Speaker 1: M one time that I described him as is six
Speaker 1: ft six and in perfect physical condition, the slender but
Speaker 1: powerful man, and that could out walk anybody on their
Speaker 1: best saddle horse in any kind of terrain. On this
Speaker 1: episode of the Beargrease Podcast, we're heading into the American
Speaker 1: West to me to ranch your midway through his ninth
Speaker 1: decade on planet Earth, and he still rides his mule
Speaker 1: every day. He's known as one of the nation's best
Speaker 1: dry ground mountain lion hunters. The southern border of his
Speaker 1: property is Mexico. He plays a little fiddle, and he
Speaker 1: did some unconventional roping in an Academy Award winning movie.
Speaker 1: But that's just the flashy stuff. We'll hear a wild
Speaker 1: story that involved the helicopter rescue, but mainly will glimpse
Speaker 1: into the life of a true American cowboy named Warner Glenn.
Speaker 1: I had expectations of who this man would be, but
Speaker 1: they were scattered in the desert when I met the
Speaker 1: real Mr Warner. This is part one in our series
Speaker 1: on the life of a living legend, Warner Glenn. You're
Speaker 1: not gonna want to miss this one. He always kept
Speaker 1: up with his dogs a foot, which he did one
Speaker 1: day this young man asked him. He said, how do
Speaker 1: you do that? And Dad said, well, I just got
Speaker 1: slower dogs. My name is Clay Nukelem and this is
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Speaker 1: Ranch in southeast Arizona a few hours before the glowing
Speaker 1: sunset blanketed the desert. If I'm being honest, I've rarely
Speaker 1: been more impacted at a first meeting. He was feeding
Speaker 1: his hounds, and I was greeted with a wide smile
Speaker 1: and a warm demeanor. I was a stranger to him,
Speaker 1: but a more genuine and gritty handshake I have never felt.
Speaker 1: I was invited to get into side by side and
Speaker 1: we rode five miles west to a remote generator powered well.
Speaker 1: So what is that pump doing? It's pumping water into
Speaker 1: these Yeah, it feels just take and it's full all
Speaker 1: the time. They overflows. What feels is that way if
Speaker 1: I have a flute getting knocked off or a land break,
Speaker 1: a great mission that I have that and it's just
Speaker 1: waters all the cattle on this side of the ramp. Yep, h,
Speaker 1: Mr Warren, how old are you? I'm so still working well,
Speaker 1: ten hours twelve hours a day, Like, Hey, I didn't
Speaker 1: I didn't, lucky, Sure I didn't do sandom horse and ride,
Speaker 1: and I tell you, and that's good enough. Lowly they
Speaker 1: can do that. I can get something done, you know.
Speaker 1: But the shadows getting heavier every year, and the hills
Speaker 1: are getting there. Warner Glenn is six ft six, slender
Speaker 1: and wiry, like American barbed wire, the expensive kind. He's
Speaker 1: wearing a faded salmon colored button up shirt and his
Speaker 1: T shirt showing through the neck reveals a tattered collar.
Speaker 1: His cowboy had a straw and stained with sweat and dirt.
Speaker 1: He's an old man, but his eyes are as bright
Speaker 1: blue as you'll ever see. I find that with age
Speaker 1: sometimes a man's eyes brightened, almost like they've been bleached
Speaker 1: by the sun. We made it back to the ranch House,
Speaker 1: which is quite literally a museum of the West, replete
Speaker 1: with art, Native American artifacts, photography, old guns and saddles
Speaker 1: and antlers, but the dominant theme is beautiful photos of
Speaker 1: hounds and mountain lions photographed on Warner's hunts, and a
Speaker 1: huge painting of the jaguar. More on that later. We
Speaker 1: had dinner with Warner's daughter, Kelly, who will meet later,
Speaker 1: and her daughter Mackenzie, and some other friends helping on
Speaker 1: the ranch. Thank you Lord for this food, and thank
Speaker 1: you Lord for the guidance and safety of giving us today,
Speaker 1: and please watch over through the night and give us
Speaker 1: all good nights rest. I'd heard about Warner Glenn for
Speaker 1: almost two decades, and I knew it was time to
Speaker 1: go see him. He's known in the hound world as
Speaker 1: one of the best dry ground mountain lion hunters in
Speaker 1: the nation. Today he's probably the oldest active mountain lion
Speaker 1: hunter left. Later we'll explain what a dry ground lion
Speaker 1: hunter is, and that knowledge is very important, But in short,
Speaker 1: I'll tell you that it's one of the most demanding
Speaker 1: styles of hunting that there is. Warner has lived a
Speaker 1: storied life of a true American cowboy. Over the next
Speaker 1: few podcasts, I hope to do the man and his
Speaker 1: family partial justice in describing their way of life, their character,
Speaker 1: and their humility. Rarely have I seen the like. It's
Speaker 1: been many moons since Mr Warner played his fiddle, but
Speaker 1: he was kind enough to break it out on my request.
Speaker 1: After a short night and a five am breakfast, we
Speaker 1: headed to the kennel in the mule Barn. We're going
Speaker 1: on a ride. How many dogs do you have Mr
Speaker 1: Warner six tiers and one or two good ones. I
Speaker 1: can buy that. So these are primarily walkers, but they're
Speaker 1: mixed breed dogs. You've got let a black and tants.
Speaker 1: Some of them look kind of dark, little something else
Speaker 1: in him, a little bit of blue tick and worst walker.
Speaker 1: I can start putting collars on dogs if you tell
Speaker 1: me which ones to do, you put that. Don't turn
Speaker 1: him down. Don't turn it down. His dogs are meticulously
Speaker 1: cared for. The kennels are clean, and the dogs obey
Speaker 1: Mr Warner's every command. Tell me about that us and
Speaker 1: the dog you said was the best dog you got,
Speaker 1: the best dog you've got. He's get at everything. He's
Speaker 1: good cold traders, good straight dog and he'll move out
Speaker 1: and catch him that to Trouble twelve, Yeah, still going though. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he'll be all right to winner, but this broad be
Speaker 1: the last winter. Yeah, so he and I might go
Speaker 1: out together. I don't know. I wouldn't count on it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's one of the best ones. Hook kids, and that's
Speaker 1: his full brother right there. And he's not worth it too, Yeah,
Speaker 1: litter mate. Yeah, what so what are we gonna do
Speaker 1: this morning? Well, we're just getting ride we're just exercising
Speaker 1: these dogs. I do this probably four times a week
Speaker 1: and try to go back in ten miles with him,
Speaker 1: and it kept your feet in condition, hardened up, and
Speaker 1: fairly in good shape. Mr Warner, you're eighty five years
Speaker 1: old and you you're still riding the mule. That's pretty unique.
Speaker 1: How many miles a year do you think you ride?
Speaker 1: I heard him say that you ride. You probably ride
Speaker 1: miles a year on horseback or yeah, d every day
Speaker 1: somewhere you unless I happen to go, you know, the
Speaker 1: town or something for some reason, every day. Track to
Speaker 1: you working Kettler keeping the dog in cape Er hunting.
Speaker 1: You know that type of deal. Mr Warner saddles the
Speaker 1: sixteen hand mule named Vivian, and he instructs me to
Speaker 1: ride a shorter strawberry roan mule. He gets on the
Speaker 1: big bay with the agility of a man fifty years
Speaker 1: his junior, and I'm not kidding. His mount on the
Speaker 1: mule was smooth, natural, and effortless. We head out of
Speaker 1: the ranch house with sixteen white spotted walker dogs canvas
Speaker 1: seen the landscape in front of us. My questions and
Speaker 1: his stories flow almost NonStop on our two hour ride
Speaker 1: through the open country loads and that white dog right
Speaker 1: behind it. She's a really good cool the trainer a
Speaker 1: good right dog. So she's a good dog, but not
Speaker 1: too good to get the right. And now, okay, that
Speaker 1: was Clump and a fella, Johnny Clump a good friend
Speaker 1: of ours and and also a line of hunter. He
Speaker 1: gave me that dog to the pump, and that dog
Speaker 1: on pump would do nothing to follow my mule around
Speaker 1: until he was about a year and a half old.
Speaker 1: I mean, the other dogs would be trailing lions and
Speaker 1: he'd just stay with right. And so one day we
Speaker 1: had trailed the line into a big little bluff and
Speaker 1: I couldn't find it. And who guy that was helping
Speaker 1: to say cowboys tell me Todd. He and I were
Speaker 1: looking at some blood splattered and spots on the on
Speaker 1: the rock. You're the basis bluff And I said yeah,
Speaker 1: and that it looks like whatever one went run up
Speaker 1: and I pointing to the right, and littlettle female line
Speaker 1: was right there about thirty keep from it. And as
Speaker 1: soon as we made eye contact, whether she just bailed
Speaker 1: out of that buff running and went off the mountain
Speaker 1: and ran right square overall. Clump just cannon ball clump
Speaker 1: down down the hill and he got up and what
Speaker 1: the squall and he he ran that line up in
Speaker 1: the bottom of big Old Canada and treated and from
Speaker 1: that day on he was one of the best dogs
Speaker 1: I've ever had. And that I mean just like to
Speaker 1: switching the light, Bobo, and so once in a while
Speaker 1: there's hope for those duds you think are duds, and
Speaker 1: most of the time they're always had dud. But he did.
Speaker 1: He made one of the best dog I've ever had
Speaker 1: from that nail clump, clump he got cannon ball, give
Speaker 1: him a chance, clump. We gained some elevation and overlook
Speaker 1: a rough section of tall pointed mountains. When in an
Speaker 1: unfamiliar place, I never take for granted my own ignorance
Speaker 1: of it. Mr Warner interpreted the landscape for me. Okay,
Speaker 1: this from right here, you can see this valley up
Speaker 1: to hear. All of these small heels you're looking at
Speaker 1: it were cinder cones or volcanoes and uh and going
Speaker 1: to south into Mexico too. So this would have been
Speaker 1: a pretty wild place like several thousand years ago. With
Speaker 1: all this was foreman, you know it wouldn't it wouldn't
Speaker 1: have been too place to place. Tell me what the
Speaker 1: name of your ranch is and what it means. Okay,
Speaker 1: we called it to malpa rent and that uh, it's
Speaker 1: derived from the Spanish word mald pace maldpiece, which means
Speaker 1: untillable land, bad land. It's n't terrible and that's because
Speaker 1: it's too rocky for farm land. And it's pretty good
Speaker 1: cal country though. But they've better have good feet on
Speaker 1: them because they've trigue shore footed in the country like
Speaker 1: good line country too. Yeah, it's pretty good at some
Speaker 1: of this good life country land. It's debatable on how
Speaker 1: that wall that they've been able to go to, No
Speaker 1: doubt it's got to break up some of the wildlife corridors,
Speaker 1: but it's not continuous. I mean the pelts he is
Speaker 1: there still open and and it's a good wildlife corridor.
Speaker 1: And tell him about We'll see, let's see what the
Speaker 1: future hopefully. I wanted to ask Mr Warner about his
Speaker 1: connection to the land and how his family got here.
Speaker 1: Here's what he said. Mr Warner, you've been in Arizona
Speaker 1: your whole life. You were born in nine that's correct.
Speaker 1: Tell me about your upbringing, your mom and dad and
Speaker 1: kind of how your family came to this part of
Speaker 1: the world. Okay, my granddad he came out here in
Speaker 1: eighteen ninety six from Texas. They had a little dirt
Speaker 1: farm right south to Abilene. There were eleven kids and
Speaker 1: the family, and they were the two oldest at the
Speaker 1: will and Ira Iras my granddad. And it was their
Speaker 1: job to get up early in the morning and go
Speaker 1: feed the two plow horses. My great granddad J. J. Glenn.
Speaker 1: He went in. He told the boy, he said, well,
Speaker 1: are said the time to get up and go feed
Speaker 1: those horses and then come back and get breakfast so
Speaker 1: they'd be ready to start plowing daylight. And oh will
Speaker 1: he night it? I and I well, they went back
Speaker 1: to sleep. So J. J. Went in there about five
Speaker 1: minutes later they were both sound asleep, sloorn again. So
Speaker 1: he walked outside and they had big barrels catching the
Speaker 1: rain water off the roofs, and they were they all
Speaker 1: always had water in him. There's a cota ice on
Speaker 1: that water. He got the worse pan and scooped the
Speaker 1: big pan of that ice water out within their jerk
Speaker 1: colored by throwing it on the boys, and they went
Speaker 1: and fed the plow horse and old Will. He went
Speaker 1: to saddle and went up and Irish said, Will, what
Speaker 1: are you doing? And he said, I'm leaving here and
Speaker 1: I'm never coming back. He was eighteen at the time,
Speaker 1: granded and he did, he did. He my grandfather stayed
Speaker 1: there with the plant in the fields. But they didn't
Speaker 1: hear from Will for four months. And he came down
Speaker 1: here and he rode up through that half Moon Valley
Speaker 1: and he wrote up in a lot of this country
Speaker 1: at that time were homesteaded already, especially in the valleys,
Speaker 1: but the mountains warn't. So he rode up and this
Speaker 1: is the south, in the Turkow Mountains, and he wrote
Speaker 1: up that half Moon Valley in the grassroot is thick
Speaker 1: and dragging the stirrups of his saddle. And he went
Speaker 1: to Wilcock. At that time they had a telegraph line,
Speaker 1: and he said, his dad wire and he said, Dad,
Speaker 1: if you want to come to some of the best
Speaker 1: scout country you'll ever find, you had to come to
Speaker 1: Arizona Territory. That's what at that time. And J. J. Dead.
Speaker 1: He brought the whole family out and that's what brought
Speaker 1: about water water and they homesteaded there what we call
Speaker 1: high loads, so Canyan in the south end of the
Speaker 1: turret couse. J. J. Homesteaded there, and my granddad Ira,
Speaker 1: he homesteaded about three miles north that they're in what
Speaker 1: they call hunt Kenyan. I want to read an excerpt
Speaker 1: from the author Stan Steiner's book titled The Ranchers. It
Speaker 1: might give us a window into something that's hard to
Speaker 1: understand unless you've seen it or have lived it here.
Speaker 1: It is one thing that ranchers seem to have in
Speaker 1: common was a sense of place, a place on Earth.
Speaker 1: It was not so much that they owned a place
Speaker 1: on earth that the place on Earth they owned was
Speaker 1: where their ancestors were buried, where they grew up and
Speaker 1: would die, where their children were born. They were part
Speaker 1: of that earth, and their feeling came from more than
Speaker 1: simply owning, buying, and selling the earth. It went deeper
Speaker 1: end of quote. The Glen's connection goes deeper. I saw
Speaker 1: this quote inside of a photography book titled The North
Speaker 1: American Cowboy, a portrait by a man named Jay Dussard.
Speaker 1: Mr J is eighty four years old, and he has
Speaker 1: dedicated his life to photographing the landscapes and cowboys of
Speaker 1: the Western United States. He only shoots black and white,
Speaker 1: and his images are meticulously crafted in composure and lighting.
Speaker 1: They're stunning. He has multiple photography books. Another one is
Speaker 1: called open country, which I've learned is a cherished phrase
Speaker 1: and descriptor of the land in this part of the world.
Speaker 1: In the said book, Mr j described open country. Keep
Speaker 1: in mind that these words are written by a man
Speaker 1: who interprets the world through shape, color and images. These
Speaker 1: are Mr Jay's words open country. My kind does not
Speaker 1: mean endless planes. Planes alone are too much like the
Speaker 1: endless sea for this landsman. I crave relief, changes of level,
Speaker 1: substantial reference points in a landscape that is vertical as
Speaker 1: well as horizontal. Being earth bound is completely satisfying. From
Speaker 1: a rim rock high enough to overcome the spherical earth
Speaker 1: disappearing act. It is a mesa or a mountain a
Speaker 1: hundred miles distance that defines the sculptural reality that give
Speaker 1: perspective to the intervening ridges, riffs behind us, and drainages.
Speaker 1: So rounding this with clouds of monumental proportions lit at
Speaker 1: a low angle from ninety three million miles and your
Speaker 1: photographic potential may even surpass postcard at age twenty three,
Speaker 1: I finally realized what I had been missing. Space, magnificently
Speaker 1: articulated by form, relief, light, and unbelievably clear atmosphere took
Speaker 1: on a new sense of continuity. I simply wanted to
Speaker 1: live on this grand piece of sculpture. I wanted to
Speaker 1: be like a little ant or microbe crawling around on
Speaker 1: its wondrously complex surface. End of quote. Jay headed west
Speaker 1: and one of the first acquaintances he made was with
Speaker 1: Warner and Marvin Glenn. Listener, take note that I'm holding
Speaker 1: a sun faded mountain lions skull with the date November
Speaker 1: nineteen sixty three inscribed on it. Here here is Mr
Speaker 1: J with an interesting story. Well, I got so lucky
Speaker 1: that I discovered Warner Glen and the Glen family. Warner
Speaker 1: and Winding Glenn were so generous to bring me into
Speaker 1: their lives, into their world, and they traded me so wonderfully,
Speaker 1: and they put beyond the payroll at the prevailing wage
Speaker 1: of seven dollars a day. Now, Warner and his father,
Speaker 1: Marvin Glen, they were, had a hunting business. They would
Speaker 1: guide hunts for for mountain lions, primarily what they were
Speaker 1: known for, and since I was working at the ranch.
Speaker 1: They had booked a hunt with a couple from Sierra Vista,
Speaker 1: and they said, well, you you can just go, uh
Speaker 1: join us on the hunt and you can kind of
Speaker 1: babysit the the clients. Everybody was writing mules, but me
Speaker 1: and he had the clients, and we split up so
Speaker 1: we could cover more country. Uh. In fairly short order,
Speaker 1: Warner saw a lion track on the ground. He said,
Speaker 1: he said, I don't have time to show you this,
Speaker 1: and I couldn't see a thing. And he says, it's
Speaker 1: a four year old female. And we're going in the
Speaker 1: right direction. So we were on on the on the
Speaker 1: high ridge and going in the direction that the lion
Speaker 1: had taken. And then suddenly we came to a place
Speaker 1: where the ridge dropped off and it was nothing but
Speaker 1: with slick rock and boulders to get down into the
Speaker 1: canyon where this lion had gone. And Warner said, you'll
Speaker 1: ever be able to make it down there, and and
Speaker 1: I'm running. It's my good mule, mochobo, and he said, uh,
Speaker 1: try and get down there into that canyon. Work your
Speaker 1: way down easily into that cannon. And he said, I'll
Speaker 1: see you later. And he touched a spur to Mochomo
Speaker 1: and they just flew down down that slick rock. It
Speaker 1: was the most amazing thing that I've ever seen. And
Speaker 1: so uh machonos steel show shoes were trying to grip
Speaker 1: the rock and striking sparks, and they got down to
Speaker 1: the lower level, down where I couldn't see them again.
Speaker 1: And there here they took off on a on a
Speaker 1: lower elevation and then Chomo just leaped into the next
Speaker 1: drop off. It was. It was spectacular. This is the
Speaker 1: skull of that four year olds y'all caught the lion Febal. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Tell me about the date on the skulls on on
Speaker 1: pencil here it says no number. That's right, And that's
Speaker 1: a date that a lot of people with a little
Speaker 1: age on them will remember because that's the date that
Speaker 1: President John Kennedy was assassinated in Dallas. And we were
Speaker 1: about the last people in the civilized world who had
Speaker 1: known about the tragedy that took place in Dallas, Texas.
Speaker 1: We were it was way after dark when we got
Speaker 1: out of the mountains and H. Rancher came through his
Speaker 1: place and he said, they killed the president today. How
Speaker 1: did that impact you, well, it was. It was shocking,
Speaker 1: and I think it made me remember that I had
Speaker 1: voted for Nixon, had voted against Kennedy. But you can
Speaker 1: tell something about a person when you learn where they
Speaker 1: were when a monumental event happened. It's a random one
Speaker 1: time sampling and Mr Warner was on a flashy mule
Speaker 1: hunting mountain lions. I asked Mr Jay to describe Warner Glenn.
Speaker 1: This is what he said. I think one time that
Speaker 1: I described him as a six ft six and in
Speaker 1: perfect physical condition, a slender but powerful man, and that
Speaker 1: could out walk anybody on their best saddle horse in
Speaker 1: any kind of terrain. That's my description of him. I
Speaker 1: want to jump back to Mr Warner as he describes
Speaker 1: the foundation of their families lion hunting. So I grew
Speaker 1: up there. We call it the j br A and
Speaker 1: it's in the south south end of the church house
Speaker 1: and that's where I was raised him. My dad was
Speaker 1: there at that time. We were raising our own horses,
Speaker 1: coats and breaking or he was this little boy. The
Speaker 1: lions would kill those colts. He couldn't had it raised
Speaker 1: a coat there because the lines were killing him. And
Speaker 1: also they were killing a lot of cows too, So
Speaker 1: he got his first lion dog, a red bone hand
Speaker 1: out of a from a guy down in a valley
Speaker 1: called Elfrida, and he took that hound up there, and
Speaker 1: that when he first started line. And then you went
Speaker 1: on your first line hunt when you were six years old,
Speaker 1: nineteen forty two. Yeah, I think it was forty forty two.
Speaker 1: That was the first line. I had been with him
Speaker 1: on a few tracks before. We've never caught anything, but
Speaker 1: we did catch a line that day, the big Old
Speaker 1: Tom's a long day. We left early that morning, the
Speaker 1: dollars picked up that track and we trailed that old day.
Speaker 1: We caught that line just just about the sundowns, but
Speaker 1: we were about nine miles south of the rent, so
Speaker 1: we got back to the leven that night. It was
Speaker 1: a long day before for a six year old. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he and then he took his first He in need
Speaker 1: the hunt. But it costs quite a bit even in
Speaker 1: those days to get a pack of hounds together and
Speaker 1: feed him. And the rent is the Cata rent as
Speaker 1: we ordered Upgrader considered small rents in this area. He
Speaker 1: had probably a hundred mother counard, so increases income a
Speaker 1: little bit. He started taking the hunting clients. Yes, and
Speaker 1: the first took he took with nine. Marvin Warner's father
Speaker 1: would become well known as a mountain lion hunter and
Speaker 1: renowned guide. He began lion hunting in the nineteen thirties
Speaker 1: and started an outfitting business in nineteen He was known
Speaker 1: for a charming personality and his unusual hospitality. His wife, Margaret,
Speaker 1: was an integral part of their ranch and business. It
Speaker 1: was said that she quote did everything with infectious enthusiasm,
Speaker 1: the type of enthusiasm that makes people enjoy your company. Well,
Speaker 1: this is actually a quote from a book written about Warner.
Speaker 1: I hadn't told you about that yet. The book is
Speaker 1: titled The Life and Times of Warner Glenn, A Glimpse
Speaker 1: into the American West, written by Ed Ashurst. I believe
Speaker 1: the enthusiasm that Ed wrote about for life is still
Speaker 1: evident in this family today. To understand more about Mr
Speaker 1: Warner's upbringing, I couldn't overlook a peculiar streak of good
Speaker 1: fortune that, of all places, came from Hollywood. I bet
Speaker 1: you weren't expecting that. Here's the story. When when you
Speaker 1: were fifteen years old, you and your father, Marvin, were
Speaker 1: in a movie. You roped a lion on a on
Speaker 1: a movie that one and Oscar they wouldn't even let
Speaker 1: your film me right right right, you know, because we
Speaker 1: were any credent closure or anything like that. We we
Speaker 1: would just ropingout it. Of course, yet have your dogs
Speaker 1: all tight back out of the way, because you couldn't
Speaker 1: get something hurt, because that lion on when he hits
Speaker 1: the ground on the end of that rope, he'd ever
Speaker 1: were and somebody's got to go in there and get
Speaker 1: him behind a leg or a tail. They they kind
Speaker 1: of choked down a little bit and somebody and once
Speaker 1: you get them stretched out like that, then you just
Speaker 1: take your time and get a rope on the feet
Speaker 1: and pull them back into something in her mouth. We
Speaker 1: tied tied up quite a few in the reason we
Speaker 1: were doing that was either for a movie or it
Speaker 1: was for a zoo we had had or I read
Speaker 1: where you and your father gave a lion to the Bakersfield,
Speaker 1: California Zoo. Several of those lines ended up in shoos.
Speaker 1: What's really is the worst thing you can do? The well,
Speaker 1: but really, I mean, I mean at that time we
Speaker 1: didn't think much of it, but and it was. It
Speaker 1: was something we did. We didn't think we're doing the
Speaker 1: wrong thing. But over the years you kind of say,
Speaker 1: how would you like to be stuck stuck in the
Speaker 1: taking me, you know, because I'm used to free life
Speaker 1: and show the land. Yeah, some people may think they're
Speaker 1: cool or that they're cowboys. And if they've got a
Speaker 1: story that will top roping a wild mountain lion out
Speaker 1: of a tree when they're fifteen years old for a
Speaker 1: Disney movie, yep, I said, Disney, I'll buy him an
Speaker 1: angus river by steak and a beaver felt hat. Mr
Speaker 1: Warner went on to describe how this movie impacted their
Speaker 1: lion hounds for decades to come, and the pole of
Speaker 1: the name of Larry Landsberg came out and got used
Speaker 1: to help him film that. It was really a story
Speaker 1: about a hound that had got that came across the
Speaker 1: Mexican border and Disney actually they brought a walk around
Speaker 1: tree and walk around that was nine months old. Your fellow,
Speaker 1: the neighbor, Jay Sissler, had trained the dog this having
Speaker 1: and that's something well, I mean he just did everything
Speaker 1: that we asked for him in the movie. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it did, and and it's kind of a cute little story.
Speaker 1: Uh rex Allen there, Rachel. But anyway, it went on
Speaker 1: to win the Tendey Ward that year for the Best
Speaker 1: Live Action Short. It was a short twenty minute short
Speaker 1: that showed me the feature film. That's something. Before that
Speaker 1: picture we were most of all our dogs were black
Speaker 1: and tan and red bone blue tick. Uh you know
Speaker 1: red tick, that type of just the old English breeds
Speaker 1: and a good dog. I mean, we had some good
Speaker 1: son of a gun. And then when we saw that
Speaker 1: walker that that they trained was a walker a tree
Speaker 1: and walker out of somebody right there in your country. Sure.
Speaker 1: So when the movie was over, Daddy tried to They
Speaker 1: called in the in the movie that a dog is
Speaker 1: called Puckle that name, and so he tried to buyo Poco,
Speaker 1: and they wouldn't tell him. We gotta we might need
Speaker 1: him for this and that, which they did. Later they
Speaker 1: came back and filled something for that uh Disney presents
Speaker 1: at night. They can't and they had to do it all.
Speaker 1: They had to film all while he was a pup
Speaker 1: that so they wasn't Sally Pockles. So he said, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna try to give it. He bought a female
Speaker 1: out of Filly River Chief out of the Missouri, I think.
Speaker 1: And then he bought a mail out of the the house
Speaker 1: in bally and to the mail was too and the
Speaker 1: female was a yearland So we got him and started
Speaker 1: raising pups. And both of those does ended up being good.
Speaker 1: They were on those were just those were you bet
Speaker 1: and and and they made wonderful landdogs and we were raised.
Speaker 1: We raised pups out of those for in or ten years,
Speaker 1: and that's when some of those puffs scattered all over
Speaker 1: the country. And some of the dogs nowadays are still related.
Speaker 1: To go back to the house of the bally Affilly
Speaker 1: River Chief for anyway. But it's hard to believe. But
Speaker 1: the Hollywood hound that came from the east was one
Speaker 1: of the most impressive young hounds Marvin and Warner had seen.
Speaker 1: They tracked it back to Missouri and built a line
Speaker 1: of lion dogs with some Apoco's relatives. A good lion
Speaker 1: dog is wherever you find him. I asked Mr Warner
Speaker 1: about his connection to the Beast of Burden, of which
Speaker 1: he is quite fond. I'll give you one guess about
Speaker 1: what my next question is about. Well, I want to
Speaker 1: talk about mules. Just give me your spill on mules
Speaker 1: and horses and cattle. Working on the rinch. We like
Speaker 1: to use horses. They're a little more respond to than
Speaker 1: that type of thing we're just although we used uld
Speaker 1: a lot of times if we don't have the horses up,
Speaker 1: if we have to work in the cattle, but in
Speaker 1: the hunting, but that I use a lot of horses.
Speaker 1: When it first started, early in the forties and early
Speaker 1: fifties and six's, we were horseback most of the time,
Speaker 1: even because we were raising all those horses in the
Speaker 1: mountain and we were breaking them our sails, so they
Speaker 1: were good mountain horses. It's kind of hard to find
Speaker 1: a good mountain horse now, but we want to use mules.
Speaker 1: We use mules all toogether now when we're hunting. They
Speaker 1: take care of themselves in that rough, rugged country. They
Speaker 1: hardly ever get crippled. Ever, hardly ever get hurt. If
Speaker 1: they do happen to fall with you, and I'm not
Speaker 1: saying the mule will fall with it, they will have
Speaker 1: had them fall with me. But usually when they get
Speaker 1: in a real bad place and fall or get in
Speaker 1: a tight situation there, they're kind of relaxing. Wait a minute,
Speaker 1: they don't panic. Were a horse were usually panic and
Speaker 1: go to London or kicking and getting frantic. Well, you
Speaker 1: might find one occasionally that would, but most mules will
Speaker 1: settle down and take it kind of ease out of
Speaker 1: a tough situation, and in doing that they allow you
Speaker 1: time to step out of the middle of the trouble.
Speaker 1: So they're not They're not London than fighting. And I'll
Speaker 1: tell you when you get it. When they go down
Speaker 1: with if there's a pause, taught you better take advantage
Speaker 1: of it, better get out of the way. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: remember that. Yeah, you told me a statement today. You said, uh,
Speaker 1: you said, we've had some good mountain horses, but I
Speaker 1: sure felt sorry for Yeah. Well, a lot of the
Speaker 1: old timers rounded wonder why do you run mules all
Speaker 1: time hunting rather horses, And I said, well, to tell
Speaker 1: you the truth, I did. You know, I just don't
Speaker 1: feel sorry for a mule and I do a horse,
Speaker 1: and I figured that mule is gonna take him and
Speaker 1: me both. I'm not saying they're not some good mountain
Speaker 1: horses still around. Some of the hunters still use horses
Speaker 1: quite a bit, but by large, most of the mountain
Speaker 1: hunters in our area use mules most of the time.
Speaker 1: Tell me about tell me about your mule Machoma. Well,
Speaker 1: I tell you yeah. And he came out of Mexico.
Speaker 1: At that time, this would have been like fifties six
Speaker 1: fifty seven fifty nineteen fifty six f set. We were
Speaker 1: doing a lot of hunting in the northern part of Sonora,
Speaker 1: in these mountains that you didn't see from here in
Speaker 1: the south ost and uh. They had a mule called
Speaker 1: Mochobo down there that one of the wranglers down there
Speaker 1: was riding. So when we came out of there that
Speaker 1: the rancher was making Armando Varela. He was making some
Speaker 1: really good horses. He had some real fancy studs. And
Speaker 1: he said for payment for catching some of the lines
Speaker 1: down and he said, word, I want to give you
Speaker 1: one of these good horses. And I said, man, I won't. No,
Speaker 1: I said, I would really drither have that bay mule calledbo.
Speaker 1: He said you would, and I said yeah. So he
Speaker 1: gave me the mule. That's where he came from. And
Speaker 1: he's one of the best mules of ever in there.
Speaker 1: He was a little wild and rank at first. He
Speaker 1: I got he kicking me a tirat to really bad.
Speaker 1: But he got over that when he got about eighteen
Speaker 1: nineteen years old. He got took a while. What was
Speaker 1: your favorite mule of all time? Well, I tell you
Speaker 1: I've had a lot of but but of all the time,
Speaker 1: if I had my pick for one to stay with,
Speaker 1: I had a white mule called Snoy River, and he
Speaker 1: would want He would do anything you wanted to do it,
Speaker 1: and he would do it good, and he was willing.
Speaker 1: He never balked. I mean, he was a good rough
Speaker 1: country You could go ahead and caw and word cattle,
Speaker 1: and he were doing. It's just a good all around mule.
Speaker 1: Carry a line too, Oh yeah, yeah, he carry it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's some most of here, I tell you, they're not
Speaker 1: afraid of the lion as much as you are. Bearing
Speaker 1: it seemed like our mules here, of course they don't.
Speaker 1: We don't bear hunt much. It's just very rare that
Speaker 1: they're even round m I've had. I'm riding. You'll see
Speaker 1: her in the morning, Vidian. She's she's one of those.
Speaker 1: How big a mule do you like? I don't. I
Speaker 1: don't like him too big. I like him ways of
Speaker 1: probably ten fifty to twelve fifty. These are pretty big meals.
Speaker 1: You've got that six hands? Probably are they that a
Speaker 1: couple of couple of Probably you're a big you're big guy.
Speaker 1: They're they're a little bigger than those are good DALs
Speaker 1: and what we've got now. But I'd rather have a
Speaker 1: little smaller when I'd rather have one. Uh snoy Rimond
Speaker 1: would probably he'd probably weighed ten fifty something like that
Speaker 1: when he was drowned down. Good tradition too, would have
Speaker 1: been too. Mr Warner's love of mules is music to
Speaker 1: my ears. And as you know, I'm fond of the
Speaker 1: animals too. But my fondness should not mean that much,
Speaker 1: but coming from him it should mean a lot. Warner's
Speaker 1: not on Instagram trying to look cute and flashy. Dang,
Speaker 1: I wish he was. No, I don't. It's now mid
Speaker 1: morning and we've ridden to one of the highest points
Speaker 1: on the Mouth High Ranch. Our mules are facing uphill
Speaker 1: towards the west. Mr Warner shifts around in his saddle
Speaker 1: and points to the south. The life of the Glens
Speaker 1: can't be understood without a realization of where they live.
Speaker 1: The landscape defines their existence. The southern boundary of the
Speaker 1: ranch is the Mexican border, and he's got some wild stories.
Speaker 1: So what those mountains are in Mexico. Yeah, all of
Speaker 1: this country you're looking at right south other or in Mexico.
Speaker 1: That big range you see right there kind of the
Speaker 1: southeast Others is the starting of the sier Modri Mountains
Speaker 1: and mexicoing there continuous clear to Mexico City. I can
Speaker 1: I can see the wall down there. Oh yeah, wow,
Speaker 1: you can see it on that side going out through
Speaker 1: the hills and that side going into the mountains. So
Speaker 1: just used to it was just h barbede get to
Speaker 1: barbar fits. Yeah. When we bought the rent, it was
Speaker 1: just it was an eight strand barbed war and fence
Speaker 1: and the added steel t post ever twelve feet, so
Speaker 1: it was a pretty good fifth but it was old
Speaker 1: is war out. We were men and tenants all that time.
Speaker 1: So that and then the first thing they did was
Speaker 1: built at the vehicle barrier, and that was in the
Speaker 1: early two thousand. Of course the vehicles could still get
Speaker 1: over and then they would just ramp overs. Yeah, you've
Speaker 1: had some encounters with I mean lots of encounters with
Speaker 1: people carrying drugs over the border. Yeah, I tell you, Kelly,
Speaker 1: and I probably is running into like thirty bunches in
Speaker 1: the mountains over the years that had drugged big veils
Speaker 1: right right long, and we just right I mean you
Speaker 1: you come around the the end of the canyon and
Speaker 1: they know where to go, and there right there, we
Speaker 1: just right up to them. We always got her dogs
Speaker 1: and we we got going. We thought we were never
Speaker 1: been worried about. We've never been threatened by them, because
Speaker 1: it surprises them as much as it does us. And
Speaker 1: we we just I just talked to them in Spanish
Speaker 1: and tell them we're line hunting, We're on our way.
Speaker 1: But yeah, but the looks on their faces sometimes those
Speaker 1: drug mules they call them really readership. It's a big
Speaker 1: relief to them when they know we're not tarrying the
Speaker 1: badge or something. But when we get away from them,
Speaker 1: we don't ensure report those. We we turned those. But
Speaker 1: then that's why the Border Patrol worked with us a
Speaker 1: good We've had a lot of I've run into quite
Speaker 1: a few charrying bales UH run through the ranch here,
Speaker 1: and in fact, we we've found probably over over the year,
Speaker 1: thirty or forty bales that have been abandoned. And when
Speaker 1: we do we don't pack them in. We I get
Speaker 1: the Border control to take them and have them pick
Speaker 1: them up. Well, I've I've been on this ranch lesson
Speaker 1: to only four hours. And while we were driving into
Speaker 1: your ranch, the Border patrol was pulling out of your
Speaker 1: driveway with They told us six people they had picked
Speaker 1: up just yesterday. So that's common. Yeah, that's that's the
Speaker 1: kind of an everyday coach, or at least four times
Speaker 1: a week now now. Honestly, some of his stories, and
Speaker 1: there are some very specific ones in the book, remind
Speaker 1: me of Daniel Boone's encounters with hostile Indians in the backwoods.
Speaker 1: Mr Warner has used his tech, genuine demeanor and cultural
Speaker 1: understanding he can speak Spanish to get him out of
Speaker 1: trouble a lot of times. Speaking of trouble, I want
Speaker 1: to hear Warner and his daughter Kelly tell about the
Speaker 1: time they got into some big trouble in the back
Speaker 1: country hunting lions in And this is also a great
Speaker 1: place to introduce you to Kelly Glenn Kimbro, Warner's daughter.
Speaker 1: She's worked on the ranch then lying outfitting with her
Speaker 1: father for decades. She is an accomplished rancher and dry
Speaker 1: ground lion hunter herself, and honestly, we could be doing
Speaker 1: a whole podcast on her life. What an incredible lady. Luckily,
Speaker 1: we'll hear more about her in Part two. These next
Speaker 1: interviews were done separately. That Kelly and Mr Warner are
Speaker 1: telling the same wild story. There's a mountain in the
Speaker 1: north end of the tellance she is. Actually it's in
Speaker 1: the New Mexico side called Pratt Peak, and it did
Speaker 1: a terrible rough bluffy son up the gun and wind
Speaker 1: come over the top of Pratt Peak and we would
Speaker 1: lead down through some really bad rims and rocks and stuff.
Speaker 1: And I told Kelly. She was behind me and we
Speaker 1: had to a couple behind us, and I told him,
Speaker 1: I said, I think we can ride from here on.
Speaker 1: So I got him a new little sitting there and
Speaker 1: Kelly want to get on her mule, and she had
Speaker 1: stepped She went on the peel side to get on.
Speaker 1: Here's Kelly, and there was about a couple into the
Speaker 1: snow on the boulders and stuff on our mules. We
Speaker 1: do it all the time. We get on the off side.
Speaker 1: If that's the uphill side, we get on the off side.
Speaker 1: So I stepped up on a boulder and put my
Speaker 1: right foot in the stirrup to get on, and when
Speaker 1: I did, the boulder was cracked from the freezing and
Speaker 1: thine and it broke off and it hit her on
Speaker 1: the back leg. I had just it was literally the
Speaker 1: second day I started riding after having my shoulder rebuilt,
Speaker 1: so I didn't have my full strength and I was
Speaker 1: able to grab onto the saddle, but my right foot
Speaker 1: was hung on the stirrup, so I was off hanging on.
Speaker 1: It was gonna be a disaster. She is bailing off
Speaker 1: some mountain and it was frozen ground boulders. It was
Speaker 1: a terrible deal, and I knew it was gonna hurt
Speaker 1: if I hit the ground, so I'm trying to hang on.
Speaker 1: And then she stepped This leg was back here, and
Speaker 1: she stepped right on it and it broke it in
Speaker 1: seven places. But what it did it flipped it around backwards.
Speaker 1: But when she stepped on it, it jerked this foot
Speaker 1: oil of the strup, and it jerked me free. Well.
Speaker 1: I was going so fast that they were watching Dad
Speaker 1: and Rick and Heather's the people who were with us.
Speaker 1: They said, I made like two full flips and then
Speaker 1: I hit a boulder with this side of my head,
Speaker 1: and in those flips, I remembered seeing my leg going
Speaker 1: by point in the wrong direction. She looked up, she said, Dad,
Speaker 1: my legs broken. And I said, boy, Kelly, it sure is.
Speaker 1: And I mean, what did you say it was? It
Speaker 1: was pointed south and she would head north. Oh, it
Speaker 1: was a bad deal. There was blood spewing out. I
Speaker 1: had put like a three fifty seven bullet hole right
Speaker 1: here and fractured this whole corner of my skull in
Speaker 1: one inch when I hit that rotten but it was
Speaker 1: just pouring blood. But it didn't hurt. This hurt. And
Speaker 1: he said, I know, and he grabbed my leg and
Speaker 1: he said it was like a bag of bones. It
Speaker 1: was just lost. There was a man and his wife
Speaker 1: with us, the man Ricky. He got to tell him
Speaker 1: by the arms and held her there on the hillside,
Speaker 1: just to help her stay and stabilizers as she wouldn't
Speaker 1: slide and roll in further down the mountain. I could see.
Speaker 1: I knew I had to straighten that lege. I mean,
Speaker 1: we're way up there with new We're gonna have to
Speaker 1: have reelactuated somehow. So I went ahead and I told Kelly,
Speaker 1: I'm going to straighten your leg, Kelly, and then we're
Speaker 1: gonna splice it and we'll we'll immobilize it. So I
Speaker 1: just pulled it out and pointed the tod the right direction.
Speaker 1: I went ahead and cut four or five of those
Speaker 1: yuck poles to stock that rolls out of the Yucca plant.
Speaker 1: The tournament about eighteen ins. And then I took him
Speaker 1: down there and I had to rule at electricians taping
Speaker 1: my saddle bay, and so we we got it. We
Speaker 1: got those We used those stocks for splints and taped
Speaker 1: pretty tight with that electrician tape, and then we went
Speaker 1: This was eleven o'clock in the morning, and this was
Speaker 1: this was last day at each sever and cold. We
Speaker 1: knew it. There was snow about in the eighth shore
Speaker 1: on the north slope. We were on the north slope,
Speaker 1: so it was shaking, The ground was a little frozen.
Speaker 1: Its kind of an uncomfortable place. Then we tried to
Speaker 1: get cell service, no service because we were in a
Speaker 1: basin on a peak, so it was all block. What
Speaker 1: was your anxiety level fear level? I hurt really bad
Speaker 1: and I was laying It was twenty seven degrees. I
Speaker 1: was laying there and the man was still holding me.
Speaker 1: I honestly thought they'd get me out of there pretty quick.
Speaker 1: I thought, I know, I can't walk out of here.
Speaker 1: I wasn't panicked and I never went into shock, which
Speaker 1: is amazing. The hounds kind of grouped around me. One
Speaker 1: of them, I didn't realize that it was so much
Speaker 1: was licking blood off of me. And Warner and Heather
Speaker 1: took off and hiked up to the top and got
Speaker 1: cell service and then they started coordinating this rescue while
Speaker 1: a rescue helicopter came within about an hour and they
Speaker 1: circled us and they left. It was the winds and
Speaker 1: it was too dangerous. There's nowhere to land canyon. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So in the meantime, when everybody knows us, just because
Speaker 1: we've been in this country for so long, the sheriff
Speaker 1: and Hidalgo County was talking trying to get some help
Speaker 1: and border patrol in El Paso. A pilot in El
Speaker 1: Paso was sitting in their coffee room or whatever, and
Speaker 1: they heard this a woman had been hurt on a
Speaker 1: peak in southwest New Mexico and that nobody could rescue
Speaker 1: her helicopter wise, and he said, I can. And he
Speaker 1: had just got back from Afghanistan, and there was a
Speaker 1: guy there that day, a border troll supervisor. There wasn't
Speaker 1: a pilot. He said, I'll go with you, and they
Speaker 1: loaded up in one of those little boarder troll helicopters.
Speaker 1: They flew to the mountain. They got there about six
Speaker 1: hours after I'd been hurt, because all this took time.
Speaker 1: They landed on a boulder a d seventy five yards
Speaker 1: above us, on a on a saddle, and it was
Speaker 1: sundown already, and Warner had ridden off to the valley
Speaker 1: and gotten one of those basket stretchers check in from
Speaker 1: the truck. We were like three or four miles from
Speaker 1: the truck, but it was terrible country. Border patrol got
Speaker 1: the coordinates. They started riding in on horses, hiking in.
Speaker 1: There was nine border patrol and showed up there at
Speaker 1: this and one came and they all knew us. And
Speaker 1: one guy came right to me and he goes, I'm
Speaker 1: not allowed to administer pain medicines, but I have some
Speaker 1: advil and I so I took two. By then I
Speaker 1: was I was hurting. So you're you're laying there on
Speaker 1: the rocks for seven hours with no pain medication? Bush, Yeah,
Speaker 1: But Warner and Rick. About two or three hours into it,
Speaker 1: they dug up, because literally we were like this angle.
Speaker 1: I mean, it was the whole time, you're just holding yourself.
Speaker 1: So they dug out some rocks and stuff and put
Speaker 1: a saddle blanket, and then I could sit. I could
Speaker 1: finally relax and be down and not be slight. And
Speaker 1: that poor man that was holding me had held me
Speaker 1: all that time. So when they did that, then I said,
Speaker 1: I told him, I said, Rick, I'm cold. I said,
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to build a fire. Well, there was
Speaker 1: snow on everything, so Tall burns, it has a fuel
Speaker 1: in it, a dead soul, tall plant, saccosta. These are
Speaker 1: things that we have out here. So he left so
Speaker 1: talls and and he he'd light one right there by
Speaker 1: my feet, and so he got my feet warmed up.
Speaker 1: But the border ptoleman Dad rode up. And there's a picture,
Speaker 1: an epic picture that Rick took. It's a Life magazine
Speaker 1: kind of picture. It's Warner on a mule with that
Speaker 1: stretcher in front of him, riding up the bluffs behind him,
Speaker 1: and those border patrol kind of lined up way for
Speaker 1: him to get there, and they took the stretcher and
Speaker 1: they lifted me. They were awesome, and they put me
Speaker 1: in that basket stretcher and then those guys by now
Speaker 1: it was dark, and they carried me all the way
Speaker 1: up there. Never one of them slipped or fell. I mean,
Speaker 1: they just they were a team and they got me
Speaker 1: up there. The coal pilot he said, okay, ma'am. He said,
Speaker 1: you're not going to fit in our helicopter. So he said,
Speaker 1: we're gonna stick you through sideways, and he said we're
Speaker 1: gonna put your head against the door and and then
Speaker 1: your legs are going to be sticking out in that
Speaker 1: for about two and a half feet outside. And so
Speaker 1: they tied me in with cargo straps and he held
Speaker 1: onto me and off we went. We had eleven people
Speaker 1: up on the mountain. Pratt peeked to get off there,
Speaker 1: and we got everybody up there. We were back to
Speaker 1: our truck and trailers, probably at eleven o'clock. We got
Speaker 1: back here at one next morning. Lonely, Okay, bad. It
Speaker 1: could have been much worse. Yeah, And Kelly, Kelly, she
Speaker 1: made it fine. Yeah, there's one of the times that
Speaker 1: Kelly heard who We're going more wild stories, you say,
Speaker 1: Mr Warner. That sounds interesting. I got bit by a lion.
Speaker 1: Did Dad tell you that? Okay? So, so last so
Speaker 1: March eighth of nineteen, we're hunting at in New Mexico.
Speaker 1: We tree this calf killing lion in a stand of
Speaker 1: pine trees and the guy with us shoots him twice
Speaker 1: in the chest. Everything's good and he falls out. Then
Speaker 1: the dogs pulled him downhill and they wrapped his body
Speaker 1: around a tree and it was kind of steep, and
Speaker 1: then he went limp. And you know how dogs wool
Speaker 1: lying around that, they're all wanting to chew on it. Dad,
Speaker 1: it's a reward. So Dad and I said, he's dead. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's dead. He's dead. But I am a miss practicality.
Speaker 1: I didn't want him to drag him down the hill,
Speaker 1: so we'd have to pull him back kept the skinning.
Speaker 1: So I put my foot on the back of his
Speaker 1: shoulders to hold him against a tree. And no kidding,
Speaker 1: he stands up, turns around and I remember thinking, oh, man,
Speaker 1: his eyes are yellow. He's looked at and then he
Speaker 1: just reaches out grabsh me by this like, jerks me
Speaker 1: down and bites me right through the calf slipped off
Speaker 1: the bone, did not break the bone right through the meat. Well, Warner,
Speaker 1: Mr fearless Warner is wailing on him with his spiths
Speaker 1: to getting to turn loose to me, and the dogs
Speaker 1: are garbalistic because I yelled when I hit the ground
Speaker 1: and he bit me and he lets go. Then he
Speaker 1: takes off and runs off, and the dogs went and
Speaker 1: Warner went, and Warner shot him point blank with his pistol. Well,
Speaker 1: the poor guy with us had never been in on
Speaker 1: a lion or any of that. First he says, did
Speaker 1: you see him by you? And I'm like, yeah, I did,
Speaker 1: and I'm thinking, oh, man, I'm thinking he broke my leg.
Speaker 1: It hurt. I said, go help Warner. So I took
Speaker 1: off my shoe and rolled up my long underwear and
Speaker 1: blood was everywhere, and I had fourteen puncture wounds, the
Speaker 1: canines and the clause. So I put my foot against
Speaker 1: a tree and gently pushed. And my experiment was if
Speaker 1: it moves, it's broken, and if it doesn't. So by
Speaker 1: the time they got up there, it hadn't moved, and
Speaker 1: I said, Dad, it's just superficial, just superficial. Well, ironically,
Speaker 1: we bandaged it up and stopped the bleeding and went
Speaker 1: down and skinned the lion and rode out an hour
Speaker 1: minutes to the truck. And so they gave me a
Speaker 1: raby shot in each puncture. They don't sew up puncture wounds.
Speaker 1: You know. It took seventy five days for those to heal.
Speaker 1: But I drove back over there the next day. We
Speaker 1: caught two more lions. In the next three days I hunted.
Speaker 1: There was no pain, and we caught two more lions.
Speaker 1: On that hunt. There were calf killers. On part one
Speaker 1: of this podcast series, we've just barely introduced the Glens,
Speaker 1: and they've given us insight into their lifestyle, history and
Speaker 1: some iconic family stories. Next episode will dive in deeper
Speaker 1: into the craft of dry ground lion hunting and will
Speaker 1: learn that Warner was the first person to document a
Speaker 1: live jaguar in the United States. He wrote a short
Speaker 1: book about it called Eyes of Fire. We're gonna hear
Speaker 1: the whole story directly from him. I truly cherished the
Speaker 1: opportunity to highlight families like the Glens. In my opinion,
Speaker 1: Mr Warner is the embodiment of a living legend, and
Speaker 1: we haven't even heard half the story. Later we'll learn
Speaker 1: how he and his wife Wendy, who has since passed away,
Speaker 1: helped start an influential conservation group called the Maupi Borderlands Group.
Speaker 1: You also haven't heard about the fist fight in his
Speaker 1: younger years that catalyzed a life altering change in Mr
Speaker 1: Warner about how to deal with confrontation. Later in his life,
Speaker 1: he'd be known as a diplomat for the open country
Speaker 1: of southeast Arizona. Here's what Kelly had to say in
Speaker 1: closing about her father. We have a unique lifestyle. We
Speaker 1: have a unique family because we were raised to respect
Speaker 1: each other, to be cohesive, to collaborate, whether it was
Speaker 1: to collaborate with our family to get it done or
Speaker 1: to collaborate. So the with changing of time and conservation
Speaker 1: becoming such a big deal, you know, we are so blessed.
Speaker 1: Mackenzie is sixth generation. She will carry on the ranches
Speaker 1: she wants to. We've given her every choice, not to
Speaker 1: what she's doing right now in her side business. We
Speaker 1: want her to be able to develop something that she
Speaker 1: can call her own, because until Warner's gone, and then
Speaker 1: I'm gone, she will be under the umbrella. You know,
Speaker 1: she won't be the leader. However, Warner has gracefully let
Speaker 1: Mackenzie and I take on more and more and we
Speaker 1: do it respectfully. I know the answer, but I ask
Speaker 1: Warner one thing I think is left out in a
Speaker 1: lot of families as they transition through the generations. A
Speaker 1: lot of times the elderly generation doesn't really give the
Speaker 1: next generation a lot of respect because they're still stuck
Speaker 1: in that in that mindset, and they are still in power.
Speaker 1: And Dad's pretty good at that. He's pretty there's now
Speaker 1: and then he'll he'll say he'll say something real quick
Speaker 1: and forceful, and then he'll backtrack immediately and say, tell
Speaker 1: me the rest of the story, because I know the
Speaker 1: rest of the story. It's like whether it was to
Speaker 1: do with the border or whatever was happening. I'm the
Speaker 1: one that's getting the emails, the phone calls. Dad has
Speaker 1: a great life. He's he knows and exercises his dogs,
Speaker 1: he does his ranch work. We kind of run interference
Speaker 1: with with the way life is nowadays. As you know,
Speaker 1: there's so many issues. But I would just say something
Speaker 1: that's forgotten in a lot of families and is maintain
Speaker 1: your traditions and your the history of your family, and
Speaker 1: the ethics and respect and morals of your family, your community,
Speaker 1: your environment, your landscape. Because we're only here for a
Speaker 1: short time, but we need to when we leave, we
Speaker 1: need to be remembered as Warner will be as a legend.
Speaker 1: It's been a great life. I've been so blessed to
Speaker 1: have such a mentor. And sometimes it's been really tough
Speaker 1: because I'm a woman in a man's world. Luckily, my
Speaker 1: dad has respected women and there and and the fact
Speaker 1: that they can work equally hard. Like I said, O
Speaker 1: here be your personal best, do your best. And that's
Speaker 1: what Warner. That's all he asked of people, whether it's
Speaker 1: clients or family or that's incredible. We did, ah, We
Speaker 1: just did an extensive podcast series on Daniel Boone. What's
Speaker 1: wild about the end of Daniel Boone's life. Boone lived
Speaker 1: to be eighties six years old. They said, when he
Speaker 1: was an old man, he hardly recognized the life that
Speaker 1: he had lived. And he was quiet and he was humble,
Speaker 1: and you would have thought he would have been this
Speaker 1: like proud, boastful guy for all the incredible stuff he
Speaker 1: did in his life. And there was a woman, a
Speaker 1: family member that said, the old woodsman that had spent
Speaker 1: their life in solitude, when they were old, they were humble,
Speaker 1: they were meek. I see that almost in your dad.
Speaker 1: There's a humility that is unique that you would have
Speaker 1: You would you would think that life would have built
Speaker 1: them up inside of their accomplishments. But but but it
Speaker 1: actually has made him more humble, exactly exactly. And he'll
Speaker 1: tell so young houndsman will ask Warner. You know, he would.
Speaker 1: We all we've always said he always kept up with
Speaker 1: his dogs a foot, which he did. One day, this
Speaker 1: young man asked him, He said, how do you do that?
Speaker 1: And Dad said, well, I just got slower dogs. But yeah, yeah, humble.
Speaker 1: And just like the example of that lead dog way
Speaker 1: up there, quietly going on, the old dog. We have
Speaker 1: an old dog named Hook. And when you see Hook
Speaker 1: two yards out there quietly going on, that's, you know,
Speaker 1: that's an example of what Warner is. I had never
Speaker 1: met nor spoken with Warner Glenn before I showed up
Speaker 1: in his barn lot. I knew he was a man
Speaker 1: of character and a man of the land. But what
Speaker 1: impacted me the most was something I wasn't expecting. It's
Speaker 1: a trait that the gunslinging John Wayne images of the
Speaker 1: Western cowboy typically don't embody, which is an authentic humility.
Speaker 1: Manhood is an interesting journey because we want to be
Speaker 1: bold and confident, which are both honorable traits, but we
Speaker 1: might be fooled into thinking that is supposed to be
Speaker 1: the dominant, most important feature of who we are as men. However,
Speaker 1: what Mr Warner showed me in the very short time
Speaker 1: I was with him that confidence and boldness flow out
Speaker 1: of humility and servant hood of those who you're around.
Speaker 1: What you wouldn't have seen when the recording devices weren't
Speaker 1: on was Warner Glenn putting away our dishes from the table,
Speaker 1: serving us food, taking genuine interest in our lives, and
Speaker 1: doing things for us he didn't have to do. One
Speaker 1: could argue that any one could put on their best
Speaker 1: behavior for a guest, but I can tell you there
Speaker 1: aren't two Mr Warners. There's only one, and that is
Speaker 1: the definition of authentic and that's what I want to
Speaker 1: be when I grow up again. I can't thank you
Speaker 1: enough for listening to Bear Greece. Don't miss part two
Speaker 1: of this series on Mr Warner and Kelly. I have
Speaker 1: a feeling it's gonna be better than the first. Please
Speaker 1: do me a favor and share our podcast with the Buddy.
Speaker 1: This week good hunting and keep the Open Country Open.