WEBVTT - Giulio Bertelli, Filmmaker 0:00:00.680 --> 0:00:05.000 Ruthie's Table four is now a book Paul McCartney, Michael Caine, 0:00:05.120 --> 0:00:09.760 Kamala Harris, David Beckham, China fe Elton John and many more. 0:00:10.080 --> 0:00:13.680 It's full of stories, beautifully designed, and a celebration of 0:00:13.720 --> 0:00:18.080 the way food connects us all. It's available now wherever 0:00:18.280 --> 0:00:23.520 you buy your books. Ruthie's Table four brought to you 0:00:23.560 --> 0:00:32.240 by Sky and Montclair. Last September the Venice Film Festival, 0:00:32.520 --> 0:00:36.080 a friend took me mid afternoon to see Agone, a 0:00:36.200 --> 0:00:41.479 radical and powerful movie. Afterwards, I immediately changed my schedule 0:00:41.600 --> 0:00:44.519 to attend a dinner for the director of the film, 0:00:44.760 --> 0:00:48.280 Julio Bertelli. We sat together to talk just for a 0:00:48.320 --> 0:00:50.880 few minutes about his work, and an hour and a 0:00:50.920 --> 0:00:54.320 half later we were still talking about food and film, 0:00:54.400 --> 0:00:58.680 food and architecture, food and sailing and growing up in 0:00:58.720 --> 0:01:02.440 a family of creatives. An Italian on Ruthie's Table for 0:01:02.720 --> 0:01:05.600 is always a joy. Our links are so close before 0:01:05.600 --> 0:01:09.600 we even start. The River Cafe is inspired by Tuscany, 0:01:09.880 --> 0:01:13.080 where Richard, my husband was born. I'm so happy to 0:01:13.120 --> 0:01:15.880 have Julia here with me today to carry on in 0:01:15.920 --> 0:01:17.480 London what began in Venice. 0:01:17.840 --> 0:01:18.600 Thank you welcome. 0:01:19.120 --> 0:01:20.920 What was it like to be in the Venice Film 0:01:20.959 --> 0:01:22.919 Festival for you last year with your film. 0:01:23.319 --> 0:01:26.959 I think, of course it was strong emotions my first film, yeah, 0:01:27.040 --> 0:01:29.039 and to do that in Venice, which is you know 0:01:29.120 --> 0:01:32.240 for me, is my encounter at the same time such 0:01:32.240 --> 0:01:36.920 an important and important festival. Yes, it's specially. It felt 0:01:37.040 --> 0:01:40.000 felt very good and I think it was a hard journey, 0:01:40.040 --> 0:01:42.919 as it oftenis, you know, for first films or in general, 0:01:42.920 --> 0:01:45.680 to make any film and to be there, presented and 0:01:45.760 --> 0:01:48.320 get the warm of the reception of the film was 0:01:48.360 --> 0:01:50.360 fantastic because it's quite a radical film. 0:01:50.480 --> 0:01:55.400 It's a radical film, yeah, yeah, but to use the 0:01:55.400 --> 0:01:59.520 words radical is so beautifully shot, so the design, the 0:01:59.640 --> 0:02:02.280 slow stuff. It was a brave film. I think, a 0:02:02.320 --> 0:02:05.320 really brave film. Tell tell the audience about the movie 0:02:05.360 --> 0:02:07.200 and what you wanted to do with that movie. 0:02:07.280 --> 0:02:09.840 I think in a way to start it, of course, 0:02:09.880 --> 0:02:15.280 I come personally from a background in as a professional athlete, 0:02:15.280 --> 0:02:17.880 and the film is about three athletes, three young athletes, 0:02:17.880 --> 0:02:20.359 in a fictional Olympic game. So there was I think 0:02:20.480 --> 0:02:23.880 multiple desire that was sort of a part of me 0:02:24.160 --> 0:02:27.880 that wanted to really look at what are the Olympics, 0:02:27.919 --> 0:02:30.480 What is a sport, and then there was a part 0:02:30.520 --> 0:02:34.040 of me that just really wanted to make a film 0:02:34.040 --> 0:02:36.639 on how it feels to be an athlete. And so 0:02:36.880 --> 0:02:38.919 the film is the story of three young girls that 0:02:39.080 --> 0:02:48.480 tries to go through this journey of trying to win 0:02:48.520 --> 0:02:52.079 a medal at the Olympics ultimately and unfortunately they can't. 0:02:52.720 --> 0:02:55.760 And so it's really about how it feels not to 0:02:55.760 --> 0:02:58.160 be able to do what you want to do. And 0:02:58.840 --> 0:03:02.240 it's originally started as an animation maybe remember that many 0:03:02.320 --> 0:03:05.640 years ago. So when I started writing it with a 0:03:05.639 --> 0:03:07.880 few friends, it started as an animation and it was 0:03:07.960 --> 0:03:12.080 originally the idea was, what if it's an animation about 0:03:12.800 --> 0:03:16.440 gen of Arc, a modern version of geno Ar who 0:03:16.520 --> 0:03:20.120 is a fencer and goes at the Olympics, kills someone 0:03:20.240 --> 0:03:25.960 and then a political trial and and starts on action 0:03:26.240 --> 0:03:28.519 and this sort of looking at the Olympics as this 0:03:28.720 --> 0:03:34.160 sort of geopolitical entity wherever country face each other, it's 0:03:34.280 --> 0:03:36.720 through the proxy of sports in a ways that kind 0:03:36.720 --> 0:03:41.640 of you know, warfare through through sport between different nations. 0:03:42.080 --> 0:03:46.280 And and then it developed into live action films and 0:03:46.320 --> 0:03:50.040 with multiple storylines and the film that it is now 0:03:50.200 --> 0:03:50.920 that I presented. 0:03:51.200 --> 0:03:53.760 We were talking about the Olympics. Have we talked about 0:03:53.760 --> 0:03:57.560 sports in the sense of sports and arts and something 0:03:57.720 --> 0:03:58.720 like to be an Ali. 0:03:59.160 --> 0:04:00.720 Have you know? 0:04:01.000 --> 0:04:05.760 The they have always the cloud of boycott, you know, 0:04:05.960 --> 0:04:09.800 and so this year the jury resigned because of Russia 0:04:09.920 --> 0:04:12.640 and Israel and that, you know, should you have a 0:04:12.720 --> 0:04:16.520 participation of two countries or which you're waging wars? And 0:04:17.480 --> 0:04:20.559 the the question and I think it isn't a question 0:04:20.640 --> 0:04:24.080 for having made a film about about sport and politics, 0:04:24.120 --> 0:04:28.599 and is whether someone I was asked whether I believe 0:04:28.680 --> 0:04:33.240 that they should be boycotted, and personally I think it's 0:04:33.279 --> 0:04:36.240 better to have them there and then for everyone to 0:04:36.279 --> 0:04:38.160 make their mind up if they want to pick it 0:04:38.320 --> 0:04:40.680 or protest or not watch. But when you think of 0:04:41.320 --> 0:04:46.320 artists and athletes who work so hard to to compete, 0:04:46.440 --> 0:04:50.000 to work to be in the Olympics or in the 0:04:50.040 --> 0:04:51.920 whether it be an Ali, then to be told they 0:04:51.920 --> 0:04:55.600 can't because of what their government is doing, it's quite punishing, 0:04:55.680 --> 0:04:57.040 I think absolutely. 0:04:57.000 --> 0:04:59.680 And I think you really sort of feed the nail 0:04:59.680 --> 0:05:02.440 in the head. And as you say here, because the 0:05:02.480 --> 0:05:07.200 movie is exactly about this. It is the modern Olympics 0:05:07.480 --> 0:05:09.520 are about, you know, one hundred and thirty years old, 0:05:10.240 --> 0:05:14.159 and the starting off for officers that they were, you know, 0:05:15.040 --> 0:05:18.719 in different army of different nations competing against. 0:05:19.680 --> 0:05:21.800 From it was military was in a way because the 0:05:21.880 --> 0:05:26.560 very first sport, yeah, pistol shooting some of the very 0:05:26.640 --> 0:05:28.440 very reports or fencing as. 0:05:28.360 --> 0:05:31.040 Sort of a practice that officer would still do. So 0:05:31.839 --> 0:05:34.560 those were the type of profile of athletes that originally 0:05:34.640 --> 0:05:36.760 started to compete. And I think, you know, after the 0:05:36.800 --> 0:05:39.880 Second World War it really became this kind of view 0:05:40.000 --> 0:05:44.520 and peaceful event for the country to be together. But 0:05:44.640 --> 0:05:48.640 realistically the value of politics, the soft power of each country. 0:05:48.640 --> 0:05:51.520 I'm wanting to the US, wanting to be to win 0:05:51.600 --> 0:05:55.000 more metal lash of China, that is a very strong value. 0:05:55.000 --> 0:05:59.440 And you you still see this today of maybe Uranian 0:05:59.520 --> 0:06:02.640 athlete not shaking hands or not wanting to go on 0:06:02.720 --> 0:06:06.640 the tatami against Israeli athlete and therefore, as you say, 0:06:07.000 --> 0:06:11.919 training our life but ultimately not competing or you know, 0:06:12.000 --> 0:06:15.280 there's really countless example. And I think this is in 0:06:15.320 --> 0:06:18.160 a way very similar to the another and two art 0:06:19.000 --> 0:06:23.560 and is this sense of excellence and how much is 0:06:23.600 --> 0:06:26.039 you as a person and how much then is sort 0:06:26.080 --> 0:06:30.159 of the system that you inhabit that drives your decision 0:06:30.440 --> 0:06:32.920 or what you can cannot do. And in a way, 0:06:32.960 --> 0:06:38.320 what is interesting is that even in a very sort 0:06:38.360 --> 0:06:41.520 of in a quick Olympics system or the agon, which 0:06:41.560 --> 0:06:44.680 were kind of the names of prior to the Olympics, 0:06:45.000 --> 0:06:49.719 this competition in ancient Greek they included the drama to gipar, 0:06:49.960 --> 0:06:53.400 the theater, the arts, so it was a much more 0:06:54.480 --> 0:06:58.919 the boundaries between all of this in a way, competition 0:06:59.600 --> 0:07:03.640 where very different. Yeah, you're always much more opaque. 0:07:03.400 --> 0:07:07.760 Were there for the Olympics in Milan, they were incredibly 0:07:07.800 --> 0:07:09.840 beautifully done. I thought, you know, no, I. 0:07:09.760 --> 0:07:13.760 Think it's and you know, it's about the architecture and 0:07:13.800 --> 0:07:18.200 the system. How do you depict sports and images? And 0:07:18.320 --> 0:07:22.080 you know, ultimately most of these minor Olympic sports, because 0:07:22.080 --> 0:07:25.360 they are minor in terms of audience, they exist for 0:07:25.480 --> 0:07:29.360 the video or content that generated of them. It's not 0:07:29.400 --> 0:07:32.320 that you're gonna go tomorrow in London and have five 0:07:32.400 --> 0:07:38.480 thousand people watching the final of the English Championship of Fencing. Yeah. 0:07:39.320 --> 0:07:42.920 So I think there is this relationship between media and 0:07:43.200 --> 0:07:46.520 the idea of performance that is similar to also in 0:07:46.560 --> 0:07:51.320 a way an actor and a cinema performer. So all 0:07:51.360 --> 0:07:54.520 of these overlaps, and I think, you know, it's a 0:07:55.440 --> 0:07:58.520 has been a hard journey. You know, the movie done 0:07:58.520 --> 0:08:01.960 and now I look at it and I'm proud of it. 0:08:02.480 --> 0:08:06.840 And I think ultimately is really about even though it 0:08:06.920 --> 0:08:12.400 feels sometimes is quite complex, some of the topics, but 0:08:13.680 --> 0:08:19.480 at the end, it's really about the feeling of how 0:08:19.680 --> 0:08:22.560 or the different ways or how it hits you when 0:08:22.560 --> 0:08:24.880 you cannot do what you want to do. And I 0:08:24.880 --> 0:08:27.040 think this is a feeling that you know, it's Sheldon 0:08:27.080 --> 0:08:30.320 on the Unfortunately almost everyone you know, sometimes you can 0:08:30.360 --> 0:08:33.400 succeed and you manage to open your restaurant or do 0:08:33.400 --> 0:08:36.200 a recipe, and sometimes you cannot, and you can win 0:08:36.240 --> 0:08:39.439 a medal or go home with nothing, and that fine 0:08:39.480 --> 0:08:43.400 line of still thriving for excellence, keep on trying and trying. 0:08:44.000 --> 0:08:46.120 In America, when and I'm sure it's in Italy but 0:08:46.240 --> 0:08:49.120 not so much, when you graduate from university, there's a 0:08:49.160 --> 0:08:53.319 speaker who speaks, and everybody talks about the speech by 0:08:53.400 --> 0:08:57.600 Roger Federer, because in that we see him as a winner, 0:08:57.679 --> 0:09:00.160 We see him as somebody who is a champion. We 0:09:00.200 --> 0:09:02.680 see him as somebody who want all the swimbledons. And 0:09:02.720 --> 0:09:05.440 he said to the students. Do you know how many 0:09:05.480 --> 0:09:08.360 games I've lost in my life? If I can tell 0:09:08.400 --> 0:09:12.200 you all the games of tennis that I lost, then 0:09:12.240 --> 0:09:14.920 you would understand what you know, the few that I've won, 0:09:15.240 --> 0:09:18.120 I've won the ones that are important to win. But 0:09:18.440 --> 0:09:22.360 so much about of life and about working towards a 0:09:22.440 --> 0:09:25.200 goal is to say, you know, it's okay to fail, 0:09:25.559 --> 0:09:27.960 and it's okay to lose, and it's okay to succeed. 0:09:28.040 --> 0:09:30.719 It's okay. All that is part of the of the 0:09:30.840 --> 0:09:32.520 journey that we're taking. Do you agree? 0:09:32.760 --> 0:09:36.199 This is what I like about sport because the sense 0:09:36.240 --> 0:09:38.840 of competition is very clear. You're there to try to win, 0:09:39.160 --> 0:09:42.800 but at the same time, if you don't, it's about, 0:09:43.120 --> 0:09:46.600 you know, sitting and understanding how to do better and 0:09:46.640 --> 0:09:47.120 try again. 0:09:47.200 --> 0:09:48.240 What is the next movie? 0:09:48.440 --> 0:09:51.760 It's really going to be an adventure, Yeah, and in 0:09:51.840 --> 0:09:56.160 a very hard environment, which will be a strong challenge 0:09:56.160 --> 0:10:01.160 to actually make the film. And I'm writing and also 0:10:01.240 --> 0:10:02.760 thinking how we can do it? 0:10:02.840 --> 0:10:05.080 How do you How do you eat when you're writing? 0:10:05.160 --> 0:10:07.040 Do you do you do you have to cook for 0:10:07.120 --> 0:10:10.240 your to stop and make something to go up for 0:10:10.280 --> 0:10:13.960 a walk? Do you write everything schedule when you write? 0:10:14.080 --> 0:10:14.800 Or do you just. 0:10:16.000 --> 0:10:21.040 I kind of keep on collecting ideas while traveling, while 0:10:21.040 --> 0:10:26.120 doing other things, taking sometimes at night, and then when 0:10:26.280 --> 0:10:28.680 I feel I am like I'm kind of fed up, 0:10:29.840 --> 0:10:32.880 I just close myself for a few days and I 0:10:33.040 --> 0:10:39.199 sort of vomit first draft, and then I continue to revision. 0:10:39.240 --> 0:10:43.360 I need sometimes to let the idea to sink, and 0:10:43.400 --> 0:10:46.400 then I go back at it. And this is very important, 0:10:46.400 --> 0:10:48.760 like I do the other things in my life also 0:10:48.800 --> 0:10:54.079 because they inform my writing. I could not have the 0:10:55.200 --> 0:10:58.640 idea I have if I were only doing that I 0:10:58.679 --> 0:11:02.080 know others can, I would not be able. I need 0:11:03.320 --> 0:11:08.600 to have something else to do while I want an 0:11:08.600 --> 0:11:10.600 idea to sing for a while, so that I can 0:11:10.720 --> 0:11:14.480 stress it and see is it really standing even the 0:11:14.520 --> 0:11:17.800 time of my own you know, imagination. Or I go 0:11:17.880 --> 0:11:19.440 back at it after three weeks and I think, but 0:11:19.480 --> 0:11:24.600 this is spit, you know, it's not that good. But 0:11:24.720 --> 0:11:27.839 when I write, I drink a lot of a tea 0:11:28.080 --> 0:11:32.400 or not much coffee, a lot of tea, and just. 0:11:33.240 --> 0:11:35.720 Is it a solitary life? Do you find that you're 0:11:35.720 --> 0:11:38.920 by yourself working on this or do you have colleagues 0:11:38.960 --> 0:11:40.679 that you work with at the stage. 0:11:40.880 --> 0:11:45.120 No, it's quite solitary. So yeah, no, I'm writing at 0:11:45.120 --> 0:11:47.560 the moment and trying to, you know, put the thing together. 0:11:48.679 --> 0:11:53.600 And I'm very excited. That's exciting, very very excited. 0:11:53.640 --> 0:11:55.800 I can see it in your eyes that you have a. 0:11:55.800 --> 0:11:59.880 First difficult to me that I love challenges. I don't 0:12:00.160 --> 0:12:01.240 to make my life easier. 0:12:08.360 --> 0:12:11.280 One of the things that we also start with is 0:12:11.360 --> 0:12:14.200 to choose the recipe for you to read. You chose, 0:12:15.120 --> 0:12:18.079 You chose polenta. I'm so happy you did that. 0:12:18.160 --> 0:12:21.600 Maybe it's because of let's talk about where I'm from. 0:12:22.080 --> 0:12:25.160 Yeah, what is so? This is from our first, very 0:12:25.200 --> 0:12:26.040 first cookbook. 0:12:26.480 --> 0:12:30.640 It's polenta, which is very close. I mean I need 0:12:30.679 --> 0:12:32.960 to be like probably would speak for three hours, but 0:12:33.000 --> 0:12:34.360 I think it's very you. 0:12:34.280 --> 0:12:37.480 Can speak to us about Palentia. You probably don't even 0:12:37.559 --> 0:12:38.560 need to look at the recipe. 0:12:38.800 --> 0:12:43.640 I think you know this is six eight and put 0:12:43.640 --> 0:12:46.320 the polenta flower in the jug with a ladle. 0:12:46.920 --> 0:12:49.000 I used to say that when you pour the polenta, 0:12:49.400 --> 0:12:51.760 you should be able to see every grain of polenta 0:12:51.800 --> 0:12:52.840 going into the water. 0:12:52.840 --> 0:12:55.440 And whisky and slowly, and usually the mistake is not 0:12:55.480 --> 0:12:58.440 to cook it enough. And then I think it's interesting 0:12:58.480 --> 0:13:01.000 because I'm from Milano, there is all of the regional 0:13:01.040 --> 0:13:05.560 b Lombardia and the Alps, and every few little towns 0:13:05.640 --> 0:13:09.600 is done slightly different. Sometimes it's added back with flour, 0:13:11.559 --> 0:13:16.080 different type of cheeses, garlics, for instance. One of the 0:13:16.080 --> 0:13:20.920 reasons why I picked this is my grandmother grandmother, which 0:13:20.960 --> 0:13:24.120 comes from a very unfortunately it is not now, but 0:13:24.520 --> 0:13:27.600 come from a very small town in Molina in the 0:13:27.640 --> 0:13:31.440 Lake of Como, on the mountains of top Como, and 0:13:31.559 --> 0:13:42.400 we used to get what we called polentavna polenta he's dirty. Yeah. 0:13:42.440 --> 0:13:47.240 It was basically a very very cheesy back with an 0:13:47.360 --> 0:13:52.839 corna polenta and in the preests, I remember, we were 0:13:52.840 --> 0:13:55.000 not doing it at all. We would collect it from 0:13:55.040 --> 0:13:57.439 a sort of a very very small, very very tiny 0:13:57.440 --> 0:14:01.520 restaurant down the road in this little town, and they 0:14:01.600 --> 0:14:04.360 used to put garlic in it as well, in the 0:14:04.400 --> 0:14:09.160 water or before that would get completely smashed in the 0:14:10.720 --> 0:14:13.360 so before adding the water and the polenta, they would 0:14:13.480 --> 0:14:18.160 do oil and garlic at the bottom of the completely. 0:14:20.080 --> 0:14:22.480 I would say, it's not really a recipe or something that. 0:14:23.200 --> 0:14:26.200 You have to read it, so okay, start. 0:14:26.400 --> 0:14:28.680 Put the polenta flower in a jug with the leathers 0:14:28.720 --> 0:14:30.800 so that it can be poured in a steady stream. 0:14:31.560 --> 0:14:33.960 Bring the water to a boil in a large saucepan 0:14:34.040 --> 0:14:38.080 and add one teaspoon of salt. Lower the heat to simmer, 0:14:38.200 --> 0:14:41.720 and slowly add the polenta flower steering with a whisky 0:14:42.000 --> 0:14:46.359 until completely blended. It will now start to bubble volcanically 0:14:46.480 --> 0:14:48.600 as Use the heat to as low as possible, and 0:14:48.640 --> 0:14:51.280 cook the polenta steering from time to time with a 0:14:51.320 --> 0:14:55.560 wooden spoon prevent a skin forming on the top for 0:14:55.680 --> 0:14:58.440 about forty forty five minutes. The plant is cooked when 0:14:58.480 --> 0:15:01.360 it falls away from the side of the pannet has 0:15:01.400 --> 0:15:04.400 been come very dense and thick. Still in the butter 0:15:04.480 --> 0:15:08.480 and parmesan, and season jeneralism with salt and pepper. I 0:15:08.520 --> 0:15:14.160 don't use parmesan. I would use other type of cheese beeto. 0:15:16.600 --> 0:15:20.880 Now there's a she's called storical rebelle, and but any 0:15:20.960 --> 0:15:26.880 sort of heart that cheese. It depends on the part of. 0:15:26.360 --> 0:15:28.840 And what you eat with it. When you have polenta, 0:15:28.920 --> 0:15:31.520 do you have a do you have meat with it? 0:15:31.640 --> 0:15:33.840 Do you have tomato sauce? 0:15:33.960 --> 0:15:37.640 Do you have if I? If I do the polenta 0:15:37.720 --> 0:15:40.240 with cheese and back with flour, I use it. I 0:15:40.360 --> 0:15:44.480 usually eat it does a mad By and I like it, 0:15:44.520 --> 0:15:47.880 which is next to it. I like it when then 0:15:48.040 --> 0:15:51.360 is grilled, like particularly the cheesy one. When it's grilled, 0:15:51.400 --> 0:15:52.400 I really like it. 0:15:52.400 --> 0:15:54.880 It's a very comforting food, isn't it. Yes, it's a 0:15:55.000 --> 0:15:56.960 very and you only have it and you never would 0:15:57.040 --> 0:15:59.080 have it in the summer, so you always have it 0:15:59.160 --> 0:16:01.520 in the in the winter in the mountains. 0:16:01.640 --> 0:16:01.880 Yeah. 0:16:02.280 --> 0:16:05.120 And your your grandmother came from the mountains. 0:16:05.400 --> 0:16:10.080 She had this house in this very very very small town, yeah, 0:16:10.240 --> 0:16:13.440 on top of Como, and we used together with all 0:16:13.440 --> 0:16:18.360 the cousins and family, and it's something that it never 0:16:18.480 --> 0:16:22.920 leaves you the taste. So for me, even when I 0:16:23.000 --> 0:16:26.600 cook or when I go back at the recipes, you're 0:16:26.640 --> 0:16:29.960 really just looking for memory to match what your expectation. 0:16:30.000 --> 0:16:32.080 I think there's two parts of me. There's one who 0:16:32.120 --> 0:16:35.000 wants to do what I desire. You know, maybe you 0:16:35.040 --> 0:16:39.040 know you want to do something as the TV. Yeah, exactly. 0:16:39.720 --> 0:16:42.440 But I think it's also sometimes I just want to 0:16:42.480 --> 0:16:46.640 match a memory, and particularly for certain comforting food or 0:16:46.680 --> 0:16:47.240 the smell. 0:16:47.760 --> 0:16:51.040 And the smell is important, you think, very important. I 0:16:51.120 --> 0:16:53.600 took to smell yeah, when I had a very sad 0:16:54.000 --> 0:16:57.960 day many years ago, my son died. I remember just 0:16:58.000 --> 0:17:01.480 wanting to smell tomatoes being cooked. I needed that smell 0:17:02.240 --> 0:17:05.560 of of something. Do you have you have the smells 0:17:05.600 --> 0:17:06.639 bring you back as well? 0:17:06.640 --> 0:17:09.840 Absolutely? No, absolutely, And I think you know when I 0:17:09.920 --> 0:17:12.440 we spoke about this, when I I have this U 0:17:13.520 --> 0:17:16.000 strangely enough, this freeze right food company. 0:17:16.080 --> 0:17:17.400 Yeah, so you're going to get onto that. 0:17:17.560 --> 0:17:21.200 Yeah, But anyway, but but what is one of the 0:17:21.200 --> 0:17:24.920 most intriguing thing about that is that when you when 0:17:24.960 --> 0:17:28.720 you cook, you araumatized. I don't know if it's the 0:17:28.800 --> 0:17:33.280 correct English. The room slowly, you know, actually, but when 0:17:33.359 --> 0:17:38.159 for instance, you rehiderate a a meal, you kind of 0:17:38.200 --> 0:17:42.959 have the order and the aroma coming all together. 0:17:43.160 --> 0:17:43.360 Yeah. 0:17:44.119 --> 0:17:47.240 And I think that is a very intriguing kind of 0:17:47.359 --> 0:17:51.960 process of also going back to the relationship with with 0:17:51.680 --> 0:17:55.000 the with the smell and memories, like all of a 0:17:55.040 --> 0:17:58.000 sudden walking into a room where they've been cooking for 0:17:58.040 --> 0:18:00.879 two hours. But you kind of through that process, and 0:18:00.920 --> 0:18:02.000 I think it's very fascinating. 0:18:02.119 --> 0:18:04.239 What are the smells that you remember growing up? Well, 0:18:04.240 --> 0:18:06.359 can you remember the kitchen in your house when you 0:18:06.440 --> 0:18:08.760 were growing up? Well, okay, tell me about the kitchen 0:18:08.800 --> 0:18:09.359 in your house. 0:18:10.640 --> 0:18:11.720 Stainless steel. 0:18:12.359 --> 0:18:16.080 Where was this smell in an apartment or an apartment? 0:18:16.200 --> 0:18:20.960 I remember it was a long corridor, just a corridor 0:18:21.359 --> 0:18:24.600 with green cabinets, and there was a stainless steel they're 0:18:24.640 --> 0:18:27.640 still there, actually, the stainless steel top. 0:18:27.800 --> 0:18:28.760 So who did the cooking? 0:18:29.119 --> 0:18:32.439 My mom, my dad, both, everybody cooked a lot of it. 0:18:34.160 --> 0:18:37.320 Very passionate, I think particularly my father. 0:18:37.560 --> 0:18:41.440 Was he also from that same Oh so he was ruskiing? 0:18:42.040 --> 0:18:44.719 So was there foods that he brought with him? 0:18:45.080 --> 0:18:48.120 Yeah? Lot? And I think there was a lot of 0:18:48.160 --> 0:18:53.520 that going on and just being you know, not fanatical, 0:18:53.560 --> 0:18:56.360 but really maybe you're working for weeks and weeks on rest, 0:18:56.400 --> 0:18:58.200 if you're just trying to get it better. I remember 0:18:58.240 --> 0:19:00.639 this period of maybe you know, having to eat the 0:19:00.680 --> 0:19:06.120 same three weeks, three times a week just to improve 0:19:06.200 --> 0:19:09.600 something or to make sure it was as we wanted. 0:19:09.720 --> 0:19:10.480 But yes it was. 0:19:10.960 --> 0:19:13.760 Would you have would you have dinner in the evening altogether? 0:19:14.040 --> 0:19:14.280 Yeah? 0:19:15.040 --> 0:19:17.440 Yeah. We really grew up then with the feeling that 0:19:17.480 --> 0:19:20.640 food was very important to you. Did you think that's 0:19:20.680 --> 0:19:21.680 a very Italian? 0:19:21.800 --> 0:19:24.480 I think so probably there is a value. I don't 0:19:24.480 --> 0:19:27.639 want to have any sort I'm really noticed kind of 0:19:27.760 --> 0:19:34.320 nostalgia no romantic person it relates to you know, related 0:19:34.320 --> 0:19:39.080 to Italy, but maybe yes, among many other countries, think 0:19:39.760 --> 0:19:40.680 some more. 0:19:40.520 --> 0:19:45.400 Than the real culture of food is a culture that 0:19:45.520 --> 0:19:49.800 goes way back to understanding what a loaf of bread is, 0:19:50.040 --> 0:19:53.200 what you know, what how you respect getting a fish 0:19:53.280 --> 0:19:57.960 on the bone and cooking it whole and explaining to 0:19:58.800 --> 0:20:01.359 you know in a way that it's the regionality. I 0:20:01.359 --> 0:20:04.480 don't really say it's you know, city to city or 0:20:04.600 --> 0:20:07.720 town to town. It's really family, the family, the way 0:20:07.760 --> 0:20:10.480 you cook the food. You know, how did your grandmother 0:20:10.560 --> 0:20:11.880 cook it? How do you cook it? 0:20:11.960 --> 0:20:15.840 No, absolutely, but I also think that it's sometimes it's 0:20:15.840 --> 0:20:19.600 not really about the quality or to make the best 0:20:19.640 --> 0:20:23.520 of it, but going back to the memories, you want 0:20:23.800 --> 0:20:27.399 a certain taste profile, even though you are aware that 0:20:27.560 --> 0:20:32.040 is not what potentially in the academy of cooking is 0:20:32.080 --> 0:20:34.480 not the best. So I think this relationship is very 0:20:34.480 --> 0:20:36.560 important and it goes back to culture. And I think 0:20:36.600 --> 0:20:40.240 also you said something that I absolutely agree, which is 0:20:40.240 --> 0:20:46.639 the originality, which is not the world the traditional traditional, 0:20:46.680 --> 0:20:50.560 which I'm kind of appalled I really like against also 0:20:50.560 --> 0:20:51.800 because it has no meaning. 0:20:52.080 --> 0:20:54.880 It's like it's when which tradition we end up. 0:20:54.800 --> 0:20:58.120 To when how further back you go, like being philologically 0:20:58.119 --> 0:21:01.760 in the instead of cooking is completely possible. 0:21:02.040 --> 0:21:04.720 And also tradition. I had a friend of mine and 0:21:04.880 --> 0:21:08.080 we they were here from the United States, from New York, 0:21:08.400 --> 0:21:12.240 and we had a we had lunch one Sunday, you know, 0:21:12.320 --> 0:21:14.800 and we had lunch. We said let's meet next Sunday. 0:21:15.200 --> 0:21:18.720 So we met next Sunday and then wed that Sunday lunch. 0:21:18.760 --> 0:21:21.919 We said, let's meet next Sunday. And their little son said, 0:21:22.400 --> 0:21:24.840 is this the meaning of tradition? You know that we 0:21:25.359 --> 0:21:27.399 had three Sundays in a row, and if we have 0:21:27.440 --> 0:21:30.360 another one, is that what tradition is? We said, yeah, 0:21:30.440 --> 0:21:33.440 you can create your own traditions. You say I'll see 0:21:33.480 --> 0:21:36.439 you every Sunday, that's a tradition, or you know the 0:21:36.480 --> 0:21:38.720 way we are at the table, or the food we cook, 0:21:39.080 --> 0:21:41.520 it's a it doesn't have to be You can create 0:21:41.520 --> 0:21:44.440 a tradition in one minute. You know, this is our tradition. 0:21:45.440 --> 0:21:48.000 So they've always done it, is just to know it's 0:21:48.040 --> 0:21:54.120 like some I personally, sometimes I've been the maddest, particularly 0:21:54.160 --> 0:21:57.080 with Italians or maybe other countries were the same off, 0:21:57.240 --> 0:22:01.000 like wanting to stick to a certain way of doing 0:22:01.000 --> 0:22:05.359 certain things because it's you don't really know what you're defending. 0:22:06.720 --> 0:22:10.280 Also because if you dig I am a passionate history, 0:22:10.320 --> 0:22:15.840 and if you dig into things, you are exactly I 0:22:15.840 --> 0:22:18.760 think everything I do is always as a relationship between 0:22:19.400 --> 0:22:22.080 whether it was the film or the film I'm writing now, 0:22:22.240 --> 0:22:27.400 is always about kind of a current status of themes 0:22:27.440 --> 0:22:31.120 that I try to connect that I'm interested about and 0:22:31.359 --> 0:22:34.680 try to trace them back and work my you know, 0:22:35.160 --> 0:22:41.280 work backwards in history. And then I think I'm not 0:22:41.480 --> 0:22:45.760 interested in the idea of just being observational. So it's 0:22:45.800 --> 0:22:49.119 always kind of okay giving a proposal in a way 0:22:50.000 --> 0:22:53.840 as I did with the film, or you know, speculating 0:22:53.840 --> 0:22:57.200 on us slightly, you know, the future ahead, or giving 0:22:57.200 --> 0:22:59.480 a proposal or an idea or a point of view, 0:22:59.560 --> 0:23:05.320 and not being not just depicting reality. 0:23:08.640 --> 0:23:11.399 The interesting thing that we were we refer to it 0:23:11.520 --> 0:23:15.280 just now, but as as your freeze dried food, but 0:23:15.400 --> 0:23:19.080 you talked about when we were in Venice, and it 0:23:19.320 --> 0:23:23.200 to me it's just a very very fascinating idea. Someone 0:23:23.240 --> 0:23:25.840 who takes the ingredients, as you say, the only in 0:23:25.880 --> 0:23:28.879