1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,360 Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on 2 00:00:03,480 --> 00:00:06,920 Speaker 1: iHeartRadio and welcome back to Coast to Coast George Nori 3 00:00:07,040 --> 00:00:08,959 Speaker 1: with you. We've got a great program for you tonight 4 00:00:09,000 --> 00:00:11,280 Speaker 1: for the first couple hours. Mitch Horror which joins us 5 00:00:11,360 --> 00:00:15,760 Speaker 1: Historian of Alternative Spirituality, one of today's most literate voices 6 00:00:15,840 --> 00:00:21,640 Speaker 1: of esoterica, mysticism, the occult. Mitch illuminates outsider history, explains 7 00:00:21,680 --> 00:00:25,680 Speaker 1: its relevance to contemporary life, and reveals the longstanding quest 8 00:00:25,720 --> 00:00:29,240 Speaker 1: to bring empowerment and agency to the human condition. He 9 00:00:29,640 --> 00:00:33,159 Speaker 1: is the latest book, The Miracle Month, Thirty Days to 10 00:00:33,240 --> 00:00:36,120 Speaker 1: a Revolution in your Life. Mitch, welcome back, my friend. 11 00:00:36,320 --> 00:00:38,440 Speaker 1: Thank you George. Great to be here. As always tell 12 00:00:38,479 --> 00:00:42,080 Speaker 1: me about the title the Miracle Month. My contention is 13 00:00:42,080 --> 00:00:44,400 Speaker 1: that thirty days is really what you need to turn 14 00:00:44,600 --> 00:00:47,320 Speaker 1: your life around. You know, we are creatures of habit, 15 00:00:47,400 --> 00:00:51,280 Speaker 1: and habits can be changed. And thirty days of productive habits, 16 00:00:51,280 --> 00:00:54,000 Speaker 1: thirty days of getting rid of things that are superfluous 17 00:00:54,160 --> 00:00:57,280 Speaker 1: or that cause you unhappiness, leaves the only thing that 18 00:00:57,480 --> 00:01:00,160 Speaker 1: can be left, which is the real you. Now, when 19 00:01:00,200 --> 00:01:03,920 Speaker 1: you say turning your life around, what's wrong with it? 20 00:01:03,960 --> 00:01:07,360 Speaker 1: In the first place. General, I think most of us, George, 21 00:01:07,360 --> 00:01:11,480 Speaker 1: feel a real absence of productive, creative, ethical power in 22 00:01:11,520 --> 00:01:15,120 Speaker 1: our lives. We feel like we're living by other people's decisions. 23 00:01:15,160 --> 00:01:18,039 Speaker 1: We feel like we're in proximity to people perhaps who 24 00:01:18,319 --> 00:01:21,319 Speaker 1: don't take us seriously, or who make jokes and remarks 25 00:01:21,319 --> 00:01:24,679 Speaker 1: at our expense. We feel like perhaps we're killing time 26 00:01:24,800 --> 00:01:30,000 Speaker 1: through social media or streaming videos rather than doing something 27 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:33,440 Speaker 1: creative and purposeful in the world. We all have something 28 00:01:33,440 --> 00:01:35,960 Speaker 1: that we want to be doing, and in these thirty days, 29 00:01:36,040 --> 00:01:38,319 Speaker 1: I hope I can help myself and others get to 30 00:01:38,400 --> 00:01:40,760 Speaker 1: that place. Match. I've always felt that a miracle was 31 00:01:40,800 --> 00:01:45,480 Speaker 1: something God given that helps us out of some horrible situation, 32 00:01:45,720 --> 00:01:49,520 Speaker 1: and whether through prayer or whatever, something changes it and 33 00:01:49,600 --> 00:01:52,080 Speaker 1: it's a miracle. But what do you think of a miracle? 34 00:01:52,160 --> 00:01:55,120 Speaker 1: How do you define that? I define a miracle very 35 00:01:55,120 --> 00:02:00,600 Speaker 1: simply as a fortuitous circumstance that surpasses all reasonable expectation. 36 00:02:00,680 --> 00:02:03,600 Speaker 1: And the truth is, George, these things do happen to 37 00:02:03,720 --> 00:02:07,640 Speaker 1: us in the same way that catastrophes or tragedies enter 38 00:02:07,680 --> 00:02:11,920 Speaker 1: our lives, and they do. Absurdly good news enters our lives, 39 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:15,840 Speaker 1: absurdly wonderful things enters our lives. And the truth is, 40 00:02:15,919 --> 00:02:21,120 Speaker 1: we would all agree that sometimes people behave in ways 41 00:02:21,200 --> 00:02:27,000 Speaker 1: that invite catastrophe. They behave in reckless ways, and they're 42 00:02:27,160 --> 00:02:31,000 Speaker 1: they're inviting tragedy or catastrophe into their lives. By the 43 00:02:31,080 --> 00:02:33,239 Speaker 1: same token, I think we have to agree that our 44 00:02:33,240 --> 00:02:36,919 Speaker 1: behaviors can also invite the miraculous into our lives. When 45 00:02:37,280 --> 00:02:40,200 Speaker 1: we bring this black cloud over our heads, I mean, 46 00:02:40,200 --> 00:02:42,680 Speaker 1: we're the ones responsible for this, aren't we. We're the 47 00:02:42,680 --> 00:02:45,960 Speaker 1: ones that are doing this A great deal of the time. 48 00:02:46,160 --> 00:02:49,600 Speaker 1: I'll always say, I'll always say there are sometimes where 49 00:02:49,639 --> 00:02:53,720 Speaker 1: accidents do befall people. I've never really cotton to that expression. 50 00:02:53,720 --> 00:02:56,680 Speaker 1: There are no accidents. I do think that people suffer 51 00:02:56,720 --> 00:03:01,079 Speaker 1: from accidents. I do think that people suffer from unforeseeable 52 00:03:01,360 --> 00:03:05,239 Speaker 1: health prevailing crises, sometimes health crises, and in those cases 53 00:03:05,480 --> 00:03:08,920 Speaker 1: an individual does have reason to feel that they have 54 00:03:09,040 --> 00:03:11,960 Speaker 1: suffered life has treated them unfairly. I have to acknowledge that. 55 00:03:12,040 --> 00:03:14,680 Speaker 1: But the vast majority of the time, the vast majority 56 00:03:14,720 --> 00:03:17,079 Speaker 1: of the time, absolutely I agree, one hundred percent. I 57 00:03:17,160 --> 00:03:19,560 Speaker 1: think we alone are responsible. And what about being in 58 00:03:19,600 --> 00:03:22,040 Speaker 1: the wrong place at the wrong time. It does occur, 59 00:03:22,200 --> 00:03:24,720 Speaker 1: it does occur, but we have to ask ourselves a 60 00:03:24,760 --> 00:03:28,000 Speaker 1: real serious question, did I want it? Did I want it? 61 00:03:28,040 --> 00:03:30,080 Speaker 1: And I don't mean that in a heartless way, because 62 00:03:30,360 --> 00:03:34,480 Speaker 1: the truth is, you know, I suffer from depression. Sometimes 63 00:03:34,600 --> 00:03:38,120 Speaker 1: I suffer from anxiety. Sometimes I suffer from self doubt. 64 00:03:38,200 --> 00:03:41,520 Speaker 1: Sometimes I'm no different from anybody else listening. But we 65 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:44,320 Speaker 1: have to ask ourselves the question, and it's a heavy question. 66 00:03:44,760 --> 00:03:48,280 Speaker 1: Do I enjoy my suffering? Because we human beings do 67 00:03:48,440 --> 00:03:52,840 Speaker 1: tend to be a pretty selfish species. We do things 68 00:03:52,880 --> 00:03:56,240 Speaker 1: because we perceive some reward in them. And my question 69 00:03:56,320 --> 00:03:59,440 Speaker 1: to myself, my question to my friends, my questions to 70 00:03:59,520 --> 00:04:03,040 Speaker 1: the coast emily, is are we doing things to ourselves 71 00:04:03,120 --> 00:04:06,320 Speaker 1: that we complain about but that secretly we really enjoy. 72 00:04:06,400 --> 00:04:11,680 Speaker 1: For example, sometimes getting angry, sometimes feeling anxiety brings a 73 00:04:11,760 --> 00:04:15,680 Speaker 1: sense of drama or excitement into our lives. Sometimes we 74 00:04:15,800 --> 00:04:18,240 Speaker 1: provoke other people into arguments because it gives us a 75 00:04:18,320 --> 00:04:21,599 Speaker 1: kind of false feeling of life. We are responsible for 76 00:04:21,640 --> 00:04:25,000 Speaker 1: a lot more that enters our lives than we often acknowledge. 77 00:04:25,400 --> 00:04:28,880 Speaker 1: You outline over the thirty days different steps in order 78 00:04:28,920 --> 00:04:32,200 Speaker 1: to get to this point of hitting a something miraculous. 79 00:04:32,400 --> 00:04:35,520 Speaker 1: We'll go through some of the points during this interview 80 00:04:35,520 --> 00:04:40,200 Speaker 1: with you, Mitch. But can people really change their habits 81 00:04:40,320 --> 00:04:45,159 Speaker 1: to change and make a miracle? I would only say 82 00:04:45,279 --> 00:04:49,279 Speaker 1: so having experienced it myself. I am at a point 83 00:04:49,279 --> 00:04:52,480 Speaker 1: in my life today. I'm fifty five years old. I'm 84 00:04:52,560 --> 00:04:55,320 Speaker 1: living out things in my life that I dreamt of 85 00:04:55,800 --> 00:04:57,599 Speaker 1: when I was a little kid, and it took me 86 00:04:57,680 --> 00:05:00,159 Speaker 1: a long time to get here, but I did get ye, 87 00:05:00,520 --> 00:05:03,440 Speaker 1: And the correspondence is uncanny, and I can't imagine there's 88 00:05:03,480 --> 00:05:07,720 Speaker 1: anything about my life that's dramatically exceptional or different from 89 00:05:07,720 --> 00:05:11,880 Speaker 1: anybody else's. I do believe there's an extraordinary congruity between 90 00:05:11,920 --> 00:05:14,479 Speaker 1: what we really want and what happens to us. But 91 00:05:14,720 --> 00:05:17,120 Speaker 1: the problem is sometimes we're not really frank about what 92 00:05:17,160 --> 00:05:19,720 Speaker 1: we really want. So these thirty days are also a 93 00:05:19,760 --> 00:05:23,320 Speaker 1: really heavy trip into self honesty. And the first exercise 94 00:05:23,360 --> 00:05:26,280 Speaker 1: that you have in the Miracle Month is entitled how 95 00:05:26,360 --> 00:05:29,800 Speaker 1: sick Explain? Yeah? You know. One time I was sitting 96 00:05:29,839 --> 00:05:32,840 Speaker 1: in a meeting of a group of esoteric seekers and 97 00:05:33,279 --> 00:05:36,200 Speaker 1: one of my colleagues in the meeting said, you know, 98 00:05:37,040 --> 00:05:40,479 Speaker 1: I am I'm so sick and tired of being scared 99 00:05:40,520 --> 00:05:44,840 Speaker 1: all the time. I'm so sick of experiencing anxiety all 100 00:05:44,880 --> 00:05:47,560 Speaker 1: the time, And one of the senior people in the 101 00:05:47,600 --> 00:05:51,479 Speaker 1: group meeting said to him, how sick? How sick are 102 00:05:51,520 --> 00:05:53,520 Speaker 1: you of it? Are you really so sick of it 103 00:05:53,880 --> 00:05:57,120 Speaker 1: that you would do anything to upend those problems in 104 00:05:57,120 --> 00:05:59,680 Speaker 1: your life? Are you so sick of it that you 105 00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:03,719 Speaker 1: would do anything to invite a different, fuller, better existence 106 00:06:03,760 --> 00:06:06,520 Speaker 1: in your life? Are you willing to sacrifice this suffering? 107 00:06:06,839 --> 00:06:08,719 Speaker 1: And so that's the question I open a book with, 108 00:06:08,880 --> 00:06:10,640 Speaker 1: you know, if there's something in your life that you 109 00:06:10,720 --> 00:06:13,560 Speaker 1: say you really are tired of Again, allowing for the 110 00:06:13,600 --> 00:06:16,960 Speaker 1: fact that there are outer circumstances that befall people sometimes 111 00:06:16,960 --> 00:06:20,000 Speaker 1: and I would never be callous about that, but most 112 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:22,240 Speaker 1: of the time we're afraid to stand in front of 113 00:06:22,240 --> 00:06:25,280 Speaker 1: the question, am I sick enough of this to really 114 00:06:25,320 --> 00:06:28,960 Speaker 1: foster a change? In thirty days? Will people see some 115 00:06:29,080 --> 00:06:33,280 Speaker 1: kind of change? I rarely use these words, but I'm 116 00:06:33,320 --> 00:06:36,200 Speaker 1: going to use them tonight. I absolutely guarantee it. I 117 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:41,119 Speaker 1: absolutely affer wow, I Mitch hor what's guarantee here? I've 118 00:06:41,160 --> 00:06:44,080 Speaker 1: lived it, I've worked with this material, I've sweat over it. 119 00:06:44,760 --> 00:06:47,479 Speaker 1: I would never offer something to my neighbor that I 120 00:06:47,520 --> 00:06:50,760 Speaker 1: hadn't tried and affirmed in my own experience. And there's 121 00:06:50,800 --> 00:06:53,760 Speaker 1: more that unites us than divides us. My life can't 122 00:06:53,800 --> 00:06:56,680 Speaker 1: be exceptional, and so I take seriously what I experience 123 00:06:56,760 --> 00:06:58,640 Speaker 1: and I try to share it with somebody else. Do 124 00:06:58,680 --> 00:07:01,600 Speaker 1: you get spiritual at all in the book? Oh? Yeah, 125 00:07:01,640 --> 00:07:04,359 Speaker 1: I do. You know, I'm probably a little less spiritual 126 00:07:04,360 --> 00:07:06,400 Speaker 1: in this book than some of my others. I mean, 127 00:07:06,400 --> 00:07:08,440 Speaker 1: when I say spiritual, I mean a belief in the 128 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:11,240 Speaker 1: extra physical. I mean that we do have an existence 129 00:07:11,280 --> 00:07:14,040 Speaker 1: that goes beyond flesh and bone, and I do bring 130 00:07:14,080 --> 00:07:15,760 Speaker 1: that out in this book. I mean I am a 131 00:07:15,760 --> 00:07:19,600 Speaker 1: spiritual seeker. But what readers will find is that this 132 00:07:19,640 --> 00:07:23,680 Speaker 1: book is really concretely focused on very very simple day 133 00:07:23,680 --> 00:07:26,440 Speaker 1: to day activities. I'm going to jump around on some 134 00:07:26,480 --> 00:07:29,000 Speaker 1: of these activities. You've got one that has to do 135 00:07:29,080 --> 00:07:34,440 Speaker 1: with the airport. To tell me about thattport. Leave the airport, 136 00:07:34,560 --> 00:07:39,040 Speaker 1: Leave the airport. Basically, one time I was traveling in 137 00:07:39,040 --> 00:07:41,760 Speaker 1: a foreign country and my partner and I were at 138 00:07:41,800 --> 00:07:43,840 Speaker 1: the airport and we found out that the car rental 139 00:07:43,880 --> 00:07:46,120 Speaker 1: agency where we had rented our car had gone out 140 00:07:46,120 --> 00:07:48,920 Speaker 1: of business and the place was recovering from a hurricane. 141 00:07:48,920 --> 00:07:51,600 Speaker 1: It was total chaos and everything was kind of falling apart, 142 00:07:52,120 --> 00:07:54,640 Speaker 1: and the first possible opportunity we had to get out 143 00:07:54,640 --> 00:07:56,920 Speaker 1: of there I took, and I took it immediately. You 144 00:07:57,040 --> 00:08:00,640 Speaker 1: have to act. Life favors action when in a desperate 145 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:04,400 Speaker 1: situation or a bad situation. Any decision is better than 146 00:08:04,400 --> 00:08:07,080 Speaker 1: no decision. So leaving the airport in that case meant 147 00:08:07,320 --> 00:08:09,680 Speaker 1: leaving a place that was chaotic. I hopped into a 148 00:08:09,760 --> 00:08:12,440 Speaker 1: van for a nationally known car rental place. I didn't 149 00:08:12,480 --> 00:08:14,440 Speaker 1: know where it was, what neighborhood it was in. I 150 00:08:14,480 --> 00:08:17,120 Speaker 1: just knew it was a name I recognized, and I 151 00:08:17,160 --> 00:08:19,520 Speaker 1: said to the driver, just take us wherever you're going 152 00:08:19,600 --> 00:08:21,200 Speaker 1: to park your car for the rest of the day. 153 00:08:21,440 --> 00:08:23,680 Speaker 1: We'll take it from there. You have to act when 154 00:08:23,680 --> 00:08:25,520 Speaker 1: you're in a crisis, do whatever you can to get 155 00:08:25,520 --> 00:08:28,400 Speaker 1: out of it. Where are angels fit into this match? Well, 156 00:08:28,400 --> 00:08:30,640 Speaker 1: it's an interesting question, you know. I believe in extra 157 00:08:30,640 --> 00:08:34,600 Speaker 1: physical energies. I believe our ancient ancestors were right in 158 00:08:34,760 --> 00:08:38,600 Speaker 1: identifying what we might call gods or deities. They simply 159 00:08:38,640 --> 00:08:42,920 Speaker 1: personified energies that they detected in nature. I do believe 160 00:08:43,200 --> 00:08:45,760 Speaker 1: that there's invisible help. I do believe in prayer. It 161 00:08:45,840 --> 00:08:47,839 Speaker 1: doesn't have to be any one kind of prayer, doesn't 162 00:08:47,840 --> 00:08:50,400 Speaker 1: have to belong to any one religion. But I think 163 00:08:50,400 --> 00:08:52,640 Speaker 1: we should take a cue from our ancient ancestors, who 164 00:08:52,720 --> 00:08:55,920 Speaker 1: knew so much about nature, that these extra physical energies 165 00:08:55,920 --> 00:08:59,120 Speaker 1: do exist. They can be petitioned, and we can form 166 00:08:59,160 --> 00:09:02,840 Speaker 1: relationships with them, including at our darkest moment. You've talked 167 00:09:02,840 --> 00:09:06,640 Speaker 1: about three conditions of a miracle. These are pretty important. Yeah, 168 00:09:06,679 --> 00:09:09,840 Speaker 1: now this is where the book gets more spiritual. Here's 169 00:09:09,920 --> 00:09:11,680 Speaker 1: I believe, and you and I have talked about this 170 00:09:11,720 --> 00:09:14,040 Speaker 1: in the past. I believe in mind causation. I believe 171 00:09:14,040 --> 00:09:17,400 Speaker 1: in what we call the magic of believing. Basically, three 172 00:09:17,440 --> 00:09:20,600 Speaker 1: steps to a miracle, super simple. A clarified desire, be 173 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:24,319 Speaker 1: really clear on what you want. A state of physical immobility, 174 00:09:24,640 --> 00:09:27,600 Speaker 1: like the state that you experienced just before drifting to 175 00:09:27,640 --> 00:09:31,400 Speaker 1: sleep at night. And then number three, run a scene 176 00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:33,800 Speaker 1: through your head over and over as long as it 177 00:09:33,840 --> 00:09:37,199 Speaker 1: feels natural. A short, simple scene that implies the fulfillment 178 00:09:37,200 --> 00:09:39,719 Speaker 1: of what you want, like maybe your boss shaking your 179 00:09:39,720 --> 00:09:42,920 Speaker 1: hand and congratulating you on something. Let yourself drift off 180 00:09:42,960 --> 00:09:45,720 Speaker 1: to sleep, don't tell anyone, watch or do what you're doing, 181 00:09:45,960 --> 00:09:49,800 Speaker 1: and watch very carefully, watch very very carefully for the 182 00:09:49,840 --> 00:09:52,559 Speaker 1: desired thing to enter your life, because miracles do enter 183 00:09:52,600 --> 00:09:55,600 Speaker 1: our lives, but we overlook them and we think, oh, 184 00:09:55,640 --> 00:09:58,120 Speaker 1: that's too ordinary, or that can't be writer, that doesn't 185 00:09:58,120 --> 00:10:02,319 Speaker 1: look like what I imagined. In ancient religious stories, there 186 00:10:02,320 --> 00:10:05,679 Speaker 1: are very often stories of gods visiting people, or angels 187 00:10:05,760 --> 00:10:10,640 Speaker 1: visiting people, or spirits visiting people disguised as strangers. Watch 188 00:10:10,760 --> 00:10:14,920 Speaker 1: very carefully for strangers. 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