WEBVTT - Deadpool Comics (ft. Cody Ziglar) 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:01.280 Warning warning. 0:00:01.880 --> 0:00:06.160 Today's episode contains spoilers for the current Marvel Deadpool series, 0:00:06.320 --> 0:00:08.480 as well as some of the Mark with the Mouth's 0:00:08.520 --> 0:00:12.200 previous appearances. 0:00:25.840 --> 0:00:28.680 Hello, I am not Jason Concepcion. 0:00:28.880 --> 0:00:32.800 I am Rosie Knight and welcome back to x ray Vision. 0:00:33.080 --> 0:00:36.480 This week is Deadpool Kills the X ray Universe, where 0:00:36.560 --> 0:00:39.040 luckily he doesn't kill us. But we are going to 0:00:39.080 --> 0:00:41.920 have one new episode every single day of the week, 0:00:41.960 --> 0:00:45.360 adding up to five episodes this week, all about Deadpool 0:00:45.400 --> 0:00:49.360 versus Wolverine. Today, it's just me and I'm talking to 0:00:49.479 --> 0:00:55.720 Cody Ziggler, the current Deadpool head writer and previous co 0:00:55.800 --> 0:00:58.680 founder of x ray Vision, one of the original hosts, 0:00:58.680 --> 0:01:00.760 and it's going to be a delightful chat about Depol's 0:01:00.760 --> 0:01:04.160 comic book history and about making comics with Cody Ziggler. 0:01:04.720 --> 0:01:05.520 Let's get into it. 0:01:06.880 --> 0:01:09.199 Cody Ziggler is one of the original hosts of Extra 0:01:09.280 --> 0:01:13.160 Vision and a superstar TV writer on shows like Futurama, 0:01:13.240 --> 0:01:14.400 Rick and Morty, and She Hulk. 0:01:14.640 --> 0:01:15.399 But that's not all. 0:01:15.600 --> 0:01:18.120 He's also a fantastic comic book writer behind the Smash 0:01:18.120 --> 0:01:20.600 It Spider Punk mini series and its sequel, which we 0:01:20.680 --> 0:01:23.600 love deeply. Here and he's the current, as we say 0:01:23.640 --> 0:01:25.560 in comics headwriter on Deadpool. 0:01:27.800 --> 0:01:28.800 How are you doing, zig? 0:01:29.200 --> 0:01:31.160 I am good. It's always a pleasure coming back in, 0:01:31.280 --> 0:01:34.160 Like just honestly talking about nerd stuff for an hour? 0:01:34.319 --> 0:01:35.959 Is that the best way to spend a Friday. 0:01:36.240 --> 0:01:39.040 Just so happy to have you back on here. So 0:01:39.840 --> 0:01:41.600 how have you been? I mean that's the first thing, Like, 0:01:41.600 --> 0:01:43.520 everyone who listens to this show knows you. So how's 0:01:43.560 --> 0:01:43.960 it going. 0:01:44.600 --> 0:01:47.000 I've been good, and as you can, as you sort 0:01:47.000 --> 0:01:50.000 of said, a little busy. The big thing that I 0:01:50.040 --> 0:01:51.920 did was like when the writer's trick was happening, I 0:01:51.960 --> 0:01:53.320 was like, I got nothing but free time. I'm going 0:01:53.360 --> 0:01:55.480 to sign up for all my favorite comic books. And 0:01:55.520 --> 0:01:58.200 then and then when the strike was settled, I was like, 0:01:58.200 --> 0:02:00.000 oh wow, I do all these and write for future. 0:02:00.400 --> 0:02:03.280 So I've been very busy for the past six months. 0:02:03.280 --> 0:02:06.640 But it's a great problem to have. And also I 0:02:06.680 --> 0:02:08.639 want to say congrats to you, like I've been loving 0:02:08.720 --> 0:02:10.760 the Godzilla stuff you've been putting out, Like it's been 0:02:10.800 --> 0:02:11.240 so fun. 0:02:11.360 --> 0:02:12.880 Thank you so much. That means a lot. 0:02:13.040 --> 0:02:15.320 Yeah, very excited I have that we've got that first 0:02:15.320 --> 0:02:18.600 Godzilla Kids graphic novel coming out soon in August, so 0:02:18.680 --> 0:02:21.680 that's going to be rad. And yeah, I'm feeling very excited. 0:02:22.000 --> 0:02:23.560 You know, we're very lucky to get to do this, 0:02:23.600 --> 0:02:25.600 to get to two stories in this space. I mean, 0:02:25.639 --> 0:02:28.040 I was stoked because I saw all those crazy the 0:02:28.160 --> 0:02:33.120 Godzilla like crossover Marvel covers. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Pilla Venom 0:02:33.120 --> 0:02:36.360 and stuff. So yeah, it's been a good time. So 0:02:36.880 --> 0:02:40.480 this is our week. We're doing a week of all 0:02:40.560 --> 0:02:43.639 Deadpool and Wolverine coverage. We're gonna have a new episode 0:02:43.680 --> 0:02:45.840 every single day, and having you here is a. 0:02:45.760 --> 0:02:46.560 Big part of that. 0:02:46.760 --> 0:02:50.800 So I would just start by asking you, like, what's 0:02:50.840 --> 0:02:52.640 your first memory of Deadpool? 0:02:52.880 --> 0:02:54.160 Like coming across Deadpool? 0:02:54.440 --> 0:02:57.400 My first memory of Deadpool was I think. I mean, 0:02:57.440 --> 0:03:00.440 I think it's like everyone's like I saw the panel 0:03:00.480 --> 0:03:05.280 where he does sure you can on some random characters 0:03:05.280 --> 0:03:06.639 like hey, you ever played street Fighter? And they're like 0:03:06.680 --> 0:03:08.880 what and then he does like a street Fighter cont. 0:03:09.000 --> 0:03:11.639 I was like, what the hell is this? And then 0:03:11.800 --> 0:03:13.640 when I was in college, I was very broke, but 0:03:13.680 --> 0:03:17.880 I found I found online through a various bay full 0:03:17.880 --> 0:03:22.440 of pirates, every every single issue that Deadpool had been 0:03:22.639 --> 0:03:25.560 up until that point. So up until like twenty I'm 0:03:25.639 --> 0:03:29.200 like I guess twenty thirteen, twenty twelve, so like his 0:03:29.280 --> 0:03:32.680 original run, like his random weird cameo when like a 0:03:32.720 --> 0:03:36.560 Batman Superman story where like we're like Slade Wilson is 0:03:36.560 --> 0:03:39.240 there and like Wade Wilson shows up like truly everything. 0:03:39.560 --> 0:03:41.119 I was like, oh, this is great, Like I've never 0:03:41.200 --> 0:03:43.160 read I didn't know combooks could be like funny, So 0:03:43.240 --> 0:03:46.000 like he was super funny. Like also like he had 0:03:46.040 --> 0:03:48.200 heart like his earlier nineties stuff when he was you know, 0:03:48.200 --> 0:03:50.400 when Rob Leifeld was doing him, it was like very 0:03:50.440 --> 0:03:52.920 like nineties, very grady pouches everywhere, a lot of like 0:03:53.160 --> 0:03:56.600 huge cool guns. So like seeing his transition from that 0:03:56.920 --> 0:03:59.720 to like, oh he can be like a comedic character. Yeah, 0:03:59.720 --> 0:04:01.760 and then seeing how he was used in other books, 0:04:01.760 --> 0:04:04.600 like I always talk about the I believe It's X Force. 0:04:05.480 --> 0:04:06.480 Can we talk about that one? 0:04:06.560 --> 0:04:11.600 Yeah? Yeah, yeah, it's so good. It's so cool, like 0:04:11.640 --> 0:04:13.880 you get to serve both worlds for like where like 0:04:13.920 --> 0:04:15.720 there's a point where they're on the moon as it 0:04:15.760 --> 0:04:19.599 happens and like Angel has been ravaged with this special 0:04:19.680 --> 0:04:22.159 mutant power that makes him like basically started death. So 0:04:22.200 --> 0:04:25.440 Deadpool is like slicing off that part of feed Them. 0:04:25.440 --> 0:04:27.240 It's so funny. And then at the end of it 0:04:27.279 --> 0:04:29.719 you realize that Deadpool hasn't really been cashing any checks 0:04:29.720 --> 0:04:32.400 because he's been doing this for like the good reason 0:04:32.400 --> 0:04:34.200 he never wanted to cook. It's like just everything I 0:04:34.200 --> 0:04:36.640 loved all that, So, like, I just love Deadpool and 0:04:36.680 --> 0:04:41.560 like Cable and Deadpool was like my absolute favorite series. Yeah, 0:04:41.600 --> 0:04:42.880 I was like I didn't know you could do. It 0:04:42.920 --> 0:04:45.240 was just everything I wanted. A character, combo character like 0:04:45.279 --> 0:04:47.760 he had. He was like Spider Man but also like 0:04:47.800 --> 0:04:50.240 he had guns and he had like really really weird 0:04:50.320 --> 0:04:52.359 fourth wall breaking jokes, which I've never seen in comics 0:04:52.400 --> 0:04:54.040 before either up until like you know, a little bit 0:04:54.040 --> 0:04:54.479 of she Hulk. 0:04:54.600 --> 0:04:57.159 Oh, that was definitely I think that was really like, yeah, 0:04:57.240 --> 0:04:59.159 she Hulk, and then Deadpool kind of took it to 0:04:59.200 --> 0:04:59.960 that next level. 0:05:00.440 --> 0:05:02.000 I mean that Uncanny Exoss book. 0:05:02.040 --> 0:05:05.200 We had pretty Chibber on your your Marvel colleague, who 0:05:05.240 --> 0:05:07.359 is also just so wonderful, and that was one that 0:05:07.480 --> 0:05:10.160 me and her and Jason all brought up, like Rickrimmender, 0:05:10.279 --> 0:05:13.400 Jerome Apena, that is just it's up there with like 0:05:13.480 --> 0:05:16.080 Grant Morrison and Frank Quietly's New Eca and like it's 0:05:16.120 --> 0:05:19.760 so weird, it's so good, and that same scene him, 0:05:19.960 --> 0:05:24.800 it's a perfect mix of like the gritty and the hilarious. 0:05:25.120 --> 0:05:26.920 Yeah you know, which is kind of what I think 0:05:26.920 --> 0:05:30.159 Deadpool does so well. I think we touched on this, 0:05:30.279 --> 0:05:32.839 but as like, now you're in this really interesting position 0:05:32.920 --> 0:05:35.839 as a creator and a fan and just like a 0:05:35.880 --> 0:05:38.120 massive nerd like me, what do you think it is 0:05:38.640 --> 0:05:43.120 that makes people like Deadpool, especially like see because that 0:05:43.480 --> 0:05:46.599 his fantom's grown so much since the movies came out? 0:05:46.680 --> 0:05:48.560 But what is it? What are those touch points that 0:05:48.600 --> 0:05:49.160 people love? 0:05:49.680 --> 0:05:52.080 I think one, they like the comedy aspect of it. 0:05:52.160 --> 0:05:56.239 But he's also such a unique character, I think at Marvel, 0:05:56.240 --> 0:05:59.120 because there's no one really else like him, Like, yeah, 0:05:59.240 --> 0:06:02.239 you have characters that you have tons of mercenary characters 0:06:02.279 --> 0:06:04.640 and tons of like you know, gun for higher characters, 0:06:04.640 --> 0:06:06.839 but like you know, there's really no one else that 0:06:06.880 --> 0:06:10.720 does what he does. And also his stories spans such 0:06:10.760 --> 0:06:13.840 a different vast type of storytelling that you have like 0:06:14.400 --> 0:06:17.960 the gritty, you know, nineties sort of like neo noir 0:06:18.040 --> 0:06:20.560 type stories, and you have like the sort of like 0:06:20.640 --> 0:06:23.880 slapsticky like oh, I love Chimmy Chong's which is like 0:06:23.920 --> 0:06:26.960 the whole thing, but he's also a good I think 0:06:27.080 --> 0:06:28.839 I was thinking about this today before starting the unitew 0:06:28.839 --> 0:06:31.320 like he's such a good utility character, like, oh yeah, 0:06:31.360 --> 0:06:33.400 he can plug so many different things that you need 0:06:33.440 --> 0:06:35.200 in a team. I think that's why he really thrives 0:06:35.200 --> 0:06:38.160 in like team books, like particularly in books that aren't Deadpool, 0:06:38.200 --> 0:06:39.960 because you can see like, yeah, he could be like 0:06:39.960 --> 0:06:41.719 the funny guy, but he can also be like the 0:06:41.760 --> 0:06:43.720 heart of the team. And like you know, Marvel has 0:06:43.760 --> 0:06:46.039 like Pillars of the Marvel, which I think is Spider Man, 0:06:46.520 --> 0:06:49.919 I think the Fantastic four X Men, X Men Captain America, 0:06:49.920 --> 0:06:51.880 and I think Deadpool sort of rides as like that 0:06:51.960 --> 0:06:54.239 four of fourth pillar for like Marvel. 0:06:54.839 --> 0:06:56.880 Yeah, I would agree, it's kind of interesting. 0:06:56.920 --> 0:06:59.320 He kind of him and Halloquin kind of fill this 0:06:59.400 --> 0:07:02.559 interesting space because that was like it used to always 0:07:02.600 --> 0:07:05.920 be that the trinity at DC was you know, Wonder Woman, Superman, 0:07:06.480 --> 0:07:10.320 and Batman. But then around like ten years ago they 0:07:10.320 --> 0:07:12.480 started saying, well, the fourth pillar is Harley Quinn because 0:07:12.520 --> 0:07:13.720 like people love her so much. 0:07:13.720 --> 0:07:16.040 She's so weird. People cause players her and in a 0:07:16.040 --> 0:07:16.520 weird way. 0:07:16.560 --> 0:07:19.840 I guess Deadpool kind of has that, yeah, that similar 0:07:19.960 --> 0:07:21.960 vibe because it's like you said, he can just be 0:07:22.000 --> 0:07:23.160 plugged in anywhere. 0:07:23.400 --> 0:07:25.800 That just reminded me that, you know, Harley's also like 0:07:25.840 --> 0:07:29.080 a newer character, like she creates to him, and like 0:07:29.400 --> 0:07:31.320 Deadpool's been around for a while, but like he wasn't 0:07:31.360 --> 0:07:34.360 really popular until, like from my perspective, until like the 0:07:34.400 --> 0:07:36.680 Deadpool movie, So like, yeah, you had a character that's 0:07:36.720 --> 0:07:38.240 been around for a while and then you're like, oh, 0:07:38.480 --> 0:07:41.040 I like this character, but like now you see people 0:07:41.080 --> 0:07:43.680 with like the Deadpool logo or like m he's in 0:07:43.720 --> 0:07:45.640 like tons of video games and like that's sort of 0:07:45.640 --> 0:07:48.240 the same energy I get from from Harley Quinn, which 0:07:48.280 --> 0:07:50.080 is like, yeah, she's like on the posters now, like 0:07:50.160 --> 0:07:52.080 she's like, if you want to sell a DC movie, 0:07:52.120 --> 0:07:53.680 like you need to have not just a joker, Like 0:07:53.720 --> 0:07:55.400 people don't really care about the joke anymore, Like you 0:07:55.440 --> 0:07:56.760 want to see Harley Quinn. 0:07:57.040 --> 0:08:00.000 Yeah, no, no, no, you're so, you're so right because 0:08:00.160 --> 0:08:03.440 New Mutant's ninety eight first appearance Fabian the Cheezer and 0:08:03.480 --> 0:08:07.239 brob Leifeld, right, and you're right like that also, people 0:08:07.240 --> 0:08:09.080 will be surprised because when you read that he's like 0:08:09.160 --> 0:08:11.800 a super villain. He's definitely in that Slade Wilson mold. 0:08:11.840 --> 0:08:15.400 He's like, he's very gritty, the artist super abstract. But 0:08:15.440 --> 0:08:17.640 the version we know is really like the Daniel Way 0:08:17.800 --> 0:08:20.880 version where like he's cracking jokes, or the Jerry Duggan version. 0:08:20.880 --> 0:08:23.920 There's so many different creators, so he definitely. 0:08:23.520 --> 0:08:27.120 Fills that slot of like a comedic new character. 0:08:27.160 --> 0:08:28.800 I mean, he was so the movie. 0:08:28.880 --> 0:08:30.720 I think they had a feeling, even though they always 0:08:30.760 --> 0:08:32.360 say they're not sure if it was gonna make money, 0:08:32.559 --> 0:08:35.040 but they reprinted New Mutant's ninety eight when I was 0:08:35.040 --> 0:08:37.040 working at the comic shop, which was in the lead 0:08:37.120 --> 0:08:40.719 up to the Deadpool movie, and I just so distinctly 0:08:40.760 --> 0:08:43.079 remember how everyone wanted that reprint. It was one of 0:08:43.120 --> 0:08:45.880 the Duller Marvel reprints, but everyone needed to have it, 0:08:46.320 --> 0:08:48.400 and ironically they were right. I mean we used to 0:08:48.520 --> 0:08:50.200 laugh because we'd be like, guys, it's not gonna be 0:08:50.200 --> 0:08:52.800 worth any money. But ironically now they actually sell those 0:08:52.840 --> 0:08:55.120 reprints as collectible, so I was wrong. 0:08:55.280 --> 0:08:56.480 Yeah, people yearned for it. 0:08:56.640 --> 0:08:59.520 Yeah, they they yearned to touch, and number one, you 0:08:59.600 --> 0:09:02.440 know I understand the people. Yeah, people love to touch 0:09:02.480 --> 0:09:05.920 a valuable comic. Also I actually didn't know this till 0:09:05.960 --> 0:09:08.520 I was prepping for this. But in the cable Depool 0:09:08.600 --> 0:09:10.880 series that you were talking about, which is I definitely 0:09:10.880 --> 0:09:16.560 think like very distinct moment for them both, he actually 0:09:16.679 --> 0:09:19.800 like refers to himself as like Ryan Reynolds crossed with 0:09:19.840 --> 0:09:20.400 a Sharpei. 0:09:20.800 --> 0:09:21.040 Yeah. 0:09:21.280 --> 0:09:22.640 So you set up. 0:09:22.559 --> 0:09:26.439 That kind of like Nick Fury esque yeah, yeah, situation 0:09:26.679 --> 0:09:29.880 there where it suddenly becomes like you're you're making. 0:09:29.720 --> 0:09:32.680 You're like manifesting, manifesting who you want to Yeah. 0:09:32.679 --> 0:09:34.400 And then I guess it was only a year later, 0:09:34.880 --> 0:09:36.800 Like we were talking about kind of the long history 0:09:36.800 --> 0:09:39.000 of Deadpool in another episode, and I think it was 0:09:39.040 --> 0:09:41.520 like a year later that Bryan Reynolds met Avi rad 0:09:41.559 --> 0:09:44.079 for the first time Deadpool. 0:09:43.720 --> 0:09:45.360 So it really did manifest it. 0:09:45.559 --> 0:09:47.520 Yeah. Even like the how that movie came about is 0:09:47.559 --> 0:09:50.080 so crazy and like it was in development hell forever. 0:09:50.160 --> 0:09:52.920 I remember reading the original script with like most of 0:09:52.920 --> 0:09:54.960 it was there, but like that third act was completely different, 0:09:54.960 --> 0:09:57.000 and then they were just like, oh no, we leaked 0:09:57.000 --> 0:09:58.240 this test footage, which is like. 0:09:58.360 --> 0:10:03.120 I know, make who could have leaked it? And now 0:10:03.160 --> 0:10:04.560 everybody loves the movie. 0:10:04.800 --> 0:10:07.440 Okay, So you are in a really interesting position because 0:10:07.480 --> 0:10:09.760 you mentioned this, Like, so in the nineties, he's kind 0:10:09.800 --> 0:10:10.720 of like a weird character. 0:10:10.720 --> 0:10:12.320 He's one of those characters where people are. 0:10:12.160 --> 0:10:14.280 Like, he has no feet, rob Ifelk, can't ri your feet, 0:10:14.320 --> 0:10:17.560 Like he's like a cult character. Then the movie happens. 0:10:18.160 --> 0:10:21.439 Before that, you've had some like distinct Deadpool runs like 0:10:21.520 --> 0:10:24.120 Daniel Way's round, different people who've given him that voice. 0:10:24.840 --> 0:10:27.840 But then you know, now the movie comes out. 0:10:28.160 --> 0:10:29.000 One movie comes. 0:10:28.880 --> 0:10:31.520 Out huge smash it, second movie comes out huge slash it, 0:10:31.640 --> 0:10:34.360 leading into this third movie, which we know everyone's very 0:10:34.400 --> 0:10:36.720 excited about because it brings back Hu Jackmin. It's, well, 0:10:37.160 --> 0:10:39.199 what does it feel like to be writing Deadpool at 0:10:39.240 --> 0:10:41.680 the time where he is one of those pillar characters. 0:10:41.720 --> 0:10:44.280 This isn't a cult character anymore, Like how did it 0:10:44.280 --> 0:10:45.319 feel approaching that? 0:10:45.760 --> 0:10:49.599 It was a little bit surreal because you know, I 0:10:49.679 --> 0:10:50.880 don't know if you feel the same way, But I 0:10:50.880 --> 0:10:53.280 don't even think about that, like you forget oh me neither. 0:10:53.400 --> 0:10:55.240 When I write Godzilla, I'm just like, this is just 0:10:55.240 --> 0:10:56.359 my little story. 0:10:57.040 --> 0:10:59.280 He's like, it's a seventieth anniversary and he's like a 0:10:59.360 --> 0:11:00.720 hugely poppy like characters. 0:11:01.040 --> 0:11:03.360 Yeah, tell me some movies come out last year like 0:11:03.400 --> 0:11:04.120 that's how big he is? 0:11:04.280 --> 0:11:05.000 Why an Oscar? 0:11:05.440 --> 0:11:07.320 Yeah, yeah, it's It's one of those things where like 0:11:07.679 --> 0:11:11.000 you forget how big it is because like I grew 0:11:11.080 --> 0:11:14.720 up again, like when when Deadpool wasn't like huge, like 0:11:14.760 --> 0:11:16.560 he was like a character that Marvel had, but like 0:11:16.559 --> 0:11:19.160 it was before like the MCU was a thing, so like, yeah, 0:11:19.320 --> 0:11:22.520 no one really was like super into comic book characters 0:11:22.520 --> 0:11:25.199 outside of like maybe spider Man and the Fantastic Four, 0:11:25.320 --> 0:11:27.320 like maybe the whole, but like no one was like 0:11:27.360 --> 0:11:31.120 Clamoran for like four or like or like Black Widow 0:11:31.280 --> 0:11:34.000 or like especially like Deadpool, so you could get away 0:11:34.000 --> 0:11:35.880 with a bunch of stuff. So like that was that 0:11:35.960 --> 0:11:38.000 was kind of like my mindset going into it. And 0:11:38.040 --> 0:11:40.560 then as I'm like writing the book, You'm like looking 0:11:40.600 --> 0:11:41.960 around my apartment and say like, oh, there's like a 0:11:41.960 --> 0:11:44.400 Deadpool game I have, or like yeah, there's like you 0:11:44.440 --> 0:11:45.120 know the Deep. 0:11:45.040 --> 0:11:47.200 Bluid talking about that suit as well, because I feel 0:11:47.200 --> 0:11:49.400 like people don't really know, they don't remember the Deadpool game, 0:11:49.440 --> 0:11:52.319 but I feel like it was like a secretly big 0:11:52.360 --> 0:11:53.360 deal when it came out. 0:11:53.400 --> 0:11:55.800 Like if you see when it came out, you were like, oh, 0:11:55.800 --> 0:11:56.079 I go. 0:11:56.080 --> 0:11:58.199 To play this like yeah, because like you were like, 0:11:58.240 --> 0:12:00.200 there's no reality in which you thought Deadpool was going 0:12:00.240 --> 0:12:03.080 to get his own games as well. But writing the comic, 0:12:03.120 --> 0:12:06.000 it was like as I was like writing it, and 0:12:06.040 --> 0:12:07.800 like once the first couple of issues came out and 0:12:07.800 --> 0:12:10.400 you're like, wow, people like I didn't realize, like how 0:12:10.760 --> 0:12:12.560 that Pool seems so much bigger now that he was 0:12:12.880 --> 0:12:14.800 I guess fifteen years ago when I was like first 0:12:14.800 --> 0:12:16.920 reading him. So like you have like people that are 0:12:16.920 --> 0:12:20.200 cosplaying him, people that are into like his deep lore now, 0:12:20.280 --> 0:12:22.040 like thing that I thought was going to be fun 0:12:22.120 --> 0:12:25.200 to bring back was like one of his daughters, Ellie. Yeah, 0:12:25.240 --> 0:12:27.000 And like just seeing the response from that, people like 0:12:27.120 --> 0:12:29.240 finally Ellie's coming back, and like, oh wow, I didn't 0:12:29.800 --> 0:12:33.319 I didn't realize that people love the Dugan and Brian 0:12:33.360 --> 0:12:34.360 Posaye run. 0:12:34.320 --> 0:12:37.040 Like yeah, I think for some people that's the definitive 0:12:38.000 --> 0:12:40.520 run that gave him that voice, which is funny because 0:12:40.559 --> 0:12:42.800 it's so far off that he was bought like kind 0:12:42.800 --> 0:12:45.960 of created, But yeah, that is definitely. 0:12:45.520 --> 0:12:46.240 One of those ones. 0:12:46.280 --> 0:12:48.640 And also so something really unique that I found out 0:12:48.679 --> 0:12:50.840 when I was working at the comic shop. They obviously 0:12:50.920 --> 0:12:53.480 knew Deadpool was a character that was selling, so they 0:12:53.559 --> 0:12:57.840 started putting out these like telephone sized collections of like 0:12:57.960 --> 0:13:01.680 Deadpool classics. It's really funny because it's like I was 0:13:01.679 --> 0:13:03.760 working at the comic shop. I on a twenty sixteen 0:13:03.840 --> 0:13:06.120 or twenty fifteen, right, and some of those books had 0:13:06.120 --> 0:13:07.880 only come out like three years ago, so we were 0:13:07.920 --> 0:13:10.079 all cracking up on them, like is this a classic? 0:13:10.160 --> 0:13:10.840 Is this a classic? 0:13:11.120 --> 0:13:14.280 But actually that meant that for a lot of people 0:13:14.280 --> 0:13:16.600 who saw the movie and wanted to buy Deport, it 0:13:16.679 --> 0:13:18.760 wasn't like, oh, this book's out of print, they could 0:13:18.760 --> 0:13:20.440 go into a comic shop and just pick up one 0:13:20.480 --> 0:13:23.160 of these volumes. And I think that the dug And 0:13:23.200 --> 0:13:25.000 one was definitely one of those ones. And I think 0:13:25.040 --> 0:13:28.520 it enabled Deppo to have this really unique fan base 0:13:28.520 --> 0:13:32.360 of people who are actually exceptionally well read in his 0:13:32.520 --> 0:13:35.600 law and kind of in his history and these kind 0:13:35.640 --> 0:13:38.520 of like you think things that are you think are 0:13:38.559 --> 0:13:40.400 kind of oh, this is just something I thought was cool, 0:13:40.440 --> 0:13:41.280 and then people are like. 0:13:41.480 --> 0:13:43.880 Na, man, like we needed Ellen a back, like Ellie 0:13:43.920 --> 0:13:44.680 come back. Man. 0:13:44.800 --> 0:13:47.440 Yeah, it was yeah. And also I remember being really 0:13:47.600 --> 0:13:50.040 that was sort of when I think right towards the telling, 0:13:50.120 --> 0:13:51.960 when I stopped having a lot of free time to 0:13:51.920 --> 0:13:53.480 read because I was a graduating college like, no, I'm 0:13:53.520 --> 0:13:54.880 gonna be broke for a living bit. But I remember 0:13:54.880 --> 0:13:58.120 being really invested in the Brian Pussain run because he 0:13:58.200 --> 0:14:00.640 was a comedian. Oh wow, ye write comics, So I 0:14:00.679 --> 0:14:02.240 knew it was gonna be like because I love Mister 0:14:02.280 --> 0:14:02.800 Show and. 0:14:02.720 --> 0:14:05.400 Like all that stuff, so like I mean so good. 0:14:05.559 --> 0:14:07.520 Yeah. I think that that was like sort of around 0:14:07.559 --> 0:14:09.320 the air where they started like sort of taking in 0:14:09.760 --> 0:14:12.240 comedic people and like having them writ in the comics. 0:14:12.240 --> 0:14:14.079 And I think that's when Also, like I think it 0:14:14.120 --> 0:14:17.199 also helped Deadpool sort of solidify his voice for that 0:14:17.840 --> 0:14:18.840 era of Deadpool. 0:14:19.280 --> 0:14:22.080 Yeah, I think so completely, Like you know, Daniel Way 0:14:22.120 --> 0:14:24.360 gave him that third voice in his head. But I 0:14:24.400 --> 0:14:26.400 think that a lot of what we really know comes, 0:14:26.520 --> 0:14:30.200 especially like the Chimney changa s. Yeah, let's just like 0:14:30.280 --> 0:14:33.080 I'm gonna eat this delicious Mexican food and then like 0:14:33.160 --> 0:14:34.120 chop off my own arm. 0:14:34.680 --> 0:14:36.760 You know, there's not enough topics or as the kind. 0:14:36.640 --> 0:14:53.920 Of wild stuff that Pool's lays day. You know, people 0:14:53.960 --> 0:14:56.600 love it, there's an unexpected love. But did you feel 0:14:56.600 --> 0:14:58.960 like there's a lot of freedom writing the character because 0:14:58.960 --> 0:15:01.440 it's just like suck a wild character. 0:15:02.480 --> 0:15:06.720 Yeah, I had Surprisingly, there's like sort of two answers 0:15:06.760 --> 0:15:09.520 like this, there's a lot of freedom because the character 0:15:09.680 --> 0:15:12.680 has been around for a while, but because he sort 0:15:12.720 --> 0:15:16.400 of built in with like, oh he's like crazy, he 0:15:16.400 --> 0:15:18.320 has voices. He like you don't know what's real and 0:15:18.400 --> 0:15:20.600 what's not real. Like you've had some freedom with that. 0:15:20.960 --> 0:15:24.680 Also because I had that, like I read like fifteen 0:15:24.760 --> 0:15:27.880 twenty years of Deadpool, like that's where my inspiration come from. 0:15:27.920 --> 0:15:30.400 So like I pulled from that. Actually, when I was 0:15:30.440 --> 0:15:31.960 writing it, I was I didn't know that they had 0:15:32.000 --> 0:15:34.120 gotten rid of the third voice. So like one of 0:15:34.120 --> 0:15:35.880 my first notes in the editor was like, hey, we 0:15:35.880 --> 0:15:37.880 haven't done this in like ten years. So I was like, oh, 0:15:37.920 --> 0:15:39.800 I guess that's how out of out of it I am. 0:15:39.680 --> 0:15:42.240 By you know, like that's my error of dead poot. 0:15:42.360 --> 0:15:45.360 Yeah, yeah, I need the three caption boxes to really 0:15:45.360 --> 0:15:46.920 make it sing. But I found that I had a 0:15:46.920 --> 0:15:48.120 lot of freedom, Like I said, this is what I 0:15:48.120 --> 0:15:50.640 wanted to do, Like I love Alyssa Wong's run a 0:15:50.680 --> 0:15:53.480 letter that they just made a mom com for yeah, 0:15:53.480 --> 0:15:55.360 ten twelve issues, however long it was. I thought that 0:15:55.400 --> 0:15:57.640 was cool. So like I was like, yeah, I want 0:15:57.640 --> 0:16:00.800 to do like, you know, a an off of comedy 0:16:00.960 --> 0:16:04.880 with Deadpool in his two kids. And you know, it's like, oh, yeah, 0:16:04.920 --> 0:16:08.120 that sounds fun. So like I think also because again 0:16:08.200 --> 0:16:10.280 Deadpool has been around for a while, like he has 0:16:10.400 --> 0:16:13.680 relationships with people like that Gel Simone run where like 0:16:13.840 --> 0:16:16.880 Agent X or whatever takes over the Deadpool run a 0:16:16.920 --> 0:16:19.320 road task Master. I can't remember who takes over, but 0:16:19.720 --> 0:16:21.800 I was like, oh, he has relationships like it made 0:16:21.840 --> 0:16:23.680 it easy to like sort of do that. So, like 0:16:23.880 --> 0:16:25.360 you know, I was I was actually surprised at a 0:16:25.440 --> 0:16:27.680 character that big had that much freedom when it came 0:16:27.720 --> 0:16:29.720 to like doing all I want to do with this story. 0:16:30.680 --> 0:16:31.480 Yeah, exactly. 0:16:31.520 --> 0:16:33.880 And I think that in a way, it's kind of 0:16:33.920 --> 0:16:37.240 funny because people do we do when we think of Deadpool, 0:16:37.320 --> 0:16:39.920 like we think of the wild stuff and yeah, the 0:16:40.000 --> 0:16:42.520 gross stuff. Batch you you make a really good point, 0:16:42.640 --> 0:16:45.280 and I think this is something the movies translated really well. 0:16:45.600 --> 0:16:48.080 There's actually like a lot of heart, and it's actually 0:16:48.080 --> 0:16:51.320 about how when you're this kind of weird immortal like 0:16:51.480 --> 0:16:55.880 constantly yeah, you know, your body's constantly making new cells 0:16:55.920 --> 0:16:58.080 and kind of living in this life but you live 0:16:58.160 --> 0:16:59.520 for such a long time, of course you're going to 0:16:59.560 --> 0:17:03.920 have important relationships. Yeah, Like the humanity is actually really vital, Yeah, 0:17:04.040 --> 0:17:08.320 to kind of keep alive when you're so infinitely overpowered. 0:17:08.440 --> 0:17:10.199 Yeah. And also it comes back to like again my 0:17:10.280 --> 0:17:13.400 favorite scene from almost any Deadpool stories that the uncunny 0:17:13.720 --> 0:17:16.880 X Men were like mm hm. Wolverine is like, you're 0:17:17.160 --> 0:17:18.879 we know what you are. You're a bad person, Like 0:17:18.920 --> 0:17:20.280 you're only in this for the money, Like why you 0:17:20.400 --> 0:17:22.520 pretend to have a soul, And He's like, no, I 0:17:22.880 --> 0:17:25.160 do bad things. I never I've never made any illusions 0:17:25.160 --> 0:17:27.119