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Speaker 1: Warning warning.

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Speaker 2: Today's episode contains spoilers for the current Marvel Deadpool series,

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Speaker 2: as well as some of the Mark with the Mouth's

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Speaker 2: previous appearances.

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Speaker 1: Hello, I am not Jason Concepcion.

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Speaker 2: I am Rosie Knight and welcome back to x ray Vision.

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Speaker 2: This week is Deadpool Kills the X ray Universe, where

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Speaker 2: luckily he doesn't kill us. But we are going to

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Speaker 2: have one new episode every single day of the week,

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Speaker 2: adding up to five episodes this week, all about Deadpool

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Speaker 2: versus Wolverine. Today, it's just me and I'm talking to

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Speaker 2: Cody Ziggler, the current Deadpool head writer and previous co

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Speaker 2: founder of x ray Vision, one of the original hosts,

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Speaker 2: and it's going to be a delightful chat about Depol's

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Speaker 2: comic book history and about making comics with Cody Ziggler.

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Speaker 1: Let's get into it.

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Speaker 2: Cody Ziggler is one of the original hosts of Extra

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Speaker 2: Vision and a superstar TV writer on shows like Futurama,

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Speaker 2: Rick and Morty, and She Hulk.

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Speaker 1: But that's not all.

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Speaker 2: He's also a fantastic comic book writer behind the Smash

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Speaker 2: It Spider Punk mini series and its sequel, which we

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Speaker 2: love deeply. Here and he's the current, as we say

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Speaker 2: in comics headwriter on Deadpool.

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Speaker 1: How are you doing, zig?

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Speaker 3: I am good. It's always a pleasure coming back in,

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Speaker 3: Like just honestly talking about nerd stuff for an hour?

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Speaker 3: Is that the best way to spend a Friday.

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Speaker 1: Just so happy to have you back on here. So

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Speaker 1: how have you been? I mean that's the first thing, Like,

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Speaker 1: everyone who listens to this show knows you. So how's

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Speaker 1: it going.

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Speaker 3: I've been good, and as you can, as you sort

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Speaker 3: of said, a little busy. The big thing that I

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Speaker 3: did was like when the writer's trick was happening, I

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Speaker 3: was like, I got nothing but free time. I'm going

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Speaker 3: to sign up for all my favorite comic books. And

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Speaker 3: then and then when the strike was settled, I was like,

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Speaker 3: oh wow, I do all these and write for future.

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Speaker 3: So I've been very busy for the past six months.

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Speaker 3: But it's a great problem to have. And also I

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Speaker 3: want to say congrats to you, like I've been loving

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Speaker 3: the Godzilla stuff you've been putting out, Like it's been

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Speaker 3: so fun.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much. That means a lot.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, very excited I have that we've got that first

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Speaker 2: Godzilla Kids graphic novel coming out soon in August, so

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Speaker 2: that's going to be rad. And yeah, I'm feeling very excited.

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Speaker 2: You know, we're very lucky to get to do this,

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Speaker 2: to get to two stories in this space. I mean,

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Speaker 2: I was stoked because I saw all those crazy the

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Speaker 2: and stuff. So yeah, it's been a good time. So

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Speaker 2: this is our week. We're doing a week of all

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Speaker 2: Deadpool and Wolverine coverage. We're gonna have a new episode

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Speaker 2: every single day, and having you here is a.

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Speaker 1: Big part of that.

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Speaker 2: So I would just start by asking you, like, what's

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Speaker 1: Like coming across Deadpool?

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Speaker 3: My first memory of Deadpool was I think. I mean,

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Speaker 3: like hey, you ever played street Fighter? And they're like

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Speaker 3: I was like, what the hell is this? And then

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Speaker 3: It's so funny. And then at the end of it

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Speaker 2: it's a perfect mix of like the gritty and the hilarious.

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Speaker 2: Yeah you know, which is kind of what I think

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Speaker 1: But what is it? What are those touch points that

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Speaker 3: But he's also such a unique character, I think at Marvel,

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Speaker 2: I guess Deadpool kind of has that, yeah, that similar

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Speaker 1: I mean, he was so the movie.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, people yearned for it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they they yearned to touch, and number one, you

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Speaker 3: You're like manifesting, manifesting who you want to Yeah.

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Speaker 2: And then I guess it was only a year later,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, like his life's so messed up, like he needs

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Speaker 1: I guess. Actually that's something you know.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I don't know, I've never thought of

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Speaker 3: like the deep seated reason, but now you're instead of singing.

438
00:18:48,400 --> 00:18:49,760
Speaker 3: I think it's I mean, I don't know, Like I

439
00:18:49,800 --> 00:18:51,560
Speaker 3: have a lot of friends that mean a lot to me.

440
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Speaker 2: Right, that's kind of I feel like our generation, it's

441
00:18:54,640 --> 00:18:56,919
Speaker 2: like it's something we can relate to because we have

442
00:18:57,000 --> 00:18:59,680
Speaker 2: found families, Yeah, friendship groups as we grow older.

443
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Speaker 1: We are in them that way.

444
00:19:01,080 --> 00:19:04,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, like we're constant communication. Like I have at least

445
00:19:04,760 --> 00:19:07,359
Speaker 3: three group chats where I maybe haven't seen some of

446
00:19:07,400 --> 00:19:09,600
Speaker 3: these people in years, but like we literally talk every

447
00:19:09,640 --> 00:19:12,320
Speaker 3: single day and I've talked every single day four years.

448
00:19:12,320 --> 00:19:15,119
Speaker 3: So like I think that that's not a unique experience

449
00:19:15,160 --> 00:19:16,480
Speaker 3: to me, and I think that's something that a lot

450
00:19:16,480 --> 00:19:18,679
Speaker 3: of people have. And I think also like, yeah, there

451
00:19:18,720 --> 00:19:20,280
Speaker 3: was a lot of power being like you know, sometimes

452
00:19:20,359 --> 00:19:22,479
Speaker 3: you're not dealt good family members. So being able to

453
00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:24,760
Speaker 3: like have the choice and the agency to choose those

454
00:19:24,760 --> 00:19:27,439
Speaker 3: people that you surround you with. I think it's also, like,

455
00:19:27,600 --> 00:19:29,840
Speaker 3: you know, a very powerful thing. And like I think,

456
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Speaker 3: particularly when you're that age, in the age of like

457
00:19:31,960 --> 00:19:34,680
Speaker 3: someone like young teenager, like being able to surround yourself

458
00:19:34,680 --> 00:19:36,480
Speaker 3: with the people that you want to Yeah, it's like

459
00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:38,080
Speaker 3: one of the most powerful feelings in the world. And

460
00:19:38,160 --> 00:19:40,600
Speaker 3: also like you can like let your freak flag fly

461
00:19:40,840 --> 00:19:42,760
Speaker 3: and like that's that's part of the fun, like warts

462
00:19:42,760 --> 00:19:44,639
Speaker 3: and all, Like particularly with Wade, who was full of

463
00:19:45,040 --> 00:19:47,320
Speaker 3: warts and all, so like being able to be himself

464
00:19:47,359 --> 00:19:50,640
Speaker 3: around people, I think is something that he really much admires.

465
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Speaker 3: And I think that's something that just happened to like

466
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Speaker 3: writing in books.

467
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you're so right actually, because I was

468
00:19:55,600 --> 00:19:58,880
Speaker 2: just thinking about this is like that there's something about

469
00:19:59,640 --> 00:20:03,840
Speaker 2: moving outside of like the traditional you know, family set up,

470
00:20:03,880 --> 00:20:06,040
Speaker 2: though honestly we are not necessarily people who are just

471
00:20:06,080 --> 00:20:09,120
Speaker 2: like writing about a nuclear family anyway, but like I'm

472
00:20:09,119 --> 00:20:12,040
Speaker 2: thinking about that too. Like with Montst Island Summer Camp.

473
00:20:12,840 --> 00:20:15,199
Speaker 2: I was literally just on a different podcast like before this,

474
00:20:15,280 --> 00:20:18,280
Speaker 2: with some really rad librarians called Turn the Page, but

475
00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:21,480
Speaker 2: talking about like where did the idea for these characters

476
00:20:21,520 --> 00:20:22,040
Speaker 2: come from?

477
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Speaker 1: And what do you do?

478
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Speaker 2: And that's a because it's set in a summer camp.

479
00:20:25,440 --> 00:20:28,919
Speaker 2: There's no parents, and it's about these three kids who

480
00:20:29,920 --> 00:20:32,240
Speaker 2: end up making this connection and you kind of build

481
00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:35,600
Speaker 2: that relationship and you want to give them those moments

482
00:20:35,640 --> 00:20:38,119
Speaker 2: of like that they're going to remember forever, they're going

483
00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:40,000
Speaker 2: to kind of like define them for the rest of

484
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Speaker 2: their lives. Those important kind of rad memories that you

485
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Speaker 2: have with these friends that you make, And I think

486
00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:50,040
Speaker 2: there is a definite freedom to just being like, well,

487
00:20:50,080 --> 00:20:53,480
Speaker 2: you can put three totally different characters together and get

488
00:20:53,480 --> 00:20:56,520
Speaker 2: to write three totally different people and then just kind

489
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Speaker 2: of imagine how they would exist in this space, in

490
00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:02,360
Speaker 2: this case, like a summer camp that's on Monster.

491
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Speaker 1: Island or in your case, the Marvel universe with Dimple.

492
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Speaker 1: But there's also it's not just because.

493
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Speaker 2: It's like relatable, because I feel that like my friendship

494
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Speaker 2: group is my family.

495
00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:12,720
Speaker 1: I love them so much.

496
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Speaker 2: But also I think as right as it is, there's

497
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Speaker 2: a certain amount of freedom to just saying like, well,

498
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Speaker 2: what if these three people met and like, yeah, if

499
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Speaker 2: I wanted to make them happy, yeah, and that it's

500
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Speaker 2: it's important you know.

501
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Speaker 5: So.

502
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Speaker 2: I guess when you were coming up with this idea

503
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Speaker 2: for your Deadpool story, how did you kind of go

504
00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:33,320
Speaker 2: about making those choices to kind of build this little

505
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Speaker 2: family around him for this workplace comedy.

506
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Speaker 3: Yeah, well I knew. I definitely, like I loved Princess

507
00:21:38,640 --> 00:21:40,840
Speaker 3: from the previous run. I love Valentine too, but that

508
00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:42,480
Speaker 3: was the only thing. More was like, well, let's we

509
00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:44,720
Speaker 3: just sort of had this like love story, let's have

510
00:21:44,760 --> 00:21:46,200
Speaker 3: something a little bit different. So I was like, okay,

511
00:21:46,280 --> 00:21:47,919
Speaker 3: i'll do that. I'll take that note, but like a

512
00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:50,240
Speaker 3: lot of princess like and I also loved Ellie, Like

513
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Speaker 3: I love the idea of like this other daughter character

514
00:21:53,160 --> 00:21:56,120
Speaker 3: that like is out there and like she presumably will

515
00:21:56,119 --> 00:21:58,399
Speaker 3: have powers, which she ended up developing it. So I

516
00:21:58,440 --> 00:22:01,520
Speaker 3: was like, yeah, it'd be fun to like watch Deadpool

517
00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:03,600
Speaker 3: be two different types of dad, like a dad to

518
00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:07,800
Speaker 3: like a weird symbio wolf daughter into like a daughter.

519
00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:10,720
Speaker 3: And you know, I like the idea of like I

520
00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:12,560
Speaker 3: think we've seen this in so many different types of comics,

521
00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:15,000
Speaker 3: for like you know, father with the dark passes like

522
00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:16,680
Speaker 3: I can't let you be a part of this world,

523
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Speaker 3: but here's my here's my card, or here's my phone

524
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Speaker 3: or whatever, and like you just sort of the kid

525
00:22:22,119 --> 00:22:24,520
Speaker 3: just like waits around forever to be contacted. So like

526
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Speaker 3: I like the idea of taking that and sort of

527
00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:28,520
Speaker 3: subverting it and have her being like no, fuck that,

528
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Speaker 3: Like I'm not going to be a damsel on the

529
00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:33,359
Speaker 3: stress to my own dad. That's crazy. So like I

530
00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:35,359
Speaker 3: like the idea of her making him be a father,

531
00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:37,760
Speaker 3: which like fun to me. And then having that just

532
00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:40,040
Speaker 3: set like an office place where like he's a not

533
00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:41,919
Speaker 3: only a bad boss, but also he's trying to be

534
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Speaker 3: a good dad. Seemed like very fun to me.

535
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Speaker 1: That's really good bad boss, good dad. That's the T shirt.

536
00:22:48,280 --> 00:22:48,560
Speaker 2: Yeah.

537
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Speaker 1: So I love this idea of kind of like the

538
00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:51,359
Speaker 1: Doors of Deadpool.

539
00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:52,160
Speaker 3: Yeah.

540
00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:54,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like Doors in the Dragon. I'm like, that's

541
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Speaker 1: the next spinoff. So what was it like? Your books

542
00:22:58,119 --> 00:22:59,320
Speaker 1: are always like full of humila.

543
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Speaker 2: I remember the time I read spider Punk number one

544
00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:04,679
Speaker 2: and I was just like screaming, as you know, a

545
00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:07,240
Speaker 2: cool thirty something year old who used to be like

546
00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:08,919
Speaker 2: a punk. I was like, Oh, this is like so

547
00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:14,960
Speaker 2: designed towards me. What was it like bringing now, like

548
00:23:15,359 --> 00:23:19,240
Speaker 2: years later and you've written on Futurama sheehol Grick and Morty,

549
00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:22,680
Speaker 2: like you've got this huge roster now of experience as

550
00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:27,080
Speaker 2: a TV writer on comedies, on really high profile shows.

551
00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:30,760
Speaker 2: Did you feel like that gave you like more insight

552
00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:32,359
Speaker 2: into how to write a funny comic?

553
00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:36,679
Speaker 3: Yeah, one thousand percent. Yeah, well yeah absolutely, because all

554
00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:40,199
Speaker 3: those rooms were so different. She York was probably maybe

555
00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:42,920
Speaker 3: the closer one to one because it was based off

556
00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:47,159
Speaker 3: also a similar sort of comedy comic. But yeah, like

557
00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:48,960
Speaker 3: I think the swimming that you learn when you're in

558
00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:51,600
Speaker 3: TV shows because it's I guess it's not too dissimilar

559
00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:53,960
Speaker 3: from comic book universes, is that, like you have a

560
00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:57,760
Speaker 3: bunch of characters, particularly shows like Futurama that's been on forever, like,

561
00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:00,960
Speaker 3: so every character has a very specific voice, so it's

562
00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:02,800
Speaker 3: sort of you sort of get trained to tap into

563
00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:05,320
Speaker 3: like a voice like oh, Wade probably talks like this

564
00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:07,760
Speaker 3: task Master is gonna be this type of character, and

565
00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:10,240
Speaker 3: Ellie and Princess will be like this distant character. But

566
00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:13,919
Speaker 3: also I think as I've gotten more experience in shows,

567
00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:16,040
Speaker 3: like I think also that's how I've sort of learned

568
00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:18,280
Speaker 3: to lean more into like the drama or the character

569
00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:20,840
Speaker 3: of it all. Like I think, particularly in Rick and Morty,

570
00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:23,520
Speaker 3: they would always talk about like this, like seventy thirty

571
00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:26,960
Speaker 3: split with like seventy percent comedy thirty percent drama, which

572
00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:29,159
Speaker 3: is how you can get an episode where you know,

573
00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:31,159
Speaker 3: Rick turns himself into a pickle, he makes a Mex

574
00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:33,520
Speaker 3: suit out of like rats, and like he fights like

575
00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:35,359
Speaker 3: Danny Trejo. But then at the end you just have

576
00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:39,400
Speaker 3: a very real, grounded scene between family and their therapist

577
00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:41,840
Speaker 3: or a show like Game of Thrones, which is like

578
00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:45,320
Speaker 3: maybe abris drama, but like Cheering is such a funny

579
00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:48,800
Speaker 3: Like there's so many funny scenes, like about once a week,

580
00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:53,119
Speaker 3: I'll rewatch the scene where Chierran confronts Jeoffrey and like

581
00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:54,879
Speaker 3: the town has been like they've been mutinating, Like he

582
00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:56,800
Speaker 3: just slaps the kid. He's like, that's my hand and

583
00:24:56,800 --> 00:24:58,320
Speaker 3: fult from my wrist. Like all that stuff is like

584
00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:01,120
Speaker 3: so funny, or like Breaking Back and there's super funny show.

585
00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:02,760
Speaker 3: It's like I think part of it was just like

586
00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:06,080
Speaker 3: sort of finding that balance, so like I really go

587
00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:08,720
Speaker 3: towards character stuff now, like I like exploring who Deadpool

588
00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:10,280
Speaker 3: is and then getting your jokes in when you can.

589
00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:12,440
Speaker 3: But like I think all of it's more just based

590
00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:15,480
Speaker 3: off like character stuff, and like the funny just happens

591
00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:17,440
Speaker 3: to like flow from that because we're surrounded by a

592
00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:18,960
Speaker 3: bunch of bizarre characters.

593
00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:21,879
Speaker 2: No, I feel that I actually think it's really interesting

594
00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:25,200
Speaker 2: to go into those comedy series and then you come

595
00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:27,600
Speaker 2: out and you're like, actually it's all about character, baby.

596
00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:29,159
Speaker 2: You're like that's why they can do it. But you

597
00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:31,480
Speaker 2: make so much sense. I mean everyone has their favorite

598
00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:35,040
Speaker 2: Futurama Rick and Morty episode where you're like, oh, this

599
00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:37,000
Speaker 2: is my favorite because it's like deeply haunting.

600
00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:39,119
Speaker 3: Yeah. Actually it's like, yeah.

601
00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:41,400
Speaker 1: Stuck with me for so many years.

602
00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:43,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean everyone told you know, with Rick and Morty,

603
00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:46,440
Speaker 2: I think a lot about like mister me Si. Yeah,

604
00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:49,680
Speaker 2: you know, everyone brings up because my niece and.

605
00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:51,720
Speaker 1: Nephew love it because obviously kids watch.

606
00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:54,679
Speaker 2: Rick and Morty thanks to the Internet and like, but

607
00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:59,120
Speaker 2: as my nephew gets older, he started to like understand.

608
00:25:58,560 --> 00:25:59,359
Speaker 1: How bleak it is.

609
00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:01,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, just this funny thing.

610
00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:04,960
Speaker 2: It's actually like this deeply existential, like grim thing.

611
00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:08,000
Speaker 1: And I think that's that thing that comes from, you know,

612
00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:09,000
Speaker 1: writing character.

613
00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:11,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can balance these like laugh out loud moments,

614
00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:14,119
Speaker 2: and I think that makes so much sense as to

615
00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:18,520
Speaker 2: why your Deadpool feels so whole simple is actually incredibly

616
00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:21,920
Speaker 2: haunting character. Yeah, Like if you really lay it all out,

617
00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:26,600
Speaker 2: it's just completely yeah, ridiculous and grotesque, but actually so

618
00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:29,879
Speaker 2: often you still get those moments that hit you and

619
00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:31,560
Speaker 2: make you care about Wade.

620
00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:34,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's who's the Ito was a Prometheus that was

621
00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:35,640
Speaker 3: tied to the rock.

622
00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:39,480
Speaker 2: For GIVINGTHEUS and just cutting the lunge, Tommy's getting it.

623
00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:41,600
Speaker 3: And everything, Like I think that's sort of Deadpool. Is

624
00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:44,520
Speaker 3: this mix of like Prometheus and like Sissyphis, where like

625
00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:47,560
Speaker 3: he's in constant like literally a constant state of decay

626
00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:51,640
Speaker 3: and regeneration, and at some point he was like curse

627
00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:54,120
Speaker 3: where like he could never die, so like the whole

628
00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:56,600
Speaker 3: universe will die. It's like just very interesting, like sort

629
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Speaker 3: of I mean, I sound like such a pretentious like

630
00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:00,800
Speaker 3: writer now, but like something je could you know that

631
00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:01,800
Speaker 3: really resonatd No.

632
00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:04,280
Speaker 1: But we do always say like and this is not

633
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:06,760
Speaker 1: just us, you know, people like Mike Kerry, like there's

634
00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:08,119
Speaker 1: fantastic creatives.

635
00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:12,560
Speaker 2: It might sound like ostentatious or pretentious whatever, but there

636
00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:14,399
Speaker 2: is a version of the world. I went to a

637
00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:17,399
Speaker 2: comic book class taught by Mike Kerry years ago in London,

638
00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:19,720
Speaker 2: and like he said, you know, there's a version of

639
00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:23,719
Speaker 2: the world where in two thousand years somebody finds like

640
00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:26,879
Speaker 2: a full collection of the X Men, right that something,

641
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:29,960
Speaker 2: and they're like, whoa, this is like sixty seventy eighty

642
00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:33,240
Speaker 2: years of storytelling, and so they assume that those are

643
00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:36,440
Speaker 2: like myths of our time. Oh yeah, yeah, they don't

644
00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:39,520
Speaker 2: necessarily have the context. So even though the whole idea

645
00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:41,359
Speaker 2: of like these are our gods, like we kind of

646
00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:44,080
Speaker 2: sometimes we rag on it or we laugh about how pretentious.

647
00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:44,840
Speaker 1: It is in a way.

648
00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:47,040
Speaker 2: You know, these are stories that we've been telling for

649
00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:51,080
Speaker 2: eighty years, and that's that does have like an impact

650
00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:53,919
Speaker 2: on you know, how people will see us in the

651
00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:56,480
Speaker 2: future or what kind of stories we're telling. You know,

652
00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:59,040
Speaker 2: there's a reason that these stories are so analogous. So

653
00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:00,919
Speaker 2: I think that you should you should keep that one

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Speaker 2: in your pocket. This is the first Prometheus combo.

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Speaker 1: That's a good one.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, that'll be poll quoting you on that because

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Speaker 2: it's true. And also like he is always on some

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Speaker 2: like unending mission to prove that he's like a good person,

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Speaker 2: but it doesn't really matter that he has work that

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Speaker 2: he's not like awful, And that's.

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Speaker 1: Really I think relatable for all of us.

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Speaker 3: All Right, So Rosie gave me the coat sign I'm

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Speaker 3: going in with that now, that's my new go in,

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Speaker 3: go in.

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Speaker 4: That's that's it's happening, you'll be saying, and like every interviews,

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Speaker 4: like emailing you, they're like please something.

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Speaker 5: Pick a new Greek theater or icon plete.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So as a person who loves hip hop and

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Speaker 2: like weird shit, I have to and your music stuff

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Speaker 2: that you build into comics is always so great. So

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Speaker 2: I did want to ask you, aut you know death Grip? Yeah,

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Speaker 2: and I know that is like there is an old

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Speaker 2: Marvel character called death Grip, but like what about your

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Speaker 2: version of death Grip?

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Speaker 1: And also do you love death Grips?

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Speaker 2: Like I just want to could you talk a little

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Speaker 2: bit about your villain creation.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I you know, I love the concept of death Grip.

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Speaker 3: Like some of their songs I can get into, So

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Speaker 3: I mean they're not the easiest man to get into,

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Speaker 3: but like I love I love what they're about, and

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Speaker 3: I like their front Yeah, I love their vibes. Are

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Speaker 3: you know no notes in their vibes? Death Grip was

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Speaker 3: sort of born out of like a lot of I

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Speaker 3: always found villains for characters, like particularly like Deadpool or Punisher,

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Speaker 3: where they can like just straight up kill their bad guys.

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Speaker 3: Is always very interesting because they never really stick around,

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Speaker 3: Like there aren't like a lot of Punisher rogue galleries

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Speaker 3: because he just looked forty five in the between their

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Speaker 3: eyes and they're done, like you know, and like even

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Speaker 3: like earlier Deadpool stuff with like was it t Ray

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Speaker 3: and Francis and all those guys, like they stuck around

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Speaker 3: for a while, but eventually like he just kills them.

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Speaker 3: So like, yeah, I thought it'd be fun to like

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Speaker 3: take a care that sort of is upsets with death. Also,

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Speaker 3: I was watching a lot of avatars. I was like,

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Speaker 3: I love the idea, like a miss. I like the

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Speaker 3: idea that they combined like magic with like just martial arts,

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Speaker 3: like a guy that My whole idea was like, this

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Speaker 3: is a guy that maybe he he went to like

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Speaker 3: two years of like magic school for like you know,

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Speaker 3: the comotage or whatever the version of that is. And

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Speaker 3: he was like, you know, this isn't for me. I'm

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Speaker 3: not built for this, but I am really good at

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Speaker 3: martial arts. They gonna make my own.

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Speaker 2: I've got like mild commentage magic martial art.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so I'm gonna build a cold around this. So

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Speaker 3: like that's where it came from, like a guy that

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Speaker 3: I think looked cool, had fun powers, and also that

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Speaker 3: it's this weird line between like you don't want him

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Speaker 3: to be disposable, but like you, I don't think you

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Speaker 3: want to hinge Like twenty four issues on like this one,

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Speaker 3: like don't, I don't. I think it's very rare. For

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Speaker 3: what I mean I'm saying is like I don't know

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Speaker 3: if Deadpool is going to have like a green goblin.

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Speaker 1: Or Yeah, it's odd because of the nature of Deadpool.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so it's like I think a lot of his

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Speaker 3: demons have to be internal, So like death Grip was

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Speaker 3: a fun way to sort of play with that with

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Speaker 3: like a character that's like maybe quasi immortal, but also

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Speaker 3: so he does magic, and like it's always fun seeing

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Speaker 3: people do like funning like weird.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he doesn't want to see cool hand signs in

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Speaker 2: the Marvel universe.

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Speaker 3: That's like yeah, yeah, so like that's where he came from,

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Speaker 3: and he just sort of gets us into having more

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Speaker 3: staple Marvel villain show up later, which I think is

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Speaker 3: also really fun, like I'll have a big Goofy villain,

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Speaker 3: and death Grip I think is an inch way into

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Speaker 3: like Goofy.

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Speaker 2: Marvel Magic is a great opening attle to that kind

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Speaker 2: of stuff. Also, I just I love that he's called

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Speaker 2: death Grip because I think a lot about the picture

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Speaker 2: that it's like Beyonce death.

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Speaker 1: Grips and Robert Pattinson and it's like just.

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Speaker 2: This absolutely unsettling wild Why does this exist? Yeah? Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: and I feel like that channels a lot of Deathpool energy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah well yeah, so Zig it was so wonderful to

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Speaker 2: have you here. We're going to do one more little bit.

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Speaker 2: But first, where can people find you? Where can they

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Speaker 2: follow you? Do you have anything else you want to plug?

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, check me out on Instagram if you want

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Speaker 3: to see mostly pictures of comic book stuff, because I

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Speaker 3: think it's really cool to get art in. That's where.

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Speaker 3: That's where you'll find me.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, shout out your Deadpool lowed a terrible thing

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Speaker 2: I've messed.

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Speaker 3: Oh no, yeah, so Oj is fantastic. He's every email

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Speaker 3: is like very affectionate, very loving and like like this

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Speaker 3: is the cool thing I've ever seen, or like I

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Speaker 3: want to draw this. So he's very very fun. I

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Speaker 3: love working with him. I love the whole team in general.

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Speaker 3: The big fun thing have coming out this year is

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Speaker 3: my first creator own graphic novel yeah called Goobers from

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Speaker 3: Vault Comics, Hard Comedy. Thank you. It's very fun. It

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Speaker 3: was very fun to write, very fun to see the

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Speaker 3: pages out, and I think it turned out pretty fun,

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Speaker 3: which I'm excited about. So check those things out and

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Speaker 3: you know, follow me on Instagram at Yafer Zig.

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Speaker 1: Whoo, doude follow Zig. He's very fun. Okay.

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Speaker 2: We love to finish every episode with a fast moving segment.

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Speaker 2: So today we're gonna do Who's Who, and it's going

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Speaker 2: to be me and Zig talking about our favorite Deadpool variants,

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Speaker 2: which if you don't know, Deadpool has, like there's a

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Speaker 2: lot of Pools. Yeah, and you know you're gonna get

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Speaker 2: to see a few of them in the movie. I'm

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Speaker 2: gonna go because I am as predictable as ever. I'm

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Speaker 2: gonna go with Deadpool Dinosaur slash Dinosaur Deadpool because it's

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Speaker 2: it's like a t Rex but who has all of

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Speaker 2: Deadpool's powers and I just love dinosaurs. I also want

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Speaker 2: to give a shout out to Headpool.

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Speaker 3: Yeah it's just a head.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, those are two of my favorites.

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Speaker 3: I want to give a shout out to dog Pool,

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Speaker 3: of course, who is oh very famously. Yeah, he's the legend.

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Speaker 3: He did he did a lot for the community, the

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Speaker 3: lot of dog Deadpool community also one that seems sort

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Speaker 3: of anthethetical to the dead Pool idea. Maybe it's not

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Speaker 3: is kid Pool? Like, I love the idea that little mini.

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Speaker 1: Dead always makes me laugh.

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Speaker 4: I'm like, sure the evil I would love to read

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Speaker 4: like a kick cass level like R rated comic.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Maybe maybe now we're doing them with the kind of

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Speaker 2: blood Hunt variants you know, yeah, man variants, maybe we

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Speaker 2: could get a little kid Pool going around killing everyone.

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Speaker 1: Wonderful.

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Speaker 2: Thank you again, Zig, so great to have you here.

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Speaker 2: So stoke for Goober has definitely come back and talk

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Speaker 2: to us.

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Speaker 3: Oh yes, I'll definitely send you a copy. I think

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Speaker 3: you'll really dig it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I can't wait.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for joining us for our Deadpool and Wolverine

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Speaker 2: week and now get out there and see the movie

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Speaker 2: and Saturday morning, after you've watched the movie on opening night,

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Speaker 2: which I'm sure you will, make sure to come back

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Speaker 2: and listen to our reaction on dead Pool and Wolverine,

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Speaker 2: and we'll be back to our regularly schedule programming Tuesday

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Speaker 2: with our House of the Dragon season two episode seven

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Speaker 2: recap with Me and your favorite Master, Jason bye x.

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Speaker 6: and is a production of iHeart podcasts Our executive producers

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