01:51:27,400 --> 01:51:30,040
Speaker 3: song from all these different things, and you know, the

2290
01:51:30,080 --> 01:51:32,519
Speaker 3: audience goes crazy, they lap it up. They'd rather hear

2291
01:51:32,560 --> 01:51:37,360
Speaker 3: that than anything. But my songs are I can deliver.

2292
01:51:37,479 --> 01:51:40,000
Speaker 3: I'm a I'm a performer, you know, I'm more than

2293
01:51:40,360 --> 01:51:42,960
Speaker 3: an artist. I think it being such a performer. I'm

2294
01:51:43,000 --> 01:51:46,040
Speaker 3: such a performer. That has kept me from getting artists respect,

2295
01:51:46,240 --> 01:51:48,040
Speaker 3: like you know, like these guys that just stand there

2296
01:51:48,080 --> 01:51:51,599
Speaker 3: and sing, and you know, I never get that respect.

2297
01:51:51,600 --> 01:51:51,760
Speaker 2: You know.

2298
01:51:51,760 --> 01:51:54,400
Speaker 3: They always talk about my show and my rap, what

2299
01:51:54,520 --> 01:51:57,439
Speaker 3: I sit on stage, and my antics and and this

2300
01:51:57,479 --> 01:51:59,840
Speaker 3: and that. So I jump around and run around. I

2301
01:51:59,840 --> 01:52:02,200
Speaker 3: can deliver a song, a brand new song, as good

2302
01:52:02,200 --> 01:52:04,920
Speaker 3: as I can deliver. I can't drive fifty five, so

2303
01:52:04,920 --> 01:52:07,439
Speaker 3: so I don't worry about new songs and my fans

2304
01:52:07,960 --> 01:52:10,280
Speaker 3: if I'm not opening for someone, which I never do.

2305
01:52:11,280 --> 01:52:13,920
Speaker 3: If they're all my fans, and they'll they love anything

2306
01:52:13,960 --> 01:52:15,680
Speaker 3: because they're used to be in cabbo where I go

2307
01:52:15,720 --> 01:52:17,479
Speaker 3: on stage and I'll play two hours, but not even

2308
01:52:17,479 --> 01:52:19,679
Speaker 3: play one of my own songs, you know, for two

2309
01:52:19,720 --> 01:52:22,840
Speaker 3: ficking hours with the right guys, you know, so they're

2310
01:52:22,960 --> 01:52:25,760
Speaker 3: used to that. You know, I'm almost like the grateful dead.

2311
01:52:25,920 --> 01:52:27,960
Speaker 3: They're used to saying, well, these you don't know what

2312
01:52:28,000 --> 01:52:29,559
Speaker 3: you're gonna get, but you know you're going to get

2313
01:52:29,600 --> 01:52:32,360
Speaker 3: a party, you know. And I like being that guy.

2314
01:52:32,479 --> 01:52:35,720
Speaker 3: I love it, and I of course I play. I

2315
01:52:35,760 --> 01:52:39,439
Speaker 3: always end the show with mas tequila, heavy metal, one

2316
01:52:39,479 --> 01:52:41,960
Speaker 3: way to rock or if I can't drive fifty five.

2317
01:52:42,080 --> 01:52:45,400
Speaker 3: Almost always end my set that way. I don't do

2318
01:52:45,560 --> 01:52:48,320
Speaker 3: encores anymore, haven't done on Coors for fifteen years since

2319
01:52:48,320 --> 01:52:49,559
Speaker 3: I left fan Hanel, and I don't think.

2320
01:52:49,760 --> 01:52:52,559
Speaker 2: I don't leave the stage. I finish my show.

2321
01:52:53,000 --> 01:52:55,360
Speaker 3: There's an hour and forty minutes whatever it is, and

2322
01:52:56,040 --> 01:52:59,120
Speaker 3: I stand there and I've opened up a cocktail or

2323
01:52:59,200 --> 01:53:01,759
Speaker 3: make mix myself a drink right out stage. We fuck around,

2324
01:53:01,800 --> 01:53:04,559
Speaker 3: Everybody goes to towels off, Mike and I do a toast,

2325
01:53:04,800 --> 01:53:06,439
Speaker 3: do a couple of shots, a couple of pops.

2326
01:53:06,680 --> 01:53:08,439
Speaker 2: Drummer walks around. You know.

2327
01:53:08,479 --> 01:53:10,639
Speaker 3: I talk to the people and they don't even bother,

2328
01:53:10,800 --> 01:53:14,040
Speaker 3: like yeah me. You know they know that we're not done,

2329
01:53:14,080 --> 01:53:15,880
Speaker 3: you know. And then when I feel like it, then

2330
01:53:15,880 --> 01:53:17,320
Speaker 3: we just start playing encores.

2331
01:53:17,760 --> 01:53:21,280
Speaker 2: And I usually like to end my whole show of

2332
01:53:21,479 --> 01:53:22,240
Speaker 2: all together.

2333
01:53:22,320 --> 01:53:25,559
Speaker 3: Before you walk out that show, you're gonna hear either

2334
01:53:25,640 --> 01:53:30,360
Speaker 3: Eagles Fly, Father Time now or when it's Love by

2335
01:53:30,439 --> 01:53:34,760
Speaker 3: Van Halem, and it's usually Eagles Fly or Father Time,

2336
01:53:35,280 --> 01:53:37,640
Speaker 3: and then when it's love and then it's all like,

2337
01:53:37,960 --> 01:53:38,360
Speaker 3: thank you.

2338
01:53:38,680 --> 01:53:39,880
Speaker 2: This is what it's all about. You know.

2339
01:53:39,960 --> 01:53:42,519
Speaker 3: That song it's one of the greatest ballads ever written

2340
01:53:42,960 --> 01:53:45,479
Speaker 3: in the history of rock, I think. And I'm proud

2341
01:53:45,520 --> 01:53:48,280
Speaker 3: of that lyric. I'm proud of that music Eddie wrote.

2342
01:53:48,360 --> 01:53:52,320
Speaker 3: And that song gives me the goosebumps every freaking time.

2343
01:53:52,640 --> 01:53:58,120
Speaker 3: So that's playing new songs, it just would just be

2344
01:53:58,160 --> 01:54:00,519
Speaker 3: it's just part of the event because it's an it's

2345
01:54:00,560 --> 01:54:03,080
Speaker 3: not a show, it's not a set, you know.

2346
01:54:03,600 --> 01:54:06,200
Speaker 2: And I can't wait to go back out again.

2347
01:54:07,360 --> 01:54:12,000
Speaker 3: And I'm really interested in really really digging deep into

2348
01:54:12,080 --> 01:54:16,439
Speaker 3: van Halen. See I've shied away from doing that because

2349
01:54:16,560 --> 01:54:21,720
Speaker 3: of now you know, the friction between us and you know,

2350
01:54:21,760 --> 01:54:24,240
Speaker 3: and there was van Halen. But now that Eddie's gone

2351
01:54:24,800 --> 01:54:28,640
Speaker 3: and I've hit al a hundred times out, call me.

2352
01:54:28,920 --> 01:54:31,240
Speaker 3: Let's get together. Let's make some music, you know what

2353
01:54:31,280 --> 01:54:33,760
Speaker 3: I mean. It's not about trying to be van Halen.

2354
01:54:33,840 --> 01:54:37,000
Speaker 3: It's about give a servant the fans, and let's play

2355
01:54:37,040 --> 01:54:40,040
Speaker 3: that music together. For God's sakes, how could you not

2356
01:54:40,680 --> 01:54:42,800
Speaker 3: when you're the least singers still alive. You've got two

2357
01:54:42,840 --> 01:54:45,080
Speaker 3: of them that are still alive. One of them is

2358
01:54:45,320 --> 01:54:50,320
Speaker 3: less user friendly. But Mikey and Alan myself just let's

2359
01:54:50,320 --> 01:54:53,720
Speaker 3: just go play music, you know, And he just won't respond.

2360
01:54:54,240 --> 01:54:57,800
Speaker 3: Since Eddie's death, he's been really shut down with me anyway.

2361
01:54:58,120 --> 01:55:01,240
Speaker 3: So I'm gonna go out and play that fucking music,

2362
01:55:01,640 --> 01:55:03,920
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. I feel like it's well,

2363
01:55:03,960 --> 01:55:06,440
Speaker 3: I can still sing it. I got Michael Anthony, He's

2364
01:55:06,480 --> 01:55:08,840
Speaker 3: the other half. We call ourselves the other half, you know.

2365
01:55:08,880 --> 01:55:11,680
Speaker 3: There's ed All and Sam and Mike, you know, and

2366
01:55:11,720 --> 01:55:16,600
Speaker 3: we've roomed that we've traveled that way too. So I'm

2367
01:55:16,640 --> 01:55:20,920
Speaker 3: really horny after taking this year off to do some

2368
01:55:21,080 --> 01:55:24,200
Speaker 3: of them, more of even more than I've ever done,

2369
01:55:24,240 --> 01:55:27,000
Speaker 3: because I think the fans need it, you know. I

2370
01:55:27,560 --> 01:55:29,840
Speaker 3: just hope I can sing long enough to be able

2371
01:55:29,880 --> 01:55:31,800
Speaker 3: to play my greatest hits, A little Chicken Foot, a

2372
01:55:31,800 --> 01:55:34,640
Speaker 3: little Montros. Always got to play one Mantro song, you know,

2373
01:55:34,720 --> 01:55:37,560
Speaker 3: Space Station of five, rock Candy or Bad Motor Scooter.

2374
01:55:37,640 --> 01:55:41,840
Speaker 3: I mean, I have to do that, and I don't know,

2375
01:55:42,000 --> 01:55:43,800
Speaker 3: so if I can my voice a hold up to

2376
01:55:43,840 --> 01:55:44,600
Speaker 3: be able to sing two.

2377
01:55:44,520 --> 01:55:45,760
Speaker 2: And a half or three hours.

2378
01:55:46,000 --> 01:55:48,680
Speaker 3: Maybe taking a break in between, maybe Mikey sings a

2379
01:55:48,720 --> 01:55:50,920
Speaker 3: few of the old Van Halen songs and like we

2380
01:55:50,960 --> 01:55:53,080
Speaker 3: do now, he sings around with the Devil, or he

2381
01:55:53,160 --> 01:55:54,960
Speaker 3: sings Ain't talking about love in the middle of the show.

2382
01:55:55,320 --> 01:55:56,960
Speaker 3: Maybe he sings a few more of those and I

2383
01:55:57,000 --> 01:55:59,400
Speaker 3: take a little break, but somehow so we can get

2384
01:55:59,400 --> 01:56:04,240
Speaker 3: it all in to the definitive Sammy show. You know,

2385
01:56:05,320 --> 01:56:07,120
Speaker 3: let's you know, finish what you started here, you know

2386
01:56:07,160 --> 01:56:12,360
Speaker 3: what I mean. It's like Eddie's death really really made

2387
01:56:12,400 --> 01:56:15,600
Speaker 3: it so dysfunctional because either you know, him and I

2388
01:56:15,680 --> 01:56:17,680
Speaker 3: were the fearless leaders, you know, really, I mean, roth

2389
01:56:17,840 --> 01:56:19,800
Speaker 3: was a leader in his day. I was a leader

2390
01:56:19,800 --> 01:56:22,440
Speaker 3: in my day, and then Eddie became the leader, you know,

2391
01:56:22,800 --> 01:56:26,240
Speaker 3: after I was gone, and it's like without a leader,

2392
01:56:26,800 --> 01:56:28,720
Speaker 3: there's no one hurting the cats, you know.

2393
01:56:28,960 --> 01:56:31,600
Speaker 2: And Wolfey it's not his job. You know, I love

2394
01:56:31,640 --> 01:56:32,280
Speaker 2: what he's doing.

2395
01:56:32,320 --> 01:56:35,200
Speaker 3: He's he's killing it out there by himself, you know,

2396
01:56:35,360 --> 01:56:38,000
Speaker 3: playing all the instruments. You know, he doesn't want to

2397
01:56:38,000 --> 01:56:40,240
Speaker 3: carry on the vand Handle legacy, but it has to

2398
01:56:40,320 --> 01:56:42,640
Speaker 3: be carried on. Some of the greatest songs in rock

2399
01:56:42,720 --> 01:56:45,920
Speaker 3: ever written, and for nobody to be able to go

2400
01:56:45,960 --> 01:56:48,080
Speaker 3: out there and do the whole thing is crazy. You know,

2401
01:56:48,200 --> 01:56:51,080
Speaker 3: Roth can't sing my song, so he you know, I

2402
01:56:51,080 --> 01:56:52,720
Speaker 3: don't want to say it, but you know he he

2403
01:56:52,760 --> 01:56:54,560
Speaker 3: doesn't do that great of a job on his own,

2404
01:56:54,680 --> 01:56:57,160
Speaker 3: so he don't want to. He don't want to mess

2405
01:56:57,200 --> 01:57:00,440
Speaker 3: around with mind. But you know I can sing his songs,

2406
01:57:00,440 --> 01:57:02,440
Speaker 3: and Mikey can sing his songs. It's like, you know,

2407
01:57:02,560 --> 01:57:05,280
Speaker 3: if he wanted to join us, oh, I'd say, come

2408
01:57:05,320 --> 01:57:07,720
Speaker 3: on in a minute, but I already tried that. He's

2409
01:57:07,760 --> 01:57:12,040
Speaker 3: not so user friendly. But they're not criticizing him at all. Man,

2410
01:57:12,080 --> 01:57:16,640
Speaker 3: those songs are great. The early fucking van Halen. Van

2411
01:57:16,720 --> 01:57:20,160
Speaker 3: Halen don't have a stinker in their whole fucking catalog.

2412
01:57:20,240 --> 01:57:24,760
Speaker 3: You know, even stupid songs like on the Inside that

2413
01:57:24,800 --> 01:57:27,920
Speaker 3: we did on fifty and fifty, it's still great. You know,

2414
01:57:28,640 --> 01:57:30,800
Speaker 3: ice cream, man, it's still great. You know they're they're

2415
01:57:31,480 --> 01:57:33,520
Speaker 3: they could do no wrong. You got fucking Eddy van

2416
01:57:33,520 --> 01:57:37,200
Speaker 3: Halen playing guitar. It's got to come out pretty good.

2417
01:57:38,040 --> 01:57:40,960
Speaker 1: Okay, speaking of songs, and you mentioned Murk, which has

2418
01:57:41,040 --> 01:57:43,919
Speaker 1: the company Hypnosis, who owns your songs.

2419
01:57:43,960 --> 01:57:48,560
Speaker 3: Now, I sold a great deal of my early catalog

2420
01:57:48,680 --> 01:57:51,920
Speaker 3: to Warner Chapel, which was my you know label for

2421
01:57:52,040 --> 01:57:53,960
Speaker 3: most of the years for all that, and they've always

2422
01:57:53,960 --> 01:57:57,800
Speaker 3: been my publishers, and I sold a lot of it

2423
01:57:57,840 --> 01:57:59,600
Speaker 3: to them, but not my new stuff.

2424
01:57:59,600 --> 01:58:00,960
Speaker 2: I still own all my new stuff.

2425
01:58:01,000 --> 01:58:07,000
Speaker 3: And when I say my new stuff from about Chicken

2426
01:58:07,000 --> 01:58:07,600
Speaker 3: foot on.

2427
01:58:08,760 --> 01:58:12,800
Speaker 1: Now you sold the stuff, do you regret selling it?

2428
01:58:13,360 --> 01:58:13,560
Speaker 2: No?

2429
01:58:14,680 --> 01:58:18,440
Speaker 3: The I mean if I needed money, I would regret

2430
01:58:18,480 --> 01:58:20,440
Speaker 3: because the amount you can sell it for today from

2431
01:58:20,480 --> 01:58:23,960
Speaker 3: what I sold it for is like ten times. But

2432
01:58:24,080 --> 01:58:27,440
Speaker 3: I don't need money, so I don't regret because the

2433
01:58:27,480 --> 01:58:32,000
Speaker 3: amount of money those songs were earning and for compared

2434
01:58:32,240 --> 01:58:35,520
Speaker 3: per year, it would have taken me twenty years to

2435
01:58:35,520 --> 01:58:38,480
Speaker 3: get the money that I sold them for. And I thought, well,

2436
01:58:38,880 --> 01:58:40,920
Speaker 3: why just sit and collect them little trinkets when I

2437
01:58:40,920 --> 01:58:43,040
Speaker 3: could have a big chunk and I can do something

2438
01:58:43,080 --> 01:58:45,880
Speaker 3: with that, right, And that was my philosophy way back then,

2439
01:58:45,960 --> 01:58:47,680
Speaker 3: way before these people were selling their kind of like

2440
01:58:47,800 --> 01:58:50,160
Speaker 3: boy was the only guy that you know, I remember

2441
01:58:50,280 --> 01:58:53,280
Speaker 3: Bowie sold his rights years ago. First got to do that,

2442
01:58:53,640 --> 01:58:56,200
Speaker 3: and that impressed the fuck out of me. But I

2443
01:58:56,200 --> 01:58:57,640
Speaker 3: didn't know how I was going to do it.

2444
01:58:57,680 --> 01:58:57,880
Speaker 2: You know.

2445
01:58:57,920 --> 01:59:00,840
Speaker 3: It's like nobody was beating on my doors saying hey,

2446
01:59:01,280 --> 01:59:03,200
Speaker 3: So Warner Chell said hey, we want, you know, want

2447
01:59:03,240 --> 01:59:07,040
Speaker 3: to buy you your songs, and I thought, well, maybe

2448
01:59:07,080 --> 01:59:09,600
Speaker 3: they'll do something with them. You know, that would be

2449
01:59:09,640 --> 01:59:13,840
Speaker 3: great because the music just kind of sitting there dying.

2450
01:59:14,080 --> 01:59:16,840
Speaker 3: Things were changing, records weren't selling. So I thought it

2451
01:59:16,920 --> 01:59:19,040
Speaker 3: made a good deal. And I did make a good deal,

2452
01:59:19,200 --> 01:59:22,040
Speaker 3: but not by today's standards. So I'm like Mark, you know,

2453
01:59:22,320 --> 01:59:26,720
Speaker 3: I'm sure he would be right there in line. He's

2454
01:59:26,760 --> 01:59:29,040
Speaker 3: a fan, and we talked about it.

2455
01:59:29,080 --> 01:59:29,480
Speaker 2: Believe me.

2456
01:59:29,560 --> 01:59:32,040
Speaker 3: You know, it's like, yeah, if I needed money, I'd

2457
01:59:32,040 --> 01:59:33,640
Speaker 3: be kicking myself and the assid right now.

2458
01:59:34,440 --> 01:59:36,560
Speaker 2: I'll just sell another tequila company. What the hell?

2459
01:59:36,760 --> 01:59:36,960
Speaker 3: You know?

2460
01:59:38,520 --> 01:59:41,880
Speaker 1: Okay, going back to Van Haalen, Legendarily, you were hooked

2461
01:59:41,920 --> 01:59:46,080
Speaker 1: up by your mechanic. Yeah, you had been with mocros

2462
01:59:46,120 --> 01:59:50,720
Speaker 1: on Warner Brothers. You were then with Capital, you'd switch

2463
01:59:50,880 --> 01:59:55,320
Speaker 1: to Geffen. You really had some emphasis, you were really

2464
01:59:55,360 --> 01:59:59,840
Speaker 1: going you go to play with the boys and ye,

2465
02:00:00,440 --> 02:00:04,160
Speaker 1: well wait a second, you know I got something going

2466
02:00:04,200 --> 02:00:06,640
Speaker 1: on with myself phone. Do you immediately say I'm all in.

2467
02:00:08,360 --> 02:00:11,280
Speaker 3: Boy? Bob you're telling it like it is. I didn't

2468
02:00:11,400 --> 02:00:13,880
Speaker 3: plan on joining that band for five seconds. When Eddie

2469
02:00:13,880 --> 02:00:17,440
Speaker 3: called me, I thought, oh, this is great. Because I

2470
02:00:17,560 --> 02:00:20,520
Speaker 3: was talking to Ted. I was getting ready to start writing.

2471
02:00:21,680 --> 02:00:23,120
Speaker 3: You know, I've just come off tour, but I was

2472
02:00:23,160 --> 02:00:25,560
Speaker 3: gonna start writing, and Ted was coaching me all the time. Hey,

2473
02:00:25,840 --> 02:00:27,840
Speaker 3: you know, how about this song? How about that song?

2474
02:00:27,880 --> 02:00:29,880
Speaker 3: With a song like this? I was sending him little

2475
02:00:29,920 --> 02:00:31,920
Speaker 3: snippets and we were talking about doing a new wear.

2476
02:00:31,960 --> 02:00:34,360
Speaker 3: So I thought, oh, fuck, man, I'll get Eddie to

2477
02:00:34,360 --> 02:00:37,240
Speaker 3: play on my record. This would be like the shit. Yeah,

2478
02:00:37,080 --> 02:00:39,640
Speaker 3: oh boy, but what was it. I wouldn't even considering

2479
02:00:39,720 --> 02:00:42,400
Speaker 3: joining that band. You know, I was selling double arenas

2480
02:00:42,440 --> 02:00:45,680
Speaker 3: almost in every city at that time, and Platt every

2481
02:00:45,680 --> 02:00:50,560
Speaker 3: album was platinum, you know, so uh I it was

2482
02:00:50,600 --> 02:00:53,480
Speaker 3: so weird. I thought, well, Eddie says, well, just come

2483
02:00:53,480 --> 02:00:55,880
Speaker 3: on down. I said, oh, man, I just got off

2484
02:00:55,960 --> 02:00:58,040
Speaker 3: on tour. Just cut all my hair off. Man, I

2485
02:00:58,640 --> 02:01:01,320
Speaker 3: need a break, man, fuck, I said, But I got

2486
02:01:01,320 --> 02:01:03,040
Speaker 3: to come down and get my car anyway, because he

2487
02:01:03,080 --> 02:01:06,400
Speaker 3: had seen my car in there. So I thought, well, okay,

2488
02:01:06,400 --> 02:01:07,000
Speaker 3: I'll come down.

2489
02:01:07,560 --> 02:01:10,800
Speaker 2: I come down. I walk in the studio. It was

2490
02:01:10,840 --> 02:01:11,600
Speaker 2: a silly thing.

2491
02:01:11,720 --> 02:01:14,840
Speaker 3: I'm sure everybody's heard this story reading in my book

2492
02:01:14,920 --> 02:01:17,360
Speaker 3: and stuff. But those guys have been up all night

2493
02:01:18,040 --> 02:01:21,400
Speaker 3: playing working on songs. Summer Nights and good Enough and

2494
02:01:21,440 --> 02:01:23,320
Speaker 3: a couple of little other jams that were both on

2495
02:01:23,680 --> 02:01:28,080
Speaker 3: fifty and fifty. And they were burnts in that place,

2496
02:01:28,120 --> 02:01:31,600
Speaker 3: smell like booze and cigarettes. And I actually wore a suit.

2497
02:01:31,640 --> 02:01:33,840
Speaker 3: It was a cool suit, you know, like a Versace suit.

2498
02:01:34,240 --> 02:01:37,760
Speaker 3: I wore a fucking suit down into them, and Alex

2499
02:01:37,840 --> 02:01:39,720
Speaker 3: has got a contract. You have to sign this, a

2500
02:01:39,720 --> 02:01:40,760
Speaker 3: non disclosure or anything.

2501
02:01:40,760 --> 02:01:41,520
Speaker 2: You're here, you know.

2502
02:01:41,800 --> 02:01:43,800
Speaker 3: And then I'm going, what the fuck are these guys are?

2503
02:01:43,960 --> 02:01:50,280
Speaker 3: These guys are crazy, you know. But finally I said, well,

2504
02:01:50,440 --> 02:01:53,440
Speaker 3: let's just play some music, you know, and they said okay,

2505
02:01:53,480 --> 02:01:55,480
Speaker 3: you know, so we went in and we started playing

2506
02:01:55,640 --> 02:02:02,280
Speaker 3: did you sign the NBA bok No. Alex is funny.

2507
02:02:02,360 --> 02:02:04,040
Speaker 3: Back in those days, he was really trying to be

2508
02:02:04,120 --> 02:02:07,200
Speaker 3: a businessman. He was trying to, you know, be kind

2509
02:02:07,200 --> 02:02:10,040
Speaker 3: of like the band leader, you know, because especially after Roth,

2510
02:02:10,320 --> 02:02:12,200
Speaker 3: he thought he was going to step in there. And

2511
02:02:14,080 --> 02:02:16,520
Speaker 3: I walked in and we started playing music. I heard

2512
02:02:16,600 --> 02:02:20,240
Speaker 3: those Eddie and Now play together, and you know, never

2513
02:02:20,320 --> 02:02:24,800
Speaker 3: mind Mike. You know, it was the magic between those

2514
02:02:24,840 --> 02:02:27,320
Speaker 3: two guys. Mike was just filling in the holes on base.

2515
02:02:27,520 --> 02:02:29,200
Speaker 3: That's the way you have to play with those two.

2516
02:02:29,960 --> 02:02:35,200
Speaker 3: It was the most loosest, greasiest fucking groove I've ever

2517
02:02:35,280 --> 02:02:37,640
Speaker 3: heard in my life in rock. It reminded me so

2518
02:02:37,760 --> 02:02:40,760
Speaker 3: much of Cream, my favorite band ever, much more than

2519
02:02:40,800 --> 02:02:44,680
Speaker 3: that Zeppelin. I love Cream because Cream always played things

2520
02:02:44,720 --> 02:02:48,160
Speaker 3: slow and the way Ginger Baker played and it was

2521
02:02:48,240 --> 02:02:54,680
Speaker 3: always slow, Budy, It's not slow like Sabbath, but just

2522
02:02:54,800 --> 02:02:57,000
Speaker 3: slower like I'm always hyper.

2523
02:02:57,000 --> 02:02:58,600
Speaker 2: I'd always say, you know, I'm.

2524
02:02:58,480 --> 02:03:02,040
Speaker 3: Speed it up, you know, right, But they alan ed

2525
02:03:02,240 --> 02:03:05,920
Speaker 3: kept it down in that deep, greasy pocket. I fell

2526
02:03:05,960 --> 02:03:08,040
Speaker 3: in love the same thing. When I went to Cabo.

2527
02:03:08,280 --> 02:03:10,240
Speaker 3: I just said, oh fuck, I'm in this band. You

2528
02:03:10,280 --> 02:03:12,680
Speaker 3: know what I mean? This is And I just started singing.

2529
02:03:12,440 --> 02:03:16,080
Speaker 2: Summer Nights and my radio.

2530
02:03:15,480 --> 02:03:19,520
Speaker 3: And everybody's going whoa, and you know, look at goosebumps.

2531
02:03:19,520 --> 02:03:23,320
Speaker 3: There they are again, here they come. You can't. You

2532
02:03:23,440 --> 02:03:28,480
Speaker 3: just can't describe how it was, like, oh fuck, you know,

2533
02:03:28,640 --> 02:03:30,640
Speaker 3: I want to be in this van. I don't care.

2534
02:03:31,280 --> 02:03:34,080
Speaker 3: My manager goes, are you crazy? I go see David Geffen.

2535
02:03:34,280 --> 02:03:37,720
Speaker 3: Are you crazy? He goes, you realize you're gonna you're

2536
02:03:37,720 --> 02:03:39,920
Speaker 3: gonna take a pay cut. You know, you make more

2537
02:03:39,920 --> 02:03:42,200
Speaker 3: money your SOULO wars they got to and he goes,

2538
02:03:42,400 --> 02:03:44,880
Speaker 3: those guys are a mess, you know. And he tried

2539
02:03:44,880 --> 02:03:48,120
Speaker 3: to talk me out of it. And I'm saying, no, Dave,

2540
02:03:48,240 --> 02:03:50,960
Speaker 3: you don't understand ed Leffer and me sitting there and

2541
02:03:51,040 --> 02:03:54,520
Speaker 3: David Geff and he's sitting on his desk, scratching his head, pacing.

2542
02:03:55,160 --> 02:03:57,520
Speaker 2: He goes, you're my biggest artist right now. You know.

2543
02:03:57,840 --> 02:03:58,640
Speaker 2: He went on this.

2544
02:03:58,560 --> 02:04:01,680
Speaker 3: Whole guilt trip on me. And then he finally he goes,

2545
02:04:01,720 --> 02:04:04,600
Speaker 3: you know what, it sounds like, you really want to

2546
02:04:04,600 --> 02:04:06,040
Speaker 3: do this. I said, I really do want to do this.

2547
02:04:06,080 --> 02:04:08,360
Speaker 3: He goes, I would never stop an artist from doing

2548
02:04:08,360 --> 02:04:11,200
Speaker 3: what they want to do. And I went, wow, what

2549
02:04:11,320 --> 02:04:13,720
Speaker 3: a good man. And he said, I mean it. I'll

2550
02:04:13,760 --> 02:04:16,480
Speaker 3: take care of this. Let me talk to Mooston and

2551
02:04:16,520 --> 02:04:19,080
Speaker 3: we'll figure this out. And then he went put a

2552
02:04:19,160 --> 02:04:22,640
Speaker 3: gun to Mosad, said you want to see me in

2553
02:04:22,680 --> 02:04:23,120
Speaker 3: your band?

2554
02:04:23,200 --> 02:04:26,440
Speaker 2: This is my biggest artist. I want half the record.

2555
02:04:26,560 --> 02:04:28,800
Speaker 3: This is a rumor I heard he got half of

2556
02:04:28,840 --> 02:04:31,600
Speaker 3: the fifty one to fifty record and he got another

2557
02:04:31,680 --> 02:04:35,520
Speaker 3: Sammy Hagar record, a solo record without giving Warners half

2558
02:04:35,560 --> 02:04:38,520
Speaker 3: of it, because that's what their deal. And then he

2559
02:04:38,560 --> 02:04:41,040
Speaker 3: moved on to Universal after that. But at that time,

2560
02:04:41,680 --> 02:04:44,800
Speaker 3: that's what he got out of that deal. I'm thinking, Yeah,

2561
02:04:44,960 --> 02:04:47,280
Speaker 3: you would never stop an artist from doing with there

2562
02:04:48,920 --> 02:04:52,040
Speaker 3: as long as it's good for you. Na, David Geffen

2563
02:04:52,200 --> 02:04:55,040
Speaker 3: was He broke me, you know, worldwide. And I never

2564
02:04:57,000 --> 02:05:00,200
Speaker 3: forget that man. They believed in me, you know, Carter,

2565
02:05:00,360 --> 02:05:03,120
Speaker 3: I mean fucking Carter. I love Carter more than any

2566
02:05:03,160 --> 02:05:05,720
Speaker 3: other person, and that in this business for what he

2567
02:05:05,760 --> 02:05:07,320
Speaker 3: did for me, and what he did for Tina, what

2568
02:05:07,440 --> 02:05:10,120
Speaker 3: he did for Bob Seeger, how many people, what he

2569
02:05:10,160 --> 02:05:12,760
Speaker 3: did for the motels, he did it. He stood up

2570
02:05:13,560 --> 02:05:16,800
Speaker 3: for you, you know, against the corporate put his neck

2571
02:05:16,840 --> 02:05:17,440
Speaker 3: on the line.

2572
02:05:17,640 --> 02:05:21,040
Speaker 2: Nobody does that, none of them other A and R guys.

2573
02:05:21,160 --> 02:05:24,080
Speaker 3: John Klardner was good for me, same way, but he

2574
02:05:24,080 --> 02:05:26,680
Speaker 3: wouldn't put his neck on the line. He'd go, yeah,

2575
02:05:26,840 --> 02:05:30,800
Speaker 3: ain't gonna happen. You know that's single. He go, No,

2576
02:05:31,560 --> 02:05:33,480
Speaker 3: that single's not going to be a hit. And I'd

2577
02:05:33,480 --> 02:05:35,880
Speaker 3: say why not. They say they're not gonna put the money.

2578
02:05:36,400 --> 02:05:38,560
Speaker 3: Come on, you gotta be getting. He wouldn't go in

2579
02:05:38,600 --> 02:05:41,880
Speaker 3: there and go to batle like Carter Wood. So even

2580
02:05:41,920 --> 02:05:44,120
Speaker 3: though I had hits on jupping it out with Carter

2581
02:05:45,200 --> 02:05:46,760
Speaker 3: but anyway.

2582
02:05:46,840 --> 02:05:51,320
Speaker 1: Okay, so ed Leffler, Okay, he had a legendary reputation.

2583
02:05:51,800 --> 02:05:54,640
Speaker 1: How did you hook up with him? How good was he?

2584
02:05:54,720 --> 02:05:58,200
Speaker 1: What was his magic? Noel was pushed aside. Edward was

2585
02:05:58,240 --> 02:06:01,560
Speaker 1: the manager van Halen? Then ed and to what degree

2586
02:06:01,600 --> 02:06:03,160
Speaker 1: did that break up van Halen?

2587
02:06:03,400 --> 02:06:05,440
Speaker 3: It totally broke up Van Halo. Ed Leffler was the

2588
02:06:05,440 --> 02:06:07,600
Speaker 3: best manager on the planet. He was a one man dog.

2589
02:06:08,040 --> 02:06:10,640
Speaker 3: He had Juice Newton for five minutes and he you know,

2590
02:06:10,680 --> 02:06:14,000
Speaker 3: but he really he managed van Halen and he was he.

2591
02:06:14,840 --> 02:06:17,280
Speaker 2: He lived and breathed van Halen. You know.

2592
02:06:17,360 --> 02:06:22,280
Speaker 3: Every Tuesday night they get together all the promo guys

2593
02:06:22,280 --> 02:06:25,760
Speaker 3: at his house with all the hookers in the freaking

2594
02:06:26,160 --> 02:06:28,680
Speaker 3: drugs and rock and rolling, and they would have the

2595
02:06:28,720 --> 02:06:31,280
Speaker 3: time of their lives to be getting your airplay for

2596
02:06:31,320 --> 02:06:35,360
Speaker 3: the next week. I mean, he lived and breathed it.

2597
02:06:35,600 --> 02:06:40,320
Speaker 3: And when he when Eddie and I we never we

2598
02:06:40,440 --> 02:06:44,640
Speaker 3: never had to discuss anything between us except music, and

2599
02:06:44,680 --> 02:06:46,360
Speaker 3: because ed Leffler took care of it. If we had

2600
02:06:46,400 --> 02:06:49,160
Speaker 3: a problem. We took it to Ed and Ed would say, well,

2601
02:06:49,280 --> 02:06:51,680
Speaker 3: Eddie's not going to like that. I'd say, yeah, but Ed,

2602
02:06:51,920 --> 02:06:53,800
Speaker 3: you know, I want to do this solo record, you know,

2603
02:06:53,840 --> 02:06:56,080
Speaker 3: blah blah blah. I'm getting a divorce and and I

2604
02:06:56,480 --> 02:06:59,120
Speaker 3: can use that money, you know, pay my wife off.

2605
02:06:59,160 --> 02:07:01,040
Speaker 3: You know, so I want to do the greatest hits record.

2606
02:07:01,360 --> 02:07:04,200
Speaker 3: Edie's not gonna like it, you know that. I'm going, yeah, well,

2607
02:07:04,560 --> 02:07:07,840
Speaker 3: can you fix it? He could fix it right, and

2608
02:07:07,880 --> 02:07:10,560
Speaker 3: then you know, nothing to be said. Ever, I never

2609
02:07:10,720 --> 02:07:13,280
Speaker 3: mad to talk to Eddie about it. When Ed Lefler died,

2610
02:07:13,320 --> 02:07:14,960
Speaker 3: I had to talk to Eddie about things, and when

2611
02:07:15,200 --> 02:07:16,680
Speaker 3: he had to talk to me about things, and it

2612
02:07:16,800 --> 02:07:17,560
Speaker 3: was like, what.

2613
02:07:17,480 --> 02:07:19,880
Speaker 2: The fuck are you talking about? No fucking way am I.

2614
02:07:19,920 --> 02:07:23,880
Speaker 3: You know, So he kept the band together absolutely, one

2615
02:07:23,920 --> 02:07:25,840
Speaker 3: hundred percent. And then you bring in a new guy

2616
02:07:26,160 --> 02:07:29,560
Speaker 3: who kind of poisons the brothers seeing where the power

2617
02:07:29,680 --> 02:07:32,440
Speaker 3: is at this time. Now they were kind of going

2618
02:07:32,480 --> 02:07:34,880
Speaker 3: against me. We all know that there was a you know,

2619
02:07:35,000 --> 02:07:40,960
Speaker 3: like I was the outsider guy. So you know, he

2620
02:07:41,760 --> 02:07:43,440
Speaker 3: went with them. They said, we don't want Sammy to

2621
02:07:43,480 --> 02:07:45,800
Speaker 3: do solo records. Okay, I'll fix it. Goes to Warner Brothers,

2622
02:07:46,040 --> 02:07:48,280
Speaker 3: take his name off. No more solo records of Samy.

2623
02:07:48,320 --> 02:07:50,320
Speaker 3: I had a contract record do a solo record after

2624
02:07:50,360 --> 02:07:53,480
Speaker 3: every band, Halo record if I wanted, and I never did.

2625
02:07:53,520 --> 02:07:54,040
Speaker 2: But it was a.

2626
02:07:54,040 --> 02:07:58,560
Speaker 3: Huge deal Leffler made when I joined the band, so

2627
02:07:59,440 --> 02:08:01,680
Speaker 3: they took that, you know, it just start all that

2628
02:08:01,760 --> 02:08:04,080
Speaker 3: kind of poisoning stuff. And then as soon as I

2629
02:08:04,120 --> 02:08:07,120
Speaker 3: got thrown out of the band and he brought Gary Sharona,

2630
02:08:07,120 --> 02:08:09,440
Speaker 3: and we all know about that, he got thrown out

2631
02:08:09,480 --> 02:08:09,920
Speaker 3: with Gary.

2632
02:08:10,000 --> 02:08:12,600
Speaker 2: So it just was a shame the way it all

2633
02:08:12,640 --> 02:08:12,960
Speaker 2: went down.

2634
02:08:13,000 --> 02:08:15,280
Speaker 3: Leffler, if he wouldn't have died, Van Haler would still

2635
02:08:15,280 --> 02:08:18,400
Speaker 3: be together, absolutely and still the biggest band in the world.

2636
02:08:19,000 --> 02:08:22,280
Speaker 3: But Ed I met Ed, he had that band Sweet,

2637
02:08:23,000 --> 02:08:25,800
Speaker 3: and I was just signed to Capitol and Sweet was

2638
02:08:25,840 --> 02:08:29,440
Speaker 3: on Capital. So they were playing their their American debut

2639
02:08:29,520 --> 02:08:32,160
Speaker 3: at with their big hit ballroom Blitz or whatever. It

2640
02:08:32,200 --> 02:08:36,920
Speaker 3: was their first one and at the Santa Monica Civic.

2641
02:08:38,080 --> 02:08:40,080
Speaker 3: This is a great story, Bob, I got. I gotta

2642
02:08:40,120 --> 02:08:42,440
Speaker 3: go in one step deeper because this is a great story.

2643
02:08:42,680 --> 02:08:46,840
Speaker 3: Paul Kossoff from Free who was had a real bad

2644
02:08:46,920 --> 02:08:51,280
Speaker 3: drug problem and I I was opening for him at

2645
02:08:51,320 --> 02:08:56,000
Speaker 3: that that old rock and roll place down on Santa Monica.

2646
02:08:57,720 --> 02:09:02,960
Speaker 2: What was that rock club? Our Wood? Yeah, maybe it

2647
02:09:03,000 --> 02:09:03,640
Speaker 2: was a star War?

2648
02:09:03,760 --> 02:09:05,400
Speaker 3: Was it the Star War? That's not on Santa Monic.

2649
02:09:05,440 --> 02:09:08,960
Speaker 3: I mean that's not on Sunset. The star Ward was down.

2650
02:09:08,920 --> 02:09:11,640
Speaker 1: Not on Sunset, it is on it was on Santa Monica.

2651
02:09:11,800 --> 02:09:13,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's it. Then by the Star Wars.

2652
02:09:13,640 --> 02:09:17,000
Speaker 3: Okay, So I'm opening for Paul Kossoff there doing my

2653
02:09:17,480 --> 02:09:23,240
Speaker 3: Capital debut. I'm I'm auditioning for a Capitol deal. Paul

2654
02:09:23,280 --> 02:09:26,960
Speaker 3: Kossoff was wasted. I killed it for one thing. Leffler

2655
02:09:27,080 --> 02:09:31,240
Speaker 3: was there, saw me, right, and they said, we want

2656
02:09:31,240 --> 02:09:34,760
Speaker 3: to We're gonna sign that guy, uh, Carter and all

2657
02:09:34,760 --> 02:09:36,400
Speaker 3: those guys. So they said, we want to sign that guy,

2658
02:09:36,440 --> 02:09:39,640
Speaker 3: meaning me, and maybe you can put him on tour

2659
02:09:39,640 --> 02:09:42,120
Speaker 3: with Sweet And Leffler said, quote unquote them, you think

2660
02:09:42,120 --> 02:09:46,760
Speaker 3: I would let that fucking wild ass, blonde, fuzzy haired

2661
02:09:46,760 --> 02:09:50,480
Speaker 3: motherfucker play before my band? You're crazy, right? And Carter

2662
02:09:50,640 --> 02:09:52,880
Speaker 3: told me this story. Ed told me too later, so

2663
02:09:53,320 --> 02:09:55,440
Speaker 3: they said, oh, fuck, you know whatever. So I did

2664
02:09:55,560 --> 02:09:58,680
Speaker 3: get to meet it, none of that. The next two

2665
02:09:58,760 --> 02:10:01,960
Speaker 3: days later, Paul coss Up was on an airplane the

2666
02:10:01,960 --> 02:10:05,160
Speaker 3: next day to San Diego for another show. He died

2667
02:10:05,160 --> 02:10:07,200
Speaker 3: on the plane of an overdose and there hat attack

2668
02:10:07,280 --> 02:10:11,320
Speaker 3: whatever happened to him. He was opening for Sweet, so

2669
02:10:12,160 --> 02:10:15,400
Speaker 3: they go, hey, you know, hey, that guy you saw

2670
02:10:15,560 --> 02:10:17,960
Speaker 3: get him on the show. Head's going fuck yeah, he's

2671
02:10:18,000 --> 02:10:20,520
Speaker 3: all you know, I guess he was all pissed off

2672
02:10:20,520 --> 02:10:23,400
Speaker 3: and he let me do it. I killed it. I

2673
02:10:23,480 --> 02:10:26,560
Speaker 3: jumped off the stage, went into the audience, fucking you know.

2674
02:10:26,920 --> 02:10:32,440
Speaker 3: I did every trick in the book. And Sweet comes

2675
02:10:32,480 --> 02:10:35,200
Speaker 3: on stage. They did good, but you know, I did

2676
02:10:35,240 --> 02:10:38,320
Speaker 3: really good, and and ed after the show, he asked

2677
02:10:38,320 --> 02:10:40,120
Speaker 3: if somebody to bring me into the dress room to

2678
02:10:40,160 --> 02:10:42,960
Speaker 3: meet with Sweet, and he I walk in. He's got

2679
02:10:42,960 --> 02:10:45,360
Speaker 3: the lead singer in the fucking corner. He's smoking a cigarette,

2680
02:10:45,360 --> 02:10:48,280
Speaker 3: he's got his finger in his face and he's telling him,

2681
02:10:48,720 --> 02:10:49,240
Speaker 3: you see.

2682
02:10:49,080 --> 02:10:50,920
Speaker 2: What that fucking guy did. You see what that fucking

2683
02:10:50,960 --> 02:10:51,360
Speaker 2: guy did.

2684
02:10:51,400 --> 02:10:53,960
Speaker 3: And you're standing up there, you know, like some fucking pompous,

2685
02:10:54,200 --> 02:10:55,480
Speaker 3: you know, asshole Rock started.

2686
02:10:55,800 --> 02:10:57,440
Speaker 2: He was chewing him out hard. Man.

2687
02:10:57,480 --> 02:10:59,600
Speaker 3: I walk in and there goes, hey, just a minute,

2688
02:10:59,760 --> 02:11:01,480
Speaker 3: and I want to see you, And I said, okay.

2689
02:11:02,240 --> 02:11:04,320
Speaker 3: I mean he was so mafiosa. I fell in love

2690
02:11:04,360 --> 02:11:05,880
Speaker 3: with him too. I was like, oh God, I got it.

2691
02:11:05,920 --> 02:11:07,960
Speaker 3: This guy's got to manage me. So he came in

2692
02:11:08,000 --> 02:11:09,520
Speaker 3: and said, okay, I'm gonna sign you and going to

2693
02:11:09,560 --> 02:11:12,280
Speaker 3: get you a deal with the Capital and then and

2694
02:11:12,320 --> 02:11:17,280
Speaker 3: that's that's the way it happened. He became my father,

2695
02:11:17,440 --> 02:11:21,400
Speaker 3: my mentor everything. If I had a business problem, I

2696
02:11:21,440 --> 02:11:24,320
Speaker 3: called ed Leffler. If I had a marital problem, I

2697
02:11:24,360 --> 02:11:26,920
Speaker 3: called ed Leffler. If I had a legal problem, I

2698
02:11:26,960 --> 02:11:30,520
Speaker 3: called ed Leffler and he fucking fixed it. He was

2699
02:11:30,560 --> 02:11:33,320
Speaker 3: the king. He was so hot headed though he hid

2700
02:11:33,400 --> 02:11:37,360
Speaker 3: be I remember Bill Graham. Eddie Money opened for me

2701
02:11:37,360 --> 02:11:39,680
Speaker 3: on a Bill Graham show, and Bill Graham managed Eddie

2702
02:11:39,680 --> 02:11:43,520
Speaker 3: Money and conquered and we had all these special lights,

2703
02:11:43,520 --> 02:11:45,840
Speaker 3: you know, I from my headline too. We had four

2704
02:11:45,880 --> 02:11:51,040
Speaker 3: spotlights on stage operators behind me and Eddie Muddy's opening

2705
02:11:51,080 --> 02:11:53,760
Speaker 3: the show and Bill Graham's telling him, hey, get them

2706
02:11:53,800 --> 02:11:55,960
Speaker 3: spotlights on telling the lighting guy said you can't do it.

2707
02:11:56,040 --> 02:11:57,879
Speaker 3: The left and said, fuck you, those are our spotlights,

2708
02:11:57,920 --> 02:12:00,000
Speaker 3: you know, And they got into it, him and Bill Graham.

2709
02:12:00,000 --> 02:12:03,000
Speaker 3: I'm gotting a freck and fistfight, all rolling, all over

2710
02:12:03,000 --> 02:12:06,680
Speaker 3: the backstage area. And I mean he just was that

2711
02:12:06,760 --> 02:12:09,720
Speaker 3: kind of guy. He was not going to say roll over.

2712
02:12:10,160 --> 02:12:13,520
Speaker 3: He was tough man, he was awesome. I love that man.

2713
02:12:13,560 --> 02:12:15,960
Speaker 3: I'll tell you I still dream about him. I have

2714
02:12:16,120 --> 02:12:19,920
Speaker 3: dreams of him. I have dreams of Carter too. Just

2715
02:12:19,960 --> 02:12:21,440
Speaker 3: every now and then they come to me and just

2716
02:12:21,560 --> 02:12:23,800
Speaker 3: have a nice little dream. It's really cool.

2717
02:12:25,600 --> 02:12:27,240
Speaker 1: Just to go back to the beginning for a minute.

2718
02:12:27,800 --> 02:12:32,720
Speaker 1: So you're a sharp dressed kid in school. Everybody likes you.

2719
02:12:33,160 --> 02:12:36,680
Speaker 1: How did you get into playing music? And the Beatles

2720
02:12:36,720 --> 02:12:39,840
Speaker 1: didn't hit till seventy four sixty four when you were seventeen,

2721
02:12:40,320 --> 02:12:41,640
Speaker 1: so what was going on there?

2722
02:12:42,680 --> 02:12:42,880
Speaker 2: You know?

2723
02:12:43,040 --> 02:12:44,920
Speaker 3: The crazy thing is I was more of a Stones

2724
02:12:44,960 --> 02:12:48,520
Speaker 3: guy than the Beatles. But I did learn I want

2725
02:12:48,520 --> 02:12:51,840
Speaker 3: to hold your hand, my mom. I wanted a guitar.

2726
02:12:52,200 --> 02:12:54,960
Speaker 3: I decided I was gonna I could sing. See And

2727
02:12:55,000 --> 02:12:57,160
Speaker 3: I had this older friend that was in my brother's age,

2728
02:12:57,160 --> 02:12:59,360
Speaker 3: three years older than me. He had a car, he

2729
02:12:59,400 --> 02:13:01,720
Speaker 3: had a guitar, an amplifier. He was kind of a

2730
02:13:01,840 --> 02:13:06,800
Speaker 3: rich kid, and he liked me because I was I

2731
02:13:06,920 --> 02:13:08,760
Speaker 3: was cool. I looked like a rock star and he

2732
02:13:08,760 --> 02:13:12,000
Speaker 3: had met me through my brother and he he you know,

2733
02:13:12,280 --> 02:13:13,560
Speaker 3: it's just really a funny thing.

2734
02:13:13,800 --> 02:13:15,800
Speaker 2: A guy named Ed Mattson, he taught me how to

2735
02:13:15,840 --> 02:13:17,080
Speaker 2: play guitar. U.

2736
02:13:17,200 --> 02:13:19,960
Speaker 3: He taught me how to drive a car, and he

2737
02:13:20,000 --> 02:13:22,400
Speaker 3: would he brought his guitar and ample over my house

2738
02:13:22,440 --> 02:13:25,240
Speaker 3: and he said, man, your mom would get you a guitar.

2739
02:13:25,360 --> 02:13:28,000
Speaker 3: And I said, my mom, she said, if you learned

2740
02:13:28,040 --> 02:13:30,240
Speaker 3: how to play never on Sunday, I'll get one from

2741
02:13:30,240 --> 02:13:31,040
Speaker 3: the series catalog.

2742
02:13:31,120 --> 02:13:33,680
Speaker 2: It was thirty nine ninety five, you know that one

2743
02:13:33,680 --> 02:13:34,640
Speaker 2: in the case. I bought it.

2744
02:13:34,680 --> 02:13:38,120
Speaker 3: I bought one recently for eighteen hundred fucking dollars right

2745
02:13:38,560 --> 02:13:40,000
Speaker 3: because I had to have it.

2746
02:13:41,320 --> 02:13:42,760
Speaker 2: But and I learned how to play it.

2747
02:13:42,800 --> 02:13:44,400
Speaker 3: My mom bought me his guitar, and him and I

2748
02:13:44,440 --> 02:13:46,280
Speaker 3: started a band, just the two of us, and we'd

2749
02:13:46,320 --> 02:13:49,360
Speaker 3: go play parties, you know with you know, one of

2750
02:13:49,400 --> 02:13:52,360
Speaker 3: my girlfriends or something, have a birthday part in her garage.

2751
02:13:52,400 --> 02:13:54,560
Speaker 3: And I'd say, me and my my well, my band

2752
02:13:54,560 --> 02:13:57,480
Speaker 3: will play. And we played instrumentals. We played Dick Dale

2753
02:13:58,120 --> 02:14:01,240
Speaker 3: and we played you know, soft wipe out and songs

2754
02:14:01,280 --> 02:14:03,640
Speaker 3: like that without a drummer. And I want to hold

2755
02:14:03,680 --> 02:14:06,480
Speaker 3: your Hand, I think was the first Beatles song. And

2756
02:14:06,520 --> 02:14:09,080
Speaker 3: then when the Stones record came out, we fucking learned

2757
02:14:09,080 --> 02:14:12,680
Speaker 3: the whole Stones record. But I could sing, so, you know,

2758
02:14:12,880 --> 02:14:14,600
Speaker 3: I decided I was going to be a singer because

2759
02:14:14,600 --> 02:14:16,600
Speaker 3: I'd be hanging around with my buddies in the car

2760
02:14:17,160 --> 02:14:20,120
Speaker 3: and and you know, I'd start singing any song came

2761
02:14:20,120 --> 02:14:21,680
Speaker 3: on the radio. I could sing it. I knew the

2762
02:14:21,800 --> 02:14:23,960
Speaker 3: lyrics and I could sing the melody. And they and

2763
02:14:24,000 --> 02:14:25,440
Speaker 3: they used to get pissed out. I say, how do

2764
02:14:25,480 --> 02:14:27,840
Speaker 3: you know all these fucking songs? I'm saying, I just

2765
02:14:27,920 --> 02:14:29,440
Speaker 3: know them, you know, and I still do. I never

2766
02:14:29,560 --> 02:14:32,840
Speaker 3: used teleprompter, And so he goes, oh yeah, they'd shut

2767
02:14:32,840 --> 02:14:36,480
Speaker 3: the radio off, okay, sing Satisfaction by the Stones, and

2768
02:14:36,840 --> 02:14:39,760
Speaker 3: you know, I'd blow it out man, you know, acapella,

2769
02:14:40,160 --> 02:14:42,280
Speaker 3: and then they'd have contests and'd be like trying to

2770
02:14:42,320 --> 02:14:45,440
Speaker 3: stump Sammy. Man. I was like rain Man. So I

2771
02:14:45,440 --> 02:14:46,880
Speaker 3: could sing. So everybody thought I was going to be

2772
02:14:46,880 --> 02:14:49,000
Speaker 3: a rock stars. So I started telling people rockstar winn

2773
02:14:49,000 --> 02:14:50,920
Speaker 3: at words. I start telling people I'm gonna be you

2774
02:14:50,960 --> 02:14:53,000
Speaker 3: know things, I'm gonna be like Mick Jagger, you know,

2775
02:14:53,040 --> 02:14:56,240
Speaker 3: it'd be like Elvis, and everybody believed me around town.

2776
02:14:56,280 --> 02:14:58,400
Speaker 3: I was one of those guys. I started dressing apart,

2777
02:14:58,560 --> 02:15:01,480
Speaker 3: so they said Mattson guy. He thought I was really cool.

2778
02:15:01,520 --> 02:15:02,760
Speaker 3: He said, yeah, this guy's got it.

2779
02:15:02,760 --> 02:15:02,920
Speaker 2: Man.

2780
02:15:02,960 --> 02:15:05,160
Speaker 3: I started a band with him. He's like and so

2781
02:15:05,560 --> 02:15:07,960
Speaker 3: because he was a really good musician. He could play anything.

2782
02:15:08,080 --> 02:15:11,720
Speaker 3: He's really smart guy. So he took me to see

2783
02:15:11,760 --> 02:15:16,120
Speaker 3: Donovan first American parents, at a place called The Trip

2784
02:15:16,200 --> 02:15:16,560
Speaker 3: in La.

2785
02:15:16,640 --> 02:15:19,120
Speaker 2: Do you remember the Trip? I don't know if you know.

2786
02:15:19,160 --> 02:15:20,960
Speaker 1: Before I know the Trip, but I didn't live in

2787
02:15:21,040 --> 02:15:21,480
Speaker 1: La then.

2788
02:15:21,640 --> 02:15:25,840
Speaker 3: So Donovan was playing there by himself, and it was

2789
02:15:25,880 --> 02:15:27,880
Speaker 3: the most magical thing I've ever seen in my life.

2790
02:15:27,920 --> 02:15:29,320
Speaker 3: I was too young to get in and got a

2791
02:15:29,320 --> 02:15:31,800
Speaker 3: fake id ed could get in. He was eighteen. I wasn't.

2792
02:15:32,240 --> 02:15:36,280
Speaker 2: I was. I guess I was fifteen if he was eighteen.

2793
02:15:36,440 --> 02:15:40,320
Speaker 3: But anyway, we got in and Donovan sitting there in

2794
02:15:40,360 --> 02:15:45,200
Speaker 3: a stool and velvet and lace, big oh, just fucking

2795
02:15:45,280 --> 02:15:48,520
Speaker 3: velvet and lace and his hair and the way he

2796
02:15:48,640 --> 02:15:51,800
Speaker 3: had a you know, fucking poofed up like Bob Dellan.

2797
02:15:51,880 --> 02:15:54,480
Speaker 2: But he was gorgeous. He was like an angel.

2798
02:15:54,680 --> 02:15:56,720
Speaker 3: And he's setting on a stool with acoustic guitar with

2799
02:15:56,800 --> 02:15:59,680
Speaker 3: a spotlight on him, and it was the most magical

2800
02:15:59,800 --> 02:16:02,960
Speaker 3: thing I'd ever seen in my life. I thought, this

2801
02:16:03,000 --> 02:16:06,160
Speaker 3: guy looks like God, he looks like an angels Jesus.

2802
02:16:05,960 --> 02:16:06,160
Speaker 2: You know.

2803
02:16:06,640 --> 02:16:10,360
Speaker 3: And he was just mesmerizing. And then he took a

2804
02:16:10,400 --> 02:16:12,440
Speaker 3: break and he came back with a band. He played

2805
02:16:12,480 --> 02:16:15,400
Speaker 3: Sunshine Superman, and I was fucking done.

2806
02:16:15,440 --> 02:16:17,320
Speaker 2: That was it. I was. I wanted to be Donovan.

2807
02:16:17,440 --> 02:16:20,040
Speaker 3: If you know, I've recorded Donovan, two Donovan songs on

2808
02:16:20,080 --> 02:16:23,160
Speaker 3: my records. Early Carter introduced me to him finally one

2809
02:16:23,280 --> 02:16:27,440
Speaker 3: day and just a huge Donovan fan. Over Dylan Stones,

2810
02:16:27,440 --> 02:16:31,960
Speaker 3: over beetles Ford, over Chevy, you know, but you know

2811
02:16:32,360 --> 02:16:37,080
Speaker 3: the but so that kind of set me on my

2812
02:16:37,200 --> 02:16:40,600
Speaker 3: path and and s Ed Matson guy really coached me along.

2813
02:16:40,680 --> 02:16:42,840
Speaker 3: He turned me on to the Donovant I mean little

2814
02:16:43,480 --> 02:16:45,120
Speaker 3: He turned me on too, Bob Dylan then and he

2815
02:16:45,200 --> 02:16:47,640
Speaker 3: turned me on to you know, the Stones of course,

2816
02:16:47,640 --> 02:16:49,160
Speaker 3: but I had already seen the Stones. Him and I

2817
02:16:49,200 --> 02:16:53,080
Speaker 3: went to see their first America performance. George Babcock brought

2818
02:16:53,160 --> 02:16:55,279
Speaker 3: him to the Swing auditorium and Semragi and we snuck

2819
02:16:55,280 --> 02:16:56,680
Speaker 3: in and saw the Stones.

2820
02:16:56,800 --> 02:16:58,480
Speaker 2: I said, I want to be micking Keith together.

2821
02:16:58,600 --> 02:17:01,280
Speaker 3: Then I then I saw Creams performance at the Whiskey

2822
02:17:01,640 --> 02:17:03,520
Speaker 3: and then I said, I want to be I want

2823
02:17:03,560 --> 02:17:08,640
Speaker 3: to be Eric Clapton, and you know, I just jumped around.

2824
02:17:08,640 --> 02:17:12,160
Speaker 3: But that's in the beginning. I was like a chameleon, man,

2825
02:17:12,200 --> 02:17:16,360
Speaker 3: I could. I could really absorb things from these rock

2826
02:17:16,400 --> 02:17:18,959
Speaker 3: stars people that I would see. And then I became

2827
02:17:19,000 --> 02:17:21,040
Speaker 3: a Rod Stewart fanatic too for a long time, and

2828
02:17:21,120 --> 02:17:23,879
Speaker 3: that's when I really started performing more. I started, you know,

2829
02:17:23,959 --> 02:17:26,360
Speaker 3: running around on stage and saying goofy things and throwing

2830
02:17:26,360 --> 02:17:29,240
Speaker 3: a party. Rod in the Face's best party on the

2831
02:17:29,280 --> 02:17:32,800
Speaker 3: planet at that time. I think Paul Rogers, those kind

2832
02:17:32,800 --> 02:17:36,240
Speaker 3: of guys really all influenced me. Gary Broker from Proc o'harum,

2833
02:17:36,320 --> 02:17:39,360
Speaker 3: I still think one of the greatest singers ever. He

2834
02:17:39,400 --> 02:17:41,960
Speaker 3: could just keep going higher and you go, fuck you

2835
02:17:42,000 --> 02:17:44,279
Speaker 3: take away the higher. And I learned how to sing,

2836
02:17:44,360 --> 02:17:46,520
Speaker 3: you know, the way I sing dreams and those songs

2837
02:17:46,560 --> 02:17:49,000
Speaker 3: that way, or just go hire and hire. I learned

2838
02:17:49,000 --> 02:17:50,520
Speaker 3: how to do that from him. And I don't know

2839
02:17:50,560 --> 02:17:53,200
Speaker 3: how I did it, but I didn't learn anything. I

2840
02:17:53,280 --> 02:17:57,280
Speaker 3: just pushed myself to do it, you know. But I'm

2841
02:17:57,800 --> 02:18:00,440
Speaker 3: otis Redding. All those people have really influenced and they

2842
02:18:00,480 --> 02:18:04,720
Speaker 3: still do I'm a sponge A boy always said that

2843
02:18:04,760 --> 02:18:07,160
Speaker 3: about himself, you know, people said, don't ever wear a

2844
02:18:07,160 --> 02:18:10,880
Speaker 3: new pair of shoes around boy Mick Jagger hurting quotes.

2845
02:18:11,240 --> 02:18:15,320
Speaker 3: He said he'll have them the next day. I'm a

2846
02:18:15,320 --> 02:18:15,800
Speaker 3: little bit.

2847
02:18:15,760 --> 02:18:22,440
Speaker 1: Like, okay, switching gears. Just back to No. You were

2848
02:18:22,480 --> 02:18:27,320
Speaker 1: talking about guy, you were talking about trust, etc. We

2849
02:18:27,440 --> 02:18:30,960
Speaker 1: have a very divided country. You're one of the few

2850
02:18:31,000 --> 02:18:34,960
Speaker 1: people who can appeal to both sides. Is there any hope?

2851
02:18:35,360 --> 02:18:38,200
Speaker 1: And if you could snap your fingers, what would you

2852
02:18:38,240 --> 02:18:39,320
Speaker 1: do to bring us together?

2853
02:18:40,800 --> 02:18:41,240
Speaker 2: Wow?

2854
02:18:41,480 --> 02:18:44,960
Speaker 3: If I knew how to do that, Bob, I would

2855
02:18:45,120 --> 02:18:49,560
Speaker 3: run for president. If I were in my sixties, even

2856
02:18:49,680 --> 02:18:52,640
Speaker 3: right now, I would run for fucking president. And I'm

2857
02:18:52,680 --> 02:18:56,760
Speaker 3: dead serious, and only agenda I would have. I would

2858
02:18:56,840 --> 02:19:00,400
Speaker 3: have one fucking agenda, and that would be to unite

2859
02:19:00,400 --> 02:19:02,959
Speaker 3: this country. How I would do that, I'm not sure,

2860
02:19:03,080 --> 02:19:06,560
Speaker 3: but that would be my only agenda. I'd say, don't

2861
02:19:06,600 --> 02:19:09,160
Speaker 3: talk to me about foreign policy, none of that right now,

2862
02:19:09,400 --> 02:19:13,879
Speaker 3: because this country needs to be at least seventy thirty,

2863
02:19:14,440 --> 02:19:19,000
Speaker 3: you know, get over this fifty to fifty divide. If

2864
02:19:19,040 --> 02:19:22,279
Speaker 3: we could get eighty percent of the people behind the president,

2865
02:19:22,360 --> 02:19:26,200
Speaker 3: and we could say we're united. Okay, this country united

2866
02:19:26,560 --> 02:19:29,680
Speaker 3: can change the world. We could there would we would

2867
02:19:29,720 --> 02:19:32,560
Speaker 3: cure the homeless situation, which is a big problem which

2868
02:19:32,560 --> 02:19:34,480
Speaker 3: I would want to cure. I would want to cure

2869
02:19:34,560 --> 02:19:37,720
Speaker 3: hunger and crime in this country. And but if we

2870
02:19:37,720 --> 02:19:40,600
Speaker 3: were united, we would do it together.

2871
02:19:40,840 --> 02:19:42,039
Speaker 2: See if we.

2872
02:19:42,040 --> 02:19:45,640
Speaker 3: Could reunite this country, the United States of America. I

2873
02:19:45,680 --> 02:19:47,960
Speaker 3: want to My platform would be I want to get

2874
02:19:48,080 --> 02:19:49,960
Speaker 3: rid of red and I want to get rid of blue.

2875
02:19:50,080 --> 02:19:52,280
Speaker 3: Let's be the purple country. And I know it's nothing

2876
02:19:52,320 --> 02:19:55,440
Speaker 3: to do with Prince Purple. Red and blue make purple.

2877
02:19:55,680 --> 02:19:58,280
Speaker 3: Let's unite and get rid of this big divide. It

2878
02:19:58,320 --> 02:20:01,240
Speaker 3: breaks my heart to see what's happening in this country.

2879
02:20:01,400 --> 02:20:04,520
Speaker 3: And as long as the people that are running this

2880
02:20:04,600 --> 02:20:07,360
Speaker 3: country are running it the way they are and trying

2881
02:20:07,360 --> 02:20:11,720
Speaker 3: to squash the other side. You know, it's like the

2882
02:20:11,840 --> 02:20:13,720
Speaker 3: right is trying to kill the left. The left is

2883
02:20:13,720 --> 02:20:16,240
Speaker 3: trying to kill the right. You know, they're throwing a president,

2884
02:20:16,320 --> 02:20:18,680
Speaker 3: a guy that was president, you know, indicting him, trying

2885
02:20:18,720 --> 02:20:20,600
Speaker 3: to get him in prison so he can't run again.

2886
02:20:20,720 --> 02:20:24,039
Speaker 3: I mean, it's so dirty. Politics have always been dirty,

2887
02:20:24,320 --> 02:20:26,560
Speaker 3: but the way that each side is treating each other

2888
02:20:26,640 --> 02:20:28,800
Speaker 3: it's just never going to stop the divide. We've got

2889
02:20:28,800 --> 02:20:31,520
Speaker 3: to stop that shit. And I would be independent, and

2890
02:20:31,560 --> 02:20:34,119
Speaker 3: I would I would just say I'm running for the purple.

2891
02:20:34,440 --> 02:20:39,080
Speaker 3: Just make this country purple, and and just stop. That's

2892
02:20:39,800 --> 02:20:42,800
Speaker 3: you don't know how how it breaks my heart because

2893
02:20:42,840 --> 02:20:45,760
Speaker 3: I'm too old, you know, I can't run.

2894
02:20:47,720 --> 02:20:50,199
Speaker 1: Okay. And do you own any electric cars?

2895
02:20:50,959 --> 02:20:51,199
Speaker 2: Yes?

2896
02:20:51,600 --> 02:20:55,240
Speaker 3: Three, both both two of them are in my wife's

2897
02:20:55,320 --> 02:21:00,400
Speaker 3: name and ones on ones in both our names. Listen,

2898
02:21:00,400 --> 02:21:02,360
Speaker 3: you can only drive one car at a time. I

2899
02:21:02,400 --> 02:21:03,720
Speaker 3: got a bunch of cuts and I said, will you

2900
02:21:03,720 --> 02:21:08,400
Speaker 3: own all those gas customers, all those smug making deep cars.

2901
02:21:08,400 --> 02:21:10,480
Speaker 3: I said, no, yeah, I own them, but I only

2902
02:21:10,520 --> 02:21:12,959
Speaker 3: drive one at a time. I'm not out there driving

2903
02:21:12,959 --> 02:21:15,920
Speaker 3: twelve cars and once fucking the environment, you know.

2904
02:21:16,320 --> 02:21:17,760
Speaker 2: So that's my excuse.

2905
02:21:17,800 --> 02:21:21,360
Speaker 3: But yeah, we have a Tesla and it's our second one,

2906
02:21:21,400 --> 02:21:26,560
Speaker 3: and we have an Audi or eight or whatever it is,

2907
02:21:26,720 --> 02:21:32,879
Speaker 3: eight hundred full electric. And I'm i gotta tell you,

2908
02:21:33,120 --> 02:21:37,039
Speaker 3: I give, I give. Once you've driven and gotten used

2909
02:21:37,080 --> 02:21:39,600
Speaker 3: to an electric car, it's the only way to go.

2910
02:21:40,000 --> 02:21:42,640
Speaker 3: It's so unbelievable. You stop looking at gas stations, you

2911
02:21:42,720 --> 02:21:45,240
Speaker 3: stop looking at you know you're going, you know, you

2912
02:21:45,320 --> 02:21:47,400
Speaker 3: don't have to take it in and get the oil change.

2913
02:21:47,440 --> 02:21:49,960
Speaker 2: It's like, it's fucking brilliant.

2914
02:21:50,080 --> 02:21:53,039
Speaker 3: And if the electric company doesn't stick us up so

2915
02:21:53,200 --> 02:21:57,400
Speaker 3: bad that electricity we can't afford electric cars the way

2916
02:21:57,400 --> 02:22:00,280
Speaker 3: they've done with gas, then that would be the worst

2917
02:22:00,320 --> 02:22:00,960
Speaker 3: thing that could happen.

2918
02:22:01,040 --> 02:22:02,760
Speaker 2: But it's probably gonna happen.

2919
02:22:02,959 --> 02:22:05,640
Speaker 3: But we put electric solar panels in the house, put

2920
02:22:05,680 --> 02:22:08,560
Speaker 3: the electric plug in, and we basically drive for free.

2921
02:22:08,760 --> 02:22:10,920
Speaker 2: And I'm telling you right now, you can't beat that.

2922
02:22:11,280 --> 02:22:13,840
Speaker 2: And our man.

2923
02:22:15,520 --> 02:22:20,800
Speaker 3: Musk has done a brilliant job with putting charging devices

2924
02:22:20,840 --> 02:22:23,160
Speaker 3: around and places where you can go charge your cars,

2925
02:22:23,320 --> 02:22:25,600
Speaker 3: so it's no longer like, well, I can't go anywhere

2926
02:22:25,600 --> 02:22:27,560
Speaker 3: on a long trip. You know, yeah you can. If

2927
02:22:27,640 --> 02:22:31,360
Speaker 3: you can do, it's the future, There's no question about it.

2928
02:22:31,360 --> 02:22:34,600
Speaker 3: I would give up and I'd put my cars. I'd

2929
02:22:34,600 --> 02:22:36,960
Speaker 3: probably have to build a museum though, so I could

2930
02:22:36,959 --> 02:22:38,400
Speaker 3: put my cars in, so I could go look at

2931
02:22:38,440 --> 02:22:40,440
Speaker 3: them and sit in and put a big movie theater.

2932
02:22:40,640 --> 02:22:44,760
Speaker 3: I always said, if I can't drive my Ferraris and

2933
02:22:44,760 --> 02:22:48,240
Speaker 3: my really exotic cars and they're too valuable or the

2934
02:22:48,879 --> 02:22:51,400
Speaker 3: government won't let me drive them, I'll get myself a

2935
02:22:51,440 --> 02:22:55,039
Speaker 3: really cool museum. I'll put a big giant screen up

2936
02:22:55,080 --> 02:22:58,360
Speaker 3: in there, and I'll go sit in them and eat

2937
02:22:58,360 --> 02:22:59,520
Speaker 3: popcorn and watch movies.

2938
02:23:03,240 --> 02:23:05,680
Speaker 4: I'm that note, Sammy. I think we're gonna wrap it up.

2939
02:23:05,720 --> 02:23:08,080
Speaker 4: I could talk to you for all all day. I mean,

2940
02:23:08,640 --> 02:23:12,240
Speaker 4: it's easy to see why you're successful. Is there anybody

2941
02:23:12,280 --> 02:23:13,400
Speaker 4: you don't get along with?

2942
02:23:16,400 --> 02:23:24,000
Speaker 3: Alex van Halen right and Diamond Dave, we don't seem

2943
02:23:24,000 --> 02:23:25,720
Speaker 3: to get along. I can get along with him, but

2944
02:23:25,760 --> 02:23:26,600
Speaker 3: he can't get along with me.

2945
02:23:26,640 --> 02:23:27,400
Speaker 2: I don't know what it is.

2946
02:23:30,720 --> 02:23:32,560
Speaker 3: I hope to bury the hatchet with Alan, if there

2947
02:23:32,600 --> 02:23:34,240
Speaker 3: is a hatchet to bury it, and I buried it,

2948
02:23:34,280 --> 02:23:37,600
Speaker 3: and so Alan I can do it too. I hate enemies.

2949
02:23:37,920 --> 02:23:40,240
Speaker 3: I don't go through life making enemies. It's not my game.

2950
02:23:41,120 --> 02:23:44,280
Speaker 3: I'll bend over backwards. Y's guilty, wrong, I'm sorry. I

2951
02:23:44,320 --> 02:23:46,879
Speaker 3: will say I'm sorry so fast you wouldn't believe it.

2952
02:23:46,959 --> 02:23:49,480
Speaker 3: So yeah, I just want to see this country come together.

2953
02:23:49,520 --> 02:23:54,080
Speaker 3: We'll leave it on that and yes, that's where my

2954
02:23:54,120 --> 02:23:54,680
Speaker 3: heart's at.

2955
02:23:55,760 --> 02:23:59,760
Speaker 1: On that note, we'll leave it till next time. This

2956
02:23:59,840 --> 02:24:01,160
Speaker 1: is Bob left set

2957
02:24:22,760 --> 02:24:22,800
Speaker 3: S