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Speaker 1: You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. Oh, good morning, welcome in.

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Speaker 2: Here's we get your set for the ball buffet College

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Speaker 2: Football Playoff Action NFL Week eighteen. We got everything right

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Speaker 2: here and for starters. Look, we've had a good run

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Speaker 2: on countdown to kick off, but this is our breaking point.

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Speaker 2: I don't think we can be friends anymore. I really don't.

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Speaker 2: This is where it all crashes to a halt. Guys,

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Speaker 2: ladies who've.

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Speaker 3: Been enjoying this show so many it's been it's been fun.

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Speaker 3: I mean there's so many memories we could go back on.

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Speaker 3: But but yeah, this will be our last show as

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Speaker 3: Notre Dame takes on Penn State.

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Speaker 1: Who would have fuck it?

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Speaker 3: The semi finals of the College Football Playoffs round.

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Speaker 4: I can't believe we're here.

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Speaker 5: Crazy, pretty nice, just crazy. This is the only thing

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Speaker 5: I'll say before you start, Brian. Yeah, do you remember

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Speaker 5: Ace Rostein and Casino?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 5: I want an equal amount of blueberries in each muffin.

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Speaker 5: I want an equal equal amounts.

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Speaker 1: Do you know how long that's going to take? Yeah? Yeah, sure,

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Speaker 1: continue my friend? Okay, Well, yeah, fair enough.

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Speaker 2: I think that applies more to me because it's it's

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Speaker 2: two on one over I'm saying, you.

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Speaker 1: Are the host of the show, so you get to

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Speaker 1: lead that, you get to steer the ship.

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Speaker 2: Well that's true, Yeah, that's true. But for anybody who's like,

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Speaker 2: what are these knuckleheads talking about? You can't make this up.

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Speaker 2: You really can't. I am from South Bend, Indiana. It's

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Speaker 2: my hometown. I grew up going to Notre Dame campus

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Speaker 2: to just like bump into football players and get their

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Speaker 2: autographs when I was in like grade school, you know,

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Speaker 2: cool like. And then you've got Rich Ornberger who's a

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Speaker 2: Pence Date All American and Jared Smith is a Penn

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Speaker 2: State alum, and it's Notre Dame versus Penn State in

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Speaker 2: the College football Playoffs semi final. And think about the

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Speaker 2: histories of these schools, proud traditions, lean years in terms

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Speaker 2: of winning a national championship or being even being in

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Speaker 2: the mix. And here they are butting heads. You couldn't

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Speaker 2: You couldn't script this, ye.

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Speaker 5: Pick them too, like it it's a toss up, like

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Speaker 5: it's not like any any one team's got this like

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Speaker 5: decisive advantage either.

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Speaker 3: No, I mean, and as it should be when you

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Speaker 3: boil it down to the final four. Thank goodness, it

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Speaker 3: looks like that on paper. It really has on both

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Speaker 3: sides of this bracket, and we will talk about both

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Speaker 3: sides at some point. I don't know, but it really

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Speaker 3: does feel like a pretty even semi final here.

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Speaker 4: But yeah, everything you just said is right. It's historic.

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Speaker 3: I remember getting pretty lost in the moment the first

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Speaker 3: time I played against Notre Dame as at Penn State

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Speaker 3: Nidney Lyon, I went to South Bend, I was on campus.

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Speaker 4: That was Brady Quinn's year.

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Speaker 3: They had a receiver named Jeff Samarga who actually ended

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Speaker 3: up becoming a pretty talented starting pitcher in Major League Baseball.

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Speaker 3: But it was one of those moments in my football career.

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Speaker 4: My dad had.

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Speaker 3: This uh, he had this this uh saying and he

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Speaker 3: still says it every once in a while, but it

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Speaker 3: was more so when I was playing football. Uh, when

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Speaker 3: I left home. He was like, pick up a pebble.

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Speaker 3: Pick up a pebble. Every time you think you're doing

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Speaker 3: something that maybe in the moment, you know, it's just

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Speaker 3: another day at work for you.

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Speaker 4: You know what I mean.

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Speaker 3: Like, but like, but think think about your brother or me,

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Speaker 3: or your cousin or your friends who will never have

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Speaker 3: the opportunity that you have because he's like, I promise

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Speaker 3: you one day you're gonna look at that pocket full

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Speaker 3: of pebbles. You're gonna be like I did a bunch

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Speaker 3: of cool stuff. And I remember, you know, touchdown Jesus

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Speaker 3: walking the same field, you know where Rudy Rudiger, you know,

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Speaker 3: like the whole thing, like you know, you grow up

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Speaker 3: watching movies and you're like, I can't believe I'm doing

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Speaker 3: this right now. We got waxed by Notre Dame that day.

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Speaker 3: We got but we returned the favor and that we did,

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Speaker 4: It was a home. It was a home and home.

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Speaker 3: So Notre Dame had to come to Beaver Stadium and

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Speaker 3: we put the We put the beatdown on them on

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Speaker 3: a foggy evening the next year, which was a lot

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Speaker 3: of fun because it really did feel like all right.

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Speaker 3: We went out there and I do think a lot

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Speaker 3: and they beat us up pretty good. And Brady Quinn,

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Speaker 3: you know, for for in one of our Fox Sports

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Speaker 3: but he's a really talented college quarterback and he had

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Speaker 3: a good day that day. But I digress that matchup

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Speaker 3: that we were just discussing it. It really does feel

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Speaker 3: like two traditional football powers going up against each other

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Speaker 3: for a bite at the bigger apple that lays ahead.

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Speaker 4: Because it is. That's all this is, and that's that's

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Speaker 4: a ton of fun. I love this matchup so much.

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Speaker 5: When the universe opens a portal, you have no choice

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Speaker 5: but to step through it. That's how I feel about

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Speaker 5: this situation. First of all, you just mentioned Brady Quinn.

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Speaker 5: He does a show with another.

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Speaker 1: Penn State alone like you have it again. It's just

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Speaker 1: it's like this like.

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Speaker 5: Made for TV kind of like moment where we're all

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Speaker 5: kind of marching towards destiny. But we have both made

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Speaker 5: history rich both of us. Because you were on the

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Speaker 5: field during the Orange Bowl. I was in the stands.

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Speaker 5: That was the last time Penn State played in the

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Speaker 5: Orange Bowl January third, two thousand and six, the last

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Speaker 5: time Pence they played Notre Dame.

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Speaker 1: We both were in attendance.

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Speaker 5: You were obviously playing in the game, and obviously I

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Speaker 5: was a drunk kid in the stance watching back on

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Speaker 5: September eighth, o seven, So like it's just this crazy

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Speaker 5: been so long since Penn State has played in both

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Speaker 5: of these situations, an Orange Bowl and Notre Dame, and

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Speaker 5: we get to experience both on the same night. And

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Speaker 5: we have all of these cross work ties with people

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Speaker 5: that we work with that what de Penn State noted like,

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Speaker 5: it's just it really is one of those the universe

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Speaker 5: is just like kind of telling us like, Hey, this

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Speaker 5: is what's supposed to happen. And I don't know about

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Speaker 5: you guys, but I will one hundred percent be in

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Speaker 5: Miami next week.

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Speaker 1: Cannot wait.

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Speaker 5: I have family down there, so I'll be at the

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Speaker 5: you know, spend some time with some family as well

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Speaker 5: while also attending the game.

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Speaker 1: It's going to be a blast, this entire playoff.

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Speaker 5: I know the early part of it was a little

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Speaker 5: bit mushy, but I think we firmed up over the

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Speaker 5: last few days, right, Like the games have gotten really exciting.

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Speaker 5: We now have for elite programs. We're gonna have a

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Speaker 5: new national title, a new national champion that we haven't

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Speaker 1: Which is nice.

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Speaker 5: I think Ohio State was the last team that's ever

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Speaker 5: that's wanted in this group. Texas will also want it

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Speaker 5: during that Vince Young time, but it's it does feel

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Speaker 5: like we've arrived at the right destination, even though maybe

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Speaker 5: the road was a little bit rocky along the way.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's one of the broader things I think of

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Speaker 2: heading into the semi finals, and I wonder how much

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Speaker 2: you're gonna hear this, because I would expect to hear

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Speaker 2: it some as. There will be people that will say, well,

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Speaker 2: I mean, listen this Ohio State Texas game, whoever wins

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Speaker 2: that it's gonna win a national championship, and listen, that

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Speaker 2: very well might be the case. But I just want

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Speaker 2: to push back on the thought of whoever wins that game,

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Speaker 2: it's done, it's over with, it's decided.

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Speaker 1: Ohio State is.

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Speaker 2: On a roll right now and they very well could

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Speaker 2: win a national championship. But do you think that Texas

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Speaker 2: is just no chance, know how they win a game

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Speaker 2: that's just not true. What if Texas won, you think

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Speaker 2: Penn State or Notre Dame doesn't have a shot against Texas.

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Speaker 2: You think Penn State or Notre Dame has no shot

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Speaker 4: This is a team.

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Speaker 2: They look like a force now. A couple of games

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Speaker 2: ago they lost to Michigan. But I would push back

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Speaker 2: on the thought of, Hey, whoever wins this Ohio State

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Speaker 2: Texas game, that's it.

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Speaker 1: They're the champions.

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Speaker 2: I think you're gonna hear way more of no one's

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Speaker 1: And that might be true, but I think that.

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Speaker 2: Sometimes you can take it too far, as if it's

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Speaker 1: I just don't think that's the case.

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Speaker 3: I think fans and an analyst and opinion makers all

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Speaker 3: can be blinded with short memories sometimes, and it's nobody's fault.

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Speaker 4: I get it because it happens to me. Sometimes.

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Speaker 3: We're all human, We all err and that is one

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Speaker 3: we remember recency bias, and so you go and you

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Speaker 3: make bold assumptions about what's next based on what's happened recently.

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Speaker 3: But that's not how life works, you know, especially not

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Speaker 3: in football. I mean, it is a chess game played

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Speaker 3: There is no telling what's going to happen. Because it's

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Speaker 3: strike counterstrike, and it's a sixty minute battle. You have

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Speaker 3: even harder to determine outcomes. You can't tell me that

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Speaker 3: Penn State or Notre Dame doesn't have a chance against

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Speaker 3: Texas or Ohio State because those two teams on this

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Speaker 4: No doubt deserve to be here. They fought their ass

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Speaker 3: And don't get me wrong, I do feel like there

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Speaker 3: with Texas.

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Speaker 4: But don't count out Notre Dame.

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Speaker 3: Don't count out Penn State because it doesn't make sense

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Speaker 3: to Like you said, lowly, Michigan who's having a terrible

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Speaker 4: Teams in the country. If that makes sense, it's possible.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think the fact that they've already played each

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Speaker 5: other this year makes it possible. It was a close game,

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Speaker 5: and I know Penn State kind of got bullied in

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Speaker 5: the second half of that game. Yeah, but it was

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Speaker 5: still a one score game and Penn State did not

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Speaker 5: look nearly as overmatched against Ohio State as Oregon did.

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Speaker 5: And to be fair, Oregon looked overwhelming for Penn State

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Speaker 5: offensively for most of that game in the Big Ten Championships.

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Speaker 5: So again, it's like the cross permutation, you know, the

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Speaker 5: law of whatever law you want to talk.

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Speaker 1: About out you know, the transitive property. This team beats

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Speaker 5: I think the fact that it's a conference matchup with

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Speaker 5: Lions live now. The buck guys have owned this, this rivalry,

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Speaker 5: this this Big Ten matchup for a long time. If

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Speaker 5: it's Texas, then yeah, I think either in Penn State

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Speaker 1: They played, they played okay, they were running the ball well,

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Speaker 5: They were throwing it well, they couldn't run it and

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Speaker 5: But my vibe says whoever gets whoever comes out healthiest

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Speaker 2: You made me think about that regular season game between

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Speaker 2: So you've got Texas surviving against Arizona State, and then

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Speaker 2: game so far of the playoff, in one of the

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Speaker 2: look like Texas was gonna win easily.

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Speaker 1: They're up twenty four to eight.

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Speaker 2: Looked like they were going to cover the spread easily,

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Speaker 3: It was a wild ride, and I think the emotional

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Speaker 4: It's a possibility. I mean. Now, don't get me wrong.

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Speaker 3: Talking about the College Football Playoffs semi final, anybody's gonna

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I wasn't really impressed with Arizona State's atticct and

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Speaker 1: The halfback option pass to Scatabo. If you watch the throw, it's.

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Speaker 5: Arizona State had more explosive plays, they had fewer turnovers,

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Speaker 5: Arizona State should have won that game and the fourth

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Speaker 1: And I think that is you got to fix it.

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Speaker 5: Like if you're Sark, there's no way that you look

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Speaker 2: I don't know how and I know Texas fans don't

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Speaker 1: If that's not targeting, nothing's targeting.

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Speaker 2: Then we don't have targeting in college I don't know

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Speaker 1: It checks every box.

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Speaker 7: I don't even think it's a matter of if it's

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Speaker 1: Time and score. Is why they didn't throw it.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think they thought it was going to decide

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Speaker 7: But it also you could argue that not calling it

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Speaker 7: That's that's the nightmare of these swallow the whistle arguments.

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Speaker 1: They definitely swallowed the whistle. It's like deep in the intestines, man. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I actually think that Chris, if it were opposite, I

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Speaker 4: That's the tricky thing.

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Speaker 3: some of those are even difficult to call. But I

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Speaker 3: mean we're talking about holding or pass interference or targeting.

441
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Speaker 4: All of these are highly subjective.

442
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Speaker 3: Now subjectively, I think the mass majority of people who

443
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Speaker 3: watch this game or saw the clips of that play

444
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Speaker 3: would agree it's targeting. But what I have thrown that flag?

445
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Speaker 3: I mean, when I really think about being in that

446
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Speaker 3: game as an official, thinking about whether or not I

447
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Speaker 3: pull the flag from my pocket, and I'm the reason

448
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Speaker 3: why this game turns out differently, do I throw that flag?

449
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Speaker 4: Well?

450
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Speaker 5: Correct me if I'm wrong. How isn't a booth review

451
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Speaker 5: to it was that they reviewed it and they still

452
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Speaker 5: didn't call it. They still no, but it was like

453
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Speaker 5: it wasn't called on the field. I think it was

454
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Speaker 5: like from the booth they said, hey, that might be targeting.

455
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Speaker 1: Well and they still and they reviewed and they still

456
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Speaker 1: said now we're good.

457
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Speaker 4: Yeah.

458
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Speaker 8: Yeah.

459
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Speaker 2: It was a strange, but it reminds me of the

460
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Speaker 2: Super Bowl between the Eagles and the Patriots where they

461
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Speaker 2: just changed the catch rule on the fly and it's.

462
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Speaker 1: Like, guys, we okay, cool. I guess I don't.

463
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Speaker 2: Know, Like, yeah, we have this standard rule the whole time,

464
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Speaker 2: and then in the Super Bowl it just gets changed.

465
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Speaker 2: And the same thing with targeting and college football. We've

466
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Speaker 2: had a whole season. Listen, we could get into the

467
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Speaker 2: whole nuts and bolts of it. I think that the

468
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Speaker 2: penalty is way too harsh for targeting in college football.

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Speaker 4: Agreed.

470
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Speaker 2: Where this happens in the first half, gone you're ejected.

471
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Speaker 2: It happens in the second half, you're ejected, and you

472
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Speaker 2: missed the first half of the next game. I think

473
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Speaker 2: that's way too heavy handed, but this is what it is,

474
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Speaker 2: and it might not have been easy to make that call,

475
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Speaker 2: but it's obvious that's what it was, and that's your

476
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Speaker 2: job to call it.

477
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Speaker 1: I'll put it this way.

478
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Speaker 2: If that's obviously, Arizona State fans are upset, and rightfully so.

479
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Speaker 2: If the shoes on the other foot, you don't think

480
00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:18,520
Speaker 2: Texas fans are like, bro, what are we doing here?

481
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Speaker 2: That's good targeting all day. So I don't know that

482
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Speaker 2: was an unfortunate one. But on the other side, again,

483
00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:30,720
Speaker 2: an equal amount of blueberries. The Ohio State Buckey's scary

484
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Speaker 2: player Ohio State wide receiver Jeremiah Smith.

485
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Speaker 1: This freaking guy.

486
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Speaker 2: What he did against Oregon seven catches for one hundred

487
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Speaker 2: and eighty seven yards and two touchdowns. In two playoff

488
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Speaker 2: games right against Oregon and Tennessee, Jeremiah Smith thirteen catches

489
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Speaker 2: for two hundred and ninety yards and four touchdowns. That's

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Speaker 2: what he's done in two games. It's insane. And I'll

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Speaker 2: say this too. As awesome as Jeremiah Smith was, I

492
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Speaker 2: think that he's taken so much focus that we're overlooking

493
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Speaker 2: how dominant Oregon. Ohio State's rush defense was against Oregon.

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Speaker 4: Have you seed?

495
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Speaker 1: Did you see what Oregon did on the ground?

496
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Speaker 2: How about twenty eight carries for negative twenty three yards?

497
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Speaker 1: Oh, I know, and a lot of.

498
00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:20,520
Speaker 2: That is sack yardage, and that's goofy and college football.

499
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Speaker 2: But Jordan James is a good running back before he

500
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Speaker 2: got hurt, seven carries for fourteen yards. Noah Whittington six

501
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Speaker 2: carries for three yards. Yeah, he did have at a touchdown,

502
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Speaker 2: but like Ohio State completely shut down the running game.

503
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Speaker 2: And oh, by the way, in this matchup, Texas couldn't

504
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Speaker 2: run the ball at all against Arizona State.

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Speaker 1: So you have to ask yourself.

506
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Speaker 2: If Texas can't run it against Arizona State, how effective

507
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Speaker 2: are they going to be on the ground against Ohio State?

508
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Speaker 4: Not very? I mean to be honest.

509
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Speaker 3: If Ohio State packs the same lunch they did against Oregon,

510
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Speaker 3: not very.

511
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Speaker 4: Jeremiah wasn't a bullfrog, he was a unicle.

512
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Speaker 3: He was incredible in that game. I mean in these

513
00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:10,240
Speaker 3: playoffs he is. He is the player right now that

514
00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:14,200
Speaker 3: every team has to have circled when when you look

515
00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:17,720
Speaker 3: at these four teams, he is him and Warren from

516
00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:21,959
Speaker 3: Penn State. Those two guys are the two pieces on

517
00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:25,560
Speaker 3: the chessboard that nobody really has put together a good

518
00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:28,120
Speaker 3: enough plan for so far this season.

519
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Speaker 4: It just it just they're they're unstoppable.

520
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Speaker 3: And I would have included camp Skataboo in this conversation

521
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Speaker 3: if you were still playing. He's unfortunately not. You know,

522
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Speaker 3: it's it's there are certain players who are just gonna

523
00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:42,920
Speaker 3: get theirs and then you just have to figure out

524
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Speaker 3: what to do around them. And so that's the task

525
00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:49,800
Speaker 3: against OSU. You have to live in the reality that

526
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Speaker 3: there are gonna be some explosives and you're gonna give

527
00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:56,119
Speaker 3: up some big plays to Jeremiah Smith. So how do

528
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Speaker 3: you respond to the rest of the game plan is

529
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Speaker 3: what will determine that how come of this game.

530
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Speaker 5: So part of my process after big games is I

531
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Speaker 5: go and I just I do a very simple, you know,

532
00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:10,439
Speaker 5: autopsy on the game. And the first thing I always

533
00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:13,400
Speaker 5: do is I grade yards per play, net yards per play?

534
00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:15,760
Speaker 5: How many more yards per play did you you gained

535
00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:18,040
Speaker 5: in the opponent And a lot of times that and

536
00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:20,240
Speaker 5: the success rate will kind of give you the answer

537
00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:23,040
Speaker 5: to why the game played out the way that it did.

538
00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:24,959
Speaker 1: I haven't done it for every game this year.

539
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:26,600
Speaker 5: I've only done it for some of the bigger games

540
00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:30,399
Speaker 5: because it's just so many freaking games. This is the

541
00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:34,080
Speaker 5: first game that I've seen this year, high profile where

542
00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:36,960
Speaker 5: there was almost a five yard difference in net yards

543
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:40,120
Speaker 5: per play. Well, Ohio State gained eight point seventy five

544
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:43,800
Speaker 5: yards per play, Oregon gained three point eight. Like, when

545
00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:46,680
Speaker 5: you're gaining half of a first down more per play

546
00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:52,000
Speaker 5: than the opposing team, it's it's domination. I mean, the

547
00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:54,320
Speaker 5: success rate wasn't that far off. Oregon did have some

548
00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:56,440
Speaker 5: success later in the game. They actually had more explosives

549
00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:58,600
Speaker 5: in the game. But the have it created by the

550
00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:01,200
Speaker 5: Ohio State defense. They had a havoc.

551
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:02,679
Speaker 1: Great in the game against Oregon's offense.

552
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:06,120
Speaker 5: That means on one out of every five plays, Ohio

553
00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:09,520
Speaker 5: State was in the backfield creating havoc. Like they were

554
00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:12,720
Speaker 5: just an unstoppable force on offense on defense. That was

555
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:16,440
Speaker 5: I think the and I know they played great against Tennessee.

556
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:20,119
Speaker 5: It wasn't dis lopsided against Tennessee. This was the best

557
00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:24,080
Speaker 5: game any one team has played. This is the best

558
00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:28,560
Speaker 5: data point I think that I can tell you that

559
00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:30,320
Speaker 5: happened in college football. This year, Like, I don't think

560
00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:33,080
Speaker 5: there was a team that played better against an opponent

561
00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:36,680
Speaker 5: considering the opponent Like Tennessee was down, their defense was banged.

562
00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:38,400
Speaker 1: Up, they were on the road, they were freshman quarterback.

563
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:43,680
Speaker 5: Like this was neutral site, best on best, everyone's healthy,

564
00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:47,960
Speaker 5: and Ohio State just absolutely got like it was so

565
00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:48,760
Speaker 5: one sided.

566
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Speaker 1: I think it was the most one sided game of

567
00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:55,040
Speaker 1: the year. Yeah it was. It was pretty crazy, man,

568
00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:58,160
Speaker 1: There's no doubt it was. And that's the thing.

569
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Speaker 2: There been so many overreactions in the college football Playoff

570
00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:05,960
Speaker 2: where remember going back to Week one, well the first

571
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:09,160
Speaker 2: week of the playoff, and it was just like you

572
00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:12,160
Speaker 2: had to just beat downs chalk. Every home team won

573
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:14,080
Speaker 2: and it was like the committee screwed this up. They

574
00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:17,640
Speaker 2: got the wrong teams in here. And then after this

575
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:21,320
Speaker 2: last week, it was every team that had to buy

576
00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:24,280
Speaker 2: lost every one of them, zero for four.

577
00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:27,800
Speaker 1: And some of the reaction was like is a bye

578
00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:28,600
Speaker 1: a bad thing?

579
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:33,960
Speaker 2: And look, man, I think everything is explainable. Really accept

580
00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:38,040
Speaker 2: the Ohio State win, like Jared said, just how dominant

581
00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:38,760
Speaker 2: it was.

582
00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:43,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, but this is this is year one.

583
00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:47,640
Speaker 2: Of a twelve team playoff, Like this idea that you

584
00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:50,920
Speaker 2: know the committee is going to just screw it up

585
00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:54,440
Speaker 2: going forward, getting the wrong teams in and all these

586
00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:57,040
Speaker 2: teams that have a bye week, they're kind of screwed

587
00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:01,040
Speaker 2: because they're rusty. Come on, I think we're taking that

588
00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:04,840
Speaker 2: way too far if you go through them, like Penn

589
00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:07,200
Speaker 2: State beat Boise State, is that shocking?

590
00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:07,880
Speaker 4: No?

591
00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:13,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, Notre Dame beat Georgia that that game was like

592
00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:16,520
Speaker 2: a coin toss game. Point spread wise, it's not shocking

593
00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:20,960
Speaker 2: Notre Dame won that. And then like the Texas Arizona

594
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:24,040
Speaker 2: State game that did every Arizona State's a double digit

595
00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:28,080
Speaker 2: like underdog here, it's not shocking they lost. I mean,

596
00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:30,720
Speaker 2: the game itself was wild how it played out, but

597
00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:34,959
Speaker 2: the only outlier was Ohio State crushing Oregon. This idea

598
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:36,160
Speaker 2: that buys are bad.

599
00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:38,680
Speaker 1: Guys. What are we doing? This is year one of

600
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Speaker 1: the playoff.

601
00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:42,200
Speaker 2: Let's just not overreact to the first thing we see

602
00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:44,040
Speaker 2: in every single week.

603
00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:44,640
Speaker 4: You know that.

604
00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:45,960
Speaker 1: That's what's happened so far.

605
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I completely agree with everything you just said. It's

606
00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:53,240
Speaker 3: like it's like saying, hey, it rained on Memorial Day

607
00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:54,000
Speaker 3: this year.

608
00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:56,960
Speaker 4: So that's it. Memorial Days are rainy.

609
00:30:57,160 --> 00:31:00,360
Speaker 3: I don't know why anybody I hit that Memorial Days

610
00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:01,640
Speaker 3: are good barbecue days.

611
00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:03,240
Speaker 4: Who wants to barbecue in the rain.

612
00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:06,960
Speaker 3: We need to build a gazebo over the grill. Nobody

613
00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:10,800
Speaker 3: wants to be outside when it's raining. I mean ridiculous.

614
00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:13,960
Speaker 3: Memorial Day is a terrible grilling day. Well, no, no, no,

615
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:17,640
Speaker 3: Hang on a second, are you sure the problem is

616
00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:20,360
Speaker 3: where this is placed on the calendar? Are you sure

617
00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:24,080
Speaker 3: it's not because you don't have enough information. Maybe maybe

618
00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:27,080
Speaker 3: wait a couple more years and see how the other

619
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:30,640
Speaker 3: Memorial Days pan out before you say that Memorial Days

620
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:32,920
Speaker 3: a bad barbecue day, before you get all hot and

621
00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:36,680
Speaker 3: bothered about this. But nobody wants to wait. Everybody wants

622
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:39,640
Speaker 3: to rush to judgment. I shouldn't say everybody. There are

623
00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:42,840
Speaker 3: reasonable voices out there, but we know which voice is

624
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:48,280
Speaker 3: cut through. It's the most inflammatory, most offended, most insulted

625
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:53,280
Speaker 3: voices who have the biggest platform, who talk the loudest. Okay,

626
00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:57,160
Speaker 3: but let's be real. Let's be realistic about this. This

627
00:31:57,400 --> 00:32:01,400
Speaker 3: is the best way so far that the Committee or

628
00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:04,480
Speaker 3: College Football or NC double A has found to come

629
00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:08,400
Speaker 3: up with a national champion. And there's really no arguing.

630
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:10,600
Speaker 4: That so far this is the best way.

631
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:15,280
Speaker 3: Because you are giving twelve teams a realistic chance in

632
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:18,280
Speaker 3: single elimination to fight their way to the top of

633
00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:18,800
Speaker 3: the mountain.

634
00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:22,240
Speaker 4: I get it. The bye weeks are weird. I get it.

635
00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:27,160
Speaker 4: Maybe the postseason should be reseeded. I get it. It's imperfect,

636
00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:29,160
Speaker 4: but it's the best we've seen.

637
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:32,000
Speaker 3: So what you're gonna say, because you only got three

638
00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:35,480
Speaker 3: blueberry muffins in this muffin versus the other muffin that

639
00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:38,920
Speaker 3: has seen the blueberries, you're telling me that that's not still

640
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:39,720
Speaker 3: a good muffin.

641
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:41,280
Speaker 4: It's a good muffin.

642
00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:43,160
Speaker 1: We need equal amount.

643
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:43,640
Speaker 4: That's Bobby.

644
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:45,480
Speaker 1: I mean, you guys do know what I'm talking about.

645
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:47,200
Speaker 1: That it's my fate. That is the best city.

646
00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:50,680
Speaker 5: It's a great any movie the audience needs to go

647
00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:51,320
Speaker 5: see Cassina.

648
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:53,960
Speaker 1: That's your favorite movie. That's at the top, jaredor.

649
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:55,960
Speaker 5: I really think it's in the top. It's Caddy Shacks

650
00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:56,800
Speaker 5: up there, but it's not.

651
00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:59,160
Speaker 1: I think Casino's number one. I know, I know, I

652
00:32:59,200 --> 00:32:59,520
Speaker 1: know we.

653
00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:02,720
Speaker 5: Would have completely Adding to the rivalry is our is

654
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:05,560
Speaker 5: our loathing of of our opinions of Caddy Shack.

655
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:10,720
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, Rich you a Caddyshack guy, huge Caddy Shock guy.

656
00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:12,800
Speaker 4: Of course, so the best movies of all time.

657
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:13,920
Speaker 1: Bride's Crazy, I love.

658
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:15,560
Speaker 4: I'm a huge Caddyshack fan.

659
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:20,280
Speaker 3: And and unfortunately, because I'm I'm such a dope that

660
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Speaker 3: like caddy Shack, probably makes my top five. The movie

661
00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:27,160
Speaker 3: Bad Bad Santa might make my top five movies.

662
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Speaker 1: Oh wow, that's an upset. That's the biggest upset of

663
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Speaker 1: the playoffs.

664
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:33,600
Speaker 3: Right yeah, right there, that's the sun devil sneaking into the.

665
00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:37,840
Speaker 2: I mean, wow, goodness. I thought the Penn State thing

666
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:38,960
Speaker 2: was gonna be tough.

667
00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:39,280
Speaker 1: To deal with.

668
00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:44,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is a new low rich head stayed all American.

669
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Speaker 2: We've got Jared Smith FSR betting analysts. They're both Caddyshack guys. Apparently,

670
00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:53,719
Speaker 2: you know, I'm Brian No, not a Caddyshack guy whatsoever.

671
00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:57,280
Speaker 1: But hey, you know, but you like Rodney Bankerfield though.

672
00:33:57,680 --> 00:34:00,760
Speaker 2: I love all the actors, love them, Love Rodney Dangerfield,

673
00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:04,840
Speaker 2: love Chevy Chase, love Bill Murray. Horrible movie, not even funny,

674
00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:08,320
Speaker 2: just bad Saturday Night Live scenes, one after another after another.

675
00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:08,880
Speaker 4: Oh there's a.

676
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:11,640
Speaker 2: Baby Ruth in the pool. Oh my gosh, it's so funny.

677
00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:14,240
Speaker 2: It's not funny at all. It sucks. Not good movie. Sorry,

678
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:17,600
Speaker 2: that's that's just me. Hit me up on X if

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Speaker 2: you want at the show. All right, coming up next,

680
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Speaker 2: the parlay pladder. We each have one selection. We pull

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Speaker 2: it together for a greater payout. That's on the way.

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Speaker 2: It is Fox Sports Radios Countdown to Kickoff, presented by BETMGM.

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Speaker 6: dot com and within the iHeartRadio app search FSR to

686
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Speaker 6: listen live.

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Speaker 2: It is Fox Sports Radios Countdown to Kickoff, presented by BETMGM.

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00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:50,160
Speaker 2: Every time you make a wager at BETMGM, you earn

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00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:53,520
Speaker 2: BETMGM Rewards points that can be redeemed for things like

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00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:57,080
Speaker 2: bonus bets or converted to MGM rewards points that can

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Speaker 2: be used towards dining shows and hotel rooms at over

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Speaker 2: twenty MGM resorts.

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Speaker 1: Har let's do this.

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Speaker 6: Check this out, ar late letter.

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Speaker 2: All right, Jared, we start with you. We each have

696
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Speaker 2: one selection, pull it together for a greater payout.

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Speaker 1: Where do you think, Oh, he forgot the most important thing.

698
00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:17,720
Speaker 1: It's Tonny time.

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00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:21,080
Speaker 4: It's Toudy time. All right.

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00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:23,360
Speaker 5: We're gonna go a little different with Tonty time. Today,

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00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:27,640
Speaker 5: it's incentive time. That is the beauty of week eighteen

702
00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:31,440
Speaker 5: in the NFL. I'll give you boys the option. Do

703
00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:35,480
Speaker 5: you want me to go super juicy or super safe conservative?

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00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:39,239
Speaker 4: No juice up?

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00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:42,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, we're juicing this baby up. Okay. Zach

706
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:44,840
Speaker 1: Ertz is having himself a season.

707
00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:49,040
Speaker 5: He is two touchdowns away from another massive bonus on

708
00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:51,719
Speaker 5: his contract. He actually caught two touchdowns last week. As

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00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:55,440
Speaker 5: I think, it's apparent to me that Washington really likes

710
00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:57,480
Speaker 5: zach Ertz. They have an owner that's willing to spend.

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00:35:57,480 --> 00:36:00,480
Speaker 5: That's an important part of the incentive process. Is the owner,

712
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:04,160
Speaker 5: is the coach? Are they players? Coaches players owners? Are

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00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:06,160
Speaker 5: they willing to spend? Are they willing to give this

714
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:09,000
Speaker 5: money to the player? At the end of this season,

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00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:11,840
Speaker 5: I think all of those boxes are checked for zach Ertz.

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00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:16,440
Speaker 5: He is a massive, massive dog to score a touchdown

717
00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:20,439
Speaker 5: in the game against the Cowboys tomorrow plus two ten. Again,

718
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:23,480
Speaker 5: he needs two touchdowns to hit the incentive. You can

719
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:25,799
Speaker 5: bet the two touchdown prop. It's like fifteen to one,

720
00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:28,680
Speaker 5: but we're gonna put for the purposes of the parlay,

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00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:32,200
Speaker 5: zach Ertz plus two ten. The first leg of the

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Speaker 5: Tudy time parlay platter today.

723
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Speaker 4: Ooh ooh, I like it a lot.

724
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:41,680
Speaker 3: All right, I'm gonna go with Michael Penix Junior. Touchdown

725
00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:44,240
Speaker 3: Michael Pennick Junior is what I like to call him.

726
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:44,520
Speaker 4: Now.

727
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:50,040
Speaker 3: He's only thrown for one over his start, but I

728
00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:51,360
Speaker 3: will say the other team is.

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Speaker 1: Still catchy deler touchdowns. Just one touchdown, that's all you need.

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00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:58,640
Speaker 3: It's Tonny time. All you need is one. No, I'm

731
00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:01,480
Speaker 3: really impressed with him. He gets the Commanders in a loss,

732
00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:05,640
Speaker 3: a close loss. He was on time with some outbreaking routes.

733
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:08,759
Speaker 3: He worked the middle of the field. He was pressured

734
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:12,719
Speaker 3: fourteen times, did not take a sack, which is it

735
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:16,360
Speaker 3: shows his acumen. It shows his ability to respond to

736
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:20,239
Speaker 3: pressure favorably. I like Michael Pennick Junior. I like the

737
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:23,680
Speaker 3: growth that we've seen. It's his third start. You're knocking

738
00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:26,160
Speaker 3: off some of the rusts from sitting on the sideline,

739
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:29,400
Speaker 3: and you're seeing the speed of the game against one

740
00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:33,000
Speaker 3: of the worst watch The Giants were pretty bad as well,

741
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:36,680
Speaker 3: but one of the worst defenses that he's faced over

742
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:39,480
Speaker 3: the course of his very short rookie season as a

743
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:42,799
Speaker 3: starter against Carolina Panthers here, So yeah, give me, give

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00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:44,279
Speaker 3: me Pennick Junior throwing for one.

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00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:48,480
Speaker 1: Okay, that's touchdown, Michael Pennock over and over one and

746
00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:49,840
Speaker 1: a half passing touchdowns.

747
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:51,880
Speaker 5: They count just the same. It's minus one ten at

748
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:54,120
Speaker 5: bet MGM. So he's got to throw two. But still okay,

749
00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:56,560
Speaker 5: he makes sense, absolutely makes sense.

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00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:59,879
Speaker 2: Okay, So same sort of question here, do you guys

751
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:04,040
Speaker 2: to go as close to a sure thing as possible

752
00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:06,239
Speaker 2: and you're paying at tax for it?

753
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:07,879
Speaker 1: Or do you want plus money?

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00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:09,960
Speaker 4: Wick? I know where your head's at here.

755
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:11,960
Speaker 5: If it's Derrick Henry, I can tell you right now

756
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:15,279
Speaker 5: that the three of us with these combined legs, it's

757
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:17,040
Speaker 5: not a bad payout if you throw Henry into.

758
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Speaker 1: Okay, let's do this.

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00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:22,239
Speaker 2: I'll give you my non Derrick Henry selection and then

760
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:24,320
Speaker 2: maybe we just add Derrick Henry.

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00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:26,799
Speaker 4: Yeah, why not?

762
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:32,920
Speaker 1: Screw it? Listen, man, it could not be more square.

763
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:36,759
Speaker 2: But again, I think a good bet is if it

764
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:39,200
Speaker 2: doesn't hit you shrug your shoulders and say, I'm not

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00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:39,960
Speaker 2: even mad.

766
00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:41,960
Speaker 1: You know, I'm not even mad. I thought that was

767
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:43,160
Speaker 1: a really really good bet.

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00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:46,400
Speaker 2: It's Ohio state wide receiver Jeremiah Smith.

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00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:49,200
Speaker 1: It's almost even money.

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Speaker 2: It's minus one fifteen, you know, and he scored four

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00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:57,280
Speaker 2: touchdowns already in two playoff games Texas.

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Speaker 1: Could he score against Texas? Absolutely?

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00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:04,680
Speaker 2: Ohio State's gonna score a fair amount of points in

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Speaker 2: this game, and so I would go with him and listen,

775
00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:13,640
Speaker 2: Dereck Henry. Derrick Henry has had a sensational season. He's

776
00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:16,200
Speaker 2: gonna earn half a million dollars if he scores a

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00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:22,799
Speaker 2: touchdown today. They're giving him the rock, okay, like they're

778
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:25,960
Speaker 2: rewarding him for being such a beast this season. There's

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Speaker 2: almost no way he doesn't get repeated chances to score,

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00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:30,479
Speaker 2: and I think he will.

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00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:31,800
Speaker 4: Wow.

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00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:34,800
Speaker 5: I like Joe Pennix over one and a half passing touchdowns,

783
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:38,680
Speaker 5: Erz to score, Henry to score, Jeremiah Smith to score.

784
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:42,200
Speaker 1: It's fifteen to one at that. MGM, that's pretty nice

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00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:43,000
Speaker 1: right there.

786
00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:43,359
Speaker 4: All right?

787
00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:45,880
Speaker 1: Coming up next scenario City.

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Speaker 2: This is my absolute favorite NFL playoff scenario.

789
00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:53,560
Speaker 1: Oh what is going on? Welcome in here.

790
00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:58,600
Speaker 2: We've got college football playoff action, We've got NFL Week

791
00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:02,680
Speaker 2: eighteen to get, We've got Seamus McGee this hour too,

792
00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:08,240
Speaker 2: looking forward to that. So scenarios here, we've got NFL incentives,

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Speaker 2: we'll get to that here momentarily. And NFL clinching scenarios,

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Speaker 2: This is my favorite one by far.

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Speaker 1: Get this.

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00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:22,160
Speaker 2: The Vikings and the Lions. They play on Sunday Night football. Right,

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00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:27,640
Speaker 2: if that game is somehow a tie, the Lions would

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Speaker 2: win the division. Thinks to beating the forty nine ers

799
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Speaker 2: last week. It's my favorite twist ever, right, like I listen,

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Speaker 2: we can get into it.

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00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:40,239
Speaker 1: I thought that it wasn't a great decision.

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00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:43,560
Speaker 2: With a banged up team to risk further injury and

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Speaker 2: go out there and play an entire game.

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00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:48,719
Speaker 1: Now you're on a short week if you're the Lions.

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00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:55,040
Speaker 2: But they escaped injury, and if somehow doing that benefited them.

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00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:58,120
Speaker 2: Where in a tie in Sunday Night the Lions win

807
00:40:58,200 --> 00:40:58,760
Speaker 2: the division?

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00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:01,200
Speaker 1: That would be the twist of twists right there.

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00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:03,399
Speaker 2: I would love to hear what people had to say

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00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:04,439
Speaker 2: if that were to play out.

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Speaker 4: Well.

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00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:09,279
Speaker 3: I loved the decision for Dan Campbell to play as

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00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:13,640
Speaker 3: guys kind of for that reason, because you know that

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Speaker 3: there would have been negativity slung his way in the

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Speaker 3: opposite direction if somehow the Vikings found a way or

816
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:24,000
Speaker 3: this game, I shouldn't say the Vikings. Vikings are a

817
00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:26,759
Speaker 3: good team, but this game somehow ended in a tie

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00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:30,400
Speaker 3: where then there would be second guessing. People would be

819
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:33,879
Speaker 3: at the podium asking Dan, hey, were you aware that

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00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:36,840
Speaker 3: there was this clinching scenario last week when you decided

821
00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:39,200
Speaker 3: to rest all your starters and then all of the

822
00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:42,480
Speaker 3: boo birds in Detroit, who now they've gone away for

823
00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:45,600
Speaker 3: the most part, they've migrated south, but they may come

824
00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:50,200
Speaker 3: back north the boo for the winner because they're used

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Speaker 3: to it. There's been a lot to boo in Detroit

826
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Speaker 3: over the years. But I digress. I mean, this is

827
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Speaker 3: a different era, this is a different it's a different

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Speaker 3: attitude coming out of Detroit, Dan Campbell. It's kind of

829
00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:09,960
Speaker 3: like this relentless punch in the face that I mean,

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Speaker 3: I love it. I can't I can't get enough Dan Campbell.

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Speaker 3: I can't get enough of the Detroit Lions. I think

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00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:21,080
Speaker 3: that this is the type of team that, even kind

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00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:24,359
Speaker 3: of banged up heading into the postseason, still is one

834
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Speaker 3: of the more dangerous teams in the field.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:32,839
Speaker 5: I think they are who they are, and that's they

837
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:34,200
Speaker 5: stay true to theirselves.

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00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:35,759
Speaker 1: They stay true to their identity.

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Speaker 5: And I give Dan credit, like after the game, he

840
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:43,320
Speaker 5: did kind of maya culpa or at least explain his process.

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00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:46,680
Speaker 5: And I respect that because he did not owe that

842
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:48,279
Speaker 5: explanation to any of us.

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00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:51,040
Speaker 1: He could have just said this is what we do,

844
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Speaker 1: but he went into detail.

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00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:55,759
Speaker 5: He's like, first of all, I've heard a lot of

846
00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:58,960
Speaker 5: discourse about this with from coaches. You know, all the

847
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:01,040
Speaker 5: coaches all have their own po podcast, all do so,

848
00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:02,880
Speaker 5: like they all get asked about this stuff.

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00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:04,759
Speaker 1: You saw Harball get asked about this.

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00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:07,520
Speaker 5: Jim Harball, Chargers coach this week and he did a

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00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:09,840
Speaker 5: podcast with Belichick or maybe it was last week.

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00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:10,880
Speaker 1: And he's like, what am I supposed to do?

853
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:14,239
Speaker 5: There's only you know, six backups or you know, six

854
00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:17,880
Speaker 5: extra roster spots. I can't bench everybody, like, I've got

855
00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:20,840
Speaker 5: to play guys. And then the next part of that,

856
00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:23,920
Speaker 5: from Dan Campbell's perspective, was we prepared like this.

857
00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:25,680
Speaker 1: Was going to be a game that we were gonna play.

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00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:28,279
Speaker 5: We brought our guys out here, everything, we went through

859
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:32,640
Speaker 5: the process of playing this game to the utmost degree.

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00:43:32,680 --> 00:43:35,319
Speaker 5: And then you have this revenge factor. It was important

861
00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:38,680
Speaker 5: to this Lions team to win this game. It was

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00:43:38,719 --> 00:43:40,920
Speaker 5: important to them, and whether or not it matters to

863
00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:44,440
Speaker 5: the playoff seedings. It was important to the fabric of

864
00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:48,439
Speaker 5: that team to go to San Francisco Santa Clara.

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Speaker 1: And give their best effort.

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Speaker 5: And I think that's important because if they would have

867
00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:58,279
Speaker 5: benched people and they would have gotten blown out or

868
00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:01,759
Speaker 5: whatever bad outcome would have happen, they would have gone

869
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:04,040
Speaker 5: into their most important game knowing they didn't.

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Speaker 1: Leave their best stuff on the field.

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00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:08,480
Speaker 5: And yet you're obviously making a writ like obviously it's

872
00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:12,000
Speaker 5: a risk. Obviously you risk or getting Jared Goff, Jamier

873
00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:14,440
Speaker 5: Gibbs Moore. So is the most important piece there, I

874
00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:16,759
Speaker 5: think because they just don't have any backup running backs

875
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:17,879
Speaker 5: now that Montgomery is hurt.

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00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:19,719
Speaker 1: But this is just who they are.

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00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:23,000
Speaker 5: Like anyone getting mad at Dan Campbell like this is

878
00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:25,120
Speaker 5: you're getting mad. That's like getting mad at the sky

879
00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:28,399
Speaker 5: for being blue. That's just who the Lions are.

880
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:29,920
Speaker 1: I hear all of that.

881
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:35,799
Speaker 2: I just think the counter to all of that is, look, man,

882
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:38,000
Speaker 2: I look at Dan Campbell.

883
00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:38,640
Speaker 1: He's a guy.

884
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:41,960
Speaker 2: If he's a Texas Holden player, he's going all in

885
00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:44,839
Speaker 2: way more than he needs to. He's going all in

886
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:48,000
Speaker 2: when the odds are not in his favor. And it's

887
00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:50,240
Speaker 2: like if you sit it down at the poker table,

888
00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:54,400
Speaker 2: and you're just aggressive constantly you're not gonna win, that

889
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:57,240
Speaker 2: you're not gonna win, And you could argue that Texas

890
00:44:57,320 --> 00:45:00,640
Speaker 2: hold him is not the same as the NF. Oh okay,

891
00:45:00,719 --> 00:45:05,279
Speaker 2: I hear you, But aggressiveness and over aggressiveness is what

892
00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:08,160
Speaker 2: I'm getting to. Would it be over aggressive if the

893
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:11,399
Speaker 2: chiefs said, you know that Dan Campbell's onto something here.

894
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:13,480
Speaker 2: You know, even though we have nothing to play for

895
00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:16,920
Speaker 2: in Week eighteen, we're playing Mahomes, we're playing Travis Kelsey,

896
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:19,080
Speaker 2: we're playing a banged up Chris Jones. Like, it wouldn't

897
00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:23,120
Speaker 2: make any sense, It makes no sense. And yet Dan

898
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:25,719
Speaker 2: Campbell went out there, and I get that's just who

899
00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:26,200
Speaker 2: they are.

900
00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:28,400
Speaker 1: But if you're going all in.

901
00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:33,800
Speaker 2: With like Jack three offsuit, like eventually you're gonna lose

902
00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:37,160
Speaker 2: those hands just because you're aggressive, and this is who

903
00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:39,799
Speaker 2: I am. I'm aggressive guy. It's like that can come

904
00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:42,600
Speaker 2: back and bite you. And I just didn't think the

905
00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:47,880
Speaker 2: risk was worth the reward. But hey, they escaped major injury.

906
00:45:48,040 --> 00:45:51,960
Speaker 2: That's step one here. But short week, banged up team,

907
00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:55,320
Speaker 2: you just played a sixty minute game and you're hosting

908
00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:59,360
Speaker 2: Sam Darnold and the Vikings, and that that's a on

909
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:02,400
Speaker 2: a short that is tough. That is a lot to ask.

910
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:06,400
Speaker 2: How about this another scenario here the Rams. This is

911
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:09,320
Speaker 2: an interesting one. So Sean McVay is doing the opposite

912
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:12,040
Speaker 2: of Dan Campbell. He saw the crazy Dan cambelly. It's like,

913
00:46:12,080 --> 00:46:15,080
Speaker 2: I want to do the exact opposite of that. He's

914
00:46:15,160 --> 00:46:19,400
Speaker 2: resting all of his guys, is main guys against the Seahawks.

915
00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:21,720
Speaker 1: If the Rams lose.

916
00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:24,960
Speaker 2: Which there is a great chance they will, and Tampa

917
00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:29,359
Speaker 2: wins their game, which is likely to happen, then the

918
00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:33,080
Speaker 2: Rams are a four seed and they'll either host the

919
00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:37,320
Speaker 2: Lions or the Vikings, whoever loses the Sunday night game.

920
00:46:38,080 --> 00:46:42,160
Speaker 2: That's who the Rams would host if they're the four seed.

921
00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:44,799
Speaker 2: And you could make the argument, hey, go out there,

922
00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:47,320
Speaker 2: play your guys, win the game. You're the three seed.

923
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:50,320
Speaker 2: That's way better than hosting either the Lions or the

924
00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:52,799
Speaker 2: Vikings in the first week of the playoffs. What do

925
00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:55,040
Speaker 2: you think about that decision from Sean McVay, He's like,

926
00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:59,000
Speaker 2: we're favoring rest over whoever we face and whatever seed

927
00:46:59,040 --> 00:46:59,880
Speaker 2: we end up getting.

928
00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:05,560
Speaker 3: Well, you know, it's interesting. So to your point, I

929
00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:10,239
Speaker 3: think Dan Campbell is coaching to his personality. I think

930
00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:13,239
Speaker 3: Sean McVay is coaching to his personality, and I think

931
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:15,800
Speaker 3: that you need to coach to your personality. You can't

932
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:19,360
Speaker 3: fake it, because if there's one thing as a former player,

933
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:25,400
Speaker 3: I remember feeling like the most cringe factor when you

934
00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:27,360
Speaker 3: hear a coach speak is when you know he's faking

935
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:28,720
Speaker 3: something like when.

936
00:47:28,520 --> 00:47:29,840
Speaker 1: You're not family.

937
00:47:30,239 --> 00:47:32,800
Speaker 4: Oh like that type of stuff.

938
00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:35,239
Speaker 3: I'm not kidding, Like when you're when you're in the

939
00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:38,759
Speaker 3: locker room, all you want is authenticity because you are

940
00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:41,640
Speaker 3: laying it out on the line on a daily basis,

941
00:47:41,719 --> 00:47:44,560
Speaker 3: certainly a weekly basis in the games you know you are.

942
00:47:45,080 --> 00:47:46,600
Speaker 4: You're putting a lot.

943
00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:49,480
Speaker 3: On the line for these for these figureheads, for these coaches,

944
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:56,040
Speaker 3: and the more authentic coaches and the more strategic. It

945
00:47:56,200 --> 00:47:59,200
Speaker 3: feels when you're kind of in the lions den and

946
00:47:59,239 --> 00:48:02,080
Speaker 3: you're in your lane and you're laying out your best

947
00:48:02,080 --> 00:48:07,040
Speaker 3: made plans and you know that trust is built by

948
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:10,319
Speaker 3: being who you are, and Dan Campbell there's no fake

949
00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:12,279
Speaker 3: in it, Like that's who he is, and that locker

950
00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:16,839
Speaker 3: rooms has rallied around him and his aggressiveness and this

951
00:48:17,239 --> 00:48:19,640
Speaker 3: you know, hey, we back down to No One attitude,

952
00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:21,640
Speaker 3: and it worked out for him in that game against

953
00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:22,399
Speaker 3: the forty nine ers.

954
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:24,040
Speaker 4: Nobody got hurt.

955
00:48:24,120 --> 00:48:26,359
Speaker 3: Now, everybody gets hurt in every game, but nobody got

956
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:27,920
Speaker 3: injured to the point where they're not going to be

957
00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:30,160
Speaker 3: available in a very important Week eight team matchup with

958
00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:30,800
Speaker 3: the Vikings.

959
00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:34,440
Speaker 4: But for the Rams, like Sean mcvay's not that guy.

960
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:40,160
Speaker 3: Sean mcvay's more Belicheckian, more Machiavellian in his approach. And

961
00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:43,880
Speaker 3: I think the players, especially an elder statesman like Stafford,

962
00:48:44,160 --> 00:48:46,719
Speaker 3: who needs to be guarded a little bit and protected

963
00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:49,080
Speaker 3: and he needs to sort of play behind the Walt

964
00:48:49,160 --> 00:48:52,440
Speaker 3: Garden a little bit. I think he respects that, and

965
00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:57,200
Speaker 3: I think that proliferates his locker room. So this decision

966
00:48:57,440 --> 00:48:59,920
Speaker 3: very similar in my brain to the Dan Campbell decision.

967
00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:03,719
Speaker 3: You got to you have to coach to your personality,

968
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:07,759
Speaker 3: and he one hundred percent is he's playing chessnut checkers here.

969
00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:08,720
Speaker 1: Yeah.

970
00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:11,080
Speaker 5: And there's a proverb and this isn't really it's not

971
00:49:11,200 --> 00:49:13,720
Speaker 5: fully apples to apples, but I'm gonna say it anyway.

972
00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:15,680
Speaker 5: There's a proverb that says, if you get bitten by

973
00:49:15,719 --> 00:49:18,520
Speaker 5: a snake, are you gonna go run after the snake

974
00:49:18,800 --> 00:49:21,120
Speaker 5: to like ask why it bit you? Or are you

975
00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:24,920
Speaker 5: just gonna accept snake's bite humans? And that's just what happens.

976
00:49:25,280 --> 00:49:27,279
Speaker 5: It's kind of a proverb about like forgiving yourself for

977
00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:31,799
Speaker 5: past wounds, but it applies to this because this is

978
00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:34,680
Speaker 5: just who these guys are, Like, this is just who

979
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:37,480
Speaker 5: Dan Campbell and Sean McVay are. Sean McVay is the

980
00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:41,440
Speaker 5: you know, the intellectual, analytical decision maker that's trying to

981
00:49:41,480 --> 00:49:45,480
Speaker 5: find the best plus ev expected outcome for his team

982
00:49:45,560 --> 00:49:48,600
Speaker 5: to put them in the best situation possible to win.

983
00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:51,160
Speaker 1: And Dan Campbell's like, screw it, we're going like here

984
00:49:51,160 --> 00:49:51,480
Speaker 1: we go.

985
00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:55,520
Speaker 5: Like there's just come two completely different personalities.

986
00:49:55,920 --> 00:49:57,440
Speaker 1: One is not right or wrong.

987
00:49:57,960 --> 00:50:00,720
Speaker 5: They both have had success coaching in the end, Shawn's

988
00:50:00,719 --> 00:50:03,720
Speaker 5: won a Super Bowl, obviously, he's had a fantastic career.

989
00:50:04,560 --> 00:50:06,719
Speaker 5: Dan is still kind of ascending up to that perch

990
00:50:06,760 --> 00:50:08,239
Speaker 5: and they've got a chance to win a Super Bowl

991
00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:12,120
Speaker 5: this year. So if you can't say one's right, one's wrong,

992
00:50:12,200 --> 00:50:15,600
Speaker 5: it's just the personality of their respective teams and you

993
00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:19,320
Speaker 5: have to respect the decision of these two men staying

994
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:23,920
Speaker 5: true to their personalities and not allowing the outside pressure

995
00:50:24,040 --> 00:50:26,960
Speaker 5: of the moment impact their decisions. And I think the

996
00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:29,840
Speaker 5: locker room, and I've never been in a NFL locker

997
00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:32,879
Speaker 5: room like Rich has, but I think each locker room

998
00:50:33,040 --> 00:50:36,080
Speaker 5: probably respects each coach. And I'm sure there were guys.

999
00:50:36,239 --> 00:50:38,280
Speaker 5: I'm sure there were guys on both sides of the argument.

1000
00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:40,200
Speaker 5: I'm sure there were guys in the Lions locker room

1001
00:50:40,200 --> 00:50:41,640
Speaker 5: they're like, man, why the hell are we playing this?

1002
00:50:41,880 --> 00:50:43,719
Speaker 5: And I'm sure there's guys in the Rams locker room

1003
00:50:43,719 --> 00:50:45,280
Speaker 5: they're like, man, I want to go out there and play.

1004
00:50:45,480 --> 00:50:47,160
Speaker 1: Another example that is the Eagles.

1005
00:50:47,239 --> 00:50:49,680
Speaker 5: I bet there's guys in that Eagles locker room offensive

1006
00:50:49,719 --> 00:50:52,360
Speaker 5: lineman Saquon Barkley that are like, I want this stupid

1007
00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:53,080
Speaker 5: rushing record.

1008
00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:56,000
Speaker 1: Screw the resting screw that I want this record.

1009
00:50:56,239 --> 00:51:00,760
Speaker 5: But they understand there's a bigger, you know, bigger factor

1010
00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:04,120
Speaker 5: in play here, and they respect the personality of whatever

1011
00:51:04,200 --> 00:51:07,319
Speaker 5: franchise decision maker that they're listening to. In this case,

1012
00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:10,160
Speaker 5: it would be Sirianni and the GMS and everyone on

1013
00:51:10,200 --> 00:51:10,799
Speaker 5: the higher ups.

1014
00:51:10,840 --> 00:51:12,480
Speaker 1: But the Rams Lions.

1015
00:51:12,239 --> 00:51:16,200
Speaker 5: Like two polar opposite personalities, but both coaches. You gotta

1016
00:51:16,239 --> 00:51:17,960
Speaker 5: respect them for staying true to theirselves.

1017
00:51:18,719 --> 00:51:22,640
Speaker 2: Well, I just think that it'll be interesting to hear

1018
00:51:22,680 --> 00:51:26,440
Speaker 2: the takeaways with whatever happens with the Lions, and I

1019
00:51:26,520 --> 00:51:29,640
Speaker 2: think that there's gonna be a lot more made than

1020
00:51:29,680 --> 00:51:32,359
Speaker 2: there probably should be. That's my gut feeling. Or play

1021
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:35,919
Speaker 2: this thing out. If the Lions lose on Sunday night,

1022
00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:39,040
Speaker 2: you're gonna hear a lot of See, I told you

1023
00:51:39,080 --> 00:51:41,799
Speaker 2: they shouldn't have played their guys against the Niners last week.

1024
00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:45,000
Speaker 2: That's why they lost. And it's like, well, not necessarily.

1025
00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:47,080
Speaker 2: The Vikings are a really good team. Even if they

1026
00:51:47,160 --> 00:51:50,000
Speaker 2: rested everybody, the Lions still might have lost.

1027
00:51:50,160 --> 00:51:51,960
Speaker 1: And the other can be true too.

1028
00:51:52,040 --> 00:51:54,680
Speaker 2: If the Lions win, you're gonna hear a lot of

1029
00:51:55,200 --> 00:51:58,000
Speaker 2: That's why you play your guys the momentum. You know,

1030
00:51:58,200 --> 00:52:01,640
Speaker 2: Dan Campbell, he's a mad genius over here. That's why

1031
00:52:01,680 --> 00:52:05,080
Speaker 2: they wont like Look, guys, they're a good team. The

1032
00:52:05,120 --> 00:52:08,640
Speaker 2: Lions are really tough to beat at home, even as banged.

1033
00:52:08,440 --> 00:52:12,080
Speaker 1: Up as they are. So I'm just prepared for see.

1034
00:52:12,160 --> 00:52:12,800
Speaker 4: That's why.

1035
00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:17,759
Speaker 5: Determined outcome right there, I think we're gonna get a

1036
00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:18,760
Speaker 5: lot of redetermined outcome.

1037
00:52:18,920 --> 00:52:23,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree with what you said. I think that reaction.

1038
00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:26,000
Speaker 3: You can count on reaction. There's gonna be reaction one

1039
00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:29,520
Speaker 3: way or the other. But but to what you said

1040
00:52:29,520 --> 00:52:33,520
Speaker 3: to Jared, like the predetermined outcome thing, Like I don't

1041
00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:38,120
Speaker 3: buy it ever, because everything feels random to me when

1042
00:52:38,120 --> 00:52:40,799
Speaker 3: it comes to the NFL again, there's so many variables.

1043
00:52:41,160 --> 00:52:44,320
Speaker 3: Like that's the reason why you can see major upsets

1044
00:52:44,360 --> 00:52:46,840
Speaker 3: like Michigan walking away. We were talking about this earlier,

1045
00:52:47,160 --> 00:52:50,359
Speaker 3: Michigan walking away with a win against Ohio State in

1046
00:52:50,440 --> 00:52:54,040
Speaker 3: that matchup, like Ryan Day is on top of the world,

1047
00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:56,840
Speaker 3: you know, the day before the game. The day after

1048
00:52:56,920 --> 00:52:59,640
Speaker 3: the game, a guy who's about to you know, compete

1049
00:53:00,320 --> 00:53:04,920
Speaker 3: for potential national championship is being discussed as should he

1050
00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:09,800
Speaker 3: lose his job? Like, I mean, like that's how steep

1051
00:53:09,920 --> 00:53:15,480
Speaker 3: the reaction can be to these highly variable moments. So yeah,

1052
00:53:15,560 --> 00:53:20,320
Speaker 3: I mean, I look at Dan Campbell and probably honestly

1053
00:53:20,920 --> 00:53:24,200
Speaker 3: he would never say this out loud, and certainly not

1054
00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:28,560
Speaker 3: in front of his team, but he probably still feels like, hey,

1055
00:53:28,560 --> 00:53:33,680
Speaker 3: we have a culture in Detroit of losing football. We

1056
00:53:33,800 --> 00:53:36,960
Speaker 3: are still trying to shake, Like we need this fan

1057
00:53:37,040 --> 00:53:40,320
Speaker 3: base to believe in us. I need to consistently remind

1058
00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:44,640
Speaker 3: this team this franchise, the owners, the people who work

1059
00:53:44,680 --> 00:53:47,839
Speaker 3: on the support staff, that we're now winners. And if

1060
00:53:47,880 --> 00:53:51,560
Speaker 3: we rest on our laurels at all and then go

1061
00:53:51,600 --> 00:53:55,719
Speaker 3: out and play a bad game against the Vikings, everybody's

1062
00:53:55,760 --> 00:53:59,799
Speaker 3: going to respond with huh. Dan Campbell got himself to

1063
00:53:59,800 --> 00:54:04,000
Speaker 3: a certain platitude and he rested his guys and he

1064
00:54:04,160 --> 00:54:07,480
Speaker 3: thought who he was, and look what happens now? That

1065
00:54:07,640 --> 00:54:10,319
Speaker 3: is not what he's built up there. He's got this.

1066
00:54:10,600 --> 00:54:12,719
Speaker 3: He's got to teach this culture what it feels like

1067
00:54:12,800 --> 00:54:15,919
Speaker 3: to be a winner. And then and then I think

1068
00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:18,799
Speaker 3: he could start becoming more strategic and you may see

1069
00:54:18,840 --> 00:54:21,400
Speaker 3: some of that in the future if they have continued success.

1070
00:54:21,920 --> 00:54:24,120
Speaker 3: I agree with the decision because I don't think this

1071
00:54:24,239 --> 00:54:26,800
Speaker 3: is a year to do it. They're still building that foundation.

1072
00:54:27,360 --> 00:54:32,320
Speaker 5: Totally agree, And I think the biggest risk was the injuries.

1073
00:54:33,120 --> 00:54:33,959
Speaker 1: Nobody got hurt.

1074
00:54:34,880 --> 00:54:36,520
Speaker 5: You want to make the case that they've got one

1075
00:54:36,600 --> 00:54:40,480
Speaker 5: less day to prepare, that the schedule was like that

1076
00:54:40,960 --> 00:54:44,080
Speaker 5: before the season started, like they knew going into the season.

1077
00:54:44,719 --> 00:54:47,800
Speaker 5: For example, Rich when you guys had games on Monday

1078
00:54:47,880 --> 00:54:49,960
Speaker 5: night and then you had the short week. A lot

1079
00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:52,160
Speaker 5: of times you do the install before you'd maybe take

1080
00:54:52,160 --> 00:54:53,880
Speaker 5: a day before because you have an extra day the

1081
00:54:54,000 --> 00:54:56,160
Speaker 5: prior week. Hey, we got the Vikings next week, let's

1082
00:54:56,200 --> 00:54:59,160
Speaker 5: do a little Vikings prep. So that part of it

1083
00:54:59,200 --> 00:55:02,160
Speaker 5: I think was probably ironed out. The injury bug was

1084
00:55:02,200 --> 00:55:04,520
Speaker 5: the only thing that could have bit them in this spot,

1085
00:55:05,040 --> 00:55:08,160
Speaker 5: and it didn't bite them. Anything that takes place on

1086
00:55:08,280 --> 00:55:11,239
Speaker 5: Sunday has nothing to do with what happened Monday in

1087
00:55:11,280 --> 00:55:13,799
Speaker 5: Santa Clair. I don't want to hear the fatigue or

1088
00:55:13,800 --> 00:55:16,000
Speaker 5: the fatigue. It's it's the biggest game of there. You

1089
00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:18,000
Speaker 5: think the Vikings are fatigued. How many games have they

1090
00:55:18,040 --> 00:55:20,319
Speaker 5: played this year? You're telling me that one extra day

1091
00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:22,480
Speaker 5: is going to make that big of a difference in

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Speaker 5: the level of fatigue that the lie like the Vikings

1093
00:55:25,080 --> 00:55:27,000
Speaker 5: have had a really long, tumultuous season.

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00:55:27,040 --> 00:55:31,040
Speaker 1: Aaron Jones' banged up, he got cleared. Both teams are.

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Speaker 5: On the the You know, the candle has been burning

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00:55:33,360 --> 00:55:36,640
Speaker 5: on both ends for both of these teams for seventeen weeks.

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Speaker 1: Now you get one game to show your stuff.

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Speaker 4: I am.

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00:55:39,800 --> 00:55:42,640
Speaker 5: I'm very happy that nobody got hurt. Now that we've

1100
00:55:42,680 --> 00:55:46,120
Speaker 5: moved past the oh what if? Jamiir Gibbs, Tears's Achilles

1101
00:55:46,200 --> 00:55:48,480
Speaker 5: or something crazy that didn't happen.

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00:55:48,840 --> 00:55:50,280
Speaker 1: Now we can focus on the game.

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00:55:50,520 --> 00:55:52,920
Speaker 5: Nothing that takes place on the field Sunday night, I

1104
00:55:52,960 --> 00:55:54,319
Speaker 5: think has anything to do with.

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Speaker 1: What transpired in Santa Clair on Monday.

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00:55:56,239 --> 00:56:00,760
Speaker 5: These are very separate outcomes now because thankfully we avoided

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00:56:00,760 --> 00:56:01,320
Speaker 5: an injury.

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00:56:01,719 --> 00:56:05,279
Speaker 1: No bye week since week five for the Lions, what

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00:56:05,440 --> 00:56:07,200
Speaker 1: was the Vikings by week I honestly don't know.

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00:56:08,360 --> 00:56:10,399
Speaker 2: I could get it for you real fast, but I will.

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00:56:10,520 --> 00:56:12,240
Speaker 2: You played a lot of football.

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00:56:11,840 --> 00:56:12,920
Speaker 1: For a lot of weeks.

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00:56:13,520 --> 00:56:15,879
Speaker 5: While you're looking well, you're biking Kings.

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00:56:16,719 --> 00:56:17,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's.

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00:56:17,719 --> 00:56:21,400
Speaker 2: Not like there, you know, are the Vikings as banged.

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00:56:21,200 --> 00:56:23,360
Speaker 1: Up as the Lions? Not even close? No, well, the

1117
00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:24,839
Speaker 1: defense is much worse of it.

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00:56:24,920 --> 00:56:26,640
Speaker 3: If I were Dan Campbell, I get in front of

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00:56:26,680 --> 00:56:29,280
Speaker 3: that group and I would say, you guys want to rest.

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Speaker 3: You want to rest. We earn our rest. You go

1121
00:56:32,160 --> 00:56:35,319
Speaker 3: out there and you beat the Niners, you beat the Vikings,

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Speaker 3: We'll get our rest. That's how we are. We earn

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Speaker 3: our rest around here. And then they go out Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I mean play like your hair's on fire. Like that's

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Speaker 3: that's to me. Lions football. If they rested, I'd be like,

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Speaker 3: what is Dan Campbell doing that. That's that's that it

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00:56:49,400 --> 00:56:52,200
Speaker 3: wouldn't match the personality, and he's coaching to his person.

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Speaker 7: And real quick just to just to rich his point

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Speaker 7: as someone who's covered the Lions now for for nine years.

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00:56:57,280 --> 00:57:01,479
Speaker 7: There is a term in Lions culture of sol, which

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00:57:01,520 --> 00:57:03,520
Speaker 7: means a lot of things, but in this context means

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00:57:03,560 --> 00:57:04,640
Speaker 7: same old Lions.

1133
00:57:04,640 --> 00:57:05,480
Speaker 4: And it's to.

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Speaker 7: That idea that no matter what, the Lions are going

1135
00:57:08,480 --> 00:57:11,520
Speaker 7: to somehow disappointment you and let you down. And you

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00:57:11,640 --> 00:57:14,279
Speaker 7: did see last year was kind of like the oh,

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00:57:14,400 --> 00:57:17,440
Speaker 7: this is this is not Sol anymore. This is brand

1138
00:57:17,440 --> 00:57:20,320
Speaker 7: new Lions. This is something different. But I think that

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00:57:20,320 --> 00:57:22,880
Speaker 7: that's always got to be nagging in the back of

1140
00:57:23,360 --> 00:57:27,200
Speaker 7: Dan Campbell's mind, and he's spoken to that same point

1141
00:57:27,200 --> 00:57:30,120
Speaker 7: that you've talked about Ritch about trying to instill a

1142
00:57:30,160 --> 00:57:32,880
Speaker 7: new culture that where those three letters never come up again,

1143
00:57:32,960 --> 00:57:35,880
Speaker 7: because that's that's the goal, is learning how to win

1144
00:57:35,920 --> 00:57:37,440
Speaker 7: and just wins consistently.

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Speaker 2: By the way I say, real fast, little peak behind

1146
00:57:40,080 --> 00:57:43,320
Speaker 2: the curtain, Chris, he'll be the guy in our year.

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00:57:43,240 --> 00:57:45,120
Speaker 1: Gotta go, gotta.

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Speaker 2: Go until it's his Lions and then it's a little

1149
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Speaker 2: equoy city and who cares about the clock.

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Speaker 1: I love that. I love it only when we were whatever.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 1: I'm Brian No.

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Speaker 4: Ah.

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Speaker 2: Yes, we welcome in our good friend, Seamus McGee, team lead.

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Speaker 2: Good morning, Seamus. So the first NFL game of the day.

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Speaker 2: We've got the Browns at the Ravens. Browns are twenty

1180
00:59:25,200 --> 00:59:31,080
Speaker 2: point underdogs, which to me feels disrespectful and probably accurate

1181
00:59:31,120 --> 00:59:33,200
Speaker 2: at the same time. What do you think about a

1182
00:59:33,320 --> 00:59:35,560
Speaker 2: twenty point NFL spread here?

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00:59:37,200 --> 00:59:39,840
Speaker 9: Yeah, it's getting be back. Yeah. I had to do

1184
00:59:39,880 --> 00:59:41,640
Speaker 9: a double take when I saw this get to twenty.

1185
00:59:41,920 --> 00:59:44,600
Speaker 9: I thought Adam Gaser was on the sideline for Browns.

1186
00:59:46,760 --> 00:59:49,040
Speaker 9: So yeah, I mean, as far as the spread goes,

1187
00:59:49,080 --> 00:59:53,080
Speaker 9: there is there is some interest on the Browns at twenty. Yeah,

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00:59:53,080 --> 00:59:57,040
Speaker 9: this is a huge spread. I'm thinking if I if

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00:59:57,040 --> 00:59:59,960
Speaker 9: I wanted to back the Browns, you gotta think ravenst

1190
01:00:00,160 --> 01:00:04,080
Speaker 9: up huge early. They pull all the starters. Browns somehow,

1191
01:00:04,240 --> 01:00:07,120
Speaker 9: you know, get in the back door there. But there's

1192
01:00:07,120 --> 01:00:09,760
Speaker 9: definitely you know, two sided action on this game.

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Speaker 5: You know, it's funny. I was looking up some numbers

1194
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Speaker 5: in Week eighteen, Seamus. It's just it's such a weird

1195
01:00:15,200 --> 01:00:19,600
Speaker 5: week in the NFL. So last year only five of

1196
01:00:19,640 --> 01:00:22,400
Speaker 5: the sixteen games were within a touchdown of each other,

1197
01:00:22,800 --> 01:00:25,439
Speaker 5: and no season in the last seven years has had

1198
01:00:25,560 --> 01:00:28,520
Speaker 5: more than half of the games within a touchdown. So like,

1199
01:00:28,640 --> 01:00:31,920
Speaker 5: these games just fly off the rails in both directions.

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01:00:31,960 --> 01:00:35,000
Speaker 5: Of course, the volatility with the rosters, it probably makes

1201
01:00:35,040 --> 01:00:36,360
Speaker 5: it really tough to book.

1202
01:00:37,840 --> 01:00:41,520
Speaker 9: It really is like you usually get up a touchdown

1203
01:00:41,640 --> 01:00:45,120
Speaker 9: score props up, you know, way earlier in the week.

1204
01:00:45,160 --> 01:00:47,280
Speaker 9: But this year, I mean, we still have a couple

1205
01:00:47,360 --> 01:00:49,120
Speaker 9: games we don't have props for yet because we don't

1206
01:00:49,120 --> 01:00:52,120
Speaker 9: know who's playing for some teams like the Rams Seahawks

1207
01:00:52,160 --> 01:00:54,600
Speaker 9: is a game like that. But yeah, it's so weird.

1208
01:00:54,640 --> 01:00:56,720
Speaker 9: And then we get into a spot where it's like

1209
01:00:57,360 --> 01:01:01,160
Speaker 9: everyone knows who needs to win this week, so they

1210
01:01:01,240 --> 01:01:04,640
Speaker 9: bet that team and they're usually favored. So it's another

1211
01:01:04,720 --> 01:01:06,560
Speaker 9: week where we really need the dogs to cover.

1212
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Speaker 8: And you know, as a guarantee, what seam is, what

1213
01:01:11,760 --> 01:01:16,720
Speaker 8: part of this Browns Baltimore matchup are you most interested in?

1214
01:01:16,800 --> 01:01:19,760
Speaker 3: This coun be both from a betting angle or just

1215
01:01:19,840 --> 01:01:24,320
Speaker 3: from a fan standpoint. I mean so many different spider

1216
01:01:24,440 --> 01:01:26,640
Speaker 3: legs to this. You know, you have the Lamar Jackson

1217
01:01:26,800 --> 01:01:30,720
Speaker 3: MVP case. Right this is his final regular season game.

1218
01:01:30,880 --> 01:01:34,720
Speaker 3: He trails Josh Allen right now plus two point fifty,

1219
01:01:34,760 --> 01:01:37,280
Speaker 3: I think is where Lamar currently is. The most books

1220
01:01:37,640 --> 01:01:41,960
Speaker 3: you have. Obviously the AFC North, I mean still up

1221
01:01:42,000 --> 01:01:46,520
Speaker 3: for grabs between Baltimore and the Steelers. The Cincinnati Bengals

1222
01:01:46,520 --> 01:01:49,200
Speaker 3: playoff future is tied to the outcome of this game.

1223
01:01:49,560 --> 01:01:52,520
Speaker 3: They still have a way to weirdly sneak in. Also,

1224
01:01:52,920 --> 01:01:58,200
Speaker 3: Derrick Henry's touchdown incentive during the So is there one

1225
01:01:58,280 --> 01:02:01,080
Speaker 3: storyline that you're most interest just didn't whether it be

1226
01:02:01,160 --> 01:02:03,560
Speaker 3: from a fans standpoint or a betting standpoint.

1227
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Speaker 9: I know what you said first was my reasons, Like

1228
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Speaker 9: how long is Mamar gonna play? Are they going to

1229
01:02:09,040 --> 01:02:11,080
Speaker 9: leave him into like add the stats a little bit,

1230
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Speaker 9: get him that back to back MVP. That's what I'm

1231
01:02:14,160 --> 01:02:16,080
Speaker 9: looking at it. And also like that's gonna be huge

1232
01:02:16,120 --> 01:02:18,680
Speaker 9: for the spread, Like if he's in for three quarters,

1233
01:02:18,960 --> 01:02:21,320
Speaker 9: you know, suddenly Ravens minus twenty feels like it has

1234
01:02:21,520 --> 01:02:24,000
Speaker 9: a lot more life system does right now. But yeah,

1235
01:02:24,120 --> 01:02:25,840
Speaker 9: it's seemed interesting to see how much you say he

1236
01:02:25,880 --> 01:02:26,560
Speaker 9: stays in this game.

1237
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Speaker 2: I think, Okay, Seamus, let me throw a little bit

1238
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Speaker 2: of college football at you. So we've got our our

1239
01:02:32,080 --> 01:02:34,720
Speaker 2: semi final matchups here, all set.

1240
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Speaker 1: Which point spread, whether.

1241
01:02:37,080 --> 01:02:40,960
Speaker 2: It's Notre Dame against Penn State or it's at Ohio

1242
01:02:41,000 --> 01:02:44,440
Speaker 2: State Texas matchup? Which point spread as it stands right

1243
01:02:44,480 --> 01:02:46,800
Speaker 2: now interests you more as a better.

1244
01:02:48,440 --> 01:02:51,520
Speaker 9: I lean with Ohio State along with everyone else in

1245
01:02:51,560 --> 01:02:53,920
Speaker 9: the world. I think they're playing a different sport right

1246
01:02:53,920 --> 01:02:57,640
Speaker 9: now compared to everyone else left in the playoffs. I

1247
01:02:57,800 --> 01:02:59,920
Speaker 9: bet this up to seven seven and a half real

1248
01:03:00,720 --> 01:03:02,600
Speaker 9: if that from what I saw from them and what

1249
01:03:02,640 --> 01:03:04,680
Speaker 9: I've seen from Texas and really what I'm seeing on

1250
01:03:04,760 --> 01:03:06,880
Speaker 9: the Texas offense. Think the first drive they looked great,

1251
01:03:06,920 --> 01:03:10,240
Speaker 9: and then Dolphins really sputters a lot, a lot more

1252
01:03:10,280 --> 01:03:13,320
Speaker 9: than people think I And then Ohio State team, you

1253
01:03:13,400 --> 01:03:16,880
Speaker 9: go down three scores, good luck, that defense is not

1254
01:03:17,000 --> 01:03:19,640
Speaker 9: letting you back in the game. I think this team

1255
01:03:19,720 --> 01:03:20,960
Speaker 9: is gonna win a national championship.

1256
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Speaker 5: I hated everything about you know, how Texas handled that

1257
01:03:24,560 --> 01:03:27,240
Speaker 5: game after the after the punt return they just they

1258
01:03:27,280 --> 01:03:30,480
Speaker 5: just said we're gonna win, and they just completely throw disgusting.

1259
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Speaker 9: Yeah, I was saying, we got to start talking about

1260
01:03:33,200 --> 01:03:35,240
Speaker 9: Sarkisi and were talking about James Franklin at this ray

1261
01:03:35,280 --> 01:03:37,520
Speaker 9: and then they luckily pulled it off for them.

1262
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Speaker 4: Yeah, they were.

1263
01:03:38,680 --> 01:03:41,120
Speaker 5: They were a fourth and thirteen away from from us

1264
01:03:41,160 --> 01:03:44,080
Speaker 5: being just a complete I mean that would have been

1265
01:03:44,160 --> 01:03:46,840
Speaker 5: if they don't If they didn't win that game, all

1266
01:03:46,880 --> 01:03:48,920
Speaker 5: of the hatred that Ryan Day was getting would have

1267
01:03:48,960 --> 01:03:53,480
Speaker 5: been transferred over over to Steve's Sarkisian is is there

1268
01:03:53,800 --> 01:03:56,960
Speaker 5: like the contract incentive stuff. We've talked about this before,

1269
01:03:57,480 --> 01:04:00,560
Speaker 5: and it's naive of anyone out there to think that

1270
01:04:00,600 --> 01:04:03,439
Speaker 5: you guys don't know that Derek Henry needs to score

1271
01:04:03,480 --> 01:04:06,640
Speaker 5: a touchdown today for five hundred thousand dollars like it's

1272
01:04:06,880 --> 01:04:09,000
Speaker 5: and I think a lot of us betting these things.

1273
01:04:09,040 --> 01:04:12,640
Speaker 5: Oh we've got this big inside information, like you know

1274
01:04:12,760 --> 01:04:15,920
Speaker 5: that these are happening, and you price them accordingly. So

1275
01:04:16,040 --> 01:04:19,280
Speaker 5: while it might still happen and you might win your bet,

1276
01:04:19,760 --> 01:04:22,840
Speaker 5: you're not getting a fair you know, a fair price

1277
01:04:22,920 --> 01:04:25,880
Speaker 5: because everybody knows that the incentives are a thing.

1278
01:04:27,600 --> 01:04:32,240
Speaker 9: This is getting into March madness. Territory when one guy

1279
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Speaker 9: will go on, I found this super secret ten palm

1280
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Speaker 9: formula that none of the books know about, and this

1281
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Speaker 9: is how you're gonna win your bracket pool. It's Mike

1282
01:04:41,600 --> 01:04:44,640
Speaker 9: Evans is receiving prop is what ninety three and a half,

1283
01:04:44,720 --> 01:04:45,680
Speaker 9: ninety four and a half.

1284
01:04:45,720 --> 01:04:50,959
Speaker 8: It's been one hundreds, like one hundred now, it's has

1285
01:04:50,960 --> 01:04:52,840
Speaker 8: been like about fifteen yards all year.

1286
01:04:53,280 --> 01:04:55,400
Speaker 9: This stuff gets baked in to the point and we

1287
01:04:55,480 --> 01:04:57,720
Speaker 9: know people are gonna bet it. Like on our site,

1288
01:04:57,720 --> 01:05:01,600
Speaker 9: we have specials for players to get incentives right now.

1289
01:05:01,640 --> 01:05:02,840
Speaker 9: You can go on there. If you go to our

1290
01:05:02,880 --> 01:05:05,160
Speaker 9: special side, you can find if you really want to

1291
01:05:05,200 --> 01:05:08,280
Speaker 9: vet it. So we were well aware of them, but yeah,

1292
01:05:08,320 --> 01:05:10,760
Speaker 9: it's there. You can tell they're baked in. I think

1293
01:05:10,800 --> 01:05:13,400
Speaker 9: the only one that looks like maybe there's a chance

1294
01:05:13,440 --> 01:05:16,000
Speaker 9: if you really think the incentive has some work is

1295
01:05:16,000 --> 01:05:18,880
Speaker 9: a Courtland Sutton's prop. It's definitely getting over, but he

1296
01:05:18,920 --> 01:05:21,480
Speaker 9: needs like eighty five yards to meet his And it's

1297
01:05:21,520 --> 01:05:24,800
Speaker 9: like still like the sixties seventies, because I wonder if

1298
01:05:24,840 --> 01:05:28,680
Speaker 9: they go big on the Chiefs today start taking side out,

1299
01:05:29,280 --> 01:05:30,800
Speaker 9: are they just going to take the ritable and just

1300
01:05:30,880 --> 01:05:32,480
Speaker 9: run the ball the rest of the game. So that's

1301
01:05:32,480 --> 01:05:33,200
Speaker 9: an interesting one.

1302
01:05:33,200 --> 01:05:36,320
Speaker 3: I think seame this week eighteen feels like walking into

1303
01:05:36,360 --> 01:05:39,440
Speaker 3: the funhouse at an amusement park. Like you look around

1304
01:05:39,480 --> 01:05:43,200
Speaker 3: some of these spreads, like the Eagles are narrow favorites

1305
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Speaker 3: over the Giants, the Bills are narrow favorites over the Patriots.

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's so weird, is there. I mean there's

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01:05:51,680 --> 01:05:54,360
Speaker 3: a lot to plunder. It feels like if you feel

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01:05:54,560 --> 01:05:58,600
Speaker 3: there's edges out there to exploit, is there a game

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Speaker 3: or games in the NFL this week and that have

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Speaker 3: caught your eye because the spreads just don't seem to

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Speaker 3: match up to expectation.

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Speaker 9: It's a weird seeing that the Jets are like a

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Speaker 9: pick em this week against the Dolphins in a must

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Speaker 9: win game for Miami. Right, but you do take into

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Speaker 9: a fact that Huntley is starting, it could be Rogers's

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Speaker 9: last game, and you know, the record without two is

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Speaker 9: just abysmal. So that caught my eye for a little bit.

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Speaker 9: But like you hook at the Vronton's been favored over

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Speaker 9: a Chiefs team ten and a half. I know, no

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Speaker 9: one's sitting for everyone's sitting for the Chiefs, so that

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01:06:35,680 --> 01:06:38,160
Speaker 9: this is just You're a funhouse is a great way

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Speaker 9: to describe this week. Titans favored by a point and

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01:06:41,800 --> 01:06:44,280
Speaker 9: a half over the Texans. I know the Titans are

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Speaker 9: playing a Texans team that's sitting everyone as well, but

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Speaker 9: this is a Titans team that should probably lose this game.

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Speaker 9: There's so many angles you could take for any game

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Speaker 9: you really.

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Speaker 2: Want, all right, Seamus, it's the moment of truth over here,

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01:06:59,360 --> 01:07:00,600
Speaker 2: the shamous best shoal.

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Speaker 1: Where are you taking us here?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 9: Well, I'm gonna go to the hardwood here in about

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Speaker 9: half hour. I'm gonna take Florida outright at Kentucky. Florida

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Speaker 9: undefeated going in. It might be square, but I really

1335
01:07:13,600 --> 01:07:15,360
Speaker 9: love this Florida team. I have a ticket on them

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Speaker 9: myself to win the national championship this year.

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Speaker 1: I think I just want to go Bahamas Bowl.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Gators, here we go exactly.

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Speaker 9: That line is so weird, the Bahamas Ball. We've gone

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Speaker 9: through zero and now there's some buy back coming in

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01:07:30,280 --> 01:07:30,840
Speaker 9: on Liberty.

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Speaker 5: I just I have no clue, you know what about

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01:07:33,320 --> 01:07:35,800
Speaker 5: Buffalo and Liberty at eight o'clock in the morning Pacific

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Speaker 5: in the Bahamas Bull.

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Speaker 4: I love it, all.

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Speaker 1: Right, Samus, Great stuff man, we'll catch you soon. Hope

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Speaker 1: you have a great weekend.

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Speaker 9: Thanks guys, have a go one.

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Speaker 1: You're the man.

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01:07:47,080 --> 01:07:49,880
Speaker 2: Jamins too very is Seamous McGee, team lead of sports

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Speaker 2: trading at bet MGM.

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Speaker 4: That's right.

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01:07:52,680 --> 01:07:55,200
Speaker 2: We're only twenty four minutes away from kickoff and we've

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Speaker 2: got another hour of the show left.

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Speaker 4: I love it.

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01:07:57,920 --> 01:08:00,720
Speaker 5: I already put in a Buffalo money line. Derek Henry

1357
01:08:00,760 --> 01:08:05,160
Speaker 5: touchdown parlay for for Derek Henry. Parlay is tied to

1358
01:08:05,200 --> 01:08:05,640
Speaker 5: like everything.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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01:08:06,120 --> 01:08:09,120
Speaker 2: He said something pretty interesting right there, and I'm sure

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01:08:09,160 --> 01:08:11,800
Speaker 2: you caught it, Jared, being as heavy as you are

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01:08:11,840 --> 01:08:15,280
Speaker 2: on this, Derrick Henry anytime rushing touchdown.

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Speaker 1: Prop right starters? Yeah, yeah, but.

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01:08:18,400 --> 01:08:21,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, like the Ravens get up big, Like let's say,

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01:08:21,720 --> 01:08:24,840
Speaker 2: Lamar scores, they Flowers gets in the end zone, there's

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Speaker 2: a touchdown past to Mark Andrews.

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01:08:26,960 --> 01:08:29,800
Speaker 1: We're leading big, can get anybody hurt?

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Speaker 4: Yeah? Yeah, they're leading, they're leading. I could see it now.

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Speaker 3: They're they're leading twenty seven to three going into the

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01:08:39,000 --> 01:08:43,000
Speaker 3: fourth quarter, and we're and the text line is exploding

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Speaker 3: between me Jared.

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Speaker 5: Well, you can bet there's a couple of ways to

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01:08:47,280 --> 01:08:49,000
Speaker 5: mitigate that. I don't even know if they offer this

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01:08:49,680 --> 01:08:52,280
Speaker 5: at certain shops. I've seen it before. You can bet

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01:08:52,439 --> 01:08:55,920
Speaker 5: which player to score the first touchdown, obviously in the game, right,

1376
01:08:55,960 --> 01:08:57,800
Speaker 5: but you can also bet the player to score the

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01:08:57,800 --> 01:09:00,840
Speaker 5: first touchdown for that specific team. You can also bet

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01:09:00,840 --> 01:09:04,120
Speaker 5: a first half touchdown, which I think might be the

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01:09:04,160 --> 01:09:06,000
Speaker 5: better way to kind of split the baby there.

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01:09:06,040 --> 01:09:06,519
Speaker 4: I like that.

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01:09:06,520 --> 01:09:09,000
Speaker 2: That's a good idea right there. It does give me,

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01:09:09,560 --> 01:09:13,880
Speaker 2: you know, shivers. When I accidentally I thought I was

1383
01:09:13,920 --> 01:09:17,400
Speaker 2: betting I take you to the World Cup. Okay, yeah,

1384
01:09:17,600 --> 01:09:21,920
Speaker 2: I thought I was betting Argentina to score the first

1385
01:09:22,040 --> 01:09:24,040
Speaker 2: goal against Poland.

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Speaker 1: And what turned out to.

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01:09:26,240 --> 01:09:29,840
Speaker 2: Be was Argentina had to score the first goal in

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01:09:29,920 --> 01:09:36,920
Speaker 2: the first half, and so Messy Messi, who was unbelievable

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01:09:37,120 --> 01:09:40,519
Speaker 2: in the World Cup, he had a penalty kick in

1390
01:09:40,560 --> 01:09:44,000
Speaker 2: the first half, and my girls like you're ready to win.

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01:09:44,240 --> 01:09:49,920
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm let's go. Messi airmails it like over

1392
01:09:49,960 --> 01:09:51,120
Speaker 1: the net, don't win.

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01:09:51,120 --> 01:09:53,600
Speaker 5: Lose to watch the rest of the match outside after that,

1394
01:09:53,680 --> 01:09:55,799
Speaker 5: and of course Argentina scores first.

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01:09:55,880 --> 01:10:01,120
Speaker 1: But in the second half, I thought, that's check before

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01:10:01,160 --> 01:10:01,960
Speaker 1: you click submit.

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01:10:02,200 --> 01:10:05,920
Speaker 2: May there's a lot of fine print in soccer betting.

1398
01:10:06,280 --> 01:10:08,280
Speaker 2: There's stuff I don't even get I'm like, I'm not

1399
01:10:08,320 --> 01:10:08,720
Speaker 2: doing it.

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Speaker 1: I have no idea.

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01:10:10,360 --> 01:10:14,240
Speaker 2: Okay, real fast, We've got the Browns and the Ravens today,

1402
01:10:14,240 --> 01:10:19,160
Speaker 2: we're just talking about this twenty point spread. Two things

1403
01:10:19,240 --> 01:10:23,320
Speaker 2: I find interesting. One, we've got Bailey Zappi in for

1404
01:10:23,439 --> 01:10:27,479
Speaker 2: the Browns. It's like, wait, what he's even on the Browns? Like, yeah,

1405
01:10:27,520 --> 01:10:29,000
Speaker 2: he's on the Browns. So there are two ways to

1406
01:10:29,000 --> 01:10:33,120
Speaker 2: think about this. You could say, well, how how well

1407
01:10:33,160 --> 01:10:35,840
Speaker 2: is he gonna play? This is the first start, Like

1408
01:10:35,920 --> 01:10:40,360
Speaker 2: doesn't even know these guys, right, but he's at least.

1409
01:10:40,640 --> 01:10:42,920
Speaker 1: Capable of starting, I think right now.

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01:10:43,000 --> 01:10:46,280
Speaker 2: Over dtr who is not a starting quarterback in the

1411
01:10:46,400 --> 01:10:49,439
Speaker 2: NFL at this stage, just as not. So you look

1412
01:10:49,439 --> 01:10:51,599
Speaker 2: at that. Maybe the Browns it helps him out a bit.

1413
01:10:51,640 --> 01:10:55,800
Speaker 2: There's a terrible Ravens pass defense. The team totals are,

1414
01:10:55,840 --> 01:10:58,400
Speaker 2: which what's interesting to me too. The Browns are at

1415
01:10:58,520 --> 01:11:01,040
Speaker 2: ten and a half. Are they over or under just

1416
01:11:01,120 --> 01:11:04,800
Speaker 2: their team total? Ravens at thirty and a half. If

1417
01:11:04,800 --> 01:11:08,880
Speaker 2: the Browns could somehow score like thirteen points, they might

1418
01:11:09,160 --> 01:11:10,880
Speaker 2: they might be the right side in this thing.

1419
01:11:10,960 --> 01:11:13,439
Speaker 1: Twenty points is a ton in an NFL game.

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01:11:13,600 --> 01:11:18,640
Speaker 3: Completely agree, completely, agree because remember where John Harbaugh is

1421
01:11:18,760 --> 01:11:22,360
Speaker 3: a veteran coach in a league where style points do

1422
01:11:22,479 --> 01:11:26,040
Speaker 3: not matter. Now, does he have a player who could

1423
01:11:26,160 --> 01:11:27,040
Speaker 3: use a touchdown?

1424
01:11:27,560 --> 01:11:28,160
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1425
01:11:28,240 --> 01:11:32,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, But if he doesn't score a touchdown, Johnny looks

1426
01:11:32,439 --> 01:11:35,840
Speaker 3: a lot better to ownership because, I mean, while they

1427
01:11:35,880 --> 01:11:38,639
Speaker 3: got it in Baltimore, there's no question about it, nobody's

1428
01:11:38,680 --> 01:11:41,000
Speaker 3: poor in the NFL if there, if you're owning an

1429
01:11:41,080 --> 01:11:43,639
Speaker 3: NFL team, you don't mind paying out a five hundred

1430
01:11:43,720 --> 01:11:48,679
Speaker 3: thousand dollars incentive because a player earned an incentive, that's fine.

1431
01:11:48,720 --> 01:11:51,639
Speaker 3: Derek Henry has improved the Baltimore Ravens lot this year.

1432
01:11:52,240 --> 01:11:54,360
Speaker 4: However, if John Harbaugh gets.

1433
01:11:54,120 --> 01:11:59,280
Speaker 3: The W and doesn't end up costing the Baltimore Ravens

1434
01:11:59,280 --> 01:12:02,080
Speaker 3: half a mill, I think nobody's gonna be upset at

1435
01:12:02,160 --> 01:12:06,360
Speaker 3: him upstairs. Then you look at the Lamar Jackson MVP campaign.

1436
01:12:07,080 --> 01:12:09,400
Speaker 3: If he only plays a half and he has video

1437
01:12:09,479 --> 01:12:12,679
Speaker 3: game numbers against the Browns, that looks good for John

1438
01:12:12,720 --> 01:12:15,439
Speaker 3: Harbaugh too, and for Lamar. And then you get to

1439
01:12:15,520 --> 01:12:18,280
Speaker 3: rest your starters. And like you said, like Seamus said too,

1440
01:12:18,960 --> 01:12:20,840
Speaker 3: you could see the Brown steak in the back door.

1441
01:12:20,920 --> 01:12:24,000
Speaker 3: I think twenty points is astounding. That's probably gonna come

1442
01:12:24,080 --> 01:12:25,840
Speaker 3: up later on in Rapid Fire.

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01:12:25,920 --> 01:12:29,760
Speaker 1: Okay, oh yeah, I think the Lamar MVP angle is

1444
01:12:29,800 --> 01:12:31,960
Speaker 1: an intriguing reason to keep him in the game. I

1445
01:12:32,080 --> 01:12:32,640
Speaker 1: honestly do.

1446
01:12:32,800 --> 01:12:34,680
Speaker 5: And I think based on what we've seen from some

1447
01:12:34,720 --> 01:12:37,599
Speaker 5: of these guys, they want their like they want their

1448
01:12:37,640 --> 01:12:40,160
Speaker 5: guys to win this award, and this is of all

1449
01:12:40,200 --> 01:12:42,280
Speaker 5: the races, of all the awards, I think that's the

1450
01:12:42,320 --> 01:12:44,439
Speaker 5: one that I don't know, Like, I don't know who's

1451
01:12:44,439 --> 01:12:46,160
Speaker 5: gonna win the MVP. I honestly don't. I think he

1452
01:12:46,200 --> 01:12:49,439
Speaker 5: can make a good case for both guys. Lamar Josh

1453
01:12:49,520 --> 01:12:52,519
Speaker 5: Allen's gonna win the MVP. Probably. I think that's where

1454
01:12:52,560 --> 01:12:54,600
Speaker 5: I would vote. But I do think there's still a

1455
01:12:54,640 --> 01:12:56,960
Speaker 5: little meat left on the bone today and tomorrow.

1456
01:12:57,720 --> 01:13:01,200
Speaker 2: Whether you know, you can make argument it should be Lamar.

1457
01:13:01,439 --> 01:13:04,479
Speaker 2: Totally understand that, but you will win it. It's gonna

1458
01:13:04,479 --> 01:13:06,840
Speaker 2: be Josh Allen. Josh Allen is winning the You.

1459
01:13:06,800 --> 01:13:08,120
Speaker 1: Seem really sure about that.

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01:13:08,160 --> 01:13:10,080
Speaker 5: We should get into that because I want to know

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01:13:10,120 --> 01:13:11,080
Speaker 5: why you're so sure.

1462
01:13:11,520 --> 01:13:13,439
Speaker 2: Well, I'll get into it in a little bit here,

1463
01:13:13,439 --> 01:13:15,559
Speaker 2: but you go, you know, Jared, I am all about

1464
01:13:15,560 --> 01:13:16,920
Speaker 2: clock integrity.

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01:13:16,479 --> 01:13:16,840
Speaker 4: My friend.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we've got so much. I don't care about that.

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Speaker 1: Jared, we start with you, what's something you like today?

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01:14:48,040 --> 01:14:50,880
Speaker 5: Well, you know we're going contract incentive in some capacity.

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01:14:51,040 --> 01:14:53,000
Speaker 5: We talked about this with Seamus and a couple of

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01:14:53,000 --> 01:14:55,240
Speaker 5: segments ago, Like it's just it's hard to find value

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01:14:55,280 --> 01:14:57,320
Speaker 5: because the books know about this too, So you've got

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01:14:57,320 --> 01:14:59,080
Speaker 5: to kind of reef between the lines and dig a

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01:14:59,120 --> 01:15:01,840
Speaker 5: little deeper. So we're gonna go Geno Smith here, and

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01:15:02,000 --> 01:15:05,440
Speaker 5: Gino is not really going for a big contract incentive

1501
01:15:05,920 --> 01:15:07,120
Speaker 5: minus passing yards.

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01:15:07,160 --> 01:15:08,960
Speaker 1: He needs one hundred and eighty five to hit two million.

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01:15:09,200 --> 01:15:11,040
Speaker 5: But if you kind of take the big picture of

1504
01:15:11,080 --> 01:15:14,280
Speaker 5: this game, where the Seahawks are a favorite, the Rams

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01:15:14,360 --> 01:15:16,000
Speaker 5: arresting all their starters.

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01:15:15,880 --> 01:15:18,000
Speaker 1: And Gino is going to be pass happy.

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01:15:18,160 --> 01:15:20,080
Speaker 5: So instead of going to the yards, which again is

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01:15:20,120 --> 01:15:22,120
Speaker 5: in like the two forty range, not a ton of

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01:15:22,160 --> 01:15:23,840
Speaker 5: value there if he only needs one to eighty five,

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01:15:24,080 --> 01:15:26,439
Speaker 5: let's focus on the tuddies because over one and a

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01:15:26,439 --> 01:15:29,320
Speaker 5: half passing touchdowns is very reasonably priced because it's not

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01:15:29,479 --> 01:15:32,400
Speaker 5: a contract incentive. And if you think Gino's going to

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01:15:32,439 --> 01:15:34,640
Speaker 5: be throwing the ball, well, then it makes sense that

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01:15:34,720 --> 01:15:37,439
Speaker 5: maybe one or hopefully two of them find the end zone.

1515
01:15:37,439 --> 01:15:39,160
Speaker 5: Now he's only done this two times this year. The

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01:15:39,160 --> 01:15:41,559
Speaker 5: irony is one of them was against the Rams. It

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01:15:41,600 --> 01:15:43,400
Speaker 5: was way back in Week nine. Actually, he's done it

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01:15:43,439 --> 01:15:45,920
Speaker 5: three times this year. One of them in Week nine

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01:15:45,920 --> 01:15:49,040
Speaker 5: against the Rams. It was a season high three touchdown passes.

1520
01:15:49,840 --> 01:15:52,040
Speaker 5: No Kenneth Walker. The running game a little bit depleted.

1521
01:15:52,120 --> 01:15:55,040
Speaker 5: It feels like Geno throwing it is going to be

1522
01:15:55,120 --> 01:15:57,840
Speaker 5: the story of this game against a very, you know,

1523
01:15:58,160 --> 01:16:01,479
Speaker 5: not lackluster Rams unit not really trying to play for much.

1524
01:16:01,280 --> 01:16:01,720
Speaker 1: In this one.

1525
01:16:01,760 --> 01:16:04,400
Speaker 5: So Gino Smith over one and a half passing touchdowns

1526
01:16:04,400 --> 01:16:05,160
Speaker 5: over at MGM.

1527
01:16:05,439 --> 01:16:07,639
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna go with this.

1528
01:16:08,120 --> 01:16:11,920
Speaker 3: Michael Pennix, Junior Tuddy, Time for my.

1529
01:16:11,920 --> 01:16:15,240
Speaker 4: Prop it up. I do you know what, I've really

1530
01:16:15,400 --> 01:16:16,040
Speaker 4: liked the way.

1531
01:16:15,880 --> 01:16:18,320
Speaker 3: He's played over the past couple of weeks. Weeks I'm

1532
01:16:18,400 --> 01:16:21,519
Speaker 3: doubling down on this. There are other incentive props that

1533
01:16:21,520 --> 01:16:24,120
Speaker 3: we're gonna get to and I think Jared and I

1534
01:16:24,200 --> 01:16:28,000
Speaker 3: have some time to divulge all of those at some

1535
01:16:28,120 --> 01:16:30,920
Speaker 3: point in this show, because we're all over the map

1536
01:16:30,960 --> 01:16:32,320
Speaker 3: with with a crazy parlay.

1537
01:16:32,360 --> 01:16:33,439
Speaker 4: I love it so much.

1538
01:16:33,920 --> 01:16:37,880
Speaker 3: But but yeah, this Michael Pennock junior guy, I think

1539
01:16:37,920 --> 01:16:40,439
Speaker 3: he's gonna be a special talent at the league level.

1540
01:16:40,760 --> 01:16:43,000
Speaker 3: I think the game's gonna start slowing down for him,

1541
01:16:43,120 --> 01:16:47,519
Speaker 3: especially against inferior competition like this Carolina Panthers this week.

1542
01:16:47,840 --> 01:16:49,880
Speaker 4: I feel like if he has more time to operate in.

1543
01:16:49,840 --> 01:16:53,160
Speaker 3: The pocket, we're gonna see him clicking with this offense

1544
01:16:53,400 --> 01:16:55,280
Speaker 3: and get over that one and a half touchdown mark.

1545
01:16:55,360 --> 01:16:57,120
Speaker 4: So give me Michael Pennick Junior.

1546
01:16:58,640 --> 01:17:02,880
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm worried about that one, Rich, I'm gonna be honest.

1547
01:17:03,200 --> 01:17:06,599
Speaker 1: Come on, what's wrong with Penix against Penis this week?

1548
01:17:06,680 --> 01:17:09,280
Speaker 2: I don't have anything against Pennix. I'm just worried about

1549
01:17:09,280 --> 01:17:12,679
Speaker 2: the matchup. Like Carolina can't stop the rush at all.

1550
01:17:13,520 --> 01:17:16,880
Speaker 2: Bjhon Robinson scoring a couple of rushing touchdowns or doing

1551
01:17:16,920 --> 01:17:19,320
Speaker 2: a lot of work on the ground. That worries me.

1552
01:17:19,880 --> 01:17:22,280
Speaker 2: A field goal is obviously getting your way, you know,

1553
01:17:22,600 --> 01:17:26,240
Speaker 2: but if you got a big lead late, why are

1554
01:17:26,280 --> 01:17:27,320
Speaker 2: you throwing it at all.

1555
01:17:27,720 --> 01:17:31,160
Speaker 1: You know, Pix's thing that worries me is the matchup.

1556
01:17:31,439 --> 01:17:33,000
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, I get. I get what you're saying.

1557
01:17:33,000 --> 01:17:37,559
Speaker 3: And also you're you're you're playing with playoff hopes too. Yeah,

1558
01:17:37,560 --> 01:17:41,000
Speaker 3: so there there's a there's a lot of exterior factors

1559
01:17:41,040 --> 01:17:42,200
Speaker 3: that make your argument.

1560
01:17:42,520 --> 01:17:43,240
Speaker 4: But I don't know.

1561
01:17:43,280 --> 01:17:45,120
Speaker 5: I just like until the Bucks go up forty on

1562
01:17:45,160 --> 01:17:47,160
Speaker 5: the Saints and it's like it doesn't matter anymore about this.

1563
01:17:47,280 --> 01:17:49,479
Speaker 2: Let's do this, Rich I'll give you my pick and

1564
01:17:49,520 --> 01:17:53,400
Speaker 2: then you just hate on it for you know Ballace.

1565
01:17:53,720 --> 01:17:59,200
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, okay, So here it is.

1566
01:17:59,240 --> 01:18:03,080
Speaker 2: I'm going with Jared Goff his longest completion over thirty

1567
01:18:03,120 --> 01:18:06,559
Speaker 2: five and a half. Because Vikings pass defense hasn't been good.

1568
01:18:06,560 --> 01:18:09,439
Speaker 2: It's gonna be a shootout. I can absolutely see a

1569
01:18:09,479 --> 01:18:13,320
Speaker 2: deep ball the Jamison Williams or aman Rod gets loose,

1570
01:18:13,680 --> 01:18:16,360
Speaker 2: Jamiir Gibbs pops the screen. We had to get to

1571
01:18:16,400 --> 01:18:19,760
Speaker 2: a thirty six yard completion. I think it's happening for

1572
01:18:19,880 --> 01:18:23,080
Speaker 2: Jared Goff. You tell me why it's absolutely not gonna happen.

1573
01:18:23,120 --> 01:18:24,439
Speaker 1: I like that, Actually I do.

1574
01:18:24,680 --> 01:18:27,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, I do think that. And also I'll it's gonna

1575
01:18:27,760 --> 01:18:29,760
Speaker 3: be a close game, and I agree with you. It

1576
01:18:29,760 --> 01:18:32,080
Speaker 3: could be shootout territory. There could be a lot of

1577
01:18:32,160 --> 01:18:36,080
Speaker 3: throwing in this game, both sides. So actually I can't

1578
01:18:36,120 --> 01:18:38,000
Speaker 3: hate on this, I really can.

1579
01:18:38,120 --> 01:18:40,160
Speaker 1: Are you ready for the Are you ready for the Kaffer?

1580
01:18:40,280 --> 01:18:42,240
Speaker 5: I have one note on the Lions game today, and

1581
01:18:42,280 --> 01:18:45,160
Speaker 5: it's Jared Goff torching the blitz this year at thirteen tudies,

1582
01:18:45,200 --> 01:18:47,799
Speaker 5: four picks, seventy six percent of justed accuracy rate, two.

1583
01:18:47,680 --> 01:18:50,400
Speaker 1: Point five second time to throw right, he eats up

1584
01:18:50,439 --> 01:18:50,920
Speaker 1: the blitz.

1585
01:18:51,240 --> 01:18:51,760
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1586
01:18:51,800 --> 01:18:55,760
Speaker 2: How about my other prop, bet Riley Leonard. Whatever is

1587
01:18:55,880 --> 01:18:59,000
Speaker 2: passing yardage is against State, Ham.

1588
01:18:58,960 --> 01:19:01,920
Speaker 4: Or the over complete?

1589
01:19:04,840 --> 01:19:11,240
Speaker 3: I draw the line here, Yeah, under, that's just for

1590
01:19:11,400 --> 01:19:12,160
Speaker 3: dramatic effect.

1591
01:19:12,240 --> 01:19:13,559
Speaker 4: I'm not saying that all right.

1592
01:19:13,600 --> 01:19:15,920
Speaker 2: Coming up next, we need to remind you of a

1593
01:19:16,000 --> 01:19:19,280
Speaker 2: scenario that might be completely off your radar right now.

1594
01:19:21,800 --> 01:19:24,320
Speaker 2: Oh what is going on? Everybody? We have got you

1595
01:19:24,560 --> 01:19:29,000
Speaker 2: covered over here. Week eighteen of the NFL College football

1596
01:19:29,120 --> 01:19:30,600
Speaker 2: still to discuss.

1597
01:19:31,040 --> 01:19:31,640
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what.

1598
01:19:32,439 --> 01:19:35,599
Speaker 2: There might be something that's completely off your radar right now.

1599
01:19:36,080 --> 01:19:40,320
Speaker 2: In the midst of Ohio State's dominance, Jeremiah Smith. Their

1600
01:19:40,320 --> 01:19:44,960
Speaker 2: wide receiver is sensational. They just crushed Oregon by twenty points.

1601
01:19:45,200 --> 01:19:47,839
Speaker 1: They're on a roll. You hear all these comments.

1602
01:19:47,880 --> 01:19:50,800
Speaker 2: I don't think anybody beats Ohio State when they play

1603
01:19:50,840 --> 01:19:53,439
Speaker 2: their best, and that's probably true, but we don't know

1604
01:19:53,439 --> 01:19:56,080
Speaker 2: if they're going to play their best going forward. Here

1605
01:19:56,200 --> 01:19:59,599
Speaker 2: here's something that might be off your radar completely. If

1606
01:19:59,680 --> 01:20:03,760
Speaker 2: Ryan they loses to Texas, he is getting fired. That's

1607
01:20:03,880 --> 01:20:06,800
Speaker 2: just the truth of the matter here. Really, Yes, they

1608
01:20:06,840 --> 01:20:12,880
Speaker 2: can't be overwhelming favorites against Texas and lose And oh,

1609
01:20:12,920 --> 01:20:16,160
Speaker 2: by the way, we're just suddenly reminded of well you

1610
01:20:16,280 --> 01:20:18,400
Speaker 2: lost to Michigan just a couple of weeks ago.

1611
01:20:18,520 --> 01:20:20,840
Speaker 1: Again as well, Like.

1612
01:20:20,800 --> 01:20:24,080
Speaker 2: This might be completely off the radar, but I am

1613
01:20:24,320 --> 01:20:28,760
Speaker 2: absolutely telling you if they lose as huge favorites after

1614
01:20:28,800 --> 01:20:32,960
Speaker 2: they've been so dominant, the disappointment factor will be through

1615
01:20:33,520 --> 01:20:36,000
Speaker 2: the freaking roof. I don't think he survives if he

1616
01:20:36,080 --> 01:20:38,080
Speaker 2: loses to Texas. I don't at all.

1617
01:20:38,720 --> 01:20:39,439
Speaker 4: I'm going to.

1618
01:20:41,200 --> 01:20:48,240
Speaker 3: File it under not entirely impossible, but improbable that that's

1619
01:20:48,280 --> 01:20:53,400
Speaker 3: the outcome. However, I will argue in all things style

1620
01:20:53,479 --> 01:20:56,439
Speaker 3: points matter in college football, So the way you lose

1621
01:20:56,520 --> 01:21:00,720
Speaker 3: to Texas I think is going to be a huge determination.

1622
01:21:00,880 --> 01:21:03,080
Speaker 4: If that outcome is met.

1623
01:21:03,240 --> 01:21:07,680
Speaker 3: I feel like if they lose a close games as favorites,

1624
01:21:08,320 --> 01:21:09,160
Speaker 3: that's one thing.

1625
01:21:09,400 --> 01:21:12,040
Speaker 4: If they get their doors blown off them.

1626
01:21:12,200 --> 01:21:14,920
Speaker 3: If they go out there and somehow get embarrassed by

1627
01:21:15,000 --> 01:21:18,599
Speaker 3: Texas and you know it isn't because of some fluky

1628
01:21:18,640 --> 01:21:22,760
Speaker 3: thing like you know, you know, heaven forbid an injury

1629
01:21:22,880 --> 01:21:26,400
Speaker 3: or injuries to major players on Ohio State, but they

1630
01:21:26,439 --> 01:21:31,120
Speaker 3: just get flat out outplayed out, schemed out, game planned,

1631
01:21:31,160 --> 01:21:34,240
Speaker 3: what have you. Then, yeah, I could see a louder

1632
01:21:34,320 --> 01:21:37,880
Speaker 3: argument for that, especially after the disappointment in the regular

1633
01:21:37,920 --> 01:21:42,559
Speaker 3: season against Michigan, especially given his record against that team

1634
01:21:42,640 --> 01:21:46,599
Speaker 3: up north, all those things, right, I really, I really

1635
01:21:46,640 --> 01:21:48,280
Speaker 3: do feel like it's improbable.

1636
01:21:48,320 --> 01:21:52,439
Speaker 5: Though I agree I and I think it's more about

1637
01:21:52,520 --> 01:21:53,800
Speaker 5: quinn yours than anything else.

1638
01:21:54,160 --> 01:21:55,680
Speaker 4: I really was.

1639
01:21:55,960 --> 01:21:58,919
Speaker 5: That was the biggest part of that game with Texas

1640
01:21:58,960 --> 01:22:02,559
Speaker 5: that was really disappointed, was how quinn Ewers played against

1641
01:22:02,560 --> 01:22:05,840
Speaker 5: an Arizona State defense that just was not was not

1642
01:22:05,920 --> 01:22:06,639
Speaker 5: ready to play.

1643
01:22:06,760 --> 01:22:08,720
Speaker 1: I mean, I would take that back. They were ready to.

1644
01:22:08,640 --> 01:22:12,880
Speaker 5: Play, They're just the talent gap was so big and

1645
01:22:13,400 --> 01:22:16,400
Speaker 5: Texas just I mean, it was the Lollipop Guild out there,

1646
01:22:16,439 --> 01:22:19,080
Speaker 5: like yours was just out there, you know, tossing little

1647
01:22:19,439 --> 01:22:22,599
Speaker 5: little cherry bombs out there, and and Arizona State made

1648
01:22:22,600 --> 01:22:24,280
Speaker 5: some really nice plays on it, to be fair, but

1649
01:22:24,640 --> 01:22:27,360
Speaker 5: I think what will prevent a blowout in this game

1650
01:22:27,479 --> 01:22:30,759
Speaker 5: is Quinn yours and just how conserved. Like if Texas

1651
01:22:30,800 --> 01:22:33,080
Speaker 5: goes up big, they're not gonna keep pouring it on,

1652
01:22:33,520 --> 01:22:37,800
Speaker 5: Like Texas will throttle down, play with their food, just

1653
01:22:37,840 --> 01:22:40,519
Speaker 5: like they did against Arizona State, and Ohio State will

1654
01:22:40,520 --> 01:22:42,679
Speaker 5: come back and make it a game. I don't see

1655
01:22:42,680 --> 01:22:46,040
Speaker 5: a scenario where Texas wins big. Now, you can make

1656
01:22:46,080 --> 01:22:48,519
Speaker 5: the case that it doesn't matter Texas wins big, Texas

1657
01:22:48,520 --> 01:22:49,040
Speaker 5: wins small.

1658
01:22:49,160 --> 01:22:50,160
Speaker 1: Ryan Day gets fired.

1659
01:22:50,400 --> 01:22:53,400
Speaker 5: It's not an argument I've heard yet, Brian, Like, I

1660
01:22:53,439 --> 01:22:56,479
Speaker 5: feel like the warden called after the Tennessee game and

1661
01:22:56,560 --> 01:22:58,400
Speaker 5: kind of got Ryan Day off the hook, and then

1662
01:22:58,600 --> 01:23:00,679
Speaker 5: they were playing with I know, you the house money

1663
01:23:00,720 --> 01:23:04,439
Speaker 5: turn but like they they they looked like they were

1664
01:23:04,479 --> 01:23:07,360
Speaker 5: playing with no fear, no like completely loose. In that

1665
01:23:07,400 --> 01:23:09,639
Speaker 5: game against Oregon, there was no tightness, all of that

1666
01:23:09,760 --> 01:23:13,360
Speaker 5: tightness and the you know, the the tight sphincter vibes

1667
01:23:13,400 --> 01:23:16,360
Speaker 5: that we were getting with Michigan in that game, it

1668
01:23:16,400 --> 01:23:18,679
Speaker 5: was like it was all gone. After they beat Tennessee

1669
01:23:18,760 --> 01:23:21,160
Speaker 5: and kind of, you know, kind of exercise some demons.

1670
01:23:21,160 --> 01:23:23,240
Speaker 5: So I don't know if I agree that he's gonna

1671
01:23:23,280 --> 01:23:25,120
Speaker 5: get fired if they lose the game. Now, if they

1672
01:23:25,120 --> 01:23:26,840
Speaker 5: do get well, if I don't see the scenario where

1673
01:23:26,840 --> 01:23:28,840
Speaker 5: they get blown out, but if it does happen, that

1674
01:23:28,960 --> 01:23:31,160
Speaker 5: changes the argument. But if they lose a game like

1675
01:23:31,200 --> 01:23:33,320
Speaker 5: twenty four to twenty one, you really think he still

1676
01:23:33,320 --> 01:23:33,840
Speaker 5: gets fired?

1677
01:23:33,960 --> 01:23:39,120
Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely, yes, because that's the thing is. It's funny

1678
01:23:39,120 --> 01:23:42,959
Speaker 2: with Ohio State, how we're just in completely different spots

1679
01:23:43,120 --> 01:23:47,360
Speaker 2: week by week. Like if we rewind after the Michigan loss,

1680
01:23:48,439 --> 01:23:52,760
Speaker 2: he was on death row right after that loss, and

1681
01:23:52,800 --> 01:23:55,040
Speaker 2: it was like, the only thing that's gonna save this

1682
01:23:55,120 --> 01:23:57,439
Speaker 2: guy is if he wins a title. And now we

1683
01:23:57,560 --> 01:24:00,080
Speaker 2: fast forward to the here and now and we're going

1684
01:24:00,120 --> 01:24:03,479
Speaker 2: into a semi final game, and it's like, wait a minute,

1685
01:24:03,520 --> 01:24:07,320
Speaker 2: you can see a scenario where if he loses to Texas,

1686
01:24:07,360 --> 01:24:12,240
Speaker 2: he's gone. Really hell, yes, I do, absolute freaking lutely,

1687
01:24:12,840 --> 01:24:16,840
Speaker 2: because they've been so dominant the last two weeks. They

1688
01:24:16,960 --> 01:24:21,320
Speaker 2: just punked an undefeated number one team in Oregon by

1689
01:24:21,360 --> 01:24:25,080
Speaker 2: twenty points, and that's one of those scores where I

1690
01:24:25,120 --> 01:24:29,400
Speaker 2: think it was worse than that final score indicates. And

1691
01:24:29,439 --> 01:24:34,360
Speaker 2: you go from that to losing against Texas, who's lucky

1692
01:24:34,400 --> 01:24:37,559
Speaker 2: to be here. You know, if the targeting penalty is called,

1693
01:24:37,600 --> 01:24:40,000
Speaker 2: they might not survive. They have to convert fourth and

1694
01:24:40,160 --> 01:24:43,000
Speaker 2: thirteen to get to where they are, and that's the

1695
01:24:43,080 --> 01:24:44,880
Speaker 2: team who takes Ohio State down.

1696
01:24:45,479 --> 01:24:46,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, I listen.

1697
01:24:47,240 --> 01:24:49,640
Speaker 2: I would favor Ohio State to win the game. But

1698
01:24:49,720 --> 01:24:51,960
Speaker 2: that's why I bring this up is it's probably not

1699
01:24:52,000 --> 01:24:54,800
Speaker 2: even on your radar. Ohio State could lose this game,

1700
01:24:54,800 --> 01:24:57,479
Speaker 2: and if they do, I think Ryan Day is gone.

1701
01:24:58,320 --> 01:25:02,599
Speaker 3: I think the drum beats certainly get louder amongst members

1702
01:25:02,640 --> 01:25:06,280
Speaker 3: of the fan base and potentially even decision makers around

1703
01:25:06,320 --> 01:25:10,120
Speaker 3: that program. But I don't think he gets fired. I

1704
01:25:11,400 --> 01:25:15,000
Speaker 3: think that that program has a little bit of what

1705
01:25:15,640 --> 01:25:20,040
Speaker 3: certain football franchises in the NFL and college football programs

1706
01:25:20,080 --> 01:25:22,960
Speaker 3: have when they've had it too good for too long,

1707
01:25:23,720 --> 01:25:27,160
Speaker 3: Like they just they don't understand how lucky they are,

1708
01:25:27,600 --> 01:25:31,360
Speaker 3: Like they really don't like And this is fans get

1709
01:25:31,439 --> 01:25:34,600
Speaker 3: spoiled sometimes, and you know the old staying. You know,

1710
01:25:34,680 --> 01:25:38,280
Speaker 3: pigs get fed, hogs get slaughtered. When all of a sudden,

1711
01:25:38,320 --> 01:25:40,559
Speaker 3: you look at Ryan Day, who has done nothing but

1712
01:25:40,680 --> 01:25:44,280
Speaker 3: win and win and win for you after the Urban

1713
01:25:44,360 --> 01:25:48,840
Speaker 3: Meyer years, like and you say, yeah, there's gotta be

1714
01:25:49,000 --> 01:25:51,160
Speaker 3: greener grass on the other side of this fence. I mean,

1715
01:25:51,360 --> 01:25:55,839
Speaker 3: we gotta find a way to beat Michigan. I would assume,

1716
01:25:55,880 --> 01:25:58,720
Speaker 3: I would imagine cooler heads would prevail. But we've seen

1717
01:25:58,800 --> 01:26:01,880
Speaker 3: this time and time again, and history has repeated itself

1718
01:26:02,120 --> 01:26:06,040
Speaker 3: where a winning coach is exiled because he's not winning

1719
01:26:06,040 --> 01:26:08,080
Speaker 3: against the right teams or at the right time of

1720
01:26:08,120 --> 01:26:11,719
Speaker 3: the year, and then dark days follow. I mean, Ohio

1721
01:26:11,720 --> 01:26:14,320
Speaker 3: State is sitting at the top of the college football

1722
01:26:14,439 --> 01:26:22,600
Speaker 3: mountain right now, I would say, with so much changing underfoot,

1723
01:26:23,160 --> 01:26:29,839
Speaker 3: with you know how nil and whatever else, transfer portal

1724
01:26:30,160 --> 01:26:35,040
Speaker 3: and TV rights deals and conference realignment all happening now,

1725
01:26:35,160 --> 01:26:38,280
Speaker 3: you're gonna change the face of your program program now.

1726
01:26:38,840 --> 01:26:43,040
Speaker 3: Unless there is some sort of personal feuding or vendetta

1727
01:26:43,160 --> 01:26:46,880
Speaker 3: against Ryan Day, I'm unaware of that's happening behind the scenes.

1728
01:26:47,400 --> 01:26:50,080
Speaker 3: I think they keep his job because you need some

1729
01:26:50,080 --> 01:26:53,800
Speaker 3: stability in a program, especially in one that's having success.

1730
01:26:54,160 --> 01:26:58,800
Speaker 5: I agree with Rich I think, and I understand the

1731
01:26:58,920 --> 01:27:00,880
Speaker 5: arguments because I have them all the time with my

1732
01:27:00,920 --> 01:27:01,639
Speaker 5: Pennce Day friends.

1733
01:27:01,720 --> 01:27:04,040
Speaker 4: Oh big game James and we got to fire. Who

1734
01:27:04,040 --> 01:27:05,639
Speaker 4: are you hiring to replace him?

1735
01:27:06,240 --> 01:27:06,800
Speaker 1: Is the key?

1736
01:27:07,600 --> 01:27:12,639
Speaker 5: And I think stability matters in college football because there's

1737
01:27:12,760 --> 01:27:16,400
Speaker 5: no there is none elsewhere in the sport like and

1738
01:27:16,520 --> 01:27:19,479
Speaker 5: so to throw a team through upeople like that for

1739
01:27:19,560 --> 01:27:23,360
Speaker 5: a loss. I I hope it doesn't happen because I'm

1740
01:27:23,360 --> 01:27:26,040
Speaker 5: probably betting Ohio State in the game, but I'd be

1741
01:27:26,080 --> 01:27:28,080
Speaker 5: interested to see if they did lose a close game

1742
01:27:28,800 --> 01:27:31,400
Speaker 5: how that would play out, because personally, and I'm wrong

1743
01:27:31,439 --> 01:27:32,960
Speaker 5: all the freaking times, so I don't take what I

1744
01:27:33,000 --> 01:27:35,000
Speaker 5: say as gospel. I have no inside information on who

1745
01:27:35,000 --> 01:27:37,679
Speaker 5: gets fired, who gets hired. I'm I'm at the whim

1746
01:27:38,000 --> 01:27:39,720
Speaker 5: and the mercy of the news cycle, just like most

1747
01:27:39,760 --> 01:27:39,960
Speaker 5: of you.

1748
01:27:40,080 --> 01:27:40,919
Speaker 4: I'm not an insider.

1749
01:27:41,360 --> 01:27:44,880
Speaker 5: But that would be a shocking story for me, Like

1750
01:27:44,920 --> 01:27:47,599
Speaker 5: if I like if they if the game's on Friday,

1751
01:27:47,640 --> 01:27:50,160
Speaker 5: they lose, and I wake up on Saturday morning we're

1752
01:27:50,200 --> 01:27:51,640
Speaker 5: doing this show and I have an alert on my

1753
01:27:51,680 --> 01:27:53,200
Speaker 5: phone that says Ryan Day fired.

1754
01:27:53,800 --> 01:27:55,880
Speaker 1: I would be shocked. I really would be shocked.

1755
01:27:55,880 --> 01:27:57,599
Speaker 2: It wouldn't be an alert, it would be a screen

1756
01:27:57,640 --> 01:27:59,880
Speaker 2: shot for me saying that right day.

1757
01:28:00,840 --> 01:28:03,240
Speaker 5: And you would have every right to take your victory

1758
01:28:03,320 --> 01:28:06,960
Speaker 5: lap because this is like a long shot. Like I

1759
01:28:07,200 --> 01:28:10,120
Speaker 5: think if I were to price this now again, if

1760
01:28:10,160 --> 01:28:12,360
Speaker 5: the game is a blowout, all bets are off. But

1761
01:28:12,560 --> 01:28:14,880
Speaker 5: let's say it's a tight game and Ohio State just

1762
01:28:14,920 --> 01:28:17,760
Speaker 5: comes up short, I would still price it as a

1763
01:28:17,800 --> 01:28:20,080
Speaker 5: long shot for Ryan Day to get fired. So if

1764
01:28:20,120 --> 01:28:22,200
Speaker 5: you're right, then yeah, you should take your victory lap

1765
01:28:22,200 --> 01:28:23,040
Speaker 5: for cashing your ticket.

1766
01:28:23,800 --> 01:28:24,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just think that.

1767
01:28:25,320 --> 01:28:29,920
Speaker 2: Listen, all this this idea about stability, and I would

1768
01:28:29,920 --> 01:28:32,400
Speaker 2: like to pick that apart for a second. Okay, okay,

1769
01:28:32,560 --> 01:28:34,800
Speaker 2: what are we talking about with stability here? I would

1770
01:28:34,840 --> 01:28:39,280
Speaker 2: look at underachieving. Again, this is all based on an if. Listen,

1771
01:28:39,960 --> 01:28:43,640
Speaker 2: Ohio State has the best shot to win a national championship,

1772
01:28:43,680 --> 01:28:44,840
Speaker 2: and they very well might.

1773
01:28:45,760 --> 01:28:47,720
Speaker 1: They should win a national championship.

1774
01:28:47,760 --> 01:28:51,120
Speaker 2: And I think that's why this becomes intriguing is if

1775
01:28:51,160 --> 01:28:53,120
Speaker 2: they don't, what's the fallout.

1776
01:28:53,680 --> 01:28:55,439
Speaker 1: I would look at Ryan Day again.

1777
01:28:55,960 --> 01:28:59,640
Speaker 2: If they don't win a championship, and especially if they

1778
01:28:59,760 --> 01:29:04,840
Speaker 2: lost to Texas, it would be so disappointing. And this

1779
01:29:05,160 --> 01:29:07,360
Speaker 2: like stability thing, where are we talking about a bunch

1780
01:29:07,360 --> 01:29:09,320
Speaker 2: of big ten wins? I think Ohio State would look

1781
01:29:09,320 --> 01:29:11,320
Speaker 2: at it and say they would look at it less

1782
01:29:11,360 --> 01:29:15,000
Speaker 2: as like a stable guy in Ryan Day, and more

1783
01:29:15,040 --> 01:29:18,080
Speaker 2: so a guy that's holding them back. We can't beat Michigan,

1784
01:29:18,439 --> 01:29:21,120
Speaker 2: we haven't won a title. We just lost in the

1785
01:29:21,160 --> 01:29:23,840
Speaker 2: semi final to Texas, who was lucky to be here.

1786
01:29:24,920 --> 01:29:27,120
Speaker 2: We can't find someone else who can beat Maryland in

1787
01:29:27,200 --> 01:29:29,479
Speaker 2: Northwestern Really, he's the only guy.

1788
01:29:29,960 --> 01:29:31,160
Speaker 1: I don't think they would.

1789
01:29:30,960 --> 01:29:32,800
Speaker 2: Look at this is the way we got to keep

1790
01:29:32,800 --> 01:29:39,120
Speaker 2: this stabilizing force. What if they lost in the Natty

1791
01:29:39,760 --> 01:29:44,800
Speaker 2: same thing game, Yeah thing I think Ryan Day, I

1792
01:29:44,800 --> 01:29:47,639
Speaker 2: think even more so against Texas in the semi finals,

1793
01:29:47,640 --> 01:29:48,840
Speaker 2: like you didn't get there.

1794
01:29:49,000 --> 01:29:52,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I would agree with that point that there's

1795
01:29:52,439 --> 01:29:56,439
Speaker 3: a higher probability yeah, being fired if he loses in

1796
01:29:56,479 --> 01:29:59,040
Speaker 3: the semi final or the national championship.

1797
01:29:59,040 --> 01:30:02,120
Speaker 4: But I still file it all all under unlikely. And

1798
01:30:02,120 --> 01:30:02,439
Speaker 4: and to.

1799
01:30:02,400 --> 01:30:06,280
Speaker 3: Push back a little bit on the stability and the

1800
01:30:06,320 --> 01:30:10,360
Speaker 3: cultural piece of this. You know, James Franklin, for all,

1801
01:30:10,400 --> 01:30:14,000
Speaker 3: he isn't what he is is an incredible recruiter. Yeah,

1802
01:30:14,000 --> 01:30:18,200
Speaker 3: and both in the high school recruitment and development of players,

1803
01:30:18,200 --> 01:30:22,640
Speaker 3: but also in the transfer portal, Ryan Day, Sam, you know,

1804
01:30:23,520 --> 01:30:26,840
Speaker 3: for everything, James Franklin isn't as as far as a

1805
01:30:26,840 --> 01:30:29,600
Speaker 3: head coach. What he is is a great builder of staffs.

1806
01:30:29,960 --> 01:30:34,679
Speaker 3: He's surrounded that program with real both from the playing field,

1807
01:30:34,720 --> 01:30:39,080
Speaker 3: but also from the coaching staff, real NFL talent, and

1808
01:30:39,240 --> 01:30:41,639
Speaker 3: UH and and uh and and.

1809
01:30:41,600 --> 01:30:45,080
Speaker 4: Collegiate high level collegiate talent in his coaching staff.

1810
01:30:45,120 --> 01:30:48,160
Speaker 3: Ryan Day has done the same now and and I

1811
01:30:48,200 --> 01:30:51,559
Speaker 3: think Penn State fans and Ohio State fans have been

1812
01:30:51,600 --> 01:30:55,800
Speaker 3: poisoned with a little bit of the same uh over

1813
01:30:55,880 --> 01:30:59,240
Speaker 3: abundance of of you know, it's like, hey, you know,

1814
01:30:59,320 --> 01:31:03,400
Speaker 3: maybe one whiskey good, maybe ten shots whiskey not so good.

1815
01:31:04,000 --> 01:31:06,720
Speaker 3: I think they've they've dipped their hand into the honeypot

1816
01:31:06,800 --> 01:31:10,679
Speaker 3: so many times. It's like they don't realize how sweet

1817
01:31:10,720 --> 01:31:14,400
Speaker 3: that first taste was. And when you get away from

1818
01:31:14,400 --> 01:31:16,519
Speaker 3: the honeypot, when all of a sudden you bring in

1819
01:31:16,560 --> 01:31:18,720
Speaker 3: a guy who's not a good recruiter, who all of

1820
01:31:18,720 --> 01:31:21,479
Speaker 3: a sudden changes the culture, who isn't a good builder

1821
01:31:21,520 --> 01:31:25,240
Speaker 3: of staff, who isn't a good developer of talent, that

1822
01:31:25,280 --> 01:31:29,160
Speaker 3: comes into the program, dark days follow, and it's really

1823
01:31:29,240 --> 01:31:33,840
Speaker 3: hard to undo that type of stuff. So I'm not saying, Brian,

1824
01:31:34,160 --> 01:31:38,160
Speaker 3: I'm not saying it's it's way outside the lexicon of

1825
01:31:38,320 --> 01:31:42,599
Speaker 3: potential happenings in college football over the next month or two.

1826
01:31:42,800 --> 01:31:46,160
Speaker 3: I'm not saying it's impossible. I just file it under unlikely.

1827
01:31:46,240 --> 01:31:51,880
Speaker 3: Because of how transitive this whole system has become. You

1828
01:31:52,000 --> 01:31:53,559
Speaker 3: do need a stabilizing force.

1829
01:31:54,240 --> 01:31:54,439
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1830
01:31:54,760 --> 01:31:56,880
Speaker 5: I think the timing of it too, because of the

1831
01:31:57,120 --> 01:31:59,439
Speaker 5: transfer portal and everything. Like, it's really tough.

1832
01:31:59,280 --> 01:32:01,000
Speaker 1: To fire your coach this late in the process.

1833
01:32:01,200 --> 01:32:03,719
Speaker 5: Like it's like we're late, Like we're talking about almost

1834
01:32:03,840 --> 01:32:06,519
Speaker 5: you know, starting the spring practice already. You know, in

1835
01:32:06,640 --> 01:32:10,000
Speaker 5: twenty twenty five, most teams they end the season in December.

1836
01:32:10,280 --> 01:32:12,639
Speaker 5: Most teams that fire their coach don't make a bowl game,

1837
01:32:12,680 --> 01:32:16,120
Speaker 5: don't make the National Championship, don't make the Collegeable Playoff

1838
01:32:16,120 --> 01:32:19,120
Speaker 5: semi finals. Where we're this late in the process, and

1839
01:32:19,160 --> 01:32:21,240
Speaker 5: so you have to always spin it back, and I

1840
01:32:21,240 --> 01:32:24,000
Speaker 5: always this is always what we gravitate. Trust me, if

1841
01:32:24,000 --> 01:32:25,760
Speaker 5: you don't think we've had this conversation in my Penn

1842
01:32:25,800 --> 01:32:28,040
Speaker 5: Day group chat about James Franklin over the last decade.

1843
01:32:28,120 --> 01:32:30,760
Speaker 5: It's like the most popular thing we talk about. But

1844
01:32:30,920 --> 01:32:33,639
Speaker 5: I always go back to the same point, who are

1845
01:32:33,680 --> 01:32:35,080
Speaker 5: we hiring to replace him?

1846
01:32:35,080 --> 01:32:38,240
Speaker 2: It's always somebody, but like, all right, so I give

1847
01:32:38,240 --> 01:32:39,400
Speaker 2: you carte blanche, Brian.

1848
01:32:39,520 --> 01:32:43,200
Speaker 5: You can pick any coach now he has to be available.

1849
01:32:43,240 --> 01:32:44,720
Speaker 5: He can't be like the head coach of Like he

1850
01:32:44,760 --> 01:32:46,800
Speaker 5: can't be like, you know, a current head coach.

1851
01:32:47,160 --> 01:32:49,519
Speaker 1: It would be a correctly, it would be a perfect twist.

1852
01:32:50,000 --> 01:32:53,360
Speaker 2: Is if Ohio State canned Ryan Day and hire Franklin

1853
01:32:53,439 --> 01:32:54,920
Speaker 2: and hired Lou Holtz.

1854
01:32:57,720 --> 01:32:59,519
Speaker 4: Each other? That great?

1855
01:32:59,720 --> 01:33:02,080
Speaker 5: But like I don't know, like I'm trying to wrap

1856
01:33:02,120 --> 01:33:06,080
Speaker 5: my head around who Ohio State could hire that could

1857
01:33:06,240 --> 01:33:09,320
Speaker 5: raise the bar that's a currently available be willing to

1858
01:33:09,320 --> 01:33:11,519
Speaker 5: take the job, see you know, Like it just I

1859
01:33:11,520 --> 01:33:14,360
Speaker 5: feel like that pool is so small you're trying to

1860
01:33:14,400 --> 01:33:17,200
Speaker 5: hit a moving target when you're on a high speed train.

1861
01:33:17,280 --> 01:33:18,599
Speaker 1: There's there's really like one.

1862
01:33:18,840 --> 01:33:21,479
Speaker 2: I mean, like like who's That's where I differ with

1863
01:33:21,520 --> 01:33:24,840
Speaker 2: you guys. Is again based on an if if they

1864
01:33:24,880 --> 01:33:27,440
Speaker 2: lose to Texas, if they don't win a national championship.

1865
01:33:27,680 --> 01:33:29,160
Speaker 1: I don't think the bar is as high as you

1866
01:33:29,240 --> 01:33:30,080
Speaker 1: guys think it is.

1867
01:33:30,520 --> 01:33:33,040
Speaker 2: I just don't you lose to Michigan all the time,

1868
01:33:33,160 --> 01:33:36,960
Speaker 2: you don't win championships, like you are huge favorites and

1869
01:33:37,000 --> 01:33:38,200
Speaker 2: you still didn't get it done.

1870
01:33:38,280 --> 01:33:41,200
Speaker 1: How high is the bar? Exactly like what Ryan Day.

1871
01:33:41,120 --> 01:33:43,680
Speaker 2: Is again if and I hate to keep bringing this

1872
01:33:43,800 --> 01:33:46,960
Speaker 2: up because I'm putting it in this space where I'm

1873
01:33:46,960 --> 01:33:49,680
Speaker 2: like he's getting fired. It's he's getting fired if he

1874
01:33:49,720 --> 01:33:53,320
Speaker 2: doesn't come through, which he should. If he doesn't come through,

1875
01:33:53,640 --> 01:33:55,760
Speaker 2: he's the Mario Christoball of the Midwest.

1876
01:33:55,960 --> 01:33:56,640
Speaker 1: That's what he is.

1877
01:33:56,720 --> 01:33:59,280
Speaker 2: He's a guy who can recruit real well and can't

1878
01:33:59,280 --> 01:34:01,560
Speaker 2: get it done and can't win and can't beat the

1879
01:34:01,640 --> 01:34:02,160
Speaker 2: rival and.

1880
01:34:02,120 --> 01:34:03,280
Speaker 1: Can't can't, can't, can't.

1881
01:34:03,479 --> 01:34:06,240
Speaker 2: That's not good enough at the Ohio State and they're

1882
01:34:06,240 --> 01:34:09,160
Speaker 2: gonna look to improve instead of looking to just be

1883
01:34:09,800 --> 01:34:12,040
Speaker 2: average at best. They're a little bit better than average.

1884
01:34:12,080 --> 01:34:15,519
Speaker 2: They want excellence, they don't want better than average. And

1885
01:34:15,560 --> 01:34:18,759
Speaker 2: that's exactly what he'll be if he doesn't win at all, oh.

1886
01:34:18,600 --> 01:34:23,280
Speaker 4: Man, I mean. And look, pride comes before the fall.

1887
01:34:23,880 --> 01:34:24,200
Speaker 4: I mean.

1888
01:34:24,360 --> 01:34:29,600
Speaker 3: And so if there are any Ohio State upper echelon

1889
01:34:29,880 --> 01:34:34,519
Speaker 3: donors or decision makers who are listening to countdown this

1890
01:34:34,600 --> 01:34:37,679
Speaker 3: morning right here on Fox Sports Radio, heed my warning.

1891
01:34:38,200 --> 01:34:42,320
Speaker 3: If you think you're too good for Ryan Day, there

1892
01:34:42,360 --> 01:34:45,000
Speaker 3: could be dark days ahead. I'm don't get me wrong,

1893
01:34:45,120 --> 01:34:48,080
Speaker 3: Don't get me wrong. Ryan Day has his flaws. I'm

1894
01:34:48,080 --> 01:34:51,240
Speaker 3: not I don't even know the guy. Like I've listened

1895
01:34:51,280 --> 01:34:55,800
Speaker 3: to his press conferences. Obviously we cover him as analysts

1896
01:34:55,920 --> 01:34:58,559
Speaker 3: watching and covering college football, but.

1897
01:34:58,920 --> 01:34:59,879
Speaker 4: I don't know him personally.

1898
01:35:00,080 --> 01:35:02,800
Speaker 3: I don't know, again, if there's any infighting, or if

1899
01:35:02,800 --> 01:35:06,080
Speaker 3: there's any feuding, or if there's any you know, issues

1900
01:35:06,120 --> 01:35:09,120
Speaker 3: that have you know, roiled up behind the scenes that

1901
01:35:09,160 --> 01:35:12,519
Speaker 3: maybe all of us are blissfully unaware of on the outside.

1902
01:35:12,560 --> 01:35:15,400
Speaker 3: We just have the information that we have to go

1903
01:35:15,479 --> 01:35:18,040
Speaker 3: with on the outside looking in, and the information I

1904
01:35:18,120 --> 01:35:21,960
Speaker 3: have just from the standpoint of watching a guy create

1905
01:35:22,040 --> 01:35:25,880
Speaker 3: a culture, especially after you know, kind of a catastrophic

1906
01:35:25,960 --> 01:35:30,040
Speaker 3: finish to the former head coach, and and keeping some

1907
01:35:30,200 --> 01:35:34,560
Speaker 3: semblance of winning as he put his fingerprint on the program,

1908
01:35:34,840 --> 01:35:37,360
Speaker 3: and recruiting as he put his fingerprint on the program,

1909
01:35:37,400 --> 01:35:42,360
Speaker 3: and development of players and real NFL talent, and continuing,

1910
01:35:42,840 --> 01:35:46,799
Speaker 3: you know, sort of the faucet of you know, double

1911
01:35:46,800 --> 01:35:49,240
Speaker 3: digit win season after double digit win season. I mean,

1912
01:35:49,240 --> 01:35:51,800
Speaker 3: it's been wide open since he's been there. I get it.

1913
01:35:51,800 --> 01:35:55,480
Speaker 3: It may not be up to everyone's standards, but goodness, gracious,

1914
01:35:55,560 --> 01:35:58,599
Speaker 3: we've seen this so many times before. You always look

1915
01:35:58,640 --> 01:36:02,240
Speaker 3: over the fence and you own. We see a better

1916
01:36:02,280 --> 01:36:04,479
Speaker 3: tended flower bed and think, well, that could be our

1917
01:36:04,600 --> 01:36:06,759
Speaker 3: yard too. Not so fast.

1918
01:36:07,280 --> 01:36:08,799
Speaker 4: We've seen this mistake before.

1919
01:36:09,880 --> 01:36:12,679
Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't have much to add besides the fact

1920
01:36:12,680 --> 01:36:15,760
Speaker 5: that I still don't know who, Like I need to

1921
01:36:15,760 --> 01:36:19,040
Speaker 5: see a list of candidates, Like if I if I

1922
01:36:19,040 --> 01:36:20,759
Speaker 5: look at a list of candidates and I'm like.

1923
01:36:20,920 --> 01:36:23,120
Speaker 2: If you saw Ryan Day as the candidate, you drug

1924
01:36:23,160 --> 01:36:23,719
Speaker 2: your shoulders.

1925
01:36:23,760 --> 01:36:28,240
Speaker 1: Also when he took over initially, Yeah, I mean I

1926
01:36:28,280 --> 01:36:30,240
Speaker 1: don't remember what I was thinking when he took over.

1927
01:36:30,280 --> 01:36:31,560
Speaker 1: To be fair, I don't remember that.

1928
01:36:31,680 --> 01:36:33,720
Speaker 2: You are never like, oh, he's taking a lookout man,

1929
01:36:33,800 --> 01:36:35,240
Speaker 2: Ryan Day is gonna do special things.

1930
01:36:35,280 --> 01:36:40,000
Speaker 5: Also, hate I'm always biased everything they do with you, Brian,

1931
01:36:40,080 --> 01:36:40,840
Speaker 5: I promise you.

1932
01:36:40,920 --> 01:36:43,320
Speaker 3: Like there are so many examples of this through that,

1933
01:36:43,439 --> 01:36:46,400
Speaker 3: throughout the history of the NFL or college football. And

1934
01:36:46,439 --> 01:36:48,360
Speaker 3: the reason why I said NFL first because the first

1935
01:36:48,439 --> 01:36:50,880
Speaker 3: name that came to my mind was Sean McVay, who

1936
01:36:51,000 --> 01:36:55,200
Speaker 3: was like basically a child taking over a professional franchise.

1937
01:36:55,240 --> 01:36:58,560
Speaker 3: Wo was he, you know, just outside his twenties, And

1938
01:36:58,880 --> 01:37:00,439
Speaker 3: I was like, how is this gonna work?

1939
01:37:00,479 --> 01:37:02,400
Speaker 4: How is he gonna lead men at that level?

1940
01:37:02,560 --> 01:37:05,840
Speaker 3: Guys who on the field have more playing experience than

1941
01:37:05,880 --> 01:37:08,640
Speaker 3: he has coaching experience, and he found a way. So

1942
01:37:09,120 --> 01:37:12,040
Speaker 3: I'm not saying it's impossible for him to be replaced

1943
01:37:12,320 --> 01:37:14,840
Speaker 3: and for Ohio State to continue on a good path.

1944
01:37:15,160 --> 01:37:17,200
Speaker 3: But I'm saying it's unlikely he gets fired, and it's

1945
01:37:17,280 --> 01:37:19,679
Speaker 3: unlikely that they replace him with somebody better.

1946
01:37:20,120 --> 01:37:23,840
Speaker 1: Everybody can be replaced. Everybody can be replaced. Yeah, we

1947
01:37:23,920 --> 01:37:24,360
Speaker 1: got to move.

1948
01:37:24,400 --> 01:37:27,920
Speaker 2: But I'll say this real fast is it's not that

1949
01:37:28,080 --> 01:37:31,800
Speaker 2: Ohio State is too good for Ryan Day. It's that again,

1950
01:37:31,840 --> 01:37:35,759
Speaker 2: if he doesn't win at all, you're striving for better. Okay,

1951
01:37:36,120 --> 01:37:39,160
Speaker 2: like the Chiefs they had Alex Smith, he let the

1952
01:37:39,240 --> 01:37:42,760
Speaker 2: league in passer rating. They wanted to be better than that,

1953
01:37:43,120 --> 01:37:45,240
Speaker 2: and they struck gold with Mahomes. I know that doesn't

1954
01:37:45,240 --> 01:37:47,719
Speaker 2: happen all the time, but they could have been content

1955
01:37:47,760 --> 01:37:51,040
Speaker 2: with something like this guy's good, you're winning, he's doing well.

1956
01:37:51,880 --> 01:37:55,280
Speaker 2: Why try to improve. It'd be like having Kyler Murray.

1957
01:37:55,040 --> 01:37:57,240
Speaker 1: As your quarterback. He's better than average.

1958
01:37:57,280 --> 01:37:59,599
Speaker 2: Where are they going. It's not that they're too good

1959
01:37:59,640 --> 01:38:02,120
Speaker 2: for him, it's that they want to do better. Or

1960
01:38:02,240 --> 01:38:06,040
Speaker 2: or Derek Carr, who's he's better than average. But where

1961
01:38:06,040 --> 01:38:08,800
Speaker 2: are you going? Like you want to be better than

1962
01:38:09,040 --> 01:38:12,000
Speaker 2: just we're above average. And that's the thing. If Ryan

1963
01:38:12,080 --> 01:38:15,840
Speaker 2: Day doesn't win it all, I have no Ohio State

1964
01:38:15,960 --> 01:38:17,639
Speaker 2: should be striving for better.

1965
01:38:18,120 --> 01:38:20,120
Speaker 1: Then hey, we're pretty good. Like we're in a lot

1966
01:38:20,160 --> 01:38:20,559
Speaker 1: of games.

1967
01:38:20,600 --> 01:38:23,479
Speaker 2: You're not winning the games that matter, right, Like, I

1968
01:38:24,360 --> 01:38:26,679
Speaker 2: I mean, State's average forever.

1969
01:38:26,720 --> 01:38:28,040
Speaker 1: Actually, I'd be perfectly fine with that.

1970
01:38:31,320 --> 01:38:34,479
Speaker 2: We got Rich Herenberger, Penn State All American, Jared Smith

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Speaker 1: All right, coming up next, man, we we chopped that

1977
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Speaker 1: up pretty good.

1978
01:38:53,000 --> 01:38:53,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's good.

1979
01:38:53,960 --> 01:38:56,920
Speaker 1: There aren't as many blueberries left for the the other

1980
01:38:57,080 --> 01:38:59,760
Speaker 1: college football matchup you know we'll make.

1981
01:39:00,320 --> 01:39:04,240
Speaker 2: And also it is the game of the week. It

1982
01:39:04,320 --> 01:39:06,559
Speaker 2: might be the game of the year as well. We'll

1983
01:39:06,560 --> 01:39:09,240
Speaker 2: get to that as well. I should say this season,

1984
01:39:09,439 --> 01:39:11,880
Speaker 2: right because of the year, this would be the first

1985
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Speaker 2: week of that's good, good, big.

1986
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Speaker 1: Of that smart there we go. We gotta edit that

1987
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Speaker 1: on the fly.

1988
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Speaker 4: Right there.

1989
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2000
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Speaker 2: we got to hurry it up here because we got

2001
01:40:02,040 --> 01:40:04,439
Speaker 2: to get to a Viking's Lions here. But there's this

2002
01:40:04,600 --> 01:40:08,400
Speaker 2: uh piddly Notre Dame Penn State game to get to.

2003
01:40:08,600 --> 01:40:13,000
Speaker 5: Huh, yeah, you're the first time you've used that word.

2004
01:40:13,040 --> 01:40:15,640
Speaker 2: I think I'm just you know, I don't know, I

2005
01:40:15,640 --> 01:40:18,480
Speaker 2: can't even explain myself. But you'll be there in attendance.

2006
01:40:18,520 --> 01:40:19,800
Speaker 2: Hunch Air and you're going.

2007
01:40:20,040 --> 01:40:23,400
Speaker 5: I listen, when the universe again opens a portal, you

2008
01:40:23,479 --> 01:40:24,519
Speaker 5: have to just walk through it.

2009
01:40:24,560 --> 01:40:27,000
Speaker 1: You have no choice. I am walking through the portal.

2010
01:40:27,920 --> 01:40:29,599
Speaker 1: Hey man, nothing wrong with that.

2011
01:40:29,680 --> 01:40:33,440
Speaker 4: I will what it is, transfer.

2012
01:40:34,840 --> 01:40:38,120
Speaker 5: Transfer portal which radio station wants to pick me up?

2013
01:40:38,920 --> 01:40:41,760
Speaker 2: I will throw out into the UH into the UH

2014
01:40:42,000 --> 01:40:47,559
Speaker 2: atmosphere over here. You know UH that there's nothing worse.

2015
01:40:47,880 --> 01:40:52,639
Speaker 2: There is nothing worse than jumping through all these hoops

2016
01:40:53,400 --> 01:40:56,679
Speaker 2: to go see your team and they don't get it done.

2017
01:40:56,840 --> 01:40:57,559
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying.

2018
01:41:00,280 --> 01:41:02,280
Speaker 1: Before a week before a game, it's a risk I'll

2019
01:41:02,280 --> 01:41:02,960
Speaker 1: never forget.

2020
01:41:03,040 --> 01:41:06,519
Speaker 2: It was the twenty twelve National Championship game Notre Dame

2021
01:41:06,560 --> 01:41:10,120
Speaker 2: against Alabama. Oh, and the girl I was dating at

2022
01:41:10,120 --> 01:41:12,760
Speaker 2: the time, she was before the game came on. She's like,

2023
01:41:12,800 --> 01:41:16,040
Speaker 2: we should be there. It was in Miami also coincidentally, wow,

2024
01:41:16,080 --> 01:41:19,120
Speaker 2: And I'm like, man, we should absolutely be there. And

2025
01:41:19,200 --> 01:41:22,599
Speaker 2: I blinked and Notre Dame was down twenty one nothing

2026
01:41:22,760 --> 01:41:29,280
Speaker 2: and kidding dominated I'm like, well, good thing we're not there,

2027
01:41:29,360 --> 01:41:33,160
Speaker 2: you know, because that's that's all sorts of bad. Now

2028
01:41:33,240 --> 01:41:36,000
Speaker 2: as far as the game goes, I'm curious what you

2029
01:41:36,000 --> 01:41:39,360
Speaker 2: guys think, But I think a lot of this comes

2030
01:41:39,400 --> 01:41:42,920
Speaker 2: down to which team can make its opponent pass more

2031
01:41:42,960 --> 01:41:46,599
Speaker 2: than they want to, because neither passing game is much

2032
01:41:46,640 --> 01:41:47,679
Speaker 2: to write home about.

2033
01:41:48,280 --> 01:41:49,519
Speaker 1: I would give the.

2034
01:41:49,520 --> 01:41:52,880
Speaker 2: Edge to Penn State because they have the Unicorn the

2035
01:41:52,920 --> 01:41:56,519
Speaker 2: freak show over there and Tyler Warren stud tight end.

2036
01:41:56,800 --> 01:42:00,560
Speaker 2: Notre Dame doesn't have that in the passing game, and

2037
01:42:00,920 --> 01:42:03,679
Speaker 2: that's you know me, guys, I've been consistent all year.

2038
01:42:04,000 --> 01:42:06,360
Speaker 2: I don't like their passing game. It hasn't been them yet.

2039
01:42:06,400 --> 01:42:08,719
Speaker 2: I hope it won't, but it absolutely could.

2040
01:42:09,479 --> 01:42:13,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's actually probably the right way to

2041
01:42:13,800 --> 01:42:18,120
Speaker 3: look at this game. Whoever can force the opponent to

2042
01:42:18,240 --> 01:42:21,759
Speaker 3: play left handed. Essentially, there are a lot of ways

2043
01:42:21,800 --> 01:42:25,519
Speaker 3: Ohio State can beat you, right Penn State and Notre Dame,

2044
01:42:25,520 --> 01:42:28,639
Speaker 3: it's kind of they've got their way they beat teams.

2045
01:42:28,760 --> 01:42:31,679
Speaker 3: And for Penn State it's a strong run game, playing

2046
01:42:31,720 --> 01:42:37,040
Speaker 3: great defense and relying on what coldon Nicky has drawn

2047
01:42:37,120 --> 01:42:40,519
Speaker 3: up in the dirt, it seems at times, for their

2048
01:42:40,560 --> 01:42:44,400
Speaker 3: stud tight end and for Notre Dame it is that

2049
01:42:45,120 --> 01:42:52,600
Speaker 3: fierce reliance on dominating time of possession, using a quarterback

2050
01:42:52,640 --> 01:42:54,800
Speaker 3: who when he came into the program. I don't think

2051
01:42:54,800 --> 01:42:57,200
Speaker 3: it was too much acclaim, but who has really played

2052
01:42:58,080 --> 01:43:01,560
Speaker 3: And I'm using this as a compliment, although it's constantly

2053
01:43:01,680 --> 01:43:04,919
Speaker 3: used as I think it's abused as like an insult.

2054
01:43:05,040 --> 01:43:07,720
Speaker 3: He's a good game manager in Riley Leonard. I think

2055
01:43:07,720 --> 01:43:10,400
Speaker 3: he is, and I think he does what he's asked

2056
01:43:10,439 --> 01:43:12,960
Speaker 3: to do. But if you can force either of these

2057
01:43:13,000 --> 01:43:16,920
Speaker 3: teams out of what they like to do, that I

2058
01:43:17,560 --> 01:43:19,400
Speaker 3: think they're dead in the water. I think both of

2059
01:43:19,400 --> 01:43:21,840
Speaker 3: these teams it's the same exit. So I agree one

2060
01:43:21,960 --> 01:43:25,200
Speaker 3: hundred percent with you, Brian. The team that blinks first,

2061
01:43:25,240 --> 01:43:27,799
Speaker 3: that's the team that loses here in terms of getting

2062
01:43:27,800 --> 01:43:30,160
Speaker 3: off script, getting away from what they want to do.

2063
01:43:31,040 --> 01:43:33,760
Speaker 5: Yeah, after the Notre Dame game, I put myself in

2064
01:43:33,760 --> 01:43:35,639
Speaker 5: a bubble and I tried to, you know, think about

2065
01:43:35,640 --> 01:43:39,240
Speaker 5: this game without any bias, and I created four keys

2066
01:43:39,280 --> 01:43:42,200
Speaker 5: to the game that I think are absolutely vital. The

2067
01:43:42,240 --> 01:43:44,439
Speaker 5: first one is Brian's point, and we talked about it

2068
01:43:44,479 --> 01:43:47,439
Speaker 5: briefly about make Riley Leonard a passer. He only attempted

2069
01:43:47,439 --> 01:43:49,960
Speaker 5: twenty four passes for ninety yards against Georgia, way more

2070
01:43:50,040 --> 01:43:52,360
Speaker 5: dangerous with his legs. You have to keep him in

2071
01:43:52,360 --> 01:43:53,880
Speaker 5: the pocket. I think Penn State's going to try to

2072
01:43:53,920 --> 01:43:55,920
Speaker 5: play as much zone as they can. When you play zone,

2073
01:43:56,200 --> 01:43:59,479
Speaker 5: eyes on quarterback, when you play man, your eyes are

2074
01:43:59,600 --> 01:44:01,120
Speaker 5: running with whatever.

2075
01:44:00,840 --> 01:44:03,120
Speaker 1: Defender or whatever offensive player you're running with. So we

2076
01:44:03,160 --> 01:44:05,280
Speaker 1: saw Georgia play zone. It didn't really work that well.

2077
01:44:05,360 --> 01:44:07,519
Speaker 5: Riley Leonard was still a passer, but Notre Dame is

2078
01:44:07,520 --> 01:44:09,800
Speaker 5: still one hundred and twelveth an explosive pass right this season.

2079
01:44:09,840 --> 01:44:11,760
Speaker 5: They don't have the firepower on the outside. You have

2080
01:44:11,800 --> 01:44:14,919
Speaker 5: to figure out a way, as Rich put it so eloquently,

2081
01:44:14,960 --> 01:44:17,320
Speaker 5: to make Notre Dame play left handed. On the other side,

2082
01:44:17,360 --> 01:44:20,920
Speaker 5: Penn State's actually pretty balanced, top fifty in their explosive

2083
01:44:20,960 --> 01:44:24,400
Speaker 5: play rates on both passing and running. So what does

2084
01:44:24,439 --> 01:44:26,800
Speaker 5: Notre Dame decide to take away. I do like Notre

2085
01:44:26,880 --> 01:44:29,240
Speaker 5: Dame's defense. I don't like the fact that Howard Cross

2086
01:44:29,240 --> 01:44:31,479
Speaker 5: got nicked up in the game. We know Riley Mills

2087
01:44:31,520 --> 01:44:34,839
Speaker 5: has already hurt. Their defensive line is thin. Nicholas Singleton

2088
01:44:34,880 --> 01:44:37,280
Speaker 5: and k Tron Allen both averaged over seven yards per

2089
01:44:37,280 --> 01:44:39,400
Speaker 5: carry against Boise. If they can get that running game

2090
01:44:39,439 --> 01:44:42,840
Speaker 5: going and allow Drew Aller to go play action, it

2091
01:44:42,880 --> 01:44:46,160
Speaker 5: makes the nitty lines much more explosive. The two intangibles

2092
01:44:46,640 --> 01:44:47,559
Speaker 5: that I think are keys.

2093
01:44:47,720 --> 01:44:48,240
Speaker 1: Penalties.

2094
01:44:48,400 --> 01:44:51,599
Speaker 5: Pennsate had ten penalties against Boise State tonamental mistakes. Notre

2095
01:44:51,720 --> 01:44:55,920
Speaker 5: Dame ten penalties against Georgia. They lost six expected points

2096
01:44:55,960 --> 01:44:57,920
Speaker 5: due to penalties in that game. If they don't commit

2097
01:44:57,960 --> 01:45:01,040
Speaker 5: the penalties, they probably win by a much wider margins.

2098
01:45:01,040 --> 01:45:04,000
Speaker 5: So whichever team hurts themselves less, obviously is gonna be key,

2099
01:45:04,160 --> 01:45:06,439
Speaker 5: which brings me to the last point, the turnover battle.

2100
01:45:06,640 --> 01:45:08,920
Speaker 5: Notre Dame is actually one of the best turnover margin

2101
01:45:08,960 --> 01:45:12,640
Speaker 5: teams in the country. They won the turnover battle against Georgia.

2102
01:45:12,280 --> 01:45:14,280
Speaker 1: Two to oh. That's probably why they won the game.

2103
01:45:14,479 --> 01:45:16,600
Speaker 5: I think the kick return for a touchdown obviously, the

2104
01:45:16,600 --> 01:45:19,120
Speaker 5: big explosive kind of tilted things as well. But Marcus

2105
01:45:19,160 --> 01:45:21,720
Speaker 5: Freeman out coach Kirby Smart. I did not have that

2106
01:45:21,800 --> 01:45:24,280
Speaker 5: on my Bengo card in the Sugar Bowl. Marcus Freeman

2107
01:45:24,360 --> 01:45:27,720
Speaker 5: out coaching Kirby Smart. So I think those intangibles are

2108
01:45:27,760 --> 01:45:30,680
Speaker 5: obviously going to play a key factor. Turnovers, penalties, and

2109
01:45:30,720 --> 01:45:33,439
Speaker 5: can you make Riley Leonard a thrower and not a runner?

2110
01:45:34,400 --> 01:45:34,760
Speaker 4: You know what?

2111
01:45:34,880 --> 01:45:37,439
Speaker 2: I took all that and I added it up and

2112
01:45:37,800 --> 01:45:41,520
Speaker 2: it came out to Notre Dame twenty Penn State seventeen.

2113
01:45:42,080 --> 01:45:45,240
Speaker 1: Yeah that sounds all. Yeah, well they are two and

2114
01:45:45,280 --> 01:45:46,960
Speaker 1: a half point favorite or one and a half. It's

2115
01:45:47,000 --> 01:45:50,120
Speaker 1: like two right, yeah, yeah, yeah, no, I hear you.

2116
01:45:50,160 --> 01:45:50,360
Speaker 4: Though.

2117
01:45:50,439 --> 01:45:53,840
Speaker 2: It's a lot of this is it's like the Super

2118
01:45:54,240 --> 01:45:56,680
Speaker 2: the Spider Man meme where he's pointing at himself.

2119
01:45:57,200 --> 01:45:58,080
Speaker 1: These are two.

2120
01:45:58,080 --> 01:46:02,519
Speaker 2: Very very similar teams stylistically, roster wise.

2121
01:46:03,000 --> 01:46:07,479
Speaker 1: It's just like the defense that does a.

2122
01:46:07,400 --> 01:46:12,320
Speaker 2: Better job slowing down the opposing team's running game. That's

2123
01:46:12,400 --> 01:46:15,679
Speaker 2: a huge, huge deal. If your Penn State and Ridley

2124
01:46:15,760 --> 01:46:19,679
Speaker 2: Leonard beats you with his arm, you're like, hey, tip

2125
01:46:19,720 --> 01:46:20,479
Speaker 2: part cap to you.

2126
01:46:20,640 --> 01:46:20,880
Speaker 4: Yep.

2127
01:46:21,080 --> 01:46:23,040
Speaker 2: I think it's the same thing with Drew Aller. I

2128
01:46:23,040 --> 01:46:25,759
Speaker 2: think Drew Aller has been a better passer this season,

2129
01:46:25,840 --> 01:46:28,040
Speaker 2: but he's not, you know.

2130
01:46:28,040 --> 01:46:29,599
Speaker 1: Prolific by any stretch.

2131
01:46:29,720 --> 01:46:33,200
Speaker 2: So if you're able to slow down Nicholas Singleton and

2132
01:46:33,280 --> 01:46:36,160
Speaker 2: k Tron Allen, if you're Notre Dame's defense and Aler

2133
01:46:36,320 --> 01:46:39,320
Speaker 2: just has a day throwing it, you're like, hey, we

2134
01:46:39,360 --> 01:46:42,519
Speaker 2: took something away, and we took your strength away and

2135
01:46:42,600 --> 01:46:45,040
Speaker 2: Aler was still good enough. I think that's what it's

2136
01:46:45,040 --> 01:46:47,200
Speaker 2: going to come down to. We gotta shift it, though,

2137
01:46:47,240 --> 01:46:51,800
Speaker 2: to this game the Vikings at the Lions certainly the

2138
01:46:51,840 --> 01:46:55,120
Speaker 2: game of the season thus far. And you're talking to

2139
01:46:55,360 --> 01:46:59,480
Speaker 2: fourteen and two teams that are meeting for the division

2140
01:46:59,800 --> 01:47:05,400
Speaker 2: and the one seed in the NFC, which is NBC

2141
01:47:05,600 --> 01:47:09,200
Speaker 2: is just like chef's kiss. This is beautiful Sunday night football.

2142
01:47:09,200 --> 01:47:09,760
Speaker 4: You kidding me?

2143
01:47:11,600 --> 01:47:15,600
Speaker 2: Look, man, this Lions team is so banged up, but

2144
01:47:17,000 --> 01:47:20,760
Speaker 2: it is. I just feel like so many people are

2145
01:47:20,800 --> 01:47:24,560
Speaker 2: on the Viking side where I'm like going into Detroit

2146
01:47:24,880 --> 01:47:29,200
Speaker 2: and taking the division and taking the one seed from them,

2147
01:47:29,240 --> 01:47:33,599
Speaker 2: even as banged up as they are. You cannot undersell that.

2148
01:47:34,080 --> 01:47:36,599
Speaker 2: And every time I listen to someone, they're like, Vikings, Oh,

2149
01:47:36,720 --> 01:47:38,400
Speaker 2: give me Vikings plus three all day.

2150
01:47:38,439 --> 01:47:40,600
Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't know. Something tells me it's not

2151
01:47:40,640 --> 01:47:41,479
Speaker 1: gonna be that easy.

2152
01:47:41,920 --> 01:47:46,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, Well listen, last time they met. Yeah, David

2153
01:47:46,200 --> 01:47:50,240
Speaker 3: Montgomery he's on the ir now. So that's different for

2154
01:47:50,320 --> 01:47:54,360
Speaker 3: the Lions. Last time they met the Lions, probably I

2155
01:47:54,400 --> 01:47:57,840
Speaker 3: would argue you had a handful more players on their

2156
01:47:57,920 --> 01:48:00,839
Speaker 3: roster fully healthy than they do now. This is completely

2157
01:48:00,880 --> 01:48:05,080
Speaker 3: different looking roster this time around, which I again, we

2158
01:48:05,160 --> 01:48:09,160
Speaker 3: always look at that as a detraction for the team

2159
01:48:09,240 --> 01:48:12,800
Speaker 3: that's missing pieces. Sometimes it can play a role as

2160
01:48:12,800 --> 01:48:15,400
Speaker 3: a benefit because when you don't have a lot of

2161
01:48:15,439 --> 01:48:19,639
Speaker 3: tape on certain players, you don't have an idea of

2162
01:48:20,080 --> 01:48:23,880
Speaker 3: if they've unlocked their full potential or talent. And that

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01:48:23,960 --> 01:48:26,080
Speaker 3: certainly can be the case for some of the players

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01:48:26,200 --> 01:48:29,960
Speaker 3: on the Lions rosters. The second time around for the Vikings,

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01:48:30,640 --> 01:48:34,360
Speaker 3: Here's what I'll say. This to me is one of

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01:48:34,400 --> 01:48:38,040
Speaker 3: the hardest games to predict because there's so much emotion

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01:48:38,200 --> 01:48:41,960
Speaker 3: tied to it. These are such evenly matched teams when

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01:48:42,000 --> 01:48:45,639
Speaker 3: you look at their offensive schemes versus their defensive schemes.

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01:48:46,560 --> 01:48:51,000
Speaker 3: Just that alone, the bullyball that the Detroit Lions want

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01:48:51,040 --> 01:48:55,519
Speaker 3: to impose versus the blitz heavy Vikings defense that Brian

2171
01:48:55,600 --> 01:48:59,200
Speaker 3: Floores mans, it's gonna be that matchup. I think that

2172
01:48:59,280 --> 01:49:03,439
Speaker 3: determines that b Flow on the Vikings side against Ben

2173
01:49:03,520 --> 01:49:07,920
Speaker 3: Johnson b Joe on the Detroit Lions side. I think

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01:49:07,920 --> 01:49:12,000
Speaker 3: it's I think it's going to be an outstanding game.

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01:49:12,560 --> 01:49:15,720
Speaker 3: And and that does you know, as a prelude to this,

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01:49:15,800 --> 01:49:19,200
Speaker 3: we were talking about it earlier, it does have shootout

2177
01:49:19,320 --> 01:49:22,400
Speaker 3: vibes written all over it because Golf handles the blitz well.

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01:49:22,439 --> 01:49:26,680
Speaker 3: The Lions have a good blitz plan offensively, and you

2179
01:49:26,800 --> 01:49:28,919
Speaker 3: know the Vikings aren't going to back off the blitz.

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01:49:29,160 --> 01:49:32,120
Speaker 3: And Sam Darnold's been dealing. He had that trough in

2181
01:49:32,160 --> 01:49:34,679
Speaker 3: the middle of the season, but he's finished this season strong.

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01:49:35,040 --> 01:49:37,519
Speaker 3: He's been dealing. So the Vikings aren't afraid and ken

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01:49:37,680 --> 01:49:42,920
Speaker 3: score points, especially against a injury savage Detroit defense. So

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01:49:43,280 --> 01:49:46,480
Speaker 3: I could see this being a game where the overhits

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01:49:46,520 --> 01:49:48,240
Speaker 3: by by miles potentially.

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01:49:48,840 --> 01:49:51,479
Speaker 5: Yeah, and that's the only thing the market knows about

2187
01:49:51,479 --> 01:49:55,960
Speaker 5: this game. The market thinks agrees with Rich like over City.

2188
01:49:56,080 --> 01:49:58,479
Speaker 5: I mean, this total open fifty one and a half.

2189
01:49:58,520 --> 01:50:00,920
Speaker 5: We're up to fifty six. Now, that's a really high

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01:50:00,920 --> 01:50:03,439
Speaker 5: total in the NFL. In the first game had sixty

2191
01:50:03,439 --> 01:50:05,479
Speaker 5: points in it. So again, it's not like this thing

2192
01:50:05,520 --> 01:50:07,880
Speaker 5: can't fly over with both teams getting into the thirties.

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01:50:07,920 --> 01:50:10,519
Speaker 5: I think, Bino, you and I were in the We're

2194
01:50:10,560 --> 01:50:12,720
Speaker 5: at the Angle when we were watching that thirty four

2195
01:50:12,720 --> 01:50:15,479
Speaker 5: to thirty one Lions Packers a shoot back and forth.

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01:50:15,520 --> 01:50:17,719
Speaker 5: I mean that that feels like the kind of score

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01:50:17,760 --> 01:50:21,600
Speaker 5: we're going to see in this game. The number for

2198
01:50:21,680 --> 01:50:25,280
Speaker 5: the spread's been just magnetized, just locked into three pretty

2199
01:50:25,360 --> 01:50:27,560
Speaker 5: much the whole week. I think if you see a

2200
01:50:27,640 --> 01:50:30,960
Speaker 5: two and a half, you bet Detroit. If you see

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01:50:31,000 --> 01:50:32,800
Speaker 5: a three and a half, which you won't, but if

2202
01:50:32,880 --> 01:50:36,719
Speaker 5: you do, you bet Minnesota. Like it, just any any movement,

2203
01:50:36,760 --> 01:50:40,559
Speaker 5: any inch off of that key number of three, you're

2204
01:50:40,600 --> 01:50:43,360
Speaker 5: going to see professional money come in on either side

2205
01:50:43,479 --> 01:50:44,160
Speaker 5: of this game.

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01:50:44,520 --> 01:50:46,200
Speaker 1: You just kind of let the market decide.

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01:50:46,200 --> 01:50:51,080
Speaker 5: And usually what I've noticed in these standalone, high profile,

2208
01:50:51,360 --> 01:50:55,040
Speaker 5: high leverage game super Bowls, playoff, you know, AFC Championship

2209
01:50:55,360 --> 01:50:59,439
Speaker 5: tight types of games, the public usually has its say,

2210
01:50:59,760 --> 01:51:03,640
Speaker 5: meaning for the most part, it's the respected betters that

2211
01:51:03,760 --> 01:51:06,040
Speaker 5: shape the market. If you know the public and bet

2212
01:51:06,120 --> 01:51:08,439
Speaker 5: millions of dollars, and then one respected better puts down

2213
01:51:08,479 --> 01:51:10,000
Speaker 5: a buck on a game, and they're gonna move the

2214
01:51:10,040 --> 01:51:11,920
Speaker 5: number based off of his action and not the public.

2215
01:51:12,240 --> 01:51:15,000
Speaker 5: But in this case, you make exceptions for these types

2216
01:51:15,040 --> 01:51:18,200
Speaker 5: of high profile games, national championship, super Bowls, standalone games

2217
01:51:18,200 --> 01:51:21,400
Speaker 5: that have this kind of meaning. We might see the

2218
01:51:21,439 --> 01:51:23,960
Speaker 5: public really like Minnesota on game day, probably not. They've

2219
01:51:23,960 --> 01:51:26,840
Speaker 5: been chalky this year. My guess is we just stay

2220
01:51:26,880 --> 01:51:28,840
Speaker 5: locked into three the whole time. But if we don't,

2221
01:51:29,240 --> 01:51:31,639
Speaker 5: if we don't stay locked on the three and you see,

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01:51:31,680 --> 01:51:33,280
Speaker 5: you wake up on Sunday morning and all of a sudden,

2223
01:51:33,280 --> 01:51:34,679
Speaker 5: this is two and a half or three and a half.

2224
01:51:35,479 --> 01:51:38,479
Speaker 5: That's when I would just fade whatever half point movement

2225
01:51:38,680 --> 01:51:41,120
Speaker 5: it takes, because the value is on whatever number you

2226
01:51:41,160 --> 01:51:42,400
Speaker 5: get on the right side of three.

2227
01:51:42,439 --> 01:51:44,120
Speaker 1: You always want to be on the right side of three.

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01:51:44,400 --> 01:51:47,880
Speaker 2: Really curious to see how Sam Darnold plays, because I

2229
01:51:48,040 --> 01:51:49,840
Speaker 2: think you guys would probably agree with this, But it

2230
01:51:49,960 --> 01:51:54,080
Speaker 2: just feels like, even though he's played fantastic all season long,

2231
01:51:54,720 --> 01:51:58,120
Speaker 2: just one slip up and everybody's ready to pout. It's like, see,

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01:51:58,160 --> 01:52:00,759
Speaker 2: I told you that's why I couldn't buy a Darnold

2233
01:52:00,760 --> 01:52:01,880
Speaker 2: like it didn't buy any of.

2234
01:52:01,840 --> 01:52:04,800
Speaker 1: This season, YadA YadA. Yeaha. It just feels like they're

2235
01:52:04,840 --> 01:52:05,599
Speaker 1: ready to pounce.

2236
01:52:06,160 --> 01:52:08,639
Speaker 2: But I'm curious to see how he plays real fast

2237
01:52:08,720 --> 01:52:11,040
Speaker 2: before we move on to our picks. Jared, I wanted

2238
01:52:11,040 --> 01:52:13,840
Speaker 2: to pay it off because you asked me, Hey, why

2239
01:52:13,880 --> 01:52:16,200
Speaker 2: do you think Josh Allen's going to be the MVP

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01:52:16,360 --> 01:52:17,479
Speaker 2: over Lamar Jackson.

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01:52:18,240 --> 01:52:20,480
Speaker 1: I think it's a spread the wealth type situation.

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01:52:20,640 --> 01:52:24,400
Speaker 2: That's a fair fact. Voter fatigue, yeah, voter fatigue.

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01:52:23,880 --> 01:52:27,560
Speaker 5: And doesn't matter you at all that the Ravens destroyed

2244
01:52:28,000 --> 01:52:28,720
Speaker 5: the Bills.

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01:52:28,400 --> 01:52:28,960
Speaker 4: Early this year.

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01:52:29,080 --> 01:52:31,800
Speaker 1: No, it doesn't, it does it, because here's the thing.

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01:52:33,000 --> 01:52:33,960
Speaker 1: How did they do it?

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01:52:33,960 --> 01:52:36,640
Speaker 2: It was running the ball between the tackles, yes, you

2249
01:52:36,720 --> 01:52:39,679
Speaker 2: know what I mean, and just absolutely road grading them.

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Speaker 1: And that's the thing.

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01:52:40,960 --> 01:52:46,160
Speaker 2: Lamar Jackson gained Derrick Henry like Josh Allen lost Stefan

2252
01:52:46,280 --> 01:52:49,479
Speaker 2: Diggs and he's still putting up MVP numbers. But that's

2253
01:52:49,520 --> 01:52:52,439
Speaker 2: the thing, man, is the thing that sucks. It should

2254
01:52:52,520 --> 01:52:54,840
Speaker 2: only be about twenty twenty four. It should only be

2255
01:52:54,880 --> 01:52:58,160
Speaker 2: about that season. But if Josh Allen were a two

2256
01:52:58,200 --> 01:53:01,759
Speaker 2: time MVP and Lamar was yet to win one, Lamar

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01:53:01,800 --> 01:53:03,040
Speaker 2: would be unanimous.

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01:53:03,240 --> 01:53:07,120
Speaker 1: And that's what sucks about it. Yeah, but Josh Allen

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01:53:07,240 --> 01:53:09,559
Speaker 1: is more than just that. But that's a big part

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01:53:09,600 --> 01:53:09,800
Speaker 1: of it.

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01:53:09,840 --> 01:53:12,200
Speaker 5: That's why I agree with your assess. I think Josh

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01:53:12,280 --> 01:53:14,760
Speaker 5: Allen deserves to win it. I wouldn't be shocked if

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01:53:14,800 --> 01:53:16,680
Speaker 5: Lamar won it, but I do think Josh Allen will

2264
01:53:16,720 --> 01:53:16,960
Speaker 5: win it.

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01:53:17,040 --> 01:53:17,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree.

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01:53:18,200 --> 01:53:21,719
Speaker 2: We got Rich Hornberger, Penn State All American, Jared Smith

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Speaker 2: got you covered in less than ten minutes. Hey, we

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01:54:45,520 --> 01:54:46,280
Speaker 2: got some picks to make.

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Speaker 1: Let's do it.

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01:54:50,840 --> 01:54:51,680
Speaker 4: Rapid fire.

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01:54:52,600 --> 01:54:55,000
Speaker 1: Okay, Jared, we start with you. What are you like?

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01:54:55,200 --> 01:54:57,160
Speaker 5: All right, I'll give you a point for next Thursday.

2299
01:54:57,200 --> 01:54:59,000
Speaker 5: I know we've got a long way to go, but

2300
01:54:59,240 --> 01:55:02,240
Speaker 5: I'm on the wrecker. I think Penn State wins next week. Obviously,

2301
01:55:03,360 --> 01:55:06,080
Speaker 5: it's not all biased. I do think the defensive injuries

2302
01:55:06,080 --> 01:55:08,720
Speaker 5: for Notre Dame, especially Riley Mills and maybe even Howard

2303
01:55:08,760 --> 01:55:11,360
Speaker 5: Cross matter. I also think, to Jeremiah Love injury matters.

2304
01:55:11,360 --> 01:55:14,080
Speaker 5: I think the two extra days to prepare matters. And yeah,

2305
01:55:14,120 --> 01:55:16,040
Speaker 5: the rest of it's all Penn State Homer bias. But

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01:55:16,080 --> 01:55:18,320
Speaker 5: now that we've passed that, let's get to some actual,

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01:55:18,400 --> 01:55:19,760
Speaker 5: real NFL picks for this week.

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01:55:19,840 --> 01:55:21,520
Speaker 1: By the way, are you going money line there? Jared

2309
01:55:21,600 --> 01:55:22,400
Speaker 1: plus one and a half.

2310
01:55:22,440 --> 01:55:23,080
Speaker 4: I'll take the plus.

2311
01:55:23,160 --> 01:55:24,920
Speaker 5: It doesn't really matter either way, but I'll take to

2312
01:55:25,000 --> 01:55:26,800
Speaker 5: for the purpose of the show. Hopefully the game lands. Well,

2313
01:55:26,800 --> 01:55:28,280
Speaker 5: actually no, I hope the game does not land.

2314
01:55:28,480 --> 01:55:31,160
Speaker 4: Hope Penn State.

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01:55:31,000 --> 01:55:31,760
Speaker 1: Plus one and a half.

2316
01:55:31,800 --> 01:55:35,120
Speaker 5: There you go, Chiefs Broncos over forty. This is Carson

2317
01:55:35,160 --> 01:55:38,800
Speaker 5: Wentz's Super Bowl. Any argument that the Chiefs are not

2318
01:55:38,880 --> 01:55:40,520
Speaker 5: going to want to try to win this game with

2319
01:55:40,600 --> 01:55:42,839
Speaker 5: Carson Wentz, I know they're resting a lot of backups,

2320
01:55:42,840 --> 01:55:44,600
Speaker 5: but you're telling me that those backups that are by

2321
01:55:44,640 --> 01:55:46,800
Speaker 5: the way, backups on the best team in the NFL

2322
01:55:46,880 --> 01:55:49,240
Speaker 5: number one seed, aren't good football players and aren't trying

2323
01:55:49,240 --> 01:55:52,160
Speaker 5: to play that whole you know, argument that the players

2324
01:55:52,160 --> 01:55:53,840
Speaker 5: are just mailing it in this week. They're all trying

2325
01:55:53,840 --> 01:55:57,200
Speaker 5: to play, Carson Wentz included, and the Broncos defensive struggled lately,

2326
01:55:57,200 --> 01:55:59,480
Speaker 5: gave up to big numbers for the Chargers, gave up

2327
01:55:59,480 --> 01:56:01,440
Speaker 5: a big number to the Bengals last week. They have

2328
01:56:01,480 --> 01:56:04,200
Speaker 5: a minus three day rest a disadvantage in this game.

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01:56:04,280 --> 01:56:07,360
Speaker 5: Chiefs played last Wednesday, Broncos played Saturday, So I think

2330
01:56:07,360 --> 01:56:09,760
Speaker 5: their defense a little bit and I'll go over forty,

2331
01:56:09,880 --> 01:56:11,800
Speaker 5: very low total in the game with some good offensive

2332
01:56:11,800 --> 01:56:13,960
Speaker 5: players and then obviously Denver trying to score, and I'll

2333
01:56:13,960 --> 01:56:16,360
Speaker 5: take the Steelers plus two and a half later tonight.

2334
01:56:16,680 --> 01:56:20,040
Speaker 5: Any argument that Pittsburgh is not motivated even if Baltimore

2335
01:56:20,080 --> 01:56:22,400
Speaker 5: wins the AFC North in the early window is just

2336
01:56:22,480 --> 01:56:25,240
Speaker 5: lying to you, because if Pittsburgh loses and the Chargers

2337
01:56:25,240 --> 01:56:28,080
Speaker 5: win tomorrow, that means Pittsburgh gets the sixth seed, which

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01:56:28,120 --> 01:56:30,320
Speaker 5: means they have to play at Baltimore in the Walkcard

2339
01:56:30,400 --> 01:56:31,440
Speaker 5: round and not at Houston.

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01:56:31,720 --> 01:56:32,640
Speaker 1: Big difference there.

2341
01:56:32,800 --> 01:56:34,400
Speaker 5: So I'll take the Steelers plus two and a half,

2342
01:56:34,440 --> 01:56:37,000
Speaker 5: Chiefs Broncos over forty, and Penn State plus one and

2343
01:56:37,000 --> 01:56:37,360
Speaker 5: a half.

2344
01:56:37,520 --> 01:56:40,960
Speaker 3: I'll make this quick, easy, m painless for everybody. Penn

2345
01:56:40,960 --> 01:56:44,720
Speaker 3: State wins that football game. Give me, give me the points,

2346
01:56:44,760 --> 01:56:47,240
Speaker 3: give all of us points plus one and a half. There,

2347
01:56:47,560 --> 01:56:50,120
Speaker 3: I got the Ninny Lions in the National title game.

2348
01:56:50,120 --> 01:56:56,480
Speaker 3: I'll see all in Georgia. Also the over Vikings Detroit.

2349
01:56:57,400 --> 01:57:00,720
Speaker 3: I know the numbers high, but this game I forget

2350
01:57:00,720 --> 01:57:03,760
Speaker 3: exactly where the number landed last time they faced each other,

2351
01:57:03,800 --> 01:57:05,880
Speaker 3: but it was near or over sixty points.

2352
01:57:05,920 --> 01:57:08,240
Speaker 4: Sixty okay, with sixty on the nose. Okay, we're at

2353
01:57:08,240 --> 01:57:09,760
Speaker 4: fifty six. I think it goes.

2354
01:57:10,120 --> 01:57:13,520
Speaker 3: It may short beyond what it was last time they

2355
01:57:13,560 --> 01:57:18,280
Speaker 3: matched up, because there's some subtle differences with this Detroit defense.

2356
01:57:18,640 --> 01:57:22,440
Speaker 3: And then yeah, too many points plus twenty give me

2357
01:57:22,480 --> 01:57:24,760
Speaker 3: the Cleveland Browns.

2358
01:57:24,480 --> 01:57:28,560
Speaker 4: It's just This isn't NFL game. This is a college

2359
01:57:28,560 --> 01:57:31,320
Speaker 4: football spread. So I'll take the twenty points with the Browns.

2360
01:57:31,600 --> 01:57:34,920
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, now we're cooking over here. I'm gonna

2361
01:57:34,920 --> 01:57:35,880
Speaker 1: go parlay on you.

2362
01:57:36,560 --> 01:57:40,080
Speaker 2: Oh, first one here, Ris Hey, you like the first

2363
01:57:40,080 --> 01:57:40,800
Speaker 2: part of this year?

2364
01:57:41,240 --> 01:57:43,240
Speaker 1: Derick Henry anytime touchdown?

2365
01:57:43,840 --> 01:57:44,840
Speaker 4: I like that a lot.

2366
01:57:45,080 --> 01:57:50,880
Speaker 2: We're gonna tie that to Vikings Lions. We're gonna go

2367
01:57:50,960 --> 01:57:55,280
Speaker 2: on one of these adjusted totals over forty.

2368
01:57:54,760 --> 01:57:55,760
Speaker 1: Six and a half.

2369
01:57:56,520 --> 01:57:59,960
Speaker 2: Right, it's at fifty six over forty six and a half,

2370
01:58:00,360 --> 01:58:02,440
Speaker 2: those two things minus one twelve.

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01:58:02,840 --> 01:58:03,440
Speaker 1: I like that.

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01:58:03,960 --> 01:58:05,960
Speaker 5: Forty seven is a key total in the NFL, so

2373
01:58:06,000 --> 01:58:07,280
Speaker 5: forty six and a half is a good number.

2374
01:58:07,760 --> 01:58:11,520
Speaker 1: VM. If Derrick Henry gets in the paint, how do

2375
01:58:11,560 --> 01:58:11,960
Speaker 1: we lose?

2376
01:58:12,640 --> 01:58:12,840
Speaker 6: Real?

2377
01:58:13,040 --> 01:58:13,400
Speaker 4: Comebye?

2378
01:58:13,640 --> 01:58:18,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm gonna take Steelers running back Jalen Warren over

2379
01:58:18,400 --> 01:58:21,720
Speaker 2: twenty and a half receiving yards. He's a weapon out

2380
01:58:21,720 --> 01:58:25,960
Speaker 2: of the backfield. Bengals defense sucks. Just to remind everybody

2381
01:58:26,080 --> 01:58:29,480
Speaker 2: right there, and I'm gonna take something that's truly gross. Okay,

2382
01:58:29,560 --> 01:58:31,440
Speaker 2: you guys might be like, what are you doing here?

2383
01:58:32,080 --> 01:58:35,800
Speaker 2: Give me the Dallas Cowboys. They're hosting the Washington Commanders.

2384
01:58:36,040 --> 01:58:39,520
Speaker 2: I'm gonna take their team total over nineteen and a half.

2385
01:58:40,320 --> 01:58:43,600
Speaker 2: Washington doesn't play a great defense. They might be resting guys,

2386
01:58:44,080 --> 01:58:46,080
Speaker 2: might be back door, but I think we get to

2387
01:58:46,720 --> 01:58:47,520
Speaker 2: twenty or above.

2388
01:58:48,440 --> 01:58:51,240
Speaker 3: I stated, Yeah, I mean, I hate it when you

2389
01:58:51,240 --> 01:58:52,760
Speaker 3: said Dallas Cowboys, but I like them.

2390
01:58:53,400 --> 01:58:55,160
Speaker 1: Nice