1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,040 Speaker 1: Welcome to How to Money. I'm Joel and I'm Matt, 2 00:00:03,240 --> 00:00:06,520 Speaker 1: and today we're discussing cultivating a healthy view of work. 3 00:00:12,039 --> 00:00:27,840 Speaker 1: All right, Joel, we're back from the break, and we're 4 00:00:27,840 --> 00:00:31,360 Speaker 1: actually back from Christmas break as well. Yeah, Merry Christmas 5 00:00:31,360 --> 00:00:33,280 Speaker 1: to everyone out there. Hope you guys had an excellent 6 00:00:33,440 --> 00:00:35,960 Speaker 1: holiday and it was spent with people that you cared 7 00:00:35,960 --> 00:00:39,320 Speaker 1: about and just lots of fun downtime. Aren't you hoping 8 00:00:39,360 --> 00:00:43,040 Speaker 1: that I had a wonderful birthday to Uh? Kind of 9 00:00:43,680 --> 00:00:46,440 Speaker 1: we celebrate together, dude. We celebrate your birthday, my birthdays 10 00:00:46,440 --> 00:00:48,960 Speaker 1: on Christmas Eve and lately, uh, yeah, our families have 11 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:51,960 Speaker 1: gotten together, which is an awesome way for us to 12 00:00:52,040 --> 00:00:53,600 Speaker 1: kind of grow up a little bit, you know, like 13 00:00:53,640 --> 00:00:55,960 Speaker 1: when you're kind of single and you're younger, I guess 14 00:00:56,280 --> 00:00:58,560 Speaker 1: it's kind of expected that you always spend a lot 15 00:00:58,600 --> 00:01:00,840 Speaker 1: of your holidays with your with your only probably like 16 00:01:00,880 --> 00:01:03,200 Speaker 1: you should. But now that we are kind of growing up, 17 00:01:03,320 --> 00:01:05,120 Speaker 1: we've got our own kids, and we are starting to 18 00:01:05,160 --> 00:01:09,039 Speaker 1: set our own traditions as individual families, but then collectively 19 00:01:09,440 --> 00:01:11,839 Speaker 1: the House of Money family, we bring everyone all together 20 00:01:11,920 --> 00:01:13,720 Speaker 1: and and yeah, we always have a good time. Yeah, 21 00:01:13,720 --> 00:01:16,199 Speaker 1: and we can celebrate holidays however we want now because 22 00:01:16,200 --> 00:01:19,080 Speaker 1: we're adults, nobody can tell us what to do. Well, 23 00:01:19,120 --> 00:01:21,479 Speaker 1: our wives can tell us what to do. So that's 24 00:01:21,480 --> 00:01:23,280 Speaker 1: a good point. That's a good point. I want to 25 00:01:23,319 --> 00:01:25,240 Speaker 1: let everyone know, Matt that if they got a gift card, 26 00:01:25,280 --> 00:01:28,920 Speaker 1: specifically over the holidays, that they should consider spending it 27 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:32,560 Speaker 1: really soon. And that's because there are over a billion 28 00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:35,640 Speaker 1: dollars in unused gift cards lying around in people's stock drawers. 29 00:01:35,959 --> 00:01:38,600 Speaker 1: That's such a bummer because that's free money, right and 30 00:01:38,600 --> 00:01:42,119 Speaker 1: and so gift cards can oftentimes be a thoughtful gift, 31 00:01:42,360 --> 00:01:44,600 Speaker 1: but it turns out that the recipient doesn't always use it. 32 00:01:44,680 --> 00:01:46,200 Speaker 1: So if you've got a gift card, make sure you 33 00:01:46,240 --> 00:01:48,120 Speaker 1: put it in your wallet, in your purse, make sure 34 00:01:48,160 --> 00:01:50,520 Speaker 1: it's in a usable place so that you can get 35 00:01:50,560 --> 00:01:52,600 Speaker 1: to it within you know, the first few weeks of 36 00:01:52,640 --> 00:01:55,120 Speaker 1: the new year. Use that gift card. Because I don't 37 00:01:55,160 --> 00:01:57,000 Speaker 1: want your gift card to add to that number of 38 00:01:57,120 --> 00:01:59,280 Speaker 1: unused gift cards. We actually want you get used out 39 00:01:59,280 --> 00:02:01,280 Speaker 1: of the presence that you've given. Yeah, man, use it 40 00:02:01,280 --> 00:02:03,040 Speaker 1: to lose it. Yeah, if it's still a place that 41 00:02:03,080 --> 00:02:06,680 Speaker 1: you're not super into, consider selling it on the secondary 42 00:02:06,720 --> 00:02:09,560 Speaker 1: gift card market right, like, seriously, there are websites out 43 00:02:09,600 --> 00:02:12,280 Speaker 1: there where you can sell your gift card. In particular, 44 00:02:12,320 --> 00:02:15,320 Speaker 1: there's an aggregator called gift card Granny dot com. Gift 45 00:02:15,320 --> 00:02:19,880 Speaker 1: card what gift card Granny Granny granny nice, so you 46 00:02:19,880 --> 00:02:21,560 Speaker 1: can go there. I really hope it was a grandma 47 00:02:21,560 --> 00:02:23,760 Speaker 1: that actually started the site, because that would be awesome. 48 00:02:23,800 --> 00:02:25,440 Speaker 1: I hope so too. I hope so too. I'm not 49 00:02:25,440 --> 00:02:27,720 Speaker 1: sure exactly how it began, but it's an awesome site. 50 00:02:27,720 --> 00:02:30,760 Speaker 1: It aggregates all the gift card resale sites and uh 51 00:02:30,760 --> 00:02:33,239 Speaker 1: and you can find you know, what resale site would 52 00:02:33,240 --> 00:02:35,440 Speaker 1: give you the most money for your gift card. So 53 00:02:35,560 --> 00:02:38,040 Speaker 1: gift card granny dot com. It's cool website. And it's 54 00:02:38,040 --> 00:02:39,840 Speaker 1: cool if you want to buy discount of gift cards too. 55 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:43,399 Speaker 1: It's like the gift card website to rule them all exactly. 56 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:46,200 Speaker 1: So a few weeks ago, I mentioned how I've been 57 00:02:46,200 --> 00:02:49,120 Speaker 1: delaying my coffee drinking and the reason for that is 58 00:02:49,200 --> 00:02:51,360 Speaker 1: because I found it more effective for me to have 59 00:02:51,400 --> 00:02:53,600 Speaker 1: my coffee in the afternoons, like around two or three, 60 00:02:53,600 --> 00:02:56,320 Speaker 1: when I get sleepy, essentially, and it also saves on 61 00:02:56,360 --> 00:02:58,200 Speaker 1: money because I'm not drinking that second cup or that 62 00:02:58,240 --> 00:03:00,720 Speaker 1: third cup, and we kind of like the nicer coffees 63 00:03:00,760 --> 00:03:02,480 Speaker 1: and it's kind of expensive, you know, getting a pound 64 00:03:02,480 --> 00:03:05,880 Speaker 1: of coffee at your coffee shop. But I have missed 65 00:03:06,160 --> 00:03:08,959 Speaker 1: having a hot drink in the morning. That's just something 66 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:11,160 Speaker 1: about that, and especially in the wintertime in general, sitting 67 00:03:11,160 --> 00:03:13,320 Speaker 1: at your desk, it's just nice having a hot drink. 68 00:03:13,680 --> 00:03:15,600 Speaker 1: It's one of the things I like. I completely agree 69 00:03:15,600 --> 00:03:17,520 Speaker 1: with you with me. Yeah, that's part of the reason 70 00:03:17,560 --> 00:03:19,680 Speaker 1: why it's harder for me. Like I've heard you talk 71 00:03:19,720 --> 00:03:23,040 Speaker 1: about it, and my thought process is, well, I don't 72 00:03:23,040 --> 00:03:25,000 Speaker 1: want to give up coffee, not because of the effect 73 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:27,560 Speaker 1: that caffeine has on me, but honestly just the sensation 74 00:03:27,600 --> 00:03:29,760 Speaker 1: of drinking hot beverage. Okay, yeah, Well so the whole 75 00:03:29,800 --> 00:03:32,120 Speaker 1: reason I bring this up then, is because I'm totally 76 00:03:32,120 --> 00:03:35,680 Speaker 1: hacking my hot drink and take by just drinking hot water. 77 00:03:38,160 --> 00:03:40,160 Speaker 1: That's weird, man. I don't know if it's as weird 78 00:03:40,200 --> 00:03:45,000 Speaker 1: as grainy grainny credit card. So what do you think? 79 00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:47,560 Speaker 1: Is this frugal or is this cheap? Me drinking hot 80 00:03:47,600 --> 00:03:49,960 Speaker 1: So I'm still having my coffee in the afternoons, so 81 00:03:49,960 --> 00:03:52,200 Speaker 1: I'm still getting my caffeine. I'm still getting my delicious 82 00:03:52,200 --> 00:03:54,960 Speaker 1: pour over coffee. I guess my question would be, is 83 00:03:55,040 --> 00:03:58,160 Speaker 1: drinking hot water pleasurable in any way, form or fashion. Well, 84 00:03:58,200 --> 00:04:00,160 Speaker 1: I am happy to say that yes, and this is 85 00:04:00,200 --> 00:04:02,120 Speaker 1: why I've been. I've I've kept it up for several 86 00:04:02,160 --> 00:04:04,600 Speaker 1: weeks now, but I don't know what it is, but 87 00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:07,680 Speaker 1: having a hot cup of water. It's gosh, every time 88 00:04:07,680 --> 00:04:09,360 Speaker 1: I say it, I sound like such a cheap skate. 89 00:04:09,440 --> 00:04:11,920 Speaker 1: It sounds really weird, dude. Like I fill up a 90 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:14,440 Speaker 1: pint glass so I solid sixteen ounces of water. Throwing 91 00:04:14,440 --> 00:04:18,520 Speaker 1: the microwave two minutes comes out like steamy, like piping hot, 92 00:04:18,839 --> 00:04:21,359 Speaker 1: and I grabbed my hands. It's my hands warm. I 93 00:04:21,400 --> 00:04:23,919 Speaker 1: go sit in my cold office because we live in 94 00:04:23,960 --> 00:04:26,839 Speaker 1: an old drafty house, and I get to sip on 95 00:04:26,880 --> 00:04:28,520 Speaker 1: that and I drink way more water, so I know 96 00:04:28,560 --> 00:04:30,960 Speaker 1: I'm healthier. I'm hydrated, better for my throat, you know, 97 00:04:30,960 --> 00:04:33,680 Speaker 1: it's just better for everything when you stay hydrated. And 98 00:04:33,800 --> 00:04:37,359 Speaker 1: it's still satisfies that warmth that I'm kind of looking for. 99 00:04:37,400 --> 00:04:39,120 Speaker 1: In the middle of the winter, I'm sitting there on 100 00:04:39,160 --> 00:04:42,400 Speaker 1: the computer. My hands are freezing right because I'm not 101 00:04:42,400 --> 00:04:45,920 Speaker 1: wearing gloves. I guess, do you wear gloves when you type? No? No, 102 00:04:45,920 --> 00:04:47,760 Speaker 1: no one does that. But yeah, I just wanted to 103 00:04:47,760 --> 00:04:49,440 Speaker 1: share that with folks. It sounds totally weird, and I 104 00:04:49,480 --> 00:04:51,360 Speaker 1: wanted to specifically share that with you because I thought 105 00:04:51,400 --> 00:04:53,960 Speaker 1: you might, I don't know, man, maybe into that. It's interesting. Yeah, 106 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:55,760 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think I'll give it a try, 107 00:04:55,880 --> 00:04:57,480 Speaker 1: but there's a chance that I do, and I'll let 108 00:04:57,480 --> 00:04:59,160 Speaker 1: you know. But you got that office, you're rocking that 109 00:04:59,240 --> 00:05:01,839 Speaker 1: office coffee or that's true, which is honestly, it's pretty 110 00:05:01,880 --> 00:05:04,039 Speaker 1: rough most of the time, but still it's there. It's 111 00:05:04,080 --> 00:05:07,120 Speaker 1: it's hot, and it's fairly fresh, I sume, true. Yeah, 112 00:05:07,200 --> 00:05:10,520 Speaker 1: well sometimes all right, So okay, there's something on the 113 00:05:10,520 --> 00:05:12,440 Speaker 1: coffee note. There's something interesting I found out from a 114 00:05:12,480 --> 00:05:14,839 Speaker 1: co worker just a few days ago that i'd never 115 00:05:14,880 --> 00:05:18,159 Speaker 1: heard before. He told me that eating an apple, and 116 00:05:18,160 --> 00:05:20,039 Speaker 1: he said in particular Granny Smith apple. But then I 117 00:05:20,040 --> 00:05:21,560 Speaker 1: did a little research and it just seemed like it 118 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:25,680 Speaker 1: was any apple. But that had a similar effect as 119 00:05:25,800 --> 00:05:28,800 Speaker 1: drinking a cup of coffee. There's something about eating an 120 00:05:28,800 --> 00:05:33,000 Speaker 1: apple that gives you that boost in energy and that 121 00:05:33,080 --> 00:05:35,280 Speaker 1: kind of perk that caffeine gives you. Is that the 122 00:05:35,320 --> 00:05:38,320 Speaker 1: sugars so in particular. Yeah, it is the sugars that 123 00:05:38,360 --> 00:05:40,359 Speaker 1: are one of the main reasons that apples have a 124 00:05:40,360 --> 00:05:43,400 Speaker 1: similar effect to coffee. And you know, studies also show 125 00:05:43,480 --> 00:05:47,480 Speaker 1: that the vitamins from apples, specifically the skin of the apple, 126 00:05:47,480 --> 00:05:51,040 Speaker 1: they're released slowly throughout the body, making you feel more 127 00:05:51,080 --> 00:05:54,200 Speaker 1: awake over time. Nice, I love it, man, who knew? 128 00:05:54,760 --> 00:05:56,800 Speaker 1: I mean, I've always enjoyed apples. I mean I eat 129 00:05:56,800 --> 00:05:59,320 Speaker 1: an apple maybe like every other day around lunch time. 130 00:05:59,440 --> 00:06:01,800 Speaker 1: So maybe that's why I haven't needed my coffee until 131 00:06:01,800 --> 00:06:03,440 Speaker 1: a little bit later on too. Yeah. I eat apples 132 00:06:03,440 --> 00:06:05,919 Speaker 1: almost every day too. Yeah, And and sometimes I feel 133 00:06:05,920 --> 00:06:08,159 Speaker 1: bad because I don't think they're quite as healthy as carrots, 134 00:06:08,200 --> 00:06:09,920 Speaker 1: and carrots are way cheaper too, and so I kind 135 00:06:09,920 --> 00:06:12,720 Speaker 1: of alternate. But I feel like, except apples are delicious, dude, 136 00:06:12,760 --> 00:06:14,880 Speaker 1: Except for apples are the best. And so now that 137 00:06:14,920 --> 00:06:16,520 Speaker 1: I know that they've got this kind of quality too, 138 00:06:16,520 --> 00:06:19,280 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna feel as bad. It makes you feel better. Yeah, 139 00:06:19,360 --> 00:06:21,360 Speaker 1: Audi lately has had a really good sale on apples. 140 00:06:21,360 --> 00:06:23,640 Speaker 1: Did you did you buy a bunch of those? Wait 141 00:06:23,680 --> 00:06:25,360 Speaker 1: in the bags they sell the bags apples? I think 142 00:06:25,360 --> 00:06:27,680 Speaker 1: Emily picked up a bag. Maybe yeah, about two bags 143 00:06:27,680 --> 00:06:30,039 Speaker 1: because they were super cheap. They were so freaking good. 144 00:06:30,279 --> 00:06:32,000 Speaker 1: I don't even know what kind they are, but I 145 00:06:32,040 --> 00:06:34,880 Speaker 1: will say I'm a sucker for hand picking my apples. 146 00:06:35,200 --> 00:06:37,560 Speaker 1: So when I go to Kroger, I could spend like 147 00:06:37,600 --> 00:06:42,279 Speaker 1: ten minutes in front of the apples hands selecting each one. Dude, Yeah, 148 00:06:42,400 --> 00:06:44,200 Speaker 1: are you kidding me? There's something to bring so much 149 00:06:44,240 --> 00:06:46,720 Speaker 1: satisfaction about looking at all the apples and picking out 150 00:06:46,720 --> 00:06:49,200 Speaker 1: the seven that look the absolute most primo in that 151 00:06:49,279 --> 00:06:52,320 Speaker 1: in the produce section. Yeah, you and your Grainny grainy 152 00:06:52,320 --> 00:06:56,440 Speaker 1: apple habits Grainny gift card. Oh it's so nice. It's 153 00:06:56,480 --> 00:06:58,599 Speaker 1: got time. I mean, I don't know, man, I can't 154 00:06:58,600 --> 00:07:01,440 Speaker 1: do the baged apples usually they're they're they're not the same. 155 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:04,360 Speaker 1: When I hand picked the perfect apple, it's ten times 156 00:07:04,400 --> 00:07:06,440 Speaker 1: better than like what ends up in the bag. Promise 157 00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:07,800 Speaker 1: you all right, next time you ever at my house, 158 00:07:07,800 --> 00:07:09,360 Speaker 1: I'll let you have one of these apples from Aldi. 159 00:07:09,480 --> 00:07:12,240 Speaker 1: We'll do an apple taste test. Apple off. I'll taste 160 00:07:12,240 --> 00:07:15,320 Speaker 1: your hot water too, dude. So going back to that, 161 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:17,120 Speaker 1: I made Kate try it today because I realized I've 162 00:07:17,120 --> 00:07:18,640 Speaker 1: been doing it for a couple of weeks now and 163 00:07:18,760 --> 00:07:20,920 Speaker 1: I've actually gotten to the point where I enjoy it. 164 00:07:21,040 --> 00:07:23,520 Speaker 1: And I thought, Kate, you've got to try this. And 165 00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:25,320 Speaker 1: she looked at me and kind of nodded her head 166 00:07:25,680 --> 00:07:28,280 Speaker 1: as if she sort of understood what I was saying. 167 00:07:28,720 --> 00:07:30,960 Speaker 1: So there's hope out there because she's way less weird 168 00:07:30,960 --> 00:07:33,000 Speaker 1: than I am. She's sort of a litmus test. She's 169 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:34,600 Speaker 1: like the normal one of the family. Yeah, she doesn't 170 00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:37,240 Speaker 1: put up with weird stuff normally. I don't know, man, 171 00:07:37,280 --> 00:07:39,400 Speaker 1: she married you, she married me, that's true, all right. 172 00:07:39,480 --> 00:07:42,200 Speaker 1: So let's tell everyone the beer that we're drinking today, 173 00:07:42,440 --> 00:07:47,080 Speaker 1: and it is a Christmas inspired beer from our buddy John. 174 00:07:47,520 --> 00:07:49,280 Speaker 1: We've had one of his beers on the show before. 175 00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:52,280 Speaker 1: He is a homebrewer right up the road from where 176 00:07:52,360 --> 00:07:55,760 Speaker 1: we are in Atlanta. Man, his beers are epic. Yeah, 177 00:07:55,800 --> 00:07:57,560 Speaker 1: So this beer, we wanted to share it with you 178 00:07:57,600 --> 00:08:00,480 Speaker 1: guys the day after Christmas. It's called christ us Land 179 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:03,760 Speaker 1: and it's a Hawaiian Christmas stout. Yeah, And I always 180 00:08:03,760 --> 00:08:05,520 Speaker 1: like looking at the labels because I'm a visual kind 181 00:08:05,520 --> 00:08:08,440 Speaker 1: of guy. It's got a sort of demented looking Santa 182 00:08:08,720 --> 00:08:10,880 Speaker 1: Gate like a fun house kind of mouth. You know, 183 00:08:10,920 --> 00:08:12,800 Speaker 1: like you like walk through the mouth of a clown 184 00:08:12,840 --> 00:08:14,640 Speaker 1: and you're walking into it like a fun house. It's 185 00:08:14,720 --> 00:08:17,480 Speaker 1: kind of got like a demented Christmas theme park looking 186 00:08:17,560 --> 00:08:19,720 Speaker 1: going on to it. Yeah, and like a snowman that 187 00:08:19,760 --> 00:08:21,480 Speaker 1: looks like he might, I don't know, put naxe in 188 00:08:21,520 --> 00:08:24,240 Speaker 1: your ack or something like that. A little crazy looking 189 00:08:24,280 --> 00:08:26,600 Speaker 1: roller coaster in the back. Yeah. So uh And if 190 00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:28,040 Speaker 1: people want to know what these labels look like the 191 00:08:28,040 --> 00:08:29,840 Speaker 1: stuff that we're drinking, they want to see the visuals. 192 00:08:29,880 --> 00:08:33,079 Speaker 1: Follow us on Instagram at how to Money Pot. We 193 00:08:33,160 --> 00:08:35,680 Speaker 1: post lots of kind of fun pictures of the background 194 00:08:35,679 --> 00:08:38,079 Speaker 1: stuff of the of the podcast on there, and we 195 00:08:38,160 --> 00:08:39,840 Speaker 1: kind of just covered this, but I wanted to mention 196 00:08:39,920 --> 00:08:41,200 Speaker 1: this isn't a beer that you're gonna be able to 197 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:43,400 Speaker 1: find at your local store. A lot of the beers 198 00:08:43,400 --> 00:08:45,520 Speaker 1: that we do enjoy on the show are craft beers 199 00:08:45,720 --> 00:08:48,880 Speaker 1: that are widely available at a at grocery stores. But 200 00:08:48,920 --> 00:08:51,240 Speaker 1: then sometimes we get some extra special beers like this. 201 00:08:51,640 --> 00:08:53,280 Speaker 1: So we'll be sure to get some beers that you 202 00:08:53,320 --> 00:08:56,040 Speaker 1: can find locally here soon enough. But today, man, I 203 00:08:56,080 --> 00:08:59,640 Speaker 1: am excited to be sipping this delicious beer from my buddy. 204 00:08:59,760 --> 00:09:02,800 Speaker 1: All Right, So let's take our first sip, and like 205 00:09:02,840 --> 00:09:05,040 Speaker 1: we've been doing lately, we'll give one word to describe 206 00:09:05,080 --> 00:09:07,560 Speaker 1: the beer we're drinking. Let's do it. Cheers man. So 207 00:09:07,559 --> 00:09:09,160 Speaker 1: the first thing I'll mention is that when I swirled 208 00:09:09,200 --> 00:09:11,680 Speaker 1: us in the glass, the beer is so thick it 209 00:09:11,760 --> 00:09:14,400 Speaker 1: coats the glass and it colors it like it's stained 210 00:09:14,400 --> 00:09:16,520 Speaker 1: glass or something like that. Is I know this is 211 00:09:16,520 --> 00:09:19,000 Speaker 1: gonna be a thick old beer. Yeah, Specifically, when I 212 00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:20,720 Speaker 1: poured this, it felt like I was porn tend to 213 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:23,600 Speaker 1: be forty like straight into my engine block right like 214 00:09:23,920 --> 00:09:26,800 Speaker 1: it was. It was so thick and viscus, with like 215 00:09:26,840 --> 00:09:28,839 Speaker 1: no head to it at all. So what's the first 216 00:09:29,080 --> 00:09:30,640 Speaker 1: word that comes to mind when you take a sip 217 00:09:30,640 --> 00:09:33,920 Speaker 1: of this beer? Well, dude, that is so good. Okay, 218 00:09:33,920 --> 00:09:36,679 Speaker 1: one word decadent. That's a good one, and actually kind 219 00:09:36,679 --> 00:09:39,800 Speaker 1: of in the realm of normalcy, which is we're talking 220 00:09:39,840 --> 00:09:41,600 Speaker 1: about me being such a weirdo, it's I kinda want 221 00:09:41,600 --> 00:09:43,480 Speaker 1: to bring it home a little bit and choose a 222 00:09:43,520 --> 00:09:47,000 Speaker 1: word that most folks might understand from the get go. Well, 223 00:09:47,400 --> 00:09:52,200 Speaker 1: my word is for the beer is oily. And and 224 00:09:52,240 --> 00:09:54,200 Speaker 1: we'll tell you more about why we use those words 225 00:09:54,240 --> 00:09:55,920 Speaker 1: to define this beer. At the end of the show 226 00:09:56,040 --> 00:09:58,320 Speaker 1: when we give our tasting notes, how the tables have 227 00:09:58,400 --> 00:10:02,760 Speaker 1: turned WEIRDO. All right, Matt, So let's get onto the 228 00:10:02,800 --> 00:10:05,839 Speaker 1: subject at hand today, cultivating a healthy view of work. 229 00:10:06,240 --> 00:10:09,440 Speaker 1: And you and I man, we both feel really passionate 230 00:10:09,520 --> 00:10:11,600 Speaker 1: about this topic. We feel like we have a lot 231 00:10:11,640 --> 00:10:14,640 Speaker 1: to say about this, and because there is a major 232 00:10:14,800 --> 00:10:17,839 Speaker 1: problem in our culture with the predominant ways that people 233 00:10:18,040 --> 00:10:21,240 Speaker 1: view work, the common cultural misconceptions of what work is 234 00:10:21,280 --> 00:10:24,319 Speaker 1: supposed to be, why we do it, is it good? 235 00:10:24,679 --> 00:10:27,320 Speaker 1: And there are just a lot of terrible tropes floating 236 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:30,360 Speaker 1: around the internet in regards to what work is. And 237 00:10:30,600 --> 00:10:33,640 Speaker 1: we want to challenge those misconceptions and kind of help 238 00:10:33,640 --> 00:10:36,559 Speaker 1: people understand how to approach work so that it can 239 00:10:36,600 --> 00:10:42,720 Speaker 1: be not only utilitarian in providing value for your life 240 00:10:42,840 --> 00:10:46,520 Speaker 1: and income, but also talking about how to create a 241 00:10:46,559 --> 00:10:49,480 Speaker 1: meaningful sense of work in what you're doing day to day, 242 00:10:49,679 --> 00:10:53,160 Speaker 1: so that it isn't just mundane drudgery. And so a 243 00:10:53,200 --> 00:10:56,560 Speaker 1: couple examples I guess of those misguided views, right, like 244 00:10:56,600 --> 00:10:59,560 Speaker 1: the sort of what we would say are incorrect approaches 245 00:10:59,640 --> 00:11:03,000 Speaker 1: towards work. First off, I would mention the traditional view 246 00:11:03,040 --> 00:11:05,360 Speaker 1: like more of a traditional view of work, which is, 247 00:11:06,080 --> 00:11:08,480 Speaker 1: you don't have to love your job. In fact, you 248 00:11:08,520 --> 00:11:11,000 Speaker 1: can even hate your job, but you're gonna do it anyway. 249 00:11:11,280 --> 00:11:13,480 Speaker 1: You're gonna make a lot of money. And that's just 250 00:11:13,520 --> 00:11:15,720 Speaker 1: what work is all about. To me. That's life. Company 251 00:11:15,720 --> 00:11:18,160 Speaker 1: man to the company. Yeah, exactly, a company man. It 252 00:11:18,200 --> 00:11:20,800 Speaker 1: kind of goes back to more of like baby boomer generation. 253 00:11:20,840 --> 00:11:25,440 Speaker 1: We're like loyalty and stability, just these sort of things 254 00:11:25,600 --> 00:11:28,480 Speaker 1: mattered way more. And yeah, that's more I guess of 255 00:11:28,520 --> 00:11:31,599 Speaker 1: a traditional old school view of work. And then to 256 00:11:31,720 --> 00:11:34,080 Speaker 1: counter that, I think we we can present the more 257 00:11:34,200 --> 00:11:39,600 Speaker 1: millennial view towards work, which is yellow. Exactly, it's yellow. 258 00:11:39,679 --> 00:11:41,559 Speaker 1: It's I've got to find the perfect job for me. 259 00:11:41,600 --> 00:11:43,720 Speaker 1: I've got to find the job that is my calling, 260 00:11:44,240 --> 00:11:48,000 Speaker 1: satisfies my soul in the deepest reaches. Yeah, creatively. Oh 261 00:11:48,120 --> 00:11:50,360 Speaker 1: and by the way, it also pays the best of 262 00:11:50,400 --> 00:11:52,400 Speaker 1: any any job I could possible to get. Plus I 263 00:11:52,400 --> 00:11:53,800 Speaker 1: get ten weeks of vacation so I can go to 264 00:11:53,840 --> 00:11:56,360 Speaker 1: Thailand whenever I want. I mean, we're making fun of ourselves. 265 00:11:56,360 --> 00:11:59,880 Speaker 1: We're millennials as well, but typically that is the attitude tour. 266 00:12:00,520 --> 00:12:02,760 Speaker 1: The millennial view of work is that it's gotta be 267 00:12:02,760 --> 00:12:05,000 Speaker 1: it's gotta be perfect. You have to find all sort 268 00:12:05,040 --> 00:12:07,960 Speaker 1: of satisfaction and fulfillment doing that job. And I think 269 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:10,600 Speaker 1: both of those there are certain things about them that 270 00:12:10,679 --> 00:12:13,440 Speaker 1: are good. But if you subscribe to either one of those, 271 00:12:14,559 --> 00:12:16,560 Speaker 1: we think you'll end up misguided and you may not 272 00:12:16,640 --> 00:12:19,960 Speaker 1: quite have the healthy view towards work that you need to. 273 00:12:20,400 --> 00:12:23,760 Speaker 1: Yeah man, And in our shifting economy, we kind of 274 00:12:23,800 --> 00:12:26,000 Speaker 1: have to come up with a different philosophy of what 275 00:12:26,040 --> 00:12:29,120 Speaker 1: work looks like because the company man toe the companyline. 276 00:12:29,440 --> 00:12:31,480 Speaker 1: The old school view of work that you mentioned that 277 00:12:31,600 --> 00:12:36,160 Speaker 1: just doesn't work anymore because loyalty was valued by our 278 00:12:36,200 --> 00:12:40,200 Speaker 1: parents generation in part because there was loyalty on the 279 00:12:40,200 --> 00:12:43,160 Speaker 1: other side from the employer. And we now know in 280 00:12:43,640 --> 00:12:46,640 Speaker 1: changing in economy, in in a vastly different economy from 281 00:12:46,679 --> 00:12:50,120 Speaker 1: what it used to be, much more worldwide economy technological 282 00:12:50,200 --> 00:12:55,040 Speaker 1: changes AI robotics being introduced, that jobs are far less steady, 283 00:12:55,120 --> 00:12:58,319 Speaker 1: employers are far less steady than they were thirty or 284 00:12:58,400 --> 00:13:00,360 Speaker 1: forty years ago. So we have to come up with 285 00:13:00,440 --> 00:13:04,640 Speaker 1: a different philosophy that helps us frame work properly while 286 00:13:04,720 --> 00:13:07,760 Speaker 1: understanding the necessity of it. Yeah, I man, so obviously 287 00:13:07,960 --> 00:13:12,199 Speaker 1: this is very timely right for younger millennials who are 288 00:13:12,200 --> 00:13:14,679 Speaker 1: getting into the workplace for the first time considering what 289 00:13:14,720 --> 00:13:17,320 Speaker 1: it is that kind of drives them aside from the paycheck. 290 00:13:17,679 --> 00:13:20,200 Speaker 1: But what we're gonna be talking about is incredibly appropriate 291 00:13:20,240 --> 00:13:23,360 Speaker 1: for older generations as well, because these principles that we're 292 00:13:23,360 --> 00:13:26,640 Speaker 1: discussing applies to you regardless of what stage of work 293 00:13:26,640 --> 00:13:29,160 Speaker 1: you're in. It's not something that you have to subscribe 294 00:13:29,160 --> 00:13:31,199 Speaker 1: to from the very beginning, is something that you can 295 00:13:31,240 --> 00:13:34,360 Speaker 1: realize doesn't fit anymore and you think, man, I really 296 00:13:34,400 --> 00:13:37,360 Speaker 1: need to shift my thoughts on how I approach work. 297 00:13:37,760 --> 00:13:39,720 Speaker 1: I'll say from my own personal experience that I didn't 298 00:13:39,760 --> 00:13:41,800 Speaker 1: give much thought to work. It wasn't until I was 299 00:13:41,840 --> 00:13:43,680 Speaker 1: doing it myself and I was in it for a 300 00:13:43,679 --> 00:13:45,600 Speaker 1: couple of years did I start to question, well, why 301 00:13:45,679 --> 00:13:47,520 Speaker 1: is it that I'm doing this? I think a lot 302 00:13:47,559 --> 00:13:51,160 Speaker 1: of times when I don't give something thought, by default, 303 00:13:51,200 --> 00:13:54,000 Speaker 1: you subscribe to your parents views and approach towards work. 304 00:13:54,160 --> 00:13:56,839 Speaker 1: And not that that's wrong, but it's just sort of 305 00:13:56,840 --> 00:13:59,160 Speaker 1: a default, right. It's something that you're you're doing, you're 306 00:13:59,160 --> 00:14:01,120 Speaker 1: not really thinking too much about. It's just how you 307 00:14:01,160 --> 00:14:04,439 Speaker 1: were raised. In some cases, that's probably awesome because maybe 308 00:14:04,520 --> 00:14:06,360 Speaker 1: you have some awesome parents. But then on the other hand, 309 00:14:06,400 --> 00:14:08,880 Speaker 1: it may not be a healthy view towards work, and 310 00:14:09,000 --> 00:14:10,880 Speaker 1: you know, there might be some adjustment that you find 311 00:14:11,120 --> 00:14:14,120 Speaker 1: is necessary in order for you to find your work fulfilling. Okay, 312 00:14:14,200 --> 00:14:16,880 Speaker 1: So this episode, if you are a younger worker in 313 00:14:16,920 --> 00:14:19,080 Speaker 1: the workforce, or whether you've been in the workforce for 314 00:14:19,200 --> 00:14:21,880 Speaker 1: twenty or thirty years, there are a lot of things 315 00:14:21,880 --> 00:14:24,080 Speaker 1: we're gonna help you think through in order to make 316 00:14:24,120 --> 00:14:27,240 Speaker 1: sure that you are working in an intentional manner and 317 00:14:27,240 --> 00:14:30,200 Speaker 1: that you can kind of develop your own philosophy of work. 318 00:14:30,680 --> 00:14:33,560 Speaker 1: And in particular, our healthy view of work boils down 319 00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:35,920 Speaker 1: to two essential points, and we're gonna get to those 320 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:47,800 Speaker 1: right after the break, all right, jel So, part of 321 00:14:47,800 --> 00:14:51,280 Speaker 1: the reason we wanted to talk about cultivating a healthy 322 00:14:51,360 --> 00:14:53,760 Speaker 1: view of work is because of the Fiery movement. And 323 00:14:53,800 --> 00:14:56,680 Speaker 1: we've talked about this before, but that's the financial independence, 324 00:14:56,800 --> 00:15:00,600 Speaker 1: retire early movements and the Fire movement. It's so hot 325 00:15:00,680 --> 00:15:02,960 Speaker 1: right now. So, as Hansel would say in zoo Lander, 326 00:15:03,200 --> 00:15:05,760 Speaker 1: it's got a lot of coverage recently in national media, 327 00:15:06,120 --> 00:15:09,080 Speaker 1: and the philosophy of work varies greatly in that movement. 328 00:15:09,120 --> 00:15:12,840 Speaker 1: And so even within that subset of work hard, retire early, 329 00:15:13,360 --> 00:15:16,200 Speaker 1: the folks have a lot of different views towards work. 330 00:15:16,800 --> 00:15:18,720 Speaker 1: So it turns out that there are unhealthy views of 331 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:21,480 Speaker 1: work just you know, all over the place. Yeah, And 332 00:15:21,480 --> 00:15:23,680 Speaker 1: and especially in that movement, right, Matt, Like, I feel 333 00:15:23,680 --> 00:15:26,280 Speaker 1: like there's so much we love about the Fire movement. 334 00:15:26,280 --> 00:15:28,760 Speaker 1: There's so many people in that movement that we identify with. 335 00:15:29,160 --> 00:15:31,800 Speaker 1: And the general concept, like we've talked about in our 336 00:15:31,840 --> 00:15:35,760 Speaker 1: financial independence episode that we did, is an amazing one. Yes, Like, 337 00:15:35,920 --> 00:15:38,840 Speaker 1: the goal of saving and investing well for the future 338 00:15:39,120 --> 00:15:41,600 Speaker 1: should be financial independence. That's a great goal to have 339 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:43,920 Speaker 1: and one that we should all strive for, I think. 340 00:15:44,320 --> 00:15:46,800 Speaker 1: But how you get there, that's what varies so greatly, 341 00:15:46,840 --> 00:15:49,480 Speaker 1: and that's what can be unhealthy, right, Yeah, And and specifically, 342 00:15:49,680 --> 00:15:52,320 Speaker 1: the Fire movement can lead to, if you're not careful, 343 00:15:52,440 --> 00:15:56,120 Speaker 1: a completely unhealthy view of work. That leads to maybe 344 00:15:56,280 --> 00:15:58,400 Speaker 1: working in something that you hate just for a paycheck, 345 00:15:58,760 --> 00:16:01,160 Speaker 1: or working way too many hours and enjoying the good 346 00:16:01,200 --> 00:16:03,440 Speaker 1: things that exists in your life. And so let's go 347 00:16:03,480 --> 00:16:06,080 Speaker 1: ahead and share now the sort of two main points 348 00:16:06,120 --> 00:16:09,000 Speaker 1: that we feel are essential when it comes to cultivating 349 00:16:09,080 --> 00:16:11,680 Speaker 1: that healthy view of work. Those two things are that 350 00:16:11,800 --> 00:16:15,240 Speaker 1: work is a wonderful thing, but then also that work 351 00:16:15,400 --> 00:16:18,120 Speaker 1: isn't everything. So I'll go ahead and cover the first one, 352 00:16:18,320 --> 00:16:21,400 Speaker 1: that it's a great thing. Work isn't inherently bad. A 353 00:16:21,400 --> 00:16:24,200 Speaker 1: lot of times folks sort of see it as this evil, right, 354 00:16:24,240 --> 00:16:26,400 Speaker 1: like this necessary evil. It's something that you have to do. 355 00:16:26,440 --> 00:16:31,000 Speaker 1: It's this mundane drudgery working for the weekend. Yeah, exactly, 356 00:16:31,360 --> 00:16:33,760 Speaker 1: But we all have talents and different abilities to play 357 00:16:33,800 --> 00:16:36,560 Speaker 1: our role to work in contributing to the world and 358 00:16:36,600 --> 00:16:39,280 Speaker 1: making it a better place. And so regardless of what 359 00:16:39,320 --> 00:16:41,880 Speaker 1: it is that you do, your work is important, Like 360 00:16:41,920 --> 00:16:46,880 Speaker 1: there's value there. And by creating and by contributing and 361 00:16:46,920 --> 00:16:48,720 Speaker 1: by whatever it is that you do, you know, we 362 00:16:48,800 --> 00:16:51,640 Speaker 1: bring order out of chaos. I think that's a really 363 00:16:51,720 --> 00:16:54,160 Speaker 1: important point to make matter because I think there are 364 00:16:54,200 --> 00:16:57,120 Speaker 1: people maybe working at a job that they feel like 365 00:16:57,480 --> 00:17:01,360 Speaker 1: is is not important, and or they feel like that 366 00:17:01,480 --> 00:17:03,840 Speaker 1: that what they're doing every day isn't making a difference. 367 00:17:04,200 --> 00:17:07,679 Speaker 1: But I think if we realize that work in and 368 00:17:07,720 --> 00:17:10,720 Speaker 1: of itself is a way of contributing to the world, 369 00:17:10,840 --> 00:17:13,040 Speaker 1: making it a better place. If we have that sort 370 00:17:13,080 --> 00:17:16,640 Speaker 1: of mentality going to work. It doesn't matter whether you 371 00:17:16,760 --> 00:17:20,480 Speaker 1: are scrubbing toilets or whether you're putting out a subpar 372 00:17:20,600 --> 00:17:25,200 Speaker 1: podcast like either either way, your work is meaningful because 373 00:17:25,520 --> 00:17:28,159 Speaker 1: work in and of itself is meaningful. It is like, 374 00:17:28,200 --> 00:17:31,200 Speaker 1: it is good for us. It is not a necessary evil, 375 00:17:31,960 --> 00:17:35,720 Speaker 1: is a necessary fundamental element of life for us as humans. Yeah, 376 00:17:35,760 --> 00:17:39,119 Speaker 1: there's something that's really hard to quantify doing a job 377 00:17:39,160 --> 00:17:41,680 Speaker 1: well done, right, when you know that there's something that 378 00:17:41,760 --> 00:17:45,560 Speaker 1: you've worked hard at and that you've done well well 379 00:17:45,600 --> 00:17:48,480 Speaker 1: as you can at least, and and that there's value 380 00:17:48,520 --> 00:17:52,080 Speaker 1: that people are are gleaning from that. Again, it's it's 381 00:17:52,080 --> 00:17:54,439 Speaker 1: hard to quantify aside from the money, which you can 382 00:17:54,440 --> 00:17:58,000 Speaker 1: obviously quantify, but there's something aside from that that when 383 00:17:58,000 --> 00:18:00,080 Speaker 1: you know that you're helping the people around you and 384 00:18:00,119 --> 00:18:03,640 Speaker 1: providing a service or value or a product, something that's 385 00:18:03,680 --> 00:18:06,119 Speaker 1: a good thing. Yeah. And I think to the paycheck, right, 386 00:18:06,400 --> 00:18:09,520 Speaker 1: that's a wonderful thing as well, that paycheck, that provision 387 00:18:09,640 --> 00:18:12,359 Speaker 1: that you're able to bring in for your family, for 388 00:18:12,440 --> 00:18:17,120 Speaker 1: your loved ones. That's a necessary and important part of work. Right. 389 00:18:17,160 --> 00:18:19,679 Speaker 1: You are working in order to not only provide a 390 00:18:19,720 --> 00:18:23,040 Speaker 1: service and use your talents, but you're also working in 391 00:18:23,119 --> 00:18:26,320 Speaker 1: order to provide for the people close to you, and 392 00:18:26,359 --> 00:18:28,600 Speaker 1: I think it's a meaningful element of work that people 393 00:18:28,960 --> 00:18:32,199 Speaker 1: in their desire to be completely fulfilled by what they do. 394 00:18:32,760 --> 00:18:35,359 Speaker 1: Just know that you know a paycheck, that the number 395 00:18:35,440 --> 00:18:37,720 Speaker 1: that you get every two weeks in your direct deposit. 396 00:18:38,119 --> 00:18:41,160 Speaker 1: That doesn't define you. That is not what defines work 397 00:18:41,240 --> 00:18:44,120 Speaker 1: is good or bad. But that basic element of provision 398 00:18:44,119 --> 00:18:47,120 Speaker 1: that is attached to work is a really important one 399 00:18:47,480 --> 00:18:52,159 Speaker 1: and worthy of mention. Yeah, And so the characteristic that 400 00:18:52,200 --> 00:18:55,159 Speaker 1: we're portraying right of work is that it's noble. That 401 00:18:55,320 --> 00:18:58,159 Speaker 1: is something that is good, and that's not something that 402 00:18:58,160 --> 00:19:00,040 Speaker 1: we're trying to escape from. And so, going back to 403 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:04,560 Speaker 1: the financial independence example, a lot of times work, especially 404 00:19:04,920 --> 00:19:08,440 Speaker 1: at early years in life that are high paying jobs especially, 405 00:19:08,680 --> 00:19:11,119 Speaker 1: can be viewed as a sort of necessary evil and 406 00:19:11,160 --> 00:19:13,280 Speaker 1: that it's something that you're trying to escape. And so 407 00:19:13,320 --> 00:19:15,480 Speaker 1: basically you're just trying to work as hard as you 408 00:19:15,520 --> 00:19:18,520 Speaker 1: can for as little period as possible while we're making 409 00:19:18,560 --> 00:19:21,640 Speaker 1: as much money as possible to eventually escape from work. 410 00:19:21,760 --> 00:19:23,439 Speaker 1: So that's something that you can leave behind. And what 411 00:19:23,480 --> 00:19:26,440 Speaker 1: we're saying though, is that work isn't something you're gonna 412 00:19:26,480 --> 00:19:29,080 Speaker 1: leave behind, or maybe you should consider not leaving it behind. 413 00:19:29,200 --> 00:19:31,919 Speaker 1: Maybe that's not a great aspiration. Yeah, exactly, work in 414 00:19:31,920 --> 00:19:34,640 Speaker 1: and of itself is something that is good, and maybe 415 00:19:34,640 --> 00:19:37,520 Speaker 1: that would necessitate a career change or a job change 416 00:19:37,960 --> 00:19:40,159 Speaker 1: to something that you find slightly more fulfilling. And we'll 417 00:19:40,160 --> 00:19:42,040 Speaker 1: get to the more of that later. But yeah, work 418 00:19:42,080 --> 00:19:44,120 Speaker 1: is a wonderful thing and it is not something that 419 00:19:44,160 --> 00:19:47,119 Speaker 1: you should try to be escaping. Yeah, it shouldn't be detigrated. 420 00:19:47,160 --> 00:19:51,679 Speaker 1: But also, work isn't everything. And that's another huge point. 421 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:54,199 Speaker 1: And I think, Matt, I don't know about you, but 422 00:19:54,240 --> 00:19:58,000 Speaker 1: it sure seems like the last generation fell under. You know, 423 00:19:58,040 --> 00:20:00,280 Speaker 1: these lines that work seem to be a are more 424 00:20:00,320 --> 00:20:03,440 Speaker 1: all encompassing. You almost dedicated your life to a company, 425 00:20:04,040 --> 00:20:09,320 Speaker 1: and that, in retrospect seems unhealthy. But while work is wonderful, 426 00:20:09,400 --> 00:20:12,880 Speaker 1: like we just mentioned, work isn't everything. So yeah, let's 427 00:20:12,880 --> 00:20:15,639 Speaker 1: flesh that out. Yeah, so doing something you know you 428 00:20:15,760 --> 00:20:19,639 Speaker 1: enjoy or feel passionate about is not as a necessity. 429 00:20:20,040 --> 00:20:22,240 Speaker 1: There are plenty of people out there in the world 430 00:20:22,280 --> 00:20:25,280 Speaker 1: doing jobs just because of their skill or their work history, 431 00:20:25,800 --> 00:20:27,760 Speaker 1: something that they've done for a while and so they're 432 00:20:27,800 --> 00:20:29,760 Speaker 1: pretty good at it and they're just they're used to 433 00:20:29,800 --> 00:20:33,119 Speaker 1: it or for whatever reason, right, but they may not 434 00:20:33,160 --> 00:20:36,600 Speaker 1: necessarily love that job to their core. And there are 435 00:20:36,600 --> 00:20:39,000 Speaker 1: a lot of ways to find value because of your 436 00:20:39,040 --> 00:20:42,400 Speaker 1: skill or your work history, or just developing a competency 437 00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:44,680 Speaker 1: in getting better at it. That is, I think a 438 00:20:44,680 --> 00:20:48,639 Speaker 1: core essential value of work is getting better day by 439 00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:51,560 Speaker 1: day and you find joy in kind of the mastery 440 00:20:51,560 --> 00:20:54,000 Speaker 1: that you're able to achieve why you're working. Yeah, and 441 00:20:54,040 --> 00:20:57,320 Speaker 1: so a work life balance is increasingly important to us 442 00:20:57,640 --> 00:21:00,240 Speaker 1: in our generation. The different papers out there love to 443 00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:03,479 Speaker 1: talk about how millennials love that work life balance balance 444 00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:06,560 Speaker 1: between finding fulfillment though in your work, but also knowing 445 00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:08,680 Speaker 1: that you have to have a life at the same time. 446 00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:11,520 Speaker 1: That's the balance that you want to strike. And we're 447 00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:13,680 Speaker 1: not saying that that's easy, but that's the balance that 448 00:21:13,680 --> 00:21:16,160 Speaker 1: that we're trying to strike. We're striving to to find 449 00:21:16,160 --> 00:21:18,919 Speaker 1: our identity not only in our work. Certainly, what you 450 00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:21,040 Speaker 1: do has an impact on you and how you view 451 00:21:21,080 --> 00:21:24,320 Speaker 1: the world, but that cannot be the sole source of 452 00:21:24,359 --> 00:21:27,680 Speaker 1: your identity and your fulfillment. And the truth is recognizing 453 00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:31,679 Speaker 1: that work isn't everything means that your happiness level actually 454 00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:34,760 Speaker 1: has less to do with the actual work itself than 455 00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:37,160 Speaker 1: you think it does. You can find ways to love 456 00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:40,160 Speaker 1: what you do, even and if it isn't a passion job, right, 457 00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:42,679 Speaker 1: even if even if it's not the greatest job that 458 00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:44,800 Speaker 1: you can ever imagine, you can find ways to get 459 00:21:44,800 --> 00:21:47,040 Speaker 1: better at and enjoy the work that you're currently doing, 460 00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:50,440 Speaker 1: even if you're attempting to transition at some point to 461 00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:53,080 Speaker 1: do something that you love more. Yeah, Joel, And that 462 00:21:53,160 --> 00:21:56,200 Speaker 1: specifically makes me think of a recent episode we did 463 00:21:56,240 --> 00:21:58,520 Speaker 1: on All We We called it Buying Happiness like your 464 00:21:58,560 --> 00:22:02,280 Speaker 1: Brain and Money, but that entire episode was all about 465 00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:08,880 Speaker 1: hedonic adaptation. Fancy scientific term hedonic adaptation if you haven't 466 00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:10,600 Speaker 1: listened to that one, by the way, Honestly, I think 467 00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:13,359 Speaker 1: that's one of our most important episodes, like in the 468 00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:17,080 Speaker 1: past six months. Yeah, I think unless you understand the 469 00:22:17,119 --> 00:22:19,640 Speaker 1: way that your brain works in that, unless you understand 470 00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:22,880 Speaker 1: your bent as a human, it's gonna be really hard 471 00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:26,680 Speaker 1: to kind of counteract those natural instincts. And so, yeah, 472 00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:29,280 Speaker 1: I think it's a really important concept to understand because 473 00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:33,879 Speaker 1: it is the way humans act when they're thinking about money, 474 00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:37,639 Speaker 1: the future, their own happiness, and we have to we 475 00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:40,160 Speaker 1: have to understand that that's true about ourselves in order 476 00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:43,560 Speaker 1: to make changes they will be able to benefit us positively. Yeah, yeah, 477 00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:45,600 Speaker 1: that's right. And so so back to like work, right 478 00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:48,439 Speaker 1: in a job that may not be, at least on paper, 479 00:22:48,560 --> 00:22:50,720 Speaker 1: the most of a filling job. So we talked about 480 00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:53,719 Speaker 1: buying that happiness and the hedonic adaptation, and we cited 481 00:22:53,800 --> 00:22:56,639 Speaker 1: a study, uh in that episode where it was talking 482 00:22:56,640 --> 00:22:59,880 Speaker 1: about how that we have control over about our own 483 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:05,480 Speaker 1: happiness and only about ten percent is affected by actual circumstances. 484 00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:08,439 Speaker 1: And so in this case, I think our jobs, you know, 485 00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:10,520 Speaker 1: whatever perfect or not perfect job that you might have, 486 00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:14,040 Speaker 1: that's only ten and then another set by the craft 487 00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:16,800 Speaker 1: beer that you're drinking right now. But what we're saying, though, 488 00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:20,920 Speaker 1: is that you basically have control over of your own 489 00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:24,720 Speaker 1: happiness and that in reality, your job or your circumstances 490 00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:27,320 Speaker 1: as a very small impact on your happiness, in fact, 491 00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:30,000 Speaker 1: about ten percent. And so just keep that in mind 492 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:32,680 Speaker 1: when it comes to the mindset of oh, I've got 493 00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:34,320 Speaker 1: to find the perfect job, or I've got to find 494 00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:37,920 Speaker 1: the calling or where I feel the most fulfilled. That 495 00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:40,320 Speaker 1: is not necessarily true, Like Joel said, a second ago. 496 00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:42,240 Speaker 1: It has way less to do with the work, the 497 00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:44,719 Speaker 1: actual work itself, and it has way more to do 498 00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:47,919 Speaker 1: with your mindset and just how you approach it. Yeah. So, 499 00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:52,040 Speaker 1: if you feel like you're in the position of feeling 500 00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:54,560 Speaker 1: you need to run away from work, that your job 501 00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:56,800 Speaker 1: is killing you, that your life would be so much 502 00:23:56,840 --> 00:23:58,640 Speaker 1: better right if you didn't have to go to work 503 00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:01,160 Speaker 1: every day, I feel like thinking about work in these 504 00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:03,600 Speaker 1: terms and seeing how you can approach your job, thinking 505 00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:06,600 Speaker 1: of it as a wonderful thing that brings provision to 506 00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:09,720 Speaker 1: your yourself and your family and gives you that ability 507 00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:12,880 Speaker 1: to contribute to society and make the world a better place, 508 00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:15,920 Speaker 1: but also realizing that work isn't everything. If you can 509 00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:19,119 Speaker 1: kind of hold those things simultaneously together in your life, 510 00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:22,919 Speaker 1: it can help you reframe the job that you're currently 511 00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:25,840 Speaker 1: at and also help you set goals to think about 512 00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:28,720 Speaker 1: what sort of work you ultimately want to do and 513 00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:31,160 Speaker 1: that you feel like you'd be better at and potentially 514 00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:34,840 Speaker 1: provide more value to to the place where you currently work. Dude, 515 00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:38,560 Speaker 1: this makes me think of Micro. Everyone knows Micro if 516 00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:41,520 Speaker 1: you don't, though Dirty Jobs. It was his television show 517 00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:45,000 Speaker 1: and essentially he rides along with somebody that has typically 518 00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:49,560 Speaker 1: a really dirty or gross job. They're like cleaning septic 519 00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:53,240 Speaker 1: tanks or like trudging through sewer systems, whatever it may be. Yeah, 520 00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:56,040 Speaker 1: like things that you would typically say are disgusting and terrible. 521 00:24:56,600 --> 00:24:59,080 Speaker 1: But in this Ted Sockets, I mean, it's beautiful and 522 00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:01,240 Speaker 1: it's just really inspired ring. But he talks about how 523 00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:05,040 Speaker 1: these folks, these employees, these workers that are doing these jobs, 524 00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:08,520 Speaker 1: have found value in what they do. Into the eyes 525 00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:12,359 Speaker 1: of society in the world who sort of puts down work, 526 00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:16,679 Speaker 1: especially hard work, hard dirty labor. He raises it and 527 00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:19,080 Speaker 1: he elevates it and says that, look, this is something 528 00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:22,120 Speaker 1: that these people have figured out that a they can 529 00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:25,719 Speaker 1: do well and for whatever reasons, they they found value 530 00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:27,399 Speaker 1: in that, and they and they prize that, and they 531 00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:29,640 Speaker 1: and they're proud of what they do. But I would 532 00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:32,320 Speaker 1: encourage anyone who's i mean heard of micro or even not, 533 00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:34,320 Speaker 1: but be sure to check out that link. It's it's 534 00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:35,679 Speaker 1: a Ted we'll put it up on our in our 535 00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:38,080 Speaker 1: show notes on the website. But it's a Ted talk 536 00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:40,119 Speaker 1: and it's it's kind of old. I think it's ten 537 00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:43,600 Speaker 1: years old or something like that, but it's just fantastic 538 00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:46,239 Speaker 1: and if you're in a position where you feel like 539 00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:50,520 Speaker 1: your job isn't fulfilling, or you know, you feel that 540 00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:52,240 Speaker 1: whatever it is that you do is kind of being 541 00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:55,679 Speaker 1: put down by society and just the sort of general 542 00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:58,320 Speaker 1: attitude of our culture. I feel like Mike is one 543 00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:01,480 Speaker 1: of the best speakers on work today. He just thinks 544 00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:05,120 Speaker 1: about it, conceptualizes it well. And for me, I love 545 00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:07,800 Speaker 1: what I do. I love my day job, but even 546 00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:10,480 Speaker 1: I get bummed sometimes and it doesn't feel like I 547 00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:13,280 Speaker 1: wanted to feel, or that day just didn't go very well. 548 00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:15,200 Speaker 1: And it always helps for me to kind of come 549 00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:18,080 Speaker 1: back to this framework, like, Okay, what's important about what 550 00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:20,720 Speaker 1: I do? How am I growing? How am I serving 551 00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:23,360 Speaker 1: and helping? And you know what, it reframes a bad 552 00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:26,320 Speaker 1: day or a bad week, or a crummy situation or 553 00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:28,359 Speaker 1: a task that I don't really want to perform, and 554 00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:31,080 Speaker 1: it kind of helps me look at the overall ways 555 00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:33,159 Speaker 1: that I'm able to serve others in my job and 556 00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:35,600 Speaker 1: even just honestly serve my family through the provision that 557 00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:38,720 Speaker 1: the job brings. It's such a good and powerful way 558 00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:41,239 Speaker 1: to think about my work because it's easy, even if 559 00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:43,280 Speaker 1: you like what you do, to get bummed out, like 560 00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:45,560 Speaker 1: maybe on a day by day basis based on just 561 00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:47,840 Speaker 1: the circumstances that are happening, and it just really helps 562 00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:50,119 Speaker 1: to have this framework to hold your job up against, 563 00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:53,240 Speaker 1: to to see all the benefits that it is bringing 564 00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:56,040 Speaker 1: into your life. We're gonna talk about ways that you 565 00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:59,200 Speaker 1: can move towards a healthier view of work. We're gonna 566 00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:10,919 Speaker 1: get to that right for this short break. Okay, So 567 00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:14,120 Speaker 1: when it comes to creating your own philosophy towards work, 568 00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:16,960 Speaker 1: when it comes to cultivating right your own healthy view 569 00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:19,280 Speaker 1: of work, what you need to keep in mind is 570 00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:22,560 Speaker 1: that it's a balance. Again. Work isn't this terrible thing 571 00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:25,720 Speaker 1: that we're trying to escape from, but it's also not everything. 572 00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:28,800 Speaker 1: It shouldn't be the only thing that defines you. So 573 00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:33,640 Speaker 1: here is what you need to remember, Joel kick it off. Yeah, man, 574 00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:37,000 Speaker 1: It's important to find fulfillment in your work, in your 575 00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:40,520 Speaker 1: daily job by taking stock of what you actually do, 576 00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:42,560 Speaker 1: in the value that you do bring to others. So, 577 00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:44,920 Speaker 1: like I was talking about that, that helps me reframe 578 00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:47,959 Speaker 1: my job all in the days that I don't feel 579 00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:51,920 Speaker 1: like your feelings don't always align with what's true, right, 580 00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:54,040 Speaker 1: So some days I just feel like I didn't do 581 00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:56,720 Speaker 1: a good job, Like what I did didn't matter. It 582 00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:59,560 Speaker 1: wasn't a fun day, right, Maybe I didn't have a 583 00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:03,479 Speaker 1: great action with a coworker, or the day just fell flat, right, 584 00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:05,879 Speaker 1: it just didn't It didn't go the way I wanted 585 00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:08,480 Speaker 1: it to. And I'm just down about my job in general. 586 00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:10,639 Speaker 1: And I don't have many of those days, but I 587 00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:13,200 Speaker 1: do have those days. And so by doing this, by 588 00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:15,879 Speaker 1: kind of taking stock and writing those things down, what 589 00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:18,359 Speaker 1: what do I actually do that matters? And what value 590 00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:20,800 Speaker 1: am I bringing to others in my job that can 591 00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:24,520 Speaker 1: kind of help make a potentially mundane job truly rewarding 592 00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:27,280 Speaker 1: and satisfying in a way that you wouldn't have seen before. 593 00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:29,639 Speaker 1: If you don't kind of think about it in those terms, 594 00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:34,680 Speaker 1: think about your job only as a checklist of tasks 595 00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:37,200 Speaker 1: that you are able to check off. I mean, that's 596 00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:40,160 Speaker 1: that's not helpful. Work is so much more meaningful than 597 00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:42,920 Speaker 1: than just a checklist. And something else to keep in 598 00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:45,520 Speaker 1: mind too, is that it's just amazing, right that we 599 00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:48,600 Speaker 1: have a flexibility to choose a work, that we have options, 600 00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:51,240 Speaker 1: and so we need to appreciate that. And most of 601 00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:54,520 Speaker 1: human history didn't have the option to to choose work 602 00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:56,280 Speaker 1: that they want to do and work that they didn't 603 00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:59,920 Speaker 1: want to do, like they were just concerned with surviving, right, 604 00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:02,320 Speaker 1: Like they just didn't want to die, like dysentery, like 605 00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:07,240 Speaker 1: an Oregon trail. Uh yeah, or familial expectations were higher, 606 00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:09,760 Speaker 1: and oh yeah, and you worked in the same work 607 00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:13,200 Speaker 1: that your father did. And and oftentimes many women weren't 608 00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:15,720 Speaker 1: allowed to work or weren't allowed to work in in 609 00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:19,280 Speaker 1: certain occupations and so that that sucks. And so it's 610 00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:21,720 Speaker 1: just amazing. Let's take a little bit of time to 611 00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:24,640 Speaker 1: think about the fact that, whether you're college educated or not, 612 00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:27,959 Speaker 1: doors are open in today's society that wouldn't have been 613 00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:30,240 Speaker 1: open to so many of us a hundred, two hundred, 614 00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:33,400 Speaker 1: three hundred years ago. And it's just kind of amazing 615 00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:36,080 Speaker 1: that that we have that ability, this this culture and 616 00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:38,320 Speaker 1: this free market system, that we're able to start our 617 00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:40,960 Speaker 1: own business, create our own thing, and put it out 618 00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:42,920 Speaker 1: there in the world and kind of see what happens. 619 00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:45,560 Speaker 1: And man, I just think it's so cool and worth 620 00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:49,200 Speaker 1: kind of reveling in that reality. And so something else 621 00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:52,120 Speaker 1: to consider when you're creating a healthier view towards work 622 00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:55,000 Speaker 1: is ask yourself the question do I have a life 623 00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:57,920 Speaker 1: outside of work? Considering that we spend so much time 624 00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:00,640 Speaker 1: on the clock working, it's not a surprise eyes that 625 00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:02,800 Speaker 1: we'd be tempted into putting too much of our self 626 00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:06,280 Speaker 1: worth into our work. You know, we spent half of 627 00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:10,200 Speaker 1: our waking hours doing a task. Whatever it is that 628 00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:13,600 Speaker 1: your job is right and man. For me personally, uh, 629 00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:16,360 Speaker 1: finding too much of my self worth and my identity 630 00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:20,160 Speaker 1: in my work was largely related to my age, like 631 00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:22,840 Speaker 1: a life stage sort of thing. And so I know 632 00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:24,960 Speaker 1: for me early on, right, if I didn't I didn't 633 00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:27,600 Speaker 1: have as much going on. And so for me, being 634 00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:32,040 Speaker 1: a creative sort of photographer, that was a huge hat 635 00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:34,280 Speaker 1: that I wore because I didn't have that many other hats. 636 00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:36,960 Speaker 1: I didn't have that many responsibilities. And because I didn't 637 00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:39,840 Speaker 1: have that many responsibilities, the few responsibilities that I did 638 00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:43,040 Speaker 1: have were a big deal to me, and unfortunately, I 639 00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:47,160 Speaker 1: think they became overly important. And I think that that's 640 00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:49,760 Speaker 1: just something you gain with time and just getting a 641 00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:52,200 Speaker 1: little bit older. Right like now I've got married, i've 642 00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:55,280 Speaker 1: got kids, i'm a neighbor, i'm a board member, i'm 643 00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:59,600 Speaker 1: a best friend. Right, that's you. But there's just there's 644 00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:02,880 Speaker 1: other polls on my life. And because of that, it's 645 00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:05,600 Speaker 1: not that I don't work as hard as I used 646 00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:08,480 Speaker 1: to in my job. I still work crazy hard in 647 00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:12,480 Speaker 1: doing what I do. However, I don't find my identity 648 00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:15,560 Speaker 1: tied up into that, and I'm able to do really 649 00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:18,000 Speaker 1: good work and work just as hard, but just with 650 00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:20,680 Speaker 1: a proper and more healthy perspective. I have a better 651 00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:23,240 Speaker 1: advantage now than I did I guess more at the 652 00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:26,480 Speaker 1: beginning of my career. And it's just kind of amazing 653 00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:28,880 Speaker 1: to see how just the progression of time, right, Like 654 00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:31,200 Speaker 1: there's wisdom in years and I just hope that I 655 00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:33,520 Speaker 1: realized that even now still that there's still so much 656 00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:36,400 Speaker 1: more to learn as I continue to age. But yeah, 657 00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:40,080 Speaker 1: it's it's it's crazy just how our views of work 658 00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:43,760 Speaker 1: and jobs change over time, and hopefully, you know, they 659 00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:45,800 Speaker 1: change for the better. Yeah. I'm not sure if this 660 00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:47,760 Speaker 1: is the right way to put it or not, but 661 00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:50,960 Speaker 1: I think it's important to take pride in your work, 662 00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:54,800 Speaker 1: but not to be prideful about your work, right, I 663 00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:57,280 Speaker 1: think it oftentimes it can be the other way around, 664 00:31:57,280 --> 00:31:59,360 Speaker 1: and I found that to be true, especially my younger self, 665 00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:02,000 Speaker 1: that it was easy to be kind of prideful about 666 00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:04,760 Speaker 1: what I did and take less pride in the actual 667 00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:08,440 Speaker 1: doing and creating and work itself. So I think ways 668 00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:11,600 Speaker 1: to kind of avoid that trap are to look outside 669 00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:13,640 Speaker 1: of your job and look for the things that do 670 00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:17,680 Speaker 1: bring you joy and add value to your life. That's 671 00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:21,040 Speaker 1: stuff like relationships, important activities that you can be evolved in, 672 00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:24,200 Speaker 1: Causes that you can participate in that bring joy to others, 673 00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:26,920 Speaker 1: not just to yourself. It's easy to look to a 674 00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:29,240 Speaker 1: job for that sense of fulfillment. You might be able 675 00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:31,959 Speaker 1: to get that temporarily, but ultimately it doesn't provide it 676 00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:34,400 Speaker 1: over the long haul, and you're gonna have those bad days. 677 00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:36,120 Speaker 1: Like I said, even in a job that you love 678 00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:38,400 Speaker 1: or you feel called to or something like that or 679 00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:40,960 Speaker 1: you feel deeply passionate about. Even if you're one of 680 00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:42,760 Speaker 1: the fortunate people to get to work at a job 681 00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:44,800 Speaker 1: where you feel like that's the case, you're gonna have 682 00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:46,960 Speaker 1: those down times. And if you don't have a framework, 683 00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:48,760 Speaker 1: and if you don't have those other things in your 684 00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:51,120 Speaker 1: life that matter on top of it, it's gonna be 685 00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:53,640 Speaker 1: really hard to to get through those tough times. And 686 00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:56,200 Speaker 1: all that to say too that it's okay to love 687 00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:58,920 Speaker 1: your work and to love your job, especially early on 688 00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:01,840 Speaker 1: when you're starting something new like a new position, or 689 00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:04,720 Speaker 1: even harder to not be excited about is when you're 690 00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:07,680 Speaker 1: starting a new business, like something that you are pouring 691 00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:11,720 Speaker 1: yourself into. It is okay and expected that you would 692 00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:13,560 Speaker 1: be crazy excited about that, and that you're going to 693 00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:17,200 Speaker 1: be pouring a disproportionate amount of yourself into that and 694 00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:19,720 Speaker 1: finding you know, a large amount of your identity in 695 00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:22,520 Speaker 1: that as well. But just keep that in mind and 696 00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:24,800 Speaker 1: know that hopefully that's maybe for a shorter period of 697 00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:27,000 Speaker 1: time that you can hopefully get to a more healthy 698 00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:29,840 Speaker 1: and balanced point. And also to a sort of similar 699 00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:32,600 Speaker 1: to that, I think it's okay for folks who are 700 00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:35,400 Speaker 1: really into their work for their work and for their 701 00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:38,360 Speaker 1: job to kind of be the initial structure of those 702 00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:42,160 Speaker 1: additional things like relationships, activities, and causes let that you 703 00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:45,320 Speaker 1: just mentioned, Joel, but just know that those things should 704 00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:48,280 Speaker 1: be outside of your actual work. You might consider them 705 00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:51,480 Speaker 1: your work friends, but hopefully they're not just your work friends, 706 00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:54,440 Speaker 1: they're your friend friends. They turn into real friends exactly, 707 00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:57,000 Speaker 1: And so it's okay for that structure and for you 708 00:33:57,040 --> 00:33:59,400 Speaker 1: to find fulfillment and for you to find ways to 709 00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:02,560 Speaker 1: get involved with community, all these things through the organization 710 00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:05,880 Speaker 1: of your work, but that hopefully that that expands beyond 711 00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:08,520 Speaker 1: the walls of the office. And I think it's important 712 00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:10,160 Speaker 1: too that you said it is an ebb and flow, 713 00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:12,640 Speaker 1: because I think there are times they're gonna be seasons 714 00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:15,480 Speaker 1: where months or years where work seems to take like 715 00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:17,719 Speaker 1: an elevated place in your life, and then there they're 716 00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:20,880 Speaker 1: gonna be other seasons where work is demoded because of 717 00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:24,399 Speaker 1: other things happening that take take on more importance. Maybe 718 00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:26,600 Speaker 1: it's to spend more time with your young children. Maybe 719 00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:29,480 Speaker 1: it's a health struggle of a family member and you 720 00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:31,520 Speaker 1: just have to be there more for that, Or maybe 721 00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:33,759 Speaker 1: it's just a shift in priorities in general. You know, 722 00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:35,319 Speaker 1: whatever it is, but you have to be willing to 723 00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:37,440 Speaker 1: let it ebb and flow in that way. And I 724 00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:40,200 Speaker 1: feel like cultivating a healthy view of work will allow 725 00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:43,439 Speaker 1: for you to have that change over time, that ebb 726 00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:45,600 Speaker 1: and flow, And if you don't, it's gonna be hard. 727 00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:48,320 Speaker 1: If it's really rigid philosophy of work that doesn't allow 728 00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:51,960 Speaker 1: for any deviation over time and for different seasons, it's 729 00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:54,640 Speaker 1: gonna be a heck of a lot harder. So cultivating 730 00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:57,560 Speaker 1: a healthy view of work also realizes that that ebb 731 00:34:57,560 --> 00:34:59,920 Speaker 1: and flow is something that's gonna happen. And speaking of 732 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:02,400 Speaker 1: ebbing and flowing, I think it's really important for people 733 00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:06,200 Speaker 1: to consider ways to cut out unnecessary work that they 734 00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:09,360 Speaker 1: have in their lives. We all remember going to school 735 00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:12,920 Speaker 1: and our teachers giving us busy work. It was literally 736 00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:16,080 Speaker 1: something just to keep us busy so we didn't destroy 737 00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:20,280 Speaker 1: the classroom while while they were grading papers. Right, and 738 00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:23,520 Speaker 1: busy work is something that we find ourselves getting into 739 00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:26,719 Speaker 1: even in professional work in the workforce, whether it's our 740 00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:29,439 Speaker 1: own business or whether we're working for somebody else, it's 741 00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:32,440 Speaker 1: really easy to find things that occupy our time but 742 00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:35,560 Speaker 1: aren't necessarily moving the needle or changing the bottom line. 743 00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:38,759 Speaker 1: There are wrote habits that we get into. They are 744 00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:42,200 Speaker 1: ways that we work inefficiently, and many of those tasks 745 00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:43,640 Speaker 1: or the things that we're doing are just things that 746 00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:45,880 Speaker 1: we should cut out all together. And Matt, we had 747 00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:49,360 Speaker 1: a recent hangout a podcast meet up here in Atlanta 748 00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:55,000 Speaker 1: at a local brewery and there's this awesome dude, Bradley, Yeah, 749 00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:57,400 Speaker 1: listener to the show, and we were talking about kind 750 00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:00,440 Speaker 1: of how he structures his work. And I loved his story. Man. 751 00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:03,200 Speaker 1: He was saying that he used to work eight hours 752 00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:05,239 Speaker 1: for this one company, and then he was able to 753 00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:06,880 Speaker 1: get it to where he could work from home, and 754 00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:09,719 Speaker 1: he realized that he could get all of the things 755 00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:12,960 Speaker 1: he needed to get done in essentially like four hours, 756 00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:16,279 Speaker 1: and so he, yeah, he was able to work half 757 00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:18,640 Speaker 1: days whereas he going to the office he had to 758 00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:21,040 Speaker 1: like look busy, but to his boss, is working from home, 759 00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:22,920 Speaker 1: they were still getting the same amount of productivity out 760 00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:25,200 Speaker 1: of it, right, And then so he realized, well, all right, 761 00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:27,319 Speaker 1: I'm gonna ask this job if I can go part time, 762 00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:31,200 Speaker 1: And he took on two more jobs with different companies 763 00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:35,080 Speaker 1: that he could employ that same skill set, and he 764 00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:39,080 Speaker 1: was able to massively improve what he earned and massively 765 00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:41,680 Speaker 1: decrease the amount of time that he had to work. 766 00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:44,200 Speaker 1: It was just kind of inspiring to see, Okay, yeah, 767 00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:46,440 Speaker 1: you're right, there's a lot of wasted time and effort 768 00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:48,279 Speaker 1: when it comes to work, and if you can figure 769 00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:51,360 Speaker 1: out a creative way to minimize how much you're working, 770 00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:54,080 Speaker 1: so you're amplifying the things that bring the most value 771 00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:57,359 Speaker 1: to your employer, and you're minimizing those things that are 772 00:36:57,440 --> 00:37:00,400 Speaker 1: just time wasters and time sucks and don't do anything. 773 00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:03,280 Speaker 1: It's just interesting to see how Bradley kind of created 774 00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:06,839 Speaker 1: a work environment that was so much better for him 775 00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:09,279 Speaker 1: and still provides a lot of value out there in 776 00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:12,440 Speaker 1: the economy. Yeah, and and his whole reason for that, 777 00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:15,000 Speaker 1: Matt was was truly because he had a newborn son 778 00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:16,879 Speaker 1: and he wanted to spend more time with his son. 779 00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:19,439 Speaker 1: And he realized not only was he able to cut 780 00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:21,600 Speaker 1: down in his overall work hours, and so now he 781 00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:24,440 Speaker 1: says he wakes up at seven, he does his morning routine, 782 00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:26,520 Speaker 1: he works from eight to noon or eight to one 783 00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:28,600 Speaker 1: at the latest, and then he has the rest of 784 00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:31,040 Speaker 1: the afternoon to hang out with his family. And so 785 00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:33,680 Speaker 1: he's still he's working more jobs, that's awesome than he was, 786 00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:36,960 Speaker 1: but he's working fewer hours and he's spending more time 787 00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:39,800 Speaker 1: than he was able to before on that life outside 788 00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:42,400 Speaker 1: of work with his family, and that obviously is like 789 00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:45,920 Speaker 1: a huge benefit to his life. Thanks man, I'm jealous 790 00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:49,120 Speaker 1: of that life hack. An optimization that he was able 791 00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:51,839 Speaker 1: to do. Uh, something that you also want to keep 792 00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:55,080 Speaker 1: in mind when you're cultivating that healthy view towards work 793 00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:57,799 Speaker 1: is that to know that it is okay to be 794 00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:01,080 Speaker 1: ambitious and to challenge yourself, and so keep your mind 795 00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:04,880 Speaker 1: open and look for the new opportunities as you grow. Obviously, 796 00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:07,759 Speaker 1: this could be inside your current company, like taking a 797 00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:11,480 Speaker 1: managerial role, or you could even be outside doing a 798 00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:14,440 Speaker 1: side hustle or you know, maybe even starting your own 799 00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:17,880 Speaker 1: legit small business. It's okay to work hard. We're not 800 00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:20,040 Speaker 1: trying to say that, you know, you have to only 801 00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:22,400 Speaker 1: have a life outside of work. Work is important too, 802 00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:24,520 Speaker 1: and that's what's so maybe difficult about this topic is 803 00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:28,160 Speaker 1: that it's a balance. We're saying that find fulfillment in 804 00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:31,160 Speaker 1: your work but also find fulfillment outside of your work. 805 00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:34,520 Speaker 1: Bottom line is tricky, and it's difficult to maintain that balance, 806 00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:36,759 Speaker 1: but it's something that overall, when it comes to your 807 00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:40,719 Speaker 1: view of work, that you're striving to maintain and also 808 00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:44,120 Speaker 1: consider moving towards a career or a job that provides 809 00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:46,720 Speaker 1: you know, more day to day fulfillment. If you truly 810 00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:52,440 Speaker 1: feel a lack of enjoyment and can't find much gratitude 811 00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:54,239 Speaker 1: in what you are doing day to day, I mean, 812 00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:57,120 Speaker 1: I think there are ways to improve on that right 813 00:38:57,160 --> 00:39:00,200 Speaker 1: now in what you're doing, like we've said, but it's 814 00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:02,760 Speaker 1: also okay to start working towards another career or another 815 00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:04,520 Speaker 1: job where you feel like you can be of more 816 00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:07,880 Speaker 1: service and finding a career that does seem to reflect 817 00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:11,000 Speaker 1: your innate gifts maybe a little bit better. But just 818 00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:14,040 Speaker 1: realized too that the grass isn't always greener, and that 819 00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:17,360 Speaker 1: shifting careers might not bring you the happiness that you 820 00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:20,480 Speaker 1: think it's going to, because a job, although a wonderful thing, 821 00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:23,520 Speaker 1: like we said, it's not everything. And that new job, 822 00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:27,720 Speaker 1: you know, likelihood isn't going to change your whole life 823 00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:30,120 Speaker 1: in the ways that you might think it does from 824 00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:32,759 Speaker 1: the outside looking in. So I want to mention that 825 00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:35,120 Speaker 1: when I was first starting out, I wanted to work 826 00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:38,000 Speaker 1: in radio. That was truly something I felt kind of 827 00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:40,880 Speaker 1: called to do, That was truly a career that resonated 828 00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:44,000 Speaker 1: with me deeply, and I loved the medium. I loved 829 00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:46,520 Speaker 1: the impact that you could have through like long form 830 00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:49,239 Speaker 1: audio content. I just thought it was so cool. But 831 00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:51,560 Speaker 1: for a long time I had to work two jobs. 832 00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:54,200 Speaker 1: I was part time making very little money, and I 833 00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:58,120 Speaker 1: was pressure washing houses every morning for quite a while 834 00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:00,520 Speaker 1: while I was part time in radio. But I was 835 00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:03,279 Speaker 1: making small changes along the way. You know, while I 836 00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:06,920 Speaker 1: was working two jobs, even one job manual labor that 837 00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:09,040 Speaker 1: I didn't enjoy at all, I was able to think 838 00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:12,560 Speaker 1: about that as a stepping stone, realizing that it wasn't 839 00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:15,080 Speaker 1: for forever, and it was just kind of a part 840 00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:17,840 Speaker 1: of me moving and growing and changing and getting to 841 00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:20,840 Speaker 1: where I wanted to be. And so just an encouragement 842 00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:24,000 Speaker 1: to you folks out there who are maybe working two jobs, 843 00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:27,120 Speaker 1: or currently in a job that isn't super fulfilling, or 844 00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:30,040 Speaker 1: actually you don't like it at all, keep working towards 845 00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:33,160 Speaker 1: that ultimate goal of a career change or moving up 846 00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:35,880 Speaker 1: in your job. Just because we think you can find 847 00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:38,600 Speaker 1: a level of fulfillment in what you're doing right now 848 00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:42,200 Speaker 1: doesn't mean that you shouldn't create goals to move yourself 849 00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:44,439 Speaker 1: forward in a way that is going to be better 850 00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:47,480 Speaker 1: for you and your family. Jill, if you still have 851 00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:49,279 Speaker 1: the same career or the same job that you did 852 00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:52,279 Speaker 1: when you filled out your first W four, what would 853 00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:55,040 Speaker 1: you be doing right now? I'll be running the drive 854 00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:57,280 Speaker 1: through a Chick fil A, buddy, would you really? Yeah? 855 00:40:57,480 --> 00:40:59,279 Speaker 1: I read you talking about chick flate before. I wasn't 856 00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:01,120 Speaker 1: sure if that was your first. That was my first 857 00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:03,840 Speaker 1: legit job. I I mowed lawns too, but that was 858 00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:07,800 Speaker 1: like obviously super on the side with twenty dollar cash handouts, 859 00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:10,879 Speaker 1: pay me under the table cash only. I'm a kid. 860 00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:13,080 Speaker 1: Don't tell the I r S. But I wasn't filing 861 00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:15,200 Speaker 1: tax returns on that money. Yeah. If I kept my 862 00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:18,880 Speaker 1: original job, I would be a cartboy at a golf course. 863 00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:21,680 Speaker 1: Those are good first jobs, man, I feel like, yeah, 864 00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:24,000 Speaker 1: driving around the golf cart, spraying them off, getting them clean, 865 00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:26,120 Speaker 1: free riding all over the place like like you just 866 00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:28,759 Speaker 1: do when you're sixteen and nothing else to do. Are 867 00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:30,000 Speaker 1: you able to just to do whatever you want and 868 00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:33,440 Speaker 1: you've got wheels? Yeah, Matt, those first jobs were super 869 00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:38,080 Speaker 1: fun and honestly really valuable. I think in in learning 870 00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:40,439 Speaker 1: a little bit about cultivating a healthy view of work, 871 00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:43,040 Speaker 1: even working just in those early years. But luckily we 872 00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:46,400 Speaker 1: don't still have them. Although I tell you what, I 873 00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:50,200 Speaker 1: would go back to my job as photo lab technician 874 00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:53,600 Speaker 1: at Eckered Pharmacy and a heartbeat. I've never heard heard 875 00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:56,200 Speaker 1: you talk about that one. That was really fun. Basically 876 00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:58,080 Speaker 1: I got to talk to people about their vacations a lot. 877 00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:01,960 Speaker 1: Share that next time. All right, back to the beer 878 00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:04,839 Speaker 1: Matt Hawaiian Christmas Land by a little cottage brewery are 879 00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:08,399 Speaker 1: Pal John who brews beer out of his garage, and 880 00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:12,960 Speaker 1: this is a stout conditioned on vanilla beans, coconut, macadamia nuts, 881 00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:16,239 Speaker 1: and conut coffee. I guarantee that this is the best 882 00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:20,239 Speaker 1: garage beer that anyone is making out of a unconditioned 883 00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:25,600 Speaker 1: room where they also store gasoline and lawnmars. I'm assuming 884 00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:27,239 Speaker 1: he has those things into the garage because it's just 885 00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:30,600 Speaker 1: normal garage stuff. But yeah, but the quality of beer 886 00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:33,880 Speaker 1: that he's making on his own is just constantly blows 887 00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:37,319 Speaker 1: my mind. Yeah, this this one another outstanding beer of his. 888 00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:40,200 Speaker 1: And we both used one word to describe the beer 889 00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:43,480 Speaker 1: at the beginning of the podcast, and my word was oily. 890 00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:46,839 Speaker 1: I'll tell you, honestly, it's more of the texture, Okay, Yeah, 891 00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:50,440 Speaker 1: like the weight, the weight, the way the way it poured, 892 00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:53,279 Speaker 1: the way it hits your tongue. It's very oily in 893 00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:56,240 Speaker 1: in just kind of its essence. The flavors are amazing, 894 00:42:56,280 --> 00:42:58,839 Speaker 1: They pop and you kind of get a little bit 895 00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:01,080 Speaker 1: of all those things I read out. Especially, I feel 896 00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:05,200 Speaker 1: like the macadamia nuts, it really sticks out. It's really 897 00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:07,000 Speaker 1: fun beer, because I don't think I've ever had one 898 00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:09,080 Speaker 1: that tastes me quiet like this. Yeah, dude, I am 899 00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:11,880 Speaker 1: totally with you on the macadamia nut, the vanilla um 900 00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:13,880 Speaker 1: a little less on the coffee. It's not sort of 901 00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:17,279 Speaker 1: one of these kind of bitter chocolate stouts. It's this 902 00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:20,680 Speaker 1: sweet decadence, which is why I said decadent. Is that 903 00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:24,040 Speaker 1: what I said? Right? It? But it feels decadent. It's 904 00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:25,879 Speaker 1: a dessert beer into sense, and I think us sharing 905 00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:28,040 Speaker 1: a twelve ounce bottle, like we each are put down 906 00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:31,279 Speaker 1: six ounces of this is perfect. It's it's like a 907 00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:36,960 Speaker 1: perfect dessert chocolate, vanilla, macadamia nut cake cookie combo deal. 908 00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:39,640 Speaker 1: I don't even know, but just all the flavors coming together. 909 00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:42,120 Speaker 1: It's it's heavier on the tongue like that, but there's 910 00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:45,239 Speaker 1: enough flavor there to warrant that heaviness. And because of that, man, 911 00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:48,439 Speaker 1: I think this is an amazing beer. And yet again 912 00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:51,800 Speaker 1: totally impressed by by our buddy John. Yeah, so thanks John, 913 00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:53,799 Speaker 1: and fun to drink this Christmas beer with you. Man 914 00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:55,960 Speaker 1: during the season. I mean, basically, everything is better when 915 00:43:55,960 --> 00:44:00,359 Speaker 1: you drink beer. So Christmas just got better. Alright, let's 916 00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:03,440 Speaker 1: get to our final thoughts on the topic of cultivating 917 00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:05,600 Speaker 1: a healthy view of work, and man, it's a huge problem. 918 00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:08,400 Speaker 1: Most people just don't think intentionally about work, and we 919 00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:10,120 Speaker 1: think that's where you need to start. And the two 920 00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:13,279 Speaker 1: main points that will kind of help you reframe your 921 00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:17,160 Speaker 1: idea of work are that work is simultaneously both a 922 00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:20,360 Speaker 1: wonderful thing and then it also isn't everything. You have 923 00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:22,080 Speaker 1: to be able to hold both of those realities at 924 00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:24,319 Speaker 1: the same time in order to kind of develop that 925 00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:27,440 Speaker 1: proper view towards work. That's right, Joel, It's a balance, right, 926 00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:29,520 Speaker 1: And so some things to keep in mind when you 927 00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:32,719 Speaker 1: are developing your own healthy view of work is to 928 00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:36,200 Speaker 1: consider the fulfillment that you currently have in your work 929 00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:39,799 Speaker 1: by taking stock of what you are actually doing appreciate 930 00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:42,239 Speaker 1: those things. Is ask yourself the question do you have 931 00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:45,560 Speaker 1: a life outside of work? You might find that you're 932 00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:48,319 Speaker 1: finding too much of your self fulfillment in your work 933 00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:50,480 Speaker 1: and too much of your identity is tied up into that. 934 00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:53,600 Speaker 1: Just like our palt elon musk, Yeah, you don't want 935 00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:56,080 Speaker 1: to spend your nights sleeping under your desk at work, right, No, 936 00:44:56,280 --> 00:44:58,239 Speaker 1: that's not good, but just yeah, make sure that you've 937 00:44:58,239 --> 00:45:00,600 Speaker 1: got other stuff going on, and then Astlee. We're not 938 00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:03,080 Speaker 1: saying that you need to be complacent, be ambitious, and 939 00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:05,839 Speaker 1: challenge yourself. There's a lot of opportunities out there, whether 940 00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:08,720 Speaker 1: it's within your current company or what you're doing. If 941 00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:11,560 Speaker 1: your work just needs some slight tweaks, or if you 942 00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:14,040 Speaker 1: find yourself in a position where you're not happy at 943 00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:16,720 Speaker 1: all with where you are in life, it might require 944 00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:19,640 Speaker 1: something a little more drastic, like a completely different career. 945 00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:22,080 Speaker 1: But just keep in mind that the grass isn't always 946 00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:24,440 Speaker 1: greener on the other side. All right, everyone, thank you 947 00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:27,239 Speaker 1: so much for listening. We really appreciated. Our home on 948 00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:30,480 Speaker 1: the web is how some Money dot Com and up 949 00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:33,480 Speaker 1: there we'll have pictures like we normally do over beer 950 00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:36,319 Speaker 1: and also to like Joel mentioned on Instagram at how 951 00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:38,480 Speaker 1: to Money Pod, we like to add some behind the 952 00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:41,120 Speaker 1: scenes action up there as well as other stuff that 953 00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:43,759 Speaker 1: we are thinking about, so be sure to check that out. Yeah, 954 00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:45,680 Speaker 1: and if you like this podcast and you found the 955 00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:49,840 Speaker 1: information here helpful, please leave a review on Apple Podcast 956 00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:52,200 Speaker 1: or wherever you're listening, and don't forget to hit the 957 00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:55,200 Speaker 1: subscribe button as well. Our buddy until next time. Until 958 00:45:55,280 --> 00:46:05,759 Speaker 1: next time, best Friends out best friends out m