1 00:00:03,200 --> 00:00:05,880 Speaker 1: Up with Angela. Yeah, and this is a blessing. We 2 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:08,160 Speaker 1: had Mick Jenkins in the building. I'm blessed to be 3 00:00:08,200 --> 00:00:11,200 Speaker 1: here and the Famili's here. We love it. Yes always, 4 00:00:12,080 --> 00:00:13,960 Speaker 1: I saw you guys. Were you and your wife were 5 00:00:13,960 --> 00:00:14,640 Speaker 1: in Saint Lucia. 6 00:00:15,000 --> 00:00:17,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, that was where we took our honeymoon. Oh okay, 7 00:00:17,320 --> 00:00:20,120 Speaker 2: well we got married in COVID, but it was COVID. 8 00:00:20,360 --> 00:00:21,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, no honeymoon there. 9 00:00:21,840 --> 00:00:25,279 Speaker 2: Yeah. We got to have a bigger celebration last year 10 00:00:25,320 --> 00:00:28,040 Speaker 2: with all our family and friends, and then we went 11 00:00:28,080 --> 00:00:28,680 Speaker 2: to Saint Lucia. 12 00:00:28,960 --> 00:00:31,360 Speaker 1: What was the actual wedding like during COVID. 13 00:00:31,640 --> 00:00:35,519 Speaker 2: Nine people it was? It was COVID, Like, you know, 14 00:00:35,920 --> 00:00:37,519 Speaker 2: I think it made it more special for us. You know, 15 00:00:37,800 --> 00:00:40,280 Speaker 2: we went from I think like one hundred and fifty 16 00:00:40,280 --> 00:00:43,440 Speaker 2: people down at nine people, just close family and friends. 17 00:00:43,479 --> 00:00:46,559 Speaker 2: I actually ended up me and my shout out Samantha 18 00:00:46,600 --> 00:00:49,199 Speaker 2: and DJ. We had it in their backyard. They have 19 00:00:49,240 --> 00:00:52,760 Speaker 2: a really beautiful backyard with a lake and they helped 20 00:00:52,760 --> 00:00:55,440 Speaker 2: me build the awning that we walked under. It was 21 00:00:55,480 --> 00:00:57,960 Speaker 2: really nice, really beautiful, really nice, really intimate. 22 00:00:58,040 --> 00:01:00,160 Speaker 1: So I like that that's a good time because you 23 00:01:00,200 --> 00:01:03,560 Speaker 1: know that COVID could make a breakup relationship or your pockets. 24 00:01:04,600 --> 00:01:07,600 Speaker 2: We saved a lot of money doing it like that, 25 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:11,759 Speaker 2: so that worked out in the long run for sure. 26 00:01:12,160 --> 00:01:16,520 Speaker 1: Well, Listen, anniversaries, big things happening. So obviously we know 27 00:01:16,600 --> 00:01:19,880 Speaker 1: The Waters ten years. How does it feel people always 28 00:01:19,920 --> 00:01:22,800 Speaker 1: talk about still to this day, how that's a classic 29 00:01:22,880 --> 00:01:23,920 Speaker 1: project that you had. 30 00:01:24,520 --> 00:01:26,880 Speaker 2: I'm honored. I'm honored that people feel like it's classic. 31 00:01:26,920 --> 00:01:28,720 Speaker 2: I was having this conversation the other day. For me, 32 00:01:28,760 --> 00:01:31,400 Speaker 2: it's not. The Waters is not a bigger deal to 33 00:01:31,440 --> 00:01:33,360 Speaker 2: me as it is to my fans, And I think 34 00:01:33,560 --> 00:01:35,760 Speaker 2: simply I tell people I made a project when I 35 00:01:35,800 --> 00:01:38,959 Speaker 2: was twenty one years old. I'm thirty three. However much 36 00:01:39,000 --> 00:01:41,200 Speaker 2: you love it, it's not how much I would love it, 37 00:01:41,200 --> 00:01:42,800 Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. It's something that I made 38 00:01:42,880 --> 00:01:45,560 Speaker 2: when I was very much a kid. You know, I 39 00:01:45,600 --> 00:01:48,480 Speaker 2: had a different understanding about life and the things that 40 00:01:48,520 --> 00:01:51,480 Speaker 2: I was talking about that I do now. But this 41 00:01:51,600 --> 00:01:55,600 Speaker 2: tenure and the reversary is like affirming how much it 42 00:01:55,640 --> 00:01:57,720 Speaker 2: means to people. You know. I think it's not a 43 00:01:57,760 --> 00:01:59,920 Speaker 2: small thing to have a body of music, or even 44 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:04,040 Speaker 2: any art that captures the attention of a generation, a 45 00:02:04,080 --> 00:02:06,080 Speaker 2: group of people. You know what I'm saying. Like I 46 00:02:06,120 --> 00:02:08,080 Speaker 2: look at the comments on my Instagram when I posted 47 00:02:08,080 --> 00:02:09,919 Speaker 2: the ten year anniversary, people like, man, it's helped me 48 00:02:09,919 --> 00:02:11,960 Speaker 2: through high school. Man, it's helped me through great school, man. 49 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:14,440 Speaker 2: And it's like that's when I get soft in my heart, like, dang, 50 00:02:14,520 --> 00:02:16,720 Speaker 2: this really touched that many people, you know what I'm saying. 51 00:02:17,040 --> 00:02:19,000 Speaker 1: And it's really I think a lot of the solo 52 00:02:19,120 --> 00:02:22,519 Speaker 1: tracks on that album that people really gravitated to the most. Also, 53 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:24,079 Speaker 1: and that's not an easy thing. Usually people are like, 54 00:02:24,080 --> 00:02:25,520 Speaker 1: who's on it? Who's the guest appearance? 55 00:02:25,639 --> 00:02:28,520 Speaker 2: Right? Right? And I think that gives me value for myself. 56 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:29,760 Speaker 2: I think it's a lot of things in a hip 57 00:02:29,800 --> 00:02:31,919 Speaker 2: hop industry where you can suckond guess yourself and you say, 58 00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:34,480 Speaker 2: am I that good? Am I? But to really have 59 00:02:34,600 --> 00:02:37,960 Speaker 2: so many people affirm what this project's done for them, 60 00:02:37,960 --> 00:02:40,359 Speaker 2: how long they've been listening, where it then took them 61 00:02:40,400 --> 00:02:42,680 Speaker 2: in their lives, like I said in my comments, to 62 00:02:42,680 --> 00:02:46,239 Speaker 2: be able to read through that, man, this is really 63 00:02:46,280 --> 00:02:49,000 Speaker 2: special for me and again for myself and a lot 64 00:02:49,040 --> 00:02:52,920 Speaker 2: of my contemporaries. This is my value. Right, I'm still here. 65 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:55,760 Speaker 2: I'm still here ten years later, I'm still touching people's lives. 66 00:02:55,800 --> 00:02:57,959 Speaker 2: I'm still affecting people's lives with this music. I'm still 67 00:02:58,000 --> 00:02:59,960 Speaker 2: able to sell out shows with this music ten years later. 68 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:03,399 Speaker 2: So I be feeling like, man, for all the lists 69 00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:06,200 Speaker 2: I ain't getting put on for all the Yeah, you know, 70 00:03:06,320 --> 00:03:08,280 Speaker 2: ten years in it's not a light thing. 71 00:03:08,440 --> 00:03:10,400 Speaker 1: So Ye're right about that, because they do be putting 72 00:03:10,400 --> 00:03:12,680 Speaker 1: out all these lists. I was telling un Beat that 73 00:03:12,720 --> 00:03:14,040 Speaker 1: when he was here the other day. You know, he 74 00:03:14,080 --> 00:03:17,760 Speaker 1: loves a list, and so I saw like Complex put 75 00:03:17,760 --> 00:03:21,240 Speaker 1: out the top fifty Atlanta rappers. They could do that 76 00:03:21,280 --> 00:03:22,239 Speaker 1: in Chicago too. 77 00:03:22,560 --> 00:03:26,280 Speaker 2: I mean, in general, I think, yeah, the idea of 78 00:03:27,960 --> 00:03:30,840 Speaker 2: a hierarchy or a ranking makes sense. I'm a competitor, 79 00:03:30,880 --> 00:03:31,480 Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. 80 00:03:31,520 --> 00:03:34,040 Speaker 1: Yes, we know, but when you get. 81 00:03:33,919 --> 00:03:36,880 Speaker 2: Left off for whatever reasons, I mean, it's a lot 82 00:03:36,880 --> 00:03:39,160 Speaker 2: of artists that came to affect you in a major way. 83 00:03:39,560 --> 00:03:41,360 Speaker 2: And so a lot of conversations that I've had with 84 00:03:41,400 --> 00:03:43,800 Speaker 2: like Sobbis you know and No Name and people like myself, 85 00:03:43,800 --> 00:03:46,880 Speaker 2: it is like, man, look at what we're doing. Though. 86 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:48,520 Speaker 2: You know, it's a lot of people on those lists 87 00:03:48,520 --> 00:03:50,800 Speaker 2: who don't have six seven eight albums, who are not 88 00:03:50,880 --> 00:03:53,200 Speaker 2: in it ten twelve, thirteen years later, you understand what 89 00:03:53,240 --> 00:03:54,920 Speaker 2: I'm saying. And so I think there's a lot of 90 00:03:55,040 --> 00:03:58,560 Speaker 2: value in the fact that me and my fans are 91 00:03:58,600 --> 00:04:00,560 Speaker 2: still having that conversation, you know what I'm saying. 92 00:04:00,600 --> 00:04:03,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, and those are loyal hardcore fans too, by the way, 93 00:04:03,640 --> 00:04:06,120 Speaker 1: because I mean, you have this residency here that's sold out, 94 00:04:06,160 --> 00:04:08,560 Speaker 1: so people can't even get tickets crazy at the Blue 95 00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:11,200 Speaker 1: Note celebrating the tenure anniversary of the Waters And that's 96 00:04:11,240 --> 00:04:15,080 Speaker 1: a testament to knowing that no matter what, there's people 97 00:04:15,120 --> 00:04:16,919 Speaker 1: that are going to come out to see and support. 98 00:04:16,960 --> 00:04:20,279 Speaker 1: And I saw when quest Love what's talking about quality music, 99 00:04:20,320 --> 00:04:23,080 Speaker 1: and he definitely named you as somebody who he feels 100 00:04:23,080 --> 00:04:26,040 Speaker 1: like it's overlooked amongst others. And sometimes those people who 101 00:04:26,080 --> 00:04:29,280 Speaker 1: don't get the accolades are the ones that are definitely 102 00:04:29,880 --> 00:04:31,720 Speaker 1: they can tend to be the most talented. 103 00:04:31,880 --> 00:04:34,880 Speaker 2: I appreciate that, man, the quest Love thing, that's the 104 00:04:34,960 --> 00:04:37,800 Speaker 2: kind of stuff that I was gonna say a metaphor, 105 00:04:37,880 --> 00:04:39,560 Speaker 2: but that sent me around my house. You know what 106 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:40,920 Speaker 2: I'm saying, I'm jumping up and down. 107 00:04:40,800 --> 00:04:42,120 Speaker 1: Like Chris Love. 108 00:04:42,360 --> 00:04:44,719 Speaker 2: You know my music. You know what I'm saying. That's 109 00:04:44,720 --> 00:04:47,240 Speaker 2: somebody that I grew up idolizing, and you know, the 110 00:04:47,400 --> 00:04:49,640 Speaker 2: entire Roots band like that, that's the inspiration for me 111 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:51,239 Speaker 2: that informs my music today. 112 00:04:51,360 --> 00:04:53,479 Speaker 1: So yeah, because I feel like black Thought don't get 113 00:04:53,520 --> 00:04:55,359 Speaker 1: also the credit as a lyricist. 114 00:04:55,560 --> 00:04:59,039 Speaker 2: That is a great example. Yeah, the Roots has a 115 00:04:59,040 --> 00:05:05,120 Speaker 2: whole Black thought especially but when I know this right, 116 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:07,760 Speaker 2: when I know that, or even I just saw a 117 00:05:07,920 --> 00:05:11,600 Speaker 2: black thought common uh somebody else. They was all freestyling 118 00:05:11,600 --> 00:05:14,240 Speaker 2: together that was on the internet somewhere else, and it's that. 119 00:05:14,320 --> 00:05:17,720 Speaker 2: It's the camaraderie from the niggas who do get that, 120 00:05:18,040 --> 00:05:19,880 Speaker 2: niggas who are on the list, you know what I'm saying, 121 00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:22,200 Speaker 2: those people who do have a certain respect when they 122 00:05:22,200 --> 00:05:24,360 Speaker 2: see you, when it's all love. When more deaths see 123 00:05:24,400 --> 00:05:25,760 Speaker 2: me and say oh the water, I mean. 124 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:27,800 Speaker 1: Yeah seen because he got mad. I called him most dead. 125 00:05:27,920 --> 00:05:32,560 Speaker 2: Yes, my fault legend, my fault legend. When you see 126 00:05:32,600 --> 00:05:35,039 Speaker 2: me and say what's up, Waters, I'm like, that's the 127 00:05:35,080 --> 00:05:35,960 Speaker 2: validation I need. 128 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:37,920 Speaker 1: And you know his legacy. You see, his daughter has 129 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:40,039 Speaker 1: a huge song going crazy and I love that shit. 130 00:05:40,080 --> 00:05:41,400 Speaker 1: I was like, she got his whole face. 131 00:05:41,520 --> 00:05:43,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't see it at first. Then when I 132 00:05:43,600 --> 00:05:44,839 Speaker 2: saw him, I was like, oh, yeah, how could I 133 00:05:44,839 --> 00:05:45,360 Speaker 2: not see that? 134 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:48,160 Speaker 1: You know? And even just thinking about like somebody say, 135 00:05:48,200 --> 00:05:50,599 Speaker 1: David Bandit, I remember him talking about his lyrics and 136 00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:52,320 Speaker 1: then feeling like he had to dumb it down a 137 00:05:52,360 --> 00:05:56,839 Speaker 1: little in order to get that mainstream audience. Was that 138 00:05:56,920 --> 00:05:59,000 Speaker 1: something that you ever were like, you know what I'm 139 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:01,800 Speaker 1: gonna put out? I'm just curious and y'all that's valid. 140 00:06:01,839 --> 00:06:03,919 Speaker 2: That's valid. It's something that I talk about with a 141 00:06:03,920 --> 00:06:06,280 Speaker 2: few of my friends all the time. I think, yes, 142 00:06:06,560 --> 00:06:09,440 Speaker 2: quite literally yesterday were in the hotel room and making 143 00:06:09,520 --> 00:06:13,360 Speaker 2: up silly songs. You know what I'm saying. My wife 144 00:06:13,400 --> 00:06:17,680 Speaker 2: can attest I'll make a song out of anything I'm 145 00:06:17,680 --> 00:06:19,000 Speaker 2: not gonna do right now. I'm not gonna do it 146 00:06:19,080 --> 00:06:23,920 Speaker 2: right now, I'm not. But what I'm saying is we 147 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:25,839 Speaker 2: do that, and then we'll stop and say, yo, that 148 00:06:25,880 --> 00:06:26,680 Speaker 2: could really be a hit. 149 00:06:26,800 --> 00:06:28,520 Speaker 1: Could And then it. 150 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:32,000 Speaker 2: Comes the question of like would you do that? Like 151 00:06:32,480 --> 00:06:36,360 Speaker 2: would I do that? And then if the answer is yes, 152 00:06:36,400 --> 00:06:39,760 Speaker 2: it becomes why. And when the answer is because I 153 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:41,680 Speaker 2: know it to be a hit, because I know it'll 154 00:06:41,720 --> 00:06:43,520 Speaker 2: make me some money, because I know it to go 155 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:46,640 Speaker 2: crazy over there. If that's my only reason, it's very 156 00:06:46,720 --> 00:06:49,520 Speaker 2: hard for me to commit. I made a silly song. 157 00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:51,440 Speaker 2: I went shout out super I went to his house. 158 00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:53,840 Speaker 2: He had a beat going that I could hear from outside. 159 00:06:54,640 --> 00:06:57,520 Speaker 2: I come inside. He's like, what you been doing? Bro's 160 00:06:57,560 --> 00:06:59,640 Speaker 2: what you got on? I'm listening to the beat. I'm like, 161 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:04,159 Speaker 2: I've been arguing with my wife. Nigga. Oh damn, we 162 00:07:04,279 --> 00:07:07,720 Speaker 2: freestot a whole song. It was fired and he was like, 163 00:07:07,760 --> 00:07:10,280 Speaker 2: you want to record it? I was like, nah, something 164 00:07:10,320 --> 00:07:12,880 Speaker 2: like that. You know what I'm saying, like, yeah, we're good. Now. 165 00:07:12,920 --> 00:07:15,240 Speaker 2: I wouldn't put something like that out. But we sit 166 00:07:15,320 --> 00:07:17,280 Speaker 2: there and they have a conversation about bro that would 167 00:07:17,280 --> 00:07:21,680 Speaker 2: really Rocky changed his work. And then that comes into 168 00:07:21,680 --> 00:07:22,040 Speaker 2: place and. 169 00:07:22,080 --> 00:07:23,640 Speaker 1: You get a reference track and let me get this 170 00:07:23,680 --> 00:07:25,160 Speaker 1: to somebody who this would be right for. 171 00:07:25,560 --> 00:07:28,600 Speaker 2: That becomes a viable for sure. But for me, my 172 00:07:28,720 --> 00:07:31,440 Speaker 2: point was, I think there's just a certain integrity in 173 00:07:31,520 --> 00:07:34,440 Speaker 2: me that even sometimes I get frustrated about. Like a nigga, 174 00:07:34,480 --> 00:07:36,840 Speaker 2: you know, you could go crazy with it, but that's 175 00:07:36,880 --> 00:07:38,680 Speaker 2: just not what I do. Yeah, yeah, that's just not 176 00:07:38,720 --> 00:07:41,280 Speaker 2: what I do. So if what I do goes mainstream, 177 00:07:41,360 --> 00:07:41,920 Speaker 2: that'd be great. 178 00:07:42,080 --> 00:07:44,600 Speaker 1: But and you know what that I feel like there's 179 00:07:44,640 --> 00:07:46,680 Speaker 1: also songs that I really like and it may not 180 00:07:46,720 --> 00:07:49,200 Speaker 1: have a lot of depth to it, but it could 181 00:07:49,200 --> 00:07:52,000 Speaker 1: be for a moment, yeah what I'm doing. 182 00:07:52,520 --> 00:07:54,360 Speaker 2: So that's what I'm saying. I imagine that if I 183 00:07:54,400 --> 00:07:55,800 Speaker 2: took a lot of my energy that I do to 184 00:07:55,840 --> 00:07:57,920 Speaker 2: make these highly conceptual records and was like, let me 185 00:07:58,000 --> 00:07:58,440 Speaker 2: just do. 186 00:07:58,320 --> 00:08:01,680 Speaker 1: This, no doubt that fans might be disappointed. That's the 187 00:08:01,720 --> 00:08:05,440 Speaker 1: other thing to be disappointed, Okay, And so look that 188 00:08:05,480 --> 00:08:08,200 Speaker 1: brings us to you know, let's fast forward ten years, well, 189 00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:11,800 Speaker 1: nine years after that, the Patience. You put that out, 190 00:08:11,880 --> 00:08:15,040 Speaker 1: So the patients talk to me even about that title, 191 00:08:15,160 --> 00:08:17,440 Speaker 1: because there's a lot of patients that comes into play 192 00:08:17,480 --> 00:08:19,520 Speaker 1: when it's like, okay. 193 00:08:19,520 --> 00:08:22,200 Speaker 2: The Patients. The title came from where I was at 194 00:08:22,240 --> 00:08:25,160 Speaker 2: in my career. With The Patient's album, I felt like 195 00:08:25,200 --> 00:08:26,240 Speaker 2: I was finally in control. 196 00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:26,840 Speaker 1: Okay. 197 00:08:27,600 --> 00:08:29,160 Speaker 2: I went out and got the deal that I wanted 198 00:08:29,280 --> 00:08:32,320 Speaker 2: on the terms that I wanted, and really I basically 199 00:08:32,360 --> 00:08:34,640 Speaker 2: set the terms and was like, whoever's going to accept 200 00:08:34,640 --> 00:08:35,520 Speaker 2: that is where I'm signing it. 201 00:08:35,559 --> 00:08:36,600 Speaker 1: Oh that's a good feeling. 202 00:08:36,679 --> 00:08:39,640 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. And so at that point, even before that, 203 00:08:39,760 --> 00:08:41,439 Speaker 2: I had got out of what I thought was a 204 00:08:41,520 --> 00:08:44,440 Speaker 2: terrible deal, what a terrible situation. I learned a lot 205 00:08:44,679 --> 00:08:47,120 Speaker 2: and I had this newfound perspective. So now I approached 206 00:08:47,200 --> 00:08:48,920 Speaker 2: going out and getting a new deal this way. I 207 00:08:48,960 --> 00:08:51,360 Speaker 2: got that, and then they went above and beyond BMG, 208 00:08:51,520 --> 00:08:53,920 Speaker 2: went above and beyond what I asked and needed. So 209 00:08:53,960 --> 00:08:55,600 Speaker 2: when it came time for me to come down to 210 00:08:55,640 --> 00:08:58,040 Speaker 2: the title, I was just like, what is this? What 211 00:08:58,160 --> 00:09:00,360 Speaker 2: is this music? What is this body of work? And like, man, 212 00:09:00,360 --> 00:09:02,280 Speaker 2: this is the moment I've been waiting for. This is 213 00:09:02,280 --> 00:09:04,120 Speaker 2: the space I've been waiting for. I think a lot 214 00:09:04,160 --> 00:09:06,520 Speaker 2: of people would be surprised to hear. Yeah, ten years in, 215 00:09:06,720 --> 00:09:09,920 Speaker 2: five projects in and the patience is the first time 216 00:09:09,960 --> 00:09:11,880 Speaker 2: I got to do what I wanted to do. 217 00:09:12,320 --> 00:09:14,240 Speaker 1: And you said all of that on MAP I listened 218 00:09:14,280 --> 00:09:18,120 Speaker 1: to that much for that song where you really just talked, 219 00:09:18,559 --> 00:09:21,760 Speaker 1: and so even that part was that something I have 220 00:09:21,800 --> 00:09:24,199 Speaker 1: to assume that you just were talking and it made it. 221 00:09:24,320 --> 00:09:27,760 Speaker 2: You're correct, Yeah, A lot of that is that's how 222 00:09:27,800 --> 00:09:30,880 Speaker 2: I create, you know, the ethos of the song. I mean, 223 00:09:30,880 --> 00:09:32,560 Speaker 2: it's something that I've been thinking about. I tell people 224 00:09:32,559 --> 00:09:34,400 Speaker 2: all the time. Just because the song came out today, 225 00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:36,080 Speaker 2: doesn't mean I wasn't thinking about it for the last 226 00:09:36,080 --> 00:09:38,840 Speaker 2: three months, and so my while I'm recording that, I 227 00:09:38,960 --> 00:09:41,040 Speaker 2: just go straight into talking at the end of the song. 228 00:09:41,600 --> 00:09:44,480 Speaker 1: The first time, yeah, and so discuss like how you 229 00:09:44,520 --> 00:09:46,480 Speaker 1: were feeling, and just for people who maybe they didn't 230 00:09:46,520 --> 00:09:51,360 Speaker 1: catch it or what you were saying on Yeah. 231 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:52,320 Speaker 2: I just feel like right now, even for my fans 232 00:09:52,559 --> 00:09:55,000 Speaker 2: who don't have a clear understanding, right now for me 233 00:09:55,160 --> 00:09:57,439 Speaker 2: is the best place I've ever been in my life 234 00:09:57,440 --> 00:10:00,160 Speaker 2: and the best place I've been for my career. I'm 235 00:10:00,200 --> 00:10:02,440 Speaker 2: in full control over what I do. I'm in full 236 00:10:02,440 --> 00:10:05,920 Speaker 2: control over how my music sounds. I mean, I'm in 237 00:10:06,080 --> 00:10:09,680 Speaker 2: full control of understanding how my business should work. A 238 00:10:09,720 --> 00:10:11,480 Speaker 2: lot of times as a new artist, you get told, hey, 239 00:10:11,520 --> 00:10:12,920 Speaker 2: you should do this this way, you should do this 240 00:10:12,920 --> 00:10:15,160 Speaker 2: this way, and you do because you don't know any better, 241 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:18,200 Speaker 2: and when you do know better, you realize, like, well 242 00:10:18,840 --> 00:10:21,160 Speaker 2: that's a way, it's not the best way. You feel 243 00:10:21,240 --> 00:10:23,520 Speaker 2: me like, so now I haven't understanding of how to 244 00:10:23,559 --> 00:10:26,120 Speaker 2: run my business from my standards, that feels like the 245 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:29,400 Speaker 2: best way. And so mop is me saying, Man, I'm 246 00:10:29,440 --> 00:10:31,120 Speaker 2: now ready to clean this thing up. You know what 247 00:10:31,160 --> 00:10:32,880 Speaker 2: I'm saying I'm now ready to get out there and 248 00:10:32,880 --> 00:10:35,240 Speaker 2: show y'all the work I've been doing, show y'all the 249 00:10:35,280 --> 00:10:37,320 Speaker 2: things that I've learned, and show y'all that I know 250 00:10:37,440 --> 00:10:40,080 Speaker 2: how to attack this industry and delivering my music to 251 00:10:40,120 --> 00:10:42,920 Speaker 2: my fans. And a lot of that just takes time. 252 00:10:43,520 --> 00:10:45,600 Speaker 2: A lot of that takes trial and error. A lot 253 00:10:45,600 --> 00:10:48,720 Speaker 2: of that takes patients waiting on the person who's going 254 00:10:48,800 --> 00:10:52,080 Speaker 2: to put the bug in Angeloyee's ar ear to actually 255 00:10:52,080 --> 00:10:55,200 Speaker 2: invite me to the interview. Right. I think a lot 256 00:10:55,240 --> 00:10:57,920 Speaker 2: of times when I talk about patients, I'm like, you 257 00:10:58,000 --> 00:11:00,079 Speaker 2: hit a point where there's work that needs to be 258 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:01,120 Speaker 2: done that you can't do. 259 00:11:01,960 --> 00:11:04,079 Speaker 1: I was feeling like maybe there was this mystique about 260 00:11:04,120 --> 00:11:06,400 Speaker 1: you and you were like I'm not doing much you know. 261 00:11:06,559 --> 00:11:09,000 Speaker 2: Oh no, not at all, not at all. I even 262 00:11:09,040 --> 00:11:10,160 Speaker 2: said to her, I was like, I think they've been 263 00:11:10,200 --> 00:11:12,199 Speaker 2: trying to do this for a few months, but we 264 00:11:12,200 --> 00:11:16,040 Speaker 2: was on tour the first time. Yeah. Like, but even 265 00:11:16,040 --> 00:11:20,320 Speaker 2: to that point, right, Sometimes you're waiting on this person 266 00:11:20,360 --> 00:11:23,160 Speaker 2: to hear you that is going to move your thing forward. 267 00:11:23,240 --> 00:11:26,000 Speaker 2: Sometimes you're waiting on this person to say your name 268 00:11:26,040 --> 00:11:27,800 Speaker 2: in this room that you're not in and no matter 269 00:11:27,880 --> 00:11:30,840 Speaker 2: what you do, your actions won't be the thing that 270 00:11:30,880 --> 00:11:33,480 Speaker 2: moves you forward at this point in your journey, you know. 271 00:11:33,840 --> 00:11:36,080 Speaker 2: And so that's something that I was spotlighting on that 272 00:11:36,160 --> 00:11:39,120 Speaker 2: as well. And that's what the idea of patience is 273 00:11:39,160 --> 00:11:41,680 Speaker 2: for I was doing everything I could for a good 274 00:11:41,720 --> 00:11:44,360 Speaker 2: eight nine years. You know. It was something that had 275 00:11:44,360 --> 00:11:46,439 Speaker 2: to happen in that ninth year that I couldn't control. 276 00:11:46,640 --> 00:11:49,480 Speaker 1: And you know it was Yeah, you said you talked 277 00:11:49,480 --> 00:11:51,160 Speaker 1: about the deal that you were in that you really 278 00:11:51,240 --> 00:11:53,800 Speaker 1: wanted to get out of, and you also couldn't put 279 00:11:53,800 --> 00:11:57,080 Speaker 1: out You didn't want to put out certain music while 280 00:11:57,080 --> 00:11:58,880 Speaker 1: you're locked into a deal that you don't want to 281 00:11:58,920 --> 00:12:02,880 Speaker 1: be in. How hard that being an artist and knowing that, like, Okay, 282 00:12:02,920 --> 00:12:05,600 Speaker 1: I'm not going above and beyond it, going up to 283 00:12:05,640 --> 00:12:07,880 Speaker 1: the potential that I know. I have that my fans 284 00:12:07,920 --> 00:12:10,760 Speaker 1: because people still love the music and it still was great, 285 00:12:10,800 --> 00:12:13,680 Speaker 1: but it wasn't what you wanted to do necessarily because 286 00:12:13,679 --> 00:12:14,760 Speaker 1: you're like, I'm not giving them this. 287 00:12:15,040 --> 00:12:17,280 Speaker 2: It's a crazy position to be in, and I whenever 288 00:12:17,320 --> 00:12:18,920 Speaker 2: I tell people about it, I'm like, apply it to 289 00:12:18,960 --> 00:12:21,320 Speaker 2: whatever you do. It's not an art thing. It's a 290 00:12:21,360 --> 00:12:25,200 Speaker 2: comfortability thing like, if you're not happy, whatever you do, 291 00:12:25,280 --> 00:12:28,000 Speaker 2: you're probably not going to perform your best. If you're 292 00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:31,320 Speaker 2: not at peace, you're probably not going to perform your best. 293 00:12:31,360 --> 00:12:34,000 Speaker 2: And as artists, people love to be like, oh, a 294 00:12:34,040 --> 00:12:37,400 Speaker 2: tortured soul makes great art, and they do because they 295 00:12:37,400 --> 00:12:39,880 Speaker 2: need to express that too. But man, y'all don't know 296 00:12:39,960 --> 00:12:42,560 Speaker 2: how much y'all don't know how much a happy soul 297 00:12:42,840 --> 00:12:44,600 Speaker 2: makes God great music. 298 00:12:45,240 --> 00:12:47,920 Speaker 1: Just happy, right, yeah, yeah, just be happy for my. 299 00:12:48,280 --> 00:12:52,480 Speaker 2: Exactly, exactly, And so for me, that's what that's what 300 00:12:52,520 --> 00:12:54,560 Speaker 2: that is. It was like, all right, I'm in a 301 00:12:54,640 --> 00:12:58,440 Speaker 2: terrible situation, and while I've served the points of my deal, 302 00:12:58,760 --> 00:13:03,040 Speaker 2: I can't really drop anything new without it going back 303 00:13:03,120 --> 00:13:06,560 Speaker 2: to what I haven't recouped. Right, So, at no point 304 00:13:07,040 --> 00:13:09,720 Speaker 2: when I'm understanding, Oh, I'm understanding, and people who don't 305 00:13:09,720 --> 00:13:11,400 Speaker 2: have my best I'm in business with people don't have 306 00:13:11,480 --> 00:13:13,440 Speaker 2: my best interest in heart, I'm in business with people 307 00:13:13,440 --> 00:13:16,120 Speaker 2: who don't necessarily care about my work and about me 308 00:13:16,200 --> 00:13:19,280 Speaker 2: the way I do. Okay, understood, what do I have 309 00:13:19,400 --> 00:13:21,760 Speaker 2: left to do for them? One? Two, three? Y'all gotta 310 00:13:21,800 --> 00:13:23,680 Speaker 2: do these three things? Okay, I'm gonna do these three 311 00:13:23,679 --> 00:13:26,960 Speaker 2: things if I do anything else that is like this 312 00:13:27,559 --> 00:13:30,400 Speaker 2: grand express, Oh, it's so amazing. This is just y'all 313 00:13:30,440 --> 00:13:32,559 Speaker 2: taking a piece of that, right, And I don't mind 314 00:13:32,640 --> 00:13:35,000 Speaker 2: y'all taking a piece of that if we are working 315 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:37,760 Speaker 2: in good faith as business partners. But when we not, 316 00:13:37,920 --> 00:13:39,760 Speaker 2: I'm not going to do anything extra for you. Why 317 00:13:39,800 --> 00:13:40,120 Speaker 2: would I? 318 00:13:40,400 --> 00:13:42,720 Speaker 1: Right? And is that something It's hard because do you 319 00:13:42,760 --> 00:13:44,640 Speaker 1: want people to know that as you're listening to the 320 00:13:44,720 --> 00:13:46,680 Speaker 1: music or is it something that you're like, let me 321 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:47,439 Speaker 1: just get through this. 322 00:13:47,600 --> 00:13:49,800 Speaker 2: I want people to know, OK. But at the same time, 323 00:13:49,840 --> 00:13:51,760 Speaker 2: I don't want to be a nigga that's screaming look 324 00:13:51,800 --> 00:13:53,680 Speaker 2: what they're doing to me, y'all. That's why y'all not 325 00:13:53,679 --> 00:13:56,000 Speaker 2: getting what y'all want, because look what they're doing. Because 326 00:13:56,360 --> 00:13:58,600 Speaker 2: even when you do that, it's not received. 327 00:13:58,760 --> 00:13:59,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, they don't care. 328 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:02,080 Speaker 2: I ain't never listen to any artists tell me that. 329 00:14:02,800 --> 00:14:07,640 Speaker 2: I never investigated, Like, I just moved on to what 330 00:14:07,679 --> 00:14:09,520 Speaker 2: else I wanted to listen to. So it's just like, yeah, 331 00:14:09,559 --> 00:14:11,800 Speaker 2: you don't want to be that either, put your head 332 00:14:11,840 --> 00:14:14,040 Speaker 2: down and you just try to get through it, you 333 00:14:14,080 --> 00:14:17,480 Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, Which to your question, it sucks 334 00:14:17,520 --> 00:14:19,360 Speaker 2: because while you're putting your head down trying to get 335 00:14:19,360 --> 00:14:22,160 Speaker 2: through it. People are assuming why the music ain't come 336 00:14:22,200 --> 00:14:24,800 Speaker 2: out in a year and a half, why this project 337 00:14:24,880 --> 00:14:27,280 Speaker 2: sounds this way, why he only did this or that 338 00:14:27,400 --> 00:14:30,400 Speaker 2: or this or that. And I'm sure as a fan, 339 00:14:30,880 --> 00:14:32,680 Speaker 2: I take part in the same thing when I'm wondering 340 00:14:32,680 --> 00:14:34,520 Speaker 2: why Kendrick can't drop for five years? You know what 341 00:14:34,560 --> 00:14:34,960 Speaker 2: I'm saying. 342 00:14:35,480 --> 00:14:40,320 Speaker 1: Let me take you Twitter and weighing in on things 343 00:14:40,120 --> 00:14:43,640 Speaker 1: that a whole different reality. They hated that people could 344 00:14:43,640 --> 00:14:45,880 Speaker 1: say the same thing you say, But let make Jenkins 345 00:14:45,880 --> 00:14:47,880 Speaker 1: come on here and talk about, Oh man, why did 346 00:14:47,920 --> 00:14:50,320 Speaker 1: Jay Cole drop out of the back? 347 00:14:50,360 --> 00:14:53,200 Speaker 2: Don't even get me on that. That's something that again, 348 00:14:53,360 --> 00:14:55,240 Speaker 2: it's not just some art thing. It's not an art thing. 349 00:14:55,280 --> 00:14:58,120 Speaker 2: It's not a music thing. People who do the thing 350 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:02,120 Speaker 2: have the most leeway to speak about the thing. 351 00:15:02,240 --> 00:15:02,520 Speaker 1: Yeah. 352 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:05,720 Speaker 2: Right, if you play sports, you probably could speak to 353 00:15:05,760 --> 00:15:08,760 Speaker 2: that more than I could because I just watch you 354 00:15:08,920 --> 00:15:11,400 Speaker 2: work in radio. I could speak about radio all that 355 00:15:11,480 --> 00:15:14,600 Speaker 2: you be here, you know the background. I can only 356 00:15:14,600 --> 00:15:16,240 Speaker 2: talk about what I see, you know what I'm saying. 357 00:15:16,280 --> 00:15:19,200 Speaker 2: So as a rapper, it'd be crazy when people feel 358 00:15:19,240 --> 00:15:21,240 Speaker 2: like I saw a lot of people not just me. 359 00:15:21,520 --> 00:15:23,400 Speaker 2: Y'all just want Cloud. Y'all just want Cloud. It's like, Bro, 360 00:15:24,160 --> 00:15:25,680 Speaker 2: this is some historic shit happen. 361 00:15:25,720 --> 00:15:27,680 Speaker 1: Yeah it is, of course. 362 00:15:27,480 --> 00:15:28,960 Speaker 2: I want to talk about you know what I'm saying, 363 00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:30,680 Speaker 2: Like this don't happen every year. 364 00:15:30,800 --> 00:15:32,960 Speaker 1: Things played out. People were like j Co was smart 365 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:35,920 Speaker 1: for dropping out of the battle because clearly somebody told 366 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:39,000 Speaker 1: him something or for whatever reason he and we don't 367 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:39,680 Speaker 1: know what those. 368 00:15:39,760 --> 00:15:42,000 Speaker 2: I personally feel he was very smart. 369 00:15:42,240 --> 00:15:45,040 Speaker 1: I just didn't in retrospect. I think at the time 370 00:15:45,080 --> 00:15:45,520 Speaker 1: it was like. 371 00:15:45,680 --> 00:15:48,560 Speaker 2: I didn't have a problem with him dropping out. I 372 00:15:48,600 --> 00:15:51,440 Speaker 2: just didn't understand the apology. Right, that was it for me. 373 00:15:51,480 --> 00:15:52,920 Speaker 2: I was like, I don't think he did anything where 374 00:15:52,960 --> 00:15:53,760 Speaker 2: he needs to apologize. 375 00:15:53,840 --> 00:15:55,000 Speaker 1: Yeah that was that serious. 376 00:15:55,040 --> 00:15:57,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, that was it for me. I would get out 377 00:15:57,400 --> 00:16:02,520 Speaker 2: the white too. Yeah, yeah, I just didn't get the apology. 378 00:16:02,560 --> 00:16:04,480 Speaker 2: But you know, to each his own. 379 00:16:04,640 --> 00:16:07,400 Speaker 1: And you know, as you coming up in Chicago, right 380 00:16:07,520 --> 00:16:10,960 Speaker 1: and you know musically Chicago is kind of like where 381 00:16:10,960 --> 00:16:14,000 Speaker 1: we know Mick Jenkins from. What do you think about say, 382 00:16:14,080 --> 00:16:16,840 Speaker 1: Kanye and everything with his legacy and everything that's been 383 00:16:16,840 --> 00:16:18,680 Speaker 1: going on with him, Because I know in Chicago they 384 00:16:18,720 --> 00:16:21,200 Speaker 1: go hard for some Kanye West, but there's a lot 385 00:16:21,200 --> 00:16:23,480 Speaker 1: of things surrounding him now. We see him pulling up 386 00:16:23,480 --> 00:16:26,200 Speaker 1: to Trump rallies, we see comments that he's made, but 387 00:16:26,240 --> 00:16:28,600 Speaker 1: it doesn't take away from people are like, you know, 388 00:16:28,640 --> 00:16:30,040 Speaker 1: he's one of my favorite artists. 389 00:16:30,040 --> 00:16:32,160 Speaker 2: For me, Kanye has been one of my favorite artists 390 00:16:32,200 --> 00:16:34,880 Speaker 2: for a long time. But previous to a lot of 391 00:16:34,880 --> 00:16:37,840 Speaker 2: the antics that people have in question, I wasn't rocking 392 00:16:37,840 --> 00:16:40,640 Speaker 2: with Kanye. People are always surprised to find out. But 393 00:16:40,720 --> 00:16:43,960 Speaker 2: my Beautiful Dark Twist Afinity was probably the last time 394 00:16:44,000 --> 00:16:48,480 Speaker 2: that I was rocking with Kanyek for me, because eighty 395 00:16:48,520 --> 00:16:51,720 Speaker 2: percent of the way that I digest music is creation, 396 00:16:52,840 --> 00:16:55,600 Speaker 2: so that last twenty percent of listening to music for 397 00:16:55,760 --> 00:16:59,160 Speaker 2: like Refuge, it's got to be things that I want 398 00:16:59,200 --> 00:17:02,400 Speaker 2: to hear, things that I want to digest. My Beautiful 399 00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:04,359 Speaker 2: Dark twis in Fantasy was the last time that I 400 00:17:04,400 --> 00:17:07,800 Speaker 2: wanted to digest Kanye's music. That was an amazing album. 401 00:17:08,359 --> 00:17:11,520 Speaker 2: The content is not something that I need when I 402 00:17:11,560 --> 00:17:13,720 Speaker 2: go to Refuge for my music, you know what I'm saying. 403 00:17:13,720 --> 00:17:16,600 Speaker 2: It's not so for me. I stopped being as much 404 00:17:16,600 --> 00:17:19,040 Speaker 2: of a fan as I was Kanye around that time, 405 00:17:19,560 --> 00:17:21,560 Speaker 2: and then the things that would happen in the following 406 00:17:21,640 --> 00:17:24,560 Speaker 2: years weren't so surprising to me because I feel like, 407 00:17:25,200 --> 00:17:27,959 Speaker 2: I truly feel like if you look back through Kanye's lyrics, 408 00:17:28,520 --> 00:17:32,119 Speaker 2: a lot of who he is as a person, arrogant, 409 00:17:32,760 --> 00:17:35,320 Speaker 2: not really open to a lot of other people's opinions, 410 00:17:35,520 --> 00:17:37,480 Speaker 2: very like, these are the ways that he's been for 411 00:17:37,520 --> 00:17:39,159 Speaker 2: a very long time. These are the ways that he 412 00:17:39,240 --> 00:17:42,560 Speaker 2: said he was going to be for a very long time. 413 00:17:42,680 --> 00:17:44,760 Speaker 2: He told y'all eight years ago, you can't tell him nothing. 414 00:17:45,440 --> 00:17:49,359 Speaker 2: Y'all thought that was just a hot chorus. He was 415 00:17:49,440 --> 00:17:51,159 Speaker 2: dead serious, you know what I'm saying. So for me, 416 00:17:51,680 --> 00:17:53,720 Speaker 2: a lot of this isn't as surprising as it is 417 00:17:53,760 --> 00:17:56,600 Speaker 2: for a lot of other people. It's very confusing. It's 418 00:17:56,840 --> 00:18:00,600 Speaker 2: very confusing. But I mean, I stopped being as much 419 00:18:00,600 --> 00:18:02,840 Speaker 2: of a fan quite a long time ago, and I 420 00:18:02,920 --> 00:18:05,200 Speaker 2: give everybody their space to go through they thing, you 421 00:18:05,280 --> 00:18:06,840 Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. So that's how I feel about you. 422 00:18:07,600 --> 00:18:11,159 Speaker 1: And now you don't live in Chicago anymore, So how 423 00:18:11,280 --> 00:18:11,879 Speaker 1: is that for you? 424 00:18:12,800 --> 00:18:15,560 Speaker 2: The move to la was for work. It's been great. 425 00:18:15,600 --> 00:18:19,120 Speaker 2: I've been there for three years. I just was talking 426 00:18:19,160 --> 00:18:20,600 Speaker 2: to somebody else. So I've been to LA. Been in 427 00:18:20,640 --> 00:18:24,119 Speaker 2: New York, Chicago, a lot of different creative hubs for working. 428 00:18:24,240 --> 00:18:27,320 Speaker 2: I don't link up with more people anywhere than in 429 00:18:27,960 --> 00:18:29,840 Speaker 2: LA to really get work done. 430 00:18:29,920 --> 00:18:31,120 Speaker 1: I can see that to. 431 00:18:31,119 --> 00:18:32,720 Speaker 2: Actually, I was telling them, I was like, I love 432 00:18:32,760 --> 00:18:34,080 Speaker 2: New York. I get a lot of work done in 433 00:18:34,080 --> 00:18:37,600 Speaker 2: New York, but more than LA, I have a lot 434 00:18:37,640 --> 00:18:41,760 Speaker 2: of conversations about work that don't end up with us working. 435 00:18:41,800 --> 00:18:45,280 Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. I have way more conversations 436 00:18:45,320 --> 00:18:47,040 Speaker 2: about the work we want to get done, and we 437 00:18:47,119 --> 00:18:48,840 Speaker 2: actually get it done out there. 438 00:18:48,920 --> 00:18:52,960 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, go to the studio. 439 00:18:53,000 --> 00:18:57,200 Speaker 2: And so after three years, though, I feel like again 440 00:18:57,240 --> 00:18:58,720 Speaker 2: some of the lessons that I learned, some of the 441 00:18:58,720 --> 00:19:01,639 Speaker 2: things that I learned being with this new life, understanding 442 00:19:01,640 --> 00:19:04,480 Speaker 2: how the music industry is rapidly changing, I'm about to 443 00:19:04,520 --> 00:19:06,440 Speaker 2: go back home. I'm about to go Everything that I'm 444 00:19:06,480 --> 00:19:08,240 Speaker 2: about to do next for these next teen years in 445 00:19:08,280 --> 00:19:12,560 Speaker 2: my career, it needs to be done in Chicago. Okay, 446 00:19:12,640 --> 00:19:14,080 Speaker 2: if I do it in LA, I'm just anothering that 447 00:19:14,160 --> 00:19:16,080 Speaker 2: could doing it in LA. If I do it in Chicago, 448 00:19:16,119 --> 00:19:18,160 Speaker 2: I'm building something that's the city needs. 449 00:19:18,240 --> 00:19:21,320 Speaker 1: And you know, the DNC is there the Democratic National Convention. 450 00:19:21,080 --> 00:19:22,119 Speaker 2: Asible I've heard. 451 00:19:22,280 --> 00:19:24,720 Speaker 1: I've heard so when we dove into things like that 452 00:19:24,800 --> 00:19:26,440 Speaker 1: and you see everything that's going on in the world 453 00:19:26,440 --> 00:19:28,760 Speaker 1: and things that are happening in Chicago, because they're using 454 00:19:28,840 --> 00:19:32,280 Speaker 1: that now as like everything that's wrong, they'll be like, oh, 455 00:19:32,400 --> 00:19:35,119 Speaker 1: you can see now going to the DNC, and you know, 456 00:19:35,240 --> 00:19:36,800 Speaker 1: and for me as a person that I've been to 457 00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:40,520 Speaker 1: Chicago a lot, I love Chicago, you know, yeah, obviously, 458 00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:43,159 Speaker 1: but I like literally was there the day that I 459 00:19:43,359 --> 00:19:46,160 Speaker 1: left the Breakfast Club. I went to Chicago straight from 460 00:19:46,160 --> 00:19:48,280 Speaker 1: the show and stayed out and went to clubs until 461 00:19:48,280 --> 00:19:49,280 Speaker 1: like four in the morning. 462 00:19:49,840 --> 00:19:51,640 Speaker 2: Oh so you came to Chicago to get your mind right? 463 00:19:51,720 --> 00:19:54,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, I went there and celebrated, you know, shout out 464 00:19:54,280 --> 00:19:57,800 Speaker 1: to all my peoples in Chicago. But you know, I'm 465 00:19:57,840 --> 00:20:00,600 Speaker 1: just wondering what you think when it comes to Kamala 466 00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:03,240 Speaker 1: Harris running for president. People have a lot of things 467 00:20:03,280 --> 00:20:06,080 Speaker 1: to say about that. The fact that Donald Trump is 468 00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:09,600 Speaker 1: running even though he's a convicted feeling now and he's 469 00:20:09,680 --> 00:20:11,280 Speaker 1: said a lot of negative things, but it feels like 470 00:20:11,320 --> 00:20:14,639 Speaker 1: he's still getting support from a lot of rappers and 471 00:20:14,680 --> 00:20:16,520 Speaker 1: a lot of artists. So I want to know your 472 00:20:16,560 --> 00:20:19,280 Speaker 1: take on everything that's happening right now with politics, what 473 00:20:19,440 --> 00:20:21,840 Speaker 1: you think when you're looking at the news and seeing things, 474 00:20:21,880 --> 00:20:27,480 Speaker 1: and where you get your information from. 475 00:20:28,160 --> 00:20:31,160 Speaker 2: I'll start with Trump. I think rappers supporting Trump is weird. 476 00:20:31,760 --> 00:20:33,840 Speaker 2: I just assume it's about money most of the time. 477 00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:37,280 Speaker 2: I really don't know. I assume either they have some 478 00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:40,439 Speaker 2: information like a Kanye, you must have some information that 479 00:20:41,040 --> 00:20:42,919 Speaker 2: lets you know that this guy is going to do 480 00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:45,359 Speaker 2: better for your money than the other person. That's what 481 00:20:45,400 --> 00:20:47,520 Speaker 2: I assume it must be. But I have no idea 482 00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:57,160 Speaker 2: super weird. I think, just like Kanye, nothing that America 483 00:20:57,200 --> 00:21:00,560 Speaker 2: does really surprises me anymore. You know, I think we've 484 00:21:00,600 --> 00:21:05,040 Speaker 2: had more than enough examples that the people in office, 485 00:21:05,040 --> 00:21:07,679 Speaker 2: no matter what'side they're on, don't really care about the 486 00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:13,640 Speaker 2: everyday American. We have examples from the history of how 487 00:21:13,680 --> 00:21:18,680 Speaker 2: these people vote in office to know where their platforms stand. 488 00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:21,920 Speaker 2: We have Kamala Harris's history. We know what side of 489 00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:26,680 Speaker 2: the line she's been on throughout her career. You know 490 00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:29,000 Speaker 2: what I'm saying, as a as a police officer, as 491 00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:30,800 Speaker 2: a she wasn't just a police officer, she was a 492 00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:37,600 Speaker 2: day Yeah. Yeah, So I feel like I mean, I 493 00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:40,800 Speaker 2: don't have to say how I feel. There's just a 494 00:21:40,840 --> 00:21:46,160 Speaker 2: lot of evidence that huge parts of this are dishonesty. 495 00:21:46,480 --> 00:21:49,040 Speaker 1: I don't think anybody looks as politics as honesty. 496 00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:52,000 Speaker 2: But which which is crazy though, because these are the 497 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:54,520 Speaker 2: officials that are like running the country. And I think 498 00:21:54,520 --> 00:21:58,399 Speaker 2: if the idea is that dishonesty is ingrained into it, 499 00:21:58,840 --> 00:22:00,240 Speaker 2: is it? What does it matter? What I think? You know? 500 00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:01,320 Speaker 2: What does matter? What you think? 501 00:22:01,359 --> 00:22:03,040 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying like people who get into 502 00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:06,040 Speaker 1: politics thinking they could change things and then realize how 503 00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:08,840 Speaker 1: hard that you can, because it's like a whole system 504 00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:11,040 Speaker 1: of like, okay, you do this, and it's a lot 505 00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:13,680 Speaker 1: of like bartering, like do this, but you do this, 506 00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:16,240 Speaker 1: and then it turns into something that is not just 507 00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:17,520 Speaker 1: about what's best for people. 508 00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:20,000 Speaker 2: My opinion is that the system as it was created 509 00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:23,440 Speaker 2: is flawless and it's doing all the things that is 510 00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:26,119 Speaker 2: supposed to do. That's my opinion. 511 00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:26,840 Speaker 1: Chaosity, Yeah. 512 00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:33,840 Speaker 2: I watched the dismantling of Twitter and everybody was so 513 00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:35,639 Speaker 2: confused about what he was doing. I was just like, 514 00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:39,280 Speaker 2: I'm not do you remember how useful Twitter was when 515 00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:41,560 Speaker 2: Ferguson was going on? Right, do you remember that they 516 00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:45,320 Speaker 2: were lying to us on TV, and you were finding 517 00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:47,359 Speaker 2: that they were lying to us on TV because of 518 00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:51,200 Speaker 2: the information you were getting on Twitter. That cannot happen anymore. 519 00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:57,760 Speaker 2: It can't happen anymore. It would be ridiculously unreliable information 520 00:22:57,840 --> 00:23:01,440 Speaker 2: coming from Twitter. Now, yeah, yep, there's no blue check marks. 521 00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:07,520 Speaker 2: You can pay for them. There was news publications that 522 00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:10,720 Speaker 2: had to be verified. You're worried about personal verification. News 523 00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:13,239 Speaker 2: publications had to be verified. The people that you were 524 00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:17,280 Speaker 2: getting honest information from had to be verified, and then 525 00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:21,800 Speaker 2: there was a problem if you were just on Twitter line. 526 00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:26,320 Speaker 2: That's not a real thing anymore. It's not an alternative 527 00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:29,080 Speaker 2: place where we can go get instant information and it 528 00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:31,080 Speaker 2: be the truth. So that's what I see when I 529 00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:33,320 Speaker 2: see Twitter get dismantled like that. It's like, well, for 530 00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:35,320 Speaker 2: all the fun we were having, that doesn't matter. This 531 00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:38,359 Speaker 2: was a place where real information was traveling very fast, 532 00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:41,199 Speaker 2: and it cannot do that effectively anymore. And so when 533 00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:42,640 Speaker 2: you asked me a question like that, it's like where 534 00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:47,600 Speaker 2: you want me to start, Like, what do I think? 535 00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:49,800 Speaker 2: I think it's bus. I think it's easy to see 536 00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:52,520 Speaker 2: it's bus and I think the politicians job is to 537 00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:55,720 Speaker 2: make us feel like it's not. And I don't think 538 00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:56,760 Speaker 2: people want to hear that from me. 539 00:23:57,200 --> 00:24:00,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, you know what I've had to realizes 540 00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:03,119 Speaker 1: that I do have to be as involved as I 541 00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:06,080 Speaker 1: possibly can to make things happen and to understand how 542 00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:08,120 Speaker 1: the system works, so you can, because what I love 543 00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:10,439 Speaker 1: is people who change policy and people who actually go 544 00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:12,439 Speaker 1: in there with a plan and then they can go 545 00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:12,639 Speaker 1: and f. 546 00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:15,879 Speaker 2: Shout out my boy Stevie Vallaz in Chicago doing a 547 00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:20,680 Speaker 2: lot to change policy. He focuses on prison inmates who 548 00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:23,280 Speaker 2: are have gotten out and are being blocked from their 549 00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:26,040 Speaker 2: ability to vote, or prison inmates who are still in 550 00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:28,800 Speaker 2: jail or prison and they have not been convicted yet, 551 00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:31,640 Speaker 2: so that they still have the opportunity to vote even 552 00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:34,439 Speaker 2: though a conviction hasn't been passed on them. That's the 553 00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:36,600 Speaker 2: home meet. That's one of my good friends. And you're right. 554 00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:40,080 Speaker 2: Being as involved as possible knowing about people like that 555 00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:43,160 Speaker 2: in organizations like that, so we can actually affect legislation 556 00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:44,440 Speaker 2: is the only. 557 00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:46,879 Speaker 1: Way because change is slow when it comes to politics, 558 00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:48,960 Speaker 1: but it does happen. We've seen a lot of different 559 00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:51,080 Speaker 1: you know, things go through even we talk about like 560 00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:53,800 Speaker 1: student loan reform, and people thought that would never happen. 561 00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:55,959 Speaker 1: I was one of those people, right, But a lot 562 00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:58,440 Speaker 1: of people did get their loans forgetting and they're working 563 00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:01,359 Speaker 1: on it. But it's unfortunate league keeps on getting black. 564 00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:03,240 Speaker 1: So many different things that go on. And you know 565 00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:04,840 Speaker 1: what I want to ask you, since you talked about 566 00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:08,359 Speaker 1: money and how that can affect how people maybe decide 567 00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:11,520 Speaker 1: who they want to be in office, you know, what's 568 00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:13,960 Speaker 1: your relationship when it comes to money? Because you have 569 00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:17,000 Speaker 1: a song like Japanese right where you talk about vices 570 00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:21,000 Speaker 1: and people chasing after money on the patients. So what 571 00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:24,359 Speaker 1: is your personal relationship when it comes to money finances, 572 00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:26,919 Speaker 1: what you spend your money on. I know you like 573 00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:31,640 Speaker 1: nice things, you know, but it feels like you know, 574 00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:34,879 Speaker 1: you are also aware of what it is not to 575 00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:38,919 Speaker 1: want to come to compromise your art for money. 576 00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:43,200 Speaker 2: Which foremost for me is making sure a constant evaluation 577 00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:45,520 Speaker 2: of myself that I don't love money, that I'm not 578 00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:50,600 Speaker 2: putting money above anything really in my life. Like I think, 579 00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:52,360 Speaker 2: I think we hear a lot of people talking about 580 00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:55,720 Speaker 2: how much they love money. And for anybody that's confused, 581 00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:59,320 Speaker 2: if you you know I love God. I'm a Christian. 582 00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:02,119 Speaker 2: I believe in about the love of money is the 583 00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:04,359 Speaker 2: root of all evil. Money yourself isn't the root of 584 00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:06,440 Speaker 2: all evil. I see people confuse this all the time. 585 00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:09,440 Speaker 2: Money the love of money is the root of all evil. 586 00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:11,399 Speaker 2: And I just see people talking about how much they 587 00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:13,040 Speaker 2: love money all the time, and it's kind of crazy 588 00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:16,200 Speaker 2: to me. So that's where I start, is evaluating myself 589 00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:20,280 Speaker 2: in that way. But my general perspective about money is access. 590 00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:24,000 Speaker 2: I don't praise money. I don't hold money too high. 591 00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:27,439 Speaker 2: It's access. Ninety percent of things you want in this 592 00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:31,200 Speaker 2: world you can get it with some money, right period, 593 00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:34,840 Speaker 2: So you should have a healthy respect for that. That's 594 00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:35,240 Speaker 2: how I. 595 00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:37,800 Speaker 1: Feel, like, you know what I'm saying Wednesday. So I 596 00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:39,639 Speaker 1: always think about the way that I was raised, like 597 00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:41,640 Speaker 1: not having a lot of money when I was younger, 598 00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:44,880 Speaker 1: and you know, really living like not even check to check. 599 00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:46,800 Speaker 1: To get into a point where I'm like, okay, now 600 00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:48,480 Speaker 1: I was able to buy a house and then invest 601 00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:51,159 Speaker 1: in different things, but I still never feel comfortable, like 602 00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:52,879 Speaker 1: you always feel like at some point it could be 603 00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:55,520 Speaker 1: all gone. I always think that. 604 00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:58,479 Speaker 2: I think for myself, I try to make sure that 605 00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:02,520 Speaker 2: you know, I pay ten percent of times. I try 606 00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:04,280 Speaker 2: to make sure that I got three months, four months 607 00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:06,440 Speaker 2: saved up, you know what I'm saying. And then from 608 00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:08,800 Speaker 2: that point, that's my for my money. God, that's your life, 609 00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:11,080 Speaker 2: that's your defense. That's what he said. It's like, you 610 00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:12,800 Speaker 2: got you gotta have three months set up. You want 611 00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:15,520 Speaker 2: your life insurance, you want your defense. And then on 612 00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:17,800 Speaker 2: an offensive tip, like how I spend my money as 613 00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:20,639 Speaker 2: long as everything is taken care of, you know, I 614 00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:23,800 Speaker 2: try to be generous. I try to make sure that 615 00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:26,399 Speaker 2: we're having a fun life, you know what I'm saying, Like, 616 00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:29,320 Speaker 2: that's as far as money goes. That's probably as much 617 00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:31,000 Speaker 2: as I think about it. We want to buy a house, 618 00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:32,680 Speaker 2: all right, let's make a plan and let's stick to 619 00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:35,000 Speaker 2: the plan. Cool. We want to prepare for having kids, 620 00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:37,119 Speaker 2: all right, let's make a plan and stick to the plan. Cool. 621 00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:41,679 Speaker 2: That becomes bills, That becomes responsibility. Once my responsibilities are 622 00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:43,920 Speaker 2: taken care of, whatever I got, whatever extra we're just 623 00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:45,359 Speaker 2: trying to have a good life. We're just trying to 624 00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:48,840 Speaker 2: have fun. I don't ever like work too hard for 625 00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:52,399 Speaker 2: the money or or oh yeah, yeah, let's let's get 626 00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:54,800 Speaker 2: that last for I'll turn down shows, I'll turn down 627 00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:57,159 Speaker 2: things that I don't want to do, and money is 628 00:27:57,200 --> 00:27:59,480 Speaker 2: never the only reason why I'm gonna go do something. 629 00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:01,960 Speaker 2: And so I think that's the best way I can 630 00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:04,040 Speaker 2: answer your question, because even with this part, it's just 631 00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:07,680 Speaker 2: like outside of planning, and I don't really think about 632 00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:10,400 Speaker 2: money too much. I gotta be trying to do something, 633 00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:11,840 Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. Before I came to New York, 634 00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:14,440 Speaker 2: I was like, all right, we gotta pay for sessions 635 00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:17,040 Speaker 2: for practice. Wife. You're gonna want to do a little 636 00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:18,440 Speaker 2: shop and you know what I'm saying, we gotta eat. 637 00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:21,440 Speaker 2: I gotta pay for everybody ubers. I probably need this much. 638 00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:23,879 Speaker 2: Outside of that, I ain't really think you know what 639 00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:25,760 Speaker 2: I'm saying. That's the way that I think about money, 640 00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:26,639 Speaker 2: But I don't really think. 641 00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:28,680 Speaker 1: About it too much other than that, Why was that 642 00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:30,080 Speaker 1: marriage so important for you? 643 00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:33,359 Speaker 2: Why was marriage important for it? 644 00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:35,160 Speaker 1: So some people will tell you that they don't think 645 00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:37,680 Speaker 1: that marriage. You know, we could be together. Some people 646 00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:41,240 Speaker 1: will be together twenty years and then end up getting married. 647 00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:42,520 Speaker 1: Why did you say okay? Now? 648 00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:47,520 Speaker 2: First, I was raised that way. The idea of marriage 649 00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:52,120 Speaker 2: was always an end goal for me. Beyond that. I 650 00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:53,960 Speaker 2: think I'm a person that needs somebody. I've told my 651 00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:55,280 Speaker 2: wife that a lot. I was like, I don't think 652 00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:57,640 Speaker 2: I would have in life. I think I just needed 653 00:28:57,680 --> 00:28:59,640 Speaker 2: a partner from a young age, from high school age, 654 00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:01,719 Speaker 2: from the that I started dating. I feel like I 655 00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:04,480 Speaker 2: was always It wasn't very too long being single before 656 00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:06,840 Speaker 2: I was in another relationship because I feel like I 657 00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:10,160 Speaker 2: need somebody, a partner to work with. We've been together 658 00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:13,720 Speaker 2: for ten years, yeah, ten years. We've been married for 659 00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:19,280 Speaker 2: four this year. My first time talking to her was 660 00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:22,240 Speaker 2: when I first got signed and I'm skating around New York. 661 00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:24,280 Speaker 2: She's in New Orleans, just talking to her on the 662 00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:26,920 Speaker 2: phone every night. You know. That ended up being three 663 00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:28,600 Speaker 2: She was still in school. So we're on the phone 664 00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:31,280 Speaker 2: for like three months, just loving being on the phone 665 00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:33,960 Speaker 2: five six hours at a time. So for me, very early, 666 00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:35,440 Speaker 2: I knew, oh yeah, this is a type of person 667 00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:36,200 Speaker 2: I could be with forever. 668 00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:39,200 Speaker 1: That's the best those beginnings. Yeah, yeah, just say we 669 00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:41,160 Speaker 1: were talking to the sun came up to just be 670 00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:43,680 Speaker 1: on the phone all night long, fall asleep on the. 671 00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:48,800 Speaker 2: Phone, and what three years in four years? In what 672 00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:54,440 Speaker 2: was it when I propose to four years yeah, I 673 00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:58,760 Speaker 2: just you know, we have been through a lot, and 674 00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:01,680 Speaker 2: in a sense of trying to uttering myself and trying 675 00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:04,600 Speaker 2: to do better by her, I purposed in my mind 676 00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:05,920 Speaker 2: at the time, I was like, all right, what are 677 00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:08,280 Speaker 2: you doing? Do you want to be with this woman? 678 00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:10,240 Speaker 2: Do you want to be with her forever? What are 679 00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:12,160 Speaker 2: you doing that shows her that? And what are you 680 00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:14,360 Speaker 2: going to do that you're not doing to make that 681 00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:17,840 Speaker 2: a reality? So that was shortly before I post proposed 682 00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:20,560 Speaker 2: to her, and for me, it was just evaluation. We've 683 00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:23,880 Speaker 2: been together this long, you're trying to do this. What 684 00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:26,120 Speaker 2: is the end goal here? You know what I'm saying like, 685 00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:29,040 Speaker 2: And once I figured that out, then it was all right, 686 00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:30,840 Speaker 2: make sure that she on the same page of me, 687 00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:32,000 Speaker 2: and if she on the same page of me what 688 00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:33,480 Speaker 2: she was, it was like, all right, in what we're doing, 689 00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:36,840 Speaker 2: let's do it. I knew long before I proposed to 690 00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:38,040 Speaker 2: her that that was the person that I want to 691 00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:40,280 Speaker 2: be with. I love long before I proposed her to 692 00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:42,880 Speaker 2: my partner, So it was just time. 693 00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:45,680 Speaker 1: It seems like you hold yourself accountable just from everything 694 00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:48,560 Speaker 1: that we're talking about that there's periods of time and 695 00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:50,160 Speaker 1: be like, okay, what do I need to do. 696 00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:52,680 Speaker 2: There's people, including my wife, who would say I don't 697 00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:57,800 Speaker 2: all the time. You yeah, yeah, I tried to try. 698 00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:02,000 Speaker 1: Guys say, now see, you're also going back to South Africa. 699 00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:07,480 Speaker 2: I love it. Yeah, shout out South Africa. They are 700 00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:12,160 Speaker 2: my most voracious fans. They be on my comments, they 701 00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:15,200 Speaker 2: be on my YouTube, every social media. God, they be 702 00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:18,400 Speaker 2: on there. And I always know because I get up 703 00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:21,800 Speaker 2: early and the time difference. There's an influx of South 704 00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:25,800 Speaker 2: African comments and social media engagement at two, three, four 705 00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:29,040 Speaker 2: in the morning, so they be active. They are literally 706 00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:31,480 Speaker 2: top three. They go from one to two and three 707 00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:36,400 Speaker 2: all the time when we look of fans downloading, buying, purchasing, whatever. 708 00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:39,520 Speaker 2: So I love going out to South Africa. The first 709 00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:41,160 Speaker 2: time we went out there, we did a show and 710 00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:43,040 Speaker 2: then we were able to do a show twice the 711 00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:45,640 Speaker 2: size just off word of mouth two days later. 712 00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:46,560 Speaker 1: That's huge. 713 00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:47,680 Speaker 2: They love me out there. 714 00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:49,880 Speaker 1: So I love y'all right back, and I love it 715 00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:50,200 Speaker 1: there too. 716 00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:52,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the camp right there, y'all. I love y'all too. 717 00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:54,640 Speaker 1: Was it life changing for you the first time that 718 00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:57,000 Speaker 1: you went to South Africa. The first time I went, 719 00:31:57,080 --> 00:31:59,040 Speaker 1: I was with my bunch of my friends came. They 720 00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:00,920 Speaker 1: were like, we're gonna come to since I got bucked 721 00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:04,440 Speaker 1: to do something, and literally like started crying as soon 722 00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:05,200 Speaker 1: as we landed. 723 00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:09,840 Speaker 2: Uh not that not that deep, but but no, but 724 00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:11,760 Speaker 2: there were moments where you just kind of sit back 725 00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:14,480 Speaker 2: and be like, wow, Like I am in Africa, you 726 00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:16,760 Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. And even I got some homies 727 00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:18,400 Speaker 2: in Ghana and Nigeria. I was like, no, not the 728 00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:20,920 Speaker 2: real Africa. Shout out David. Though you didn't go to 729 00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:23,480 Speaker 2: the real Africa. I'm like, I went. That's where I was, 730 00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:26,520 Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. So, man, just seeing all 731 00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:29,080 Speaker 2: the black people being in a black country that is 732 00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:31,960 Speaker 2: a black country, you know what I'm saying. I'm sorry, continent, 733 00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:36,680 Speaker 2: but the idea of home motherland, all of those things 734 00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:39,440 Speaker 2: kind of start as an American start hitting you while 735 00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:43,360 Speaker 2: you're surrounded by all of this culture. Yeah, I think 736 00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:45,520 Speaker 2: about that a lot most of the times when I'm 737 00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:47,880 Speaker 2: overseas though, I have those kind of thoughts. I'm very 738 00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:50,040 Speaker 2: I mean, you should be aware of how the world 739 00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:53,680 Speaker 2: views America, good and bad, and so those are things 740 00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:55,720 Speaker 2: that are usually on my mind when I'm out the country. 741 00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:58,680 Speaker 2: So I'm still in the myriad of ways in South Africa. 742 00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:01,240 Speaker 1: Nice, that's so dope. Been there once and I'm dying 743 00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:03,400 Speaker 1: to go back. That's a long flight. It's a commitment. 744 00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:05,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I'm used to traveling though. 745 00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:08,760 Speaker 1: So yeah, I have to be here, you know. But 746 00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:10,920 Speaker 1: I want to talk about this too. Now, let me 747 00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:13,880 Speaker 1: see if Mick Jenkins is being messy when you put 748 00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:17,240 Speaker 1: a song by Freddie Gibbs featuring Freddie Gibbs and then 749 00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:20,200 Speaker 1: Benny the Butcher right after. Yeah, now, is that something 750 00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:21,720 Speaker 1: you even realized when you did it? 751 00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:22,640 Speaker 2: Oh? I realized it. 752 00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:24,160 Speaker 1: Ok, you did it on purpose. 753 00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:27,480 Speaker 2: I didn't know they were both going to give me 754 00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:30,600 Speaker 2: my verse. That was the issue. I had been chasing 755 00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:33,480 Speaker 2: Freddy for like a year and a half, seeing Freddie 756 00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:37,120 Speaker 2: out multiple times. He from Gary, so you know, basically 757 00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:41,080 Speaker 2: a Chicago nigga, all love. But every time I hit 758 00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:45,080 Speaker 2: him to do the record, no response, which is typical 759 00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:48,280 Speaker 2: in the industry. Niggas to sdap you up, chop it up, 760 00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:50,480 Speaker 2: smoke with you, but when you want to work, you 761 00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:55,120 Speaker 2: ain't getting no response patience. So exactly, so all right, cool, 762 00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:58,200 Speaker 2: Freddie not hitting me back. My label loves Benny. The 763 00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:00,000 Speaker 2: label want to get Bennie. I'm like, all right, go ahead, 764 00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:04,320 Speaker 2: get Bennie. Almost really, almost the same day, we get Bennie. 765 00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:06,960 Speaker 2: Two am that morning, Freddy sent me the verse just 766 00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:10,080 Speaker 2: out the blue, no no heads up, no nothing. I'm like, 767 00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:12,560 Speaker 2: damn this nigga sent the verse? All right? Cool? So 768 00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:14,680 Speaker 2: I'm like, damn, we really got a Freddie and a 769 00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:15,399 Speaker 2: Bennie verse. 770 00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:18,279 Speaker 1: Put him back to back, back to bad. 771 00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:22,920 Speaker 2: So I did that on purpose, but I just had 772 00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:24,440 Speaker 2: no way of knowing I was gonna get both of 773 00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:27,200 Speaker 2: them verses because Freddy wouldn't hit me back. You know better, 774 00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:31,160 Speaker 2: Freddy easy, you know what? And I'm gonna say it too, 775 00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:33,600 Speaker 2: because this is how I felt, you know, holler at me. 776 00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:36,080 Speaker 2: But I don't think Bennie knew what was going on. 777 00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:39,400 Speaker 2: I've done what Bennie, what I believe Bennie did, which 778 00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:42,399 Speaker 2: is paid for. I give you one of my out 779 00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:44,360 Speaker 2: of a ten, I give one of my sevens. I 780 00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:46,080 Speaker 2: give one of my sixties. You know what I'm saying, 781 00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:48,280 Speaker 2: because it's still gonna be fire. I don't think Bennie 782 00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:49,680 Speaker 2: knew that I was about to do what I was 783 00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:51,920 Speaker 2: about to do on that joint. So I give him 784 00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:53,600 Speaker 2: a pass because he ain't come with it for real? 785 00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:56,520 Speaker 2: You know Freddy versus better. I still like the verse. 786 00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:58,920 Speaker 2: Obviously it was on it was on the album, but 787 00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:00,680 Speaker 2: he ain't come. That wasn't Bennie's best. 788 00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:02,640 Speaker 1: If you didn't like a verse, would you not put it? 789 00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:04,200 Speaker 1: Would you send it back? Would you not put it? 790 00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:04,480 Speaker 2: Like? 791 00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:06,200 Speaker 1: What do you do when somebody sends you a verse 792 00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:08,000 Speaker 1: and it's not a different things. 793 00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:09,560 Speaker 2: Come into play? How much did I pay for it? 794 00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:11,239 Speaker 2: How much do I like the song? Do I feel 795 00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:13,040 Speaker 2: like you hurt in the song? Or do I feel 796 00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:15,959 Speaker 2: like you're helping the song? If you hurt in the song, 797 00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:16,839 Speaker 2: I really don't care. 798 00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:18,839 Speaker 1: I'll probably take you off, okay. 799 00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:22,920 Speaker 2: And if you if I know you, I'll probably take 800 00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:25,200 Speaker 2: the song off. If I don't know you, I'm gonna 801 00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:26,400 Speaker 2: take you off, okay. 802 00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:28,200 Speaker 1: But if you pay for it, you can't be like 803 00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:29,799 Speaker 1: I need a different verse. This wasn't it. 804 00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:32,759 Speaker 2: I've never done that, and when people have done that 805 00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:34,080 Speaker 2: to me, it never went well. 806 00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:39,520 Speaker 1: So I think that's a fair thing to say, like, 807 00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:42,000 Speaker 1: you know, this don't really fit this song? Is there? 808 00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:44,120 Speaker 1: Can we work on something else? I think that is 809 00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:49,839 Speaker 1: a fair thing to do to Okay, when didn't go well, 810 00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:51,080 Speaker 1: does that mean you just didn't. 811 00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:53,480 Speaker 2: Do it or he's Here's the thing. If you don't 812 00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:55,960 Speaker 2: know me and you're paying for a feature, in my mind, 813 00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:58,480 Speaker 2: you're paying for what I'm giving you. Okay, But if 814 00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:00,520 Speaker 2: we're in a studio working, you know, if we have 815 00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:01,840 Speaker 2: the at least that level. 816 00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:03,000 Speaker 1: Of kmaradeo, don't do that. 817 00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:05,200 Speaker 2: We could We could do whatever you want. We a 818 00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:06,880 Speaker 2: in here right now, you know what I'm saying. But 819 00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:09,319 Speaker 2: when you hey, hey, I want one of these? Yeah, 820 00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:12,000 Speaker 2: I'm ordering it, you feel me like that's essentially what 821 00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:14,279 Speaker 2: you're doing. I'm gonna do this on my own time 822 00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:16,640 Speaker 2: and then I'm gonna send it to you. Bro, you're 823 00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:22,319 Speaker 2: going especially when I'm not bs A niggas right, I'm 824 00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:24,120 Speaker 2: rapping for you. You know what I'm saying. 825 00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:26,520 Speaker 1: Yes, you're not giving a person you already. 826 00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:29,040 Speaker 2: Had, now what I have done. Shout out grip. He's 827 00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:32,359 Speaker 2: from Atlanta. He sent it back, like, Bro, I'm rocking 828 00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:36,279 Speaker 2: with the verse, but this is twelve bars. I bought 829 00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:39,279 Speaker 2: a sixteen. I was like, you know what, You're right, 830 00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:42,400 Speaker 2: I ain't even try to short you. That was just 831 00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:43,880 Speaker 2: a good spot for me to stop. You know what 832 00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:46,160 Speaker 2: I'm saying, but you're right, I'm gonna do the other 833 00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:49,880 Speaker 2: four bars. I'll do that, but nah, redoing the verse? 834 00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:51,440 Speaker 2: All right? 835 00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:53,560 Speaker 1: Well, being that it took Freddy gives this long to 836 00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:55,839 Speaker 1: put to send you his verse, who else are other 837 00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:58,480 Speaker 1: other artists right now that you're like, okay waiting for 838 00:36:58,520 --> 00:36:59,880 Speaker 1: this verse to come in because I know you did 839 00:36:59,920 --> 00:37:03,360 Speaker 1: it a lot of songs for this project, and I 840 00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:04,839 Speaker 1: know you have another project on the way. 841 00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:05,200 Speaker 2: Yeah. 842 00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:08,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, what we'll talk about in a second. But are 843 00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:10,719 Speaker 1: there some verses out there that you're waiting to get back? 844 00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:14,160 Speaker 2: No, Jia was the other person. 845 00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:20,279 Speaker 1: Okay, but I got it. Yeah, I know you were 846 00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:21,240 Speaker 1: happy with that one. 847 00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:25,279 Speaker 2: I've never really had big features on any of my. 848 00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:27,800 Speaker 1: Projects, I know, but this is These are all pretty 849 00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:30,279 Speaker 1: big ones on the album. 850 00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:32,040 Speaker 2: And that's what I feel good about. It is just like, man, 851 00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:34,759 Speaker 2: when I did reach out, you know, everybody showed up. 852 00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:36,040 Speaker 2: Everybody was like, yeah, yeah, no problem. 853 00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:37,640 Speaker 1: Was it for a lack of you reaching out? 854 00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:40,239 Speaker 2: Absolutely? Yeah, it was absolutely It's a lack of me 855 00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:43,920 Speaker 2: reaching out. My competitiveness. The way I viewed the industry 856 00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:45,760 Speaker 2: at the time, it was just like, no, I'm doing everything, 857 00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:47,239 Speaker 2: I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna 858 00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:49,239 Speaker 2: do it. And you know, the more I've gotten into 859 00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:52,120 Speaker 2: collaborating and respecting the collaboration process for what it is, 860 00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:56,880 Speaker 2: the more I've gotten into song creation and not just rapping, 861 00:37:57,040 --> 00:37:58,480 Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. Really well, I used to 862 00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:00,359 Speaker 2: be like, Oh, I rap amazing, That's all I to do. 863 00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:02,560 Speaker 2: The more I've gotten into the artistry of what I do, 864 00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:05,200 Speaker 2: the more I do those things. But yeah, there was 865 00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:07,080 Speaker 2: I would say the first five years I wasn't even 866 00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:08,279 Speaker 2: trying to work with nobody else. 867 00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:10,600 Speaker 1: Right, it worked out for you, though. 868 00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:14,719 Speaker 2: I guess I was successiful, So I can't complain. 869 00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:15,879 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, A right to talk about 870 00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:17,600 Speaker 1: these next two projects that are on the way. 871 00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:19,839 Speaker 2: Well, for me, I'm in a space of, like I said, 872 00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:24,760 Speaker 2: I'm fully independent now. I said that before simply because 873 00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:27,600 Speaker 2: even though I was attached to a label or something, 874 00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:29,960 Speaker 2: I was doing everything myself. Me and my team were 875 00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:32,399 Speaker 2: doing everything ourselves. I am now in a position where 876 00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:34,880 Speaker 2: I'm not even attached to anybody else, and so for me, 877 00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:37,080 Speaker 2: this is the first time experiencing that. So I want 878 00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:38,600 Speaker 2: to see what it's like to drop some music. I 879 00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:40,480 Speaker 2: want to see what that what them residuals and what 880 00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:42,279 Speaker 2: them worldties look back look like when I get one 881 00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:45,120 Speaker 2: hundred percent, you know what I'm saying. So right now, 882 00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:48,279 Speaker 2: I didn't even focus on a super conceptual album. I'm 883 00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:51,160 Speaker 2: feel free, so I wanted to create like that. I've 884 00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:54,160 Speaker 2: been locking in with different producers and just making different sounds. 885 00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:56,839 Speaker 2: The first producer I locked in with. His name is Emil. 886 00:38:57,560 --> 00:39:00,520 Speaker 2: He's from London. Man, this guys are and he does 887 00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:06,000 Speaker 2: everything him and his you know, instrumentalist everything live and 888 00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:09,839 Speaker 2: so this shit feels good, it feels big. You feel it, 889 00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:12,680 Speaker 2: and you know what I'm there's some singing thing where 890 00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:14,520 Speaker 2: you can feel it in your chest while somebody singing. 891 00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:15,920 Speaker 2: I feel like that's what the music is like. You 892 00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:17,239 Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. You can really feel it in 893 00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:20,200 Speaker 2: your chest. I love it. I'm rapping at a high 894 00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:22,719 Speaker 2: level when I got a lot to say. I think 895 00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:25,640 Speaker 2: for me, this is like a what do they call 896 00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:27,719 Speaker 2: it when you're trying to get your doctorate, your dissertation? 897 00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:30,640 Speaker 2: Is that they just like a dissertation for me. For 898 00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:31,520 Speaker 2: like the last ten. 899 00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:34,600 Speaker 1: Years, I saw you retweet somebody that said that you 900 00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:35,680 Speaker 1: should do some dance. 901 00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:39,520 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and that's another. That's like I said, I'm 902 00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:44,640 Speaker 2: trying to hear different markets, different sounds, different genres. I'm 903 00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:48,000 Speaker 2: on Kate, not a I'm on Disclosures album. I definitely 904 00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:50,839 Speaker 2: can make dance music, and so I'm doing that too 905 00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:53,200 Speaker 2: as well. Wow, I'm trying to lock in with Kate, 906 00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:55,759 Speaker 2: but I feel like I'm chasing him everywhere. Holler at me. 907 00:39:57,640 --> 00:40:01,440 Speaker 2: But I know some guys all day reset locking in 908 00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:03,600 Speaker 2: with a few different producers that I know can can 909 00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:06,040 Speaker 2: cater to that sound. I'm trying to do that as well. 910 00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:09,800 Speaker 2: My girl MBI Lyrics. We got a whole project finish. 911 00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:12,680 Speaker 2: Slime is my DJ. We got a low five project 912 00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:14,040 Speaker 2: finished not Goodness. 913 00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:16,520 Speaker 1: You said you went off and running. You got out 914 00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:18,880 Speaker 1: of that deal and said, I'm depending. Let's do everything 915 00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:20,759 Speaker 1: I want to do. I've been building up. 916 00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:23,360 Speaker 2: When you say, you know, when you're in that situation 917 00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:25,360 Speaker 2: and you don't like it, does it hurt you because 918 00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:27,239 Speaker 2: you're not showing people what you're not doing well now 919 00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:29,439 Speaker 2: that I'm not I'm like, now, niggas don't get to see. 920 00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:31,839 Speaker 2: This is what I look like when I'm operating at 921 00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:34,759 Speaker 2: one hundred percent. And so for me, it's not even 922 00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:36,880 Speaker 2: a lot. You know. For me, it's just me and 923 00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:38,680 Speaker 2: a meal locked in for two weeks and we got 924 00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:40,719 Speaker 2: like nine songs done and we chose five. You know 925 00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:42,600 Speaker 2: what I'm saying. Me and ABI locked in for a month, 926 00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:44,600 Speaker 2: we got ten songs. Me and Slime locked in for 927 00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:47,279 Speaker 2: two separate weeks at a time, we got fifteen songs, 928 00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:49,719 Speaker 2: and we're gonna narrow those down. This is how I work, 929 00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:51,880 Speaker 2: This is this is the space at which I can go. 930 00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:53,799 Speaker 2: This is the pace at which I can go. The 931 00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:58,680 Speaker 2: ideas are not running out, and even more than that, 932 00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:01,640 Speaker 2: I'm focused on on the world building of those ideas. Right, 933 00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:03,120 Speaker 2: So I'm not just about to drop a lot of music. 934 00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:06,120 Speaker 2: I'm about to drop music with ideas and videos and 935 00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:09,600 Speaker 2: world building and concepts and merch And then four months 936 00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:10,799 Speaker 2: later we're gonna give you another one. 937 00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:11,200 Speaker 1: Wow. 938 00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:13,000 Speaker 2: And then five months later we're gonna give you another one. 939 00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:14,840 Speaker 2: Because this is the space that I wish I could. 940 00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:16,399 Speaker 1: Move and doing everything you want to do. 941 00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:18,879 Speaker 2: Deals don't allow you to move like this. Labels don't 942 00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:22,560 Speaker 2: allow you to move like this, like the construct of 943 00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:24,920 Speaker 2: the industry don't really allow you to drop a project 944 00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:27,399 Speaker 2: and drop another one four months later. Young boy, dropped 945 00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:30,480 Speaker 2: the project, dropped his dropped the album I think last year, 946 00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:33,080 Speaker 2: dropped the project the month later, and then I read 947 00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:35,120 Speaker 2: a release from the label that that second project would 948 00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:36,560 Speaker 2: not be counted again. 949 00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:38,279 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, trying to get out of. 950 00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:40,719 Speaker 2: His can't do it stuff like that with it, and 951 00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:42,759 Speaker 2: so it feels really free and for me, it's really 952 00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:44,279 Speaker 2: fun to be able to come at it like that 953 00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:45,080 Speaker 2: for me right now. 954 00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:47,000 Speaker 1: Oh good, Well, I'm glad you look happy. I can 955 00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:49,319 Speaker 1: I see it only if talking about it. 956 00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:51,399 Speaker 2: I'm content. I'm content for sure. 957 00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:53,960 Speaker 1: That's a great thing. So I'm happy for you, and 958 00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:55,880 Speaker 1: thank you so much for coming through and chopping it 959 00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:58,600 Speaker 1: up with me, because this is something that I felt like, 960 00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:00,479 Speaker 1: are we going to get Mike Jenkins up? I'm glad 961 00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:02,719 Speaker 1: we did, and I appreciate that. I know you have 962 00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:05,799 Speaker 1: sold out shows. I can't even say, you know, buy 963 00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:07,320 Speaker 1: your tickets because you can't. 964 00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:09,080 Speaker 2: Thank you, New York. 965 00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:11,839 Speaker 1: But I'm sure you're gonna ask some more, right because 966 00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:13,040 Speaker 1: you got so much going on for at the. 967 00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:14,279 Speaker 2: End of the year. We should have a few more 968 00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:20,279 Speaker 2: water shows, for sure. We got one in Minneapolis, we're 969 00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:22,520 Speaker 2: working on one in Nashville. We're working on one in Chicago. 970 00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:24,719 Speaker 2: La keeps saying something so we might do on there. 971 00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:27,000 Speaker 2: Just keep looking out if you're trying to catch my chickens. 972 00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:29,399 Speaker 1: All right, perfect, well, thank you so much for coming through. 973 00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:32,320 Speaker 1: Appreciate it. You got to do like a water collab 974 00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:33,879 Speaker 1: or something like that, you know what. 975 00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:38,120 Speaker 2: The Water's ten year anniversary. We had blue Note tonight, 976 00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:40,960 Speaker 2: and it's very crazy to me that I've been singing 977 00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:43,520 Speaker 2: about water for ten years and I can't not even 978 00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:45,319 Speaker 2: the sani. You know what I'm saying. I don't even 979 00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:47,120 Speaker 2: drink the sanny. I'm saying that's the bottom of the barrel. 980 00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:49,799 Speaker 2: I can't even get the Sanni to come holler at me. 981 00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:52,760 Speaker 2: You feel me like nobody. You know what I'm saying. 982 00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:55,239 Speaker 2: I can't even get a nameless water bottle to come 983 00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:57,879 Speaker 2: holler at me. It's crazy, man, drink more water. 984 00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:00,400 Speaker 1: Let's try to get this done. Please, all right, please, 985 00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:04,960 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, it's way up, way up. 986 00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:05,960 Speaker 2: Okay,