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Speaker 1: Welcome back to a Numbers Game with Ryan Gurdusky, Episode

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Speaker 1: thirty one. Thank you all for being here yet again.

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Speaker 1: It is June, summer is officially here. Half the year

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Speaker 1: is over, which is insane to me. Didn't feel like

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Speaker 1: it's been six months, but we are getting there, and

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Speaker 1: it's been a busy week. There were a lot of

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Speaker 1: conferences going on. There was a Bitcoin conference over in

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Speaker 1: Vegas that the vice president spoke at. I had a

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Speaker 1: few friends there. My buddy Mike Cernovich was kind of

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Speaker 1: freaking out on Twitter about the future of AI poses

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Speaker 1: to jobs and humanity, and I want to actually get

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Speaker 1: them on the podcast to talk about what he heard

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Speaker 1: and what I want to do a whole AI episode.

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Speaker 1: I think that that would be interesting. If you're interested

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Speaker 1: in the AI episode, let me know in my email,

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Speaker 1: Ryan at Numbers gamepodcast dot com. I think there's a

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Speaker 1: lot of data that that people really would be questioning

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Speaker 1: because you hear a lot of back and forth whether

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Speaker 1: it's the end of the world or it's really overhyped.

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Speaker 1: And then there was also c PAC Hungary over in Buddapest.

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Speaker 1: Have a lot of friends that went there. My buddy

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Speaker 1: Jack Pisobek had a great speech on patriotism. It was

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Speaker 1: on his Twitter account. I really really enjoyed that. I

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Speaker 1: don't go to Seapack anymore. Though I won't go there anymore,

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Speaker 1: I don't I have a problem with the leadership currently

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Speaker 1: person run the organization, and he seems that it's not

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Speaker 1: always using it for the best purposes. And there are

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Speaker 1: so many stories now at this point, and so many

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Speaker 1: accusations of him allegedly forcing himself on men that I

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Speaker 1: don't feel comfortable supporting that kind of organization so long

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Speaker 1: as he's there. And there was a story there was

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Speaker 1: an allegation as recently as February that I think Conservation

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Speaker 1: know about before they back an institution supported by him.

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Speaker 1: There's been a lot of things that go on. There's

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Speaker 1: been a lot of stories of people who work there

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Speaker 1: it's it's a problem.

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Speaker 1: I don't I won't participate in any Seapack things that

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Speaker 1: will go in the future. I used to go all

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Speaker 1: the time, though I used to love seap was great fun,

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Speaker 1: I saw a Congressman Warren Davidson posting a picture he

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Speaker 1: took with match Lap and Congressman Abe Hamaday, and I

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Speaker 1: really wanted to tweet and be like, what happened? You

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Speaker 1: you found the two of them in there, allegedly allegedly Anyway,

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Speaker 1: that was what happened this week. But going to June,

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Speaker 1: two big things are happening. Two big elections are happening.

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Speaker 1: They are the primaries for the New Jersey governor's race

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Speaker 1: and the New York City Mayor's election. Now, I spent

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Speaker 1: a whole episode in Jersey, and I'm going to have another

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Speaker 1: want to focus on my hometown of New York City.

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Speaker 1: I know there's a lot of people who might think,

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Speaker 1: City plays a big part in our national conversation. When

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Speaker 1: Giuliani was mayor and worked to Clinton New York, it

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Speaker 1: affected the entire country and how a tackle crime. And

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Speaker 1: Bill Clinton took credit for all that. But then there

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Speaker 1: Think New York has been reflective of this nation as

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Speaker 1: in the Democratic primary. Now there'll be two high profile

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Speaker 1: There are eleven people running in a ranked choice voting system.

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Speaker 1: who is running as an open socialist. He's campaigning on

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Speaker 1: And he also wants to take over all the grocery

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Speaker 1: This year, Andrew Cuomo has created his own parties called

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Speaker 1: Most people don't realize, but New York City has moved

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Speaker 1: And they are also hoping that a divided Democratic field

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Speaker 1: This week, we have two guests on the show, one Democrat,

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Speaker 1: Our first guest in today's episode is Hank Shankoff. He

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Speaker 1: So, Hank, you are an expert in a lot of

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Speaker 1: things with democratic primaries, especially in New York City, former

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Speaker 1: governor Andrew Cuomo has had a very big lead, and

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Speaker 1: there's been this one poll, especially by Emerson, showing something

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Speaker 1: be MENMANI I'm really climbing in the polls. Is there

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Speaker 3: Six months ago, a well known idiot predicted that Mandammie

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Speaker 3: Cuomo is doing better with poorer people, who are more

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Speaker 3: minority people, people are less educated. The ballot is complicated

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Speaker 3: better educated people will be able to manipulate it more significantly.

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Speaker 3: What I find fascinating is that this generation of people

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Speaker 3: who have eaten more regularly had more housing over their

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Speaker 3: aligning themselves with someone who has been very public about

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Speaker 3: his attitudes about the Middle East, particularly Jews and housing

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Speaker 3: and bus fare and who's going to pay? Now? If

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Speaker 3: I were a munisipal worker and someone said to me,

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Speaker 3: out of your minds? Because after you just finishes in

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Speaker 3: taxing everybody and chasing them out of the city, there'll

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Speaker 3: It would injure them significantly. I mean, I've done a

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Speaker 3: People think about Jews in New York City, they think

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Speaker 1: Changed what I think you're describing and what is so

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Speaker 2: New York City.

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Speaker 1: And I am not only a lifelong New York City resident,

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Speaker 3: I think that's entirely accurate. If you look at Long

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Speaker 3: They've eaten more frequently. How's better, They've got better educational opportunities.

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Speaker 3: And their response to all this is to say, drop dead.

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Speaker 3: We all we demand more, and we like this night

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Speaker 2: It amazing one hundred percent. Sure, it's scary.

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Speaker 1: And I grew up in a time where Long Island

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Speaker 3: Well partially, but hold on, hold on this someven you're

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Speaker 3: You're looking to say, okay, what are the percentages of

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Speaker 3: long as we do that, Madamie has a much better

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Speaker 2: I think.

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Speaker 1: Also the thing is that someone asked me how was

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Speaker 3: Absolutely accurate. Who's leaving New York. The young people you're

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Speaker 3: Those are the people leaving. The trucks, the moving vans

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Speaker 3: Let's be real, who wants to stay here unless you

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Speaker 1: One thing we saw in the last election last president

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: He went from twenty one percent twenty sixteen to thirty

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Speaker 3: Important questions you're raising. If you look at South Brooklyn

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Speaker 3: I've always believed in two party systems, and I think

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Speaker 3: and where you have no enforcement tool. The president of

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Speaker 3: the Republican Party is the enforcement tool. The enforcement tool

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Speaker 3: among Democrats used to be labor unions, but they're not

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Speaker 3: as strong as they once were, and the strongest of them,

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Speaker 3: the teamsters, walked away from the Democrats, and you know,

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Speaker 3: made sure that May does their best to help Donald

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Speaker 3: Trump get elected, knowing that the basic part of their

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Speaker 3: population and membership were Frankly Trump.

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Speaker 1: Iyes Hank, going last question, if you were advising Governor

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Speaker 1: Cuomo from my Governor Cuotomo, what is his message in

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Speaker 1: the last three weeks to Democratic voters in New York City.

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Speaker 3: I'll make you feel safe again, and I'll make you

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Speaker 3: feel wanted.

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Speaker 1: That's great, that's right, Hank. Where can people go to

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Speaker 1: read more of your stuff and find out more about you.

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Speaker 3: I've never been really good at self promotion. I just

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Speaker 3: go out and do this. I have no idea. If

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Speaker 3: you said, you know I'm a blue collar product of

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Speaker 3: New York City, they got to do this work all

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Speaker 3: over the world. I have no idea how it happened.

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Speaker 3: There's a lot of stuff online. I just it amazes

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Speaker 3: me every day, and I think I'm the luckiest, most

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Speaker 3: fortunate me. And I would leave you with one thought,

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Speaker 3: though I'm not a fool. And what I believe is

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Speaker 3: that whatever I have been able to achieve in my

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Speaker 3: life from a high school drop out, you know that

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Speaker 3: free education, University City, University of New York. I would

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Speaker 3: never go one to school without New York. I would

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Speaker 3: never become Hangshikoff. And I urge everyone to remember not

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Speaker 3: my example, but the example of millions who came before

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Speaker 3: me and afterwards want the same opportunities. And they got

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Speaker 3: to figure out which of the people running from mayor

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Speaker 3: We'll make sure those dreams can come true.

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Speaker 2: That's great.

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Speaker 1: I'm a product in New York City too, although I

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Speaker 1: went to Catholic school, but I New York nade me

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Speaker 1: into a person. So I love that city endlessly and

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Speaker 1: I completely relate to you.

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Speaker 2: And I ended up going to politics.

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Speaker 1: And I also I'm a college dropout, not high school,

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Speaker 1: but college, so I went back.

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Speaker 3: I got lucky again. Cuning made it possible for me

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Speaker 3: when there was no tuition.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I went to wait.

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Speaker 3: You know, I worked. I was a condoman at the Carnegie,

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Speaker 3: in the stage and all those places, a union economyn

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Speaker 3: I mean, you know, I was a police officer. That's

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Speaker 3: fairly well known. I mean I had an extraordinarily interesting

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Speaker 3: life and through a satin of accidents, this occurred and

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Speaker 3: I haven't looked back. But again, this generation of people

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Speaker 3: have had it really good. Why they're in revolt is

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Speaker 3: the question that Democrats need to answer, because if the

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Speaker 3: two parties split, one going all the way to the

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Speaker 3: right and one going all the way to the left,

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Speaker 3: it tells you that there's something wrong in the country

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Speaker 3: because there's no place where all of us can meet anymore.

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Speaker 3: And that is really troubling to me.

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Speaker 1: That's a great closer And Hank, New York makes the

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Speaker 1: most interesting people in the world, and you're one of them.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for being on this podcast.

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Speaker 3: Thank you for having me on. I'm grateful.

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Speaker 2: Hey, we'll be right back after this.

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Speaker 1: My other guest for this episode is Councilman Joeanne Ariola.

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Speaker 1: She is the minority leader of the Republican Party in

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Speaker 1: the New York City Council. She represents the area around

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Speaker 1: Howard Beach and Rockaway and Ozon Parks. She's a good

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Speaker 1: friend of mine. Councilman, Areola, thank you for being here.

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Speaker 4: Such a pleasure. Thank you so much.

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Speaker 3: Ryan.

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Speaker 2: This is your podcast debut. So it's very exciting, it

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Speaker 2: really is.

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Speaker 4: I'm very excited.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 1: Most people don't know this, but New York City has

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Speaker 1: been taking to the right. In the last couple elections.

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Speaker 1: In twenty nineteen, there were only six elected Republicans in

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Speaker 1: all of New York City and there are currently sixteen.

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Speaker 1: That's something that seems that getting ten seats in over

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Speaker 1: the course of the five years. Given what we have

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Speaker 1: with the elections this year, what are Republicans really focusing on.

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Speaker 5: We're focusing on the migrant crisis, working collaboratively with ICE

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Speaker 5: to alleviate that crisis, Law and order crime, We're working

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Speaker 5: with the state representatives that are Republicans to address criminal justice, reform,

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Speaker 5: raise the age, and of course cash list fail because

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Speaker 5: these are all the things that put us where we

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Speaker 5: are today.

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Speaker 1: Well, we have the elections for the City Council and

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Speaker 1: the mayor. Is there any chance for Republicans to gain

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Speaker 1: in the City Council.

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Speaker 5: Yes, we definitely have areas where we can gain. I

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Speaker 5: think in Queens we can take Bob Holden seat which

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Speaker 5: will be vacated because he's term limited with Alicia Maconez.

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Speaker 1: For those who don't know, that is in western Queens.

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Speaker 1: That's one of the red spots you always see in

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Speaker 1: a map of New York cities. It's traditionally ready he's

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Speaker 1: a conservative Democrat now retiring. So yes, that's one of

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Speaker 1: the areas.

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Speaker 4: The other is in Brooklyn forty seven.

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Speaker 5: We have Richard Barsimi and he's currently the chair of

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Speaker 5: the Republican Party and I think that he's now in

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Speaker 5: a hotly contested primary which I believe he will win,

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Speaker 5: and I think he will take it across the finish

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Speaker 5: line in November.

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Speaker 1: Well, I think that what people don't, I think realize

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Speaker 1: that everyone kind of has a characature of New York

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Speaker 1: and New Yorkers, But Republicans have had tremendous interests gains

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Speaker 1: rather with the Hispanic community, in the Asian community. And

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Speaker 1: this has been with Governor Lee Zelden's campaign, This has

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Speaker 1: been with Curtis Lee was first campaign. This is now

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Speaker 1: with Trump's campaign. You've seen this continue increase. How does

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Speaker 1: a party work to sit there and try to keep

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Speaker 1: those voters. How do we sit there and work to

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Speaker 1: have those conversations. You have a lot of South these

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Speaker 1: Asians in your own district and the Hispanics in your

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Speaker 1: district too. What are some things that Republicans in urban

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Speaker 1: areas should be doing to build those kinds of connections.

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Speaker 5: What we've been doing in Queen's County is doing a

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Speaker 5: lot of outreach and we're doing a lot of offshoot

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Speaker 5: clubs South Asian Republican Clubs, Asian Republican Clubs, the Hispanic

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Speaker 5: Republican clubs, really inviting them into the main organization called

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Speaker 5: the Queen's County GOP. And the reason why we've seen

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Speaker 5: such a shift in these demographics is because they've just

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Speaker 5: had enough of democratic rule where they were losing their

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Speaker 5: specialized schools, their kids couldn't get to school safely, the

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Speaker 5: crime on the subways and the buses that children couldn't

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Speaker 5: take to go to school, or people couldn't go to work.

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Speaker 5: When you talk about the Asian community and the Hispanic community,

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Speaker 5: the Bangladeshi community, any community where you have one and

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Speaker 5: two income families that have a home and just want

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Speaker 5: to have their peace of Americana they're going to vote

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Speaker 5: Republican right.

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Speaker 1: And this is I think what we're seeing a lot

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Speaker 1: in the Democratic primary for mayor, where you have a

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Speaker 1: Samil Mendani who is running on a very far left platform,

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Speaker 1: specifically something that he's really curated towards Manhattanites, people who

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Speaker 1: live in places like a story of people who live

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Speaker 1: in Williamsburg, high income, college educated people who would both

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Speaker 1: be negatively affected by his by his platform, but the

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Speaker 1: working class would be much more negatively affected by his platform.

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Speaker 1: I had I had on my last guest was a

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Speaker 1: Democratic consultant and Harry Schenkoff, and he sat there and

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Speaker 1: said that working class people feel like they are abandoned

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Speaker 1: by the elitism of the Democratic Party, and that's why

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Speaker 1: you're seeing these voters move towards Republicans. Is that a

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Speaker 1: conversation you've had with voters in your time as a

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Speaker 1: councilman and now as minority leader.

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Speaker 5: I think that the people I've spoken to, the middle

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Speaker 5: class voters that I've spoken to, feel that the Democratic

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Speaker 5: Party has abandoned them, that that's not the party of

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Speaker 5: their father and grandfather and the reason why they registered

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Speaker 5: in the Democratic Party to begin with, a person like Mondambie.

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Speaker 5: What he wants to do is socialize an entire city

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Speaker 5: and that will just grow. He gets money from all

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Speaker 5: over the country's sorrows, money to help him complete the

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Speaker 5: mission of taking away our American freedoms and our.

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Speaker 4: Way of life. Just one of his initiatives, which is to.

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Speaker 5: Own or have government own all of the mom and

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Speaker 5: pop shops, is just install grocery stores. I mean, are

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Speaker 5: we now turning into a communist country? A communist These

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Speaker 5: people save their money, They came from other countries legally,

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Speaker 5: they saved their money, they went into business. That is

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Speaker 5: what they have. That's their piece of Americana. And you

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Speaker 5: want to just take that from them. No, we're not

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Speaker 5: ready for that. We're not ready for him. And I

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Speaker 5: don't believe that that there are enough DSA members to

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Speaker 5: take him over the finish line.

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Speaker 4: I don't care.

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Speaker 5: How he pretends to be everything to all people. Donald

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Speaker 5: Trump woke up the voters and they are very aware

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Speaker 5: of who's running and what they stand for.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, DSAY is Democrats socials of America. And I

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Speaker 1: brought this up to Harry for a lot of and

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Speaker 1: a lot of ethnic neighborhoods and a lot of Chinese neighbors.

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Speaker 1: For example, you have Chinese curative food stores that are

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Speaker 1: just specifically heavily for the foods that they like. There's

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Speaker 1: a lot of bodegas that are owned by Latinos. I

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Speaker 1: believe bodegas would.

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Speaker 2: Fall under grocery stores.

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Speaker 1: They sell enough produce I guess to be a grocery

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Speaker 1: store that would have devastating effects for Latinos and Asians

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Speaker 1: in our city. Not alone everybody else, but specifically small

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Speaker 1: business owners who own those types of stores.

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Speaker 5: Where about less government, not more government. We want people

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Speaker 5: to come here year, open up businesses and succeed, just

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Speaker 5: like my grandparents did when they came in from Italy.

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Speaker 4: So this is what we want. We don't want to

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Speaker 4: take away their rights.

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Speaker 5: What's next We'll have ticket books to say, oh, we

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Speaker 5: can buy bread today or we can buy eggs.

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Speaker 4: The next day.

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Speaker 5: This is just ridiculous. This is communism. It's it's not socialism.

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Speaker 4: This is it. It's terrible, it's Marxism. I can go

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Speaker 4: on and on.

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Speaker 1: Right, Well, there's so, and I brought this to my listeners.

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Speaker 1: There is now in the democratic and the general election

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Speaker 1: for mayor, there is a situation where we're going to

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Speaker 1: have former attorney Attorney General assistant turn in General Walden,

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Speaker 1: You'll have Eric Adams running as both independents, and you

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Speaker 1: will have a Democrat. And if Andrew Cuomo, who is

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Speaker 1: still likely to win the primary if he is the

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Speaker 1: Democratic nominee, the Working Family Party has said they will

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Speaker 1: put up their own candidate. So there's a potential of

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Speaker 1: having four Democratic candidates for different Democratic leaning candidates versus

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Speaker 1: Curtis Leewaw in such an environment where the Democratic vote

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Speaker 1: could be split four different ways. Is there any chance

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Speaker 1: for Curtis to win the mayoral election, which everyone sees

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Speaker 1: is a very big long shot.

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Speaker 4: It isn't a long shot.

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Speaker 5: It is very feasible why he got thirty three percent

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Speaker 5: or so in in his race head to head against

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Speaker 5: Eric Adams last time out. Now you named the institutional candidates,

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Speaker 5: We've just had an onslaught of independent candidates that filed

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Speaker 5: with the Board of Elections that we won't know how

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Speaker 5: many of them have been certified or not, so we

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Speaker 5: don't know how many are going into the general election.

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Speaker 5: That lessens the percentage needed. And I think that when

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Speaker 5: people look and see what the field of candidates are

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Speaker 5: and what they've done. When you have a proven record

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Speaker 5: that hasn't hasn't succeeded, like Andrew Pomo and like Eric Adams,

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Speaker 5: or the threat of becoming a communist city with Zoram

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Speaker 5: being our mayor, people are starting to look at at Curtis.

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Speaker 5: Curtis has been out there for over thirty years. His

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Speaker 5: message has not changed. He has not changed.

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Speaker 4: He wants to set this city right.

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Speaker 5: And the only way to really do it, whether you

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Speaker 5: believe in him or not, is the only way to

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Speaker 5: make change is to have change. And the only difference

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Speaker 5: of everyone who's on that list that's different is Curtis Leewa.

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Speaker 5: And if we want change, we're going to have to

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Speaker 5: make that change at the voting booth right.

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Speaker 1: And I mean I have I have seen Curtis Lee

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Speaker 1: well I don't know how many times, and just not

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Speaker 1: a Republican. It's just out and about he does. He does.

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Speaker 1: He is doing the old fashioned campaigning. When you look

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Speaker 1: at what so he ran for those listeners don't know

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Speaker 1: he ran in twenty twenty one, he got I think

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Speaker 1: twenty seven point five twenty eight percent. He did slightly

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Speaker 1: better than Nicole Mally talkers whos now is a congressman,

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Speaker 1: but she ran for mayor four years.

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Speaker 2: Prior to that.

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Speaker 1: They had very similar results. But it's very interesting Curtis

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Speaker 1: did substantially bet are in the Bronx Queens in Brooklyn

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Speaker 1: and worse in Manhattan and Queens especially which you represent from.

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Speaker 1: There is a real chance in Queens like there has

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Speaker 1: never been before my home home county, Donald Trump's home

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Speaker 1: county where you have a where you're seeing political realignment

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Speaker 1: happen in real time with the Asian community, with some

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Speaker 1: Southeast Asians looking into the future, which no one has

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Speaker 1: a crystal ball, but if these trends continue, is there

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Speaker 1: a chance that we could see a Queen's county one

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Speaker 1: day that has a Republican Congressman that has you know,

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Speaker 1: Republican the state senators and say some ofment again, you know,

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Speaker 1: is that a real possibility as we are progressing down

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Speaker 1: this path?

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Speaker 5: It is an absolute possibility because even if you take

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Speaker 5: into consideration not just the Latinos and the Asians, if

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Speaker 5: you look at the African American community who have taken

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Speaker 5: flight from this city and moved to the Carolinas, Georgia

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Speaker 5: and any of state that they feel safer and you know,

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Speaker 5: I ran for Borough president in twenty twenty, as you know, Ryan,

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Speaker 5: and you know that. And I came into the race

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Speaker 5: late where we were out numbered eight to one in

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Speaker 5: registration Democrats to Republican and I was unsuccessful. However, I

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Speaker 5: was unsuccessful in a two to one. The ratio was

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Speaker 5: reduced to two to one. And where do those votes

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Speaker 5: come from? In the areas of the African American population,

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Speaker 5: where they're saying, we don't want less police, we want

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Speaker 5: more police. We don't want more guns on the street,

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Speaker 5: we want less guns on the street. We don't want

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Speaker 5: criminals on the street, we want them behind bars. They

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Speaker 5: have the very same ideology that we do, but they

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Speaker 5: never knew they had a chance. So now it's up

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Speaker 5: to the Republicans to make sure that we do enough

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Speaker 5: outreach to those demographics Asian, the African American, and the

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Speaker 5: South Asian and the Latino community so that they know

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Speaker 5: that we're here, they know.

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Speaker 4: That we have candidates.

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Speaker 5: People are leary to donate money to Republicans because they

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Speaker 5: don't think that that money is well spent. It is

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Speaker 5: well spent, and it would mean the difference between your

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Speaker 5: life changing for the better or worse.

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Speaker 1: Right and also be the difference of New York State.

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Speaker 1: There is no longer a blue Queen's county. There is

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Speaker 1: no longer a guarantee that the governorship or the Senate

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Speaker 1: seats remain blue either. I mean, the change is going

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Speaker 1: to come from New York City. It's not going to

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Speaker 1: come from upstate. Long Island has changed radically. That an

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Speaker 1: Island has changed radically, But New York City is really

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Speaker 1: where it's happening. It's happening, it's the change. The voter

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Speaker 1: shift is the reason that New York State moved eleven points.

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Speaker 1: The biggest right wing shift of any state in the

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Speaker 1: entire country is because of New York City. And I

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Speaker 1: don't think that's appreciated enough.

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Speaker 2: Becuns.

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Speaker 1: One last question for you before you have to go,

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Speaker 1: what is the goal of the New York City Council

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Speaker 1: Republican Party? And you have a larger thing called the

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Speaker 1: Common Sense caugnis, which includes conservative Democrats. Two, when it

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Speaker 1: comes to working into legislation with a mayor, if you're

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Speaker 1: a minority, I think people don't appreciate how an effect

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Speaker 1: a minority can change the path that a city takes.

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Speaker 2: Path and depardon.

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Speaker 5: Right now, we're at eight in the Common Sense Caucus. Well,

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Speaker 5: actually we're seven because we had Kalman Jaeger went to

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Speaker 5: the Assembly. But we are considered a voting block now,

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Speaker 5: and we do have leverage when we speak with the

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Speaker 5: mayor's office, when we speak with the with the Speaker's office,

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Speaker 5: and we put our legislation forward, and if it's common

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Speaker 5: sense legislation, you'd be surprised how many members who are

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Speaker 5: historically progressive but found out that from the DSA, the

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Speaker 5: Democratic Socialists of America, that they were just not progressive enough.

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Speaker 5: So they've gone further towards moderation. And so they're now

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Speaker 5: signing onto our bills, they're signing onto our letters. They're

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Speaker 5: seeing out perspective and in kind, we're doing the same

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Speaker 5: with them. If it is a common sense letter or

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Speaker 5: a common sense legislation, we ie on and support it.

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Speaker 1: That's great, Well, counselmen, where can people go to find

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Speaker 1: more of your information about what you do about the

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Speaker 1: Republicans running for your I mean the Republicans the City

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Speaker 1: Council and supporting Republicans running in New York City.

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Speaker 5: So of course it's all online. Campaign Finance has a

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Speaker 5: website for all of the candidates. In my particular case,

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Speaker 5: I'm on all forms of social media and I.

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Speaker 2: Have the address Counselman, So there are.

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Speaker 5: So many, So it's counsel women, Joane Ariola, Joe and

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Speaker 5: Ariola for New York Council, New York City Council. And

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Speaker 5: then we have Twitter which is at Joe and Ariola

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Speaker 5: thirty two and Instagram which is at Joe and Ariola

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Speaker 5: thirty two. So you can get me that way, or

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Speaker 5: you can just call the office at seven eight three

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Speaker 5: eight one zero A three will help anybody.

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Speaker 1: You know the National podcast, So I don't know if

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Speaker 1: they're calling, but thank you so much, Thank you so much, pleasure.

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Speaker 1: It was so great and let's see what happens later

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Speaker 1: on this month.

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Speaker 4: It's always great to see you.

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Speaker 1: You're listening to It's a numbers game with Ryan Grodsky.

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Speaker 2: We'll be right back.

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Speaker 1: Okay, that was great and it was super interesting seeing

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Speaker 1: both sides of the parties that they're in talk. We'll

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Speaker 1: see what happens in New York in the month, but

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Speaker 1: I'm super excited with this. Now for the Ask Me

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Speaker 1: Anything segment, you could be part of the Ask Me

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Speaker 1: Anything segment if you email Ryan at numbers gamepodcast dot com.

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Speaker 1: That's ryanat numbers Plural gamepodcast dot com. I'll take questions

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Speaker 1: on anything. I want to get back to Russell's questions

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Speaker 1: from last week, because he asked me a really important question.

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Speaker 1: I didn't have I think the best answer for it.

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Speaker 1: So he asked, Democrats have a smug elitist problem and

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Speaker 1: do Republicans' independence know how democrats think can see the world. Okay, First,

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Speaker 1: on the smug problem, I was able to find the

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Speaker 1: date on this. In twenty twenty four, you Go found

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Speaker 1: that thirty one percent of Americans so that Democrats were

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Speaker 1: out of touch in terms of their association with elitism.

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Speaker 1: The perception was highest among Republicans. Fifty three percent of

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Speaker 1: Republicans sat there and said that Democrats were smug and

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Speaker 1: elite among An NBC poll from twenty twenty five the

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Speaker 1: following year obviously said that thirty eight percent of adults

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Speaker 1: find that neither major political party fights for them, and

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Speaker 1: that Democrats especially were disconnected and more tied to elitism.

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Speaker 1: This was especially felt among young voters and even among progressives. So, yeah,

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Speaker 1: there is an elitism a problem on the Democratic Party,

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Speaker 1: and the polls are showing it. Now for the question

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Speaker 1: of do Republicans and independents know how Democrats feel, that's

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Speaker 1: a great question because there is something called a perception gap,

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Speaker 1: and you see this in a number of polls. In

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty one, Democrats have shifted to the left right,

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Speaker 1: there was a significant shift. There were fifty one percent

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Speaker 1: identify as liberal now and versus twenty five percent back

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Speaker 1: in nineteen ninety four. So there has been a shift

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Speaker 1: to the left. But is a misperception given how people

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Speaker 1: feel about certain topics, certain issues, right, okay, So on

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Speaker 1: the issues that Republicans usually the Democrats have a uniform

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Speaker 1: belief like a ninety nine ninety five percent in open

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Speaker 1: borders or universal healthcare or welfare, in reality it is

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Speaker 1: much much smaller among those who identify as very liberal

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Speaker 1: to support those.

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Speaker 2: Kinds of things.

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Speaker 1: It's closer to twenty percent. So there is a misconception.

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Speaker 1: There is a misperception over individual issues. Now, they don't

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Speaker 1: consist synthactly the pull on all these issues. It's more

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Speaker 1: of an alignment of where they are as an ideology

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Speaker 1: based on very far left, very far progressive, and where

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Speaker 1: the party is. That's why you get these polls that

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Speaker 1: say do you support Trump's mass deportation, and something like

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Speaker 1: twenty percent or fifteen percent of Democrats will say yes.

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Speaker 1: When you take the word Trump out of the equation,

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Speaker 1: it bumps up to like thirty five percent. Because the

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Speaker 1: party is not as uniform as people think it is,

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Speaker 1: and that is that's also true of how Democrats think

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Speaker 1: of Republican simoquests think Republicans are much more to the

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Speaker 1: right than they actually are. That's a great question. Thank

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Speaker 1: you so much for asking it. I really appreciate these

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Speaker 1: kinds of questions, Russell and I hope to get your

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Speaker 1: questions soon on Thursday's episode. If you like this podcast,

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Speaker 1: please hit like and subscribe on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcast,

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Speaker 1: I really really appreciate all of you. Thank you so much.

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Speaker 1: We'll be back on Thursday.