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Speaker 1: the Star in Frisco. Eta. Here are Mickey Spagnola, Brian Brons,
Speaker 1: Rob Phillips, and Bill Jones And welcome into Talking Cowboys
Speaker 1: inside the SWBC Mortgage studio here from the Star in Frisco.
Speaker 1: Rob Phillips filling in for Bill Jones today got Brian
Speaker 1: brought us as always, across the table from me, Mickey
Speaker 1: Spagnola to my right, Caden and Will producing next door. Hello, Jents,
Speaker 1: Well up, Robert, Robert, Well, what's up? Is Thursday practice?
Speaker 1: There go those Green Bay Packers? Yeah, at and T
Speaker 1: Stadium Sunday three twenty five kick and we talked a
Speaker 1: lot about trying to defend Aaron Rodgers yesterday as usual,
Speaker 1: no easy chore there, and we broke down some of
Speaker 1: the injuries on both sides that these teams are dealing
Speaker 1: with a month into the season. We got a little
Speaker 1: more clarity on that today and we'll see what the
Speaker 1: you know, what the Cowboys can do with some of
Speaker 1: their injuries, especially up front. What are you guys here
Speaker 1: and there? Well, I would think depends which front you're
Speaker 1: talking about. You're that's a good question, that's a good point.
Speaker 1: Maybe start with the offensive because I was gonna say,
Speaker 1: I see little hope for Tyrone Crawford to get back. No,
Speaker 1: Tyron Smith is out. Yes, I got a feeling Collins
Speaker 1: they're gonna do what they need to do to get
Speaker 1: them to the game. Yeah. I think it'll be similar
Speaker 1: to what they've been doing with Zach Martin. It's like,
Speaker 1: don't wear them out during the week and let that
Speaker 1: back heal up as good as possible, and then have
Speaker 1: him ready to play in the game. I mak He's
Speaker 1: absolutely right about Collins. I think he'll be practicing tomorrow
Speaker 1: when they go out there. Nothing today but give him
Speaker 1: another day. They gave him Wednesday with the pads outside.
Speaker 1: They got that taken care of. They give him today
Speaker 1: and then they just practice him up on Friday, you
Speaker 1: know when he needs to the short yardage, goal line
Speaker 1: stuff that they're gonna do. Think two minutes involved as well,
Speaker 1: So yeah, I think that you know, if they can,
Speaker 1: if they can get him to the game, I think
Speaker 1: that's the most important thing for them. They're gonna need
Speaker 1: him to play. They can't go into this game down
Speaker 1: two offensive tackles, and I think they realize that, and
Speaker 1: you know that's why we're seeing Connor Williams move around
Speaker 1: and you know, try and fill a couple of spots.
Speaker 1: But yeah, they need to get they need to get
Speaker 1: LC out there ready to go. Yeah, it was almost
Speaker 1: good that they get Williams some snaps at tackle just
Speaker 1: in case, absolutely, because if something happens in the game,
Speaker 1: then he's probably the next guy up out there. They
Speaker 1: were planning to do that. You know, he was going
Speaker 1: to be part of the rotation Smith out with Smith out, Yeah,
Speaker 1: he was gonna get some rotational snaps. So this would
Speaker 1: just give him a full actually a couple of two
Speaker 1: full practices to you know, the things that offensive tackles
Speaker 1: that are. It's different for them as far as playing guard.
Speaker 1: You know, we talk about everything that goes on inside,
Speaker 1: but it's also the way you look at the rusher,
Speaker 1: how you play on your outside eye. You know, you
Speaker 1: have to be able to see that rusher and so
Speaker 1: you know, with with guard you kind of get all
Speaker 1: in the big muddle there, but on that tackle you
Speaker 1: have to be able to have that vision to kind
Speaker 1: of see that guy to the outside. So it's good
Speaker 1: that Connor Williams, if he has to go out there,
Speaker 1: at least that's not something. And then and it jogs
Speaker 1: brings back memories of him. Okay, when I was at
Speaker 1: Texas and I was playing left tackle, I kick kick
Speaker 1: kick punch, you know, kick kick, kick punch. You know,
Speaker 1: he gets him back in that rhythm again. And if
Speaker 1: the if the Packers continue to play their outside linebackers
Speaker 1: the way they have, Brian's right that that guy's pretty
Speaker 1: wide world wide. You can't sit there and be looking
Speaker 1: out there and say, okay, that's the guy. He's coming
Speaker 1: right exactly. So the peripheral vision a little bit port
Speaker 1: brings it back to him. Yeah, when you studied him
Speaker 1: at Texas and graded him pre draft, Williamson, did you
Speaker 1: grade him as a tackle or a guard? Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: I did. We grade him as a tackle. And the
Speaker 1: thing that it was impressive, And I've said this before
Speaker 1: many a time with Dave helm and I we did
Speaker 1: our Texas swing, the Texas trying where we went through
Speaker 1: the you know Texas A and M A University of
Speaker 1: Texas and we were there for the pro days, and
Speaker 1: I remember the Saints offensive line coach was working him
Speaker 1: out as as a not only a tackle, a guard
Speaker 1: and also as a center, so they were looking at
Speaker 1: all three spots for him. They thought that he had
Speaker 1: that kind of flexibility. But his grades when when the
Speaker 1: season started, he was one of the top tackles in
Speaker 1: the draft, and then he got hurt and then things
Speaker 1: kind of fell apart for him a little bit and
Speaker 1: then lasted to the second round, but still very talented
Speaker 1: players as we've seen. How do you guys think he's
Speaker 1: played so far left guard through four games. I think
Speaker 1: there's you know, Garrett likes to say, you know, it's
Speaker 1: there's some good, but then there's some things you need
Speaker 1: to work on. And I think that's a fair assessment
Speaker 1: to him. And I'm not trying to ride the fence
Speaker 1: and say, oh, he's been horrible. He's been boy, he's
Speaker 1: been really great and oversell it and all that. I
Speaker 1: think when you grate sixty five plays to him, there
Speaker 1: could be sixty plays that are really good and then
Speaker 1: there's five plays where you go, man, if he just
Speaker 1: was a little bit more patient. I think that's where
Speaker 1: Lyle Collins is kind of making some hay right now
Speaker 1: that he is no longer being so aggressive that he
Speaker 1: has to punch, he has to say he has to.
Speaker 1: You know. It's this thing where he's like, Okay, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna let this rusher come to me. I'm strong enough,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna set, I'm gonna bend my knees and I'm
Speaker 1: gonna take this guy out. And I think that's where
Speaker 1: Connor Williams hasn't learned yet. I think Connor Williams really
Speaker 1: trust himself to sit there and play patiently enough. When
Speaker 1: a guy on his nose, he wants to get that
Speaker 1: first punch to stop the charge. And then he's and
Speaker 1: then he gets a little overextended when he misses. See
Speaker 1: with Collins, that was a problem with Collins. You know, Mickey,
Speaker 1: we've all watched practice before. When Collins is bad. What's
Speaker 1: wrong with Collins? His hands, his hands go outside and
Speaker 1: he doesn't get that inside punch. If you're patient, you
Speaker 1: fire your hands inside, you get control and then you work.
Speaker 1: Connor Williams, those five plays I talk about will get
Speaker 1: over extended, he'll get beat and he'll look bad. But overall,
Speaker 1: I mean their offensive lineman. They would love to have
Speaker 1: his athletic ability, his ability to bend, to turn, to
Speaker 1: get the second level, to get out on a screen.
Speaker 1: You know, all those things are really really positive about
Speaker 1: him as a player. But he's just, you know, he's
Speaker 1: he's a young guy. He's gonna, you know, when they
Speaker 1: when he gets into where he's twenty six, twenty seven,
Speaker 1: twenty eight years old, he's gonna learn how to whole
Speaker 1: trip and clip, you know, and when he learns all
Speaker 1: those things, I think he'll be all right. And he's
Speaker 1: pretty smart and he'll learn that stuff. And I think
Speaker 1: what happens when you're judging offensive lineman as a whole.
Speaker 1: We judge how they perform pass block, and if guy
Speaker 1: gets by him, then okay, this guy's not playing well.
Speaker 1: But no one says, well, he's got to be better
Speaker 1: against the run, right, you know, because he's been good
Speaker 1: against the run. I think that And I'm kind of
Speaker 1: the same way a little bit with Cam Fleming. I
Speaker 1: judge him how he passed protects, and if you watch
Speaker 1: him run block, and it's like it ain't pretty, but
Speaker 1: he kind of gets it done. Yeah, he's better run
Speaker 1: blocking than he is pass blocking. That's true. I don't
Speaker 1: know if that makes sense or not when you're you
Speaker 1: know that big. But so if if if Williams whiffs
Speaker 1: on a on a pass block, like Brian said, once
Speaker 1: out of sixty five, and it's like, wow, he's not playing, well, yeah,
Speaker 1: well what about the other snaps a lot of plays
Speaker 1: in the game over Yeah, see, that's what you're not playing.
Speaker 1: You know those first three games, the offensive line, you
Speaker 1: weren't sitting there going, oh man, they're making a bunch
Speaker 1: of mistakes. Yeah, you know, they were pretty good where
Speaker 1: you saw the problems if you want to grade run
Speaker 1: blocking problems, Yeah, against the Saints, where if you do
Speaker 1: miss a guy then it's very evident. Zekielett for one.
Speaker 1: You know when they when they when they miss a
Speaker 1: backside scoop, Ezekielett for three, Ezeki Elett for two. You
Speaker 1: know that's where all of a sudden you start going, Okay,
Speaker 1: they're struggling in this and and and trust me, five
Speaker 1: guys struggled in that football game run block. In the
Speaker 1: other day, Travis Frederick provided some insight on that yesterday said,
Speaker 1: there really weren't that many plays where everybody was in
Speaker 1: concert at the same he's the same time and The
Speaker 1: Saints also did a good job of bringing some he
Speaker 1: called it generalized pressures where they can run, they can
Speaker 1: work whether it's a run or a pass right, and
Speaker 1: they were effective doing that and dialed up some good stuff. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and he thought the pre credit, he thought he thought
Speaker 1: the communication was fine. They didn't They didn't really misscommunicate
Speaker 1: on anything over the noise, but it was just the
Speaker 1: execution part with the ball was I think that was
Speaker 1: the biggest problem in that game for them. I mean,
Speaker 1: they didn't have a sack until that final drive of
Speaker 1: the game. I mean there's some pressure, but you're gonna
Speaker 1: get pressure in the National Football League. You're gonna get
Speaker 1: You're gonna get your quarterback are riled up a little bit.
Speaker 1: But I think the run blocking is something when they
Speaker 1: go back and to say, Okay, maybe my head didn't
Speaker 1: get all the way across, Maybe I'd got to take
Speaker 1: a better step, Maybe I need to take a flatter
Speaker 1: zone step to get that guy. I think there were
Speaker 1: some things technique wise that hurt them in the running
Speaker 1: game there, you know what, And I think you got
Speaker 1: you gotta credit seek yesterday because people were asking him
Speaker 1: questions like do you feel like you need to come
Speaker 1: back and redeem yourself. That's all right, Well, try being
Speaker 1: a running back when no one's blocking for you. Never.
Speaker 1: That's why running backs are always very complimentary of their
Speaker 1: offensive line. They know they're not doing that by themselves.
Speaker 1: And he didn't do that by himself thirty five yards.
Speaker 1: It wasn't like he didn't know where he was going
Speaker 1: or he wasn't running hard. Now, sure he's he's taken,
Speaker 1: you know, full blame for the fumble, which wasn't a fumble,
Speaker 1: but good for him. So I thought he liked that
Speaker 1: he handled all that so well yesterday he didn't say like, well, yeah,
Speaker 1: no one's blocking for me, not me. Now. He never
Speaker 1: does that with his line, and he's always the first
Speaker 1: to give him credit. So we'll see. We talked about
Speaker 1: the Packers run defense. Maybe there's some opportunities there maybe
Speaker 1: or maybe they're really gonna keep we'll see. Um, okay,
Speaker 1: let's let's run down the injury report again. Michael Gallop,
Speaker 1: what did you see from him yesterday? What are your
Speaker 1: thoughts on him as we get into Thursday? Here, Michael
Speaker 1: gap is playing a little possum mickey, Yeah, I think so.
Speaker 1: I think he's ready to go. He's ready to go. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's he's gonna in the media, it's gotta come out. Well,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm gonna. I like what he's doing because
Speaker 1: I think Michael Gallup is ready to go, because I
Speaker 1: think he told us yesterday today will be the test. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Well he had to see what happened after he practiced
Speaker 1: on because when you've had a scope like that, sometimes
Speaker 1: your your knee will swell up. Yeah, get more activity.
Speaker 1: So I think that's what he meant because he was
Speaker 1: running just fine that I saw. They were talking about
Speaker 1: a fifteen yard dig that he ran where he just
Speaker 1: you know, ran hard up the field, burst inside and
Speaker 1: then caught the ball and then went on the move.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, okay, you guys, Yeah, I know,
Speaker 1: Michael's Michael looked good out there. They were really happy
Speaker 1: the way he now. Mickey's right now. Now they practiced
Speaker 1: on the turf today. They were on grass yesterday's. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so we'll see if if you know, if there's maybe
Speaker 1: more a little bit more limitation. We'll play on turf
Speaker 1: on Sunday, same type of field. But you know, they
Speaker 1: will see with this one. But all indications coming out
Speaker 1: of practice, I think that Michael Gallup was kind of
Speaker 1: playing with you a little bit there. He also does
Speaker 1: Britt was calling for him to go get treatment after
Speaker 1: it was like, you've had one practice, you know. He
Speaker 1: doesn't want to get in trouble either with that training staff, like, oh,
Speaker 1: let's just take this day by day, do what they
Speaker 1: tell me to do. Yeah, but it's looking like he's
Speaker 1: on track to get back after a couple of weeks,
Speaker 1: which is really impressive. Britt will come and find you, now,
Speaker 1: that's right, Yeah, he will. I saw him do that
Speaker 1: last week with Antoine. I think Antoine was a little
Speaker 1: late getting back over there, and don't make him more.
Speaker 1: He got the he got the eye. Yeah, are you
Speaker 1: done yet? You know kind of that you've done? Yett?
Speaker 1: You do, and I'm waiting for you. Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: Anything else pop up on the injury report that's of
Speaker 1: concern or of note to you, Mick on the Cowboys side,
Speaker 1: because I think the guys that were listed as limited,
Speaker 1: uh yeah, it was. It was good that Antoine Woods
Speaker 1: was listed as limited, which means he finally did something
Speaker 1: and he was walking around without any any sleeve on
Speaker 1: his knees. Yeah. Uh, and he seemed to be moving.
Speaker 1: You never can tell with him because when he walked
Speaker 1: by a straight it's like, oh no, Bryce, no, no
Speaker 1: sleeve he goes, we'll need it. Yeah, you know, okay,
Speaker 1: so but that's him, right, he's ready to go. They
Speaker 1: probably have to tie him down, and that's a that's
Speaker 1: a good thing. Uh. The new one that was limited
Speaker 1: Chris Jones got a little bit of a sore back. Uh.
Speaker 1: But it sounds like Chris Jones would have soar back.
Speaker 1: It's much better than the alternative, which would be more punting. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so I wouldn't worry about that. If anything different with Tank.
Speaker 1: He was a heel Jail said it was a heel Bruce.
Speaker 1: So that's not good. That's not good. But that's something
Speaker 1: you probably deal with, right pat in the shoe kind
Speaker 1: of a thing. Kind of work through it and see
Speaker 1: what you can. Again, that's probably the best thing is
Speaker 1: to stay off it, get as much treatment. Just can't
Speaker 1: I know which you could really treat about it. Maybe
Speaker 1: you know, keep it in ice and keep it to
Speaker 1: keep it, you know, trying to keep the swelling down
Speaker 1: on it and push that blood out of there. But
Speaker 1: this says knee shoulder, But didn't we find it's a heel.
Speaker 1: Maybe you got a lot of stuff. Maybe he's got
Speaker 1: a lot of Yeah, he's maybe he's dealing with some
Speaker 1: few things. Speaking of heels, they'll be there, don't worry.
Speaker 1: Amari had the heel thing in camp. On one side,
Speaker 1: he had the he's got the ankle that he's listed on.
Speaker 1: On the other side, he says, it's nothing that's going
Speaker 1: to prevent me from performing. So got a big challenge
Speaker 1: this week too. He downplayed it. Yeah he did. And
Speaker 1: he's a tough guy though. I think people were trying
Speaker 1: to hand him an excuse and he was having He's
Speaker 1: not going to take that, which kind of before we
Speaker 1: get to break. And by the way, five two two
Speaker 1: nine seven, when we come back from break, Brand's got
Speaker 1: some questions, which I love. But you wrote about two
Speaker 1: guys in the Packers secondary of note and this is
Speaker 1: a young group and a young talented group, right, yeah
Speaker 1: it is, and you know, and we need to see
Speaker 1: what the Kevin King was out right, mickey, and it
Speaker 1: was a groin. Yeah, thank you. By the way, No
Speaker 1: Davante Adams on the offensive side. Yeah, you know, it's
Speaker 1: funny you talk to people because he was kind of
Speaker 1: working a little bit pre practice, and people were like, oh,
Speaker 1: maybe maybe not. I'll get that status for what he thinks.
Speaker 1: I mean a lot of people think that he's out
Speaker 1: and hopefully he is out again. I'm not cheerlyinging for
Speaker 1: injury if you if you judge by how Lafour answered
Speaker 1: the question, it was basically I read that in his
Speaker 1: press conference he said nothing new there, referred to the
Speaker 1: injury report, which means I'm not telling you anything. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and usually that means I'm not telling you anything bad. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So that that I always look at that when they
Speaker 1: say that, Well, just he wouldn't even talk about it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So we'll see. Because, like I say, they've had problems
Speaker 1: with King before he's he's he's a guy that plays
Speaker 1: a few games and then gets nicked up and then
Speaker 1: doesn't play a couple of games. If he's out again,
Speaker 1: that Traymont Williams having to go at it, Josh Jackson
Speaker 1: having to go at a safety, Will Redman will have
Speaker 1: to go at it. So yeah, if the Cowboys, you know,
Speaker 1: if they could find a way to take advantage of
Speaker 1: some guys that get on that field, by all means,
Speaker 1: please do that is staying away from Jerry Alexander, I
Speaker 1: think is the best best plan for these guys right now.
Speaker 1: You're a fan of his work, yeah, I am, I am.
Speaker 1: I'm a real fan of his work. He's one of
Speaker 1: those guys. He's one of the top cornerbacks in the league,
Speaker 1: you know, and he's he probably doesn't get enough credit
Speaker 1: as he actually deserves. But when you watch him play,
Speaker 1: he's got some special traits to him. He sure does.
Speaker 1: And Savage as well. I mean, that's another guy stocked
Speaker 1: up some young drafted drafting to him in the first round.
Speaker 1: He's a safety from Maryland. He could play, he could
Speaker 1: play in the slot as well. He's comfortable covering. You
Speaker 1: have to be aware of him coming up and knocking
Speaker 1: the ball loose. He's a he's one of those guys
Speaker 1: it has a feel for how to create turnovers. Uh.
Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins was running up the field and all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, ball gets punched out of his hand because
Speaker 1: of Darnell Savage coming up, and you know, it was like, oh,
Speaker 1: you gotta be careful hitting a quarterback. Well, I mean that,
Speaker 1: I mean you can't punch the ball out of his hands.
Speaker 1: And that's what they were able to do, so keep
Speaker 1: an eye on him. He Now, I will say this
Speaker 1: about him in the Philadelphia game, there was a couple
Speaker 1: of times in space where he missed some tackles. They've
Speaker 1: had some problems with some tackling going on in Green Bay.
Speaker 1: So if the Cowboys can kind of get some things
Speaker 1: going in space, break some runs, get some yards after
Speaker 1: catch or yards after contact, then I think that, you know,
Speaker 1: that would abode well in this game for them. You
Speaker 1: think we're at a point with Michael Gallup that having
Speaker 1: him back just impacts everybody else on that offensive side
Speaker 1: of the ball. I mean, is that how much he's grown.
Speaker 1: His energy is huge. The way he plays because he's
Speaker 1: such a he reminds me a little bit. And again
Speaker 1: this is gonna sound maybe off, but remember the energy
Speaker 1: that does Bryant brought when he caught a ball and
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, it's exploding up the field
Speaker 1: and you're watching guys run and they're trying to tackle
Speaker 1: him and stuff that's contagious to an offense. They see that,
Speaker 1: you know, and all of a sudden defenders feel that
Speaker 1: and they know this, Oh geez, we got to deal
Speaker 1: with this all day you could. You could destroy someone's
Speaker 1: will to compete if you just keep making plays on him.
Speaker 1: You know. That's and that's what Michael Gallup can do
Speaker 1: for you. And we talked about his ability to take
Speaker 1: the ball inside and just explode up the field or
Speaker 1: go vertically and then get the ball over the top.
Speaker 1: So you get a guy that could beat you underneath,
Speaker 1: intermediate and down the field, and it just brings the
Speaker 1: energy and the and the juice that the offense needs.
Speaker 1: All of a sudden, you throw him the ball, it's
Speaker 1: a seven yard pass, it goes for eighteen. That's that's
Speaker 1: big time stuff for you right there. And his will
Speaker 1: to fight for the ball too, you know. And and
Speaker 1: I'm not comparing him to him, but that that was
Speaker 1: the same thing Michael Irvin had. Michael Irvin won the
Speaker 1: fastest receiver, but once he got the ball in his hand,
Speaker 1: he was tough to bring. Guys didn't want to tackle Nope.
Speaker 1: And they didn't want to tackle Dez nope. You know,
Speaker 1: once he got a head of steam going no, there's like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I'll act like i want to, but I'm not doing
Speaker 1: I think he started because when you look at him now,
Speaker 1: he is so much stronger than what he was last year. Question.
Speaker 1: It's amazing. Yeah, that first offseason always makes a difference
Speaker 1: for these young guys. All right, let's take our first
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Speaker 1: few minutes. Cowboys get back to practice indoors today on
Speaker 1: a Thursday. Brian, you got some questions for us today. Yes,
Speaker 1: if you could limit one thing from Aaron Rodgers game
Speaker 1: this week, what would it be? His right arm? You
Speaker 1: think the answer think throwing the football is going to be.
Speaker 1: I would his ability to get outside the pocket. And
Speaker 1: he thought that would take care of him when he
Speaker 1: had a basically torn calf muscle in that playoff game
Speaker 1: and on one lay, he still will manage to get
Speaker 1: out there and just frustrate him with So you're saying
Speaker 1: the mobility, yeah, he's I mean, he's good in the pocket,
Speaker 1: don't get me right, But I think he got a
Speaker 1: fairer chance for your secondary than him out there improvising.
Speaker 1: He and you know this better than any of us.
Speaker 1: But he's not Brett Farve. They've got different games. But
Speaker 1: he does remind me of Brett in the way he can.
Speaker 1: He's not a scrambler in us. Well, he can be,
Speaker 1: but buying extra time in the pocket for himself or
Speaker 1: taken off and running, it's the whole keep him in
Speaker 1: the well thing. Rod, You're gonna hear Rod and Christoph
Speaker 1: Shard say that today this week, I guarantee you I
Speaker 1: think I could eliminate his vision. I would say, please
Speaker 1: take away his vision, his ability to see the way
Speaker 1: he does down the field. You guys talked about hit
Speaker 1: the mobility party, but he sees everything developing down the field.
Speaker 1: And he's so good at just going to the room
Speaker 1: when you make a mistake. He finds the mistake out there.
Speaker 1: You know. So that's well, yeah, it's a good point
Speaker 1: because I was talking with Jeff Heath about it, and
Speaker 1: you know, he's had to play against him so many times,
Speaker 1: and he said, it's really weird. He said, but because
Speaker 1: you when you look at him, his eyes are down
Speaker 1: like he's looking where he's gonna move, he said, But
Speaker 1: for some reason, with his eyes down, he still sees
Speaker 1: down the field right. It's he said, it's very deceptive
Speaker 1: because he's always looking for a crease, and then all
Speaker 1: of a sudden he's up and he finds a guy
Speaker 1: down field. That's a lot of trust in your receivers.
Speaker 1: Then you know where they're going to be. That's exactly,
Speaker 1: and he's got some I'll get to that question here
Speaker 1: in a little bit. My next question few boys is
Speaker 1: do you help Cam flimming off the jump or do
Speaker 1: you see how it goes to start off the jump,
Speaker 1: just so there's not a breakdown early for your offense. Yeah,
Speaker 1: if you want. I I just think that you're going
Speaker 1: to see a tight end over there quite a bit.
Speaker 1: Normally a lot of times you see the tight end
Speaker 1: tight to the right side. That's the strong side to run.
Speaker 1: But I think in passing situations or if you want
Speaker 1: to pass, I think you just need to have some
Speaker 1: protection over there. And it's not like the guy's got
Speaker 1: to stay there and double team all the time. Sure,
Speaker 1: just get in the way, Nicol, run over ye, get
Speaker 1: to the ball. Yeah. It's like a lot of times
Speaker 1: last year when they played Washington in that first game,
Speaker 1: the tight end was kind of behind covering. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: was kind of behind him all you know, like I
Speaker 1: kept saying, in his hip pocket, it went right behind him,
Speaker 1: but off to the side. And then Fleming knows that
Speaker 1: he got to protect the inside. He's got to help
Speaker 1: to the outside or you know a lot of times
Speaker 1: they were you know, people don't like that too tight
Speaker 1: end formation, but you know it's not a bad thing
Speaker 1: on that side. Robert, I agree, it's a formula that's
Speaker 1: worked for him. They got two wins, I believe with
Speaker 1: him in the starting lineup last year, so I would
Speaker 1: I would stick with that. But I mean, I'm a
Speaker 1: feeling they're gonna let him go and see what happens.
Speaker 1: He's got to be on his own. Some you can't
Speaker 1: every time. I'm not saying no, no, he's not saying
Speaker 1: every time. I know what you got to say. In
Speaker 1: the majority of them. Yeah, yeah, So like from like
Speaker 1: the third snap, if they're gonna throw the ball, put
Speaker 1: Mickey's tied in in a wing position over there and
Speaker 1: try and kind of set a little tone, or put
Speaker 1: the running back over there and send him out into
Speaker 1: the formation to the left side. But you're saying see
Speaker 1: how he does on the I think I think that
Speaker 1: they're gonna I like what you guys are saying, but
Speaker 1: I also have a feeling they're gonna just let him
Speaker 1: go and see how it goes. Well, God bless him.
Speaker 1: You have more confidence than I. Yeah, you'll be sitting
Speaker 1: the press box losing your mind on that one. You're ready,
Speaker 1: I'll text shift, Yeah, thanks, I'll watch the game. Start
Speaker 1: a chart, Yeah, exactly. Okay, how do we think kill them?
Speaker 1: Moore is going to travel this week by ground or
Speaker 1: through the air. M I hope to God by the ground.
Speaker 1: Why is that Philadelphia one hundred and seventy six yards rushing,
Speaker 1: Den one hundred and forty nine yards rushing, Minnesota one
Speaker 1: hundred and ninety eight yard hope. But we said the
Speaker 1: Saints couldn't stop the run, right, Well, all I know,
Speaker 1: there's three in a row. They they they averaged one
Speaker 1: hundred Those three teams average one hundred and seventy four
Speaker 1: yards a game, one hundred and seventy four five touchdowns.
Speaker 1: I'm actually with Mick because when that way, he'll get
Speaker 1: to see camp file unlock the right. Yeah. I like
Speaker 1: I like that because Zeke hasn't had many of those
Speaker 1: games he does, they try to get him involved early
Speaker 1: and get set that tone, get it reset, right. I
Speaker 1: think that's gonna happen. But I also think there's merit
Speaker 1: to especially with gallop back. You can spread these guys
Speaker 1: out and try to attack them that way if King
Speaker 1: doesn't play, and maybe the opportunities potentially Yeah, well if
Speaker 1: they play their defense the way they played against Philadelphia
Speaker 1: with those wide gaps. Yeah, and and everybody real why
Speaker 1: all you gotta do is block one guy and he's
Speaker 1: through the whole Because it's wrong about that. Back is
Speaker 1: not wrong about that. That's all they're talking about right
Speaker 1: now too, about how they've got to tighten up on
Speaker 1: their assignments defensively, that they left too many big gaps.
Speaker 1: I mean Delvin Cook had a seventy five yard running Yeah,
Speaker 1: sure it did. I mean questions you got left for us?
Speaker 1: Go ahead, and and I'll you have a call you
Speaker 1: want to get. Yeah, let's let's get to NEBBI before
Speaker 1: we take break, and we'll get you. We got questions
Speaker 1: on the other We got a questions all right, nab
Speaker 1: what's up man? Uh? Hi guys, uh listen, uh, what's
Speaker 1: the status of time? Around Crawford for this game. And
Speaker 1: before I go, I also want to say that we
Speaker 1: have to keep uh, we have to keep Aaron Rodgers
Speaker 1: in the in the in the podcat. We have to
Speaker 1: tip passes, we have to beat balls. Uh, we have
Speaker 1: to run the football, and we have to score touchdowns.
Speaker 1: Take care, Thanks for being patient with me, and have
Speaker 1: a great week, by all right, Nobby that Bob covers it.
Speaker 1: It's kind of talking about Brian's vision there. Get some
Speaker 1: hands in the face and try to affect him that
Speaker 1: way in the middle of the pocket. Absolutely, yeah, and
Speaker 1: I think that Crawford's not going to play. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: we've kind of talked about that a little bit, so
Speaker 1: you know, maybe next week we'll see how it goes.
Speaker 1: He was out working on the field yesterday, so it
Speaker 1: sound encouraging from Jason Garret yesterday the least. Maybe he's
Speaker 1: making progress making But it's it's that Rasidas. It's what
Speaker 1: It's just it and it's in the other hip. It's
Speaker 1: not the one that's been repaired. So yeah, it's something
Speaker 1: he's going to have to deal with. You know, here
Speaker 1: we are, We're gonna be in week five and you know,
Speaker 1: maybe in week six, or seven. We're gonna see him
Speaker 1: out on the field, and then you're gonna have a
Speaker 1: buy and probably figure out what you need to do
Speaker 1: from there. All right, let's take our final break and
Speaker 1: we come back. Brian's got that's a full note. I got,
Speaker 1: I got some question. All right, let's get to more
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Speaker 1: what you got? Need one Cowboy defender to step up?
Speaker 1: Who do you got more so than so far? Yeah?
Speaker 1: You need one for this game? You need one Cowboy
Speaker 1: defender to step up? Who you got, boy? I've seen
Speaker 1: signs of it, and now if I can get it
Speaker 1: more on a consistent basis, If I can get MALIEK.
Speaker 1: Collins to play a couple plays at this last game
Speaker 1: and make Aaron Rodgers comfortable coming up the middle, yeah, boy,
Speaker 1: I think that would be huge for what they have
Speaker 1: going on the outside. With the two as rushers. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's still my answer. My answer because that middle rush
Speaker 1: is really more problematic for quarterbacks than even the outside absolutely, yeah,
Speaker 1: because they can survive the outside rush. It's that stuff
Speaker 1: up in their face that it gives them problems, right,
Speaker 1: and then you're you're falling right into the trap of
Speaker 1: Robert Quinnon to Marcus Lawrence coming off the edges. So
Speaker 1: I'll say I'll say Christian Covington at nose tackle providing
Speaker 1: a pass rush as well, assuming well, maybe Antoine gets back,
Speaker 1: but it looks like it will probably be Covington at
Speaker 1: least for some snaps. I know they might be down
Speaker 1: receivers or receiver, but man, I just don't need a
Speaker 1: Woozier to get the ball over the top of him,
Speaker 1: you know when they go up and you know, Byron
Speaker 1: Jones I think has that ability to play the ball
Speaker 1: above him better with a Woozier. He's close, We've seen
Speaker 1: him finish a couple of times. But it kind of
Speaker 1: these tall receivers. I've started thinking about that Dolphins game,
Speaker 1: you know, with that guy with Parker reaching up and
Speaker 1: him struggling with that, and the pass interferences and all
Speaker 1: that so I would say, I would say that a
Speaker 1: Woozier would be my guy. Did I need to? I
Speaker 1: need him to play well in this game, especially with
Speaker 1: these two tall, rangy receivers that they have on their team. Okay,
Speaker 1: other than the turnovers? What stat are you keeping your
Speaker 1: eye on in this game for key to victory other
Speaker 1: than the turnover? Other than the turnovers? What stats are
Speaker 1: you keeping an eye on during this game? I'll go
Speaker 1: with the one I had yesterday. Can Green Bay be
Speaker 1: productive in the red zone because Rogers is going to
Speaker 1: move the ball and get them in position? But how
Speaker 1: does their running game fair against the Dallas defense or
Speaker 1: can they make them one dimensional particularly in the red zone.
Speaker 1: I think the stat I had was they had twenty
Speaker 1: two red zone plays against the Eagles and through at
Speaker 1: nineteen times. That's not exactly balanced. Can they get them
Speaker 1: out of that as well? The Dallas defense in this
Speaker 1: game sacks ah. I was gonna say pressures, But pressures
Speaker 1: mean that Aaron Rodgers gets off as Mark uh Andy
Speaker 1: skill can throw the ball, he needs to be on
Speaker 1: the ground. Harriet. Does time of possession do anything for
Speaker 1: anybody being you're playing Rodgers? Or does that matter to
Speaker 1: try to keep him off the field. That is that
Speaker 1: is that something? And that was a question I had.
Speaker 1: That was another question of are we what are we
Speaker 1: overthinking in this one game? Well, I don't am I
Speaker 1: overthinking keeping him off the field a little bit because
Speaker 1: in my opinion, because I don't look at this offense
Speaker 1: like the Bridgewater Saints offense where we've got to play
Speaker 1: keep away and we've got to just this. This can
Speaker 1: be an explosive offense. Score with thirty seconds, whether you
Speaker 1: keep the ball nine minutes or not, just get points
Speaker 1: however you can. Now I realized the last two times
Speaker 1: they've lost to him, they left basically too much time
Speaker 1: on the clock. So I get you there, but you know,
Speaker 1: give me, give me a lead in the second half
Speaker 1: and then start pounding away at Zeke. That's that's like
Speaker 1: old school Cowboys, old school Cowboy, old school Super Bowl
Speaker 1: Mickey Spagnola Cowboys, Right yeah. But and it's a different team, right, Sure,
Speaker 1: But the Saints had the ball for thirty six minutes.
Speaker 1: They scored twelve points, right So again, but they were
Speaker 1: they were, they had long possessions. Yeah, and that's on you, right,
Speaker 1: um so, but just because you get them out of
Speaker 1: there doesn't mean the offense is going to hold on
Speaker 1: to the ball. It doesn't even it out unless you
Speaker 1: drive the ball yourself. So I'll take thirty sixty minutes
Speaker 1: of possession and only twelve points and take my chance
Speaker 1: that I can win. Yeah. Yeah, that's the day of
Speaker 1: the week. So are you are you playing keep away
Speaker 1: in this game? Are you just trying to score? No? Well,
Speaker 1: I want points, but he wants points. But he's gonna
Speaker 1: run the ball, yeah, which it's just hard to do.
Speaker 1: But I like what he's saying about. I'm I'm a
Speaker 1: guy that likes to be the physical aspect of the game.
Speaker 1: I believe in that. I think the Cowboys will do
Speaker 1: a better job of blocking this front too. But but
Speaker 1: I also understand though then when they throw the ball,
Speaker 1: they have good success doing that. They have the ability to.
Speaker 1: Now now you're compromised at left tackle. You know, we're
Speaker 1: compromised the left tackle there, So yeah, I'm kind of
Speaker 1: That's why I was asking you about the Kellen Moore
Speaker 1: Does he traveled by land or by air? Well? Do
Speaker 1: you think? And Travis Frederick was asked about this yesterday,
Speaker 1: do you expect copycat from defenses and he said absolutely.
Speaker 1: Do you think other teams are going to try this
Speaker 1: clog and cover thing and try to get away too? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, but you got to have they But you
Speaker 1: gotta be able to have the front too, that's what
Speaker 1: at the front. Yeah, you have to have the front
Speaker 1: to do it. And you know, like you say, the
Speaker 1: Saints play a four man line, so you know, and
Speaker 1: they they'd had some problems, they'd had some problems against
Speaker 1: the run. Now let's see if the Packers have the same. Now,
Speaker 1: I remember when the Packers are coming in there, mickey
Speaker 1: every time. Yesterday, the Packers are coming here with the
Speaker 1: number one ranked run defense in the in the league
Speaker 1: one time and got slaughtered on it. So here there
Speaker 1: are you know, on the other end of that, I'll
Speaker 1: see you if they if they stopped the Cowboys running
Speaker 1: the ball, then we need to do a deep dive
Speaker 1: in on what's going on with the Cowboys running game. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I think we're banking on better success from this
Speaker 1: group to Pollard too, by the way, two offensive snaps
Speaker 1: last week. Yeah, I think more Tony Pollard would be good.
Speaker 1: I'm with you. You don't want too much Aaron Rodgers
Speaker 1: right now. They need to get They need to get
Speaker 1: some juice going back in their passing game, and I
Speaker 1: realized a lot of it was part of the Saints
Speaker 1: game plan to try to keep everything in front of them.
Speaker 1: They were just missing those chunk plays though in that game.
Speaker 1: I mean I looked it up. Sixteen chunk plays in
Speaker 1: the first three games and they all resulted on scoring
Speaker 1: drives except for one. They've they've been feasting off those.
Speaker 1: They need to get back to them. Yeah, Packers are
Speaker 1: twenty six against the run. Yeah. So I asked the
Speaker 1: question about this wide gap front. Yeah, I said, does
Speaker 1: that what they do all the time or was that
Speaker 1: just against Philly? Do you think that's going to happen
Speaker 1: to you? And the answer was, there's no way they're
Speaker 1: gonna They're gonna squeeze it down to have to there
Speaker 1: not going to leave those gaps between the three defensive
Speaker 1: linemen up front, and there was a term for it,
Speaker 1: but squeezing it down and clogging it a little bit
Speaker 1: more inside. So maybe you get an opportunity to get
Speaker 1: the ball on the edge, Yeah, I hope. So I
Speaker 1: was hoping that last week with Pollard and Zeke both
Speaker 1: last question today, boys, where we continue to see Jason
Speaker 1: Garrett gamble on fourth down. Well, it's not a gamble,
Speaker 1: it's it's Yeah, I think when you see how the
Speaker 1: game was going, Yeah, I think it's a calculator risk
Speaker 1: when you go for it on your own forty three. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but you got Ezekiel Elliott, you got this offensive line,
Speaker 1: you needed one yard, you got, you got it, you
Speaker 1: got it right, and you had to look at how
Speaker 1: the game was going. Sure, you needed to keep possessions
Speaker 1: because you needed somehow some way to score a point. Right,
Speaker 1: So to me, you gotta look at you know. And
Speaker 1: I'd listened to how Bill Belichick answered the question the
Speaker 1: other day when everybody jumped on him about analytics, and
Speaker 1: he basically said, I watched the game and I have
Speaker 1: to have a feel for how it's going, how my
Speaker 1: team is performing, what the other team is, what's the
Speaker 1: situation in the game. I just can't have a number.
Speaker 1: Tell me, Okay, on fourth down, you'll make it sixty
Speaker 1: percent of the time if it's two yards or less. Right. Also,
Speaker 1: your team you got and you got to know the
Speaker 1: situation of the game. And if you need a possession
Speaker 1: to continue and you think it's worth it, then go
Speaker 1: for it, especially if you're you know, somewhere on the
Speaker 1: other side of your own forty yard line. Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't think he's lost any faith in Zeke and
Speaker 1: the old so I don't think so. Yeah, I hope
Speaker 1: he does. I like to, you know, I like when
Speaker 1: he does that. I you know what, And I've been
Speaker 1: critical of him in the past, but I mean I'm
Speaker 1: okay with him knowing his team and if he needs
Speaker 1: to go and get an extra keep a drive, going
Speaker 1: to maybe get points. Yeah. Absolutely. Now if it's fourth
Speaker 1: and one at your own twenty, it's a different story.
Speaker 1: Belichick's done that before. Yeah, and he has. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: you gotta know your team, got on your team, because
Speaker 1: otherwise you're saying, Okay, I'm willing to give up three points. Yeah. Absolutely.
Speaker 1: How we're doing, guys, Well, we're almost done, coach. We've
Speaker 1: got two minutes left. Good stuff, Brian, thank you, good answer.
Speaker 1: With two minutes left. Rob in Vegas, you got the
Speaker 1: final word quickly on talking Cowboys today. You know you
Speaker 1: guys we're talking about should we run a pass? I
Speaker 1: think we should run, but not with Zeke. I think
Speaker 1: Dak is the one that needs to run off. Okay,
Speaker 1: when he when he runs for over twenty five yards,
Speaker 1: they're twelve and four. And when he and when he
Speaker 1: goes for over forty, he's undefeated. I mean, and you're
Speaker 1: telling me these guys are gonna play why they're going
Speaker 1: to crash down? To me, he gets run option all
Speaker 1: over it. They should have did it on those third
Speaker 1: and two plays in New Orleans. I think he's made
Speaker 1: for that. You never see him lose yardage when he
Speaker 1: runs that play. He may not run for ten, but
Speaker 1: he's such a big body guy. And to me, that's
Speaker 1: what gets this offense really going and makes it dangerous.
Speaker 1: It gets him fired up, the offense fired up, and
Speaker 1: it demoralizes the defense. And I just think that's what
Speaker 1: this team needs to do, is it true? Okay, much
Speaker 1: throwing a boat down the field. Yeah, but he can't.
Speaker 1: Can't forget about using and delay all fair, Rob appreciate.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna send that message down the hallway. Yes, Mickey
Speaker 1: and Mickey will he needs he needs twenty five yards
Speaker 1: and they win. I was thinking forty. There's the magic
Speaker 1: number right there. Yeah, twenty five yards there, twelve and four?
Speaker 1: Is that is that what you think? That's what he said.
Speaker 1: So you know what good stuff. I thinks that Rob
Speaker 1: maybe three or four in that first possession. Just let
Speaker 1: him run and get in twenty five and then call
Speaker 1: to win. It's a win. Okay. Well that's we'll talk
Speaker 1: to Mickey and that's our magic number for the day,
Speaker 1: and that's talking Cowboys for today. We'll catch you guys
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