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Speaker 2: scenarios to see what they would do and why they
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Speaker 2: you are familiar with. We've got Tyler Jones and k C. Smith.
Speaker 2: They're the hosts of the Element YouTube channel, the Buck
Speaker 2: Truck series over on our media or YouTube channel, and
Speaker 2: as of last year, hosts of our Fresh Radio mini series,
Speaker 2: so hopefully you're listening to that. Each hunting season, we
Speaker 2: get weekly updates from the field, and Casey and Tyler
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Speaker 2: good time with me as we talk through some interesting hunting,
Speaker 2: you know situations. That's the game plan, talking to Casey
Speaker 2: and Tyler talking deer, getting everything from public land advice
Speaker 2: to you know, things related to every phase of the season.
Speaker 2: We talk the rut we talked early season. We talk
Speaker 2: how to deal with adversity. We even talk about using bait,
Speaker 2: which is the thing they've done here and there, as
Speaker 2: well as chasing big deer on totally DIY public land
Speaker 2: spots and brand new territories. So I think there's gonna
Speaker 2: be a little bit something here for everyone. I thoroughly
Speaker 2: enjoyed this one. They are their fun crew and very
Speaker 2: very good deer hunters. If you've not seen their hunts
Speaker 2: over on YouTube, whether it be on the Mediator channel
Speaker 2: or their channel, you should because they get it done
Speaker 2: in a wide array of situations and they've got a
Speaker 2: lot to share that we can all learn from. So,
Speaker 2: without any further ado, let's get into our latest episode
Speaker 2: from our what would You Do? Series with Tyler Jones
Speaker 2: and Casey Smith of The Element. The Gauntlet's gonna begin
Speaker 2: in Michigan, Okay, my home state of Michigan. Because you
Speaker 2: guys came up a while back and you did your
Speaker 2: whole scouting series, right, you guys did some scouting and
Speaker 2: check some stuff out, So I want to imagine, I
Speaker 2: want us to imagine if you guys were to take
Speaker 2: that a step further. So Let's say you had to
Speaker 2: come back up here to my home state and you
Speaker 2: were gonna hunt, and we'll say it's going to be
Speaker 2: an October hunt. What I'm curious is if we stuck
Speaker 2: you back in that same area you checked out. Without
Speaker 2: giving out too much details, I think it was somewhere
Speaker 2: in the southern half of the state, kind of agriculture country,
Speaker 2: mixed habitat. If you were going to show up at
Speaker 2: that piece of public land or something similar in Michigan,
Speaker 2: you've got one week to hunt in October. You're on
Speaker 2: your buck truck season two or whatever you know you're
Speaker 2: gonna your season is gonna be. How would you go
Speaker 2: about scouting and learning that property leading into the hunt,
Speaker 2: And what would the first day of that hunt look like?
Speaker 3: Given all that, did we get to choose any uh?
Speaker 3: Seven week stretch in October? Is that what you're giving us?
Speaker 3: The option to day seven day?
Speaker 2: Yeah? No, I'm giving you. Well, in my head, I
Speaker 2: was thinking the first week of October. But I'll let
Speaker 2: you pick your week. I'll let you pick if you want.
Speaker 2: If you don't want the first.
Speaker 3: Week, Uh, are you going? I would say I would
Speaker 3: pick the first week.
Speaker 4: I think so that helps, I'll go ahead and kind
Speaker 4: of play that through.
Speaker 3: I am.
Speaker 4: I'm a lot different than a lot of people in
Speaker 4: that I like mornings in October because I'm not hunting
Speaker 4: field edges like I love to hunt bed to feed,
Speaker 4: where in that case it's feed to bed in the morning,
Speaker 4: especially if you have good access. If you're like, say
Speaker 4: you're hunting a public piece that's pretty good size and
Speaker 4: it's got varied habitat, and you maybe can go do
Speaker 4: some scouting in the evening before and see, you know,
Speaker 4: deer hitting an agfield where whether it's you know, alfalfa, standing.
Speaker 3: Corn or whatever. Maybe and maybe maybe it's a bird
Speaker 3: feeder you know in some of these places or whatever.
Speaker 4: I like the concept of going in early in the
Speaker 4: morning and getting way back into something and coming from
Speaker 4: the different direction than where the deer are, and that's
Speaker 4: pretty consistent early in the year.
Speaker 3: So that first week of October works really good for that.
Speaker 4: And you know, I guess to go a little deeper
Speaker 4: into that, I think you'd probably want to pair that
Speaker 4: with some natural browse stuff.
Speaker 3: When's the first frost date in southern Michigan.
Speaker 2: Mm hm, you know, somewhere in that first couple of
Speaker 2: weeks of October, I would guess most years.
Speaker 4: Okay, so that's gonna probably make a difference on what
Speaker 4: the what you're doing. If you don't have a frost
Speaker 4: date yet in early October, then there's a lot more
Speaker 4: of that forbe stuff that's still available deer. But say
Speaker 4: you do get an early frost, I'm sure, well I'll
Speaker 4: pronounce it correctly for Michigan and ers, but acorns will
Speaker 4: be potentially a thing at that point in the year,
Speaker 4: right so, and it might be like some early dropping
Speaker 4: reds or something like that. If you pair that with
Speaker 4: close proximity to some thicket betting maybe across a marsh
Speaker 4: or something like that from an agriculture food source, I
Speaker 4: feel pretty good about early October, you know that. And
Speaker 4: also Michigan has like a September tween opener or is
Speaker 4: it always October.
Speaker 3: One or what is it?
Speaker 2: Oh is October one?
Speaker 4: So again I think that that lends itself to some
Speaker 4: really good hunting maybe on like October fourth, uh deep
Speaker 4: in there where like I'm the opener, you could opener.
Speaker 3: You can have you know a lot of pressure around
Speaker 3: the first the.
Speaker 4: Half mile radius near the roads, and if you go
Speaker 4: back in there and just anticipate those deer getting bumped
Speaker 4: into the deeper stuff and be there waiting on them.
Speaker 3: Uh, it's a it's a pretty good process. I think,
Speaker 3: what kind of scouting are you talking about? The East
Speaker 3: East scouting or like the on foot stuff.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm curious about both. So so I was gonna
Speaker 2: ask case if if that means he would not do
Speaker 2: any east scouting, would not do anything but the glass
Speaker 2: the night before, or are you gonna do any of
Speaker 2: those other things leading into those first hunts?
Speaker 4: Uh? You you probably know my answer because you know me.
Speaker 4: But I'm gonna he's got a ton on this stuff.
Speaker 4: In fact way more, I don't like to stomp stuff
Speaker 4: up if it's if it's within a couple of weeks
Speaker 4: of when I'm gonna hunt, I just stay out of there.
Speaker 4: I don't want to be in there messing around. And
Speaker 4: I know that deer will recover from that stuff. And
Speaker 4: you know, if you bump a buck once whatever, But
Speaker 4: at the same time, you never know when that buck is.
Speaker 3: Just a little bit weird about that stuff or I mean, it's.
Speaker 4: Almost like a chaos theory type deal. You know, it's
Speaker 4: like what if you just do the wrong one thing,
Speaker 4: Like you don't know that that's a looking branch, but
Speaker 4: you touch it and they freak out, you know. Like so
Speaker 4: just you know, if you're say you show up a
Speaker 4: couple of days early, I wouldn't even show up a
Speaker 4: couple of days early. Probably I would just show up
Speaker 4: a day early and have some very good eastcout preparation.
Speaker 3: And in this sense, I would be looking for proximity
Speaker 3: to roads.
Speaker 4: I'd be using like that on X layer that shows
Speaker 4: you crop rotation stuff. And the big thing in Michigan,
Speaker 4: it seems is you can see deer trails from the
Speaker 4: area pretty often crossing those swamps. In fact, that's one
Speaker 4: of the things we used on scouting series was beer
Speaker 4: trails to.
Speaker 3: Uh, you know, Betting Islands, and uh.
Speaker 4: It seemed to be pretty productive. And I would so, yeah,
Speaker 4: it's super heavy scout. Uh, probably a lot of truck
Speaker 4: scouting driving around. I mean, if you can see a deer,
Speaker 4: that makes me feel way more confident. I mean, even
Speaker 4: if it's a small buck at that point in the year,
Speaker 4: you know, like there's still a chance that he's in
Speaker 4: pretty close proximity to his buddy.
Speaker 3: He was hanging out with this summer, and I mean
Speaker 3: shoot man in Michigan.
Speaker 4: They're all shooters, right, so, uh, he's small danger according
Speaker 4: to your boys, they say small ones.
Speaker 3: They're right.
Speaker 2: What would you what would you do, Tyler? Would you
Speaker 2: take the same approach?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Pretty similar? We you know, he and I spend
Speaker 3: a lot of.
Speaker 5: Time uh together, and we are on a podcast every
Speaker 5: week on our podcast, and so we talk about this
Speaker 5: stuff a lot. So we tend to we tend to
Speaker 5: agree with a lot uh and have a lot of
Speaker 5: similarities in this. I'd probably add, like, I'm looking at
Speaker 5: that pen right now, where.
Speaker 3: That camera was, and.
Speaker 5: I would I would definitely try to hypothesize the betting
Speaker 5: a little bit because I think, if I remember correctly,
Speaker 5: one of the bigger bucks was a night photo, and
Speaker 5: so I definitely like those are useful to me if
Speaker 5: they're if they're close, if they're close to the you know,
Speaker 5: close to daylight or close to shooting time, So those
Speaker 5: are those are fairly useful, even if they're within a
Speaker 5: couple of hours. Sometimes I feel like you can assume
Speaker 5: betting sometimes based off of that, especially in more open country,
Speaker 5: which just isn't. But I think another thing I would
Speaker 5: key in on that time of year, I would imagine
Speaker 5: most of the corn is still in, is that correct
Speaker 5: up there and around the first week of October, ye,
Speaker 5: So I would try to stay away from corn. I
Speaker 5: think there looks like there's a lot of alfalfa in
Speaker 5: the area, and I would I would hunt that just because.
Speaker 3: Corn that's in just makes things so difficult.
Speaker 5: Man like you, just because your whole bed to feed
Speaker 5: pattern gets thrown off in a situation like that. So
Speaker 5: I don't like that because really, I mean, you can
Speaker 5: hunt the edge of the corn and.
Speaker 3: Kind of play both sides of the coin.
Speaker 5: There, but you're just you don't know where to blow
Speaker 5: your wind and all that. So I probably would just
Speaker 5: stay away from corn that time of year, try to
Speaker 5: be into either beans or out faluta.
Speaker 2: So this brings up a larger question that I've kind
Speaker 2: of wrestled with over the years when it comes to
Speaker 2: my approach to new places that I'm just showing up
Speaker 2: and hunting. I've historically always taken a similar approach to
Speaker 2: you guys, in which I would east out a bunch
Speaker 2: and then show up and be conservative, you know, not
Speaker 2: want to trump all over the place, and kind of
Speaker 2: work my way and based on what I'm seeing. But
Speaker 2: I've had a few times where I have you know,
Speaker 2: missed the boat in a situation where I didn't find
Speaker 2: the key place until at the very end, and where
Speaker 2: I'm thinking, man, if I just taken half a day
Speaker 2: or the first day and like burned through a bunch
Speaker 2: more stuff and actually saw this stuff, I could have
Speaker 2: figured it out much more quickly and probably still could
Speaker 2: have got away with it. So I've sometimes debated this
Speaker 2: in my own mind. Is there any situation anytime of
Speaker 2: the year in which you would do something like that,
Speaker 2: like take day one or half a day and actually
Speaker 2: like pound the ground or is it always going to
Speaker 2: be what you just described for a showing up to
Speaker 2: a relatively new place and learning as you go.
Speaker 5: My e scouting would determine that more we it's so
Speaker 5: hot textas we just e scout all summer everything that
Speaker 5: we're kind of looking forward to going and seeing.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 5: And so I'll have I usually have kind of some
Speaker 5: some methods that I use. I'm not super detailed, but
Speaker 5: I do have like some organization on X that I
Speaker 5: use that helps me to determine kind of So what
Speaker 5: I'll kind of do is just like shotgun everything in
Speaker 5: the area that I think is pretty good, and I
Speaker 5: usually am probably a little bit more particular and dial
Speaker 5: dialed in on that stuff in case he is. But
Speaker 5: his method pays off a lot on playing BCD and
Speaker 5: all that. You know, it's it's it helps us out.
Speaker 5: But I'll, like I won't have probably as many pens
Speaker 5: as him, but I'll put a bunch out there, and
Speaker 5: then I'll go through and continue to look at those
Speaker 5: throughout the summer some and end up like I all
Speaker 5: kind of blue ribbon a lot of my like really
Speaker 5: spots that I think are just awesome, and those are
Speaker 5: spots that, like, I'll probably end up hunting those those areas,
Speaker 5: and I'll probably end up observing.
Speaker 3: A lot of times first in those areas.
Speaker 5: Man, I like to be able to hunt even if
Speaker 5: I am observing, so like it's not just purely an
Speaker 5: observation set. Sometimes I just sit where my wind is
Speaker 5: pretty full proof or something like that, you know, or
Speaker 5: my access is really good, and then kind of see
Speaker 5: and then also just be ready. But I think that
Speaker 5: would determine kind of how I approach that is, like
Speaker 5: if I go to an area and I've got one
Speaker 5: good spot or two good spots say that I really like,
Speaker 5: like I can tell from the aerial that that is
Speaker 5: going to be a spot that I will more than
Speaker 5: likely build an encounter buck. Then say the wind is
Speaker 5: bad for it for both those spots, then that's where
Speaker 5: I'll go, and I may stomp something up or really
Speaker 5: get a little more aggressive and try to get my
Speaker 5: glass on deer that are running out of the bottom
Speaker 5: or something like that, and then I'll go back over
Speaker 5: those spots when the wind is right. I In fact,
Speaker 5: in South Dakota twenty twenty, it took six days before
Speaker 5: we had a wind that we could hunt deer that
Speaker 5: we're moving on a bed defeat pattern in one spy,
Speaker 5: And when we finally got the wind we needed on
Speaker 5: that sixth day, we went in there the first time
Speaker 5: and we both shot.
Speaker 3: Bucks that even on that same spot, probably a couple
Speaker 3: hundred yards from each other.
Speaker 4: You know, you bring up a good point about if
Speaker 4: I am going to stomp something up, I don't know
Speaker 4: if it's the time of a year as much as
Speaker 4: it is it's a low risk, high reward top place.
Speaker 3: So like I usually categorize my stuff like a through.
Speaker 4: F as far as like places to bounce and go
Speaker 4: in thoughts and the like, uh, if my really you know,
Speaker 4: top three places don't work for some reason, one of
Speaker 4: those bottom places I'll go stomp up because I'm like,
Speaker 4: I probably won't make it here on the week anyways.
Speaker 4: But what if I go in here and just find
Speaker 4: the thing that's like, oh this I was this was
Speaker 4: severely overlooked.
Speaker 3: By me, and I you know, I have missed the
Speaker 3: boat big time on this.
Speaker 4: So that's probably one situation where I might stomp something.
Speaker 4: Was like, I probably won't make it there, you know,
Speaker 4: so let's go in there and do a quick run
Speaker 4: and maybe there's something to learn from that.
Speaker 5: I would say that the rut, though, is the time
Speaker 5: that we're pretty aggressive on this stuff. Sometimes it's like,
Speaker 5: you know, just you know, it's more forgiving. The spot
Speaker 5: is because deer maybe three miles from there.
Speaker 3: The next day.
Speaker 4: You're almost not stomping it up though, You're almost just
Speaker 4: like blasting in there hunting anything.
Speaker 3: Weird things can happen.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So uh, another time that I might do just
Speaker 4: stomp it up thing is if I'm in an area
Speaker 4: let's say, so we're still going with this Southern Michigan scenario.
Speaker 4: Let's say, and I don't.
Speaker 3: Know the state well, but maybe there's a big chunk.
Speaker 4: Of state forest or something that doesn't have much agriculture around,
Speaker 4: and it's the right time of year for those year
Speaker 4: to be hitting some falling masts. That would be the
Speaker 4: time when it's like I'm gonna go in there and
Speaker 4: just stomp until I find the thing and and hunted.
Speaker 3: But all that said, I never have done that with success.
Speaker 4: So but it's still just because I haven't had success
Speaker 4: doing something doesn't mean I wouldn't try it again, you know,
Speaker 4: because I think it could work.
Speaker 2: See, you guys brought up something that I want to
Speaker 2: get a little more clarity on. Again. It's another one
Speaker 2: of those things I always find myself debating on these
Speaker 2: traveling hunts. You go into a lot of these hunts
Speaker 2: with a bunch of different options, right play ABC and
Speaker 2: maybe let's say maybe like A B and C you
Speaker 2: feel pretty good about and you've got like a lot
Speaker 2: of sound reasons why you think that'll work, why you
Speaker 2: like it a lot, and then you get to your
Speaker 2: de FG's or whatever, and now you're kind of you know,
Speaker 2: these are I don't know, you can give it a
Speaker 2: shot if you have to, maybe how much time do
Speaker 2: you invest Let's say you have a seven day hunt.
Speaker 2: We'll just take for an average, how much time will
Speaker 2: you give to your spots you really really like your
Speaker 2: ABU c's whatever that is before you pull the plug
Speaker 2: and they're like, man, we really got to try some
Speaker 2: crazy stuff because this just isn't working. I know some
Speaker 2: guy I talked to someone recently who likes to give
Speaker 2: like a three day rule to his best spots, Like
Speaker 2: he'll give them three good sits, you know, to give
Speaker 2: them a chance to work out the random days where
Speaker 2: they're just not there. I've seen you guys, you know,
Speaker 2: sometimes stick it out in one area, but sometimes, you know,
Speaker 2: bounce around quite a bit. What's what's your general take
Speaker 2: about how long you'll focus on a spot because of
Speaker 2: your confidence before you have to really start pivoting to
Speaker 2: wildly different things. Like if you had three days in
Speaker 2: your plan A or B and it's just like not happening,
Speaker 2: or maybe four days and you're down to the last three,
Speaker 2: are you really going crazy and finding brand new spots
Speaker 2: or do you just trust?
Speaker 3: Uh? I thought you gave me a little finger down
Speaker 3: here to say that you had you you had a thing. Okay,
Speaker 3: I can go what happened about breaking?
Speaker 2: What's what's the finger thing?
Speaker 4: I was like I thought I thought it was like
Speaker 4: you're raising your hands, but you're raising your finger.
Speaker 3: Weird how observing he is, but he doesn't like.
Speaker 4: Okay, So I mark to answer your question. In most situations,
Speaker 4: and if I do not see a deer, uh, I'm
Speaker 4: bouncing after the first hip.
Speaker 3: That's just It's just it, unless it's.
Speaker 4: A rut hunt where it's like the raging rut and
Speaker 4: you're in an area that deer cruise and you're liable
Speaker 4: to pick up new deer from a neighbor or something.
Speaker 4: So let's go back to the scenario here with the
Speaker 4: first week of October in Michigan.
Speaker 3: These these deer are probably on a pretty good pattern. Uh.
Speaker 3: And the only thing that's changing that is hunter pressure.
Speaker 3: So if I go to a place.
Speaker 4: And I don't see deer or a good sign, man,
Speaker 4: the clock's kicking in my head. Like I have a
Speaker 4: real hard time. I mean, this week, I've talked about
Speaker 4: this with gregular Day and probably you two, but like,
Speaker 4: I can't think of a single time this past season
Speaker 4: I hung in the same tree twice.
Speaker 3: Now I might have been in the same area, but
Speaker 3: I made some type of adjustment, you know, sixty yards
Speaker 3: over here or whatever.
Speaker 4: But I don't think I ever hung in the same
Speaker 4: tree twice. So it depends on what you call spot
Speaker 4: right now. If you call on like an eighty a spot,
Speaker 4: I could probably find a way to give that three days,
Speaker 4: but I still wouldn't hang in the same tree.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm pretty similar.
Speaker 5: I mean I gotta see, Like most of the time,
Speaker 5: I gotta see if you're out of state on an
Speaker 5: out of state trip, Like time is just of the essence,
Speaker 5: and we're just I mean, we spend a lot of
Speaker 5: times truck scouting.
Speaker 3: A lot of a lot of our time early in
Speaker 3: a trip is truck scouting.
Speaker 5: So just trying to learn, like what crops are around
Speaker 5: and what you know, if there's deer moving to them,
Speaker 5: if we can find trails, even we'll drive, you know,
Speaker 5: like if we don't have a great play, we'll drive
Speaker 5: during Golden hour, you know, just trying to see what
Speaker 5: deer are moving around the area early on and learning
Speaker 5: that way.
Speaker 3: And I'm the same way.
Speaker 5: Like in South Dakota on that buck Truck episode, that
Speaker 5: that spot that I ended up shooting that deer in Basically,
Speaker 5: we showed up a day before the season, right and
Speaker 5: then and we scouted and everything that we had learned
Speaker 5: the year before in that place was.
Speaker 3: Pretty much just dead.
Speaker 5: And so I mean I I basically relocated pretty far
Speaker 5: away and found bucks. This was one of my This
Speaker 5: is one of my spots that I thought was really
Speaker 5: good that I had scouted on on X and.
Speaker 3: Went and found that spot and found deer bedding in there.
Speaker 2: So you phone deer in there, and I think, if
Speaker 2: I remember it, you glass bucks the evening prior, then
Speaker 2: you went back the next morning, glassed some more in
Speaker 2: the morning, and then made play to hunt them that
Speaker 2: following evening. So two nights of glassing and then set
Speaker 2: up to kill the fallow evening. Right.
Speaker 5: Yeah, So I was really I was really torn between
Speaker 5: They were moving kind of north and south, and I
Speaker 5: had two spots I could kind of hunt them on
Speaker 5: that were would be more lateral east and west. Thinking
Speaker 5: about it on this property, and I basically couldn't really
Speaker 5: pick which one. So I decided to hunt from the ground,
Speaker 5: be mobile and just glass and see what came by me,
Speaker 5: and ended up kind of glassing from distance, but I
Speaker 5: thought they would actually come up my way, and so anyway,
Speaker 5: I just I had a different win the next morning,
Speaker 5: but I wanted to get a better look at the
Speaker 5: area I was hoping to find water, and I didn't
Speaker 5: actually wasn't able to see, but the buck I thought,
Speaker 5: the buck that I saw the night before, I thought
Speaker 5: was going to water, and so.
Speaker 3: I tried to get up high and see from a
Speaker 3: different angle. That next morning.
Speaker 5: I couldn't see the water, but I found a buck
Speaker 5: bedded and I just, I mean, I just had a
Speaker 5: really good feeling he was gonna come the tree on
Speaker 5: the east. So I got in that one and he
Speaker 5: was like ten yards, I mean, he's super close.
Speaker 2: So now, how did you know there was water where
Speaker 2: you ended up going in the evening? Did you know
Speaker 2: that from the previous year or did you just scout
Speaker 2: your way in and found that, like, oh, here's the
Speaker 2: water I was hoping would be here.
Speaker 5: There was a there was a drawl in the bottom,
Speaker 5: and I could I was using Tobo lines on on
Speaker 5: X to kind of see, well, it's lower right in there,
Speaker 5: and this buck was heading kind of opposite of where
Speaker 5: I thought he would destinate us for food.
Speaker 3: And and so I was like, the.
Speaker 5: Only reason I think he would do that is because
Speaker 5: there would be water there, and he kind of dropped
Speaker 5: down into the creek, and uh that was I also
Speaker 5: had seen a spike go kind of from a different
Speaker 5: direction in that same area and come out, and I
Speaker 5: didn't know if he was you know, what he was doing.
Speaker 3: So I just it was a big assumption, you know,
Speaker 3: But it ended up.
Speaker 5: The tree I sat in was when we got there,
Speaker 5: the hole was there, and it was like it was
Speaker 5: like may be ten yards long by five yards wide,
Speaker 5: just a water hole in the bottom of the creek
Speaker 5: that it was just a deep spot, you know, hole
Speaker 5: in the creek and it was the only place holding.
Speaker 3: Water right there.
Speaker 2: Primo.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was awesome. I mean it played out just right.
Speaker 3: I was. I was pretty excited for that hunt.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was That was one of those hunts that
Speaker 2: really made you look smart until you weren't.
Speaker 5: But yeah, yeah, to talk about the end of the.
Speaker 2: Story, yeah, but no, one all serious. I remember when
Speaker 2: that all worked out and that buck came, I was like, man,
Speaker 2: that's like the best feeling in the world for Tyler.
Speaker 2: But when you you know, glass them a couple of
Speaker 2: times and then like really think through like how do
Speaker 2: you make this move? How do you make that play?
Speaker 2: And then for it to work out like perfect like
Speaker 2: that that's a good feeling.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it is, man, And a lot of times that
Speaker 5: comes through that like map work still while you're sitting there,
Speaker 5: you know, you really I've been like two hours dialing
Speaker 5: all the spots making sure I had the trees right
Speaker 5: and where I thought that that bucket bedded and everything.
Speaker 5: So I think that's important to you. Don't just want
Speaker 5: to be like, oh, there's a buck bet and I'm
Speaker 5: gonna go over there and kill them, you know, so
Speaker 5: you just make sure that it's done right. Because the
Speaker 5: wind was kind of shady too. So yeah, it's it's fun,
Speaker 5: Like that's the one that gets fun man.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree. Uh yeah, what do you got?
Speaker 3: So?
Speaker 4: I know this is where you interview us and I
Speaker 4: appreciate that, But since Michigan is your home state and
Speaker 4: you have done all this, I would like to know
Speaker 4: can you just kind of give the third person perspective
Speaker 4: on what we said.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, the thing that's unique for me from
Speaker 2: what your situation would be is like you would be
Speaker 2: hunting on a short term time period in a brand
Speaker 2: new place, you know, in my case being local, I
Speaker 2: would just approach it very differently. But I guess like
Speaker 2: if I were to be in your use, and if
Speaker 2: I were traveling up here, and if I were going
Speaker 2: to try to scout and figure out something new in
Speaker 2: southern Michigan, I would do something pretty similar to what
Speaker 2: you said. I would have a lot of east scouting done,
Speaker 2: and then I would show up in that night before,
Speaker 2: for sure, i'd be doing truck scouting. I'd be driving
Speaker 2: around trying to confirm what's the food? Is it what
Speaker 2: I thought it was gonna be? Where's the food? Can
Speaker 2: I see any place that there are some deer, you know,
Speaker 2: coming out and feeding in daylight? Something like that? The
Speaker 2: next morning, I probably wouldn't hunt the first morning, I think,
Speaker 2: you know, unless unless I just saw like a slam
Speaker 2: dunk where I saw like a buck the night before,
Speaker 2: and I felt like very confident for some reason with
Speaker 2: where he was bed, I probably would truck scout again
Speaker 2: in the morning, both to see if I could catch
Speaker 2: anything going back in, and then more importantly though, see
Speaker 2: where the hunters were. I'd really want to see what
Speaker 2: parking lots have got guys and what parking lots don't
Speaker 2: because I think, you know, finding those pockets where there's
Speaker 2: not hunting pressure yet will really make a big difference,
Speaker 2: especially in Michigan on an opening day when there's like literally
Speaker 2: half a million or more hunters going out, maybe not
Speaker 2: quite that, but right in that ballpark, and then you know, midday,
Speaker 2: I would were late morning even I would probably do
Speaker 2: my like slow scout my way into a location to
Speaker 2: hunt for that evening. And the only thing I would
Speaker 2: add to what you said would just be, especially with
Speaker 2: the public land in most places in Michigan that I
Speaker 2: have seen scouted or hunted, water is like the secret
Speaker 2: weapon to getting away from people more often than not,
Speaker 2: like anything that's super swampy, nasty or big bunch of
Speaker 2: creeks and rivers and things like that, that's you know,
Speaker 2: one of the only ways to get get away from
Speaker 2: folks sometimes here. And so i'd really be keying in
Speaker 2: on and you mentioned that a little bit, the swampy
Speaker 2: spots where you can see like trails running through the
Speaker 2: swamps and cattails and stuff. I'd be looking for that,
Speaker 2: but just really keying in on, like what's the wettest
Speaker 2: gnarliest stuff that I wouldn't want to go to, and
Speaker 2: if that could coincide or be near to where I
Speaker 2: also saw some deer feeding in a you know, a
Speaker 2: pocket of green bean still or something like that, that
Speaker 2: would be you know, something that make me feel really
Speaker 2: good about it.
Speaker 3: So that would be all high level. The first week
Speaker 3: of November, I mean October.
Speaker 2: If I were going to pick a week in October
Speaker 2: for a traveling hunt, I don't think i'd pick the
Speaker 2: first week in October. In a Michigan I would take
Speaker 2: the last week in October's, yeah, but but the first
Speaker 2: would be like my second choice, so i'd be you know,
Speaker 2: I would I really like, I really like the first
Speaker 2: like two to three days of October here in the state.
Speaker 2: But that's for like my local properties I know well,
Speaker 2: but I know like the places I know, well, there's
Speaker 2: gonna be a day or two window where you almost
Speaker 2: almost every single year, and if hunt of different places,
Speaker 2: but almost every single year for the last like twelve
Speaker 2: years at least when hunting my opening day, you know,
Speaker 2: hunt in Michigan, the first day or two, you'll have
Speaker 2: an encounter with the target buck the first day or two,
Speaker 2: but then it you know, things change really fast. Stuff
Speaker 2: for that, so speaking opening day, very good segue, and
Speaker 2: thank you Casey for leading me into this wonderful segue,
Speaker 2: because I want to send you guys home. We're gonna
Speaker 2: talk a lot about traveling, but I want to send
Speaker 2: you guys back home to Texas for an opening day question.
Speaker 2: And I don't know if you guys hunt Opening day
Speaker 2: a lot in Texas or if you're traveling during that
Speaker 2: time period, but let's just say this year, you're gonna
Speaker 2: hunt Opening Day in Texas, so the archery opener, hunting
Speaker 2: at home, and same thing. I would imagine that leading
Speaker 2: into opening day, you don't have as much pressure. So
Speaker 2: I'm guessing maybe Texas Bucks would act like Michigan Bucks
Speaker 2: and be relatively active still that first day or two.
Speaker 2: But correct me if I'm wrong. But let's imagine Opening
Speaker 2: Day in Texas is coming poor conditions though, so you've
Speaker 2: got like hotter than usual, so I know it's already
Speaker 2: gonna be hot, but let's say, and maybe you guys
Speaker 2: need to tell me what that has to be. Maybe
Speaker 2: there's not too hot, but in my mind that's uh.
Speaker 4: I mean, if I was gonna guess the high on
Speaker 4: opening day is going to be between ninety three and
Speaker 4: ninety eight.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you did bring it up.
Speaker 4: We do travel for opening I haven't made an opener
Speaker 4: in five years and it kind of hurts my feelings.
Speaker 4: But just because if you go a couple of states north,
Speaker 4: it actually feels like you're deer hunting, you know.
Speaker 3: But we can definitely play along with your scenario for sure.
Speaker 2: Okay, yes, So so hearmor me on this one. Let's
Speaker 2: imagine it's opening day in Texas and you have conditions
Speaker 2: that are so bad that you worry that the dere
Speaker 2: activity might be less than usual. So tell me what
Speaker 2: that would have to be. And then secondly, do you
Speaker 2: make a big swing on the opening evening or opening
Speaker 2: day in Texas if you're hunting locally like I would
Speaker 2: do in Michigan, like I go for a kill on
Speaker 2: the first night because like that's usually a special day,
Speaker 2: special day or two. So if you were local in
Speaker 2: Texas during that time period, would you go for a
Speaker 2: big swing and go for kill on the opener despite
Speaker 2: this condition that are too hot? Or if not, how
Speaker 2: would you approach that first day or two with those
Speaker 2: super hot conditions? And what kind of setup would you
Speaker 2: go for for that kind of hunt, and Tyler, I'm
Speaker 2: going to figure you and you got to go, what
Speaker 2: is this like a.
Speaker 3: Public land deal or what where? We don't ask me
Speaker 3: where are we hunting? Man?
Speaker 2: You're hunting local at home. So you tell me you
Speaker 2: can hunt your private stuff do you have access to
Speaker 2: down there? Or you can hunt public?
Speaker 3: Okay, wherever you would want to hunt, I would I
Speaker 3: would be on private.
Speaker 5: Uh it really, I'd probably be on private if I
Speaker 5: had the choice anywhere, you know.
Speaker 3: But the man like I almost cannot.
Speaker 5: Come up with a scenario on October one or around
Speaker 5: that day whenever we open that I would hunt it
Speaker 5: on and feel good about. I mean, it's just like
Speaker 5: I don't. I can't even water is not reliable. You know,
Speaker 5: we don't have ag. We've got coastal Burguida pastures for
Speaker 5: for for cattle.
Speaker 4: So to me.
Speaker 5: Uh in case, you may have a different idea here.
Speaker 5: But as I'm thinking through this, like my property that
Speaker 5: I hunt in particular that's private in in our area,
Speaker 5: I would probably hope that we have a different wind
Speaker 5: than the predominant wind we usually have, which is in southeast,
Speaker 5: and so I would probably hope for a different win
Speaker 5: than that. But if I get that southeast wind, which
Speaker 5: is what I'm gonna get, if it's like ninety eight
Speaker 5: degrees a little bit hotter than normal, and I'm going
Speaker 5: to hunt in the in the northeast corner of this property,
Speaker 5: on next to the woods, but on the edge by
Speaker 5: the field, because what's gonna happen those deer there, Well,
Speaker 5: as the sun goes down, they're going to come out
Speaker 5: and their mosquitoes are gonna be kind of bad, probably,
Speaker 5: and they're gonna try to find open areas that they
Speaker 5: can get some reprieve and a little bit of breeze maybe,
Speaker 5: and uh, they're gonna walk those edges and just kind
Speaker 5: of browse around and find what they can find in
Speaker 5: the back of those pastures or fields or whatever. Even
Speaker 5: though there's it's not really an AX source, it's just
Speaker 5: they're a creature of edge and they're gonna so I'm
Speaker 5: gonna try to get them coming down. Basically, I'm hind
Speaker 5: the northeast corner of the southeast wind, and I'm hoping
Speaker 5: that they come out on.
Speaker 3: This edge and work east towards me.
Speaker 5: Uh, and my wind just kind of misses them, but
Speaker 5: they feel good about going into a quarter two win
Speaker 5: like that kind of that's my best my best answer there.
Speaker 2: What's that field that they're going on to.
Speaker 5: Well, normally, the like I said, most everything is coastal bermuda,
Speaker 5: so it's just hay, you know, it's like, I mean,
Speaker 5: the deer don't even I don't think they even eat
Speaker 5: the bermuda in it. They eat other forbes that they
Speaker 5: can find, they kind of grow within it. But for
Speaker 5: for this particular field, I'll have I'll have a lot
Speaker 5: of I mean, I don't know what they're exactly browsing,
Speaker 5: but it's basically just wild. It's grown up, it's not
Speaker 5: it used to be cattle pasture and now it's partridge
Speaker 5: p and there's some golden rod, which they don't really eat. Texas,
Speaker 5: We'll have some poke weed and stuff like that that
Speaker 5: they'll neble on. I mean, uh, there'll be blackberries, not
Speaker 5: the berries, but the bush. They'll eat a lot of that.
Speaker 5: So yeah, it just kind of depends on what they
Speaker 5: find out there.
Speaker 3: There's a bunch of different things growing out in that
Speaker 3: field though.
Speaker 4: Case, so I'm gonna hunt private as well, and I'm
Speaker 4: gonna hunt my property because Tyler is gonna be hunt
Speaker 4: his but no, I had never asked.
Speaker 3: He would if I asked him, and I don't. Uh.
Speaker 4: So, my property actually sets up for south winds, which
Speaker 4: is kind of our property is a little bit inverted in.
Speaker 3: The way that they set up.
Speaker 4: So for one, I would be running bait all summer,
Speaker 4: which I'm doing right now. I've got corn on my property,
Speaker 4: uh and so I've got a lot of bucks and
Speaker 4: does coming in and hitting that bait. It's gonna be
Speaker 4: pretty tough to hunt right over the bait. It's kind
Speaker 4: of more of a thing to keep deer on the property.
Speaker 4: So I would probably make sure that that is located
Speaker 4: pretty central property and I can hunt. You're going to it,
Speaker 4: And I would probably still choose in morning because.
Speaker 3: It stays hot late in Texas that time of year.
Speaker 4: But in the mornings you have a chance to have
Speaker 4: a morning in the sixties, you know, like a sixty
Speaker 4: nine or something like that. You know, more than likely
Speaker 4: it's like a lowest seventy five or something, but that's
Speaker 4: still way cooler. So you're gonna have a lot of
Speaker 4: deer movement for an opening morning from sunrise till nine
Speaker 4: ish o'clock and then it's gonna shut down for the
Speaker 4: day until probably the last ten minutes of shooting lot,
Speaker 4: which for me just it's real hard to go sweating
Speaker 4: in a tree stand in the afternoon for four hours
Speaker 4: waiting on that last ten minutes I'm sitting there. And
Speaker 4: along with that, I'm gonna have a pre hung set
Speaker 4: because I'm gonna swept my tail off if I go
Speaker 4: in there and try to hang something. And if it's
Speaker 4: on private, why wouldn't you, Especially if it's your own place,
Speaker 4: you can go up there.
Speaker 3: I mean even you can take the kids.
Speaker 4: And that's another great thing about private on your own property.
Speaker 4: The deer are a lot less sensitive to activity. So
Speaker 4: you know earlier were talking about the stomp around thing.
Speaker 4: I could go back there right now with a fifty
Speaker 4: pounds bag bag of corn and put it out, and
Speaker 4: there'll be a deer on there in twenty minutes, like
Speaker 4: they hear me do it, you know, Like so they're
Speaker 4: just a little bit more you know, comfortable with human intrusion. Now,
Speaker 4: I wouldn't go back there and play music. There's a
Speaker 4: bunch of people around here, yeah exactly. Yeah, So there's
Speaker 4: people around stuff, and you can use that to your
Speaker 4: advantage a little bit. Also, one of the things with
Speaker 4: hunting in a morning, if you're hunting in a we
Speaker 4: live rule, right, but it's it's not a neighborhood, but
Speaker 4: there's houses around here and there people get up and
Speaker 4: get stirren later in the mornings. Then they usually go
Speaker 4: out in the evening and mother grass and make a
Speaker 4: lot of noise, you know. So you also have that
Speaker 4: aspect to it being more peaceful and that you're not
Speaker 4: just being too disturbed.
Speaker 3: So that's kind of my take on the opener.
Speaker 4: Also have a I don't know, it's a real low
Speaker 4: chance to shooting a buck, I think in general, so
Speaker 4: it's probably an.
Speaker 3: Opportunity to shoot a dough uh.
Speaker 4: And I might be thinking about because you didn't restrict
Speaker 4: us to hunting big target bucks, you know, in the conversation,
Speaker 4: I might be thinking about getting that first year of
Speaker 4: the year and just you know, having fun and shooting
Speaker 4: something would probably be the first my primary concern out there.
Speaker 2: So you bring up my next question though, when you
Speaker 2: mentioned your whole plan casey, because you know, being the
Speaker 2: Texas guys, you guys are stuck having to answer these
Speaker 2: kinds of questions. Sorry, but if I told you that
Speaker 2: this year you had to kill a mature buck over bait. Okay,
Speaker 2: how would you do it? When would you do it?
Speaker 2: Where would you do it?
Speaker 4: When you say over bait, you don't mean eating it
Speaker 4: like in his mouth? Right, but just like a deer
Speaker 4: going to bait or like orienting to that.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, so I'll give you some flexibility, should win
Speaker 2: and where?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 2: Yeah? So I want to understand, like, yeah, give me
Speaker 2: basically as full of a picture as you could if
Speaker 2: you have, like that was the only stipulation that you
Speaker 2: can kill, you gotta kill with chure buck, and bait
Speaker 2: has to be like a central part of it. I
Speaker 2: want to all the details of what you would need
Speaker 2: to make that work.
Speaker 3: Are you are you sticking us to our properties or
Speaker 3: what do you.
Speaker 2: You can you can go? You can tell me anywhere
Speaker 2: you could use.
Speaker 3: This okay to work with here?
Speaker 4: Okay, anywhere in the I thought you meant Texas, So
Speaker 4: anywhere that allows baiting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so if you if you'd rather do it in
Speaker 2: Kentucky or Ohio or somewhere else. But basically, what I'm
Speaker 2: trying to get at here is, like you know, for
Speaker 2: people that do use bait, how can they use it better. Like,
Speaker 2: that's what the lesson I'm trying to take from this.
Speaker 2: And I want you guys to paint me a picture
Speaker 2: that will teach someone, you know, a better way to
Speaker 2: do it.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 4: I tell you I'm not gonna actually say a state
Speaker 4: because it's a little bit hard to you know, put
Speaker 4: too much of a spotlight on some places.
Speaker 3: But let's just say like a Midwestern bait state.
Speaker 4: I think that on November sixth, on an evening, if
Speaker 4: you set up sixty or seventy yards down wind of
Speaker 4: that bait, there is a really good shot that that
Speaker 4: that a mature buck knows that those are going to
Speaker 4: go to that bait.
Speaker 3: And so like.
Speaker 4: You, now, this has bitten me in the butt before,
Speaker 4: but Martin, we still have you.
Speaker 3: I lost your video. Okay, sorry, good. This has bit
Speaker 3: me in the butt before.
Speaker 4: Where I set up like fifty yards from a bay
Speaker 4: pall and I had a giant come in and just eat,
Speaker 4: you know, and I couldn't take the shot.
Speaker 3: It was too Indian, too far.
Speaker 4: But I think that your that's kind of the obscurity
Speaker 4: and not the norm. I think that there's a real
Speaker 4: good chance that you have those come in to eat
Speaker 4: the bait and big bucks will be sent checking those does.
Speaker 3: And if you can concentrate them with bait, that's the
Speaker 3: way to do it.
Speaker 5: I would probably say that my key number one tip
Speaker 5: for getting a mature buck killed over bait.
Speaker 3: It's it's very very similar in my way of doing it.
Speaker 5: Probably the casey but and he would do this too,
Speaker 5: but just maybe failed to mention. Hand feeding is like
Speaker 5: the way to do it. I mean, it's it's hard
Speaker 5: to do it. It's a hand feed enough that you
Speaker 5: don't let it go dry, you know.
Speaker 3: But if you can get.
Speaker 5: Out to a spot every other day and throw a
Speaker 5: couple of bags of corn out or whatever it takes,
Speaker 5: I mean a bel alf alpha, however you want to
Speaker 5: do it hand feeding and not having a big feeder
Speaker 5: that's making a bunch of noise and a big you
Speaker 5: know feeder pen and cattle country that just it looks
Speaker 5: like somebody set up a town, you know, in the
Speaker 5: middle of the deer woods. So not having that is
Speaker 5: pretty I think that's a pretty big key to debating situation.
Speaker 2: So so are you saying that it's the the physical like
Speaker 2: feeder that would freak out mature bucks or is it
Speaker 2: the fact that you going in there associates your presence
Speaker 2: with food, and then they're not as wigged out when
Speaker 2: you go and hunt because they're used to someone coming
Speaker 2: in every other day.
Speaker 5: I think it's more about the noise that a feeder
Speaker 5: would make, and some somewhat the visual aspect. I don't
Speaker 5: think it's it's necessarily an association.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 5: It's an association with humans, but not necessarily because they
Speaker 5: hear or see you.
Speaker 3: It's just an odd looking thing on the landscape, you know.
Speaker 4: I also think that if I can add two, that
Speaker 4: the free choice aspect of hand feeding is way better
Speaker 4: than the timed feeder uh situation. And now you will
Speaker 4: feed a lot more so if you're traveling you have
Speaker 4: a deer, least or something that you're feeding on, you're
Speaker 4: gonna have to do the time or thing usually. But
Speaker 4: say if you're if you're feeding locally, man, my dear,
Speaker 4: just I will have so much many more dear on
Speaker 4: my property if I do what Tyler's talking about, put
Speaker 4: corn out on the ground in large quantities.
Speaker 3: But they still it's not like they're they're all day.
Speaker 4: They're still there around deer times, you know, like you
Speaker 4: know the you know the.
Speaker 3: Hour window there after daylight, but they're just more comfortable.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, there you go.
Speaker 3: There's your fuck Cavlie worried.
Speaker 4: Uh They uh, they're just more comfortable just knowing that
Speaker 4: the food source is there as opposed to the It's
Speaker 4: something about just I think that big Bucks know that
Speaker 4: a feeder is unreliable in the sense that maybe something
Speaker 4: already got there and ate the food, so they may
Speaker 4: or may not go there that night.
Speaker 3: But if you have of eight station set up that.
Speaker 4: They just know that there's been food there the last
Speaker 4: ten days, they're they're probably a little bit more apt
Speaker 4: to go there. And also, uh, I could add to
Speaker 4: that as well, if you want bait to be effective,
Speaker 4: you need to hunt it on good winds and hunt
Speaker 4: it really particularly like uh uh, because I mean it's
Speaker 4: just like any other thing that concentrates the deer.
Speaker 3: Like the deer know that and they're going to go
Speaker 3: downwind of it.
Speaker 4: So if your wind is a little off or whatever
Speaker 4: it may be, and you booger one, like, he's not
Speaker 4: going to recover from that quickly.
Speaker 3: He can find something else to eat.
Speaker 2: Yep. Makes sense. Kind of like a food source of
Speaker 2: any kind of food pluck.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, all right, I'm gonna send you back out
Speaker 6: of state, back on the road doing your traveling thing.
Speaker 2: We'll say you're somewhere in that Midwest Ish region and
Speaker 2: you're several days into a hunt, let's say you know,
Speaker 2: three or four, and you've you've kind of been zeroing
Speaker 2: in on the stuff, like you you're figuring it out.
Speaker 2: You've found your spots, kind of like Tyler, you know
Speaker 2: you've found some buck. You scout a couple of nights,
Speaker 2: you realize like, oh man, like I found my kill spot.
Speaker 2: You're heading in for a kill hunt. Like you feel good.
Speaker 2: You got like those little nervous jitters because you're just
Speaker 2: confident that like you're in it. You're getting close to
Speaker 2: your spot, they'll hiking and all of a sudden you
Speaker 2: see fresh boot tracks, like someone there are boot tracks
Speaker 2: here that were not here you know last time you
Speaker 2: walked in, whether it was this morning, the night before
Speaker 2: or whatever. Uh, someone's been in here. Does that change
Speaker 2: your strategy? Do you still go to your spot even
Speaker 2: though there's boot prints like close to where you're planning
Speaker 2: on setting up, or do you push through and do
Speaker 2: your thing regardless of what this person might have done
Speaker 2: or has not done.
Speaker 3: I'm glad he asked you. This is a very good question.
Speaker 5: Mark, You're a good question asker, I'd say, I mean,
Speaker 5: this is this is very like situational dependent.
Speaker 3: Oh you could say that, but.
Speaker 5: I would say so some of the variables, some of
Speaker 5: the variables that you would kind of consider would be
Speaker 5: like how many spots do you have?
Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
Speaker 5: If you don't have very many spots that you feel
Speaker 5: good about, then probably just gonna go ahead and commit
Speaker 5: and see what you see when you get in there.
Speaker 5: You know, I mean, because this guy might have just
Speaker 5: done what you know you wanted to do and burn
Speaker 5: in there real quick and done a quick scouting session.
Speaker 5: It might not a mess anything up too bad. And
Speaker 5: I think so you got to kind of understand, like
Speaker 5: what your backup plans are. You want to have some,
Speaker 5: but you don't always because later in the trip sometimes
Speaker 5: you've already gone through a lot of those and seen
Speaker 5: what actually panned out to be a pretty good spot.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 5: Another thing is like what does the area set up?
Speaker 5: Like are you hunting?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 3: Are you going in there to cottonwood drainage?
Speaker 5: And you know, I don't know Nebraska or North Dakota,
Speaker 5: and there's not really a whole lot of habitat in there,
Speaker 5: and this guy's headed right into the nearest.
Speaker 3: You know, betting hole that you figure is in there.
Speaker 5: You know, I think it's that's that's kind of another
Speaker 5: question you kind of have to answer to to understand
Speaker 5: what your final answer is in this scenario. I think
Speaker 5: I probably tend to, uh continue until I like figure
Speaker 5: out for sure like this dude is in here or
Speaker 5: you know, went right into a spot that was a
Speaker 5: bad spot.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 5: Another thing that you that helps you make that decision
Speaker 5: is we I've gotten really really.
Speaker 3: I don't know, I really consider ground scent pretty heavily now.
Speaker 5: In the last couple of years, I've just I've really
Speaker 5: worked on access a lot as being like a big
Speaker 5: part of uh the hunt for me, and to understand
Speaker 5: how what the best access is and how ground scent
Speaker 5: can really mess up a hunt. Over the last few years,
Speaker 5: I've seen that and and so I'm trying to really
Speaker 5: limit that. So if this guy to me, if he's
Speaker 5: walking you know, on or across a trail that is
Speaker 5: going to be leading to my tree, that's that's an
Speaker 5: issue I'm probably bailing at that point.
Speaker 3: You know, if it's it's a very.
Speaker 2: Fresh boot track, what's you kissy.
Speaker 4: We'll probably are a little more different on this, I guess,
Speaker 4: but not drastically.
Speaker 3: I just am going to lean towards.
Speaker 4: Bouncing, uh, just because I think in most situations, I
Speaker 4: have some other good opportunities that I could go to
Speaker 4: instead of you.
Speaker 3: Know, staying there and just just getting somebody's leftover.
Speaker 4: You know, Like there's a few places that I know
Speaker 4: that I hunt that are pretty forgiving in this stuff,
Speaker 4: and that usually has to do with like it being
Speaker 4: the only food source in for miles, and outside of that,
Speaker 4: I just don't like to go where other people are
Speaker 4: too much, I mean, and it does pay dividends.
Speaker 3: It is more difficult because some places it's hard to find.
Speaker 4: A spot where there's nobody, you know, you can talk
Speaker 4: about like what you're saying there in Michigan, where there's
Speaker 4: you know, half million folks going into the woods that
Speaker 4: you might not find a partialow just doesn't have a
Speaker 4: dude on it. But if if the option is there,
Speaker 4: I'm probably going to try to figure something else out,
Speaker 4: just because I not to discredit the general hunting populace, right.
Speaker 4: I think I'm glad that people are getting out there,
Speaker 4: but I don't trust the guy that was in there
Speaker 4: before me to have made any good decisions. And I
Speaker 4: think that that he might have right, It might have
Speaker 4: been degging Bill Winki in there, you know, but like
Speaker 4: you just have to assume the worst because it's a
Speaker 4: great way to be hunting ghostbucks, you know, yeah, glosses.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, you man, you talk about wasting some time.
Speaker 3: You know, it's there really a bad way to do that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, man, you're right. Even if it is Bill Winkie,
Speaker 2: he sleeps at the base of his tree these days,
Speaker 2: so you know, you don't know what you're gonna get.
Speaker 2: There might be a tent all set up down there, too,
Speaker 2: so watch out for Winkies tracks man like John Rambo.
Speaker 2: All right, So I'm I'm with you guys on that.
Speaker 2: I don't I don't particularly like h like seeing boots
Speaker 2: coming in, but it is situational. Let's uh. I had
Speaker 2: another kind of pressure lay question. But in the interesting time,
Speaker 2: let's speed up and go into November, and I've got
Speaker 2: a specific November question for you guys. Let's let's again
Speaker 2: say you're in the Midwest. I'm gonna put you, like
Speaker 2: in Illinois. You guys hunted there recently and had an
Speaker 2: interesting hunt. Let's say you're back in Illinois, but it's
Speaker 2: November and you discover a spot that's deep in the
Speaker 2: cover that's like a no questions asked big buck hotspot.
Speaker 2: There's a creek running through some tim you can see
Speaker 2: a pretty defined crossing of the creek, and there's betting,
Speaker 2: but it's all around you. Like it's a dynamite pinch
Speaker 2: sort of because you've got this like very defined creek crossing,
Speaker 2: but there's also betting all over the place, so it's
Speaker 2: not like a terrain or it's not a not a
Speaker 2: cover pinch. You can tell, like there's definitely bucks moving
Speaker 2: in here. It's the rut they're gonna be crossing here.
Speaker 2: They're checking these betting areas. It screams out good from
Speaker 2: that standpoint, there's big bucks signing all around. Problem is,
Speaker 2: there just does not seem to be a way to
Speaker 2: hunt this spot without deer winding you because of all
Speaker 2: that cover around you, and because there's betting on both
Speaker 2: sides of the creek and kind of all around, and
Speaker 2: it's a relatively high deer density area. So what do
Speaker 2: you do in that situation? Do you hunt this despite
Speaker 2: that riskiness of the wind and just say, man, it's
Speaker 2: so good, I gotta hunt it and I'll deal with
Speaker 2: the consequences of wind of some does winding merror or whatever?
Speaker 2: Or do you hunt off the hot spot in some
Speaker 2: kind of a way but you have a safer wind.
Speaker 2: What would you do? Tyler?
Speaker 4: Time?
Speaker 2: I just know you, I know, I know you need
Speaker 2: more time.
Speaker 3: Casey, okay, processing exactly. So how big is this betting area?
Speaker 2: Let's say we're talking like this is five six seven
Speaker 2: acres that kind of thing, Like it's a it's five
Speaker 2: acres ish, So that's like a yeah, let's go that
Speaker 2: number for simplicity.
Speaker 3: The pinch. What's creating the pinch.
Speaker 2: It's like a creek crossing. So when I say, when
Speaker 2: I say, I'm not a pinch might have been the
Speaker 2: wrong word, but like there's a there's a funneling effect
Speaker 2: because there's like a one very defined creek crossing. And
Speaker 2: let's say there's like high banks in most other places,
Speaker 2: so this is like there's not like twenty of these
Speaker 2: creek crossings. This is like the creek crossing for quite
Speaker 2: a ways.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Okay, so I learned this growing up fishing like
Speaker 5: Fork in Texas, which is a kind of renowned bass like.
Speaker 3: But the big trees grow by the creek, and.
Speaker 5: The way that I would hunt this, I would probably
Speaker 5: be pretty aggressive and try to get.
Speaker 3: In there, especially considering this is the rut.
Speaker 5: I would try to find a way to make an
Speaker 5: assumption about I always try to assume where the deer
Speaker 5: coming from, even if it's the rut, Like which side
Speaker 5: do I think that these deer coming from, because they
Speaker 5: even in the rut, these they're generally going to relate
Speaker 5: bed to feed at least the dose. And then you
Speaker 5: can make assumptions about if bucks are really amped up
Speaker 5: and they're you know, trying to encounter those go in
Speaker 5: the opposite way, or you know how that works out,
Speaker 5: Like in any scenario, there's a bunch of variables. But
Speaker 5: I would say that that I would hang in one
Speaker 5: of those big trees right over the creek, potentially one
Speaker 5: that hangs out over the creek, and I would let
Speaker 5: my thermal in November a lot of times, supecially if
Speaker 5: you get a high pressure day, which is gonna be
Speaker 5: a good day to hunt November right at dark, you're
Speaker 5: gonna get just a falling thermal and.
Speaker 3: The wind's gonna die, probably more than likely.
Speaker 5: And if that's the case, I would hang out over
Speaker 5: that creek and let my wind just fall into the
Speaker 5: creek and away from that crossing, and I would I
Speaker 5: would shoot the first big buck that comes through in
Speaker 5: the in the the gray hour. But I would also
Speaker 5: say that I'm not afraid to sit in a place
Speaker 5: during the rut where my wind is blowing in a
Speaker 5: pretty shady direction down the trail, because I think a
Speaker 5: lot of times, if you can, if you can make
Speaker 5: a really good assumption about which way that you're traveling,
Speaker 5: a lot of times what you're gonna get is a
Speaker 5: dough with a buck pretty hot on her trail, and
Speaker 5: you just have to make sure you can shoot that
Speaker 5: buck before the dough gets you, or you can rely
Speaker 5: on this and it works. The buck and the dough
Speaker 5: are so just you know, you know, frenzy that they
Speaker 5: don't even they don't even wind you.
Speaker 3: You know, they the DEVI will run through your winds sometimes.
Speaker 3: So it's I mean, the rut is the bast man.
Speaker 3: I love. It's hard to be.
Speaker 2: I like it. Casey, what about you.
Speaker 3: So I like Tyler's answers. I guess I'll just kind
Speaker 3: of have some additions to that.
Speaker 4: Really, if it's really the rut, I think that calling
Speaker 4: can work and say you feel good about.
Speaker 3: This place for a few days.
Speaker 4: Sitting up a little bit off of that and calling
Speaker 4: to deer that are coming through there could be a
Speaker 4: way for you to at least give it a day.
Speaker 4: You know, go in there, try to grunt at a
Speaker 4: big buck who's who's cruising through the creek crossing getting
Speaker 4: to come off of it, and if he won't, then
Speaker 4: the next day go in and burn the tar of
Speaker 4: that thing and just hint it hard.
Speaker 3: But that that is one day. If you want to
Speaker 3: play a little bit more conservative, you can do that.
Speaker 3: It's good idea. Also, access would be a big thing
Speaker 3: for me.
Speaker 4: And uh if you can walk the bottom of the
Speaker 4: creek to get in there, that's gonna.
Speaker 3: Be awesome, because I think that.
Speaker 4: Blowing you in one uh through betting area is one thing,
Speaker 4: but just swiping the whole sap sucker, because you can
Speaker 4: just you know, have to walk in and your wind
Speaker 4: just goes through the whole thing as you're walking. That's
Speaker 4: really bad And stomping through there. It's bad too because
Speaker 4: it's probably fixed. You're gonna make a lot of noise. See,
Speaker 4: you have a lot of that going on as well.
Speaker 4: So if you can get down in the creek to
Speaker 4: get to get your access in, I would feel a
Speaker 4: lot better about that. And then me, being the guy
Speaker 4: who likes mornings, I might like to hunt this on
Speaker 4: a morning because just like Tyler was talking about, I
Speaker 4: love that thermal suck with the cold water, you know,
Speaker 4: and having everything fall down into, you know, the the
Speaker 4: valley as it cools.
Speaker 3: Off in the evening.
Speaker 4: That also can work in the morning though, as everything
Speaker 4: heats up around you, the cold water is gonna still
Speaker 4: kind of hold like a little pocket of air down there,
Speaker 4: and if you can tap into.
Speaker 3: That, you're in really good shape. And also a thing
Speaker 3: I've seen work.
Speaker 4: It's kind of crazy and I almost don't believe it,
Speaker 4: but I think it's a deal that not a lot
Speaker 4: of people talk about, is that if you have a
Speaker 4: really frosty morning, but say it's you know, as soon
Speaker 4: as the sun comes out, it gets above freezing. So
Speaker 4: say you know, it got down to thirty one, but
Speaker 4: sun hits everything and he gets.
Speaker 3: In the forties real quick and it's sunny.
Speaker 4: There is some level of a straight up thermal on
Speaker 4: dead still days that you get from evaporation, and I
Speaker 4: think that this is that scenario just screams that to me.
Speaker 4: If you can get like a November fourth where it's
Speaker 4: just dead calm in the morning and it's frosty, and
Speaker 4: you let that sun come up, like you can just
Speaker 4: have just this lift from the evaporating water vapor that
Speaker 4: just brings all your scent up and maybe out, or
Speaker 4: at least it's going to give you enough of a window,
Speaker 4: you know, to to not have deer just you know,
Speaker 4: two hundred yards away smelling you because there's no there's
Speaker 4: no wind to take it to them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a that's an interesting idea there, and.
Speaker 3: It works.
Speaker 2: No, I like it. I was just thinking through like
Speaker 2: there's all these little things that that that creak gives
Speaker 2: you these advantages I think in a lot of ways too,
Speaker 2: like the thermal effects and the access to effects, and
Speaker 2: that really does help you get away with some things
Speaker 2: in these like heavy cover betting area kind of zones
Speaker 2: that you otherwise might not be able to get away with.
Speaker 2: I've had a few of these myself and this is, uh,
Speaker 2: these are all things I've seen one more situational one,
Speaker 2: and I think we'll get to our rapid fire and
Speaker 2: wrap this sucker up for you. November again, we'll say
Speaker 2: we're pushing a little bit. Let's put you like November tenth,
Speaker 2: and you're out of state. It's day three and on
Speaker 2: the first day when you set up, you or when
Speaker 2: you arrived, you're doing your truck scouting maybe and you
Speaker 2: hung a few cameras in a few like easy to
Speaker 2: get two places like I've seen you Tyler, like hop
Speaker 2: off out of the truck and put a camera on
Speaker 2: the side of the road. Let's say it's something kind
Speaker 2: of like that, like you found some easy to access spots,
Speaker 2: you put up a couple cell cameras. Let's say to
Speaker 2: begin now, it's day three and you've kind of figured
Speaker 2: you're figuring some stuff out. You're finding locations that you
Speaker 2: think will be good. You're kind of finding some rut
Speaker 2: pinch point or betting yar kind of zones, and you're
Speaker 2: you're getting there, but maybe you don't have like the
Speaker 2: spot within the spot on the spot, but you're heading
Speaker 2: somewhere you feel pretty confident with it's the evening hunt.
Speaker 2: You're on your way to the evening hunt, and then
Speaker 2: your phone pings and you get the cell camera upload
Speaker 2: from the day previous and you get daylight pictures of
Speaker 2: a shooter buck elsewhere, like somewhere that's not where you're headed.
Speaker 2: How do you factor this new piece of intel into
Speaker 2: your hunting strategy? Does it change what you're doing that night?
Speaker 2: Does it change what you're doing the next day at all?
Speaker 2: Or is one single daylight photo over shooter buck not
Speaker 2: enough for you to do something with that case, you
Speaker 2: get to go first because you are equal with Tyler
Speaker 2: in my favorite rankings.
Speaker 3: We're just on the same plane.
Speaker 4: Thanks Mark. Let me think about this. So, first of all,
Speaker 4: I think it's funny that you said, like yesterday's stelf
Speaker 4: on stuff uploads, because I guess.
Speaker 3: Twenty four hours is the delineator of like what's ethical
Speaker 3: and what's not.
Speaker 2: Is that what you're saying, Well, that's just what I do,
Speaker 2: but some people do it to me. But I'm just saying, like,
Speaker 2: but we'll roll with that.
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, but.
Speaker 2: You could tell me. But you could tell me like
Speaker 2: if you have it on timely or instant and you
Speaker 2: get an instant picture like right then what you would do.
Speaker 3: Quite a bit or every three hours or so.
Speaker 4: But I don't actually let it determine my moves right away,
Speaker 4: like hardly ever, except for on hogs, which is we're
Speaker 4: not talking about right so we're talking about white tail.
Speaker 3: One daylight picture.
Speaker 4: That means that but cruised through, he didn't hang out,
Speaker 4: he didn't check a scrape, he didn't tend to go there.
Speaker 4: I would This is a little bit location dependent, but
Speaker 4: let's just say we're kind of like in the Midwest,
Speaker 4: and uh, do your covering ground.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 4: I would probably just use that as an indicator as
Speaker 4: to the time of day that I think bucks may
Speaker 4: be on their feet, and I'm.
Speaker 3: Probably wouldn't let it affect my decis to go hunt
Speaker 3: that particular buck at that place.
Speaker 4: Too much, except for I'm gonna kind of just pretty
Speaker 4: much rewrite what I just said. I know he's in
Speaker 4: the area, and that means a lot to me, so
Speaker 4: like I'm not I'm not gonna go and think that
Speaker 4: I'm gonna go set up and hunt him that exact
Speaker 4: pattern for the next day.
Speaker 3: In fact, this happened for me in Oklahoma this past year.
Speaker 4: It wasn't it was like three days, but three days
Speaker 4: before I had the picture of the deer I killed
Speaker 4: in Oklahoma, had a picture of him at night even
Speaker 4: I believe it was or maybe it was real late
Speaker 4: or something, and we're actually were having a slow hunt,
Speaker 4: and uh, that gave me the confidence to just know
Speaker 4: that that deer does live in that area, he's there,
Speaker 4: like he's he's not super far away, and went in
Speaker 4: there on a first time set and killed him and
Speaker 4: on a morning whenever he was there, like I think
Speaker 4: it was like eleven thirty pm, you know, or something
Speaker 4: like that.
Speaker 3: So it's almost like the picture of the buck just
Speaker 3: lets me know.
Speaker 4: That he's still alive and that he is in the area,
Speaker 4: and then I still just make the best hunting decision
Speaker 4: I can at that moment.
Speaker 3: So, like.
Speaker 4: I guess your scenario was, you're going into a place
Speaker 4: you feel good about, but then you see that there
Speaker 4: was a deer yesterday at another place. If I feel
Speaker 4: I felt good about my spot, there's a reason I'm
Speaker 4: there in the first place, right, And I didn't choose
Speaker 4: the other place because I didn't feel as good about it.
Speaker 4: So you probably shouldn't let it rewrite what you're doing.
Speaker 4: For that evening, just because something else happened yesterday at
Speaker 4: the other place that was a little convoluted. I didn't
Speaker 4: really have a lot of direction, but I did the
Speaker 4: whole just talk my thoughts like you asked for.
Speaker 2: So that's perfect.
Speaker 4: And just the gist of it is that I would
Speaker 4: continue on with the plan if I felt good about it,
Speaker 4: and that was the scenario, like if there's if you're
Speaker 4: a number one spot, is your ain't number one spot,
Speaker 4: and all the conditions are set up right for it,
Speaker 4: then go hunt.
Speaker 3: That because it's the rut and it's gonna be good.
Speaker 2: Trust it. Yeah, I like it? How about you, Tyl?
Speaker 5: I would say November tenth is one of my favorite,
Speaker 5: maybe my favorite date.
Speaker 3: You killed the buck on remember tenth? I killed the
Speaker 3: nameless on November tenth. Yeah, I killed a big one.
Speaker 5: My biggest year. I killed on the eleventh. But I
Speaker 5: like the tenth a lot, which I don't. I don't
Speaker 5: hunt the upper Upper Midwest much, you know, so it's
Speaker 5: probably different and it's just a long way from home,
Speaker 5: so we don't ever make it up to you know,
Speaker 5: weird places like Michigan too often, but.
Speaker 2: We I love welcome.
Speaker 3: I was there this summer.
Speaker 5: Actually it's great, great, save you a great sea anyway.
Speaker 2: Didn't even go fishing.
Speaker 5: So I, like I said, I like the tenth a
Speaker 5: lot because I think it's one of the most rage
Speaker 5: rout rage days of the whole year.
Speaker 3: I feel like in a lot of the places I hunt.
Speaker 5: And so with that in mind, seeing that picture is
Speaker 5: not really gonna divert my plan.
Speaker 3: In fact, I'm with case.
Speaker 5: It's almost like if I have a plan, I'm headed somewhere,
Speaker 5: I'm not divert diverting from that for any sort of
Speaker 5: positive influence. Really it's it would only be for a
Speaker 5: negative influence, like the Winkie's track being in there.
Speaker 3: You know. So I feel like that it's not gonna
Speaker 3: divert me.
Speaker 5: And I would just make a note that the reason
Speaker 5: cell cams are are are great, but just trail cameras
Speaker 5: in general are a big part of what we do
Speaker 5: that just helps us to learn more about like like
Speaker 5: I can't tell you how many times that I'm able
Speaker 5: to or either one of us.
Speaker 3: I mean, like the story he just mentioned, or able
Speaker 3: to kill a deer.
Speaker 5: Not necessarily where the trail camera was, but because we
Speaker 5: had photos of him at a certain time, especially like
Speaker 5: night photos. We'll get night photos a lot because we're
Speaker 5: running and setting a camera right next to the.
Speaker 3: Road and hiding it, you know, down low in the
Speaker 3: grass or something, and they're easy to check.
Speaker 5: So it's a it's a time efficiency thing. But you
Speaker 5: know you're gonna get get dark pictures. But then that's
Speaker 5: when you start making assumptions about betting and and also
Speaker 5: like you know, uh, deer density assumptions for that property
Speaker 5: or that area as well. So you know, the one
Speaker 5: buck is not really gonna fire me up, even if
Speaker 5: it's a monster, a monster mind, but yeah, he's not
Speaker 5: gonna he's not gonna like, uh, one thirty walking through
Speaker 5: there is probably not gonna really change a whole lot
Speaker 5: for me. But if you know, a one oh five
Speaker 5: and two, when thirties walk through there within like a
Speaker 5: four or five day window.
Speaker 3: I might start thinking about what's going on over there,
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 5: So it really is more that those trail cameras uh
Speaker 5: allow us to think about areas that maybe we weren't
Speaker 5: one hundred percent sure about.
Speaker 3: I mean, they're just the eyes when we're not there,
Speaker 3: you know, Mark, I want to change my answer if
Speaker 3: a one ninety is on there the day before I'm
Speaker 3: going to the other place. I'm gonna make it, you know,
Speaker 3: like it's kind of a joke, but it is true.
Speaker 4: I mean, there's hardly anyone who is solely motivated for
Speaker 4: me when he comes to Honting, right, I mean, there's
Speaker 4: a ton of motivations. It's the experience, it's the camaraderie.
Speaker 4: It's absolutely for me. I love big giant bucks with
Speaker 4: big antlers. I think they're the coolest animal on the planet,
Speaker 4: or one of them. Right, So if if there's a
Speaker 4: world class deer on the other camera, I'm probably changing
Speaker 4: my plan, but otherwise stick with your answer.
Speaker 2: So then that brings up though another follow up kind
Speaker 2: of as Tyler was describing his thought process there, I
Speaker 2: do wonder like, what would get you, guys, other than
Speaker 2: it being a mega giant, what would get you to
Speaker 2: change that answer? So, same exact scenario. But now if
Speaker 2: I told you that there were two different mature Bucks
Speaker 2: that showed up in daily that evening, is that enough
Speaker 2: or would it take three? So if you saw three
Speaker 2: different mature Bucks come through the same place in the
Speaker 2: same evening, would that be enough to be like, oh,
Speaker 2: there's something like, what would that be? Is there a number?
Speaker 2: Is there a threshold for both of you?
Speaker 5: Two is two is definitely something to kind of raise
Speaker 5: your eyebrow about. I mean it's like two, you're starting
Speaker 5: to make some considerations. Especially man, if you if you
Speaker 5: do get the truck camera picture that is a scrape
Speaker 5: over a scrape, and it's it's you know, like if
Speaker 5: it's just uh, if you just got this thing on
Speaker 5: a fence post in like a low spot that.
Speaker 3: Goes uh, you know, by the road or whatever.
Speaker 5: I may not do that, but if you're in a
Speaker 5: spot that like you could hang pretty close to that
Speaker 5: camera and potentially kill them, uh, you know, over a
Speaker 5: scrape or something like that, that just kind of gives
Speaker 5: you a few more signals as to what's going on.
Speaker 3: Then that that makes a difference for sure.
Speaker 5: And I think I think definitely I would start thinking
Speaker 5: about it if two did that in one night, Yeah.
Speaker 4: I would want to know how closely were time wise too,
Speaker 4: I think that would make a difference. Yeah, yeah, And
Speaker 4: if they were hitting the same direction, if there was
Speaker 4: a dough on camera right before that, because in my mind,
Speaker 4: the first scenari that pops up is like, oh, hot
Speaker 4: Dough went through because this actually happened in Oklahoma. There
Speaker 4: was like three bucks that were all shooters within like
Speaker 4: a forty five minute period on a camera. I don't
Speaker 4: even think we were in state at the time when
Speaker 4: that happened, but it was like, Wow, something happened that
Speaker 4: day that was wild.
Speaker 3: And so I think that if you.
Speaker 4: Want to capitalize on like that concentration of bucks, you
Speaker 4: absolutely have to go in there because they're not going
Speaker 4: to do that. They're they're aggressive, right, They're not territorial,
Speaker 4: but like they're gonna work out that pecking order within
Speaker 4: the first couple of days that all three bucks happened
Speaker 4: to be in the same core area, So it might
Speaker 4: be a time when you're like, Okay, these guys are
Speaker 4: feeling frisky, let's go in there and do some aggressive
Speaker 4: calling and kill one of them.
Speaker 2: Yep, yep. Yeah, that would definitely make it more interesting
Speaker 2: when you've got multiple bucks doing the same thing. Yeah,
Speaker 2: all right, so rapid fire here. I'm going to ask
Speaker 2: you guys a series of questions and you can only
Speaker 2: answer like the one word answer. I'm going to give
Speaker 2: you no explanation, and I want you to say the
Speaker 2: answers at the exact same time, so it'll be like playing.
Speaker 2: It'll be like, you know, paper scissors rock kind of,
Speaker 2: but you'll both say the answer at the same time.
Speaker 3: Okay, is that really worded?
Speaker 2: How do you say it? You know that sounds that
Speaker 2: does some better? That sounds right. I think I'm just
Speaker 2: I think I'm just I'm thrown off here.
Speaker 4: Hey dude, I'm like thankful to no guy that can
Speaker 4: like reorder the words on the make.
Speaker 3: It work like.
Speaker 2: I'm a little different. All right, all right, So are
Speaker 2: you guys ready? Yep, all right, And I know the
Speaker 2: answers to some of these for you guys, but for
Speaker 2: the sake of the audience, give me your your your answer,
Speaker 2: same time. One word. Here we go. Would you take
Speaker 2: a fifty yard shot at a white tail with your bow?
Speaker 2: Yes or no? Yes? If you could only it's pretty
Speaker 2: funny here and you guys synchronized like that. If you
Speaker 2: could only have one of these, one of these tools
Speaker 2: for the rest of your hunts, for the rest of
Speaker 2: your days. You have to pick rattling antlers or grunt
Speaker 2: tube which she picks hm hm expandable or fixed blade
Speaker 2: expandable or fixed blade broadheads, A hard time, not just
Speaker 2: like envisioning you two goofballs in the truck looking at
Speaker 2: each other and last to do this. Should you stop
Speaker 2: a buck with some kind of sound before shooting with
Speaker 2: a bow? Yes or no.
Speaker 4: Question?
Speaker 2: You gotta yes or no.
Speaker 3: It's not answer no question, but I just gotta give
Speaker 3: just you know, just thank the questions that.
Speaker 2: Yes, all right? Does the moon matter to deer movement? Yes?
Speaker 4: Or no?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 2: If you could, if you could only hunt mornings or
Speaker 2: evenings for this entire coming season, so you got to
Speaker 2: you can only get one of the other take mornings
Speaker 2: or evenings.
Speaker 3: Mornings? Can you even tell who's answering? Kind of okay,
Speaker 3: I'm a heating guy.
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, now this is less of a rapid
Speaker 2: fire question. You guys can explain yourselves a little bit
Speaker 2: on this, but but keep it kind of short. I
Speaker 2: rule the world. I'm in control of your hunting fate.
Speaker 2: Maybe you guys know this one. I'm gonna take away
Speaker 2: your hunting rights and privileges for the rest of your
Speaker 2: life unless you kill a mature buck this year. So
Speaker 2: you gotta kill a mature buck this year.
Speaker 3: Well about Michigan mature because you said that and a half.
Speaker 2: You gotta you gotta kill. I'm gonna tell you a
Speaker 2: four and a half year old buck or older.
Speaker 3: Okay, all right.
Speaker 2: And here's the trick though, is you only get one
Speaker 2: day to do it, and you only have one stand site,
Speaker 2: like one location. So what I need you each to
Speaker 2: tell me is pick the date on the calendar you're
Speaker 2: gonna select for this one hunt, and then describe to
Speaker 2: me the setup you would choose for this very high
Speaker 2: stakes hunt. I have my I'm gonna throw it, and
Speaker 2: you got a minute or so to give me your explanation.
Speaker 3: Okay, all right?
Speaker 5: So I would I would go head to shoot a
Speaker 5: mature buck four and a half, right, four and a half?
Speaker 3: Man, If I if you were gonna take my privileges,
Speaker 3: I need to guarantee, so.
Speaker 5: I I would go probably some more south of Correzo Springs, Texas,
Speaker 5: and I would hunt. I would hunt some sort of corn,
Speaker 5: whether it's uh. They have feeders that go on trucks
Speaker 5: and they'll feed in entire cindaro, like a thousand yards
Speaker 5: or whatever, and then they'll turn around.
Speaker 3: There will be some deer that come out, you know,
Speaker 3: depending on if they're used.
Speaker 5: To that, which a lot of those ranches down their
Speaker 5: feet a lot, but either that or a feeder, and
Speaker 5: I would shoot a I'd probably shoot like maybe like
Speaker 5: a two seventy or something like a like a deer rifle,
Speaker 5: you know what I mean. I would shoot them with
Speaker 5: a riffle, and I would shoot the most popability dear
Speaker 5: I could find near the corn.
Speaker 3: And that that's how I do. It's it's freaking oh
Speaker 3: they December, uh, December Colley. That's a tough one. Twentieth
Speaker 3: I've never gotten that answer before.
Speaker 2: That is a brand new one. So you guys, you
Speaker 2: texta guys, give a new perspective. What about you?
Speaker 3: Kis? I mean that is about My answer is to
Speaker 3: hunt us. Uh.
Speaker 4: You know one of those tower blinds in South Texas
Speaker 4: that you get to look at five scenarios and I
Speaker 4: probably would shoot seven mag because that's what I have.
Speaker 4: But you I would want a powerful deer offle so
Speaker 4: that you know you're going to kill them, good range,
Speaker 4: flat trajectory. And I would pick December fourteenth because it's
Speaker 4: my birthday. That's the only that's the only other difference
Speaker 4: I think that I would have in there. But I mean, uh,
Speaker 4: you want to talk about mature deer per square miles.
Speaker 4: There's probably not a better place in the country, and
Speaker 4: you're giving us budget to have private.
Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, you filled in the blanks. The are
Speaker 2: to help yourself out, which is fair. All right, guys,
Speaker 2: Well you you made it to the gauntlet. I think
Speaker 2: you guys would have would have kept your privileges. I
Speaker 2: believe in your in your strategy.
Speaker 5: So well then you know, and i'd say that like
Speaker 5: if it was it was for hunting privileges. I mean,
Speaker 5: it's been like an entire year's salary on that thing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so you do what you got to do. Definitely,
Speaker 3: it's yeah, it's within the budget for that kind of.
Speaker 2: H Well, this is fun. I especially enjoy the rapid
Speaker 2: fire imagining what it looked like in the truck with
Speaker 2: you guys. Yeah, if only if only we had the
Speaker 2: video for that part. But real quick, real quick, guys.
Speaker 2: Uh for folks listen at home, when can they see
Speaker 2: the final couple episodes of Buck Truck. Where can they
Speaker 2: see that? And is there anything particular we've got to
Speaker 2: look forward to the Restless Fall As far as content
Speaker 2: coming out from the Element in your team.
Speaker 3: Oh, the for sure.
Speaker 4: The episode with Mark Kenyon and Texas is going to
Speaker 4: be uh you know, fan favorite for the Wired US too.
Speaker 3: It was a lot of fun and so I'm excited.
Speaker 3: I don't remember those dates for sure, but I've got
Speaker 3: the dates now.
Speaker 5: As Mark knows, this could change, right yes, September seventh
Speaker 5: is a buck Truck episode with old Clay Nukelem and
Speaker 5: our episode with you Mark where we decided against putting
Speaker 5: Chili's in your sweet teeth.
Speaker 3: Uh, just on that One's good. Oh yeah, we gotta
Speaker 3: we gotta tell that story before. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 3: October twenty sixth looks like sweet.
Speaker 5: Uh yeah, that's gonna those are two episodes will be
Speaker 5: on the med Eater YouTube channel, and then we will
Speaker 5: be putting out Element stuff on the Element YouTube channel,
Speaker 5: just kind of as we go and fill in.
Speaker 3: I mean, I think we're out hunting right now.
Speaker 5: So uh, you'll probably be seeing some videos from this
Speaker 5: season on the Element channel in August, starting in August,
Speaker 5: so yeah, that's I mean, you find us on Instagram
Speaker 5: and all the all the good places. Uh, Mark, I
Speaker 5: just want to say, man, it's uh, I know you
Speaker 5: get told this a lot and it probably like doesn't
Speaker 5: really strike you, but like, uh it is an honor
Speaker 5: to be on your podcast, to be interviewed and to
Speaker 5: be able to just kind of give our insights man,
Speaker 5: because there's so many people that have listened to your
Speaker 5: podcast over years, man, and uh, it is the premiere
Speaker 5: whitetail hunting podcast.
Speaker 3: Man. I appreciate what you do and I appreciate your
Speaker 3: friendship a lot. Man.
Speaker 2: Well, thank you for saying that right back at you. Guys.
Speaker 2: It's uh if we're if we're blowing smoke off talons,
Speaker 2: I'll keep it going. And to say, it's been really
Speaker 2: fun to see your guys' journey and evolution too. And
Speaker 2: I'm very very glad that you chose to team up
Speaker 2: with us at Wired Hunting Mediator and it's been great
Speaker 2: to have you part of the crew. And uh hey,
Speaker 2: speaking of which, just to tease, coming up very very
Speaker 2: soon after this episode airs, will be the kickoff of
Speaker 2: another season of ret Fresh Radio, which is our weekly
Speaker 2: Dear Activity Report that you two started hosting for us
Speaker 2: last year and we'll continue this year. So yeah that
Speaker 2: when this one airs, it'll only be like a week
Speaker 2: or two out from that kicking off, So get ready
Speaker 2: for ret Fresh coming soon.
Speaker 3: All right, Man, I am ready to be real fresh. Hey,
Speaker 3: when's the when does the one week stuff come out?
Speaker 2: Man?
Speaker 3: Can we talk about that?
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's supposed to kick off really soon too. I
Speaker 2: think August twenty ninth is what I heard about the
Speaker 2: first episode, so as you mentioned, who knows, but last
Speaker 2: I heard that's when it's supposed to kick off. So
Speaker 2: we'll be getting into one week in November here shortly.
Speaker 3: All right, all right, mark rapid fire for you.
Speaker 2: You got, you got one question. Then I got to
Speaker 2: run another meeting.
Speaker 4: Who has a better chance of making the college football playoffs?
Speaker 4: Sparti or Michigan?
Speaker 2: Ah Man, I hate to say this because I love
Speaker 2: Michigan State and I hate University of Michigan, but Michigan
Speaker 2: State's football situation does not look good right now. We
Speaker 2: had our starting quarterback the last two years, transferred out,
Speaker 2: our number one wide receiver, transferred out, a lot of
Speaker 2: question marks across the line. So I'm gonna say University
Speaker 2: of Michigan has a much better chance as much as
Speaker 2: I help them.
Speaker 4: Out with the Manilo deals or something. Who gets some
Speaker 4: recruits in there, bro, that's it.
Speaker 2: If you guys, if you guys can help us make
Speaker 2: these podcasts go viral or something. Maybe we'll finally get
Speaker 2: the payday we've been asking for and we could do that.
Speaker 4: They would just start hitting the record button before we act,
Speaker 4: They tell us, then that's true.
Speaker 2: That would have done it today. All right, guys, thank
Speaker 2: you again. Hey, yeah, thanks Mark, all right, and that'll
Speaker 2: do it for us today. Thank you for tuning in.
Speaker 2: I appreciate it. A couple of quick updates for you
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Speaker 2: that this time of year are particularly important to get
Speaker 2: primed and ready for the hunting season coming up. They've
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Speaker 2: then finally, make sure you follow Wired to Hunt on Instagram.
Speaker 2: That's where you're going to see some of my more
Speaker 2: personal stories, updates from my hunts, things along those lines.
Speaker 2: So check it all out. Appreciate you, good luck in
Speaker 2: these final days leading into hunting season, and until next time,
Speaker 2: stay Wired to Hunt.