1 00:00:06,040 --> 00:00:09,959 Speaker 1: Welcome into All Ball, the All Basketball Podcast Here on 2 00:00:10,039 --> 00:00:14,400 Speaker 1: the Heard Podcast Net. I'm Doug Gottlieb real quick, uh 3 00:00:14,440 --> 00:00:16,680 Speaker 1: distant reminders to listen to Doug Gotlik Show daily on 4 00:00:16,680 --> 00:00:19,279 Speaker 1: Fox Sports Tradeo from three to six Eastern Time and 5 00:00:19,400 --> 00:00:24,639 Speaker 1: twelve to three Pacific. What a story we have in 6 00:00:24,680 --> 00:00:29,120 Speaker 1: the NBA. Our long national nightmare is over. It's definitely 7 00:00:29,160 --> 00:00:32,600 Speaker 1: over because Kawhi Leonards no longer playing in this nation. 8 00:00:33,159 --> 00:00:38,400 Speaker 1: He's playing in Toronto. Um. Look, my initial blush is 9 00:00:38,680 --> 00:00:42,000 Speaker 1: deadlines bring deals. And though there was no hard, hard deadline, 10 00:00:42,520 --> 00:00:45,240 Speaker 1: there was the meeting that took place in San Diego 11 00:00:45,360 --> 00:00:48,520 Speaker 1: to which I've been told and most people believe. Greg 12 00:00:48,560 --> 00:00:54,240 Speaker 1: pop Fitch after hearing Kawhi Letard out said I'll trade you. 13 00:00:55,160 --> 00:00:56,920 Speaker 1: I can't tell you. We're been trade you. We're gonna 14 00:00:56,960 --> 00:01:02,120 Speaker 1: get the best deal possible. I'll trade you. Now. He 15 00:01:02,160 --> 00:01:05,680 Speaker 1: wants Kauai to play with USA Basketball. USA Basketball is 16 00:01:05,720 --> 00:01:08,520 Speaker 1: getting together in Vegas, so it had to be. He'd 17 00:01:08,560 --> 00:01:11,800 Speaker 1: like it to been done because otherwise, is Kawai gonna 18 00:01:11,800 --> 00:01:16,200 Speaker 1: put himself out there and play and be healthy If 19 00:01:16,240 --> 00:01:18,160 Speaker 1: he's on the trade block and he said to be 20 00:01:18,160 --> 00:01:20,280 Speaker 1: trade the answer is probably not in addition to the 21 00:01:20,319 --> 00:01:24,680 Speaker 1: idea of if he was traded somewhere that was not respectable, 22 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:27,119 Speaker 1: would he even suit up, would he play or would 23 00:01:27,120 --> 00:01:30,400 Speaker 1: he pretend to still be hurt. I don't think Kawhi 24 00:01:30,480 --> 00:01:33,479 Speaker 1: Leonard ever pretended to be hurt. I don't I don't 25 00:01:33,480 --> 00:01:35,479 Speaker 1: ever thought. I don't think he thought he was right. 26 00:01:35,880 --> 00:01:38,920 Speaker 1: I'm guessing if he plays now he does think he's right. 27 00:01:39,240 --> 00:01:46,440 Speaker 1: He absolutely does. But I think that actually san Antonio 28 00:01:46,520 --> 00:01:49,800 Speaker 1: did right by him and did right by themselves san Antonio. 29 00:01:49,880 --> 00:01:53,360 Speaker 1: What what they can only be accused of doing is 30 00:01:54,480 --> 00:01:59,559 Speaker 1: uh is overvaluing themselves on the market and potentially chasing 31 00:01:59,600 --> 00:02:03,040 Speaker 1: the market. You know, their list price initially was ridiculous, 32 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:08,440 Speaker 1: you know, Kuzma Ingram Heart picks, picks picks, and then 33 00:02:08,480 --> 00:02:12,320 Speaker 1: they wanted even more. They wanted um They wanted a 34 00:02:12,360 --> 00:02:17,680 Speaker 1: similar sort of bounty from teams like Philadelphia. But the 35 00:02:17,720 --> 00:02:19,560 Speaker 1: other reports that we had heard was, hey, if you 36 00:02:19,560 --> 00:02:21,519 Speaker 1: can get us the top twenty player in the NBA, 37 00:02:22,280 --> 00:02:24,360 Speaker 1: wim of Kawa is lit for you. And that's what 38 00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:27,480 Speaker 1: they got into. Martin Rosen. I don't love de Rosen's 39 00:02:27,520 --> 00:02:29,880 Speaker 1: ability to shoot the three. I don't love the fact 40 00:02:29,919 --> 00:02:33,119 Speaker 1: that he disappeared against the Cleveland Cavaliers. But I've seen 41 00:02:33,520 --> 00:02:36,959 Speaker 1: Martin Rosen take over an NBA game, absolutely take over. 42 00:02:37,919 --> 00:02:41,600 Speaker 1: And while Toronto looks like bad guys because they said 43 00:02:41,600 --> 00:02:43,919 Speaker 1: initially they weren't going to trade him, if you had to, 44 00:02:43,960 --> 00:02:46,560 Speaker 1: Martin rose and you can trade him for Kawhi Leonards 45 00:02:46,560 --> 00:02:48,560 Speaker 1: and oh yeah, by the way, get Danny Green as 46 00:02:48,600 --> 00:02:52,200 Speaker 1: an ancillary piece. You make that deal. To me, it 47 00:02:52,280 --> 00:02:54,880 Speaker 1: comes down to timelines. Toronto's timeline is we gotta win. 48 00:02:54,919 --> 00:02:57,040 Speaker 1: We gotta win now. If it doesn't happen this year 49 00:02:57,040 --> 00:02:59,680 Speaker 1: with no Lebron in the East, it's never gonna happen 50 00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:02,000 Speaker 1: with this group, and we got to rethink things. So 51 00:03:02,480 --> 00:03:05,800 Speaker 1: you go all in. You go all in, just like 52 00:03:05,800 --> 00:03:07,680 Speaker 1: when you're in poker. When you go all in in poker, 53 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:09,880 Speaker 1: it doesn't mean you've got a great hand. It just 54 00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:12,520 Speaker 1: means that at some point in time, we gotta go 55 00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:16,760 Speaker 1: all in now because everybody else's hand might not be great, 56 00:03:17,080 --> 00:03:19,400 Speaker 1: and it might be just good enough hand to win 57 00:03:19,520 --> 00:03:22,040 Speaker 1: this thing or to get to an NBA finals, and 58 00:03:22,040 --> 00:03:24,600 Speaker 1: then maybe you get quite a come back, or maybe 59 00:03:24,600 --> 00:03:28,679 Speaker 1: you don't. You move all your pieces. As for the Spurs, 60 00:03:29,440 --> 00:03:33,560 Speaker 1: does de Rosan fit their their championship mold. Probably not, 61 00:03:34,080 --> 00:03:36,600 Speaker 1: But now that is the Marcus Aldridge Aldrich scores in 62 00:03:36,600 --> 00:03:39,520 Speaker 1: the post that's not really needed anymore and mard Rozen 63 00:03:39,560 --> 00:03:42,240 Speaker 1: scores in the mid range that's not really desired anymore either. 64 00:03:43,760 --> 00:03:46,119 Speaker 1: But San Antonio Spurs will once again find a way 65 00:03:46,160 --> 00:03:49,160 Speaker 1: to remain competitive for a longer period of time than 66 00:03:49,200 --> 00:03:54,240 Speaker 1: anybody's remained competitive in recent NBA history. As for the Lakers, 67 00:03:54,600 --> 00:03:57,440 Speaker 1: I think they're fine. Look at Josh Hart and his 68 00:03:57,520 --> 00:04:00,240 Speaker 1: value and how much that skyrocketed winning the Summer agam 69 00:04:00,320 --> 00:04:02,120 Speaker 1: v P. And it wasn't like he was the Summer 70 00:04:02,160 --> 00:04:05,160 Speaker 1: League MVP because his team won. He was the best 71 00:04:05,200 --> 00:04:08,960 Speaker 1: player in Summer league. A. Lonzo will be better, Ingram 72 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:11,760 Speaker 1: should be better, Kuzma should be better, and oh yeah, 73 00:04:11,800 --> 00:04:14,320 Speaker 1: by the way, Lebron will help them be even better. 74 00:04:14,800 --> 00:04:16,600 Speaker 1: I like that the Lakers are gonna take this year 75 00:04:16,600 --> 00:04:18,240 Speaker 1: to figure out what they got and what they want 76 00:04:18,240 --> 00:04:21,400 Speaker 1: to add. It's just not quite letter right now. Let 77 00:04:21,400 --> 00:04:24,960 Speaker 1: me give you one kind of recruiting college basketball thought. 78 00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:27,440 Speaker 1: I've been you go back a year ago, and if 79 00:04:27,440 --> 00:04:29,600 Speaker 1: you follow me on Twitter, I've been a huge proponent 80 00:04:29,600 --> 00:04:31,279 Speaker 1: of coal Anthony being the number one player in the 81 00:04:31,279 --> 00:04:33,560 Speaker 1: class of two, doesn't where he's gonna go to high 82 00:04:33,560 --> 00:04:37,960 Speaker 1: school next year. It's Greg Anthony's son um. And and 83 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:40,600 Speaker 1: here's what's what's fascinating about Cole Anthony. I've talked to a 84 00:04:40,560 --> 00:04:42,159 Speaker 1: a lot of NBA players about this is how do 85 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:48,560 Speaker 1: I how do I give my kid a better life 86 00:04:48,560 --> 00:04:51,160 Speaker 1: than I've lived, Teach him all that I know about 87 00:04:51,160 --> 00:04:53,840 Speaker 1: the sport that I love, and on the other hand, 88 00:04:54,360 --> 00:04:58,440 Speaker 1: create kind of the hunger and toughness that I had 89 00:04:58,480 --> 00:05:01,120 Speaker 1: in order to get to this point. And the guy 90 00:05:01,240 --> 00:05:05,960 Speaker 1: that somehow has been able to achieve that is Cole Anthony. 91 00:05:06,400 --> 00:05:09,839 Speaker 1: Cole Anthony has an astoness to him to which nastiness 92 00:05:09,920 --> 00:05:13,279 Speaker 1: and competitive streak to him, which I love and is 93 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:16,480 Speaker 1: needed and is missing. Asking these former NBA players, and 94 00:05:16,520 --> 00:05:19,279 Speaker 1: I'll tell you, like my kids too nice. My kid 95 00:05:19,279 --> 00:05:20,880 Speaker 1: went to a private school. My kid grew up in 96 00:05:20,880 --> 00:05:23,800 Speaker 1: a great neighborhood. My kid is and Cole Anthony has 97 00:05:24,560 --> 00:05:26,960 Speaker 1: um you know, growing up in New York City, kind 98 00:05:26,960 --> 00:05:30,440 Speaker 1: of has that chip on his shoulder and will just 99 00:05:30,560 --> 00:05:33,039 Speaker 1: attack you and try and tear your heart out and 100 00:05:33,080 --> 00:05:37,000 Speaker 1: feed it to you for lunch. He's incredible, incredible, he's 101 00:05:37,040 --> 00:05:39,719 Speaker 1: bigger than his dad. UM needs to improve his shooting, 102 00:05:39,720 --> 00:05:42,280 Speaker 1: but a better shooter than than his dad was. UM. 103 00:05:42,360 --> 00:05:44,360 Speaker 1: I don't know if he's as good a defender as 104 00:05:44,400 --> 00:05:47,039 Speaker 1: his dad was a great defender, but he can pass, 105 00:05:47,120 --> 00:05:49,160 Speaker 1: he can dunk on, you can score, he can lead, 106 00:05:49,680 --> 00:05:51,600 Speaker 1: he can win, and he is tougher than a two 107 00:05:51,680 --> 00:05:55,120 Speaker 1: dollar steak. I know there are other guys in two 108 00:05:55,120 --> 00:05:58,039 Speaker 1: thousand nineteen competing with him for best in class, but 109 00:05:58,160 --> 00:06:01,560 Speaker 1: being a point guard, having that sort of pedigree and 110 00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:05,600 Speaker 1: having the toughness that so many with that pedigree, lack boy. 111 00:06:05,640 --> 00:06:10,120 Speaker 1: Whoever gets him is absolutely gonna love him alright. Last 112 00:06:10,120 --> 00:06:11,880 Speaker 1: thing before we get to some of the interviews here 113 00:06:11,920 --> 00:06:15,000 Speaker 1: on the All Ball Podcast is the potential for a 114 00:06:15,120 --> 00:06:20,280 Speaker 1: rules change in college basketball high school basketball in terms 115 00:06:20,320 --> 00:06:23,000 Speaker 1: of recruiting, and whether or not the n c A 116 00:06:23,080 --> 00:06:25,560 Speaker 1: will have the NBA and NBA G League runs some 117 00:06:25,560 --> 00:06:29,520 Speaker 1: of these camps for them. PEGM took place last week. 118 00:06:29,600 --> 00:06:32,520 Speaker 1: Team Takeover one it they'd beat Team why Not and 119 00:06:32,560 --> 00:06:36,359 Speaker 1: it was a great celebration of basketball. Victor Oladipo with 120 00:06:36,440 --> 00:06:39,480 Speaker 1: Team why Not, and of course Russell Westbrook, excuse me, 121 00:06:39,560 --> 00:06:42,159 Speaker 1: Russell Westbrook with Team why Not? And Victor Oladipo with 122 00:06:42,279 --> 00:06:45,080 Speaker 1: team takeover. The idea that so many of these and 123 00:06:45,120 --> 00:06:47,640 Speaker 1: I know they're Nike guys and Nike legends, but Nike 124 00:06:47,720 --> 00:06:50,720 Speaker 1: guys will show up and we'll give some of their 125 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:53,680 Speaker 1: money and some of their time to these kids who 126 00:06:53,839 --> 00:06:55,560 Speaker 1: you know, want to look and believe that one day 127 00:06:55,560 --> 00:06:57,599 Speaker 1: and somebody that Jim will be the next Kevin Garnett, 128 00:06:57,640 --> 00:06:59,839 Speaker 1: will be that Kevin Durant was there, will be the 129 00:06:59,839 --> 00:07:01,919 Speaker 1: next to Russell Westbrook will be the next victory of 130 00:07:01,920 --> 00:07:06,160 Speaker 1: the depot. I think speaks well for where basketball is, uh, 131 00:07:06,320 --> 00:07:10,000 Speaker 1: the part I would be really cautious of if I 132 00:07:10,040 --> 00:07:13,120 Speaker 1: was the n c A and I'm not as sensitive 133 00:07:13,160 --> 00:07:15,760 Speaker 1: to peach Jam because look, when when I played, we 134 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:19,080 Speaker 1: didn't have Peach Jam. We had AU tournaments or there 135 00:07:19,120 --> 00:07:22,000 Speaker 1: was the AU National Championship, which nobody went to on 136 00:07:22,040 --> 00:07:24,360 Speaker 1: the West Coast. The West Coast, we always did Vegas 137 00:07:24,440 --> 00:07:28,040 Speaker 1: and Phoenix, and there would be Riverside Church would come 138 00:07:28,040 --> 00:07:29,920 Speaker 1: out from New York, the Gauchos would come out from 139 00:07:29,960 --> 00:07:33,320 Speaker 1: from New York. You get teams from Utah, Nebraska and 140 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:38,360 Speaker 1: all over the country. And then that was after ABC 141 00:07:38,480 --> 00:07:40,440 Speaker 1: D Camp and there was a B c D, which 142 00:07:40,480 --> 00:07:43,920 Speaker 1: was Princeton abc D which became Converse abc D, and 143 00:07:44,040 --> 00:07:45,760 Speaker 1: Nike had their own camp and then it was Adidas 144 00:07:45,800 --> 00:07:48,440 Speaker 1: abc D. We've done the camp thing, We've done the 145 00:07:48,480 --> 00:07:52,040 Speaker 1: tournament thing. I do think the one thing that the 146 00:07:52,080 --> 00:07:55,400 Speaker 1: E y b L has is they have a competitive 147 00:07:55,440 --> 00:08:00,160 Speaker 1: spring structure. They have pretty darn good coaching and the 148 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:02,280 Speaker 1: end of the day, you have to win something in 149 00:08:02,400 --> 00:08:05,480 Speaker 1: order to achieve the right amount of acclaim, whereas some 150 00:08:05,560 --> 00:08:09,360 Speaker 1: of these other events now are no longer true tournament forms. 151 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:12,520 Speaker 1: They have to guarantee you games or your teams won't 152 00:08:12,520 --> 00:08:14,880 Speaker 1: play in their event, and they're just kind of made 153 00:08:14,920 --> 00:08:17,679 Speaker 1: for TV. You lose, you don't care as much as 154 00:08:17,880 --> 00:08:20,800 Speaker 1: we cared. I remember losing in Vegas. Every time we 155 00:08:20,840 --> 00:08:22,640 Speaker 1: lost in Vegas, I remember I we never never won 156 00:08:22,680 --> 00:08:26,840 Speaker 1: the championship. We lost to be ABC. I think in 157 00:08:26,840 --> 00:08:30,280 Speaker 1: the finals my senior year, Um, we lost to a 158 00:08:30,320 --> 00:08:35,080 Speaker 1: Nebraska team. My junior year, you know, I think we 159 00:08:35,160 --> 00:08:38,880 Speaker 1: lost to a team from Pennsylvania with Pete Less City 160 00:08:40,080 --> 00:08:43,199 Speaker 1: my sophomore freshman or sophomore year. Like, I remember those 161 00:08:43,240 --> 00:08:48,440 Speaker 1: losses more than any of the wins. And I do 162 00:08:48,520 --> 00:08:50,080 Speaker 1: think that the one thing you've got to be cautious 163 00:08:50,120 --> 00:08:52,440 Speaker 1: of with true camps. And I think, what what old 164 00:08:52,520 --> 00:08:55,840 Speaker 1: school people whatever that came that commission came up with, 165 00:08:56,080 --> 00:08:59,080 Speaker 1: is this kind of idealistic Hey, we'll have the old 166 00:08:59,120 --> 00:09:03,319 Speaker 1: five star, will have stations and this is needed. Truly 167 00:09:03,440 --> 00:09:05,920 Speaker 1: teaching is needed. But some of that exists with the 168 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:08,520 Speaker 1: Nike Skills Academy, some of that exists with some of 169 00:09:08,520 --> 00:09:13,560 Speaker 1: these other events and other camps. It's it's not it's 170 00:09:13,559 --> 00:09:18,640 Speaker 1: not perfect in any way, UM, but in completely tearing 171 00:09:18,640 --> 00:09:22,520 Speaker 1: apart the system that's taking place, especially the good, like 172 00:09:22,600 --> 00:09:25,440 Speaker 1: take some of the good out of it. True shoe 173 00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:31,440 Speaker 1: companies UH can push guys in the direction of their 174 00:09:31,480 --> 00:09:36,119 Speaker 1: representative schools, and that's not supposed to be what Showcase 175 00:09:36,160 --> 00:09:39,200 Speaker 1: basketball is about. AU basketball is about teaching kids the 176 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:42,240 Speaker 1: game while getting them opportunities to play in college. There 177 00:09:42,280 --> 00:09:44,440 Speaker 1: are some events which are really good. There are some 178 00:09:44,480 --> 00:09:46,359 Speaker 1: events that are bad, and you have to be judicious 179 00:09:46,360 --> 00:09:50,319 Speaker 1: with striking things down with one rule. Now, the caution 180 00:09:50,360 --> 00:09:52,480 Speaker 1: to people who believe pech GM is the end all 181 00:09:52,520 --> 00:09:54,960 Speaker 1: be all and if it goes away, all is good 182 00:09:54,960 --> 00:09:57,160 Speaker 1: that goes away in the summer. My point is only 183 00:09:57,200 --> 00:09:59,760 Speaker 1: that PHM has not been forever there will be some 184 00:09:59,840 --> 00:10:01,480 Speaker 1: of their event, there will be some other way to 185 00:10:01,520 --> 00:10:07,040 Speaker 1: do it. And while uh basketball coaches wouldn't be able 186 00:10:07,080 --> 00:10:10,680 Speaker 1: to a college basketball coaches wouldn't be able to attend 187 00:10:11,800 --> 00:10:16,280 Speaker 1: events during a live period. And can't you just be 188 00:10:16,400 --> 00:10:18,960 Speaker 1: virtually there? I mean, wouldn't it just be about things 189 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:22,160 Speaker 1: being televised or is there is there a loophole to 190 00:10:22,200 --> 00:10:25,600 Speaker 1: which college basketball coaches could be like in a viewing 191 00:10:25,720 --> 00:10:28,920 Speaker 1: room next door. They've always found a way to go 192 00:10:28,960 --> 00:10:31,520 Speaker 1: around the rules. They've always found a way to see 193 00:10:31,559 --> 00:10:33,360 Speaker 1: the kids. The kids for the most part, the good 194 00:10:33,440 --> 00:10:35,560 Speaker 1: ones have been seen. One or two follow through the cracks. 195 00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:38,120 Speaker 1: And so I don't think it's an arm Again, if 196 00:10:38,679 --> 00:10:41,640 Speaker 1: these rules which were suggested are enacted again, that doesn't 197 00:10:41,640 --> 00:10:44,160 Speaker 1: mean I think it's a good idea. Um. I just 198 00:10:44,200 --> 00:10:47,319 Speaker 1: think there has to be things within reason. There should 199 00:10:47,400 --> 00:10:51,080 Speaker 1: be more coaching, more teaching. It should be more about 200 00:10:51,160 --> 00:10:54,240 Speaker 1: winning games than it is about showcasing players. On the 201 00:10:54,280 --> 00:10:56,520 Speaker 1: other hand, you want to showcase guys. You want to 202 00:10:56,520 --> 00:10:58,959 Speaker 1: give guys as many opportunities to be seen as humanly 203 00:10:59,040 --> 00:11:01,800 Speaker 1: possible so that fewer and fewer slipped through the cracks. 204 00:11:01,960 --> 00:11:04,360 Speaker 1: And you want to see the East versus the West, 205 00:11:04,400 --> 00:11:06,080 Speaker 1: and the North versus the South. You want to see 206 00:11:06,120 --> 00:11:09,440 Speaker 1: competitive basketball, So did you get a sense, you know, 207 00:11:09,720 --> 00:11:12,679 Speaker 1: instead of watching film, we're watching kids compete against his 208 00:11:12,720 --> 00:11:14,760 Speaker 1: high school team or is AU team? What it looks 209 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:19,200 Speaker 1: like against the other kids are let's buck come in 210 00:11:19,320 --> 00:11:22,480 Speaker 1: from the athletic Ethan Strouss. He joins us here in 211 00:11:22,520 --> 00:11:26,719 Speaker 1: the All Ball podcast, and Ethan, let me ask you 212 00:11:26,720 --> 00:11:31,640 Speaker 1: your reaction to the quiet Leonard to mar de Rosen trade. Yeah. Well, 213 00:11:31,640 --> 00:11:34,560 Speaker 1: the first action, like much of the basketball intelligentia, is 214 00:11:34,600 --> 00:11:37,760 Speaker 1: that it seems like a good deal for the Raptors 215 00:11:37,880 --> 00:11:40,480 Speaker 1: and uh less of a great deal for the Spurs. 216 00:11:40,520 --> 00:11:42,440 Speaker 1: And then that gives me a pause, because sometimes we're 217 00:11:42,480 --> 00:11:45,360 Speaker 1: just wrong about saying, you know, especially when we when 218 00:11:45,360 --> 00:11:47,600 Speaker 1: we all agree, that can tend to have. And remember 219 00:11:47,600 --> 00:11:50,720 Speaker 1: when the Paul George trade was one of the Pacers 220 00:11:50,760 --> 00:11:53,440 Speaker 1: got flattered in if if memory serves, I mean, that 221 00:11:53,600 --> 00:11:56,000 Speaker 1: was the contentsist and now now look at it, look 222 00:11:56,040 --> 00:11:59,200 Speaker 1: at Oladipo. So um, I don't love it for the 223 00:11:59,240 --> 00:12:02,480 Speaker 1: Spurs in a vacuum, I don't, But I also didn't 224 00:12:02,480 --> 00:12:04,640 Speaker 1: think that LaMarcus Aldred was really good for them, and 225 00:12:04,640 --> 00:12:06,440 Speaker 1: he had quite a good season last season, so I 226 00:12:06,480 --> 00:12:08,079 Speaker 1: just wonder if they look at the Martyr Rose and 227 00:12:08,440 --> 00:12:10,720 Speaker 1: they see that he does something that has fallen out 228 00:12:10,720 --> 00:12:13,000 Speaker 1: of fever in the mid rate jumper as LaMarcus didn't 229 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:15,480 Speaker 1: feel as though they can leverage that in the better 230 00:12:15,520 --> 00:12:18,480 Speaker 1: shots and that they know what they're doing. So I 231 00:12:18,559 --> 00:12:21,160 Speaker 1: had to guess a great deal for the Wraps. But 232 00:12:21,440 --> 00:12:25,319 Speaker 1: I I'm still a little little little suspicious that maybe 233 00:12:25,360 --> 00:12:28,880 Speaker 1: the Spurs pulled off something there. I um, look, I 234 00:12:30,280 --> 00:12:32,440 Speaker 1: let's start with the Spurs side. I do think they 235 00:12:32,440 --> 00:12:34,960 Speaker 1: were asking for too much and they chased the market 236 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:37,680 Speaker 1: away a little bit, right they You just you just 237 00:12:37,720 --> 00:12:41,120 Speaker 1: start asking for like listen, we'll we'll think about Ingram 238 00:12:41,200 --> 00:12:45,080 Speaker 1: or Kuzma, but Ingram and Kuzma and uh, you know, 239 00:12:45,200 --> 00:12:47,040 Speaker 1: and then you start going through and you're like, well, 240 00:12:47,080 --> 00:12:49,760 Speaker 1: we want Josh Hard of course, and obviously the Lakers 241 00:12:50,040 --> 00:12:51,679 Speaker 1: had to know something about I don't know if they 242 00:12:51,720 --> 00:12:53,679 Speaker 1: knew he would perform as well at some releg as 243 00:12:53,679 --> 00:12:56,640 Speaker 1: he performed, but they really really like Josh Hart for 244 00:12:56,640 --> 00:12:58,600 Speaker 1: as much of their culture as much as anything else. 245 00:12:58,880 --> 00:13:00,640 Speaker 1: And then you start talking about because I just I 246 00:13:00,679 --> 00:13:02,360 Speaker 1: feel like they were asking for the Moon, the stars 247 00:13:02,360 --> 00:13:05,040 Speaker 1: in the sun, and most of the league sitting there going, hey, 248 00:13:05,080 --> 00:13:08,280 Speaker 1: you kind of got a depreciating asset there. Whereas the 249 00:13:08,360 --> 00:13:10,920 Speaker 1: Raptors did want to get out of that deal. There 250 00:13:10,920 --> 00:13:14,200 Speaker 1: are some limitations to derosan. I actually think San Antonio 251 00:13:14,320 --> 00:13:17,720 Speaker 1: did well with all things considered. It's just are you 252 00:13:17,840 --> 00:13:20,280 Speaker 1: closer that much closer to winning a championship when you 253 00:13:20,320 --> 00:13:24,120 Speaker 1: have two players who are kind of players from a 254 00:13:24,120 --> 00:13:27,160 Speaker 1: foregone era, right, like a post up a post up 255 00:13:27,160 --> 00:13:29,880 Speaker 1: big in Aldrich and a mid range pull up guy 256 00:13:30,320 --> 00:13:33,839 Speaker 1: in DeMar de Rosen. If this was you'd be great, 257 00:13:33,920 --> 00:13:37,360 Speaker 1: but it's not. It's two thousand nineteen, and you know, 258 00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:40,880 Speaker 1: you save face, but it's not like we're gonna pencil 259 00:13:41,280 --> 00:13:45,040 Speaker 1: the Spurs in as a championship contender. Is that fair? Yeah? 260 00:13:45,080 --> 00:13:46,840 Speaker 1: And as the side, doesn't it feel as though they 261 00:13:46,880 --> 00:13:49,800 Speaker 1: never really respected Danny Green for all he did for them. 262 00:13:50,040 --> 00:13:52,560 Speaker 1: Just I don't know what's up with that. It seems 263 00:13:52,600 --> 00:13:55,199 Speaker 1: that that was always the guy that popped with yell 264 00:13:55,280 --> 00:13:58,600 Speaker 1: at and scream at. And I know that last season 265 00:13:58,720 --> 00:14:02,199 Speaker 1: wasn't a great season him and maybe maybe he's fallen off, 266 00:14:02,440 --> 00:14:05,480 Speaker 1: and but he seems like somebody who could provide good 267 00:14:05,520 --> 00:14:08,520 Speaker 1: value for a team, and so that's that's not a 268 00:14:08,520 --> 00:14:10,600 Speaker 1: bad that's not a bad piece at all for for 269 00:14:10,640 --> 00:14:13,600 Speaker 1: the Rappers. I will say this if I'm I'm trying 270 00:14:13,679 --> 00:14:16,960 Speaker 1: to Devil's advocate, the position of maybe the Raptors aren't 271 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:18,640 Speaker 1: going to be as impressed, aren't going to be as 272 00:14:18,640 --> 00:14:21,040 Speaker 1: happy as how this all goes. They've invited a lot 273 00:14:21,080 --> 00:14:24,480 Speaker 1: of drama into their team and it's all based on 274 00:14:24,520 --> 00:14:26,520 Speaker 1: this this this kind of that, you know, in a 275 00:14:26,560 --> 00:14:28,880 Speaker 1: funny way, this isn't even basketball analysis. This is more 276 00:14:28,920 --> 00:14:32,520 Speaker 1: of a look at how the culture of a city 277 00:14:32,760 --> 00:14:35,480 Speaker 1: and how it changes in its self assessment. Canada has 278 00:14:35,480 --> 00:14:37,400 Speaker 1: always had a little bit of that little Brother syndrome, 279 00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:40,080 Speaker 1: and they've got that insecurity that Vince Carter is so 280 00:14:40,080 --> 00:14:43,360 Speaker 1: so pressed on when he when he actually it out 281 00:14:43,360 --> 00:14:44,720 Speaker 1: of there in the way that he did it. But 282 00:14:44,800 --> 00:14:48,600 Speaker 1: now they're riding high. Now Toronto is cool. Now Drake 283 00:14:48,680 --> 00:14:50,600 Speaker 1: has given it a little bit of verve, and now 284 00:14:50,640 --> 00:14:52,720 Speaker 1: they think they're the city that if you come here 285 00:14:53,040 --> 00:14:55,040 Speaker 1: you might not know it's great, but my you know, 286 00:14:55,120 --> 00:14:57,000 Speaker 1: my god, you're going to be so impressed and you're 287 00:14:57,040 --> 00:14:59,080 Speaker 1: not going to leave. I don't know if that's going 288 00:14:59,160 --> 00:15:01,400 Speaker 1: to happen as somebody from and you can also have 289 00:15:01,440 --> 00:15:03,880 Speaker 1: this perspective as well as somebody who also grew up 290 00:15:03,880 --> 00:15:06,360 Speaker 1: in southern California. You can show me the law city 291 00:15:06,400 --> 00:15:08,560 Speaker 1: of Atlantic and you told me that it gets the 292 00:15:08,640 --> 00:15:11,440 Speaker 1: thirty below. I'm not going back under my own polition. 293 00:15:12,840 --> 00:15:15,880 Speaker 1: I do NBA book. NBA players love Toronto though, right, 294 00:15:15,880 --> 00:15:17,840 Speaker 1: I mean, like I'm not speaking out of turn. They 295 00:15:17,840 --> 00:15:23,560 Speaker 1: love Toronto. And guy might be a different kind of guy. Correct. Anyway, 296 00:15:23,720 --> 00:15:25,880 Speaker 1: That's that's the part that people are missing there, Like 297 00:15:26,040 --> 00:15:29,040 Speaker 1: NBA guys love Toronto. They do, but he's not sure 298 00:15:29,160 --> 00:15:32,360 Speaker 1: normal NBA guy. And I would also say that there 299 00:15:32,440 --> 00:15:35,400 Speaker 1: is well, everyone's hitching their wagon to the Hey, you 300 00:15:35,440 --> 00:15:39,320 Speaker 1: know Paul George. Paul George said he was coming. Um. 301 00:15:39,360 --> 00:15:41,720 Speaker 1: The one thing that's interesting about the Paul George thing is, 302 00:15:42,240 --> 00:15:45,080 Speaker 1: you know, Russell Westbrook was his best friend. They were 303 00:15:45,200 --> 00:15:47,480 Speaker 1: so close man leading up. Then he signs a new 304 00:15:47,520 --> 00:15:51,680 Speaker 1: deal and I fall Russell Westbrook on Instagram and I've 305 00:15:51,680 --> 00:15:53,920 Speaker 1: noticed that he continues to travel the world. I've also 306 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:56,560 Speaker 1: noticed Paul is not traveling with him. But they're like, 307 00:15:56,560 --> 00:16:00,560 Speaker 1: you are best friends to a point, so uh, you know, look, 308 00:16:00,920 --> 00:16:04,080 Speaker 1: I think Kauai ends up likely in Los Angeles, and 309 00:16:04,120 --> 00:16:06,600 Speaker 1: I think Toronto knows this, and they're willing to roll 310 00:16:06,680 --> 00:16:11,160 Speaker 1: the dice because on their kind of timeline, they gotta 311 00:16:11,200 --> 00:16:13,200 Speaker 1: win and win now, otherwise they canna blow that thing 312 00:16:13,240 --> 00:16:16,200 Speaker 1: up and start over. Anyway. Yeah, that's I don't want 313 00:16:16,240 --> 00:16:19,080 Speaker 1: to burst anybody's bubbles listening, but most NBA players are 314 00:16:19,120 --> 00:16:22,120 Speaker 1: not actually friends with one another. It's very similar to 315 00:16:22,280 --> 00:16:24,560 Speaker 1: when you go into the office and you see Gary 316 00:16:24,560 --> 00:16:27,720 Speaker 1: and the cubicle, and you you know, Gary's the Packers fans. 317 00:16:27,760 --> 00:16:29,920 Speaker 1: So maybe you go, oh, the Packers one, and then 318 00:16:29,960 --> 00:16:32,680 Speaker 1: you you know, that's that's about it, and that's the arrangement. 319 00:16:32,680 --> 00:16:35,000 Speaker 1: It's not you know, most of these guys aren't friends 320 00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:37,040 Speaker 1: and most of them aren't enemies. It's somewhere in between, 321 00:16:37,120 --> 00:16:40,680 Speaker 1: just looking any working en firement. But with Paul George, 322 00:16:40,720 --> 00:16:42,760 Speaker 1: I mean, I wonder if that was just taked by 323 00:16:42,840 --> 00:16:45,640 Speaker 1: his agent not having a great relationship with the Lakers 324 00:16:45,720 --> 00:16:48,600 Speaker 1: after what happened to Angela Russell. That was the stubble 325 00:16:48,640 --> 00:16:50,880 Speaker 1: bud coming out of the summer League, So that might 326 00:16:50,880 --> 00:16:54,880 Speaker 1: have been a special situation that isn't necessarily applicable to 327 00:16:54,960 --> 00:16:57,320 Speaker 1: the Kauai Leonard situation where it looks like you would 328 00:16:57,360 --> 00:16:59,440 Speaker 1: saw off his left left arm in order the good 329 00:16:59,480 --> 00:17:03,000 Speaker 1: Los angel Ethan Strouss joining us House of Strauss is 330 00:17:03,080 --> 00:17:06,159 Speaker 1: his podcast. It's a really really good when a smart 331 00:17:06,240 --> 00:17:08,679 Speaker 1: way at looking at the game. Uh, that that we 332 00:17:08,760 --> 00:17:10,720 Speaker 1: all love. I encourage you to download it. He's kind 333 00:17:10,720 --> 00:17:13,679 Speaker 1: of to join us here on the All Ball podcast. Um, 334 00:17:13,800 --> 00:17:18,240 Speaker 1: I'm Doug gottlieb Okay, so ah, what about Summer League? 335 00:17:18,320 --> 00:17:20,280 Speaker 1: I know you spend time there. I don't want to 336 00:17:20,320 --> 00:17:24,080 Speaker 1: go too crazy about it. Most people know Miles Simon 337 00:17:24,320 --> 00:17:27,000 Speaker 1: is my best friend in basketball. He did a great job. 338 00:17:27,160 --> 00:17:29,760 Speaker 1: He's done an incredible job helping these young players develop. 339 00:17:30,480 --> 00:17:33,479 Speaker 1: And I really think that people are starting to see 340 00:17:33,520 --> 00:17:37,640 Speaker 1: what the Lakers are building around Lebron James slowly kind 341 00:17:37,640 --> 00:17:41,240 Speaker 1: of morphin come together. Am I overvaluing what I saw 342 00:17:41,320 --> 00:17:44,359 Speaker 1: from Josh Hart and the assumption that others in the 343 00:17:44,400 --> 00:17:46,879 Speaker 1: Purple and Gold are going to improve, maybe not at 344 00:17:46,880 --> 00:17:50,320 Speaker 1: the exact same level, but at a similar level around him. 345 00:17:50,680 --> 00:17:54,000 Speaker 1: I don't know if you're overrated because they loved Josh 346 00:17:54,000 --> 00:17:58,040 Speaker 1: Harten Turtley and have loved Josh Harden. Maybe the thing 347 00:17:58,119 --> 00:18:01,320 Speaker 1: to um, maybe the negative be the downside is more 348 00:18:01,800 --> 00:18:05,560 Speaker 1: the organizational chaos is chaos is too strong word. I'm 349 00:18:05,560 --> 00:18:08,520 Speaker 1: not sure that this odd situation where Lebron effectively is 350 00:18:08,880 --> 00:18:12,040 Speaker 1: an agent as well as a superstar basketball player, where 351 00:18:12,200 --> 00:18:15,320 Speaker 1: the Lakers love Josh Hart. Okay, so they love Josh Hart, 352 00:18:15,440 --> 00:18:18,560 Speaker 1: then why would you give contagious call twelve million dollars 353 00:18:18,640 --> 00:18:20,840 Speaker 1: considering everything going to happen last year? I think we 354 00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:22,840 Speaker 1: all know why. I think we know it doesn't have 355 00:18:22,880 --> 00:18:25,359 Speaker 1: a lot to do with how well because he's play 356 00:18:25,400 --> 00:18:28,600 Speaker 1: of last year, right, because he's wrapped by Chris Paul, Right, 357 00:18:28,680 --> 00:18:30,720 Speaker 1: And you want to say that I didn't like it either, 358 00:18:31,400 --> 00:18:34,720 Speaker 1: and I know he was. They didn't love him, But 359 00:18:34,800 --> 00:18:38,000 Speaker 1: I think that's what that's about, right, Yeah, That's what 360 00:18:38,040 --> 00:18:41,320 Speaker 1: that's about it. And so I guess the question is 361 00:18:41,320 --> 00:18:43,960 Speaker 1: is that can you can you have things happen like 362 00:18:43,960 --> 00:18:46,879 Speaker 1: that on the margins and still be successful. You certainly 363 00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:49,560 Speaker 1: could in the past with Lebron and his full prime, 364 00:18:49,760 --> 00:18:51,760 Speaker 1: and it's why it's very difficult. I think it's le 365 00:18:51,840 --> 00:18:54,600 Speaker 1: brought anything because you can tell him that a lot 366 00:18:54,640 --> 00:18:56,480 Speaker 1: of the things you do with his teammates aren't the 367 00:18:56,480 --> 00:18:58,760 Speaker 1: best A lot of things you knew might be a 368 00:18:58,760 --> 00:19:02,560 Speaker 1: little destabilizing too, anganization, and he can point to absolutely 369 00:19:03,160 --> 00:19:05,880 Speaker 1: just a ruinous situation in Cleveland that he turned into 370 00:19:05,880 --> 00:19:09,240 Speaker 1: a championship. So I think it's difficult to tell him anything. 371 00:19:09,920 --> 00:19:12,359 Speaker 1: But I do wonder if, at this phase in his career, 372 00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:16,000 Speaker 1: um if it's if you can have things like that 373 00:19:16,080 --> 00:19:18,600 Speaker 1: continue to happen on the margin and have the level 374 00:19:18,600 --> 00:19:21,000 Speaker 1: of success that you want to have in a conference that, 375 00:19:21,119 --> 00:19:23,720 Speaker 1: let's face it is almost like an entirely different lead 376 00:19:24,080 --> 00:19:26,280 Speaker 1: than the East. It's almost like the East is triple 377 00:19:26,320 --> 00:19:28,480 Speaker 1: A and this is the Major's I don't know if 378 00:19:28,480 --> 00:19:31,359 Speaker 1: you can do that, and maybe you can, but I 379 00:19:31,640 --> 00:19:35,040 Speaker 1: have my suspicions. I have my reservation. I do I 380 00:19:35,160 --> 00:19:37,000 Speaker 1: do as well. What do you make of the Jimmy 381 00:19:37,000 --> 00:19:41,560 Speaker 1: Butler situation? I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't know. 382 00:19:41,800 --> 00:19:43,240 Speaker 1: I mean, is it is it fair just to not 383 00:19:43,320 --> 00:19:45,280 Speaker 1: have a good take on that one? Let's hear what? Okay? 384 00:19:45,280 --> 00:19:47,120 Speaker 1: This is now, this is not what you want from 385 00:19:47,119 --> 00:19:48,520 Speaker 1: a guest at all, But I'm going to ask you 386 00:19:48,560 --> 00:19:50,080 Speaker 1: for your take and maybe I'll riff on it. What 387 00:19:50,160 --> 00:19:52,359 Speaker 1: is your take on the Jimmy Butler situation. If I'm honest, 388 00:19:52,920 --> 00:19:54,920 Speaker 1: If I'm honest, all I really wanted to talk about 389 00:19:54,960 --> 00:19:57,560 Speaker 1: when I came on here was the war that you're 390 00:19:57,600 --> 00:20:01,879 Speaker 1: having on Twitter over this whole soccer US soccer player situation. 391 00:20:01,920 --> 00:20:04,959 Speaker 1: That was the conversation. Well, we'll get to that one. 392 00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:06,720 Speaker 1: We'll get to that in one second. I know it's all, 393 00:20:07,119 --> 00:20:10,720 Speaker 1: but but real, real quickly. And Jimmy Butler, I think 394 00:20:10,720 --> 00:20:14,240 Speaker 1: he knows those dudes, those aren't his kind of dudes. Um, 395 00:20:14,760 --> 00:20:17,280 Speaker 1: it's just not he's not buying into it. I think 396 00:20:17,320 --> 00:20:20,400 Speaker 1: he wants to be frankly in l a uh. If not, 397 00:20:20,520 --> 00:20:22,600 Speaker 1: he would find some other big market. But I think 398 00:20:22,600 --> 00:20:25,160 Speaker 1: he's tired of messing around with it. I think like 399 00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:27,600 Speaker 1: that guy's we talked about guys being wired differently. I 400 00:20:27,600 --> 00:20:30,159 Speaker 1: think Jimmy Butler is wired to where he wants a 401 00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:32,040 Speaker 1: chance to compete for the whole thing, and I just 402 00:20:32,080 --> 00:20:34,520 Speaker 1: don't think they he thinks they have it. Yeah, I 403 00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:36,760 Speaker 1: wonder if it's a bit of a referendum on cat 404 00:20:37,320 --> 00:20:40,800 Speaker 1: um and if that's a guy who so talented, so 405 00:20:40,880 --> 00:20:43,359 Speaker 1: much buzz we hyped him up. We instantly for a 406 00:20:43,440 --> 00:20:46,880 Speaker 1: second forgot about Anthony Davison. Made him the next guy, 407 00:20:46,920 --> 00:20:50,639 Speaker 1: and I just don't know defensively he's ever going to 408 00:20:50,720 --> 00:20:54,480 Speaker 1: be an impact player. And that's a big problem for 409 00:20:54,520 --> 00:20:59,280 Speaker 1: a big It is the responsibilities aren't evenly divided. More 410 00:20:59,320 --> 00:21:01,720 Speaker 1: of your response ability is defensive, the bigger you are 411 00:21:02,119 --> 00:21:05,520 Speaker 1: or the bigger position that you play. And I I 412 00:21:05,640 --> 00:21:08,119 Speaker 1: just wonder that's a bit of a referendum because if 413 00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:11,880 Speaker 1: he was somebody who fit the potential, I'm not sure 414 00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:15,280 Speaker 1: that you see that. And I I just that situation. 415 00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:17,960 Speaker 1: I don't think it's gone. It hasn't gone as well. 416 00:21:18,359 --> 00:21:21,439 Speaker 1: It's not going as well given the talent level. And 417 00:21:22,119 --> 00:21:26,240 Speaker 1: I wonder, I just wonder if Thibodeaux in his role 418 00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:29,840 Speaker 1: has has done everything he needs to do, I would agree, 419 00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:31,240 Speaker 1: and I agree with you, all right, let's get to 420 00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:33,199 Speaker 1: the let's get to the soccer thing. My assertion is 421 00:21:33,760 --> 00:21:36,679 Speaker 1: my my assertion is really really simple, and that I 422 00:21:36,800 --> 00:21:42,480 Speaker 1: understand there are other issues with US soccer, completely understand um. 423 00:21:42,520 --> 00:21:44,960 Speaker 1: But we also look, we live in a country with 424 00:21:45,160 --> 00:21:49,080 Speaker 1: incredible resources, not just financially but in terms of the 425 00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:53,919 Speaker 1: the volume of quality athletes. And because of football and 426 00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:57,919 Speaker 1: because of basketball, I think that the best players, the 427 00:21:57,920 --> 00:22:01,840 Speaker 1: best athletes all around athletes. And if people think of 428 00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:04,960 Speaker 1: athleticism may simply think of speed and jumping ability. There's 429 00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:07,959 Speaker 1: a lot more to it than that. Um. You know, 430 00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:11,520 Speaker 1: by and large, they all go away from soccer, whether 431 00:22:11,560 --> 00:22:13,520 Speaker 1: they have access to it when they're five or six 432 00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:16,840 Speaker 1: or not, or many of them do not. They don't 433 00:22:16,840 --> 00:22:19,560 Speaker 1: pick up a soccer ball. And if they were to, 434 00:22:19,720 --> 00:22:21,880 Speaker 1: if we were to create a way in which it 435 00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:26,000 Speaker 1: was cool to play soccer growing up, then I think 436 00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:28,959 Speaker 1: we would dominate because we have just go look at 437 00:22:29,080 --> 00:22:32,560 Speaker 1: I mean, take a look at your favorite incredible athlete 438 00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:34,960 Speaker 1: in basketball. You mean to tell me that Russell Westbrook 439 00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:36,760 Speaker 1: wouldn't be a great soccer player had he played it 440 00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:40,200 Speaker 1: from a young age. Um, if if the size, if 441 00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:43,399 Speaker 1: the size of Lebron James, Like, well, there's no not 442 00:22:43,560 --> 00:22:46,080 Speaker 1: that kind of athlete. Not think there's no six seven 443 00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:48,800 Speaker 1: guys playing soccer. Okay, that's fine. Like if you want 444 00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:50,720 Speaker 1: to keep this to a six ft four or below, 445 00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:53,520 Speaker 1: just look at the guards and the Patrick Beverley's and 446 00:22:53,560 --> 00:22:57,119 Speaker 1: the Nate Robinson's of the world. These freak athletes that 447 00:22:57,280 --> 00:23:02,200 Speaker 1: choose to play basketball or football above soccer. Until we 448 00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:05,520 Speaker 1: change that, we're always going to be dealing with you 449 00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:08,520 Speaker 1: mentioned j V versus varsity. That's really what it is. 450 00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:11,000 Speaker 1: Whereas the best athletes in these other countries, they grew 451 00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:13,600 Speaker 1: up playing soccer and then maybe they grow too big 452 00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:15,520 Speaker 1: and they have to become basketball players. It works the 453 00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:18,720 Speaker 1: opposite way. So I agree with you in the macro. 454 00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:20,359 Speaker 1: But I think one of the reasons why you're getting 455 00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:24,560 Speaker 1: the push factor getting despite regular soccer snobbery, which can 456 00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:29,160 Speaker 1: be obnoxious, UM, is that it's not necessarily always completely 457 00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:33,439 Speaker 1: translatable and all about athleticism. And you know this idea 458 00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:36,560 Speaker 1: that we take a really athletic guy, I mean we 459 00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:38,760 Speaker 1: have him in a soccer context, he might not have 460 00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:43,680 Speaker 1: the foot coordination because that specific skill set UM, that 461 00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:47,160 Speaker 1: would be necessary to dominated as a soccer player. So 462 00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:49,199 Speaker 1: I think that you are right. I think of the 463 00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:52,000 Speaker 1: country of our size, with our resources, if we were 464 00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:54,040 Speaker 1: actually devoted to it, if you're actually committed to do it, 465 00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:56,400 Speaker 1: if we have the pipeline that you're talking about, then 466 00:23:56,480 --> 00:23:59,719 Speaker 1: yes we would dominate, um. But we would also need 467 00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:02,080 Speaker 1: is to be trained in that specific skill set. You know. 468 00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:04,359 Speaker 1: It reminds me a little bit of how football snobs 469 00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:06,400 Speaker 1: will get angry when people would say that Lebron could 470 00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:08,760 Speaker 1: have dominated as a tight end and they would say, Oh, 471 00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:11,199 Speaker 1: if you don't understand the intricatees of blah blah bla, 472 00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:14,760 Speaker 1: you would have dominated. But that's or they say, like, 473 00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:16,240 Speaker 1: you know, he's a basketball guy. He doesn't want to 474 00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:20,439 Speaker 1: take contact. Like here's the thing. What wide receiver goes like? 475 00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:21,840 Speaker 1: You know, I can't wait, I can't wait to get 476 00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:27,000 Speaker 1: ear hold. You know that doesn't doesn't exist. He's six 477 00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:30,560 Speaker 1: ft seven two hundred sixty pounds six two d sixty pounds, 478 00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:33,200 Speaker 1: Like I think it's a tight end wide receiver, he'd 479 00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:35,879 Speaker 1: be Okay, do I think he wants to get your hold? No, 480 00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:38,440 Speaker 1: I don't think anybody wants to get your hold quite 481 00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:44,000 Speaker 1: quite frankly, No, so and and you're right right, and 482 00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:47,359 Speaker 1: and you're and you're right. There are things about soccer 483 00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:50,359 Speaker 1: that you have to play to learn. But I also 484 00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:54,920 Speaker 1: think that we're under selling the level of intelligence, spatial recognition, 485 00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:58,720 Speaker 1: how to you know, also how you move your hips, 486 00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:02,280 Speaker 1: how you move your feet. The great basketball players, great 487 00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:08,760 Speaker 1: football cornerbacks. Wide receivers have incredible feet, incredible feat a 488 00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:11,119 Speaker 1: matter of fact, if you ask NB, I guess like 489 00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:13,800 Speaker 1: one of the reasons that the Lakers weren't high on 490 00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:18,760 Speaker 1: Julius Randall, even after having his best statistical career as 491 00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:21,600 Speaker 1: a pro. Is like he just has he just has 492 00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:25,280 Speaker 1: really bad footwork that they've they're trying. They tried all 493 00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:27,880 Speaker 1: season desperately to kind of fix, but you can only 494 00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:31,159 Speaker 1: clean up so much. And so the idea isn't just like, hey, 495 00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:34,120 Speaker 1: we got more speechs. Look and Bob Ay. I understand 496 00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:35,720 Speaker 1: he has a lot of skill, but a lot of 497 00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:38,120 Speaker 1: what he was able to do is just pure raw 498 00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:41,560 Speaker 1: speed quickness that so few have. And I do think 499 00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:45,360 Speaker 1: that we have hundreds, if not thousands of those caliber 500 00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:48,520 Speaker 1: athletes that are being developed in other sports and they're 501 00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:52,280 Speaker 1: not being developed in soccer. I would generally agree with that. 502 00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:55,320 Speaker 1: I would, And I'm reminded how much Jerry West, when 503 00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:58,240 Speaker 1: he was at the Warriors, was frustrated with Harrison Barnes, 504 00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:01,359 Speaker 1: who's foot work and that was constant lamentum is And 505 00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:04,119 Speaker 1: that is an aspect that can take you from a 506 00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:06,600 Speaker 1: pretty good NBA player maybe something a little bit better. 507 00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:09,640 Speaker 1: So I agree. I think people, for whatever reason, blanche 508 00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:12,480 Speaker 1: at the idea that a lot of what what what's 509 00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:15,760 Speaker 1: good in sports is translatable. I don't know why. We 510 00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:18,159 Speaker 1: could come up with various theories as to why, but 511 00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:20,840 Speaker 1: I think they want to feel as though their sport 512 00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:24,160 Speaker 1: is very, very special, and maybe that's what you're bumping 513 00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:26,680 Speaker 1: up against is. And then you're also bumping up against 514 00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:29,200 Speaker 1: the idea that oh of you know, ugly American, arrogant 515 00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:32,280 Speaker 1: American blah blah blah blah blah. But I'm mostly with you. 516 00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:34,720 Speaker 1: It's very uh. For whatever reason, I was just so 517 00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:37,240 Speaker 1: amused to see it become such a fight in people 518 00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:40,840 Speaker 1: to be so so passionate about this, this hypothetical, and 519 00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:44,200 Speaker 1: I enjoy it. I love conversations like the last last thing, 520 00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:47,960 Speaker 1: and then we gotta run. Um sure, okay, So now 521 00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:50,680 Speaker 1: the East. Let's say assume Kauai place, because I don't 522 00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:53,320 Speaker 1: think you can sit for two straight years rank the 523 00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:58,760 Speaker 1: East as quickly as you can. These are such tough questions. 524 00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:01,639 Speaker 1: I think I would go, Oh, that's top. I mean, 525 00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:05,760 Speaker 1: I just flipped Boston and Philly in my mind. You know, 526 00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:09,400 Speaker 1: I struggle. I struggle with both of those. I guess 527 00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:12,960 Speaker 1: I'm gonna go Philly based on talent. I'll go Boston, 528 00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:18,000 Speaker 1: and I'll go Toronto. And after that it gets a 529 00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:20,159 Speaker 1: little bit it gets a little bit murky for me. 530 00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:22,480 Speaker 1: But that's my top three. What is your top sie? 531 00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:25,800 Speaker 1: I go Boston far and away number one. Oh, I go, 532 00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:29,280 Speaker 1: you know what, I might bump up Indiana about Toroada. 533 00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:32,199 Speaker 1: I might. I might just do it. I like what 534 00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:34,320 Speaker 1: the Wizards have done. I kind of like what the 535 00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:36,720 Speaker 1: Bucks have done. I think the East is pretty good. 536 00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:38,640 Speaker 1: Do I think it's as deep as the West? I don't. 537 00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:41,800 Speaker 1: I do think we're forgetting how good if healthy Kyrie 538 00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:46,040 Speaker 1: is and Gordon Hayward is, and assuming Jason tam improves 539 00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:48,639 Speaker 1: in his second year, which he should, Jalen Brown continue 540 00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:51,840 Speaker 1: has improved, I still put Boston one. I put put 541 00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:55,359 Speaker 1: it with Marcus, with Marcus Smart coming back to uh, 542 00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:57,440 Speaker 1: you know, maybe I slipped that. Maybe I go Okay, 543 00:27:57,520 --> 00:27:59,840 Speaker 1: Now I'm all over the place. I like the Piecers, 544 00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:02,840 Speaker 1: like what the Pacers did a lot. I'm into the 545 00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:07,480 Speaker 1: UM and I think Miles Turner is very underrated and 546 00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:11,119 Speaker 1: still on the upswing. So I gotta say this idea 547 00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:13,600 Speaker 1: that the Rappers are automatically the best in the East 548 00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:15,800 Speaker 1: is not something I'm on board with, especially because we 549 00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:18,800 Speaker 1: just don't know what we're getting from Kauai and with 550 00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:22,040 Speaker 1: what motivation and they have brand new and they have 551 00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:24,080 Speaker 1: brand new coach. And I like Nick I played for him, 552 00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:26,159 Speaker 1: but I'll be interested to see House of Strauss is 553 00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:29,720 Speaker 1: the podcast etan great stuff, awesome conversation. Really appreciate you 554 00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:36,399 Speaker 1: joining us, Thanks for having me. So that's it for 555 00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:40,400 Speaker 1: this episode of All Ball. 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