WEBVTT - Dr. Tara Swart: 4 Brain Hacks To Manifest Anything Into Your Life (Science-Backed Method!)

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<v Speaker 1>You know that feeling of I'm trying to manifest but

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<v Speaker 1>nothing's happening. Manifestation is not creating a fantasy and then

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<v Speaker 1>waiting for it to come. Try with no action from yourself.

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<v Speaker 2>Leading neuroscientists, best selling author doctor Tarriswipe.

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<v Speaker 1>We cannot undo a negative thought pattern. We have to

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<v Speaker 1>overwrite it with a new one. Your brain it's two

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<v Speaker 1>and a half times more strongly wired to avoid risk

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<v Speaker 1>than is to get a reward.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow. The number one health and wellness podcast Ja Shedy

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<v Speaker 2>j Sheddy only shed Hey Everyone, Welcome back to on Purpose,

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<v Speaker 2>the place you choose to become a happier, healthier and

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<v Speaker 2>more healed. Today's guest is someone that I've wanted to

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<v Speaker 2>talk to for such a long time, and I'm so

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<v Speaker 2>excited because we finally have a in the studio, actually

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<v Speaker 2>all the way in London because we didn't know when

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<v Speaker 2>she was coming to LA and I'm so glad we

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<v Speaker 2>made it happen. I'm speaking about the one and only

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<v Speaker 2>doctor Tara Swat. She's a PhD neuroscientist for I'm D,

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<v Speaker 2>Executive Advisor, best selling author, and Senior Advisor for Neuroscience

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<v Speaker 2>and Leadership at MIT Sloan. Her book is called The

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<v Speaker 2>Source The Secrets of the Universe, The Science of the Brain.

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<v Speaker 2>If you don't already have a copy, I want you

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<v Speaker 2>to go and grab it now. I promise you you

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<v Speaker 2>won't regret it. Please welcome to On Purpose, doctor Tara

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<v Speaker 2>Swat Tara. It's such a joy to have you here.

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<v Speaker 1>Honestly, thank you so much, and thank you for you know,

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<v Speaker 1>squeezing me in when you're in London for such a

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<v Speaker 1>short time.

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<v Speaker 2>No, no, not, this is something I was looking forward

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<v Speaker 2>to all week. I can promise you. It's a Thursday

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<v Speaker 2>for anyone who's listening, and I've been recording all week

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<v Speaker 2>and I was really excited to sit down with you.

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<v Speaker 2>I think the work that you're doing is so similar

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<v Speaker 2>in value to the work I'm trying to do in

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<v Speaker 2>the world. I really believe that for so long ancient wisdom,

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<v Speaker 2>and the wisdom of the East especially, has been seen

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<v Speaker 2>through two lenses. I think there's been a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>enthusiasm towards it and a lot of value and reverence,

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<v Speaker 2>and at the same time, I think there's been, as

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<v Speaker 2>you say, skepticism and cynicism around it. And so to

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<v Speaker 2>have someone of your caliber your research, your insight and

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<v Speaker 2>communicating in the way you do, I think is such

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<v Speaker 2>a great blessing and benefit for the industry in and

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<v Speaker 2>of itself. So thank you so much for the work

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<v Speaker 2>you do. You really means the world. But let's dive

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<v Speaker 2>straight in and if you hear me and Tara lock

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<v Speaker 2>into some what would I call them inside jokes because

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<v Speaker 2>we're both North Londoners, then just please roll with us.

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<v Speaker 2>But Tara, I wanted to start off with, where did

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<v Speaker 2>you and why did you get so passionate about this

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<v Speaker 2>work and finding the parallels between ancient wisdom and modern

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<v Speaker 2>science and why did that work call you?

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<v Speaker 1>As you know, I grew up in North London and

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<v Speaker 1>I was the oldest child of first generation immigrant parents.

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<v Speaker 1>So I always felt like I was bridging two worlds.

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<v Speaker 2>You know.

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<v Speaker 1>I went to school, I didn't have any Indian friends,

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<v Speaker 1>and I just wanted to fit in with my friends.

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<v Speaker 1>And then I would come home and obviously we would

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<v Speaker 1>have like the altars and the incense and the ceremonies

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<v Speaker 1>and the rituals and everything, and so yeah, I would

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<v Speaker 1>say for most of my childhood I was living in

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<v Speaker 1>two worlds. And then at the age of eighteen, I

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<v Speaker 1>went to medical school, and I think I moved very

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<v Speaker 1>much away from our cultural heritage and just lived like

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<v Speaker 1>a teenager and so on in their twenties at university.

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<v Speaker 1>And I was at university for most of my twenties

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<v Speaker 1>because I did medical school and a PhD, so nine

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<v Speaker 1>years at university. Around the time that I became a doctor,

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<v Speaker 1>yoga was becoming quite popular in society, so I sort

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<v Speaker 1>of returned to that, and I would say that reignited

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<v Speaker 1>my interest in our cultural heritage, but then still I

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<v Speaker 1>would keep it very separate from my work. So I

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<v Speaker 1>was working in the NHS, you know that really wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>very holistic. But at home I was eating in an

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<v Speaker 1>Aerovhadic way and doing yoga. And some time past and

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<v Speaker 1>these things came more into our culture anyway. But still

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<v Speaker 1>at the time that I wrote the Source, it was

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<v Speaker 1>a risk for me, as an MIT professor to start

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<v Speaker 1>speaking about manifestation and visualization and meditation and things like that.

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<v Speaker 1>But writing it really for me, actually brought those two

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<v Speaker 1>things together and made me think I don't have to

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<v Speaker 1>keep my personal life separate from my professional life. And

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<v Speaker 1>I have to say thank you to everyone that the

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<v Speaker 1>response to it. Then you took that even further. As

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<v Speaker 1>we were discussing, you know, we both had books out

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<v Speaker 1>around that time. Couldn't really do world promo because of

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<v Speaker 1>the pandemic. But very early on in the pandemic, I thought,

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<v Speaker 1>oh no, there's going to be a huge mental health crisis.

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<v Speaker 1>And it was so unprecedented. I thought, what can I

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<v Speaker 1>offer that isn't already available to people? But I will

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<v Speaker 1>caveat that by saying, I think all of the ancient

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<v Speaker 1>wisdom knowledge that I tried to apply to modern mental

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<v Speaker 1>health problems is it's just things that we've forgotten. It's

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<v Speaker 1>not anything new, but it's about bringing you know, finding

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<v Speaker 1>those things. It's like gold mining and bringing them to

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<v Speaker 1>people and saying this could really help you.

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<v Speaker 2>It's fascinating that all of these things have been practiced

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<v Speaker 2>for thousands and thousands of years, and ironically, we've also

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<v Speaker 2>had mental health and anxiety challenges for much longer than

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<v Speaker 2>we believe we have. And I often think of the

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<v Speaker 2>Bagadaghita and origin, which you know was spoken five thousand

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<v Speaker 2>years ago. But that experience that he's having on the

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<v Speaker 2>battlefield is anxiety stress. He's having a sense of a

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<v Speaker 2>loss of identity. He's worried about the surroundings and the

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<v Speaker 2>impending war that's about to take place. And so you

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<v Speaker 2>see that in a text that's five thousand years old,

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<v Speaker 2>and then you have all of this wisdom that surrounds it.

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<v Speaker 2>But being able to translate that into what's happening now

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<v Speaker 2>is so needed. And I guess that's why you had

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<v Speaker 2>that positive response.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And what I found really interesting is that it

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<v Speaker 1>would be one thing if you and I sat here

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<v Speaker 1>and talked about our own cultural he But what I

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<v Speaker 1>found is that if you look at the ancient Greeks,

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<v Speaker 1>ancient Egyptians, Babylon, and you know, all sorts of other

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<v Speaker 1>ancient cultures, the first Americans, that there are so many

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<v Speaker 1>similar themes of the things keep us healthy and such

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<v Speaker 1>new science as if it's just been discovered in the

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<v Speaker 1>last year or two, like things like connection to nature.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, how will we not understanding that for so long?

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I think because there are no planes in

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<v Speaker 1>the sky and less traffic, and our time and nature

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<v Speaker 1>in this country anyway was limited people who allowed like

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<v Speaker 1>a one hour walk outside during the day. At some

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<v Speaker 1>point the appreciation of nature grew, and then suddenly, as

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<v Speaker 1>if from nowhere comes out the science that time and

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<v Speaker 1>nature helps your mental health, your physical health, your longevity,

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<v Speaker 1>it boosts your immunity, that there's just an impact of

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<v Speaker 1>that awe inspiring sort of feeling of being in beautiful

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<v Speaker 1>nature on the way that your brain works. So like

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<v Speaker 1>so much modern science, that is actually not one of

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<v Speaker 1>those things is near.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, absolutely, it's not new at all. This idea then,

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<v Speaker 2>that we have the power to change our destiny, this

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<v Speaker 2>idea that we have the power to propel our lives,

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<v Speaker 2>whether it's careers, whether it's relationships. We have the ability

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<v Speaker 2>to shift and pivot. A lot of people will hear

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<v Speaker 2>that and they think to themselves, well, that doesn't happen

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<v Speaker 2>to me. It happens for those people. They hear that

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<v Speaker 2>and think, yeah, you can't really think your way into anything.

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<v Speaker 2>Or people hear it and say, no, I tried that

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<v Speaker 2>once and it didn't work for me. How do you

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<v Speaker 2>approach that conversation of helping people realize the power that

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<v Speaker 2>they hold and the power of what's possible for any

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<v Speaker 2>one of us.

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<v Speaker 1>I love the way you've kind of segued that from

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<v Speaker 1>nature into manifestation. Because a few things here, one thing

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<v Speaker 1>is that if you just observe nature, you see manifestation

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<v Speaker 1>or the time you know, you see a flower growing

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<v Speaker 1>from a bard into a fully formed flower, and then

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<v Speaker 1>it's petals starting to fall, you see trees growing, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>all sorts of things. And the other connection there is

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<v Speaker 1>that creating the environment within yourself and around yourself to

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<v Speaker 1>allow things like manifestation to happen. And that basically means

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<v Speaker 1>at the simplest level, that you set a goal, you say,

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<v Speaker 1>this is what I want my life to be, like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>this is a specific thing I want in my life,

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<v Speaker 1>and then there's a process that leads that to potentially

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<v Speaker 1>manifesting in the real world. But I do agree with

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<v Speaker 1>one of those skepticism points, which is that you can't

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<v Speaker 1>sit at home and think about it. So I've been

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<v Speaker 1>really really clear about saying that it's manifestation, is not

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<v Speaker 1>creating a fantasy and then waiting for it to come

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<v Speaker 1>true with no action from yourself. So I actually renamed

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<v Speaker 1>vision boards action boards as if to say that, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>create imagery that represents what you want, but then you

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<v Speaker 1>have to be doing something every day to move yourself

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<v Speaker 1>closer to that, whether it's being healthier, just so that

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<v Speaker 1>you're brain is in a better environment, or it's networking

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<v Speaker 1>or dating or you know, saving money, whatever it is

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<v Speaker 1>that's going to get you. Let's say the house that

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<v Speaker 1>you want. You know, a great example is people might say,

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<v Speaker 1>of course, I'd love a house in the Hampton's but

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<v Speaker 1>if that's not realistic for you in the short term,

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<v Speaker 1>then you'll only reinforce the fact that you're failing at manifesting.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's better to say I'd like to be on

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<v Speaker 1>the property ladder and start there and then obviously build bigger.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you find a difference, And I want to get

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<v Speaker 2>into the science and research part to show the validity

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<v Speaker 2>of what you're saying, Did you find a difference in

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<v Speaker 2>the science of measuring extrinsic and intrinsic motivators? Because I

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<v Speaker 2>feel like manifestation is still always about what do you want?

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<v Speaker 2>Where do you want to be? And as you know, honestly,

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<v Speaker 2>I can only I can only really speak for myself.

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<v Speaker 2>But when I think about it, for me, I've if

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<v Speaker 2>someone asked me what that was, I've always wanted to

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<v Speaker 2>just wake up and do what I love every day,

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<v Speaker 2>like that's that's really all I care about. And so

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<v Speaker 2>It's all I care, right, is I want to wake

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<v Speaker 2>up and do what I love every day and hopefully

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<v Speaker 2>improves the lives of other people. And if those two

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<v Speaker 2>things can go together. And I find that a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of manifestation stems around like what kind of house do

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<v Speaker 2>you want? And what kind of car do you want?

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<v Speaker 2>And what kind of life do you want? And it

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<v Speaker 2>gets very extrinsic, and so I wonder whether I'm intrigued.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm really curious to know what the science suggests about

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<v Speaker 2>when you're having an action board towards an intrinsic motivator

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<v Speaker 2>or an extrinsic motivator.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a lot to unpack here.

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<v Speaker 2>Please, I'm all leaders, I'm here as a student to

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<v Speaker 2>just listen because I'm so fascinated.

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<v Speaker 1>So in terms of the motivation, to make it really

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<v Speaker 1>easy for people to understand, I called it magnetic desire,

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<v Speaker 1>which is something that is so emotionally driven for you,

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<v Speaker 1>personally underligned with you know what's logically doable in your

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<v Speaker 1>life and what your intuition tells you, and you know

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<v Speaker 1>what your creative brain can help you to achieve. That

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<v Speaker 1>if you have magnetic desire for something, then you know

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<v Speaker 1>I always say if you follow your passion, you will

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<v Speaker 1>be successful. But I'm mindful that that statement and even

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<v Speaker 1>your one if I just want to wake up and

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<v Speaker 1>do what I love, are extremely privileged statements. So with manifestation,

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<v Speaker 1>one of the criticisms is that you know, that's a

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<v Speaker 1>luxury for people who already have, you know, more than

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<v Speaker 1>what they need, and then they can say, oh, well,

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<v Speaker 1>I would love, you know, to do this or have this.

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<v Speaker 1>And so I think what I've learned in where I

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<v Speaker 1>have ever felt slightly defensive around that statement is that

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<v Speaker 1>whoever you are, wherever you are, there is one tiny

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<v Speaker 1>thing that you could do to make your life better,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's the micro changes that build you up to

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<v Speaker 1>getting to a point where maybe you can actually do

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<v Speaker 1>something that you love rather than do what you have

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<v Speaker 1>to do to put food on the table for your children.

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<v Speaker 1>But having said that, if your ideas for what you

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<v Speaker 1>want to manifest are things like, well, all my friends

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<v Speaker 1>are getting married and having family, so I want to

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<v Speaker 1>get married and have a family, rather than I've really

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<v Speaker 1>thought about what I want to do, and my passion

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<v Speaker 1>and purpose might mean that I have to delay having

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<v Speaker 1>a family, and that's okay. It's more likely to work

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<v Speaker 1>out with the second one than the one that's kind

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<v Speaker 1>of too guided by parental expectations, societal expectation, career, you know, aspirations.

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<v Speaker 1>So I do think people have to dig deeper for

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<v Speaker 1>manifestation to you know, really work well.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, walk me through some of the science that and

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<v Speaker 2>the research that validates some of these claims, because I

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<v Speaker 2>think that's your unique perspective, and that's been the unique

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<v Speaker 2>angle that you brought to in I feel like it's

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<v Speaker 2>great to understand that this stuff is actually being research tested, discovered.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not just being said because it not just sounds good,

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<v Speaker 2>but that maybe there's a couple of case studies, but

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<v Speaker 2>there's more than that.

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<v Speaker 1>So there's two main sort of areas around that. One

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<v Speaker 1>is the sort of six themes that I narrowed down

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<v Speaker 1>from the twelve laws of attraction that I could explain

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<v Speaker 1>with cognitive science, which is neuroscience and psychology. So when

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<v Speaker 1>I first started that research, I saw that there wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>even agreement over what the laws of attraction were or

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<v Speaker 1>how many there were. So I thought, okay, let me

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<v Speaker 1>distill this down to like something that makes sense to me,

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<v Speaker 1>and then like see what we can do with it.

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<v Speaker 1>So the first one is abundance because one of the

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<v Speaker 1>strongest gearings in the brain is loss avoidance. So to

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<v Speaker 1>survive when we lived in the cave, we had to

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<v Speaker 1>stay safe rather than take risk. Now for most of

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<v Speaker 1>us who are lucky enough, you know, to live in

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<v Speaker 1>the modern world and have basic safety around us, it's

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<v Speaker 1>healthier for us to be willing to take risk. So

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<v Speaker 1>you actually have to override that ancient wiring of the

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<v Speaker 1>brain which says, no, don't go and like, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>fly to London and try to have meetings with lots

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<v Speaker 1>of different people who may not want to meet you.

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<v Speaker 1>Stay in LA because that's safer, and you've got your

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<v Speaker 1>community around you and you know, you know, you've got

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<v Speaker 1>a big network. So for you to say, well, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going to go to a news I know it's not

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<v Speaker 1>it was your home. But in terms of like recent work,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, kind of take a bit of a risk,

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<v Speaker 1>take a week out there. You know, see who I

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<v Speaker 1>can interview. That is you overriding that part of your

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<v Speaker 1>brain that might say it would just be easier for

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<v Speaker 1>me to stay in LA. So it's as simple as that.

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<v Speaker 1>It can obviously be a lot harder than that as well.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's understanding that your brain will do quite a

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<v Speaker 1>lot to stop you from taking risk. It's two and

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<v Speaker 1>a half times as strongly wired to avoid risk as

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<v Speaker 1>it is to gain reward.

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<v Speaker 2>And do that part again, it's two.

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<v Speaker 1>And a half times more strongly wired to avoid risk

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<v Speaker 1>than is to get a reward.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>It's about believing that there are enough resources out there

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<v Speaker 1>for everyone, and that by you know, perhaps entering a

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<v Speaker 1>new career pool or a new community of people, that

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<v Speaker 1>it doesn't mean that you're likely to fail if you've

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<v Speaker 1>managed to be in an abundant state, Because what that

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<v Speaker 1>does in the brain is it moves the brain away

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<v Speaker 1>from the fear and shame kind of states which correlate

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<v Speaker 1>with the stress woman cortisol, to the love and trust

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<v Speaker 1>and joy and excitement states which correlate with the bonding

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<v Speaker 1>hormone oxytocin. Now, when your brain is in that state,

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<v Speaker 1>it's much more likely to take a healthy risk. It's

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<v Speaker 1>much more likely to ask someone for a favor. We

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<v Speaker 1>were talking about, you know, asking each other for favors before.

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<v Speaker 1>You wouldn't do that if you thought, well, don't ask ja,

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<v Speaker 1>because you'll just shut you down, then you would never

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<v Speaker 1>ask anyone. But if you start a conversation and someone

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<v Speaker 1>looks like they want to be generous and help you,

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<v Speaker 1>then you know you go into that oxytocin mode. But

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<v Speaker 1>you need to be pushing yourself into that mode as

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<v Speaker 1>much of the time as you can. So the second

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<v Speaker 1>one is manifestation, which is believing that with your abundant

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<v Speaker 1>resources you can do things in the real world that

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<v Speaker 1>mean that whether it's that feeling if I do what

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<v Speaker 1>I love, or it's an actual house, that you have

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<v Speaker 1>it in your capability to make that happen. Because of course,

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<v Speaker 1>if you believe it will never happen for me one

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<v Speaker 1>of these common statements that's likely to become true, that's

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<v Speaker 1>manifestation too, it's just negative manifestation. And it's important to

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<v Speaker 1>say that both manifestation and the process of neuroplasticity, which

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<v Speaker 1>I will describe in detail, which is how your brain

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<v Speaker 1>changes to allow you to grow and grasp new opportunities,

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<v Speaker 1>they both have a good side and a bad side.

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<v Speaker 1>And the classic example of a bad side of neuroplasticity

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<v Speaker 1>is obsessing over an X after a breakup, because what

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<v Speaker 1>you're saying to your brain is this is what people do.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, you trust them, and then they leave you,

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<v Speaker 1>and you just remind yourself of all the times that

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<v Speaker 1>you should have seen the signs, and then you know

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<v Speaker 1>all the times that it went wrong. That's also inducing

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<v Speaker 1>neuroplasticity and potentially manifestation in your brain, because if you

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<v Speaker 1>don't make a change after that, your relationship pattern will

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<v Speaker 1>stay the same and you'll reinforce it further with more

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<v Speaker 1>breakups and more you know, sort of choices of partners

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<v Speaker 1>aren't ideal for you. The third one is the magnetic

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<v Speaker 1>desire that I already discussed, which means that it has

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<v Speaker 1>to be really authentic to you but also aligned in

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<v Speaker 1>simple terms in your head, your heart, and your gut.

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<v Speaker 1>But in the source, I talk about six ways of thinking,

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<v Speaker 1>which are logical, emotional, physical, intuitive, motivational, and creative. So

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<v Speaker 1>if you think of something that you want and you

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<v Speaker 1>ask yourself in six different questions, you know, why do

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<v Speaker 1>I want this?

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<v Speaker 2>Logically?

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<v Speaker 1>Why do I want it? Intuitively? And you can get

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<v Speaker 1>a really good answer to those, then it's likely that

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<v Speaker 1>you know you will be able to manifest that. Then

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<v Speaker 1>there's patience, which is to do with neuroplasticity. So until

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<v Speaker 1>we had sophisticated scanning technologies, a lot of this work,

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<v Speaker 1>cognitive science work was all thought to be psychological rather

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<v Speaker 1>than neurological. So it would kind of be like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, Jay, you're not mentally strong enough. You gave

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<v Speaker 1>up too quickly, and it would kind of infer an

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<v Speaker 1>intangible psychological weakness that is kind of your fault. And

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's another criticism of manifestation as well, that

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<v Speaker 1>if it doesn't work, then there's something wrong with you.

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<v Speaker 1>If you understand that it's actually physical work when you're

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<v Speaker 1>changing something, when you're striving for something, connecting up neurons

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<v Speaker 1>or nerve cells in your brain that weren't connected previously.

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<v Speaker 1>You may even be growing new nerve cells from little

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<v Speaker 1>embryonic you know, baby nerve cells that then connect up

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<v Speaker 1>with ones that already exist. And you may also be

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<v Speaker 1>adding an insulating coat around existing neural pathways to make

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<v Speaker 1>them faster, to make them more efficient. So the patient's

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<v Speaker 1>piece is because a lot of hard work goes on.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, that feeling of I'm trying to manifest but

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<v Speaker 1>nothing's happening. That's in the patient's piece, Because when you

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<v Speaker 1>get to a critical mass, of neurons that have created

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<v Speaker 1>a new pathway that is stronger than the pathway you

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<v Speaker 1>had before. So let's say it's just the things like

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<v Speaker 1>that never happened for me. Pathway changes to a well, actually,

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<v Speaker 1>I've seen Jay do it, so maybe it could happen

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<v Speaker 1>for me. Pathway that takes a lot of effort, But

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<v Speaker 1>once you get to the critical mass of enough neurons,

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<v Speaker 1>suddenly it feels like everything's easy and everything's manifesting. And

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<v Speaker 1>I do feel like people have to get a taste

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<v Speaker 1>of that before, you know, at least once with a

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<v Speaker 1>quick win, to have the courage to take it to

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<v Speaker 1>the next level. And the last two, which I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>universal connection. And harmony is kind of also to do

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<v Speaker 1>also means that it should be aligned like with the world,

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<v Speaker 1>like you're not doing some harm to get what you want.

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<v Speaker 1>And universal connection is about the fact that you know

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<v Speaker 2>and therefore as we get older, it becomes really hard

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<v Speaker 2>to change them, right, and so that also applies to love.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like, oh, if someone says, oh, my parents had

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<v Speaker 2>a bad marriage, like, I'm just scared I'm going to

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<v Speaker 2>repeat it, and then that becomes their narrative when we're

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<v Speaker 2>talking about changing those Does every thought count? Does every

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<v Speaker 2>thought matter? Like, talk me through that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, absolutely, every single thought matters. And that's why there's

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<v Speaker 1>an old Buddhist saying that has replace every negative thought

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<v Speaker 1>with a positive thought. And neuroplasticity completely back set up

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<v Speaker 1>because the way we rewire our brains is not that

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<v Speaker 1>we so basically we cannot undo a negative thought pattern

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<v Speaker 1>or a negative relationship pattern. We have to overwrite it

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<v Speaker 1>with a new one. So rather than focusing on the negatives,

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<v Speaker 1>which is, you know, to do with that abundance piece,

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<v Speaker 1>it's better to work out what do I need to

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<v Speaker 1>do differently to not keep repeating this obstacle or challenge

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<v Speaker 1>that keeps coming up in my life. So the way

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<v Speaker 1>that it physically works, the process that underpins neuroplastic is

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<v Speaker 1>underpinned by neuroplasticity is a four step process, and it

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<v Speaker 1>starts with raised awareness, which is kind of what you've

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<v Speaker 1>already said, which is really monitoring your thoughts, understanding what

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<v Speaker 1>the beliefs are that are underneath driving those thoughts, and

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<v Speaker 1>making you make the decisions that you make in the

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<v Speaker 1>real world. And I would suggest that people spend at

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<v Speaker 1>least a month monitoring that with journaling, maybe talking therapy,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe talking to a friend, as long as you know

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<v Speaker 1>you're very clear that they that their agenda for you

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<v Speaker 1>kind of doesn't, you know, affect that. And then the

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<v Speaker 1>second stage is focused attention. So that is then let's

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<v Speaker 1>say you notice a particular pattern that you have. Let's

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<v Speaker 1>say it's around money. Notice the next time again for

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<v Speaker 1>a month, probably that you don't buy something because you

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<v Speaker 1>don't feel you deserve it, because you think it's too expensive,

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<v Speaker 1>or you wait for something to go into the sale

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<v Speaker 1>and then you miss out on getting it, you know,

0:24:00.920 --> 0:24:04.800
<v Speaker 1>So things like that, any money behaviors or love behaviors, whichever,

0:24:05.760 --> 0:24:09.800
<v Speaker 1>And at first, don't try to change anything, but just

0:24:09.960 --> 0:24:13.520
<v Speaker 1>notice it, like maybe straight after it happened. Then try

0:24:13.520 --> 0:24:16.560
<v Speaker 1>to in time get yourself to notice when it's happening

0:24:16.560 --> 0:24:18.440
<v Speaker 1>and see if you can reframe it. Maybe you can,

0:24:18.480 --> 0:24:21.119
<v Speaker 1>maybe you can't, and then to try to get yourself

0:24:21.119 --> 0:24:23.760
<v Speaker 1>to the stage where you think. Normally, I wouldn't buy

0:24:23.760 --> 0:24:25.840
<v Speaker 1>this because I don't think I deserve it. But today

0:24:25.920 --> 0:24:28.480
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to treat myself because I believe in abundance

0:24:28.840 --> 0:24:32.200
<v Speaker 1>and I believe that I will achieve the career aims

0:24:32.200 --> 0:24:34.119
<v Speaker 1>that I have that will make me able to afford that.

0:24:35.119 --> 0:24:37.959
<v Speaker 1>The third stage is deliberate practice, which is that you

0:24:38.480 --> 0:24:42.240
<v Speaker 1>regularly practice the new desired behavior until it becomes so

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<v Speaker 1>ingrained in your brain that it's actually easier for you

0:24:44.960 --> 0:24:48.080
<v Speaker 1>to do that than default to the old behavior. And

0:24:48.119 --> 0:24:50.240
<v Speaker 1>the last part, it's not really one of the stages

0:24:50.800 --> 0:24:53.520
<v Speaker 1>it takes you through the whole process, is accountability. So

0:24:53.920 --> 0:24:56.800
<v Speaker 1>how do you hold yourself accountable? Some people have a

0:24:56.840 --> 0:24:58.960
<v Speaker 1>coach or a therapist or a partner that might hold

0:24:58.960 --> 0:25:01.800
<v Speaker 1>them accountable. If you don't, and you need to do

0:25:01.840 --> 0:25:03.880
<v Speaker 1>it by yourself, then a vision board is a really

0:25:03.880 --> 0:25:05.919
<v Speaker 1>good way of doing it. Because you've clearly stated what

0:25:05.960 --> 0:25:08.960
<v Speaker 1>you want, you can see if you've got it or not.

0:25:09.040 --> 0:25:10.320
<v Speaker 1>At the end of the year, you can say I

0:25:10.440 --> 0:25:14.199
<v Speaker 1>manifested sixty percent of the things that I wanted. And

0:25:14.280 --> 0:25:17.040
<v Speaker 1>I also use an app called Habit share where I

0:25:17.119 --> 0:25:21.080
<v Speaker 1>record twelve micro habits each year and I can track them,

0:25:21.119 --> 0:25:23.639
<v Speaker 1>I can share them if I want to. I found

0:25:23.640 --> 0:25:26.120
<v Speaker 1>that was better for me than New Year's resolutions, because

0:25:26.160 --> 0:25:27.639
<v Speaker 1>I could just take two or three of them and

0:25:27.680 --> 0:25:30.439
<v Speaker 1>try to bring them into my talkit each quarter of

0:25:30.440 --> 0:25:32.440
<v Speaker 1>the year, and then by the end of the year

0:25:32.440 --> 0:25:34.240
<v Speaker 1>I would find like eight of ten or ten of

0:25:34.280 --> 0:25:36.520
<v Speaker 1>those were habits already. So I kind of do that

0:25:36.560 --> 0:25:38.359
<v Speaker 1>alongside my bigger goals.

0:25:38.840 --> 0:25:41.800
<v Speaker 2>I find like when people think about this, one of

0:25:41.800 --> 0:25:43.919
<v Speaker 2>the things that kind of keeps tripping them up is

0:25:44.960 --> 0:25:46.760
<v Speaker 2>Jack can say it, and I can think it, but

0:25:46.800 --> 0:25:49.080
<v Speaker 2>I don't believe it. Yeah, right, And I'm sure you've

0:25:49.080 --> 0:25:52.439
<v Speaker 2>heard that a million times, that fear of like, okay, well,

0:25:52.920 --> 0:25:56.919
<v Speaker 2>you know, I don't believe I can start living my

0:25:57.000 --> 0:26:00.600
<v Speaker 2>passion and I don't believe that I can and do

0:26:00.680 --> 0:26:02.840
<v Speaker 2>what I love for work, or I don't believe that

0:26:03.119 --> 0:26:07.480
<v Speaker 2>I have it's possible for someone like me to achieve

0:26:07.560 --> 0:26:10.680
<v Speaker 2>whatever else it may be. And then I can say

0:26:10.680 --> 0:26:12.000
<v Speaker 2>it to myself before I go to bed, but I

0:26:12.000 --> 0:26:14.119
<v Speaker 2>don't believe it because I don't believe it. I stopped

0:26:14.119 --> 0:26:17.200
<v Speaker 2>doing it after two to three days. What's the difference

0:26:17.280 --> 0:26:20.199
<v Speaker 2>between someone who's practicing this in a way that it

0:26:20.240 --> 0:26:22.920
<v Speaker 2>works and we'll get onto action in a second, but

0:26:22.960 --> 0:26:25.720
<v Speaker 2>at least practicing the belief change because I'm fully with you.

0:26:25.760 --> 0:26:29.520
<v Speaker 2>By the way, I remember, I had a mentor that

0:26:29.680 --> 0:26:31.520
<v Speaker 2>used to constantly say to me. You'd say, Jay, you're

0:26:31.520 --> 0:26:34.880
<v Speaker 2>an entrepreneur. You're an entrepreneur, You're an entrepreneur. At this time,

0:26:34.920 --> 0:26:37.040
<v Speaker 2>I was working a full time job nine to five

0:26:37.080 --> 0:26:40.440
<v Speaker 2>and getting paid whatever it was, and he'd keep telling me,

0:26:40.520 --> 0:26:42.280
<v Speaker 2>But like, Jay, you're an entrepreneur. I'd keep telling hm.

0:26:42.280 --> 0:26:44.040
<v Speaker 2>I'd be like, no, I'm not. No, I'm not. No,

0:26:44.160 --> 0:26:48.000
<v Speaker 2>I'm not I'm an artist, I'm a creative. I'm definitely

0:26:48.040 --> 0:26:49.840
<v Speaker 2>not an entrepreneur. The last thing I want to do

0:26:49.920 --> 0:26:52.760
<v Speaker 2>is run a business. Like that's just not who I am.

0:26:52.840 --> 0:26:54.199
<v Speaker 2>And if you asked me, I would have said, I'm

0:26:54.240 --> 0:26:56.320
<v Speaker 2>a very self aware person at this point in my life.

0:26:56.440 --> 0:26:59.159
<v Speaker 2>It wasn't that I didn't reflect enough. I felt like

0:26:59.200 --> 0:27:01.159
<v Speaker 2>I really knew who I was and I was like

0:27:01.240 --> 0:27:02.959
<v Speaker 2>this is And then it was only when I was

0:27:03.000 --> 0:27:05.920
<v Speaker 2>required to have to be an entrepreneur did I have

0:27:06.000 --> 0:27:08.959
<v Speaker 2>to shift into that gear and become one. But if

0:27:08.960 --> 0:27:11.040
<v Speaker 2>you still ask me today, I'm like, I'm an entrepreneur,

0:27:11.080 --> 0:27:13.360
<v Speaker 2>but I much prefer being a creative and an artist

0:27:13.800 --> 0:27:17.159
<v Speaker 2>and a thinker. That's that's where I thrive, if you

0:27:17.240 --> 0:27:19.320
<v Speaker 2>ask me. Yeah, but I did something when I was

0:27:19.359 --> 0:27:22.199
<v Speaker 2>required to do it. So I see you smiling, and

0:27:22.240 --> 0:27:24.560
<v Speaker 2>so I want to hear your reaction to what I'm sharing.

0:27:24.760 --> 0:27:27.360
<v Speaker 1>Four things there, so I hope I can remember them all.

0:27:27.640 --> 0:27:30.760
<v Speaker 1>The first one is that there's a step before what

0:27:30.800 --> 0:27:32.840
<v Speaker 1>you said, which is that some people aren't even aware

0:27:32.920 --> 0:27:34.960
<v Speaker 1>that they don't think they deserve it. So well, I

0:27:35.000 --> 0:27:38.040
<v Speaker 1>discovered something quite by accident, which was a theme of

0:27:38.119 --> 0:27:43.080
<v Speaker 1>people selecting images for their vision board, placing them onto

0:27:43.080 --> 0:27:45.760
<v Speaker 1>the board, even spending the time to like shuffle them

0:27:45.760 --> 0:27:47.720
<v Speaker 1>around make sure it all like looks and feels right,

0:27:48.080 --> 0:27:49.920
<v Speaker 1>and then telling me that they never stuck them down.

0:27:50.720 --> 0:27:51.120
<v Speaker 2>Wow.

0:27:51.359 --> 0:27:53.240
<v Speaker 1>And I just had a light bulb moment and I said,

0:27:53.240 --> 0:27:54.760
<v Speaker 1>you haven't stuck them down, so you don't believe you

0:27:54.800 --> 0:27:57.120
<v Speaker 1>deserve them, And the person, just like you know, had

0:27:57.119 --> 0:27:59.800
<v Speaker 1>a bit of a meltdown. And so every time i've

0:27:59.840 --> 0:28:02.080
<v Speaker 1>heard someone do you know a variation on that theme,

0:28:02.160 --> 0:28:06.040
<v Speaker 1>I've talked about deserving this, So so like even that

0:28:06.080 --> 0:28:07.480
<v Speaker 1>has to be known in the first place.

0:28:07.600 --> 0:28:10.120
<v Speaker 2>Right well, we think it's too ridiculous or too out

0:28:10.160 --> 0:28:11.679
<v Speaker 2>there or right.

0:28:12.320 --> 0:28:15.359
<v Speaker 1>Next, I do think it's about who you surround yourself with.

0:28:15.400 --> 0:28:17.360
<v Speaker 1>So I started smiling when you said I had a mentor,

0:28:17.760 --> 0:28:20.600
<v Speaker 1>because that already means that you've sought out someone that's

0:28:20.640 --> 0:28:23.119
<v Speaker 1>going to challenge your thinking, that's going to push you

0:28:23.160 --> 0:28:25.719
<v Speaker 1>to be your best. And my version of that is that,

0:28:26.760 --> 0:28:29.359
<v Speaker 1>like I said, I spent nine years at university to

0:28:29.400 --> 0:28:31.960
<v Speaker 1>become a medical doctor in the NHS. I did not

0:28:32.040 --> 0:28:34.000
<v Speaker 1>believe that I could do anything else. I didn't I

0:28:34.040 --> 0:28:37.040
<v Speaker 1>had a vocational degree. I didn't have a more general

0:28:37.080 --> 0:28:39.360
<v Speaker 1>degree where I could say I could go and you know,

0:28:39.440 --> 0:28:42.840
<v Speaker 1>apply to do something else. My best friend, whose kids

0:28:42.880 --> 0:28:48.160
<v Speaker 1>I was just babysitter, she had read biochemistry at Oxford,

0:28:48.280 --> 0:28:50.680
<v Speaker 1>she'd worked in the dot com explosion, and then she

0:28:50.800 --> 0:28:53.120
<v Speaker 1>just announced to our sort of closest circle one day

0:28:53.120 --> 0:28:55.160
<v Speaker 1>at dinner, I'm going to give it all up and

0:28:55.200 --> 0:28:58.880
<v Speaker 1>go and study a master's in sculpture. And I remember

0:28:58.920 --> 0:29:04.120
<v Speaker 1>thinking that's incredible, But I could never do that. And

0:29:04.600 --> 0:29:06.040
<v Speaker 1>it was only kind of like one and a half

0:29:06.160 --> 0:29:09.240
<v Speaker 1>or two years later that I then said I'm leaving medicine,

0:29:09.920 --> 0:29:12.000
<v Speaker 1>and I remember my brother said to me, I'm really

0:29:12.000 --> 0:29:13.640
<v Speaker 1>proud of you, but I could never do that. So

0:29:14.160 --> 0:29:17.000
<v Speaker 1>it's almost like there's a chain of totally yeah. And

0:29:17.520 --> 0:29:20.800
<v Speaker 1>if you were around people who were only doing what

0:29:20.840 --> 0:29:25.000
<v Speaker 1>you do, who also had self limiting beliefs, who you know,

0:29:25.080 --> 0:29:29.000
<v Speaker 1>had maybe some things even against being entrepreneurial, you might

0:29:29.000 --> 0:29:31.280
<v Speaker 1>have stayed stuck where you were. And then the next

0:29:31.320 --> 0:29:34.360
<v Speaker 1>stage is a lot of people try and then give up. Right,

0:29:35.360 --> 0:29:38.760
<v Speaker 1>And I'm not saying this is for everyone, but when

0:29:38.760 --> 0:29:41.440
<v Speaker 1>I changed career, I went from having a you know,

0:29:41.520 --> 0:29:46.040
<v Speaker 1>not very high but stable salary to having nothing. And

0:29:46.880 --> 0:29:48.880
<v Speaker 1>that was the case for quite a while. And a

0:29:48.880 --> 0:29:51.160
<v Speaker 1>few people said to me, please just go and like

0:29:51.560 --> 0:29:53.520
<v Speaker 1>work in the hospital for one weekend, You'll be able

0:29:53.520 --> 0:29:55.840
<v Speaker 1>to pay your rent and like not you know, kind

0:29:55.840 --> 0:29:59.120
<v Speaker 1>of worry about money so much, and a lot of

0:29:59.120 --> 0:30:01.880
<v Speaker 1>people hold down part time job when they're becoming an entrepreneur.

0:30:02.360 --> 0:30:05.120
<v Speaker 1>But I said, if I do that, I will feel

0:30:05.160 --> 0:30:07.720
<v Speaker 1>like I failed. So for me, I had to burn

0:30:07.760 --> 0:30:09.960
<v Speaker 1>my boats like there was no way back. I had

0:30:10.000 --> 0:30:12.239
<v Speaker 1>to succeed. And like I said, I'm not saying that's

0:30:12.320 --> 0:30:15.080
<v Speaker 1>right for everyone, but everyone will have their version of

0:30:15.640 --> 0:30:19.480
<v Speaker 1>the thing that will really make them say I cannot fail.

0:30:19.880 --> 0:30:24.000
<v Speaker 2>That initial challenge of like you're saying that, even becoming

0:30:24.040 --> 0:30:27.000
<v Speaker 2>aware that we don't believe we deserve something or something's

0:30:27.040 --> 0:30:29.640
<v Speaker 2>meant for us, it can be such an uncomfortable discovery

0:30:30.360 --> 0:30:37.280
<v Speaker 2>because it almost starts indicating towards the fact that there

0:30:37.320 --> 0:30:42.200
<v Speaker 2>are past experiences, past traumas, past relationships that you now

0:30:42.240 --> 0:30:45.080
<v Speaker 2>have to go back to and uncover and unlearn and

0:30:45.200 --> 0:30:49.400
<v Speaker 2>understand because you've almost been living in a sense of

0:30:49.480 --> 0:30:52.480
<v Speaker 2>darkness in that area of your life. And I think

0:30:52.520 --> 0:30:55.480
<v Speaker 2>that can be really disconcerting because it requires so much

0:30:55.600 --> 0:30:59.720
<v Speaker 2>time to actually and an energy to actually go back

0:30:59.720 --> 0:31:03.120
<v Speaker 2>there and excavate and look at it and face it

0:31:03.200 --> 0:31:06.760
<v Speaker 2>head on. What does signs have to say about how

0:31:06.800 --> 0:31:09.440
<v Speaker 2>can we look at our past? How can we look

0:31:09.480 --> 0:31:12.600
<v Speaker 2>at our wiring in a healthy way rather than a

0:31:12.680 --> 0:31:15.440
<v Speaker 2>judgmental way, Because we could just turn around and say,

0:31:15.920 --> 0:31:18.479
<v Speaker 2>I'm the worst that I've been thinking this way, you

0:31:18.520 --> 0:31:22.040
<v Speaker 2>start criticizing yourself. I've wasted so much time. I always

0:31:22.040 --> 0:31:24.240
<v Speaker 2>hear even sometimes I hear people and like, I wish

0:31:24.280 --> 0:31:26.120
<v Speaker 2>I started when I was eighteen. I wish I started

0:31:26.120 --> 0:31:28.560
<v Speaker 2>when I was twenty five, and there's this regret that's

0:31:28.680 --> 0:31:32.000
<v Speaker 2>underlying that feeling. Even if they did change, how do

0:31:32.080 --> 0:31:34.720
<v Speaker 2>we look at our past and look at change in

0:31:34.760 --> 0:31:37.160
<v Speaker 2>a healthier way rather than a negative way.

0:31:37.360 --> 0:31:39.120
<v Speaker 1>I think one of the things that you're talking about

0:31:39.200 --> 0:31:42.800
<v Speaker 1>is this idea of having really in depth psychotherapy and

0:31:42.840 --> 0:31:45.960
<v Speaker 1>having to uncover every trauma in your life to get

0:31:46.000 --> 0:31:48.000
<v Speaker 1>to the point where you're healed enough to move forward.

0:31:48.640 --> 0:31:51.800
<v Speaker 1>I am obviously a fan of therapy, you know, for

0:31:52.360 --> 0:31:55.200
<v Speaker 1>many reasons, but I don't particularly think that you have

0:31:55.240 --> 0:31:57.800
<v Speaker 1>to uncover every trauma in your life to be able

0:31:57.880 --> 0:32:01.000
<v Speaker 1>to move forward. The career changed I made in factors

0:32:01.040 --> 0:32:06.640
<v Speaker 1>to coaching, So coaching tends to be more forward looking

0:32:06.800 --> 0:32:09.040
<v Speaker 1>or you know, sort of positive looking unless there's, you know,

0:32:09.080 --> 0:32:12.080
<v Speaker 1>some kind of major trauma. I don't think it's necessary

0:32:12.120 --> 0:32:16.360
<v Speaker 1>to dig everything up in like years of psychotherapy. But

0:32:16.720 --> 0:32:20.440
<v Speaker 1>there are some sort of models in science that can

0:32:20.480 --> 0:32:22.560
<v Speaker 1>be quite useful for people, whether you know, it could

0:32:22.600 --> 0:32:25.440
<v Speaker 1>just be self discovery. So there's one called Ghosts in

0:32:25.480 --> 0:32:30.960
<v Speaker 1>the Executive Suite, and that talks about the childhood systems

0:32:30.960 --> 0:32:33.600
<v Speaker 1>that you grew up in and the fact that the

0:32:33.640 --> 0:32:36.120
<v Speaker 1>wiring that was embedded in the first seven and then

0:32:36.160 --> 0:32:39.440
<v Speaker 1>also the first fourteen years of your life are likely

0:32:39.520 --> 0:32:42.120
<v Speaker 1>to be very non conscious now in adulthood, but still

0:32:42.200 --> 0:32:45.000
<v Speaker 1>driving a lot of your behaviors. And so the business

0:32:45.000 --> 0:32:47.040
<v Speaker 1>side of that is called in the executive suite. So

0:32:47.080 --> 0:32:49.120
<v Speaker 1>it's looking at CEOs who are behaving in a certain

0:32:49.160 --> 0:32:52.960
<v Speaker 1>way because of those but it can apply to anyone's life,

0:32:52.960 --> 0:32:55.680
<v Speaker 1>and it looks at things like the boundaries and the

0:32:55.760 --> 0:32:58.720
<v Speaker 1>values and the secrets and the sort of identities that

0:32:58.760 --> 0:33:01.200
<v Speaker 1>you had as a child. So you know, you may

0:33:01.200 --> 0:33:03.120
<v Speaker 1>have had a home where everyone was welcome to drop

0:33:03.160 --> 0:33:04.959
<v Speaker 1>in and they would just be added into the family

0:33:05.000 --> 0:33:07.240
<v Speaker 1>meal and they could stay the night. And I may

0:33:07.240 --> 0:33:09.040
<v Speaker 1>have been, you know, grown up in a home where

0:33:09.480 --> 0:33:11.920
<v Speaker 1>you had to plan everything in advance. If someone was

0:33:11.960 --> 0:33:14.280
<v Speaker 1>coming over, then you know, the people would make sure

0:33:14.280 --> 0:33:16.560
<v Speaker 1>there was enough food and make sure that a bed

0:33:16.640 --> 0:33:18.400
<v Speaker 1>was made in advance, and all this kind of thing.

0:33:19.320 --> 0:33:22.960
<v Speaker 1>And then values tends to be a lot around money,

0:33:23.400 --> 0:33:25.320
<v Speaker 1>So you know, you may have grown up in a

0:33:25.360 --> 0:33:29.080
<v Speaker 1>household where people say money is a bad thing. It's

0:33:29.120 --> 0:33:30.880
<v Speaker 1>not good to have too much of it. You know,

0:33:30.960 --> 0:33:34.520
<v Speaker 1>even in many religions they say that if you're excessively wealthy,

0:33:34.560 --> 0:33:36.640
<v Speaker 1>that your chances of going to heaven are kind of lower.

0:33:36.720 --> 0:33:38.280
<v Speaker 1>So you know, there's a lot of that rhetoric in

0:33:38.320 --> 0:33:43.760
<v Speaker 1>our society. Identification is about things like, oh, you're just

0:33:43.800 --> 0:33:45.520
<v Speaker 1>like your father, or you're just like you know, your

0:33:45.600 --> 0:33:49.200
<v Speaker 1>uncle used to be. Secrets is we never talk about

0:33:49.240 --> 0:33:53.480
<v Speaker 1>that alcoholic gun call kind of thing, and roles includes

0:33:53.520 --> 0:33:55.720
<v Speaker 1>things like where you the peacemaker or the go between,

0:33:56.200 --> 0:33:59.200
<v Speaker 1>and all of those sorts of things may influence you

0:33:59.280 --> 0:34:02.120
<v Speaker 1>later in life without you realizing it. But there is

0:34:02.240 --> 0:34:05.720
<v Speaker 1>self exploration and other work that you can do with

0:34:05.800 --> 0:34:08.520
<v Speaker 1>people to help you uncover that. And also the really

0:34:08.520 --> 0:34:13.760
<v Speaker 1>good news is that Freud talked about stages of child

0:34:13.840 --> 0:34:20.719
<v Speaker 1>psychosocial development and things like trauma, neglect, abandonment, separation from parents' illness,

0:34:21.440 --> 0:34:24.080
<v Speaker 1>and described in great detail what would go wrong with

0:34:24.120 --> 0:34:26.040
<v Speaker 1>you for the rest of your life if you experienced

0:34:26.080 --> 0:34:29.560
<v Speaker 1>any of those things. And then later a psychologist called

0:34:29.719 --> 0:34:33.960
<v Speaker 1>Ericson came along and talked about the vice and the virtue.

0:34:34.000 --> 0:34:36.640
<v Speaker 1>So he said, if you have a childhood trauma at

0:34:36.640 --> 0:34:40.320
<v Speaker 1>a certain age, then this is what could go wrong,

0:34:40.560 --> 0:34:43.440
<v Speaker 1>but this is also your opportunity for something to go

0:34:43.520 --> 0:34:46.160
<v Speaker 1>really right. And what I find is that a lot

0:34:46.200 --> 0:34:49.080
<v Speaker 1>of the CEOs or really successful entrepreneurs that I work

0:34:49.160 --> 0:34:52.680
<v Speaker 1>with had their first childhood disruption between the ages of

0:34:52.760 --> 0:34:55.879
<v Speaker 1>five and seven, where the vice and the virtue are

0:34:56.120 --> 0:35:01.359
<v Speaker 1>inferiority or industry and industry meaning hard works of being industrious.

0:35:01.840 --> 0:35:03.799
<v Speaker 1>So that means if you did have a trauma at

0:35:03.800 --> 0:35:06.279
<v Speaker 1>that age, then you could either spend the rest of

0:35:06.320 --> 0:35:10.279
<v Speaker 1>your life feeling inferior and undeserving, or you could say,

0:35:10.320 --> 0:35:12.640
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to work so hard, I'm going to get

0:35:12.640 --> 0:35:15.359
<v Speaker 1>myself out of this situation of poverty forever. I'm going

0:35:15.400 --> 0:35:18.480
<v Speaker 1>to be self sufficient. I'm going to be financially independent,

0:35:19.239 --> 0:35:22.480
<v Speaker 1>you know. And there's several other trust, mistrust, and you know,

0:35:22.560 --> 0:35:25.040
<v Speaker 1>other kind of vices and virtues that people can look up.

0:35:25.080 --> 0:35:26.239
<v Speaker 1>It's all on the internet.

0:35:26.440 --> 0:35:30.080
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that kind of opening of the idea that you

0:35:30.160 --> 0:35:32.359
<v Speaker 2>went through this, but it could also be an opportunity

0:35:32.560 --> 0:35:36.919
<v Speaker 2>of this impediment could also be an invitation. Like that

0:35:37.040 --> 0:35:40.520
<v Speaker 2>kind of understanding I find to be really powerful, and

0:35:40.520 --> 0:35:42.560
<v Speaker 2>I would agree with you. I think the most purposeful

0:35:42.560 --> 0:35:45.680
<v Speaker 2>people I've met are people who went through a pain

0:35:45.760 --> 0:35:48.480
<v Speaker 2>point and now they don't want other people to go

0:35:48.600 --> 0:35:51.239
<v Speaker 2>through that pain, or they want to help people through

0:35:51.280 --> 0:35:55.000
<v Speaker 2>that pain, and that's what created their ability to do that,

0:35:55.040 --> 0:35:57.279
<v Speaker 2>whereas someone else who may not have had that pain

0:35:57.440 --> 0:36:00.840
<v Speaker 2>or may not have had that challenge almost can it

0:36:00.920 --> 0:36:03.640
<v Speaker 2>sometimes feel less clear or a bit more lost because

0:36:03.960 --> 0:36:06.640
<v Speaker 2>they don't know what the meaning of their life is

0:36:06.920 --> 0:36:07.880
<v Speaker 2>or where they stand.

0:36:08.120 --> 0:36:10.040
<v Speaker 1>Well, I think what often happens with those people is

0:36:10.080 --> 0:36:13.280
<v Speaker 1>that you know, life's just okay, life's fine, you're married,

0:36:13.400 --> 0:36:16.600
<v Speaker 1>you know, your kids are healthy, You're going to this,

0:36:17.239 --> 0:36:21.319
<v Speaker 1>you know, sort of regular day job, and you've kind

0:36:21.360 --> 0:36:23.479
<v Speaker 1>of forgotten what you dreamed of when you were a child,

0:36:23.600 --> 0:36:26.200
<v Speaker 1>what you're you know, maybe you've just given up your

0:36:26.239 --> 0:36:29.640
<v Speaker 1>real passion because it's fine to have this kind of

0:36:29.719 --> 0:36:33.520
<v Speaker 1>quite easy life. And often it does take a later

0:36:33.640 --> 0:36:37.759
<v Speaker 1>disruption like a divorce or a bereavement to really make

0:36:37.800 --> 0:36:40.800
<v Speaker 1>people rethink that. And so, you know, a big example

0:36:40.800 --> 0:36:43.080
<v Speaker 1>that affected a lot of people is a financial crisis.

0:36:43.080 --> 0:36:46.280
<v Speaker 1>So a lot of people in financial services lost their jobs.

0:36:46.840 --> 0:36:49.080
<v Speaker 1>And then said, actually, I always wanted to be a

0:36:49.080 --> 0:36:52.440
<v Speaker 1>teacher or a journalist, but I also wanted a more

0:36:52.440 --> 0:36:56.160
<v Speaker 1>expensive lifestyle, so I didn't make that choice, and now

0:36:56.440 --> 0:36:58.359
<v Speaker 1>I have the opportunity to do what I really want

0:36:58.400 --> 0:37:00.840
<v Speaker 1>to do. So I guess it depends on how you

0:37:00.880 --> 0:37:04.640
<v Speaker 1>define wealth, because wealth can be having a lot of money,

0:37:04.640 --> 0:37:07.400
<v Speaker 1>but it can also be waking up every day and

0:37:07.440 --> 0:37:07.839
<v Speaker 1>doing what.

0:37:07.719 --> 0:37:09.759
<v Speaker 2>You love, yeah, or having a lot of free time,

0:37:10.480 --> 0:37:13.160
<v Speaker 2>or whatever it may be. When people are trying I

0:37:13.160 --> 0:37:15.400
<v Speaker 2>feel like we live in a time right now where

0:37:15.960 --> 0:37:17.719
<v Speaker 2>and you alluded to this earlier, and I'm kind of

0:37:17.760 --> 0:37:20.360
<v Speaker 2>going back to it. We live at a time where

0:37:21.040 --> 0:37:25.680
<v Speaker 2>there's a lot of projected goals and expectations, and a

0:37:25.680 --> 0:37:29.080
<v Speaker 2>lot of people can feel like they're so far away

0:37:29.080 --> 0:37:32.080
<v Speaker 2>from their own goals because there's goals from other people

0:37:32.080 --> 0:37:35.120
<v Speaker 2>around them. Now. My mentor I'm still good friends with them,

0:37:35.200 --> 0:37:38.080
<v Speaker 2>knew me very well, and so he wasn't projecting his

0:37:38.280 --> 0:37:41.360
<v Speaker 2>entrepreneurial thing. He was seeing something that I couldn't. But

0:37:41.440 --> 0:37:43.880
<v Speaker 2>a lot of the times, there's like society like, oh,

0:37:43.960 --> 0:37:46.560
<v Speaker 2>let's live in hustle culture. Everyone needs to be an entrepreneur,

0:37:46.800 --> 0:37:48.880
<v Speaker 2>everyone needs to be a CEO, everyone needs to like

0:37:48.920 --> 0:37:52.520
<v Speaker 2>there's a lot of performance culture out there, in productivity culture,

0:37:53.239 --> 0:37:57.680
<v Speaker 2>and I find that a lot of people either struggle

0:37:57.800 --> 0:38:01.799
<v Speaker 2>with that weight of that expectation or they actually curl

0:38:01.880 --> 0:38:03.320
<v Speaker 2>up into a ball and kind of don't want to

0:38:03.360 --> 0:38:06.080
<v Speaker 2>go anywhere and do anything, and it makes them hide

0:38:06.160 --> 0:38:08.600
<v Speaker 2>from that as well, because it's almost like everyone's just

0:38:08.680 --> 0:38:11.560
<v Speaker 2>pushing them to be more ambitious and be more driven.

0:38:12.280 --> 0:38:15.480
<v Speaker 2>At the same time, I would love to understand the

0:38:15.520 --> 0:38:19.040
<v Speaker 2>psychology of being needing to open up to more challenges

0:38:19.080 --> 0:38:21.680
<v Speaker 2>and more opportunities as just a healthy way of living.

0:38:21.880 --> 0:38:25.440
<v Speaker 2>So if someone's stuck in that space of you know,

0:38:25.520 --> 0:38:27.640
<v Speaker 2>Tara and Jay, I'm just you know, I'm kind of

0:38:27.680 --> 0:38:31.640
<v Speaker 2>stuck because I do want more. I'm trying to get

0:38:31.680 --> 0:38:34.040
<v Speaker 2>there that I believe I deserve it, but then I

0:38:34.080 --> 0:38:35.920
<v Speaker 2>don't know if that's what I really want, or if

0:38:35.920 --> 0:38:37.879
<v Speaker 2>it's what my parents want, or what social media wants

0:38:37.920 --> 0:38:39.600
<v Speaker 2>me to want, or what my friends are doing.

0:38:40.520 --> 0:38:42.160
<v Speaker 1>I just want to go back to something because I

0:38:42.200 --> 0:38:45.239
<v Speaker 1>only actually twigged when you said, Tara and Jay that

0:38:45.320 --> 0:38:47.920
<v Speaker 1>my brother's name is Jay. Oh no way, yeah, And

0:38:48.520 --> 0:38:50.560
<v Speaker 1>I didn't put it together like that. And I wanted

0:38:50.560 --> 0:38:52.200
<v Speaker 1>to say something that he said to me when I

0:38:52.280 --> 0:38:54.879
<v Speaker 1>changed career and I was like in my mid thirties seven.

0:38:55.560 --> 0:38:57.640
<v Speaker 1>He said the best time to plant an acorn was

0:38:57.640 --> 0:39:00.320
<v Speaker 1>two hundred years ago, but the second best time is now.

0:39:00.680 --> 0:39:02.520
<v Speaker 1>So for anyone that's saying it's too late, you know,

0:39:02.560 --> 0:39:05.320
<v Speaker 1>I regret things. I think that's a really amazing saying.

0:39:06.000 --> 0:39:10.400
<v Speaker 1>And then before you started really like posing your question

0:39:10.560 --> 0:39:12.319
<v Speaker 1>and I understood like where you were going with it,

0:39:13.080 --> 0:39:15.920
<v Speaker 1>I thought, oh, I wanted to tell you about at

0:39:15.960 --> 0:39:18.080
<v Speaker 1>the start of the pandemic. When I said, I sort

0:39:18.120 --> 0:39:20.279
<v Speaker 1>of like saw that, I thought there could be a

0:39:20.320 --> 0:39:24.319
<v Speaker 1>really big mental health crisis. Quite quickly, I would say,

0:39:24.320 --> 0:39:26.440
<v Speaker 1>within like a month or two. I thought this is

0:39:26.480 --> 0:39:30.480
<v Speaker 1>also an opportunity for a spiritual revolution or evolution. And

0:39:30.560 --> 0:39:33.719
<v Speaker 1>so in all the research I've done since kind of

0:39:33.760 --> 0:39:36.480
<v Speaker 1>the end of the pandemic, at the official end, I

0:39:36.480 --> 0:39:41.520
<v Speaker 1>guess which is more about ancient wisdom and neuroesthetics. I

0:39:41.640 --> 0:39:48.480
<v Speaker 1>believe that returning to ancient practices like chanting, humming, drumming, singing,

0:39:49.640 --> 0:39:54.600
<v Speaker 1>and neuroesthetics is neuro arts. It's the science of why

0:39:54.800 --> 0:39:58.080
<v Speaker 1>beauty and art and creativity and nature are so healthy

0:39:58.120 --> 0:40:02.000
<v Speaker 1>for us. So if you yourself in nature, if you

0:40:02.120 --> 0:40:06.320
<v Speaker 1>spend time making or beholding creative things like either singing

0:40:06.440 --> 0:40:10.360
<v Speaker 1>or going to listen to a concert, or sketching or

0:40:10.400 --> 0:40:15.040
<v Speaker 1>going to an art gallery, etc. That actually opens up

0:40:15.080 --> 0:40:16.840
<v Speaker 1>your mind in a way that the modern world and

0:40:16.880 --> 0:40:19.680
<v Speaker 1>all that noise around you that you've just described doesn't

0:40:19.760 --> 0:40:24.440
<v Speaker 1>let us. So that allows a level of introspection. And

0:40:24.520 --> 0:40:26.520
<v Speaker 1>there's so many other things in that category that you

0:40:26.520 --> 0:40:29.000
<v Speaker 1>know one can do, but that really helps you to

0:40:29.040 --> 0:40:33.480
<v Speaker 1>separate your inner voice from all the words around you

0:40:33.520 --> 0:40:35.040
<v Speaker 1>that are telling you what you should do. And I

0:40:35.080 --> 0:40:37.839
<v Speaker 1>also always say there's a certain age, and it could

0:40:37.840 --> 0:40:40.280
<v Speaker 1>be different for different people, whether there's no more should

0:40:41.080 --> 0:40:43.279
<v Speaker 1>you know you've got to an age now where what

0:40:43.320 --> 0:40:45.640
<v Speaker 1>your parents should said you should do, or you think

0:40:45.680 --> 0:40:47.239
<v Speaker 1>you should do, what your friends are doing is not

0:40:47.560 --> 0:40:51.000
<v Speaker 1>It cannot be applicable forever because that is probably the

0:40:51.040 --> 0:40:53.400
<v Speaker 1>one thing you'll regret on your death bed, right.

0:40:53.280 --> 0:40:53.440
<v Speaker 2>So.

0:40:54.920 --> 0:40:57.040
<v Speaker 1>Taking that time. But it is so hard because you know,

0:40:57.040 --> 0:40:58.960
<v Speaker 1>I still hear people saying, oh, I go for my

0:40:59.040 --> 0:41:01.200
<v Speaker 1>nature walk, but I listen to podcast at the same time.

0:41:01.400 --> 0:41:05.200
<v Speaker 1>That's not giving you time for introspection. And I'm sure

0:41:05.239 --> 0:41:07.440
<v Speaker 1>you're one of the few people that will agree with

0:41:07.440 --> 0:41:11.000
<v Speaker 1>me that we aren't doing it like enough or any being.

0:41:11.040 --> 0:41:14.040
<v Speaker 1>We're just always doing I often say to people, when

0:41:14.080 --> 0:41:16.520
<v Speaker 1>do you sit down and actually do nothing? And I

0:41:16.560 --> 0:41:19.640
<v Speaker 1>think that people maybe not if they know me well,

0:41:19.680 --> 0:41:22.360
<v Speaker 1>but if they look at my career, would say she

0:41:23.360 --> 0:41:25.640
<v Speaker 1>probably never sits down and does nothing. I do a

0:41:25.680 --> 0:41:30.280
<v Speaker 1>lot of sitting down and doing nothing. We do, I think,

0:41:30.440 --> 0:41:34.680
<v Speaker 1>you know, to access yourself nature is a massive mirror

0:41:34.680 --> 0:41:36.360
<v Speaker 1>for us, so time and nature, you know, and the

0:41:36.400 --> 0:41:38.239
<v Speaker 1>science for that in the last few years has just

0:41:38.360 --> 0:41:43.439
<v Speaker 1>rocketed interestingly. At the same time, the science around having

0:41:43.480 --> 0:41:47.640
<v Speaker 1>a purpose that transcends yourself, so not one that earns

0:41:47.680 --> 0:41:49.239
<v Speaker 1>the money that you need to just live your life,

0:41:49.280 --> 0:41:52.440
<v Speaker 1>not even one that just makes you happy and satisfied

0:41:52.440 --> 0:41:56.160
<v Speaker 1>in yourself, but one that is more altruistic is actually

0:41:56.280 --> 0:42:01.320
<v Speaker 1>very expanding for our consciousness. And I think that's probably

0:42:01.400 --> 0:42:04.560
<v Speaker 1>what we're really getting at a conversation that I don't

0:42:04.560 --> 0:42:06.279
<v Speaker 1>have with many people, but I feel like I could

0:42:06.280 --> 0:42:08.640
<v Speaker 1>have with you, which is that we need to sort

0:42:08.680 --> 0:42:11.920
<v Speaker 1>of be able to access altered states of consciousness to

0:42:12.040 --> 0:42:15.160
<v Speaker 1>really understand what our soul's purpose is in this life.

0:42:15.760 --> 0:42:18.920
<v Speaker 1>And breath work is a great way of doing that too. Obviously,

0:42:19.600 --> 0:42:21.680
<v Speaker 1>there's a popular sort of trend at the moment for

0:42:21.760 --> 0:42:25.440
<v Speaker 1>plant medicine, and you know, I'm watching the research on

0:42:25.480 --> 0:42:27.920
<v Speaker 1>that at Johns Hopkins really carefully, and there's a lot

0:42:27.920 --> 0:42:30.040
<v Speaker 1>of positive stuff around it, But what I'd really like

0:42:30.080 --> 0:42:32.759
<v Speaker 1>to say to people is it's nothing that you can't

0:42:32.800 --> 0:42:37.200
<v Speaker 1>achieve through time and nature, breath work, meditation, nourishing your

0:42:37.200 --> 0:42:41.279
<v Speaker 1>body with really healthy food, sleeping really well, and crucially

0:42:41.840 --> 0:42:45.279
<v Speaker 1>having that really like positive, meaningful community around you.

0:42:46.160 --> 0:42:49.080
<v Speaker 2>What's your understanding so far about the soul's purpose of

0:42:49.120 --> 0:42:52.840
<v Speaker 2>what you've been able to discover and cover on this journey.

0:42:52.960 --> 0:42:55.840
<v Speaker 1>I did do some research into near death experiences and

0:42:55.960 --> 0:43:00.560
<v Speaker 1>terminal lucidity and dark retreats. The original scientific intro that

0:43:00.760 --> 0:43:03.880
<v Speaker 1>was to understand the nature of consciousness more in terms

0:43:03.920 --> 0:43:06.560
<v Speaker 1>of how separate it can be from the body. So

0:43:06.719 --> 0:43:09.160
<v Speaker 1>if we look at the research or near death experiences,

0:43:09.200 --> 0:43:13.160
<v Speaker 1>then we see that people who had the physical signs,

0:43:13.280 --> 0:43:15.160
<v Speaker 1>as a medical doctor, I would say they were dead.

0:43:15.480 --> 0:43:17.839
<v Speaker 1>So whether it was the amount of time that your

0:43:17.880 --> 0:43:21.320
<v Speaker 1>heart had stop beating or your brain waves had gone flat,

0:43:21.840 --> 0:43:25.719
<v Speaker 1>have then somehow which we can't explain, been able to

0:43:26.200 --> 0:43:29.960
<v Speaker 1>become conscious in that body again and describe an experience

0:43:30.040 --> 0:43:34.200
<v Speaker 1>that they've had whilst seemingly not in their body. What's

0:43:34.239 --> 0:43:36.759
<v Speaker 1>really interesting about that research is you don't have to

0:43:36.800 --> 0:43:39.200
<v Speaker 1>have had that experience yourself, because people will say, well,

0:43:39.600 --> 0:43:41.520
<v Speaker 1>you know, Okay, that's great for those people if it

0:43:41.560 --> 0:43:43.960
<v Speaker 1>made them understand their soul's purpose. But we can't all

0:43:44.040 --> 0:43:46.200
<v Speaker 1>have that, although you actually can if you go and

0:43:46.239 --> 0:43:48.279
<v Speaker 1>do a dark retreat, which is why I then listen

0:43:48.360 --> 0:43:51.759
<v Speaker 1>to those And you know, in the ancient cultures like

0:43:51.800 --> 0:43:54.000
<v Speaker 1>the Greeks and Egyptians, they used to bury people for

0:43:54.160 --> 0:43:58.839
<v Speaker 1>days to mimic death, and then when they uncovered them,

0:43:58.880 --> 0:44:00.920
<v Speaker 1>they were the people that became like the mystics and

0:44:00.960 --> 0:44:04.520
<v Speaker 1>the seers of those communities. So again, just things that

0:44:04.560 --> 0:44:08.280
<v Speaker 1>we've forgotten. But if you you know, there's an amazing

0:44:08.280 --> 0:44:11.680
<v Speaker 1>book called After by doctor Bruce Grayson, or if you

0:44:11.760 --> 0:44:14.439
<v Speaker 1>just like look into the research around near death experiences.

0:44:15.280 --> 0:44:19.120
<v Speaker 1>Most common themes that people say are I feel more compassionate,

0:44:19.160 --> 0:44:23.399
<v Speaker 1>I feel more connected, I feel more grateful, I want

0:44:23.440 --> 0:44:26.799
<v Speaker 1>to do things to help people, and I just see

0:44:26.840 --> 0:44:29.759
<v Speaker 1>beauty like in everything that's around me. And that's supported

0:44:29.800 --> 0:44:32.359
<v Speaker 1>by the modern science of neuro aesthetics. We can all

0:44:32.440 --> 0:44:34.120
<v Speaker 1>choose to do that. You know, we don't have to

0:44:34.120 --> 0:44:36.479
<v Speaker 1>have a near death experience to do that. If we're

0:44:36.520 --> 0:44:39.440
<v Speaker 1>living more like that for them, I think we get

0:44:39.480 --> 0:44:42.680
<v Speaker 1>a greater clarity around the reason that we were put

0:44:42.719 --> 0:44:44.920
<v Speaker 1>on this earth. I mean, I think the biggest blessing

0:44:44.960 --> 0:44:46.560
<v Speaker 1>any of us could have is to wake up one

0:44:46.640 --> 0:44:48.799
<v Speaker 1>day and think, I know why I was put onto

0:44:48.800 --> 0:44:50.360
<v Speaker 1>this earth. I know what I need to be doing.

0:44:50.760 --> 0:44:53.560
<v Speaker 1>And it's not always going to be necessarily the thing

0:44:53.560 --> 0:44:56.000
<v Speaker 1>that just gives you personal satisfaction. You know, it could

0:44:56.040 --> 0:44:58.520
<v Speaker 1>be your calling, could be something quite different to that.

0:44:59.360 --> 0:45:02.520
<v Speaker 1>Terminal loose is super super interesting as a I mean,

0:45:02.560 --> 0:45:05.400
<v Speaker 1>I did my PhD in neuroscience because I thought I

0:45:05.440 --> 0:45:08.280
<v Speaker 1>wanted to become a neurologist, but then I became a psychiatrist,

0:45:08.719 --> 0:45:11.080
<v Speaker 1>which is also super fascinating in terms of things like

0:45:11.440 --> 0:45:13.239
<v Speaker 1>you can hear voices that aren't there, and you know

0:45:13.280 --> 0:45:15.760
<v Speaker 1>your mood can change like you know, not in your control.

0:45:16.360 --> 0:45:20.080
<v Speaker 1>But interminal lucidity is when people who either have had

0:45:20.120 --> 0:45:22.719
<v Speaker 1>dementia for a significant period of time or have had

0:45:22.719 --> 0:45:25.799
<v Speaker 1>a stroke and so parts of their brain are physically

0:45:25.840 --> 0:45:30.160
<v Speaker 1>altered or damaged chemically or physically, and they have lost

0:45:31.239 --> 0:45:34.920
<v Speaker 1>the personality and level of consciousness that their closest friends

0:45:34.920 --> 0:45:39.200
<v Speaker 1>and family knew in them can suddenly become completely lucid.

0:45:39.440 --> 0:45:42.480
<v Speaker 1>So we've got stories of you know, parents who no

0:45:42.560 --> 0:45:46.600
<v Speaker 1>longer recognize their children and their grandchildren just suddenly saying

0:45:46.680 --> 0:45:49.560
<v Speaker 1>one day, oh, Jay darling, come here, I want to, like,

0:45:49.640 --> 0:45:52.800
<v Speaker 1>you know, give you a motherly message. And it's usually

0:45:52.800 --> 0:45:54.759
<v Speaker 1>a sign that they will pass away within one to

0:45:54.800 --> 0:46:00.480
<v Speaker 1>twenty four hours. But there's no physical explanation how they

0:46:00.480 --> 0:46:04.480
<v Speaker 1>could know the names and react in a completely maternal

0:46:04.560 --> 0:46:08.480
<v Speaker 1>or paternal way towards an adult child that they didn't

0:46:08.520 --> 0:46:12.000
<v Speaker 1>recognize for several years. So that starts to make you think,

0:46:12.040 --> 0:46:14.759
<v Speaker 1>are we actually that connected to our body? And if

0:46:14.760 --> 0:46:17.920
<v Speaker 1>we're not, what does that mean? And I don't have

0:46:18.000 --> 0:46:19.120
<v Speaker 1>all the answers.

0:46:18.760 --> 0:46:22.080
<v Speaker 2>But fascinating. Yeah, no, sorry, I could carry out.

0:46:21.920 --> 0:46:23.439
<v Speaker 1>Well I I was just going to say. It makes

0:46:23.440 --> 0:46:27.759
<v Speaker 1>you think that what happens in this life and in

0:46:27.800 --> 0:46:31.920
<v Speaker 1>this physical world and on this material plane can't be

0:46:32.080 --> 0:46:33.680
<v Speaker 1>the be all and end all of everything. And if

0:46:33.719 --> 0:46:35.600
<v Speaker 1>it's not, what does that mean about how I want

0:46:35.600 --> 0:46:38.560
<v Speaker 1>to live? And to me, that brings me back to

0:46:39.400 --> 0:46:41.160
<v Speaker 1>I want to live a life that's guided by love.

0:46:41.480 --> 0:46:44.080
<v Speaker 1>And you know, I don't mean romantic love by that necessarily,

0:46:44.120 --> 0:46:47.000
<v Speaker 1>although that could be included. If I've got a dilemma,

0:46:47.040 --> 0:46:49.520
<v Speaker 1>if I've got a difficult decision to make, if I'm

0:46:49.520 --> 0:46:52.840
<v Speaker 1>feeling like I'm in a really challenging situation, then I

0:46:52.920 --> 0:46:56.439
<v Speaker 1>always go back to love and gratitude, and I've now

0:46:56.440 --> 0:46:59.600
<v Speaker 1>included observing beauty as part of that too, because what

0:46:59.640 --> 0:47:02.840
<v Speaker 1>they're all doing is moving us into the oxytocin state,

0:47:02.960 --> 0:47:06.080
<v Speaker 1>which is our highest state and really the only state

0:47:06.080 --> 0:47:08.919
<v Speaker 1>from which we can live our best life. So it's

0:47:08.960 --> 0:47:11.640
<v Speaker 1>really about doing everything that you can to move yourself

0:47:11.680 --> 0:47:16.799
<v Speaker 1>away from stress and towards love, and overly listening to

0:47:16.800 --> 0:47:20.960
<v Speaker 1>that chatter around you is pretty much going to do

0:47:21.000 --> 0:47:23.840
<v Speaker 1>the opposite. So it is a little bit about liberating

0:47:23.840 --> 0:47:26.239
<v Speaker 1>ourselves from that, I think, at least for moments.

0:47:26.640 --> 0:47:28.640
<v Speaker 2>When you talked about spending time in nature, you talked

0:47:28.640 --> 0:47:32.520
<v Speaker 2>about chanting, you talked about humming, you talked about the

0:47:32.640 --> 0:47:36.040
<v Speaker 2>art class, the kind of more analogue tasks as well.

0:47:36.360 --> 0:47:39.560
<v Speaker 2>What do those tasks have in common from what's happening

0:47:40.880 --> 0:47:44.280
<v Speaker 2>scientifically inside of us, like biologically, like chemically, what's happening

0:47:45.400 --> 0:47:47.320
<v Speaker 2>that's similar across those or is it different?

0:47:47.520 --> 0:47:49.160
<v Speaker 1>Well, you know, I have this thing about if I

0:47:49.200 --> 0:47:51.480
<v Speaker 1>don't know the exact answer, I always take it back

0:47:51.520 --> 0:47:55.000
<v Speaker 1>to evolution. Sure, So what we know about our ancestors

0:47:55.200 --> 0:47:58.400
<v Speaker 1>was that they had scarce resources, and it was all

0:47:58.400 --> 0:48:01.319
<v Speaker 1>about survival and reproduction. So in terms of like, what

0:48:01.440 --> 0:48:04.520
<v Speaker 1>was our live's purpose then it was literally live long

0:48:04.640 --> 0:48:07.040
<v Speaker 1>enough to have children and pass on your genes, and

0:48:07.080 --> 0:48:09.719
<v Speaker 1>then it didn't matter if you get got eaten by

0:48:09.760 --> 0:48:15.920
<v Speaker 1>a saber toothed tiger. But those same ancestors who naturally

0:48:15.960 --> 0:48:19.839
<v Speaker 1>in their life to survive, walked barefoot in nature, sat

0:48:19.880 --> 0:48:21.719
<v Speaker 1>around a fire at night, looked at the stars in

0:48:21.760 --> 0:48:27.279
<v Speaker 1>the sky at night, also chose with those scarce resources

0:48:27.800 --> 0:48:31.520
<v Speaker 1>to make cave paintings, to dance around that fire, to sing,

0:48:32.640 --> 0:48:36.760
<v Speaker 1>to hum, to drum, to chant. And we don't know why,

0:48:37.080 --> 0:48:40.160
<v Speaker 1>but the only conclusion that we can draw is that

0:48:40.239 --> 0:48:43.640
<v Speaker 1>there was a benefit to a survival benefit. And what

0:48:43.760 --> 0:48:46.759
<v Speaker 1>we know now is and again, some of these activities

0:48:46.760 --> 0:48:50.279
<v Speaker 1>are luxuries. I completely get that. But when we make

0:48:50.400 --> 0:48:54.719
<v Speaker 1>or behold any of those activities that we in the

0:48:54.719 --> 0:48:58.640
<v Speaker 1>brain becomes more hyper connected. We get The benefit of

0:48:58.960 --> 0:49:04.319
<v Speaker 1>novel experience is we open up more connections in the

0:49:04.360 --> 0:49:06.719
<v Speaker 1>creative parts of our brain, which actually allow us to

0:49:06.719 --> 0:49:12.760
<v Speaker 1>solve complex problems better, to think more flexibly, to override

0:49:12.800 --> 0:49:16.120
<v Speaker 1>our biases, and regulate our emotions better, all of which

0:49:16.200 --> 0:49:20.680
<v Speaker 1>obviously you know, survival advantages because if you think about

0:49:21.440 --> 0:49:23.320
<v Speaker 1>just you know, on the very most basic level, the

0:49:23.360 --> 0:49:26.839
<v Speaker 1>implication of that in a relationship. You know, if we

0:49:26.840 --> 0:49:28.799
<v Speaker 1>were in a relationship and I was much more able

0:49:28.840 --> 0:49:32.120
<v Speaker 1>to regulate my emotions to solve problems with you, to

0:49:32.239 --> 0:49:34.960
<v Speaker 1>like overcome any biases that I might have about the

0:49:34.960 --> 0:49:37.600
<v Speaker 1>way that you're behaving, it's obviously the relationship is going

0:49:37.600 --> 0:49:40.440
<v Speaker 1>to survive better. And one of the pieces of research

0:49:40.480 --> 0:49:43.239
<v Speaker 1>I've really looked into from the neuro esthetics is called

0:49:43.360 --> 0:49:47.200
<v Speaker 1>shared trait vulnerability, and it's about the fact that people

0:49:47.239 --> 0:49:51.320
<v Speaker 1>with psychopathologies like schizophrenia also tend to be more creative

0:49:51.440 --> 0:49:56.160
<v Speaker 1>than the general population. So if you think about some

0:49:56.280 --> 0:50:00.520
<v Speaker 1>of the symptoms of psychotic illnesses, it includes things like

0:50:01.080 --> 0:50:04.920
<v Speaker 1>magical thinking or to states of consciousness, you know, perhaps

0:50:05.480 --> 0:50:09.000
<v Speaker 1>access to I want to put this really carefully, you know,

0:50:09.280 --> 0:50:13.120
<v Speaker 1>sort of data and signs that we are choosing to

0:50:13.160 --> 0:50:15.600
<v Speaker 1>ignore in the real world because our brain is filtering

0:50:16.480 --> 0:50:19.360
<v Speaker 1>out information to help us survive, you know, as people

0:50:19.400 --> 0:50:26.000
<v Speaker 1>who don't have a mental health issue. So one hypothesis

0:50:26.000 --> 0:50:28.319
<v Speaker 1>could be that you could use creativity and all of

0:50:28.320 --> 0:50:33.080
<v Speaker 1>those things are creative things to open up more of

0:50:33.080 --> 0:50:36.719
<v Speaker 1>your consciousness. And if you have a high IQ and

0:50:36.719 --> 0:50:40.400
<v Speaker 1>you're mentally resilient, but you can also do that. I

0:50:40.560 --> 0:50:43.239
<v Speaker 1>just think it's so exciting to think about what we

0:50:43.280 --> 0:50:46.000
<v Speaker 1>could do with our minds that again, it is probably

0:50:46.040 --> 0:50:48.279
<v Speaker 1>stuff that we knew that we've forgotten, but in our

0:50:48.320 --> 0:50:51.320
<v Speaker 1>lifetimes or in the modern world, we haven't been practicing.

0:50:51.800 --> 0:50:55.560
<v Speaker 1>And that is also one of the hypotheses that comes

0:50:55.600 --> 0:50:57.960
<v Speaker 1>out of the research or near death experiences, which is

0:50:58.000 --> 0:51:01.160
<v Speaker 1>that our brains are actually filtering down our minds rather

0:51:01.239 --> 0:51:01.960
<v Speaker 1>than the other way.

0:51:01.800 --> 0:51:03.840
<v Speaker 2>Around, filtering down our minds meanings.

0:51:03.880 --> 0:51:06.920
<v Speaker 1>So our consciousness is capable of a lot more than

0:51:07.000 --> 0:51:09.440
<v Speaker 1>what our brain allows us to do to survive in

0:51:09.520 --> 0:51:10.640
<v Speaker 1>this material world.

0:51:11.040 --> 0:51:14.759
<v Speaker 2>And would the brain ever allow for more or is

0:51:14.800 --> 0:51:18.840
<v Speaker 2>it just so against survival that we couldn't experience it here?

0:51:18.920 --> 0:51:21.640
<v Speaker 1>Well, the easiest way for me to demonstrate that to

0:51:21.680 --> 0:51:23.600
<v Speaker 1>you is it it allows for more when you take

0:51:23.640 --> 0:51:27.000
<v Speaker 1>psychedelic or plant medication right right, And we know that

0:51:27.239 --> 0:51:30.240
<v Speaker 1>a lot of like create. Our breathwork, for example, allows

0:51:30.280 --> 0:51:33.160
<v Speaker 1>some altered states of consciousness, and so does other breath work.

0:51:33.640 --> 0:51:37.680
<v Speaker 1>Time and nature alone can allow some aughtered states of

0:51:37.719 --> 0:51:42.080
<v Speaker 1>consciousness or expansion of our consciousness, so clearly it can,

0:51:42.640 --> 0:51:44.680
<v Speaker 1>and I don't know if we're afraid of it, or

0:51:44.719 --> 0:51:48.759
<v Speaker 1>you know, there's some kind of survival or societal mechanism

0:51:48.800 --> 0:51:51.120
<v Speaker 1>that prevents it. I mean, if you think about the

0:51:51.239 --> 0:51:54.840
<v Speaker 1>tides in interest in psychedelics and how it's been shut

0:51:54.880 --> 0:51:57.880
<v Speaker 1>down every time, it does make you wonder about the

0:51:57.920 --> 0:52:00.080
<v Speaker 1>reasons for that. It's so interesting to be in one

0:52:00.120 --> 0:52:02.040
<v Speaker 1>of these rising tides at the moment and see what

0:52:02.160 --> 0:52:02.880
<v Speaker 1>actually happens.

0:52:03.320 --> 0:52:06.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, for sure. Yeah, I mean I feel like, as

0:52:06.320 --> 0:52:09.360
<v Speaker 2>you referred to earlier, meditation has been such a powerful

0:52:10.080 --> 0:52:13.479
<v Speaker 2>form of reaching altered states of consciousness and breath work

0:52:13.520 --> 0:52:17.880
<v Speaker 2>you referred to nature for sure. I mean I've had

0:52:17.880 --> 0:52:20.880
<v Speaker 2>the fortune of spending some time in some special, special

0:52:20.880 --> 0:52:22.600
<v Speaker 2>places both in India and just this year I got

0:52:22.640 --> 0:52:23.719
<v Speaker 2>to go to Bhutan as well.

0:52:23.800 --> 0:52:24.400
<v Speaker 1>Oh wow.

0:52:24.640 --> 0:52:28.200
<v Speaker 2>And you know it was definitely went to places that

0:52:29.080 --> 0:52:31.960
<v Speaker 2>I felt they were it almost felt like there were

0:52:31.960 --> 0:52:35.480
<v Speaker 2>places in the material world that were already in different realms,

0:52:36.000 --> 0:52:38.920
<v Speaker 2>Like it almost felt that way around. Does that make sense? Yeah,

0:52:38.960 --> 0:52:41.440
<v Speaker 2>Like places I went to in South India, I definitely

0:52:41.520 --> 0:52:44.440
<v Speaker 2>felt that because some of these temples are like thousands

0:52:44.440 --> 0:52:47.560
<v Speaker 2>and thousands of years old, and they were built with that.

0:52:48.080 --> 0:52:49.920
<v Speaker 2>I mean they're built with that kind of like Vedic

0:52:50.400 --> 0:52:53.920
<v Speaker 2>mathematics and just the way they're the architecture and everything,

0:52:54.000 --> 0:52:57.759
<v Speaker 2>kind of how we marvel at the Pyramids, the Mayan Ruine, Yeah,

0:52:57.760 --> 0:53:00.120
<v Speaker 2>the Mayan Route, it's that kind of those those I

0:53:00.120 --> 0:53:02.640
<v Speaker 2>saw those temples in South India, which I guess have

0:53:02.719 --> 0:53:05.359
<v Speaker 2>less publicity in PR but when I went there, I

0:53:05.360 --> 0:53:08.200
<v Speaker 2>was like, Wow, this is just you know, there's this

0:53:08.400 --> 0:53:13.560
<v Speaker 2>I remember this one kind of hallway and it's almost

0:53:14.000 --> 0:53:15.799
<v Speaker 2>I forget the exact name they've given it, but it

0:53:15.840 --> 0:53:19.080
<v Speaker 2>almost feels like a portal. And it's just pillars and

0:53:19.120 --> 0:53:21.800
<v Speaker 2>pillars and pillars for so long, but it almost is

0:53:21.840 --> 0:53:24.840
<v Speaker 2>seen as this transitionary portal. And so you kind of

0:53:24.880 --> 0:53:28.160
<v Speaker 2>find these places in the world that have other worldly,

0:53:29.000 --> 0:53:32.600
<v Speaker 2>other realm aspects that you almost feel like an automatic

0:53:32.760 --> 0:53:36.080
<v Speaker 2>sense of connection to a part of you that's beyond.

0:53:36.960 --> 0:53:42.200
<v Speaker 2>And having had those experiences, it's amazing to me as

0:53:42.239 --> 0:53:45.320
<v Speaker 2>well so many of my friends who've taken psychedelics or

0:53:45.360 --> 0:53:48.120
<v Speaker 2>clients that have practiced, that no one ever comes back

0:53:48.160 --> 0:53:52.520
<v Speaker 2>and believes that this four dimensional world is all we have,

0:53:52.920 --> 0:53:56.600
<v Speaker 2>that that there is more. What's the benefit of that

0:53:56.719 --> 0:53:58.880
<v Speaker 2>or what is what do you believe Do you believe

0:53:58.920 --> 0:54:03.000
<v Speaker 2>that's the next stage of human evolution? Is that spiritual dimension?

0:54:03.160 --> 0:54:07.080
<v Speaker 2>Or is that what we're leaning towards, hinting towards? Is

0:54:07.320 --> 0:54:08.560
<v Speaker 2>that how you say it progressing?

0:54:08.719 --> 0:54:10.520
<v Speaker 1>I mean, that's the feeling I got, you know, when

0:54:10.560 --> 0:54:15.800
<v Speaker 1>I thought that things were just going to go downhill

0:54:15.800 --> 0:54:18.080
<v Speaker 1>for humanity, I kind of quite quickly thought there's an

0:54:18.120 --> 0:54:22.440
<v Speaker 1>opportunity for it to like evolve to another level. And personally,

0:54:22.480 --> 0:54:24.719
<v Speaker 1>being a medical doctor and a scientist, I look at

0:54:24.719 --> 0:54:30.160
<v Speaker 1>people like Deepak Chopra, Daniel Siegel, Bruce Lipton, and you know,

0:54:30.200 --> 0:54:32.440
<v Speaker 1>because they're quite a lot older than me, I remember thinking,

0:54:32.520 --> 0:54:34.839
<v Speaker 1>you know, when I was still a doctor that how

0:54:34.840 --> 0:54:37.359
<v Speaker 1>could they be saying some of the things that they're saying,

0:54:37.360 --> 0:54:38.799
<v Speaker 1>And like, I don't think I would ever be able

0:54:38.840 --> 0:54:40.400
<v Speaker 1>to say that in my career. But I've just said

0:54:40.560 --> 0:54:41.880
<v Speaker 1>some of the things that I've just said to you,

0:54:42.080 --> 0:54:46.120
<v Speaker 1>and I just wanted to add that again in my research,

0:54:46.160 --> 0:54:48.560
<v Speaker 1>I completely agree with what you said about certain places.

0:54:48.960 --> 0:54:52.120
<v Speaker 1>But apparently there's three ways of seeing, like a thinning

0:54:52.120 --> 0:54:54.200
<v Speaker 1>of the veil, if you like, you know, let's say

0:54:54.200 --> 0:54:56.400
<v Speaker 1>we let's just hypothesize that we believe that there are

0:54:56.440 --> 0:54:59.760
<v Speaker 1>spiritual planes or astral planes. Have you seen that Disney

0:54:59.800 --> 0:55:02.640
<v Speaker 1>movie Cocoa, I've seen you haven't seen it.

0:55:02.800 --> 0:55:04.480
<v Speaker 2>I thought you're going to say, Soul, I've seen that,

0:55:04.520 --> 0:55:05.400
<v Speaker 2>but I've not seen Coco.

0:55:05.560 --> 0:55:08.239
<v Speaker 1>Coco is about the Mexican Day of the Dead, so

0:55:08.320 --> 0:55:10.640
<v Speaker 1>that's obviously an example of a time of year when

0:55:10.640 --> 0:55:13.920
<v Speaker 1>the veil is thin. But a lot of people around

0:55:13.960 --> 0:55:16.360
<v Speaker 1>the world believe that some of the places that you've described,

0:55:16.480 --> 0:55:19.799
<v Speaker 1>and Ibitha and Hawaii are vortex is where the veale

0:55:19.880 --> 0:55:22.760
<v Speaker 1>is thin and you can maybe like access a different

0:55:22.800 --> 0:55:26.640
<v Speaker 1>spiritual plain in yourself or you know, perhaps even more tangibly.

0:55:27.400 --> 0:55:30.080
<v Speaker 1>And then there are also certain people, so you know,

0:55:30.120 --> 0:55:33.120
<v Speaker 1>obvious examples of the Delai Lama, and I know people

0:55:33.160 --> 0:55:36.040
<v Speaker 1>who've been touched by him physically touched by him have

0:55:36.120 --> 0:55:39.680
<v Speaker 1>said that they saw the interconnectedness of everything and it

0:55:39.760 --> 0:55:42.160
<v Speaker 1>changed the way that they live their life. So I

0:55:42.239 --> 0:55:44.640
<v Speaker 1>think what you and I I really like saying here

0:55:44.719 --> 0:55:48.040
<v Speaker 1>is that there are certain things, activities that we can

0:55:48.080 --> 0:55:50.680
<v Speaker 1>indulge in that can change the way that you look

0:55:50.680 --> 0:55:53.319
<v Speaker 1>at life. And I mentioned dark retreats, which I don't

0:55:53.360 --> 0:55:54.880
<v Speaker 1>think a lot of people have heard of, but obviously

0:55:54.920 --> 0:55:56.919
<v Speaker 1>silent retreats are a way of doing that that more

0:55:56.960 --> 0:55:59.040
<v Speaker 1>people I think you know, have heard of.

0:55:59.560 --> 0:56:04.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, no, no, and dark retreats too. I think it's

0:56:04.680 --> 0:56:06.839
<v Speaker 2>interesting that all of it's trying to get us to

0:56:07.000 --> 0:56:10.000
<v Speaker 2>just be, like it all starts with this sense of

0:56:10.040 --> 0:56:12.840
<v Speaker 2>just being. But some of these activities I think for

0:56:12.920 --> 0:56:14.880
<v Speaker 2>a lot of people they seem so foreign, right, Like

0:56:15.400 --> 0:56:18.359
<v Speaker 2>I think dark retreats him foreign, silent retreats him far.

0:56:18.400 --> 0:56:22.120
<v Speaker 2>And obviously they're quite big differences to the way people live.

0:56:22.719 --> 0:56:25.480
<v Speaker 2>And even things like chanting and humming and being in

0:56:25.560 --> 0:56:28.960
<v Speaker 2>nature like those, I think coming from an Indian background,

0:56:29.080 --> 0:56:33.160
<v Speaker 2>like chanting is somewhat far more accessible or normal or

0:56:33.160 --> 0:56:35.120
<v Speaker 2>a practice that you grew up with, whereas in the

0:56:35.440 --> 0:56:38.480
<v Speaker 2>Western world that wouldn't necessarily have been in practice. What

0:56:38.640 --> 0:56:42.399
<v Speaker 2>has been the neurological impact of chanting. I'm intrigued by

0:56:42.400 --> 0:56:44.480
<v Speaker 2>that because that's always been something I've been fascinated by it.

0:56:44.560 --> 0:56:47.319
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so I will tell you that. But what I

0:56:47.360 --> 0:56:49.600
<v Speaker 1>do now, which is just much more accessible to people,

0:56:49.719 --> 0:56:52.279
<v Speaker 1>is I just listened to chanting on I found a

0:56:52.320 --> 0:56:53.799
<v Speaker 1>YouTube channel. I just listened to it. I have it

0:56:53.840 --> 0:56:57.000
<v Speaker 1>on in the background. I don't particularly chant myself now,

0:56:57.040 --> 0:57:00.520
<v Speaker 1>to be honest, but if you've got it on in

0:57:00.520 --> 0:57:03.680
<v Speaker 1>the background and it's creating a certain like vibration and

0:57:03.719 --> 0:57:06.680
<v Speaker 1>resonance just in your home, which just literally you know,

0:57:06.680 --> 0:57:09.000
<v Speaker 1>it's nothing magical. It's through sound waves is having an

0:57:09.000 --> 0:57:11.480
<v Speaker 1>impact on We see that sound can have an impact

0:57:11.560 --> 0:57:13.759
<v Speaker 1>on water, and we're mostly made up of water, so

0:57:14.239 --> 0:57:17.320
<v Speaker 1>it's having an impact on you and what we actually

0:57:17.560 --> 0:57:19.960
<v Speaker 1>what actually happens in your heart and your brain is

0:57:20.000 --> 0:57:24.280
<v Speaker 1>something called entrainment. So particularly in the research shows that

0:57:24.320 --> 0:57:27.520
<v Speaker 1>groups of people who are together, who are subjected to

0:57:27.680 --> 0:57:33.200
<v Speaker 1>either chanting or certain pulsations of light, that their heart

0:57:33.280 --> 0:57:36.760
<v Speaker 1>rates and their brain waves will synchronize, and this makes

0:57:36.800 --> 0:57:41.440
<v Speaker 1>them much more likely to cooperate, to see themselves as

0:57:41.480 --> 0:57:47.680
<v Speaker 1>not other, and basically to just be in that oxytocin

0:57:47.760 --> 0:57:49.320
<v Speaker 1>state of love and trust more.

0:57:49.200 --> 0:57:51.720
<v Speaker 2>Than well, I didn't know about the science behind that.

0:57:51.760 --> 0:57:54.720
<v Speaker 2>It's so funny because one of my teachers would always

0:57:54.760 --> 0:57:56.840
<v Speaker 2>tell us, so, if you have a conflict with anyone

0:57:56.840 --> 0:57:58.840
<v Speaker 2>in the monastery, you should dance and chant together.

0:57:59.080 --> 0:58:01.240
<v Speaker 1>Really that to where he would say, so your face

0:58:01.240 --> 0:58:01.840
<v Speaker 1>when you went.

0:58:03.320 --> 0:58:05.200
<v Speaker 2>He would always say that, and he would always tell

0:58:05.240 --> 0:58:07.400
<v Speaker 2>everyone that it's like if you're having a conflict with

0:58:07.440 --> 0:58:10.080
<v Speaker 2>another monk or someone in the monastery, or there's something

0:58:10.160 --> 0:58:12.600
<v Speaker 2>you should dance and chant together. And we'd always thought

0:58:12.600 --> 0:58:14.240
<v Speaker 2>it was like a nice cute thing, like we didn't,

0:58:14.240 --> 0:58:17.760
<v Speaker 2>you know, you don't realize just how much you've recognized

0:58:17.800 --> 0:58:20.120
<v Speaker 2>there's spiritual depth behind it. But to even hear the

0:58:20.160 --> 0:58:24.000
<v Speaker 2>idea that it's actually creating trust on a chemical level

0:58:24.680 --> 0:58:26.680
<v Speaker 2>is pretty far out, because well, it's.

0:58:26.520 --> 0:58:29.360
<v Speaker 1>Clearly creating coherence in terms of you wouldn't chant out

0:58:29.360 --> 0:58:31.280
<v Speaker 1>of tune with each other, which correct one of you

0:58:31.320 --> 0:58:33.720
<v Speaker 1>will kind of fallen, you know, or you both do it.

0:58:33.840 --> 0:58:37.440
<v Speaker 1>Same with the dancing, But once you're doing that, your

0:58:37.480 --> 0:58:41.960
<v Speaker 1>heart rate and your brain waves will change accordingly.

0:58:41.560 --> 0:58:45.200
<v Speaker 2>And that simple act of doing it, even subconsciously, is

0:58:45.240 --> 0:58:49.880
<v Speaker 2>going to bleed into when you're trying to consciously operate. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, that's fascinating from a romantic perspective too, I guess,

0:58:53.040 --> 0:58:57.120
<v Speaker 2>and from a relationship perspective of how often a couple

0:58:57.200 --> 0:58:59.919
<v Speaker 2>spending time together in nature, or how often a couple

0:59:00.480 --> 0:59:03.560
<v Speaker 2>spending time in the same frequency and vibration together. Is

0:59:03.560 --> 0:59:06.440
<v Speaker 2>there any research around that that suggests the same for

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<v Speaker 2>romantic love.

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<v Speaker 1>So those things I think are kind of given the

0:59:10.000 --> 0:59:13.440
<v Speaker 1>two examples that you've just stated, But we know that

0:59:14.160 --> 0:59:16.720
<v Speaker 1>now most of this research is done in vols little

0:59:16.920 --> 0:59:19.640
<v Speaker 1>they're quite cute, they're rodents, but they're quite cute. But

0:59:19.840 --> 0:59:22.720
<v Speaker 1>it's also been done in humans, which is, for example,

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<v Speaker 1>that if you see your partner in distress, your cortisol

0:59:26.520 --> 0:59:28.400
<v Speaker 1>levels will go up, your heart rate will go up,

0:59:28.440 --> 0:59:32.600
<v Speaker 1>you will start sweating curally. You will then seek to

0:59:32.640 --> 0:59:35.840
<v Speaker 1>move towards your partner and soothe them with physical touch.

0:59:36.440 --> 0:59:40.680
<v Speaker 1>We know that people who are in hospital in pain

0:59:41.560 --> 0:59:44.240
<v Speaker 1>that when their partner physically touches them, that their heart

0:59:44.320 --> 0:59:48.120
<v Speaker 1>rate decreases, their blood pressure decreases, and they are in

0:59:48.240 --> 0:59:51.960
<v Speaker 1>less pain. If the couple are you know, a really

0:59:52.120 --> 0:59:55.560
<v Speaker 1>well bonded couple. There's lots of bits of research around that.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's definitely both the fact that if you do

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<v Speaker 1>things together like time and nature or chanting or dancing,

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<v Speaker 1>that that will make you more coherent. It's also the

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<v Speaker 1>fact that when you see or experience lack of coherence

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<v Speaker 1>with you know, and especially the partner who's seeing the

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<v Speaker 1>other one kind of out of coherence, that there is

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<v Speaker 1>a move to go towards them and soothe them, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's and involves physical touch, which, like I said, can

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<v Speaker 1>reduce pain in your partner.

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<v Speaker 2>You kind of talked about these two ideas and even

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<v Speaker 2>what we're talking about now is this kind of spectrum

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<v Speaker 2>that exists between stress and love. And you were talking

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<v Speaker 2>about how, like, you know, you're trying to move towards

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<v Speaker 2>love in your life, and you said, not simply of

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<v Speaker 2>romantic love, just love as a force and as an

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<v Speaker 2>energy source. And you were saying that, you know, stress,

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<v Speaker 2>of course sits at the polar opposite of that, and

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<v Speaker 2>so much of our decisions today are based on stress naturally,

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<v Speaker 2>whether it's stress to pay the bills, stress to survive,

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<v Speaker 2>stress to take care of the people we love, stress

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<v Speaker 2>because someone we love has been diagnosed with the disease.

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<v Speaker 2>Like there's so much stress, and it's almost like, how

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<v Speaker 2>could you ever infuse love with that? What have you seen?

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<v Speaker 2>When is that even possible to measure what it's been

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<v Speaker 2>like to infuse stressful situations with love?

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<v Speaker 1>So I just want to go back and just like

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<v Speaker 1>clarify something. So the stress hormone cortisol correlates with five emotions,

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<v Speaker 1>which we will experience if we're under stress, so that's fear, anger, discust, shame,

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<v Speaker 1>and sadness. And then the bonding hormone oxytocin correlates with love, trust, joy,

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<v Speaker 1>and excitement. And in between those two is surprise, which

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<v Speaker 1>correlates with nora adrenaline, and it can flip people from

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<v Speaker 1>one side to the other quite quickly, so like you know,

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<v Speaker 1>sort of you know, when like someone jumps out at

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<v Speaker 1>you from behind the door. But the more positive side

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<v Speaker 1>of that is that if you know, you asked me

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<v Speaker 1>a really surprising question and it made me think really differently,

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<v Speaker 1>then it could make me stop being nervous and think,

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<v Speaker 1>oh wow, this is really interesting. I'm curious. That's you know,

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<v Speaker 1>go down this road. So the thing about those those

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<v Speaker 1>two ends of the spectrum is that they're like a

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<v Speaker 1>seesaurce so they can't coexist at the same time. So

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<v Speaker 1>the more you have trained your brain to go into

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<v Speaker 1>the oxytocin mode, the less of the time it can

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<v Speaker 1>possibly be in the stress mode. Physical exercise is something

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<v Speaker 1>that we see if we use heart rate variability technology

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<v Speaker 1>that after you've done physical exercise, there's a time period

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<v Speaker 1>where that you're actually in a non phase, but you

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<v Speaker 1>cannot be stressed, so there are things that we can do.

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<v Speaker 1>I know you're talking about really difficult situations for people,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, how do you infuse that with love? But

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<v Speaker 1>I wonder if that's bringing us back almost full circle

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<v Speaker 1>to manifestation and visualization, which is that with all the

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<v Speaker 1>forms of loss that I see people going through, loss

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<v Speaker 1>of sense of self, can't trust yourself, breakdown of relationships

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<v Speaker 1>at home, at work, in community, and even loss through death.

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<v Speaker 1>If we believe some of the things that you and

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<v Speaker 1>I have just spoken about from near death experiences in

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<v Speaker 1>terminal lucidity, then I think that's the reason that it's

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<v Speaker 1>important to expand your consciousness and have more spiritual beliefs,

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<v Speaker 1>because there is a choice there too, to make a

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<v Speaker 1>gift out of a really bad situation. I can completely

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<v Speaker 1>see why people's lives get ruined by a loss and

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<v Speaker 1>they feel regretful and bitter for the rest of their life.

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<v Speaker 1>But I also think that it's possible if you can

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<v Speaker 1>find some kind of legacy or learning or gift to

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<v Speaker 1>make something good come out of the bad thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. No, that reminds me of Edithigue's book The Gift

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<v Speaker 2>and the Work of Victor Frankcorn, Yeah, and that idea

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<v Speaker 2>of that future motion of how how does what I

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<v Speaker 2>do now, how will that make me feel in the future,

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<v Speaker 2>and who will I be able to help and serve

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<v Speaker 2>in the future even if I can't help anyone now.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think there's another point from both of them,

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<v Speaker 1>and also Nelson Mandela, which is about the mental prison

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<v Speaker 1>that we create. And you know, I know that Victor

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<v Speaker 1>Frankel spoke about that a lot, but I really love

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<v Speaker 1>the quote from Mandela where he says, I knew when

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<v Speaker 1>I walked away from prison that if I didn't let

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<v Speaker 1>go of my bitterness, I'd be in prison for the

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<v Speaker 1>rest of my life. And I find all of those

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<v Speaker 1>things really inspiring. And I've looked at a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>the science that we've discussed today to help myself understand

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<v Speaker 1>how you can possibly override that when there are so

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<v Speaker 1>many difficult things in life, and to try to bring

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<v Speaker 1>that information to people. And really, and I'm not just

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<v Speaker 1>saying this, That's why I was so thrilled when you

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<v Speaker 1>invited me to come onto a podcast, because I think,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, you've just got such an amazing platform, and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just so grateful to you for letting me, like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, share some of my findings.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm so tight that the feeling is very mutual. I

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<v Speaker 2>was so excited to have a platform that I could

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<v Speaker 2>have this conversation with you, and that you agreed to it.

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<v Speaker 2>And I want to make sure, out of just my

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<v Speaker 2>expect for your work, that you feel you're being able

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<v Speaker 2>to touch on the things that you really deeply believe

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<v Speaker 2>in and talk about.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well I'm talking about some things that I actually

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<v Speaker 1>don't normally really talk about.

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<v Speaker 2>That. That's that's brilliant. Okay, good, yeah, good, No, what

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<v Speaker 2>is it I guess that you're most fascinated by right now,

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<v Speaker 2>like something that you're personally obsessed with. I imagine that when

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<v Speaker 2>you're in discovery mode, just as when someone's healing not healed,

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<v Speaker 2>So in a scientist sense, it's like when you're just

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<v Speaker 2>when you're learning, not teaching. Like, what is that for

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<v Speaker 2>you right now? Well?

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's broadly covered by a lot of the

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<v Speaker 1>topics that we've mentioned, But I think the tension that

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<v Speaker 1>I'm interested in is how far you take these things, because,

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<v Speaker 1>as you well know, you could take these things so

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<v Speaker 1>far that you just like run off into the wilderness.

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<v Speaker 1>And become a monk and and just disengage from real life. Right, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I think what I'm really curious about is how far

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<v Speaker 1>do you take these things until you get to a

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<v Speaker 1>point where you have some level of understanding or potentially

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<v Speaker 1>night where you can live this life to the fullest.

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<v Speaker 1>That I'm obsessed with at the moment.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and I am too. When I'm listening to you.

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<v Speaker 2>I always think about how does something stop being a

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<v Speaker 2>fad and a trend and the moment, and how does

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<v Speaker 2>it become a real shift in lifestyle and a commitment

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<v Speaker 2>to whatever practice it is that you feel is valuable

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<v Speaker 2>because I find that as humans are always looking for

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<v Speaker 2>the next thing to entertain us, and you can also

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<v Speaker 2>have a lot of spiritual entertainment, and you can also

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<v Speaker 2>have a lot of purposeful entertainment, and it just becomes

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<v Speaker 2>another thing that you kind of use in order to escape,

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<v Speaker 2>as opposed to, No, this is what I'm dedicating my

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<v Speaker 2>life to, and this is what I'm committing my life to.

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<v Speaker 2>If that makes sense exactly. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's just another way of saying what I

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<v Speaker 1>was trying to say.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Yeah, I just I was just trying to say

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<v Speaker 2>to understand that, because Yeah, I think for me it's

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<v Speaker 2>been really interesting having learned a very ancient philosophy and

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<v Speaker 2>then grappling with trying to make it make sense in

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<v Speaker 2>the real life that I live now has been such

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<v Speaker 2>a difficult, beautiful, graceful, awkward path to walk. And I

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<v Speaker 2>don't think I figured it out. I'm still walking that

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<v Speaker 2>path and trying to make sense of it, but I

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<v Speaker 2>know that underlying it, and you talked about that, you

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<v Speaker 2>alluded to this this idea of having a purposeful life

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<v Speaker 2>based on service being a place that we're all trying

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<v Speaker 2>to get to. I think that's been the only guiding light,

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<v Speaker 2>like that's that's been the only thing that is the

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<v Speaker 2>light at the end of the tunnel that makes sense.

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<v Speaker 2>And I find that when i'm deeply when I help

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<v Speaker 2>people find theirs, and I find that what distracts us

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<v Speaker 2>me included from that is past desires, future opportunities, and ultimately,

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<v Speaker 2>I'd say the biggest one, which is what I want

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<v Speaker 2>to talk about now, is this societal noise that keeps

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<v Speaker 2>us bound. And that could be news cycles, it could

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<v Speaker 2>be entertainment conversations, it could be like we talked about before,

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<v Speaker 2>the expectations of work and life and people around us,

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<v Speaker 2>and so like, you're so swept up in all of that,

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<v Speaker 2>and naturally most of the people around us, including us,

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<v Speaker 2>are skewed towards negativity bias, confirmation bias. We're stuck. And

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<v Speaker 2>so to override, going back to where we started, to

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<v Speaker 2>override that kind of primitive self to say no, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>going to find the answer, I'm going to push is

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<v Speaker 2>so rare, if not impossible, that how does someone kind

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<v Speaker 2>of let go of those shackles and going back to

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<v Speaker 2>your prison point, how do you get out the prison?

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<v Speaker 2>Because the biggest I can't remember who said this, but

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<v Speaker 2>there's this idea of like it's a vadic concept, but

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<v Speaker 2>I think maybe it's been said in a movie or

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<v Speaker 2>something more recently, the idea that the best prisons are

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<v Speaker 2>the ones where you can't see the handcuffs. Right, This

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<v Speaker 2>idea that you don't even know you're trapped.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, right again, so much there, Jayes.

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<v Speaker 2>Sorry, I'm backing like I'm just downloading onto you because

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, you're super smart, Taris. I'm like downloading onto

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<v Speaker 2>you and like figure it out for me. That's that's

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<v Speaker 2>kind of where this how our relationship's working right now

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<v Speaker 2>it works for me.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I think something I just picked up from you,

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<v Speaker 1>This I think is really really inspiring for me and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure for many others, is where you've talked about

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<v Speaker 1>that beautiful but difficult journey. I think if you were

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<v Speaker 1>sitting here saying I figured it out and now I

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<v Speaker 1>want to help others, I don't think I would have

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<v Speaker 1>had the same feeling towards you at all. And it

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<v Speaker 1>just made me think, because I feel like I'm kind

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<v Speaker 1>of interested in a lot of things at the moment

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<v Speaker 1>in going down some rabbit holes and don't necessarily know,

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<v Speaker 1>like you know, where it's going to end up, that

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<v Speaker 1>maybe that's the beautiful thing. Maybe that's better than me

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<v Speaker 1>coming here and saying, let me tell you everything I

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<v Speaker 1>know about neuroscience, you know. So, yeah, I don't know

1:10:05.800 --> 1:10:07.400
<v Speaker 1>where I'm going with that, but I know I'm going

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<v Speaker 1>to think about that overnight because I'm very reflective. That

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<v Speaker 1>really touched me, actually to think that there isn't some

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<v Speaker 1>golden nugget that you've got to come up with at

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<v Speaker 1>the end. It's actually you know what you delve into

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<v Speaker 1>and are curious about, and where you go and how

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<v Speaker 1>easy or difficult it is. I think that's actually like

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<v Speaker 1>what the thing is for people. So now if only

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<v Speaker 1>I could remember any of the other things that.

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<v Speaker 2>No, No, I'm glad you talked about that, and I

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<v Speaker 2>want to touch on that too, Like I do feel

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<v Speaker 2>like there was a point in my life where I

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<v Speaker 2>believed I was teaching what I was learning, and then

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<v Speaker 2>I had to live what I'd learned, and then it

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<v Speaker 2>all changed, like its just completely changed. And even now,

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<v Speaker 2>that's why I'm in that dance, because you don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>and the situation is giving you. As we said earlier,

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<v Speaker 2>each impediment is giving you a new invitation to learn,

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<v Speaker 2>live and react and respond and figure it out again.

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<v Speaker 2>And then that happens again and again and again.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's like you know that phrase, healer, heel thyself.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that I've never understood that phrase in the

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<v Speaker 1>way that I have until what you said, what you

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<v Speaker 1>just said, which is that you kind of create like

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<v Speaker 1>an elixir that you can share with others if you

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<v Speaker 1>actually do that, if you keep just trying to impart

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<v Speaker 1>what you think you know. I don't think that has

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to say it, I'm not sure it has

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<v Speaker 1>like much effect at all, But I think if you

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<v Speaker 1>can impart a feeling of what you went through, I

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<v Speaker 1>think that has much more power. Wow, And I'm going

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<v Speaker 1>to move on quite swiftly because I just remembered another

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<v Speaker 1>thing I wanted to say. So you were talking about

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<v Speaker 1>the noise around us, but also earlier we were talking

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<v Speaker 1>about all these ancient practices, a lot of which come

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<v Speaker 1>from our culture and maybe don't come from other people's cultures.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll tell you the one thing I do that expands

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<v Speaker 1>my consciousness to most That is the easiest thing that

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<v Speaker 1>anyone can do from any culture. Do you want to

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<v Speaker 1>guess what it is?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, go for it. I have no idea.

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<v Speaker 1>Digital detos so I don't watch the news anyway, but

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<v Speaker 1>obviously I am aware of the most important things that

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<v Speaker 1>are going on in the world because I've got people

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<v Speaker 1>around me that make sure I stay informed. And that

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<v Speaker 1>does not mean I make other people watch the news.

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<v Speaker 1>Just my family will tell me and if I need

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<v Speaker 1>to look into something. But when I do digital detoxes,

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<v Speaker 1>which I usually do, if I take two three four

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<v Speaker 1>weeks off over like Christmas a new year, that is

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<v Speaker 1>the biggest change for me in terms of my mental space,

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<v Speaker 1>my perception of time, how creative I become at that time.

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<v Speaker 1>I may also be probably spending a lot of time

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<v Speaker 1>in nature and kind of you know, doing more of

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<v Speaker 1>the kinds of exercise that I love to do, like

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<v Speaker 1>swimming in the sea and stuff like that. But that

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<v Speaker 1>one thing alone makes a noticeable difference for me, and

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<v Speaker 1>it does take some time. You know, doing a weekend

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<v Speaker 1>is great, like, please do that if you can't do

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<v Speaker 1>anything else, but if you can give it some more time,

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<v Speaker 1>I noticed towards the end, I just become like super creative.

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<v Speaker 2>Is so true. I can relate to it completely. I

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<v Speaker 2>think that's probably one of my favorite habits too. And

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<v Speaker 2>it's funny because I was like, no, Jay, I just

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<v Speaker 2>saw you post yesterday. I'm like, no, We've got to

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<v Speaker 2>a point where we built the systems where we can

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<v Speaker 2>be online and offline at the same time. And I

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<v Speaker 2>couldn't agree with you more. I'm my best self creatively,

1:13:20.040 --> 1:13:23.840
<v Speaker 2>even productively, if I'm not glued to doom scrolling or

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<v Speaker 2>whatever else it may be. And I think it comes

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<v Speaker 2>back down to that's what I meant by the noise,

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<v Speaker 2>and that is the answer. That's a great answer, because

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<v Speaker 2>I do think that you just have to switch the

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<v Speaker 2>noise off. There isn't a way to operate in the

1:13:38.720 --> 1:13:41.360
<v Speaker 2>noise and hope that you won't be affected by it.

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<v Speaker 2>It's almost like you walk into a restaurant, you will

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<v Speaker 2>walk out smelling like the food in that restaurant, Like

1:13:46.479 --> 1:13:49.080
<v Speaker 2>you can't go in there, eat, enjoy it, and walk out.

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<v Speaker 2>And I used to often think I could do that,

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<v Speaker 2>Like I used to think you could engage with an

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<v Speaker 2>energy and not be affected by it, and that's not true,

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<v Speaker 2>Like no one's powerful enough to do that, and you

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<v Speaker 2>will kind of absorb that energy. And I do find

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<v Speaker 2>that we're just losing spaces of high frequency and vibration

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<v Speaker 2>that people can go to to have that the other way.

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<v Speaker 2>So there's lots of places you could go to and

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<v Speaker 2>we all probably know what they are, where like I

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<v Speaker 2>don't like going there's managing against train and I don't

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<v Speaker 2>like going there because I don't feel my best. I

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<v Speaker 2>think we're losing places in society that have the opposite effect,

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<v Speaker 2>like where does someone go to? And you're saying nature

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<v Speaker 2>is definitely one of them that.

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<v Speaker 1>Was free opposite to people, and that one's.

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<v Speaker 2>Free as well and accessible, and it's become harder. I

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<v Speaker 2>read this article a few years ago, and it was

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<v Speaker 2>talking about how what we value as a society has

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<v Speaker 2>changed by the tallest building in the town. And so

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<v Speaker 2>back in the day, the tallest building in the town

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<v Speaker 2>would be the church, so you can see the cross

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<v Speaker 2>from anywhere, and that would be the center point of community.

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<v Speaker 2>And then that changed to the government building, the capitol building.

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<v Speaker 2>You'd see that building, the State building became the tallest building.

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<v Speaker 2>And today if you looked at any city center, it

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<v Speaker 2>would be the commerce, it would be the business, it

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<v Speaker 2>would be you know, the tallest building will be a banker.

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<v Speaker 1>Very cool.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And it was just this idea of how society

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<v Speaker 2>shows what's important and what's powerful too. I'd add that

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<v Speaker 2>as well that it's also what we deem as powerful.

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<v Speaker 2>And I want to wanted to get your take on

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<v Speaker 2>what is it your perspective on God and the source

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<v Speaker 2>in that sense, like what have you discovered or seen

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<v Speaker 2>from your research in that space.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, that's a very difficult question to answer.

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<v Speaker 2>I think you don't have to if you don't want to.

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<v Speaker 1>No, it's not that I don't want to. I mean

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<v Speaker 1>it's difficult for me because I have to put my

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<v Speaker 1>scientist head on and I want to answer that question,

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<v Speaker 1>which is that clearly God brings a lot of comfort

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<v Speaker 1>to a lot of people. And probably you could argue

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<v Speaker 1>that it can't be disproven that God exists, but with

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<v Speaker 1>the science that we have at our fingertips at the moment,

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<v Speaker 1>it can't be proven. So I have nothing against people,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, having that as their primary source of comfort

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<v Speaker 1>and guide in life. But I can't give you any

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<v Speaker 1>evidence that such a thing exists.

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<v Speaker 2>Even with the experiences that people have had under psychedelics

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<v Speaker 2>or things like that. I've heard or met so many

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<v Speaker 2>people who have had like God interactions or godlike interactions

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<v Speaker 2>with it. Yeah, and things I'm sure you have too. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>that's why I was trying to get it from from

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<v Speaker 2>the research point of view. But you're saying that that's

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<v Speaker 2>still not you wouldn't count as proof in the scientific ecent.

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<v Speaker 1>No, I wouldn't count it as proof. And I would

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<v Speaker 1>say that the person who described that in the biggest

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<v Speaker 1>detail to me, who someone that I really trust to

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<v Speaker 1>is a positive psychologist, said I had what I can

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<v Speaker 1>only describe as a godlike experience. I don't think anyone

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<v Speaker 1>can really say more than that. The people with the

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<v Speaker 1>near death experiences often talk about something similar as well,

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<v Speaker 1>and there are some common themes like a tunnel of

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<v Speaker 1>white light, you know, a being that's like more full

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<v Speaker 1>of love than anything you've ever experienced. It does tend

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<v Speaker 1>to hold archetypes depending on what religious or cultural background

1:16:57.520 --> 1:17:03.719
<v Speaker 1>you come from. Not always, but so yeah, again, I'm curious,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I'm curious, but I'm always going to be

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<v Speaker 1>that person that is very happy to go down a

1:17:08.240 --> 1:17:10.439
<v Speaker 1>rabbit hole. But we'll also say that this is the

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<v Speaker 1>end of what we know, like totally yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, no, no, And that's totally it's totally interesting

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<v Speaker 2>and fair and it's yeah, it's just been something I've

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<v Speaker 2>been fascinated by from a scientific point of view because

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<v Speaker 2>it's it's yeah, trying to understand the as we've talked

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<v Speaker 2>about today, the other worldly or other realm is something

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<v Speaker 2>that's beyond us, like we don't we don't even have

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<v Speaker 2>Like you said, the brain doesn't even allow us to

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<v Speaker 2>go there.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what we think. But I think if we even

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<v Speaker 1>believe that hypothesis, there must be more that we can

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<v Speaker 1>do to try to go there. Yes, yeah, and I

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<v Speaker 1>will say that science does say that a sort of

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<v Speaker 1>a healthy. Moderate amount of religiosity or belief in God

1:17:50.880 --> 1:17:55.440
<v Speaker 1>is beneficial to our mental health, and non or fundamentalism

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<v Speaker 1>is actually, you know, negative for our mental health.

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<v Speaker 2>We've talked about so what's today. We've really gone there

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<v Speaker 2>and it was more that I've thought too. I've I've

1:18:04.960 --> 1:18:08.760
<v Speaker 2>avoided every bullet point my team sent me, and I

1:18:08.760 --> 1:18:10.840
<v Speaker 2>love that because it's been so much more fun just

1:18:10.920 --> 1:18:14.840
<v Speaker 2>diving into your amazing mind and research and just getting

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<v Speaker 2>getting an inking. Is there anything that we haven't talked

1:18:16.560 --> 1:18:19.760
<v Speaker 2>about that you really want to touch on it? I'm

1:18:19.800 --> 1:18:22.680
<v Speaker 2>like just making sure that to sit with someone and

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<v Speaker 2>really pick their brain, and someone who can speak about

1:18:27.720 --> 1:18:29.519
<v Speaker 2>so many different things and such a broad range of

1:18:29.560 --> 1:18:31.720
<v Speaker 2>topics is so rare. I'm so grateful to you for

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<v Speaker 2>that because I love how much how curious you are.

1:18:35.560 --> 1:18:37.599
<v Speaker 2>I love how much you're willing to push the envelope.

1:18:37.600 --> 1:18:40.240
<v Speaker 2>I love how challenging you are of both sides of

1:18:40.240 --> 1:18:44.120
<v Speaker 2>the idea, whether it's spirituality or science. And we end

1:18:44.200 --> 1:18:48.120
<v Speaker 2>every On Purpose episode with a final five. So I'd

1:18:48.160 --> 1:18:50.320
<v Speaker 2>love to ask you these five questions. Some of them

1:18:50.320 --> 1:18:51.880
<v Speaker 2>are things we ask everyone, and some of them will

1:18:51.920 --> 1:18:55.160
<v Speaker 2>be geared towards you. So doctor Torres sat These are

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<v Speaker 2>your final five. The first question is what is the

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<v Speaker 2>best advice you've ever heard or received?

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<v Speaker 1>There's a few that you can say all of them, okay.

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<v Speaker 1>So that one is particularly to do with writing, because

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<v Speaker 1>the first time I had to write out my PhD,

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<v Speaker 1>and then every time I've written a book since then,

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<v Speaker 1>which I'm actually doing at the moment, I struggle. So

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<v Speaker 1>somebody said to me, just write something, and I think

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<v Speaker 1>that's quite an important metaphor for life, like you just

1:19:20.640 --> 1:19:22.360
<v Speaker 1>have to start. You have to put one foot forward,

1:19:22.400 --> 1:19:24.280
<v Speaker 1>you know, and then it's much easier than looking at

1:19:24.320 --> 1:19:27.080
<v Speaker 1>a blank page. And then the other one, I think,

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<v Speaker 1>which I didn't really understand at the time but is

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<v Speaker 1>kind of where I am now, is follow your heart.

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<v Speaker 2>What do you understand about it differently now?

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<v Speaker 1>I think at the time, I was probably in my

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<v Speaker 1>late twenties or early thirties, and I thought, you can't

1:19:40.160 --> 1:19:41.800
<v Speaker 1>live life like that. You've got to do the right

1:19:41.800 --> 1:19:44.040
<v Speaker 1>thing with your career, and you know that, I sort

1:19:44.080 --> 1:19:47.200
<v Speaker 1>of worried about what my parents would think, and but

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<v Speaker 1>now I just I believe that if you do that,

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<v Speaker 1>you can't go wrong.

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<v Speaker 2>I love that question. Number two, what is the worst

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<v Speaker 2>advice you ever heard or received.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not going to say it's the worst advice, but

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<v Speaker 1>I'm to say that the concept around it is perhaps

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<v Speaker 1>flawed in a way that again I understand differently now,

1:20:06.560 --> 1:20:08.719
<v Speaker 1>which is that when I was at school, high school,

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<v Speaker 1>my English teacher said to me, you're so good at

1:20:11.880 --> 1:20:14.560
<v Speaker 1>drama that you should read English Oxford and go to

1:20:14.680 --> 1:20:17.639
<v Speaker 1>Rada and you could become an actress. Now, in those days,

1:20:17.720 --> 1:20:20.360
<v Speaker 1>there were no like Indian actors or actresses in like

1:20:20.360 --> 1:20:23.080
<v Speaker 1>the western world, really, and so my father said, over

1:20:23.120 --> 1:20:25.120
<v Speaker 1>my dead body, and you will go to medical school.

1:20:25.600 --> 1:20:28.120
<v Speaker 1>I've obviously had a very privileged education. I'm very pleased

1:20:28.120 --> 1:20:30.240
<v Speaker 1>to be where I am now. But I just wonder

1:20:30.280 --> 1:20:32.639
<v Speaker 1>what could have happened if I'd actually been supported in that,

1:20:32.720 --> 1:20:36.679
<v Speaker 1>because because I'm not doing medicine now and I'm way

1:20:36.720 --> 1:20:39.840
<v Speaker 1>more successful now in something that you know, my parents

1:20:39.880 --> 1:20:42.600
<v Speaker 1>couldn't have imagined. So I just think this clipping of

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<v Speaker 1>the wings of children, I think is bad advice.

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<v Speaker 2>Question number three, is it possible to manifest love?

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<v Speaker 1>One hundred percent? I did how I did it with

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<v Speaker 1>my vision board.

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<v Speaker 2>It walk us through it.

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<v Speaker 1>So I had been divorced for quite a few years,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'd basically become a workaholic, and I'd had a

1:21:00.439 --> 1:21:03.120
<v Speaker 1>lot of success with vision boards for my work. And

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<v Speaker 1>then I remember just slightly thinking, I think I'm using

1:21:05.640 --> 1:21:08.760
<v Speaker 1>my work to run away from love again, and then

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<v Speaker 1>I just pushed that thought aside. Then the following year,

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<v Speaker 1>I thought, Okay, I'm going to put this tiny little

1:21:13.560 --> 1:21:15.479
<v Speaker 1>heart on my vision board, but it's all going to

1:21:15.520 --> 1:21:19.439
<v Speaker 1>be about business and travel, and so nothing changed. And

1:21:19.479 --> 1:21:21.720
<v Speaker 1>then I really thought to myself, Okay, Tara, if you

1:21:21.800 --> 1:21:24.960
<v Speaker 1>believe in this manifestation, if you really really believe in it,

1:21:25.000 --> 1:21:27.120
<v Speaker 1>you've got to prove it to yourself that you can

1:21:27.120 --> 1:21:30.439
<v Speaker 1>manifest love. So I put this like huge engagement ring

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<v Speaker 1>on the top left corner of my vision board. I

1:21:32.960 --> 1:21:35.960
<v Speaker 1>never usually put phrases on it, but I was looking

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<v Speaker 1>through magazines and I saw this phrase that said joy

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<v Speaker 1>comes out of the blue. It's actually Tiffany advert. I

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<v Speaker 1>just loved it, so I put it like on the

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<v Speaker 1>top of my board and the various other things. So

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<v Speaker 1>I did that for twenty for twenty fifteen, and actually

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<v Speaker 1>nothing had happened by the end of twenty fifteen. But

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<v Speaker 1>February twenty sixteen, I met the person who was to

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<v Speaker 1>become my husband on a plane, so that's out of

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<v Speaker 1>the blue in the sky, and we got engaged year

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<v Speaker 1>and then married the finding.

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<v Speaker 2>You Wow, I love that. That's a great story. That's beautiful.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure that'll give people a lot of hope. What

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<v Speaker 2>are people doing wrong with manifesting love? Where are people

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<v Speaker 2>going wrong?

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's a lot to do with this noise

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<v Speaker 1>around us that you talked about, So I think a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of it is at a certain stage of life

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<v Speaker 1>where you just think that's what you should be doing.

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<v Speaker 1>And personally, I will go with a theme that you

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<v Speaker 1>sort of alluded to as well, which is that I

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<v Speaker 1>think people are going for a lot of external characteristics

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<v Speaker 1>when they actually should be going for like values and

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<v Speaker 1>you know, what the human being is actually like and

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<v Speaker 1>what that relationship would be like, rather than the material

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<v Speaker 1>things that's around it.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely a question number five fifty final question. We asked

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<v Speaker 2>this to everyone who's ever been on the show. If

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<v Speaker 2>you could create one law that everyone in the world

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<v Speaker 2>had to follow, what would it be? Love?

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<v Speaker 1>Everyone just give out so much love.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's so needed, yeah, so needed. Especially now well

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<v Speaker 2>doctor Tarris, Well, thank you so much for coming on

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<v Speaker 2>us both sharing insights, your favorite clips, things you're practicing,

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<v Speaker 2>your action boards. I want to see it all. And

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<v Speaker 2>doctor Tyreswat, thank you so much for your time and energy. Again,

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<v Speaker 2>it was truly a joy, So thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>It was amazing for me too. Thank you so much.

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<v Speaker 3>If it's a romantic relationship, hold hands. It's really hard

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<v Speaker 3>to argue. It actually calms your nervous systems. Just hold

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<v Speaker 3>on and as you're having the conversation, it's so lovely.