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Speaker 1: Amy roboc and TJ. Holmes present Killer Thriller with your

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Speaker 1: host Alisa Donovan.

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Speaker 2: Hey, everybody, Elisa Donovan here and this is Killer Thriller Today.

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Speaker 2: I am joined by actress Tohira Sharif to talk about

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Speaker 2: her gripping new Lifetime movie Girl in the Coffin. To

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Speaker 2: hear it plays Jasmine, a young woman grieving the recent

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Speaker 2: death of her mother, who finds comfort in Bill, the

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Speaker 2: seemingly compassionate funeral director who handled her mother's service. But

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Speaker 2: his kindness masks a terrifying obsession, and when Jasmine wakes

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Speaker 2: up trapped inside a coffin beneath his funeral home, she

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Speaker 1: So this movie really.

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Speaker 2: Makes me think about cases like Colleen stan who was

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Speaker 2: kidnapped in nineteen seventy seven when she was just twenty

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Speaker 2: years old and held captive for seven years, spending long

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Speaker 2: periods confined in a coffin like box. And Colleen's case

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Speaker 2: became an extraordinary example of the power of fear and

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Speaker 2: psychological control. And Girl in the Coffin taps into some

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Speaker 2: of the most chilling dynamics that we've seen play out

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Speaker 2: in real life crimes, predators who target people at their

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Speaker 2: and victims who have to learn to understand and sometimes

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Speaker 2: outsmart the person holding them captive. So let's get into it. Tahira,

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Speaker 2: welcome to Killer Thriller. Thank you so much for being

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Speaker 2: here with me.

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Speaker 3: Ah, thank you for having me my pleasure.

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Speaker 2: So congratulations on this movie, which is just wow.

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Speaker 1: It's really.

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Speaker 2: It's so disturbing and your work is so so good

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Speaker 2: in it. So for anyone who hasn't seen Girl in

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Speaker 2: the Carpin, tell us who Jazzmine is and how she

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Speaker 4: So the story centers around this character of Jasmine Sutter.

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Speaker 4: She's like just lost her mom who she was really

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Speaker 4: really in the midst of of loss and grief, and

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Speaker 4: whilst you planning her mother's funeral, she encounters this funeral

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Speaker 4: director who you know, at first glance is really warm

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Speaker 2: Actually, yes, so do you think that he recognizes immediately

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, definitely, look he as much as he's

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Speaker 4: So I think anyone who's ever dealt with death or

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Speaker 4: some form of major loss or grief, I think will know.

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Speaker 3: That you are in the most vulnerable.

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Speaker 4: State that you can be in at that time, and

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Speaker 4: it's so easy for people to take advantage.

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Speaker 1: Right exactly.

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Speaker 2: It's such a and in particular because that's such an

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Speaker 2: intimate form of.

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Speaker 1: An intimate relationship.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I remember this from my when my dad

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Speaker 2: that kind of openness that you have without really asking

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And that's I think that's what's so interesting about

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Speaker 3: People that are like, why did she fall for this?

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Speaker 3: Or you know, did she follow him?

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Speaker 4: Or you know, how did she get herself into this position?

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Speaker 4: But I think again, if you are someone who's ever

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Speaker 2: Yes, And because then he doesn't come, you know, he

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Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, And it's that whole thing as well, about

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Speaker 1: And there that is such an interesting thing.

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Speaker 2: There is like a it feels almost easier sometimes definitely. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: I think, I think genuinely, I think you'd have to, right,

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Speaker 4: preposterous as that might seem, I genuinely do believe in

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, And it's so a caffin.

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Speaker 2: It has such an enormous psychological meaning beyond just being

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Speaker 2: actually filming those scenes? I mean, could you move it all?

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Speaker 2: Did you feel claustrophobic?

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Speaker 3: I think initially I thought, oh gosh, how long am

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Speaker 4: Because you know, being on set obviously, you know, you know,

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Speaker 2: Yeah exactly, You're like, hey, I'm still here here over here?

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Speaker 4: Either and even when they're like, okay, we've got to

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Speaker 3: But you know what, actually.

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Speaker 4: I was so I was feeling a little bit anxious

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Speaker 3: But the crew was so lovely.

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Speaker 4: I want to say, like fifteen twenty seconds, like Max, Okay,

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Speaker 1: There was still long. That's still feel I'm sure it

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Speaker 2: It was.

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Speaker 4: I think for me, I'm I'm I don't. I'm not

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Speaker 1: Like she fell asleep, Wait what happened?

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Speaker 3: It's really relaxing.

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Speaker 2: So you never did you have any moment where you went,

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Speaker 4: No, I didn't, actually, because even there were certain sequences

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Speaker 1: That makes me feel bad.

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Speaker 2: I remember I had to lay in a coughin once

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Speaker 1: And everything's open, and I felt like, oh, I don't

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Speaker 2: Do you think so once Jasmine realizes what has happened

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Speaker 4: I know, I think she genuinely believes that this is,

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Speaker 2: I mean, that's I think in all of these sorts

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I you know, I am listen.

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Speaker 4: Well, there's one podcast I was listening to about different

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Speaker 1: Why didn't she run? And does Jasmine's experience show.

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Speaker 2: I think, yes, but you can tell me how much

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Speaker 2: more complicated survival actually is.

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Speaker 4: I just think I think unless you're you've been in

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 3: Sorry to know, I'm not going to get too deep.

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Speaker 4: But there's there's been a lot of conversation about just

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Speaker 4: who just said, oh no, I just I just tell them,

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Speaker 4: you know, directly what I want, And I'm like, well, yeah,

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Speaker 4: that works easy for you. Not quite the same reaction

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Speaker 4: that I'm going to get unfortunately.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, So do you think that people are too

447
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Speaker 6: quick to judge how victims behave when they've never experienced

448
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Speaker 6: the fear and psychological control of captivity themselves?

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Speaker 3: One hundred percent, one hundred percent without a doubt.

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Speaker 4: And unfortunately, even police, you know, do the same thing

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Speaker 4: where they you know, question the victim more than you

452
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Speaker 4: know the the captor, and you just think, you know,

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Speaker 4: that that's not important. What's important is why the bad

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Speaker 4: person did what they did. So no, I I don't

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Speaker 4: think I I'm trying to think. No, I don't think

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Speaker 4: I do question because also I you know, fortunately I

457
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Speaker 4: don't have any I don't have any personal experience of

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Speaker 4: you know, being held captive. So actually, I if you

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Speaker 4: never have been in a you know, a kind of

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Speaker 4: even just like an intense situation where you're really afraid

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Speaker 4: for your safety or you know, anything like that, you

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Speaker 4: just you just have no idea how you're going to

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Speaker 4: react in the moment.

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Speaker 3: You don't.

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Speaker 4: And everyone's survival instinct is really different and is going

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Speaker 4: to kind of show itself in different ways. And so

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Speaker 4: I just think to myself, look, actually, I have so

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Speaker 4: much respect for people like Jasmine.

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Speaker 3: You know who.

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Speaker 4: Just don't give up, because actually I think I think,

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Speaker 4: I think I'll just give up and be like, oh

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Speaker 4: you know what this.

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Speaker 1: Gad, I guess this is my life now?

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Speaker 4: Right? Yeah, yeah, exactly, And so I think, wow, like

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Speaker 4: the strength mental strength that that must take, and.

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Speaker 2: Like the true will to live, right, there's something incredibly

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Speaker 2: beautiful about that that I really want to survive, you know.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, totally.

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Speaker 4: That's probably more what I focus on actually, and that

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Speaker 4: I'm more fascinated by rather than you know, whatever they

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Speaker 4: have to do, But it's more about, Wow, they really

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Speaker 4: want to live. It's amazing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. Well, So after spending so much time inside

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Speaker 1: Jasmine's head, what do you hope that people watching her

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Speaker 1: story understand about the extraordinary and unexpected ways people find

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Speaker 1: to survive.

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Speaker 4: I think, you know, like just what we've been talking about,

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Speaker 4: like giving I guess, giving victim these other victims a

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Speaker 4: lot of grace, not you know, like not judging them,

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Speaker 4: but actually more judging you know, the situation that they've

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Speaker 4: been put in.

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Speaker 2: And.

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Speaker 3: Like appreciating.

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Speaker 4: The fact that, like we said, you know, just appreciating

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Speaker 4: someone's appreciating and respecting sorry, appreciating respecting someone's like pure

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Speaker 4: desire to live no matter what they have to do.

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Speaker 4: I just that's what I hope people will take from it,

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Speaker 4: and you know, yeah, just not to make kind of

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Speaker 4: silly assumptions about oh, you know, oh, well you know,

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Speaker 4: why didn't they get up and run, or why didn't

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Speaker 4: she fight back? You know, any of that. Well she

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Speaker 4: didn't and she lived.

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Speaker 3: So there you go.

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Speaker 2: Well, thank you so much for talking with me today.

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Speaker 2: So A Girl in the Caffin is streaming now on Lifetime.

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Speaker 2: It's a very powerful thriller and to hear her, you're

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Speaker 2: just lovely.

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Speaker 1: I've so enjoyed meeting you, and thank you so much.

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Speaker 4: Can I just sorry I have to include this part,

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Speaker 4: but oh my god, I just need to like girl.

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Speaker 1: Fast, Oh please please.

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Speaker 4: I was like when my team were like, oh, there's

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Speaker 4: an interview request coming, like, I literally have landed today.

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Speaker 4: I've been in New York for the last four days

515
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Speaker 4: and I'm like absolutely, I'm so tired.

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Speaker 3: And I was like, no, who's hang on, who's the

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Speaker 3: hot I don't have.

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Speaker 5: To do it.

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Speaker 3: I have to do it. I have to.

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Speaker 2: Oh thank you so oh that made me feel good.

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Speaker 4: And I know you must get this all the time.

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Speaker 4: And probably you're like, probably so bored of hearing it.

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Speaker 4: But I'm so sorry. But I just like, I'm sorry.

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Speaker 4: Tru Lis is like my.

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Speaker 3: My absolute like childhood. I know, you know how to

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Speaker 3: explain how much that movie means to me.

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Speaker 1: Oh, I love it.

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Speaker 2: I mean, listen, I I it makes me feel great.

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Speaker 2: It's brought many wonderful things to me too, so I'm

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Speaker 2: eternally grateful for it. I'm just shocked that it keeps,

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Speaker 2: you know, I mean, I love it.

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Speaker 4: It's like it's just timeless and iconic and oh my god,

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Speaker 4: I can't even.

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Speaker 2: Oh, thank you so much for saying that.

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Speaker 1: Well, best of luck with the movie. I hope it's

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Speaker 1: a huge success.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much. Yeah, it's been really great and.

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Speaker 1: I hope we get to chat again.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, amazing, Thank you, thank you.

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Speaker 1: Bye,