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Speaker 1: It's Monday, April seventeenth, twenty and twenty three. This is

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Speaker 1: So today's kind of like a BC live chat mixed

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Speaker 1: and this performance, it wasn't better than the Cater fight,

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Speaker 1: but it's I say vintage in the sense that he

428
00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:42,040
Speaker 1: found a way to get back to being the very

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Speaker 1: best of who could who he could be? Could that

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Speaker 1: very best of who Max could be at this age

431
00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:48,800
Speaker 1: ever beat well? Couldas Got? I don't know, I don't know.

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00:21:48,840 --> 00:21:50,879
Speaker 1: That may just be his boogeyman in that regard. I mean,

433
00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:53,399
Speaker 1: I thought he'd beat Alex in the second fight very close.

434
00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:56,800
Speaker 1: But there's no shame in that because to come back

435
00:21:56,920 --> 00:22:00,240
Speaker 1: he's still very much a title contender right now. Now,

436
00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:03,240
Speaker 1: more on that in a second. Let's talk about the

437
00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:09,719
Speaker 1: scoring here. Yeah, MMA scoring is in a weird spot,

438
00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:13,359
Speaker 1: our own evaluation of the true criteria mixed with the

439
00:22:13,359 --> 00:22:15,359
Speaker 1: idea that looks some rounds are just close and they

440
00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:17,680
Speaker 1: can go either way, and if you package a couple

441
00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:20,240
Speaker 1: either way in one direction, your score can be significantly different.

442
00:22:20,280 --> 00:22:22,400
Speaker 1: Two judges had at forty nine to forty six for Holloway.

443
00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:24,080
Speaker 1: A lot of people online south that could have been

444
00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:27,879
Speaker 1: five nothing Holloway. Maybe it could have been in some regard,

445
00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:32,320
Speaker 1: but it also could have been three to two Holloway,

446
00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:35,879
Speaker 1: the score I settled on in the end. But what

447
00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:39,200
Speaker 1: about three to two Allen? Is that crazy? Does it

448
00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:45,200
Speaker 1: warrant the deluge of text of Twitter responses I got

449
00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:47,000
Speaker 1: telling me to get a new job, and that you know,

450
00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:49,399
Speaker 1: go back to boxing. You never worshipped to begin, you know,

451
00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:51,080
Speaker 1: all that great stuff you get when you share your

452
00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:55,280
Speaker 1: your real, dissenting opinion. I wasn't scoring that fight the

453
00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:58,000
Speaker 1: first time, watching it live on an aggressive level as

454
00:22:58,040 --> 00:22:59,679
Speaker 1: if I was working. I was scoring it somewhat passive

455
00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:01,840
Speaker 1: leads rare time I was able to watch a fight

456
00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:04,040
Speaker 1: truly as a fan sort of scorn in my head.

457
00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:07,399
Speaker 1: I don't think the idea of three to two Allen

458
00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:10,080
Speaker 1: is impossible in a fight this close. That was that good.

459
00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:11,639
Speaker 1: I know Aeriel scored it that way. I kind of

460
00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:14,080
Speaker 1: scored it that way live. What change did I make

461
00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:16,680
Speaker 1: to flip it forty eight forty seven for Holloway, I'll

462
00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:21,240
Speaker 1: tell you round one close but clear Holloway win. His

463
00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:27,320
Speaker 1: establishment of distance control is obviously just next level. Allen

464
00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:28,879
Speaker 1: got off to a little bit of a slow start.

465
00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:30,959
Speaker 1: But again the theme here on if you're saying, well,

466
00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:33,320
Speaker 1: Ellen should have pushed more. How do you push more

467
00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:36,040
Speaker 1: against a guy who's switching stances, spinning around, doing all

468
00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:38,359
Speaker 1: kinds of crazy things, but staying in the fluid rhythm

469
00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:41,760
Speaker 1: and still constantly touching you with such a variety of shots,

470
00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:46,080
Speaker 1: including including the consistent establishment of that body kick from Holloway,

471
00:23:46,119 --> 00:23:49,479
Speaker 1: which you could tell slowed Alan down a bit, you know,

472
00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:52,399
Speaker 1: and obviously the accumulation of those clean shots. You can

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Speaker 1: see the blood at starting on Allen's nose there. But

474
00:23:55,119 --> 00:23:57,800
Speaker 1: the second round, Oh, first of all, how did the

475
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Speaker 1: judges just have it? I mentioned the scores. All three

476
00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:03,960
Speaker 1: judges gave Allen the fifth round, which we'll talk about

477
00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:06,480
Speaker 1: in a second. One of the three judges gave Allen

478
00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:09,240
Speaker 1: the second round. I think arn Allen won the second round.

479
00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:12,040
Speaker 1: I thought he made an excellent adjustment in which he

480
00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:14,240
Speaker 1: the first round. He I don't want to say he

481
00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:16,760
Speaker 1: took it off because he didn't. He was chasing Max,

482
00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:19,480
Speaker 1: but he's trying to figure out the timing, the speed,

483
00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:21,840
Speaker 1: all that stuff. Round two, I thought he came out

484
00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:25,199
Speaker 1: with Pepinis step saying, Okay, I know what I'm in

485
00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:27,359
Speaker 1: here against. Now let me do what I do. And

486
00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:30,480
Speaker 1: when he was able to sit down on his striking

487
00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:33,120
Speaker 1: attempts look like everything he throws as powerful. I love

488
00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:37,200
Speaker 1: to describe Allen as a technical slugger, and this is

489
00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:39,000
Speaker 1: why this played into by the way, why this fight

490
00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:41,520
Speaker 1: was so great, because he's not reckless. Now when you're

491
00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:44,600
Speaker 1: constantly coming forward as he is. Are you going to

492
00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:47,879
Speaker 1: be open against great fighters? And you have to be

493
00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:49,679
Speaker 1: willing to absorb a certain level of punishment to get

494
00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:52,639
Speaker 1: your shots up. That's all. That's all goes without saying

495
00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:55,560
Speaker 1: to the style that Allen executes. But even within that

496
00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:58,560
Speaker 1: style he has very responsible defense. I mean it took

497
00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:01,480
Speaker 1: an all time great in Max Holloway in an all

498
00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:03,560
Speaker 1: time great performance to kind of piece him up and

499
00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:06,640
Speaker 1: then rely on his incredible timing and how he sets

500
00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:09,120
Speaker 1: it up with the footwork. But Arnold Allen sat down

501
00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:13,520
Speaker 1: on his shots and made creative technical attempts with footwork

502
00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:16,560
Speaker 1: and combinations at getting inside. And there was that sequence

503
00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:18,920
Speaker 1: you know, in the second minute of the second round

504
00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:22,200
Speaker 1: where you know, he rocked Max and he got off

505
00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:24,679
Speaker 1: three even four really clean shots. And I thought the

506
00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:27,560
Speaker 1: rest of that round Alan did enough with the pressure

507
00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:30,360
Speaker 1: and landing single left hands here and there to win

508
00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:31,720
Speaker 1: the round. I don't think, you know, one of the

509
00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:34,000
Speaker 1: three judges saw it that way. I watched it a

510
00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:36,280
Speaker 1: second time. I still think Arnold Allen won that second round,

511
00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:39,720
Speaker 1: third round, Max's best fight round of the fight, and

512
00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:42,000
Speaker 1: it was it was basically virtuo. So like I mean,

513
00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:44,560
Speaker 1: he was just doing exactly what he wanted in the flow.

514
00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:47,879
Speaker 1: You know, it's like Lebron coming down, crossing people up,

515
00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:49,600
Speaker 1: hitting the three in your eye. I mean it was.

516
00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:53,880
Speaker 1: It was incredible. The swing ish potential If you want

517
00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:56,240
Speaker 1: to believe at all that there's a case for Arnold

518
00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:58,639
Speaker 1: Allen either being closer or maybe more than that in

519
00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:01,120
Speaker 1: this fight. Are the fourth and fifth round in real

520
00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:02,920
Speaker 1: time from the a throw of delta. Yes, I thought

521
00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:06,240
Speaker 1: Arnold Allen had done enough in a close round. You

522
00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:08,600
Speaker 1: have to realize that the fourth round they both kind

523
00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:12,040
Speaker 1: of took a step off in their activity. Second watch,

524
00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:15,600
Speaker 1: Max did more to offset the couple of clean shots

525
00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:18,560
Speaker 1: that Alan landed. That's where I spin my score forty

526
00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:20,400
Speaker 1: eight to forty seven for Holloway on the second watch

527
00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:25,119
Speaker 1: fourth round, his close round, the least aggressive round for

528
00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:28,080
Speaker 1: the two of them. Close ish, But I Max did

529
00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:30,160
Speaker 1: enough in real time. I thought you could make a case.

530
00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:33,320
Speaker 1: The fifth round is interesting. All three judges gave it

531
00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:38,240
Speaker 1: ten to nine for Allan despite him getting dropped. But

532
00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:42,120
Speaker 1: we have to talk about things regarding someone getting dropped

533
00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:45,000
Speaker 1: in boxing. It's written into the scorecard in the ten

534
00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:48,280
Speaker 1: nine MUS system. Essentially in the scoring rules that you know,

535
00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:50,040
Speaker 1: you drop a guy, it's a ten to nine round

536
00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:53,359
Speaker 1: for you unless he had, Unless your opponent who got

537
00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:56,480
Speaker 1: dropped had controlled the totality of that round, maybe it

538
00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:59,160
Speaker 1: would instead be a ten to nine round in your favor.

539
00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:01,120
Speaker 1: You know, at one point, the whole point is every

540
00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:03,800
Speaker 1: knockdown you score is essentially a point against your opponent.

541
00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:06,480
Speaker 1: You see that when guys get dropped twice and it's

542
00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:07,960
Speaker 1: a ten to seven round, or the rare times you

543
00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:10,000
Speaker 1: get dropped three times and the fight isn't called off

544
00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:14,080
Speaker 1: and it's a ten six round an MMA, it's not

545
00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:19,560
Speaker 1: as automatic that a knockdown is the you know, it

546
00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:22,639
Speaker 1: could be a tiebreaker for sure. Could it be, you know,

547
00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:24,600
Speaker 1: the thing that leans you in one direction when it's

548
00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:28,120
Speaker 1: kind of close. Yes, but it's not automatic, especially since

549
00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:30,760
Speaker 1: in boxing, if a guy goes down, we stop the

550
00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:34,640
Speaker 1: fight in an issue account where inn MMA, we're just flowing.

551
00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:37,160
Speaker 1: And in this case, look the final ten seconds. They

552
00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:40,360
Speaker 1: almost did one of those crazy kind of final ten

553
00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:42,679
Speaker 1: seconds that we saw in Holloway's great win over Rikardo

554
00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:45,159
Speaker 1: Lamas at UFC one ninety nine. That I had the

555
00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:47,679
Speaker 1: you know, benefit and privilege of sitting that close to

556
00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:51,639
Speaker 1: in what we saw was Arnold Allen with one second

557
00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:55,320
Speaker 1: to go, squaring up, making almost a leaking leaping hook attempt,

558
00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:59,040
Speaker 1: getting clipped, goes down but pops right back up at

559
00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:04,520
Speaker 1: the bell. Is that enough to offset everything Alan had done?

560
00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:07,480
Speaker 1: When you consider before round five? You know for us

561
00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:10,199
Speaker 1: how he goes okay World War three mode go after him,

562
00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:14,320
Speaker 1: and to Alan's credit, like, look, Allen is a is

563
00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:17,600
Speaker 1: a warrior, Arnold Allen, and I've been a little bit

564
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:19,800
Speaker 1: behind on him. Maybe sometimes he's in activity. And obviously

565
00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:21,960
Speaker 1: the Dan Hooker winn opened a lot of our eyes

566
00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:25,000
Speaker 1: into who he really was. And like Holloway's initial run

567
00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:28,200
Speaker 1: to the featherweight title, Alan just had a long winning

568
00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:30,840
Speaker 1: streak in which, you know, he set himself on RSD

569
00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:32,119
Speaker 1: with us. He's not a guy that's going to call

570
00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:34,560
Speaker 1: people out and try to use you know, the media

571
00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:37,040
Speaker 1: or the trash hocking to get an opportunity. He's going

572
00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:39,840
Speaker 1: to do it the old merit way. And he is

573
00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:44,600
Speaker 1: a great fighter, and he is built for biting down

574
00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:46,920
Speaker 1: and going after it. So yes again the whole day

575
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:48,680
Speaker 1: and think could you argue he should have done that

576
00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:51,280
Speaker 1: a little bit earlier to some degree, yes, but I'm

577
00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:54,440
Speaker 1: also obviously arguing that Max made that very difficult. I

578
00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:56,600
Speaker 1: don't think Arnold Allen realized until the end of the

579
00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:59,560
Speaker 1: fourth round that essentially he needed to transition into that mode.

580
00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:03,440
Speaker 1: He was pretty damn close in round four. Remember first watch,

581
00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:05,200
Speaker 1: I thought he had actually may have edged it where

582
00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:06,680
Speaker 1: I could see in his eyes, you know, was I

583
00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:08,720
Speaker 1: close enough to make that too too? Well? Round five,

584
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:11,480
Speaker 1: to his credit, he knew, okay, it's go time. He

585
00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:13,600
Speaker 1: won the red fifth round. I mean for the first

586
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:16,960
Speaker 1: four and a half minutes, Arnold Allen, you know, dominated

587
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:19,040
Speaker 1: would be a it would be a strong word, because

588
00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:22,800
Speaker 1: Max was still in there competitive, but he clearly controlled

589
00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:24,320
Speaker 1: and won that round. The question you have to ask

590
00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:28,480
Speaker 1: yourself is does Max's flash knockdown in the final second

591
00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:35,040
Speaker 1: just offset that automatically? In boxing, you'd have an argument here.

592
00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:37,040
Speaker 1: A lot of people, if this was a boxing round

593
00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:39,600
Speaker 1: in that scenario, would just automatically go, oh, ten nine, holloway,

594
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:42,680
Speaker 1: he dropped him right. Others, though, would look a little

595
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:44,600
Speaker 1: bit deeper and say, well, didn't allan kind of control

596
00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:46,800
Speaker 1: most of the rest of it, So maybe it would

597
00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:49,800
Speaker 1: insta not a ten to eight round in Max's favor,

598
00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:51,760
Speaker 1: maybe a ten to nine round, just to give Alan

599
00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:54,640
Speaker 1: that credit. What do we do though, in MMA? Is

600
00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:59,040
Speaker 1: it just automatically? I don't think it is automatically in MMA. Again,

601
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:00,920
Speaker 1: when a guy gets strapped, not stopping the fight and

602
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:04,440
Speaker 1: issuing a ten count, the fight's still going on. Guys

603
00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:06,600
Speaker 1: get dropped more. There's more ways to get hit with

604
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:09,520
Speaker 1: crazier strikes, with harder strikes, with four on sloves, with elbows,

605
00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:12,200
Speaker 1: with knees, all of that stuff. I don't think Allen

606
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:16,960
Speaker 1: in that spot was defiantly hurt. It doesn't mean I'm

607
00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:19,520
Speaker 1: discounting at all, but I think the totality of the

608
00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:22,680
Speaker 1: four plus minutes of controlling that is not crazy to

609
00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:24,959
Speaker 1: give him that round. All three judges also gave him

610
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:26,520
Speaker 1: that round, which I know isn't always the thing you

611
00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:29,040
Speaker 1: fully lean on. Obviously, when you look at the stats

612
00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:32,000
Speaker 1: of it, Max largely dominated. He was the rightful winner

613
00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:35,080
Speaker 1: stats though, you can't forget that. You know. Round three

614
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:37,840
Speaker 1: was a dominant Max round, which which blew up his

615
00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:40,200
Speaker 1: stats a lot. But round five's got to be an

616
00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:42,920
Speaker 1: r Allen round, and if it is, and that's a

617
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:45,520
Speaker 1: forty eight to forty seven holiday Halloway fight based on

618
00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:47,200
Speaker 1: how I saw it there. I was wrong on round

619
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:48,480
Speaker 1: four and I'll accept that. You know, you don't have

620
00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:51,160
Speaker 1: to come calling for my job or bring the bring

621
00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:54,800
Speaker 1: the flaming you know fork there, But if you did,

622
00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:56,360
Speaker 1: I can take it. You know, it's fine. At the

623
00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:59,320
Speaker 1: end of the day, Arnold Allen's gonna learn and grow

624
00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:03,560
Speaker 1: a lot from this. And you gotta love how humble

625
00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:04,960
Speaker 1: he is. And that's that's why I think a lot

626
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:06,680
Speaker 1: of so many people are falling for him at this

627
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:10,840
Speaker 1: extreme close up now because he's warrior. Even Max st afterwards,

628
00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:12,440
Speaker 1: I couldn't trash talk this guy. I didn't want to

629
00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:14,600
Speaker 1: be so polite. He's so nice, you know, he doesn't

630
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:18,800
Speaker 1: he doesn't do things that sometimes the purest hate about

631
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:20,680
Speaker 1: this fight sport where you can use your mouth to

632
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:23,480
Speaker 1: talk yourself into situations. You know, He's just about going

633
00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:25,760
Speaker 1: out there and getting it done. He's got a blue

634
00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:29,800
Speaker 1: collar work ethic and demeanor shout out to a shout

635
00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:32,800
Speaker 1: out to Pacer, his dad. But at the same time

636
00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:37,640
Speaker 1: very thoughtful, very creative, and how he sets up his strikes.

637
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:41,280
Speaker 1: He fought a better fighter and lost. Could he have

638
00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:43,360
Speaker 1: stepped on the gas more and made it closer or

639
00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:45,280
Speaker 1: more interesting or maybe when it may be in hindsight,

640
00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:47,000
Speaker 1: but he also again would have opened himself up to

641
00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:50,200
Speaker 1: more shots. And even if Max isn't known as a

642
00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:52,400
Speaker 1: as a full time finisher in a striking sense, more

643
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:54,240
Speaker 1: of an accumulation guy. I think of the two Jose

644
00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:57,440
Speaker 1: Aldo fights, you know you're putting yourself in extreme danger

645
00:31:57,480 --> 00:32:00,800
Speaker 1: early when look skill wise, technique wise, Allen wasn't that

646
00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:04,960
Speaker 1: far behind in his first full five round fight in

647
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:07,440
Speaker 1: a pro max crowd there a Kansas city, all that stuff.

648
00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:08,959
Speaker 1: I think you have to like a lot of what

649
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:11,240
Speaker 1: you saw from Allen, Like he's gonna fight for a

650
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:13,280
Speaker 1: world title in this division, There's no question about it.

651
00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:16,520
Speaker 1: It's's just when can he bounce back? How soon can

652
00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:18,000
Speaker 1: he win a title? I think he has the goods

653
00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:21,360
Speaker 1: underneath the hood there to win a title. And maybe

654
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:23,440
Speaker 1: this is that perfect growing experience that a lot of

655
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:25,600
Speaker 1: guys hit when they first step up to this level.

656
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:29,680
Speaker 1: Thank Stepe Miocich against JDS in the first fight, first

657
00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:32,480
Speaker 1: five round fight on that level. Think even Robbie Lawler

658
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:35,600
Speaker 1: losing the title fight to Johnny Hendrix, but then coming

659
00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:38,680
Speaker 1: back and the next one, and you know by the

660
00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:41,800
Speaker 1: way I thought Robbie kind of that first fight with

661
00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:44,280
Speaker 1: Johnny could have gone either way, let's be fair. But

662
00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:47,680
Speaker 1: we've seen that time and again. Arnold Allen's going to

663
00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:52,240
Speaker 1: be fine. They're gonna make the changes to it, you

664
00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:55,440
Speaker 1: know what. I like his chances more against Volkanovski right now.

665
00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:58,440
Speaker 1: I mean, Volkanovski's better than everybody, and that's the fact.

666
00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:00,000
Speaker 1: I mean, that's what it is. He's the best fighter

667
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:02,360
Speaker 1: in the game right now, and he's closing in on

668
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:05,480
Speaker 1: becoming one of the true greatest fighters of all time.

669
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:09,280
Speaker 1: But so is Max. Even if historically because he fought

670
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:11,960
Speaker 1: three times against Alex and came up empty, we do

671
00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:14,880
Speaker 1: have to hold him just a little bit back. What

672
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:18,000
Speaker 1: a fight. It was fun. It reminded me maybe because

673
00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:20,040
Speaker 1: I got to watch it finally as a fan, which

674
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:23,080
Speaker 1: is rare because I'm usually scoring the rounds for CBS

675
00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:25,600
Speaker 1: Sports HQ, writing a recap, doing a live chat, doing

676
00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:27,680
Speaker 1: something right, which you always have to say as a

677
00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:29,400
Speaker 1: media member when you're sharing your scores, you have to

678
00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:30,760
Speaker 1: do it with a grain of salt. I'm not sitting

679
00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:33,239
Speaker 1: there with my phone off and the internet off, you know,

680
00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:36,440
Speaker 1: two feet away, like the judges are scoring, but I

681
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:38,800
Speaker 1: think this was a closer fight than most saw it,

682
00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:42,760
Speaker 1: and that doesn't take away from it also being an

683
00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:47,920
Speaker 1: absolutely brilliant, virtuoso performance from Max Holloway and just another

684
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:51,440
Speaker 1: one on his long list and yet another reinvention. All right,

685
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:57,040
Speaker 1: let's talk about where they go from here. A lot

686
00:33:57,040 --> 00:34:00,000
Speaker 1: of solo talking here. I got a regroup hair right,

687
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Speaker 1: I got the age you want, I got the water,

688
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Speaker 1: I got the chuck Mindenholm, you can get on the

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690
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692
00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:14,279
Speaker 1: care about that, but that's also out there. All right,

693
00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:16,239
Speaker 1: we got a Volkanowski issue for Max, Yes we do.

694
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:19,680
Speaker 1: He's not gonna get a fourth fight against the champion

695
00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:24,200
Speaker 1: at featherweight when he's lost three times unless he goes on,

696
00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:27,040
Speaker 1: you know, a hllacious run of just beating everybody else,

697
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:29,680
Speaker 1: and there's no one else for Vulk to face. And

698
00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:32,080
Speaker 1: they're both, you know, still in this division and still

699
00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:35,240
Speaker 1: in the top five pound for pound together, and you go, hey,

700
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:37,680
Speaker 1: it's rare, it's weird, but let's do it now. It's

701
00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:40,319
Speaker 1: not gonna happen, because I think other things are going

702
00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:44,880
Speaker 1: to happen before then that will change potentially the future

703
00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:46,879
Speaker 1: of Max's thing. What do we know about Max right now?

704
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:48,640
Speaker 1: As I established, he's one of the ten best in

705
00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:50,560
Speaker 1: the world right now. I mean, this is a pound

706
00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:56,000
Speaker 1: for pound redeeming performance. He mentioned an interesting stay busy

707
00:34:57,160 --> 00:34:58,960
Speaker 1: and why wouldn't need to stay busy? First of all,

708
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:01,680
Speaker 1: because yeah, you're Driguez and Alexander Volkanovski are going to

709
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:04,680
Speaker 1: fight to unify the title. And obviously it goes without

710
00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:08,040
Speaker 1: saying if Yaya Rodriguez wins that, which is in play.

711
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:10,480
Speaker 1: Even with how great Vulcan is, you just never can

712
00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:14,000
Speaker 1: discount how dangerous this version of the AIRA is with

713
00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:17,960
Speaker 1: this many shit, with the speed, with the aggressiveness. I

714
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:21,120
Speaker 1: mean he is, this is prime Yaya Rodriguez right now,

715
00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:22,800
Speaker 1: so he could win that. If he wins that, Max

716
00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:27,200
Speaker 1: gets directly inserted right back into the situation he had

717
00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:30,240
Speaker 1: just beaten that guy in a great fight that sells itself.

718
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:34,080
Speaker 1: Max is back. Max said the idea of Korean Zombie

719
00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:35,759
Speaker 1: calling him out and wanting a fight, and I love

720
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:38,960
Speaker 1: Max's way of saying sharing why he wanted so much?

721
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:41,080
Speaker 1: You know they came up together in that old era

722
00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:43,960
Speaker 1: and you know, like we've been knowing Max on the UFC.

723
00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:47,520
Speaker 1: It's like nineteen years old or eighteen or whatever. I mean,

724
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:51,640
Speaker 1: it's been forever. He said he'd even do it in Australia,

725
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:56,600
Speaker 1: he'd love to do. You hate that fight? No? Do

726
00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:59,520
Speaker 1: you love it? No? But you can get behind the

727
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:02,279
Speaker 1: idea of is this, if this is waiting around for

728
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:06,239
Speaker 1: a big opportunity, could you do worse than that? Is

729
00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:09,880
Speaker 1: that an entertaining attractive fight? Yet? I mean to some level, yeah,

730
00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:12,520
Speaker 1: it's also one that should win at this point against

731
00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:15,799
Speaker 1: this version of TKZ. So if it has to come

732
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:17,839
Speaker 1: to that, I don't hate it. But here's the question

733
00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:19,719
Speaker 1: you're asking me BC, why would it come to that?

734
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:26,120
Speaker 1: If Volkanovsky beats Yah, hear, I think Max has to

735
00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:28,480
Speaker 1: leave the division, and I think the only thing he

736
00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:31,840
Speaker 1: would want to be waiting for is what happens in

737
00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:37,919
Speaker 1: Connor McGregor Michael Chandler. This potentially this fall because look,

738
00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:40,120
Speaker 1: Max lost to Connor when they were like, you know,

739
00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:46,480
Speaker 1: in high school. Still basically a rematch is even it

740
00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:49,680
Speaker 1: By the way, even if Connor loses to Chandler, which

741
00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:51,839
Speaker 1: I guess that'd be a welterweight fight. You do that

742
00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:54,680
Speaker 1: fight at lightweight, it's it's a pay per view, you know,

743
00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:57,000
Speaker 1: it's a monster. I mean, it's it's it's it's everything.

744
00:36:57,480 --> 00:37:02,040
Speaker 1: I think that's still worth saving yourself. But if Volkanowski

745
00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:05,680
Speaker 1: doesn't lose and decides to stay at featherweight, I think

746
00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:09,400
Speaker 1: the only way for Max is is lightweight first, looking

747
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:12,000
Speaker 1: at the Connor money opportunity and that that level of

748
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:14,920
Speaker 1: a fight, or maybe even like a hey an ideas

749
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:16,799
Speaker 1: you want to meet in some you know, catchway and

750
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:20,080
Speaker 1: do something fun there. Outside of that, though, I think

751
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:23,520
Speaker 1: Max proved against Arnold Allen that he's still great enough

752
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:26,439
Speaker 1: that even if it would be unlikely that he would

753
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:28,360
Speaker 1: go up to lightweight and win the title, especially with

754
00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:33,080
Speaker 1: somebody like Mahachev atop the division, it's not impossible, and

755
00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:36,400
Speaker 1: it's not it's not a you know, and it's not

756
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:38,719
Speaker 1: a move that would be made just because it's it's

757
00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:43,000
Speaker 1: a promotional, you know, big money fight. It's also something

758
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:45,800
Speaker 1: that Max would earn and have deserved. But it's I

759
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:49,840
Speaker 1: think it's obviously with Max's true skill set one for

760
00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:53,120
Speaker 1: five where he really belongs and he knows that I mean,

761
00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:54,920
Speaker 1: he was close against Poier in that one, in that

762
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:57,200
Speaker 1: UFC two thirty six fight, and you got to give

763
00:37:57,239 --> 00:38:00,000
Speaker 1: him credit for enduring that kind of punishment. But yeah,

764
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:01,960
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know that that's not sustainable for

765
00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:05,600
Speaker 1: Max anymore unless it's unless his elite run is over

766
00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:12,120
Speaker 1: in my opinion, So one is it. What about Volkanovski

767
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:15,480
Speaker 1: if he beats a r going, I beat everybody, I

768
00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:19,200
Speaker 1: mean I have I beat everybody, and I almost beat Mahchev.

769
00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:20,880
Speaker 1: In fact, a lot of people think I should have

770
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:24,480
Speaker 1: gotten the knot against him. I think if you're Volkanovsky

771
00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:27,120
Speaker 1: at that point, given the fact that we know he

772
00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:29,440
Speaker 1: used to weigh two hundred five pounds or two fifteen,

773
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:31,600
Speaker 1: or Jerome Bettis was from Detroit, I mean, there are

774
00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:33,200
Speaker 1: these things we know, right, we know, yeah, I know

775
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:34,880
Speaker 1: the Super Bowls and Detroit, and I know I know

776
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:38,600
Speaker 1: it's it is what it is. But Volkanowski moving up

777
00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:43,600
Speaker 1: to lightweight and trying to rematch the champion, that's business.

778
00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:46,680
Speaker 1: That's history, right, That's like, how do you double down

779
00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:49,600
Speaker 1: on your growing amazing legacy Instead of knocking on the

780
00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:51,120
Speaker 1: door of the upper room, how do you kick it open?

781
00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:53,040
Speaker 1: You go back, make a full time move up to

782
00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:56,440
Speaker 1: lightweight and rematch him, and you know you can't. You can't.

783
00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:58,600
Speaker 1: He might win that. I mean he might have already

784
00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:00,000
Speaker 1: won that, right, I mean I scored that for hid

785
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:02,760
Speaker 1: and I even can support a four to one Islam

786
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:05,400
Speaker 1: scorecard there. Again, the MMIs this is what I just

787
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:07,360
Speaker 1: want people to always realize when it comes to scoring

788
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:11,000
Speaker 1: any combat sport fight. Just because the math added up

789
00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:13,360
Speaker 1: that you thought you can either make a case so

790
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:16,040
Speaker 1: that one guy might have won, doesn't mean it that

791
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:19,799
Speaker 1: visually that guy dominated, or that is the only way

792
00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:23,320
Speaker 1: me saying it's possible that you could get to forty

793
00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:25,359
Speaker 1: eight forty seven Holan or even forty eight forty seven

794
00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:29,000
Speaker 1: Holloway doesn't mean that I don't agree that Max deserve

795
00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:31,200
Speaker 1: to have won there, So you always have to remember

796
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:32,839
Speaker 1: that in a great assult and how you judge these.

797
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:38,400
Speaker 1: But I think it'd be great for Max if Volkanowski

798
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:41,399
Speaker 1: did move up. It'd be even better if ya Ear

799
00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:43,160
Speaker 1: won the title and then he can fight him. But

800
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:47,600
Speaker 1: I think Max long term there there's potentially another title

801
00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:51,080
Speaker 1: run in their form. If Volkanowski leaves, and if Volkanowski

802
00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:53,000
Speaker 1: stays and if Max doesn't want to go to fifty five.

803
00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:55,080
Speaker 1: It would take a while, as we said, but I

804
00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:59,120
Speaker 1: think you know, even if Volkanowski stays that Max has

805
00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:00,839
Speaker 1: got to go to fifty five, whether that's big money

806
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:04,160
Speaker 1: fights against famous brawlers or that's going right directly in

807
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:06,520
Speaker 1: the title He's got a lot ahead of him. And

808
00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:08,960
Speaker 1: it's great to see because he's one of the greatest

809
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:15,400
Speaker 1: people in this sports history. His commitment to his craft unmatched,

810
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:18,160
Speaker 1: right unmatched. That's why you make those sort of snide

811
00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:20,759
Speaker 1: Jordan or Ali comparisons to some degree of sort of

812
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:24,520
Speaker 1: the reinventive process, that's what the all time greats do.

813
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:28,239
Speaker 1: Max Holloway, the all time freaking greats. I mean, good

814
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:30,960
Speaker 1: Lord and Arnold Allen. You'll be back. You're gonna have

815
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:32,560
Speaker 1: to go through a hammer to get there, but you'll

816
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:34,080
Speaker 1: be back, and we want to see you, by the way,

817
00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:37,560
Speaker 1: against all of those remaining hammers still in the title picture.

818
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:40,959
Speaker 1: Big part of that was Max's love for the game.

819
00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:44,960
Speaker 1: That's what allows him to reinvent and use the motivation

820
00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:47,080
Speaker 1: of you know, the media doubting him and all that,

821
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:51,239
Speaker 1: but you know who loves this game on an equally

822
00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:55,359
Speaker 1: scary level, and it it just makes me smile. How

823
00:40:55,360 --> 00:41:01,120
Speaker 1: about Edson Barbosa, how about that old dangerous just Brazilian

824
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:07,000
Speaker 1: battering ram uh Billy Q comaane event. Yeah, this was

825
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:08,680
Speaker 1: a fight where you had those questions because we saw

826
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:12,759
Speaker 1: Barbosa's on a decline. We saw what happens when you

827
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:15,080
Speaker 1: wrestle him, and Billy Q tried and you can wrestle

828
00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:17,920
Speaker 1: and control him at this point, and Barbosa has been

829
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:21,319
Speaker 1: through wars. But you talk about reinvention, not at the

830
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:23,759
Speaker 1: level of Max, but for what Barbosa was able to

831
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:27,440
Speaker 1: do to get in the sickest shape of his entire career,

832
00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:31,279
Speaker 1: a division down from his best at an age in

833
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:33,239
Speaker 1: his late thirties where where like, okay, you got a

834
00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:35,200
Speaker 1: couple more fun you know fights left, you'll be a

835
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:40,920
Speaker 1: knockout threat, go out there. Barbos has given everything he

836
00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:43,719
Speaker 1: has to this game to stay relevant and stay in

837
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:46,640
Speaker 1: this position, and it ended up paying off in this one.

838
00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:50,759
Speaker 1: And it was great to see. His body is a wonderland.

839
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:55,920
Speaker 1: I mean it's scary ripped, and yes, he's still in

840
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:58,040
Speaker 1: that mode of like, well, fuck around, you'll find out.

841
00:41:58,080 --> 00:42:00,200
Speaker 1: You will find out against Barbosa, I mean he's ude

842
00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:03,720
Speaker 1: right and Billy Ke unfortunately for him, squared up stayed

843
00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:07,080
Speaker 1: in range, was trying to be aggressive to mixed with

844
00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:08,759
Speaker 1: some smart idea. I love Billy Ky, I mean he's

845
00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:10,600
Speaker 1: my guy, right an MK guy. I love him, but

846
00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:12,920
Speaker 1: you know he walked into range and if you do

847
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:16,359
Speaker 1: that against Barbosa, you'll get handled. And that knee was brilliant.

848
00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:20,640
Speaker 1: But that speech Barbosa gave afterwards, that love he showed

849
00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:23,560
Speaker 1: to the Kansas City crowd, which I didn't love Kansas

850
00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:29,280
Speaker 1: City booing the Gutierrez Pedro Muno's fight, but they showed

851
00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:31,799
Speaker 1: out when it was necessary, you know, supporting Max and

852
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:35,040
Speaker 1: just being there for the big moments. When Barbosa just

853
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:38,680
Speaker 1: welcomed in the love from that Casey crowd, I mean,

854
00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:43,040
Speaker 1: it just shows you how much he loves this game.

855
00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:45,440
Speaker 1: And you have to love it to be around at

856
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:47,200
Speaker 1: that age and be at this level and all that

857
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:51,760
Speaker 1: is you know defaults, but he truly loves this game.

858
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:55,440
Speaker 1: Why do I always make that Jerry Rice comparison, Like,

859
00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:58,680
Speaker 1: there are greats who don't want you to ever see

860
00:42:58,719 --> 00:43:02,000
Speaker 1: them when they're not anymore. That's why it's rare when

861
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:04,120
Speaker 1: somebody walks away when they're in like their mid or

862
00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:05,960
Speaker 1: early thirties and goes you know what, you know, the

863
00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:08,880
Speaker 1: Rocky Marciano thing of like forty nine and oh and

864
00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:11,120
Speaker 1: I just had a close fight, But I'm not Don Walcutt,

865
00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:14,200
Speaker 1: and you know what, I'm gonna walk away. You're never

866
00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:17,480
Speaker 1: gonna see me bad come back, you know, get KO'ed,

867
00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:20,080
Speaker 1: come back when I shouldn't come back, you know. And

868
00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:22,280
Speaker 1: the people that are able to preserve that in boxing,

869
00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:26,359
Speaker 1: like Joe Kelzagi, you know, or or you know, even

870
00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:29,880
Speaker 1: in Mma Habibe, although there were different circumstances or that

871
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:32,799
Speaker 1: sort of early exit before it gets too late. We

872
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:36,800
Speaker 1: tend to really put a you know, a hero bubble

873
00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:38,719
Speaker 1: around that and be like, man, that's the right way

874
00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:40,279
Speaker 1: to do it. And to some degree it is. You know,

875
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:42,359
Speaker 1: it's that old adage in boxing. But what if Roy

876
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:45,399
Speaker 1: Jones had retired after he moved up to heavyweight and

877
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:49,360
Speaker 1: beat John Ruiz, Yeah, he would have been in contention

878
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:51,600
Speaker 1: for the pomp for pound greatest fighter of all time. Yeah,

879
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:54,000
Speaker 1: that's what would have happened. But you know, at that age,

880
00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:56,000
Speaker 1: in his early thirties, is he gonna do that with

881
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:57,279
Speaker 1: all the money left on the table? And I know

882
00:43:57,360 --> 00:44:00,319
Speaker 1: he's not right, He's not gonna do that in this

883
00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:03,880
Speaker 1: The flip side of that is the Jerry Rice thing,

884
00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:05,719
Speaker 1: when people hang on too long. Jerry Rice is the

885
00:44:05,719 --> 00:44:09,200
Speaker 1: greatest you know, touchdown score and wide receiver of all time,

886
00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:12,000
Speaker 1: but there's actually an argument that he's the greatest NFL

887
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:15,080
Speaker 1: player of all time, like the same thing with Lawrence Taylor,

888
00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:19,040
Speaker 1: even though that argument typically surrounds quarterbacks and running backs.

889
00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:24,680
Speaker 1: Jim Brown, you know, Walter Payton, Tom Brady, Joe Montana.

890
00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:26,040
Speaker 1: You know, those are the kind of guys that are

891
00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:28,000
Speaker 1: in that discussion normally. Well, Jerry Rice is also in

892
00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:31,120
Speaker 1: that discussion. Yet Jerry Rice had like forty three, was

893
00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:33,440
Speaker 1: still trying to hang on with the Denver Broncos as

894
00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:37,239
Speaker 1: like a third string receiver, and like they finally cut

895
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:40,440
Speaker 1: him in the preseason and we're like, dude, go home.

896
00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:42,960
Speaker 1: And you know, I remember at the time, maybe because

897
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:45,720
Speaker 1: Jerry Rice had that really comical haircut where he had

898
00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:49,520
Speaker 1: corn rows while going bald, So they didn't start here.

899
00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:51,480
Speaker 1: They started like up here, and it looked really bad

900
00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:53,000
Speaker 1: and it was easy to clown the old guy. But

901
00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:55,960
Speaker 1: I remember thinking, like, shouldn't they be better than this?

902
00:44:56,200 --> 00:44:58,719
Speaker 1: You know what I mean, Like, like don't slum dude,

903
00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:03,000
Speaker 1: your royalty. But I also think to some degree, as

904
00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:06,120
Speaker 1: long as somebody's not you know, putting themselves in physical

905
00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:09,839
Speaker 1: and mental danger long term, you have that respect for

906
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:13,560
Speaker 1: the competitor. Jerry Rice or people like him were so

907
00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:15,960
Speaker 1: great that they were able to get all these accolades

908
00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:18,560
Speaker 1: and championships and you know, MVP consideration and Greatest of

909
00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:22,000
Speaker 1: All Time consideration. But the fuel for that was always

910
00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:26,279
Speaker 1: the damn love of the game. When Barbosa just well,

911
00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:28,080
Speaker 1: you know, opens up to the crowd and it's like,

912
00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:29,440
Speaker 1: you know, I was in the best shape micro and

913
00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:32,280
Speaker 1: I'm even gonna come back even better shape next time.

914
00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:37,279
Speaker 1: You love to see it. I love how much Edson

915
00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:41,480
Speaker 1: Junior Barbosa loves this game still. I love that, and

916
00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:44,160
Speaker 1: that love of the game can become a negative when

917
00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:46,560
Speaker 1: somebody hangs on too late and takes too much damage.

918
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:51,120
Speaker 1: But we're not there with Barbosa, and he's still very viable,

919
00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:52,960
Speaker 1: as we saw with this knockout of Billy Q. And

920
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:55,040
Speaker 1: you know, it's a sort of a ceiling point right

921
00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:56,800
Speaker 1: now for Billy Q. There are some things he's certainly

922
00:45:56,800 --> 00:45:58,759
Speaker 1: got to work on, and he knows that the mix

923
00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:03,000
Speaker 1: between the aggressiveness while trying to remain technical, and he

924
00:46:03,080 --> 00:46:04,680
Speaker 1: needed to take that fight to the ground to have

925
00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:06,440
Speaker 1: big success because you don't want to be standing against

926
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:08,960
Speaker 1: Barbosa for too long. And you know, especially when when

927
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:10,359
Speaker 1: you squared up right there and he paid the price,

928
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:13,000
Speaker 1: He's going to grub, bounce and learn from that. But

929
00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:16,960
Speaker 1: Barbosa is that rare veteran who's you know, taking big beatings,

930
00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:20,000
Speaker 1: taking loss, has taken a lot of things. But it's like, man,

931
00:46:20,040 --> 00:46:21,880
Speaker 1: you're not kicking me. Not only are you not kicking

932
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:23,800
Speaker 1: me out of here, because I'm going to stay relevant,

933
00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:26,279
Speaker 1: but I'm going to find a way still to be

934
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:29,880
Speaker 1: the very best I can be, Like no stone's unturned.

935
00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:32,280
Speaker 1: I think Gilbert Burns did that to a certain degree,

936
00:46:32,520 --> 00:46:34,120
Speaker 1: and that's a big part of his sort of mid

937
00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:36,279
Speaker 1: thirties renaissance. Right now, You don't Glover to share it

938
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:39,719
Speaker 1: to some degree, right, you know, and in Glover's case,

939
00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:42,279
Speaker 1: simplifying his game and relying more on the on the

940
00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:44,600
Speaker 1: bread and butter of the takedowns and then the grappling

941
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:48,480
Speaker 1: and all that. But Barbosa has the kind of style

942
00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:50,640
Speaker 1: that was never fully going to age. Well, yes, the

943
00:46:50,719 --> 00:46:53,759
Speaker 1: power's there, but you know the setup. To get that

944
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:57,160
Speaker 1: power off, you need to be dynamically fast and quick,

945
00:46:57,200 --> 00:47:00,239
Speaker 1: and he's basically going, I'm not going to at the

946
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:03,000
Speaker 1: age stop that, I'm gonna work even harder. I got

947
00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:05,120
Speaker 1: a lot of respect for that, you know, I got

948
00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:07,200
Speaker 1: a lot of respect for that. I was great to see.

949
00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:11,280
Speaker 1: That really really made me smile. Also shout out Brandon Rouville,

950
00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:14,000
Speaker 1: who even Dana White said afterwards, we messed up that

951
00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:16,399
Speaker 1: I should have been on the main card. The old

952
00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:19,680
Speaker 1: raw Dog faced a tough out in Mittaus Nikolai, and

953
00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:21,560
Speaker 1: this was on the prelimbs, but it mattered in the

954
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:24,600
Speaker 1: overall flyweight title picture, and he caught him with a

955
00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:28,200
Speaker 1: great knee, you know, nasty like Barbosas was there against

956
00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:30,239
Speaker 1: the old Billy Q there. But how about three straight

957
00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:32,120
Speaker 1: wins for the raw Dog and we'd seen him lose

958
00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:34,840
Speaker 1: consecutive fights dating back to twenty twenty, first against Mareno

959
00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:37,240
Speaker 1: when he was stopped, and then he got submitted by Pantosia.

960
00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:38,680
Speaker 1: And by the way, it looks like those two that

961
00:47:38,719 --> 00:47:40,359
Speaker 1: beat him are going to be fighting next to the title,

962
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:43,080
Speaker 1: and that makes a lot of sense. But Royval has

963
00:47:43,160 --> 00:47:46,520
Speaker 1: had this run where by the way, He's also submitted

964
00:47:46,600 --> 00:47:49,200
Speaker 1: Kay car Franz and Tim Elliott before that. So he's

965
00:47:49,239 --> 00:47:52,120
Speaker 1: had this run where I think he's been too in

966
00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:55,120
Speaker 1: love with pushing the pace and being that guy to

967
00:47:55,160 --> 00:47:56,879
Speaker 1: the fans, and we've heard him at times in post

968
00:47:56,920 --> 00:47:58,320
Speaker 1: find interviews be like, you know, I should probably be

969
00:47:58,320 --> 00:48:00,840
Speaker 1: doing things a little differently, but you know my nickname

970
00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:02,840
Speaker 1: is the raw Dog. This is what I do. You know,

971
00:48:03,239 --> 00:48:06,040
Speaker 1: knock up checks right now, just kidding, this is what

972
00:48:06,120 --> 00:48:09,319
Speaker 1: I do. What he did here was score a third

973
00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:11,440
Speaker 1: straight win. I think he's starting to put it together

974
00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:12,840
Speaker 1: and it was a performance of the night. It was

975
00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:16,000
Speaker 1: a beautiful first round. Ko. But I've said it before.

976
00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:18,520
Speaker 1: I'll say it once more. Knew you, knew you would

977
00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:20,279
Speaker 1: make me feel so good. Want to do you right

978
00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:22,520
Speaker 1: right now. I'll tell you once more that Rible's gonna

979
00:48:22,520 --> 00:48:24,279
Speaker 1: fight for a title in this division and he's coming on.

980
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:27,640
Speaker 1: That was a that was a very very good win,

981
00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:31,000
Speaker 1: right there. Decent question here before we get off of

982
00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:33,399
Speaker 1: UFC Kansas City, because again this is a BC live

983
00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:36,120
Speaker 1: chat hybrid, so I'll be answering some questions later. Thank

984
00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:38,480
Speaker 1: you for submitting them on social media. I guess in

985
00:48:38,560 --> 00:48:40,799
Speaker 1: theory you could submit them now through this chat, if

986
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:43,759
Speaker 1: you could swim through the racism and misogyny, can we

987
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:46,120
Speaker 1: get a chat moderator here? But this is from eight

988
00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:50,719
Speaker 1: heavy limbs. What BMF fight can be made for Holloway

989
00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:54,760
Speaker 1: in the absence of him laying claim to undisputed gold,

990
00:48:55,080 --> 00:48:58,440
Speaker 1: Surely he is deserving of a non championship accolade of

991
00:48:58,440 --> 00:49:03,319
Speaker 1: that caliber. Basically, what BMF style fights would you make? Well,

992
00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:05,680
Speaker 1: the Connor money fight is a little different from BMF,

993
00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:08,560
Speaker 1: although you could still bastardize it under that that level

994
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:11,759
Speaker 1: just the same. I mentioned the DS right. Look, I

995
00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:15,200
Speaker 1: think you know when Nadas who's gonna fight? We're gonna

996
00:49:15,239 --> 00:49:17,440
Speaker 1: box Jake Paul and August holy Craft that came out

997
00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:19,520
Speaker 1: of nowhere when I was on vacation. You know, I

998
00:49:19,520 --> 00:49:21,680
Speaker 1: don't think he's done getting back in. And I think

999
00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:24,600
Speaker 1: the UFC purposely kind of I mean, I'd love to

1000
00:49:24,600 --> 00:49:27,560
Speaker 1: believe in the I'd love to believe in the conspiracy

1001
00:49:27,640 --> 00:49:30,160
Speaker 1: theory that UFC was like, hey, Hamza, just miss way

1002
00:49:30,239 --> 00:49:31,800
Speaker 1: by a lot, and then we'll switch the fight and

1003
00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:33,680
Speaker 1: they can go out happy, and then we'll get Nate

1004
00:49:33,719 --> 00:49:35,440
Speaker 1: back because we wanted to fight Connor a third time.

1005
00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:37,440
Speaker 1: Or whatever. I mean, I don't really believe that at

1006
00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:39,000
Speaker 1: the end of the day, but I like I like trying.

1007
00:49:39,120 --> 00:49:40,880
Speaker 1: I like trying that on. I like putting that hat on,

1008
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:42,920
Speaker 1: seeing how it fits. But the whole idea is there

1009
00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:45,680
Speaker 1: could Yeah, Nadeas is one right there. Now. I wouldn't

1010
00:49:45,719 --> 00:49:49,800
Speaker 1: want to see Max fight above lightweight, right maybe unless

1011
00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:51,719
Speaker 1: it was Connor if if that had to be that way,

1012
00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:55,840
Speaker 1: But no, he's got to fight somebody at lightweight. There's

1013
00:49:56,320 --> 00:50:00,000
Speaker 1: all those aging lightweights that make great fights right across

1014
00:50:00,239 --> 00:50:03,160
Speaker 1: the board, Gae Chee, Poorier. I know Max has lost

1015
00:50:03,160 --> 00:50:05,239
Speaker 1: twice to Poier, but the second one obviously was a

1016
00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:08,480
Speaker 1: was an all timer in a lot of ways. Yeah,

1017
00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:12,960
Speaker 1: that's where I think if Max, if Volkanowski doesn't leave

1018
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:16,319
Speaker 1: the division, and if there isn't an instant opening for

1019
00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:18,480
Speaker 1: the for the title there, I think these are the

1020
00:50:18,480 --> 00:50:20,160
Speaker 1: fights you're gonna make with Max. But you'd like to

1021
00:50:20,200 --> 00:50:22,759
Speaker 1: see him at lightweight. And I think his style, if

1022
00:50:22,760 --> 00:50:25,959
Speaker 1: he relies more on the style he employed against Alan

1023
00:50:26,040 --> 00:50:29,400
Speaker 1: here of hit and not get hit, that style could

1024
00:50:30,080 --> 00:50:32,880
Speaker 1: sustain itself well against aging brawlers if they wanted to

1025
00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:34,480
Speaker 1: bring back to BMF, which, by the way, I think

1026
00:50:34,520 --> 00:50:36,640
Speaker 1: they should. It was such a leap to ever do

1027
00:50:36,680 --> 00:50:40,239
Speaker 1: that the first time, so outside of the grounds of

1028
00:50:40,719 --> 00:50:42,640
Speaker 1: Dana White, you know, I know, I know now that

1029
00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:46,719
Speaker 1: WWE is a part of the larger endeavor portfolio now,

1030
00:50:46,719 --> 00:50:48,799
Speaker 1: but that's such like a WWE move and they did it,

1031
00:50:48,840 --> 00:50:50,239
Speaker 1: and they did it for the right fight and the

1032
00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:52,560
Speaker 1: right person at the right time. But I wouldn't I

1033
00:50:52,640 --> 00:50:54,560
Speaker 1: wouldn't hate a return to that. You've already done it.

1034
00:50:54,760 --> 00:50:57,200
Speaker 1: The belt's already been printed. Just do it, use it,

1035
00:50:57,280 --> 00:51:00,240
Speaker 1: make it an attraction. Yeah, Max could fit in there,

1036
00:51:00,440 --> 00:51:03,439
Speaker 1: but the thing is he could be now somebody who doesn't,

1037
00:51:03,520 --> 00:51:06,319
Speaker 1: who shouldn't rely on on the chin part of it

1038
00:51:06,520 --> 00:51:09,760
Speaker 1: and rely in, you know, more against these aging brawlers

1039
00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:11,640
Speaker 1: on the movement and the length and his ability to

1040
00:51:11,640 --> 00:51:14,840
Speaker 1: control distance. Telvin keep pop, but we love televin in

1041
00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:17,400
Speaker 1: these parts. Hawaii's owned with belt Er coming to Hawaii,

1042
00:51:17,400 --> 00:51:19,759
Speaker 1: any chance we get the MK show at the Lava Shack,

1043
00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:22,799
Speaker 1: I don't know. It's BJ fighting this weekend. I've never

1044
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:25,080
Speaker 1: been to Hawaii and it's such a bucket list it's,

1045
00:51:25,120 --> 00:51:26,920
Speaker 1: you know, opportunity one day for me to see the

1046
00:51:26,920 --> 00:51:29,200
Speaker 1: true beauty there. I won't be this time. But if

1047
00:51:29,320 --> 00:51:31,560
Speaker 1: MK was coming on, we'd be coming on at the

1048
00:51:31,640 --> 00:51:34,640
Speaker 1: Lava Shack Live show. Bring your friends, you know, free

1049
00:51:34,640 --> 00:51:36,960
Speaker 1: ice to don't tell dog the bounty under those right,

1050
00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:38,919
Speaker 1: and you know we shouldn't be joking about that either.

1051
00:51:39,120 --> 00:51:41,320
Speaker 1: All right, this is BC's live chat, so there's barely

1052
00:51:41,640 --> 00:51:44,560
Speaker 1: any rules to be fair with the whole. I got

1053
00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:46,839
Speaker 1: an important texts. Give me like one second think about

1054
00:51:47,800 --> 00:51:50,319
Speaker 1: whether or not this hat ages me or makes me

1055
00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:53,239
Speaker 1: look more mature. Talk about amongst yourselves for a second here,

1056
00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:57,360
Speaker 1: one second. Okay, yeah, we'll be right back. This is

1057
00:51:57,400 --> 00:52:05,319
Speaker 1: a commercial. Yeah, all right, all is well there, let's

1058
00:52:05,320 --> 00:52:08,480
Speaker 1: get back to the show. So that was UFC Kansas City.

1059
00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:12,320
Speaker 1: I know there was a bad scorecard in that first

1060
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Speaker 1: fight with the women. I didn't watch it, so I

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00:52:14,680 --> 00:52:17,560
Speaker 1: can't comment on that, but that's the situation. But the crowd,

1062
00:52:17,600 --> 00:52:21,040
Speaker 1: you know, should they have been booing munios versus good years? No,

1063
00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:23,440
Speaker 1: I mean it was, as the announcer said, it was

1064
00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:27,239
Speaker 1: a high pace, technical fight. And good lord, if you

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Speaker 1: guys can't see that at that point in the night

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00:52:29,600 --> 00:52:31,680
Speaker 1: and you just want like you know, I mean, you

1067
00:52:32,200 --> 00:52:34,240
Speaker 1: got what you asked for in the tanner Boster cute

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00:52:34,280 --> 00:52:36,000
Speaker 1: Laba fight, right, I mean, you got it, That's what

1069
00:52:36,040 --> 00:52:39,080
Speaker 1: you asked for. The whole came out right. That's fine,

1070
00:52:39,120 --> 00:52:41,480
Speaker 1: but you know, come on, I want a shout out

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Speaker 1: MK listener though Anthony Weller, he's a guitarist and a

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00:52:44,160 --> 00:52:47,680
Speaker 1: very good band called Head Change. He was in attends

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00:52:47,760 --> 00:52:49,440
Speaker 1: during case. He had a great time with members of

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00:52:49,480 --> 00:52:51,600
Speaker 1: the band, So shout out right there. Let's keep the

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Speaker 1: combat sports flowing here as we can continue on the

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Speaker 1: BC post vacation MK episode hybrid. Here, let's talk haveweight

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00:53:00,680 --> 00:53:03,680
Speaker 1: boxing for a second. I didn't think we'd be having

1078
00:53:03,680 --> 00:53:06,759
Speaker 1: this chat because on paper, this fight that went down

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00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:11,080
Speaker 1: in the UK last alurday, ESPN top rank there Joe Joyce,

1080
00:53:11,920 --> 00:53:16,480
Speaker 1: the juggernaut right was taken on much maligned at times

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00:53:16,640 --> 00:53:21,400
Speaker 1: six foot six Chinese Southpaul heavyweight big Bang Jiang Julai,

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00:53:21,560 --> 00:53:25,760
Speaker 1: big Bang Zang over there. It's technically for an interim

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00:53:26,440 --> 00:53:29,120
Speaker 1: WBO or whatever strap. The whole idea is that the

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00:53:29,160 --> 00:53:31,040
Speaker 1: winner here is going to be, you know, next in

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00:53:31,120 --> 00:53:34,000
Speaker 1: line for a big opportunity, big title shot or maybe

1086
00:53:34,400 --> 00:53:38,920
Speaker 1: come back in. Anthony Joshua all that this fight was

1087
00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:42,239
Speaker 1: shocking a play A minus eleven hundred betting favorite in

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00:53:42,320 --> 00:53:47,000
Speaker 1: Joe Joyce. But on paper, these are two heavyweights who

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00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:50,400
Speaker 1: have been Now. Look, much of the heavyweight division is

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00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:55,200
Speaker 1: frustrating regularly. There's two all time great heavyweights right now

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00:53:55,280 --> 00:53:58,919
Speaker 1: a top right, Fury and Usig, really all time great.

1092
00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:02,080
Speaker 1: And then there's like, you know, that second tier of

1093
00:54:02,239 --> 00:54:05,960
Speaker 1: really fun guys who had runs in big moments, Wilder, Anthony, Joshua.

1094
00:54:06,719 --> 00:54:10,080
Speaker 1: You know, Luis Ortiz had a minute Delian White. But

1095
00:54:10,280 --> 00:54:13,480
Speaker 1: you know, even with this renaissance era, heavyweight is always

1096
00:54:13,600 --> 00:54:16,759
Speaker 1: very shallow and narrow, or guys can be inconsistent or

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00:54:16,800 --> 00:54:19,000
Speaker 1: can be good for a bit, you know, all that stuff.

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00:54:19,360 --> 00:54:23,200
Speaker 1: Joe Joyce, the juggernaut, who was an aging prospect. When

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00:54:23,200 --> 00:54:26,480
Speaker 1: we first saw him, I thought, this guy's never gonna

1100
00:54:26,480 --> 00:54:31,160
Speaker 1: get there. He's older, he's slow as shit. But he

1101
00:54:31,280 --> 00:54:33,880
Speaker 1: put it together to score two big wins which turned

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Speaker 1: us around. In the most recent one when he stopped

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00:54:36,800 --> 00:54:40,040
Speaker 1: former champion Joseph Parker, was like, oh god, I was

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00:54:40,080 --> 00:54:42,040
Speaker 1: wrong about this obviously. The first one was the showdown

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00:54:42,040 --> 00:54:44,239
Speaker 1: against Daniel Dubois when they were both unbeaten. It was

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00:54:44,280 --> 00:54:46,520
Speaker 1: a big Britain. Let's see who the next great British

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00:54:46,520 --> 00:54:48,560
Speaker 1: heavyweight is and we remember what happened. It was like

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00:54:49,040 --> 00:54:51,680
Speaker 1: I broke. I mean, his face was like in his

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00:54:51,880 --> 00:54:54,359
Speaker 1: face was one leg kick from Gaigie away from being

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00:54:54,400 --> 00:54:57,080
Speaker 1: in peril, all right, And Joe Joyce stopped him late

1111
00:54:57,080 --> 00:55:00,200
Speaker 1: and won that fight and that was okay. When he

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00:55:00,280 --> 00:55:03,680
Speaker 1: knocked out Joe Parker was like, dude, if this guy

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00:55:03,719 --> 00:55:06,480
Speaker 1: decides to like step up the pressure as he did there,

1114
00:55:06,520 --> 00:55:08,759
Speaker 1: like man, he might be a problem. And suddenly he

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00:55:08,800 --> 00:55:11,239
Speaker 1: had Fury talking about wanting to fight him. Yet aj

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00:55:11,360 --> 00:55:14,640
Speaker 1: I mean, suddenly we're talking about Joe Joyce being a thing.

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00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:18,960
Speaker 1: Even though he's like thirty six and at times slow

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00:55:19,000 --> 00:55:24,040
Speaker 1: as shit, like molasses slow. He got the shit kicked

1119
00:55:24,040 --> 00:55:27,000
Speaker 1: out of him against plus six hundred underdog Jeong Jula

1120
00:55:28,360 --> 00:55:31,880
Speaker 1: and lost, took his first loss, but lost a ton

1121
00:55:32,160 --> 00:55:35,720
Speaker 1: of momentum considering had he won that he's probably fighting

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00:55:35,800 --> 00:55:38,799
Speaker 1: Joshua next or maybe even Fury because they can't make

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Speaker 1: the Usik fight right now. Although there's talk about some

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00:55:41,400 --> 00:55:43,719
Speaker 1: weird there's talk, and it's always Internet talk, but there's

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Speaker 1: talk that there's a lot of money in Saudi Arabia area,

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00:55:46,560 --> 00:55:48,799
Speaker 1: which we know is true, and the idea of some

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00:55:48,920 --> 00:55:52,200
Speaker 1: like final four doubleheader heavyweight thing going on that would

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Speaker 1: eventually lead to like Usik and Fury or Joshua whoever

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00:55:55,239 --> 00:55:58,040
Speaker 1: comes through there, or Wilder. It's an interesting idea, you know,

1130
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Speaker 1: see see me at the Brooklyn Bridge if whatever happens.

1131
00:56:00,719 --> 00:56:04,600
Speaker 1: But here's the deal. Joe Joyce was about to join

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00:56:04,600 --> 00:56:08,680
Speaker 1: that group. Instead he got stopped in five rounds by

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00:56:08,719 --> 00:56:11,879
Speaker 1: Bang bang Zang. What should we say about jong Zula?

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00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:14,080
Speaker 1: I've been following his quip forever. Man. Remember when he

1135
00:56:14,080 --> 00:56:19,640
Speaker 1: came from China, Dino Duva the promoter became his project.

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00:56:21,080 --> 00:56:24,279
Speaker 1: Jong Julai only had one defeat and a draw coming

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00:56:24,320 --> 00:56:26,719
Speaker 1: in here, and he's like thirty eight or thirty nine

1138
00:56:26,760 --> 00:56:32,800
Speaker 1: years old boh heavyweights age lay. But the biggest sticker

1139
00:56:32,840 --> 00:56:35,520
Speaker 1: on Jong Jula that gives you major pauses. The guy

1140
00:56:35,600 --> 00:56:39,520
Speaker 1: gases out all the damn time. He's got power early. Obviously,

1141
00:56:39,640 --> 00:56:42,239
Speaker 1: if you're a six with six south paw, that's hard

1142
00:56:42,280 --> 00:56:44,759
Speaker 1: to work with. He was a silver medallist at the

1143
00:56:44,760 --> 00:56:47,720
Speaker 1: AA Games in Beijing, so Joan Zulai can do some things,

1144
00:56:48,480 --> 00:56:51,680
Speaker 1: but he usually looks good in the opening rounds and

1145
00:56:51,760 --> 00:56:56,200
Speaker 1: then falls apart. Even when he wins. Do you remember

1146
00:56:56,200 --> 00:56:58,319
Speaker 1: that draw he had with Jerry Forest where he knocked

1147
00:56:58,360 --> 00:57:01,440
Speaker 1: forced down three times in the opening three rounds and

1148
00:57:01,520 --> 00:57:04,880
Speaker 1: then fell apart. Now it turns out he had kidney

1149
00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:08,000
Speaker 1: issues and damage, and it turns out he had extreme dehydration.

1150
00:57:08,080 --> 00:57:10,640
Speaker 1: And then we found out that BEng BEng Zeng basically

1151
00:57:10,640 --> 00:57:12,120
Speaker 1: was like, I don't even really drink that much water

1152
00:57:12,120 --> 00:57:14,239
Speaker 1: and training kept Dude, you gotta stay hydrid first of all.

1153
00:57:14,880 --> 00:57:17,280
Speaker 1: But that theme of him gassing late. Now he held

1154
00:57:17,320 --> 00:57:21,600
Speaker 1: on for a draw against Forrest there, but that theme

1155
00:57:22,040 --> 00:57:25,280
Speaker 1: followed him. So Zeng's last fight was his first defeat.

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00:57:25,280 --> 00:57:27,800
Speaker 1: It came against Philip Ergovich, and it allowed Ergovich to

1157
00:57:27,800 --> 00:57:29,920
Speaker 1: become the number one contender in the IBF. He is

1158
00:57:29,960 --> 00:57:33,120
Speaker 1: also in line for a big title opportunity. But Ergovich

1159
00:57:33,160 --> 00:57:35,640
Speaker 1: got dropped in the first round by Baijong, and you

1160
00:57:35,720 --> 00:57:38,200
Speaker 1: can argue that delay should have won that. His team

1161
00:57:38,320 --> 00:57:41,200
Speaker 1: argued at vehement ley. It goes to the scorecards and

1162
00:57:41,280 --> 00:57:44,520
Speaker 1: it's a close decision, but Ergovic gets the nod. But

1163
00:57:44,600 --> 00:57:46,760
Speaker 1: even though they have a case for arguing it, dude,

1164
00:57:46,760 --> 00:57:50,360
Speaker 1: he gassed out again in that fight. He never looked

1165
00:57:50,400 --> 00:57:53,280
Speaker 1: really bill, he had been pumped up with this unbeaten record.

1166
00:57:53,320 --> 00:57:55,360
Speaker 1: We'd seen him on like pay per view main cards,

1167
00:57:56,080 --> 00:58:00,560
Speaker 1: and we'd seen him against cab drivers that times, and

1168
00:58:00,600 --> 00:58:02,800
Speaker 1: he you know, he handles them. But there's always like,

1169
00:58:03,200 --> 00:58:05,160
Speaker 1: did I see something I should be afraid of? Yeah?

1170
00:58:05,240 --> 00:58:08,720
Speaker 1: You did in this fight, though I don't know if

1171
00:58:08,760 --> 00:58:11,760
Speaker 1: Joe Joyce didn't train. I want to say, you know,

1172
00:58:11,760 --> 00:58:13,480
Speaker 1: you always want to say when somebody has a performance

1173
00:58:13,480 --> 00:58:16,320
Speaker 1: that's so disastrous compared to the recent ones. I tried

1174
00:58:16,360 --> 00:58:18,120
Speaker 1: to do that with Max talking about the third Vulk fight,

1175
00:58:18,200 --> 00:58:20,439
Speaker 1: like did he you know, is it bad training camp?

1176
00:58:20,480 --> 00:58:22,960
Speaker 1: Was it injury? Whatever? I mean? In this case, you

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00:58:22,960 --> 00:58:25,160
Speaker 1: can't necessarily say that because Joe Joyce came in like

1178
00:58:25,200 --> 00:58:28,320
Speaker 1: a career firm weight in the mid two fifties, when

1179
00:58:28,360 --> 00:58:31,640
Speaker 1: normally he's in the two seventies. But he came in

1180
00:58:31,680 --> 00:58:35,560
Speaker 1: there with zero head movement and all of his punches

1181
00:58:35,600 --> 00:58:39,000
Speaker 1: were way slower than normal. So did he overtrain? I

1182
00:58:39,000 --> 00:58:41,200
Speaker 1: don't know? But what did songs? Will I do exactly

1183
00:58:41,240 --> 00:58:43,439
Speaker 1: what the things that he does that are good, which

1184
00:58:43,480 --> 00:58:45,720
Speaker 1: is the first three rounds he could light you up

1185
00:58:45,760 --> 00:58:48,200
Speaker 1: with that left cross, and when Joe Joyce was not moving,

1186
00:58:48,240 --> 00:58:50,360
Speaker 1: he just decided I'm going to square up and not

1187
00:58:50,520 --> 00:58:53,880
Speaker 1: move my head once in the fight. It became target practice. Now,

1188
00:58:53,920 --> 00:58:57,919
Speaker 1: shout out to Jong and his team, like they earned

1189
00:58:57,960 --> 00:59:01,120
Speaker 1: this a fifth round stoppage. They beat the crap out

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00:59:01,120 --> 00:59:04,520
Speaker 1: of Joe Joyce. But there's a lot of questions here

1191
00:59:04,560 --> 00:59:06,720
Speaker 1: about why Joyce was sort of in the bull's eye

1192
00:59:06,760 --> 00:59:09,000
Speaker 1: the whole fight, and you know, he just didn't have

1193
00:59:09,040 --> 00:59:13,760
Speaker 1: that same fervor, gas tank, that crispness that he had

1194
00:59:13,760 --> 00:59:15,920
Speaker 1: against Parker. Now, maybe it was he was rocked in

1195
00:59:15,960 --> 00:59:18,000
Speaker 1: the first round really badly. Maybe that just threw him

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00:59:18,000 --> 00:59:20,080
Speaker 1: off and we never got to see it. But the

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00:59:20,080 --> 00:59:21,800
Speaker 1: rest of the time it was target practice that led

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00:59:21,840 --> 00:59:24,760
Speaker 1: to the stoppage. So, look, there's a monster story in China.

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Speaker 1: This is a prospect that you know, a lot of

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00:59:26,560 --> 00:59:28,160
Speaker 1: money and time has been put into that. We didn't

1201
00:59:28,160 --> 00:59:29,520
Speaker 1: think it had ever turned out. Now he's on the

1202
00:59:29,600 --> 00:59:31,480
Speaker 1: verge of maybe turning it out. I mean, he could

1203
00:59:31,480 --> 00:59:34,400
Speaker 1: be fighting Anthony Joshua next. It's it's wild, but that

1204
00:59:34,560 --> 00:59:36,800
Speaker 1: was a big win over the weekend that that was

1205
00:59:36,840 --> 00:59:39,040
Speaker 1: an eye opener. Sometimes that happens in this game, and

1206
00:59:39,080 --> 00:59:42,040
Speaker 1: sometimes we see very elevated odds in boxing. To try

1207
00:59:42,040 --> 00:59:46,560
Speaker 1: to sway activity, and in this case they were very high.

1208
00:59:46,640 --> 00:59:51,000
Speaker 1: But Jeongsu Lay of China comes through in a monster way.

1209
00:59:51,040 --> 00:59:54,360
Speaker 1: I did not see it coming. Let's talk about what

1210
00:59:54,400 --> 00:59:58,000
Speaker 1: else we did not see coming? I mean, should we

1211
00:59:58,000 --> 01:00:04,680
Speaker 1: have seen it coming? Morning Combat For the second straight year,

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01:00:05,720 --> 01:00:08,480
Speaker 1: the sports podcast group, as you may know, have nominated us,

1213
01:00:08,480 --> 01:00:11,560
Speaker 1: had nominated us last year. They named US Best Combat

1214
01:00:11,640 --> 01:00:14,560
Speaker 1: Sports Podcasts because of you guys you voted. Then their

1215
01:00:14,640 --> 01:00:17,760
Speaker 1: panel of experts that are executives and some of the

1216
01:00:18,000 --> 01:00:21,200
Speaker 1: you know, top corporations and media conglomerates that you've all

1217
01:00:21,240 --> 01:00:23,680
Speaker 1: heard of, they voted us somehow the best sports podcast.

1218
01:00:23,760 --> 01:00:27,479
Speaker 1: Then we main invented their podcast festival in the UK,

1219
01:00:27,600 --> 01:00:30,400
Speaker 1: and you saw what happened. It was great. Well, they

1220
01:00:30,440 --> 01:00:33,160
Speaker 1: nominated us again this year for Combat sports, and we

1221
01:00:33,160 --> 01:00:35,640
Speaker 1: were up against again, like I was great to see.

1222
01:00:35,640 --> 01:00:38,240
Speaker 1: By the way, Inside Boxing Live Dan Canobio and Chris

1223
01:00:38,240 --> 01:00:40,040
Speaker 1: al Jerry is a very good podcast and they have

1224
01:00:40,120 --> 01:00:41,800
Speaker 1: me on and I love those guys. It was great

1225
01:00:41,800 --> 01:00:43,400
Speaker 1: to see them nominated too. But we were up against

1226
01:00:43,440 --> 01:00:45,920
Speaker 1: like Renee Young of the ww Renee Piquet in her

1227
01:00:45,960 --> 01:00:50,360
Speaker 1: podcast Ariel obviously some really good boxing Overseas podcast and

1228
01:00:50,400 --> 01:00:54,040
Speaker 1: when George Groves does. You never know. You never know

1229
01:00:54,080 --> 01:00:56,800
Speaker 1: what's gonna happen here. This is a fan vote one.

1230
01:00:56,800 --> 01:00:59,440
Speaker 1: We can't control it. I mean some people will argue that,

1231
01:00:59,520 --> 01:01:02,320
Speaker 1: you know, maybe the Sports Podcast Group can't control how

1232
01:01:02,360 --> 01:01:05,040
Speaker 1: the MK fans make fifty fake emails addresses and that's

1233
01:01:05,080 --> 01:01:07,560
Speaker 1: how they vote so much. I don't know how it happened,

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01:01:09,280 --> 01:01:12,080
Speaker 1: but I'm never gonna stop being humble and never gonna

1235
01:01:12,120 --> 01:01:15,600
Speaker 1: stop pressing pause and doing the Ferris Bueller and you know,

1236
01:01:15,760 --> 01:01:17,320
Speaker 1: looking around once in a while, so you don't miss

1237
01:01:17,360 --> 01:01:20,400
Speaker 1: it when these happened, because you never know. It's just

1238
01:01:20,440 --> 01:01:22,240
Speaker 1: like we're talking about the prime of a fighter or

1239
01:01:22,280 --> 01:01:24,479
Speaker 1: a rock band. You never know, dude, what's gonna happen.

1240
01:01:24,560 --> 01:01:27,520
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. Sometimes you give the best effort,

1241
01:01:27,600 --> 01:01:30,919
Speaker 1: but the results aren't there, or there's factors holding you back.

1242
01:01:32,000 --> 01:01:33,800
Speaker 1: But you saw it on social media. Over the weekend,

1243
01:01:33,800 --> 01:01:35,919
Speaker 1: Morning Combat for the second straight year, has been named

1244
01:01:35,920 --> 01:01:39,280
Speaker 1: the best Combat sports Podcast by the Sports Podcast Group.

1245
01:01:39,320 --> 01:01:41,280
Speaker 1: This now puts US in the running to potentially two

1246
01:01:41,360 --> 01:01:44,000
Speaker 1: years in a row win Best Sports Podcast, whatever that means.

1247
01:01:44,560 --> 01:01:47,680
Speaker 1: And obviously we're already smitten from being two time defending

1248
01:01:47,760 --> 01:01:52,160
Speaker 1: champions in the World MMA Awards voting of Best Combat

1249
01:01:52,280 --> 01:01:55,640
Speaker 1: or Best MMA Programming, which somehow we're beating UFC TV

1250
01:01:55,680 --> 01:02:00,240
Speaker 1: shows and stuff. First of all, thank you, like, like

1251
01:02:00,360 --> 01:02:03,760
Speaker 1: as Luke said in the Great MK documentary six like

1252
01:02:03,840 --> 01:02:06,320
Speaker 1: fucking thank you, fucking thank you, thank you. I mean,

1253
01:02:06,320 --> 01:02:09,600
Speaker 1: this is you guys, right, this is like you know,

1254
01:02:09,760 --> 01:02:12,280
Speaker 1: and people, you know, maybe maybe our fans scam the system,

1255
01:02:12,320 --> 01:02:15,800
Speaker 1: maybe they did, but you know what that shows. Our

1256
01:02:15,840 --> 01:02:18,600
Speaker 1: fans are crazy for this drug, right, you know what

1257
01:02:18,640 --> 01:02:21,400
Speaker 1: I mean the BDE Yeah, yeah, they want that injection

1258
01:02:21,520 --> 01:02:25,680
Speaker 1: every Monday, Wednesday and Friday. Right. They want something we

1259
01:02:25,800 --> 01:02:28,840
Speaker 1: used to say on the CBS Sports State of Combat podcast.

1260
01:02:29,000 --> 01:02:32,919
Speaker 1: They want that performance enhancing audio and they know where

1261
01:02:32,920 --> 01:02:38,640
Speaker 1: they want it injected. Right. Well yeah, well, you know, fans,

1262
01:02:40,000 --> 01:02:42,360
Speaker 1: if you want blood, you got it. Okay, you got it,

1263
01:02:42,440 --> 01:02:45,880
Speaker 1: you got it. You did it again, Thank you second

1264
01:02:45,880 --> 01:02:47,840
Speaker 1: straight year. You know, I never know what this means.

1265
01:02:47,840 --> 01:02:49,600
Speaker 1: I know what it means though figuring it out. What

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01:02:49,640 --> 01:02:51,480
Speaker 1: it really means is we have the best fans in

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01:02:51,520 --> 01:02:56,120
Speaker 1: all of this game. And it's it's not just these

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01:02:56,400 --> 01:02:59,800
Speaker 1: boring ass vanilla MMA only fans who came from Luke,

1269
01:02:59,840 --> 01:03:01,520
Speaker 1: and I want to hear any of BC's dad jokes

1270
01:03:01,520 --> 01:03:03,120
Speaker 1: and are basically like, Luke, if you're not breaking down

1271
01:03:03,120 --> 01:03:05,400
Speaker 1: every UFC fight from start to finish, I ain't listening.

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01:03:05,800 --> 01:03:07,600
Speaker 1: I love those people too. You can tune in too,

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01:03:07,840 --> 01:03:09,720
Speaker 1: because you know the journey. You're gonna hate BC at first,

1274
01:03:09,720 --> 01:03:11,480
Speaker 1: and you're gonna love him. Then you're gonna wonder if

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01:03:11,480 --> 01:03:12,840
Speaker 1: he's weird and I thought he was, and you're probably

1276
01:03:12,840 --> 01:03:15,040
Speaker 1: gonna hate him again. It's the cycle of life. That's fine.

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01:03:16,120 --> 01:03:20,680
Speaker 1: But we have this other population in this fan base

1278
01:03:20,680 --> 01:03:24,760
Speaker 1: of people who are like, this is a lifestyle. These

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01:03:24,800 --> 01:03:30,280
Speaker 1: are my dudes, and that's the greatest gift that this

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01:03:30,400 --> 01:03:33,640
Speaker 1: podcast has given me, and the g to be honest

1281
01:03:33,680 --> 01:03:35,680
Speaker 1: with you, the thing that I have focused on the

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01:03:35,720 --> 01:03:38,560
Speaker 1: most from the beginning, for whatever role I have in

1283
01:03:38,600 --> 01:03:41,560
Speaker 1: this larger MK picture and the things I can control,

1284
01:03:41,880 --> 01:03:45,760
Speaker 1: I have always wanted to create something that people are like,

1285
01:03:47,760 --> 01:03:50,240
Speaker 1: is it the best breakdowns of combat sports? I don't know.

1286
01:03:50,280 --> 01:03:52,760
Speaker 1: It may not be, but there's just something about this

1287
01:03:52,840 --> 01:03:55,240
Speaker 1: community and this feeling that I just want to keep

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01:03:55,280 --> 01:03:57,720
Speaker 1: coming back. You know. That's why I say those doncumentaries,

1289
01:03:57,720 --> 01:03:59,560
Speaker 1: Whether you watched him or not, And statistics tell you

1290
01:03:59,600 --> 01:04:02,120
Speaker 1: that you probably they didn't, based how we crap out

1291
01:04:02,120 --> 01:04:04,320
Speaker 1: about twenty four thousand on each of those docks. But

1292
01:04:04,840 --> 01:04:07,720
Speaker 1: you know, the docs aren't just about MMA and boxing

1293
01:04:07,760 --> 01:04:10,520
Speaker 1: and now there is MK. It's about the growth of

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01:04:10,560 --> 01:04:13,200
Speaker 1: men and it really is. It's about the life cycle

1295
01:04:13,240 --> 01:04:15,720
Speaker 1: that we all live through the lens of our combat

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01:04:15,760 --> 01:04:19,560
Speaker 1: sports fandom. We take it seriously, yes, the fights, but

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01:04:19,600 --> 01:04:22,480
Speaker 1: we don't take ourselves seriously. And you guys have just

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01:04:23,040 --> 01:04:25,640
Speaker 1: connected with that. We see it in fan subs on

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01:04:25,760 --> 01:04:28,600
Speaker 1: most Wednesdays, right, we see it dead wrong, We see it.

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01:04:29,280 --> 01:04:33,280
Speaker 1: And you know, I love this weird club, you know,

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01:04:33,480 --> 01:04:35,040
Speaker 1: I mean, you know what, you know what the cool

1302
01:04:35,120 --> 01:04:37,960
Speaker 1: dads did in my gross factory town growing up. They

1303
01:04:38,080 --> 01:04:40,400
Speaker 1: joined a club when they were adults, like the Polish

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01:04:40,400 --> 01:04:42,520
Speaker 1: Club or the Elks Club, you know, like the Post

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01:04:42,520 --> 01:04:45,640
Speaker 1: Falcons or the Hibernians, like all these you know, old

1306
01:04:45,640 --> 01:04:48,240
Speaker 1: guy clubs that sponsored all of our like little pal

1307
01:04:48,320 --> 01:04:51,120
Speaker 1: basketball teams. You know, the reality is these guys just

1308
01:04:51,160 --> 01:04:53,360
Speaker 1: hanging out at a bar drinking calling it a club. Right.

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01:04:53,400 --> 01:04:55,880
Speaker 1: I'm sure they did community service in the I'm sure

1310
01:04:55,920 --> 01:04:57,800
Speaker 1: there's a nice connect like the Rotary Club. You know,

1311
01:04:57,840 --> 01:05:01,720
Speaker 1: they plant the flowers, you know what I mean. But

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01:05:01,760 --> 01:05:03,600
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, they're there because it's

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01:05:03,600 --> 01:05:06,800
Speaker 1: a club of real talk like men do. And they

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01:05:06,800 --> 01:05:09,440
Speaker 1: got their own bar, and they're gonna play cards and

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01:05:09,560 --> 01:05:12,280
Speaker 1: you know, talk about the glory days. That's what the

1316
01:05:12,320 --> 01:05:15,000
Speaker 1: hell MK is. It's just it's disguised as sort of

1317
01:05:15,040 --> 01:05:17,800
Speaker 1: you know, come for Luke Thomas's insightful breakdowns. And oh,

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01:05:17,840 --> 01:05:21,440
Speaker 1: by the way, speaking of Luke Thomas's insightful breakdowns, his

1319
01:05:21,680 --> 01:05:25,200
Speaker 1: dissected on Giravante Tank Davis that launched yesterday that you

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01:05:25,200 --> 01:05:27,720
Speaker 1: can find right now at YouTube dot com slash Morning Combat.

1321
01:05:28,640 --> 01:05:30,480
Speaker 1: That that's the top shelf right there. You want to

1322
01:05:30,600 --> 01:05:32,240
Speaker 1: you want to see an inside breakdown of what that

1323
01:05:32,240 --> 01:05:34,640
Speaker 1: fight might look like. And all I see that. Okay, yeah,

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01:05:34,680 --> 01:05:39,080
Speaker 1: we give you that too. But we you know, we

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01:05:39,160 --> 01:05:42,880
Speaker 1: give you, we give you a we give you the

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01:05:42,880 --> 01:05:45,840
Speaker 1: Polish Falcons Club too, all right, or the Lithuanian Club

1327
01:05:45,840 --> 01:05:47,520
Speaker 1: if that's the thing, you know what I mean. So

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01:05:47,520 --> 01:05:50,920
Speaker 1: so come on in inject, I'll you know, see you,

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01:05:51,040 --> 01:05:53,120
Speaker 1: We'll see you. Thank you very much, seriously, thank you

1330
01:05:53,160 --> 01:05:56,200
Speaker 1: for voting for us, and thank you obviously as we

1331
01:05:56,200 --> 01:05:58,440
Speaker 1: always do shouting out the big guns at Showtime and

1332
01:05:58,520 --> 01:06:01,240
Speaker 1: CBS Sports and you know we work with Malca through Showtime.

1333
01:06:01,280 --> 01:06:02,760
Speaker 1: We love them and you know, I mean I could

1334
01:06:02,880 --> 01:06:05,680
Speaker 1: name from Brian Day to Matt Snyder Courtney mag and

1335
01:06:05,760 --> 01:06:08,800
Speaker 1: you know Jeff Gurtoule at CBS Sports Deals, other people

1336
01:06:08,800 --> 01:06:13,520
Speaker 1: from Showtime and Sam Potesha CBS W. I can name

1337
01:06:13,560 --> 01:06:16,280
Speaker 1: so many people, Eric Kay, But today I want to

1338
01:06:16,320 --> 01:06:18,800
Speaker 1: tell you this guy, Mikey Mormle on the Ones and Twoes.

1339
01:06:20,760 --> 01:06:23,000
Speaker 1: He bleeds for this thing, He lives for this show.

1340
01:06:23,800 --> 01:06:26,800
Speaker 1: You know, from an occupational standpoint, this is his lifestyle.

1341
01:06:26,920 --> 01:06:31,160
Speaker 1: And you, Mikey, this one's for you, buddy, You're you're

1342
01:06:31,840 --> 01:06:34,040
Speaker 1: you know they always say there's a you know, you

1343
01:06:34,080 --> 01:06:35,720
Speaker 1: can't see a great man with you know, there's always

1344
01:06:35,720 --> 01:06:37,320
Speaker 1: a great woman behind a great man. You know what

1345
01:06:37,360 --> 01:06:41,480
Speaker 1: I mean? There's also a great tall guy full of THHC.

1346
01:06:41,640 --> 01:06:43,560
Speaker 1: And his name is Mikey morms And we love your baby.

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01:06:43,560 --> 01:06:46,360
Speaker 1: Thank you very much, all right, BC, before we hit

1348
01:06:46,360 --> 01:06:50,880
Speaker 1: your questions. Is fresh off a vacation here? How was it?

1349
01:06:50,880 --> 01:06:52,240
Speaker 1: It was great? It may have been the best family

1350
01:06:52,320 --> 01:06:54,680
Speaker 1: vacation I ever had. I'm gonna be very honest with

1351
01:06:54,760 --> 01:06:58,200
Speaker 1: you in that regard. Where did I go? It was

1352
01:06:58,240 --> 01:07:00,960
Speaker 1: basically a journey from Denver to Salt Lake City over

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01:07:01,000 --> 01:07:04,400
Speaker 1: ten days. Visited my sister and her amazing family in

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01:07:04,400 --> 01:07:07,360
Speaker 1: Long Mount, Colorado, and a couple of you guys that

1355
01:07:07,400 --> 01:07:09,800
Speaker 1: were lucky enough to dial into the only pipes channel

1356
01:07:09,800 --> 01:07:13,439
Speaker 1: at cameo dot com slash Brian Campbell. We're able to get,

1357
01:07:13,520 --> 01:07:16,600
Speaker 1: you know, sort of live looks at the nature around me.

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01:07:16,800 --> 01:07:20,200
Speaker 1: This was one of those nature trips that just shoot

1359
01:07:20,240 --> 01:07:22,000
Speaker 1: you right in the old stick, right, you know what

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01:07:22,000 --> 01:07:25,120
Speaker 1: I mean. Thank you David Sandin, stay for BC all

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01:07:25,160 --> 01:07:27,280
Speaker 1: the way. And these weird donks, right, I mean, we

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01:07:27,320 --> 01:07:30,360
Speaker 1: got I mean, I mean you know, I mean we

1363
01:07:30,400 --> 01:07:32,520
Speaker 1: got japacats all over the place here on the MK

1364
01:07:32,600 --> 01:07:38,280
Speaker 1: and we love them. Okay, I'm I'm humbled by the mountains.

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01:07:38,360 --> 01:07:42,200
Speaker 1: I am humbled by you know, being in bowl walking

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01:07:42,240 --> 01:07:44,479
Speaker 1: to my sister's driveway in Long Mount, Colorado and seeing

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01:07:44,520 --> 01:07:46,560
Speaker 1: the fourteen ers out there covered in snow. I mean it.

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01:07:46,640 --> 01:07:48,800
Speaker 1: And you know, if you know, you know, it's just

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01:07:48,800 --> 01:07:50,440
Speaker 1: this is God's country, you know what I mean? This

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01:07:50,480 --> 01:07:53,800
Speaker 1: is this was a true artiste at work in doing that.

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01:07:54,520 --> 01:07:55,960
Speaker 1: But you know, I got the full gamut of the

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01:07:56,000 --> 01:07:59,600
Speaker 1: family fun. I got to go to Glenwood Springs in

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01:07:59,640 --> 01:08:01,400
Speaker 1: the middle of the Rockies and do the whole Hot

1374
01:08:01,440 --> 01:08:04,120
Speaker 1: Springs jam and do the Mountain Coaster and all that.

1375
01:08:04,280 --> 01:08:06,960
Speaker 1: And I tried to keep you guys along the journey

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01:08:07,000 --> 01:08:09,560
Speaker 1: on my Instagram as much as I could. Meaning, you know,

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01:08:09,600 --> 01:08:11,439
Speaker 1: my wife and kids are like, don't put me on there,

1378
01:08:11,440 --> 01:08:14,160
Speaker 1: all right, we don't watch your weird followers making weird

1379
01:08:14,200 --> 01:08:16,160
Speaker 1: comments at us, and you know that's their right, and

1380
01:08:16,200 --> 01:08:18,840
Speaker 1: they you know, that's probably a good choice. Family, Thank you.

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01:08:19,280 --> 01:08:21,520
Speaker 1: But you know, we had a great time. We then

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01:08:21,720 --> 01:08:24,160
Speaker 1: I got it. I love driving, you know. I mean,

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01:08:24,240 --> 01:08:26,760
Speaker 1: you know, my dad drove to Florida straight through with

1384
01:08:26,760 --> 01:08:28,360
Speaker 1: like you know, without a hotel room from Connecticut to

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01:08:28,400 --> 01:08:30,760
Speaker 1: Florida twenty one hours like many times in my youth.

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01:08:30,800 --> 01:08:33,080
Speaker 1: I did that drive once too, by the way, you know,

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01:08:33,200 --> 01:08:35,600
Speaker 1: I almost lost it in Jersey. It's not it's not recommended,

1388
01:08:35,640 --> 01:08:37,840
Speaker 1: but uh I you know, my dream is still to

1389
01:08:37,920 --> 01:08:41,479
Speaker 1: drive across this great nation. Uh you know, do that

1390
01:08:41,560 --> 01:08:44,640
Speaker 1: do that whole you know romantic idea of if it

1391
01:08:44,680 --> 01:08:46,479
Speaker 1: was like nineteen sixty seven and we all hopped in

1392
01:08:46,520 --> 01:08:49,080
Speaker 1: the back of a broken down convertible and put flowers

1393
01:08:49,080 --> 01:08:50,760
Speaker 1: in our hair and drove to San Francisco. Like I

1394
01:08:50,800 --> 01:08:52,720
Speaker 1: still have that dream, you know, the root sixty six thing.

1395
01:08:52,760 --> 01:08:57,680
Speaker 1: Everybody's got that just go west, young man. I got

1396
01:08:57,720 --> 01:09:00,880
Speaker 1: a chance to drive essentially for Denver to Salt Lake

1397
01:09:00,920 --> 01:09:03,080
Speaker 1: City over ten days, and you know, the changes in

1398
01:09:03,160 --> 01:09:05,960
Speaker 1: terrain and just getting a you know, pulling off at

1399
01:09:06,040 --> 01:09:08,599
Speaker 1: just ridiculous side towns, right because you know, I take

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01:09:08,640 --> 01:09:11,000
Speaker 1: for granted on this congested East Coast where you can't

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01:09:11,040 --> 01:09:13,880
Speaker 1: go five miles without entering into a new town center.

1402
01:09:14,400 --> 01:09:16,120
Speaker 1: You know, when you're out there in the West, and

1403
01:09:16,200 --> 01:09:19,000
Speaker 1: you know that's like one hundred and twenty miles between bathrooms, right,

1404
01:09:19,000 --> 01:09:20,519
Speaker 1: so you can end up like I did at a

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01:09:20,520 --> 01:09:25,080
Speaker 1: gas station in Parachute, Colorado, out out shot that Chinese

1406
01:09:25,200 --> 01:09:29,519
Speaker 1: place there. Look at gnarly they they got, they got,

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01:09:29,680 --> 01:09:32,000
Speaker 1: they got like three there's like five buildings in that town,

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01:09:32,040 --> 01:09:34,200
Speaker 1: and three of them are weed dispensaries, by the way.

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01:09:34,320 --> 01:09:36,080
Speaker 1: But you know, I went to the gas station there

1410
01:09:36,160 --> 01:09:37,880
Speaker 1: and I was like, I got to get something local

1411
01:09:37,920 --> 01:09:40,120
Speaker 1: and weird for my family. I don't know if this

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01:09:40,240 --> 01:09:42,920
Speaker 1: is a thing throughout the Southwest. There were. There was

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01:09:43,120 --> 01:09:45,719
Speaker 1: a whole stand of candy that were written in Spanish.

1414
01:09:45,760 --> 01:09:49,920
Speaker 1: I assume they're Mexican candy. Everyone had the same theme.

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01:09:49,960 --> 01:09:51,880
Speaker 1: They were like a regular piece of candy that I'm

1416
01:09:51,920 --> 01:09:54,760
Speaker 1: used to on an American level, but dipped in some

1417
01:09:54,880 --> 01:09:58,160
Speaker 1: form of ridiculous looking powder and I'm like, is that spices?

1418
01:09:58,200 --> 01:10:00,559
Speaker 1: What is that? So I ended up settling on these

1419
01:10:00,600 --> 01:10:03,160
Speaker 1: things that looked like thin fruit roll up. So it

1420
01:10:03,200 --> 01:10:07,040
Speaker 1: was a mango flavored in a watermelon flavor. You know,

1421
01:10:07,120 --> 01:10:09,160
Speaker 1: Dad comes back from getting gas getting the cary, kids,

1422
01:10:09,200 --> 01:10:11,160
Speaker 1: I got something new here. I'm like, kids, this is

1423
01:10:11,160 --> 01:10:12,800
Speaker 1: a little weird. It's all written in Spanish, you know,

1424
01:10:12,800 --> 01:10:15,280
Speaker 1: it must be like a local thing, the best thing

1425
01:10:15,320 --> 01:10:17,759
Speaker 1: I can say. And I took one bite and almost

1426
01:10:17,760 --> 01:10:19,679
Speaker 1: threw up, then took another one and then was like, wait,

1427
01:10:19,680 --> 01:10:21,479
Speaker 1: what's really in this? Took a third, then finally threw

1428
01:10:21,520 --> 01:10:25,080
Speaker 1: them all away. It's basically a fruit roll up that's

1429
01:10:25,120 --> 01:10:29,280
Speaker 1: been dipped into chili powder, an extreme amount of salt,

1430
01:10:29,439 --> 01:10:32,280
Speaker 1: in some other weird seasonings. And maybe that's how people

1431
01:10:32,320 --> 01:10:34,840
Speaker 1: get down over there. I mean, you know, I once

1432
01:10:34,920 --> 01:10:38,880
Speaker 1: bought a bud like Colamato, thinking people seem to like

1433
01:10:38,920 --> 01:10:40,880
Speaker 1: I'm not a bloody merry guy. Right, Can I get

1434
01:10:40,880 --> 01:10:43,800
Speaker 1: a steak sandwich and a bloody marry and a steak sandwich? Right?

1435
01:10:44,600 --> 01:10:47,120
Speaker 1: That's a great fledge joke. But you know the idea

1436
01:10:47,160 --> 01:10:49,479
Speaker 1: of putting like tomato juice in your beers just I mean,

1437
01:10:49,520 --> 01:10:51,800
Speaker 1: that's disgusting. I took one drink and wanted to, you know,

1438
01:10:51,960 --> 01:10:54,240
Speaker 1: put a put a coat hanger down my throat and

1439
01:10:54,240 --> 01:10:56,080
Speaker 1: pull up everything. I just ate. Right, don't try that

1440
01:10:56,120 --> 01:11:01,080
Speaker 1: at home, though, but maybe people eat can't that's been

1441
01:11:01,160 --> 01:11:07,160
Speaker 1: dipped into chili powder. But that's the grossest shit I

1442
01:11:07,200 --> 01:11:10,880
Speaker 1: ever saw. But the whole point is that's America. I mean,

1443
01:11:10,920 --> 01:11:13,479
Speaker 1: ain't that America? Right for you and me? You know,

1444
01:11:13,560 --> 01:11:15,920
Speaker 1: home of the Free baby? Right? There were no little

1445
01:11:15,920 --> 01:11:19,400
Speaker 1: pink houses in Parachute, Colorado. But you know driving through

1446
01:11:19,439 --> 01:11:22,439
Speaker 1: the rockies in Utah, you know, on the way into Provo,

1447
01:11:22,479 --> 01:11:24,920
Speaker 1: and you know there's eight thousand ft mountains covered in Stow.

1448
01:11:24,960 --> 01:11:27,559
Speaker 1: I mean, it was an experience. The Eisenhower Tunnel and Colorado.

1449
01:11:27,600 --> 01:11:30,240
Speaker 1: Shout out to Greg d mk listener truck driver who

1450
01:11:30,280 --> 01:11:32,960
Speaker 1: was delivering all that cores, not bud light, all that

1451
01:11:33,040 --> 01:11:36,920
Speaker 1: cores through there. There's some gnarly driving up there. I

1452
01:11:37,000 --> 01:11:40,639
Speaker 1: loved it. I loved it. The highlight of the trip,

1453
01:11:40,960 --> 01:11:45,840
Speaker 1: of course, was Greater Moeb. Moab's got the weirdest people ever.

1454
01:11:46,280 --> 01:11:47,960
Speaker 1: But I had never been in the state of Utah before,

1455
01:11:48,000 --> 01:11:51,000
Speaker 1: not even for a second. And my introduction was four

1456
01:11:51,080 --> 01:11:53,280
Speaker 1: days in Moab, which, of course is in a lot

1457
01:11:53,320 --> 01:11:56,320
Speaker 1: of ways the doorstep to the great national parks that

1458
01:11:56,320 --> 01:11:58,759
Speaker 1: are there if you've been there, you know, But Arches

1459
01:11:58,880 --> 01:12:05,160
Speaker 1: National Park, canyon Lands National Park, damn. And I'm a

1460
01:12:05,240 --> 01:12:07,880
Speaker 1: national park nerd, you know what I mean. I've I've

1461
01:12:07,880 --> 01:12:09,960
Speaker 1: been to uh, I guess I'd been to seven now

1462
01:12:10,000 --> 01:12:14,120
Speaker 1: official national parks. But I got every book. I'm a nerd.

1463
01:12:14,120 --> 01:12:16,400
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm a nerd. You know photography websites to

1464
01:12:16,400 --> 01:12:18,200
Speaker 1: see the show. I mean, I'm a you know, what's

1465
01:12:18,200 --> 01:12:21,280
Speaker 1: my one day I'm going to go to Glacier, going

1466
01:12:21,320 --> 01:12:23,400
Speaker 1: to the Sun Road in Montana one day, right. I

1467
01:12:23,400 --> 01:12:25,960
Speaker 1: want to see the Alaskan ones too. Maybe my guy Antoine,

1468
01:12:25,960 --> 01:12:28,000
Speaker 1: all six foot eight of him, that Frenchman could mk

1469
01:12:28,120 --> 01:12:33,080
Speaker 1: fan could be my god. But Arches is in canyon Lands.

1470
01:12:33,120 --> 01:12:36,320
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just it's canyon Lands as the island

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Speaker 1: in the sky district where you're basically on top of

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01:12:38,840 --> 01:12:44,200
Speaker 1: a plateau mountain and everywhere you look at snow covered mountains.

1473
01:12:44,200 --> 01:12:46,240
Speaker 1: But then you look down on the Cannon canyon below,

1474
01:12:46,280 --> 01:12:48,640
Speaker 1: and then there's canyons and sub canyons, and I mean

1475
01:12:48,680 --> 01:12:52,200
Speaker 1: it's it's just you. You know, you stop what you're

1476
01:12:52,240 --> 01:12:55,000
Speaker 1: doing and what you were thinking about, and reassess you.

1477
01:12:55,000 --> 01:12:57,719
Speaker 1: You know, how small you are and how how big

1478
01:12:57,760 --> 01:13:00,320
Speaker 1: this world is and how beautiful and which is my

1479
01:13:00,360 --> 01:13:02,679
Speaker 1: wife's trying to get these family vacations to start going

1480
01:13:02,680 --> 01:13:05,920
Speaker 1: overseas to like London in Scotland and Wales, right BC

1481
01:13:06,120 --> 01:13:09,200
Speaker 1: checking in with his people. There's so much of this

1482
01:13:09,360 --> 01:13:12,400
Speaker 1: damn great us o A that I still want to

1483
01:13:12,479 --> 01:13:16,280
Speaker 1: and need to see. So thank you Hu Moab and

1484
01:13:16,280 --> 01:13:19,120
Speaker 1: the great artists that just described the that that you know,

1485
01:13:19,160 --> 01:13:21,479
Speaker 1: put that together there. I mean, I just I'm humbled

1486
01:13:21,479 --> 01:13:24,720
Speaker 1: by that stuff. Had a nice, nice day in Salt

1487
01:13:24,800 --> 01:13:26,760
Speaker 1: Lake City just the same as well, a lot of

1488
01:13:26,760 --> 01:13:29,080
Speaker 1: Mormon stuff downtown apparently, you know, so a lot of

1489
01:13:29,120 --> 01:13:31,479
Speaker 1: seven foot white guys. I couldn't. I'm like, who's you know?

1490
01:13:31,800 --> 01:13:33,320
Speaker 1: Did you play for the jests? You might have played

1491
01:13:33,360 --> 01:13:34,719
Speaker 1: for the jests? You know what I mean, oh yeah,

1492
01:13:34,760 --> 01:13:38,320
Speaker 1: that's as possible. But uh, it was a great family

1493
01:13:38,400 --> 01:13:42,600
Speaker 1: trip all together. I know it's hard, you know. You know,

1494
01:13:42,600 --> 01:13:45,639
Speaker 1: I grew up living for Mike and the mad Dog, right.

1495
01:13:46,600 --> 01:13:48,679
Speaker 1: I hated when they were alone. And I know people

1496
01:13:48,720 --> 01:13:51,200
Speaker 1: hate even though we've got great filling people in the

1497
01:13:51,200 --> 01:13:53,800
Speaker 1: extended MK universe, not just the Chuck Minden Halls and

1498
01:13:53,800 --> 01:13:56,320
Speaker 1: the Rashad evans Is, but you know, Aaron Bronstead of

1499
01:13:56,360 --> 01:13:59,960
Speaker 1: thank you, Shaq Majorie, thank you. But I know you

1500
01:14:00,120 --> 01:14:02,800
Speaker 1: guys like I hate it when these guys are apart. Hey,

1501
01:14:02,800 --> 01:14:05,200
Speaker 1: we got to live our lives too, all right, all right,

1502
01:14:05,720 --> 01:14:08,040
Speaker 1: we got to live our lives too. That's what it is, Okay,

1503
01:14:08,160 --> 01:14:09,880
Speaker 1: and my family and I we had a great time.

1504
01:14:09,920 --> 01:14:12,000
Speaker 1: So thank you for the love on that one. Let's

1505
01:14:12,040 --> 01:14:16,320
Speaker 1: get into the live chat portion of this show. I

1506
01:14:16,360 --> 01:14:18,200
Speaker 1: got a couple, I got a bunch of questions that

1507
01:14:18,240 --> 01:14:21,599
Speaker 1: were put together by Mikey Morms. Here. Then I'm gonna

1508
01:14:21,600 --> 01:14:23,439
Speaker 1: get to if I can find the email, I'll find

1509
01:14:23,439 --> 01:14:24,800
Speaker 1: it soon. All right, Here we go, Here we go.

1510
01:14:25,240 --> 01:14:27,960
Speaker 1: This is from you, the people. You want a live

1511
01:14:28,040 --> 01:14:29,519
Speaker 1: What do you got? We want a life advice? Who

1512
01:14:29,520 --> 01:14:30,960
Speaker 1: am I? Right? Well? If you want it, I'll give

1513
01:14:30,960 --> 01:14:32,920
Speaker 1: it to you. How about this from C Minish? Is

1514
01:14:32,960 --> 01:14:36,360
Speaker 1: this a trap? Is this Corey Minici, our great morning

1515
01:14:36,400 --> 01:14:40,360
Speaker 1: combat producer Malca fame. By the way, he's a He's

1516
01:14:40,400 --> 01:14:42,720
Speaker 1: a fantastic artist. He's a white guy with soul. You

1517
01:14:42,760 --> 01:14:45,639
Speaker 1: want to check out Lonely Angelus from Miniche on on

1518
01:14:45,640 --> 01:14:48,599
Speaker 1: on the internet. Check that out? Okay, my guy Miniche

1519
01:14:48,600 --> 01:14:52,120
Speaker 1: gets after it right like chin Yeah. Maniche says what's

1520
01:14:52,120 --> 01:14:55,040
Speaker 1: the over under on Irish Exits BC will hit this

1521
01:14:55,080 --> 01:14:58,439
Speaker 1: week in Vegas. Luke also sending me these TikTok memes

1522
01:14:58,479 --> 01:15:01,760
Speaker 1: about IRIS exits and painting it on me. Guys, I

1523
01:15:01,800 --> 01:15:04,439
Speaker 1: would never be that rude. You know who knows the

1524
01:15:04,520 --> 01:15:07,519
Speaker 1: master at the Irish Exit, Rave Bartholomew, a great boxing

1525
01:15:07,560 --> 01:15:10,360
Speaker 1: scribe and one of my best friends in this world.

1526
01:15:11,280 --> 01:15:15,640
Speaker 1: That would be rude. I don't Irish exit, okay, I

1527
01:15:15,760 --> 01:15:19,040
Speaker 1: do it the polite and classy way. I Lithuanian exit,

1528
01:15:19,320 --> 01:15:21,400
Speaker 1: which is I tell you to your face how good

1529
01:15:21,400 --> 01:15:23,280
Speaker 1: of a time I've had, and you know all that.

1530
01:15:23,320 --> 01:15:26,320
Speaker 1: But hey, I got to check out early. It's not you,

1531
01:15:27,280 --> 01:15:30,719
Speaker 1: it's me all right on the road. I found out

1532
01:15:30,760 --> 01:15:34,080
Speaker 1: on the road, of course, in my early thirties when

1533
01:15:34,120 --> 01:15:36,439
Speaker 1: I first got a taste of like Vegas fight weeks,

1534
01:15:36,439 --> 01:15:38,680
Speaker 1: you know, and I'm suddenly the dad at home. But

1535
01:15:38,760 --> 01:15:40,400
Speaker 1: there I'm like, you know, let's go off for some beers.

1536
01:15:40,479 --> 01:15:42,000
Speaker 1: Let's you know, let's live it up. And you know,

1537
01:15:42,040 --> 01:15:44,880
Speaker 1: and I've had vicious hangovers on Mayweather pay per view

1538
01:15:44,920 --> 01:15:48,840
Speaker 1: fight days. I'm old now, I'm forty four years old, okay,

1539
01:15:49,439 --> 01:15:51,280
Speaker 1: And you know, I protect my mental health a lot

1540
01:15:51,320 --> 01:15:52,840
Speaker 1: on the road, and I've grown to learn that that's

1541
01:15:52,840 --> 01:15:54,559
Speaker 1: what I have to do because you know, I miss

1542
01:15:54,680 --> 01:15:58,720
Speaker 1: my wife, kids, dogs, cats extensively. You know, I go

1543
01:15:58,800 --> 01:16:01,160
Speaker 1: to the movies. I take time to myself. You know,

1544
01:16:01,200 --> 01:16:03,400
Speaker 1: I sit and you know, you know there's the eighth

1545
01:16:03,439 --> 01:16:06,040
Speaker 1: row sometimes too. You know, I do. I do things

1546
01:16:06,040 --> 01:16:08,000
Speaker 1: to protect that looks. Let's hang up, bro, I'm not

1547
01:16:08,040 --> 01:16:09,360
Speaker 1: hanging out with us. Hung out with you on the

1548
01:16:09,400 --> 01:16:11,439
Speaker 1: show for two hours. What do you think this is?

1549
01:16:11,520 --> 01:16:14,479
Speaker 1: MK social club? We already did the Polish Falcons Club,

1550
01:16:14,479 --> 01:16:17,519
Speaker 1: all right, right, everybody was there, Jay Bikatu, how about it?

1551
01:16:17,680 --> 01:16:19,600
Speaker 1: I was your Columbian hot dog look good? You know

1552
01:16:20,200 --> 01:16:22,280
Speaker 1: the other guy had Columbian hot dogs too on Twitter?

1553
01:16:22,320 --> 01:16:24,080
Speaker 1: That looked good. As well. Was that average Joe? I

1554
01:16:24,080 --> 01:16:29,880
Speaker 1: forgot your name? All right. The whole point is when

1555
01:16:29,920 --> 01:16:32,000
Speaker 1: you gotta go, you gotta go. And I'm not talking

1556
01:16:32,000 --> 01:16:35,720
Speaker 1: about dropping the deuce. I'm talking about Lithuanian exits. So

1557
01:16:35,760 --> 01:16:38,679
Speaker 1: Minietsche is mad because this is a true story. All right.

1558
01:16:39,800 --> 01:16:43,240
Speaker 1: A couple of fights ago, two years ago whatever. I'm

1559
01:16:43,280 --> 01:16:46,800
Speaker 1: in Vegas for a fight. Miniach and the Macha crew

1560
01:16:46,800 --> 01:16:50,040
Speaker 1: are there, and it's like a ten o'clock and we're

1561
01:16:50,080 --> 01:16:53,519
Speaker 1: walking around the New York, New York. Mike's telling me

1562
01:16:53,560 --> 01:16:56,599
Speaker 1: it's two international fight weeks ago, so what's that two

1563
01:16:56,680 --> 01:16:59,720
Speaker 1: years ago? It was that who fought that year? I

1564
01:16:59,720 --> 01:17:04,360
Speaker 1: don't know, was that Yo Wanna and uh uh and

1565
01:17:05,040 --> 01:17:08,439
Speaker 1: Wayley Connor dustin three. I'm being told, yes, you're right,

1566
01:17:08,439 --> 01:17:10,840
Speaker 1: we did the live show. So it's like we're staying

1567
01:17:10,840 --> 01:17:12,600
Speaker 1: in the New York, New York, which is you know this,

1568
01:17:13,840 --> 01:17:16,040
Speaker 1: it's the worst because the rooms are like twenty five

1569
01:17:16,120 --> 01:17:20,479
Speaker 1: years outdated. But I like the New York New York restaurant, casino,

1570
01:17:20,600 --> 01:17:22,760
Speaker 1: sports book scene. I like it a lot of times.

1571
01:17:22,760 --> 01:17:24,960
Speaker 1: It's a cut through if you're coming from the arena,

1572
01:17:25,000 --> 01:17:26,800
Speaker 1: but you're staying in the MGM grand and you don't

1573
01:17:26,800 --> 01:17:27,960
Speaker 1: want to be out there in the summer in one

1574
01:17:28,000 --> 01:17:30,439
Speaker 1: hundred and seventeen degree days in the center of hell. Right,

1575
01:17:31,360 --> 01:17:33,400
Speaker 1: But I was in the New York, New York and

1576
01:17:33,760 --> 01:17:36,360
Speaker 1: you know Mnietchen, the Iranta, Meniciaen, the p dudes, the

1577
01:17:36,400 --> 01:17:38,200
Speaker 1: camera guys, that producer. I think like Tristan was there

1578
01:17:38,240 --> 01:17:40,920
Speaker 1: with all his animal tats. His animal tats weren't there yet,

1579
01:17:40,920 --> 01:17:42,240
Speaker 1: but he's probably thinking in his hed. If I put

1580
01:17:42,240 --> 01:17:44,680
Speaker 1: a raccoon here and I connected here and I was

1581
01:17:44,720 --> 01:17:46,360
Speaker 1: like you they were like, yo, we should get some food.

1582
01:17:46,400 --> 01:17:48,400
Speaker 1: I'm like, you know what, let's do that. And then

1583
01:17:48,400 --> 01:17:49,920
Speaker 1: it was me who was like, yo, we should go

1584
01:17:49,960 --> 01:17:52,800
Speaker 1: to this Italian restaurant right here. I've been here before.

1585
01:17:52,800 --> 01:17:56,880
Speaker 1: It was good. Well here's what happened. You know, BC

1586
01:17:57,000 --> 01:17:59,560
Speaker 1: can turn into a pumpkin. You know, you know I

1587
01:17:59,600 --> 01:18:01,880
Speaker 1: would say, Luke, it's not you know, it doesn't take

1588
01:18:01,960 --> 01:18:04,439
Speaker 1: long for Luke toag like an absolute bitch, even though

1589
01:18:04,439 --> 01:18:06,200
Speaker 1: we love him, right, he can go from zero to

1590
01:18:06,240 --> 01:18:09,600
Speaker 1: being like whoa bro? Right, I had him, you know,

1591
01:18:09,600 --> 01:18:11,439
Speaker 1: I had my I must have had my man period

1592
01:18:11,479 --> 01:18:13,599
Speaker 1: that night, because you know, we're sitting down, it's getting tired.

1593
01:18:13,640 --> 01:18:15,200
Speaker 1: I'm like, you know, I gotta be up early tomorrow

1594
01:18:15,240 --> 01:18:17,400
Speaker 1: for MK. I got a store. I got a big

1595
01:18:17,439 --> 01:18:21,200
Speaker 1: feature do on that fight. I was turned into a pumpkin.

1596
01:18:21,240 --> 01:18:23,120
Speaker 1: So the waitress brings us water and you know, the

1597
01:18:23,160 --> 01:18:26,360
Speaker 1: menus around and I go, you know, manich and fellas,

1598
01:18:28,160 --> 01:18:31,520
Speaker 1: it's not me, it's not you, right, it's me. I'm Lithuanian.

1599
01:18:31,840 --> 01:18:33,519
Speaker 1: And rather than just duck out of here, I gotta

1600
01:18:33,520 --> 01:18:36,400
Speaker 1: tell you, guys, I shouldn't be eating this stuff. And

1601
01:18:36,439 --> 01:18:39,000
Speaker 1: that was the truth. That was like three months into

1602
01:18:39,000 --> 01:18:41,240
Speaker 1: the BC needs to fix his liver or he's gonna die,

1603
01:18:41,280 --> 01:18:43,479
Speaker 1: which is still a work in prospresss progress, right I'm

1604
01:18:43,479 --> 01:18:47,920
Speaker 1: working on it. I was like, I can't eat this

1605
01:18:47,960 --> 01:18:51,280
Speaker 1: stuff right now. It's like ten thirty, dude, I gotta

1606
01:18:50,960 --> 01:18:52,800
Speaker 1: I gotta go to you know, And I'm like, I'm

1607
01:18:52,800 --> 01:18:54,479
Speaker 1: so sorry, guys. I know I made you come here,

1608
01:18:55,439 --> 01:18:57,680
Speaker 1: but let's do this the Lithuanian way. I had a

1609
01:18:57,720 --> 01:19:00,200
Speaker 1: great time with you. I gotta go though, all right,

1610
01:19:00,240 --> 01:19:01,880
Speaker 1: I'll see you guys in the morning. You guys are

1611
01:19:02,000 --> 01:19:04,040
Speaker 1: much younger than me. Go out, have a great time.

1612
01:19:04,160 --> 01:19:08,479
Speaker 1: You know. I live it up, dude. You know, there

1613
01:19:08,479 --> 01:19:10,360
Speaker 1: may have been you may you know, I may have

1614
01:19:10,360 --> 01:19:12,080
Speaker 1: been sitting Row eight at that time, you know what

1615
01:19:12,120 --> 01:19:14,000
Speaker 1: I mean. What happened was I got back to the room,

1616
01:19:15,479 --> 01:19:18,880
Speaker 1: I went to sleep for the night. But then I

1617
01:19:18,920 --> 01:19:22,920
Speaker 1: woke up at like twelve twenty five am, and I

1618
01:19:22,960 --> 01:19:26,439
Speaker 1: was like, you know, I can't be eating fast food

1619
01:19:26,840 --> 01:19:31,720
Speaker 1: or beef or pork anymore because of my liver. But

1620
01:19:31,840 --> 01:19:34,400
Speaker 1: you know what, I'm hungry as balls and I'm a man,

1621
01:19:35,360 --> 01:19:37,280
Speaker 1: and I bet you there's a pizza slice out there

1622
01:19:37,320 --> 01:19:39,120
Speaker 1: that could fit right in this crevice right here and

1623
01:19:39,120 --> 01:19:43,400
Speaker 1: not ruin my weekend. Okay, So I got up out

1624
01:19:43,439 --> 01:19:45,680
Speaker 1: of that bed, and I admit I went and got

1625
01:19:45,680 --> 01:19:47,920
Speaker 1: two slices of pizza. But what happened was then I

1626
01:19:48,000 --> 01:19:50,960
Speaker 1: ran into that same group of dudes with Minietsch at

1627
01:19:51,000 --> 01:19:53,720
Speaker 1: like twelve forty five on the casino floor and they're like,

1628
01:19:55,320 --> 01:19:57,680
Speaker 1: you know, I broke their heart and I know I did, right,

1629
01:19:57,760 --> 01:19:59,559
Speaker 1: They're like, yo, like, so they thought that I just

1630
01:19:59,600 --> 01:20:02,400
Speaker 1: blew that off to go do better things. No, guys,

1631
01:20:02,400 --> 01:20:05,320
Speaker 1: I blew you off to go to sleep. And then

1632
01:20:05,560 --> 01:20:07,840
Speaker 1: you know, the indulgence was knocking on my door, and

1633
01:20:07,920 --> 01:20:09,280
Speaker 1: you know, and it's like, you know, a lot of

1634
01:20:09,320 --> 01:20:11,880
Speaker 1: sins chasing you in Vegas. Luckily I stick with the

1635
01:20:11,920 --> 01:20:18,120
Speaker 1: pizza only. I mean, can we put some respect on

1636
01:20:18,120 --> 01:20:20,920
Speaker 1: the Lithuanian exit. It's polite, it's up front. So I

1637
01:20:20,960 --> 01:20:24,400
Speaker 1: know that looked bad, beniatch, but that was the true story.

1638
01:20:24,560 --> 01:20:27,799
Speaker 1: All right, all right, BC cares you know this? Okay,

1639
01:20:28,040 --> 01:20:30,280
Speaker 1: let's continue on with the fan questions here. Let's go

1640
01:20:30,400 --> 01:20:36,320
Speaker 1: to uh n y E Oakley. That's my wife's talk,

1641
01:20:36,400 --> 01:20:40,720
Speaker 1: Sasha barking. If you hear that, I'm sorry, yeah, keep yeah,

1642
01:20:40,800 --> 01:20:43,800
Speaker 1: it's the mailman. He's here every day. If John Jones

1643
01:20:43,840 --> 01:20:46,080
Speaker 1: does retire after the Stepe fight, who do you believe

1644
01:20:46,120 --> 01:20:49,559
Speaker 1: will be the next heavyweight champion. I don't think John

1645
01:20:49,600 --> 01:20:51,559
Speaker 1: Jones can retire. I've had this debate with you people

1646
01:20:51,600 --> 01:20:54,360
Speaker 1: and Luke publicly. I think John Jones is gonna keep

1647
01:20:54,360 --> 01:20:57,240
Speaker 1: winning and defending the heavyweight title and realize, like I'm

1648
01:20:57,280 --> 01:21:00,439
Speaker 1: making a lot of money this staying busy. He keeps

1649
01:21:00,439 --> 01:21:04,360
Speaker 1: me out of trouble and I'm great and I love

1650
01:21:04,400 --> 01:21:06,280
Speaker 1: being great, so I think he's gonna stay with it.

1651
01:21:06,320 --> 01:21:09,639
Speaker 1: But it looked like Dana said the postfight press conference,

1652
01:21:09,680 --> 01:21:12,240
Speaker 1: as much as I want this year's IFW which I

1653
01:21:12,280 --> 01:21:15,000
Speaker 1: think is Yaira versus Volkanovski right as much as I

1654
01:21:15,000 --> 01:21:17,720
Speaker 1: want John versus Steepe. And even if Luke doesn't love

1655
01:21:17,760 --> 01:21:19,439
Speaker 1: this fight, I love it. I love what it means,

1656
01:21:19,280 --> 01:21:21,360
Speaker 1: it's history. I love it. I do love it. I

1657
01:21:21,400 --> 01:21:24,120
Speaker 1: do love it. I want Francis obviously, but you know

1658
01:21:24,200 --> 01:21:26,680
Speaker 1: Data said we'll never work with Francis again now right

1659
01:21:27,040 --> 01:21:31,880
Speaker 1: right because he broke up with us, right that they're

1660
01:21:31,920 --> 01:21:34,680
Speaker 1: gonna do that Madison Square Garden. That that fight has

1661
01:21:34,760 --> 01:21:37,200
Speaker 1: the historical fitting where Madison Square Garden makes a lot

1662
01:21:37,240 --> 01:21:39,320
Speaker 1: of sense. So I'm not mad at that this fall

1663
01:21:39,320 --> 01:21:44,880
Speaker 1: probably November. But if John did retire, I think we

1664
01:21:44,920 --> 01:21:47,360
Speaker 1: originally would have said Cyril Gone would be ready, because

1665
01:21:47,360 --> 01:21:48,960
Speaker 1: we thought he was of this ilk and ready. But

1666
01:21:48,960 --> 01:21:51,559
Speaker 1: Cyril Gon just shout his pants against John Jones. He

1667
01:21:51,600 --> 01:21:54,360
Speaker 1: fell into the trap of John's greatness, and he apparently

1668
01:21:54,360 --> 01:21:56,840
Speaker 1: didn't work on his wrestling at all from the Angano fight,

1669
01:21:56,880 --> 01:21:59,160
Speaker 1: and that's where we were right there. So who is

1670
01:21:59,240 --> 01:22:02,880
Speaker 1: the future of this division. It might be Sergey Pavlovitch.

1671
01:22:03,040 --> 01:22:04,760
Speaker 1: I mean this Saturday, we're gonna find out when he

1672
01:22:04,800 --> 01:22:10,360
Speaker 1: fights Curtis Blades. But he packaged together two very impressive

1673
01:22:10,400 --> 01:22:15,240
Speaker 1: knockout wins against sub elite guys. That is opening our

1674
01:22:15,280 --> 01:22:18,360
Speaker 1: eyes to who he could actually be. I know he's

1675
01:22:18,400 --> 01:22:21,559
Speaker 1: been stopped early in his UFC run by Overim, and

1676
01:22:21,600 --> 01:22:23,680
Speaker 1: I know that there's still so much we don't know

1677
01:22:23,760 --> 01:22:26,720
Speaker 1: about this thirty year old Russian. But this dude has

1678
01:22:26,760 --> 01:22:29,960
Speaker 1: a stupid long reach. He's six foot three, and he's

1679
01:22:30,040 --> 01:22:33,160
Speaker 1: knocked five consecutive guys out in the first round since

1680
01:22:33,200 --> 01:22:36,639
Speaker 1: that Overream fight. I don't, you know, lose my lunch

1681
01:22:36,680 --> 01:22:41,799
Speaker 1: over knocking out Marcelo Gome or the crochet guy Maurice

1682
01:22:41,800 --> 01:22:46,479
Speaker 1: Screen or even Shamil Abdurakimov. But you know, yeah, and

1683
01:22:46,520 --> 01:22:48,360
Speaker 1: even the Derek Lewis fight had a weird, kind of

1684
01:22:48,360 --> 01:22:51,479
Speaker 1: wonky ending, but he stopped Lewis in fifty five seconds,

1685
01:22:51,560 --> 01:22:53,920
Speaker 1: and then he stopped to Ivasa in fifty four seconds.

1686
01:22:54,080 --> 01:22:56,240
Speaker 1: And if he goes in there and does not get

1687
01:22:56,240 --> 01:23:00,719
Speaker 1: exposed and either stops or really evolved game to another

1688
01:23:00,800 --> 01:23:03,240
Speaker 1: level and beats a guy like Curtis Blades, who you know,

1689
01:23:03,280 --> 01:23:05,599
Speaker 1: even though he's come up short multiple times in trying

1690
01:23:05,640 --> 01:23:08,639
Speaker 1: to get to the title level, will probably inevitably still

1691
01:23:08,640 --> 01:23:10,599
Speaker 1: be lingering around this title level because he's that good.

1692
01:23:10,840 --> 01:23:15,160
Speaker 1: If Pavlovich beats him, he's probably he's probably the next dude.

1693
01:23:15,200 --> 01:23:18,639
Speaker 1: He's probably that next dude. You know, it's I don't

1694
01:23:18,640 --> 01:23:20,240
Speaker 1: think it'll you know, I don't think Steve this may

1695
01:23:20,240 --> 01:23:23,160
Speaker 1: be the last fight when I lose. We see Stepe.

1696
01:23:23,840 --> 01:23:25,960
Speaker 1: I know, we've seen some other kinds of turnover in

1697
01:23:26,000 --> 01:23:30,080
Speaker 1: this division, but it's not incredibly deep at the moment.

1698
01:23:30,160 --> 01:23:31,840
Speaker 1: I mean, Aspinall is going to have to come back

1699
01:23:31,840 --> 01:23:33,600
Speaker 1: from the injury improve it. He's very much in this

1700
01:23:33,680 --> 01:23:35,840
Speaker 1: conversation as well, But I think Pavlovitch is at the

1701
01:23:35,840 --> 01:23:38,559
Speaker 1: front of it at the moment of who might have next,

1702
01:23:38,600 --> 01:23:41,720
Speaker 1: and it slides down pretty aggressively from there. With the

1703
01:23:42,040 --> 01:23:45,800
Speaker 1: exception of gileton Almeta, he I think is the wild

1704
01:23:45,880 --> 01:23:49,759
Speaker 1: card of the moment. Long term, take my MMA advice

1705
01:23:50,000 --> 01:23:53,800
Speaker 1: as you will. I wear a white belt for a reason. Yeah.

1706
01:23:53,880 --> 01:23:55,439
Speaker 1: I love playing into that. By the way, do you

1707
01:23:55,439 --> 01:23:57,880
Speaker 1: guys realize I'm Billy Hoe and you all right Billy

1708
01:23:57,920 --> 01:23:59,640
Speaker 1: Hoyle from White Man Can't Jump? I mean no, I

1709
01:23:59,640 --> 01:24:01,479
Speaker 1: don't know. I'm a man on the level of Luke,

1710
01:24:01,720 --> 01:24:04,360
Speaker 1: and yes there's times that I'm you know, we'll have

1711
01:24:04,400 --> 01:24:06,160
Speaker 1: a misstep or we'll be in row eight and we'll

1712
01:24:06,160 --> 01:24:09,760
Speaker 1: score around four for Errold Allen. But you know better

1713
01:24:09,800 --> 01:24:11,280
Speaker 1: around this game. You know, I've been in this game

1714
01:24:11,320 --> 01:24:13,439
Speaker 1: for ten years making rap tunes, right, I mean ever

1715
01:24:13,439 --> 01:24:19,320
Speaker 1: since Hone's was wearing sassoon, right, you white belt taking bitch?

1716
01:24:19,400 --> 01:24:23,720
Speaker 1: All right, let's keep this going. Here's from Kashish underscore

1717
01:24:24,000 --> 01:24:27,120
Speaker 1: Sana Finally b C will be back. I am back, bro.

1718
01:24:27,760 --> 01:24:30,080
Speaker 1: Who do you want to see Benil Derry Usch fight next?

1719
01:24:30,240 --> 01:24:34,479
Speaker 1: How about Charles Olivera because it looks like they're rebooking that. Yeah,

1720
01:24:34,520 --> 01:24:36,880
Speaker 1: that's the fight. I get the whole situation for darry Yush.

1721
01:24:36,960 --> 01:24:39,240
Speaker 1: Yes he's had to go the long way, but you

1722
01:24:39,360 --> 01:24:45,639
Speaker 1: understand why. But this is the fight that will decide,

1723
01:24:45,640 --> 01:24:47,920
Speaker 1: and I get that people are upset when Derry USh

1724
01:24:47,960 --> 01:24:50,479
Speaker 1: revealed that. Essentially, Dana White was like, you're not the

1725
01:24:50,560 --> 01:24:54,800
Speaker 1: number one contender. But to be fair, I don't think

1726
01:24:54,800 --> 01:24:56,559
Speaker 1: he is either. I mean I think he's right there,

1727
01:24:57,000 --> 01:25:01,559
Speaker 1: he's in the discussion. But this is the fight he

1728
01:25:01,640 --> 01:25:04,000
Speaker 1: needs to get there. This is the fight he needs

1729
01:25:04,000 --> 01:25:06,040
Speaker 1: to finally get over that hill. Leon Edwards had to

1730
01:25:06,040 --> 01:25:08,640
Speaker 1: go that long way. Max Holloway had to go the

1731
01:25:08,680 --> 01:25:11,120
Speaker 1: long way to eventually get the title shot, but when

1732
01:25:11,120 --> 01:25:12,599
Speaker 1: he got it, he took care of it and handled

1733
01:25:12,640 --> 01:25:16,320
Speaker 1: his business. Let's rebook, Let's let's do it. This is

1734
01:25:16,320 --> 01:25:18,439
Speaker 1: the fight. This decides it, and this also decides, you know,

1735
01:25:18,600 --> 01:25:21,360
Speaker 1: into some degree which direction Joe Bronks is going after

1736
01:25:21,400 --> 01:25:25,040
Speaker 1: that incredible run at the very elite up ubl of

1737
01:25:25,080 --> 01:25:27,160
Speaker 1: what he can be. Good Lord, what he could be

1738
01:25:27,280 --> 01:25:28,920
Speaker 1: is great? Can you still be there? This is why

1739
01:25:28,960 --> 01:25:31,360
Speaker 1: we need this fight? Okay. I love Benny. I love

1740
01:25:31,400 --> 01:25:33,280
Speaker 1: that he's not call her, he's not even dying the hair.

1741
01:25:33,280 --> 01:25:35,160
Speaker 1: He's like, yo, this is who I am. Man. I

1742
01:25:35,200 --> 01:25:37,920
Speaker 1: love when he shouted out JC in a different land.

1743
01:25:37,960 --> 01:25:39,800
Speaker 1: That was interesting. I was happy you made it out

1744
01:25:39,800 --> 01:25:44,639
Speaker 1: of there. Let's go over down to David underscore Ariola one.

1745
01:25:46,280 --> 01:25:47,840
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's his last name or the

1746
01:25:47,880 --> 01:25:50,400
Speaker 1: description of his moves, but a big fan of this guy.

1747
01:25:50,479 --> 01:25:52,200
Speaker 1: Just to say, hey, BC, do you think Nate can

1748
01:25:52,240 --> 01:26:01,080
Speaker 1: actually stop Jake? I mean it sounds yeah, but yeah,

1749
01:26:01,080 --> 01:26:05,639
Speaker 1: it's possible. I think the idea would be closer to now, look,

1750
01:26:05,680 --> 01:26:08,719
Speaker 1: Canate land one clean punch that could you know? Wobble

1751
01:26:08,840 --> 01:26:10,479
Speaker 1: Jake and put him in trouble and lead to a stop.

1752
01:26:10,479 --> 01:26:13,519
Speaker 1: It's sure, you know, Jake's a novice. He's a novice

1753
01:26:13,560 --> 01:26:16,200
Speaker 1: with experience. A certain level of experience, though, and certain

1754
01:26:16,280 --> 01:26:18,559
Speaker 1: level of physical advantages that will tell you a Nate

1755
01:26:18,640 --> 01:26:22,679
Speaker 1: knockout is not the most likely outcome here. It would

1756
01:26:22,680 --> 01:26:24,760
Speaker 1: probably be more likely if it did happen, though, to

1757
01:26:24,800 --> 01:26:27,760
Speaker 1: be on accumulation in gassing Nate or gassing Jake out

1758
01:26:27,760 --> 01:26:30,800
Speaker 1: getting him in Like we've seen Jake in eight round

1759
01:26:30,840 --> 01:26:33,920
Speaker 1: technical fights at a decent pace. Have we seen Jake

1760
01:26:33,960 --> 01:26:36,519
Speaker 1: in an absolute brawl right where he's been hurt and

1761
01:26:36,520 --> 01:26:38,080
Speaker 1: had to come back? I mean, if Nate can drag

1762
01:26:38,160 --> 01:26:40,479
Speaker 1: him into that. Again, these guys are at such a

1763
01:26:40,520 --> 01:26:42,720
Speaker 1: novice level in terms of their actual boxing ability. At

1764
01:26:42,800 --> 01:26:46,880
Speaker 1: least Nate has the long detailed combat history. But like

1765
01:26:46,960 --> 01:26:50,040
Speaker 1: things like gassing out can just happen and affect these fights,

1766
01:26:50,080 --> 01:26:53,080
Speaker 1: you know, or a cut dramatically changing the direction of it.

1767
01:26:53,840 --> 01:26:56,240
Speaker 1: But the fight's at one eighty five, as David says here,

1768
01:26:56,320 --> 01:26:58,360
Speaker 1: plus Jake is going to rehydrate a good amount. Is

1769
01:26:58,400 --> 01:27:00,479
Speaker 1: he is at best? He can hope for decision. I

1770
01:27:00,520 --> 01:27:02,080
Speaker 1: don't want to say that's the best Nate can hope

1771
01:27:02,160 --> 01:27:04,519
Speaker 1: it's just the most likely outcome. This is a hill

1772
01:27:04,600 --> 01:27:06,200
Speaker 1: Nate's gonna have to climb. I mean, I know he's

1773
01:27:07,080 --> 01:27:09,200
Speaker 1: always had some of the best boxing in him, a man,

1774
01:27:09,240 --> 01:27:10,439
Speaker 1: I know, you know, remember we used to see him

1775
01:27:10,720 --> 01:27:13,000
Speaker 1: sparring with andre Ward in the Bay Area. I mean,

1776
01:27:13,280 --> 01:27:15,800
Speaker 1: you know, Nate's gonna be credible here. But you have

1777
01:27:15,880 --> 01:27:20,040
Speaker 1: to wonder about that size difference. You have to you

1778
01:27:20,080 --> 01:27:23,160
Speaker 1: have to wonder if Jake can come back stronger, work

1779
01:27:23,160 --> 01:27:25,600
Speaker 1: even harder, to adapt his game and really look to

1780
01:27:25,640 --> 01:27:27,479
Speaker 1: be what he is at this level, which is more

1781
01:27:27,479 --> 01:27:30,519
Speaker 1: of a pure boxer, you know, staying behind that jab,

1782
01:27:30,520 --> 01:27:32,160
Speaker 1: but also he has enough power to keep you in

1783
01:27:32,240 --> 01:27:35,839
Speaker 1: check at this novice level. I think it's it's probably

1784
01:27:35,880 --> 01:27:41,760
Speaker 1: more likely that Jake wins outright, or that there's a

1785
01:27:41,800 --> 01:27:43,640
Speaker 1: decision to win here for Nate, but stop, it is

1786
01:27:43,680 --> 01:27:45,479
Speaker 1: not out of the question. I'm actually gonna be honest

1787
01:27:45,479 --> 01:27:47,559
Speaker 1: with you. I'm interested in this fight. I'm interested in it.

1788
01:27:47,800 --> 01:27:49,479
Speaker 1: I want to see Nate in this space, but I

1789
01:27:49,560 --> 01:27:51,439
Speaker 1: want to see how Jake responds to that loss of

1790
01:27:51,439 --> 01:27:52,920
Speaker 1: fury where I think that leveled them out to the

1791
01:27:52,960 --> 01:27:55,360
Speaker 1: idea of like fighting Canelo one day and fighting for

1792
01:27:55,400 --> 01:27:59,200
Speaker 1: a title. I don't mind him staying for now in

1793
01:27:59,240 --> 01:28:02,720
Speaker 1: the larger base of he's gonna box KSI eventually we

1794
01:28:02,800 --> 01:28:04,439
Speaker 1: know that. Would we care about that? I don't know,

1795
01:28:04,479 --> 01:28:06,800
Speaker 1: but we'll care about Nate, right, Yeah, of course we will.

1796
01:28:06,920 --> 01:28:08,800
Speaker 1: I don't hate this fight. I think Jake does have

1797
01:28:08,880 --> 01:28:11,639
Speaker 1: that built in youth and size advantage. But he's a

1798
01:28:11,680 --> 01:28:16,360
Speaker 1: real fighter. Jake looks like a real fighter sometimes, but

1799
01:28:16,400 --> 01:28:19,120
Speaker 1: he's more of a pure boxer in this space, in

1800
01:28:19,120 --> 01:28:22,520
Speaker 1: this sense. Let's see what they can do to him.

1801
01:28:23,040 --> 01:28:27,280
Speaker 1: Let's go over to Vulley Jerry. I don't know if

1802
01:28:27,280 --> 01:28:29,360
Speaker 1: that's two words or one word, Vulagarry. That could be

1803
01:28:29,400 --> 01:28:33,240
Speaker 1: a nice, nice French name. Maybe favorite debut albums. Yes,

1804
01:28:33,360 --> 01:28:36,280
Speaker 1: now you're asking, you know, BC the rock critic, So

1805
01:28:36,400 --> 01:28:38,599
Speaker 1: you know what I mean to like do? I found

1806
01:28:38,640 --> 01:28:43,440
Speaker 1: a really good store in rock vinyl store in downtown Boulder, Colorado,

1807
01:28:43,479 --> 01:28:45,840
Speaker 1: that was really fun. I got I got some goods there,

1808
01:28:45,880 --> 01:28:49,840
Speaker 1: you know, really getting into like Robin Troyer's solo career

1809
01:28:50,080 --> 01:28:52,439
Speaker 1: as a trio there with James Douarre on bassing and vocals.

1810
01:28:52,439 --> 01:28:54,519
Speaker 1: I don't know if you f with that. Edgar Winter

1811
01:28:54,880 --> 01:28:57,280
Speaker 1: I've been going on that road lately. Wow. Speaking Edgar

1812
01:28:57,320 --> 01:28:59,840
Speaker 1: Winter by the way, seventy seven. He's featured in the

1813
01:28:59,880 --> 01:29:01,920
Speaker 1: new Portugal of the Man single that just came out.

1814
01:29:01,920 --> 01:29:04,840
Speaker 1: I think it's called champ Check that out. Check that

1815
01:29:04,840 --> 01:29:06,559
Speaker 1: shit out at the new album for Portugal of the

1816
01:29:06,560 --> 01:29:10,360
Speaker 1: Man coming out June twenty third. Can't wait, can't wait there,

1817
01:29:09,840 --> 01:29:14,360
Speaker 1: John and Company, can't wait. Let's go with this. He

1818
01:29:14,400 --> 01:29:16,719
Speaker 1: wants to know the best debut albums in rock history.

1819
01:29:16,720 --> 01:29:19,280
Speaker 1: In my opinion, I take questions like this seriously because

1820
01:29:19,280 --> 01:29:21,600
Speaker 1: I live for this shit. Remember when I want to

1821
01:29:21,600 --> 01:29:23,400
Speaker 1: say higher learning? Remember when that came out? Wow, that

1822
01:29:23,439 --> 01:29:25,960
Speaker 1: was the eye opener right read mean wow. I was

1823
01:29:25,960 --> 01:29:32,240
Speaker 1: gonna say. Do you remember when what's the John Cusack movie?

1824
01:29:32,280 --> 01:29:37,840
Speaker 1: The High Fidelity came out? That was that movie that

1825
01:29:37,840 --> 01:29:39,040
Speaker 1: came out of it. He's like, oh my god, BC,

1826
01:29:39,160 --> 01:29:41,000
Speaker 1: they made a movie about you like you. All you

1827
01:29:41,040 --> 01:29:43,559
Speaker 1: ever do is rank things like what's your top five? This,

1828
01:29:43,600 --> 01:29:45,920
Speaker 1: what's your this? I live you know. I'm a keyboard warrior.

1829
01:29:45,920 --> 01:29:47,640
Speaker 1: I ranked pum for pound lists. I don't get in

1830
01:29:47,680 --> 01:29:50,120
Speaker 1: the case, like Mack said afterwards in the postfight press

1831
01:29:50,120 --> 01:29:52,360
Speaker 1: conference Saturday, I can't get too mad at the media

1832
01:29:52,400 --> 01:29:55,240
Speaker 1: who keep doubting me. You know a lot of those

1833
01:29:55,280 --> 01:29:57,599
Speaker 1: guys haven't been in in real fights in their life,

1834
01:29:57,600 --> 01:30:00,759
Speaker 1: and they're probably in their basement where a red plaid

1835
01:30:00,760 --> 01:30:04,360
Speaker 1: shirt and a Chuck Minden Hall drinking coffee out of

1836
01:30:04,360 --> 01:30:11,680
Speaker 1: a peach. I mean, he's right, he is right, all right.

1837
01:30:11,760 --> 01:30:14,960
Speaker 1: Debut albums love this. What makes a great debut album?

1838
01:30:15,040 --> 01:30:17,920
Speaker 1: You say, BC, Here's where you need to be to

1839
01:30:17,960 --> 01:30:20,960
Speaker 1: get on this list. In my opinion, the debut album

1840
01:30:20,960 --> 01:30:23,479
Speaker 1: has to arguably be their best work, which is, you know,

1841
01:30:23,479 --> 01:30:26,160
Speaker 1: it's rare. I mean, think of how many albums. Sometimes

1842
01:30:26,200 --> 01:30:27,920
Speaker 1: it takes a band two to three albums to really

1843
01:30:27,920 --> 01:30:32,320
Speaker 1: put it together right. You know. It also has to

1844
01:30:32,560 --> 01:30:35,559
Speaker 1: in some degree have changed the direction of the genre

1845
01:30:35,720 --> 01:30:39,679
Speaker 1: or been a large enough statement within that actual genre

1846
01:30:39,680 --> 01:30:41,680
Speaker 1: where people are like, oh shit, you know what I mean,

1847
01:30:41,800 --> 01:30:45,080
Speaker 1: like yeah, like wow. And then it has to do

1848
01:30:45,120 --> 01:30:46,639
Speaker 1: just what I said, It has to make a monster

1849
01:30:46,760 --> 01:30:49,880
Speaker 1: splash shout out to a couple of honorable mentions. You

1850
01:30:49,880 --> 01:30:52,800
Speaker 1: certainly could go Ready to Die by Big. If you

1851
01:30:52,800 --> 01:30:54,519
Speaker 1: want to include the hip hop into this, you can

1852
01:30:54,560 --> 01:30:57,679
Speaker 1: certainly go two offerings from Ozzie not just Black Sabbaths

1853
01:30:57,720 --> 01:31:01,719
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy self titled debut, but He's solo debut nineteen

1854
01:31:01,760 --> 01:31:04,840
Speaker 1: eighties Blizzard of Oz when he brought in the next

1855
01:31:04,920 --> 01:31:08,200
Speaker 1: level superstar Randy Rhodes on guitar. Those could easily be

1856
01:31:08,280 --> 01:31:10,760
Speaker 1: in this list, but this is BC's top ten list here.

1857
01:31:10,800 --> 01:31:13,200
Speaker 1: So here are my top ten debut albums in rock history,

1858
01:31:13,200 --> 01:31:15,519
Speaker 1: in order, number ten. I don't think you can have

1859
01:31:15,560 --> 01:31:17,519
Speaker 1: a list without this being in here. The Doors by

1860
01:31:17,560 --> 01:31:21,320
Speaker 1: the Doors nineteen sixty five. I'm not like a major

1861
01:31:21,360 --> 01:31:23,240
Speaker 1: Doors fan, but I'm a strong Doors fan. You know.

1862
01:31:23,240 --> 01:31:26,559
Speaker 1: I always had like Morrison Hotel and La Woman on CD,

1863
01:31:26,720 --> 01:31:29,240
Speaker 1: and I've been slowly trying to get my dad. My

1864
01:31:29,360 --> 01:31:31,679
Speaker 1: dad donated. My dad did me a solid in June

1865
01:31:32,880 --> 01:31:37,479
Speaker 1: Jude of last year. It's his record collection of you know,

1866
01:31:37,560 --> 01:31:39,960
Speaker 1: late sixties early seventies rock that I grew up like

1867
01:31:40,280 --> 01:31:43,479
Speaker 1: reading the liners of that made me a music fan.

1868
01:31:43,600 --> 01:31:46,120
Speaker 1: So when I got into Vinyl in the pandemic, you know,

1869
01:31:46,120 --> 01:31:48,080
Speaker 1: he was like, oh, I'm gonna leave all mine to you,

1870
01:31:48,160 --> 01:31:49,880
Speaker 1: and you know, in my will one day, right, and

1871
01:31:49,920 --> 01:31:51,519
Speaker 1: it's always like you know, that bitter sweet, like I'll

1872
01:31:51,520 --> 01:31:53,000
Speaker 1: lose my dad, but I get his record click, I'm

1873
01:31:53,000 --> 01:31:54,519
Speaker 1: just kidding, like you know, it's like, oh, that's great.

1874
01:31:54,880 --> 01:31:56,560
Speaker 1: Then my dad called me one day. He's like, you

1875
01:31:56,560 --> 01:31:58,559
Speaker 1: know what I'm gonna I'm gonna actually not wait until then,

1876
01:31:58,600 --> 01:32:00,600
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you. I'm gonna give it to you,

1877
01:32:00,600 --> 01:32:01,960
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna drive it up. So he drove it

1878
01:32:02,040 --> 01:32:04,160
Speaker 1: up and I got his collection and it's been incredible.

1879
01:32:04,160 --> 01:32:05,880
Speaker 1: I mean, this is this is you know, this is

1880
01:32:05,920 --> 01:32:07,400
Speaker 1: what made me a fan. So I got a couple,

1881
01:32:07,920 --> 01:32:10,519
Speaker 1: you know, in between Doors albums that I got People

1882
01:32:10,600 --> 01:32:15,519
Speaker 1: Are Strange and the Soft Parade, and but the first

1883
01:32:15,560 --> 01:32:19,120
Speaker 1: one where where music was in nineteenth you know at

1884
01:32:19,120 --> 01:32:21,040
Speaker 1: that point did I say sixty five? Is that right?

1885
01:32:21,080 --> 01:32:25,599
Speaker 1: I thought it was sixty seven. This thing, this thing

1886
01:32:25,640 --> 01:32:28,320
Speaker 1: came out of nowhere, this thing really hit the mark. Yeah,

1887
01:32:28,360 --> 01:32:34,160
Speaker 1: September of sixty five. I think the other part of

1888
01:32:34,240 --> 01:32:36,439
Speaker 1: the element of what makes a great debut album is

1889
01:32:36,479 --> 01:32:39,439
Speaker 1: if I said, arguably their best work sometimes you go

1890
01:32:39,520 --> 01:32:42,960
Speaker 1: to another level. If their debut album could stand alone

1891
01:32:43,000 --> 01:32:46,360
Speaker 1: as the greatest hits album. I think that that sometimes

1892
01:32:46,439 --> 01:32:49,640
Speaker 1: is like that fits the description. This is not necessarily

1893
01:32:49,720 --> 01:32:51,599
Speaker 1: the case with the Doors. It's not like littered from

1894
01:32:51,640 --> 01:32:54,040
Speaker 1: start to finish with every song you've heard of. But

1895
01:32:55,360 --> 01:32:57,920
Speaker 1: it was strong, and this was such a unique band

1896
01:32:58,000 --> 01:33:00,360
Speaker 1: that you know, didn't always employ a full time Bassis

1897
01:33:00,439 --> 01:33:02,400
Speaker 1: had Raymond Zeric playing the bass on the keys, and

1898
01:33:02,400 --> 01:33:05,640
Speaker 1: you know, Robbie Kreeger had such a unique style of

1899
01:33:05,680 --> 01:33:07,680
Speaker 1: blues bassed guitar car but it was, you know, the

1900
01:33:07,720 --> 01:33:11,040
Speaker 1: poetry of more. I mean, this was like this, this

1901
01:33:11,240 --> 01:33:14,800
Speaker 1: hit as hard I'd have to imagine, and that that's

1902
01:33:14,840 --> 01:33:16,439
Speaker 1: all I can do, right when I live in the

1903
01:33:16,520 --> 01:33:18,400
Speaker 1: vinyl of the sixties and seventies and go back and

1904
01:33:18,439 --> 01:33:20,400
Speaker 1: imagine it in his time. It's sort of like, is

1905
01:33:20,439 --> 01:33:22,960
Speaker 1: Sergeant Pepper your favorite Beatles album? B s. No, it's

1906
01:33:23,000 --> 01:33:26,080
Speaker 1: actually not even close to one of my favorite albums.

1907
01:33:26,320 --> 01:33:28,479
Speaker 1: But anytime I hear somebody say that Serget Pepper is

1908
01:33:28,479 --> 01:33:31,160
Speaker 1: the greatest album in rock history, I cannot argue with

1909
01:33:31,240 --> 01:33:34,599
Speaker 1: them because was I alive in nineteen sixty seven and

1910
01:33:35,439 --> 01:33:38,240
Speaker 1: a fan of the the Beatles pop music only to

1911
01:33:38,280 --> 01:33:41,120
Speaker 1: have something that abstract and psychedelic just dropped on the

1912
01:33:41,160 --> 01:33:44,720
Speaker 1: scene to change everything. No, I wasn't right. Sometimes, you

1913
01:33:44,720 --> 01:33:46,960
Speaker 1: know when those albums hit at that time, the Doors

1914
01:33:47,040 --> 01:33:49,840
Speaker 1: to some degree hit like that because of how unique

1915
01:33:49,840 --> 01:33:51,839
Speaker 1: they are, yet they did obviously fit in the regular

1916
01:33:52,240 --> 01:33:54,960
Speaker 1: you know, AM radio space at the time. But that's

1917
01:33:55,000 --> 01:33:57,840
Speaker 1: as strong now as that album's ever been. Number nine.

1918
01:33:58,680 --> 01:34:00,360
Speaker 1: I can't believe it took me this longer find this.

1919
01:34:00,439 --> 01:34:03,000
Speaker 1: And I've talked to you before about how Ram. You know,

1920
01:34:03,439 --> 01:34:07,040
Speaker 1: when you come into RAM only from losing my religion,

1921
01:34:07,160 --> 01:34:10,840
Speaker 1: shiny happy people stand, you know. I mean, anytime they're

1922
01:34:10,840 --> 01:34:12,360
Speaker 1: doing some shit with the B fifty two is it's like, man,

1923
01:34:12,400 --> 01:34:14,400
Speaker 1: I hate RIM, you know, And it's like, you know,

1924
01:34:14,400 --> 01:34:17,320
Speaker 1: when you're a young, ignorant teenager, you might not look

1925
01:34:17,360 --> 01:34:19,479
Speaker 1: at Michael Stipe and say nice things about him because

1926
01:34:19,520 --> 01:34:21,800
Speaker 1: he was always so outspoken and all of that. But

1927
01:34:22,040 --> 01:34:25,960
Speaker 1: I'm happy I've come around to find the true brilliance

1928
01:34:26,240 --> 01:34:31,840
Speaker 1: in our album artistry and art that RAM has done

1929
01:34:31,840 --> 01:34:34,799
Speaker 1: at times in the different genre turns that they've taken.

1930
01:34:35,560 --> 01:34:38,840
Speaker 1: But the first two RM albums are freaking amazing. And

1931
01:34:38,920 --> 01:34:42,000
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty three is Murmur their first one. You know,

1932
01:34:42,040 --> 01:34:45,600
Speaker 1: it's hey, yeah, it's new wave technically and it's early alternative,

1933
01:34:45,680 --> 01:34:47,800
Speaker 1: but it doesn't sound like nineteen eighty three, and it

1934
01:34:47,800 --> 01:34:51,000
Speaker 1: doesn't even sound like anything today. It just its own thing,

1935
01:34:51,120 --> 01:34:53,840
Speaker 1: and the second album, Reckoning, is sort of like part

1936
01:34:53,880 --> 01:34:55,719
Speaker 1: two of this to some degree, and they're both great.

1937
01:34:55,760 --> 01:34:59,360
Speaker 1: But if you think you knew rim like like I thought,

1938
01:34:59,400 --> 01:35:01,160
Speaker 1: I kind of did, and didn't like him and hated

1939
01:35:01,200 --> 01:35:02,880
Speaker 1: them almost as much as I hate you two and

1940
01:35:02,920 --> 01:35:06,679
Speaker 1: other great bands that some people really love, I was wrong,

1941
01:35:06,840 --> 01:35:11,960
Speaker 1: murmurs incredible and it's and it's dude, it's it's uh.

1942
01:35:12,840 --> 01:35:15,680
Speaker 1: It's the bassline, there's almost who's the bassis? Does that?

1943
01:35:15,720 --> 01:35:21,840
Speaker 1: Mike what's his name? Peter buck on guitar? Who's the

1944
01:35:21,920 --> 01:35:24,719
Speaker 1: damn Bassis? That guy plays almost McCartney like, he's playing

1945
01:35:24,760 --> 01:35:28,479
Speaker 1: almost you know, alternate rhythm guitar there, And that's I

1946
01:35:28,520 --> 01:35:31,680
Speaker 1: think a monster part of what makes what makes that

1947
01:35:31,800 --> 01:35:34,400
Speaker 1: album so unique, and it still stands out today, number

1948
01:35:34,400 --> 01:35:36,960
Speaker 1: eight on the on the Best Debut Albums in Rock History.

1949
01:35:37,520 --> 01:35:40,200
Speaker 1: Nineteen seventy eight's Van Halen by Van Halen. I mean,

1950
01:35:40,240 --> 01:35:42,800
Speaker 1: come on, that's one of those we were like, that's

1951
01:35:42,800 --> 01:35:47,320
Speaker 1: almost the greatest hits album in itself when that hit that.

1952
01:35:47,439 --> 01:35:52,880
Speaker 1: Think of where rock was in nineteen seventy eight. You know,

1953
01:35:53,120 --> 01:35:56,479
Speaker 1: corporate rock, you know bands like Boston and Foreigner and

1954
01:35:56,520 --> 01:35:58,920
Speaker 1: you know sticks I mean, like, you know those I

1955
01:35:59,040 --> 01:36:00,680
Speaker 1: like some of those bands. Some of those bands can

1956
01:36:00,680 --> 01:36:03,120
Speaker 1: put out a good album, but rock in nineteen seventy

1957
01:36:03,120 --> 01:36:06,040
Speaker 1: it kind of sucked, just like rock from like ninety

1958
01:36:06,640 --> 01:36:08,760
Speaker 1: eight through two thousand and two kind of just really

1959
01:36:08,760 --> 01:36:13,160
Speaker 1: sucked the horn, right, and then this just hits and

1960
01:36:13,200 --> 01:36:16,400
Speaker 1: it's it's not really hard rock, but it kind of

1961
01:36:16,400 --> 01:36:18,280
Speaker 1: fits in that category. It's not really a pure rock

1962
01:36:18,320 --> 01:36:19,719
Speaker 1: and roll, but it kind of fits in that category.

1963
01:36:19,760 --> 01:36:23,080
Speaker 1: It's really you got this R and B louncingerly Roth

1964
01:36:23,160 --> 01:36:27,280
Speaker 1: and you know, the most classically trained and next level.

1965
01:36:27,800 --> 01:36:30,280
Speaker 1: You know, it's like people have wrongfully put Eddie van

1966
01:36:30,280 --> 01:36:32,880
Speaker 1: Halen in the heavy metal genre for years, which he's

1967
01:36:32,880 --> 01:36:36,760
Speaker 1: never been in. But it's almost like he's he's progue

1968
01:36:36,880 --> 01:36:39,120
Speaker 1: in a way. You know. It's almost like he took

1969
01:36:39,200 --> 01:36:42,479
Speaker 1: like a classical progue element, mixed it with the R

1970
01:36:42,520 --> 01:36:43,920
Speaker 1: and B of David ly Roth, and then it came

1971
01:36:43,920 --> 01:36:46,080
Speaker 1: out and it sounded like rock and it was incredible.

1972
01:36:46,479 --> 01:36:48,479
Speaker 1: The mature you know what you love about a countdown

1973
01:36:48,560 --> 01:36:50,840
Speaker 1: like this for debut albums when the maturity in the

1974
01:36:50,880 --> 01:36:52,880
Speaker 1: first album is so next level. I'm not saying the

1975
01:36:52,960 --> 01:36:55,840
Speaker 1: songs and the lyrical content of any prime van Halen

1976
01:36:55,920 --> 01:36:58,920
Speaker 1: was mature, but the maturity of the music at that

1977
01:36:59,000 --> 01:37:01,760
Speaker 1: point they didn't need a couple albums to put it together, right.

1978
01:37:02,080 --> 01:37:05,480
Speaker 1: They came out of the womb fully formed and dominant.

1979
01:37:06,200 --> 01:37:08,720
Speaker 1: Van Halen One will still blow you away, and it

1980
01:37:08,880 --> 01:37:10,960
Speaker 1: still has that time, which is a theme and a

1981
01:37:11,000 --> 01:37:14,519
Speaker 1: countdown like this. It's timeless, doesn't sound like then, doesn't

1982
01:37:14,520 --> 01:37:17,679
Speaker 1: even sound like now. It just sounds awesome. Number seven,

1983
01:37:19,880 --> 01:37:24,519
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety two forty ounces to Freedom by Sublime. I mean,

1984
01:37:24,560 --> 01:37:27,400
Speaker 1: does that say it all? I used to try to

1985
01:37:27,840 --> 01:37:34,280
Speaker 1: protect records, CDs, albums, great albums, meaning it's always like, like, look,

1986
01:37:35,560 --> 01:37:37,559
Speaker 1: if I like I've listened to led Zeppe the load

1987
01:37:37,640 --> 01:37:40,040
Speaker 1: Zepp on two is like arguably the greatest rock album

1988
01:37:40,040 --> 01:37:41,799
Speaker 1: of all time. I wouldn't put it there, but it's arguably.

1989
01:37:41,840 --> 01:37:44,040
Speaker 1: But I've heard it five thousand times, right, just as

1990
01:37:44,120 --> 01:37:45,680
Speaker 1: much as we've heard Zoso and all that, you know.

1991
01:37:45,680 --> 01:37:47,800
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, I've heard it like to the

1992
01:37:47,880 --> 01:37:51,519
Speaker 1: levels that I could almost never appreciate again how great

1993
01:37:51,560 --> 01:37:56,160
Speaker 1: it was, because I've just I've overdone it, I've overdosed

1994
01:37:56,200 --> 01:37:57,479
Speaker 1: on it, you know what I mean. You'd have to

1995
01:37:57,520 --> 01:37:59,280
Speaker 1: just not listen to it for ten years and then

1996
01:37:59,320 --> 01:38:01,960
Speaker 1: here with Freshie again, or put on expensive headphones and

1997
01:38:02,120 --> 01:38:05,360
Speaker 1: be like damn. I got to a point around age

1998
01:38:05,400 --> 01:38:07,160
Speaker 1: seventeen where I thought, you know what, I gotta protect.

1999
01:38:07,479 --> 01:38:09,000
Speaker 1: It's a weird, nerd way to do it, but I

2000
01:38:09,000 --> 01:38:11,400
Speaker 1: gotta protect the amount of times I hear albums that

2001
01:38:11,479 --> 01:38:12,920
Speaker 1: I know are great. I used to listen to Abby

2002
01:38:13,000 --> 01:38:15,400
Speaker 1: Road only like on my birthday. How weird is that? Right?

2003
01:38:15,439 --> 01:38:17,679
Speaker 1: But I had to protect it. You know, the first

2004
01:38:17,680 --> 01:38:20,360
Speaker 1: record where I just said I'm taking the training rule

2005
01:38:20,439 --> 01:38:23,320
Speaker 1: wheels off. I'm not following the rules. I'm not protecting.

2006
01:38:23,360 --> 01:38:25,200
Speaker 1: I'm not limiting the amount of times I hear this

2007
01:38:25,280 --> 01:38:28,679
Speaker 1: so I can still recognize its greatness. I am swimming

2008
01:38:28,760 --> 01:38:30,880
Speaker 1: in the pool, no matter how many times you put

2009
01:38:30,920 --> 01:38:32,920
Speaker 1: that that hershey bar at the bottom of it, right,

2010
01:38:33,000 --> 01:38:34,880
Speaker 1: I'm in this, pee in the pool, pee in the sink.

2011
01:38:34,920 --> 01:38:37,839
Speaker 1: All you want act like a Hell's Angel. Forty Ounces

2012
01:38:37,840 --> 01:38:39,960
Speaker 1: to Freedom by Sublime. You can put on from start

2013
01:38:39,960 --> 01:38:41,840
Speaker 1: to finish and play it seventeen times in a row,

2014
01:38:41,840 --> 01:38:43,360
Speaker 1: and it will never get old and never not be

2015
01:38:43,439 --> 01:38:47,519
Speaker 1: awesome because it's so much in one it's so many songs,

2016
01:38:47,560 --> 01:38:50,759
Speaker 1: it's so many genres mixed in together. It's like surf

2017
01:38:50,840 --> 01:38:54,920
Speaker 1: guitar slash reggae inspired, but it also thrashes. I mean

2018
01:38:54,920 --> 01:38:57,960
Speaker 1: it's it's you know, it's got the pop tunes as

2019
01:38:57,960 --> 01:39:03,080
Speaker 1: well to fulfill you there, damn right, damn all right,

2020
01:39:03,160 --> 01:39:06,200
Speaker 1: number six. We never got another one from this guy,

2021
01:39:06,479 --> 01:39:09,519
Speaker 1: and it's unfortunate, right, Jeff Buckley's Grace nineteen ninety four.

2022
01:39:11,880 --> 01:39:14,639
Speaker 1: You talk about maturity, it's maybe the most mature debut

2023
01:39:14,720 --> 01:39:16,920
Speaker 1: album that that that there's ever been. I mean, it's

2024
01:39:16,920 --> 01:39:20,200
Speaker 1: it's still I still I'm still figuring this record out,

2025
01:39:20,280 --> 01:39:22,160
Speaker 1: which kind of sounds weird. I remember when I bought

2026
01:39:22,160 --> 01:39:25,960
Speaker 1: it in probably ninety six and had so much acclaim

2027
01:39:26,000 --> 01:39:28,320
Speaker 1: and I think I think Buckley had just died and

2028
01:39:28,400 --> 01:39:30,519
Speaker 1: that drowning in that river and you never got to

2029
01:39:30,520 --> 01:39:33,160
Speaker 1: put out the sophomore record or anything like that. But

2030
01:39:34,320 --> 01:39:36,599
Speaker 1: I remember like thinking, man, this isn't good. Everyone says

2031
01:39:36,640 --> 01:39:38,280
Speaker 1: it's five stars, not that good. You know, it took

2032
01:39:38,320 --> 01:39:40,360
Speaker 1: me a while to unwrap it. And that's that's the

2033
01:39:40,479 --> 01:39:44,400
Speaker 1: That's the best, the best. The best albums that truly

2034
01:39:44,479 --> 01:39:46,639
Speaker 1: endure in your life are not the ones that were

2035
01:39:46,680 --> 01:39:49,559
Speaker 1: instantly accessible. It can't happen right. LED's up on two

2036
01:39:49,640 --> 01:39:52,400
Speaker 1: is is instantly accessible. It's like the rare one, and

2037
01:39:52,439 --> 01:39:54,600
Speaker 1: it leads to being overplayed on classic rock right or

2038
01:39:54,600 --> 01:39:56,040
Speaker 1: out to the point where you can never appreciate it

2039
01:39:56,080 --> 01:39:58,320
Speaker 1: at the same level again. But the true ones that

2040
01:39:58,360 --> 01:40:01,280
Speaker 1: stick with you the Okay Computer by Radiohead are the

2041
01:40:01,280 --> 01:40:03,760
Speaker 1: ones that you need fifteen to twenty listens to begin

2042
01:40:03,800 --> 01:40:07,240
Speaker 1: to understand the direction of what's actually happening here. Grace

2043
01:40:07,280 --> 01:40:10,040
Speaker 1: by Jeff Buckley was so mature and stood out for

2044
01:40:10,160 --> 01:40:13,120
Speaker 1: its time of nineteen ninety four, which was you know,

2045
01:40:14,120 --> 01:40:19,360
Speaker 1: prime grunge, but this was just damn. I mean it

2046
01:40:19,680 --> 01:40:23,240
Speaker 1: had some levels of like Van Morrison influenced seventies maturity

2047
01:40:23,320 --> 01:40:28,639
Speaker 1: in it, but it's so just musically complex and the lyrics,

2048
01:40:28,640 --> 01:40:31,080
Speaker 1: and obviously people come for the Hallelujah cover that they

2049
01:40:31,120 --> 01:40:34,519
Speaker 1: added in after the fact, but you know, Lover, you

2050
01:40:34,520 --> 01:40:36,240
Speaker 1: should have come over. I mean put that track on

2051
01:40:36,360 --> 01:40:39,439
Speaker 1: right now, right, I mean, good lord, that thing. It's

2052
01:40:39,439 --> 01:40:41,960
Speaker 1: obviously a shame that we never got another one. But

2053
01:40:42,080 --> 01:40:44,880
Speaker 1: you know, you can still listen to his solo live

2054
01:40:44,920 --> 01:40:48,120
Speaker 1: at sign E two CD set if you haven't heard that.

2055
01:40:48,160 --> 01:40:50,599
Speaker 1: It's just him on a solo on an electric guitar,

2056
01:40:51,080 --> 01:40:54,000
Speaker 1: doing like Dylan and Van Morrison covers in his own songs,

2057
01:40:54,000 --> 01:40:58,400
Speaker 1: but somehow creating an orchestra with his own sound. I mean,

2058
01:40:58,439 --> 01:41:02,400
Speaker 1: it's just it's brilliant. Number five on the greatest debut

2059
01:41:02,479 --> 01:41:05,960
Speaker 1: albums in rock history. Try to act like this doesn't

2060
01:41:05,960 --> 01:41:08,160
Speaker 1: belong here. You can't rage against the machine by Raging

2061
01:41:08,200 --> 01:41:11,720
Speaker 1: in the Machine nineteen ninety two. I mean it like law.

2062
01:41:11,800 --> 01:41:16,599
Speaker 1: In some ways, it launched that rock rap crossover, yet

2063
01:41:16,840 --> 01:41:21,680
Speaker 1: never it's weird. It launched it, but in reality, the

2064
01:41:21,800 --> 01:41:24,400
Speaker 1: rock the rap rock crossover sucks. I mean, you know,

2065
01:41:24,400 --> 01:41:27,080
Speaker 1: outside of like Walk This Way Biero Smith or on DMC,

2066
01:41:27,200 --> 01:41:28,559
Speaker 1: that was pretty cool. No, it was. It was one

2067
01:41:28,560 --> 01:41:30,120
Speaker 1: of the best things ever happened. It was awesome, But

2068
01:41:30,479 --> 01:41:32,719
Speaker 1: you know, you can't. You know, I love three eleven.

2069
01:41:32,960 --> 01:41:35,519
Speaker 1: Who can tease that? I love? You know, There's been

2070
01:41:35,560 --> 01:41:37,799
Speaker 1: certain bands that can kind of pull it off. Sometimes

2071
01:41:37,840 --> 01:41:40,680
Speaker 1: they do it more in a sky lane, but you know,

2072
01:41:40,760 --> 01:41:43,080
Speaker 1: the true rap rock mix is largely sucked. I mean,

2073
01:41:43,080 --> 01:41:46,040
Speaker 1: it led to things like Limp Biscuit and other really

2074
01:41:46,040 --> 01:41:48,760
Speaker 1: bad things. But you know, I love that rage kind

2075
01:41:48,760 --> 01:41:51,040
Speaker 1: of started it, but then was never really in it.

2076
01:41:51,080 --> 01:41:55,599
Speaker 1: And stood separate from it. But there's very few records

2077
01:41:55,640 --> 01:41:58,160
Speaker 1: you'll ever put on that. I mean I talked about

2078
01:41:58,240 --> 01:42:01,479
Speaker 1: higher learning, right act, Like when you saw higher learning

2079
01:42:01,720 --> 01:42:06,599
Speaker 1: or or what's that? Uh do the right thing from

2080
01:42:06,640 --> 01:42:08,320
Speaker 1: Spike Lee. When you saw that for the first time,

2081
01:42:08,360 --> 01:42:11,040
Speaker 1: as like a suburban teenage white kid, You're like, oh

2082
01:42:11,120 --> 01:42:14,120
Speaker 1: my god, Like that was like powerful, Like what do

2083
01:42:14,160 --> 01:42:16,799
Speaker 1: I do after that? Right? That's kind of what happened

2084
01:42:16,800 --> 01:42:18,599
Speaker 1: after listening to this CD for the first time. Remember,

2085
01:42:18,600 --> 01:42:20,559
Speaker 1: my dad bought it before anyone had even heard of

2086
01:42:20,560 --> 01:42:23,679
Speaker 1: this band. He went down to Strawberries and Naugato, Conecticut

2087
01:42:23,720 --> 01:42:26,040
Speaker 1: shout Out and he bought it and he played it

2088
01:42:26,160 --> 01:42:28,720
Speaker 1: at full volume in my basement every day for like

2089
01:42:28,760 --> 01:42:30,680
Speaker 1: the next year. I mean it was in you know,

2090
01:42:30,760 --> 01:42:33,559
Speaker 1: my swim team, Naugata Kai used it as a rally

2091
01:42:33,600 --> 01:42:36,320
Speaker 1: and craw cry. They made these giant banners that wrote

2092
01:42:36,360 --> 01:42:38,800
Speaker 1: war and Die on them, and you know it caused

2093
01:42:38,800 --> 01:42:41,160
Speaker 1: the parents of the opposing teams to be outraged. Well,

2094
01:42:41,400 --> 01:42:44,360
Speaker 1: this Mohawks swim team came in and dominated them, fueled

2095
01:42:44,400 --> 01:42:50,280
Speaker 1: by this this album. But it's it's it was never cliche,

2096
01:42:50,439 --> 01:42:54,680
Speaker 1: even though it's like extreme rap, rock, metal, with a

2097
01:42:54,680 --> 01:42:58,040
Speaker 1: lot of profanity that becomes an anthem in so many

2098
01:42:58,080 --> 01:43:01,080
Speaker 1: youths lives, you know, like even I Won't Do what

2099
01:43:01,160 --> 01:43:03,960
Speaker 1: You tell Me and all the other great ones. It

2100
01:43:04,560 --> 01:43:08,040
Speaker 1: it's never been reduced to that because it's so damn

2101
01:43:08,240 --> 01:43:13,719
Speaker 1: brilliant from Tom Morello's guitar, you know, songwriting guitar licks

2102
01:43:13,840 --> 01:43:19,960
Speaker 1: to obviously Zach Daler Roach's timely political poetry, which is,

2103
01:43:20,080 --> 01:43:22,600
Speaker 1: you know, the last thing I want in music, you know,

2104
01:43:22,640 --> 01:43:24,240
Speaker 1: I mean, I like Bob Dylan blowing in the wind.

2105
01:43:24,280 --> 01:43:26,759
Speaker 1: You know, I get, I get that whole that whole movement.

2106
01:43:26,840 --> 01:43:30,479
Speaker 1: You know, I get that. You know, even Crosby stills

2107
01:43:30,520 --> 01:43:32,679
Speaker 1: an ash, I get when it matters when you cross

2108
01:43:32,720 --> 01:43:34,880
Speaker 1: over and can make a political statement in art and

2109
01:43:34,920 --> 01:43:37,040
Speaker 1: that it can mean something. Pro jam forever has tried

2110
01:43:37,080 --> 01:43:39,080
Speaker 1: to do that, you know, put their politics first, and

2111
01:43:39,080 --> 01:43:40,600
Speaker 1: that I just don't want that in my music, you

2112
01:43:40,600 --> 01:43:42,280
Speaker 1: know what I mean. It's like when people don't want

2113
01:43:42,280 --> 01:43:43,920
Speaker 1: that in their UFC. Right, So we're not going to

2114
01:43:43,960 --> 01:43:47,040
Speaker 1: talk about that on the broadcast. But Rage made it cool.

2115
01:43:47,080 --> 01:43:49,760
Speaker 1: They made everything cool. They were scary, were scary. It

2116
01:43:49,840 --> 01:43:51,479
Speaker 1: was so scary. I mean, people that went to the

2117
01:43:51,560 --> 01:43:53,880
Speaker 1: Rage wu Tang concert in nineteen ninety seven and Hard

2118
01:43:53,880 --> 01:43:55,680
Speaker 1: for Connecticut or ninety eight whatever that was, and the

2119
01:43:55,720 --> 01:43:57,759
Speaker 1: place burnt down. They you know, they know the power

2120
01:43:57,800 --> 01:44:00,479
Speaker 1: of that. But also the record stole up to this

2121
01:44:00,600 --> 01:44:02,559
Speaker 1: day and that was their debut. Are you kidding me?

2122
01:44:03,200 --> 01:44:05,760
Speaker 1: Number four? This is what this list has been made for.

2123
01:44:05,840 --> 01:44:08,400
Speaker 1: Records like this nineteen sixty seven The Velvet Underground and

2124
01:44:08,439 --> 01:44:13,200
Speaker 1: Nico by the Velvet Underground. Talk about changing a genre,

2125
01:44:13,280 --> 01:44:16,519
Speaker 1: talking about you know, talking. I mean, that's sixty seven

2126
01:44:16,680 --> 01:44:20,200
Speaker 1: is the Summer of Love, but that's also prime psychedelic

2127
01:44:20,320 --> 01:44:22,880
Speaker 1: rock era. I mean, there was a couple of year

2128
01:44:22,960 --> 01:44:27,639
Speaker 1: stretch there. It first started in the pop lanes think Beatles,

2129
01:44:27,720 --> 01:44:31,719
Speaker 1: Roll Stones, the Birds, but it's extended eventually out into

2130
01:44:31,720 --> 01:44:34,200
Speaker 1: more harder rock and progressive rock. But there was a

2131
01:44:34,320 --> 01:44:39,280
Speaker 1: run there where that psychedelic rock scene was just incredible

2132
01:44:39,320 --> 01:44:42,080
Speaker 1: and so experimental and so unique. I'm still buying the

2133
01:44:42,120 --> 01:44:44,439
Speaker 1: vinyl today of these bands, some that you've never heard over,

2134
01:44:44,520 --> 01:44:46,599
Speaker 1: some that you have, but like the Birds, like if

2135
01:44:46,600 --> 01:44:54,280
Speaker 1: you don't know about Sorry, Between the Buttons by the

2136
01:44:54,360 --> 01:44:56,360
Speaker 1: Rolling Stones is the reference I wanted to make there.

2137
01:44:56,400 --> 01:44:59,000
Speaker 1: And then simultaneously at that time, the Birds come out

2138
01:44:59,080 --> 01:45:02,960
Speaker 1: with It's it's one of the greatest albums of all time,

2139
01:45:03,000 --> 01:45:06,519
Speaker 1: and it's it's racking my brain at the moment. The

2140
01:45:06,560 --> 01:45:10,799
Speaker 1: Notorious Bird Brothers. You know, there's just so much going

2141
01:45:10,840 --> 01:45:14,599
Speaker 1: on there and this crossovers of psychedelic rock and folk

2142
01:45:14,640 --> 01:45:17,320
Speaker 1: and what they're doing. But in nineteen sixty seven something

2143
01:45:17,360 --> 01:45:19,040
Speaker 1: came out that was you know, sixty seven is also

2144
01:45:19,080 --> 01:45:20,920
Speaker 1: Sergeant Pepper by the way, so we're talking about a

2145
01:45:21,000 --> 01:45:24,479
Speaker 1: major era of change in popular music. And then the

2146
01:45:24,560 --> 01:45:27,360
Speaker 1: Velvet Underground and Eco comes in and you're like, there's

2147
01:45:27,400 --> 01:45:29,080
Speaker 1: just you know, it's about rage against the machine sort

2148
01:45:29,080 --> 01:45:32,240
Speaker 1: of being like, sounds like nothing else ever, This debut

2149
01:45:32,240 --> 01:45:34,680
Speaker 1: album sounds like nothing else ever. I mean, even the

2150
01:45:34,680 --> 01:45:37,360
Speaker 1: band changed there. I mean this, you know, White Light

2151
01:45:37,360 --> 01:45:39,760
Speaker 1: White Heat is probably the closest to this album in

2152
01:45:39,840 --> 01:45:43,320
Speaker 1: terms of the experimental of it in the Velvet Short catalog.

2153
01:45:43,479 --> 01:45:48,200
Speaker 1: But nothing hits like this. This is abstract and jarring

2154
01:45:48,320 --> 01:45:50,559
Speaker 1: to listen to, you know, I mean, put on put

2155
01:45:50,600 --> 01:45:53,040
Speaker 1: on heroin, but I mean put on that song and

2156
01:45:53,080 --> 01:45:56,960
Speaker 1: listen and feel what it's what it's probably like, I mean, damn,

2157
01:45:57,040 --> 01:45:59,280
Speaker 1: And then you add in and Eco's just bizarre. But

2158
01:45:59,320 --> 01:46:03,280
Speaker 1: beautiful volte goals. On top of that, It's It's Yeah.

2159
01:46:03,360 --> 01:46:06,160
Speaker 1: Number three is another self titled one, how about let

2160
01:46:06,200 --> 01:46:08,639
Speaker 1: me forget about this in the pantheon to some degree

2161
01:46:08,640 --> 01:46:10,960
Speaker 1: about how great it actually is. Nineteen sixty nine, their

2162
01:46:11,000 --> 01:46:18,200
Speaker 1: first Crosby Still's a Nash record, self titled it Gets Forgotten,

2163
01:46:18,280 --> 01:46:20,160
Speaker 1: not forgotten of its greatness, but it's it's like it

2164
01:46:20,160 --> 01:46:22,240
Speaker 1: produced so many radio hits, it's just sort of like, oh,

2165
01:46:22,240 --> 01:46:23,960
Speaker 1: I know what that is. But then you go back

2166
01:46:24,000 --> 01:46:25,680
Speaker 1: and put it on and realize that this is one

2167
01:46:25,680 --> 01:46:29,200
Speaker 1: of rock's first true supergroups. And you know, three guys

2168
01:46:29,200 --> 01:46:32,560
Speaker 1: from such different bands, the Birds, Buffalo, Springfield and the

2169
01:46:32,560 --> 01:46:37,960
Speaker 1: Holly's coming together. They produced obviously magic in the way

2170
01:46:38,000 --> 01:46:41,880
Speaker 1: that they sang their harmonies, mixed with Stephen Still's incredible

2171
01:46:41,920 --> 01:46:46,080
Speaker 1: band leadership in terms of being a maniacal songwriter. And

2172
01:46:46,200 --> 01:46:48,080
Speaker 1: you know, somebody who would forced the studio to be

2173
01:46:48,120 --> 01:46:50,120
Speaker 1: open twenty four hours a day, wouldn't sleep for three days,

2174
01:46:50,160 --> 01:46:52,439
Speaker 1: and just I mean, he's you want more on Steven Stills,

2175
01:46:52,520 --> 01:46:54,960
Speaker 1: check out they Double Monassis. That might change your life.

2176
01:46:55,000 --> 01:46:58,080
Speaker 1: But Stephen Stills was the you know, the brains behind it.

2177
01:46:58,680 --> 01:47:01,479
Speaker 1: Yet there's purpose in the song, you know, from that

2178
01:47:01,520 --> 01:47:05,840
Speaker 1: political protest sort of crossover. There's incredible harmonies that they're

2179
01:47:05,840 --> 01:47:09,280
Speaker 1: known for, but the song structures from a popcraft are

2180
01:47:09,439 --> 01:47:11,200
Speaker 1: just next level and different. I mean, look at Sweet

2181
01:47:11,240 --> 01:47:13,519
Speaker 1: Judy Blue Eyes, right, there's a lot going on there

2182
01:47:13,560 --> 01:47:16,599
Speaker 1: that it's not your dad's record, you know what I mean.

2183
01:47:16,640 --> 01:47:18,840
Speaker 1: It is probably from your dad's collection like mine is.

2184
01:47:18,880 --> 01:47:22,120
Speaker 1: But you go put that on, you know, think of

2185
01:47:22,520 --> 01:47:26,160
Speaker 1: Marrakesh Express, think of you know, Gwenevere, think of all Dude,

2186
01:47:27,080 --> 01:47:32,280
Speaker 1: Deep Deep, Deep, number two. It's hard not to put

2187
01:47:32,280 --> 01:47:34,840
Speaker 1: this number one. This is the greatest album of the

2188
01:47:34,920 --> 01:47:37,920
Speaker 1: nineteen nineties. Fight me over it. It's ten by Pearl Jam,

2189
01:47:38,000 --> 01:47:40,040
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety one. And it took a while for this

2190
01:47:40,080 --> 01:47:41,920
Speaker 1: to really hit. I mean, I didn't remember. I don't know.

2191
01:47:41,960 --> 01:47:44,639
Speaker 1: The first time I heard it was like early ninety three,

2192
01:47:45,320 --> 01:47:47,160
Speaker 1: and maybe I'm wrong on that timeline, maybe it's late

2193
01:47:47,200 --> 01:47:49,840
Speaker 1: ninety two. But the whole point is it took a bit.

2194
01:47:50,320 --> 01:47:52,840
Speaker 1: But you know, there's very few albums I can tell

2195
01:47:52,880 --> 01:47:55,599
Speaker 1: you I remember where I was, who I was with,

2196
01:47:56,000 --> 01:47:57,880
Speaker 1: and what it felt like the first two or three

2197
01:47:57,880 --> 01:47:59,479
Speaker 1: times I heard this, and this was in the back

2198
01:47:59,520 --> 01:48:03,200
Speaker 1: of Rich Brennia's tiny geometro wherever the hell he drove

2199
01:48:04,320 --> 01:48:06,519
Speaker 1: on the way home from school. You know, I you know,

2200
01:48:06,560 --> 01:48:08,760
Speaker 1: I was a freshman and I was walking from the

2201
01:48:08,800 --> 01:48:10,320
Speaker 1: bus stop and the bus stop was like a mile

2202
01:48:10,360 --> 01:48:11,840
Speaker 1: and a half away from my house, and it was

2203
01:48:11,880 --> 01:48:13,400
Speaker 1: you know, it was lame. And they come riding by

2204
01:48:13,439 --> 01:48:14,920
Speaker 1: and they're like, yo, you want to ride them? Like, yeah,

2205
01:48:14,920 --> 01:48:16,759
Speaker 1: the cool kids do. Of course I want to ride

2206
01:48:17,560 --> 01:48:20,240
Speaker 1: hop in the back. And then they got you. Normally

2207
01:48:20,280 --> 01:48:22,120
Speaker 1: you'd be listening to the Jerky boys, but instead that

2208
01:48:22,200 --> 01:48:24,240
Speaker 1: day they put on Pearl ten by Pro Jam and

2209
01:48:24,320 --> 01:48:28,160
Speaker 1: jacked it up. And I remember, like Peo pulled the

2210
01:48:28,160 --> 01:48:29,920
Speaker 1: car over and we sat there for like forty five

2211
01:48:29,960 --> 01:48:31,400
Speaker 1: minutes and just listened to it. Didn't say a word

2212
01:48:31,439 --> 01:48:33,000
Speaker 1: to each other, and just kind of rocked out, and

2213
01:48:33,040 --> 01:48:34,840
Speaker 1: you know, and it's like, you know, I did that

2214
01:48:34,840 --> 01:48:36,679
Speaker 1: to Abby Road before in a crowd full of people,

2215
01:48:36,800 --> 01:48:39,160
Speaker 1: but it's rare when that happens. It's sort of this collective,

2216
01:48:39,280 --> 01:48:41,519
Speaker 1: like this art is in front of us, and also

2217
01:48:41,560 --> 01:48:43,559
Speaker 1: people are like, oh, yeah, pearl jamble, but no, really

2218
01:48:43,640 --> 01:48:45,280
Speaker 1: go back and put this on. You know, this is

2219
01:48:46,920 --> 01:48:48,439
Speaker 1: it's weird, Pearl jam It's like one of the most

2220
01:48:48,560 --> 01:48:51,080
Speaker 1: enduring modern rock bands. Like they're still as great live

2221
01:48:51,080 --> 01:48:52,800
Speaker 1: as they've ever been. There's still when they come out

2222
01:48:52,840 --> 01:48:56,720
Speaker 1: with new records, like they're good. But we think of

2223
01:48:56,760 --> 01:48:59,639
Speaker 1: them in the encapsulation largely of the first three albums

2224
01:48:59,680 --> 01:49:01,519
Speaker 1: because of how much they were in our face on

2225
01:49:01,720 --> 01:49:04,120
Speaker 1: radio and MTV and all that. And you know, they

2226
01:49:04,240 --> 01:49:07,200
Speaker 1: fought Ticketmaster. I mean, there's a lot there, but sometimes

2227
01:49:07,200 --> 01:49:10,640
Speaker 1: you can forget the powerful statement that this first record was.

2228
01:49:10,720 --> 01:49:14,160
Speaker 1: I mean, it's the most emotional record in rock history

2229
01:49:14,439 --> 01:49:17,160
Speaker 1: in my opinion. I think that's because of what Eddie

2230
01:49:17,200 --> 01:49:19,799
Speaker 1: Vedder poured into the singing, where the voice, the vocals

2231
01:49:19,840 --> 01:49:22,679
Speaker 1: became an instrument that was almost better than McCready's incredible

2232
01:49:22,720 --> 01:49:27,000
Speaker 1: guitar work. And and there's you know, there's longing. There's

2233
01:49:27,080 --> 01:49:30,960
Speaker 1: longing in these lyrics. It's like, I don't know, would

2234
01:49:30,960 --> 01:49:36,599
Speaker 1: you rather have a would you? For as much as

2235
01:49:36,840 --> 01:49:41,000
Speaker 1: Pro Jam has sustained almost on the Rolling Stones like level,

2236
01:49:42,439 --> 01:49:44,719
Speaker 1: they never did something like this again. They've got great

2237
01:49:44,960 --> 01:49:47,559
Speaker 1: They've had great records since I mean a Verses Vitality.

2238
01:49:47,600 --> 01:49:49,320
Speaker 1: I mean, they have no cult. Some people love Yield,

2239
01:49:49,640 --> 01:49:51,479
Speaker 1: I know, real Pro Jam fans, they kind of have

2240
01:49:51,520 --> 01:49:55,400
Speaker 1: tattoos on their body that are like, no, Yield's really

2241
01:49:55,439 --> 01:49:57,519
Speaker 1: the best one. It's like, Okay, that's cool. Maybe I mean,

2242
01:49:57,520 --> 01:49:59,280
Speaker 1: maybe I'm not as hardcore as you. Maybe I'm not,

2243
01:50:00,560 --> 01:50:02,640
Speaker 1: but I know how ten made me feel, and I

2244
01:50:02,640 --> 01:50:04,559
Speaker 1: know it still makes me feel like that today. And

2245
01:50:04,720 --> 01:50:08,000
Speaker 1: sometimes you know, they never they never bested that, and

2246
01:50:08,040 --> 01:50:10,320
Speaker 1: to their credit, they've stayed around and evolved and still

2247
01:50:10,320 --> 01:50:14,040
Speaker 1: put out great content. I never bested that. That's that's anngst,

2248
01:50:14,080 --> 01:50:17,439
Speaker 1: that's years of grinding, that's running you know, that's how

2249
01:50:17,439 --> 01:50:19,920
Speaker 1: do I this past that shaped me? But it's also

2250
01:50:20,000 --> 01:50:23,160
Speaker 1: haunting me. How do I express what this has done

2251
01:50:23,200 --> 01:50:26,479
Speaker 1: to me and how I feel? I mean, And even

2252
01:50:26,520 --> 01:50:30,240
Speaker 1: though it's it's linked at times in that Seattle scene

2253
01:50:30,240 --> 01:50:32,920
Speaker 1: with Nirvana, who gets credit for kind of launching and

2254
01:50:33,000 --> 01:50:36,479
Speaker 1: changing grunge, and they did with their second album Smells

2255
01:50:36,479 --> 01:50:38,960
Speaker 1: like Teen Spirit and they and they just did something

2256
01:50:39,040 --> 01:50:42,280
Speaker 1: so drastic, right, like a Sergeant Pepper level of shift

2257
01:50:42,360 --> 01:50:44,040
Speaker 1: change in the music scene they did. And I know

2258
01:50:44,040 --> 01:50:45,800
Speaker 1: Pearl Jam and Song Garden all get linked with that,

2259
01:50:45,840 --> 01:50:48,639
Speaker 1: But Pearl Jam's rock to me sounds even though it's

2260
01:50:48,760 --> 01:50:53,080
Speaker 1: firmly in grunge it's also classic. It has a classic

2261
01:50:53,200 --> 01:50:56,639
Speaker 1: rock element to it, and that's pure emotion, that's great

2262
01:50:56,680 --> 01:51:00,400
Speaker 1: guitar work, that's yeah. And then finally we went basicly

2263
01:51:00,400 --> 01:51:02,240
Speaker 1: going deep on here. Sorry, if you if you're into

2264
01:51:02,280 --> 01:51:04,320
Speaker 1: the rock, you're you're into this, you may have checked

2265
01:51:04,320 --> 01:51:06,479
Speaker 1: out a while ago once I stopped talking about Max Holloway.

2266
01:51:06,800 --> 01:51:09,440
Speaker 1: But number one, you're talking about the greatest Hits album

2267
01:51:10,520 --> 01:51:14,360
Speaker 1: in their first album nineteen sixty seven, right, all that

2268
01:51:14,360 --> 01:51:16,400
Speaker 1: that year that all that changed and all the psychedelic

2269
01:51:16,560 --> 01:51:19,280
Speaker 1: rock and everything happened and the Velvet Underground and Nico, well, yeah,

2270
01:51:19,280 --> 01:51:21,879
Speaker 1: there was also are you experienced by the Jimmy Hendricks experience?

2271
01:51:22,400 --> 01:51:24,479
Speaker 1: And this is also a record because it's a great,

2272
01:51:24,560 --> 01:51:28,960
Speaker 1: veritable greatest Hits that we tend sometimes to go you know,

2273
01:51:29,040 --> 01:51:30,200
Speaker 1: is it really that great? I mean, I know all

2274
01:51:30,200 --> 01:51:32,479
Speaker 1: those tracks I've heard million times? No, no, really from

2275
01:51:32,560 --> 01:51:35,840
Speaker 1: start to finish? Is that? I mean? How how mature

2276
01:51:36,400 --> 01:51:40,240
Speaker 1: is that? You know? How mature is that? It's it's

2277
01:51:40,560 --> 01:51:46,000
Speaker 1: groundbreaking in psych, in psychedelic rock. Yet Hendricks was such

2278
01:51:46,040 --> 01:51:49,120
Speaker 1: a massive Dylan fan that it's you know, it's also

2279
01:51:49,200 --> 01:51:53,479
Speaker 1: introspective at times, and it's and talk about a power trio.

2280
01:51:53,680 --> 01:51:56,880
Speaker 1: You know, we think of cream, we think of you know,

2281
01:51:57,080 --> 01:51:59,400
Speaker 1: Grand Funk Railroad, we think of some of these. I mean,

2282
01:51:59,520 --> 01:52:01,479
Speaker 1: how about the this is a pow Or trio. They

2283
01:52:01,479 --> 01:52:04,320
Speaker 1: could do popcraft, they could do psychedelic, they could do

2284
01:52:04,400 --> 01:52:08,760
Speaker 1: real blues. They that this is This is among the

2285
01:52:08,760 --> 01:52:10,479
Speaker 1: greatest records of all time, and I think it's the

2286
01:52:10,520 --> 01:52:13,559
Speaker 1: greatest record by a debuting artist in rock history. Hit

2287
01:52:13,600 --> 01:52:15,519
Speaker 1: me in the comments if you think differently. I'm sure

2288
01:52:15,560 --> 01:52:20,080
Speaker 1: Cannibal Corpses first record is probably really good, right yeah, Baby?

2289
01:52:20,760 --> 01:52:24,160
Speaker 1: To close here, what do we got PJ hay Seven's

2290
01:52:24,240 --> 01:52:26,439
Speaker 1: is BC. What would a dream celebrity dinner be for

2291
01:52:26,520 --> 01:52:28,720
Speaker 1: you and your sons, someone you would all want to

2292
01:52:28,760 --> 01:52:32,160
Speaker 1: hang out with. That's a cool question. I would have

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Speaker 1: to say. The only person that really maybe intersects between

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01:52:35,280 --> 01:52:37,160
Speaker 1: me and my two twin sons, who are very different

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01:52:37,200 --> 01:52:40,880
Speaker 1: in personality and everything, might be Arnold Schwarzenegger, because I

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01:52:40,880 --> 01:52:42,960
Speaker 1: did get them into the Arnold genre. And one of

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01:52:43,000 --> 01:52:46,080
Speaker 1: my sons is like writes papers in middle school about

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01:52:46,080 --> 01:52:49,360
Speaker 1: how Arnold's hero and stuff and that's awesome. And this

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01:52:49,439 --> 01:52:51,439
Speaker 1: is my same son, Isaac, who of course met Usain

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01:52:51,479 --> 01:52:53,080
Speaker 1: Bowl and we all got to meet him and sit

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01:52:53,120 --> 01:52:54,759
Speaker 1: down with them and that was a life changing experience.

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01:52:54,800 --> 01:52:57,439
Speaker 1: Through Kids Wish Network shout out we did that. But

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01:52:57,920 --> 01:53:01,400
Speaker 1: I would think Arnolds because he told Twisch Network that

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01:53:02,600 --> 01:53:05,080
Speaker 1: it would be either Usain Bold or Orald Schwartzenegger, Like

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01:53:05,400 --> 01:53:07,439
Speaker 1: that's who we picked. I think that would be a

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01:53:07,439 --> 01:53:10,400
Speaker 1: big hit from there though it's hard to intersect completely.

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01:53:11,320 --> 01:53:13,720
Speaker 1: But my kids love that dude, mister beast, you know,

2308
01:53:13,760 --> 01:53:15,519
Speaker 1: like I gives all that money away on YouTube and

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01:53:15,560 --> 01:53:17,840
Speaker 1: makes those weird videos. I'm sure they love that, and

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01:53:17,840 --> 01:53:19,880
Speaker 1: I'd love to see them pop for that. But you know,

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01:53:19,880 --> 01:53:22,840
Speaker 1: it wouldn't be a it wouldn't be a rock music

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01:53:22,840 --> 01:53:25,120
Speaker 1: guy or anything like that. Although I'm taking my son

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01:53:25,160 --> 01:53:27,920
Speaker 1: Isaac was a big music fan, of rock and roll fan,

2314
01:53:27,960 --> 01:53:32,640
Speaker 1: to his first concert ever this June. It's gonna be

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01:53:32,680 --> 01:53:36,720
Speaker 1: my morning jacket back in the Tennis Arena in West Haven, Connecticut,

2316
01:53:36,800 --> 01:53:39,760
Speaker 1: which produced the greatest concert I've ever seen last year.

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01:53:39,800 --> 01:53:44,519
Speaker 1: So I am a smitten Pops to say the very least. Finally,

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01:53:44,560 --> 01:53:46,360
Speaker 1: the last question that they're giving me here is from

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01:53:46,479 --> 01:53:49,559
Speaker 1: Niepawn ninety one B. See, if luke was a kind

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01:53:49,600 --> 01:53:53,599
Speaker 1: of food, what kind of food would he be well,

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01:53:55,280 --> 01:53:59,559
Speaker 1: he'd be both spicy and hard to cut through. He'd

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01:53:59,560 --> 01:54:06,520
Speaker 1: be highly he'd be highly rated by the hipster minority,

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01:54:06,600 --> 01:54:09,400
Speaker 1: but probably hated by everybody else, and he'd be arguably

2324
01:54:09,439 --> 01:54:14,679
Speaker 1: telling you why that food is truly the best. Yeah.

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01:54:14,800 --> 01:54:19,120
Speaker 1: I mean, Luke's a big, smart piece of meat who's opinionated.

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01:54:19,360 --> 01:54:22,240
Speaker 1: And can we make that into a into a food

2327
01:54:22,280 --> 01:54:25,080
Speaker 1: that makes sense? Probably not, But I love Luke Thomas

2328
01:54:25,160 --> 01:54:28,080
Speaker 1: just the same. Mikey's offering crab leg hard to break

2329
01:54:28,080 --> 01:54:31,080
Speaker 1: a shell, but soft on the inside once you do. Wow,

2330
01:54:31,320 --> 01:54:33,480
Speaker 1: like that, Mikey, there was a winner right there. Yeah,

2331
01:54:33,480 --> 01:54:35,040
Speaker 1: it looks a little bit of a crab leg there.

2332
01:54:36,440 --> 01:54:38,640
Speaker 1: People sometimes hit me in the DMS, like you do

2333
01:54:38,640 --> 01:54:40,280
Speaker 1: you really hate Luke? Does you really hate you? Is

2334
01:54:40,320 --> 01:54:42,200
Speaker 1: this show really gonna end? The show is not gonna end?

2335
01:54:42,200 --> 01:54:45,040
Speaker 1: All right? Luke's Luke does have a contract renul this summer.

2336
01:54:45,040 --> 01:54:48,000
Speaker 1: Hopefully everything goes goes to speed and I'm up next year.

2337
01:54:48,040 --> 01:54:50,320
Speaker 1: But uh, we love it here. We're doing great work.

2338
01:54:50,440 --> 01:54:52,960
Speaker 1: Are we brothers and arms in this game? Which means

2339
01:54:53,000 --> 01:54:56,040
Speaker 1: sometimes you know, we piss each other off? Yes, sometimes

2340
01:54:56,040 --> 01:54:58,840
Speaker 1: we cross each other's non negotiables and big ways but

2341
01:54:58,920 --> 01:55:02,240
Speaker 1: that's also the damn show people. Okay, that's also the

2342
01:55:02,320 --> 01:55:04,920
Speaker 1: damn show. That's sometimes I'm not gonna lie to you.

2343
01:55:05,320 --> 01:55:07,320
Speaker 1: Sometimes Luke wants to hang out too much, and I'm

2344
01:55:07,320 --> 01:55:09,520
Speaker 1: not trying to stiff arm him because I don't want

2345
01:55:09,560 --> 01:55:12,440
Speaker 1: to be his friend. I do, we are friends, But

2346
01:55:12,480 --> 01:55:17,240
Speaker 1: I'm trying to retain the dynamic of this show. Why

2347
01:55:17,440 --> 01:55:19,760
Speaker 1: because something changed and saved by the bell where Zach

2348
01:55:19,840 --> 01:55:23,520
Speaker 1: and Slater stop being rivals chasing after Kelly and trying

2349
01:55:23,520 --> 01:55:27,880
Speaker 1: to rule the school and teamed up. Still a great show, right,

2350
01:55:28,240 --> 01:55:31,480
Speaker 1: didn't have that edge. I'm not losing the edge that

2351
01:55:31,520 --> 01:55:33,280
Speaker 1: makes this show just to hang out with Luke in

2352
01:55:33,320 --> 01:55:36,240
Speaker 1: his room in order to Luke does the most peculiar

2353
01:55:36,240 --> 01:55:38,960
Speaker 1: thing ever. When he gets takeout food. He gets two

2354
01:55:39,000 --> 01:55:42,000
Speaker 1: to three main entres, pays for himself. I don't know

2355
01:55:42,040 --> 01:55:45,560
Speaker 1: if he expenses it each, waits until they're cold, then

2356
01:55:45,640 --> 01:55:50,720
Speaker 1: eats like half of one and throws the rest away easy.

2357
01:55:51,120 --> 01:55:53,200
Speaker 1: That's what Luke Thomas. I bet I got some, you know,

2358
01:55:53,240 --> 01:55:55,160
Speaker 1: I mean I got really gross toes, right, I mean

2359
01:55:55,160 --> 01:55:57,920
Speaker 1: that's another topic altogether, all right. Thank you to Mikey

2360
01:55:57,920 --> 01:55:59,680
Speaker 1: Morman on the ones and twos behind the scenes. Luke

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01:56:00,080 --> 01:56:05,360
Speaker 1: Leave will be back next week after Tank versus Ryan

2362
01:56:05,400 --> 01:56:08,480
Speaker 1: on Showtime pay per View Saturday Night. But here's the deal.

2363
01:56:09,440 --> 01:56:13,560
Speaker 1: Set to fly out to Las Vegas this week and

2364
01:56:14,320 --> 01:56:17,200
Speaker 1: if all goes well, it's gonna be and I arrived there,

2365
01:56:17,200 --> 01:56:20,280
Speaker 1: it's gonna be spectacular. It's Tank Davis versus Ryan Garcia

2366
01:56:20,320 --> 01:56:22,480
Speaker 1: Saturday night, Showtime pay per View. I will be on

2367
01:56:22,520 --> 01:56:26,120
Speaker 1: the ground in Vegas for live morning Combat episodes with

2368
01:56:26,240 --> 01:56:30,440
Speaker 1: special guests on both Wednesday and Friday. I believe we

2369
01:56:30,480 --> 01:56:33,320
Speaker 1: have a studio too. Mikey Morms is gonna be with

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01:56:33,360 --> 01:56:36,720
Speaker 1: me there. And then also, don't forget we have a

2371
01:56:36,760 --> 01:56:39,800
Speaker 1: Thursday press conference for Tank and King Ryan, a Friday

2372
01:56:39,840 --> 01:56:46,000
Speaker 1: Way and Saturday prelims on the Showtime Sports YouTube channel.

2373
01:56:46,360 --> 01:56:49,360
Speaker 1: Nolu Thomas this week because he's visiting with family having

2374
01:56:49,400 --> 01:56:55,040
Speaker 1: a great time. But your boy BC, Ariel Hawani and

2375
01:56:55,240 --> 01:56:57,680
Speaker 1: Kate Abdoll are you kidding me? What kind of trio

2376
01:56:57,800 --> 01:56:59,640
Speaker 1: is this? I don't know, maybe the greatest of all time.

2377
01:56:59,840 --> 01:57:01,520
Speaker 1: You got to tune in to see. This is gonna

2378
01:57:01,560 --> 01:57:04,520
Speaker 1: be a wild mix. But yeah, Thursday's press or Friday's

2379
01:57:04,560 --> 01:57:07,480
Speaker 1: Way and Saturdayday's prelims and the showtime pay per view

2380
01:57:07,560 --> 01:57:10,920
Speaker 1: countdown show. Can't wait, guys, I thought I was gonna

2381
01:57:10,920 --> 01:57:12,480
Speaker 1: get into the fight this week. Didn't get a chance

2382
01:57:12,520 --> 01:57:15,160
Speaker 1: to end this episode today because I babbled too much

2383
01:57:15,240 --> 01:57:18,560
Speaker 1: about rock and roll. But this whole week is gonna

2384
01:57:18,560 --> 01:57:20,920
Speaker 1: be Tank versus Ryan. So yes, we're gonna preview the

2385
01:57:21,040 --> 01:57:24,560
Speaker 1: UFC heavyweight match this weekend, and Bellatore has two good

2386
01:57:24,640 --> 01:57:28,960
Speaker 1: looking cards from Hawaii, including titles at stake and some

2387
01:57:29,000 --> 01:57:31,280
Speaker 1: things you definitely have to focus on and watch for,

2388
01:57:31,400 --> 01:57:34,200
Speaker 1: and we'll cover that. But you can go to YouTube

2389
01:57:34,240 --> 01:57:36,600
Speaker 1: dot com slash Morning Combat for all the bonus this week.

2390
01:57:36,680 --> 01:57:39,600
Speaker 1: Right now, you can check out Luke Thomas's dissected of

2391
01:57:39,680 --> 01:57:43,960
Speaker 1: Givante Tank Davis, which is fantastic. Interviews to Calm as

2392
01:57:44,000 --> 01:57:47,320
Speaker 1: well this week and a lot more so don't miss it.

2393
01:57:47,680 --> 01:57:49,560
Speaker 1: Thank you guys for tuning in if you did the

2394
01:57:49,600 --> 01:57:53,320
Speaker 1: full two hours. Sometimes the BC live check could hit

2395
01:57:53,320 --> 01:57:55,600
Speaker 1: you right in the field, spot right. Sometimes it makes

2396
01:57:55,640 --> 01:57:57,760
Speaker 1: you right in the comments that you can't wait for

2397
01:57:57,840 --> 01:58:00,520
Speaker 1: Luke to come back. But either way, you guys are

2398
01:58:00,560 --> 01:58:03,520
Speaker 1: here because you want to be, apparently, and because of that,

2399
01:58:03,640 --> 01:58:07,240
Speaker 1: you've made us the best sports Podcast once again. Thank

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01:58:07,280 --> 01:58:09,560
Speaker 1: you Sports Podcast Group, Thank you to the fans for

2401
01:58:09,640 --> 01:58:15,200
Speaker 1: voting us in take care of yourselfs. So all right, yeah,

2402
01:58:15,200 --> 01:58:17,680
Speaker 1: I think that's about it. I'm BC. I'm signing off

2403
01:58:18,080 --> 01:58:20,760
Speaker 1: all your hoes. They won't stay loyal, you know. But

2404
01:58:20,920 --> 01:58:23,240
Speaker 1: you knew that coming in, right, That's the price you

2405
01:58:23,360 --> 01:58:26,680
Speaker 1: pay in this game. Batch. But I am Brian Campbell,

2406
01:58:26,680 --> 01:58:29,680
Speaker 1: and I'm telling you to take care of it upstairs first. Okay,

2407
01:58:30,080 --> 01:58:32,000
Speaker 1: it's okay to put yourself first once in a while,

2408
01:58:32,040 --> 01:58:34,840
Speaker 1: all right, talk to somebody. It's okay. Look, life will

2409
01:58:34,880 --> 01:58:36,560
Speaker 1: kick you right in the stick, al righty. You know,

2410
01:58:36,600 --> 01:58:38,720
Speaker 1: whether you let it or not, they'll find a way

2411
01:58:38,760 --> 01:58:42,720
Speaker 1: to get there, like Caratanov versus Mittrione one. But there

2412
01:58:42,720 --> 01:58:44,640
Speaker 1: are always around it in this life. Okay. It's never

2413
01:58:44,640 --> 01:58:46,400
Speaker 1: too late to make a big comeback. Yeah, I'm looking

2414
01:58:46,440 --> 01:58:51,680
Speaker 1: at you. Is it your time? Are you coming on?

2415
01:58:53,160 --> 01:58:56,440
Speaker 1: Coming on? Then? Come on? Brother? Okay, but for me,

2416
01:58:56,720 --> 01:59:00,320
Speaker 1: I'm out of here. Let's do it. Yeah,