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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. This week on

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Speaker 2: the show, I'm running Tyler Jones and ca C Smith

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Speaker 2: what would you do Gauntlet series in which we're running

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Speaker 2: our guests through a bunch of different hypothetical deer hunting

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Speaker 2: scenarios to see what they would do and why they

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Speaker 2: would do it, how they'd handle these challenging deer hunting

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Speaker 2: situations and the thought process that would lead them to

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Speaker 2: a good decision. And today's guests are folks who hopefully

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Speaker 2: you are familiar with. We've got Tyler Jones and k C. Smith.

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Speaker 2: They're the hosts of the Element YouTube channel, the Buck

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Speaker 2: Truck series over on our media or YouTube channel, and

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Speaker 2: as of last year, hosts of our Fresh Radio mini series,

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Speaker 2: so hopefully you're listening to that. Each hunting season, we

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Speaker 2: get weekly updates from the field, and Casey and Tyler

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Speaker 2: are helping us do that here. This coming season again

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Speaker 2: can be getting updates and reports from deer hunters all

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Speaker 2: over the country. So that's what you have to look

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Speaker 2: forward to starting in September. But today they have a

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Speaker 2: good time with me as we talk through some interesting hunting,

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Speaker 2: you know situations. That's the game plan, talking to Casey

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Speaker 2: and Tyler talking deer, getting everything from public land advice

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Speaker 2: to you know, things related to every phase of the season.

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Speaker 2: We talk the rut we talked early season. We talk

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Speaker 2: how to deal with adversity. We even talk about using bait,

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Speaker 2: which is the thing they've done here and there, as

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Speaker 2: well as chasing big deer on totally DIY public land

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Speaker 2: spots and brand new territories. So I think there's gonna

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Speaker 2: be a little bit something here for everyone. I thoroughly

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Speaker 2: enjoyed this one. They are their fun crew and very

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Speaker 2: very good deer hunters. If you've not seen their hunts

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Speaker 2: over on YouTube, whether it be on the Mediator channel

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Speaker 2: or their channel, you should because they get it done

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Speaker 2: in a wide array of situations and they've got a

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Speaker 2: lot to share that we can all learn from. So,

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Speaker 2: without any further ado, let's get into our latest episode

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Speaker 2: from our what would You Do? Series with Tyler Jones

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Speaker 2: and Casey Smith of The Element. The Gauntlet's gonna begin

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Speaker 2: in Michigan, Okay, my home state of Michigan. Because you

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Speaker 2: guys came up a while back and you did your

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Speaker 2: whole scouting series, right, you guys did some scouting and

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Speaker 2: check some stuff out, So I want to imagine, I

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Speaker 2: want us to imagine if you guys were to take

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Speaker 2: that a step further. So Let's say you had to

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Speaker 2: come back up here to my home state and you

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Speaker 2: were gonna hunt, and we'll say it's going to be

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Speaker 2: an October hunt. What I'm curious is if we stuck

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Speaker 2: you've got one week to hunt in October. You're on

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Speaker 2: gonna your season is gonna be. How would you go

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Speaker 2: about scouting and learning that property leading into the hunt,

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Speaker 2: And what would the first day of that hunt look like?

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Speaker 3: Given all that, did we get to choose any uh?

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Speaker 3: Seven week stretch in October? Is that what you're giving us?

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Speaker 3: The option to day seven day?

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Speaker 3: Week, Uh, are you going? I would say I would

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Speaker 4: I think so that helps, I'll go ahead and kind

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Speaker 4: I'm a lot different than a lot of people in

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Speaker 3: Corn or whatever. Maybe and maybe maybe it's a bird

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Speaker 4: I like the concept of going in early in the

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Speaker 3: So that first week of October works really good for that.

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Speaker 4: And you know, I guess to go a little deeper

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Speaker 3: When's the first frost date in southern Michigan.

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Speaker 4: Okay, so that's gonna probably make a difference on what

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Speaker 4: pronounce it correctly for Michigan and ers, but acorns will

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Speaker 4: right so, and it might be like some early dropping

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Speaker 4: also Michigan has like a September tween opener or is

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Speaker 3: One or what is it?

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Speaker 4: So again I think that that lends itself to some

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Speaker 3: Uh, it's a it's a pretty good process. I think,

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Speaker 3: what kind of scouting are you talking about? The East

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm curious about both. So so I was gonna

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Speaker 2: ask case if if that means he would not do

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Speaker 4: Uh? You you probably know my answer because you know me.

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Speaker 4: But I'm gonna he's got a ton on this stuff.

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Speaker 4: In fact way more, I don't like to stomp stuff

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Speaker 4: of when I'm gonna hunt, I just stay out of there.

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Speaker 4: I don't want to be in there messing around. And

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Speaker 4: Almost like a chaos theory type deal. You know, it's

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Speaker 4: just you know, if you're say you show up a

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Speaker 3: And in this sense, I would be looking for proximity

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Speaker 4: I'd be using like that on X layer that shows

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Speaker 4: you crop rotation stuff. And the big thing in Michigan,

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Speaker 4: area pretty often crossing those swamps. In fact, that's one

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Speaker 4: of the things we used on scouting series was beer

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Speaker 3: Uh, you know, Betting Islands, and uh.

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Speaker 4: It seemed to be pretty productive. And I would so, yeah,

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Speaker 4: that makes me feel way more confident. I mean, even

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Speaker 4: you know, like there's still a chance that he's in

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Speaker 3: He was hanging out with this summer, and I mean

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Speaker 4: They're all shooters, right, so, uh, he's small danger according

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Speaker 4: to your boys, they say small ones.

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Speaker 2: What would you what would you do, Tyler? Would you

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Pretty similar? We you know, he and I spend

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Speaker 5: similarities in this. I'd probably add, like, I'm looking at

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Speaker 5: I would I would definitely try to hypothesize the betting

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Speaker 5: which just isn't. But I think another thing I would

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Speaker 5: most of the corn is still in, is that correct

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Speaker 5: So I would try to stay away from corn. I

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Speaker 5: think there looks like there's a lot of alfalfa in

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Speaker 5: the area, and I would I would hunt that just because.

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Speaker 3: Corn that's in just makes things so difficult.

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Speaker 5: Man like you, just because your whole bed to feed

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Speaker 5: pattern gets thrown off in a situation like that. So

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Speaker 5: I don't like that because really, I mean, you can

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Speaker 3: Kind of play both sides of the coin.

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Speaker 5: There, but you're just you don't know where to blow

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Speaker 2: So this brings up a larger question that I've kind

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Speaker 5: Man, I like to be able to hunt even if

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Speaker 4: You know, you bring up a good point about if

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Speaker 3: So like I usually categorize my stuff like a through.

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Speaker 4: F as far as like places to bounce and go

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Speaker 4: So that's probably one situation where I might stomp something.

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Speaker 5: I would say that the rut, though, is the time

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Speaker 4: You're almost not stomping it up though, You're almost just

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Speaker 3: Weird things can happen.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, So uh, another time that I might do just

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Speaker 3: But all that said, I never have done that with success.

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Speaker 4: So but it's still just because I haven't had success

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Speaker 2: See, you guys brought up something that I want to

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Speaker 3: Uh? I thought you gave me a little finger down

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Speaker 3: I can go what happened about breaking?

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Speaker 2: What's what's the finger thing?

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Speaker 4: I was like I thought I thought it was like

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Speaker 3: Weird how observing he is, but he doesn't like.

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Speaker 3: That's just It's just it, unless it's.

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Speaker 4: A rut hunt where it's like the raging rut and

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Speaker 3: These these deer are probably on a pretty good pattern. Uh.

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Speaker 4: And I don't see deer or a good sign, man,

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Speaker 3: Now I might have been in the same area, but

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Speaker 4: But I don't think I ever hung in the same

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm pretty similar.

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Speaker 5: I mean I gotta see, Like most of the time,

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Speaker 5: So just trying to learn, like what crops are around

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Speaker 3: Pretty much just dead.

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Speaker 5: And so I mean I I basically relocated pretty far

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Speaker 3: Went and found that spot and found deer bedding in there.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, So I was really I was really torn between

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Speaker 5: actually wasn't able to see, but the buck I thought,

440
00:21:47,240 --> 00:21:48,760
Speaker 5: the buck that I saw the night before, I thought

441
00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:49,800
Speaker 5: was going to water, and so.

442
00:21:51,359 --> 00:21:53,240
Speaker 3: I tried to get up high and see from a

443
00:21:53,240 --> 00:21:54,520
Speaker 3: different angle. That next morning.

444
00:21:54,560 --> 00:21:56,280
Speaker 5: I couldn't see the water, but I found a buck

445
00:21:56,320 --> 00:21:58,720
Speaker 5: bedded and I just, I mean, I just had a

446
00:21:58,720 --> 00:22:01,159
Speaker 5: really good feeling he was gonna come the tree on

447
00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:03,679
Speaker 5: the east. So I got in that one and he

448
00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:06,240
Speaker 5: was like ten yards, I mean, he's super close.

449
00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:10,520
Speaker 2: So now, how did you know there was water where

450
00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:12,239
Speaker 2: you ended up going in the evening? Did you know

451
00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:14,040
Speaker 2: that from the previous year or did you just scout

452
00:22:14,040 --> 00:22:15,679
Speaker 2: your way in and found that, like, oh, here's the

453
00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:17,000
Speaker 2: water I was hoping would be here.

454
00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:19,920
Speaker 5: There was a there was a drawl in the bottom,

455
00:22:20,280 --> 00:22:23,480
Speaker 5: and I could I was using Tobo lines on on

456
00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:27,159
Speaker 5: X to kind of see, well, it's lower right in there,

457
00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:31,560
Speaker 5: and this buck was heading kind of opposite of where

458
00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:33,720
Speaker 5: I thought he would destinate us for food.

459
00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:36,280
Speaker 3: And and so I was like, the.

460
00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:38,200
Speaker 5: Only reason I think he would do that is because

461
00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:40,760
Speaker 5: there would be water there, and he kind of dropped

462
00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:44,560
Speaker 5: down into the creek, and uh that was I also

463
00:22:44,560 --> 00:22:46,800
Speaker 5: had seen a spike go kind of from a different

464
00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:48,960
Speaker 5: direction in that same area and come out, and I

465
00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:51,320
Speaker 5: didn't know if he was you know, what he was doing.

466
00:22:51,359 --> 00:22:52,960
Speaker 3: So I just it was a big assumption, you know,

467
00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:53,760
Speaker 3: But it ended up.

468
00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:56,880
Speaker 5: The tree I sat in was when we got there,

469
00:22:57,040 --> 00:22:59,399
Speaker 5: the hole was there, and it was like it was

470
00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:02,359
Speaker 5: like may be ten yards long by five yards wide,

471
00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:04,120
Speaker 5: just a water hole in the bottom of the creek

472
00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:05,960
Speaker 5: that it was just a deep spot, you know, hole

473
00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:07,920
Speaker 5: in the creek and it was the only place holding.

474
00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:08,440
Speaker 3: Water right there.

475
00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:10,199
Speaker 2: Primo.

476
00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:13,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was awesome. I mean it played out just right.

477
00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:16,359
Speaker 3: I was. I was pretty excited for that hunt.

478
00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:19,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was That was one of those hunts that

479
00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:24,040
Speaker 2: really made you look smart until you weren't.

480
00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:28,639
Speaker 5: But yeah, yeah, to talk about the end of the.

481
00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:32,159
Speaker 2: Story, yeah, but no, one all serious. I remember when

482
00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:33,960
Speaker 2: that all worked out and that buck came, I was like, man,

483
00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:36,159
Speaker 2: that's like the best feeling in the world for Tyler.

484
00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:38,440
Speaker 2: But when you you know, glass them a couple of

485
00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:40,840
Speaker 2: times and then like really think through like how do

486
00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:42,720
Speaker 2: you make this move? How do you make that play?

487
00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:44,679
Speaker 2: And then for it to work out like perfect like

488
00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:46,800
Speaker 2: that that's a good feeling.

489
00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:48,959
Speaker 5: Yeah, it is, man, And a lot of times that

490
00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:51,760
Speaker 5: comes through that like map work still while you're sitting there,

491
00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:54,719
Speaker 5: you know, you really I've been like two hours dialing

492
00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:57,040
Speaker 5: all the spots making sure I had the trees right

493
00:23:57,640 --> 00:24:00,240
Speaker 5: and where I thought that that bucket bedded and everything.

494
00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:02,360
Speaker 5: So I think that's important to you. Don't just want

495
00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:03,600
Speaker 5: to be like, oh, there's a buck bet and I'm

496
00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:05,359
Speaker 5: gonna go over there and kill them, you know, so

497
00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:07,800
Speaker 5: you just make sure that it's done right. Because the

498
00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:12,240
Speaker 5: wind was kind of shady too. So yeah, it's it's fun,

499
00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:13,640
Speaker 5: Like that's the one that gets fun man.

500
00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:28,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree. Uh yeah, what do you got?

501
00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:29,399
Speaker 3: So?

502
00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:32,399
Speaker 4: I know this is where you interview us and I

503
00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:36,440
Speaker 4: appreciate that, But since Michigan is your home state and

504
00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:38,639
Speaker 4: you have done all this, I would like to know

505
00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:42,119
Speaker 4: can you just kind of give the third person perspective

506
00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:43,600
Speaker 4: on what we said.

507
00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:46,320
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, the thing that's unique for me from

508
00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:48,920
Speaker 2: what your situation would be is like you would be

509
00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:52,280
Speaker 2: hunting on a short term time period in a brand

510
00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:56,679
Speaker 2: new place, you know, in my case being local, I

511
00:24:56,680 --> 00:24:58,600
Speaker 2: would just approach it very differently. But I guess like

512
00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:00,520
Speaker 2: if I were to be in your use, and if

513
00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:02,760
Speaker 2: I were traveling up here, and if I were going

514
00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:04,800
Speaker 2: to try to scout and figure out something new in

515
00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:08,240
Speaker 2: southern Michigan, I would do something pretty similar to what

516
00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:10,800
Speaker 2: you said. I would have a lot of east scouting done,

517
00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:13,560
Speaker 2: and then I would show up in that night before,

518
00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:16,040
Speaker 2: for sure, i'd be doing truck scouting. I'd be driving

519
00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:18,199
Speaker 2: around trying to confirm what's the food? Is it what

520
00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:19,919
Speaker 2: I thought it was gonna be? Where's the food? Can

521
00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:22,560
Speaker 2: I see any place that there are some deer, you know,

522
00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:26,320
Speaker 2: coming out and feeding in daylight? Something like that? The

523
00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:30,120
Speaker 2: next morning, I probably wouldn't hunt the first morning, I think,

524
00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:32,879
Speaker 2: you know, unless unless I just saw like a slam

525
00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:35,399
Speaker 2: dunk where I saw like a buck the night before,

526
00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:37,439
Speaker 2: and I felt like very confident for some reason with

527
00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:40,440
Speaker 2: where he was bed, I probably would truck scout again

528
00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:44,120
Speaker 2: in the morning, both to see if I could catch

529
00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:47,280
Speaker 2: anything going back in, and then more importantly though, see

530
00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:49,240
Speaker 2: where the hunters were. I'd really want to see what

531
00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:53,200
Speaker 2: parking lots have got guys and what parking lots don't

532
00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:55,440
Speaker 2: because I think, you know, finding those pockets where there's

533
00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:57,560
Speaker 2: not hunting pressure yet will really make a big difference,

534
00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:00,000
Speaker 2: especially in Michigan on an opening day when there's like literally

535
00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:04,399
Speaker 2: half a million or more hunters going out, maybe not

536
00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:09,000
Speaker 2: quite that, but right in that ballpark, and then you know, midday,

537
00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:11,800
Speaker 2: I would were late morning even I would probably do

538
00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:14,800
Speaker 2: my like slow scout my way into a location to

539
00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:17,600
Speaker 2: hunt for that evening. And the only thing I would

540
00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:21,679
Speaker 2: add to what you said would just be, especially with

541
00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:23,960
Speaker 2: the public land in most places in Michigan that I

542
00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:28,960
Speaker 2: have seen scouted or hunted, water is like the secret

543
00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:31,959
Speaker 2: weapon to getting away from people more often than not,

544
00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:35,320
Speaker 2: like anything that's super swampy, nasty or big bunch of

545
00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:37,959
Speaker 2: creeks and rivers and things like that, that's you know,

546
00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:39,880
Speaker 2: one of the only ways to get get away from

547
00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:43,240
Speaker 2: folks sometimes here. And so i'd really be keying in

548
00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:45,360
Speaker 2: on and you mentioned that a little bit, the swampy

549
00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:47,520
Speaker 2: spots where you can see like trails running through the

550
00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:50,880
Speaker 2: swamps and cattails and stuff. I'd be looking for that,

551
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:53,920
Speaker 2: but just really keying in on, like what's the wettest

552
00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:57,239
Speaker 2: gnarliest stuff that I wouldn't want to go to, and

553
00:26:57,280 --> 00:26:59,679
Speaker 2: if that could coincide or be near to where I

554
00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:01,919
Speaker 2: also saw some deer feeding in a you know, a

555
00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:04,560
Speaker 2: pocket of green bean still or something like that, that

556
00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:07,000
Speaker 2: would be you know, something that make me feel really

557
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:07,600
Speaker 2: good about it.

558
00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:11,680
Speaker 3: So that would be all high level. The first week

559
00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:13,040
Speaker 3: of November, I mean October.

560
00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:15,640
Speaker 2: If I were going to pick a week in October

561
00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:19,240
Speaker 2: for a traveling hunt, I don't think i'd pick the

562
00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:21,440
Speaker 2: first week in October. In a Michigan I would take

563
00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:25,960
Speaker 2: the last week in October's, yeah, but but the first

564
00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:28,040
Speaker 2: would be like my second choice, so i'd be you know,

565
00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:31,639
Speaker 2: I would I really like, I really like the first

566
00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:33,600
Speaker 2: like two to three days of October here in the state.

567
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:37,720
Speaker 2: But that's for like my local properties I know well,

568
00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:41,640
Speaker 2: but I know like the places I know, well, there's

569
00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:44,160
Speaker 2: gonna be a day or two window where you almost

570
00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:47,760
Speaker 2: almost every single year, and if hunt of different places,

571
00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:49,920
Speaker 2: but almost every single year for the last like twelve

572
00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:53,439
Speaker 2: years at least when hunting my opening day, you know,

573
00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:55,879
Speaker 2: hunt in Michigan, the first day or two, you'll have

574
00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:58,160
Speaker 2: an encounter with the target buck the first day or two,

575
00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:00,280
Speaker 2: but then it you know, things change really fast. Stuff

576
00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:05,719
Speaker 2: for that, so speaking opening day, very good segue, and

577
00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:08,480
Speaker 2: thank you Casey for leading me into this wonderful segue,

578
00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:10,560
Speaker 2: because I want to send you guys home. We're gonna

579
00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:12,000
Speaker 2: talk a lot about traveling, but I want to send

580
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:14,560
Speaker 2: you guys back home to Texas for an opening day question.

581
00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:16,600
Speaker 2: And I don't know if you guys hunt Opening day

582
00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:18,359
Speaker 2: a lot in Texas or if you're traveling during that

583
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:21,240
Speaker 2: time period, but let's just say this year, you're gonna

584
00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:25,359
Speaker 2: hunt Opening Day in Texas, so the archery opener, hunting

585
00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:29,640
Speaker 2: at home, and same thing. I would imagine that leading

586
00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:32,440
Speaker 2: into opening day, you don't have as much pressure. So

587
00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:36,119
Speaker 2: I'm guessing maybe Texas Bucks would act like Michigan Bucks

588
00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:40,240
Speaker 2: and be relatively active still that first day or two.

589
00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:43,280
Speaker 2: But correct me if I'm wrong. But let's imagine Opening

590
00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:47,760
Speaker 2: Day in Texas is coming poor conditions though, so you've

591
00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:49,840
Speaker 2: got like hotter than usual, so I know it's already

592
00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:52,000
Speaker 2: gonna be hot, but let's say, and maybe you guys

593
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:53,560
Speaker 2: need to tell me what that has to be. Maybe

594
00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:57,040
Speaker 2: there's not too hot, but in my mind that's uh.

595
00:28:57,200 --> 00:28:59,440
Speaker 4: I mean, if I was gonna guess the high on

596
00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:02,040
Speaker 4: opening day is going to be between ninety three and

597
00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:02,920
Speaker 4: ninety eight.

598
00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:07,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, you did bring it up.

599
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:10,320
Speaker 4: We do travel for opening I haven't made an opener

600
00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:12,400
Speaker 4: in five years and it kind of hurts my feelings.

601
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:15,640
Speaker 4: But just because if you go a couple of states north,

602
00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:18,520
Speaker 4: it actually feels like you're deer hunting, you know.

603
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:21,760
Speaker 3: But we can definitely play along with your scenario for sure.

604
00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:25,080
Speaker 2: Okay, yes, So so hearmor me on this one. Let's

605
00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:28,920
Speaker 2: imagine it's opening day in Texas and you have conditions

606
00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:33,760
Speaker 2: that are so bad that you worry that the dere

607
00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:37,280
Speaker 2: activity might be less than usual. So tell me what

608
00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:41,520
Speaker 2: that would have to be. And then secondly, do you

609
00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:43,960
Speaker 2: make a big swing on the opening evening or opening

610
00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:46,320
Speaker 2: day in Texas if you're hunting locally like I would

611
00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:48,840
Speaker 2: do in Michigan, like I go for a kill on

612
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:51,280
Speaker 2: the first night because like that's usually a special day,

613
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:54,479
Speaker 2: special day or two. So if you were local in

614
00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:56,560
Speaker 2: Texas during that time period, would you go for a

615
00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:59,120
Speaker 2: big swing and go for kill on the opener despite

616
00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:04,000
Speaker 2: this condition that are too hot? Or if not, how

617
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:07,080
Speaker 2: would you approach that first day or two with those

618
00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:10,160
Speaker 2: super hot conditions? And what kind of setup would you

619
00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:14,120
Speaker 2: go for for that kind of hunt, and Tyler, I'm

620
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:16,400
Speaker 2: going to figure you and you got to go, what

621
00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:18,040
Speaker 2: is this like a.

622
00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:20,680
Speaker 3: Public land deal or what where? We don't ask me

623
00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:21,800
Speaker 3: where are we hunting? Man?

624
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:24,640
Speaker 2: You're hunting local at home. So you tell me you

625
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:26,600
Speaker 2: can hunt your private stuff do you have access to

626
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:27,720
Speaker 2: down there? Or you can hunt public?

627
00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:30,280
Speaker 3: Okay, wherever you would want to hunt, I would I

628
00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:31,320
Speaker 3: would be on private.

629
00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:34,640
Speaker 5: Uh it really, I'd probably be on private if I

630
00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:36,080
Speaker 5: had the choice anywhere, you know.

631
00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:41,040
Speaker 3: But the man like I almost cannot.

632
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:44,600
Speaker 5: Come up with a scenario on October one or around

633
00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:48,160
Speaker 5: that day whenever we open that I would hunt it

634
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:50,640
Speaker 5: on and feel good about. I mean, it's just like

635
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:55,400
Speaker 5: I don't. I can't even water is not reliable. You know,

636
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:58,640
Speaker 5: we don't have ag. We've got coastal Burguida pastures for

637
00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:00,520
Speaker 5: for for cattle.

638
00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:02,400
Speaker 4: So to me.

639
00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:05,239
Speaker 5: Uh in case, you may have a different idea here.

640
00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:11,200
Speaker 5: But as I'm thinking through this, like my property that

641
00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:16,160
Speaker 5: I hunt in particular that's private in in our area,

642
00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:21,120
Speaker 5: I would probably hope that we have a different wind

643
00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:23,920
Speaker 5: than the predominant wind we usually have, which is in southeast,

644
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:28,440
Speaker 5: and so I would probably hope for a different win

645
00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:30,640
Speaker 5: than that. But if I get that southeast wind, which

646
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:32,240
Speaker 5: is what I'm gonna get, if it's like ninety eight

647
00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:37,000
Speaker 5: degrees a little bit hotter than normal, and I'm going

648
00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:42,760
Speaker 5: to hunt in the in the northeast corner of this property,

649
00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:46,000
Speaker 5: on next to the woods, but on the edge by

650
00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:50,480
Speaker 5: the field, because what's gonna happen those deer there, Well,

651
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:52,440
Speaker 5: as the sun goes down, they're going to come out

652
00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:55,160
Speaker 5: and their mosquitoes are gonna be kind of bad, probably,

653
00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:58,960
Speaker 5: and they're gonna try to find open areas that they

654
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:01,600
Speaker 5: can get some reprieve and a little bit of breeze maybe,

655
00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:04,880
Speaker 5: and uh, they're gonna walk those edges and just kind

656
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:06,560
Speaker 5: of browse around and find what they can find in

657
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:09,720
Speaker 5: the back of those pastures or fields or whatever. Even

658
00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:11,760
Speaker 5: though there's it's not really an AX source, it's just

659
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:16,200
Speaker 5: they're a creature of edge and they're gonna so I'm

660
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:19,640
Speaker 5: gonna try to get them coming down. Basically, I'm hind

661
00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:22,000
Speaker 5: the northeast corner of the southeast wind, and I'm hoping

662
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:22,840
Speaker 5: that they come out on.

663
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:25,200
Speaker 3: This edge and work east towards me.

664
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:27,640
Speaker 5: Uh, and my wind just kind of misses them, but

665
00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:29,840
Speaker 5: they feel good about going into a quarter two win

666
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:33,840
Speaker 5: like that kind of that's my best my best answer there.

667
00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:35,600
Speaker 2: What's that field that they're going on to.

668
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:40,640
Speaker 5: Well, normally, the like I said, most everything is coastal bermuda,

669
00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:43,280
Speaker 5: so it's just hay, you know, it's like, I mean,

670
00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:44,960
Speaker 5: the deer don't even I don't think they even eat

671
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:46,920
Speaker 5: the bermuda in it. They eat other forbes that they

672
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:49,520
Speaker 5: can find, they kind of grow within it. But for

673
00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:53,960
Speaker 5: for this particular field, I'll have I'll have a lot

674
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:56,560
Speaker 5: of I mean, I don't know what they're exactly browsing,

675
00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:59,680
Speaker 5: but it's basically just wild. It's grown up, it's not

676
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:02,800
Speaker 5: it used to be cattle pasture and now it's partridge

677
00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:06,960
Speaker 5: p and there's some golden rod, which they don't really eat. Texas,

678
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:09,360
Speaker 5: We'll have some poke weed and stuff like that that

679
00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:14,240
Speaker 5: they'll neble on. I mean, uh, there'll be blackberries, not

680
00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:17,400
Speaker 5: the berries, but the bush. They'll eat a lot of that.

681
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:21,360
Speaker 5: So yeah, it just kind of depends on what they

682
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:22,080
Speaker 5: find out there.

683
00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:23,640
Speaker 3: There's a bunch of different things growing out in that

684
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:24,120
Speaker 3: field though.

685
00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:29,239
Speaker 4: Case, so I'm gonna hunt private as well, and I'm

686
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:32,320
Speaker 4: gonna hunt my property because Tyler is gonna be hunt

687
00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:34,600
Speaker 4: his but no, I had never asked.

688
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:37,200
Speaker 3: He would if I asked him, and I don't. Uh.

689
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:42,280
Speaker 4: So, my property actually sets up for south winds, which

690
00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:45,480
Speaker 4: is kind of our property is a little bit inverted in.

691
00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:46,800
Speaker 3: The way that they set up.

692
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:51,200
Speaker 4: So for one, I would be running bait all summer,

693
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:53,640
Speaker 4: which I'm doing right now. I've got corn on my property,

694
00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:59,200
Speaker 4: uh and so I've got a lot of bucks and

695
00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:03,880
Speaker 4: does coming in and hitting that bait. It's gonna be

696
00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:07,600
Speaker 4: pretty tough to hunt right over the bait. It's kind

697
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:09,360
Speaker 4: of more of a thing to keep deer on the property.

698
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:12,760
Speaker 4: So I would probably make sure that that is located

699
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:15,239
Speaker 4: pretty central property and I can hunt. You're going to it,

700
00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:20,680
Speaker 4: And I would probably still choose in morning because.

701
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:24,640
Speaker 3: It stays hot late in Texas that time of year.

702
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:26,960
Speaker 4: But in the mornings you have a chance to have

703
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:29,240
Speaker 4: a morning in the sixties, you know, like a sixty

704
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:32,120
Speaker 4: nine or something like that. You know, more than likely

705
00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:36,520
Speaker 4: it's like a lowest seventy five or something, but that's

706
00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:39,400
Speaker 4: still way cooler. So you're gonna have a lot of

707
00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:43,840
Speaker 4: deer movement for an opening morning from sunrise till nine

708
00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:46,480
Speaker 4: ish o'clock and then it's gonna shut down for the

709
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:49,239
Speaker 4: day until probably the last ten minutes of shooting lot,

710
00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:53,000
Speaker 4: which for me just it's real hard to go sweating

711
00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:55,120
Speaker 4: in a tree stand in the afternoon for four hours

712
00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:59,440
Speaker 4: waiting on that last ten minutes I'm sitting there. And

713
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:01,759
Speaker 4: along with that, I'm gonna have a pre hung set

714
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:04,319
Speaker 4: because I'm gonna swept my tail off if I go

715
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:07,319
Speaker 4: in there and try to hang something. And if it's

716
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:09,520
Speaker 4: on private, why wouldn't you, Especially if it's your own place,

717
00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:10,320
Speaker 4: you can go up there.

718
00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:12,120
Speaker 3: I mean even you can take the kids.

719
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:14,640
Speaker 4: And that's another great thing about private on your own property.

720
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:17,719
Speaker 4: The deer are a lot less sensitive to activity. So

721
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:19,600
Speaker 4: you know earlier were talking about the stomp around thing.

722
00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:22,760
Speaker 4: I could go back there right now with a fifty

723
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:24,960
Speaker 4: pounds bag bag of corn and put it out, and

724
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:27,040
Speaker 4: there'll be a deer on there in twenty minutes, like

725
00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:29,399
Speaker 4: they hear me do it, you know, Like so they're

726
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:33,480
Speaker 4: just a little bit more you know, comfortable with human intrusion. Now,

727
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:36,120
Speaker 4: I wouldn't go back there and play music. There's a

728
00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:38,640
Speaker 4: bunch of people around here, yeah exactly. Yeah, So there's

729
00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:40,719
Speaker 4: people around stuff, and you can use that to your

730
00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:42,880
Speaker 4: advantage a little bit. Also, one of the things with

731
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:46,160
Speaker 4: hunting in a morning, if you're hunting in a we

732
00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:48,960
Speaker 4: live rule, right, but it's it's not a neighborhood, but

733
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:52,160
Speaker 4: there's houses around here and there people get up and

734
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:55,920
Speaker 4: get stirren later in the mornings. Then they usually go

735
00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:57,600
Speaker 4: out in the evening and mother grass and make a

736
00:35:57,640 --> 00:36:00,600
Speaker 4: lot of noise, you know. So you also have that

737
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:03,440
Speaker 4: aspect to it being more peaceful and that you're not

738
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:04,759
Speaker 4: just being too disturbed.

739
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:07,320
Speaker 3: So that's kind of my take on the opener.

740
00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:12,439
Speaker 4: Also have a I don't know, it's a real low

741
00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:15,879
Speaker 4: chance to shooting a buck, I think in general, so

742
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:16,719
Speaker 4: it's probably an.

743
00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:18,920
Speaker 3: Opportunity to shoot a dough uh.

744
00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:20,759
Speaker 4: And I might be thinking about because you didn't restrict

745
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:22,920
Speaker 4: us to hunting big target bucks, you know, in the conversation,

746
00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:25,560
Speaker 4: I might be thinking about getting that first year of

747
00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:28,520
Speaker 4: the year and just you know, having fun and shooting

748
00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:32,240
Speaker 4: something would probably be the first my primary concern out there.

749
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:36,680
Speaker 2: So you bring up my next question though, when you

750
00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:39,960
Speaker 2: mentioned your whole plan casey, because you know, being the

751
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:41,960
Speaker 2: Texas guys, you guys are stuck having to answer these

752
00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:45,719
Speaker 2: kinds of questions. Sorry, but if I told you that

753
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:50,600
Speaker 2: this year you had to kill a mature buck over bait. Okay,

754
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:53,719
Speaker 2: how would you do it? When would you do it?

755
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:54,839
Speaker 2: Where would you do it?

756
00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:58,560
Speaker 4: When you say over bait, you don't mean eating it

757
00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:01,560
Speaker 4: like in his mouth? Right, but just like a deer

758
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:04,799
Speaker 4: going to bait or like orienting to that.

759
00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:09,239
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, so I'll give you some flexibility, should win

760
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:09,680
Speaker 2: and where?

761
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:10,160
Speaker 3: Right?

762
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:12,719
Speaker 2: Yeah? So I want to understand, like, yeah, give me

763
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:15,640
Speaker 2: basically as full of a picture as you could if

764
00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:18,239
Speaker 2: you have, like that was the only stipulation that you

765
00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:20,640
Speaker 2: can kill, you gotta kill with chure buck, and bait

766
00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:22,719
Speaker 2: has to be like a central part of it. I

767
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:24,760
Speaker 2: want to all the details of what you would need

768
00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:26,040
Speaker 2: to make that work.

769
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:30,719
Speaker 3: Are you are you sticking us to our properties or

770
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:32,560
Speaker 3: what do you.

771
00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:33,920
Speaker 2: You can you can go? You can tell me anywhere

772
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:34,600
Speaker 2: you could use.

773
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:37,440
Speaker 3: This okay to work with here?

774
00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:40,840
Speaker 4: Okay, anywhere in the I thought you meant Texas, So

775
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:42,280
Speaker 4: anywhere that allows baiting.

776
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:44,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, so if you if you'd rather do it in

777
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:47,359
Speaker 2: Kentucky or Ohio or somewhere else. But basically, what I'm

778
00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:50,080
Speaker 2: trying to get at here is, like you know, for

779
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:53,080
Speaker 2: people that do use bait, how can they use it better. Like,

780
00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:55,040
Speaker 2: that's what the lesson I'm trying to take from this.

781
00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:56,920
Speaker 2: And I want you guys to paint me a picture

782
00:37:57,239 --> 00:37:59,600
Speaker 2: that will teach someone, you know, a better way to

783
00:37:59,640 --> 00:37:59,920
Speaker 2: do it.

784
00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:01,120
Speaker 3: Man.

785
00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:04,600
Speaker 4: I tell you I'm not gonna actually say a state

786
00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:08,319
Speaker 4: because it's a little bit hard to you know, put

787
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:09,920
Speaker 4: too much of a spotlight on some places.

788
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:12,919
Speaker 3: But let's just say like a Midwestern bait state.

789
00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:17,719
Speaker 4: I think that on November sixth, on an evening, if

790
00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:20,759
Speaker 4: you set up sixty or seventy yards down wind of

791
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:24,800
Speaker 4: that bait, there is a really good shot that that

792
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:26,680
Speaker 4: that a mature buck knows that those are going to

793
00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:27,280
Speaker 4: go to that bait.

794
00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:28,359
Speaker 3: And so like.

795
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:30,640
Speaker 4: You, now, this has bitten me in the butt before,

796
00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:34,480
Speaker 4: but Martin, we still have you.

797
00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:39,480
Speaker 3: I lost your video. Okay, sorry, good. This has bit

798
00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:40,560
Speaker 3: me in the butt before.

799
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:42,480
Speaker 4: Where I set up like fifty yards from a bay

800
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:45,479
Speaker 4: pall and I had a giant come in and just eat,

801
00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:46,799
Speaker 4: you know, and I couldn't take the shot.

802
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:47,960
Speaker 3: It was too Indian, too far.

803
00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:54,440
Speaker 4: But I think that your that's kind of the obscurity

804
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:56,879
Speaker 4: and not the norm. I think that there's a real

805
00:38:56,920 --> 00:38:59,439
Speaker 4: good chance that you have those come in to eat

806
00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:03,239
Speaker 4: the bait and big bucks will be sent checking those does.

807
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:05,440
Speaker 3: And if you can concentrate them with bait, that's the

808
00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:06,120
Speaker 3: way to do it.

809
00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:12,040
Speaker 5: I would probably say that my key number one tip

810
00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:16,240
Speaker 5: for getting a mature buck killed over bait.

811
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:19,920
Speaker 3: It's it's very very similar in my way of doing it.

812
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:22,319
Speaker 5: Probably the casey but and he would do this too,

813
00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:26,200
Speaker 5: but just maybe failed to mention. Hand feeding is like

814
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:29,600
Speaker 5: the way to do it. I mean, it's it's hard

815
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:32,200
Speaker 5: to do it. It's a hand feed enough that you

816
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:33,920
Speaker 5: don't let it go dry, you know.

817
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:35,080
Speaker 3: But if you can get.

818
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:37,279
Speaker 5: Out to a spot every other day and throw a

819
00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:39,200
Speaker 5: couple of bags of corn out or whatever it takes,

820
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:42,360
Speaker 5: I mean a bel alf alpha, however you want to

821
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:45,200
Speaker 5: do it hand feeding and not having a big feeder

822
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:47,319
Speaker 5: that's making a bunch of noise and a big you

823
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:50,280
Speaker 5: know feeder pen and cattle country that just it looks

824
00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:52,440
Speaker 5: like somebody set up a town, you know, in the

825
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:55,560
Speaker 5: middle of the deer woods. So not having that is

826
00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:59,920
Speaker 5: pretty I think that's a pretty big key to debating situation.

827
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:04,920
Speaker 2: So so are you saying that it's the the physical like

828
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:08,799
Speaker 2: feeder that would freak out mature bucks or is it

829
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:11,760
Speaker 2: the fact that you going in there associates your presence

830
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:14,799
Speaker 2: with food, and then they're not as wigged out when

831
00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:16,640
Speaker 2: you go and hunt because they're used to someone coming

832
00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:17,359
Speaker 2: in every other day.

833
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:20,280
Speaker 5: I think it's more about the noise that a feeder

834
00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:24,680
Speaker 5: would make, and some somewhat the visual aspect. I don't

835
00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:27,239
Speaker 5: think it's it's necessarily an association.

836
00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:28,279
Speaker 3: Uh.

837
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:31,399
Speaker 5: It's an association with humans, but not necessarily because they

838
00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:32,520
Speaker 5: hear or see you.

839
00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:36,319
Speaker 3: It's just an odd looking thing on the landscape, you know.

840
00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:38,400
Speaker 4: I also think that if I can add two, that

841
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:42,080
Speaker 4: the free choice aspect of hand feeding is way better

842
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:47,200
Speaker 4: than the timed feeder uh situation. And now you will

843
00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:50,120
Speaker 4: feed a lot more so if you're traveling you have

844
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:52,160
Speaker 4: a deer, least or something that you're feeding on, you're

845
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:54,319
Speaker 4: gonna have to do the time or thing usually. But

846
00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:58,360
Speaker 4: say if you're if you're feeding locally, man, my dear,

847
00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:00,600
Speaker 4: just I will have so much many more dear on

848
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:03,120
Speaker 4: my property if I do what Tyler's talking about, put

849
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:05,800
Speaker 4: corn out on the ground in large quantities.

850
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:09,120
Speaker 3: But they still it's not like they're they're all day.

851
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:12,480
Speaker 4: They're still there around deer times, you know, like you

852
00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:14,080
Speaker 4: know the you know the.

853
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:19,200
Speaker 3: Hour window there after daylight, but they're just more comfortable.

854
00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:20,520
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, there you go.

855
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:21,759
Speaker 3: There's your fuck Cavlie worried.

856
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:26,080
Speaker 4: Uh They uh, they're just more comfortable just knowing that

857
00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:29,160
Speaker 4: the food source is there as opposed to the It's

858
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:33,520
Speaker 4: something about just I think that big Bucks know that

859
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:36,319
Speaker 4: a feeder is unreliable in the sense that maybe something

860
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:38,319
Speaker 4: already got there and ate the food, so they may

861
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:40,359
Speaker 4: or may not go there that night.

862
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:42,839
Speaker 3: But if you have of eight station set up that.

863
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:45,239
Speaker 4: They just know that there's been food there the last

864
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:47,520
Speaker 4: ten days, they're they're probably a little bit more apt

865
00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:51,600
Speaker 4: to go there. And also, uh, I could add to

866
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:54,480
Speaker 4: that as well, if you want bait to be effective,

867
00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:57,120
Speaker 4: you need to hunt it on good winds and hunt

868
00:41:57,120 --> 00:42:01,919
Speaker 4: it really particularly like uh uh, because I mean it's

869
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:04,120
Speaker 4: just like any other thing that concentrates the deer.

870
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:06,680
Speaker 3: Like the deer know that and they're going to go

871
00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:07,360
Speaker 3: downwind of it.

872
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:10,200
Speaker 4: So if your wind is a little off or whatever

873
00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:13,200
Speaker 4: it may be, and you booger one, like, he's not

874
00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:14,440
Speaker 4: going to recover from that quickly.

875
00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:16,600
Speaker 3: He can find something else to eat.

876
00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:21,239
Speaker 2: Yep. Makes sense. Kind of like a food source of

877
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:22,160
Speaker 2: any kind of food pluck.

878
00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:37,279
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, all right, I'm gonna send you back out

879
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:40,200
Speaker 6: of state, back on the road doing your traveling thing.

880
00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:44,160
Speaker 2: We'll say you're somewhere in that Midwest Ish region and

881
00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:49,400
Speaker 2: you're several days into a hunt, let's say you know,

882
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:53,960
Speaker 2: three or four, and you've you've kind of been zeroing

883
00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:56,040
Speaker 2: in on the stuff, like you you're figuring it out.

884
00:42:56,520 --> 00:42:58,560
Speaker 2: You've found your spots, kind of like Tyler, you know

885
00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:01,239
Speaker 2: you've found some buck. You scout a couple of nights,

886
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:03,480
Speaker 2: you realize like, oh man, like I found my kill spot.

887
00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:05,839
Speaker 2: You're heading in for a kill hunt. Like you feel good.

888
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:08,239
Speaker 2: You got like those little nervous jitters because you're just

889
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:12,000
Speaker 2: confident that like you're in it. You're getting close to

890
00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:14,040
Speaker 2: your spot, they'll hiking and all of a sudden you

891
00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:17,680
Speaker 2: see fresh boot tracks, like someone there are boot tracks

892
00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:19,520
Speaker 2: here that were not here you know last time you

893
00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:21,359
Speaker 2: walked in, whether it was this morning, the night before

894
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:26,040
Speaker 2: or whatever. Uh, someone's been in here. Does that change

895
00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:28,480
Speaker 2: your strategy? Do you still go to your spot even

896
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:30,880
Speaker 2: though there's boot prints like close to where you're planning

897
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:33,239
Speaker 2: on setting up, or do you push through and do

898
00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:36,799
Speaker 2: your thing regardless of what this person might have done

899
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:37,719
Speaker 2: or has not done.

900
00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:43,600
Speaker 3: I'm glad he asked you. This is a very good question.

901
00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:49,799
Speaker 5: Mark, You're a good question asker, I'd say, I mean,

902
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:53,600
Speaker 5: this is this is very like situational dependent.

903
00:43:55,239 --> 00:43:56,879
Speaker 3: Oh you could say that, but.

904
00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:01,800
Speaker 5: I would say so some of the variables, some of

905
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:04,680
Speaker 5: the variables that you would kind of consider would be

906
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:07,160
Speaker 5: like how many spots do you have?

907
00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:07,759
Speaker 3: You know what I mean?

908
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:09,560
Speaker 5: If you don't have very many spots that you feel

909
00:44:09,600 --> 00:44:13,680
Speaker 5: good about, then probably just gonna go ahead and commit

910
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:15,960
Speaker 5: and see what you see when you get in there.

911
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:17,960
Speaker 5: You know, I mean, because this guy might have just

912
00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:21,000
Speaker 5: done what you know you wanted to do and burn

913
00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:23,200
Speaker 5: in there real quick and done a quick scouting session.

914
00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:26,759
Speaker 5: It might not a mess anything up too bad. And

915
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:29,440
Speaker 5: I think so you got to kind of understand, like

916
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:31,759
Speaker 5: what your backup plans are. You want to have some,

917
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:35,040
Speaker 5: but you don't always because later in the trip sometimes

918
00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:37,280
Speaker 5: you've already gone through a lot of those and seen

919
00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:39,600
Speaker 5: what actually panned out to be a pretty good spot.

920
00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:41,319
Speaker 4: You know.

921
00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:45,080
Speaker 5: Another thing is like what does the area set up?

922
00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:47,160
Speaker 5: Like are you hunting?

923
00:44:47,239 --> 00:44:47,440
Speaker 1: You know?

924
00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:50,680
Speaker 3: Are you going in there to cottonwood drainage?

925
00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:54,320
Speaker 5: And you know, I don't know Nebraska or North Dakota,

926
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:58,080
Speaker 5: and there's not really a whole lot of habitat in there,

927
00:44:58,239 --> 00:45:01,720
Speaker 5: and this guy's headed right into the nearest.

928
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:04,120
Speaker 3: You know, betting hole that you figure is in there.

929
00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:07,440
Speaker 5: You know, I think it's that's that's kind of another

930
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:10,239
Speaker 5: question you kind of have to answer to to understand

931
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:15,600
Speaker 5: what your final answer is in this scenario. I think

932
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:22,120
Speaker 5: I probably tend to, uh continue until I like figure

933
00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:25,879
Speaker 5: out for sure like this dude is in here or

934
00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:28,680
Speaker 5: you know, went right into a spot that was a

935
00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:29,240
Speaker 5: bad spot.

936
00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:29,800
Speaker 4: You know.

937
00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:32,200
Speaker 5: Another thing that you that helps you make that decision

938
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:35,640
Speaker 5: is we I've gotten really really.

939
00:45:37,560 --> 00:45:41,520
Speaker 3: I don't know, I really consider ground scent pretty heavily now.

940
00:45:41,719 --> 00:45:44,320
Speaker 5: In the last couple of years, I've just I've really

941
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:48,200
Speaker 5: worked on access a lot as being like a big

942
00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:52,279
Speaker 5: part of uh the hunt for me, and to understand

943
00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:56,160
Speaker 5: how what the best access is and how ground scent

944
00:45:56,360 --> 00:45:59,239
Speaker 5: can really mess up a hunt. Over the last few years,

945
00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:01,760
Speaker 5: I've seen that and and so I'm trying to really

946
00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:05,560
Speaker 5: limit that. So if this guy to me, if he's

947
00:46:06,680 --> 00:46:10,640
Speaker 5: walking you know, on or across a trail that is

948
00:46:10,680 --> 00:46:14,480
Speaker 5: going to be leading to my tree, that's that's an

949
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:16,400
Speaker 5: issue I'm probably bailing at that point.

950
00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:17,880
Speaker 3: You know, if it's it's a very.

951
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:22,000
Speaker 2: Fresh boot track, what's you kissy.

952
00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:26,160
Speaker 4: We'll probably are a little more different on this, I guess,

953
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:28,560
Speaker 4: but not drastically.

954
00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:31,080
Speaker 3: I just am going to lean towards.

955
00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:37,160
Speaker 4: Bouncing, uh, just because I think in most situations, I

956
00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:40,520
Speaker 4: have some other good opportunities that I could go to

957
00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:42,960
Speaker 4: instead of you.

958
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:47,160
Speaker 3: Know, staying there and just just getting somebody's leftover.

959
00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:49,400
Speaker 4: You know, Like there's a few places that I know

960
00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:53,120
Speaker 4: that I hunt that are pretty forgiving in this stuff,

961
00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:56,399
Speaker 4: and that usually has to do with like it being

962
00:46:56,440 --> 00:46:59,960
Speaker 4: the only food source in for miles, and outside of that,

963
00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:04,160
Speaker 4: I just don't like to go where other people are

964
00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:07,680
Speaker 4: too much, I mean, and it does pay dividends.

965
00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:10,080
Speaker 3: It is more difficult because some places it's hard to find.

966
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:12,480
Speaker 4: A spot where there's nobody, you know, you can talk

967
00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:15,320
Speaker 4: about like what you're saying there in Michigan, where there's

968
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:18,239
Speaker 4: you know, half million folks going into the woods that

969
00:47:18,520 --> 00:47:20,320
Speaker 4: you might not find a partialow just doesn't have a

970
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:23,520
Speaker 4: dude on it. But if if the option is there,

971
00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:26,200
Speaker 4: I'm probably going to try to figure something else out,

972
00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:33,279
Speaker 4: just because I not to discredit the general hunting populace, right.

973
00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:35,440
Speaker 4: I think I'm glad that people are getting out there,

974
00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:37,080
Speaker 4: but I don't trust the guy that was in there

975
00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:39,560
Speaker 4: before me to have made any good decisions. And I

976
00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:42,120
Speaker 4: think that that he might have right, It might have

977
00:47:42,200 --> 00:47:45,040
Speaker 4: been degging Bill Winki in there, you know, but like

978
00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:50,480
Speaker 4: you just have to assume the worst because it's a

979
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:54,880
Speaker 4: great way to be hunting ghostbucks, you know, yeah, glosses.

980
00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:59,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, you man, you talk about wasting some time.

981
00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:02,160
Speaker 3: You know, it's there really a bad way to do that.

982
00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:05,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, man, you're right. Even if it is Bill Winkie,

983
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:07,040
Speaker 2: he sleeps at the base of his tree these days,

984
00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:09,440
Speaker 2: so you know, you don't know what you're gonna get.

985
00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:11,239
Speaker 2: There might be a tent all set up down there, too,

986
00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:15,680
Speaker 2: so watch out for Winkies tracks man like John Rambo.

987
00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:23,680
Speaker 2: All right, So I'm I'm with you guys on that.

988
00:48:23,719 --> 00:48:26,800
Speaker 2: I don't I don't particularly like h like seeing boots

989
00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:31,040
Speaker 2: coming in, but it is situational. Let's uh. I had

990
00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:33,839
Speaker 2: another kind of pressure lay question. But in the interesting time,

991
00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:38,400
Speaker 2: let's speed up and go into November, and I've got

992
00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:42,160
Speaker 2: a specific November question for you guys. Let's let's again

993
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:44,719
Speaker 2: say you're in the Midwest. I'm gonna put you, like

994
00:48:44,719 --> 00:48:48,200
Speaker 2: in Illinois. You guys hunted there recently and had an

995
00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:50,560
Speaker 2: interesting hunt. Let's say you're back in Illinois, but it's

996
00:48:50,560 --> 00:48:54,120
Speaker 2: November and you discover a spot that's deep in the

997
00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:57,600
Speaker 2: cover that's like a no questions asked big buck hotspot.

998
00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:01,480
Speaker 2: There's a creek running through some tim you can see

999
00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:04,720
Speaker 2: a pretty defined crossing of the creek, and there's betting,

1000
00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:07,480
Speaker 2: but it's all around you. Like it's a dynamite pinch

1001
00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:09,880
Speaker 2: sort of because you've got this like very defined creek crossing,

1002
00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:11,719
Speaker 2: but there's also betting all over the place, so it's

1003
00:49:11,719 --> 00:49:13,520
Speaker 2: not like a terrain or it's not a not a

1004
00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:18,399
Speaker 2: cover pinch. You can tell, like there's definitely bucks moving

1005
00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:20,600
Speaker 2: in here. It's the rut they're gonna be crossing here.

1006
00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:23,719
Speaker 2: They're checking these betting areas. It screams out good from

1007
00:49:23,719 --> 00:49:26,640
Speaker 2: that standpoint, there's big bucks signing all around. Problem is,

1008
00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:29,279
Speaker 2: there just does not seem to be a way to

1009
00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:32,440
Speaker 2: hunt this spot without deer winding you because of all

1010
00:49:32,440 --> 00:49:34,680
Speaker 2: that cover around you, and because there's betting on both

1011
00:49:34,680 --> 00:49:36,759
Speaker 2: sides of the creek and kind of all around, and

1012
00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:40,480
Speaker 2: it's a relatively high deer density area. So what do

1013
00:49:40,520 --> 00:49:43,680
Speaker 2: you do in that situation? Do you hunt this despite

1014
00:49:43,800 --> 00:49:47,080
Speaker 2: that riskiness of the wind and just say, man, it's

1015
00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:48,920
Speaker 2: so good, I gotta hunt it and I'll deal with

1016
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:51,920
Speaker 2: the consequences of wind of some does winding merror or whatever?

1017
00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:54,719
Speaker 2: Or do you hunt off the hot spot in some

1018
00:49:54,840 --> 00:49:58,000
Speaker 2: kind of a way but you have a safer wind.

1019
00:49:58,080 --> 00:49:59,320
Speaker 2: What would you do? Tyler?

1020
00:50:01,719 --> 00:50:01,919
Speaker 4: Time?

1021
00:50:04,719 --> 00:50:06,480
Speaker 2: I just know you, I know, I know you need

1022
00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:06,919
Speaker 2: more time.

1023
00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:15,640
Speaker 3: Casey, okay, processing exactly. So how big is this betting area?

1024
00:50:17,800 --> 00:50:22,800
Speaker 2: Let's say we're talking like this is five six seven

1025
00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:25,200
Speaker 2: acres that kind of thing, Like it's a it's five

1026
00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:28,120
Speaker 2: acres ish, So that's like a yeah, let's go that

1027
00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:29,040
Speaker 2: number for simplicity.

1028
00:50:29,400 --> 00:50:31,520
Speaker 3: The pinch. What's creating the pinch.

1029
00:50:31,600 --> 00:50:34,440
Speaker 2: It's like a creek crossing. So when I say, when

1030
00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:36,279
Speaker 2: I say, I'm not a pinch might have been the

1031
00:50:36,320 --> 00:50:39,120
Speaker 2: wrong word, but like there's a there's a funneling effect

1032
00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:41,440
Speaker 2: because there's like a one very defined creek crossing. And

1033
00:50:41,480 --> 00:50:43,680
Speaker 2: let's say there's like high banks in most other places,

1034
00:50:43,680 --> 00:50:46,080
Speaker 2: so this is like there's not like twenty of these

1035
00:50:46,080 --> 00:50:48,799
Speaker 2: creek crossings. This is like the creek crossing for quite

1036
00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:49,160
Speaker 2: a ways.

1037
00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:53,880
Speaker 5: Yeah, Okay, so I learned this growing up fishing like

1038
00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:56,319
Speaker 5: Fork in Texas, which is a kind of renowned bass like.

1039
00:50:56,360 --> 00:51:00,360
Speaker 3: But the big trees grow by the creek, and.

1040
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:06,320
Speaker 5: The way that I would hunt this, I would probably

1041
00:51:06,360 --> 00:51:08,640
Speaker 5: be pretty aggressive and try to get.

1042
00:51:08,520 --> 00:51:10,880
Speaker 3: In there, especially considering this is the rut.

1043
00:51:11,719 --> 00:51:15,200
Speaker 5: I would try to find a way to make an

1044
00:51:15,239 --> 00:51:19,040
Speaker 5: assumption about I always try to assume where the deer

1045
00:51:19,160 --> 00:51:23,080
Speaker 5: coming from, even if it's the rut, Like which side

1046
00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:25,520
Speaker 5: do I think that these deer coming from, because they

1047
00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:28,240
Speaker 5: even in the rut, these they're generally going to relate

1048
00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:33,880
Speaker 5: bed to feed at least the dose. And then you

1049
00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:37,000
Speaker 5: can make assumptions about if bucks are really amped up

1050
00:51:37,040 --> 00:51:39,920
Speaker 5: and they're you know, trying to encounter those go in

1051
00:51:39,960 --> 00:51:42,719
Speaker 5: the opposite way, or you know how that works out,

1052
00:51:43,560 --> 00:51:46,120
Speaker 5: Like in any scenario, there's a bunch of variables. But

1053
00:51:47,360 --> 00:51:49,359
Speaker 5: I would say that that I would hang in one

1054
00:51:49,360 --> 00:51:52,839
Speaker 5: of those big trees right over the creek, potentially one

1055
00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:56,040
Speaker 5: that hangs out over the creek, and I would let

1056
00:51:56,239 --> 00:52:00,840
Speaker 5: my thermal in November a lot of times, supecially if

1057
00:52:00,840 --> 00:52:02,480
Speaker 5: you get a high pressure day, which is gonna be

1058
00:52:02,520 --> 00:52:05,719
Speaker 5: a good day to hunt November right at dark, you're

1059
00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:08,120
Speaker 5: gonna get just a falling thermal and.

1060
00:52:08,120 --> 00:52:10,160
Speaker 3: The wind's gonna die, probably more than likely.

1061
00:52:10,760 --> 00:52:12,879
Speaker 5: And if that's the case, I would hang out over

1062
00:52:12,880 --> 00:52:15,160
Speaker 5: that creek and let my wind just fall into the

1063
00:52:15,200 --> 00:52:20,640
Speaker 5: creek and away from that crossing, and I would I

1064
00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:23,560
Speaker 5: would shoot the first big buck that comes through in

1065
00:52:23,600 --> 00:52:27,520
Speaker 5: the in the the gray hour. But I would also

1066
00:52:27,640 --> 00:52:32,880
Speaker 5: say that I'm not afraid to sit in a place

1067
00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:35,040
Speaker 5: during the rut where my wind is blowing in a

1068
00:52:35,040 --> 00:52:38,359
Speaker 5: pretty shady direction down the trail, because I think a

1069
00:52:38,360 --> 00:52:40,319
Speaker 5: lot of times, if you can, if you can make

1070
00:52:40,360 --> 00:52:42,800
Speaker 5: a really good assumption about which way that you're traveling,

1071
00:52:43,120 --> 00:52:45,840
Speaker 5: a lot of times what you're gonna get is a

1072
00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:48,600
Speaker 5: dough with a buck pretty hot on her trail, and

1073
00:52:48,840 --> 00:52:50,839
Speaker 5: you just have to make sure you can shoot that

1074
00:52:50,920 --> 00:52:54,960
Speaker 5: buck before the dough gets you, or you can rely

1075
00:52:55,080 --> 00:52:59,239
Speaker 5: on this and it works. The buck and the dough

1076
00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:02,520
Speaker 5: are so just you know, you know, frenzy that they

1077
00:53:02,520 --> 00:53:04,440
Speaker 5: don't even they don't even wind you.

1078
00:53:04,440 --> 00:53:06,799
Speaker 3: You know, they the DEVI will run through your winds sometimes.

1079
00:53:07,200 --> 00:53:09,160
Speaker 3: So it's I mean, the rut is the bast man.

1080
00:53:09,200 --> 00:53:10,879
Speaker 3: I love. It's hard to be.

1081
00:53:12,520 --> 00:53:13,960
Speaker 2: I like it. Casey, what about you.

1082
00:53:15,080 --> 00:53:19,719
Speaker 3: So I like Tyler's answers. I guess I'll just kind

1083
00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:20,920
Speaker 3: of have some additions to that.

1084
00:53:21,239 --> 00:53:27,240
Speaker 4: Really, if it's really the rut, I think that calling

1085
00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:31,840
Speaker 4: can work and say you feel good about.

1086
00:53:31,600 --> 00:53:34,160
Speaker 3: This place for a few days.

1087
00:53:34,600 --> 00:53:38,120
Speaker 4: Sitting up a little bit off of that and calling

1088
00:53:38,160 --> 00:53:41,560
Speaker 4: to deer that are coming through there could be a

1089
00:53:41,640 --> 00:53:44,560
Speaker 4: way for you to at least give it a day.

1090
00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:47,640
Speaker 4: You know, go in there, try to grunt at a

1091
00:53:47,640 --> 00:53:50,800
Speaker 4: big buck who's who's cruising through the creek crossing getting

1092
00:53:50,840 --> 00:53:52,719
Speaker 4: to come off of it, and if he won't, then

1093
00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:54,480
Speaker 4: the next day go in and burn the tar of

1094
00:53:54,520 --> 00:53:55,800
Speaker 4: that thing and just hint it hard.

1095
00:53:56,560 --> 00:53:57,719
Speaker 3: But that that is one day. If you want to

1096
00:53:57,719 --> 00:53:59,239
Speaker 3: play a little bit more conservative, you can do that.

1097
00:53:59,239 --> 00:54:03,759
Speaker 3: It's good idea. Also, access would be a big thing

1098
00:54:03,800 --> 00:54:04,040
Speaker 3: for me.

1099
00:54:04,160 --> 00:54:06,719
Speaker 4: And uh if you can walk the bottom of the

1100
00:54:06,719 --> 00:54:08,920
Speaker 4: creek to get in there, that's gonna.

1101
00:54:08,680 --> 00:54:12,279
Speaker 3: Be awesome, because I think that.

1102
00:54:14,760 --> 00:54:17,640
Speaker 4: Blowing you in one uh through betting area is one thing,

1103
00:54:17,760 --> 00:54:20,719
Speaker 4: but just swiping the whole sap sucker, because you can

1104
00:54:20,800 --> 00:54:23,319
Speaker 4: just you know, have to walk in and your wind

1105
00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:26,080
Speaker 4: just goes through the whole thing as you're walking. That's

1106
00:54:26,120 --> 00:54:29,080
Speaker 4: really bad And stomping through there. It's bad too because

1107
00:54:29,080 --> 00:54:31,279
Speaker 4: it's probably fixed. You're gonna make a lot of noise. See,

1108
00:54:31,280 --> 00:54:32,440
Speaker 4: you have a lot of that going on as well.

1109
00:54:32,480 --> 00:54:33,759
Speaker 4: So if you can get down in the creek to

1110
00:54:33,800 --> 00:54:36,279
Speaker 4: get to get your access in, I would feel a

1111
00:54:36,320 --> 00:54:40,560
Speaker 4: lot better about that. And then me, being the guy

1112
00:54:40,560 --> 00:54:43,680
Speaker 4: who likes mornings, I might like to hunt this on

1113
00:54:43,719 --> 00:54:47,480
Speaker 4: a morning because just like Tyler was talking about, I

1114
00:54:47,520 --> 00:54:50,759
Speaker 4: love that thermal suck with the cold water, you know,

1115
00:54:50,960 --> 00:54:55,200
Speaker 4: and having everything fall down into, you know, the the

1116
00:54:55,320 --> 00:54:56,680
Speaker 4: valley as it cools.

1117
00:54:56,360 --> 00:54:57,120
Speaker 3: Off in the evening.

1118
00:54:57,600 --> 00:54:59,480
Speaker 4: That also can work in the morning though, as everything

1119
00:54:59,560 --> 00:55:03,280
Speaker 4: heats up around you, the cold water is gonna still

1120
00:55:03,480 --> 00:55:05,480
Speaker 4: kind of hold like a little pocket of air down there,

1121
00:55:05,480 --> 00:55:06,560
Speaker 4: and if you can tap into.

1122
00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:09,879
Speaker 3: That, you're in really good shape. And also a thing

1123
00:55:09,920 --> 00:55:11,000
Speaker 3: I've seen work.

1124
00:55:11,040 --> 00:55:14,120
Speaker 4: It's kind of crazy and I almost don't believe it,

1125
00:55:14,239 --> 00:55:15,600
Speaker 4: but I think it's a deal that not a lot

1126
00:55:15,640 --> 00:55:18,120
Speaker 4: of people talk about, is that if you have a

1127
00:55:18,160 --> 00:55:23,160
Speaker 4: really frosty morning, but say it's you know, as soon

1128
00:55:23,160 --> 00:55:25,759
Speaker 4: as the sun comes out, it gets above freezing. So

1129
00:55:25,960 --> 00:55:28,960
Speaker 4: say you know, it got down to thirty one, but

1130
00:55:29,360 --> 00:55:30,920
Speaker 4: sun hits everything and he gets.

1131
00:55:30,719 --> 00:55:32,320
Speaker 3: In the forties real quick and it's sunny.

1132
00:55:34,320 --> 00:55:38,360
Speaker 4: There is some level of a straight up thermal on

1133
00:55:38,520 --> 00:55:41,880
Speaker 4: dead still days that you get from evaporation, and I

1134
00:55:41,920 --> 00:55:45,400
Speaker 4: think that this is that scenario just screams that to me.

1135
00:55:45,440 --> 00:55:48,319
Speaker 4: If you can get like a November fourth where it's

1136
00:55:48,400 --> 00:55:51,360
Speaker 4: just dead calm in the morning and it's frosty, and

1137
00:55:51,440 --> 00:55:53,880
Speaker 4: you let that sun come up, like you can just

1138
00:55:54,000 --> 00:55:57,399
Speaker 4: have just this lift from the evaporating water vapor that

1139
00:55:57,640 --> 00:56:01,400
Speaker 4: just brings all your scent up and maybe out, or

1140
00:56:01,440 --> 00:56:04,280
Speaker 4: at least it's going to give you enough of a window,

1141
00:56:04,880 --> 00:56:07,880
Speaker 4: you know, to to not have deer just you know,

1142
00:56:07,920 --> 00:56:10,959
Speaker 4: two hundred yards away smelling you because there's no there's

1143
00:56:10,960 --> 00:56:14,400
Speaker 4: no wind to take it to them.

1144
00:56:13,840 --> 00:56:18,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a that's an interesting idea there, and.

1145
00:56:19,800 --> 00:56:20,160
Speaker 3: It works.

1146
00:56:21,840 --> 00:56:24,600
Speaker 2: No, I like it. I was just thinking through like

1147
00:56:24,640 --> 00:56:27,480
Speaker 2: there's all these little things that that that creak gives

1148
00:56:27,480 --> 00:56:29,479
Speaker 2: you these advantages I think in a lot of ways too,

1149
00:56:29,480 --> 00:56:31,960
Speaker 2: like the thermal effects and the access to effects, and

1150
00:56:33,600 --> 00:56:36,160
Speaker 2: that really does help you get away with some things

1151
00:56:36,200 --> 00:56:39,160
Speaker 2: in these like heavy cover betting area kind of zones

1152
00:56:39,160 --> 00:56:41,160
Speaker 2: that you otherwise might not be able to get away with.

1153
00:56:42,719 --> 00:56:44,920
Speaker 2: I've had a few of these myself and this is, uh,

1154
00:56:45,239 --> 00:56:51,040
Speaker 2: these are all things I've seen one more situational one,

1155
00:56:51,120 --> 00:56:53,400
Speaker 2: and I think we'll get to our rapid fire and

1156
00:56:53,440 --> 00:56:58,959
Speaker 2: wrap this sucker up for you. November again, we'll say

1157
00:56:59,000 --> 00:57:02,320
Speaker 2: we're pushing a little bit. Let's put you like November tenth,

1158
00:57:03,360 --> 00:57:10,000
Speaker 2: and you're out of state. It's day three and on

1159
00:57:10,080 --> 00:57:12,520
Speaker 2: the first day when you set up, you or when

1160
00:57:12,560 --> 00:57:15,279
Speaker 2: you arrived, you're doing your truck scouting maybe and you

1161
00:57:15,400 --> 00:57:17,680
Speaker 2: hung a few cameras in a few like easy to

1162
00:57:17,680 --> 00:57:19,800
Speaker 2: get two places like I've seen you Tyler, like hop

1163
00:57:19,840 --> 00:57:21,240
Speaker 2: off out of the truck and put a camera on

1164
00:57:21,240 --> 00:57:23,680
Speaker 2: the side of the road. Let's say it's something kind

1165
00:57:23,680 --> 00:57:26,200
Speaker 2: of like that, like you found some easy to access spots,

1166
00:57:26,200 --> 00:57:28,880
Speaker 2: you put up a couple cell cameras. Let's say to

1167
00:57:28,960 --> 00:57:33,280
Speaker 2: begin now, it's day three and you've kind of figured

1168
00:57:33,360 --> 00:57:35,760
Speaker 2: you're figuring some stuff out. You're finding locations that you

1169
00:57:35,800 --> 00:57:38,000
Speaker 2: think will be good. You're kind of finding some rut

1170
00:57:38,160 --> 00:57:40,800
Speaker 2: pinch point or betting yar kind of zones, and you're

1171
00:57:40,880 --> 00:57:43,720
Speaker 2: you're getting there, but maybe you don't have like the

1172
00:57:43,760 --> 00:57:45,680
Speaker 2: spot within the spot on the spot, but you're heading

1173
00:57:45,720 --> 00:57:48,120
Speaker 2: somewhere you feel pretty confident with it's the evening hunt.

1174
00:57:48,480 --> 00:57:50,880
Speaker 2: You're on your way to the evening hunt, and then

1175
00:57:50,960 --> 00:57:54,920
Speaker 2: your phone pings and you get the cell camera upload

1176
00:57:55,000 --> 00:57:58,960
Speaker 2: from the day previous and you get daylight pictures of

1177
00:57:59,000 --> 00:58:04,160
Speaker 2: a shooter buck elsewhere, like somewhere that's not where you're headed.

1178
00:58:06,320 --> 00:58:09,680
Speaker 2: How do you factor this new piece of intel into

1179
00:58:09,680 --> 00:58:13,800
Speaker 2: your hunting strategy? Does it change what you're doing that night?

1180
00:58:14,240 --> 00:58:16,000
Speaker 2: Does it change what you're doing the next day at all?

1181
00:58:16,560 --> 00:58:20,320
Speaker 2: Or is one single daylight photo over shooter buck not

1182
00:58:20,520 --> 00:58:24,000
Speaker 2: enough for you to do something with that case, you

1183
00:58:24,040 --> 00:58:27,200
Speaker 2: get to go first because you are equal with Tyler

1184
00:58:27,280 --> 00:58:33,160
Speaker 2: in my favorite rankings.

1185
00:58:33,200 --> 00:58:34,400
Speaker 3: We're just on the same plane.

1186
00:58:38,240 --> 00:58:45,440
Speaker 4: Thanks Mark. Let me think about this. So, first of all,

1187
00:58:45,520 --> 00:58:48,880
Speaker 4: I think it's funny that you said, like yesterday's stelf

1188
00:58:48,920 --> 00:58:52,320
Speaker 4: on stuff uploads, because I guess.

1189
00:58:52,080 --> 00:58:55,240
Speaker 3: Twenty four hours is the delineator of like what's ethical

1190
00:58:55,240 --> 00:58:55,680
Speaker 3: and what's not.

1191
00:58:55,800 --> 00:58:58,760
Speaker 2: Is that what you're saying, Well, that's just what I do,

1192
00:58:58,920 --> 00:59:01,200
Speaker 2: but some people do it to me. But I'm just saying, like,

1193
00:59:01,600 --> 00:59:03,040
Speaker 2: but we'll roll with that.

1194
00:59:03,360 --> 00:59:04,680
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, but.

1195
00:59:04,680 --> 00:59:06,120
Speaker 2: You could tell me. But you could tell me like

1196
00:59:06,160 --> 00:59:08,000
Speaker 2: if you have it on timely or instant and you

1197
00:59:08,040 --> 00:59:11,160
Speaker 2: get an instant picture like right then what you would do.

1198
00:59:14,040 --> 00:59:15,720
Speaker 3: Quite a bit or every three hours or so.

1199
00:59:15,880 --> 00:59:19,800
Speaker 4: But I don't actually let it determine my moves right away,

1200
00:59:20,080 --> 00:59:22,200
Speaker 4: like hardly ever, except for on hogs, which is we're

1201
00:59:22,200 --> 00:59:24,400
Speaker 4: not talking about right so we're talking about white tail.

1202
00:59:25,760 --> 00:59:27,200
Speaker 3: One daylight picture.

1203
00:59:28,320 --> 00:59:31,919
Speaker 4: That means that but cruised through, he didn't hang out,

1204
00:59:32,000 --> 00:59:35,080
Speaker 4: he didn't check a scrape, he didn't tend to go there.

1205
00:59:36,280 --> 00:59:41,120
Speaker 4: I would This is a little bit location dependent, but

1206
00:59:41,200 --> 00:59:43,240
Speaker 4: let's just say we're kind of like in the Midwest,

1207
00:59:44,240 --> 00:59:46,160
Speaker 4: and uh, do your covering ground.

1208
00:59:46,680 --> 00:59:47,000
Speaker 3: Uh.

1209
00:59:47,080 --> 00:59:51,200
Speaker 4: I would probably just use that as an indicator as

1210
00:59:51,240 --> 00:59:54,320
Speaker 4: to the time of day that I think bucks may

1211
00:59:54,360 --> 00:59:57,040
Speaker 4: be on their feet, and I'm.

1212
00:59:56,920 --> 01:00:00,959
Speaker 3: Probably wouldn't let it affect my decis to go hunt

1213
01:00:00,960 --> 01:00:02,880
Speaker 3: that particular buck at that place.

1214
01:00:03,120 --> 01:00:07,160
Speaker 4: Too much, except for I'm gonna kind of just pretty

1215
01:00:07,240 --> 01:00:10,960
Speaker 4: much rewrite what I just said. I know he's in

1216
01:00:11,000 --> 01:00:14,960
Speaker 4: the area, and that means a lot to me, so

1217
01:00:15,080 --> 01:00:18,200
Speaker 4: like I'm not I'm not gonna go and think that

1218
01:00:18,240 --> 01:00:23,120
Speaker 4: I'm gonna go set up and hunt him that exact

1219
01:00:23,240 --> 01:00:24,400
Speaker 4: pattern for the next day.

1220
01:00:25,240 --> 01:00:28,200
Speaker 3: In fact, this happened for me in Oklahoma this past year.

1221
01:00:28,200 --> 01:00:30,800
Speaker 4: It wasn't it was like three days, but three days

1222
01:00:30,800 --> 01:00:33,520
Speaker 4: before I had the picture of the deer I killed

1223
01:00:33,560 --> 01:00:36,400
Speaker 4: in Oklahoma, had a picture of him at night even

1224
01:00:36,520 --> 01:00:38,560
Speaker 4: I believe it was or maybe it was real late

1225
01:00:38,680 --> 01:00:43,480
Speaker 4: or something, and we're actually were having a slow hunt,

1226
01:00:43,760 --> 01:00:46,840
Speaker 4: and uh, that gave me the confidence to just know

1227
01:00:46,920 --> 01:00:48,919
Speaker 4: that that deer does live in that area, he's there,

1228
01:00:49,200 --> 01:00:52,400
Speaker 4: like he's he's not super far away, and went in

1229
01:00:52,440 --> 01:00:55,880
Speaker 4: there on a first time set and killed him and

1230
01:00:55,920 --> 01:00:58,200
Speaker 4: on a morning whenever he was there, like I think

1231
01:00:58,240 --> 01:01:00,480
Speaker 4: it was like eleven thirty pm, you know, or something

1232
01:01:00,560 --> 01:01:00,880
Speaker 4: like that.

1233
01:01:01,280 --> 01:01:05,160
Speaker 3: So it's almost like the picture of the buck just

1234
01:01:05,240 --> 01:01:05,840
Speaker 3: lets me know.

1235
01:01:05,840 --> 01:01:09,200
Speaker 4: That he's still alive and that he is in the area,

1236
01:01:09,680 --> 01:01:12,520
Speaker 4: and then I still just make the best hunting decision

1237
01:01:12,640 --> 01:01:13,920
Speaker 4: I can at that moment.

1238
01:01:14,040 --> 01:01:14,520
Speaker 3: So, like.

1239
01:01:16,320 --> 01:01:18,480
Speaker 4: I guess your scenario was, you're going into a place

1240
01:01:18,520 --> 01:01:20,560
Speaker 4: you feel good about, but then you see that there

1241
01:01:20,640 --> 01:01:24,040
Speaker 4: was a deer yesterday at another place. If I feel

1242
01:01:24,440 --> 01:01:26,600
Speaker 4: I felt good about my spot, there's a reason I'm

1243
01:01:26,600 --> 01:01:28,760
Speaker 4: there in the first place, right, And I didn't choose

1244
01:01:28,800 --> 01:01:32,440
Speaker 4: the other place because I didn't feel as good about it.

1245
01:01:32,560 --> 01:01:36,240
Speaker 4: So you probably shouldn't let it rewrite what you're doing.

1246
01:01:36,240 --> 01:01:39,520
Speaker 4: For that evening, just because something else happened yesterday at

1247
01:01:39,520 --> 01:01:42,520
Speaker 4: the other place that was a little convoluted. I didn't

1248
01:01:42,520 --> 01:01:43,760
Speaker 4: really have a lot of direction, but I did the

1249
01:01:43,800 --> 01:01:45,840
Speaker 4: whole just talk my thoughts like you asked for.

1250
01:01:46,040 --> 01:01:48,160
Speaker 2: So that's perfect.

1251
01:01:48,120 --> 01:01:52,760
Speaker 4: And just the gist of it is that I would

1252
01:01:52,840 --> 01:01:57,040
Speaker 4: continue on with the plan if I felt good about it,

1253
01:01:57,080 --> 01:01:59,240
Speaker 4: and that was the scenario, like if there's if you're

1254
01:01:59,440 --> 01:02:01,640
Speaker 4: a number one spot, is your ain't number one spot,

1255
01:02:01,720 --> 01:02:03,920
Speaker 4: and all the conditions are set up right for it,

1256
01:02:04,040 --> 01:02:05,240
Speaker 4: then go hunt.

1257
01:02:05,040 --> 01:02:07,240
Speaker 3: That because it's the rut and it's gonna be good.

1258
01:02:07,680 --> 01:02:10,560
Speaker 2: Trust it. Yeah, I like it? How about you, Tyl?

1259
01:02:12,840 --> 01:02:15,040
Speaker 5: I would say November tenth is one of my favorite,

1260
01:02:15,200 --> 01:02:16,480
Speaker 5: maybe my favorite date.

1261
01:02:16,840 --> 01:02:19,480
Speaker 3: You killed the buck on remember tenth? I killed the

1262
01:02:19,960 --> 01:02:22,800
Speaker 3: nameless on November tenth. Yeah, I killed a big one.

1263
01:02:22,880 --> 01:02:25,760
Speaker 5: My biggest year. I killed on the eleventh. But I

1264
01:02:25,880 --> 01:02:27,640
Speaker 5: like the tenth a lot, which I don't. I don't

1265
01:02:27,680 --> 01:02:30,520
Speaker 5: hunt the upper Upper Midwest much, you know, so it's

1266
01:02:30,520 --> 01:02:33,320
Speaker 5: probably different and it's just a long way from home,

1267
01:02:33,360 --> 01:02:35,400
Speaker 5: so we don't ever make it up to you know,

1268
01:02:35,720 --> 01:02:37,640
Speaker 5: weird places like Michigan too often, but.

1269
01:02:39,160 --> 01:02:41,440
Speaker 2: We I love welcome.

1270
01:02:44,280 --> 01:02:45,200
Speaker 3: I was there this summer.

1271
01:02:45,240 --> 01:02:50,880
Speaker 5: Actually it's great, great, save you a great sea anyway.

1272
01:02:51,600 --> 01:02:52,480
Speaker 2: Didn't even go fishing.

1273
01:02:55,240 --> 01:02:57,720
Speaker 5: So I, like I said, I like the tenth a

1274
01:02:57,800 --> 01:03:01,280
Speaker 5: lot because I think it's one of the most rage

1275
01:03:01,640 --> 01:03:03,480
Speaker 5: rout rage days of the whole year.

1276
01:03:03,520 --> 01:03:05,280
Speaker 3: I feel like in a lot of the places I hunt.

1277
01:03:05,400 --> 01:03:08,640
Speaker 5: And so with that in mind, seeing that picture is

1278
01:03:08,680 --> 01:03:10,840
Speaker 5: not really gonna divert my plan.

1279
01:03:11,240 --> 01:03:12,520
Speaker 3: In fact, I'm with case.

1280
01:03:12,680 --> 01:03:14,920
Speaker 5: It's almost like if I have a plan, I'm headed somewhere,

1281
01:03:15,000 --> 01:03:18,400
Speaker 5: I'm not divert diverting from that for any sort of

1282
01:03:18,600 --> 01:03:21,520
Speaker 5: positive influence. Really it's it would only be for a

1283
01:03:21,600 --> 01:03:24,240
Speaker 5: negative influence, like the Winkie's track being in there.

1284
01:03:24,160 --> 01:03:28,760
Speaker 3: You know. So I feel like that it's not gonna

1285
01:03:28,800 --> 01:03:29,280
Speaker 3: divert me.

1286
01:03:30,280 --> 01:03:33,000
Speaker 5: And I would just make a note that the reason

1287
01:03:34,120 --> 01:03:37,840
Speaker 5: cell cams are are are great, but just trail cameras

1288
01:03:38,000 --> 01:03:40,520
Speaker 5: in general are a big part of what we do

1289
01:03:42,240 --> 01:03:46,920
Speaker 5: that just helps us to learn more about like like

1290
01:03:47,320 --> 01:03:49,720
Speaker 5: I can't tell you how many times that I'm able

1291
01:03:49,800 --> 01:03:51,080
Speaker 5: to or either one of us.

1292
01:03:51,120 --> 01:03:52,800
Speaker 3: I mean, like the story he just mentioned, or able

1293
01:03:52,840 --> 01:03:53,680
Speaker 3: to kill a deer.

1294
01:03:55,400 --> 01:04:00,200
Speaker 5: Not necessarily where the trail camera was, but because we

1295
01:04:00,320 --> 01:04:03,520
Speaker 5: had photos of him at a certain time, especially like

1296
01:04:03,760 --> 01:04:06,080
Speaker 5: night photos. We'll get night photos a lot because we're

1297
01:04:06,160 --> 01:04:08,120
Speaker 5: running and setting a camera right next to the.

1298
01:04:08,160 --> 01:04:10,600
Speaker 3: Road and hiding it, you know, down low in the

1299
01:04:10,680 --> 01:04:13,919
Speaker 3: grass or something, and they're easy to check.

1300
01:04:14,200 --> 01:04:18,160
Speaker 5: So it's a it's a time efficiency thing. But you

1301
01:04:18,240 --> 01:04:21,000
Speaker 5: know you're gonna get get dark pictures. But then that's

1302
01:04:21,040 --> 01:04:24,120
Speaker 5: when you start making assumptions about betting and and also

1303
01:04:24,320 --> 01:04:28,400
Speaker 5: like you know, uh, deer density assumptions for that property

1304
01:04:28,480 --> 01:04:31,520
Speaker 5: or that area as well. So you know, the one

1305
01:04:31,640 --> 01:04:34,000
Speaker 5: buck is not really gonna fire me up, even if

1306
01:04:34,000 --> 01:04:37,000
Speaker 5: it's a monster, a monster mind, but yeah, he's not

1307
01:04:37,080 --> 01:04:40,200
Speaker 5: gonna he's not gonna like, uh, one thirty walking through

1308
01:04:40,240 --> 01:04:43,680
Speaker 5: there is probably not gonna really change a whole lot

1309
01:04:43,800 --> 01:04:47,000
Speaker 5: for me. But if you know, a one oh five

1310
01:04:47,120 --> 01:04:49,920
Speaker 5: and two, when thirties walk through there within like a

1311
01:04:50,000 --> 01:04:51,280
Speaker 5: four or five day window.

1312
01:04:51,120 --> 01:04:53,440
Speaker 3: I might start thinking about what's going on over there,

1313
01:04:53,480 --> 01:04:53,680
Speaker 3: you know.

1314
01:04:53,840 --> 01:04:57,680
Speaker 5: So it really is more that those trail cameras uh

1315
01:04:58,560 --> 01:05:02,080
Speaker 5: allow us to think about areas that maybe we weren't

1316
01:05:02,080 --> 01:05:03,160
Speaker 5: one hundred percent sure about.

1317
01:05:03,160 --> 01:05:04,760
Speaker 3: I mean, they're just the eyes when we're not there,

1318
01:05:04,840 --> 01:05:06,640
Speaker 3: you know, Mark, I want to change my answer if

1319
01:05:06,680 --> 01:05:09,080
Speaker 3: a one ninety is on there the day before I'm

1320
01:05:09,120 --> 01:05:11,840
Speaker 3: going to the other place. I'm gonna make it, you know,

1321
01:05:12,040 --> 01:05:13,760
Speaker 3: like it's kind of a joke, but it is true.

1322
01:05:13,840 --> 01:05:18,960
Speaker 4: I mean, there's hardly anyone who is solely motivated for

1323
01:05:19,080 --> 01:05:22,160
Speaker 4: me when he comes to Honting, right, I mean, there's

1324
01:05:22,200 --> 01:05:25,160
Speaker 4: a ton of motivations. It's the experience, it's the camaraderie.

1325
01:05:25,600 --> 01:05:28,360
Speaker 4: It's absolutely for me. I love big giant bucks with

1326
01:05:28,400 --> 01:05:31,480
Speaker 4: big antlers. I think they're the coolest animal on the planet,

1327
01:05:31,600 --> 01:05:35,160
Speaker 4: or one of them. Right, So if if there's a

1328
01:05:35,280 --> 01:05:38,240
Speaker 4: world class deer on the other camera, I'm probably changing

1329
01:05:38,400 --> 01:05:41,280
Speaker 4: my plan, but otherwise stick with your answer.

1330
01:05:42,040 --> 01:05:44,160
Speaker 2: So then that brings up though another follow up kind

1331
01:05:44,200 --> 01:05:47,520
Speaker 2: of as Tyler was describing his thought process there, I

1332
01:05:47,640 --> 01:05:50,200
Speaker 2: do wonder like, what would get you, guys, other than

1333
01:05:50,200 --> 01:05:52,120
Speaker 2: it being a mega giant, what would get you to

1334
01:05:52,280 --> 01:05:56,080
Speaker 2: change that answer? So, same exact scenario. But now if

1335
01:05:56,120 --> 01:05:58,920
Speaker 2: I told you that there were two different mature Bucks

1336
01:05:59,160 --> 01:06:01,919
Speaker 2: that showed up in daily that evening, is that enough

1337
01:06:02,120 --> 01:06:04,760
Speaker 2: or would it take three? So if you saw three

1338
01:06:04,920 --> 01:06:07,120
Speaker 2: different mature Bucks come through the same place in the

1339
01:06:07,160 --> 01:06:08,960
Speaker 2: same evening, would that be enough to be like, oh,

1340
01:06:09,200 --> 01:06:11,760
Speaker 2: there's something like, what would that be? Is there a number?

1341
01:06:11,840 --> 01:06:13,440
Speaker 2: Is there a threshold for both of you?

1342
01:06:13,920 --> 01:06:16,320
Speaker 5: Two is two is definitely something to kind of raise

1343
01:06:16,360 --> 01:06:20,480
Speaker 5: your eyebrow about. I mean it's like two, you're starting

1344
01:06:20,520 --> 01:06:23,720
Speaker 5: to make some considerations. Especially man, if you if you

1345
01:06:23,840 --> 01:06:27,560
Speaker 5: do get the truck camera picture that is a scrape

1346
01:06:27,800 --> 01:06:30,560
Speaker 5: over a scrape, and it's it's you know, like if

1347
01:06:30,600 --> 01:06:32,440
Speaker 5: it's just uh, if you just got this thing on

1348
01:06:32,520 --> 01:06:35,520
Speaker 5: a fence post in like a low spot that.

1349
01:06:35,640 --> 01:06:38,360
Speaker 3: Goes uh, you know, by the road or whatever.

1350
01:06:39,320 --> 01:06:40,680
Speaker 5: I may not do that, but if you're in a

1351
01:06:40,720 --> 01:06:42,840
Speaker 5: spot that like you could hang pretty close to that

1352
01:06:42,960 --> 01:06:47,040
Speaker 5: camera and potentially kill them, uh, you know, over a

1353
01:06:47,120 --> 01:06:50,000
Speaker 5: scrape or something like that, that just kind of gives

1354
01:06:50,000 --> 01:06:52,280
Speaker 5: you a few more signals as to what's going on.

1355
01:06:53,760 --> 01:06:55,480
Speaker 3: Then that that makes a difference for sure.

1356
01:06:55,520 --> 01:06:58,360
Speaker 5: And I think I think definitely I would start thinking

1357
01:06:58,400 --> 01:07:00,760
Speaker 5: about it if two did that in one night, Yeah.

1358
01:07:00,640 --> 01:07:04,320
Speaker 4: I would want to know how closely were time wise too,

1359
01:07:04,520 --> 01:07:06,440
Speaker 4: I think that would make a difference. Yeah, yeah, And

1360
01:07:07,280 --> 01:07:09,760
Speaker 4: if they were hitting the same direction, if there was

1361
01:07:09,840 --> 01:07:12,640
Speaker 4: a dough on camera right before that, because in my mind,

1362
01:07:12,760 --> 01:07:14,440
Speaker 4: the first scenari that pops up is like, oh, hot

1363
01:07:14,520 --> 01:07:18,760
Speaker 4: Dough went through because this actually happened in Oklahoma. There

1364
01:07:18,880 --> 01:07:23,360
Speaker 4: was like three bucks that were all shooters within like

1365
01:07:23,440 --> 01:07:26,320
Speaker 4: a forty five minute period on a camera. I don't

1366
01:07:26,360 --> 01:07:28,120
Speaker 4: even think we were in state at the time when

1367
01:07:28,120 --> 01:07:31,440
Speaker 4: that happened, but it was like, Wow, something happened that

1368
01:07:31,560 --> 01:07:32,320
Speaker 4: day that was wild.

1369
01:07:32,880 --> 01:07:35,400
Speaker 3: And so I think that if you.

1370
01:07:35,400 --> 01:07:39,760
Speaker 4: Want to capitalize on like that concentration of bucks, you

1371
01:07:39,840 --> 01:07:42,120
Speaker 4: absolutely have to go in there because they're not going

1372
01:07:42,200 --> 01:07:45,640
Speaker 4: to do that. They're they're aggressive, right, They're not territorial,

1373
01:07:45,720 --> 01:07:48,520
Speaker 4: but like they're gonna work out that pecking order within

1374
01:07:48,600 --> 01:07:51,240
Speaker 4: the first couple of days that all three bucks happened

1375
01:07:51,280 --> 01:07:54,520
Speaker 4: to be in the same core area, So it might

1376
01:07:54,600 --> 01:07:57,240
Speaker 4: be a time when you're like, Okay, these guys are

1377
01:07:57,280 --> 01:07:59,720
Speaker 4: feeling frisky, let's go in there and do some aggressive

1378
01:07:59,720 --> 01:08:00,760
Speaker 4: calling and kill one of them.

1379
01:08:01,440 --> 01:08:04,320
Speaker 2: Yep, yep. Yeah, that would definitely make it more interesting

1380
01:08:04,360 --> 01:08:06,760
Speaker 2: when you've got multiple bucks doing the same thing. Yeah,

1381
01:08:07,800 --> 01:08:11,120
Speaker 2: all right, so rapid fire here. I'm going to ask

1382
01:08:11,200 --> 01:08:14,080
Speaker 2: you guys a series of questions and you can only

1383
01:08:14,160 --> 01:08:16,920
Speaker 2: answer like the one word answer. I'm going to give

1384
01:08:16,920 --> 01:08:19,720
Speaker 2: you no explanation, and I want you to say the

1385
01:08:19,840 --> 01:08:22,719
Speaker 2: answers at the exact same time, so it'll be like playing.

1386
01:08:23,040 --> 01:08:24,880
Speaker 2: It'll be like, you know, paper scissors rock kind of,

1387
01:08:24,920 --> 01:08:26,599
Speaker 2: but you'll both say the answer at the same time.

1388
01:08:26,760 --> 01:08:31,240
Speaker 3: Okay, is that really worded?

1389
01:08:32,120 --> 01:08:35,240
Speaker 2: How do you say it? You know that sounds that

1390
01:08:35,320 --> 01:08:37,160
Speaker 2: does some better? That sounds right. I think I'm just

1391
01:08:37,439 --> 01:08:40,240
Speaker 2: I think I'm just I'm thrown off here.

1392
01:08:40,360 --> 01:08:42,720
Speaker 4: Hey dude, I'm like thankful to no guy that can

1393
01:08:42,840 --> 01:08:45,120
Speaker 4: like reorder the words on the make.

1394
01:08:45,000 --> 01:08:46,000
Speaker 3: It work like.

1395
01:08:48,240 --> 01:08:54,240
Speaker 2: I'm a little different. All right, all right, So are

1396
01:08:54,240 --> 01:08:58,200
Speaker 2: you guys ready? Yep, all right, And I know the

1397
01:08:58,280 --> 01:09:00,080
Speaker 2: answers to some of these for you guys, but for

1398
01:09:00,160 --> 01:09:03,000
Speaker 2: the sake of the audience, give me your your your answer,

1399
01:09:03,400 --> 01:09:06,240
Speaker 2: same time. One word. Here we go. Would you take

1400
01:09:06,280 --> 01:09:08,720
Speaker 2: a fifty yard shot at a white tail with your bow?

1401
01:09:08,960 --> 01:09:13,800
Speaker 2: Yes or no? Yes? If you could only it's pretty

1402
01:09:13,800 --> 01:09:17,400
Speaker 2: funny here and you guys synchronized like that. If you

1403
01:09:17,479 --> 01:09:20,160
Speaker 2: could only have one of these, one of these tools

1404
01:09:20,200 --> 01:09:21,680
Speaker 2: for the rest of your hunts, for the rest of

1405
01:09:21,760 --> 01:09:25,280
Speaker 2: your days. You have to pick rattling antlers or grunt

1406
01:09:25,320 --> 01:09:31,960
Speaker 2: tube which she picks hm hm expandable or fixed blade

1407
01:09:36,720 --> 01:09:46,040
Speaker 2: expandable or fixed blade broadheads, A hard time, not just

1408
01:09:46,160 --> 01:09:48,439
Speaker 2: like envisioning you two goofballs in the truck looking at

1409
01:09:48,479 --> 01:09:56,759
Speaker 2: each other and last to do this. Should you stop

1410
01:09:56,840 --> 01:09:59,439
Speaker 2: a buck with some kind of sound before shooting with

1411
01:09:59,520 --> 01:10:00,559
Speaker 2: a bow? Yes or no.

1412
01:10:03,280 --> 01:10:03,519
Speaker 4: Question?

1413
01:10:05,040 --> 01:10:06,200
Speaker 2: You gotta yes or no.

1414
01:10:06,640 --> 01:10:09,360
Speaker 3: It's not answer no question, but I just gotta give

1415
01:10:10,720 --> 01:10:14,600
Speaker 3: just you know, just thank the questions that.

1416
01:10:16,080 --> 01:10:20,280
Speaker 2: Yes, all right? Does the moon matter to deer movement? Yes?

1417
01:10:20,479 --> 01:10:20,640
Speaker 4: Or no?

1418
01:10:21,439 --> 01:10:21,479
Speaker 2: No?

1419
01:10:21,760 --> 01:10:21,800
Speaker 3: No?

1420
01:10:22,960 --> 01:10:25,720
Speaker 2: If you could, if you could only hunt mornings or

1421
01:10:25,760 --> 01:10:28,280
Speaker 2: evenings for this entire coming season, so you got to

1422
01:10:28,360 --> 01:10:31,040
Speaker 2: you can only get one of the other take mornings

1423
01:10:31,240 --> 01:10:32,160
Speaker 2: or evenings.

1424
01:10:34,120 --> 01:10:39,599
Speaker 3: Mornings? Can you even tell who's answering? Kind of okay,

1425
01:10:40,640 --> 01:10:41,439
Speaker 3: I'm a heating guy.

1426
01:10:41,960 --> 01:10:44,760
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, now this is less of a rapid

1427
01:10:44,800 --> 01:10:46,880
Speaker 2: fire question. You guys can explain yourselves a little bit

1428
01:10:46,920 --> 01:10:48,960
Speaker 2: on this, but but keep it kind of short. I

1429
01:10:49,080 --> 01:10:52,000
Speaker 2: rule the world. I'm in control of your hunting fate.

1430
01:10:52,400 --> 01:10:55,280
Speaker 2: Maybe you guys know this one. I'm gonna take away

1431
01:10:55,320 --> 01:10:57,800
Speaker 2: your hunting rights and privileges for the rest of your

1432
01:10:57,840 --> 01:11:02,519
Speaker 2: life unless you kill a mature buck this year. So

1433
01:11:02,640 --> 01:11:04,280
Speaker 2: you gotta kill a mature buck this year.

1434
01:11:04,800 --> 01:11:11,519
Speaker 3: Well about Michigan mature because you said that and a half.

1435
01:11:12,040 --> 01:11:14,320
Speaker 2: You gotta you gotta kill. I'm gonna tell you a

1436
01:11:14,360 --> 01:11:15,679
Speaker 2: four and a half year old buck or older.

1437
01:11:15,920 --> 01:11:16,720
Speaker 3: Okay, all right.

1438
01:11:17,200 --> 01:11:20,479
Speaker 2: And here's the trick though, is you only get one

1439
01:11:20,640 --> 01:11:24,320
Speaker 2: day to do it, and you only have one stand site,

1440
01:11:24,400 --> 01:11:26,360
Speaker 2: like one location. So what I need you each to

1441
01:11:26,400 --> 01:11:29,680
Speaker 2: tell me is pick the date on the calendar you're

1442
01:11:29,720 --> 01:11:33,200
Speaker 2: gonna select for this one hunt, and then describe to

1443
01:11:33,320 --> 01:11:36,320
Speaker 2: me the setup you would choose for this very high

1444
01:11:36,439 --> 01:11:39,920
Speaker 2: stakes hunt. I have my I'm gonna throw it, and

1445
01:11:40,479 --> 01:11:42,559
Speaker 2: you got a minute or so to give me your explanation.

1446
01:11:43,240 --> 01:11:46,160
Speaker 3: Okay, all right?

1447
01:11:46,320 --> 01:11:49,080
Speaker 5: So I would I would go head to shoot a

1448
01:11:49,160 --> 01:11:51,920
Speaker 5: mature buck four and a half, right, four and a half?

1449
01:11:52,880 --> 01:11:55,040
Speaker 3: Man, If I if you were gonna take my privileges,

1450
01:11:55,120 --> 01:11:56,439
Speaker 3: I need to guarantee, so.

1451
01:11:56,600 --> 01:12:01,960
Speaker 5: I I would go probably some more south of Correzo Springs, Texas,

1452
01:12:02,800 --> 01:12:11,400
Speaker 5: and I would hunt. I would hunt some sort of corn,

1453
01:12:11,680 --> 01:12:15,360
Speaker 5: whether it's uh. They have feeders that go on trucks

1454
01:12:15,400 --> 01:12:18,000
Speaker 5: and they'll feed in entire cindaro, like a thousand yards

1455
01:12:18,120 --> 01:12:19,920
Speaker 5: or whatever, and then they'll turn around.

1456
01:12:20,000 --> 01:12:21,439
Speaker 3: There will be some deer that come out, you know,

1457
01:12:22,000 --> 01:12:23,479
Speaker 3: depending on if they're used.

1458
01:12:23,320 --> 01:12:24,880
Speaker 5: To that, which a lot of those ranches down their

1459
01:12:24,880 --> 01:12:28,560
Speaker 5: feet a lot, but either that or a feeder, and

1460
01:12:29,200 --> 01:12:35,920
Speaker 5: I would shoot a I'd probably shoot like maybe like

1461
01:12:36,000 --> 01:12:38,800
Speaker 5: a two seventy or something like a like a deer rifle,

1462
01:12:38,880 --> 01:12:40,080
Speaker 5: you know what I mean. I would shoot them with

1463
01:12:40,080 --> 01:12:45,320
Speaker 5: a riffle, and I would shoot the most popability dear

1464
01:12:45,360 --> 01:12:46,920
Speaker 5: I could find near the corn.

1465
01:12:47,080 --> 01:12:49,840
Speaker 3: And that that's how I do. It's it's freaking oh

1466
01:12:49,960 --> 01:12:59,320
Speaker 3: they December, uh, December Colley. That's a tough one. Twentieth

1467
01:13:02,080 --> 01:13:03,519
Speaker 3: I've never gotten that answer before.

1468
01:13:03,640 --> 01:13:05,560
Speaker 2: That is a brand new one. So you guys, you

1469
01:13:05,640 --> 01:13:08,040
Speaker 2: texta guys, give a new perspective. What about you?

1470
01:13:08,160 --> 01:13:11,200
Speaker 3: Kis? I mean that is about My answer is to

1471
01:13:11,280 --> 01:13:11,960
Speaker 3: hunt us. Uh.

1472
01:13:12,240 --> 01:13:14,519
Speaker 4: You know one of those tower blinds in South Texas

1473
01:13:15,200 --> 01:13:18,320
Speaker 4: that you get to look at five scenarios and I

1474
01:13:18,439 --> 01:13:20,400
Speaker 4: probably would shoot seven mag because that's what I have.

1475
01:13:21,400 --> 01:13:25,800
Speaker 4: But you I would want a powerful deer offle so

1476
01:13:25,920 --> 01:13:28,920
Speaker 4: that you know you're going to kill them, good range,

1477
01:13:29,040 --> 01:13:34,400
Speaker 4: flat trajectory. And I would pick December fourteenth because it's

1478
01:13:34,400 --> 01:13:37,400
Speaker 4: my birthday. That's the only that's the only other difference

1479
01:13:37,439 --> 01:13:40,640
Speaker 4: I think that I would have in there. But I mean, uh,

1480
01:13:40,960 --> 01:13:43,839
Speaker 4: you want to talk about mature deer per square miles.

1481
01:13:43,960 --> 01:13:46,400
Speaker 4: There's probably not a better place in the country, and

1482
01:13:46,520 --> 01:13:48,360
Speaker 4: you're giving us budget to have private.

1483
01:13:48,200 --> 01:13:51,800
Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, you filled in the blanks. The are

1484
01:13:51,840 --> 01:13:55,559
Speaker 2: to help yourself out, which is fair. All right, guys,

1485
01:13:55,640 --> 01:13:57,800
Speaker 2: Well you you made it to the gauntlet. I think

1486
01:13:57,880 --> 01:14:01,160
Speaker 2: you guys would have would have kept your privileges. I

1487
01:14:01,240 --> 01:14:02,800
Speaker 2: believe in your in your strategy.

1488
01:14:02,880 --> 01:14:05,320
Speaker 5: So well then you know, and i'd say that like

1489
01:14:05,560 --> 01:14:07,840
Speaker 5: if it was it was for hunting privileges. I mean,

1490
01:14:07,960 --> 01:14:10,200
Speaker 5: it's been like an entire year's salary on that thing.

1491
01:14:10,600 --> 01:14:13,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, so you do what you got to do. Definitely,

1492
01:14:13,080 --> 01:14:15,320
Speaker 3: it's yeah, it's within the budget for that kind of.

1493
01:14:17,240 --> 01:14:20,160
Speaker 2: H Well, this is fun. I especially enjoy the rapid

1494
01:14:20,240 --> 01:14:22,760
Speaker 2: fire imagining what it looked like in the truck with

1495
01:14:22,840 --> 01:14:28,439
Speaker 2: you guys. Yeah, if only if only we had the

1496
01:14:28,520 --> 01:14:32,080
Speaker 2: video for that part. But real quick, real quick, guys.

1497
01:14:32,280 --> 01:14:36,120
Speaker 2: Uh for folks listen at home, when can they see

1498
01:14:36,160 --> 01:14:39,519
Speaker 2: the final couple episodes of Buck Truck. Where can they

1499
01:14:39,560 --> 01:14:42,760
Speaker 2: see that? And is there anything particular we've got to

1500
01:14:42,800 --> 01:14:45,000
Speaker 2: look forward to the Restless Fall As far as content

1501
01:14:45,080 --> 01:14:46,559
Speaker 2: coming out from the Element in your team.

1502
01:14:46,800 --> 01:14:48,240
Speaker 3: Oh, the for sure.

1503
01:14:48,280 --> 01:14:51,200
Speaker 4: The episode with Mark Kenyon and Texas is going to

1504
01:14:51,280 --> 01:14:55,800
Speaker 4: be uh you know, fan favorite for the Wired US too.

1505
01:14:55,880 --> 01:14:57,679
Speaker 3: It was a lot of fun and so I'm excited.

1506
01:14:57,680 --> 01:14:59,880
Speaker 3: I don't remember those dates for sure, but I've got

1507
01:15:00,080 --> 01:15:00,800
Speaker 3: the dates now.

1508
01:15:00,960 --> 01:15:05,439
Speaker 5: As Mark knows, this could change, right yes, September seventh

1509
01:15:06,479 --> 01:15:09,040
Speaker 5: is a buck Truck episode with old Clay Nukelem and

1510
01:15:10,200 --> 01:15:14,000
Speaker 5: our episode with you Mark where we decided against putting

1511
01:15:14,080 --> 01:15:15,639
Speaker 5: Chili's in your sweet teeth.

1512
01:15:16,240 --> 01:15:20,920
Speaker 3: Uh, just on that One's good. Oh yeah, we gotta

1513
01:15:20,920 --> 01:15:22,240
Speaker 3: we gotta tell that story before. Yeah.

1514
01:15:22,840 --> 01:15:22,960
Speaker 2: Uh.

1515
01:15:23,680 --> 01:15:27,000
Speaker 3: October twenty sixth looks like sweet.

1516
01:15:27,640 --> 01:15:30,560
Speaker 5: Uh yeah, that's gonna those are two episodes will be

1517
01:15:30,600 --> 01:15:34,880
Speaker 5: on the med Eater YouTube channel, and then we will

1518
01:15:34,960 --> 01:15:38,679
Speaker 5: be putting out Element stuff on the Element YouTube channel,

1519
01:15:38,920 --> 01:15:40,600
Speaker 5: just kind of as we go and fill in.

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01:15:40,760 --> 01:15:43,599
Speaker 3: I mean, I think we're out hunting right now.

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01:15:43,800 --> 01:15:47,000
Speaker 5: So uh, you'll probably be seeing some videos from this

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01:15:47,120 --> 01:15:50,880
Speaker 5: season on the Element channel in August, starting in August,

1523
01:15:51,080 --> 01:15:55,200
Speaker 5: so yeah, that's I mean, you find us on Instagram

1524
01:15:55,280 --> 01:15:57,800
Speaker 5: and all the all the good places. Uh, Mark, I

1525
01:15:57,920 --> 01:16:00,400
Speaker 5: just want to say, man, it's uh, I know you

1526
01:16:00,439 --> 01:16:02,759
Speaker 5: get told this a lot and it probably like doesn't

1527
01:16:02,760 --> 01:16:05,439
Speaker 5: really strike you, but like, uh it is an honor

1528
01:16:05,520 --> 01:16:07,600
Speaker 5: to be on your podcast, to be interviewed and to

1529
01:16:07,640 --> 01:16:09,640
Speaker 5: be able to just kind of give our insights man,

1530
01:16:09,680 --> 01:16:12,120
Speaker 5: because there's so many people that have listened to your

1531
01:16:12,160 --> 01:16:15,799
Speaker 5: podcast over years, man, and uh, it is the premiere

1532
01:16:15,920 --> 01:16:17,120
Speaker 5: whitetail hunting podcast.

1533
01:16:17,200 --> 01:16:19,400
Speaker 3: Man. I appreciate what you do and I appreciate your

1534
01:16:19,400 --> 01:16:20,360
Speaker 3: friendship a lot. Man.

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01:16:21,400 --> 01:16:23,439
Speaker 2: Well, thank you for saying that right back at you. Guys.

1536
01:16:23,640 --> 01:16:26,280
Speaker 2: It's uh if we're if we're blowing smoke off talons,

1537
01:16:26,439 --> 01:16:29,400
Speaker 2: I'll keep it going. And to say, it's been really

1538
01:16:29,439 --> 01:16:32,080
Speaker 2: fun to see your guys' journey and evolution too. And

1539
01:16:32,120 --> 01:16:35,040
Speaker 2: I'm very very glad that you chose to team up

1540
01:16:35,080 --> 01:16:38,880
Speaker 2: with us at Wired Hunting Mediator and it's been great

1541
01:16:38,920 --> 01:16:40,960
Speaker 2: to have you part of the crew. And uh hey,

1542
01:16:41,080 --> 01:16:44,160
Speaker 2: speaking of which, just to tease, coming up very very

1543
01:16:44,280 --> 01:16:47,800
Speaker 2: soon after this episode airs, will be the kickoff of

1544
01:16:47,920 --> 01:16:51,759
Speaker 2: another season of ret Fresh Radio, which is our weekly

1545
01:16:52,560 --> 01:16:55,680
Speaker 2: Dear Activity Report that you two started hosting for us

1546
01:16:55,760 --> 01:16:58,360
Speaker 2: last year and we'll continue this year. So yeah that

1547
01:16:58,760 --> 01:17:00,559
Speaker 2: when this one airs, it'll only be like a week

1548
01:17:00,680 --> 01:17:03,599
Speaker 2: or two out from that kicking off, So get ready

1549
01:17:03,600 --> 01:17:04,639
Speaker 2: for ret Fresh coming soon.

1550
01:17:05,080 --> 01:17:08,000
Speaker 3: All right, Man, I am ready to be real fresh. Hey,

1551
01:17:08,120 --> 01:17:10,720
Speaker 3: when's the when does the one week stuff come out?

1552
01:17:10,800 --> 01:17:10,920
Speaker 2: Man?

1553
01:17:10,920 --> 01:17:11,640
Speaker 3: Can we talk about that?

1554
01:17:12,160 --> 01:17:14,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's supposed to kick off really soon too. I

1555
01:17:14,600 --> 01:17:17,439
Speaker 2: think August twenty ninth is what I heard about the

1556
01:17:17,520 --> 01:17:21,920
Speaker 2: first episode, so as you mentioned, who knows, but last

1557
01:17:21,960 --> 01:17:23,479
Speaker 2: I heard that's when it's supposed to kick off. So

1558
01:17:23,560 --> 01:17:25,799
Speaker 2: we'll be getting into one week in November here shortly.

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01:17:26,400 --> 01:17:28,640
Speaker 3: All right, all right, mark rapid fire for you.

1560
01:17:30,560 --> 01:17:32,400
Speaker 2: You got, you got one question. Then I got to

1561
01:17:32,439 --> 01:17:33,160
Speaker 2: run another meeting.

1562
01:17:34,760 --> 01:17:37,919
Speaker 4: Who has a better chance of making the college football playoffs?

1563
01:17:38,280 --> 01:17:40,360
Speaker 4: Sparti or Michigan?

1564
01:17:40,920 --> 01:17:44,000
Speaker 2: Ah Man, I hate to say this because I love

1565
01:17:44,120 --> 01:17:48,599
Speaker 2: Michigan State and I hate University of Michigan, but Michigan

1566
01:17:48,680 --> 01:17:51,040
Speaker 2: State's football situation does not look good right now. We

1567
01:17:51,200 --> 01:17:53,680
Speaker 2: had our starting quarterback the last two years, transferred out,

1568
01:17:53,760 --> 01:17:56,800
Speaker 2: our number one wide receiver, transferred out, a lot of

1569
01:17:57,000 --> 01:18:00,559
Speaker 2: question marks across the line. So I'm gonna say University

1570
01:18:00,600 --> 01:18:02,479
Speaker 2: of Michigan has a much better chance as much as

1571
01:18:02,479 --> 01:18:03,639
Speaker 2: I help them.

1572
01:18:03,600 --> 01:18:06,320
Speaker 4: Out with the Manilo deals or something. Who gets some

1573
01:18:06,560 --> 01:18:09,720
Speaker 4: recruits in there, bro, that's it.

1574
01:18:11,840 --> 01:18:13,599
Speaker 2: If you guys, if you guys can help us make

1575
01:18:13,640 --> 01:18:15,960
Speaker 2: these podcasts go viral or something. Maybe we'll finally get

1576
01:18:16,000 --> 01:18:18,400
Speaker 2: the payday we've been asking for and we could do that.

1577
01:18:19,280 --> 01:18:21,559
Speaker 4: They would just start hitting the record button before we act,

1578
01:18:21,680 --> 01:18:24,519
Speaker 4: They tell us, then that's true.

1579
01:18:24,640 --> 01:18:28,760
Speaker 2: That would have done it today. All right, guys, thank

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01:18:28,800 --> 01:18:32,439
Speaker 2: you again. Hey, yeah, thanks Mark, all right, and that'll

1581
01:18:32,479 --> 01:18:34,479
Speaker 2: do it for us today. Thank you for tuning in.

1582
01:18:34,640 --> 01:18:36,960
Speaker 2: I appreciate it. A couple of quick updates for you

1583
01:18:37,240 --> 01:18:39,400
Speaker 2: if you're not already signed up for our Wired to

1584
01:18:39,479 --> 01:18:42,760
Speaker 2: Hunt weekly newsletter, heading over to the Meat Eater dot

1585
01:18:42,880 --> 01:18:45,840
Speaker 2: com and sign up there. You'll also see there's a

1586
01:18:45,920 --> 01:18:48,479
Speaker 2: Wired Hunt section on the website there where we've got

1587
01:18:48,800 --> 01:18:51,519
Speaker 2: a whole bunch of new deer hunting articles every week

1588
01:18:51,960 --> 01:18:54,599
Speaker 2: that this time of year are particularly important to get

1589
01:18:54,640 --> 01:18:57,040
Speaker 2: primed and ready for the hunting season coming up. They've

1590
01:18:57,080 --> 01:18:58,840
Speaker 2: got a lot of new ideas there for you. And

1591
01:18:58,920 --> 01:19:01,480
Speaker 2: then finally, make sure you follow Wired to Hunt on Instagram.

1592
01:19:01,880 --> 01:19:03,200
Speaker 2: That's where you're going to see some of my more

1593
01:19:03,280 --> 01:19:07,160
Speaker 2: personal stories, updates from my hunts, things along those lines.

1594
01:19:07,240 --> 01:19:10,519
Speaker 2: So check it all out. Appreciate you, good luck in

1595
01:19:10,560 --> 01:19:14,000
Speaker 2: these final days leading into hunting season, and until next time,

1596
01:19:14,560 --> 01:19:16,800
Speaker 2: stay Wired to Hunt.