WEBVTT - Case #26: Nika

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<v Speaker 1>Ruby.

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<v Speaker 2>I was driving on the New Jersey Turnpike and everything

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<v Speaker 2>sort of went blurry. It was like somebody's stabbing on

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<v Speaker 2>the side of the head with an ice pick.

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<v Speaker 3>She literally lost the ability to see doing sixty five

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<v Speaker 3>miles an hour. It's God holding the wheel at that point.

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<v Speaker 4>The disease is like a crow flying through the dark night.

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<v Speaker 4>Patients go months or years incurring damage. In all of these.

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<v Speaker 2>Organs, I can't see, and I'm in terrible pain. I

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<v Speaker 2>gotta get some more safe, so I just gotta keep going.

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<v Speaker 5>How terrifying would it be to fight an unknown enemy,

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<v Speaker 5>one you didn't recognize and didn't see coming. What if

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<v Speaker 5>that enemy was coming from within a disease that even

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<v Speaker 5>doctors couldn't identify. Nearly half of Americans from some chronic illness,

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<v Speaker 5>and many struggle for an accurate diagnosis. These are their stories.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm Lauren brad Pacheco, and this is symptomatic. Nika Beeman

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<v Speaker 5>van Shehek is a force to be reckoned with. In

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<v Speaker 5>all areas of her life, she has pushed herself to achieve.

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<v Speaker 5>She's an Emmy winning TV writer, author of four books,

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<v Speaker 5>and garnered a Peabody Award in her twenties for her

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<v Speaker 5>coverage of nine to eleven. Even as a young person,

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<v Speaker 5>Nika was tenacious and full of personality.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm the oldest. I have two brothers.

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<v Speaker 2>I have one that's exactly four years apart, and then

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<v Speaker 2>we have what we call the oops baby, who was fifteen.

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<v Speaker 1>Years younger than me.

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<v Speaker 2>So I was picking colleges and he was carrying around

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<v Speaker 2>stuffed animals.

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<v Speaker 5>It's funny because I was going to ask if they

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<v Speaker 5>influenced your love of sports, But I bet you influenced

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<v Speaker 5>their love of sports.

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<v Speaker 2>They have no love of sports. I'm the only one.

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<v Speaker 2>I always say that my father had me. I was

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<v Speaker 2>supposed to be his son. I was the one who

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<v Speaker 2>learned to fix things with him. I was the one

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<v Speaker 2>who was more adventurous and who left home and was

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<v Speaker 2>willing to go by themselves.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm more of his temper.

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<v Speaker 2>Unfortunately, so I was more of my father's son than

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<v Speaker 2>his own son's.

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<v Speaker 5>And not just any organized sports. You choose ice hockey

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<v Speaker 5>and baseball once you get to boarding school.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I said to my father, there's really nothing to play.

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<v Speaker 2>And my father said, you played Little League when you

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<v Speaker 2>were a kid. I said, yeah, but they don't have

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<v Speaker 2>a female team. They don't have female softball. And he said,

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<v Speaker 2>you know what Title nine says, if they don't have

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<v Speaker 2>an equal or greater sport, then they have to let

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<v Speaker 2>you try out. So you go down there and you

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<v Speaker 2>tell that coach that he has to let you try out.

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<v Speaker 2>And so I went down there and said, my father says,

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<v Speaker 2>I have to at least be given a shot, and

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<v Speaker 2>they said, all right, then we'll give you a shot.

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<v Speaker 1>And I made the team. And then by the next

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<v Speaker 1>year we had another girl.

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<v Speaker 2>So you know, I kind of ruined the whole team,

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<v Speaker 2>or maybe improved it that much more.

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<v Speaker 5>I know that, having read your book, you were very

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<v Speaker 5>close to both of your parents, who have both unfortunately passed,

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<v Speaker 5>but you and your father seemed to have a particular bond.

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<v Speaker 5>How did his raising you impact your personality?

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<v Speaker 2>The greatest thing I think I got from him was

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<v Speaker 2>that I understood that no matter what your circumstances are,

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<v Speaker 2>and for him it was growing up poor and a

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<v Speaker 2>segregated South with one parent, that you can find a way.

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<v Speaker 2>He knew he wanted to do other things, so he

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<v Speaker 2>got on a bus and came to New York. So

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<v Speaker 2>at some point was homeless on the subway. He ended

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<v Speaker 2>up joining the police Academy, then going to the Air Force.

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<v Speaker 2>Then he got sick in the Air Force and ended

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<v Speaker 2>up having to come out.

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<v Speaker 1>But he had done so many things. Then he decided

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<v Speaker 1>he was going to go to college.

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<v Speaker 2>He was going to get a degree, and so he

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<v Speaker 2>got a job at NYU. He actually, when he was

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<v Speaker 2>at NYU, participated in the Freedom Writers to register people

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<v Speaker 2>to vote during the segregated South, and they made a magazine,

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<v Speaker 2>and the magazine ultimately got inducted into the Library of Congress.

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<v Speaker 2>And so I grew always seeing people writing and doing

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<v Speaker 2>those kind of things.

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<v Speaker 5>At a young age, Nica was praised for her abilities

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<v Speaker 5>in writing. Her curiosity and investigative nature led her to

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<v Speaker 5>join the school paper and go on to study journalism

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<v Speaker 5>at Boston College. There, Nica was a standout student and

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<v Speaker 5>an active member of club sports teams. She was headed

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<v Speaker 5>towards the future at full speed, seemingly unstoppable. Around this time,

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<v Speaker 5>as you're getting ready to graduate from college, you start

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<v Speaker 5>noticing that something is a miss in terms of your health.

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<v Speaker 2>In nineteen ninety three, I started having all kinds of

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<v Speaker 2>what I consider unusual symptoms. By the time I got

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<v Speaker 2>to senior year. I was like, I'm just always tired.

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<v Speaker 2>There's joint pains that I didn't expect to have. I

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<v Speaker 2>had dry mouth and dry eyes. My eyes would burn

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<v Speaker 2>to a part where my vision would actually get blurry,

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<v Speaker 2>which was strange because I had twenty twenty vision. And

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<v Speaker 2>then I started having these debilitating headaches that I thought

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<v Speaker 2>were migraines, and I'm like, what in the world is

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<v Speaker 2>happening to me?

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<v Speaker 5>So You're frequently visiting the infirmary and getting no answers.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I'm getting a lot of tests for a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of things, but all of them are coming out negative.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't have mono, I didn't have meningitis, I don't

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<v Speaker 2>have hepatitis.

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<v Speaker 1>So I started to collect things I.

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<v Speaker 2>Knew I didn't have, but that wasn't getting me any

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<v Speaker 2>closer to what I did have.

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<v Speaker 5>This was just the tip of the iceberg, as varying

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<v Speaker 5>symptoms began to disrupt her life, seemingly disconnected ailments that

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<v Speaker 5>would place her on the long, frustrating, twisting path of misdiagnosis.

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<v Speaker 2>It wasn't until like a couple of years after them,

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<v Speaker 2>when I kept getting sick, that at some point other

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<v Speaker 2>people started to notice like this is happening too frequently.

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<v Speaker 2>As the years drag on, you realize that this is

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<v Speaker 2>not going away, like this keeps coming every time somebody

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<v Speaker 2>gets sick, I'm getting sick. And as you start to

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<v Speaker 2>really see the pattern.

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<v Speaker 5>So at this point a few years in to this,

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<v Speaker 5>not feeling well is becoming a new normal for you.

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<v Speaker 5>But you move to New York City and are living

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<v Speaker 5>your life when out of nowhere, you end up in

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<v Speaker 5>the emergency room because of a massive bleed. What happened.

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<v Speaker 2>I was very sick and I was having a hemorrhage

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<v Speaker 2>and they said to me, we think you have PCOS.

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<v Speaker 2>You might have ruptured assist and that's what the problem is.

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<v Speaker 2>And I said, oh, okay, so I have PCOS.

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<v Speaker 1>I just need some medications. So they give me medication for.

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<v Speaker 2>That, and I go, great, then I should be good,

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<v Speaker 2>except for our wasn't because what I learned at some

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<v Speaker 2>point was that we were treating a set of symptoms,

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<v Speaker 2>but not all the symptoms. So I'm going to a

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<v Speaker 2>doctor for headaches that he goes, oh, no problem, we

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<v Speaker 2>can just make your brain not know that it has pained,

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<v Speaker 2>so we'll give you this drug.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm like, Okay, no problem.

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<v Speaker 2>That's great, And I go I'm tired, and somebody goes,

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<v Speaker 2>you know what's great for a fatigue? You can just

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<v Speaker 2>take some riddlin. You'll feel much better. You'll have the

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<v Speaker 2>energy you need. I'm just going to each individual doctor

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<v Speaker 2>and getting them to treat whatever symptom they treat.

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<v Speaker 5>While Nika battles a mounting deluge of symptoms in New York,

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<v Speaker 5>there is a doctor back in Boston whose work will

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<v Speaker 5>lead to actually naming the unknown condition she's fighting in

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<v Speaker 5>the dark.

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<v Speaker 4>I am John H. Stone. I am a professor of

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<v Speaker 4>medicine at Harvard Medical School and a rheumatologist at the

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<v Speaker 4>Massachusetts General Hospital.

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<v Speaker 5>A quick aside for those not familiar. Rheumatology is the

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<v Speaker 5>medical specialty that focuses on the diagnosis and treatment of

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<v Speaker 5>rheumatic diseases, which are inflammatory and autoimmune conditions affecting the joints, muscles, bones,

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<v Speaker 5>and connective tissues.

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<v Speaker 4>What your you to of rheumatology the multiorgan nature of diseases.

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<v Speaker 4>Have always aspired to be a good internist who takes

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<v Speaker 4>care of the entire body, including the mind, and the

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<v Speaker 4>challenges of treating the rheumatic diseases really drew me to

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<v Speaker 4>the field.

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<v Speaker 5>Meanwhile, in New York, Nika is unwilling to let sickness

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<v Speaker 5>dictate her life. This fighting spirit fortuitously guides her to

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<v Speaker 5>meet her husband Mark in one of the busiest and

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<v Speaker 5>most demanding journalistic hubs in the city, the newsroom of WABC.

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<v Speaker 5>For someone who hasn't had the pleasure of meeting your

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<v Speaker 5>lovely wife, how would you describe Nika?

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<v Speaker 3>Tough, soft, kind, caring, She's fun she's funny. She a

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<v Speaker 3>really good comedian when she doesn't try and be I

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<v Speaker 3>think those are the ass I would use.

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<v Speaker 6>What do you love most about her personality? She doesn't

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<v Speaker 6>give a flying How do I say that? She generally

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<v Speaker 6>doesn't care what people think about the decision she's made.

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<v Speaker 6>If it is what is right or what is in

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<v Speaker 6>her heart, She's going to hop over every obstacle and

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<v Speaker 6>head in the direction where she needs to go.

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<v Speaker 5>Did you have any idea when you first met that

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<v Speaker 5>she was navigating all these health issues?

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<v Speaker 3>No, I just thought she's a pan of the ass

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<v Speaker 3>sometimes on a hard heartagg to crack. But no, I

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<v Speaker 3>knew that there was one time in the infancy of

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<v Speaker 3>our getting to know each other. I saw her taking

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<v Speaker 3>pills at work and I was like, that's different.

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<v Speaker 5>What's going on. Why do you need to take pills?

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<v Speaker 3>And she was explaining that she was having some liver

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<v Speaker 3>issues at the time. But then I had finished the

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<v Speaker 3>conversation with I'm keeping all my organs, which made her laugh.

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<v Speaker 5>When things started to get a little more serious and

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<v Speaker 5>you realized that you had deeper feelings forming for Nika.

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<v Speaker 5>What was it like for you to see her feeling

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<v Speaker 5>so sick.

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<v Speaker 3>I remember some of the earlier times when she was

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<v Speaker 3>not well. That's where my frustration or the pain watching

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<v Speaker 3>another human being you care about go through it brings

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<v Speaker 3>you some pain. And she was basically like, you have

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<v Speaker 3>to knock that off. I just need you to be strong.

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<v Speaker 5>With Mark's unwavering support, Nika continues to fight this unidentified enemy,

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<v Speaker 5>but the unrelenting struggle manifests in more than just physical consequences.

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<v Speaker 5>The financial burden of dealing with her chronic illness is crushing.

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<v Speaker 1>It is devastating.

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<v Speaker 2>They tell you they don't discuss religion, don't discuss politics,

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<v Speaker 2>and don't discuss money. Even when you're struggling, you don't

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<v Speaker 2>even tell the people who are supposed to be closest

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<v Speaker 2>to you, including my parents.

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<v Speaker 1>How much it's costing me to be me?

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<v Speaker 2>I know that I've spent over a quarter of a

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<v Speaker 2>million dollars out of pocket of my own money to

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<v Speaker 2>keep myself alive and to keep myself releiantly functioning.

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<v Speaker 5>Did you ever get gas lit that it's in your

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<v Speaker 5>head that maybe you didn't have all the symptoms you

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<v Speaker 5>thought you had.

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<v Speaker 1>No, I did not.

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<v Speaker 2>They may have not thought it was as severe as possible.

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<v Speaker 2>So I remember going to one doctor and saying, this

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<v Speaker 2>is what's happening. He goes, but you're going to work

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<v Speaker 2>every day. Yeah, and you're still having a relationship. Yes, Oh,

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<v Speaker 2>then it's not that bad. Then come back when it

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<v Speaker 2>gets worse.

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<v Speaker 5>Over ten years into her struggle, Nika is still fighting

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<v Speaker 5>through intense fatigue, headaches, joint pains, dry mouth and eyes,

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<v Speaker 5>hormonal imbalances, treating each symptom in isolation, a decade of

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<v Speaker 5>confusion and pain without a clear picture in sight. This

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<v Speaker 5>arduous trek is one that doctor Stone unfortunately knows all

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<v Speaker 5>too well.

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<v Speaker 4>There are many diseases in which there is not a

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<v Speaker 4>single diagnostic test, but it does require the clinician being

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<v Speaker 4>familiar with the underlying condition and having access to the

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<v Speaker 4>workup that's been done already.

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<v Speaker 5>How as a physician do you help patients navigate the unknown?

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<v Speaker 5>In terms of the psychological component, you.

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<v Speaker 4>Can only imagine the psychological trauma that patients endure when

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<v Speaker 4>they go for years and go from doctor to doctor

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<v Speaker 4>and test to test and biopsy to biopsy and are

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<v Speaker 4>not given the correct diagnosis. And it's critical to remember

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<v Speaker 4>that patients are very fragile emotionally. The clinician really has

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<v Speaker 4>to keep that in mind moving forward. It takes a

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<v Speaker 4>long time to restore faith and confidence in the medical profession.

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<v Speaker 4>If it's taken years of misdiagnosis to get to the

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<v Speaker 4>right place.

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<v Speaker 5>You're vast approaching fifteen years at this point without a diagnosis,

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<v Speaker 5>and you've been so sick and in terrible pain for

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<v Speaker 5>a lot of that time. You keep pushing in your

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<v Speaker 5>career in life. Did you ever feel like giving up?

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<v Speaker 2>It was just one of those things where you just

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<v Speaker 2>learned to keep it moving. I wasn't raised by complainers.

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<v Speaker 2>No matter how sick anybody was or what was going on.

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<v Speaker 2>There was no excuses, you know, there's no excuse to

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<v Speaker 2>not excel even if I didn't feel well, if I

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<v Speaker 2>had to write it from my bed, that I was

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<v Speaker 2>going to finish what I started. And so it's very

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<v Speaker 2>difficult to be that and be a good patient. And

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<v Speaker 2>the fundamental of how to be a good patient is

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<v Speaker 2>not something that's taught to us, and it's something we're

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<v Speaker 2>all going to need. Nobody ever told me that it

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<v Speaker 2>was okay to say, you know what, this is not right,

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<v Speaker 2>and so you endure far more than you need to endure.

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<v Speaker 3>She is driving down road it has hazards, but she

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<v Speaker 3>doesn't know the name of the road, and as medical

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<v Speaker 3>issues start piling on to each other, she is determined

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<v Speaker 3>to know what are these obstacles, what road I am on?

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<v Speaker 3>To make sure you make the right term. When the

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<v Speaker 3>turn is there.

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<v Speaker 5>That road is about to become even more hazardous for Nika,

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<v Speaker 5>with a new deadly obstacle materializing out of nowhere.

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<v Speaker 1>I was coming back from Baltimore.

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<v Speaker 2>I was driving on the New Jersey Turnpike and I

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't feeling well again.

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<v Speaker 1>I was having a terrible headache.

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<v Speaker 2>It was like somebody stabbing in the side of the

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<v Speaker 2>head with an ice pick, but on panic, and I

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<v Speaker 2>closed my eyes for a split second, I was in

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<v Speaker 2>the second lane, opened my eyes again and everything was blurry.

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<v Speaker 1>I couldn't see.

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<v Speaker 5>We'll be right back with Symptomatic, a medical mystery podcast.

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<v Speaker 5>Now back to Symptomatic, a medical mystery podcast. Over fifteen

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<v Speaker 5>years out from the starter for Symptoms, Nika has been

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<v Speaker 5>living with a mysterious illness now for over a third

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<v Speaker 5>of her life. She's been taking medication for insulin resistance,

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<v Speaker 5>excess stomach acid, anti nausea pills, anti inflammatories, and a

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<v Speaker 5>slew of painkillers. She's had biopsies, blood tests, MRIs, ultrasounds,

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<v Speaker 5>transophageal echocardiograms, spinal taps, and more, with no clear answer

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<v Speaker 5>as to the root cause of her sickness. It's now

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<v Speaker 5>two thousand and nine and Nica's driving home to New

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<v Speaker 5>York from a book tour in Baltimore when all of

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<v Speaker 5>the sudden, she is hit with unthinkable pain.

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<v Speaker 2>I was driving on the New Jersey Turnpike. It was

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<v Speaker 2>like somebody's stabbing in the side of the head with

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<v Speaker 2>an ice pick, and everything sort of went blurry. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>only like an exit or two away from home, but

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<v Speaker 2>i can't see and I'm in terrible pain.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god.

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<v Speaker 2>I know that I'm in trouble here, and I'm starting

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<v Speaker 2>to sort of, you know, have those internal conversations with yourself.

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<v Speaker 1>And I panic.

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<v Speaker 5>Were you terrified?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, except for I also thought I gotta get somewhere safe,

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<v Speaker 2>so I just gotta keep going. And I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>how to explain it, but somehow I saw the guy's

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<v Speaker 2>break lights in front of me, and something in my

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<v Speaker 2>head said, follow those red lights, and so I followed

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<v Speaker 2>him off of the exit, and it happened to be

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<v Speaker 2>the exit that I needed to Newark. But as soon

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<v Speaker 2>as I got to the ramp, I was like, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>now I'm on the shoulder and I'm just gonna stop here.

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<v Speaker 2>I stopped, and thankfully my phone was in the cup holder,

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<v Speaker 2>and I called my then boyfriend and said, something is wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>You've got to come get amy.

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<v Speaker 5>What was going through your head? And then minute between

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<v Speaker 5>making that call and having your then boyfriend actually show

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<v Speaker 5>up at the car.

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<v Speaker 2>That's sort of when the panic sets in because you're

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<v Speaker 2>not sure what's happening.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, am I going blind? There? Like some

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<v Speaker 1>kind of tumor?

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<v Speaker 5>So then I'm sure you go right to the emergency room.

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<v Speaker 4>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>We go to the emergency room. They're like, your blood

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<v Speaker 2>pressure is elevated. So they do the spinal TEP. They

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<v Speaker 2>really don't see anything. We go to my primary care physician,

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<v Speaker 2>he has been with me many years, and he says,

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<v Speaker 2>I think you're having a stroke. I was like, what

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<v Speaker 2>the hell is he talking about a stroke? So I

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<v Speaker 2>do the tests, I do the stress tests and all

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<v Speaker 2>that stuff, and he says, I mean, your blood pressure

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<v Speaker 2>is relatively normal. You probably just need to work out

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<v Speaker 2>more and take this water pill and you'll be good.

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<v Speaker 5>Even after what felt like a near death experience, Nika

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<v Speaker 5>is no closer to understanding the true cause. Doctors have

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<v Speaker 5>now added blood pressure medication, baby aspirin, and a diuretic

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<v Speaker 5>to address what could have been a series of strokes,

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<v Speaker 5>another inconclusive set of symptoms, another handful of pills.

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<v Speaker 4>The biggest challenge, though, I think is underscored by Nika's case,

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<v Speaker 4>and that is getting to the right diagnosis in the

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<v Speaker 4>first place. The disease is like a crow flying through

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<v Speaker 4>the dark night. Patients go months or years. Patients can

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<v Speaker 4>be incurring damage in all of these organs at the

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<v Speaker 4>same time. The issue is not so much difficulty treating

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<v Speaker 4>the disease now as difficulty getting to the right diagnosis.

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<v Speaker 5>As things get worse, symptoms compound, and Nika's ever growing

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<v Speaker 5>list of medication confuses medical professionals who are unaware of

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<v Speaker 5>her history. Mark tries his best to advocate for her

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<v Speaker 5>in situations that require background knowledge of her ongoing health issues.

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<v Speaker 3>Getting her to want to go to the er is

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<v Speaker 3>not an easy task. She's not feeling well, she's in pain.

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<v Speaker 3>So we take her to the hospital that's nearby. We

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<v Speaker 3>get admitted right away and we're going over her medications.

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<v Speaker 3>Almost every medication she takes a for an AWFU label use.

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<v Speaker 3>So we're trying to explain to this nurse that she

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<v Speaker 3>is not a diabetic.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't treat her like a diabetic.

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<v Speaker 5>But no, she's on met formant.

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<v Speaker 3>She has to be a diabetic, and I'm like, she's not.

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<v Speaker 3>All these drugs are taken for all label use, and

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<v Speaker 3>you start running down all her meds and they keep

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<v Speaker 3>thinking it's for what it's normally prescribed for, and we're

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<v Speaker 3>like no, And she gets taken away for testing and

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<v Speaker 3>the police officer assigned to the er comes over and says,

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<v Speaker 3>you have to leave. Leave pardon why do I have

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<v Speaker 3>to leave. My wife is in the back. I'm her

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<v Speaker 3>medical proxy. If any decisions made off any blood's drawn,

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<v Speaker 3>if a band AI's put on her and I haven't

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<v Speaker 3>signed off on it, this is going to be an issue.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know if he believes me at this point,

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<v Speaker 3>but we go into the waiting room. Ten minutes later,

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<v Speaker 3>Nikka comes out of the er door with her pants on,

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<v Speaker 3>with her gown on but falling off, and the offers like,

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<v Speaker 3>where are you going? You can't leave? She's like, oh, yes,

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<v Speaker 3>I can. I'm allowed to sign myself out at anytime.

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<v Speaker 3>Why is he sitting here? Why is he not in

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<v Speaker 3>the er? And I look and I go told you.

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<v Speaker 3>The officer's like, uh oh, I messed up. Now that's

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<v Speaker 3>an extreme example of advocating, but sometimes that's what you

0:20:22.560 --> 0:20:25.199
<v Speaker 3>have to do. If I'm not there and she can't talk,

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<v Speaker 3>they're going to treat her like she's a diabetic, or

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<v Speaker 3>she's going to treat her like this or that, and

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<v Speaker 3>they're not going to treat it properly.

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<v Speaker 5>Nika is determined to just keep moving, though she's no

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<v Speaker 5>closer to answers. She doesn't want to be held back.

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<v Speaker 5>But this thing continues to rip through her gaining momentum

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<v Speaker 5>and showing up in new and terrifying form.

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<v Speaker 2>Twenty fourteen, everything changes. I wake up one day and

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<v Speaker 2>I have people say, like a goiter looking neck, it's

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<v Speaker 2>like swollen.

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<v Speaker 1>It looks like a bullfrog. And I don't know why.

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<v Speaker 2>And so I go to the doctor and she says,

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<v Speaker 2>you have swollen lyft notes you have ad anopathy, and she.

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<v Speaker 1>Goes, ah, it's not a big deal. You must have some.

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<v Speaker 2>Sort of infection. It'll clear up. And I don't think

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<v Speaker 2>anything of it. And it goes on three months. It

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<v Speaker 2>just stays like that, and then it starts to hurt physically.

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<v Speaker 2>To touch my own face, to wash it in the morning,

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<v Speaker 2>it physically hurt.

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<v Speaker 5>This is the first time that you have something that

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<v Speaker 5>is a physical manifestation of what you're fighting.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, something that's really impeding me in a way that

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<v Speaker 2>I realize that I have to do something.

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<v Speaker 1>And I go and I go to a different doctor.

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<v Speaker 2>My doctor is not there that day, and I find

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<v Speaker 2>the person who is on call that day and she

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<v Speaker 2>looks at it and she goes, that's not good. Can

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<v Speaker 2>you go see a friend of mine? And I said, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>he'll see you right now, and I go to his

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<v Speaker 2>office and he says, so, when would you like to

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<v Speaker 2>have surgery? And I was like, I'm a little confused.

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<v Speaker 2>Did she not tell you why you were here? She

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<v Speaker 2>didn't tell you she suspected lymphomo and that was what

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<v Speaker 2>I realized. I was like, whatever this is, it's killing

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<v Speaker 2>me and I need to know what it is. I

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't ready to die.

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<v Speaker 5>How did they explain what was happening to your lymph notes?

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<v Speaker 2>We don't know what they're reacting to, but they're reacting.

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<v Speaker 2>So I have surgery. They take them out, and I

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<v Speaker 2>think I'm all clear, And a year later he goes,

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<v Speaker 2>I need to do this again.

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<v Speaker 1>Because now there are more of them.

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<v Speaker 2>He did three surgeries for that, and then one corrective

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<v Speaker 2>surgery to fix the scar. Now I can go see

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<v Speaker 2>an oncologist or somebody who could tell me what to.

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<v Speaker 1>Do with this.

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<v Speaker 2>And I said, there's really nothing to do. He removed

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<v Speaker 2>the whole thing. You're good, and I was like, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not good. I need to find an answer then, because

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<v Speaker 2>nobody can still tell me why I had add anopathy

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<v Speaker 2>in the first place. Why am I constantly in a

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<v Speaker 2>state of fighting an infection? Except for I feel the

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<v Speaker 2>same way I always do. I did not want to

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<v Speaker 2>die and I didn't want to be cut up into

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<v Speaker 2>little pieces for the rest of my life. And everybody

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<v Speaker 2>just throw up their hands and go, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>That was no longer an acceptable answer to me.

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<v Speaker 5>When Nika activates her dogged search mode, what happens. Does

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<v Speaker 5>she always get an answer to her question? No, is

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<v Speaker 5>that an answer. I'm just going to move around you.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm going to go over you, I'm going to go

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<v Speaker 3>past you. I'm going to get my answer. She will

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<v Speaker 3>hurtle over that obstacle, she will go around that obstacle,

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<v Speaker 3>she will blow up that damn obstacle. She's going to

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<v Speaker 3>find an answer.

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<v Speaker 5>Nica recognizes that the key to finding the root cause

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<v Speaker 5>of her sickness is to gather up the puzzle pieces

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<v Speaker 5>into one box. She contacts every hospital, every doctor, every

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<v Speaker 5>medical testing lab she has ever visited, and organizes all

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<v Speaker 5>for medical records.

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<v Speaker 1>I first started with like our TV doctor.

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<v Speaker 2>So I asked you, so, what kind of doctor would

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<v Speaker 2>deal with like a constant infection?

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<v Speaker 1>Because that's what I was told.

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<v Speaker 2>The ad anopathy came from, Oh, you need an immunologist

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<v Speaker 2>or a rheumatologist. I didn't know those ologists, and so

0:24:16.760 --> 0:24:19.200
<v Speaker 2>I found the Castleton Guide and it said ranks all

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<v Speaker 2>the doctors in hospital the best of the best every

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<v Speaker 2>year because they might be able to know the answers.

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<v Speaker 2>And so I wrote that down, and then I set

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<v Speaker 2>about making an appointment with every single one of them.

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<v Speaker 5>You did something else, which was daunting, given the time

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<v Speaker 5>period you accumulated all of your medical records.

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<v Speaker 2>At that time, they were just starting to do those things.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, now I can connect all different hospitals together.

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<v Speaker 2>We couldn't do that. So, like you said, I had

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<v Speaker 2>a spinal tap at Saint Luke Roosevelt, so I got

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<v Speaker 2>to go there. And I had this done at Saint Mary's.

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<v Speaker 2>So now I got to go there or call there.

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<v Speaker 2>I got to fill out the form. I gotta fax

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<v Speaker 2>it back. I got to wait for them to mail

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<v Speaker 2>me the slides and the CD disc with all your

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<v Speaker 2>images on. People don't realize like back then they used

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<v Speaker 2>to actually give you the actual X rays. It was

0:25:02.640 --> 0:25:04.879
<v Speaker 2>an actual sheet of an X ray with my brain

0:25:04.960 --> 0:25:06.480
<v Speaker 2>on it to show them when I had the tia.

0:25:06.560 --> 0:25:08.760
<v Speaker 2>And this is actually the disc when they did the

0:25:08.800 --> 0:25:11.520
<v Speaker 2>sky out of my belly. So I collected this whole thing,

0:25:11.560 --> 0:25:14.720
<v Speaker 2>and I ended up with this ginormous folder. For the

0:25:14.720 --> 0:25:16.520
<v Speaker 2>first time, it occurred to me, maybe this is all

0:25:16.800 --> 0:25:17.520
<v Speaker 2>sort of one thing.

0:25:19.760 --> 0:25:22.760
<v Speaker 4>Armed with only two or three pieces of that information,

0:25:23.400 --> 0:25:26.320
<v Speaker 4>if it was felt to be reliable, could have made

0:25:26.359 --> 0:25:29.880
<v Speaker 4>all the difference in the world. So it's a terrible

0:25:29.960 --> 0:25:35.800
<v Speaker 4>irony in this world where information flows so freely, in

0:25:35.840 --> 0:25:39.960
<v Speaker 4>many cases, we still have a terrible time getting patients

0:25:40.040 --> 0:25:45.800
<v Speaker 4>medical records across town from one hospital to another, and

0:25:46.119 --> 0:25:50.320
<v Speaker 4>this leads to a real bottleneck, a real roadblock in

0:25:50.720 --> 0:25:52.840
<v Speaker 4>helping patients get to the right diagnosis.

0:25:54.440 --> 0:25:57.399
<v Speaker 5>Nika's research brings her back to the list of the

0:25:57.520 --> 0:26:01.480
<v Speaker 5>ten best roomatologists in New York. The first three don't

0:26:01.520 --> 0:26:04.600
<v Speaker 5>work out, but Nika keeps at it, and she schedules

0:26:04.640 --> 0:26:06.960
<v Speaker 5>in to see doctor number four.

0:26:08.119 --> 0:26:10.520
<v Speaker 2>She had looked at my file beforehand, and some of

0:26:10.560 --> 0:26:13.640
<v Speaker 2>the blood tests and the images that were done, and

0:26:13.720 --> 0:26:15.919
<v Speaker 2>so by the time I had an appointment there, she

0:26:15.920 --> 0:26:18.320
<v Speaker 2>had already had a good idea as to what she

0:26:18.440 --> 0:26:21.680
<v Speaker 2>thought was wrong with me, which was an earth shattering moment.

0:26:23.080 --> 0:26:28.600
<v Speaker 5>Take me to that exact moment, because I cannot imagine

0:26:29.359 --> 0:26:33.959
<v Speaker 5>what that must have been like for you. Seventeen years.

0:26:34.240 --> 0:26:34.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:26:34.480 --> 0:26:37.880
<v Speaker 2>It was odd because before she even examined me, she said, well,

0:26:38.119 --> 0:26:39.800
<v Speaker 2>I looked at your file, and I looked at it.

0:26:40.040 --> 0:26:41.440
<v Speaker 1>I think I know what's going on.

0:26:41.520 --> 0:26:44.640
<v Speaker 2>And I thought, hold on every place I've ever been,

0:26:45.359 --> 0:26:47.800
<v Speaker 2>I've given more blood than I probably have in my body. Now,

0:26:48.560 --> 0:26:50.600
<v Speaker 2>all of the tests and all of the doctors, and

0:26:50.640 --> 0:26:54.479
<v Speaker 2>not one person thought to run this one test. And

0:26:54.520 --> 0:26:56.520
<v Speaker 2>she took out a piece of paper, her little pad

0:26:56.520 --> 0:27:00.000
<v Speaker 2>with her name on the top, and she scrolled some weird,

0:27:00.160 --> 0:27:02.399
<v Speaker 2>random collection of letters, and I was like, what is that?

0:27:03.280 --> 0:27:05.000
<v Speaker 2>As she said, it's a rare condition, but I think

0:27:05.000 --> 0:27:07.960
<v Speaker 2>you have that. She wrote down that I have something

0:27:08.000 --> 0:27:09.600
<v Speaker 2>called IgG four rd.

0:27:14.240 --> 0:27:17.120
<v Speaker 5>Do you remember that phone call when she told you

0:27:17.200 --> 0:27:18.960
<v Speaker 5>I have a name for it. I think I know

0:27:19.040 --> 0:27:19.480
<v Speaker 5>what I have.

0:27:20.920 --> 0:27:22.920
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I would equate it with me being a kid

0:27:22.920 --> 0:27:26.680
<v Speaker 3>at waiting for Christmas gifts. She was as joyous as

0:27:26.680 --> 0:27:29.560
<v Speaker 3>you can be knowing you have a medical condition. But

0:27:30.040 --> 0:27:34.919
<v Speaker 3>not knowing is oh man, not knowing is pain. To

0:27:35.040 --> 0:27:39.160
<v Speaker 3>not know, it's almost a crime against her, it's unfair.

0:27:39.760 --> 0:27:42.560
<v Speaker 3>But to know, to have beaten that, it's almost like

0:27:42.600 --> 0:27:45.840
<v Speaker 3>a victory. I know what this road is called. I

0:27:45.880 --> 0:27:48.359
<v Speaker 3>know what this journey is I know what is wrong

0:27:48.400 --> 0:27:51.560
<v Speaker 3>with me. It's like the mystery of a lifetime.

0:27:52.040 --> 0:27:54.120
<v Speaker 2>It's joy to find out that you know a name,

0:27:54.600 --> 0:27:57.439
<v Speaker 2>but also sadness knowing that nobody else knows what the

0:27:57.480 --> 0:27:58.120
<v Speaker 2>heck this is.

0:27:58.280 --> 0:27:59.119
<v Speaker 1>So now what do we do?

0:28:00.960 --> 0:28:03.240
<v Speaker 2>Nobody else has heard of it, Nobody else knows what

0:28:03.240 --> 0:28:06.080
<v Speaker 2>that means for your life, for your expectancy, your quality

0:28:06.119 --> 0:28:07.679
<v Speaker 2>of life, any of those things.

0:28:07.840 --> 0:28:10.360
<v Speaker 5>Now armed with a name for the condition she's been

0:28:10.359 --> 0:28:14.520
<v Speaker 5>fighting for almost two decades, Nika applies her journalistic skills

0:28:14.520 --> 0:28:18.040
<v Speaker 5>to track its foremost expert, a leader in the field

0:28:18.400 --> 0:28:21.879
<v Speaker 5>who was one of the first doctors to identify IgG

0:28:22.000 --> 0:28:26.280
<v Speaker 5>four related disease in the United States, Doctor John H. Stone.

0:28:27.000 --> 0:28:30.720
<v Speaker 4>I should first say that IgG four is an antibody

0:28:31.080 --> 0:28:36.359
<v Speaker 4>that we all have. In IgG four related disease, levels

0:28:36.400 --> 0:28:40.680
<v Speaker 4>of this antibody often become very, very high. It is

0:28:40.760 --> 0:28:47.160
<v Speaker 4>a multi organ inflammatory disease. It's mediated by the immune system,

0:28:47.840 --> 0:28:51.200
<v Speaker 4>but we don't really know what kicks off the process

0:28:51.360 --> 0:28:56.200
<v Speaker 4>to begin with. It can involve any organ system in

0:28:56.240 --> 0:28:59.960
<v Speaker 4>the body. So, for example, if the pancreas is targeted

0:29:00.160 --> 0:29:03.960
<v Speaker 4>and the pancreas is a major organ then patients can

0:29:04.040 --> 0:29:08.840
<v Speaker 4>become diabetic. If the kidneys are involved, the kidneys can fail.

0:29:09.840 --> 0:29:14.120
<v Speaker 4>If the sinuses are involved, then sinus involvement can lead

0:29:14.680 --> 0:29:20.480
<v Speaker 4>to a great risk of infections, which ultimately can be lethal.

0:29:22.080 --> 0:29:24.280
<v Speaker 4>The word that comes to mind that we use in

0:29:24.400 --> 0:29:28.520
<v Speaker 4>medicine a lot to describe a disease that has many

0:29:28.520 --> 0:29:33.240
<v Speaker 4>faces is protean. It's one of the most protean diseases

0:29:33.640 --> 0:29:34.400
<v Speaker 4>that I know of.

0:29:35.720 --> 0:29:40.800
<v Speaker 5>I imagine it is extremely difficult for pathologists and physicians to

0:29:40.880 --> 0:29:43.959
<v Speaker 5>distinguish it from similar manifesting diseases.

0:29:44.160 --> 0:29:48.200
<v Speaker 4>That's right. IgG four related disease mimics many diseases and

0:29:48.320 --> 0:29:52.560
<v Speaker 4>is mimicked by many diseases. It is remarkable when one

0:29:52.600 --> 0:29:56.640
<v Speaker 4>talks to patients how commonly it comes up that they

0:29:56.720 --> 0:30:00.600
<v Speaker 4>were misdiagnosed as having cancer. They were told they had

0:30:01.080 --> 0:30:08.720
<v Speaker 4>metastatic or inoperable cancer of the pancreas, the lungs, the kidneys,

0:30:08.800 --> 0:30:11.520
<v Speaker 4>or that they had lymphoma, which is a cancer of

0:30:11.640 --> 0:30:13.719
<v Speaker 4>the lymph system.

0:30:13.960 --> 0:30:17.680
<v Speaker 5>What is your role as a leader on the forefront

0:30:17.840 --> 0:30:21.240
<v Speaker 5>of IgG four RG medical treatment.

0:30:21.960 --> 0:30:25.440
<v Speaker 4>Well, I have a history with this disease going back

0:30:25.480 --> 0:30:29.520
<v Speaker 4>eighteen years now, and it wasn't even called IgG four

0:30:29.560 --> 0:30:34.240
<v Speaker 4>related disease. Then it was a couple of years later

0:30:34.480 --> 0:30:37.920
<v Speaker 4>that the world decided IgG four related disease was the

0:30:37.920 --> 0:30:43.240
<v Speaker 4>most appropriate name. With colleagues at Mastheusetsal Hospital, I organized

0:30:43.240 --> 0:30:47.280
<v Speaker 4>the world's first symposium on the disease, held in Boston

0:30:47.480 --> 0:30:53.240
<v Speaker 4>in October of twenty eleven. My group observed very early

0:30:53.320 --> 0:30:58.880
<v Speaker 4>on that B cell depletion was a very effective therapy

0:30:58.960 --> 0:31:02.560
<v Speaker 4>for IgG four related disease. It took a long time

0:31:03.000 --> 0:31:07.200
<v Speaker 4>to convince pharmaceutical industry that we ought to be studying

0:31:07.400 --> 0:31:10.880
<v Speaker 4>B cell depletion in a formal way in a randomized,

0:31:10.920 --> 0:31:14.160
<v Speaker 4>double blind, placebo control trial, and the results of that

0:31:14.280 --> 0:31:20.320
<v Speaker 4>trial proved that B cell depletion was far superior to

0:31:20.600 --> 0:31:24.880
<v Speaker 4>conventional treatment with steroids for the management of patients with

0:31:24.880 --> 0:31:26.760
<v Speaker 4>with IgG four related disease.

0:31:28.560 --> 0:31:32.240
<v Speaker 5>Did it surprise you that it took her seventeen years

0:31:32.280 --> 0:31:35.280
<v Speaker 5>to get a proper diagnosis and why or why not

0:31:36.160 --> 0:31:36.760
<v Speaker 5>it did?

0:31:37.240 --> 0:31:41.280
<v Speaker 4>But I do think given that IgG four related disease

0:31:41.440 --> 0:31:45.120
<v Speaker 4>wasn't even recognized to be a unique diagnosis until two

0:31:45.200 --> 0:31:48.560
<v Speaker 4>thousand and three, and then it was really another four

0:31:48.640 --> 0:31:52.160
<v Speaker 4>or five years before people in the United States began

0:31:52.240 --> 0:31:55.640
<v Speaker 4>to become aware of the condition. I think that goes

0:31:55.680 --> 0:31:58.440
<v Speaker 4>a long way toward explaining why it took such a

0:31:58.480 --> 0:32:01.160
<v Speaker 4>long time, though I think they're probably other reasons too.

0:32:01.960 --> 0:32:05.160
<v Speaker 5>Nika had been battling symptoms for six years before the

0:32:05.200 --> 0:32:09.440
<v Speaker 5>disease was even named, in almost a decade before it

0:32:09.520 --> 0:32:10.800
<v Speaker 5>was known in the US.

0:32:11.520 --> 0:32:16.360
<v Speaker 4>It is an unconscionably long time to wait to come

0:32:16.400 --> 0:32:19.880
<v Speaker 4>to a diagnosis for a disease that is so treatable,

0:32:20.040 --> 0:32:21.440
<v Speaker 4>So it's very unfortunate.

0:32:21.840 --> 0:32:25.360
<v Speaker 5>The diagnosis, to me, is also incredible because from what

0:32:25.520 --> 0:32:30.080
<v Speaker 5>they did know, you didn't exactly fit the stereotype of

0:32:30.320 --> 0:32:34.800
<v Speaker 5>who was being diagnosed with this and at that age, No.

0:32:35.040 --> 0:32:37.400
<v Speaker 2>I was too young, I was too black, I was

0:32:37.440 --> 0:32:40.200
<v Speaker 2>a woman. At that time, they thought it was men

0:32:40.360 --> 0:32:44.160
<v Speaker 2>over white men over fifty Asian men, not certainly not

0:32:44.320 --> 0:32:46.959
<v Speaker 2>black women in their twenties. That was not something that

0:32:47.000 --> 0:32:49.520
<v Speaker 2>most people thought about at all, or women at all.

0:32:49.800 --> 0:32:51.560
<v Speaker 2>And to me, it was even more interesting that it

0:32:51.600 --> 0:32:53.520
<v Speaker 2>was discovered by guy in Boston when I was in

0:32:53.560 --> 0:32:54.600
<v Speaker 2>bosson the whole time.

0:32:56.240 --> 0:33:00.800
<v Speaker 5>Because IgG four rd is still being understood, Nica's treatment

0:33:00.840 --> 0:33:04.920
<v Speaker 5>is constantly evolving, the treatment itself, fairies, depending upon her

0:33:04.960 --> 0:33:09.280
<v Speaker 5>given symptoms at the moment corticosteroid helps during flare ups,

0:33:09.560 --> 0:33:12.200
<v Speaker 5>and an anti rheumatic works to keep them at bay.

0:33:12.640 --> 0:33:16.560
<v Speaker 5>A proton pump inhibitor deals with her gastrointestinal issues, and

0:33:16.640 --> 0:33:20.040
<v Speaker 5>she takes medication to keep her blood pressure and cholesterol low.

0:33:20.560 --> 0:33:23.440
<v Speaker 5>Although Nika is now able to treat her symptoms with

0:33:23.520 --> 0:33:27.160
<v Speaker 5>accuracy and an understanding of the root cause, she still

0:33:27.160 --> 0:33:30.920
<v Speaker 5>has good days and bad days. Mark is there with

0:33:31.040 --> 0:33:34.920
<v Speaker 5>Nica through all of them. Their lasting partnership is a

0:33:34.960 --> 0:33:38.400
<v Speaker 5>walking example of in sickness and in health.

0:33:39.360 --> 0:33:41.360
<v Speaker 2>I said to him that I just wanted to make

0:33:41.400 --> 0:33:43.640
<v Speaker 2>sure that he understood what he was signing up for.

0:33:44.000 --> 0:33:47.440
<v Speaker 2>I don't want to strap somebody with a burden that

0:33:47.600 --> 0:33:50.480
<v Speaker 2>they may not be consciously thinking about. I also wanted

0:33:50.520 --> 0:33:51.840
<v Speaker 2>him to stop and think about it because he had

0:33:51.840 --> 0:33:53.480
<v Speaker 2>a child, And I said, in what you choose for

0:33:53.520 --> 0:33:56.600
<v Speaker 2>yourself is one thing, but now this profoundly changes the

0:33:56.640 --> 0:34:00.000
<v Speaker 2>life of your child to be with somebody who's chronically you,

0:34:00.640 --> 0:34:03.000
<v Speaker 2>because now they have to deal with sometimes Nica can't

0:34:03.040 --> 0:34:04.880
<v Speaker 2>do this, and she can't do that. She's having a

0:34:04.920 --> 0:34:07.600
<v Speaker 2>bad day today. What I learned is the children are

0:34:07.680 --> 0:34:10.160
<v Speaker 2>highly adaptable. His son just got used to it. You

0:34:10.200 --> 0:34:12.279
<v Speaker 2>go get the pills. We made up games to play

0:34:12.320 --> 0:34:13.880
<v Speaker 2>in the bed when I had days when I couldn't

0:34:13.880 --> 0:34:14.439
<v Speaker 2>get out of the bed.

0:34:15.640 --> 0:34:16.440
<v Speaker 5>It's an obstacle.

0:34:17.000 --> 0:34:17.760
<v Speaker 1>It's gonna suck.

0:34:18.360 --> 0:34:22.240
<v Speaker 3>We're gonna get through this, but we're gonna have laughs

0:34:22.280 --> 0:34:25.319
<v Speaker 3>about it. We're gonna joke about it. Occasionally, we're gonna

0:34:25.360 --> 0:34:30.040
<v Speaker 3>cry about it. I have to hide my tears. She's

0:34:30.080 --> 0:34:32.400
<v Speaker 3>got a great smile, especially when you get it out

0:34:32.440 --> 0:34:34.799
<v Speaker 3>of her, especially when she's in pain. I almost made

0:34:34.800 --> 0:34:38.520
<v Speaker 3>it a mission to get her to laugh, to get

0:34:38.560 --> 0:34:40.880
<v Speaker 3>a smile out of her, to dance a little in

0:34:40.920 --> 0:34:41.279
<v Speaker 3>the rain.

0:34:42.200 --> 0:34:45.320
<v Speaker 1>Rain has been in her forecast a little too much,

0:34:46.080 --> 0:34:47.399
<v Speaker 1>so to be ordered to.

0:34:47.440 --> 0:34:50.080
<v Speaker 3>Dance in the rain with her is one of my

0:34:51.000 --> 0:34:52.799
<v Speaker 3>It's one of my guilty pleasures, just to get her

0:34:52.920 --> 0:34:55.360
<v Speaker 3>to laugh when she's down, get it to have some

0:34:55.440 --> 0:34:59.400
<v Speaker 3>fun and circumstance where most people are.

0:34:59.239 --> 0:35:00.440
<v Speaker 1>Like, how could you even matters?

0:35:00.440 --> 0:35:01.000
<v Speaker 4>To have fun.

0:35:02.440 --> 0:35:03.520
<v Speaker 5>It's one of the reasons.

0:35:03.280 --> 0:35:04.600
<v Speaker 4>Why I love her.

0:35:05.080 --> 0:35:07.560
<v Speaker 2>When we finally got married, they wrote about our wedding

0:35:07.640 --> 0:35:09.560
<v Speaker 2>and the wedding section of the New York Times, and

0:35:09.600 --> 0:35:11.440
<v Speaker 2>it said in sickness and health and then a wedding.

0:35:11.760 --> 0:35:13.480
<v Speaker 2>And I always thought of him that way that he

0:35:13.560 --> 0:35:17.319
<v Speaker 2>always understood what those valves were long before we took them,

0:35:17.360 --> 0:35:19.879
<v Speaker 2>because he never flinched about the in sickness part.

0:35:20.920 --> 0:35:23.480
<v Speaker 5>Oh boy, yeah, the sickness part.

0:35:24.040 --> 0:35:25.720
<v Speaker 1>I think a lot of people take that for granted.

0:35:26.080 --> 0:35:26.920
<v Speaker 1>It's a reality.

0:35:27.480 --> 0:35:30.759
<v Speaker 3>You can't make it to the altar and not mean that,

0:35:30.840 --> 0:35:33.240
<v Speaker 3>because you know that's part of the roads you're.

0:35:33.120 --> 0:35:42.680
<v Speaker 5>On, Doctor Stone, What most inspires you or what can

0:35:42.719 --> 0:35:46.120
<v Speaker 5>you leave us with about working with IgG four related

0:35:46.160 --> 0:35:48.040
<v Speaker 5>disease patients?

0:35:49.080 --> 0:35:53.520
<v Speaker 4>I couldn't be more optimistic about the future for people

0:35:53.560 --> 0:35:57.560
<v Speaker 4>living with IgG four related disease now. I think there's

0:35:57.600 --> 0:36:01.200
<v Speaker 4>every reason to believe medical brisk breakthroughs in IgG four

0:36:01.239 --> 0:36:04.680
<v Speaker 4>or late disease are going to continue at a growing

0:36:04.800 --> 0:36:08.840
<v Speaker 4>pace in the very near future. We can understand the

0:36:08.840 --> 0:36:12.040
<v Speaker 4>path of physiology, we can do clinical trials, we can

0:36:12.120 --> 0:36:16.960
<v Speaker 4>get medications approved, but none of that is more important

0:36:17.000 --> 0:36:21.160
<v Speaker 4>than educating people about the condition that they have, helping

0:36:21.160 --> 0:36:24.759
<v Speaker 4>them understand it, and helping them learn to live with it.

0:36:24.960 --> 0:36:32.400
<v Speaker 5>Well, you are so resilient and you have just very quiet,

0:36:32.440 --> 0:36:38.719
<v Speaker 5>strong confidence about the way in which you have navigated

0:36:38.760 --> 0:36:43.239
<v Speaker 5>your health challenges. Nico, what do you want people to

0:36:43.280 --> 0:36:44.560
<v Speaker 5>take away from your story.

0:36:45.920 --> 0:36:48.719
<v Speaker 2>I think what I did learn was from my mother.

0:36:49.640 --> 0:36:51.960
<v Speaker 2>I remember once being like, I'm really sad that this

0:36:52.000 --> 0:36:55.000
<v Speaker 2>is happening, and she said, because you're looking at the

0:36:55.000 --> 0:36:57.360
<v Speaker 2>big picture, why don't you look at the small picture?

0:36:57.760 --> 0:36:59.120
<v Speaker 2>And I said, what's the small picture?

0:37:00.080 --> 0:37:01.240
<v Speaker 1>It's live long enough.

0:37:01.920 --> 0:37:03.880
<v Speaker 2>Just live long enough for today, Live long enough to

0:37:03.880 --> 0:37:05.839
<v Speaker 2>feel better to get up in the morning, Live long

0:37:05.920 --> 0:37:07.520
<v Speaker 2>enough for them to come up with a new medication.

0:37:07.960 --> 0:37:10.600
<v Speaker 2>Live long enough to finish that task that you have,

0:37:10.719 --> 0:37:13.719
<v Speaker 2>maybe not today, but possibly tomorrow. You just have to

0:37:13.760 --> 0:37:15.640
<v Speaker 2>live long enough to get over the next hurdle.

0:37:16.560 --> 0:37:17.400
<v Speaker 1>That's all you have to do.

0:37:18.239 --> 0:37:20.319
<v Speaker 2>And when you take it and bite size morsels, it's

0:37:20.360 --> 0:37:23.880
<v Speaker 2>really possible to see that you can get it all done.

0:37:25.040 --> 0:37:28.319
<v Speaker 2>I can't walk fifteen miles every day, but when we

0:37:28.360 --> 0:37:30.200
<v Speaker 2>went to Lake George, I was able to walk as

0:37:30.200 --> 0:37:32.640
<v Speaker 2>many steps as I needed to have a good day

0:37:32.640 --> 0:37:35.640
<v Speaker 2>with my husband. So I live long enough to just

0:37:35.760 --> 0:37:39.440
<v Speaker 2>enjoy today. I'll worry about tomorrow or tomorrow.

0:37:43.560 --> 0:37:47.359
<v Speaker 5>For more on IgG four related diseases, visit IgG four

0:37:47.840 --> 0:37:53.680
<v Speaker 5>word dot org. That's IgG number four word dot org.

0:37:54.080 --> 0:37:56.480
<v Speaker 5>You can read more about Nika's story in her book

0:37:56.600 --> 0:38:00.880
<v Speaker 5>misdiagnosed the search for doctor house and follow along on

0:38:00.960 --> 0:38:03.400
<v Speaker 5>her website Nicabeeman dot com.

0:38:03.880 --> 0:38:07.560
<v Speaker 2>I'm Nica Beeman van Scheck and I was diagnosed with

0:38:07.600 --> 0:38:11.359
<v Speaker 2>IgG four RD after seventeen year search.

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<v Speaker 5>On next week's episode of Symptomatic. From the moment Halee

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<v Speaker 5>Sanchez started her period, she could tell that something was

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<v Speaker 5>very different. Suffering debilitating minstrel cramps and intense bleeding, Haley

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<v Speaker 5>spent half of every month fighting just to stand up.

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<v Speaker 5>When she joined the Air Force as a medic, Haley

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<v Speaker 5>did not predict how agonizing her symptoms would become.

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<v Speaker 1>I wasn't willing to risk being held back in boot camp,

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<v Speaker 1>so I just kept pushing through. The pain got so

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<v Speaker 1>bad within an instant, it just kind of went black.

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<v Speaker 5>Consistently dismissed by military doctors, Haley suffered in silence for

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<v Speaker 5>years before finally getting the test that would reveal a

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<v Speaker 5>condition so rare that they had never seen it before.

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<v Speaker 5>As always, we would love to hear from you. Send

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<v Speaker 5>us your thoughts on this episode or share a medical

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<v Speaker 5>mystery of your own at Symptomatic at iHeartMedia dot com,

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<v Speaker 5>and please rate and review Symptomatic wherever you get your podcasts.

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<v Speaker 5>We'll see you next time. Until then, be Well. Symptomatic,

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<v Speaker 5>a medical mystery podcast, is a production of iHeartMedia's Ruby Studio.

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<v Speaker 5>Our show is hosted by me Lauren Brightbacheco. Our executive

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<v Speaker 5>producers are James Foster, Matt Ramano, and myself. Our supervising

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<v Speaker 5>producers are Ryan Ovadia, Haley Aliah Ericson, and Daniel Ainsworth.

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<v Speaker 5>This episode was written by Haley Aliah Ericson and edited

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<v Speaker 5>by Daniel Ainsworth.