WEBVTT - Point Bleak: The Flesh-Masked Bandit

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<v Speaker 1>Ridiculous Crime is a production of iHeartRadio.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh okay, Hey Elizabeth Duttan, Hey, thank ah, I just

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<v Speaker 2>woke up. You know it's ridiculous, I do okay.

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<v Speaker 3>What you you have blue hair? Yes, I mean that's

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<v Speaker 3>a little ridiculous, but it's not really.

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<v Speaker 2>Really, it's it's kind of ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so you have blue hair? Do you live by

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<v Speaker 3>your own rules? Because of the blue hair?

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<v Speaker 2>Not because of the blue hair, but it's kind of

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<v Speaker 2>indicative that I do live by my own rules.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah. And I've had blue hair before.

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<v Speaker 2>Have you had red?

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<v Speaker 4>I've had red, pink flor Oh.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's a good look for.

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<v Speaker 3>I've never you know, I've never gone into like the

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<v Speaker 3>yellow orange.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I think yellow orange is actually kind of hard

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<v Speaker 2>to wear for most human skin tones.

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<v Speaker 3>But if you live by your own rules, and if

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<v Speaker 3>you live la dulce velvida, which is apparently a lifestyle, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>hold hold on to your pants. Ladulce velvida is a lifestyle, Saren,

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<v Speaker 3>And if you really want to live it out loud,

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<v Speaker 3>you can die your hair velveta gold.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh huh yeah, so velvida dulcevelvida. Yeah, they did this

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<v Speaker 2>to my man. Fellini.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, okay, did go on.

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<v Speaker 3>So Velvida is launching its very first hair dye, Velveta Gold.

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<v Speaker 3>Now here's the thing. They put out this press release

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<v Speaker 3>on April first, twenty four, so I'm like, oh, this

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<v Speaker 3>is another garbage. We get so many messages about bad

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<v Speaker 3>fake product mashups around April Fool's Day. Of course, this

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<v Speaker 3>one came in from listener Jill Patterson, who was the

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<v Speaker 3>only person to stumble across this this beauty.

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<v Speaker 4>So I look it up.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm like, okay, well it's got to be like fake.

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<v Speaker 3>But then I go to Amazon and you can buy

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<v Speaker 3>Velvida Gold semi permanent hair color. It is the color

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<v Speaker 3>of Velvida. And you know how they launched it, like

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<v Speaker 3>how they their big product launched. They it says the

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<v Speaker 3>brand tapped the queen of self expression and unapologetic boldness.

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<v Speaker 3>Julia Fox, that cuckoo.

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<v Speaker 2>Bird, Yeah, the one who's with Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>So she's a little bonkers and she she'd wore it

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<v Speaker 3>around town. I don't know, there's pictures of her with

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<v Speaker 3>Velvida hair.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a very specific color.

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<v Speaker 3>It is very specific and it's spot on. When she

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<v Speaker 3>has it in her hair, she looks like she got

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<v Speaker 3>a bunch of velveto on her.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, let me know when they have cheese whiz color.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the pretty much the same. But I want the ruffling.

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<v Speaker 4>What I'm trying to say is, if.

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<v Speaker 3>You truly lived by your own rules, you would ditch

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<v Speaker 3>the blue and go with velveta gold.

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<v Speaker 2>But if I listened to you, I'd be listening to

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<v Speaker 2>someone else's rule.

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<v Speaker 4>No, I'm I'm omnipotent.

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<v Speaker 2>You're just suggesting. Is that going with the wind?

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<v Speaker 3>Like, yeah, if I you know whatever, Okay, fine, you

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<v Speaker 3>make a point there.

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<v Speaker 2>Well that is ridiculous. I know it is, Elizabeth. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I got one for you. Okay, yeah, Okay. You're working

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<v Speaker 2>your day job at a small suburban bank, right, ok,

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<v Speaker 2>just a normal Friday morning, and then boom, all of

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<v Speaker 2>a sudden, you look up and you have a firearm

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<v Speaker 2>pointed in your face. I don't like that, I know, right.

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<v Speaker 2>Which gets worse because the man holding the gun he

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<v Speaker 2>looks like President George Bush. That's George Herbert Walker Bush,

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<v Speaker 2>the first one, not the dumb fun son Elizabeth. This

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<v Speaker 2>one is a wild story. This is Ridiculous Crime a

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<v Speaker 2>podcast about absurd and outrageous capers. Heists and cons. It's

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<v Speaker 2>always ninety nine percent murder free and one percent ridiculous. Yes, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>Elizabeth Is I know you don't watch TV, right you know, no,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't, but you do watch movies, right?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah? Sure?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, what's your favorite bank robber movie?

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<v Speaker 4>You've asked me this Q and I said, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I gave you time, like weeks, months, possibly, I don't remember.

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<v Speaker 2>What's your favorite one?

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<v Speaker 4>The bank Robber?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, your new answer is Point Break?

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<v Speaker 4>Now I gave you I do love that movie.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, there you go. Next time I ask you, my

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<v Speaker 2>favorite bank robber movie is point point Break.

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<v Speaker 3>I remember that point Break Point Break, because otherwise I

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<v Speaker 3>was gonna be like Bank Robber Joe and The Mystery

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<v Speaker 3>of the Bank Vault.

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<v Speaker 2>It's French you probably haven't seen. Yeah. Well, I think

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<v Speaker 2>Point Break is good for you as your favorite.

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<v Speaker 4>Because you you have an f b I agent.

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<v Speaker 2>You already know it exactly. So what's your third favorite scene?

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<v Speaker 4>When can is all wet?

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<v Speaker 2>So I'll tell you? Thanks for asking? Okay, yeah, it's

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<v Speaker 2>pretty today. What's your third favorite scene in Point Break?

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<v Speaker 2>It's simple? Uh, Nick nalty utah, give me.

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<v Speaker 4>Two wait, flee and Anthony Keitas.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they are.

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<v Speaker 3>That's my that's my third favorite anything. They're in fight

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<v Speaker 3>on the beach huh.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they can break surfboards and stuff.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I like it. Okay, I don't like the whole

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<v Speaker 4>party scene just.

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<v Speaker 2>In general, any of the party scenes.

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<v Speaker 4>Isn't there like a beach party scene, the moon Doggie.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they have played football and then they have moon

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<v Speaker 2>Doggie with they're squirting.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't like that in the Yeah, I don't like that.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't like any of that. Okay, Well, anyway, Pois Break, Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>aside from the party scene. It was directed Catherine Right, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and came out in nineteen ninety one, So remember that date,

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen ninety one. It'll be important later. Okay, now you

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<v Speaker 2>know the gist of the movie. We kind of gone

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<v Speaker 2>over that. But a gang of Malibuu surfers they rob

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<v Speaker 2>banks in LA to pay for their life of surfing

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<v Speaker 2>and skydiving and just generally getting.

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<v Speaker 4>Radical Reagan masks.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, and when the surfer gang robs the banks, they

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<v Speaker 2>wear the mask of ex presidents, So they wear the

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<v Speaker 2>Halloween mask of Ronald Reagan, LBJ, Jimmy Carter and Tricky

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<v Speaker 2>Dick Nixon. Because you got to have ticky Dick Nixon.

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<v Speaker 2>So well, point Brak came out nineteen ninety one.

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<v Speaker 4>The idea came out in nineteen ninety one, by the way.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, it began in the eighties, right. A producer apparently

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<v Speaker 2>this is the story. He says he took a surf lesson. Afterwards,

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<v Speaker 2>he's sitting on the beach watching other surfers, and he

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<v Speaker 2>thinks to himself, hmmm, A gang of surfers robs banks

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<v Speaker 2>in LA to pay for their surf safaris, and an

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<v Speaker 2>athletic FBI agent starts surfing to go undercover. Boom. That's

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<v Speaker 2>pretty much the whole story.

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<v Speaker 3>It sounds so bad when you described it that way,

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<v Speaker 3>but it's so good, like the athletic FBI like.

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<v Speaker 2>This song named Johnny Utah.

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<v Speaker 4>Johnny, Like would you take a step.

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<v Speaker 2>Back, former college quarterback?

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<v Speaker 4>I just let myself get buried ignor it?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Yeah, Well, Catherin bigelows she infused into the script,

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<v Speaker 2>like she took her genius and basically fused that into

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<v Speaker 2>the script. That makes it rise above your basic genre picture.

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<v Speaker 6>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>She turns it into this indie crime film with big

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<v Speaker 2>name stars, and you know she also sees that keanner

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<v Speaker 2>Reeves could be the next great action star. She's the

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<v Speaker 2>first one.

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<v Speaker 4>She makes him and it came out in nineteen ninety one.

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly good before any of the other movies.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, A Walk to Remember, even.

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<v Speaker 2>Johnny Mnaeamonic I believe, and the early like, let's make

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<v Speaker 2>Kean into something the post speed movies Fielding Minnesota. Wow,

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<v Speaker 2>that's a deep ball, Okay, fun fact I learned in

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<v Speaker 2>the original draft of the script the bank robbing surfers

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<v Speaker 2>they wore the Halloween masks of ex presidents, but they

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<v Speaker 2>were the ones on the money. They wore Washington, Lincoln, Jefferson,

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<v Speaker 2>and Grant mass the dead ex president that right immediately

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<v Speaker 2>now it's James Cameron.

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<v Speaker 4>Do you like your dead president's crispy?

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<v Speaker 2>Of course you know this. So entered the director James Cameron,

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<v Speaker 2>who happened to be Catherine Biglow's husband at the time.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, So maybe one we're getting into like T two

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<v Speaker 3>turt exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>He's exactly working on T too. So while she's working

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<v Speaker 2>on a script rewrite, Cameron tells her having George Washington

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<v Speaker 2>in the bank is not as cool as next in

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<v Speaker 2>er Reagan. So she's like a good point, Jim changes

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<v Speaker 2>it up and then filmmaking history. Now, then think about

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<v Speaker 2>getting robbed by Dick Nixon. How much funnier that is

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<v Speaker 2>than getting robbed by George Washington? General Grant, I mean, like,

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<v Speaker 2>how would you even as this? Not to like pick

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<v Speaker 2>on the screenwriter, but like, come on, man, how do

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<v Speaker 2>you say, yeah, they're running president's masks and you do

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<v Speaker 2>not think of Dick Nixon?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, with Nixon you can do like the voice and

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<v Speaker 3>like hold the two fingers up and shake your hold

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<v Speaker 3>or whatever.

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<v Speaker 4>But what do you do for for like Washington, You're like, here's.

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<v Speaker 2>My card, hand out a dollar bill? I mean, what

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<v Speaker 2>do you do? Yeah, Lincoln to go, here's my card,

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<v Speaker 2>it's a penny. So also, if you have like Reagan, right,

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<v Speaker 2>this is the eighties so it's very music video heavy, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>another great voice, you could get into like weird, funny

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<v Speaker 2>music video territory with Reagan. I just don't understand we

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<v Speaker 2>missed all these opportunities. Anyway, I'm not going to pick

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<v Speaker 2>on them anymore, but like, okay, if you have Reagan right.

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<v Speaker 4>On the screenwriter, well no, I got.

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<v Speaker 2>Fixed, yeah basically sorry, But like if it's Reagan, you

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<v Speaker 2>can know all those eighties jokes. It'll be like, sir,

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<v Speaker 2>haven't you done enough to the country? You know? Like sure,

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<v Speaker 2>But anyway, I bring up Point.

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<v Speaker 4>Break timely humor exactly stands time.

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<v Speaker 2>So for the reason I bring up Point Break, Elizabeth because.

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<v Speaker 4>It came out in ninety ninety one.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you, good memory. Well, we're not going to just

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<v Speaker 2>keep talking about what a dope movie is for a

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<v Speaker 2>full episode. I know you could, as fun as that

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<v Speaker 2>would be. But I have this really weird cosmic coincidence

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<v Speaker 2>for you. Right, the screenwriter who first came up with

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<v Speaker 2>the idea in the mid to late eighties, at that

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<v Speaker 2>same period of time, but what I would call it

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<v Speaker 2>eighty sitada, there was someone working on the exact same idea,

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<v Speaker 2>except for this person, they did it in reality.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, it wasn't like a deep impact ormageddon.

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<v Speaker 2>No, oh exactly beautiful. Like, let's pick the same movie

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<v Speaker 2>different now.

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<v Speaker 4>I love when that happened.

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<v Speaker 2>It happens often the sentergy of that in Hollywood. Yeah, So,

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<v Speaker 2>from what I can tell, the real ones in this way,

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<v Speaker 2>the real bank robber in no way inspired the screenwriter

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<v Speaker 2>to PenPoint Break. He was apparently not aware that this

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<v Speaker 2>story took place. He never mentions. I looked at a

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<v Speaker 2>bunch of a bunch of his like inspiration and interviews

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<v Speaker 2>of like how we came up with it? Nothing right drug?

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, this cat right. He starts way back in

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen eighty Citada, and there's this bank robber in the

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<v Speaker 2>Chicago Land area who's going around robbing banks wearing halloween

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<v Speaker 2>masks of presidents nice and he's wearing Timely won so

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<v Speaker 2>he's wearing Reagan. Okay, right, he gets it right. This

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't the news, but not like national news. That's why

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think the screenwriter caught it right. But the

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<v Speaker 2>bank robber, he gets away with it for years, and

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<v Speaker 2>then all of a sudden he just stops. He just

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<v Speaker 2>lays low for years, and then in March of nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>ninety he gets back in the game. No way, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>just before the movie, the ex president bank robber is

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<v Speaker 2>back in business. Except he wasn't called that because instead

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<v Speaker 2>the newspapers of the Chicago Land area they called this

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<v Speaker 2>man the flesh mask Bandit.

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<v Speaker 4>The flesh masked band. Yes, that's not easy to get

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<v Speaker 4>your mouth around.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god. No. And also first I kept thinking

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<v Speaker 2>that you should be the flesh mask bandit. Yeah, and

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<v Speaker 2>that way you get rid of that whole weird ed

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<v Speaker 2>past tense flesh masks. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Anyway we're trying to mask into a verb.

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<v Speaker 4>You just call it the masked bandit.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because the flesh mask is important, because bandits the

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<v Speaker 2>flesh daddy. So, Elizabeth, if you were going to start

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<v Speaker 2>robbing banks, right, what would be your ideal bank robber.

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<v Speaker 4>Name the skin bandits.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't want to be the I think the one

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<v Speaker 2>eyed Jack.

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<v Speaker 4>Bandit, the one eyed Jack band Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>You see, my calling card would be a literal playing card.

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<v Speaker 2>I would just leave a one eyed Jack. That way,

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<v Speaker 2>the FBI would know it was me, precious, right, and

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<v Speaker 2>they'd be like, ah, the one eyed Jack bandit. Again.

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<v Speaker 3>I would just get like fully sunburned and then go

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<v Speaker 3>in and peel the.

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<v Speaker 2>Sunburns DNA everywhere.

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<v Speaker 4>People would be like, it's so gross. They get away

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<v Speaker 4>from me.

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<v Speaker 2>On me and the skin.

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<v Speaker 4>Here's the thing, it's not my skin, it's Elmer's glue.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh so thinks.

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<v Speaker 3>And then there's no DNA on it. There's touch DNA,

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<v Speaker 3>but we're going to pretend like that doesn't exist. Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>So I'm just pulling off sheets of what they think

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<v Speaker 3>is my skin and they're like, the skin band that's here,

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<v Speaker 3>and I throw it on the counter and everyone steps back.

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<v Speaker 3>Of course, yeah, like nobody response, nobody moved, nobody get hurt,

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<v Speaker 3>give me all your money at you, or I'll throw

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<v Speaker 3>my skin at you.

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<v Speaker 4>And they're like, oh, skin band it, come on.

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<v Speaker 2>That's so grossic book bankrupt, like a Dick Tracy level.

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<v Speaker 2>It's good. I kind of pictured you as like having

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<v Speaker 2>like a the name like the dog pack Robber, because

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<v Speaker 2>you roll with the pack of dogs.

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<v Speaker 4>That'd be pretty cool.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, everyone's distracted. They're petting the dogs, all.

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<v Speaker 4>So cute, and then the dogs they all play along

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<v Speaker 4>like oh, we're so cute. And then when I snap.

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<v Speaker 2>My finger there they take all the money.

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<v Speaker 4>Chewings and they take the money and then we run.

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<v Speaker 2>I was picturing Elizabeth as it's like, you know, we

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<v Speaker 2>had the pretty Pants bandit, which was really horribly named.

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<v Speaker 2>Would you be like the December shirt bandit like something

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<v Speaker 2>else out.

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<v Speaker 3>I would wear a December shirt with my dog pack.

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<v Speaker 3>I would have a rotisserie chicken in my mouth, and

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<v Speaker 3>much like.

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<v Speaker 4>The dogs, you wouldn't be able to get it out.

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<v Speaker 4>Maybe trying.

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<v Speaker 2>No, you can't a whole rotisserie chicken.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, sure, and then I not like a quarter dark,

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<v Speaker 4>It's the whole thing, the whole thing. And then I

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<v Speaker 4>got fake skin coming off the picture.

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<v Speaker 2>It's so good the dogs would be happy.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm going to be famous.

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<v Speaker 2>Nineteen nineties, the Fleshbacks, mask bandit. I can't even say it.

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<v Speaker 2>It got back into business across the country. Bank robberies

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<v Speaker 2>were up all across the country because we able to

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<v Speaker 2>talk about in La being the bank robbery capital of

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<v Speaker 2>the world's.

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<v Speaker 4>Like seventies, eighties, I guess into the early nineties.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the nineties is really what it is like popping off.

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<v Speaker 4>You know what happened in ninety one, what happened on

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<v Speaker 4>to break came out?

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<v Speaker 2>That's it takes place in La. It's about a bank robbery.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you know why bank robberies is picked up in

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<v Speaker 2>the early nineties. The real reason, George Herbert Walker kind

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<v Speaker 2>of kind of the real reason is kind of wonky.

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<v Speaker 2>It was deregulation, bank deregulation. When the banks were deregulated

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<v Speaker 2>Agains Chicago, for instance, they were able to pass a

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<v Speaker 2>law that allowed the banks previously could only have two

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<v Speaker 2>branches in the city. Now they could have, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>as many as thirty. So suddenly now in the suburbs,

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<v Speaker 2>all these small suburban banks, lightly guarded near easy access

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<v Speaker 2>to the freeways for all those suburban.

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<v Speaker 4>Commuters, a post savings and loan issue.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh yeah, exactly, bank's like eighty seven. Yeah, so this

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<v Speaker 2>is likely early ninety so they did do all the

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<v Speaker 2>bank regulation and deregulation, right and then so now we

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<v Speaker 2>have this crop up all about these little tiny suburban banks. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>bank robbers noticed that this is really close to freeways.

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<v Speaker 2>It's easy is there in leafy residential neighborhoods and a

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<v Speaker 2>quiet on like a Tuesday at ten.

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<v Speaker 4>Am, mushrooms after the rains.

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly, they become prime targets.

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<v Speaker 6>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>So the bank robbers, you know, typically we think them

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<v Speaker 2>being these like glamorous guys. Back in the day. They

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<v Speaker 2>had great nicknames, baby Face Nelson, pretty Boy, Floyd Skin.

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<v Speaker 2>Classic criminals like my man John Dilidger didn't even need

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<v Speaker 2>any he'ment exactly. Now, this is back when the FBI

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<v Speaker 2>first made its name as g men. Right now, can

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<v Speaker 2>you guess how many bank robberies there were in one year?

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<v Speaker 2>I'll take a year nineteen thirty four. Take a guess

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<v Speaker 2>how many bank robberies there were in nineteen thirty four,

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<v Speaker 2>at the peak of bank robbery era seven million, eighty

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<v Speaker 2>six A right, that was a little off, Yeah, just

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit. Now that's not just the Midwest, that

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<v Speaker 2>was the entire country. See to see Shining Sea eighty six.

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<v Speaker 2>Now take a guest for nineteen ninety how many bank

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<v Speaker 2>robberies were there ce two Shining Sea eighty seven, five

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<v Speaker 2>and forty two. Oh yeah. Now, as one little writer

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<v Speaker 2>noted from the Chicago Tribune, to be a bank robber

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<v Speaker 2>in the nineties was a very odd choice as a criminal, because,

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<v Speaker 2>to quote from the Tribune, quote, bank robbery is a

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<v Speaker 2>ridiculous crime he is to commit in the nineteen nineties,

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<v Speaker 2>Even apart from the cartoonish get up you have to

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<v Speaker 2>wear to avoid identification from omnipresent video cameras in the

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<v Speaker 2>first place, bank robbers aren't celebrities anymore, possibly because of

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<v Speaker 2>the nickname crisis. Even the man with the false faced disguise,

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<v Speaker 2>who is believed responsible for sixteen Northwest suburban robberies, including

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<v Speaker 2>the one Thursday in Streamwood, has done no better than

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<v Speaker 2>the flesh mask Bandit hardly a handle to sees the

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<v Speaker 2>popular imagination. Secondly, the hall just ain't what it used

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<v Speaker 2>to be. Willie Sutton, your boy Elizabeth, who rob banks

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<v Speaker 2>from the nineteen twenties to the nineteen fifties, did so,

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<v Speaker 2>he said, and I quote because that's where the money is.

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<v Speaker 2>But in this era of computer finance and plastic transactions,

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<v Speaker 2>banks and tellers simply don't have much cash on hand anymore.

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<v Speaker 3>He's like a hipster bank robbery gatekeeper exactly.

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<v Speaker 4>It used to be so cool, but now too many

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<v Speaker 4>people are doing it.

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<v Speaker 2>It's lame. So that's where we're at in the early nineties.

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<v Speaker 2>When my man the flesh mask bandit makes is emergence.

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<v Speaker 2>There's re emergence. Yeah, so let's take a little break.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll come back and we'll get into more bank robbery.

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<v Speaker 4>Let's do it.

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<v Speaker 2>Keep your skin on, all right, and we're back now

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<v Speaker 2>as we were talking about before baby Face Nelson in

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<v Speaker 2>the heyday of the thirties, right, how this changed to

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<v Speaker 2>the nineties. The other big thing that I didn't really

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<v Speaker 2>get tuned to was if you rob a bank, right

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<v Speaker 2>thanks to the baby Face Nelson era, the FBI we

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<v Speaker 2>get involved because it became a national crime, but that

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<v Speaker 2>would be more like for kidnapping. The reason it became

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<v Speaker 2>a national crime was because the money was federally insured.

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<v Speaker 2>So boom, Now they're getting on every bank robbery. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>So then if you add in the penalty if you

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<v Speaker 2>get caught. Right, Let's say you rob a bank with

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<v Speaker 2>a computer, right, people bobby bop it and then you

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<v Speaker 2>get popped.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh you hack it?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Right, you hack it? Yes, with the key.

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<v Speaker 4>Here's the correct and it's called hacken.

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<v Speaker 2>So when you're when you when you're hacking and scraping cash, right, you,

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<v Speaker 2>Let's say you get tried for bank fraud or whatever

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<v Speaker 2>you get charged with, right, most like you get sent

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<v Speaker 2>to a white collar federal facility for like eighteen months.

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<v Speaker 2>Right now, Let's say you walk into a bank and

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<v Speaker 2>you rob it, right, you've got a gun or a

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<v Speaker 2>bomb or some threat of death on you. You're looking

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<v Speaker 2>at least five years in.

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<v Speaker 4>A federal pat a weapon.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but that's that's not the little security con. You're

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<v Speaker 2>most likely you're not gonna be hanging out with Wall

0:18:34.480 --> 0:18:37.200
<v Speaker 2>Street bankers, right, You're gonna be hanging out with hard people, right,

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<v Speaker 2>But you know you don't need to listen to me

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<v Speaker 2>on that. Listen to France's Keating, chairman of the Security

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<v Speaker 2>Management Committee of the American Bankers Association.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh he sounds like a barrel fun Oh.

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<v Speaker 2>We got funded parties. Keating said, don't use a gun,

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<v Speaker 2>use a pencil. If you forge a check and walk

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<v Speaker 2>out with ten thousand dollars, society still thinks you deserve

0:18:55.560 --> 0:18:58.479
<v Speaker 2>only a slap on the wrist. But people keep robbing

0:18:58.560 --> 0:19:01.920
<v Speaker 2>banks because there's still a certain romance to it. They

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<v Speaker 2>think they can go in and walk out with a

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<v Speaker 2>million dollars. So the point being is that, Okay, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know if he's in relation to Charles Keating of

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<v Speaker 2>the savings some loan scandal. I wonder I do, right,

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<v Speaker 2>But at the point being that banks they're kind of

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<v Speaker 2>prized by society and not because everybody's money is in there.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know why it is that it's if you

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<v Speaker 2>rob with the pencil, you get like a slap on

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<v Speaker 2>the wrist and like kind of like encouraged to do

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<v Speaker 2>it again. Ultimately, because you think about the price you're making.

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<v Speaker 2>Until you get seven million dollars in eighteen months, wouldn't

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<v Speaker 2>you do that again?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, right, but if I if you rob it with

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<v Speaker 3>a pencil, if you forge a check, no one is traumatized.

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<v Speaker 3>But if you've got the point weapons, it's human trauma.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the money, that's the difference in the amount of money.

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<v Speaker 2>I say, yeah, I'm with you. I was.

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<v Speaker 3>Any time that you're you know, traumatizing or possibly injuring

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<v Speaker 3>or killing a person, that's what ups the ante on it.

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<v Speaker 2>So just even the traumatizing. Ye I'm not saying you're

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<v Speaker 2>not hurting them, but just the scaring.

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<v Speaker 3>Well yeah, and it is. It's very upsetting thing. And

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<v Speaker 3>then there's also the potential for death. Yeah, so there's

0:20:04.560 --> 0:20:06.960
<v Speaker 3>no potential for death when you're forging a check, unless

0:20:06.960 --> 0:20:09.080
<v Speaker 3>like you run out of the bank and you trip

0:20:09.080 --> 0:20:12.120
<v Speaker 3>and you fall on the pencil, it goes into your temple.

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<v Speaker 2>You're just like, what about downstream effects?

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<v Speaker 5>Right?

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<v Speaker 2>You know what if people like you anyway, doesn't mean

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<v Speaker 2>So back to the flesh Mask bandit, Right, at the time,

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<v Speaker 2>he was not alone. There were a bunch of other

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<v Speaker 2>oddly named bank robbing colleagues in the Chicago Land area.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah. For instance, there was the pot Bellied Bandit. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>Chicago police to call him a stout Man, a waddling

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<v Speaker 2>thief has successfully robbed about six banks, right, so yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>then he would show up in the most like Chicago

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<v Speaker 2>way possible. I guess you could just kind of waddle

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<v Speaker 2>up to the teller, hand her a wrinkled paper bag

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<v Speaker 2>from a fast food restaurant, and you tell her to

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<v Speaker 2>fill up the bag with cash, right.

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<v Speaker 4>Like he's really like a trim guy wearing a fake tummy.

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<v Speaker 2>That would be smart, Yeah, and then like.

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<v Speaker 3>Just just pregnancy it up with like the fast food bag.

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<v Speaker 4>Look at me, I'm a potbelly, and they that's all

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<v Speaker 4>they remember, just.

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<v Speaker 2>A painted pot belly. Just lets his shirt lift up

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit so you really get a good look

0:21:03.960 --> 0:21:06.119
<v Speaker 2>at it. So there are also the bank robbers who

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<v Speaker 2>didn't earn nicknames Elizabeth, like John Wortman. Yeah, he was

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<v Speaker 2>sitting in his car outside the bank. He put on

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<v Speaker 2>his surgical mask, and he pulled on his knit hat,

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<v Speaker 2>and then apparently he lost his nerve because he pulled

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<v Speaker 2>it all back off. And then he waited a little

0:21:18.720 --> 0:21:20.200
<v Speaker 2>bit and he hyped himself up, and he pulled on

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<v Speaker 2>his surgical mask, he pulled on his knit cap, and

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<v Speaker 2>then he pulled that back off. And then then he

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<v Speaker 2>hiped himself up, being okad, I gotta do this, and

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<v Speaker 2>he pulled on his surgical mask, he pulled on his

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<v Speaker 2>knad hat before he walked into the bank. Someone saw

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<v Speaker 2>him doing this. It called nine to one one. The

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<v Speaker 2>cops arrived. They watched him do this, They approached the car.

0:21:34.800 --> 0:21:37.080
<v Speaker 2>They eventually arrest him before he even set foot in

0:21:37.320 --> 0:21:41.400
<v Speaker 2>the bank. Apparently intentional bank robbery. I don't quite get

0:21:41.760 --> 0:21:43.879
<v Speaker 2>how this lays out, but that's enough evidence for them

0:21:43.920 --> 0:21:46.280
<v Speaker 2>that got him on bank robbery charges, right there was

0:21:46.359 --> 0:21:48.760
<v Speaker 2>How about this guy the cross country runner, This dude,

0:21:48.760 --> 0:21:50.479
<v Speaker 2>he should have had a nickname. He would have if

0:21:50.480 --> 0:21:53.120
<v Speaker 2>he gotten like he probably got a pretty cool nickname

0:21:53.160 --> 0:21:54.080
<v Speaker 2>if he got away with.

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<v Speaker 4>It, even make it into the bank.

0:21:56.400 --> 0:21:58.080
<v Speaker 2>He did make it into the bank, but he did

0:21:58.119 --> 0:22:00.840
<v Speaker 2>not get away with his first robbery. Right, Yeah, so

0:22:00.960 --> 0:22:03.640
<v Speaker 2>William Burzawa, he walked into a bank in the Chicago

0:22:03.720 --> 0:22:06.359
<v Speaker 2>Land area and he robbed it and he fled on foot.

0:22:06.400 --> 0:22:08.600
<v Speaker 2>But see that was his plan. Cross country runner that

0:22:08.680 --> 0:22:11.280
<v Speaker 2>he was. He was, Yeah, he's not a long distance

0:22:11.359 --> 0:22:13.679
<v Speaker 2>runner of those cops. Right, he takes off running, but

0:22:13.720 --> 0:22:16.280
<v Speaker 2>he did not anticipate there'd be multiple cops coming from

0:22:16.280 --> 0:22:17.439
<v Speaker 2>different angles, so he just.

0:22:17.720 --> 0:22:18.439
<v Speaker 4>Like in cars.

0:22:18.520 --> 0:22:21.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so four officers just basically run him down and

0:22:22.000 --> 0:22:23.280
<v Speaker 2>ten minutes later there he is.

0:22:23.280 --> 0:22:27.080
<v Speaker 4>Buildiness, he's going in the distance, Yeah, exactly, He's.

0:22:26.960 --> 0:22:32.520
<v Speaker 2>Not going with speed. So the big hidden factor beside

0:22:32.560 --> 0:22:35.240
<v Speaker 2>the deregulation of banks, right, that led to small branches

0:22:35.280 --> 0:22:37.320
<v Speaker 2>being he was easier to rob There was also a

0:22:37.359 --> 0:22:40.000
<v Speaker 2>recession in the nineteen ninety nineteen ninety one time, so

0:22:40.040 --> 0:22:43.240
<v Speaker 2>people are losing their jobs. You also have just immediate need, right,

0:22:43.520 --> 0:22:47.439
<v Speaker 2>so people had hard reasons. Ron Hosco, acting supervisor of

0:22:47.480 --> 0:22:50.879
<v Speaker 2>the FBI's Violent Crime Task Course and Robbery Division at

0:22:50.920 --> 0:22:53.840
<v Speaker 2>that time, he saw the economic drivers and he was like,

0:22:54.000 --> 0:22:56.080
<v Speaker 2>that's really a big push. He said, and I quote

0:22:56.080 --> 0:22:57.879
<v Speaker 2>there are people who may have lost their jobs. They

0:22:57.960 --> 0:23:00.000
<v Speaker 2>see a bank, a big institution with all the money,

0:23:00.440 --> 0:23:03.159
<v Speaker 2>they think they can outsmart the law once or twice.

0:23:03.200 --> 0:23:05.840
<v Speaker 2>To them, it's just a crime of opportunity. It's not planned.

0:23:06.440 --> 0:23:08.040
<v Speaker 2>So that was like I think most of the people

0:23:08.080 --> 0:23:10.639
<v Speaker 2>I just mentioned, right, So at this point the FBI

0:23:10.720 --> 0:23:12.800
<v Speaker 2>is getting their clearance rate on robberies, what do you

0:23:12.800 --> 0:23:16.600
<v Speaker 2>think it is catching the robbers? Not that good? Seventy

0:23:16.600 --> 0:23:18.960
<v Speaker 2>five percent and had gone up from two thirds to

0:23:19.000 --> 0:23:22.240
<v Speaker 2>seventy five. Yeah, so there's improving, right. So those are

0:23:22.240 --> 0:23:24.520
<v Speaker 2>pretty mean odds to play if you're playing the FBI

0:23:24.640 --> 0:23:27.640
<v Speaker 2>or this bank like a casino. But bank robbers lined

0:23:27.720 --> 0:23:29.800
<v Speaker 2>up all through the nineties to beat those lean ods

0:23:29.920 --> 0:23:32.600
<v Speaker 2>like one in four chance. I'm taking it. Enter the

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<v Speaker 2>Flesh Mask Bandit or should I say the flesh Mask Bandits?

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<v Speaker 4>Oh plural?

0:23:38.600 --> 0:23:39.119
<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

0:23:39.280 --> 0:23:41.919
<v Speaker 4>Who gave them this name? The tops? The press?

0:23:42.040 --> 0:23:44.400
<v Speaker 2>The press? Yeah, yeah, because.

0:23:44.440 --> 0:23:45.720
<v Speaker 4>I expect better from them.

0:23:45.840 --> 0:23:47.879
<v Speaker 2>They had it right there in the original reporting. They

0:23:47.920 --> 0:23:50.120
<v Speaker 2>talked about how he's wearing a halloween mask. You could

0:23:50.119 --> 0:23:52.440
<v Speaker 2>call him the Halloween Mask bandit. He's wearing a halloween

0:23:52.440 --> 0:23:54.320
<v Speaker 2>mask that looks like an ex president. You can call

0:23:54.400 --> 0:23:55.520
<v Speaker 2>them the ex president bandit.

0:23:55.600 --> 0:23:55.959
<v Speaker 4>President.

0:23:56.080 --> 0:23:57.880
<v Speaker 2>You call them the Dead President band to get hip

0:23:57.920 --> 0:23:59.960
<v Speaker 2>hop about it. But no, what do they do there?

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<v Speaker 2>Flesh mask brandish because like one person said, he was

0:24:03.119 --> 0:24:05.520
<v Speaker 2>wearing a fleshy mask. Another person said he was wearing

0:24:05.520 --> 0:24:09.200
<v Speaker 2>a mask. Was flesh color to the flesh Mask Bandit anyway,

0:24:09.640 --> 0:24:13.080
<v Speaker 2>So dude's name, I'll just telly, Yeah, John T. Hunter.

0:24:13.240 --> 0:24:15.320
<v Speaker 2>That's our man of the John Hunter. Yeah, but not

0:24:15.440 --> 0:24:17.920
<v Speaker 2>John the Hunter, Elizabeth the tea is I don't know

0:24:17.960 --> 0:24:21.680
<v Speaker 2>what the he stands for. We'll just say Tiberia though, like, okay,

0:24:21.760 --> 0:24:24.280
<v Speaker 2>there you go, John the Hunter. So, John the Hunter.

0:24:24.520 --> 0:24:26.720
<v Speaker 2>He was in the Chicago Land area in the seventies

0:24:26.720 --> 0:24:29.439
<v Speaker 2>and the eighties. He gets married, has a son. Nineteen

0:24:29.440 --> 0:24:32.919
<v Speaker 2>eighty six, opens an electronics wholesale parts company. Right, he

0:24:33.040 --> 0:24:37.120
<v Speaker 2>names it a Universal Flash Controls. Really inspired, all right,

0:24:37.520 --> 0:24:39.800
<v Speaker 2>but it was right for the time, or maybe a

0:24:39.800 --> 0:24:41.879
<v Speaker 2>little bit too late. Anyway, the business closed in nineteen

0:24:41.880 --> 0:24:44.480
<v Speaker 2>eighty nine, and just after three years of being a business.

0:24:44.960 --> 0:24:48.040
<v Speaker 2>Perhaps it was the economic downturn following the October nineteenth,

0:24:48.240 --> 0:24:51.520
<v Speaker 2>nineteen eighty seven financial crash. AKA, yes, that could be.

0:24:51.720 --> 0:24:54.160
<v Speaker 2>That would be a probably a big factor. Anyway, Black

0:24:54.200 --> 0:24:57.480
<v Speaker 2>Monday probably changed his life. That craters the economy hurts

0:24:57.560 --> 0:25:00.520
<v Speaker 2>businesses like Universal Flash Controls. He decides to even with

0:25:00.560 --> 0:25:00.960
<v Speaker 2>the banks.

0:25:01.160 --> 0:25:03.360
<v Speaker 3>Oh, so he's going to become a dancer and call

0:25:03.440 --> 0:25:05.000
<v Speaker 3>himself John the Hunter.

0:25:05.240 --> 0:25:06.760
<v Speaker 2>There you go. That would be a good way to

0:25:06.760 --> 0:25:09.440
<v Speaker 2>get even with the banks if the banks were John's Yeah,

0:25:09.600 --> 0:25:10.480
<v Speaker 2>at strip clubs.

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<v Speaker 5>Now.

0:25:10.720 --> 0:25:12.639
<v Speaker 2>At the same time, he had a son who just

0:25:12.720 --> 0:25:16.480
<v Speaker 2>left college Loyola University, graduates in nineteen eighty eight with

0:25:16.560 --> 0:25:19.919
<v Speaker 2>a degree in business administration. Smart kid. Right after college,

0:25:19.920 --> 0:25:22.240
<v Speaker 2>he becomes a CPA. That's a public accountant. As you know,

0:25:22.720 --> 0:25:26.720
<v Speaker 2>his boss said, John Junior was quote the typical stereotype

0:25:26.760 --> 0:25:31.160
<v Speaker 2>of an accountant. Oh so he was quote quiet, well dressed,

0:25:31.280 --> 0:25:33.679
<v Speaker 2>mild mannered, meticulous.

0:25:33.400 --> 0:25:34.080
<v Speaker 4>Mild manner.

0:25:34.160 --> 0:25:37.320
<v Speaker 2>Yah. Dude gets married in nineteen ninety one, a June wedding,

0:25:37.440 --> 0:25:39.440
<v Speaker 2>same year that point break came out, Elizabeth.

0:25:39.520 --> 0:25:39.959
<v Speaker 4>Is that the year?

0:25:40.040 --> 0:25:42.639
<v Speaker 2>Keep yea nineteen ninety one. Yeah, so by April ninety

0:25:42.640 --> 0:25:45.480
<v Speaker 2>two he's divorced. Yeah that's oh no, Yeah, that's about

0:25:45.520 --> 0:25:48.000
<v Speaker 2>when he decided to go into the family business. So

0:25:48.160 --> 0:25:50.760
<v Speaker 2>it turns out John the Hunter the Elder was a

0:25:50.800 --> 0:25:53.640
<v Speaker 2>bank robber, and he'd rob two banks in nineteen eighty five.

0:25:53.760 --> 0:25:56.080
<v Speaker 2>Right then things went a little quiet until March of

0:25:56.119 --> 0:25:57.920
<v Speaker 2>nineteen ninety, as I told you, when all of a sudden,

0:25:57.960 --> 0:26:00.520
<v Speaker 2>his electronics supply parts company has shut her. Yeah, he

0:26:00.560 --> 0:26:03.719
<v Speaker 2>gets back in the game and he's good. Right between

0:26:03.720 --> 0:26:06.879
<v Speaker 2>March nineteen ninety and August nineteen ninety one, he successfully

0:26:06.960 --> 0:26:10.440
<v Speaker 2>rubbed seventeen banks. Wow, yeah, is Chicago try being reported

0:26:10.440 --> 0:26:13.600
<v Speaker 2>on August twenty first, nineteen ninety one, the flesh Mask

0:26:13.640 --> 0:26:16.639
<v Speaker 2>Bandit strikes again for the ninth time in seventeen months.

0:26:16.640 --> 0:26:19.280
<v Speaker 2>The gun wielding man with the flesh colored Halloween mask

0:26:19.359 --> 0:26:22.240
<v Speaker 2>has left his mark on a Northwest suburban bank. The

0:26:22.280 --> 0:26:24.480
<v Speaker 2>story is at nine thirty am, the flesh Mask band

0:26:24.520 --> 0:26:26.679
<v Speaker 2>It walks into a suburban bank. He walks past a

0:26:26.760 --> 0:26:29.639
<v Speaker 2>row of five teller windows, and they got five tellers

0:26:29.640 --> 0:26:31.160
<v Speaker 2>in each of the wind there's a teller in each

0:26:31.160 --> 0:26:33.040
<v Speaker 2>of the windows. Elizabeth, this is back when all the

0:26:33.040 --> 0:26:36.200
<v Speaker 2>windows were staffed. Yeah. Right, So the flesh mask Mandy

0:26:36.240 --> 0:26:39.120
<v Speaker 2>walks he quote pointed a blue steel handgun at each

0:26:39.200 --> 0:26:41.320
<v Speaker 2>and directed them to put money into the final bag

0:26:41.359 --> 0:26:42.120
<v Speaker 2>he was carrying.

0:26:42.440 --> 0:26:44.640
<v Speaker 4>So he had to stay on way back and then

0:26:44.760 --> 0:26:46.159
<v Speaker 4>pointed in each five or did he.

0:26:46.200 --> 0:26:48.359
<v Speaker 2>Go no, one window a window, pointing the gun like

0:26:48.480 --> 0:26:50.200
<v Speaker 2>loaded up, goes to the next one, loaded up. I

0:26:50.200 --> 0:26:51.000
<v Speaker 2>don't know why they're waiting.

0:26:51.000 --> 0:26:53.920
<v Speaker 4>I remember five. I'm in the back. I'm not there anymore.

0:26:53.920 --> 0:26:54.840
<v Speaker 2>I remember big two.

0:26:54.840 --> 0:26:57.240
<v Speaker 4>If I'm quick, you know, yeah, five, I'm in the back.

0:26:58.960 --> 0:27:05.320
<v Speaker 2>Only three numbers. Police recording, Police Sergeant Robert Duffy. He

0:27:05.359 --> 0:27:07.840
<v Speaker 2>went down the line and he hit each teller at gunpoint.

0:27:08.040 --> 0:27:09.680
<v Speaker 2>So I don't know, I don't know how this played out.

0:27:09.680 --> 0:27:12.159
<v Speaker 2>Why they're waiting anyway, dude walks out with twenty grand.

0:27:12.680 --> 0:27:16.120
<v Speaker 2>The bank employees they watched the flesh Mask Bandit hop

0:27:16.119 --> 0:27:18.600
<v Speaker 2>into a late model American car. The car was later

0:27:18.600 --> 0:27:22.560
<v Speaker 2>found by police abandoned a few blocks aways, something like that.

0:27:22.640 --> 0:27:24.359
<v Speaker 2>But we'll get into the cars in a second. The

0:27:24.440 --> 0:27:27.479
<v Speaker 2>FBI get called in, right, they tell the Chicago Tribune

0:27:27.680 --> 0:27:30.040
<v Speaker 2>all they knew about the Flesh Mask Bandit at the time.

0:27:30.200 --> 0:27:33.920
<v Speaker 2>FBI spokesman Bob Long said, he demands money from tellers,

0:27:34.000 --> 0:27:36.600
<v Speaker 2>flees the bank, and in several instances, gets into a

0:27:36.640 --> 0:27:39.040
<v Speaker 2>stolen car and then dumps it. And he's always wearing

0:27:39.080 --> 0:27:44.600
<v Speaker 2>this mask. So about the mask, all right? Descriptions varied,

0:27:44.640 --> 0:27:48.800
<v Speaker 2>Elizabeth flesh good good guess. Some of eyewitnesses said it

0:27:48.800 --> 0:27:51.880
<v Speaker 2>was Ronald Reagan. Others said it was Richard Nixon, but then,

0:27:52.080 --> 0:27:54.800
<v Speaker 2>far more strangely still, others said it was then President

0:27:54.840 --> 0:27:57.800
<v Speaker 2>George Bush, the elder, This is George tu Walker Bush.

0:27:57.920 --> 0:27:59.560
<v Speaker 2>Now the eyewitnesses agreed.

0:27:59.240 --> 0:28:01.280
<v Speaker 4>It's just a mask the whole time.

0:28:02.680 --> 0:28:06.240
<v Speaker 2>Why witnesses agreed that the mask was quote opaque flesh

0:28:06.280 --> 0:28:09.359
<v Speaker 2>colored mask that obscures the face that gets repeated over

0:28:09.400 --> 0:28:09.640
<v Speaker 2>and over.

0:28:09.880 --> 0:28:11.879
<v Speaker 4>Report he might have my mask.

0:28:12.040 --> 0:28:17.160
<v Speaker 2>Yeah mask. Well, let's just say there will be confirmation

0:28:17.280 --> 0:28:20.040
<v Speaker 2>in this story about masks. So the Chicago newspaper notes

0:28:20.080 --> 0:28:22.480
<v Speaker 2>that the local record holder for banks robbering in the

0:28:22.560 --> 0:28:25.920
<v Speaker 2>area was this man, James w. Oliver aka the loop

0:28:26.000 --> 0:28:29.160
<v Speaker 2>Bandit loop band Yeah. I think he wrote the Chicago Loop,

0:28:29.200 --> 0:28:29.680
<v Speaker 2>the train.

0:28:31.800 --> 0:28:32.919
<v Speaker 4>Lanyards or something.

0:28:34.680 --> 0:28:37.919
<v Speaker 2>He'd robbed seven banks back in eighty seven, right, the

0:28:37.920 --> 0:28:40.920
<v Speaker 2>flesh mask banded. He easily doubled his total and then some.

0:28:41.040 --> 0:28:43.040
<v Speaker 2>So now the Chicago newspapers were like, whh we got

0:28:43.040 --> 0:28:47.080
<v Speaker 2>a guy, we got a goer number. Yeah. So the

0:28:47.160 --> 0:28:49.320
<v Speaker 2>FBI's spokesman, they were like, wait a minute. On the

0:28:49.400 --> 0:28:53.040
<v Speaker 2>national level, the record was thirty three banks, right, and

0:28:53.120 --> 0:28:55.360
<v Speaker 2>that was pulled off by an unnamed East Coast bank

0:28:55.440 --> 0:28:57.280
<v Speaker 2>rubber and all the reports were caught. They would know,

0:28:57.320 --> 0:28:58.960
<v Speaker 2>they wouldn't name the guy they caught him, but they're like,

0:28:58.960 --> 0:29:01.080
<v Speaker 2>he got thirty three. I'm like, who is it? Which guy?

0:29:01.160 --> 0:29:02.920
<v Speaker 2>So I gotta go cross reference and find the guy

0:29:02.960 --> 0:29:05.880
<v Speaker 2>who's exactly thirty three? Yeah, anyway, I couldn't find it.

0:29:05.960 --> 0:29:08.120
<v Speaker 2>But they is making him up. I think they just

0:29:08.120 --> 0:29:10.240
<v Speaker 2>wanted to remind Chicago that they are the second city

0:29:10.240 --> 0:29:12.120
<v Speaker 2>and they will always beat the second city to the

0:29:12.160 --> 0:29:12.600
<v Speaker 2>East Coast.

0:29:12.720 --> 0:29:15.600
<v Speaker 3>I mean, don't you think it's like you shouldn't be

0:29:15.840 --> 0:29:17.800
<v Speaker 3>putting out these goals for people.

0:29:18.240 --> 0:29:20.120
<v Speaker 2>That's my point. That's a competitive person. I'm like, I

0:29:20.120 --> 0:29:20.600
<v Speaker 2>can break up.

0:29:20.720 --> 0:29:21.760
<v Speaker 4>I can do thirty three.

0:29:22.000 --> 0:29:24.920
<v Speaker 2>So by November, the flesh Mask Bandit, he's back at it, Elizabeth.

0:29:24.960 --> 0:29:26.880
<v Speaker 2>He walks out of a bank in a neighborhood called Stream.

0:29:26.880 --> 0:29:29.800
<v Speaker 2>What's the report we heard earlier? Twenty three thousand dollars

0:29:29.800 --> 0:29:31.880
<v Speaker 2>of the bank's money. No one gets hurt. I don't

0:29:31.880 --> 0:29:33.880
<v Speaker 2>know about trauma. I have to admit you're right about that.

0:29:34.080 --> 0:29:36.440
<v Speaker 2>Hi witness is report the flesh Mask Bandit fled in

0:29:36.480 --> 0:29:39.560
<v Speaker 2>a light blue four door Chevy. I'm like Ford or

0:29:39.680 --> 0:29:43.200
<v Speaker 2>Chevy sounds rocking to this time, Hie Witness has offered

0:29:43.240 --> 0:29:45.800
<v Speaker 2>a more exacting description. They said that the robber was

0:29:45.840 --> 0:29:48.280
<v Speaker 2>six foot three, he weighed about two hundred and forty pounds,

0:29:48.280 --> 0:29:50.280
<v Speaker 2>and he was a white man. His hair was brown,

0:29:50.480 --> 0:29:52.800
<v Speaker 2>and this was noted because his hair was sticking out

0:29:52.800 --> 0:29:56.680
<v Speaker 2>from his President Ronald Reagan mask. Very clearly a President

0:29:56.760 --> 0:29:59.240
<v Speaker 2>Ronald megnum. So now we get an identifier someone's actually

0:29:59.240 --> 0:29:59.760
<v Speaker 2>paying attention.

0:29:59.840 --> 0:30:00.000
<v Speaker 6>Yeah.

0:30:00.480 --> 0:30:04.320
<v Speaker 2>FBI agent Richard Eggleston did not confirm though, that it

0:30:04.360 --> 0:30:06.480
<v Speaker 2>was indeed President Reagan, because he's like, I haven't seen

0:30:06.480 --> 0:30:08.400
<v Speaker 2>the tape, so he's like, I won't confirm, So there's

0:30:08.400 --> 0:30:10.680
<v Speaker 2>still debate, some debate, but he did add that it

0:30:11.320 --> 0:30:13.600
<v Speaker 2>was the same he's used in other robberies, and the

0:30:13.640 --> 0:30:16.280
<v Speaker 2>bank robber wore quote a flesh colored mask and opaque

0:30:16.280 --> 0:30:18.800
<v Speaker 2>Halloween type mask you can see through, but which distorts

0:30:18.800 --> 0:30:21.440
<v Speaker 2>the facial characteristics, so you really can't see what the

0:30:21.440 --> 0:30:23.880
<v Speaker 2>individual looks like. So it's kind of like a clear

0:30:24.400 --> 0:30:28.160
<v Speaker 2>like see through plastic masks, masks from the eighties.

0:30:28.360 --> 0:30:33.120
<v Speaker 3>Yes, son, Yeah, exactly need one.

0:30:33.680 --> 0:30:36.240
<v Speaker 2>Another good reason is it would be difficult to get

0:30:36.240 --> 0:30:38.840
<v Speaker 2>a very good description of the flesh mask. Banded is

0:30:38.880 --> 0:30:42.120
<v Speaker 2>the obvious one. As one Chicago cop said, I quote,

0:30:42.400 --> 0:30:43.960
<v Speaker 2>when you look down the barrel of a gun, the

0:30:43.960 --> 0:30:46.920
<v Speaker 2>gun is all you see. So I'm thinking.

0:30:46.680 --> 0:30:51.600
<v Speaker 3>That's actually Ronald Reagan wearing one of those clear masks.

0:30:51.240 --> 0:30:52.400
<v Speaker 2>And he's just looking for kicks.

0:30:52.440 --> 0:30:55.120
<v Speaker 3>And everyone thinks, God, that looks like Ronald Reagan. But

0:30:55.160 --> 0:30:58.480
<v Speaker 3>it's so creepy like, and then he does a fake voice.

0:30:59.280 --> 0:31:02.040
<v Speaker 3>He's like, you know, it's a genius, Darren.

0:31:02.320 --> 0:31:04.760
<v Speaker 2>I love it. I'm thinking, Reagan, where was he in

0:31:04.800 --> 0:31:05.240
<v Speaker 2>eighty seven?

0:31:05.320 --> 0:31:06.080
<v Speaker 4>I would like to know.

0:31:06.920 --> 0:31:09.240
<v Speaker 2>So at this point, though, Okay, now we're in November

0:31:09.240 --> 0:31:09.920
<v Speaker 2>of ninety one.

0:31:10.560 --> 0:31:13.400
<v Speaker 4>What happened in nineteen ninety one? What point break came out?

0:31:13.480 --> 0:31:14.040
<v Speaker 2>Get out of time?

0:31:14.120 --> 0:31:14.720
<v Speaker 4>Yeah? Seriously?

0:31:14.920 --> 0:31:19.920
<v Speaker 2>Huh Well, I interestingly that you mentioned that. This is yes,

0:31:20.040 --> 0:31:22.320
<v Speaker 2>keep it in mind. So at this point he's not

0:31:22.360 --> 0:31:24.800
<v Speaker 2>gone more than a full season without pulling a bank job.

0:31:24.840 --> 0:31:27.360
<v Speaker 2>Every three months, at least he's robbing a bank, right.

0:31:27.360 --> 0:31:29.520
<v Speaker 2>He took off the month of July the copy they

0:31:29.560 --> 0:31:31.600
<v Speaker 2>noted that, and then time he want it, I want

0:31:31.640 --> 0:31:33.640
<v Speaker 2>a vacation, you know, go and hang up with the kids. Yeah,

0:31:34.560 --> 0:31:36.920
<v Speaker 2>from April to October he robbed at least one bank

0:31:37.000 --> 0:31:39.480
<v Speaker 2>every month in the Chicago Land area. Right then boom,

0:31:39.480 --> 0:31:42.160
<v Speaker 2>February of ninety two, walks into a bank in Rockford,

0:31:42.200 --> 0:31:45.800
<v Speaker 2>as in the Rockford Peaches pulls off his eighteenth successful

0:31:45.840 --> 0:31:48.480
<v Speaker 2>bank robbery in a row. And then he continued this

0:31:48.560 --> 0:31:50.320
<v Speaker 2>run through the rest of ninety two, like he's the

0:31:50.400 --> 0:31:54.240
<v Speaker 2>Chicago Bulls. Till December of ninety two. That's when the

0:31:54.280 --> 0:31:56.920
<v Speaker 2>FBI investigators noticed a new wrinkle in the crime. As

0:31:56.920 --> 0:32:00.160
<v Speaker 2>the Chicago Tribune reports on December tenth, nineteen ninety two,

0:32:00.440 --> 0:32:04.200
<v Speaker 2>Apparently even bank robbers but believe imitation is the sincerest

0:32:04.200 --> 0:32:06.560
<v Speaker 2>form of flattery. Now what did the Tribune mean by this,

0:32:06.600 --> 0:32:10.200
<v Speaker 2>Elizabeth Well, proof of that came Wednesday morning, when a

0:32:10.240 --> 0:32:12.800
<v Speaker 2>Wheeling bank was robbed by a man authorities believe has

0:32:12.880 --> 0:32:15.920
<v Speaker 2>joined forces with the infamous Flesh Mask Bandit and has

0:32:16.000 --> 0:32:19.000
<v Speaker 2>patterned his robberies after his new found partner's methods, even

0:32:19.040 --> 0:32:22.280
<v Speaker 2>down to using his trademark mask. Now there were two

0:32:22.280 --> 0:32:23.240
<v Speaker 2>of them, eliab.

0:32:23.080 --> 0:32:25.880
<v Speaker 3>And were they there at the same time? Well, otherwise

0:32:25.880 --> 0:32:26.680
<v Speaker 3>it's a copycat.

0:32:27.120 --> 0:32:28.959
<v Speaker 2>Yes, there's just one guy.

0:32:29.120 --> 0:32:30.000
<v Speaker 4>We're working together.

0:32:30.040 --> 0:32:31.880
<v Speaker 2>Well, apparently he's working fast to catch up, because he

0:32:31.920 --> 0:32:34.640
<v Speaker 2>gets credited before robberies of his own, before the FBI

0:32:34.680 --> 0:32:38.000
<v Speaker 2>acknowledges he even exists. Right back to my man, Bob Long,

0:32:38.080 --> 0:32:41.440
<v Speaker 2>FBI spokesman. Now he has an accomplice, a partner. This

0:32:41.480 --> 0:32:45.040
<v Speaker 2>guy does the exact same things. Everything is exactly the same,

0:32:45.080 --> 0:32:46.560
<v Speaker 2>except this guy is shorter.

0:32:47.320 --> 0:32:49.280
<v Speaker 4>Why do they say it's a partner? I say it's

0:32:49.280 --> 0:32:51.840
<v Speaker 4>a copycat, Well they figured out right.

0:32:52.400 --> 0:32:54.560
<v Speaker 2>I'm with you, it seems like it's a copycat. Technically

0:32:54.560 --> 0:32:54.840
<v Speaker 2>it is a.

0:32:54.840 --> 0:32:57.040
<v Speaker 4>Copy driving that same light blue Chevy.

0:32:57.360 --> 0:33:01.240
<v Speaker 2>He modeled everything, even down to the late model Chevy

0:33:01.760 --> 0:33:04.360
<v Speaker 2>or GM brand car. So at this point, the og

0:33:04.520 --> 0:33:08.000
<v Speaker 2>flesh Mask band has successfully pulled off twenty five bank jobs.

0:33:08.160 --> 0:33:10.600
<v Speaker 2>His accomplice is understudy, if you will call it that,

0:33:10.960 --> 0:33:12.800
<v Speaker 2>he's pulled off four more of his own. Right, So

0:33:12.840 --> 0:33:14.920
<v Speaker 2>if he piled their crimes together, they've now pulled off

0:33:14.960 --> 0:33:17.360
<v Speaker 2>twenty nine bank jobs. They only need five more to

0:33:17.400 --> 0:33:17.960
<v Speaker 2>break the record.

0:33:18.000 --> 0:33:20.560
<v Speaker 4>Elizabeth Sun Spoilerli.

0:33:20.120 --> 0:33:22.440
<v Speaker 2>Yes, the new flesh mask band it was estimated to

0:33:22.480 --> 0:33:24.520
<v Speaker 2>be five foot eight. He preferred to drive an Olds

0:33:24.560 --> 0:33:26.720
<v Speaker 2>to a Chevy because you know, but keeping a GM

0:33:26.760 --> 0:33:29.800
<v Speaker 2>because it's Chicago. Now, he was spotted in an Oldmobile

0:33:29.880 --> 0:33:32.480
<v Speaker 2>Delta eighty eight. My dad have one of those nice ride,

0:33:32.600 --> 0:33:34.680
<v Speaker 2>right this stolen ride he ditches it. The car was

0:33:34.720 --> 0:33:37.160
<v Speaker 2>located later. Now, at this point, the FBI has to

0:33:37.200 --> 0:33:39.280
<v Speaker 2>admit to the press that there were now two flesh

0:33:39.360 --> 0:33:41.600
<v Speaker 2>mask bandits. And if I were in the Chicago press,

0:33:41.640 --> 0:33:43.320
<v Speaker 2>I would have had to ask the g men, do

0:33:43.360 --> 0:33:45.960
<v Speaker 2>you think they share the same president mask. Oh yeah,

0:33:45.960 --> 0:33:49.000
<v Speaker 2>which is me weird. But then the FBI would have

0:33:49.080 --> 0:33:50.480
<v Speaker 2>rolled its eyes and they would have told me that

0:33:50.560 --> 0:33:53.480
<v Speaker 2>sometimes the two flesh mask bandits did indeed work together.

0:33:53.560 --> 0:33:58.600
<v Speaker 2>So obviously there'd have to be two president's mask Which ones?

0:33:58.720 --> 0:34:01.400
<v Speaker 2>Is it? Like Reagann but and Nixon? Like what are

0:34:01.440 --> 0:34:02.840
<v Speaker 2>we talking about? Because you know they were like kind

0:34:02.880 --> 0:34:04.760
<v Speaker 2>of competitive and they're like, come on, what kind of

0:34:04.800 --> 0:34:05.520
<v Speaker 2>questions are they?

0:34:05.600 --> 0:34:06.800
<v Speaker 4>President? Vice president?

0:34:06.960 --> 0:34:10.600
<v Speaker 2>So a good call, yeah, trying to get the incumbent

0:34:10.640 --> 0:34:12.840
<v Speaker 2>in there. So the FBI has done the legwork. They

0:34:12.880 --> 0:34:15.160
<v Speaker 2>figured out the two flesh mask band it's their new mo.

0:34:15.680 --> 0:34:18.399
<v Speaker 2>They they'd wear similar outfits, the president masks. They'd both

0:34:18.440 --> 0:34:20.919
<v Speaker 2>drive stolen cars made by GM. The two would arrive

0:34:21.040 --> 0:34:24.120
<v Speaker 2>together in separate cars. One man would rob the bank,

0:34:24.320 --> 0:34:26.400
<v Speaker 2>then he'd walk out to his getaway car. The second

0:34:26.440 --> 0:34:28.719
<v Speaker 2>president would then follow the getaway car and act as

0:34:28.719 --> 0:34:31.400
<v Speaker 2>a roadblock in case the cops gave chase.

0:34:32.719 --> 0:34:34.040
<v Speaker 3>I thought you were going to say, the second guy

0:34:34.040 --> 0:34:35.840
<v Speaker 3>would then go in after and hit him again.

0:34:35.960 --> 0:34:38.120
<v Speaker 4>No, that would be great least expected.

0:34:38.440 --> 0:34:40.440
<v Speaker 2>So the new one was working, though he starts working

0:34:40.440 --> 0:34:42.840
<v Speaker 2>on his own alone. They switched up their m O again.

0:34:42.960 --> 0:34:44.480
<v Speaker 2>So they only do this for a little bit, and

0:34:44.520 --> 0:34:47.400
<v Speaker 2>perhaps it was a training period. Here's your training wheel, son.

0:34:47.360 --> 0:34:49.040
<v Speaker 4>Because mentorment situation.

0:34:49.120 --> 0:34:51.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, like Princess Bribe a dread Pirate Roberts where there's

0:34:51.960 --> 0:34:54.320
<v Speaker 2>the overlapper and he's like, you beat the dread pirate Roberts,

0:34:54.320 --> 0:34:57.280
<v Speaker 2>then we'll get a new crew. Anyway, the flesh mask banded.

0:34:57.360 --> 0:34:59.120
<v Speaker 2>They keep at it and now it's the younger one,

0:34:59.160 --> 0:35:02.440
<v Speaker 2>the shorter one, doing all the robbing. And Elizabeth, you

0:35:02.440 --> 0:35:05.080
<v Speaker 2>were right. It was a father and son, John T.

0:35:05.239 --> 0:35:08.960
<v Speaker 2>Hunter the elder and John T. Hunter the younger. Wow,

0:35:09.200 --> 0:35:11.120
<v Speaker 2>so let's take a little break here, we get back.

0:35:11.719 --> 0:35:14.000
<v Speaker 2>I will tell you how it all goes wrong.

0:35:14.320 --> 0:35:36.399
<v Speaker 4>It's the family that crimes together, all.

0:35:36.440 --> 0:35:39.799
<v Speaker 2>Right, Elizabeth, Yes, it's nineteen ninety three, now you're ready

0:35:39.840 --> 0:35:41.840
<v Speaker 2>for it. Yes, crazy year, I love it. You know

0:35:41.840 --> 0:35:45.239
<v Speaker 2>what's gonna happen with the flesh mask bandits? No, they

0:35:45.280 --> 0:35:50.480
<v Speaker 2>made the record thirty five banks in seven years. They

0:35:50.520 --> 0:35:53.880
<v Speaker 2>took it to the house early or Chicago Pride, what

0:35:54.160 --> 0:35:58.799
<v Speaker 2>ut slap and I Five's and Michael Jordan totally yeah. Anyway,

0:35:58.960 --> 0:36:02.040
<v Speaker 2>I don't I don't know if they're considered breaking the

0:36:02.080 --> 0:36:05.000
<v Speaker 2>record because the FBI is really hard about like parsing out.

0:36:05.120 --> 0:36:07.480
<v Speaker 2>They only will give them credit for thirty three banks

0:36:07.680 --> 0:36:09.279
<v Speaker 2>even though they have thirty five, and then all the

0:36:09.360 --> 0:36:11.400
<v Speaker 2>numbers line up. They're like, oh, I don't know, I

0:36:11.400 --> 0:36:11.839
<v Speaker 2>don't know.

0:36:11.760 --> 0:36:13.600
<v Speaker 4>Why they are they fix why they hold.

0:36:13.400 --> 0:36:16.480
<v Speaker 2>In Chicago down. But anyway, they did it, Elizabeth, just

0:36:16.560 --> 0:36:20.080
<v Speaker 2>like Hammer and Hank, Aaron cal Ripkin Junior, Joe Imaggio,

0:36:20.400 --> 0:36:24.000
<v Speaker 2>they went the distance it so. April twenty eight, nineteen

0:36:24.040 --> 0:36:27.560
<v Speaker 2>ninety three, Chicago Tribune reported that quote, the flesh Mask

0:36:27.600 --> 0:36:30.600
<v Speaker 2>Bandit and his accomplice eluded authorities for seven years, pulling

0:36:30.600 --> 0:36:35.000
<v Speaker 2>off thirty five bank hest in seven states, seven states.

0:36:35.000 --> 0:36:40.280
<v Speaker 2>The father and son now they're working in Wisconsin, Michigan, Minnesota, Iowa, Ohio,

0:36:40.440 --> 0:36:46.200
<v Speaker 2>and Indiana. Wow, yeah, right, thirty fifth robbery occurred in Toledo, Ohio.

0:36:46.600 --> 0:36:50.760
<v Speaker 4>They're putting some miles on that eighty eight that.

0:36:50.640 --> 0:36:53.879
<v Speaker 2>Holds me eighty eight. So the delta keeps rolling, right,

0:36:53.920 --> 0:36:57.680
<v Speaker 2>that delta eight ads good. So it's now official. They're

0:36:57.719 --> 0:36:59.520
<v Speaker 2>about to end their run. I'll just I'll cut to

0:36:59.560 --> 0:37:02.880
<v Speaker 2>the checks. Because after their thirty fifth successful bank robbery

0:37:02.920 --> 0:37:06.359
<v Speaker 2>in a row, the flesh mask bandits get busted. Yeah.

0:37:06.360 --> 0:37:08.319
<v Speaker 2>With each bank they rob, the FBI learned more and

0:37:08.320 --> 0:37:10.200
<v Speaker 2>more about them, right, the g men. They work up

0:37:10.200 --> 0:37:13.040
<v Speaker 2>this very accurate profile. The FBI field agents. They start

0:37:13.080 --> 0:37:16.000
<v Speaker 2>to know that here's their mo. They have flesh mass bandits.

0:37:16.000 --> 0:37:20.160
<v Speaker 2>They always strike between nine thirty am and ten thirty am, always.

0:37:19.880 --> 0:37:21.200
<v Speaker 4>The beginning of the day, exactly.

0:37:21.600 --> 0:37:23.880
<v Speaker 2>People are in a lull. They've done what they've opened up,

0:37:23.920 --> 0:37:26.040
<v Speaker 2>and now that the first customers are gone, they got

0:37:26.160 --> 0:37:29.760
<v Speaker 2>like that little pause. And always on Thursday or Friday,

0:37:29.920 --> 0:37:33.319
<v Speaker 2>always in a suburban area. Pair was mad loyal to

0:37:33.360 --> 0:37:37.120
<v Speaker 2>GM cars, Yeah, proper so they always told GM cars

0:37:37.120 --> 0:37:41.120
<v Speaker 2>for night a tour nineteen seventy eight to nineteen eighty eight.

0:37:41.560 --> 0:37:44.480
<v Speaker 2>And they always use those as air getaway whips. No Tauruses, no,

0:37:44.800 --> 0:37:48.719
<v Speaker 2>no Dodge k cars. No. They brought guns, never used them.

0:37:49.200 --> 0:37:51.080
<v Speaker 2>Their guns might not even be loaded. We don't know.

0:37:51.400 --> 0:37:53.200
<v Speaker 2>It turns out all that though, it was accurate, the

0:37:53.280 --> 0:37:55.640
<v Speaker 2>FBI's profile spot on. They did all of that.

0:37:55.760 --> 0:37:59.480
<v Speaker 3>Right, Well, it's not really a profile. Those are just observations.

0:37:58.800 --> 0:38:01.000
<v Speaker 2>Whatever, you know, That's what that's what the FBI called it.

0:38:01.000 --> 0:38:03.680
<v Speaker 2>I'm quoting them, Melissa, But it wasn't their profile that

0:38:03.760 --> 0:38:07.439
<v Speaker 2>becomes their undoing. Instead it was what dumb luck? That's right,

0:38:07.520 --> 0:38:10.919
<v Speaker 2>they get brought down by dumb luck. No bothering sound

0:38:10.920 --> 0:38:13.520
<v Speaker 2>the wildly successful for seven years they rob banks, never

0:38:13.560 --> 0:38:16.000
<v Speaker 2>get greedy, never hurt anyone. They just did what they did.

0:38:16.040 --> 0:38:18.480
<v Speaker 2>They pulled money. It was going so good. How did

0:38:18.520 --> 0:38:21.279
<v Speaker 2>they get caught? What would be the dumb story? The

0:38:21.680 --> 0:38:22.960
<v Speaker 2>ridiculous of this neess.

0:38:23.800 --> 0:38:26.120
<v Speaker 4>It's usually like greed too when they try and do

0:38:26.200 --> 0:38:26.680
<v Speaker 4>too much.

0:38:27.160 --> 0:38:30.879
<v Speaker 2>Well, came down to basically a pain in the neck

0:38:30.920 --> 0:38:33.799
<v Speaker 2>innocent bystander, one of them busy bodies. Yeah, yep, in

0:38:33.800 --> 0:38:38.239
<v Speaker 2>one of your people, yes, and a license plate oh yeah. Right. So,

0:38:38.960 --> 0:38:41.600
<v Speaker 2>around three thirty AM on a Thursday morning, right before

0:38:41.600 --> 0:38:43.759
<v Speaker 2>they're gonna go rob a bank. Later that day, apparently

0:38:43.840 --> 0:38:49.000
<v Speaker 2>a call comes into the Tippy Canoe County Sheriff's Department. Yeah, exactly.

0:38:49.040 --> 0:38:51.800
<v Speaker 2>The call reports suspicious activity going down in an apartment

0:38:51.840 --> 0:38:54.600
<v Speaker 2>complex parking lock. So an officer responds to the call,

0:38:55.000 --> 0:38:58.320
<v Speaker 2>Deputy Sheriff Richard L. Walker, Right, so, Dick Walker. He

0:38:58.440 --> 0:39:01.600
<v Speaker 2>arrives on the scene. The off spies a man huddled

0:39:01.600 --> 0:39:04.200
<v Speaker 2>low behind a car. He's busy. This man he's attempting

0:39:04.239 --> 0:39:06.719
<v Speaker 2>to steal the license plate, so the headlights of the

0:39:06.719 --> 0:39:09.759
<v Speaker 2>cop car catch his attention. Though the young man scampers off.

0:39:09.800 --> 0:39:12.400
<v Speaker 2>He bounds over to a Toyota cameray, hops in the

0:39:12.400 --> 0:39:15.040
<v Speaker 2>camera and it speeds off. This is their first mistake.

0:39:16.239 --> 0:39:20.040
<v Speaker 2>I'm just saying dumbing against Toyota, fine car maker, but

0:39:20.120 --> 0:39:22.640
<v Speaker 2>they had been sticking with GM. They brought their own pattern.

0:39:22.719 --> 0:39:25.160
<v Speaker 2>And then the deputy sheriff right, he sees the car

0:39:25.280 --> 0:39:28.320
<v Speaker 2>the camera speed off. Well, Elizabeth, remember, let me just

0:39:28.360 --> 0:39:30.399
<v Speaker 2>tell you about this. I'd like you to close your eyes. Yes,

0:39:30.680 --> 0:39:33.799
<v Speaker 2>as a close I'd like you to picture it. It's

0:39:33.920 --> 0:39:37.440
<v Speaker 2>the small hours of the morning. The quiet is shattered

0:39:37.480 --> 0:39:39.920
<v Speaker 2>by the sound of a Toyota camray's speeding engine and

0:39:40.000 --> 0:39:42.920
<v Speaker 2>squealing tires as it tears out of an apartment complex

0:39:43.000 --> 0:39:46.160
<v Speaker 2>parking the camera, followed close fo by the throaty roar

0:39:46.440 --> 0:39:49.879
<v Speaker 2>of a well maintained patrol car engine. And you, Elizabeth,

0:39:50.000 --> 0:39:53.280
<v Speaker 2>are behind the wheel of a second patrol car, second

0:39:53.320 --> 0:39:56.680
<v Speaker 2>on the scene and now engaged in a high speed pursuit. Nice, Elizabeth,

0:39:56.719 --> 0:39:59.120
<v Speaker 2>you are Deputy done. Based on your time in the

0:39:59.160 --> 0:40:01.520
<v Speaker 2>London Flying Skull, you were able to get a job

0:40:01.560 --> 0:40:04.439
<v Speaker 2>in Tippy Canoe County right away. So it's your second

0:40:04.440 --> 0:40:06.160
<v Speaker 2>week on the job, and now you're racing through the

0:40:06.239 --> 0:40:08.760
<v Speaker 2>dark at ninety miles an hour. You and Deputy Walker

0:40:08.840 --> 0:40:11.680
<v Speaker 2>pursue the Toyota Camry for about six miles. It's a

0:40:11.719 --> 0:40:15.560
<v Speaker 2>heavy chase. Then Deputy Dick Walker's patrol car draws closer.

0:40:15.600 --> 0:40:17.680
<v Speaker 2>He gets within about one hundred feet of the camera.

0:40:18.160 --> 0:40:20.440
<v Speaker 2>That's when you spot a man as he slides out

0:40:20.440 --> 0:40:23.640
<v Speaker 2>of the passenger side window. The man has a long

0:40:23.680 --> 0:40:25.880
<v Speaker 2>barreled gun. He levels it at you in Deputy Walker's

0:40:25.920 --> 0:40:33.160
<v Speaker 2>patrol car and then boom wow. The man hanging out

0:40:33.160 --> 0:40:35.560
<v Speaker 2>the shotgun window gets busy with his scatter gun. He

0:40:35.600 --> 0:40:38.520
<v Speaker 2>fires three times. He hits both Deputy Walker's car and

0:40:38.640 --> 0:40:41.680
<v Speaker 2>your car. One bolt shatters Deputy Walker's windshield. Your car

0:40:41.719 --> 0:40:44.279
<v Speaker 2>gets hit twice. One of your car tires is shot out.

0:40:44.280 --> 0:40:47.799
<v Speaker 2>The camera speeds off. Brake lights so flash, and the

0:40:47.840 --> 0:40:50.200
<v Speaker 2>car pulls to a sliding stop on the side of

0:40:50.239 --> 0:40:53.759
<v Speaker 2>the road. You're confused, Deputy Dick Walker's confused. You both

0:40:53.800 --> 0:40:56.000
<v Speaker 2>roll to a stop a safe distance. Your car has

0:40:56.040 --> 0:40:58.880
<v Speaker 2>been shot twice. One wheel nut is sagging. The Camray

0:40:58.880 --> 0:41:02.040
<v Speaker 2>idols though in the dark, you and Deputy Walker call

0:41:02.120 --> 0:41:05.520
<v Speaker 2>for backup. You wait, watching the camera, worried the man

0:41:05.520 --> 0:41:08.400
<v Speaker 2>with a shotgun might just get out and start shooting again.

0:41:08.840 --> 0:41:12.440
<v Speaker 2>The night is still and quiet. The peace, though, is

0:41:12.440 --> 0:41:15.239
<v Speaker 2>broken when the camera speeds up again. Your patrol car

0:41:15.320 --> 0:41:18.400
<v Speaker 2>is done, so you're out of this high speech chase, Elizabeth.

0:41:18.440 --> 0:41:20.680
<v Speaker 2>After your initial encounter with the father and son bandits,

0:41:20.680 --> 0:41:23.359
<v Speaker 2>the other officers did join the pursuit from all these

0:41:23.360 --> 0:41:26.839
<v Speaker 2>different county roads they're closing in. Fifteen minutes later, one

0:41:26.880 --> 0:41:29.680
<v Speaker 2>of the cars they see the camera and another six

0:41:29.760 --> 0:41:33.640
<v Speaker 2>miles away. The camry kills its headlights and disappears into

0:41:33.680 --> 0:41:36.160
<v Speaker 2>the darkness because they realize, oh, they can't see us

0:41:36.160 --> 0:41:39.560
<v Speaker 2>on these farm roads, so they're now running like thunder

0:41:39.640 --> 0:41:42.839
<v Speaker 2>road lights out. An hour later, sometime around four point

0:41:42.840 --> 0:41:45.880
<v Speaker 2>thirty am, a deputy spots the camera gives chase again.

0:41:46.280 --> 0:41:48.440
<v Speaker 2>This time, man riding a shotgun slides out of the

0:41:48.440 --> 0:41:51.440
<v Speaker 2>window just like last time, takes amen boom. He fires

0:41:51.440 --> 0:41:54.480
<v Speaker 2>that long barrel weapon and the deputy recalled later, I

0:41:54.480 --> 0:41:56.880
<v Speaker 2>saw a muscle flashes coming from the vehicle. Now one

0:41:56.880 --> 0:41:59.480
<v Speaker 2>of the slugs tears through the cars metal skin and frame.

0:41:59.719 --> 0:42:03.040
<v Speaker 2>Hits the officer lodges in the deputy's left calf. All right,

0:42:03.400 --> 0:42:05.360
<v Speaker 2>he feels this like a stinging and a buzzin in

0:42:05.400 --> 0:42:08.239
<v Speaker 2>his left Six shots were fired in total at him.

0:42:08.320 --> 0:42:10.640
<v Speaker 2>He only gets hit once. The camera again slipped away

0:42:10.640 --> 0:42:13.480
<v Speaker 2>in that fast disappearing dark. Just before the dawn. They're

0:42:13.520 --> 0:42:16.040
<v Speaker 2>running out of darkness, Elizabeth, things are starting to turn

0:42:16.080 --> 0:42:19.320
<v Speaker 2>purple the camera. He gets seen again, parked beside a barn.

0:42:19.880 --> 0:42:23.399
<v Speaker 2>Officers called in for backup. Other officers respond once again.

0:42:23.440 --> 0:42:26.560
<v Speaker 2>Now we're getting multiple counties. The chase begins all over again.

0:42:26.640 --> 0:42:29.239
<v Speaker 2>This time though one officer decides he or she I

0:42:29.280 --> 0:42:32.200
<v Speaker 2>don't know, has had enough. They pilot their patrol cruiser

0:42:32.320 --> 0:42:34.399
<v Speaker 2>right into the camera at high speed, and the cop

0:42:34.440 --> 0:42:37.759
<v Speaker 2>car broadsides the cameray just takes them off the road.

0:42:38.000 --> 0:42:39.839
<v Speaker 4>Crown Vick, full of anger.

0:42:39.760 --> 0:42:44.439
<v Speaker 2>Exactly, just folds the camera around the front end chases over.

0:42:44.880 --> 0:42:47.279
<v Speaker 2>Father John T. Hunters captured after he tries to make

0:42:47.320 --> 0:42:49.640
<v Speaker 2>a run for it. He's run down by several cop

0:42:49.680 --> 0:42:52.319
<v Speaker 2>cars and is promptly arrested. The younger man, the son,

0:42:52.440 --> 0:42:55.400
<v Speaker 2>John the Hunter Junior, He also fled the camera. He

0:42:55.440 --> 0:42:57.759
<v Speaker 2>makes it to the woods, disappears into the shadow and

0:42:57.800 --> 0:43:01.120
<v Speaker 2>shade of the trees gone. The deputies. They go on.

0:43:01.160 --> 0:43:03.000
<v Speaker 2>They searched the camera, Elizabeth, what do you think they

0:43:03.000 --> 0:43:06.480
<v Speaker 2>found the camera? They did find the camera. Underneath all

0:43:06.480 --> 0:43:09.320
<v Speaker 2>of that was the camera, but inside of the camera

0:43:09.400 --> 0:43:12.960
<v Speaker 2>were guns, mass lots of guns, three handguns, two rifles,

0:43:13.000 --> 0:43:16.080
<v Speaker 2>two shotguns, about five hundred rounds ammo. They also found

0:43:16.120 --> 0:43:18.600
<v Speaker 2>a map of local banks with notes on their security

0:43:18.880 --> 0:43:21.080
<v Speaker 2>like stars of like this one's good. And then there

0:43:21.160 --> 0:43:24.040
<v Speaker 2>was also you know, since there were the flesh mask bandits,

0:43:24.080 --> 0:43:27.840
<v Speaker 2>there should be some evidence, right, yeh, cops. They find masks,

0:43:27.880 --> 0:43:32.000
<v Speaker 2>several masks like it's your closet opake latex masks.

0:43:32.080 --> 0:43:32.239
<v Speaker 6>Right.

0:43:32.320 --> 0:43:34.880
<v Speaker 2>One of the masks is a Michael Doucoccus mask.

0:43:35.120 --> 0:43:37.120
<v Speaker 4>Get out here? Did they put the giant homet on?

0:43:38.600 --> 0:43:42.440
<v Speaker 2>It's probably my favorite part of the story for Michael Doucoccus.

0:43:41.960 --> 0:43:45.239
<v Speaker 4>Masks, obscure mask if you had it today, totally like people,

0:43:45.800 --> 0:43:46.800
<v Speaker 4>who are you? Michael?

0:43:47.400 --> 0:43:49.200
<v Speaker 2>Getting robbed by Reagan is one thing, but if a

0:43:49.239 --> 0:43:52.479
<v Speaker 2>bank robber came in nineteen ninety three with a Michael

0:43:52.520 --> 0:43:55.080
<v Speaker 2>Ducaccas mask, I would laugh them out of the bank

0:43:55.160 --> 0:43:57.000
<v Speaker 2>and they'd be like you gotta be joking, man, Come on,

0:43:57.040 --> 0:43:57.640
<v Speaker 2>they pull a gun.

0:43:57.640 --> 0:44:02.400
<v Speaker 4>I'm like, come on, man, is a Howard Dean mass Later.

0:44:02.680 --> 0:44:06.640
<v Speaker 2>Who So back to the sun, John the Hunter Junior,

0:44:06.800 --> 0:44:08.920
<v Speaker 2>or the Younger if you prefer. He was still on

0:44:08.960 --> 0:44:11.480
<v Speaker 2>the run, right, So he's in the woods. Cops bring

0:44:11.520 --> 0:44:14.319
<v Speaker 2>out a small fleet of helicopters. They go, all right,

0:44:14.320 --> 0:44:17.880
<v Speaker 2>we'll cover the woods from above. Choppers are outfitted with

0:44:18.000 --> 0:44:20.839
<v Speaker 2>thermal imaging devices. They're bound to catch this boy. They're

0:44:20.880 --> 0:44:23.960
<v Speaker 2>just military tech and stuff. Right after a day of searching, though,

0:44:24.000 --> 0:44:26.640
<v Speaker 2>the choppers they get grounded because they ain't found nothing.

0:44:26.719 --> 0:44:30.000
<v Speaker 2>Squat did the squat no signs of John the Hunter Younger? Right,

0:44:30.320 --> 0:44:32.440
<v Speaker 2>One FBI agent told the press at the time, these

0:44:32.440 --> 0:44:36.759
<v Speaker 2>guys are no dummies. They're good. So meanwhile, on foot,

0:44:36.760 --> 0:44:39.720
<v Speaker 2>they have twenty officers going through these woods, four different

0:44:39.760 --> 0:44:42.760
<v Speaker 2>law enforcement agencies. They're continuing. They basically a five square

0:44:42.800 --> 0:44:45.600
<v Speaker 2>miles search at this point, a manhunt and no luck.

0:44:46.120 --> 0:44:49.600
<v Speaker 2>But given enough time, this lone flesh mask bandit out

0:44:49.600 --> 0:44:52.040
<v Speaker 2>there by himself in the woods, Elizabeth. He grows scared

0:44:52.120 --> 0:44:54.919
<v Speaker 2>and more importantly, he grows hungry. John johns Yeah, little

0:44:54.960 --> 0:44:56.600
<v Speaker 2>John Junior. He walks out of the woods and he

0:44:56.640 --> 0:44:59.400
<v Speaker 2>walks over to a McDonald's at five point thirty in

0:44:59.400 --> 0:45:01.720
<v Speaker 2>the morning. He's like, on a Friday.

0:45:01.320 --> 0:45:03.040
<v Speaker 4>Morning, have you started serving lunch yet?

0:45:03.040 --> 0:45:04.799
<v Speaker 2>And he's like, are you guys open? And they're not open.

0:45:04.880 --> 0:45:06.480
<v Speaker 2>So he phoned the police and he told them where

0:45:06.520 --> 0:45:07.000
<v Speaker 2>to find him.

0:45:08.280 --> 0:45:10.279
<v Speaker 4>He was just like, that's it. I'm starving. All I

0:45:10.320 --> 0:45:11.120
<v Speaker 4>wanted was, yeah, I.

0:45:11.120 --> 0:45:13.120
<v Speaker 2>Didn't get my m so can you guys pick me

0:45:13.200 --> 0:45:14.640
<v Speaker 2>up and maybe take me to McDonald's.

0:45:14.640 --> 0:45:17.960
<v Speaker 3>Over you ever, I've been that defeated and hungry where

0:45:17.960 --> 0:45:20.040
<v Speaker 3>you're just like, I give up on life. I am

0:45:20.120 --> 0:45:23.200
<v Speaker 3>so hungry and I'm so frustrated. You know what, arrest

0:45:23.280 --> 0:45:26.960
<v Speaker 3>me call I'll call. The other night, I was like,

0:45:27.000 --> 0:45:29.880
<v Speaker 3>I want to eat dinner, and I was so tired

0:45:30.000 --> 0:45:30.880
<v Speaker 3>and I was so hungry.

0:45:30.880 --> 0:45:33.440
<v Speaker 4>Just went out in the road and said, just arrest me.

0:45:33.920 --> 0:45:36.360
<v Speaker 2>Somebody laid down and then a squirrel.

0:45:36.320 --> 0:45:38.560
<v Speaker 4>Came over and brought me a hammurger.

0:45:38.719 --> 0:45:39.360
<v Speaker 2>One of your buddies.

0:45:39.360 --> 0:45:39.799
<v Speaker 4>That's great.

0:45:39.880 --> 0:45:42.960
<v Speaker 2>Nice. Well, the FBI, they were stoked, right, and they

0:45:43.080 --> 0:45:45.960
<v Speaker 2>caught him because he calls him up, arranges his own arrest. Right,

0:45:46.000 --> 0:45:47.359
<v Speaker 2>they go and they pick him up, but they had

0:45:47.360 --> 0:45:50.400
<v Speaker 2>to acknowledge too the Chicago Press that this is just

0:45:50.440 --> 0:45:52.640
<v Speaker 2>a case of pure dumb luck, and they said, just

0:45:52.680 --> 0:45:54.640
<v Speaker 2>a matter of chances, someone called nine to one one

0:45:54.640 --> 0:45:56.240
<v Speaker 2>to report the license plate theft.

0:45:56.560 --> 0:45:59.640
<v Speaker 4>Good for them, right, yeah, exactly for the busy buddy.

0:45:59.520 --> 0:46:03.759
<v Speaker 2>Little shot the Chicago p D. The town. So, the

0:46:03.840 --> 0:46:06.120
<v Speaker 2>FBI estimated that the father and son bandit team stole

0:46:06.160 --> 0:46:08.640
<v Speaker 2>about a half million dollars in their multi year multi

0:46:08.640 --> 0:46:11.240
<v Speaker 2>state bank robbery spreef million. Yeah. They were just grabbing

0:46:11.239 --> 0:46:14.120
<v Speaker 2>like twenty grand here, twenty three grand there, eighteen grand around. Yeah,

0:46:14.120 --> 0:46:15.839
<v Speaker 2>basically whatever they get off of the they didn't. They

0:46:15.880 --> 0:46:18.080
<v Speaker 2>never hit a vault, so they always had small amounts.

0:46:18.120 --> 0:46:18.319
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

0:46:18.440 --> 0:46:20.080
<v Speaker 2>Anyway, the bigger reason why it took so long for

0:46:20.120 --> 0:46:21.799
<v Speaker 2>them to get caught was once they pulled on their

0:46:21.880 --> 0:46:24.160
<v Speaker 2>Ronald Reagan masks, they didn't pull them off until they

0:46:24.160 --> 0:46:26.719
<v Speaker 2>were safe back in their hideout. They were committed to

0:46:26.760 --> 0:46:29.279
<v Speaker 2>the bit. Elizabeth Wow. Yeah, once they were Reagan, they

0:46:29.320 --> 0:46:29.719
<v Speaker 2>stayed right.

0:46:30.000 --> 0:46:32.120
<v Speaker 4>Yeah. They were in character exactly like.

0:46:32.040 --> 0:46:34.880
<v Speaker 2>The little Dustin Hoffman's robbing you choices. So, one of

0:46:34.960 --> 0:46:37.640
<v Speaker 2>John the Hunter Junior's neighbors, a man named Brian Frack,

0:46:38.040 --> 0:46:40.000
<v Speaker 2>he told reporters. He was surprised to learn that his

0:46:40.040 --> 0:46:42.879
<v Speaker 2>neighbor was one of the flesh masked bandits. Track said,

0:46:42.880 --> 0:46:44.640
<v Speaker 2>and I quote, I don't know where he worked. We

0:46:44.680 --> 0:46:46.400
<v Speaker 2>always thought he was going to the health club with

0:46:46.400 --> 0:46:50.319
<v Speaker 2>the duffel bag he carried, so his father health nut,

0:46:50.400 --> 0:46:52.319
<v Speaker 2>John the Hunter the elder. He also had neighbors who

0:46:52.360 --> 0:46:55.239
<v Speaker 2>clocked him right. One neighbor, Marcos Garcia. He told the

0:46:55.400 --> 0:46:58.080
<v Speaker 2>press that the elder flesh mass band it was also

0:46:58.120 --> 0:47:00.360
<v Speaker 2>a quiet man who kept it himself, and then neighbors

0:47:00.360 --> 0:47:03.520
<v Speaker 2>always assumed he was retired. Right. Occasionally he would dramatically

0:47:03.600 --> 0:47:04.840
<v Speaker 2>change his appearance, though.

0:47:04.920 --> 0:47:07.600
<v Speaker 4>So as Garci hair like Ronald Reagan.

0:47:07.480 --> 0:47:10.000
<v Speaker 2>No exactly, as Garcia recalled, he had gray hair around

0:47:10.080 --> 0:47:11.600
<v Speaker 2>Christmas and he dyed his hair black.

0:47:12.239 --> 0:47:15.800
<v Speaker 4>He did, yeah, yeah, just die.

0:47:15.680 --> 0:47:18.279
<v Speaker 2>One for the Gipper. So once the father and son

0:47:18.320 --> 0:47:19.920
<v Speaker 2>they get caught, the FBI and the DJ and they

0:47:19.920 --> 0:47:21.960
<v Speaker 2>threw all the laws out of Elizabeth. The father and

0:47:21.960 --> 0:47:24.440
<v Speaker 2>sons bands they get charged with sixty six count indictment.

0:47:24.800 --> 0:47:26.640
<v Speaker 2>That's a lot. And at the time, John the Elder

0:47:26.680 --> 0:47:28.960
<v Speaker 2>was fifty five, John the Younger was twenty eight. The

0:47:29.000 --> 0:47:31.600
<v Speaker 2>pairent they get charged with thirty three bank robberies. Once again,

0:47:31.640 --> 0:47:33.320
<v Speaker 2>that guy's like, we're not giving you the record like

0:47:33.400 --> 0:47:36.920
<v Speaker 2>fun exactly. So between nineteen ninety nineteen ninety three they

0:47:36.920 --> 0:47:39.160
<v Speaker 2>wouldn't throw in the other ones. I guess. Prosecutors relied

0:47:39.200 --> 0:47:42.640
<v Speaker 2>on quote a day calendar with handwritten notations corresponding to

0:47:42.680 --> 0:47:45.400
<v Speaker 2>the dates and amounts taken in du Caucus robberies committed

0:47:45.400 --> 0:47:47.400
<v Speaker 2>from January nineteen ninety three to the present.

0:47:48.920 --> 0:47:51.480
<v Speaker 4>Wait is it with this note taking people?

0:47:52.000 --> 0:47:54.040
<v Speaker 3>I know, right, I mean, either come up with a

0:47:54.080 --> 0:47:56.080
<v Speaker 3>code or like use invisible ink or.

0:47:56.000 --> 0:47:58.360
<v Speaker 2>Something something like this whole like maybe commit some stuff

0:47:58.360 --> 0:48:00.960
<v Speaker 2>to memory. I don't know the accus robberies though, that

0:48:00.960 --> 0:48:03.239
<v Speaker 2>sounds like a John Grishop's style novel you'd buy in

0:48:03.239 --> 0:48:06.360
<v Speaker 2>the airport in to Caucus robberies. So in court, the

0:48:06.400 --> 0:48:09.480
<v Speaker 2>defenders they never spoke more than a one word answer. Yep, nope,

0:48:09.560 --> 0:48:11.600
<v Speaker 2>that's all they're saying. Right on the defense side, the

0:48:11.600 --> 0:48:14.320
<v Speaker 2>father and son bandits, they had defense attorney Edwin J.

0:48:14.520 --> 0:48:17.680
<v Speaker 2>Bells Now that's with a Z and his defense strategy

0:48:17.719 --> 0:48:19.440
<v Speaker 2>was based on the argument that the gunfight with the

0:48:19.480 --> 0:48:21.800
<v Speaker 2>police was never serious. You know, come on, there's joshing

0:48:21.840 --> 0:48:23.799
<v Speaker 2>around or has he put it, there was not an

0:48:23.800 --> 0:48:26.520
<v Speaker 2>intent to kill, but an intent to scare these officers.

0:48:26.560 --> 0:48:29.040
<v Speaker 2>They're trying to keep these cops at bay. So look,

0:48:29.160 --> 0:48:31.520
<v Speaker 2>that's your lawyer, and that's his argument. You are going

0:48:31.560 --> 0:48:32.000
<v Speaker 2>to jail.

0:48:32.120 --> 0:48:33.799
<v Speaker 4>Attorney j Bells so.

0:48:33.920 --> 0:48:36.000
<v Speaker 2>Mean, seemingly aware of the fact that they were losing

0:48:36.080 --> 0:48:38.760
<v Speaker 2>the case. Late in all the legal wrangling of the court,

0:48:39.120 --> 0:48:41.000
<v Speaker 2>the father, John the Hunter of the Elder, he finally

0:48:41.040 --> 0:48:43.160
<v Speaker 2>said more than one word and he decided he'd speak

0:48:43.200 --> 0:48:45.000
<v Speaker 2>up and try to save his son. He testified that

0:48:45.000 --> 0:48:47.240
<v Speaker 2>his son wasn't even in the camera and then instead

0:48:47.239 --> 0:48:49.520
<v Speaker 2>it was his friend, Frank Wilson. Yeah, he was in

0:48:49.520 --> 0:48:53.320
<v Speaker 2>the car with me. So Frank Wilson is Frank Wilson

0:48:53.320 --> 0:48:56.000
<v Speaker 2>my buddy. You don't know him. He's from Canada. So

0:48:56.120 --> 0:48:59.240
<v Speaker 2>Hunter the Elder, right, he testified when the officer chased Wilson,

0:48:59.280 --> 0:49:00.840
<v Speaker 2>my son got out of the car and ran across

0:49:00.880 --> 0:49:04.120
<v Speaker 2>the street. So he's going with it, right. Prosecutors laughing

0:49:04.160 --> 0:49:07.200
<v Speaker 2>at this, like literally mocking him in court about this

0:49:07.200 --> 0:49:10.520
<v Speaker 2>this last minute hail Mary's legal strategy. He's calling the

0:49:10.520 --> 0:49:13.040
<v Speaker 2>friend fictitious. Frank. He's like, look, we've heard enough about

0:49:13.080 --> 0:49:17.000
<v Speaker 2>fictitious Frank. Oh yeah, and he told the jury you

0:49:17.040 --> 0:49:19.319
<v Speaker 2>have to discount all the evidence to believe him. What

0:49:19.400 --> 0:49:21.760
<v Speaker 2>you have here is a classic example of a dad

0:49:21.840 --> 0:49:25.479
<v Speaker 2>trying to protect his son. So you'll forget about fictitious Frank.

0:49:25.840 --> 0:49:28.799
<v Speaker 2>The trial concludes, Elizabeth, the jury deliberates. What do you

0:49:28.800 --> 0:49:29.760
<v Speaker 2>think was their verdict?

0:49:31.120 --> 0:49:31.720
<v Speaker 4>Not guilty?

0:49:34.000 --> 0:49:38.319
<v Speaker 2>Guilty mostly John the Hunter the Elder he gets found

0:49:38.320 --> 0:49:40.600
<v Speaker 2>guilty on two counts of attempted murder and twelve other

0:49:40.640 --> 0:49:43.040
<v Speaker 2>fellon accounts of the bank robbering and so forth. For

0:49:43.120 --> 0:49:45.880
<v Speaker 2>his son, John the Hunter the Younger, the jury was

0:49:45.880 --> 0:49:48.000
<v Speaker 2>a little less certain. They couldn't place him in the car.

0:49:48.040 --> 0:49:52.120
<v Speaker 2>Apparently it worked the course exactly, but he's only He

0:49:52.160 --> 0:49:54.920
<v Speaker 2>gets convicted on charges of accepting stolen property for the

0:49:54.960 --> 0:49:56.840
<v Speaker 2>license plate theft. They could only get it.

0:49:56.880 --> 0:49:58.440
<v Speaker 4>Introduce doubt, yep.

0:49:58.800 --> 0:50:00.840
<v Speaker 2>John the Hunter the Elder gets sent ten to eighty

0:50:00.920 --> 0:50:04.279
<v Speaker 2>years in prison. He's fifty five. He ain't never seen

0:50:04.360 --> 0:50:06.800
<v Speaker 2>sunshine again, all right? His son, John the Hunter the

0:50:06.840 --> 0:50:08.920
<v Speaker 2>Younger was sentenced to just three years in prison for

0:50:08.960 --> 0:50:11.839
<v Speaker 2>his involvement. Wow, and with that, their record setting run

0:50:12.040 --> 0:50:13.040
<v Speaker 2>was over and done.

0:50:13.120 --> 0:50:15.560
<v Speaker 4>Do you think he feels guilt that his dad's doing well.

0:50:15.560 --> 0:50:16.400
<v Speaker 4>His dad started it.

0:50:16.480 --> 0:50:17.600
<v Speaker 2>Ye, his dad tried to make the move.

0:50:17.600 --> 0:50:19.799
<v Speaker 4>I think he yeah, he was just maybe his dad

0:50:19.880 --> 0:50:20.920
<v Speaker 4>was forcing him to do it.

0:50:21.160 --> 0:50:24.000
<v Speaker 2>There you go. That's the end of the flesh masked bandits. Elizabeth,

0:50:24.040 --> 0:50:25.359
<v Speaker 2>what's our ridiculous takeaway here?

0:50:25.480 --> 0:50:25.880
<v Speaker 5>Oh?

0:50:25.960 --> 0:50:26.200
<v Speaker 6>Man?

0:50:26.640 --> 0:50:29.040
<v Speaker 4>You know, if you're gonna use a mask, use a

0:50:29.560 --> 0:50:31.000
<v Speaker 4>really obscure.

0:50:30.480 --> 0:50:34.960
<v Speaker 2>One, obscure mass, obscure mass, like like, what what are

0:50:34.960 --> 0:50:35.279
<v Speaker 2>we talking?

0:50:35.320 --> 0:50:36.800
<v Speaker 3>Are like if they're like, oh, there was a Reagan

0:50:36.920 --> 0:50:39.319
<v Speaker 3>mask and then people are looking around for other car

0:50:39.600 --> 0:50:41.120
<v Speaker 3>drivers with Reagan masksh.

0:50:40.840 --> 0:50:43.680
<v Speaker 2>I'd be wearing like a Marcel do shomp mask. Yes, yes,

0:50:43.880 --> 0:50:45.560
<v Speaker 2>a Hochi min mask. Like what are we talking?

0:50:45.640 --> 0:50:48.440
<v Speaker 4>Air Well, I'm thinking like a Boutros Buttros golly mas?

0:50:48.520 --> 0:50:50.919
<v Speaker 2>Can I get like an e I mean yeah, sures

0:50:50.920 --> 0:50:56.560
<v Speaker 2>Butros Collie ye, yes? Or Secretary General that's Weinberger mash.

0:50:56.760 --> 0:51:02.640
<v Speaker 3>That's good, um Pete bootage edge keep it modern.

0:51:02.440 --> 0:51:11.359
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, Ralph, Yeah, so you know Ross Perot.

0:51:11.200 --> 0:51:16.080
<v Speaker 2>Mask with withe like with the ears coming out with

0:51:16.160 --> 0:51:17.040
<v Speaker 2>the pointy big wi.

0:51:17.360 --> 0:51:17.560
<v Speaker 4>Yes.

0:51:17.640 --> 0:51:20.040
<v Speaker 3>I'm just saying like, go go deep into the into

0:51:20.040 --> 0:51:23.160
<v Speaker 3>the archives, but you're not particularly recognizable.

0:51:23.239 --> 0:51:26.560
<v Speaker 4>Sarn that's my ridiculous take it there you go.

0:51:26.600 --> 0:51:28.400
<v Speaker 2>Well, thank you for not asking, because I don't have

0:51:28.440 --> 0:51:31.759
<v Speaker 2>one for you, so we're even. Hey, pretty, can you

0:51:32.440 --> 0:51:33.879
<v Speaker 2>mellow out this vibe with a talk?

0:51:34.200 --> 0:51:34.359
<v Speaker 4>Yeah?

0:51:34.440 --> 0:51:35.960
<v Speaker 2>Hit me, I got just the thing.

0:51:40.520 --> 0:51:54.080
<v Speaker 5>Oh my god, I I have something ridiculous.

0:51:54.400 --> 0:51:57.640
<v Speaker 6>I think is going to take two to three talkbacks.

0:51:57.920 --> 0:52:00.600
<v Speaker 6>It's from Weird History one oh one and a book

0:52:00.600 --> 0:52:04.560
<v Speaker 6>by John Richard Stevens. I'm going to read a portion

0:52:04.680 --> 0:52:08.240
<v Speaker 6>to you. At one famous trial in France in fifteen

0:52:08.320 --> 0:52:11.719
<v Speaker 6>twenty two, some rats were charged with felonious eating and

0:52:11.840 --> 0:52:16.480
<v Speaker 6>one timely destroying the province's barley crop, and so were

0:52:16.600 --> 0:52:17.759
<v Speaker 6>ordered to appear in.

0:52:17.800 --> 0:52:19.879
<v Speaker 4>Court part two.

0:52:20.280 --> 0:52:23.200
<v Speaker 6>When they failed to show, the rats attorney argued that

0:52:23.239 --> 0:52:26.400
<v Speaker 6>the summons was too specific. He insisted that all the

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<v Speaker 6>rats in the diocese should be summoned, that the summonses

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<v Speaker 6>should be read from the pulpits of all the parishes

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<v Speaker 6>in the area. The court agreed, and another hearing was scheduled.

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<v Speaker 6>When the rats again failed to appear, The defense attorney

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<v Speaker 6>explained that the rats really did want to come to court,

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<v Speaker 6>but were afraid to leave their holes and make their

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<v Speaker 6>long journey because of the vigilance of the plaintiff's cats.

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<v Speaker 6>He added that the rats would appear if the plaintiffs

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<v Speaker 6>posted bonds under heavy penalties that the cats would not

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<v Speaker 6>molest his clients. The judges thought this was fair, but

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<v Speaker 6>the plaintiffs refused to be responsible for the behavior of

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<v Speaker 6>their cats, so the case was adjourned without setting a

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<v Speaker 6>date for another hearing, which in effect ended the case

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<v Speaker 6>in the rats favor. The attorney, named Bartholomew Chousina went

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<v Speaker 6>on to become a famous French lawyer. That is ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 3>Also, but there's this like surreal quality where I feel

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<v Speaker 3>like we're in high school and the teacher asked her

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<v Speaker 3>to read from the book and we're all.

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<v Speaker 4>Sitting there and getting really confused. This is amazing. Thank

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<v Speaker 4>you so much.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, thank you. That was great.

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