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Speaker 1: Ridiculous Crime is a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Uh okay, Hey Elizabeth Duttan, Hey, thank ah, I just

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Speaker 2: woke up. You know it's ridiculous, I do okay.

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Speaker 3: What you you have blue hair? Yes, I mean that's

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Speaker 3: a little ridiculous, but it's not really.

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Speaker 2: Really, it's it's kind of ridiculous.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so you have blue hair? Do you live by

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Speaker 3: your own rules? Because of the blue hair?

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Speaker 2: Not because of the blue hair, but it's kind of

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Speaker 2: indicative that I do live by my own rules.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. And I've had blue hair before.

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Speaker 2: Have you had red?

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Speaker 4: I've had red, pink flor Oh.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good look for.

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Speaker 3: I've never you know, I've never gone into like the

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Speaker 3: yellow orange.

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Speaker 2: No, I think yellow orange is actually kind of hard

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Speaker 2: to wear for most human skin tones.

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Speaker 3: But if you live by your own rules, and if

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Speaker 3: you live la dulce velvida, which is apparently a lifestyle, yeah,

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Speaker 3: hold hold on to your pants. Ladulce velvida is a lifestyle, Saren,

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Speaker 3: And if you really want to live it out loud,

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Speaker 3: you can die your hair velveta gold.

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Speaker 2: Uh huh yeah, so velvida dulcevelvida. Yeah, they did this

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Speaker 2: to my man. Fellini.

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Speaker 4: Yes, okay, did go on.

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Speaker 3: So Velvida is launching its very first hair dye, Velveta Gold.

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Speaker 3: Now here's the thing. They put out this press release

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Speaker 3: on April first, twenty four, so I'm like, oh, this

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Speaker 3: is another garbage. We get so many messages about bad

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Speaker 3: fake product mashups around April Fool's Day. Of course, this

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Speaker 3: one came in from listener Jill Patterson, who was the

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Speaker 3: only person to stumble across this this beauty.

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Speaker 4: So I look it up.

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Speaker 3: I'm like, okay, well it's got to be like fake.

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Speaker 3: But then I go to Amazon and you can buy

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Speaker 3: Velvida Gold semi permanent hair color. It is the color

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Speaker 3: of Velvida. And you know how they launched it, like

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Speaker 3: how they their big product launched. They it says the

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Speaker 3: brand tapped the queen of self expression and unapologetic boldness.

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Speaker 3: Julia Fox, that cuckoo.

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Speaker 2: Bird, Yeah, the one who's with Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So she's a little bonkers and she she'd wore it

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Speaker 3: around town. I don't know, there's pictures of her with

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Speaker 3: Velvida hair.

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Speaker 2: It's a very specific color.

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Speaker 3: It is very specific and it's spot on. When she

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Speaker 3: has it in her hair, she looks like she got

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Speaker 3: a bunch of velveto on her.

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Speaker 2: Well, let me know when they have cheese whiz color.

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Speaker 2: That's the pretty much the same. But I want the ruffling.

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Speaker 4: What I'm trying to say is, if.

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Speaker 3: You truly lived by your own rules, you would ditch

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Speaker 3: the blue and go with velveta gold.

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Speaker 2: But if I listened to you, I'd be listening to

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Speaker 2: someone else's rule.

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Speaker 4: No, I'm I'm omnipotent.

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Speaker 2: You're just suggesting. Is that going with the wind?

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Speaker 3: Like, yeah, if I you know whatever, Okay, fine, you

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Speaker 3: make a point there.

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Speaker 2: Well that is ridiculous. I know it is, Elizabeth. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I got one for you. Okay, yeah, Okay. You're working

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Speaker 2: your day job at a small suburban bank, right, ok,

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Speaker 2: just a normal Friday morning, and then boom, all of

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Speaker 2: a sudden, you look up and you have a firearm

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Speaker 2: pointed in your face. I don't like that, I know, right.

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Speaker 2: Which gets worse because the man holding the gun he

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Speaker 2: looks like President George Bush. That's George Herbert Walker Bush,

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Speaker 2: the first one, not the dumb fun son Elizabeth. This

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Speaker 2: one is a wild story. This is Ridiculous Crime a

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Speaker 2: podcast about absurd and outrageous capers. Heists and cons. It's

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Speaker 2: always ninety nine percent murder free and one percent ridiculous. Yes, oh,

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Speaker 2: Elizabeth Is I know you don't watch TV, right you know, no,

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Speaker 2: I don't, but you do watch movies, right?

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Speaker 4: Yeah? Sure?

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Speaker 2: Okay, what's your favorite bank robber movie?

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Speaker 4: You've asked me this Q and I said, I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I gave you time, like weeks, months, possibly, I don't remember.

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Speaker 2: What's your favorite one?

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Speaker 4: The bank Robber?

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Speaker 2: Okay, your new answer is Point Break?

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Speaker 4: Now I gave you I do love that movie.

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Speaker 2: Okay, there you go. Next time I ask you, my

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Speaker 2: favorite bank robber movie is point point Break.

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Speaker 3: I remember that point Break Point Break, because otherwise I

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Speaker 3: of the Bank Vault.

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Speaker 2: It's French you probably haven't seen. Yeah. Well, I think

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Speaker 2: Point Break is good for you as your favorite.

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Speaker 4: Because you you have an f b I agent.

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Speaker 2: You already know it exactly. So what's your third favorite scene?

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Speaker 4: When can is all wet?

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Speaker 2: So I'll tell you? Thanks for asking? Okay, yeah, it's

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Speaker 2: pretty today. What's your third favorite scene in Point Break?

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Speaker 2: It's simple? Uh, Nick nalty utah, give me.

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Speaker 4: Two wait, flee and Anthony Keitas.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they are.

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Speaker 3: That's my that's my third favorite anything. They're in fight

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Speaker 3: on the beach huh.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they can break surfboards and stuff.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I like it. Okay, I don't like the whole

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Speaker 2: In general, any of the party scenes.

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Speaker 4: Isn't there like a beach party scene, the moon Doggie.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they have played football and then they have moon

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Speaker 2: Doggie with they're squirting.

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Speaker 2: I don't like that in the Yeah, I don't like that.

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Speaker 2: Don't like any of that. Okay, Well, anyway, Pois Break, Yes,

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Speaker 2: aside from the party scene. It was directed Catherine Right, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: and came out in nineteen ninety one, So remember that date,

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Speaker 2: nineteen ninety one. It'll be important later. Okay, now you

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Speaker 2: know the gist of the movie. We kind of gone

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Speaker 2: over that. But a gang of Malibuu surfers they rob

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Speaker 2: banks in LA to pay for their life of surfing

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Speaker 2: and skydiving and just generally getting.

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Speaker 4: Radical Reagan masks.

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Speaker 2: Yes, and when the surfer gang robs the banks, they

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Speaker 2: wear the mask of ex presidents, So they wear the

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Speaker 2: Halloween mask of Ronald Reagan, LBJ, Jimmy Carter and Tricky

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Speaker 2: Dick Nixon. Because you got to have ticky Dick Nixon.

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Speaker 2: So well, point Brak came out nineteen ninety one.

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Speaker 4: The idea came out in nineteen ninety one, by the way.

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Speaker 2: Yes, it began in the eighties, right. A producer apparently

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Speaker 2: this is the story. He says he took a surf lesson. Afterwards,

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Speaker 2: he's sitting on the beach watching other surfers, and he

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Speaker 2: thinks to himself, hmmm, A gang of surfers robs banks

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Speaker 2: in LA to pay for their surf safaris, and an

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Speaker 2: athletic FBI agent starts surfing to go undercover. Boom. That's

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Speaker 2: pretty much the whole story.

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Speaker 3: It sounds so bad when you described it that way,

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Speaker 3: but it's so good, like the athletic FBI like.

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Speaker 2: This song named Johnny Utah.

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Speaker 4: Johnny, Like would you take a step.

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Speaker 2: Back, former college quarterback?

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Speaker 4: I just let myself get buried ignor it?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, Well, Catherin bigelows she infused into the script,

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Speaker 2: the script. That makes it rise above your basic genre picture.

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Speaker 6: Right.

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Speaker 2: She turns it into this indie crime film with big

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Speaker 2: name stars, and you know she also sees that keanner

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Speaker 2: Reeves could be the next great action star. She's the

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Speaker 4: She makes him and it came out in nineteen ninety one.

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Speaker 2: Exactly good before any of the other movies.

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Speaker 4: Yes, A Walk to Remember, even.

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Speaker 2: Johnny Mnaeamonic I believe, and the early like, let's make

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Speaker 2: Kean into something the post speed movies Fielding Minnesota. Wow,

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Speaker 2: that's a deep ball, Okay, fun fact I learned in

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Speaker 2: the original draft of the script the bank robbing surfers

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Speaker 2: they wore the Halloween masks of ex presidents, but they

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Speaker 4: Do you like your dead president's crispy?

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Speaker 2: Of course you know this. So entered the director James Cameron,

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Speaker 2: who happened to be Catherine Biglow's husband at the time.

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Speaker 3: Right, So maybe one we're getting into like T two

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Speaker 2: on a script rewrite, Cameron tells her having George Washington

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Speaker 2: er Reagan. So she's like a good point, Jim changes

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Speaker 2: getting robbed by Dick Nixon. How much funnier that is

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Speaker 2: than getting robbed by George Washington? General Grant, I mean, like,

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Speaker 2: how would you even as this? Not to like pick

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Speaker 3: Well, with Nixon you can do like the voice and

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Speaker 4: But what do you do for for like Washington, You're like, here's.

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Speaker 2: it's a penny. So also, if you have like Reagan, right,

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Speaker 2: this is the eighties so it's very music video heavy, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: missed all these opportunities. Anyway, I'm not going to pick

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Speaker 4: On the screenwriter, well no, I got.

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Speaker 2: Fixed, yeah basically sorry, But like if it's Reagan, you

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Speaker 2: can know all those eighties jokes. It'll be like, sir,

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Speaker 2: haven't you done enough to the country? You know? Like sure,

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Speaker 2: But anyway, I bring up Point.

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Speaker 4: Break timely humor exactly stands time.

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Speaker 2: So for the reason I bring up Point Break, Elizabeth because.

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Speaker 4: It came out in ninety ninety one.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, good memory. Well, we're not going to just

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Speaker 2: keep talking about what a dope movie is for a

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Speaker 2: full episode. I know you could, as fun as that

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Speaker 2: for you. Right, the screenwriter who first came up with

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Speaker 2: the idea in the mid to late eighties, at that

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Speaker 2: eighty sitada, there was someone working on the exact same idea,

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Speaker 2: except for this person, they did it in reality.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, it wasn't like a deep impact ormageddon.

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Speaker 2: No, oh exactly beautiful. Like, let's pick the same movie

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Speaker 2: different now.

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Speaker 4: I love when that happened.

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Speaker 2: It happens often the sentergy of that in Hollywood. Yeah, So,

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Speaker 2: from what I can tell, the real ones in this way,

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Speaker 2: the real bank robber in no way inspired the screenwriter

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Speaker 2: to PenPoint Break. He was apparently not aware that this

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Speaker 2: story took place. He never mentions. I looked at a

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Speaker 2: bunch of a bunch of his like inspiration and interviews

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Speaker 2: of like how we came up with it? Nothing right drug?

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Speaker 2: So yeah, this cat right. He starts way back in

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Speaker 2: nineteen eighty Citada, and there's this bank robber in the

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Speaker 2: masks of presidents nice and he's wearing Timely won so

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Speaker 2: he's wearing Reagan. Okay, right, he gets it right. This

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Speaker 2: just before the movie, the ex president bank robber is

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Speaker 4: The flesh masked band. Yes, that's not easy to get

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Speaker 2: Oh my god. No. And also first I kept thinking

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Speaker 2: past tense flesh masks. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Anyway we're trying to mask into a verb.

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Speaker 4: You just call it the masked bandit.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because the flesh mask is important, because bandits the

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Speaker 2: flesh daddy. So, Elizabeth, if you were going to start

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Speaker 4: Name the skin bandits.

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Speaker 2: I don't want to be the I think the one

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Speaker 4: Bandit, the one eyed Jack band Yeah.

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Speaker 2: You see, my calling card would be a literal playing card.

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Speaker 2: I would just leave a one eyed Jack. That way,

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Speaker 2: they'd be like, ah, the one eyed Jack bandit. Again.

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Speaker 3: I would just get like fully sunburned and then go

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Speaker 4: People would be like, it's so gross. They get away

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Speaker 2: On me and the skin.

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Speaker 4: Here's the thing, it's not my skin, it's Elmer's glue.

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Speaker 3: And then there's no DNA on it. There's touch DNA,

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Speaker 3: but we're going to pretend like that doesn't exist. Okay,

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Speaker 4: And they're like, oh, skin band it, come on.

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Speaker 2: That's so grossic book bankrupt, like a Dick Tracy level.

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Speaker 2: It's good. I kind of pictured you as like having

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Speaker 4: That'd be pretty cool.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, everyone's distracted. They're petting the dogs, all.

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Speaker 2: My finger there they take all the money.

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Speaker 4: Chewings and they take the money and then we run.

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Speaker 2: I was picturing Elizabeth as it's like, you know, we

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Speaker 2: Would you be like the December shirt bandit like something

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Speaker 3: I would wear a December shirt with my dog pack.

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Speaker 3: I would have a rotisserie chicken in my mouth, and

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Speaker 2: No, you can't a whole rotisserie chicken.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, sure, and then I not like a quarter dark,

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Speaker 4: It's the whole thing, the whole thing. And then I

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Speaker 2: It's so good the dogs would be happy.

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Speaker 4: I'm going to be famous.

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Speaker 2: Nineteen nineties, the Fleshbacks, mask bandit. I can't even say it.

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Speaker 2: It got back into business across the country. Bank robberies

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Speaker 4: Like seventies, eighties, I guess into the early nineties.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the nineties is really what it is like popping off.

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Speaker 4: You know what happened in ninety one, what happened on

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Speaker 2: That's it takes place in La. It's about a bank robbery.

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Speaker 2: It was deregulation, bank deregulation. When the banks were deregulated

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Speaker 4: Commuters, a post savings and loan issue.

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Speaker 2: Uh yeah, exactly, bank's like eighty seven. Yeah, so this

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Speaker 2: have this crop up all about these little tiny suburban banks. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: bank robbers noticed that this is really close to freeways.

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Speaker 2: It's easy is there in leafy residential neighborhoods and a

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Speaker 4: Am, mushrooms after the rains.

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Speaker 2: Exactly, they become prime targets.

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Speaker 2: So the bank robbers, you know, typically we think them

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Speaker 2: Classic criminals like my man John Dilidger didn't even need

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Speaker 2: you guess how many bank robberies there were in one year?

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Speaker 2: I'll take a year nineteen thirty four. Take a guess

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Speaker 2: Now take a guest for nineteen ninety how many bank

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Speaker 2: to quote from the Tribune, quote, bank robbery is a

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Speaker 2: Even apart from the cartoonish get up you have to

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Speaker 2: first place, bank robbers aren't celebrities anymore, possibly because of

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Speaker 2: the nickname crisis. Even the man with the false faced disguise,

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Speaker 2: who is believed responsible for sixteen Northwest suburban robberies, including

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Speaker 2: the one Thursday in Streamwood, has done no better than

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Speaker 2: the flesh mask Bandit hardly a handle to sees the

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Speaker 2: popular imagination. Secondly, the hall just ain't what it used

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Speaker 2: to be. Willie Sutton, your boy Elizabeth, who rob banks

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Speaker 2: he said, and I quote because that's where the money is.

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Speaker 2: But in this era of computer finance and plastic transactions,

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Speaker 3: He's like a hipster bank robbery gatekeeper exactly.

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Speaker 4: It used to be so cool, but now too many

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Speaker 2: It's lame. So that's where we're at in the early nineties.

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Speaker 2: When my man the flesh mask bandit makes is emergence.

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Speaker 2: There's re emergence. Yeah, so let's take a little break.

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Speaker 2: We'll come back and we'll get into more bank robbery.

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Speaker 4: Let's do it.

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Speaker 2: Keep your skin on, all right, and we're back now

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Speaker 2: as we were talking about before baby Face Nelson in

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Speaker 2: thanks to the baby Face Nelson era, the FBI we

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Speaker 2: would be more like for kidnapping. The reason it became

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Speaker 2: So boom, Now they're getting on every bank robbery. Right,

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Speaker 2: So then if you add in the penalty if you

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Speaker 4: Oh you hack it?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Right, you hack it? Yes, with the key.

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Speaker 4: Here's the correct and it's called hacken.

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Speaker 2: So when you're when you when you're hacking and scraping cash, right, you,

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Speaker 2: Let's say you get tried for bank fraud or whatever

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Speaker 2: Right now, Let's say you walk into a bank and

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Speaker 2: at least five years in.

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Speaker 4: A federal pat a weapon.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's that's not the little security con. You're

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Speaker 2: most likely you're not gonna be hanging out with Wall

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Speaker 2: But you know you don't need to listen to me

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Speaker 4: Oh he sounds like a barrel fun Oh.

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Speaker 2: We got funded parties. Keating said, don't use a gun,

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Speaker 2: out with ten thousand dollars, society still thinks you deserve

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Speaker 2: only a slap on the wrist. But people keep robbing

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Speaker 2: But at the point being that banks they're kind of

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Speaker 2: I don't know why it is that it's if you

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Speaker 2: Until you get seven million dollars in eighteen months, wouldn't

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Speaker 2: you do that again?

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Speaker 3: Well, right, but if I if you rob it with

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Speaker 3: a pencil, if you forge a check, no one is traumatized.

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Speaker 3: But if you've got the point weapons, it's human trauma.

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Speaker 2: That's the money, that's the difference in the amount of money.

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Speaker 2: I say, yeah, I'm with you. I was.

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Speaker 3: Any time that you're you know, traumatizing or possibly injuring

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Speaker 2: So just even the traumatizing. Ye I'm not saying you're

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Speaker 3: no potential for death when you're forging a check, unless

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Speaker 2: You're just like, what about downstream effects?

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Speaker 5: Right?

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Speaker 2: You know what if people like you anyway, doesn't mean

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Speaker 2: So back to the flesh Mask bandit, Right, at the time,

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah. For instance, there was the pot Bellied Bandit. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Chicago police to call him a stout Man, a waddling

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Speaker 2: thief has successfully robbed about six banks, right, so yeah,

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Speaker 2: up to the teller, hand her a wrinkled paper bag

437
00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:43,959
Speaker 2: from a fast food restaurant, and you tell her to

438
00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:45,760
Speaker 2: fill up the bag with cash, right.

439
00:20:45,640 --> 00:20:49,040
Speaker 4: Like he's really like a trim guy wearing a fake tummy.

440
00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:50,760
Speaker 2: That would be smart, Yeah, and then like.

441
00:20:50,760 --> 00:20:54,320
Speaker 3: Just just pregnancy it up with like the fast food bag.

442
00:20:54,359 --> 00:20:57,719
Speaker 4: Look at me, I'm a potbelly, and they that's all

443
00:20:57,760 --> 00:20:59,160
Speaker 4: they remember, just.

444
00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:02,280
Speaker 2: A painted pot belly. Just lets his shirt lift up

445
00:21:02,280 --> 00:21:03,960
Speaker 2: a little bit so you really get a good look

446
00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:06,119
Speaker 2: at it. So there are also the bank robbers who

447
00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:09,359
Speaker 2: didn't earn nicknames Elizabeth, like John Wortman. Yeah, he was

448
00:21:09,359 --> 00:21:11,240
Speaker 2: sitting in his car outside the bank. He put on

449
00:21:11,280 --> 00:21:13,600
Speaker 2: his surgical mask, and he pulled on his knit hat,

450
00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:16,200
Speaker 2: and then apparently he lost his nerve because he pulled

451
00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:18,680
Speaker 2: it all back off. And then he waited a little

452
00:21:18,720 --> 00:21:20,200
Speaker 2: bit and he hyped himself up, and he pulled on

453
00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:22,760
Speaker 2: his surgical mask, he pulled on his knit cap, and

454
00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:24,800
Speaker 2: then he pulled that back off. And then then he

455
00:21:24,840 --> 00:21:26,639
Speaker 2: hiped himself up, being okad, I gotta do this, and

456
00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:28,399
Speaker 2: he pulled on his surgical mask, he pulled on his

457
00:21:28,440 --> 00:21:30,640
Speaker 2: knad hat before he walked into the bank. Someone saw

458
00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:32,159
Speaker 2: him doing this. It called nine to one one. The

459
00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:34,600
Speaker 2: cops arrived. They watched him do this, They approached the car.

460
00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:37,080
Speaker 2: They eventually arrest him before he even set foot in

461
00:21:37,320 --> 00:21:41,400
Speaker 2: the bank. Apparently intentional bank robbery. I don't quite get

462
00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:43,879
Speaker 2: how this lays out, but that's enough evidence for them

463
00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:46,280
Speaker 2: that got him on bank robbery charges, right there was

464
00:21:46,359 --> 00:21:48,760
Speaker 2: How about this guy the cross country runner, This dude,

465
00:21:48,760 --> 00:21:50,479
Speaker 2: he should have had a nickname. He would have if

466
00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:53,120
Speaker 2: he gotten like he probably got a pretty cool nickname

467
00:21:53,160 --> 00:21:54,080
Speaker 2: if he got away with.

468
00:21:54,040 --> 00:21:55,560
Speaker 4: It, even make it into the bank.

469
00:21:56,400 --> 00:21:58,080
Speaker 2: He did make it into the bank, but he did

470
00:21:58,119 --> 00:22:00,840
Speaker 2: not get away with his first robbery. Right, Yeah, so

471
00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:03,640
Speaker 2: William Burzawa, he walked into a bank in the Chicago

472
00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:06,359
Speaker 2: Land area and he robbed it and he fled on foot.

473
00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:08,600
Speaker 2: But see that was his plan. Cross country runner that

474
00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:11,280
Speaker 2: he was. He was, Yeah, he's not a long distance

475
00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:13,679
Speaker 2: runner of those cops. Right, he takes off running, but

476
00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:16,280
Speaker 2: he did not anticipate there'd be multiple cops coming from

477
00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:17,439
Speaker 2: different angles, so he just.

478
00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:18,439
Speaker 4: Like in cars.

479
00:22:18,520 --> 00:22:21,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, so four officers just basically run him down and

480
00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:23,280
Speaker 2: ten minutes later there he is.

481
00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:27,080
Speaker 4: Buildiness, he's going in the distance, Yeah, exactly, He's.

482
00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:32,520
Speaker 2: Not going with speed. So the big hidden factor beside

483
00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:35,240
Speaker 2: the deregulation of banks, right, that led to small branches

484
00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:37,320
Speaker 2: being he was easier to rob There was also a

485
00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:40,000
Speaker 2: recession in the nineteen ninety nineteen ninety one time, so

486
00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:43,240
Speaker 2: people are losing their jobs. You also have just immediate need, right,

487
00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:47,439
Speaker 2: so people had hard reasons. Ron Hosco, acting supervisor of

488
00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:50,879
Speaker 2: the FBI's Violent Crime Task Course and Robbery Division at

489
00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:53,840
Speaker 2: that time, he saw the economic drivers and he was like,

490
00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:56,080
Speaker 2: that's really a big push. He said, and I quote

491
00:22:56,080 --> 00:22:57,879
Speaker 2: there are people who may have lost their jobs. They

492
00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:00,000
Speaker 2: see a bank, a big institution with all the money,

493
00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:03,159
Speaker 2: they think they can outsmart the law once or twice.

494
00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:05,840
Speaker 2: To them, it's just a crime of opportunity. It's not planned.

495
00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:08,040
Speaker 2: So that was like I think most of the people

496
00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:10,639
Speaker 2: I just mentioned, right, So at this point the FBI

497
00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:12,800
Speaker 2: is getting their clearance rate on robberies, what do you

498
00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:16,600
Speaker 2: think it is catching the robbers? Not that good? Seventy

499
00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:18,960
Speaker 2: five percent and had gone up from two thirds to

500
00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:22,240
Speaker 2: seventy five. Yeah, so there's improving, right. So those are

501
00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:24,520
Speaker 2: pretty mean odds to play if you're playing the FBI

502
00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:27,640
Speaker 2: or this bank like a casino. But bank robbers lined

503
00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:29,800
Speaker 2: up all through the nineties to beat those lean ods

504
00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:32,600
Speaker 2: like one in four chance. I'm taking it. Enter the

505
00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:37,000
Speaker 2: Flesh Mask Bandit or should I say the flesh Mask Bandits?

506
00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:38,280
Speaker 4: Oh plural?

507
00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:39,119
Speaker 2: Yeah?

508
00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:41,919
Speaker 4: Who gave them this name? The tops? The press?

509
00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:44,400
Speaker 2: The press? Yeah, yeah, because.

510
00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:45,720
Speaker 4: I expect better from them.

511
00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:47,879
Speaker 2: They had it right there in the original reporting. They

512
00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:50,120
Speaker 2: talked about how he's wearing a halloween mask. You could

513
00:23:50,119 --> 00:23:52,440
Speaker 2: call him the Halloween Mask bandit. He's wearing a halloween

514
00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:54,320
Speaker 2: mask that looks like an ex president. You can call

515
00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:55,520
Speaker 2: them the ex president bandit.

516
00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:55,959
Speaker 4: President.

517
00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:57,880
Speaker 2: You call them the Dead President band to get hip

518
00:23:57,920 --> 00:23:59,960
Speaker 2: hop about it. But no, what do they do there?

519
00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:03,119
Speaker 2: Flesh mask brandish because like one person said, he was

520
00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:05,520
Speaker 2: wearing a fleshy mask. Another person said he was wearing

521
00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:09,200
Speaker 2: a mask. Was flesh color to the flesh Mask Bandit anyway,

522
00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:13,080
Speaker 2: So dude's name, I'll just telly, Yeah, John T. Hunter.

523
00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:15,320
Speaker 2: That's our man of the John Hunter. Yeah, but not

524
00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:17,920
Speaker 2: John the Hunter, Elizabeth the tea is I don't know

525
00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:21,680
Speaker 2: what the he stands for. We'll just say Tiberia though, like, okay,

526
00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:24,280
Speaker 2: there you go, John the Hunter. So, John the Hunter.

527
00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:26,720
Speaker 2: He was in the Chicago Land area in the seventies

528
00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:29,439
Speaker 2: and the eighties. He gets married, has a son. Nineteen

529
00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:32,919
Speaker 2: eighty six, opens an electronics wholesale parts company. Right, he

530
00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:37,120
Speaker 2: names it a Universal Flash Controls. Really inspired, all right,

531
00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:39,800
Speaker 2: but it was right for the time, or maybe a

532
00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:41,879
Speaker 2: little bit too late. Anyway, the business closed in nineteen

533
00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:44,480
Speaker 2: eighty nine, and just after three years of being a business.

534
00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:48,040
Speaker 2: Perhaps it was the economic downturn following the October nineteenth,

535
00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:51,520
Speaker 2: nineteen eighty seven financial crash. AKA, yes, that could be.

536
00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:54,160
Speaker 2: That would be a probably a big factor. Anyway, Black

537
00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:57,480
Speaker 2: Monday probably changed his life. That craters the economy hurts

538
00:24:57,560 --> 00:25:00,520
Speaker 2: businesses like Universal Flash Controls. He decides to even with

539
00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:00,960
Speaker 2: the banks.

540
00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:03,360
Speaker 3: Oh, so he's going to become a dancer and call

541
00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:05,000
Speaker 3: himself John the Hunter.

542
00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:06,760
Speaker 2: There you go. That would be a good way to

543
00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:09,440
Speaker 2: get even with the banks if the banks were John's Yeah,

544
00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:10,480
Speaker 2: at strip clubs.

545
00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:10,680
Speaker 5: Now.

546
00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:12,639
Speaker 2: At the same time, he had a son who just

547
00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:16,480
Speaker 2: left college Loyola University, graduates in nineteen eighty eight with

548
00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:19,919
Speaker 2: a degree in business administration. Smart kid. Right after college,

549
00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:22,240
Speaker 2: he becomes a CPA. That's a public accountant. As you know,

550
00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:26,720
Speaker 2: his boss said, John Junior was quote the typical stereotype

551
00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:31,160
Speaker 2: of an accountant. Oh so he was quote quiet, well dressed,

552
00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:33,679
Speaker 2: mild mannered, meticulous.

553
00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:34,080
Speaker 4: Mild manner.

554
00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:37,320
Speaker 2: Yah. Dude gets married in nineteen ninety one, a June wedding,

555
00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:39,440
Speaker 2: same year that point break came out, Elizabeth.

556
00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:39,959
Speaker 4: Is that the year?

557
00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:42,639
Speaker 2: Keep yea nineteen ninety one. Yeah, so by April ninety

558
00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:45,480
Speaker 2: two he's divorced. Yeah that's oh no, Yeah, that's about

559
00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:48,000
Speaker 2: when he decided to go into the family business. So

560
00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:50,760
Speaker 2: it turns out John the Hunter the Elder was a

561
00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:53,640
Speaker 2: bank robber, and he'd rob two banks in nineteen eighty five.

562
00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:56,080
Speaker 2: Right then things went a little quiet until March of

563
00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:57,920
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety, as I told you, when all of a sudden,

564
00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:00,520
Speaker 2: his electronics supply parts company has shut her. Yeah, he

565
00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:03,719
Speaker 2: gets back in the game and he's good. Right between

566
00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:06,879
Speaker 2: March nineteen ninety and August nineteen ninety one, he successfully

567
00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:10,440
Speaker 2: rubbed seventeen banks. Wow, yeah, is Chicago try being reported

568
00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:13,600
Speaker 2: on August twenty first, nineteen ninety one, the flesh Mask

569
00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:16,639
Speaker 2: Bandit strikes again for the ninth time in seventeen months.

570
00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:19,280
Speaker 2: The gun wielding man with the flesh colored Halloween mask

571
00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:22,240
Speaker 2: has left his mark on a Northwest suburban bank. The

572
00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:24,480
Speaker 2: story is at nine thirty am, the flesh Mask band

573
00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:26,679
Speaker 2: It walks into a suburban bank. He walks past a

574
00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:29,639
Speaker 2: row of five teller windows, and they got five tellers

575
00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:31,160
Speaker 2: in each of the wind there's a teller in each

576
00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:33,040
Speaker 2: of the windows. Elizabeth, this is back when all the

577
00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:36,200
Speaker 2: windows were staffed. Yeah. Right, So the flesh mask Mandy

578
00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:39,120
Speaker 2: walks he quote pointed a blue steel handgun at each

579
00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:41,320
Speaker 2: and directed them to put money into the final bag

580
00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:42,120
Speaker 2: he was carrying.

581
00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:44,640
Speaker 4: So he had to stay on way back and then

582
00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:46,159
Speaker 4: pointed in each five or did he.

583
00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:48,359
Speaker 2: Go no, one window a window, pointing the gun like

584
00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:50,200
Speaker 2: loaded up, goes to the next one, loaded up. I

585
00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:51,000
Speaker 2: don't know why they're waiting.

586
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:53,920
Speaker 4: I remember five. I'm in the back. I'm not there anymore.

587
00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:54,840
Speaker 2: I remember big two.

588
00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:57,240
Speaker 4: If I'm quick, you know, yeah, five, I'm in the back.

589
00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:05,320
Speaker 2: Only three numbers. Police recording, Police Sergeant Robert Duffy. He

590
00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:07,840
Speaker 2: went down the line and he hit each teller at gunpoint.

591
00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:09,680
Speaker 2: So I don't know, I don't know how this played out.

592
00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:12,159
Speaker 2: Why they're waiting anyway, dude walks out with twenty grand.

593
00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:16,120
Speaker 2: The bank employees they watched the flesh Mask Bandit hop

594
00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:18,600
Speaker 2: into a late model American car. The car was later

595
00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:22,560
Speaker 2: found by police abandoned a few blocks aways, something like that.

596
00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:24,359
Speaker 2: But we'll get into the cars in a second. The

597
00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:27,479
Speaker 2: FBI get called in, right, they tell the Chicago Tribune

598
00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:30,040
Speaker 2: all they knew about the Flesh Mask Bandit at the time.

599
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:33,920
Speaker 2: FBI spokesman Bob Long said, he demands money from tellers,

600
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:36,600
Speaker 2: flees the bank, and in several instances, gets into a

601
00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:39,040
Speaker 2: stolen car and then dumps it. And he's always wearing

602
00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:44,600
Speaker 2: this mask. So about the mask, all right? Descriptions varied,

603
00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:48,800
Speaker 2: Elizabeth flesh good good guess. Some of eyewitnesses said it

604
00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:51,880
Speaker 2: was Ronald Reagan. Others said it was Richard Nixon, but then,

605
00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:54,800
Speaker 2: far more strangely still, others said it was then President

606
00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:57,800
Speaker 2: George Bush, the elder, This is George tu Walker Bush.

607
00:27:57,920 --> 00:27:59,560
Speaker 2: Now the eyewitnesses agreed.

608
00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:01,280
Speaker 4: It's just a mask the whole time.

609
00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:06,240
Speaker 2: Why witnesses agreed that the mask was quote opaque flesh

610
00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:09,359
Speaker 2: colored mask that obscures the face that gets repeated over

611
00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:09,640
Speaker 2: and over.

612
00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:11,879
Speaker 4: Report he might have my mask.

613
00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:17,160
Speaker 2: Yeah mask. Well, let's just say there will be confirmation

614
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:20,040
Speaker 2: in this story about masks. So the Chicago newspaper notes

615
00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:22,480
Speaker 2: that the local record holder for banks robbering in the

616
00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:25,920
Speaker 2: area was this man, James w. Oliver aka the loop

617
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:29,160
Speaker 2: Bandit loop band Yeah. I think he wrote the Chicago Loop,

618
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:29,680
Speaker 2: the train.

619
00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:32,919
Speaker 4: Lanyards or something.

620
00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:37,919
Speaker 2: He'd robbed seven banks back in eighty seven, right, the

621
00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:40,920
Speaker 2: flesh mask banded. He easily doubled his total and then some.

622
00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:43,040
Speaker 2: So now the Chicago newspapers were like, whh we got

623
00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:47,080
Speaker 2: a guy, we got a goer number. Yeah. So the

624
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:49,320
Speaker 2: FBI's spokesman, they were like, wait a minute. On the

625
00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:53,040
Speaker 2: national level, the record was thirty three banks, right, and

626
00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:55,360
Speaker 2: that was pulled off by an unnamed East Coast bank

627
00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:57,280
Speaker 2: rubber and all the reports were caught. They would know,

628
00:28:57,320 --> 00:28:58,960
Speaker 2: they wouldn't name the guy they caught him, but they're like,

629
00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:01,080
Speaker 2: he got thirty three. I'm like, who is it? Which guy?

630
00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:02,920
Speaker 2: So I gotta go cross reference and find the guy

631
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:05,880
Speaker 2: who's exactly thirty three? Yeah, anyway, I couldn't find it.

632
00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:08,120
Speaker 2: But they is making him up. I think they just

633
00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:10,240
Speaker 2: wanted to remind Chicago that they are the second city

634
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:12,120
Speaker 2: and they will always beat the second city to the

635
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:12,600
Speaker 2: East Coast.

636
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:15,600
Speaker 3: I mean, don't you think it's like you shouldn't be

637
00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:17,800
Speaker 3: putting out these goals for people.

638
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:20,120
Speaker 2: That's my point. That's a competitive person. I'm like, I

639
00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:20,600
Speaker 2: can break up.

640
00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:21,760
Speaker 4: I can do thirty three.

641
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:24,920
Speaker 2: So by November, the flesh Mask Bandit, he's back at it, Elizabeth.

642
00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:26,880
Speaker 2: He walks out of a bank in a neighborhood called Stream.

643
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:29,800
Speaker 2: What's the report we heard earlier? Twenty three thousand dollars

644
00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:31,880
Speaker 2: of the bank's money. No one gets hurt. I don't

645
00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:33,880
Speaker 2: know about trauma. I have to admit you're right about that.

646
00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:36,440
Speaker 2: Hi witness is report the flesh Mask Bandit fled in

647
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:39,560
Speaker 2: a light blue four door Chevy. I'm like Ford or

648
00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:43,200
Speaker 2: Chevy sounds rocking to this time, Hie Witness has offered

649
00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:45,800
Speaker 2: a more exacting description. They said that the robber was

650
00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:48,280
Speaker 2: six foot three, he weighed about two hundred and forty pounds,

651
00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:50,280
Speaker 2: and he was a white man. His hair was brown,

652
00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:52,800
Speaker 2: and this was noted because his hair was sticking out

653
00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:56,680
Speaker 2: from his President Ronald Reagan mask. Very clearly a President

654
00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:59,240
Speaker 2: Ronald megnum. So now we get an identifier someone's actually

655
00:29:59,240 --> 00:29:59,760
Speaker 2: paying attention.

656
00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:00,000
Speaker 6: Yeah.

657
00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:04,320
Speaker 2: FBI agent Richard Eggleston did not confirm though, that it

658
00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:06,480
Speaker 2: was indeed President Reagan, because he's like, I haven't seen

659
00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:08,400
Speaker 2: the tape, so he's like, I won't confirm, So there's

660
00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:10,680
Speaker 2: still debate, some debate, but he did add that it

661
00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:13,600
Speaker 2: was the same he's used in other robberies, and the

662
00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:16,280
Speaker 2: bank robber wore quote a flesh colored mask and opaque

663
00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:18,800
Speaker 2: Halloween type mask you can see through, but which distorts

664
00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:21,440
Speaker 2: the facial characteristics, so you really can't see what the

665
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:23,880
Speaker 2: individual looks like. So it's kind of like a clear

666
00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:28,160
Speaker 2: like see through plastic masks, masks from the eighties.

667
00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:33,120
Speaker 3: Yes, son, Yeah, exactly need one.

668
00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:36,240
Speaker 2: Another good reason is it would be difficult to get

669
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:38,840
Speaker 2: a very good description of the flesh mask. Banded is

670
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:42,120
Speaker 2: the obvious one. As one Chicago cop said, I quote,

671
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:43,960
Speaker 2: when you look down the barrel of a gun, the

672
00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:46,920
Speaker 2: gun is all you see. So I'm thinking.

673
00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:51,600
Speaker 3: That's actually Ronald Reagan wearing one of those clear masks.

674
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:52,400
Speaker 2: And he's just looking for kicks.

675
00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:55,120
Speaker 3: And everyone thinks, God, that looks like Ronald Reagan. But

676
00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:58,480
Speaker 3: it's so creepy like, and then he does a fake voice.

677
00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:02,040
Speaker 3: He's like, you know, it's a genius, Darren.

678
00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:04,760
Speaker 2: I love it. I'm thinking, Reagan, where was he in

679
00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:05,240
Speaker 2: eighty seven?

680
00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:06,080
Speaker 4: I would like to know.

681
00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:09,240
Speaker 2: So at this point, though, Okay, now we're in November

682
00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:09,920
Speaker 2: of ninety one.

683
00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:13,400
Speaker 4: What happened in nineteen ninety one? What point break came out?

684
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:14,040
Speaker 2: Get out of time?

685
00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:14,720
Speaker 4: Yeah? Seriously?

686
00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:19,920
Speaker 2: Huh Well, I interestingly that you mentioned that. This is yes,

687
00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:22,320
Speaker 2: keep it in mind. So at this point he's not

688
00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:24,800
Speaker 2: gone more than a full season without pulling a bank job.

689
00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:27,360
Speaker 2: Every three months, at least he's robbing a bank, right.

690
00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:29,520
Speaker 2: He took off the month of July the copy they

691
00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:31,600
Speaker 2: noted that, and then time he want it, I want

692
00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:33,640
Speaker 2: a vacation, you know, go and hang up with the kids. Yeah,

693
00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:36,920
Speaker 2: from April to October he robbed at least one bank

694
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:39,480
Speaker 2: every month in the Chicago Land area. Right then boom,

695
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:42,160
Speaker 2: February of ninety two, walks into a bank in Rockford,

696
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:45,800
Speaker 2: as in the Rockford Peaches pulls off his eighteenth successful

697
00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:48,480
Speaker 2: bank robbery in a row. And then he continued this

698
00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:50,320
Speaker 2: run through the rest of ninety two, like he's the

699
00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:54,240
Speaker 2: Chicago Bulls. Till December of ninety two. That's when the

700
00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:56,920
Speaker 2: FBI investigators noticed a new wrinkle in the crime. As

701
00:31:56,920 --> 00:32:00,160
Speaker 2: the Chicago Tribune reports on December tenth, nineteen ninety two,

702
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:04,200
Speaker 2: Apparently even bank robbers but believe imitation is the sincerest

703
00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:06,560
Speaker 2: form of flattery. Now what did the Tribune mean by this,

704
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:10,200
Speaker 2: Elizabeth Well, proof of that came Wednesday morning, when a

705
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:12,800
Speaker 2: Wheeling bank was robbed by a man authorities believe has

706
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:15,920
Speaker 2: joined forces with the infamous Flesh Mask Bandit and has

707
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:19,000
Speaker 2: patterned his robberies after his new found partner's methods, even

708
00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:22,280
Speaker 2: down to using his trademark mask. Now there were two

709
00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:23,240
Speaker 2: of them, eliab.

710
00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:25,880
Speaker 3: And were they there at the same time? Well, otherwise

711
00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:26,680
Speaker 3: it's a copycat.

712
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:28,959
Speaker 2: Yes, there's just one guy.

713
00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:30,000
Speaker 4: We're working together.

714
00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:31,880
Speaker 2: Well, apparently he's working fast to catch up, because he

715
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:34,640
Speaker 2: gets credited before robberies of his own, before the FBI

716
00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:38,000
Speaker 2: acknowledges he even exists. Right back to my man, Bob Long,

717
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:41,440
Speaker 2: FBI spokesman. Now he has an accomplice, a partner. This

718
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:45,040
Speaker 2: guy does the exact same things. Everything is exactly the same,

719
00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:46,560
Speaker 2: except this guy is shorter.

720
00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:49,280
Speaker 4: Why do they say it's a partner? I say it's

721
00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:51,840
Speaker 4: a copycat, Well they figured out right.

722
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:54,560
Speaker 2: I'm with you, it seems like it's a copycat. Technically

723
00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:54,840
Speaker 2: it is a.

724
00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:57,040
Speaker 4: Copy driving that same light blue Chevy.

725
00:32:57,360 --> 00:33:01,240
Speaker 2: He modeled everything, even down to the late model Chevy

726
00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:04,360
Speaker 2: or GM brand car. So at this point, the og

727
00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:08,000
Speaker 2: flesh Mask band has successfully pulled off twenty five bank jobs.

728
00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:10,600
Speaker 2: His accomplice is understudy, if you will call it that,

729
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:12,800
Speaker 2: he's pulled off four more of his own. Right, So

730
00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:14,920
Speaker 2: if he piled their crimes together, they've now pulled off

731
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:17,360
Speaker 2: twenty nine bank jobs. They only need five more to

732
00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:17,960
Speaker 2: break the record.

733
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:20,560
Speaker 4: Elizabeth Sun Spoilerli.

734
00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:22,440
Speaker 2: Yes, the new flesh mask band it was estimated to

735
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:24,520
Speaker 2: be five foot eight. He preferred to drive an Olds

736
00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:26,720
Speaker 2: to a Chevy because you know, but keeping a GM

737
00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:29,800
Speaker 2: because it's Chicago. Now, he was spotted in an Oldmobile

738
00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:32,480
Speaker 2: Delta eighty eight. My dad have one of those nice ride,

739
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:34,680
Speaker 2: right this stolen ride he ditches it. The car was

740
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:37,160
Speaker 2: located later. Now, at this point, the FBI has to

741
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:39,280
Speaker 2: admit to the press that there were now two flesh

742
00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:41,600
Speaker 2: mask bandits. And if I were in the Chicago press,

743
00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:43,320
Speaker 2: I would have had to ask the g men, do

744
00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:45,960
Speaker 2: you think they share the same president mask. Oh yeah,

745
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:49,000
Speaker 2: which is me weird. But then the FBI would have

746
00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:50,480
Speaker 2: rolled its eyes and they would have told me that

747
00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:53,480
Speaker 2: sometimes the two flesh mask bandits did indeed work together.

748
00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:58,600
Speaker 2: So obviously there'd have to be two president's mask Which ones?

749
00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:01,400
Speaker 2: Is it? Like Reagann but and Nixon? Like what are

750
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:02,840
Speaker 2: we talking about? Because you know they were like kind

751
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:04,760
Speaker 2: of competitive and they're like, come on, what kind of

752
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:05,520
Speaker 2: questions are they?

753
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:06,800
Speaker 4: President? Vice president?

754
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:10,600
Speaker 2: So a good call, yeah, trying to get the incumbent

755
00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:12,840
Speaker 2: in there. So the FBI has done the legwork. They

756
00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:15,160
Speaker 2: figured out the two flesh mask band it's their new mo.

757
00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:18,399
Speaker 2: They they'd wear similar outfits, the president masks. They'd both

758
00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:20,919
Speaker 2: drive stolen cars made by GM. The two would arrive

759
00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:24,120
Speaker 2: together in separate cars. One man would rob the bank,

760
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:26,400
Speaker 2: then he'd walk out to his getaway car. The second

761
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:28,719
Speaker 2: president would then follow the getaway car and act as

762
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:31,400
Speaker 2: a roadblock in case the cops gave chase.

763
00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:34,040
Speaker 3: I thought you were going to say, the second guy

764
00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:35,840
Speaker 3: would then go in after and hit him again.

765
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:38,120
Speaker 4: No, that would be great least expected.

766
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:40,440
Speaker 2: So the new one was working, though he starts working

767
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:42,840
Speaker 2: on his own alone. They switched up their m O again.

768
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:44,480
Speaker 2: So they only do this for a little bit, and

769
00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:47,400
Speaker 2: perhaps it was a training period. Here's your training wheel, son.

770
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:49,040
Speaker 4: Because mentorment situation.

771
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:51,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, like Princess Bribe a dread Pirate Roberts where there's

772
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:54,320
Speaker 2: the overlapper and he's like, you beat the dread pirate Roberts,

773
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:57,280
Speaker 2: then we'll get a new crew. Anyway, the flesh mask banded.

774
00:34:57,360 --> 00:34:59,120
Speaker 2: They keep at it and now it's the younger one,

775
00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:02,440
Speaker 2: the shorter one, doing all the robbing. And Elizabeth, you

776
00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:05,080
Speaker 2: were right. It was a father and son, John T.

777
00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:08,960
Speaker 2: Hunter the elder and John T. Hunter the younger. Wow,

778
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:11,120
Speaker 2: so let's take a little break here, we get back.

779
00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:14,000
Speaker 2: I will tell you how it all goes wrong.

780
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:36,399
Speaker 4: It's the family that crimes together, all.

781
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:39,799
Speaker 2: Right, Elizabeth, Yes, it's nineteen ninety three, now you're ready

782
00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:41,840
Speaker 2: for it. Yes, crazy year, I love it. You know

783
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:45,239
Speaker 2: what's gonna happen with the flesh mask bandits? No, they

784
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:50,480
Speaker 2: made the record thirty five banks in seven years. They

785
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:53,880
Speaker 2: took it to the house early or Chicago Pride, what

786
00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:58,799
Speaker 2: ut slap and I Five's and Michael Jordan totally yeah. Anyway,

787
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:02,040
Speaker 2: I don't I don't know if they're considered breaking the

788
00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:05,000
Speaker 2: record because the FBI is really hard about like parsing out.

789
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:07,480
Speaker 2: They only will give them credit for thirty three banks

790
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:09,279
Speaker 2: even though they have thirty five, and then all the

791
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:11,400
Speaker 2: numbers line up. They're like, oh, I don't know, I

792
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:11,839
Speaker 2: don't know.

793
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:13,600
Speaker 4: Why they are they fix why they hold.

794
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:16,480
Speaker 2: In Chicago down. But anyway, they did it, Elizabeth, just

795
00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:20,080
Speaker 2: like Hammer and Hank, Aaron cal Ripkin Junior, Joe Imaggio,

796
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:24,000
Speaker 2: they went the distance it so. April twenty eight, nineteen

797
00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:27,560
Speaker 2: ninety three, Chicago Tribune reported that quote, the flesh Mask

798
00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:30,600
Speaker 2: Bandit and his accomplice eluded authorities for seven years, pulling

799
00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:35,000
Speaker 2: off thirty five bank hest in seven states, seven states.

800
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:40,280
Speaker 2: The father and son now they're working in Wisconsin, Michigan, Minnesota, Iowa, Ohio,

801
00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:46,200
Speaker 2: and Indiana. Wow, yeah, right, thirty fifth robbery occurred in Toledo, Ohio.

802
00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:50,760
Speaker 4: They're putting some miles on that eighty eight that.

803
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:53,879
Speaker 2: Holds me eighty eight. So the delta keeps rolling, right,

804
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:57,680
Speaker 2: that delta eight ads good. So it's now official. They're

805
00:36:57,719 --> 00:36:59,520
Speaker 2: about to end their run. I'll just I'll cut to

806
00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:02,880
Speaker 2: the checks. Because after their thirty fifth successful bank robbery

807
00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:06,359
Speaker 2: in a row, the flesh mask bandits get busted. Yeah.

808
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:08,319
Speaker 2: With each bank they rob, the FBI learned more and

809
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:10,200
Speaker 2: more about them, right, the g men. They work up

810
00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:13,040
Speaker 2: this very accurate profile. The FBI field agents. They start

811
00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:16,000
Speaker 2: to know that here's their mo. They have flesh mass bandits.

812
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:20,160
Speaker 2: They always strike between nine thirty am and ten thirty am, always.

813
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:21,200
Speaker 4: The beginning of the day, exactly.

814
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:23,880
Speaker 2: People are in a lull. They've done what they've opened up,

815
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:26,040
Speaker 2: and now that the first customers are gone, they got

816
00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:29,760
Speaker 2: like that little pause. And always on Thursday or Friday,

817
00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:33,319
Speaker 2: always in a suburban area. Pair was mad loyal to

818
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:37,120
Speaker 2: GM cars, Yeah, proper so they always told GM cars

819
00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:41,120
Speaker 2: for night a tour nineteen seventy eight to nineteen eighty eight.

820
00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:44,480
Speaker 2: And they always use those as air getaway whips. No Tauruses, no,

821
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:48,719
Speaker 2: no Dodge k cars. No. They brought guns, never used them.

822
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:51,080
Speaker 2: Their guns might not even be loaded. We don't know.

823
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:53,200
Speaker 2: It turns out all that though, it was accurate, the

824
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:55,640
Speaker 2: FBI's profile spot on. They did all of that.

825
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:59,480
Speaker 3: Right, Well, it's not really a profile. Those are just observations.

826
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:01,000
Speaker 2: Whatever, you know, That's what that's what the FBI called it.

827
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:03,680
Speaker 2: I'm quoting them, Melissa, But it wasn't their profile that

828
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:07,439
Speaker 2: becomes their undoing. Instead it was what dumb luck? That's right,

829
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:10,919
Speaker 2: they get brought down by dumb luck. No bothering sound

830
00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:13,520
Speaker 2: the wildly successful for seven years they rob banks, never

831
00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:16,000
Speaker 2: get greedy, never hurt anyone. They just did what they did.

832
00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:18,480
Speaker 2: They pulled money. It was going so good. How did

833
00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:21,279
Speaker 2: they get caught? What would be the dumb story? The

834
00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:22,960
Speaker 2: ridiculous of this neess.

835
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:26,120
Speaker 4: It's usually like greed too when they try and do

836
00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:26,680
Speaker 4: too much.

837
00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:30,879
Speaker 2: Well, came down to basically a pain in the neck

838
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:33,799
Speaker 2: innocent bystander, one of them busy bodies. Yeah, yep, in

839
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:38,239
Speaker 2: one of your people, yes, and a license plate oh yeah. Right. So,

840
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:41,600
Speaker 2: around three thirty AM on a Thursday morning, right before

841
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:43,759
Speaker 2: they're gonna go rob a bank. Later that day, apparently

842
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:49,000
Speaker 2: a call comes into the Tippy Canoe County Sheriff's Department. Yeah, exactly.

843
00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:51,800
Speaker 2: The call reports suspicious activity going down in an apartment

844
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:54,600
Speaker 2: complex parking lock. So an officer responds to the call,

845
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:58,320
Speaker 2: Deputy Sheriff Richard L. Walker, Right, so, Dick Walker. He

846
00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:01,600
Speaker 2: arrives on the scene. The off spies a man huddled

847
00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:04,200
Speaker 2: low behind a car. He's busy. This man he's attempting

848
00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:06,719
Speaker 2: to steal the license plate, so the headlights of the

849
00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:09,759
Speaker 2: cop car catch his attention. Though the young man scampers off.

850
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:12,400
Speaker 2: He bounds over to a Toyota cameray, hops in the

851
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:15,040
Speaker 2: camera and it speeds off. This is their first mistake.

852
00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:20,040
Speaker 2: I'm just saying dumbing against Toyota, fine car maker, but

853
00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:22,640
Speaker 2: they had been sticking with GM. They brought their own pattern.

854
00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:25,160
Speaker 2: And then the deputy sheriff right, he sees the car

855
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:28,320
Speaker 2: the camera speed off. Well, Elizabeth, remember, let me just

856
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:30,399
Speaker 2: tell you about this. I'd like you to close your eyes. Yes,

857
00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:33,799
Speaker 2: as a close I'd like you to picture it. It's

858
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:37,440
Speaker 2: the small hours of the morning. The quiet is shattered

859
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:39,920
Speaker 2: by the sound of a Toyota camray's speeding engine and

860
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:42,920
Speaker 2: squealing tires as it tears out of an apartment complex

861
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:46,160
Speaker 2: parking the camera, followed close fo by the throaty roar

862
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:49,879
Speaker 2: of a well maintained patrol car engine. And you, Elizabeth,

863
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:53,280
Speaker 2: are behind the wheel of a second patrol car, second

864
00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:56,680
Speaker 2: on the scene and now engaged in a high speed pursuit. Nice, Elizabeth,

865
00:39:56,719 --> 00:39:59,120
Speaker 2: you are Deputy done. Based on your time in the

866
00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:01,520
Speaker 2: London Flying Skull, you were able to get a job

867
00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:04,439
Speaker 2: in Tippy Canoe County right away. So it's your second

868
00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:06,160
Speaker 2: week on the job, and now you're racing through the

869
00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:08,760
Speaker 2: dark at ninety miles an hour. You and Deputy Walker

870
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:11,680
Speaker 2: pursue the Toyota Camry for about six miles. It's a

871
00:40:11,719 --> 00:40:15,560
Speaker 2: heavy chase. Then Deputy Dick Walker's patrol car draws closer.

872
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:17,680
Speaker 2: He gets within about one hundred feet of the camera.

873
00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:20,440
Speaker 2: That's when you spot a man as he slides out

874
00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:23,640
Speaker 2: of the passenger side window. The man has a long

875
00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:25,880
Speaker 2: barreled gun. He levels it at you in Deputy Walker's

876
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:33,160
Speaker 2: patrol car and then boom wow. The man hanging out

877
00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:35,560
Speaker 2: the shotgun window gets busy with his scatter gun. He

878
00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:38,520
Speaker 2: fires three times. He hits both Deputy Walker's car and

879
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:41,680
Speaker 2: your car. One bolt shatters Deputy Walker's windshield. Your car

880
00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:44,279
Speaker 2: gets hit twice. One of your car tires is shot out.

881
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:47,799
Speaker 2: The camera speeds off. Brake lights so flash, and the

882
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:50,200
Speaker 2: car pulls to a sliding stop on the side of

883
00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:53,759
Speaker 2: the road. You're confused, Deputy Dick Walker's confused. You both

884
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:56,000
Speaker 2: roll to a stop a safe distance. Your car has

885
00:40:56,040 --> 00:40:58,880
Speaker 2: been shot twice. One wheel nut is sagging. The Camray

886
00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:02,040
Speaker 2: idols though in the dark, you and Deputy Walker call

887
00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:05,520
Speaker 2: for backup. You wait, watching the camera, worried the man

888
00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:08,400
Speaker 2: with a shotgun might just get out and start shooting again.

889
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:12,440
Speaker 2: The night is still and quiet. The peace, though, is

890
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:15,239
Speaker 2: broken when the camera speeds up again. Your patrol car

891
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:18,400
Speaker 2: is done, so you're out of this high speech chase, Elizabeth.

892
00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:20,680
Speaker 2: After your initial encounter with the father and son bandits,

893
00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:23,359
Speaker 2: the other officers did join the pursuit from all these

894
00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:26,839
Speaker 2: different county roads they're closing in. Fifteen minutes later, one

895
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:29,680
Speaker 2: of the cars they see the camera and another six

896
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:33,640
Speaker 2: miles away. The camry kills its headlights and disappears into

897
00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:36,160
Speaker 2: the darkness because they realize, oh, they can't see us

898
00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:39,560
Speaker 2: on these farm roads, so they're now running like thunder

899
00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:42,839
Speaker 2: road lights out. An hour later, sometime around four point

900
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:45,880
Speaker 2: thirty am, a deputy spots the camera gives chase again.

901
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:48,440
Speaker 2: This time, man riding a shotgun slides out of the

902
00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:51,440
Speaker 2: window just like last time, takes amen boom. He fires

903
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:54,480
Speaker 2: that long barrel weapon and the deputy recalled later, I

904
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:56,880
Speaker 2: saw a muscle flashes coming from the vehicle. Now one

905
00:41:56,880 --> 00:41:59,480
Speaker 2: of the slugs tears through the cars metal skin and frame.

906
00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:03,040
Speaker 2: Hits the officer lodges in the deputy's left calf. All right,

907
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:05,360
Speaker 2: he feels this like a stinging and a buzzin in

908
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:08,239
Speaker 2: his left Six shots were fired in total at him.

909
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:10,640
Speaker 2: He only gets hit once. The camera again slipped away

910
00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:13,480
Speaker 2: in that fast disappearing dark. Just before the dawn. They're

911
00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:16,040
Speaker 2: running out of darkness, Elizabeth, things are starting to turn

912
00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:19,320
Speaker 2: purple the camera. He gets seen again, parked beside a barn.

913
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:23,399
Speaker 2: Officers called in for backup. Other officers respond once again.

914
00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:26,560
Speaker 2: Now we're getting multiple counties. The chase begins all over again.

915
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:29,239
Speaker 2: This time though one officer decides he or she I

916
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:32,200
Speaker 2: don't know, has had enough. They pilot their patrol cruiser

917
00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:34,399
Speaker 2: right into the camera at high speed, and the cop

918
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:37,759
Speaker 2: car broadsides the cameray just takes them off the road.

919
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:39,839
Speaker 4: Crown Vick, full of anger.

920
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:44,439
Speaker 2: Exactly, just folds the camera around the front end chases over.

921
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:47,279
Speaker 2: Father John T. Hunters captured after he tries to make

922
00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:49,640
Speaker 2: a run for it. He's run down by several cop

923
00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:52,319
Speaker 2: cars and is promptly arrested. The younger man, the son,

924
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:55,400
Speaker 2: John the Hunter Junior, He also fled the camera. He

925
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:57,759
Speaker 2: makes it to the woods, disappears into the shadow and

926
00:42:57,800 --> 00:43:01,120
Speaker 2: shade of the trees gone. The deputies. They go on.

927
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:03,000
Speaker 2: They searched the camera, Elizabeth, what do you think they

928
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:06,480
Speaker 2: found the camera? They did find the camera. Underneath all

929
00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:09,320
Speaker 2: of that was the camera, but inside of the camera

930
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:12,960
Speaker 2: were guns, mass lots of guns, three handguns, two rifles,

931
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:16,080
Speaker 2: two shotguns, about five hundred rounds ammo. They also found

932
00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:18,600
Speaker 2: a map of local banks with notes on their security

933
00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:21,080
Speaker 2: like stars of like this one's good. And then there

934
00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:24,040
Speaker 2: was also you know, since there were the flesh mask bandits,

935
00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:27,840
Speaker 2: there should be some evidence, right, yeh, cops. They find masks,

936
00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:32,000
Speaker 2: several masks like it's your closet opake latex masks.

937
00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:32,239
Speaker 6: Right.

938
00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:34,880
Speaker 2: One of the masks is a Michael Doucoccus mask.

939
00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:37,120
Speaker 4: Get out here? Did they put the giant homet on?

940
00:43:38,600 --> 00:43:42,440
Speaker 2: It's probably my favorite part of the story for Michael Doucoccus.

941
00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:45,239
Speaker 4: Masks, obscure mask if you had it today, totally like people,

942
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:46,800
Speaker 4: who are you? Michael?

943
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:49,200
Speaker 2: Getting robbed by Reagan is one thing, but if a

944
00:43:49,239 --> 00:43:52,479
Speaker 2: bank robber came in nineteen ninety three with a Michael

945
00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:55,080
Speaker 2: Ducaccas mask, I would laugh them out of the bank

946
00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:57,000
Speaker 2: and they'd be like you gotta be joking, man, Come on,

947
00:43:57,040 --> 00:43:57,640
Speaker 2: they pull a gun.

948
00:43:57,640 --> 00:44:02,400
Speaker 4: I'm like, come on, man, is a Howard Dean mass Later.

949
00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:06,640
Speaker 2: Who So back to the sun, John the Hunter Junior,

950
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:08,920
Speaker 2: or the Younger if you prefer. He was still on

951
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:11,480
Speaker 2: the run, right, So he's in the woods. Cops bring

952
00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:14,319
Speaker 2: out a small fleet of helicopters. They go, all right,

953
00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:17,880
Speaker 2: we'll cover the woods from above. Choppers are outfitted with

954
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:20,839
Speaker 2: thermal imaging devices. They're bound to catch this boy. They're

955
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:23,960
Speaker 2: just military tech and stuff. Right after a day of searching, though,

956
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:26,640
Speaker 2: the choppers they get grounded because they ain't found nothing.

957
00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:30,000
Speaker 2: Squat did the squat no signs of John the Hunter Younger? Right,

958
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:32,440
Speaker 2: One FBI agent told the press at the time, these

959
00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:36,759
Speaker 2: guys are no dummies. They're good. So meanwhile, on foot,

960
00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:39,720
Speaker 2: they have twenty officers going through these woods, four different

961
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:42,760
Speaker 2: law enforcement agencies. They're continuing. They basically a five square

962
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:45,600
Speaker 2: miles search at this point, a manhunt and no luck.

963
00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:49,600
Speaker 2: But given enough time, this lone flesh mask bandit out

964
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:52,040
Speaker 2: there by himself in the woods, Elizabeth. He grows scared

965
00:44:52,120 --> 00:44:54,919
Speaker 2: and more importantly, he grows hungry. John johns Yeah, little

966
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:56,600
Speaker 2: John Junior. He walks out of the woods and he

967
00:44:56,640 --> 00:44:59,400
Speaker 2: walks over to a McDonald's at five point thirty in

968
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:01,720
Speaker 2: the morning. He's like, on a Friday.

969
00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:03,040
Speaker 4: Morning, have you started serving lunch yet?

970
00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:04,799
Speaker 2: And he's like, are you guys open? And they're not open.

971
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:06,480
Speaker 2: So he phoned the police and he told them where

972
00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:07,000
Speaker 2: to find him.

973
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:10,279
Speaker 4: He was just like, that's it. I'm starving. All I

974
00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:11,120
Speaker 4: wanted was, yeah, I.

975
00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:13,120
Speaker 2: Didn't get my m so can you guys pick me

976
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:14,640
Speaker 2: up and maybe take me to McDonald's.

977
00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:17,960
Speaker 3: Over you ever, I've been that defeated and hungry where

978
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:20,040
Speaker 3: you're just like, I give up on life. I am

979
00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:23,200
Speaker 3: so hungry and I'm so frustrated. You know what, arrest

980
00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:26,960
Speaker 3: me call I'll call. The other night, I was like,

981
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:29,880
Speaker 3: I want to eat dinner, and I was so tired

982
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:30,880
Speaker 3: and I was so hungry.

983
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:33,440
Speaker 4: Just went out in the road and said, just arrest me.

984
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:36,360
Speaker 2: Somebody laid down and then a squirrel.

985
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:38,560
Speaker 4: Came over and brought me a hammurger.

986
00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:39,360
Speaker 2: One of your buddies.

987
00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:39,799
Speaker 4: That's great.

988
00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:42,960
Speaker 2: Nice. Well, the FBI, they were stoked, right, and they

989
00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:45,960
Speaker 2: caught him because he calls him up, arranges his own arrest. Right,

990
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:47,359
Speaker 2: they go and they pick him up, but they had

991
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:50,400
Speaker 2: to acknowledge too the Chicago Press that this is just

992
00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:52,640
Speaker 2: a case of pure dumb luck, and they said, just

993
00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:54,640
Speaker 2: a matter of chances, someone called nine to one one

994
00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:56,240
Speaker 2: to report the license plate theft.

995
00:45:56,560 --> 00:45:59,640
Speaker 4: Good for them, right, yeah, exactly for the busy buddy.

996
00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:03,759
Speaker 2: Little shot the Chicago p D. The town. So, the

997
00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:06,120
Speaker 2: FBI estimated that the father and son bandit team stole

998
00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:08,640
Speaker 2: about a half million dollars in their multi year multi

999
00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:11,240
Speaker 2: state bank robbery spreef million. Yeah. They were just grabbing

1000
00:46:11,239 --> 00:46:14,120
Speaker 2: like twenty grand here, twenty three grand there, eighteen grand around. Yeah,

1001
00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:15,839
Speaker 2: basically whatever they get off of the they didn't. They

1002
00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:18,080
Speaker 2: never hit a vault, so they always had small amounts.

1003
00:46:18,120 --> 00:46:18,319
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1004
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:20,080
Speaker 2: Anyway, the bigger reason why it took so long for

1005
00:46:20,120 --> 00:46:21,799
Speaker 2: them to get caught was once they pulled on their

1006
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:24,160
Speaker 2: Ronald Reagan masks, they didn't pull them off until they

1007
00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:26,719
Speaker 2: were safe back in their hideout. They were committed to

1008
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:29,279
Speaker 2: the bit. Elizabeth Wow. Yeah, once they were Reagan, they

1009
00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:29,719
Speaker 2: stayed right.

1010
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:32,120
Speaker 4: Yeah. They were in character exactly like.

1011
00:46:32,040 --> 00:46:34,880
Speaker 2: The little Dustin Hoffman's robbing you choices. So, one of

1012
00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:37,640
Speaker 2: John the Hunter Junior's neighbors, a man named Brian Frack,

1013
00:46:38,040 --> 00:46:40,000
Speaker 2: he told reporters. He was surprised to learn that his

1014
00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:42,879
Speaker 2: neighbor was one of the flesh masked bandits. Track said,

1015
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:44,640
Speaker 2: and I quote, I don't know where he worked. We

1016
00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:46,400
Speaker 2: always thought he was going to the health club with

1017
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:50,319
Speaker 2: the duffel bag he carried, so his father health nut,

1018
00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:52,319
Speaker 2: John the Hunter the elder. He also had neighbors who

1019
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:55,239
Speaker 2: clocked him right. One neighbor, Marcos Garcia. He told the

1020
00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:58,080
Speaker 2: press that the elder flesh mass band it was also

1021
00:46:58,120 --> 00:47:00,360
Speaker 2: a quiet man who kept it himself, and then neighbors

1022
00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:03,520
Speaker 2: always assumed he was retired. Right. Occasionally he would dramatically

1023
00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:04,840
Speaker 2: change his appearance, though.

1024
00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:07,600
Speaker 4: So as Garci hair like Ronald Reagan.

1025
00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:10,000
Speaker 2: No exactly, as Garcia recalled, he had gray hair around

1026
00:47:10,080 --> 00:47:11,600
Speaker 2: Christmas and he dyed his hair black.

1027
00:47:12,239 --> 00:47:15,800
Speaker 4: He did, yeah, yeah, just die.

1028
00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:18,279
Speaker 2: One for the Gipper. So once the father and son

1029
00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:19,920
Speaker 2: they get caught, the FBI and the DJ and they

1030
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:21,960
Speaker 2: threw all the laws out of Elizabeth. The father and

1031
00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:24,440
Speaker 2: sons bands they get charged with sixty six count indictment.

1032
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:26,640
Speaker 2: That's a lot. And at the time, John the Elder

1033
00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:28,960
Speaker 2: was fifty five, John the Younger was twenty eight. The

1034
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:31,600
Speaker 2: pairent they get charged with thirty three bank robberies. Once again,

1035
00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:33,320
Speaker 2: that guy's like, we're not giving you the record like

1036
00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:36,920
Speaker 2: fun exactly. So between nineteen ninety nineteen ninety three they

1037
00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:39,160
Speaker 2: wouldn't throw in the other ones. I guess. Prosecutors relied

1038
00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:42,640
Speaker 2: on quote a day calendar with handwritten notations corresponding to

1039
00:47:42,680 --> 00:47:45,400
Speaker 2: the dates and amounts taken in du Caucus robberies committed

1040
00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:47,400
Speaker 2: from January nineteen ninety three to the present.

1041
00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:51,480
Speaker 4: Wait is it with this note taking people?

1042
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:54,040
Speaker 3: I know, right, I mean, either come up with a

1043
00:47:54,080 --> 00:47:56,080
Speaker 3: code or like use invisible ink or.

1044
00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:58,360
Speaker 2: Something something like this whole like maybe commit some stuff

1045
00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:00,960
Speaker 2: to memory. I don't know the accus robberies though, that

1046
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:03,239
Speaker 2: sounds like a John Grishop's style novel you'd buy in

1047
00:48:03,239 --> 00:48:06,360
Speaker 2: the airport in to Caucus robberies. So in court, the

1048
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:09,480
Speaker 2: defenders they never spoke more than a one word answer. Yep, nope,

1049
00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:11,600
Speaker 2: that's all they're saying. Right on the defense side, the

1050
00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:14,320
Speaker 2: father and son bandits, they had defense attorney Edwin J.

1051
00:48:14,520 --> 00:48:17,680
Speaker 2: Bells Now that's with a Z and his defense strategy

1052
00:48:17,719 --> 00:48:19,440
Speaker 2: was based on the argument that the gunfight with the

1053
00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:21,800
Speaker 2: police was never serious. You know, come on, there's joshing

1054
00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:23,799
Speaker 2: around or has he put it, there was not an

1055
00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:26,520
Speaker 2: intent to kill, but an intent to scare these officers.

1056
00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:29,040
Speaker 2: They're trying to keep these cops at bay. So look,

1057
00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:31,520
Speaker 2: that's your lawyer, and that's his argument. You are going

1058
00:48:31,560 --> 00:48:32,000
Speaker 2: to jail.

1059
00:48:32,120 --> 00:48:33,799
Speaker 4: Attorney j Bells so.

1060
00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:36,000
Speaker 2: Mean, seemingly aware of the fact that they were losing

1061
00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:38,760
Speaker 2: the case. Late in all the legal wrangling of the court,

1062
00:48:39,120 --> 00:48:41,000
Speaker 2: the father, John the Hunter of the Elder, he finally

1063
00:48:41,040 --> 00:48:43,160
Speaker 2: said more than one word and he decided he'd speak

1064
00:48:43,200 --> 00:48:45,000
Speaker 2: up and try to save his son. He testified that

1065
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:47,240
Speaker 2: his son wasn't even in the camera and then instead

1066
00:48:47,239 --> 00:48:49,520
Speaker 2: it was his friend, Frank Wilson. Yeah, he was in

1067
00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:53,320
Speaker 2: the car with me. So Frank Wilson is Frank Wilson

1068
00:48:53,320 --> 00:48:56,000
Speaker 2: my buddy. You don't know him. He's from Canada. So

1069
00:48:56,120 --> 00:48:59,240
Speaker 2: Hunter the Elder, right, he testified when the officer chased Wilson,

1070
00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:00,840
Speaker 2: my son got out of the car and ran across

1071
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:04,120
Speaker 2: the street. So he's going with it, right. Prosecutors laughing

1072
00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:07,200
Speaker 2: at this, like literally mocking him in court about this

1073
00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:10,520
Speaker 2: this last minute hail Mary's legal strategy. He's calling the

1074
00:49:10,520 --> 00:49:13,040
Speaker 2: friend fictitious. Frank. He's like, look, we've heard enough about

1075
00:49:13,080 --> 00:49:17,000
Speaker 2: fictitious Frank. Oh yeah, and he told the jury you

1076
00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:19,319
Speaker 2: have to discount all the evidence to believe him. What

1077
00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:21,760
Speaker 2: you have here is a classic example of a dad

1078
00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:25,479
Speaker 2: trying to protect his son. So you'll forget about fictitious Frank.

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Speaker 2: The trial concludes, Elizabeth, the jury deliberates. What do you

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Speaker 2: think was their verdict?

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Speaker 4: Not guilty?

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Speaker 2: Guilty mostly John the Hunter the Elder he gets found

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00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:40,600
Speaker 2: guilty on two counts of attempted murder and twelve other

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Speaker 2: fellon accounts of the bank robbering and so forth. For

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Speaker 2: his son, John the Hunter the Younger, the jury was

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Speaker 2: a little less certain. They couldn't place him in the car.

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Speaker 2: Apparently it worked the course exactly, but he's only He

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00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:54,920
Speaker 2: gets convicted on charges of accepting stolen property for the

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Speaker 2: license plate theft. They could only get it.

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Speaker 4: Introduce doubt, yep.

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Speaker 2: John the Hunter the Elder gets sent ten to eighty

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Speaker 2: years in prison. He's fifty five. He ain't never seen

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Speaker 2: sunshine again, all right? His son, John the Hunter the

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Speaker 2: Younger was sentenced to just three years in prison for

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Speaker 2: his involvement. Wow, and with that, their record setting run

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Speaker 2: was over and done.

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Speaker 4: Do you think he feels guilt that his dad's doing well.

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Speaker 4: His dad started it.

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Speaker 2: Ye, his dad tried to make the move.

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Speaker 4: I think he yeah, he was just maybe his dad

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Speaker 4: was forcing him to do it.

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Speaker 2: There you go. That's the end of the flesh masked bandits. Elizabeth,

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Speaker 2: what's our ridiculous takeaway here?

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Speaker 5: Oh?

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Speaker 6: Man?

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Speaker 4: You know, if you're gonna use a mask, use a

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Speaker 4: really obscure.

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Speaker 2: One, obscure mass, obscure mass, like like, what what are

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Speaker 2: we talking?

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Speaker 3: Are like if they're like, oh, there was a Reagan

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Speaker 3: mask and then people are looking around for other car

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Speaker 3: drivers with Reagan masksh.

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Speaker 2: I'd be wearing like a Marcel do shomp mask. Yes, yes,

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Speaker 2: a Hochi min mask. Like what are we talking?

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Speaker 4: Air Well, I'm thinking like a Boutros Buttros golly mas?

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Speaker 2: Can I get like an e I mean yeah, sures

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Speaker 2: Butros Collie ye, yes? Or Secretary General that's Weinberger mash.

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Speaker 3: That's good, um Pete bootage edge keep it modern.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Ralph, Yeah, so you know Ross Perot.

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Speaker 2: Mask with withe like with the ears coming out with

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Speaker 2: the pointy big wi.

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Speaker 4: Yes.

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Speaker 3: I'm just saying like, go go deep into the into

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Speaker 3: the archives, but you're not particularly recognizable.

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Speaker 4: Sarn that's my ridiculous take it there you go.

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Speaker 2: Well, thank you for not asking, because I don't have

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00:51:28,440 --> 00:51:31,759
Speaker 2: one for you, so we're even. Hey, pretty, can you

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Speaker 2: mellow out this vibe with a talk?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Hit me, I got just the thing.

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Speaker 5: Oh my god, I I have something ridiculous.

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Speaker 6: I think is going to take two to three talkbacks.

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Speaker 6: It's from Weird History one oh one and a book

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Speaker 6: by John Richard Stevens. I'm going to read a portion

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Speaker 6: to you. At one famous trial in France in fifteen

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Speaker 6: twenty two, some rats were charged with felonious eating and

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00:52:11,840 --> 00:52:16,480
Speaker 6: one timely destroying the province's barley crop, and so were

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Speaker 6: ordered to appear in.

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Speaker 4: Court part two.

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Speaker 6: When they failed to show, the rats attorney argued that

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Speaker 6: the summons was too specific. He insisted that all the

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Speaker 6: rats in the diocese should be summoned, that the summonses

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Speaker 6: should be read from the pulpits of all the parishes

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Speaker 6: in the area. The court agreed, and another hearing was scheduled.

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Speaker 6: When the rats again failed to appear, The defense attorney

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00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:41,760
Speaker 6: explained that the rats really did want to come to court,

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00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:44,120
Speaker 6: but were afraid to leave their holes and make their

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00:52:44,160 --> 00:52:47,640
Speaker 6: long journey because of the vigilance of the plaintiff's cats.

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00:52:47,840 --> 00:52:50,480
Speaker 6: He added that the rats would appear if the plaintiffs

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00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:53,440
Speaker 6: posted bonds under heavy penalties that the cats would not

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00:52:53,560 --> 00:52:56,560
Speaker 6: molest his clients. The judges thought this was fair, but

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00:52:56,600 --> 00:52:59,560
Speaker 6: the plaintiffs refused to be responsible for the behavior of

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Speaker 6: their cats, so the case was adjourned without setting a

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Speaker 6: date for another hearing, which in effect ended the case

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00:53:05,719 --> 00:53:10,839
Speaker 6: in the rats favor. The attorney, named Bartholomew Chousina went

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Speaker 6: on to become a famous French lawyer. That is ridiculous.

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Speaker 3: Also, but there's this like surreal quality where I feel

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Speaker 3: like we're in high school and the teacher asked her

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Speaker 3: to read from the book and we're all.

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Speaker 4: Sitting there and getting really confused. This is amazing. Thank

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Speaker 4: you so much.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you. That was great.

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Speaker 4: Well.

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Speaker 2: As always, can find this hat ridiculous crime on the

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Speaker 2: social media's. We have the website ridiculous crime dot com.

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Speaker 2: Hit it up. It's a fun ride. We also love

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Speaker 2: As always typed Dear Elizabeth and there you go. So Hey,

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Speaker 2: we'll be back next Crime. Thank you for listening.

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Speaker 4: Hey.

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Speaker 2: Ridico's Crime is hosted by Elizabeth Dutton and Zarin Burnett,

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Speaker 2: produced and edited by Dave head On. Straight Mask Go On,

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Speaker 2: Crooked Exit, Stage left with the cash Gone took it.

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Speaker 2: Houston Research is by MRSA. I don't like masks, Brown

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Speaker 2: and Andrea me either, unless it's like an opera mask

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