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Speaker 1: Warning. Today's episode contains spoilers for Wonderman episodes five through eight.

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Speaker 1: Be warned. Hello, Iam and Jason Concepcion and I'm Rosie

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Speaker 1: Knight and welcome back to x Revision, the podcast where

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Speaker 1: we dive deep. It's your favorite shows, movies, comics and

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Speaker 1: pop culture company from my Heart, where we're bringing you

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Speaker 1: three episodes weekly.

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Speaker 2: News plus news plus news. In today's episode, we are back.

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Speaker 2: We're talking about wonder Man. We recap the first half

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Speaker 2: of the season, which you can listen to now, and

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Speaker 2: then you can listen to us recap the second half

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Speaker 2: of the season. As you know if you listen to

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Speaker 2: our first recaps, this is more of a deep dive

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Speaker 2: discussion as this is a slice of life, superho show.

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Speaker 2: But oh my god, what show is and we are

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Speaker 2: going to be digging into all the emotionally heartbreaking events

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Speaker 2: of the second half of wonder Man right now.

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Speaker 1: Let's get into it. So episodes five through eight Found

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Speaker 1: Footage Callback, Kathy Friedman and Yucca Valley are the back

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Speaker 1: half of the wonder Man season. Quick recap Found Footage.

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Speaker 1: A celebratory night spirals into a dangerous collision of ambition, exposure,

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Speaker 1: and gunfire as Simon Williams dream comes within reaching the

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Speaker 1: worst possible moment. Basically, there's a conversation with some local

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Speaker 1: tuffs who have a problem with Trevor, and Simon uses

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Speaker 1: powers but is unfortunately videotaped by a young man named Jayden,

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Speaker 1: who then they have to deal with and do some

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Speaker 1: stuff for it in order to get him to delete

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Speaker 1: his footage. The situation spirals kind of out of control.

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Speaker 2: Such a fun episode.

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Speaker 1: Very very fun episode Episode six Callback for a long

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Speaker 1: night of little sleep, Simon and Trevor race to von

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Speaker 1: Kovac's house, where they work through their roles in a

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Speaker 1: wonderful I mean, this is the one that was like,

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Speaker 1: this is like Megalopolis Kathy Freeman. Episode seven Simon's controlled

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Speaker 1: public persona because to unravel, Simon meets with Vivian, who

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Speaker 1: understands that he's hiding something, and Trevor admits that he's

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Speaker 1: been feeding information to damage Conrol all along, and this

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Speaker 1: really like just breaks Simon's heart. Simon response by releasing

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Speaker 1: ionic energy and basically destroying the entire sound stage. And

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Speaker 1: then episode eight Uca Valley the finale. After Simon's destructive outburst,

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Speaker 1: Trevor comes up with a plan to retake the Mandarin

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Speaker 1: he as the terrorist known as the Mandarin who is

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Speaker 1: real this time not fake, planting the explosives, blowing up

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Speaker 1: the studio, thus clearing Simon, allowing him to rise to

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Speaker 1: stardom behind the Wonder Man picture. That goes on to

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Speaker 1: you know, shatter box offices around the globe, and then Simon,

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Speaker 1: now a famous actor, goes undercover in perhaps his most

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Speaker 1: important role to date as a warden at the Department

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Speaker 1: of Damage Control prison in the desert in order to

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Speaker 1: bust Trevor Slattery out. That is the season, and it

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Speaker 1: was a wonderful, charming season that I think provided a

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Speaker 1: roadmap for how Marvel can do more grounded, character driven

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Speaker 1: superhero stories going forward. Let's talk about it. Your thoughts

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Speaker 1: on Wonder Man.

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Speaker 2: I just love this show so much. I thought the

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Speaker 2: first half is great, as we talked about. I think

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Speaker 2: the central conceit is so clever. Just hire a really

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Speaker 2: fantastic actor and make a show about acting like ya.

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Speaker 2: Ya is brilliant, so it makes sense that we love

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Speaker 2: to watch him. But I really think that the back

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Speaker 2: half of this season is such an emotionally draining yet

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Speaker 2: satisfying kind of televisual experience for me. I kind of

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Speaker 2: hard to watch, like the Simon goes through it in

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Speaker 2: these episodes. And Yeah, there was just something so beautiful

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Speaker 2: about not only the Hollywood meta nature of as you mentioned, Jason,

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Speaker 2: and I immediately put this in the group chat when

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Speaker 2: I was rewatching. When you watch episode six after seeing

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Speaker 2: the incredible megalopolist documentary Megadoc.

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Speaker 1: It's crazy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, same exercises, question Mark. I know, it really does

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Speaker 2: feel like somehow, maybe a crew member was on set.

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Speaker 2: It feels like there was someone who was feeding information

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Speaker 2: to the show about these kind of insane exercises. So

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Speaker 2: when you watch wonder Man, it somehow feels more timely,

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Speaker 2: way that these things work. I also found that there

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Speaker 2: having to try and emotionally regulate when something changes, like

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Speaker 2: I loved that episode and I feel like the eventual

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Speaker 2: then I just love the ending so much. And I

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Speaker 2: gotta ask you, Jason, the ending where we see Simon

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Speaker 2: break Trevor out of prison and he's wearing the glasses.

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Speaker 2: He's going up and you know he's going up in

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Speaker 2: him wearing the glasses wearing the Superho costume. Do you

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Speaker 2: think if these characters come back, we're gonna get to

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Speaker 1: I do wonder. I like the I like the idea

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Speaker 1: very much comics accurate. You know, Simon Williams in the

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Speaker 1: But there's so many small character in this that just

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Speaker 1: that's just really good. Work, especially considering that, you know,

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure when we get a effective Marvel origin

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Speaker 1: to creativity, like all the von Kovac stuff where he's like, Okay,

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Speaker 1: all of that stuff is like mega, That's like Francis

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Speaker 1: It doesn't keep you waiting for like, Okay, when are

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Speaker 1: the Superpowers going to come out? That's really like secondary

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Speaker 1: like is this something about him potentially being new or divergent,

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Speaker 1: was great program, great show.

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Speaker 2: I totally agree. Something else I adored about it. You

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Speaker 1: Wow, yeah, let's talk about that when we come back

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Speaker 2: Yeah, what would your dream pitch be for the next

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Speaker 1: Jeez? Good question. Well, like in a world in which

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Speaker 1: in a world in which the mutants, I mean, Simon

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Speaker 2: Mutant, Chris's definitely can come from that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, in this telling of the mc so, Simon Williams

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Speaker 1: in the comics got his ionic powers through a lab accident,

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Speaker 1: to divert just for a second. One of the things

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Speaker 1: So I always think of Prestige as like very ambitious,

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Speaker 1: You know what else? You know what else? And I

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Speaker 1: And that's the thing, Like, I am quite hopeful that

434
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Speaker 1: we see more Trevor. I mean, certainly he's a fugitive

435
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:02,879
Speaker 1: from justice. Now. I don't know you. I don't know

436
00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:05,240
Speaker 1: what you do with Like where do you put Trevor now?

437
00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:08,000
Speaker 2: Like where you have to say?

438
00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:10,840
Speaker 4: I love how much people in our discord love this show,

439
00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:13,280
Speaker 4: because they love it so much that even though you

440
00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:15,320
Speaker 4: could argue, I think that they're really trying to say,

441
00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:19,760
Speaker 4: like this show is very standalone type show, you know.

442
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:22,680
Speaker 2: But there was somebody in our discord who was like, look,

443
00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:25,320
Speaker 2: it's definitely gonna connect how about this? And I want

444
00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:27,119
Speaker 2: to credit them because it's so good. Oh yeah, it

445
00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:31,120
Speaker 2: was SJK, who's one of our biggest discord supporters and listeners.

446
00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:35,840
Speaker 2: I think Josh Gad was Dormann to Battleworld. I love

447
00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:38,680
Speaker 2: that people love this show so much that they are

448
00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:42,040
Speaker 2: like head cannoning ways that it could connect. I do

449
00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:45,280
Speaker 2: think that after the success and popularity and kind of

450
00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:50,000
Speaker 2: like fan faveness, I definitely could see a Trevor Yeah yeah,

451
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:56,840
Speaker 2: kind of you know, Madison esque fan fave cameo before

452
00:27:56,920 --> 00:27:57,679
Speaker 2: Secret Wars.

453
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Speaker 1: Maybe I mean Trevor. I mean Trevor and Simon are

454
00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:09,680
Speaker 1: are attached to the hip now because again both fugitives. Simon,

455
00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:17,840
Speaker 1: like is an international movie star who just broke Trevor Slattery,

456
00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:21,320
Speaker 1: world famous terrorist out of prison. They're gonna know it's him,

457
00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:25,400
Speaker 1: They're gonna know it's both of them, and they can't

458
00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:30,520
Speaker 1: like live openly now. So those two having adventures is

459
00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:33,360
Speaker 1: something I would love to check back. Yeah.

460
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:36,439
Speaker 2: I agree. Also, I did just have a realization, so

461
00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:40,600
Speaker 2: great questionnaire again So with ya ya and we know

462
00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:43,960
Speaker 2: here that he's got the ionic powers. We hear that

463
00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:46,400
Speaker 2: Department of Damage Control talking about how powerfully is we

464
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:49,600
Speaker 2: see how powerful is he breaks Trevor out. Does this

465
00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:53,840
Speaker 2: change the trajectory of say, like a Captain Anthony Mackie's

466
00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:56,520
Speaker 2: Captain America. I think this is a very interesting question

467
00:28:56,800 --> 00:28:59,400
Speaker 2: because I do think that if I was in charge

468
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:03,320
Speaker 2: of the mc the end of this series really echoes

469
00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:05,720
Speaker 2: where we leave Tony Stark at the end of the

470
00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:10,560
Speaker 2: first Iron Man. He's internationally known, he is well recognized,

471
00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:14,520
Speaker 2: he is protected, he has superpowers, he has a suit.

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00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:17,680
Speaker 2: I would if I was the Marvel Execs, I would

473
00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:20,480
Speaker 2: be seeding and begging Yaya to be my next lead.

474
00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:23,800
Speaker 2: So I think that could impact where we go with

475
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Speaker 2: Captain America. But I also think that from the leaks

476
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:28,920
Speaker 2: we're reading, from what we're seeing from Doomsday, that also

477
00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:31,640
Speaker 2: is about them wanting to refocus to Steve Rodgers. But

478
00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:34,440
Speaker 2: I would love to see wonder Man and Sam Wilson

479
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:37,160
Speaker 2: together at some point, especially as a reunion after the

480
00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:40,280
Speaker 2: iconic gay gaming episode of Black Mirror.

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Speaker 1: Let's Go to We got some great questions from our discord.

482
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Speaker 1: A row Hith from our discord asked, at the risk

483
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:08,520
Speaker 1: of being hyperbolic, this to me feels like the best

484
00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:10,760
Speaker 1: MCU project, and if not the best around among the

485
00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:14,960
Speaker 1: best of the MCU with and I completely agree. Never

486
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:16,840
Speaker 1: I have I seen a super project that just felt

487
00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:22,320
Speaker 1: like real people living in a world populated with superheroes. Also,

488
00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:25,000
Speaker 1: the relationship with Trevor Simon is easily one of the best.

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Speaker 1: That's not a question. There's no questions here, but there's.

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Speaker 2: Just no there's just people who love this. Just just

491
00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:32,160
Speaker 2: say like everyone is loving it so much.

492
00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:35,240
Speaker 1: Our Discord really loved it. Whack whack and the Discord

493
00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:37,240
Speaker 1: I'm so in love with The show felt natural, lived

494
00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:39,840
Speaker 1: in and every moment felt like it mattered, furthering emotional

495
00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:42,440
Speaker 1: connections to these characters. And I think that's right. You know,

496
00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:45,480
Speaker 1: like so much of this show was not about some

497
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:51,240
Speaker 1: massive secret mission or cosmic battle. It was just the guys.

498
00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:54,520
Speaker 1: It was the feet of Clay thing that Stanley has

499
00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:55,520
Speaker 1: been talking about.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes, great way to put.

501
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Speaker 1: It for seventy years. Like it is that it is

502
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:04,520
Speaker 1: a guy who's like, I don't know, you know where

503
00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:10,120
Speaker 1: my rent is coming from. I'm struggling professionally and you know, personally,

504
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:13,600
Speaker 1: and also I have superpowers. That's like the Marvel formula.

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00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:16,800
Speaker 2: Mm hmm okay. Also, Jason, I got to ask you,

506
00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:20,720
Speaker 2: there's so many amazing monologues in this show. I think

507
00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:24,200
Speaker 2: mine is the Trevor to Simon one where he basically

508
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:26,560
Speaker 2: just tells him like, you know, that's not true. The

509
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:29,760
Speaker 2: real you isn't your condition. It's the sum of everything

510
00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:33,120
Speaker 2: you've experience, the loss of joy, the sadness, wanting something

511
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:36,360
Speaker 2: so badly you could burst, hurting someone you care about,

512
00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:39,920
Speaker 2: being hurt that by those you love. Jason, if you

513
00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:41,760
Speaker 2: were going to do a monologue, if you were going

514
00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:43,560
Speaker 2: in to read for wonder Man and you were going

515
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:45,840
Speaker 2: to do a monologue from wonder Man, which one would

516
00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:47,600
Speaker 2: you be picking of?

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Speaker 1: Oh? Wow, that's good. I mean I like I honestly

518
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:55,040
Speaker 1: every I would do a Vonkvath. Some I would do

519
00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:58,800
Speaker 1: a yeah, something you could definely so demented in this movie.

520
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:07,320
Speaker 1: It's like, I watch Megalopolis. If you liked Vaughn in

521
00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:13,239
Speaker 1: this movie, Yeah, watch Mega because it is seriously like

522
00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:17,120
Speaker 1: a Francis Ford Coppola satire. It really is.

523
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:22,600
Speaker 2: Okay, Jason von Kovac has now you know, the movie

524
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:26,880
Speaker 2: was a massive success. Simon has somehow gotten himself back.

525
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:28,760
Speaker 2: This is my theory. This is what I would pitch

526
00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:32,400
Speaker 2: for season two, right Simon. He von Kovac is like, Okay, well,

527
00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:34,400
Speaker 2: now you have become wonder Man. So I want to

528
00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:38,360
Speaker 2: make the meta movie or follow up TV series about

529
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:41,000
Speaker 2: your life as both the real Supero wonder Man and

530
00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:43,800
Speaker 2: the actor who plays wonder Man. I think that would

531
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Speaker 2: be incredible, But I've got to hear more of your

532
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:50,000
Speaker 2: von Kovac, Jason, so I'm gonna need you to pitch

533
00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:53,040
Speaker 2: me what your follow up to this wonder Man movie

534
00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:55,680
Speaker 2: would be in the voice of none other than the

535
00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:58,360
Speaker 2: demented yet kind von Kovac, who I have to say,

536
00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:01,160
Speaker 2: I was a big fan of the little moments of

537
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:03,760
Speaker 2: kindness they did give, like when somebody tries to kind

538
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:06,400
Speaker 2: of mock Simon about being upset and he was like, hey,

539
00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:08,960
Speaker 2: calm down, you know. So he's like deranged but a

540
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:12,080
Speaker 2: little more humanist than I think the people that he

541
00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:17,120
Speaker 2: is really based on. So anyway, Jason, pitch me wonder Man.

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00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:20,160
Speaker 2: You're a wonder Man follow up. But as von Kovac, I.

543
00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:23,160
Speaker 1: Think we need a von Kovak documentary about the founding

544
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:27,479
Speaker 1: of the West Coast Avengers. Oh yes, that's kind of

545
00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:32,240
Speaker 1: you know. That is you know, a like almost like

546
00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:40,240
Speaker 1: a Grizzly Man type commentary from from von Kovac as

547
00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:46,000
Speaker 1: he follows Simon Williams assembling the team that will be

548
00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:49,200
Speaker 1: known as the West Coast Avengers, which I think should

549
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:50,880
Speaker 1: be the way they go at this point, because like

550
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:55,440
Speaker 1: your point about it, about it being very reminiscent of

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00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:58,520
Speaker 1: the way that Ironman one ends, I think is right,

552
00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:05,480
Speaker 1: and Simon being kind of the most along with she

553
00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:10,080
Speaker 1: Hulk right about being the most at this point notable

554
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:13,400
Speaker 1: West Coast superhero.

555
00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:14,879
Speaker 2: That's a great call.

556
00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:18,759
Speaker 1: It'd be cool to see. And he's ostensibly got some

557
00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:23,520
Speaker 1: millions of dollars with which to fund this project, assuming

558
00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:27,800
Speaker 1: that the government hasn't like seized his bank accounts, So true,

559
00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:29,360
Speaker 1: he could put the team together.

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00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:32,040
Speaker 2: M hm. That feels like as well, guess who else

561
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:35,880
Speaker 2: is Hella Rich, Kate Bishop Hawkaye. She's so rich, her

562
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:38,719
Speaker 2: mum's in prison. I feel like those two together could

563
00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:43,160
Speaker 2: really be living in that compound, protecting themselves. Maybe also,

564
00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:46,920
Speaker 2: I'm seeing some kind of world where Simon maybe becomes

565
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:50,960
Speaker 2: a kind of figurehead for public superheroes. I'm wondering if

566
00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:53,920
Speaker 2: that's where we're going again, replicating that Iron Man feeling,

567
00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:57,720
Speaker 2: but maybe as more of an activist. Because also something

568
00:34:57,880 --> 00:34:59,400
Speaker 2: and we talked about this a little bit in the

569
00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:03,720
Speaker 2: first season the first chunk of episodes, but this really

570
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:07,520
Speaker 2: does start to establish some of the laws and layout

571
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:09,879
Speaker 2: that we're going to end up with for the X Men,

572
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:12,640
Speaker 2: like the Department of Damage Control here are essentially acting

573
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:14,799
Speaker 2: as if they are Ice. They are arresting people. They

574
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:17,640
Speaker 2: arrest Trevor. He doesn't have superpowers, but they arrest him.

575
00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:19,759
Speaker 2: They put him in a superpowered people's prison because they

576
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:23,120
Speaker 2: need to fill it up, And that to me is

577
00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:27,279
Speaker 2: very interesting. And I think that by allowing Simon and

578
00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:29,960
Speaker 2: potentially Kate Bishop in the West Coast Avengers to have

579
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:32,920
Speaker 2: almost an isolated existence, they can stay as the kind

580
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:37,920
Speaker 2: of rebellion to this kind of oncoming swath of anti mutant,

581
00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:42,360
Speaker 2: anti superhero legislations that I think we'll see keep popping

582
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:44,760
Speaker 2: up as Department of Damage Control grows.

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Speaker 1: I love this reveal, basically confirmation that Josh gadd is

584
00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:53,160
Speaker 1: still alive in Doorman, which we talked about yeah in

585
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Speaker 1: our first episode. Incredible leading to Okay, so when does

586
00:35:57,680 --> 00:36:01,799
Speaker 1: Ged come out? Number one? How long has it been?

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00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:07,120
Speaker 1: It's probably I'm guessing it's been no more than five years, right,

588
00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:09,520
Speaker 1: it can't be.

589
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:11,160
Speaker 2: It can't be.

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00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:13,840
Speaker 1: It can't be longer than that. And it's got to

591
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:18,520
Speaker 1: be post the blip, right, it can't be before the blip.

592
00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:21,600
Speaker 1: So it's got to be post blip and no more,

593
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:24,920
Speaker 1: no more than five years. And so my I have

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Speaker 1: two questions. One, how do we get Gad back? Like

595
00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:31,120
Speaker 1: when does Gad come out? And in what what context

596
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:34,359
Speaker 1: does Gad pop out? It would be really funny if

597
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:39,640
Speaker 1: like during some big battle during Tuesday, uh, like at

598
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:42,319
Speaker 1: the end of like endgame, when all the heroes are

599
00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:45,680
Speaker 1: like charging the bad guys, Gad pops out of Doorman.

600
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Speaker 1: And two does this create I could see like a

601
00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:55,399
Speaker 1: subplot of of of wonder Man season two being that

602
00:36:56,080 --> 00:37:00,520
Speaker 1: Doorman finds a sideline. It's a kind of like a

603
00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:04,560
Speaker 1: health and wellness sideline, because God, there's a world in

604
00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:07,440
Speaker 1: which Dad is not aged, right, he is not aged

605
00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:09,480
Speaker 1: in five years, and he's impact.

606
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:12,840
Speaker 2: He's just been living in a chilled space essentially.

607
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:16,680
Speaker 1: So like what if you go, like you spend your

608
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:22,359
Speaker 1: every time you're not on set working, you could pay

609
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:26,200
Speaker 1: if you're like an actor working actor or someone who

610
00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:30,840
Speaker 1: cares about your looks, you could pay Doorman to like whatever,

611
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:35,240
Speaker 1: spend even spend nights sleeping in Doorman, so that essentially

612
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:38,680
Speaker 1: time stops for you. And so over the course of

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Speaker 1: say three years, if you're spending every name some of

614
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:48,719
Speaker 1: your downtime. Certain weeks inside Doorman, you've aged only a

615
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:51,960
Speaker 1: half to a third of the amount of a normal

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00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:55,760
Speaker 1: person who has lived outside of Doorman during that time.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I love that, And also that kind of fits

618
00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:02,400
Speaker 2: in with Andrew Guestgate the show, and I gave a

619
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:09,000
Speaker 2: really funny, insightful, kind of like kind of info dump

620
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:11,239
Speaker 2: where he said, Josh Gadd is still alive, so we

621
00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:14,439
Speaker 2: were right, and if there's a season two, he will

622
00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:18,759
Speaker 2: definitely get them out. And I do love that, and

623
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Speaker 2: I also love your read because he said, you know,

624
00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:23,279
Speaker 2: maybe Josh Gadd would even get doorman powers, so it

625
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:26,120
Speaker 2: would actually be hilarious if the normal doormann got to

626
00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:28,640
Speaker 2: still be Doorman, but Josh Gadd was now like the

627
00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:32,480
Speaker 2: celebrity wellness doorman. It's like, come and stay in Josh

628
00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:37,160
Speaker 2: Gadd's is relaxing stomach palace or however you would you know,

629
00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:42,080
Speaker 2: the Josh gad belly rehab or whatever it is. So yeah,

630
00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:45,400
Speaker 2: that's very interesting. Also, there was a great interview in

631
00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:48,920
Speaker 2: Entertainment Weekly that dropped when the show dropped by Sydney

632
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:52,240
Speaker 2: Box Bahm, who's another one of my entertainment journalists colleagues,

633
00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:56,399
Speaker 2: and in that there is actually like a different ending

634
00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:58,719
Speaker 2: for the show where it was going to be this

635
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:02,040
Speaker 2: kind of like they performed Black Boxtit are together, They're

636
00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:04,600
Speaker 2: performing Hamlet, and they kind of like levitated off the

637
00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:06,600
Speaker 2: floor and it was like this creative moment, but they

638
00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:09,640
Speaker 2: decided to go for the big emotional ending where it's

639
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:11,919
Speaker 2: kind of about these men choosing to put someone else

640
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:14,160
Speaker 2: in front of each other for the first time. And

641
00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:19,799
Speaker 2: I just think that works so well and is so delightful,

642
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:21,359
Speaker 2: and I think it sounds like it was something that

643
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:26,920
Speaker 2: really moved both like Yah Yah and Ben Kingsley because

644
00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:29,600
Speaker 2: it was just all about like sacrifice and friendship. And

645
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:31,279
Speaker 2: I love that because I don't think you get a

646
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:33,640
Speaker 2: lot of stories about like the power of male friendship

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Speaker 2: and the importance of like sacrificing yourself and also just

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Speaker 2: like men crying. There's a lot of crying in this show,

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Speaker 2: and I love it, especially the conversation that Simon and

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Speaker 2: Anna then have outside before the award when Simon's just

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Speaker 2: like I fucked that, like it's done, you know, and

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Speaker 2: he wants to give up. I just feel like we've

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Speaker 2: all been there, and I love that he gets to

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Speaker 2: have that moment of coming out of that and proving himself.

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Speaker 1: Wonder Man's Season two, Where does it go? What is

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Speaker 1: your pitch? Where do you think happens?

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Speaker 2: Yes, so I do. Yeah, my pitch would be kind

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Speaker 2: of my idea that I had. I think what they

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Speaker 2: should do is have von Kovac make the second season

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Speaker 2: as a documentary about Simon being both an actor and

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Speaker 2: a superhero. I think you can have a lot of

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Speaker 2: fun there both obviously Andrew Guess, Daniela su Kreten, they

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Speaker 2: really just Daniel Karen. They really want to have this

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Speaker 2: show come back and maybe potentially, you know, see these

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Speaker 2: guys in the movie. Kingsley basically said, like anything could happen,

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Speaker 2: And I think that for Yaya, he said, the biggest

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Speaker 2: thing he's interested in is like Simon's whole life, He's

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Speaker 2: wanted this stardom, He's wanted this fame, he's wanted to act,

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Speaker 2: and now he's got it. Like what happens, Like how

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Speaker 2: does that change for him? You know? Is he gonna

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Speaker 2: be Okay? So I'm very interested. I would love to

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Speaker 2: see the two of them again. And I just think

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Speaker 2: this is such an inventive and lovely show. Oh that

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Speaker 2: ironically you know, we talked a lot about what does

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Speaker 2: it mean to be a Marvel spotlight show. Well, I

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Speaker 2: think Marvel now has the answer, like show this say

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Speaker 2: to people, hey, watch wonder Man and then come to

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Speaker 2: us with your wonder Man. We don't mean replicate wonder Man,

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Speaker 2: we mean come to us with your unique take that

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Speaker 2: was shaped by your life and the people who you

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Speaker 2: want to you know, work with alongside and see if

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Speaker 2: you can do something like this, because I do think

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Speaker 2: this is the first time that we've gotten something from

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Speaker 2: Marvel that DC really has never done in the same way. Now,

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Speaker 2: DC did have a half an hour sitcom Powerless that

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Speaker 2: was really funny, but the pilot original pilot was great,

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Speaker 2: very biting. It turned into more of a standard sitcom

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Speaker 2: that was kind of a damage control riff in its

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Speaker 2: own way, but again very classic sitcom, a kind of

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Speaker 2: like half an hour slice of life, adult existential comedy.

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Speaker 2: Like neither of these people have done this in live action,

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Speaker 2: and I think it is finally giving Marvel a little

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Speaker 2: bit of an edge on DC, especially when we look

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Speaker 2: at the TV offerings from James Gunn, which we love

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Speaker 2: Creature Commandos, Piece May, but they're very standard comedy shows

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Speaker 2: like they are very much about the laughs, same with Harlequin.

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Speaker 2: If Marvel can cement this tone and maybe have Destin

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Speaker 2: and Andrew Guest as sort of like a creative council

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Speaker 2: bringing in new underrepresented under you know, seeing filmmakers and

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Speaker 2: TV makers to make this into kind of like a

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Speaker 2: stable for new Marvel talent. They could really build themselves

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Speaker 2: up into a place where in five years and Secret

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Speaker 2: Wars is done, they are ready to come out with

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Speaker 2: something entirely new that can kind of shape the game.

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Speaker 1: I would lovely agree. I think that there's a world

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Speaker 1: where they could like high browse c w it.

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Speaker 2: You know the way exactly exactly, and create.

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Speaker 1: This kind of TV universe that can easily be ported

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Speaker 1: into movies when time is right, I'll go. I have

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Speaker 1: another thought, which is, tell me if one day there

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Speaker 1: is a DC Marvel movie crossover mm hmmm, which it

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Speaker 1: feels like the final bullet to be fired at the

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Speaker 1: end of like all of the various phases DC phases

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Speaker 1: and Marvel phases, Like it feels like at some point

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Speaker 1: the money might be right and the deal might be

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Speaker 1: right that they would decide to do it. If so,

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Speaker 1: and there's been How many of these in comics? How

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Speaker 1: many times have you see it?

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Speaker 2: So, I mean so many, Like it's.

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Speaker 1: Probably happened like five or six or seven times, right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, if you include like Amaltham and the different ones

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Speaker 2: where they come together or they're reimagine, there's different characters

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Speaker 2: like and obviously the famous ones You're you know, You're Jlien,

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Speaker 2: Avengers and stuff. So yeah, it's it's definitely got a

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Speaker 2: lot of precedent, and it's what the people.

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Speaker 1: Want when and if they do do it. The characters,

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Speaker 1: the actors who play characters in both universes should continue

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Speaker 1: to play both characters.

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Speaker 3: For instance, for instance, I would lot Go Bridge, who

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Speaker 3: please on Kovac in wonder Man, should also play Vassil

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Speaker 3: Girkos from Supermans.

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Speaker 2: Excuse me, I need to see that. Also, wouldn't like

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Speaker 2: how funny would it be to see to him playing

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Speaker 2: both of those roles on screen? Not just that? Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: like I want to see wonder Man and I also

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Speaker 2: want to see Black Manta like on this is That's

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Speaker 2: why this is what I agree, Jason. I love that take,

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Speaker 2: and I think that in the Metas space that we're in,

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Speaker 2: especially if we're going to play the obvious inevitable cord

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Speaker 2: of Doom showing up and Captain America crying and being

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Speaker 2: lance Tony. Then like, come on, let's have fun with it.

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Speaker 2: Let's let's have Thanos and Cable like, let's do all

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Speaker 2: of it.

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Speaker 1: Yes, let's be silly, Let's be silly. This what a

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Speaker 1: wonderful show. I'm really excited for a season two, if

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Speaker 1: indeed it does happen. I'm excited for more Marvel spotlights.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't seem as if they have any in the offing,

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Speaker 1: but I think the success, certainly the critical success of

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Speaker 1: a wonder Man, is going to help put Marvel back

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Speaker 1: on the forward foot with regards to launching TV and

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Speaker 1: giving them a map they can follow to uh to

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Speaker 1: put some of these characters out there, and I hope

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Speaker 1: they follow it because what a triumph this was.

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Speaker 2: It was a total triumph. And totally agreed Jason. I

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Speaker 2: also want to shout out, it's the woman who should

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Speaker 2: be in charge of the MCU. Let her be in charge. Guys,

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Speaker 2: we were all happy to see it. Imman Villani, Miss

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Speaker 2: Marvel herself did review wonder Man. If you didn't believe

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Speaker 2: me and Jason that it was good, she gave it

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Speaker 2: four and a half stars, and she said watch wonder Man.

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Speaker 2: And she wrote an incredibly good two page long letterbox

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Speaker 2: of you, including shouting out those great needle drops like

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Speaker 2: we got the you know, Madonna like a prayer that

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Speaker 2: was so fun, The Superman by the Commodores, I Feel

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Speaker 2: for You by sha Ka Khan like and it was Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So if you don't believe us, believe in mam Villani

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Speaker 2: because we love her and I can't wait her and

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Speaker 2: Simon Williams like his kind of awkward insecurity matching with

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Speaker 2: her fandom is just going to be so fun to see.

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Speaker 1: On the next episode of Extra Division, we're diving into

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Speaker 1: the biggest news of the week. That's it for this episode.

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