WEBVTT - Ep. 22: American Cowboy in Open Country - Warner Glenn (Part 1) 0:00:00.080 --> 0:00:09.280 M one time that I described him as is six 0:00:09.280 --> 0:00:15.000 ft six and in perfect physical condition, the slender but 0:00:15.360 --> 0:00:20.439 powerful man, and that could out walk anybody on their 0:00:20.440 --> 0:00:25.960 best saddle horse in any kind of terrain. On this 0:00:26.040 --> 0:00:29.920 episode of the Beargrease Podcast, we're heading into the American 0:00:30.000 --> 0:00:33.160 West to me to ranch your midway through his ninth 0:00:33.280 --> 0:00:36.960 decade on planet Earth, and he still rides his mule 0:00:37.080 --> 0:00:39.880 every day. He's known as one of the nation's best 0:00:40.000 --> 0:00:43.960 dry ground mountain lion hunters. The southern border of his 0:00:44.080 --> 0:00:47.920 property is Mexico. He plays a little fiddle, and he 0:00:48.000 --> 0:00:52.960 did some unconventional roping in an Academy Award winning movie. 0:00:53.200 --> 0:00:56.320 But that's just the flashy stuff. We'll hear a wild 0:00:56.360 --> 0:01:00.959 story that involved the helicopter rescue, but mainly will glimpse 0:01:01.040 --> 0:01:06.360 into the life of a true American cowboy named Warner Glenn. 0:01:07.080 --> 0:01:10.800 I had expectations of who this man would be, but 0:01:10.880 --> 0:01:13.959 they were scattered in the desert when I met the 0:01:14.080 --> 0:01:17.960 real Mr Warner. This is part one in our series 0:01:18.160 --> 0:01:22.280 on the life of a living legend, Warner Glenn. You're 0:01:22.360 --> 0:01:25.400 not gonna want to miss this one. He always kept 0:01:25.480 --> 0:01:28.200 up with his dogs a foot, which he did one 0:01:28.240 --> 0:01:30.280 day this young man asked him. He said, how do 0:01:30.360 --> 0:01:32.959 you do that? 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If I'm being honest, I've rarely 0:03:22.440 --> 0:03:26.280 been more impacted at a first meeting. He was feeding 0:03:26.320 --> 0:03:29.120 his hounds, and I was greeted with a wide smile 0:03:29.280 --> 0:03:32.560 and a warm demeanor. I was a stranger to him, 0:03:32.680 --> 0:03:36.400 but a more genuine and gritty handshake I have never felt. 0:03:36.960 --> 0:03:39.360 I was invited to get into side by side and 0:03:39.440 --> 0:03:44.160 we rode five miles west to a remote generator powered well. 0:03:45.520 --> 0:03:48.400 So what is that pump doing? It's pumping water into 0:03:48.440 --> 0:03:51.840 these Yeah, it feels just take and it's full all 0:03:51.880 --> 0:03:54.880 the time. They overflows. What feels is that way if 0:03:54.880 --> 0:03:59.440 I have a flute getting knocked off or a land break, 0:04:00.000 --> 0:04:02.520 a great mission that I have that and it's just 0:04:02.600 --> 0:04:06.920 waters all the cattle on this side of the ramp. Yep, h, 0:04:09.240 --> 0:04:19.240 Mr Warren, how old are you? I'm so still working well, 0:04:19.440 --> 0:04:22.400 ten hours twelve hours a day, Like, Hey, I didn't 0:04:22.520 --> 0:04:27.640 I didn't, lucky, Sure I didn't do sandom horse and ride, 0:04:27.680 --> 0:04:30.720 and I tell you, and that's good enough. Lowly they 0:04:30.720 --> 0:04:34.160 can do that. I can get something done, you know. 0:04:34.480 --> 0:04:39.239 But the shadows getting heavier every year, and the hills 0:04:39.279 --> 0:04:45.280 are getting there. Warner Glenn is six ft six, slender 0:04:45.600 --> 0:04:50.200 and wiry, like American barbed wire, the expensive kind. He's 0:04:50.200 --> 0:04:53.880 wearing a faded salmon colored button up shirt and his 0:04:54.080 --> 0:04:58.160 T shirt showing through the neck reveals a tattered collar. 0:04:58.640 --> 0:05:01.719 His cowboy had a straw and stained with sweat and dirt. 0:05:02.320 --> 0:05:05.400 He's an old man, but his eyes are as bright 0:05:05.520 --> 0:05:08.800 blue as you'll ever see. I find that with age 0:05:08.880 --> 0:05:12.760 sometimes a man's eyes brightened, almost like they've been bleached 0:05:12.760 --> 0:05:15.840 by the sun. We made it back to the ranch House, 0:05:15.880 --> 0:05:19.880 which is quite literally a museum of the West, replete 0:05:19.920 --> 0:05:24.480 with art, Native American artifacts, photography, old guns and saddles 0:05:24.480 --> 0:05:28.599 and antlers, but the dominant theme is beautiful photos of 0:05:28.720 --> 0:05:33.000 hounds and mountain lions photographed on Warner's hunts, and a 0:05:33.080 --> 0:05:37.680 huge painting of the jaguar. More on that later. We 0:05:37.760 --> 0:05:41.080 had dinner with Warner's daughter, Kelly, who will meet later, 0:05:41.400 --> 0:05:45.000 and her daughter Mackenzie, and some other friends helping on 0:05:45.080 --> 0:05:49.560 the ranch. Thank you Lord for this food, and thank 0:05:49.600 --> 0:05:52.279 you Lord for the guidance and safety of giving us today, 0:05:52.320 --> 0:05:54.760 and please watch over through the night and give us 0:05:54.760 --> 0:05:59.159 all good nights rest. I'd heard about Warner Glenn for 0:05:59.240 --> 0:06:02.640 almost two decades, and I knew it was time to 0:06:02.720 --> 0:06:05.480 go see him. He's known in the hound world as 0:06:05.520 --> 0:06:08.279 one of the best dry ground mountain lion hunters in 0:06:08.279 --> 0:06:12.600 the nation. Today he's probably the oldest active mountain lion 0:06:12.720 --> 0:06:17.440 hunter left. Later we'll explain what a dry ground lion 0:06:17.600 --> 0:06:21.839 hunter is, and that knowledge is very important, But in short, 0:06:21.920 --> 0:06:24.200 I'll tell you that it's one of the most demanding 0:06:24.320 --> 0:06:28.400 styles of hunting that there is. Warner has lived a 0:06:28.440 --> 0:06:32.039 storied life of a true American cowboy. Over the next 0:06:32.080 --> 0:06:34.400 few podcasts, I hope to do the man and his 0:06:34.600 --> 0:06:38.919 family partial justice in describing their way of life, their character, 0:06:39.200 --> 0:06:43.520 and their humility. Rarely have I seen the like. It's 0:06:43.520 --> 0:06:46.680 been many moons since Mr Warner played his fiddle, but 0:06:46.720 --> 0:06:49.680 he was kind enough to break it out on my request. 0:07:03.600 --> 0:07:06.479 After a short night and a five am breakfast, we 0:07:06.560 --> 0:07:09.479 headed to the kennel in the mule Barn. We're going 0:07:09.720 --> 0:07:13.160 on a ride. How many dogs do you have Mr 0:07:13.200 --> 0:07:21.760 Warner six tiers and one or two good ones. I 0:07:21.760 --> 0:07:25.760 can buy that. So these are primarily walkers, but they're 0:07:25.840 --> 0:07:29.240 mixed breed dogs. You've got let a black and tants. 0:07:29.240 --> 0:07:33.960 Some of them look kind of dark, little something else 0:07:34.040 --> 0:07:39.920 in him, a little bit of blue tick and worst walker. 0:07:40.200 --> 0:07:42.600 I can start putting collars on dogs if you tell 0:07:42.640 --> 0:07:47.560 me which ones to do, you put that. Don't turn 0:07:47.640 --> 0:07:51.840 him down. Don't turn it down. His dogs are meticulously 0:07:52.000 --> 0:07:55.520 cared for. The kennels are clean, and the dogs obey 0:07:55.720 --> 0:07:59.800 Mr Warner's every command. Tell me about that us and 0:08:00.200 --> 0:08:02.119 the dog you said was the best dog you got, 0:08:04.440 --> 0:08:07.280 the best dog you've got. He's get at everything. He's 0:08:07.320 --> 0:08:10.760 good cold traders, good straight dog and he'll move out 0:08:10.800 --> 0:08:17.280 and catch him that to Trouble twelve, Yeah, still going though. Yeah, 0:08:17.600 --> 0:08:19.800 he'll be all right to winner, but this broad be 0:08:19.880 --> 0:08:23.600 the last winter. Yeah, so he and I might go 0:08:23.680 --> 0:08:28.600 out together. I don't know. I wouldn't count on it. Yeah, 0:08:28.640 --> 0:08:33.760 he's one of the best ones. Hook kids, and that's 0:08:33.800 --> 0:08:37.520 his full brother right there. And he's not worth it too, Yeah, 0:08:37.640 --> 0:08:41.840 litter mate. Yeah, what so what are we gonna do 0:08:41.920 --> 0:08:45.239 this morning? Well, we're just getting ride we're just exercising 0:08:45.280 --> 0:08:48.600 these dogs. I do this probably four times a week 0:08:48.800 --> 0:08:51.560 and try to go back in ten miles with him, 0:08:52.000 --> 0:08:55.599 and it kept your feet in condition, hardened up, and 0:08:56.320 --> 0:09:01.480 fairly in good shape. Mr Warner, you're eighty five years 0:09:01.480 --> 0:09:05.960 old and you you're still riding the mule. That's pretty unique. 0:09:06.160 --> 0:09:08.280 How many miles a year do you think you ride? 0:09:10.360 --> 0:09:13.760 I heard him say that you ride. You probably ride 0:09:14.960 --> 0:09:21.360 miles a year on horseback or yeah, d every day 0:09:21.440 --> 0:09:25.600 somewhere you unless I happen to go, you know, the 0:09:25.640 --> 0:09:29.079 town or something for some reason, every day. Track to 0:09:29.240 --> 0:09:32.760 you working Kettler keeping the dog in cape Er hunting. 0:09:33.240 --> 0:09:37.559 You know that type of deal. Mr Warner saddles the 0:09:37.640 --> 0:09:41.000 sixteen hand mule named Vivian, and he instructs me to 0:09:41.120 --> 0:09:44.960 ride a shorter strawberry roan mule. He gets on the 0:09:45.000 --> 0:09:48.600 big bay with the agility of a man fifty years 0:09:48.640 --> 0:09:51.880 his junior, and I'm not kidding. His mount on the 0:09:51.960 --> 0:09:56.160 mule was smooth, natural, and effortless. We head out of 0:09:56.200 --> 0:10:00.000 the ranch house with sixteen white spotted walker dogs canvas 0:10:00.000 --> 0:10:03.320 seen the landscape in front of us. My questions and 0:10:03.440 --> 0:10:07.360 his stories flow almost NonStop on our two hour ride 0:10:07.440 --> 0:10:12.360 through the open country loads and that white dog right 0:10:12.400 --> 0:10:14.920 behind it. She's a really good cool the trainer a 0:10:15.000 --> 0:10:19.200 good right dog. So she's a good dog, but not 0:10:19.360 --> 0:10:21.520 too good to get the right. And now, okay, that 0:10:21.720 --> 0:10:26.319 was Clump and a fella, Johnny Clump a good friend 0:10:26.360 --> 0:10:29.040 of ours and and also a line of hunter. He 0:10:29.160 --> 0:10:32.360 gave me that dog to the pump, and that dog 0:10:32.480 --> 0:10:36.440 on pump would do nothing to follow my mule around 0:10:36.520 --> 0:10:38.520 until he was about a year and a half old. 0:10:38.640 --> 0:10:41.679 I mean, the other dogs would be trailing lions and 0:10:41.720 --> 0:10:44.679 he'd just stay with right. And so one day we 0:10:44.720 --> 0:10:48.079 had trailed the line into a big little bluff and 0:10:48.200 --> 0:10:52.439 I couldn't find it. And who guy that was helping 0:10:52.480 --> 0:10:55.440 to say cowboys tell me Todd. He and I were 0:10:55.480 --> 0:10:59.320 looking at some blood splattered and spots on the on 0:10:59.400 --> 0:11:02.840 the rock. You're the basis bluff And I said yeah, 0:11:02.920 --> 0:11:05.959 and that it looks like whatever one went run up 0:11:06.200 --> 0:11:09.240 and I pointing to the right, and littlettle female line 0:11:09.320 --> 0:11:12.400 was right there about thirty keep from it. And as 0:11:12.440 --> 0:11:16.800 soon as we made eye contact, whether she just bailed 0:11:16.840 --> 0:11:21.560 out of that buff running and went off the mountain 0:11:21.640 --> 0:11:25.760 and ran right square overall. Clump just cannon ball clump 0:11:26.160 --> 0:11:29.120 down down the hill and he got up and what 0:11:29.320 --> 0:11:32.760 the squall and he he ran that line up in 0:11:32.800 --> 0:11:36.040 the bottom of big Old Canada and treated and from 0:11:36.080 --> 0:11:38.400 that day on he was one of the best dogs 0:11:38.440 --> 0:11:41.440 I've ever had. And that I mean just like to 0:11:41.480 --> 0:11:44.439 switching the light, Bobo, and so once in a while 0:11:44.520 --> 0:11:48.360 there's hope for those duds you think are duds, and 0:11:48.600 --> 0:11:51.320 most of the time they're always had dud. But he did. 0:11:51.400 --> 0:11:54.200 He made one of the best dog I've ever had 0:11:54.320 --> 0:11:59.040 from that nail clump, clump he got cannon ball, give 0:11:59.120 --> 0:12:03.680 him a chance, clump. We gained some elevation and overlook 0:12:03.760 --> 0:12:07.120 a rough section of tall pointed mountains. When in an 0:12:07.200 --> 0:12:11.000 unfamiliar place, I never take for granted my own ignorance 0:12:11.040 --> 0:12:17.800 of it. Mr Warner interpreted the landscape for me. Okay, 0:12:18.200 --> 0:12:21.760 this from right here, you can see this valley up 0:12:21.840 --> 0:12:24.920 to hear. All of these small heels you're looking at 0:12:24.960 --> 0:12:30.040 it were cinder cones or volcanoes and uh and going 0:12:30.080 --> 0:12:33.600 to south into Mexico too. So this would have been 0:12:33.640 --> 0:12:36.760 a pretty wild place like several thousand years ago. With 0:12:36.920 --> 0:12:40.560 all this was foreman, you know it wouldn't it wouldn't 0:12:40.559 --> 0:12:44.560 have been too place to place. Tell me what the 0:12:44.640 --> 0:12:47.560 name of your ranch is and what it means. Okay, 0:12:47.600 --> 0:12:52.040 we called it to malpa rent and that uh, it's 0:12:52.080 --> 0:12:58.120 derived from the Spanish word mald pace maldpiece, which means 0:12:58.240 --> 0:13:04.280 untillable land, bad land. It's n't terrible and that's because 0:13:04.360 --> 0:13:08.000 it's too rocky for farm land. And it's pretty good 0:13:08.080 --> 0:13:10.640 cal country though. But they've better have good feet on 0:13:10.720 --> 0:13:14.240 them because they've trigue shore footed in the country like 0:13:15.400 --> 0:13:19.320 good line country too. Yeah, it's pretty good at some 0:13:19.440 --> 0:13:22.880 of this good life country land. It's debatable on how 0:13:23.679 --> 0:13:26.679 that wall that they've been able to go to, No 0:13:26.760 --> 0:13:29.640 doubt it's got to break up some of the wildlife corridors, 0:13:30.400 --> 0:13:33.880 but it's not continuous. I mean the pelts he is 0:13:34.440 --> 0:13:38.120 there still open and and it's a good wildlife corridor. 0:13:38.400 --> 0:13:41.840 And tell him about We'll see, let's see what the 0:13:41.880 --> 0:13:47.800 future hopefully. I wanted to ask Mr Warner about his 0:13:47.880 --> 0:13:51.160 connection to the land and how his family got here. 0:13:51.160 --> 0:13:56.200 Here's what he said. Mr Warner, you've been in Arizona 0:13:56.600 --> 0:13:59.640 your whole life. You were born in nine that's correct. 0:13:59.760 --> 0:14:02.760 Tell me about your upbringing, your mom and dad and 0:14:02.840 --> 0:14:05.040 kind of how your family came to this part of 0:14:05.040 --> 0:14:08.080 the world. Okay, my granddad he came out here in 0:14:08.200 --> 0:14:12.240 eighteen ninety six from Texas. They had a little dirt 0:14:12.280 --> 0:14:15.800 farm right south to Abilene. There were eleven kids and 0:14:15.880 --> 0:14:18.040 the family, and they were the two oldest at the 0:14:18.280 --> 0:14:22.800 will and Ira Iras my granddad. And it was their 0:14:22.920 --> 0:14:25.000 job to get up early in the morning and go 0:14:25.520 --> 0:14:30.560 feed the two plow horses. My great granddad J. J. Glenn. 0:14:30.920 --> 0:14:33.560 He went in. He told the boy, he said, well, 0:14:33.800 --> 0:14:35.920 are said the time to get up and go feed 0:14:35.960 --> 0:14:38.920 those horses and then come back and get breakfast so 0:14:38.960 --> 0:14:43.040 they'd be ready to start plowing daylight. And oh will 0:14:43.200 --> 0:14:46.120 he night it? I and I well, they went back 0:14:46.160 --> 0:14:49.240 to sleep. So J. J. Went in there about five 0:14:49.320 --> 0:14:53.600 minutes later they were both sound asleep, sloorn again. So 0:14:53.640 --> 0:14:56.880 he walked outside and they had big barrels catching the 0:14:57.000 --> 0:14:59.920 rain water off the roofs, and they were they all 0:15:00.000 --> 0:15:02.440 always had water in him. There's a cota ice on 0:15:02.560 --> 0:15:05.720 that water. He got the worse pan and scooped the 0:15:05.800 --> 0:15:08.680 big pan of that ice water out within their jerk 0:15:08.840 --> 0:15:11.280 colored by throwing it on the boys, and they went 0:15:11.360 --> 0:15:14.760 and fed the plow horse and old Will. He went 0:15:14.880 --> 0:15:17.440 to saddle and went up and Irish said, Will, what 0:15:17.480 --> 0:15:19.800 are you doing? And he said, I'm leaving here and 0:15:19.800 --> 0:15:23.240 I'm never coming back. He was eighteen at the time, 0:15:23.880 --> 0:15:29.880 granded and he did, he did. He my grandfather stayed 0:15:29.880 --> 0:15:32.160 there with the plant in the fields. But they didn't 0:15:32.200 --> 0:15:35.240 hear from Will for four months. And he came down 0:15:35.280 --> 0:15:38.120 here and he rode up through that half Moon Valley 0:15:38.320 --> 0:15:40.440 and he wrote up in a lot of this country 0:15:40.440 --> 0:15:44.000 at that time were homesteaded already, especially in the valleys, 0:15:44.600 --> 0:15:47.400 but the mountains warn't. So he rode up and this 0:15:47.560 --> 0:15:50.400 is the south, in the Turkow Mountains, and he wrote 0:15:50.480 --> 0:15:53.200 up that half Moon Valley in the grassroot is thick 0:15:53.360 --> 0:15:56.840 and dragging the stirrups of his saddle. And he went 0:15:56.880 --> 0:15:59.920 to Wilcock. At that time they had a telegraph line, 0:16:00.720 --> 0:16:03.240 and he said, his dad wire and he said, Dad, 0:16:03.280 --> 0:16:05.320 if you want to come to some of the best 0:16:05.360 --> 0:16:08.120 scout country you'll ever find, you had to come to 0:16:08.120 --> 0:16:13.040 Arizona Territory. That's what at that time. And J. J. Dead. 0:16:13.080 --> 0:16:15.120 He brought the whole family out and that's what brought 0:16:15.160 --> 0:16:22.880 about water water and they homesteaded there what we call 0:16:23.040 --> 0:16:25.600 high loads, so Canyan in the south end of the 0:16:25.600 --> 0:16:31.720 turret couse. J. J. Homesteaded there, and my granddad Ira, 0:16:31.920 --> 0:16:35.280 he homesteaded about three miles north that they're in what 0:16:35.320 --> 0:16:41.520 they call hunt Kenyan. I want to read an excerpt 0:16:41.560 --> 0:16:46.000 from the author Stan Steiner's book titled The Ranchers. It 0:16:46.080 --> 0:16:48.240 might give us a window into something that's hard to 0:16:48.360 --> 0:16:52.360 understand unless you've seen it or have lived it here. 0:16:52.360 --> 0:16:56.520 It is one thing that ranchers seem to have in 0:16:56.640 --> 0:17:00.320 common was a sense of place, a place on Earth. 0:17:00.920 --> 0:17:03.520 It was not so much that they owned a place 0:17:03.680 --> 0:17:06.760 on earth that the place on Earth they owned was 0:17:06.800 --> 0:17:10.199 where their ancestors were buried, where they grew up and 0:17:10.240 --> 0:17:14.000 would die, where their children were born. They were part 0:17:14.119 --> 0:17:17.240 of that earth, and their feeling came from more than 0:17:17.320 --> 0:17:22.439 simply owning, buying, and selling the earth. It went deeper 0:17:23.240 --> 0:17:29.720 end of quote. The Glen's connection goes deeper. I saw 0:17:29.840 --> 0:17:33.200 this quote inside of a photography book titled The North 0:17:33.240 --> 0:17:37.520 American Cowboy, a portrait by a man named Jay Dussard. 0:17:38.240 --> 0:17:40.640 Mr J is eighty four years old, and he has 0:17:40.680 --> 0:17:44.359 dedicated his life to photographing the landscapes and cowboys of 0:17:44.440 --> 0:17:48.000 the Western United States. He only shoots black and white, 0:17:48.359 --> 0:17:52.760 and his images are meticulously crafted in composure and lighting. 0:17:53.440 --> 0:17:57.879 They're stunning. He has multiple photography books. Another one is 0:17:57.920 --> 0:18:02.040 called open country, which I've learned is a cherished phrase 0:18:02.160 --> 0:18:05.080 and descriptor of the land in this part of the world. 0:18:05.640 --> 0:18:09.920 In the said book, Mr j described open country. Keep 0:18:09.960 --> 0:18:12.040 in mind that these words are written by a man 0:18:12.160 --> 0:18:17.160 who interprets the world through shape, color and images. These 0:18:17.280 --> 0:18:24.840 are Mr Jay's words open country. My kind does not 0:18:25.000 --> 0:18:29.080 mean endless planes. Planes alone are too much like the 0:18:29.280 --> 0:18:34.520 endless sea for this landsman. I crave relief, changes of level, 0:18:34.800 --> 0:18:38.800 substantial reference points in a landscape that is vertical as 0:18:38.840 --> 0:18:44.040 well as horizontal. Being earth bound is completely satisfying. From 0:18:44.119 --> 0:18:47.120 a rim rock high enough to overcome the spherical earth 0:18:47.320 --> 0:18:50.119 disappearing act. It is a mesa or a mountain a 0:18:50.160 --> 0:18:54.320 hundred miles distance that defines the sculptural reality that give 0:18:54.440 --> 0:18:59.120 perspective to the intervening ridges, riffs behind us, and drainages. 0:18:59.720 --> 0:19:03.680 So rounding this with clouds of monumental proportions lit at 0:19:03.680 --> 0:19:07.160 a low angle from ninety three million miles and your 0:19:07.200 --> 0:19:12.920 photographic potential may even surpass postcard at age twenty three, 0:19:13.000 --> 0:19:17.560 I finally realized what I had been missing. Space, magnificently 0:19:17.840 --> 0:19:23.960 articulated by form, relief, light, and unbelievably clear atmosphere took 0:19:23.960 --> 0:19:27.240 on a new sense of continuity. I simply wanted to 0:19:27.320 --> 0:19:30.359 live on this grand piece of sculpture. I wanted to 0:19:30.400 --> 0:19:34.560 be like a little ant or microbe crawling around on 0:19:34.640 --> 0:19:42.680 its wondrously complex surface. End of quote. Jay headed west 0:19:42.920 --> 0:19:45.960 and one of the first acquaintances he made was with 0:19:46.080 --> 0:19:51.119 Warner and Marvin Glenn. Listener, take note that I'm holding 0:19:51.160 --> 0:19:55.359 a sun faded mountain lions skull with the date November 0:19:56.520 --> 0:20:00.640 nineteen sixty three inscribed on it. Here here is Mr 0:20:00.800 --> 0:20:06.920 J with an interesting story. Well, I got so lucky 0:20:06.960 --> 0:20:13.280 that I discovered Warner Glen and the Glen family. Warner 0:20:13.320 --> 0:20:17.240 and Winding Glenn were so generous to bring me into 0:20:17.280 --> 0:20:22.400 their lives, into their world, and they traded me so wonderfully, 0:20:22.440 --> 0:20:26.920 and they put beyond the payroll at the prevailing wage 0:20:27.000 --> 0:20:31.679 of seven dollars a day. Now, Warner and his father, 0:20:32.080 --> 0:20:37.600 Marvin Glen, they were, had a hunting business. They would 0:20:37.640 --> 0:20:43.360 guide hunts for for mountain lions, primarily what they were 0:20:43.760 --> 0:20:47.399 known for, and since I was working at the ranch. 0:20:47.800 --> 0:20:51.560 They had booked a hunt with a couple from Sierra Vista, 0:20:51.920 --> 0:20:55.800 and they said, well, you you can just go, uh 0:20:56.080 --> 0:20:58.320 join us on the hunt and you can kind of 0:20:58.400 --> 0:21:04.000 babysit the the clients. Everybody was writing mules, but me 0:21:04.760 --> 0:21:08.120 and he had the clients, and we split up so 0:21:08.200 --> 0:21:12.200 we could cover more country. Uh. In fairly short order, 0:21:12.840 --> 0:21:16.639 Warner saw a lion track on the ground. He said, 0:21:16.880 --> 0:21:20.520 he said, I don't have time to show you this, 0:21:20.920 --> 0:21:23.840 and I couldn't see a thing. And he says, it's 0:21:23.840 --> 0:21:26.639 a four year old female. And we're going in the 0:21:26.760 --> 0:21:30.920 right direction. So we were on on the on the 0:21:31.000 --> 0:21:35.760 high ridge and going in the direction that the lion 0:21:35.920 --> 0:21:39.760 had taken. And then suddenly we came to a place 0:21:39.840 --> 0:21:42.919 where the ridge dropped off and it was nothing but 0:21:43.240 --> 0:21:47.119 with slick rock and boulders to get down into the 0:21:47.200 --> 0:21:51.160 canyon where this lion had gone. And Warner said, you'll 0:21:51.200 --> 0:21:54.840 ever be able to make it down there, and and 0:21:54.920 --> 0:22:00.800 I'm running. It's my good mule, mochobo, and he said, uh, 0:22:01.200 --> 0:22:04.679 try and get down there into that canyon. Work your 0:22:04.720 --> 0:22:08.320 way down easily into that cannon. And he said, I'll 0:22:08.320 --> 0:22:11.920 see you later. And he touched a spur to Mochomo 0:22:12.160 --> 0:22:17.760 and they just flew down down that slick rock. It 0:22:17.920 --> 0:22:21.439 was the most amazing thing that I've ever seen. And 0:22:21.600 --> 0:22:27.480 so uh machonos steel show shoes were trying to grip 0:22:27.520 --> 0:22:31.480 the rock and striking sparks, and they got down to 0:22:31.560 --> 0:22:35.159 the lower level, down where I couldn't see them again. 0:22:35.560 --> 0:22:39.720 And there here they took off on a on a 0:22:39.880 --> 0:22:45.080 lower elevation and then Chomo just leaped into the next 0:22:45.400 --> 0:22:50.240 drop off. It was. It was spectacular. This is the 0:22:50.400 --> 0:22:54.800 skull of that four year olds y'all caught the lion Febal. Yeah. 0:22:55.240 --> 0:22:58.359 Tell me about the date on the skulls on on 0:22:58.680 --> 0:23:04.160 pencil here it says no number. That's right, And that's 0:23:04.320 --> 0:23:07.280 a date that a lot of people with a little 0:23:07.320 --> 0:23:10.439 age on them will remember because that's the date that 0:23:10.640 --> 0:23:16.880 President John Kennedy was assassinated in Dallas. And we were 0:23:17.080 --> 0:23:21.880 about the last people in the civilized world who had 0:23:22.040 --> 0:23:26.280 known about the tragedy that took place in Dallas, Texas. 0:23:26.760 --> 0:23:29.320 We were it was way after dark when we got 0:23:29.440 --> 0:23:34.280 out of the mountains and H. Rancher came through his 0:23:34.440 --> 0:23:38.760 place and he said, they killed the president today. How 0:23:38.760 --> 0:23:42.160 did that impact you, well, it was. It was shocking, 0:23:42.320 --> 0:23:45.360 and I think it made me remember that I had 0:23:45.480 --> 0:23:52.040 voted for Nixon, had voted against Kennedy. But you can 0:23:52.080 --> 0:23:54.920 tell something about a person when you learn where they 0:23:55.000 --> 0:23:59.600 were when a monumental event happened. It's a random one 0:23:59.720 --> 0:24:03.399 time sampling and Mr Warner was on a flashy mule 0:24:03.560 --> 0:24:08.439 hunting mountain lions. I asked Mr Jay to describe Warner Glenn. 0:24:08.760 --> 0:24:12.359 This is what he said. I think one time that 0:24:12.800 --> 0:24:17.520 I described him as a six ft six and in 0:24:18.119 --> 0:24:23.879 perfect physical condition, a slender but powerful man, and that 0:24:24.359 --> 0:24:28.080 could out walk anybody on their best saddle horse in 0:24:28.560 --> 0:24:34.359 any kind of terrain. That's my description of him. I 0:24:34.440 --> 0:24:37.240 want to jump back to Mr Warner as he describes 0:24:37.280 --> 0:24:41.440 the foundation of their families lion hunting. So I grew 0:24:41.560 --> 0:24:43.879 up there. We call it the j br A and 0:24:43.960 --> 0:24:46.600 it's in the south south end of the church house 0:24:46.880 --> 0:24:50.080 and that's where I was raised him. My dad was 0:24:50.119 --> 0:24:53.440 there at that time. We were raising our own horses, 0:24:53.720 --> 0:24:58.719 coats and breaking or he was this little boy. The 0:24:58.840 --> 0:25:01.960 lions would kill those colts. He couldn't had it raised 0:25:02.000 --> 0:25:04.400 a coat there because the lines were killing him. And 0:25:04.680 --> 0:25:07.680 also they were killing a lot of cows too, So 0:25:07.720 --> 0:25:11.320 he got his first lion dog, a red bone hand 0:25:11.440 --> 0:25:14.080 out of a from a guy down in a valley 0:25:14.280 --> 0:25:17.679 called Elfrida, and he took that hound up there, and 0:25:17.680 --> 0:25:23.440 that when he first started line. And then you went 0:25:23.480 --> 0:25:26.160 on your first line hunt when you were six years old, 0:25:26.280 --> 0:25:29.560 nineteen forty two. Yeah, I think it was forty forty two. 0:25:29.600 --> 0:25:32.680 That was the first line. I had been with him 0:25:32.680 --> 0:25:35.480 on a few tracks before. We've never caught anything, but 0:25:36.320 --> 0:25:39.000 we did catch a line that day, the big Old 0:25:39.040 --> 0:25:41.600 Tom's a long day. We left early that morning, the 0:25:41.680 --> 0:25:44.640 dollars picked up that track and we trailed that old day. 0:25:45.000 --> 0:25:47.879 We caught that line just just about the sundowns, but 0:25:48.000 --> 0:25:50.960 we were about nine miles south of the rent, so 0:25:51.320 --> 0:25:53.480 we got back to the leven that night. It was 0:25:53.520 --> 0:25:57.440 a long day before for a six year old. Yeah, 0:25:57.440 --> 0:26:00.359 he and then he took his first He in need 0:26:00.359 --> 0:26:02.720 the hunt. But it costs quite a bit even in 0:26:02.840 --> 0:26:05.960 those days to get a pack of hounds together and 0:26:06.040 --> 0:26:09.600 feed him. And the rent is the Cata rent as 0:26:09.800 --> 0:26:14.359 we ordered Upgrader considered small rents in this area. He 0:26:14.400 --> 0:26:19.040 had probably a hundred mother counard, so increases income a 0:26:19.119 --> 0:26:21.800 little bit. He started taking the hunting clients. Yes, and 0:26:21.880 --> 0:26:27.879 the first took he took with nine. Marvin Warner's father 0:26:28.119 --> 0:26:30.720 would become well known as a mountain lion hunter and 0:26:30.800 --> 0:26:34.440 renowned guide. He began lion hunting in the nineteen thirties 0:26:34.480 --> 0:26:38.280 and started an outfitting business in nineteen He was known 0:26:38.440 --> 0:26:43.680 for a charming personality and his unusual hospitality. His wife, Margaret, 0:26:43.760 --> 0:26:47.160 was an integral part of their ranch and business. It 0:26:47.240 --> 0:26:52.199 was said that she quote did everything with infectious enthusiasm, 0:26:52.359 --> 0:26:57.120 the type of enthusiasm that makes people enjoy your company. Well, 0:26:57.160 --> 0:27:00.760 this is actually a quote from a book written about Warner. 0:27:01.000 --> 0:27:03.240 I hadn't told you about that yet. The book is 0:27:03.280 --> 0:27:07.080 titled The Life and Times of Warner Glenn, A Glimpse 0:27:07.200 --> 0:27:11.800 into the American West, written by Ed Ashurst. I believe 0:27:12.119 --> 0:27:16.120 the enthusiasm that Ed wrote about for life is still 0:27:16.240 --> 0:27:20.400 evident in this family today. To understand more about Mr 0:27:20.480 --> 0:27:24.800 Warner's upbringing, I couldn't overlook a peculiar streak of good 0:27:24.840 --> 0:27:30.080 fortune that, of all places, came from Hollywood. I bet 0:27:30.080 --> 0:27:36.280 you weren't expecting that. Here's the story. When when you 0:27:36.320 --> 0:27:40.080 were fifteen years old, you and your father, Marvin, were 0:27:40.080 --> 0:27:43.639 in a movie. You roped a lion on a on 0:27:43.720 --> 0:27:47.880 a movie that one and Oscar they wouldn't even let 0:27:47.960 --> 0:27:52.920 your film me right right right, you know, because we 0:27:52.920 --> 0:27:56.879 were any credent closure or anything like that. We we 0:27:56.920 --> 0:28:00.639 would just ropingout it. Of course, yet have your dogs 0:28:00.680 --> 0:28:03.119 all tight back out of the way, because you couldn't 0:28:03.160 --> 0:28:06.080 get something hurt, because that lion on when he hits 0:28:06.080 --> 0:28:08.080 the ground on the end of that rope, he'd ever 0:28:08.200 --> 0:28:10.000 were and somebody's got to go in there and get 0:28:10.080 --> 0:28:12.800 him behind a leg or a tail. They they kind 0:28:12.800 --> 0:28:15.760 of choked down a little bit and somebody and once 0:28:15.800 --> 0:28:18.000 you get them stretched out like that, then you just 0:28:18.080 --> 0:28:20.639 take your time and get a rope on the feet 0:28:20.680 --> 0:28:22.760 and pull them back into something in her mouth. We 0:28:22.920 --> 0:28:24.960 tied tied up quite a few in the reason we 0:28:24.960 --> 0:28:27.920 were doing that was either for a movie or it 0:28:28.000 --> 0:28:31.920 was for a zoo we had had or I read 0:28:32.000 --> 0:28:35.680 where you and your father gave a lion to the Bakersfield, 0:28:35.680 --> 0:28:38.880 California Zoo. Several of those lines ended up in shoos. 0:28:39.120 --> 0:28:42.160 What's really is the worst thing you can do? The well, 0:28:42.320 --> 0:28:47.520 but really, I mean, I mean at that time we 0:28:47.560 --> 0:28:50.560 didn't think much of it, but and it was. It 0:28:50.680 --> 0:28:53.600 was something we did. We didn't think we're doing the 0:28:53.600 --> 0:28:56.880 wrong thing. But over the years you kind of say, 0:28:57.120 --> 0:28:59.480 how would you like to be stuck stuck in the 0:28:59.600 --> 0:29:03.520 taking me, you know, because I'm used to free life 0:29:03.960 --> 0:29:09.280 and show the land. Yeah, some people may think they're 0:29:09.320 --> 0:29:12.000 cool or that they're cowboys. And if they've got a 0:29:12.040 --> 0:29:15.320 story that will top roping a wild mountain lion out 0:29:15.320 --> 0:29:17.400 of a tree when they're fifteen years old for a 0:29:17.480 --> 0:29:21.440 Disney movie, yep, I said, Disney, I'll buy him an 0:29:21.440 --> 0:29:24.600 angus river by steak and a beaver felt hat. Mr 0:29:24.680 --> 0:29:29.160 Warner went on to describe how this movie impacted their 0:29:29.280 --> 0:29:34.600 lion hounds for decades to come, and the pole of 0:29:34.640 --> 0:29:37.640 the name of Larry Landsberg came out and got used 0:29:37.680 --> 0:29:40.080 to help him film that. It was really a story 0:29:40.120 --> 0:29:43.200 about a hound that had got that came across the 0:29:43.240 --> 0:29:47.560 Mexican border and Disney actually they brought a walk around 0:29:47.880 --> 0:29:51.000 tree and walk around that was nine months old. Your fellow, 0:29:51.000 --> 0:29:55.040 the neighbor, Jay Sissler, had trained the dog this having 0:29:56.760 --> 0:30:00.640 and that's something well, I mean he just did everything 0:30:00.960 --> 0:30:04.760 that we asked for him in the movie. Yeah, yeah, 0:30:04.880 --> 0:30:07.360 it did, and and it's kind of a cute little story. 0:30:07.680 --> 0:30:11.320 Uh rex Allen there, Rachel. But anyway, it went on 0:30:11.400 --> 0:30:14.440 to win the Tendey Ward that year for the Best 0:30:14.560 --> 0:30:17.920 Live Action Short. It was a short twenty minute short 0:30:18.040 --> 0:30:22.719 that showed me the feature film. That's something. Before that 0:30:22.840 --> 0:30:25.560 picture we were most of all our dogs were black 0:30:25.600 --> 0:30:28.840 and tan and red bone blue tick. Uh you know 0:30:29.600 --> 0:30:33.080 red tick, that type of just the old English breeds 0:30:33.480 --> 0:30:35.920 and a good dog. I mean, we had some good 0:30:36.000 --> 0:30:38.000 son of a gun. And then when we saw that 0:30:38.120 --> 0:30:40.880 walker that that they trained was a walker a tree 0:30:40.880 --> 0:30:45.640 and walker out of somebody right there in your country. Sure. 0:30:46.040 --> 0:30:49.920 So when the movie was over, Daddy tried to They 0:30:49.960 --> 0:30:52.880 called in the in the movie that a dog is 0:30:52.920 --> 0:30:57.600 called Puckle that name, and so he tried to buyo Poco, 0:30:57.720 --> 0:31:01.360 and they wouldn't tell him. We gotta we might need 0:31:01.440 --> 0:31:03.800 him for this and that, which they did. Later they 0:31:03.840 --> 0:31:08.520 came back and filled something for that uh Disney presents 0:31:08.560 --> 0:31:11.160 at night. They can't and they had to do it all. 0:31:11.440 --> 0:31:13.880 They had to film all while he was a pup 0:31:14.040 --> 0:31:17.200 that so they wasn't Sally Pockles. So he said, you know, 0:31:17.240 --> 0:31:19.680 I'm gonna try to give it. He bought a female 0:31:19.920 --> 0:31:24.000 out of Filly River Chief out of the Missouri, I think. 0:31:24.520 --> 0:31:26.520 And then he bought a mail out of the the house 0:31:26.560 --> 0:31:30.560 in bally and to the mail was too and the 0:31:30.640 --> 0:31:33.280 female was a yearland So we got him and started 0:31:33.360 --> 0:31:37.320 raising pups. And both of those does ended up being good. 0:31:37.520 --> 0:31:41.760 They were on those were just those were you bet 0:31:41.920 --> 0:31:45.800 and and and they made wonderful landdogs and we were raised. 0:31:45.880 --> 0:31:48.680 We raised pups out of those for in or ten years, 0:31:48.720 --> 0:31:51.800 and that's when some of those puffs scattered all over 0:31:51.880 --> 0:31:55.320 the country. And some of the dogs nowadays are still related. 0:31:55.360 --> 0:31:57.920 To go back to the house of the bally Affilly 0:31:58.040 --> 0:32:03.160 River Chief for anyway. But it's hard to believe. But 0:32:03.280 --> 0:32:06.320 the Hollywood hound that came from the east was one 0:32:06.320 --> 0:32:09.800 of the most impressive young hounds Marvin and Warner had seen. 0:32:10.320 --> 0:32:13.640 They tracked it back to Missouri and built a line 0:32:13.680 --> 0:32:17.520 of lion dogs with some Apoco's relatives. A good lion 0:32:17.600 --> 0:32:24.800 dog is wherever you find him. I asked Mr Warner 0:32:24.840 --> 0:32:27.880 about his connection to the Beast of Burden, of which 0:32:27.880 --> 0:32:31.360 he is quite fond. I'll give you one guess about 0:32:31.400 --> 0:32:34.720 what my next question is about. Well, I want to 0:32:34.720 --> 0:32:39.000 talk about mules. Just give me your spill on mules 0:32:39.040 --> 0:32:42.360 and horses and cattle. Working on the rinch. We like 0:32:42.480 --> 0:32:45.080 to use horses. They're a little more respond to than 0:32:45.960 --> 0:32:49.040 that type of thing we're just although we used uld 0:32:49.080 --> 0:32:51.200 a lot of times if we don't have the horses up, 0:32:51.240 --> 0:32:53.560 if we have to work in the cattle, but in 0:32:53.600 --> 0:32:56.280 the hunting, but that I use a lot of horses. 0:32:56.320 --> 0:32:59.040 When it first started, early in the forties and early 0:32:59.160 --> 0:33:02.280 fifties and six's, we were horseback most of the time, 0:33:02.400 --> 0:33:04.960 even because we were raising all those horses in the 0:33:05.000 --> 0:33:07.960 mountain and we were breaking them our sails, so they 0:33:07.960 --> 0:33:10.520 were good mountain horses. It's kind of hard to find 0:33:10.560 --> 0:33:13.480 a good mountain horse now, but we want to use mules. 0:33:14.160 --> 0:33:17.160 We use mules all toogether now when we're hunting. They 0:33:17.280 --> 0:33:20.360 take care of themselves in that rough, rugged country. They 0:33:20.360 --> 0:33:23.200 hardly ever get crippled. Ever, hardly ever get hurt. If 0:33:23.240 --> 0:33:25.640 they do happen to fall with you, and I'm not 0:33:25.720 --> 0:33:27.560 saying the mule will fall with it, they will have 0:33:27.720 --> 0:33:30.160 had them fall with me. But usually when they get 0:33:30.160 --> 0:33:33.440 in a real bad place and fall or get in 0:33:33.480 --> 0:33:37.560 a tight situation there, they're kind of relaxing. Wait a minute, 0:33:37.600 --> 0:33:41.440 they don't panic. Were a horse were usually panic and 0:33:41.560 --> 0:33:45.040 go to London or kicking and getting frantic. Well, you 0:33:45.200 --> 0:33:48.960 might find one occasionally that would, but most mules will 0:33:49.200 --> 0:33:51.600 settle down and take it kind of ease out of 0:33:51.640 --> 0:33:55.080 a tough situation, and in doing that they allow you 0:33:55.360 --> 0:33:57.800 time to step out of the middle of the trouble. 0:33:58.160 --> 0:34:01.760 So they're not They're not London than fighting. And I'll 0:34:01.800 --> 0:34:03.760 tell you when you get it. When they go down 0:34:03.800 --> 0:34:06.880 with if there's a pause, taught you better take advantage 0:34:06.880 --> 0:34:08.680 of it, better get out of the way. I'm gonna 0:34:08.760 --> 0:34:14.319 remember that. Yeah, you told me a statement today. You said, uh, 0:34:14.440 --> 0:34:16.359 you said, we've had some good mountain horses, but I 0:34:16.360 --> 0:34:19.319 sure felt sorry for Yeah. Well, a lot of the 0:34:19.320 --> 0:34:22.480 old timers rounded wonder why do you run mules all 0:34:22.600 --> 0:34:26.640 time hunting rather horses, And I said, well, to tell 0:34:26.640 --> 0:34:29.200 you the truth, I did. You know, I just don't 0:34:29.239 --> 0:34:32.040 feel sorry for a mule and I do a horse, 0:34:34.400 --> 0:34:37.239 and I figured that mule is gonna take him and 0:34:37.320 --> 0:34:41.720 me both. I'm not saying they're not some good mountain 0:34:41.760 --> 0:34:45.080 horses still around. Some of the hunters still use horses 0:34:45.160 --> 0:34:48.400 quite a bit, but by large, most of the mountain 0:34:48.719 --> 0:34:52.120 hunters in our area use mules most of the time. 0:34:52.200 --> 0:34:55.919 Tell me about tell me about your mule Machoma. Well, 0:34:56.000 --> 0:34:58.400 I tell you yeah. And he came out of Mexico. 0:34:58.920 --> 0:35:02.120 At that time, this would have been like fifties six 0:35:02.160 --> 0:35:06.279 fifty seven fifty nineteen fifty six f set. We were 0:35:06.280 --> 0:35:08.520 doing a lot of hunting in the northern part of Sonora, 0:35:09.160 --> 0:35:11.080 in these mountains that you didn't see from here in 0:35:11.120 --> 0:35:14.239 the south ost and uh. They had a mule called 0:35:14.320 --> 0:35:17.200 Mochobo down there that one of the wranglers down there 0:35:17.280 --> 0:35:19.640 was riding. So when we came out of there that 0:35:19.800 --> 0:35:23.719 the rancher was making Armando Varela. He was making some 0:35:23.800 --> 0:35:28.319 really good horses. He had some real fancy studs. And 0:35:28.400 --> 0:35:31.440 he said for payment for catching some of the lines 0:35:31.520 --> 0:35:33.120 down and he said, word, I want to give you 0:35:33.160 --> 0:35:36.360 one of these good horses. And I said, man, I won't. No, 0:35:36.480 --> 0:35:41.320 I said, I would really drither have that bay mule calledbo. 0:35:41.760 --> 0:35:44.520 He said you would, and I said yeah. So he 0:35:44.600 --> 0:35:47.600 gave me the mule. That's where he came from. And 0:35:47.640 --> 0:35:49.480 he's one of the best mules of ever in there. 0:35:50.000 --> 0:35:53.040 He was a little wild and rank at first. He 0:35:53.320 --> 0:35:55.759 I got he kicking me a tirat to really bad. 0:35:55.880 --> 0:35:58.080 But he got over that when he got about eighteen 0:35:58.160 --> 0:36:01.600 nineteen years old. He got took a while. What was 0:36:01.640 --> 0:36:04.319 your favorite mule of all time? Well, I tell you 0:36:04.880 --> 0:36:07.560 I've had a lot of but but of all the time, 0:36:07.680 --> 0:36:10.319 if I had my pick for one to stay with, 0:36:10.680 --> 0:36:15.120 I had a white mule called Snoy River, and he 0:36:15.160 --> 0:36:17.759 would want He would do anything you wanted to do it, 0:36:17.800 --> 0:36:20.240 and he would do it good, and he was willing. 0:36:20.600 --> 0:36:23.120 He never balked. I mean, he was a good rough 0:36:23.200 --> 0:36:27.640 country You could go ahead and caw and word cattle, 0:36:27.760 --> 0:36:30.200 and he were doing. It's just a good all around mule. 0:36:31.120 --> 0:36:35.000 Carry a line too, Oh yeah, yeah, he carry it. Yeah, 0:36:35.080 --> 0:36:38.200 it's some most of here, I tell you, they're not 0:36:38.280 --> 0:36:40.360 afraid of the lion as much as you are. Bearing 0:36:41.040 --> 0:36:43.400 it seemed like our mules here, of course they don't. 0:36:43.520 --> 0:36:46.200 We don't bear hunt much. It's just very rare that 0:36:46.239 --> 0:36:50.480 they're even round m I've had. I'm riding. You'll see 0:36:50.480 --> 0:36:54.560 her in the morning, Vidian. She's she's one of those. 0:36:55.239 --> 0:36:57.520 How big a mule do you like? I don't. I 0:36:57.560 --> 0:37:00.759 don't like him too big. I like him ways of 0:37:01.000 --> 0:37:04.480 probably ten fifty to twelve fifty. These are pretty big meals. 0:37:04.480 --> 0:37:08.360 You've got that six hands? Probably are they that a 0:37:08.480 --> 0:37:11.480 couple of couple of Probably you're a big you're big guy. 0:37:11.600 --> 0:37:14.880 They're they're a little bigger than those are good DALs 0:37:14.920 --> 0:37:16.840 and what we've got now. But I'd rather have a 0:37:16.840 --> 0:37:20.000 little smaller when I'd rather have one. Uh snoy Rimond 0:37:20.040 --> 0:37:24.720 would probably he'd probably weighed ten fifty something like that 0:37:25.160 --> 0:37:29.640 when he was drowned down. Good tradition too, would have 0:37:29.640 --> 0:37:34.799 been too. Mr Warner's love of mules is music to 0:37:34.880 --> 0:37:37.440 my ears. And as you know, I'm fond of the 0:37:37.480 --> 0:37:41.279 animals too. But my fondness should not mean that much, 0:37:41.600 --> 0:37:45.160 but coming from him it should mean a lot. Warner's 0:37:45.200 --> 0:37:49.040 not on Instagram trying to look cute and flashy. Dang, 0:37:49.160 --> 0:37:53.839 I wish he was. No, I don't. It's now mid 0:37:53.920 --> 0:37:56.520 morning and we've ridden to one of the highest points 0:37:56.520 --> 0:37:59.920 on the Mouth High Ranch. Our mules are facing uphill 0:38:00.120 --> 0:38:03.480 towards the west. Mr Warner shifts around in his saddle 0:38:03.600 --> 0:38:06.680 and points to the south. The life of the Glens 0:38:06.760 --> 0:38:10.000 can't be understood without a realization of where they live. 0:38:10.440 --> 0:38:14.680 The landscape defines their existence. The southern boundary of the 0:38:14.800 --> 0:38:18.960 ranch is the Mexican border, and he's got some wild stories. 0:38:20.520 --> 0:38:23.880 So what those mountains are in Mexico. Yeah, all of 0:38:23.920 --> 0:38:30.400 this country you're looking at right south other or in Mexico. 0:38:31.040 --> 0:38:33.560 That big range you see right there kind of the 0:38:33.600 --> 0:38:38.400 southeast Others is the starting of the sier Modri Mountains 0:38:38.400 --> 0:38:42.279 and mexicoing there continuous clear to Mexico City. I can 0:38:42.400 --> 0:38:47.719 I can see the wall down there. Oh yeah, wow, 0:38:49.600 --> 0:38:51.759 you can see it on that side going out through 0:38:51.800 --> 0:38:55.520 the hills and that side going into the mountains. So 0:38:56.239 --> 0:39:00.560 just used to it was just h barbede get to 0:39:00.640 --> 0:39:03.520 barbar fits. Yeah. When we bought the rent, it was 0:39:03.600 --> 0:39:07.000 just it was an eight strand barbed war and fence 0:39:07.040 --> 0:39:11.359 and the added steel t post ever twelve feet, so 0:39:11.400 --> 0:39:13.240 it was a pretty good fifth but it was old 0:39:13.360 --> 0:39:16.000 is war out. We were men and tenants all that time. 0:39:16.560 --> 0:39:19.360 So that and then the first thing they did was 0:39:19.400 --> 0:39:21.759 built at the vehicle barrier, and that was in the 0:39:21.760 --> 0:39:25.560 early two thousand. Of course the vehicles could still get 0:39:25.560 --> 0:39:30.000 over and then they would just ramp overs. Yeah, you've 0:39:30.040 --> 0:39:33.520 had some encounters with I mean lots of encounters with 0:39:33.640 --> 0:39:37.000 people carrying drugs over the border. Yeah, I tell you, Kelly, 0:39:37.080 --> 0:39:41.960 and I probably is running into like thirty bunches in 0:39:42.040 --> 0:39:45.640 the mountains over the years that had drugged big veils 0:39:45.920 --> 0:39:48.400 right right long, and we just right I mean you 0:39:48.880 --> 0:39:51.400 you come around the the end of the canyon and 0:39:51.440 --> 0:39:53.920 they know where to go, and there right there, we 0:39:54.080 --> 0:39:56.400 just right up to them. We always got her dogs 0:39:56.480 --> 0:39:59.839 and we we got going. We thought we were never 0:40:00.000 --> 0:40:03.760 been worried about. We've never been threatened by them, because 0:40:03.840 --> 0:40:06.920 it surprises them as much as it does us. And 0:40:07.000 --> 0:40:09.320 we we just I just talked to them in Spanish 0:40:09.400 --> 0:40:12.840 and tell them we're line hunting, We're on our way. 0:40:13.000 --> 0:40:17.160 But yeah, but the looks on their faces sometimes those 0:40:17.480 --> 0:40:21.959 drug mules they call them really readership. It's a big 0:40:22.000 --> 0:40:24.680 relief to them when they know we're not tarrying the 0:40:24.800 --> 0:40:28.480 badge or something. But when we get away from them, 0:40:28.680 --> 0:40:32.200 we don't ensure report those. We we turned those. But 0:40:32.400 --> 0:40:34.719 then that's why the Border Patrol worked with us a 0:40:34.800 --> 0:40:37.319 good We've had a lot of I've run into quite 0:40:37.320 --> 0:40:42.080 a few charrying bales UH run through the ranch here, 0:40:42.760 --> 0:40:47.319 and in fact, we we've found probably over over the year, 0:40:47.480 --> 0:40:51.000 thirty or forty bales that have been abandoned. And when 0:40:51.040 --> 0:40:53.919 we do we don't pack them in. We I get 0:40:53.960 --> 0:40:56.000 the Border control to take them and have them pick 0:40:56.080 --> 0:40:59.800 them up. Well, I've I've been on this ranch lesson 0:40:59.840 --> 0:41:02.800 to only four hours. And while we were driving into 0:41:02.960 --> 0:41:05.600 your ranch, the Border patrol was pulling out of your 0:41:05.719 --> 0:41:09.680 driveway with They told us six people they had picked 0:41:09.760 --> 0:41:13.759 up just yesterday. So that's common. Yeah, that's that's the 0:41:14.040 --> 0:41:17.600 kind of an everyday coach, or at least four times 0:41:17.600 --> 0:41:23.520 a week now now. Honestly, some of his stories, and 0:41:23.560 --> 0:41:26.640 there are some very specific ones in the book, remind 0:41:26.719 --> 0:41:30.759 me of Daniel Boone's encounters with hostile Indians in the backwoods. 0:41:31.280 --> 0:41:35.520 Mr Warner has used his tech, genuine demeanor and cultural 0:41:35.600 --> 0:41:39.040 understanding he can speak Spanish to get him out of 0:41:39.120 --> 0:41:43.279 trouble a lot of times. Speaking of trouble, I want 0:41:43.280 --> 0:41:46.040 to hear Warner and his daughter Kelly tell about the 0:41:46.080 --> 0:41:49.040 time they got into some big trouble in the back 0:41:49.080 --> 0:41:53.360 country hunting lions in And this is also a great 0:41:53.360 --> 0:41:57.960 place to introduce you to Kelly Glenn Kimbro, Warner's daughter. 0:41:58.280 --> 0:42:01.560 She's worked on the ranch then lying outfitting with her 0:42:01.600 --> 0:42:05.760 father for decades. She is an accomplished rancher and dry 0:42:05.800 --> 0:42:09.480 ground lion hunter herself, and honestly, we could be doing 0:42:09.520 --> 0:42:14.760 a whole podcast on her life. What an incredible lady. Luckily, 0:42:14.960 --> 0:42:19.000 we'll hear more about her in Part two. These next 0:42:19.040 --> 0:42:22.759 interviews were done separately. That Kelly and Mr Warner are 0:42:22.840 --> 0:42:30.239 telling the same wild story. There's a mountain in the 0:42:30.280 --> 0:42:33.160 north end of the tellance she is. Actually it's in 0:42:33.200 --> 0:42:36.120 the New Mexico side called Pratt Peak, and it did 0:42:36.160 --> 0:42:39.520 a terrible rough bluffy son up the gun and wind 0:42:39.680 --> 0:42:41.759 come over the top of Pratt Peak and we would 0:42:41.880 --> 0:42:45.480 lead down through some really bad rims and rocks and stuff. 0:42:45.680 --> 0:42:48.360 And I told Kelly. She was behind me and we 0:42:48.440 --> 0:42:51.120 had to a couple behind us, and I told him, 0:42:51.160 --> 0:42:53.319 I said, I think we can ride from here on. 0:42:53.719 --> 0:42:56.319 So I got him a new little sitting there and 0:42:56.440 --> 0:42:58.680 Kelly want to get on her mule, and she had 0:42:58.719 --> 0:43:02.480 stepped She went on the peel side to get on. 0:43:03.280 --> 0:43:06.759 Here's Kelly, and there was about a couple into the 0:43:06.800 --> 0:43:09.920 snow on the boulders and stuff on our mules. We 0:43:10.000 --> 0:43:11.880 do it all the time. We get on the off side. 0:43:12.040 --> 0:43:14.440 If that's the uphill side, we get on the off side. 0:43:15.000 --> 0:43:17.400 So I stepped up on a boulder and put my 0:43:17.520 --> 0:43:19.919 right foot in the stirrup to get on, and when 0:43:19.960 --> 0:43:24.400 I did, the boulder was cracked from the freezing and 0:43:24.600 --> 0:43:27.160 thine and it broke off and it hit her on 0:43:27.200 --> 0:43:29.880 the back leg. I had just it was literally the 0:43:29.920 --> 0:43:33.240 second day I started riding after having my shoulder rebuilt, 0:43:33.680 --> 0:43:36.960 so I didn't have my full strength and I was 0:43:37.040 --> 0:43:39.959 able to grab onto the saddle, but my right foot 0:43:40.040 --> 0:43:43.120 was hung on the stirrup, so I was off hanging on. 0:43:44.000 --> 0:43:48.439 It was gonna be a disaster. She is bailing off 0:43:48.440 --> 0:43:51.960 some mountain and it was frozen ground boulders. It was 0:43:51.960 --> 0:43:54.359 a terrible deal, and I knew it was gonna hurt 0:43:54.400 --> 0:43:56.399 if I hit the ground, so I'm trying to hang on. 0:43:56.800 --> 0:44:00.440 And then she stepped This leg was back here, and 0:44:00.520 --> 0:44:02.880 she stepped right on it and it broke it in 0:44:02.920 --> 0:44:06.320 seven places. But what it did it flipped it around backwards. 0:44:06.680 --> 0:44:09.719 But when she stepped on it, it jerked this foot 0:44:09.760 --> 0:44:13.200 oil of the strup, and it jerked me free. Well. 0:44:13.200 --> 0:44:16.600 I was going so fast that they were watching Dad 0:44:16.640 --> 0:44:18.520 and Rick and Heather's the people who were with us. 0:44:18.680 --> 0:44:21.919 They said, I made like two full flips and then 0:44:21.960 --> 0:44:24.200 I hit a boulder with this side of my head, 0:44:24.520 --> 0:44:27.799 and in those flips, I remembered seeing my leg going 0:44:27.880 --> 0:44:32.120 by point in the wrong direction. She looked up, she said, Dad, 0:44:32.160 --> 0:44:34.840 my legs broken. And I said, boy, Kelly, it sure is. 0:44:35.239 --> 0:44:37.520 And I mean, what did you say it was? It 0:44:37.600 --> 0:44:40.520 was pointed south and she would head north. Oh, it 0:44:40.680 --> 0:44:44.239 was a bad deal. There was blood spewing out. I 0:44:44.239 --> 0:44:47.120 had put like a three fifty seven bullet hole right 0:44:47.120 --> 0:44:50.560 here and fractured this whole corner of my skull in 0:44:50.840 --> 0:44:54.000 one inch when I hit that rotten but it was 0:44:54.160 --> 0:44:59.480 just pouring blood. But it didn't hurt. This hurt. And 0:44:59.560 --> 0:45:02.560 he said, I know, and he grabbed my leg and 0:45:02.600 --> 0:45:04.680 he said it was like a bag of bones. It 0:45:04.840 --> 0:45:07.720 was just lost. There was a man and his wife 0:45:07.719 --> 0:45:10.440 with us, the man Ricky. He got to tell him 0:45:10.440 --> 0:45:12.759 by the arms and held her there on the hillside, 0:45:12.840 --> 0:45:15.560 just to help her stay and stabilizers as she wouldn't 0:45:15.680 --> 0:45:18.560 slide and roll in further down the mountain. I could see. 0:45:18.560 --> 0:45:20.919 I knew I had to straighten that lege. I mean, 0:45:20.960 --> 0:45:23.160 we're way up there with new We're gonna have to 0:45:23.160 --> 0:45:27.080 have reelactuated somehow. So I went ahead and I told Kelly, 0:45:27.120 --> 0:45:29.080 I'm going to straighten your leg, Kelly, and then we're 0:45:29.120 --> 0:45:32.719 gonna splice it and we'll we'll immobilize it. So I 0:45:33.160 --> 0:45:36.800 just pulled it out and pointed the tod the right direction. 0:45:37.760 --> 0:45:40.200 I went ahead and cut four or five of those 0:45:40.280 --> 0:45:44.680 yuck poles to stock that rolls out of the Yucca plant. 0:45:45.120 --> 0:45:48.319 The tournament about eighteen ins. And then I took him 0:45:48.320 --> 0:45:50.920 down there and I had to rule at electricians taping 0:45:51.000 --> 0:45:54.360 my saddle bay, and so we we got it. We 0:45:54.480 --> 0:45:59.880 got those We used those stocks for splints and taped 0:46:00.320 --> 0:46:03.640 pretty tight with that electrician tape, and then we went 0:46:03.760 --> 0:46:06.480 This was eleven o'clock in the morning, and this was 0:46:07.120 --> 0:46:10.440 this was last day at each sever and cold. We 0:46:10.520 --> 0:46:13.239 knew it. There was snow about in the eighth shore 0:46:13.280 --> 0:46:15.360 on the north slope. We were on the north slope, 0:46:15.680 --> 0:46:18.040 so it was shaking, The ground was a little frozen. 0:46:18.760 --> 0:46:22.880 Its kind of an uncomfortable place. Then we tried to 0:46:22.880 --> 0:46:26.200 get cell service, no service because we were in a 0:46:26.280 --> 0:46:28.799 basin on a peak, so it was all block. What 0:46:28.880 --> 0:46:32.960 was your anxiety level fear level? I hurt really bad 0:46:33.239 --> 0:46:35.680 and I was laying It was twenty seven degrees. I 0:46:35.719 --> 0:46:37.839 was laying there and the man was still holding me. 0:46:38.200 --> 0:46:40.680 I honestly thought they'd get me out of there pretty quick. 0:46:40.880 --> 0:46:42.839 I thought, I know, I can't walk out of here. 0:46:43.160 --> 0:46:46.719 I wasn't panicked and I never went into shock, which 0:46:46.760 --> 0:46:50.279 is amazing. The hounds kind of grouped around me. One 0:46:50.320 --> 0:46:52.399 of them, I didn't realize that it was so much 0:46:52.719 --> 0:46:56.320 was licking blood off of me. And Warner and Heather 0:46:56.640 --> 0:46:59.080 took off and hiked up to the top and got 0:46:59.120 --> 0:47:02.440 cell service and then they started coordinating this rescue while 0:47:02.480 --> 0:47:06.239 a rescue helicopter came within about an hour and they 0:47:06.320 --> 0:47:10.560 circled us and they left. It was the winds and 0:47:10.880 --> 0:47:15.360 it was too dangerous. There's nowhere to land canyon. Yeah. 0:47:15.560 --> 0:47:19.640 So in the meantime, when everybody knows us, just because 0:47:19.680 --> 0:47:22.360 we've been in this country for so long, the sheriff 0:47:22.400 --> 0:47:26.360 and Hidalgo County was talking trying to get some help 0:47:26.520 --> 0:47:30.600 and border patrol in El Paso. A pilot in El 0:47:30.680 --> 0:47:34.120 Paso was sitting in their coffee room or whatever, and 0:47:34.160 --> 0:47:36.960 they heard this a woman had been hurt on a 0:47:37.080 --> 0:47:40.720 peak in southwest New Mexico and that nobody could rescue 0:47:40.719 --> 0:47:44.080 her helicopter wise, and he said, I can. And he 0:47:44.160 --> 0:47:48.400 had just got back from Afghanistan, and there was a 0:47:48.400 --> 0:47:52.479 guy there that day, a border troll supervisor. There wasn't 0:47:52.480 --> 0:47:54.799 a pilot. He said, I'll go with you, and they 0:47:54.840 --> 0:47:57.319 loaded up in one of those little boarder troll helicopters. 0:47:57.320 --> 0:48:00.359 They flew to the mountain. They got there about six 0:48:00.400 --> 0:48:02.879 hours after I'd been hurt, because all this took time. 0:48:03.480 --> 0:48:06.480 They landed on a boulder a d seventy five yards 0:48:06.480 --> 0:48:09.239 above us, on a on a saddle, and it was 0:48:09.840 --> 0:48:13.400 sundown already, and Warner had ridden off to the valley 0:48:13.640 --> 0:48:17.239 and gotten one of those basket stretchers check in from 0:48:17.280 --> 0:48:20.400 the truck. We were like three or four miles from 0:48:20.440 --> 0:48:25.040 the truck, but it was terrible country. Border patrol got 0:48:25.080 --> 0:48:29.080 the coordinates. They started riding in on horses, hiking in. 0:48:29.520 --> 0:48:32.239 There was nine border patrol and showed up there at 0:48:32.280 --> 0:48:34.719 this and one came and they all knew us. And 0:48:34.800 --> 0:48:37.120 one guy came right to me and he goes, I'm 0:48:37.160 --> 0:48:40.040 not allowed to administer pain medicines, but I have some 0:48:40.160 --> 0:48:42.759 advil and I so I took two. By then I 0:48:42.840 --> 0:48:46.759 was I was hurting. So you're you're laying there on 0:48:46.800 --> 0:48:55.400 the rocks for seven hours with no pain medication? Bush, Yeah, 0:48:55.640 --> 0:48:58.319 But Warner and Rick. About two or three hours into it, 0:48:58.400 --> 0:49:02.520 they dug up, because literally we were like this angle. 0:49:03.160 --> 0:49:06.640 I mean, it was the whole time, you're just holding yourself. 0:49:07.040 --> 0:49:10.359 So they dug out some rocks and stuff and put 0:49:10.360 --> 0:49:13.239 a saddle blanket, and then I could sit. I could 0:49:13.320 --> 0:49:17.200 finally relax and be down and not be slight. And 0:49:17.239 --> 0:49:19.759 that poor man that was holding me had held me 0:49:19.840 --> 0:49:23.120 all that time. So when they did that, then I said, 0:49:23.280 --> 0:49:26.520 I told him, I said, Rick, I'm cold. I said, 0:49:26.560 --> 0:49:28.560 you're gonna have to build a fire. Well, there was 0:49:28.600 --> 0:49:32.520 snow on everything, so Tall burns, it has a fuel 0:49:32.520 --> 0:49:35.719 in it, a dead soul, tall plant, saccosta. These are 0:49:35.760 --> 0:49:37.759 things that we have out here. So he left so 0:49:37.960 --> 0:49:40.759 talls and and he he'd light one right there by 0:49:40.800 --> 0:49:43.200 my feet, and so he got my feet warmed up. 0:49:43.880 --> 0:49:47.440 But the border ptoleman Dad rode up. And there's a picture, 0:49:47.920 --> 0:49:51.920 an epic picture that Rick took. It's a Life magazine 0:49:51.960 --> 0:49:54.400 kind of picture. It's Warner on a mule with that 0:49:54.440 --> 0:49:57.719 stretcher in front of him, riding up the bluffs behind him, 0:49:57.960 --> 0:50:00.200 and those border patrol kind of lined up way for 0:50:00.280 --> 0:50:02.680 him to get there, and they took the stretcher and 0:50:02.719 --> 0:50:05.920 they lifted me. They were awesome, and they put me 0:50:05.960 --> 0:50:08.640 in that basket stretcher and then those guys by now 0:50:08.680 --> 0:50:11.279 it was dark, and they carried me all the way 0:50:11.360 --> 0:50:14.480 up there. Never one of them slipped or fell. I mean, 0:50:14.520 --> 0:50:17.000 they just they were a team and they got me 0:50:17.120 --> 0:50:20.600 up there. The coal pilot he said, okay, ma'am. He said, 0:50:20.640 --> 0:50:23.160 you're not going to fit in our helicopter. So he said, 0:50:23.160 --> 0:50:25.960 we're gonna stick you through sideways, and he said we're 0:50:25.960 --> 0:50:28.719 gonna put your head against the door and and then 0:50:28.760 --> 0:50:30.719 your legs are going to be sticking out in that 0:50:30.880 --> 0:50:33.960 for about two and a half feet outside. And so 0:50:34.000 --> 0:50:37.080 they tied me in with cargo straps and he held 0:50:37.120 --> 0:50:41.640 onto me and off we went. We had eleven people 0:50:41.800 --> 0:50:44.799 up on the mountain. Pratt peeked to get off there, 0:50:45.400 --> 0:50:47.640 and we got everybody up there. We were back to 0:50:47.680 --> 0:50:51.600 our truck and trailers, probably at eleven o'clock. We got 0:50:51.640 --> 0:50:59.279 back here at one next morning. Lonely, Okay, bad. It 0:50:59.280 --> 0:51:03.560 could have been much worse. Yeah, And Kelly, Kelly, she 0:51:03.719 --> 0:51:08.160 made it fine. Yeah, there's one of the times that 0:51:08.320 --> 0:51:14.000 Kelly heard who We're going more wild stories, you say, 0:51:14.160 --> 0:51:18.319 Mr Warner. That sounds interesting. I got bit by a lion. 0:51:18.440 --> 0:51:23.200 Did Dad tell you that? Okay? So, so last so 0:51:23.320 --> 0:51:27.880 March eighth of nineteen, we're hunting at in New Mexico. 0:51:28.320 --> 0:51:30.920 We tree this calf killing lion in a stand of 0:51:31.000 --> 0:51:34.600 pine trees and the guy with us shoots him twice 0:51:34.719 --> 0:51:38.319 in the chest. Everything's good and he falls out. Then 0:51:38.400 --> 0:51:40.960 the dogs pulled him downhill and they wrapped his body 0:51:41.000 --> 0:51:43.200 around a tree and it was kind of steep, and 0:51:43.239 --> 0:51:45.720 then he went limp. And you know how dogs wool 0:51:46.880 --> 0:51:49.120 lying around that, they're all wanting to chew on it. Dad, 0:51:49.200 --> 0:51:52.640 it's a reward. So Dad and I said, he's dead. Yeah, 0:51:52.680 --> 0:51:56.360 he's dead. He's dead. But I am a miss practicality. 0:51:56.440 --> 0:51:58.479 I didn't want him to drag him down the hill, 0:51:58.840 --> 0:52:00.720 so we'd have to pull him back kept the skinning. 0:52:00.800 --> 0:52:02.600 So I put my foot on the back of his 0:52:02.640 --> 0:52:05.640 shoulders to hold him against a tree. And no kidding, 0:52:05.880 --> 0:52:09.800 he stands up, turns around and I remember thinking, oh, man, 0:52:10.600 --> 0:52:13.040 his eyes are yellow. He's looked at and then he 0:52:13.160 --> 0:52:16.440 just reaches out grabsh me by this like, jerks me 0:52:16.520 --> 0:52:19.560 down and bites me right through the calf slipped off 0:52:19.600 --> 0:52:22.960 the bone, did not break the bone right through the meat. Well, Warner, 0:52:23.920 --> 0:52:29.480 Mr fearless Warner is wailing on him with his spiths 0:52:30.280 --> 0:52:32.680 to getting to turn loose to me, and the dogs 0:52:32.680 --> 0:52:37.160 are garbalistic because I yelled when I hit the ground 0:52:37.440 --> 0:52:41.080 and he bit me and he lets go. Then he 0:52:41.160 --> 0:52:43.600 takes off and runs off, and the dogs went and 0:52:43.680 --> 0:52:47.359 Warner went, and Warner shot him point blank with his pistol. Well, 0:52:47.360 --> 0:52:49.440 the poor guy with us had never been in on 0:52:49.520 --> 0:52:52.200 a lion or any of that. First he says, did 0:52:52.239 --> 0:52:55.279 you see him by you? And I'm like, yeah, I did, 0:52:55.920 --> 0:52:59.160 and I'm thinking, oh, man, I'm thinking he broke my leg. 0:52:59.600 --> 0:53:02.239 It hurt. I said, go help Warner. So I took 0:53:02.280 --> 0:53:04.640 off my shoe and rolled up my long underwear and 0:53:05.000 --> 0:53:08.680 blood was everywhere, and I had fourteen puncture wounds, the 0:53:08.800 --> 0:53:12.160 canines and the clause. So I put my foot against 0:53:12.160 --> 0:53:16.839 a tree and gently pushed. And my experiment was if 0:53:16.880 --> 0:53:20.759 it moves, it's broken, and if it doesn't. So by 0:53:20.760 --> 0:53:22.719 the time they got up there, it hadn't moved, and 0:53:22.760 --> 0:53:30.880 I said, Dad, it's just superficial, just superficial. Well, ironically, 0:53:31.160 --> 0:53:34.239 we bandaged it up and stopped the bleeding and went 0:53:34.280 --> 0:53:37.360 down and skinned the lion and rode out an hour 0:53:37.760 --> 0:53:40.440 minutes to the truck. And so they gave me a 0:53:40.520 --> 0:53:44.360 raby shot in each puncture. They don't sew up puncture wounds. 0:53:44.640 --> 0:53:47.439 You know. It took seventy five days for those to heal. 0:53:47.640 --> 0:53:50.080 But I drove back over there the next day. We 0:53:50.120 --> 0:53:53.120 caught two more lions. In the next three days I hunted. 0:53:53.200 --> 0:53:56.200 There was no pain, and we caught two more lions. 0:53:56.440 --> 0:54:03.359 On that hunt. There were calf killers. On part one 0:54:03.400 --> 0:54:07.080 of this podcast series, we've just barely introduced the Glens, 0:54:07.080 --> 0:54:10.759 and they've given us insight into their lifestyle, history and 0:54:10.840 --> 0:54:15.320 some iconic family stories. Next episode will dive in deeper 0:54:15.360 --> 0:54:18.359 into the craft of dry ground lion hunting and will 0:54:18.440 --> 0:54:21.799 learn that Warner was the first person to document a 0:54:21.840 --> 0:54:25.239 live jaguar in the United States. He wrote a short 0:54:25.280 --> 0:54:28.520 book about it called Eyes of Fire. We're gonna hear 0:54:28.560 --> 0:54:32.840 the whole story directly from him. I truly cherished the 0:54:32.880 --> 0:54:36.760 opportunity to highlight families like the Glens. In my opinion, 0:54:37.000 --> 0:54:40.120 Mr Warner is the embodiment of a living legend, and 0:54:40.160 --> 0:54:43.839 we haven't even heard half the story. Later we'll learn 0:54:43.920 --> 0:54:47.160 how he and his wife Wendy, who has since passed away, 0:54:47.320 --> 0:54:51.879 helped start an influential conservation group called the Maupi Borderlands Group. 0:54:52.360 --> 0:54:55.239 You also haven't heard about the fist fight in his 0:54:55.360 --> 0:54:59.759 younger years that catalyzed a life altering change in Mr 0:55:00.000 --> 0:55:04.040 Warner about how to deal with confrontation. Later in his life, 0:55:04.120 --> 0:55:06.720 he'd be known as a diplomat for the open country 0:55:06.719 --> 0:55:10.880 of southeast Arizona. Here's what Kelly had to say in 0:55:11.040 --> 0:55:16.520 closing about her father. We have a unique lifestyle. We 0:55:16.600 --> 0:55:20.640 have a unique family because we were raised to respect 0:55:20.680 --> 0:55:24.799 each other, to be cohesive, to collaborate, whether it was 0:55:24.880 --> 0:55:28.000 to collaborate with our family to get it done or 0:55:28.239 --> 0:55:32.919 to collaborate. So the with changing of time and conservation 0:55:33.040 --> 0:55:36.320 becoming such a big deal, you know, we are so blessed. 0:55:36.480 --> 0:55:40.240 Mackenzie is sixth generation. She will carry on the ranches 0:55:40.560 --> 0:55:43.520 she wants to. We've given her every choice, not to 0:55:44.120 --> 0:55:47.040 what she's doing right now in her side business. We 0:55:47.120 --> 0:55:49.880 want her to be able to develop something that she 0:55:50.000 --> 0:55:54.759 can call her own, because until Warner's gone, and then 0:55:54.800 --> 0:55:59.120 I'm gone, she will be under the umbrella. You know, 0:55:59.360 --> 0:56:05.640 she won't be the leader. However, Warner has gracefully let 0:56:06.160 --> 0:56:10.759 Mackenzie and I take on more and more and we 0:56:10.880 --> 0:56:14.799 do it respectfully. I know the answer, but I ask 0:56:14.920 --> 0:56:19.640 Warner one thing I think is left out in a 0:56:19.640 --> 0:56:24.120 lot of families as they transition through the generations. A 0:56:24.160 --> 0:56:28.120 lot of times the elderly generation doesn't really give the 0:56:28.160 --> 0:56:32.120 next generation a lot of respect because they're still stuck 0:56:32.200 --> 0:56:35.840 in that in that mindset, and they are still in power. 0:56:36.680 --> 0:56:39.759 And Dad's pretty good at that. He's pretty there's now 0:56:39.800 --> 0:56:43.479 and then he'll he'll say he'll say something real quick 0:56:43.480 --> 0:56:47.480 and forceful, and then he'll backtrack immediately and say, tell 0:56:47.480 --> 0:56:49.480 me the rest of the story, because I know the 0:56:49.520 --> 0:56:51.239 rest of the story. It's like whether it was to 0:56:51.280 --> 0:56:53.920 do with the border or whatever was happening. I'm the 0:56:53.960 --> 0:56:57.200 one that's getting the emails, the phone calls. Dad has 0:56:57.280 --> 0:57:01.720 a great life. He's he knows and exercises his dogs, 0:57:02.200 --> 0:57:06.480 he does his ranch work. We kind of run interference 0:57:07.120 --> 0:57:10.440 with with the way life is nowadays. As you know, 0:57:10.520 --> 0:57:14.240 there's so many issues. But I would just say something 0:57:14.280 --> 0:57:18.800 that's forgotten in a lot of families and is maintain 0:57:18.840 --> 0:57:22.280 your traditions and your the history of your family, and 0:57:22.320 --> 0:57:27.880 the ethics and respect and morals of your family, your community, 0:57:28.080 --> 0:57:32.680 your environment, your landscape. Because we're only here for a 0:57:32.720 --> 0:57:36.720 short time, but we need to when we leave, we 0:57:36.800 --> 0:57:39.520 need to be remembered as Warner will be as a legend. 0:57:40.080 --> 0:57:43.840 It's been a great life. I've been so blessed to 0:57:44.080 --> 0:57:49.160 have such a mentor. And sometimes it's been really tough 0:57:49.320 --> 0:57:53.040 because I'm a woman in a man's world. Luckily, my 0:57:53.120 --> 0:57:57.000 dad has respected women and there and and the fact 0:57:57.080 --> 0:57:59.800 that they can work equally hard. Like I said, O 0:58:00.040 --> 0:58:05.120 here be your personal best, do your best. And that's 0:58:05.120 --> 0:58:08.520 what Warner. That's all he asked of people, whether it's 0:58:08.560 --> 0:58:12.880 clients or family or that's incredible. We did, ah, We 0:58:13.000 --> 0:58:18.360 just did an extensive podcast series on Daniel Boone. What's 0:58:18.400 --> 0:58:21.240 wild about the end of Daniel Boone's life. Boone lived 0:58:21.240 --> 0:58:23.720 to be eighties six years old. They said, when he 0:58:23.960 --> 0:58:27.640 was an old man, he hardly recognized the life that 0:58:27.720 --> 0:58:30.880 he had lived. And he was quiet and he was humble, 0:58:31.200 --> 0:58:32.600 and you would have thought he would have been this 0:58:32.720 --> 0:58:36.480 like proud, boastful guy for all the incredible stuff he 0:58:36.480 --> 0:58:38.480 did in his life. And there was a woman, a 0:58:38.520 --> 0:58:42.320 family member that said, the old woodsman that had spent 0:58:42.400 --> 0:58:46.160 their life in solitude, when they were old, they were humble, 0:58:46.480 --> 0:58:49.360 they were meek. I see that almost in your dad. 0:58:50.240 --> 0:58:53.680 There's a humility that is unique that you would have 0:58:53.720 --> 0:58:57.320 You would you would think that life would have built 0:58:57.360 --> 0:59:00.400 them up inside of their accomplishments. But but but it 0:59:00.440 --> 0:59:04.520 actually has made him more humble, exactly exactly. And he'll 0:59:04.520 --> 0:59:08.080 tell so young houndsman will ask Warner. You know, he would. 0:59:08.120 --> 0:59:10.200 We all we've always said he always kept up with 0:59:10.240 --> 0:59:13.240 his dogs a foot, which he did. One day, this 0:59:13.280 --> 0:59:15.720 young man asked him, He said, how do you do that? 0:59:16.040 --> 0:59:22.960 And Dad said, well, I just got slower dogs. But yeah, yeah, humble. 0:59:23.080 --> 0:59:26.240 And just like the example of that lead dog way 0:59:26.320 --> 0:59:30.560 up there, quietly going on, the old dog. We have 0:59:30.640 --> 0:59:34.280 an old dog named Hook. And when you see Hook 0:59:34.320 --> 0:59:41.240 two yards out there quietly going on, that's, you know, 0:59:41.360 --> 0:59:55.360 that's an example of what Warner is. I had never 0:59:55.440 --> 0:59:58.400 met nor spoken with Warner Glenn before I showed up 0:59:58.400 --> 1:00:00.880 in his barn lot. I knew he was a man 1:00:00.920 --> 1:00:03.800 of character and a man of the land. But what 1:00:04.000 --> 1:00:08.240 impacted me the most was something I wasn't expecting. It's 1:00:08.240 --> 1:00:11.680 a trait that the gunslinging John Wayne images of the 1:00:11.720 --> 1:00:17.720 Western cowboy typically don't embody, which is an authentic humility. 1:00:18.080 --> 1:00:21.160 Manhood is an interesting journey because we want to be 1:00:21.200 --> 1:00:25.480 bold and confident, which are both honorable traits, but we 1:00:25.560 --> 1:00:28.160 might be fooled into thinking that is supposed to be 1:00:28.240 --> 1:00:33.520 the dominant, most important feature of who we are as men. However, 1:00:33.600 --> 1:00:36.880 what Mr Warner showed me in the very short time 1:00:37.040 --> 1:00:40.560 I was with him that confidence and boldness flow out 1:00:40.640 --> 1:00:45.280 of humility and servant hood of those who you're around. 1:00:46.040 --> 1:00:48.880 What you wouldn't have seen when the recording devices weren't 1:00:48.880 --> 1:00:52.120 on was Warner Glenn putting away our dishes from the table, 1:00:52.320 --> 1:00:55.920 serving us food, taking genuine interest in our lives, and 1:00:56.000 --> 1:00:58.920 doing things for us he didn't have to do. One 1:00:58.960 --> 1:01:01.160 could argue that any one could put on their best 1:01:01.200 --> 1:01:04.360 behavior for a guest, but I can tell you there 1:01:04.400 --> 1:01:10.000 aren't two Mr Warners. There's only one, and that is 1:01:10.000 --> 1:01:14.680 the definition of authentic and that's what I want to 1:01:14.800 --> 1:01:21.320 be when I grow up again. I can't thank you 1:01:21.480 --> 1:01:24.959 enough for listening to Bear Greece. Don't miss part two 1:01:24.960 --> 1:01:28.120 of this series on Mr Warner and Kelly. I have 1:01:28.160 --> 1:01:31.160 a feeling it's gonna be better than the first. Please 1:01:31.240 --> 1:01:34.800 do me a favor and share our podcast with the Buddy. 1:01:35.040 --> 1:01:40.400 This week good hunting and keep the Open Country Open.