1 00:00:01,880 --> 00:00:06,160 Speaker 1: Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George 2 00:00:06,200 --> 00:00:10,200 Speaker 1: Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong and Show, Katty. 3 00:00:10,200 --> 00:00:24,800 Speaker 2: Armstrong and Jetty and He Armstrong and Yetty Trump may 4 00:00:24,880 --> 00:00:32,640 Speaker 2: have set his all time record for starting to fire, 5 00:00:32,840 --> 00:00:36,159 Speaker 2: you know, a verbal fire among the chattering classes with 6 00:00:36,280 --> 00:00:39,320 Speaker 2: the fewest words, most reaction for the fewest words. Is 7 00:00:39,360 --> 00:00:42,479 Speaker 2: a five word post yesterday that has gotten a tremendous 8 00:00:42,479 --> 00:00:43,880 Speaker 2: amount of reactions. So we'll get to that in just 9 00:00:43,960 --> 00:00:47,680 Speaker 2: a second. First, I want to mention this. We talked 10 00:00:47,760 --> 00:00:51,800 Speaker 2: last hour about that proposal that's been given to Zelenski 11 00:00:51,880 --> 00:00:58,720 Speaker 2: that like Russia gets everything they want and beyond. And 12 00:00:59,040 --> 00:01:01,640 Speaker 2: the message from the House is you need to accept 13 00:01:01,720 --> 00:01:06,720 Speaker 2: this or we're cutting off all support. And he got 14 00:01:06,800 --> 00:01:09,840 Speaker 2: toll Thanksgiving and Zelensky just came out and said that 15 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:12,360 Speaker 2: Ukraine faces one of the most difficult moments in our 16 00:01:12,440 --> 00:01:13,160 Speaker 2: nation's history. 17 00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:16,760 Speaker 1: I would say I would agree they've been extremely diplomatic 18 00:01:16,840 --> 00:01:20,039 Speaker 1: in responding to this horrific quote unquote offer. 19 00:01:20,160 --> 00:01:23,040 Speaker 2: But man, they're in a tough spot. What would you do? 20 00:01:24,520 --> 00:01:29,319 Speaker 2: I think I think I back channel to my European 21 00:01:29,400 --> 00:01:33,320 Speaker 2: friends and let them speak loudly about why this is 22 00:01:33,360 --> 00:01:35,160 Speaker 2: a terrible idea, one hundred percent. 23 00:01:35,280 --> 00:01:38,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, be extremely diplomatic, like they're being in play for 24 00:01:38,160 --> 00:01:42,600 Speaker 1: time and send signals. Well, you know, Zelenski really doesn't 25 00:01:42,600 --> 00:01:45,280 Speaker 1: have to say a word. Europe is horrified by this idea, 26 00:01:45,640 --> 00:01:49,080 Speaker 1: just horrified because it empowers Putin, It rewards him for 27 00:01:49,160 --> 00:01:52,880 Speaker 1: his aggressions. It shows him a roadmap for how to 28 00:01:52,920 --> 00:01:55,120 Speaker 1: do it in the Baltic States next, or you know, 29 00:01:55,360 --> 00:01:58,160 Speaker 1: part of Poland where there's a lot of Russian speakers, 30 00:01:58,240 --> 00:01:58,640 Speaker 1: or what have you. 31 00:01:58,720 --> 00:02:00,680 Speaker 2: You know, I was just thinking all about Crone's gonna 32 00:02:00,680 --> 00:02:04,640 Speaker 2: be on the phone with Trump today. What's his name 33 00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:10,799 Speaker 2: there in Germany, Fred Mertz. But Trump could say to him, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 34 00:02:10,880 --> 00:02:14,799 Speaker 2: You know, there's a there's another way to deal with 35 00:02:14,919 --> 00:02:18,680 Speaker 2: a war in your backyard that doesn't include us at all. 36 00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:23,240 Speaker 2: Why did you do something about it? Totally legit, totally 37 00:02:23,600 --> 00:02:27,120 Speaker 2: legitimate thing to say. Why is it on us to 38 00:02:27,240 --> 00:02:30,200 Speaker 2: figure this out and present a plan? Go ahead, present 39 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:33,120 Speaker 2: your plan. Knock yourself out. I'll read about it in 40 00:02:33,120 --> 00:02:34,079 Speaker 2: the newspaper tomorrow. 41 00:02:35,120 --> 00:02:38,560 Speaker 1: So and my god, if you can't handle you know, subtlety, 42 00:02:38,680 --> 00:02:40,600 Speaker 1: maybe this is the wrong show for you or nuanced. 43 00:02:40,639 --> 00:02:44,280 Speaker 1: But I'm harshly critical of this quote unquote peace offer 44 00:02:44,720 --> 00:02:47,720 Speaker 1: that Trump cooked up with the Kremlin for God's sake. 45 00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:50,120 Speaker 1: On the other hand, I think his approach with NATO 46 00:02:50,480 --> 00:02:54,040 Speaker 1: has been exactly right, or so close to exactly right. 47 00:02:54,080 --> 00:02:55,760 Speaker 2: It might as well be to. 48 00:02:56,360 --> 00:03:00,440 Speaker 1: Forcefully emphasize to them that they must be able to 49 00:03:00,600 --> 00:03:03,359 Speaker 1: defend themselves, that they've got to as quickly as possible 50 00:03:03,720 --> 00:03:06,919 Speaker 1: reform their finances and that's the tough part. Asma cron 51 00:03:07,400 --> 00:03:11,440 Speaker 1: and reinvigorate their defense industries, and they're just their their 52 00:03:11,480 --> 00:03:14,240 Speaker 1: defense and be able to stand on their own two feet, 53 00:03:14,320 --> 00:03:17,959 Speaker 1: or at least be an ally worth having. Please and 54 00:03:18,240 --> 00:03:20,760 Speaker 1: several of Ashley answered that call. Some have kind of 55 00:03:20,840 --> 00:03:24,160 Speaker 1: pretended to Japan seems to be doing a pretty good job. 56 00:03:24,200 --> 00:03:27,200 Speaker 1: I realized they're not Europe. But I think his approach 57 00:03:27,639 --> 00:03:31,480 Speaker 1: in that regard has been terrific and long long overdue. 58 00:03:31,919 --> 00:03:33,280 Speaker 2: That's going to be quite the story for the next 59 00:03:33,320 --> 00:03:35,600 Speaker 2: several days. That one I will follow while we're on vacation. 60 00:03:36,200 --> 00:03:38,640 Speaker 2: Here's a good one with Mom Donni about to visit 61 00:03:38,720 --> 00:03:42,360 Speaker 2: the White House having been called a communist from the 62 00:03:42,480 --> 00:03:47,040 Speaker 2: podium yesterday, including by the President. Listen to this. The 63 00:03:47,120 --> 00:03:51,560 Speaker 2: House just overwhelmingly voted to condemn socialism hours before mayor 64 00:03:51,600 --> 00:03:55,240 Speaker 2: elect Zorhan Mundani visit the way. So they passed, they 65 00:03:55,320 --> 00:03:59,200 Speaker 2: passed a resolution condemning socialism. All right, National Cookie Day, 66 00:03:59,600 --> 00:04:01,760 Speaker 2: social no whatever, whatever. 67 00:04:02,200 --> 00:04:05,280 Speaker 1: Unletsten, we're constantly crying out for someone to take a 68 00:04:05,320 --> 00:04:08,760 Speaker 1: stand against socialism, to say it doesn't work. And if 69 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:11,440 Speaker 1: the truth is spoken in jack spits in their eye. 70 00:04:11,720 --> 00:04:14,080 Speaker 1: They're collective four hundred and thirty five man. 71 00:04:14,120 --> 00:04:17,760 Speaker 2: Eye who pays the attention to of these gestures. It's 72 00:04:17,760 --> 00:04:21,600 Speaker 2: a profound move and long overdue. Ah, how was I 73 00:04:21,640 --> 00:04:25,719 Speaker 2: gonna say? That doesn't matter? So now to the five 74 00:04:25,839 --> 00:04:30,080 Speaker 2: words that rocked the world yesterday from Donald Trump. I'll 75 00:04:30,120 --> 00:04:34,400 Speaker 2: read his post and then we'll backfill sedition. This is 76 00:04:34,440 --> 00:04:39,720 Speaker 2: all caps. Joe Biden joining us this morning. You get 77 00:04:39,760 --> 00:04:48,960 Speaker 2: in for a problem. Listen, bow, you gotta ask me 78 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:52,839 Speaker 2: the American problem. Here's the fins that rocked the world, 79 00:04:54,200 --> 00:04:59,120 Speaker 2: My bust and wist. We don't have any os. Michael, 80 00:05:00,400 --> 00:05:05,680 Speaker 2: all right, that was very biten, like you really wind up, 81 00:05:05,720 --> 00:05:08,240 Speaker 2: you're gonna hit the blow. Well, here's long why tell 82 00:05:08,320 --> 00:05:15,160 Speaker 2: you I got here were the words first? All caps 83 00:05:15,839 --> 00:05:23,239 Speaker 2: seditious behavior, Comma punishable by death. What that's a short post? 84 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:28,120 Speaker 2: Five words soditious behavior punishable by death exclamation point. So 85 00:05:28,200 --> 00:05:30,880 Speaker 2: what is he talking about? We we escalated quickly. We 86 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:32,839 Speaker 2: read this to you yesday, but we didn't have the sound. 87 00:05:32,880 --> 00:05:34,760 Speaker 2: It's a video. They put out lots of senators, a 88 00:05:34,800 --> 00:05:38,840 Speaker 2: bunch of different other people, dems with this message. We 89 00:05:38,880 --> 00:05:41,159 Speaker 2: won't play the whole thing, but there's some very prominent 90 00:05:41,240 --> 00:05:44,680 Speaker 2: senators on here. Here he goes, like us, you all 91 00:05:44,760 --> 00:05:49,359 Speaker 2: swore an oath constitution right now. The threats to our 92 00:05:49,440 --> 00:05:52,480 Speaker 2: constitution aren't just coming from abroad, from right here at home. 93 00:05:52,640 --> 00:05:56,040 Speaker 2: Our laws are clear. You can refuse illegal orders. 94 00:05:56,520 --> 00:05:58,320 Speaker 1: You can refuse illegal orders. 95 00:05:58,640 --> 00:06:00,760 Speaker 2: You must refuse legal orders. 96 00:06:01,040 --> 00:06:03,280 Speaker 1: No one has to carry out orders that violate the 97 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:04,880 Speaker 1: law or our constitution. 98 00:06:05,240 --> 00:06:07,320 Speaker 2: We know this is hard and that it's a difficult 99 00:06:07,400 --> 00:06:09,479 Speaker 2: time to be a public servant. But whether you're serving 100 00:06:09,520 --> 00:06:12,320 Speaker 2: in the CIA, the Army, or Navy, the Air Force, 101 00:06:12,640 --> 00:06:16,159 Speaker 2: your vigilance is critical. And know that we have your back, 102 00:06:16,520 --> 00:06:19,760 Speaker 2: because now more than ever, the American people need you. 103 00:06:20,040 --> 00:06:22,560 Speaker 2: We need you to stand up for our laws, our constitution, 104 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:26,480 Speaker 2: and who we are as Americans. Don't give up, don't 105 00:06:26,560 --> 00:06:29,040 Speaker 2: give up. Don't give up, don't give up the ship. 106 00:06:29,600 --> 00:06:31,799 Speaker 2: So what is the message there? What are they trying 107 00:06:31,880 --> 00:06:32,200 Speaker 2: to do? 108 00:06:33,640 --> 00:06:38,960 Speaker 1: I am going to skip past my horrified talk show 109 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:44,479 Speaker 1: host mode where I talk about how wildly insanely inappropriate 110 00:06:44,560 --> 00:06:48,200 Speaker 1: that is, because it is it is so far out 111 00:06:48,240 --> 00:06:52,040 Speaker 1: of line, and skip to your question, what exactly are 112 00:06:52,080 --> 00:06:53,240 Speaker 1: they trying to accomplish? 113 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:54,520 Speaker 2: Number One? 114 00:06:54,640 --> 00:06:57,800 Speaker 1: They are trying to suggest without stating it, that a 115 00:06:57,960 --> 00:07:01,880 Speaker 1: number of actions recently have been legal. I suspect they're 116 00:07:01,920 --> 00:07:04,599 Speaker 1: talking about these snuffing of alleged drug boats, but. 117 00:07:04,640 --> 00:07:06,919 Speaker 2: Apparently they don't feel like they're on solid enough ground 118 00:07:06,960 --> 00:07:09,360 Speaker 2: to say out loud what they're talking about. Right. 119 00:07:10,120 --> 00:07:16,480 Speaker 1: Secondarily, they're hoping to get some soldier sailor airman marine. 120 00:07:17,040 --> 00:07:19,400 Speaker 1: They left out the Coastguard, who apparently can do whatever 121 00:07:19,440 --> 00:07:25,240 Speaker 1: they want, including illegal orders. They want somebody to refuse 122 00:07:25,480 --> 00:07:29,600 Speaker 1: to execute an order so they can be made a 123 00:07:29,960 --> 00:07:33,920 Speaker 1: symbol of Trump's lawlessness. I think they actually want to 124 00:07:34,040 --> 00:07:38,040 Speaker 1: incite some poor son of a bitch to think, you know, 125 00:07:38,280 --> 00:07:41,480 Speaker 1: I got no reason to shoot at these guys or whatever, 126 00:07:41,600 --> 00:07:42,560 Speaker 1: and become a martyr. 127 00:07:44,800 --> 00:07:47,920 Speaker 2: The whole military structure falls well there, of course, there 128 00:07:47,960 --> 00:07:51,200 Speaker 2: are such things as illegal orders, and you constitutionally. 129 00:07:50,640 --> 00:07:53,160 Speaker 1: Do not have to follow them, and you're trained to 130 00:07:53,280 --> 00:07:55,240 Speaker 1: that effect the minute you get in the service and. 131 00:07:55,400 --> 00:07:58,880 Speaker 2: Something incredibly obvious, like you know, your commander says I 132 00:07:58,920 --> 00:08:01,800 Speaker 2: want you to torture these people until they talk, you 133 00:08:01,920 --> 00:08:03,360 Speaker 2: can say I'm not going to do that. 134 00:08:04,080 --> 00:08:06,920 Speaker 1: You got to shoot my wife's boss save as a terrorist. 135 00:08:07,440 --> 00:08:10,560 Speaker 2: Oh right, But if you're just going to make a 136 00:08:10,720 --> 00:08:18,480 Speaker 2: blanket statement vaguely about an out of control president, what 137 00:08:18,960 --> 00:08:20,800 Speaker 2: are you hoping is going to happen here? And then 138 00:08:20,840 --> 00:08:23,440 Speaker 2: the whole thing falls apart if people start judging orders 139 00:08:23,520 --> 00:08:25,480 Speaker 2: on I'm not sure this is legal or not. I'd 140 00:08:25,560 --> 00:08:27,840 Speaker 2: have to call my lawyer as a private in the army. 141 00:08:28,360 --> 00:08:32,480 Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, well, it seems clearly designed to well to 142 00:08:32,640 --> 00:08:35,320 Speaker 1: a suggests that there are illegal orders being given, although 143 00:08:35,360 --> 00:08:38,199 Speaker 1: they don't have the balls to name them and be 144 00:08:38,640 --> 00:08:43,240 Speaker 1: to really push into our service people's minds that there 145 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:45,760 Speaker 1: might be and they should be on the lookout. Right. 146 00:08:45,800 --> 00:08:49,480 Speaker 2: It's really just to whip up the sense of fear 147 00:08:49,640 --> 00:08:52,600 Speaker 2: and urgency of how out of control things are right now. 148 00:08:52,760 --> 00:08:56,240 Speaker 2: That's what it's designed to do. Yeah, just to make 149 00:08:56,280 --> 00:09:00,800 Speaker 2: people think, oh my god, it's that bad. It's that bad, okay, 150 00:09:00,840 --> 00:09:03,880 Speaker 2: and then Trump's response, of course, did not help, because 151 00:09:03,960 --> 00:09:06,800 Speaker 2: the current president of the United States should not say 152 00:09:07,080 --> 00:09:11,880 Speaker 2: seditious behavior punishable by death, suggesting they had committed a 153 00:09:11,960 --> 00:09:17,000 Speaker 2: crime they could be executed for by putting together that video, 154 00:09:18,840 --> 00:09:24,480 Speaker 2: We're gonna start hanging senators. Neither side has any interest 155 00:09:24,559 --> 00:09:26,760 Speaker 2: in cooling off the rhetoric. I'm not even a call 156 00:09:26,880 --> 00:09:30,160 Speaker 2: for it anymore. You can't go any farther than that then, 157 00:09:30,360 --> 00:09:32,960 Speaker 2: as a hot rhetoric, can you. It's like running onto 158 00:09:32,960 --> 00:09:36,280 Speaker 2: a football field and screaming, stop tackling each other. Stop 159 00:09:36,400 --> 00:09:39,120 Speaker 2: tackling each other. Forget it. 160 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:40,680 Speaker 1: It's a fantasy. It's not gonna happen. 161 00:09:40,960 --> 00:09:43,360 Speaker 2: Mike Johnson, Speaker of the House, was asked about it. 162 00:09:44,080 --> 00:09:46,400 Speaker 3: The words that the President chose are not the ones 163 00:09:46,440 --> 00:09:47,040 Speaker 3: that I would use. 164 00:09:47,120 --> 00:09:47,400 Speaker 2: Okay. 165 00:09:48,040 --> 00:09:50,959 Speaker 3: Obviously I don't think that this is these are crimes 166 00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:54,240 Speaker 3: punishable by death or any of that, Okay, But what 167 00:09:54,720 --> 00:09:57,400 Speaker 3: what the point is that we need to emphasize here 168 00:09:57,559 --> 00:09:59,480 Speaker 3: is that members of Congress in the city the House 169 00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:02,120 Speaker 3: should not do telling truth to disobey orders. 170 00:10:02,160 --> 00:10:08,319 Speaker 2: It is dangerous. If God dang it, we are in 171 00:10:08,640 --> 00:10:14,240 Speaker 2: a race to the bottom. There are no norms that 172 00:10:14,400 --> 00:10:18,480 Speaker 2: will go untrampled upon. I saw Lindsey Graham on some 173 00:10:18,679 --> 00:10:20,679 Speaker 2: show this morning and he said the same thing. No, 174 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:22,800 Speaker 2: I wouldn't have said that. I mean, they kept pushing 175 00:10:22,880 --> 00:10:26,120 Speaker 2: on him. They wanted him to, you know, go against Trump. 176 00:10:27,120 --> 00:10:29,040 Speaker 2: They kept pushing, and he finally said, no, I wouldn't 177 00:10:29,040 --> 00:10:32,080 Speaker 2: have said that. No, that's not appropriate for the president 178 00:10:32,160 --> 00:10:34,679 Speaker 2: to say. But he got back to what Mike Johnson said, 179 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:37,520 Speaker 2: and neither was it appropriate for a bunch of senators 180 00:10:37,600 --> 00:10:40,240 Speaker 2: to say, you don't have to disobey order your legal orders, 181 00:10:40,280 --> 00:10:44,920 Speaker 2: you know, don't follow illegal orders. What are you suggesting here? Again? 182 00:10:45,040 --> 00:10:47,959 Speaker 2: I think if they think something is really out of bounds, illegal, 183 00:10:48,160 --> 00:10:50,880 Speaker 2: well then name the specific act and put your name 184 00:10:50,960 --> 00:10:52,959 Speaker 2: on it. Why not if you think what's going on 185 00:10:53,040 --> 00:10:56,680 Speaker 2: in Venezuela's illegal, say it out loud. Don't just like generalize. 186 00:10:57,040 --> 00:11:04,560 Speaker 2: That's not good. Yeah, it's cowardly. I don't I don't 187 00:11:04,600 --> 00:11:06,319 Speaker 2: know what to think of the fact that in my 188 00:11:06,480 --> 00:11:09,839 Speaker 2: own brain, when I heard yesterday what Trump said that, 189 00:11:09,920 --> 00:11:12,319 Speaker 2: I thought, oh, we roll my eyes. I didn't think, 190 00:11:12,720 --> 00:11:16,080 Speaker 2: you know, we're about to see senators swinging from the gallows, 191 00:11:16,320 --> 00:11:20,400 Speaker 2: which I might have thought under Gerald Ford or Jimmy 192 00:11:20,440 --> 00:11:22,560 Speaker 2: Carter or any other president back in the day when 193 00:11:22,600 --> 00:11:25,640 Speaker 2: people didn't say things unless they met them. Can I 194 00:11:25,760 --> 00:11:29,480 Speaker 2: pick two senators swinging from the gallows? I just didn't 195 00:11:29,480 --> 00:11:30,480 Speaker 2: submit them somewhere. 196 00:11:30,559 --> 00:11:33,760 Speaker 1: I just after a fair trial, of course, appeals in 197 00:11:33,800 --> 00:11:35,920 Speaker 1: the American justice system, the envy of the world. 198 00:11:36,000 --> 00:11:37,120 Speaker 2: Which two do you have in mind? 199 00:11:37,640 --> 00:11:41,800 Speaker 1: No, I'm not naming names, you know, Oh lord, let 200 00:11:41,840 --> 00:11:45,559 Speaker 1: me think of some oh boy, what's his face? From Connecticut? 201 00:11:46,160 --> 00:11:49,480 Speaker 2: Him and my senator, the guy with the thin neck. 202 00:11:49,720 --> 00:11:51,360 Speaker 2: But you'd have to give a spec Adam shift. 203 00:11:51,760 --> 00:11:54,959 Speaker 1: Yeah, you'd have to. You could hang him with dental 204 00:11:55,040 --> 00:11:58,040 Speaker 1: flaws and slip right out of the news again. 205 00:11:58,120 --> 00:12:01,400 Speaker 2: And we're only with a fair trial, actually having violated 206 00:12:01,440 --> 00:12:03,880 Speaker 2: the Constitution in a way publishable by death. And if 207 00:12:03,880 --> 00:12:06,920 Speaker 2: there should be no political violence, no political violence. We're 208 00:12:06,920 --> 00:12:10,760 Speaker 2: talking due process. That's not political violence. Do freaking process 209 00:12:10,920 --> 00:12:16,199 Speaker 2: like he said. That's right? All right then, Okay, probably 210 00:12:16,200 --> 00:12:18,000 Speaker 2: a good time to take a break and rethink our stance. 211 00:12:19,240 --> 00:12:20,360 Speaker 2: We'll be back right up to this. 212 00:12:22,240 --> 00:12:27,800 Speaker 4: Strong DoorDash said that their customer's personal information was stolen 213 00:12:27,880 --> 00:12:28,720 Speaker 4: in a data breach. 214 00:12:28,880 --> 00:12:29,000 Speaker 1: Oo. 215 00:12:29,880 --> 00:12:33,840 Speaker 4: The hackers will face criminal charges along with vague DoorDash chargers. 216 00:12:34,080 --> 00:12:35,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, no, pay ten dollars. 217 00:12:37,960 --> 00:12:40,679 Speaker 4: Some customers vowed who never used door dash ever again? 218 00:12:40,920 --> 00:12:42,679 Speaker 4: And then they got hungry and ordered a burger from 219 00:12:42,679 --> 00:12:44,240 Speaker 4: the McDonald six hundred feet away. 220 00:12:46,400 --> 00:12:49,000 Speaker 2: No kidding. It's always a little confusing to try to 221 00:12:49,040 --> 00:12:51,760 Speaker 2: figure out. So I know, the thing I ordered is 222 00:12:51,840 --> 00:12:56,959 Speaker 2: thirteen ninety five, but now it's twenty eight fifty. What 223 00:12:57,120 --> 00:12:59,120 Speaker 2: are all the charges in between? It's kind of hard 224 00:12:59,120 --> 00:13:00,319 Speaker 2: to figure out what they are. But that's the way 225 00:13:00,320 --> 00:13:00,720 Speaker 2: it works out. 226 00:13:00,960 --> 00:13:03,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, the ticket sellers started that, right, the service fee, 227 00:13:04,120 --> 00:13:07,920 Speaker 1: the handling fee, the processing charge. What's the difference between 228 00:13:07,960 --> 00:13:09,840 Speaker 1: a service fee and a processing charge? 229 00:13:09,920 --> 00:13:15,079 Speaker 2: Exactly? My son is into We went out to eat 230 00:13:15,160 --> 00:13:17,000 Speaker 2: last night and I told my kids, throw on some 231 00:13:17,120 --> 00:13:19,959 Speaker 2: real clothes. We're gonna go to a kind of realish restaurant. 232 00:13:20,720 --> 00:13:23,840 Speaker 2: And my son came out dressed in his new member's 233 00:13:23,880 --> 00:13:27,320 Speaker 2: only jacket. He's a fan of vintage clothes. That's his thing. 234 00:13:27,400 --> 00:13:31,480 Speaker 2: He goes to these. He can't really call them their 235 00:13:31,679 --> 00:13:33,640 Speaker 2: thrift stores because they're a little too expensive to just 236 00:13:33,720 --> 00:13:36,040 Speaker 2: be your old timey thrift stores. They're very popular right now. 237 00:13:36,080 --> 00:13:38,719 Speaker 2: For whatever reason. I was just in San Francisco and 238 00:13:38,840 --> 00:13:41,480 Speaker 2: we were on went over with the hate Ashbury area, 239 00:13:41,640 --> 00:13:45,959 Speaker 2: and it's like all kind of mid to high range 240 00:13:46,160 --> 00:13:49,640 Speaker 2: vintage stuff, like expensive used clothes. 241 00:13:50,160 --> 00:13:52,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, my son is super into that too. It's kind 242 00:13:52,280 --> 00:13:54,679 Speaker 1: of fun. Really, it's like an art form, and it's 243 00:13:54,720 --> 00:13:56,439 Speaker 1: not nearly as expensive as new stuff. 244 00:13:56,520 --> 00:13:58,439 Speaker 2: Oh, way, way way cheaper than buy new stuff. But 245 00:13:58,440 --> 00:14:01,800 Speaker 2: the funny thing is he was dressed as a sophomore 246 00:14:01,840 --> 00:14:04,640 Speaker 2: in high school the way I wanted to be dressed 247 00:14:04,679 --> 00:14:06,959 Speaker 2: as a sophomore in high school, but didn't have the 248 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:10,199 Speaker 2: money for the clothes. I had. A member's only jackets 249 00:14:10,240 --> 00:14:12,760 Speaker 2: were so popular in the eighties when I was in 250 00:14:12,840 --> 00:14:15,840 Speaker 2: high school. I never had one. I had a knockoff 251 00:14:15,960 --> 00:14:19,280 Speaker 2: like kmart version kind of looked like the member's only jacket. 252 00:14:20,480 --> 00:14:23,000 Speaker 2: It should have been sued for copyright infringement. I mean 253 00:14:23,040 --> 00:14:25,440 Speaker 2: it was almost exactly the same with the logo that 254 00:14:25,560 --> 00:14:27,760 Speaker 2: said you know, can't afford this on it or something 255 00:14:27,880 --> 00:14:28,040 Speaker 2: like that. 256 00:14:28,560 --> 00:14:31,400 Speaker 1: Ow, So they rejected you as a member for members 257 00:14:31,480 --> 00:14:32,640 Speaker 1: only jackets. 258 00:14:32,280 --> 00:14:34,200 Speaker 2: And I had I don't think I had real Levi's 259 00:14:34,280 --> 00:14:36,520 Speaker 2: jeans either. I had some knockoff jeans and he was 260 00:14:36,560 --> 00:14:39,360 Speaker 2: wearing vintage levi'sed jeans he got last week from the 261 00:14:39,400 --> 00:14:42,160 Speaker 2: eighties and a member's only jacket. I thought, how are 262 00:14:42,200 --> 00:14:44,800 Speaker 2: you dressed as a sophomore high school the way I 263 00:14:44,880 --> 00:14:47,280 Speaker 2: wanted to be dressed as a sophomore in high school. 264 00:14:47,720 --> 00:14:52,200 Speaker 2: It's just interesting. Yeah, it's interesting that they're still popular. 265 00:14:52,280 --> 00:14:55,000 Speaker 2: He got lots of compliments on it. It's funny how 266 00:14:55,040 --> 00:14:56,440 Speaker 2: things come in in and out, And I was trying 267 00:14:56,440 --> 00:14:58,680 Speaker 2: to explain him how members only, like all the cool 268 00:14:58,680 --> 00:15:01,080 Speaker 2: people in high school had a members only jacket. Then 269 00:15:01,160 --> 00:15:05,440 Speaker 2: they became a joke for like thirty years. Now they're 270 00:15:05,480 --> 00:15:08,960 Speaker 2: cool again. That's the way things go in an arc. Ye, 271 00:15:09,120 --> 00:15:10,600 Speaker 2: that's why you keep finds too. 272 00:15:10,840 --> 00:15:13,640 Speaker 1: Bands are popular, then they're a joke, and then people 273 00:15:13,760 --> 00:15:16,920 Speaker 1: line up to see them fifteen years later. Yeah, they're 274 00:15:16,960 --> 00:15:19,720 Speaker 1: dyeing their hair and sucking in their guts and making 275 00:15:19,720 --> 00:15:21,080 Speaker 1: a few bucks, and who can blame them? 276 00:15:22,200 --> 00:15:23,440 Speaker 2: So it's funny. I came across this. 277 00:15:23,960 --> 00:15:26,680 Speaker 1: It's appropriate to our last segment talking about all the 278 00:15:26,800 --> 00:15:29,120 Speaker 1: norms that are being exploded both sides of the aisle 279 00:15:29,200 --> 00:15:34,240 Speaker 1: or estimate. This is so interesting, but it's entirely visual, 280 00:15:35,200 --> 00:15:39,920 Speaker 1: using like little glowing dots. It shows you all of 281 00:15:40,040 --> 00:15:44,680 Speaker 1: the times the word democracy has been uttered in the 282 00:15:44,760 --> 00:15:48,600 Speaker 1: House of Representatives, going back to eighteen eighty, when I 283 00:15:48,640 --> 00:15:50,920 Speaker 1: don't know, maybe the really good record keeping began or 284 00:15:50,960 --> 00:15:55,000 Speaker 1: something like that, and how it was very very low, 285 00:15:55,080 --> 00:15:58,920 Speaker 1: practically never And it differentiates just mentions of democracy with 286 00:15:59,200 --> 00:16:01,000 Speaker 1: this is a threat to our democracy. 287 00:16:01,400 --> 00:16:03,040 Speaker 2: Those are like brighter. 288 00:16:02,720 --> 00:16:07,960 Speaker 1: Dots, but it's like extremely rare eighteen eighty through nineteen 289 00:16:08,280 --> 00:16:12,600 Speaker 1: thirty six or seven. Then as WW two's breaking out, 290 00:16:12,840 --> 00:16:15,600 Speaker 1: there's a fair mention of democracy. It settled down again. 291 00:16:15,720 --> 00:16:17,480 Speaker 1: Then the Cold Wars st already saw some of it. 292 00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:21,240 Speaker 1: Then in the nineties it burbled up and came up 293 00:16:21,280 --> 00:16:24,240 Speaker 1: a lot, then it kind of dropped. During the Obama years, 294 00:16:24,360 --> 00:16:29,200 Speaker 1: practically nobody was shouting about democracy. Now it's skyrocketed. It's 295 00:16:29,320 --> 00:16:33,200 Speaker 1: like it's a never ending drum beat of this was 296 00:16:33,240 --> 00:16:37,640 Speaker 1: a threat to our democracy and just constantly mentioning democracy. 297 00:16:38,640 --> 00:16:41,120 Speaker 1: It's gone from like a tenth of a percent of 298 00:16:41,880 --> 00:16:44,840 Speaker 1: you know the speeches in Congress now to five percent. 299 00:16:44,960 --> 00:16:48,520 Speaker 2: Well, would it be a fair rebuttal to say we've 300 00:16:48,640 --> 00:16:51,200 Speaker 2: got more of a threat to our democracy going on 301 00:16:51,400 --> 00:16:53,480 Speaker 2: over the last decade or so than we ever had before. 302 00:16:53,560 --> 00:16:59,760 Speaker 2: For all kinds of different reasons. Not you're not wrong. 303 00:17:01,800 --> 00:17:05,320 Speaker 1: You generally hear it in a hyperbolic way, though, don't 304 00:17:05,359 --> 00:17:05,720 Speaker 1: you know? 305 00:17:06,040 --> 00:17:08,560 Speaker 2: Definitely I want a cane. We need to. We haven't 306 00:17:08,560 --> 00:17:10,000 Speaker 2: bring back a cane. We haven't had a cane in 307 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:11,480 Speaker 2: a long ago. What's old is new? 308 00:17:11,600 --> 00:17:16,119 Speaker 1: Another canings armstrong and getdy sa. 309 00:17:16,200 --> 00:17:20,480 Speaker 2: Good morning Sa, Good morning perfect. We are doing chicken 310 00:17:20,520 --> 00:17:22,920 Speaker 2: egg in this morning. I got the sausage, egg and 311 00:17:22,960 --> 00:17:23,840 Speaker 2: cheese breakfast bullet. 312 00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:24,760 Speaker 1: That's a big bite. 313 00:17:24,880 --> 00:17:28,240 Speaker 2: So I'm gonna have you got me? Okay, eat the 314 00:17:28,320 --> 00:17:33,840 Speaker 2: egg here? Good boy? Was this screaming? Okay? Good? So 315 00:17:34,080 --> 00:17:36,800 Speaker 2: happy for you. I think it's pretty obvious what's going 316 00:17:36,840 --> 00:17:38,520 Speaker 2: on there. That's a woman who has a pet turkey 317 00:17:38,600 --> 00:17:40,440 Speaker 2: going through the drive through a Chick fil A and 318 00:17:40,560 --> 00:17:41,040 Speaker 2: other news. 319 00:17:46,520 --> 00:17:49,840 Speaker 1: I remember when entertainment had plot and people would write 320 00:17:49,880 --> 00:17:52,639 Speaker 1: it and think about it, and that's just freak shows. 321 00:17:53,840 --> 00:17:55,680 Speaker 2: Freak shows. See. 322 00:17:55,720 --> 00:17:58,040 Speaker 1: I would think bringing a turkey to a Chick fil 323 00:17:58,080 --> 00:18:01,960 Speaker 1: A is, on its face, uncomfortable, you know what I mean. 324 00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:04,760 Speaker 2: A little too close to home? Yeah, yeah, a little. 325 00:18:05,040 --> 00:18:07,280 Speaker 1: You know it's it's it's it's cannibalism adjacent. 326 00:18:07,440 --> 00:18:09,240 Speaker 2: You like eating fowl do you huh? 327 00:18:09,960 --> 00:18:14,040 Speaker 1: Keep that in mind a minute, sleep with one beady 328 00:18:14,119 --> 00:18:14,640 Speaker 1: I open. 329 00:18:14,920 --> 00:18:17,600 Speaker 2: I got a couple of Epstein things for you. One 330 00:18:17,960 --> 00:18:23,360 Speaker 2: Megan Kelly opened the can of worms. What's a pedophile? Anyway? 331 00:18:24,160 --> 00:18:27,440 Speaker 2: I want to talk about that and Larry Summer's revelation 332 00:18:27,560 --> 00:18:29,600 Speaker 2: that's pretty interesting. We'll get to those eventually. 333 00:18:30,080 --> 00:18:33,119 Speaker 1: Oh No, we were talking about this yesterday and I 334 00:18:33,240 --> 00:18:35,280 Speaker 1: was trying to express but I think they expressed it better. 335 00:18:35,760 --> 00:18:40,560 Speaker 1: This this piece of journalism by Rachel Ensign and Rachel Wolfe, 336 00:18:40,600 --> 00:18:41,880 Speaker 1: the two Rachel's I call him. 337 00:18:44,440 --> 00:18:44,840 Speaker 2: America. 338 00:18:44,960 --> 00:18:49,879 Speaker 1: We were talking about inflation and how it compounds. If 339 00:18:49,960 --> 00:18:53,680 Speaker 1: you have nine percent inflation inflation one year than eight 340 00:18:53,800 --> 00:18:57,000 Speaker 1: percent the next year, it's not like, no, the prices 341 00:18:57,040 --> 00:18:59,240 Speaker 1: have come down. No, that means it's eight percent on 342 00:18:59,359 --> 00:19:02,640 Speaker 1: top of the dot dollar nine that the dollar became, 343 00:19:02,880 --> 00:19:05,359 Speaker 1: so it just keeps getting bigger and bigger and more bloated. 344 00:19:06,640 --> 00:19:11,600 Speaker 1: And that the inflation rate has unquestionably come down since 345 00:19:11,800 --> 00:19:15,119 Speaker 1: Donald Trump took office, and that is good news. But 346 00:19:15,240 --> 00:19:17,040 Speaker 1: he's been a little out of touch and made some 347 00:19:17,160 --> 00:19:20,080 Speaker 1: statements he really should not have about this fake news, 348 00:19:20,200 --> 00:19:21,119 Speaker 1: and they. 349 00:19:20,800 --> 00:19:22,720 Speaker 2: Just don't want to talk about our accomplishments and stuff 350 00:19:22,720 --> 00:19:25,040 Speaker 2: like that. Well, it is a good He didn't just imply. 351 00:19:25,280 --> 00:19:27,840 Speaker 2: He stated flat out he could make the prices come down, 352 00:19:27,880 --> 00:19:30,360 Speaker 2: which I wondered how he was gonna fix that once 353 00:19:30,440 --> 00:19:31,200 Speaker 2: he got an office. 354 00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:34,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, that would be extremely difficult to pay off, to 355 00:19:35,600 --> 00:19:38,480 Speaker 1: pull off rather, but this is some good writing. America's 356 00:19:38,480 --> 00:19:41,920 Speaker 1: middle class is weary after nearly five years of high prices. 357 00:19:42,200 --> 00:19:44,840 Speaker 1: Many middle class earners thought life would be more affordable 358 00:19:44,920 --> 00:19:46,360 Speaker 1: by now here's. 359 00:19:46,200 --> 00:19:47,679 Speaker 2: Your key figure. 360 00:19:48,440 --> 00:19:53,439 Speaker 1: Costs for goods and services are twenty five percent above 361 00:19:53,520 --> 00:19:54,960 Speaker 1: where they were in twenty twenty. 362 00:19:55,520 --> 00:19:56,040 Speaker 2: That's a lot. 363 00:19:56,760 --> 00:19:59,720 Speaker 1: Anybody here got a twenty five percent raise in the last. 364 00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:03,679 Speaker 2: Twenty person So think about that. So if you make 365 00:20:03,760 --> 00:20:07,600 Speaker 2: one hundred grand a year, you make a lot less 366 00:20:07,720 --> 00:20:09,080 Speaker 2: than you used to think you made. 367 00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:13,159 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, right, even though the inflation rate is below 368 00:20:13,320 --> 00:20:14,640 Speaker 1: it's twenty twenty two. High. 369 00:20:14,760 --> 00:20:16,040 Speaker 2: Certain essentials and they. 370 00:20:16,040 --> 00:20:19,320 Speaker 1: Go into coffee, ground, beef, car repairs, insurance, this sort 371 00:20:19,359 --> 00:20:23,960 Speaker 1: of thing are up markedly this year. And they talk 372 00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:26,920 Speaker 1: to a variety of people at a variety salary levels 373 00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:27,600 Speaker 1: around the country. 374 00:20:27,680 --> 00:20:29,679 Speaker 2: But so if we're all saying the same thing, if 375 00:20:29,760 --> 00:20:31,800 Speaker 2: most of us are working for roughly the same amount 376 00:20:31,840 --> 00:20:33,359 Speaker 2: of money as we were in twenty twenty. We took 377 00:20:33,400 --> 00:20:36,879 Speaker 2: a twenty five percent pay cut essentially. Yeah wow. 378 00:20:38,240 --> 00:20:41,680 Speaker 1: And they point out that Walmart stock is doing great 379 00:20:41,800 --> 00:20:45,600 Speaker 1: and sales target is getting murdered because people are saying, 380 00:20:45,640 --> 00:20:47,800 Speaker 1: where's the cheap place. It's Walmart, right, let's go to 381 00:20:47,880 --> 00:20:52,800 Speaker 1: Walmart overwhelmingly, And they cite a number of different businesses, 382 00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:57,640 Speaker 1: from wing Stop to a couple other places that are saying, yeah, 383 00:20:57,800 --> 00:21:01,760 Speaker 1: middle income diners are now doing what lower income ones did. 384 00:21:01,840 --> 00:21:04,560 Speaker 1: They're dialing back their purchases. They're ordering the cheaper stuff. 385 00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:07,800 Speaker 1: Our high end stuff is not moving. It's really interesting, 386 00:21:07,840 --> 00:21:12,480 Speaker 1: but I thought that's worth pointing out. The way inflation works, 387 00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:15,080 Speaker 1: it never comes down. I mean, deflation is a very 388 00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:17,880 Speaker 1: dangerous thing. It caused terrible problems in an economy. Look 389 00:21:17,920 --> 00:21:21,200 Speaker 1: it up if you don't know about it. But people 390 00:21:21,240 --> 00:21:23,479 Speaker 1: are dealing with twenty five percent higher prices than they 391 00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:26,119 Speaker 1: were five years ago, having seen very little change in 392 00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:26,679 Speaker 1: their wages. 393 00:21:27,280 --> 00:21:30,000 Speaker 2: It's brutal, yep. 394 00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:33,600 Speaker 1: And you know, just politically speaking, you gotta be sensitive 395 00:21:33,680 --> 00:21:33,879 Speaker 1: to that. 396 00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:43,840 Speaker 2: And since you can't actually bring prices down, can bring 397 00:21:44,200 --> 00:21:47,760 Speaker 2: some down. The only thing you can really talk about 398 00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:50,640 Speaker 2: is somehow raising wages? Right? 399 00:21:52,280 --> 00:21:55,000 Speaker 1: Oh, that reminds me maybe our four of the show, 400 00:21:56,080 --> 00:21:59,119 Speaker 1: great piece about inflation, what it is and what it 401 00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:02,640 Speaker 1: is not, because we've got it a little bit backwards. 402 00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:07,400 Speaker 1: That rise in prices is not inflation per se. It's 403 00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:09,120 Speaker 1: the result of inflation. 404 00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:11,240 Speaker 2: We'll explain in our four. 405 00:22:11,560 --> 00:22:14,440 Speaker 1: You will be smarter than all of your friends and 406 00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:17,200 Speaker 1: family if you join us for our four. If you 407 00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:19,720 Speaker 1: think it, our for grab it by podcast Armstrong and 408 00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:20,360 Speaker 1: Getty on demand. 409 00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:23,680 Speaker 2: Subscribe At the Thanksgiving table, if somebody brings up inflation, 410 00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:26,000 Speaker 2: you can say, you know, actually you're wrong, uncle Ed, 411 00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:29,159 Speaker 2: and then starting with you, you know, I might just 412 00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:31,160 Speaker 2: you know, there's more to it, uncle Ed. Why would 413 00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:34,800 Speaker 2: you be so confrontational? And more on? 414 00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:38,960 Speaker 1: Hey, when you're done talking, Jackass, I got I like 415 00:22:39,040 --> 00:22:39,560 Speaker 1: to drop. 416 00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:41,920 Speaker 2: A truth bowl of gravy in front of your play 417 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:44,720 Speaker 2: all right, No, no need to be light. Pass me 418 00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:47,919 Speaker 2: the Cranberry's. I'll pass you some common sense. Here's how 419 00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:51,200 Speaker 2: inflation works. Jab your turkey, leg at him. I got 420 00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:57,000 Speaker 2: something for you. Here's a couple of Epstein things for you. 421 00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:02,800 Speaker 2: Larry Summers and his his wife flew on Epstein's plane 422 00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:07,520 Speaker 2: to Pedo Island for their honeymoon, the same wife that 423 00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:09,760 Speaker 2: he would eventually. I don't know if he ever cheated 424 00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:11,760 Speaker 2: on her, if he ever was successful, he was trying 425 00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:18,200 Speaker 2: to cheat on her with that graduate student, with Epstein's advice. 426 00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:21,879 Speaker 1: I've got to quibble just a little bit over the 427 00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:26,840 Speaker 1: characterization of Pedo Island. No question that sort of thing 428 00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:30,760 Speaker 1: happened there, sex with underage people, getting into the what 429 00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:33,760 Speaker 1: is pedophilia question, but it wasn't. 430 00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:34,840 Speaker 2: All the time. 431 00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:39,480 Speaker 1: The guy had like a super cool vacation pad. Sometimes 432 00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:41,840 Speaker 1: it was just a party, sometimes it was just chilling out. Well, 433 00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:42,959 Speaker 1: sometimes it was perven. 434 00:23:43,119 --> 00:23:46,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, I assume Larry Summers and his brand new bride, 435 00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:50,200 Speaker 2: having just gotten married in Cambridge, they flew on Epstein's 436 00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:52,560 Speaker 2: plane to the island and hung out there. Now this 437 00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:54,960 Speaker 2: is two thousand and five, this is before his conviction, 438 00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:58,160 Speaker 2: so I'm sure everybody knew Epstein was living a pretty 439 00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:00,159 Speaker 2: wild life and on the very age edge of what 440 00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:02,760 Speaker 2: was appropriate and what wasn't. But he hadn't been convicted 441 00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:04,639 Speaker 2: of anything at that point. But I just thought that 442 00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:07,639 Speaker 2: was kind of interesting. Megan Kelly brought this up the 443 00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:09,160 Speaker 2: other day, and I agree with her and she got 444 00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:12,760 Speaker 2: killed for saying it. I feel like we need a 445 00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:19,199 Speaker 2: word for people who are into children and people who 446 00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:22,560 Speaker 2: are into you know, almost eighteen year old teenagers. They're 447 00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:26,200 Speaker 2: different things. Yeah, there are crimes, but they're different things. 448 00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:27,679 Speaker 2: They're different crimes. 449 00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:30,520 Speaker 1: Too. Loud and Lasseivius with a child under fourteen is 450 00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:33,520 Speaker 1: a different crime. It's the question of do you are 451 00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:39,000 Speaker 1: you sexually attracted to children who are pre sexual right 452 00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:40,879 Speaker 1: in most ways, or are you? 453 00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:42,919 Speaker 2: I mean, it's a different thing. 454 00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:47,040 Speaker 1: A seventeen year old girl can get pregnant quite readily, 455 00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:51,440 Speaker 1: and anthropologically speaking, that's like the perfect time to have 456 00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:55,800 Speaker 1: a child, when you're young and strong, etc. Societally, it's 457 00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:58,080 Speaker 1: not the way we operate. I'm not suggesting it, but yeah, 458 00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:00,480 Speaker 1: it's a very different crime. A seven year old and 459 00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:03,320 Speaker 1: a seventeen year old is a completely different situation. Well yeah, 460 00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:04,679 Speaker 1: and then there's the point she was trying to make. 461 00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:06,560 Speaker 2: And there's two sides of the seventeen year old thing. 462 00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:09,800 Speaker 2: There's the Okay, so now she just turned eighteen and 463 00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:15,080 Speaker 2: you're perfectly fine, nothing nothing different than yesterday when you're 464 00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:18,920 Speaker 2: a pedophile, and that seems kind of crazy true. On 465 00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:24,640 Speaker 2: the other hand, have some self control, you weirdo, since 466 00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:28,320 Speaker 2: there's really no difference between her yesterday and tomorrow, if 467 00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:32,600 Speaker 2: the face or birthday, wait till they're eighteen, you freaking creeps. 468 00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:37,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, there's there's that forbidden fruit. Yeah, there's something 469 00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:40,440 Speaker 1: weird really young. Yes, it is a crime and it 470 00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:41,600 Speaker 1: is the sick and it should be. 471 00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:43,840 Speaker 2: And if I had a daughter, if you had sex 472 00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:45,800 Speaker 2: with her when she's seventeen, I'm shooting you. And if 473 00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:47,800 Speaker 2: you have sex when she's with her when she's five, 474 00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:51,600 Speaker 2: I'm definitely shooting you either way. But they're different things. Yeah, 475 00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:54,800 Speaker 2: And I don't so I don't call the whole he's 476 00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:57,240 Speaker 2: a pedophile thing. I just don't think that works. 477 00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:00,440 Speaker 1: And now people are ripping Megan Kelly for saying that, 478 00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:02,760 Speaker 1: saying I was a victim and blah blah blah. 479 00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:05,960 Speaker 2: No it's it's not we're not saying it's fine. But 480 00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:08,440 Speaker 2: that's as I pointed out, I'd shoot you either way. 481 00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:11,680 Speaker 2: There you go. One of them end up with a 482 00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:13,320 Speaker 2: bullet hole to me. To me, one of them is 483 00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:16,719 Speaker 2: like you just have you're you're a weirdo with bad judgment. 484 00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:19,080 Speaker 2: The other one is your brain does not work at all. 485 00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:25,680 Speaker 2: You should be locked away from society forever. Ding AnyWho, 486 00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:30,399 Speaker 2: what's the I think fifteen the youngest I've heard of, 487 00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:33,280 Speaker 2: which is just sick and twisted and awful. 488 00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:36,000 Speaker 1: But yeah, we got at least one email that was 489 00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:38,520 Speaker 1: talking about how the age of consent is sixteen in 490 00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:39,200 Speaker 1: a bunch. 491 00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:41,400 Speaker 2: Of stat's true. That's a good point right there. 492 00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:46,000 Speaker 1: And you know the line you talk about gray areas, 493 00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:53,120 Speaker 1: the line between wooing somebody and grooming them and manipulating 494 00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:57,200 Speaker 1: them if they are of the age of consent. It's 495 00:26:57,560 --> 00:27:00,280 Speaker 1: it's a fine line. I mean, I know when I 496 00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:00,760 Speaker 1: see it. 497 00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:07,280 Speaker 2: But there are going to be a whole bunch of 498 00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:11,040 Speaker 2: well known names having to explain themselves here in the 499 00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:13,040 Speaker 2: next couple of weeks, as soon as all these documents 500 00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:15,640 Speaker 2: come out. And they may not have done anything illegal 501 00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:18,160 Speaker 2: ever at any point, but they're going to be out 502 00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:23,040 Speaker 2: there explaining to journalists on camera why they rode on 503 00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:25,320 Speaker 2: the plane here or said this or sent this email 504 00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:27,920 Speaker 2: or whatever, just like Larry Summers did the other day. 505 00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:34,760 Speaker 2: And he didn't commit any crime. 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UH. 533 00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:01,560 Speaker 1: Department of Health and You and Services put out their 534 00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:05,520 Speaker 1: big gender care review of the science and said there 535 00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:10,080 Speaker 1: is no science to support this gender benning madness, especially 536 00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:14,000 Speaker 1: for kids. The pro gender benning manas crowd had no 537 00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:18,840 Speaker 1: substantive criticisms. They couldn't come up with anything to refute 538 00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:22,680 Speaker 1: the new report it. We are going, well, I already am. 539 00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:26,000 Speaker 1: We are soon all of us going to look back 540 00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:30,920 Speaker 1: on that period of mutilating and pumping kids through permanent 541 00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:35,400 Speaker 1: changing chemicals because they were momentarily confused about their gender 542 00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:38,880 Speaker 1: or there was a social contagion of gender bending menace, 543 00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:40,600 Speaker 1: and we're going to think, how in the name of 544 00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:43,120 Speaker 1: God did we let something so terrible happen. 545 00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:46,640 Speaker 2: One of the craziest things that's ever happened. I would agree, Yeah, 546 00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:51,520 Speaker 2: absolutely so I'm following that following this story today, President 547 00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:55,120 Speaker 2: Zolensky has just spoken with the leaders of France, UK 548 00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:59,400 Speaker 2: and Germany about this proposal that Trump has given. Zolensky 549 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:03,800 Speaker 2: make it by Thanksgiving or we cut off aid is 550 00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:08,160 Speaker 2: the deal, and it's like all favorable to Russia, nothing 551 00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:10,960 Speaker 2: favorable to Ukraine other than the war ending. Well, you 552 00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:12,280 Speaker 2: have to give a plan, you have to cut your 553 00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:14,200 Speaker 2: army in half, you get no foreign troops on your 554 00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:17,800 Speaker 2: on your ground. Russia gets to get back on, you know, 555 00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:21,280 Speaker 2: and the good graces of the economy around the world 556 00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:23,080 Speaker 2: and everything like that. So to become an even bigger 557 00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:26,000 Speaker 2: threat in the future. It's just a horrible deal. But 558 00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:27,840 Speaker 2: I don't know what other does he mean it or 559 00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:29,920 Speaker 2: is he gonna forget about it in two days? Trump? 560 00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:34,000 Speaker 2: I think this is pretty serious. He's had the Secretary 561 00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:36,080 Speaker 2: of the Army over there working on it, and I 562 00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:38,800 Speaker 2: think it's pretty serious. Oof. I don't know what i'd 563 00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:40,800 Speaker 2: do if I is Lensky. Anyway, lots of news to follow, 564 00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:47,479 Speaker 2: stay here. Speaking of music, I became aware of an 565 00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:49,360 Speaker 2: album yesterday that I'm going to listen to a lot 566 00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:53,080 Speaker 2: during the vacation. This is only matters if you like 567 00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:55,200 Speaker 2: jazz in any way whatsoever. I just became at this 568 00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:59,200 Speaker 2: album where this album yesterday, it's called the Quintet Jazz 569 00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:02,960 Speaker 2: at Massy Hall, and it doesn't have any of the 570 00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:04,600 Speaker 2: names in it, And I think that's how I've missed 571 00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:06,200 Speaker 2: it all this year, is it's just called the Quintete. 572 00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:10,400 Speaker 2: It's Charlie Parker, Dizzey Gillispie, Bud powellum piano, Max Roach 573 00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:13,600 Speaker 2: on the drums, and Charles Mingus on the base. It 574 00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:16,360 Speaker 2: might be the greatest lineup in the history of jazz 575 00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:20,360 Speaker 2: music or any music really, and I've been listening to it. 576 00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:22,680 Speaker 2: It's just flipping fantastic. But one of the interesting things, 577 00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:25,840 Speaker 2: isn't that I wanted to talk about, is they think 578 00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:30,280 Speaker 2: it's the last time that Dizzey Gillispie and Charlie Parker 579 00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:32,760 Speaker 2: ever played together, either in a recording or played together 580 00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:35,479 Speaker 2: at all. So they invented bop together, and they were 581 00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:37,240 Speaker 2: the biggest thing in the world during the forties. And 582 00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:39,080 Speaker 2: if I had a time machine and could do something 583 00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:43,040 Speaker 2: that's not majorly important, I would go back to the 584 00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:46,800 Speaker 2: forties to see Charlie Parker Dizzy Gillispie doing their thing 585 00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:49,080 Speaker 2: in like nineteen forty six. And they aren't like really 586 00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:52,240 Speaker 2: any recordings of that. Just like lots of writing about 587 00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:56,200 Speaker 2: how flipping amazing it was. But Charlie Parker became a 588 00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:59,480 Speaker 2: drunk and a heroin addict. If you've seen the movie 589 00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:02,880 Speaker 2: that Clint Eastwood did about it, you know how he 590 00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:07,000 Speaker 2: died fairly young and he Charlie Parker. Yeah, in the 591 00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:09,600 Speaker 2: name of the movie is Bird and Charlie Bird Parker. 592 00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:14,000 Speaker 2: And so he became a heroon Addict. And so he 593 00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:15,960 Speaker 2: would play in the band and he would regularly he'd 594 00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:18,760 Speaker 2: be nodding, as the heroin addicts say, he'd be kind 595 00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:20,640 Speaker 2: of half asleep, and it'd be time for his solo, 596 00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:22,440 Speaker 2: and then somebody would elbow woman and then he'd stand 597 00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:24,640 Speaker 2: up and play. And for many years he could just 598 00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:27,000 Speaker 2: stand up and play brilliantly, and the crowded go wild, 599 00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:28,840 Speaker 2: and he said down, look, you can only pull that 600 00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:32,200 Speaker 2: off for so long. And eventually he wasn't showing up 601 00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:35,479 Speaker 2: and he was playing poorly, and Dizzy Gillispie had had 602 00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:38,760 Speaker 2: his fill of it and kicked him out of the 603 00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:40,920 Speaker 2: band and wouldn't play with him anymore. So Charlie Parker 604 00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:45,640 Speaker 2: then hires nineteen year old college student Miles Davis to 605 00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:48,720 Speaker 2: be his I don't need you Dizzy, and hires Miles 606 00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:51,239 Speaker 2: Davis to be his trumpet player, and then they move 607 00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:53,680 Speaker 2: forward with that and that's where. And I've talked about 608 00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:57,880 Speaker 2: this before. Miles davis autobiography is freaking fantastic, and I 609 00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:00,200 Speaker 2: suggest listening to it because the guy to his does 610 00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:02,560 Speaker 2: an impersonation of his voice telling all the stories. But 611 00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:06,080 Speaker 2: Miles Davis has a story in there about how disgusting 612 00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:08,560 Speaker 2: Charlie Parker could be. And he has to pick him 613 00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:12,280 Speaker 2: up in a cab and Charlie Parker gets in with 614 00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:14,920 Speaker 2: a bottle of beer and a box of chicken, and 615 00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:18,320 Speaker 2: a prostitute gets in the backseat of this cab and 616 00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:22,520 Speaker 2: he's having sex with this woman while he's eating fried chicken, 617 00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:26,240 Speaker 2: and Miles Davis describes just how disgusting it was, the 618 00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:29,120 Speaker 2: sounds and the noises coming out of there, between the 619 00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:32,040 Speaker 2: sex and the smacking his lips with the chicken and 620 00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:34,800 Speaker 2: licking his fingers from the chicken, and I'm having more 621 00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:40,800 Speaker 2: sex and driving around and drinking beer. It is an 622 00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:44,240 Speaker 2: amazing description in that chapter of that whole thing. It's 623 00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:48,520 Speaker 2: worth reading the book just for that. That is quite 624 00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:51,160 Speaker 2: the lifestyle. And Charlie Parker would he would he'd run 625 00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:53,160 Speaker 2: out of money for her hair and on beer, and 626 00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:56,560 Speaker 2: so he would pawn his freaking saxophone, so he couldn't 627 00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:58,400 Speaker 2: play that night, so he could get drunk again, and 628 00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:00,720 Speaker 2: then somebody'd have to come, you know, but pay the 629 00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:02,560 Speaker 2: pawn shop to get his saxophone out so you could 630 00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:03,880 Speaker 2: go to the club to make a little more money. 631 00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:08,440 Speaker 1: Now, certainly I'm in favor of committed monogamous relationships, but 632 00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:11,960 Speaker 1: the whole sex and fried chicken thing, I'm not ready 633 00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:12,560 Speaker 1: to condemn it. 634 00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:15,840 Speaker 2: Gotta admit between in a loving couple as opposed to 635 00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:19,280 Speaker 2: a prostitute, Yes, that would be a pretty good afternoon. 636 00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:22,240 Speaker 2: Got some beer, got the sex, got my fried chicken, 637 00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:26,839 Speaker 2: driving around the city and joining the view the simultaneous thing. 638 00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:29,160 Speaker 2: I think you'd have to try that. 639 00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:32,279 Speaker 1: It sounds like, how do you focus on the deliciousness 640 00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:34,360 Speaker 1: of the chicken or indeed. 641 00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:37,640 Speaker 2: The you know, the manly duties that There's obviously lots 642 00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:39,640 Speaker 2: of words I can't say on the air, But indeed 643 00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:42,719 Speaker 2: the description by Miles Davis of the noises in the 644 00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:46,920 Speaker 2: lipsmacking just gross. He thought he was gonna throw up 645 00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:47,959 Speaker 2: a wow. 646 00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:51,040 Speaker 1: You remember I was. I was in that incredibly crowded 647 00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:53,400 Speaker 1: city bus going away from a forty nine ers playoff 648 00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:56,719 Speaker 1: game after it rained like crazy as an overtime game. 649 00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:58,320 Speaker 2: Everybody left it once and we're. 650 00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:00,880 Speaker 1: Packed in like a Tokyo subway car, and this hammered 651 00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:04,560 Speaker 1: couple next to me was just making out like crazy 652 00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:08,239 Speaker 1: and it was so off putting. I love love, but 653 00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:11,320 Speaker 1: I don't need you love at each other six inches 654 00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:11,920 Speaker 1: from my ear. 655 00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:14,000 Speaker 2: Can imagine if they've been eating fried chicken at the 656 00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:19,520 Speaker 2: same time to take me a leg overlook it coming up. 657 00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:26,000 Speaker 1: Gender bending madness, major scientific update and semi related an 658 00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:29,560 Speaker 1: email we just got Joe Getty saved my life and 659 00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:33,120 Speaker 1: I'm not reading this out of self aggrandizement. It's really 660 00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:39,719 Speaker 1: pretty interesting and it's again tangentially related. Trying to guess 661 00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:43,000 Speaker 1: how that happened, Like you didn't give CPR to someone. 662 00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:43,960 Speaker 2: This is no sir. 663 00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:46,279 Speaker 1: If you don't get our four, you gotta follow a 664 00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:51,200 Speaker 1: subscribe to the podcast Armstrong and Getty on demand Armstrong 665 00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:51,840 Speaker 1: and Getty