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Speaker 1: Training camp is underway for twenty nineteen, Day two in

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Speaker 1: do this each and every week in training camp, and yes,

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Speaker 1: because people are clamoring, we'll do it every week during

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Speaker 1: the regular season as well. I'm JP Shadrick. He's carline

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Speaker 1: of Tintin XL with us today. What's up? Heyes, I

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Speaker 1: am doing great. JP. I enjoyed seeing your tweets the summer.

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Speaker 1: You're basically at every awesome tour on the planet, so

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Speaker 1: that's that was pretty awesome stuff to see and uh

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Speaker 1: doing great. Glad that the Jaguars are back out on

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Speaker 1: it's okay, it's we're glad. Do you still have anything

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Speaker 1: It's still deep, it's still deep. It's still we'll get

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Speaker 1: to that. Okay, it's football time. Hey, let's focus a

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Speaker 1: little bit. Apology. It's okay. Mike do Roco ESPN along

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Speaker 1: with us today as well. What's up? De Rock? Am

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Speaker 1: I doing here? Are we talking? I don't know what's

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Speaker 1: going on here. I'm doing well. No, you guys doing

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Speaker 1: well obviously too. But I'm having a good time. Many

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Speaker 1: concerts in Hyde Park. Did you see this? I saw?

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Speaker 1: Let me see none. That's what it was. That's what

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Speaker 1: shall we? Sounds good, you know. Doug Marone spoke earlier

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Speaker 1: and then you really have to kind of take your

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Speaker 1: What do you think of the pace so far? First

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Speaker 1: you know, Doug touched on it when he met with

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Speaker 1: A guy that won't get hurt right now because he's

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Speaker 1: I think it makes sense for all parties. It makes

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Speaker 1: So I think Yanique wants to be here. I think,

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Speaker 1: That's pretty clear. I actually thought that they would have

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Speaker 1: I agree with Hayes. I think something will get done. Um,

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Speaker 1: But you can never have too many pass rushers in

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Speaker 1: They feel like they've got two of the three obviously

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Speaker 1: if Josh Allen looks good, You're still talking about a rookie.

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Speaker 1: Rookies rarely come in and really become elite all pro

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Speaker 1: great career in Jacksonville. But Yanniken Gottway is a must have,

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