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Speaker 1: Here's what he said. Mr Warner, you've been in Arizona

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Speaker 1: but really, I mean, I mean at that time we

429
00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:50,560
Speaker 1: didn't think much of it, but and it was. It

430
00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:53,600
Speaker 1: was something we did. We didn't think we're doing the

431
00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:56,880
Speaker 1: wrong thing. But over the years you kind of say,

432
00:28:57,120 --> 00:28:59,480
Speaker 1: how would you like to be stuck stuck in the

433
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:03,520
Speaker 1: taking me, you know, because I'm used to free life

434
00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:09,280
Speaker 1: and show the land. Yeah, some people may think they're

435
00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:12,000
Speaker 1: cool or that they're cowboys. And if they've got a

436
00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:15,320
Speaker 1: story that will top roping a wild mountain lion out

437
00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:17,400
Speaker 1: of a tree when they're fifteen years old for a

438
00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:21,440
Speaker 1: Disney movie, yep, I said, Disney, I'll buy him an

439
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:24,600
Speaker 1: angus river by steak and a beaver felt hat. Mr

440
00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:29,160
Speaker 1: Warner went on to describe how this movie impacted their

441
00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:34,600
Speaker 1: lion hounds for decades to come, and the pole of

442
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:37,640
Speaker 1: the name of Larry Landsberg came out and got used

443
00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:40,080
Speaker 1: to help him film that. It was really a story

444
00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:43,200
Speaker 1: about a hound that had got that came across the

445
00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:47,560
Speaker 1: Mexican border and Disney actually they brought a walk around

446
00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:51,000
Speaker 1: tree and walk around that was nine months old. Your fellow,

447
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:55,040
Speaker 1: the neighbor, Jay Sissler, had trained the dog this having

448
00:29:56,760 --> 00:30:00,640
Speaker 1: and that's something well, I mean he just did everything

449
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:04,760
Speaker 1: that we asked for him in the movie. Yeah, yeah,

450
00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:07,360
Speaker 1: it did, and and it's kind of a cute little story.

451
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:11,320
Speaker 1: Uh rex Allen there, Rachel. But anyway, it went on

452
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:14,440
Speaker 1: to win the Tendey Ward that year for the Best

453
00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:17,920
Speaker 1: Live Action Short. It was a short twenty minute short

454
00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:22,719
Speaker 1: that showed me the feature film. That's something. Before that

455
00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:25,560
Speaker 1: picture we were most of all our dogs were black

456
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:28,840
Speaker 1: and tan and red bone blue tick. Uh you know

457
00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:33,080
Speaker 1: red tick, that type of just the old English breeds

458
00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:35,920
Speaker 1: and a good dog. I mean, we had some good

459
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:38,000
Speaker 1: son of a gun. And then when we saw that

460
00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:40,880
Speaker 1: walker that that they trained was a walker a tree

461
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:45,640
Speaker 1: and walker out of somebody right there in your country. Sure.

462
00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:49,920
Speaker 1: So when the movie was over, Daddy tried to They

463
00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:52,880
Speaker 1: called in the in the movie that a dog is

464
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:57,600
Speaker 1: called Puckle that name, and so he tried to buyo Poco,

465
00:30:57,720 --> 00:31:01,360
Speaker 1: and they wouldn't tell him. We gotta we might need

466
00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:03,800
Speaker 1: him for this and that, which they did. Later they

467
00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:08,520
Speaker 1: came back and filled something for that uh Disney presents

468
00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:11,160
Speaker 1: at night. They can't and they had to do it all.

469
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:13,880
Speaker 1: They had to film all while he was a pup

470
00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:17,200
Speaker 1: that so they wasn't Sally Pockles. So he said, you know,

471
00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:19,680
Speaker 1: I'm gonna try to give it. He bought a female

472
00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:24,000
Speaker 1: out of Filly River Chief out of the Missouri, I think.

473
00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:26,520
Speaker 1: And then he bought a mail out of the the house

474
00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:30,560
Speaker 1: in bally and to the mail was too and the

475
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:33,280
Speaker 1: female was a yearland So we got him and started

476
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:37,320
Speaker 1: raising pups. And both of those does ended up being good.

477
00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:41,760
Speaker 1: They were on those were just those were you bet

478
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:45,800
Speaker 1: and and and they made wonderful landdogs and we were raised.

479
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:48,680
Speaker 1: We raised pups out of those for in or ten years,

480
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:51,800
Speaker 1: and that's when some of those puffs scattered all over

481
00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:55,320
Speaker 1: the country. And some of the dogs nowadays are still related.

482
00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:57,920
Speaker 1: To go back to the house of the bally Affilly

483
00:31:58,040 --> 00:32:03,160
Speaker 1: River Chief for anyway. But it's hard to believe. But

484
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:06,320
Speaker 1: the Hollywood hound that came from the east was one

485
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:09,800
Speaker 1: of the most impressive young hounds Marvin and Warner had seen.

486
00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:13,640
Speaker 1: They tracked it back to Missouri and built a line

487
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:17,520
Speaker 1: of lion dogs with some Apoco's relatives. A good lion

488
00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:24,800
Speaker 1: dog is wherever you find him. I asked Mr Warner

489
00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:27,880
Speaker 1: about his connection to the Beast of Burden, of which

490
00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:31,360
Speaker 1: he is quite fond. I'll give you one guess about

491
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:34,720
Speaker 1: what my next question is about. Well, I want to

492
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:39,000
Speaker 1: talk about mules. Just give me your spill on mules

493
00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:42,360
Speaker 1: and horses and cattle. Working on the rinch. We like

494
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:45,080
Speaker 1: to use horses. They're a little more respond to than

495
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:49,040
Speaker 1: that type of thing we're just although we used uld

496
00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:51,200
Speaker 1: a lot of times if we don't have the horses up,

497
00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:53,560
Speaker 1: if we have to work in the cattle, but in

498
00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:56,280
Speaker 1: the hunting, but that I use a lot of horses.

499
00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:59,040
Speaker 1: When it first started, early in the forties and early

500
00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:02,280
Speaker 1: fifties and six's, we were horseback most of the time,

501
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:04,960
Speaker 1: even because we were raising all those horses in the

502
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:07,960
Speaker 1: mountain and we were breaking them our sails, so they

503
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:10,520
Speaker 1: were good mountain horses. It's kind of hard to find

504
00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:13,480
Speaker 1: a good mountain horse now, but we want to use mules.

505
00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:17,160
Speaker 1: We use mules all toogether now when we're hunting. They

506
00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:20,360
Speaker 1: take care of themselves in that rough, rugged country. They

507
00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:23,200
Speaker 1: hardly ever get crippled. Ever, hardly ever get hurt. If

508
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:25,640
Speaker 1: they do happen to fall with you, and I'm not

509
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:27,560
Speaker 1: saying the mule will fall with it, they will have

510
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:30,160
Speaker 1: had them fall with me. But usually when they get

511
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:33,440
Speaker 1: in a real bad place and fall or get in

512
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:37,560
Speaker 1: a tight situation there, they're kind of relaxing. Wait a minute,

513
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:41,440
Speaker 1: they don't panic. Were a horse were usually panic and

514
00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:45,040
Speaker 1: go to London or kicking and getting frantic. Well, you

515
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:48,960
Speaker 1: might find one occasionally that would, but most mules will

516
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:51,600
Speaker 1: settle down and take it kind of ease out of

517
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:55,080
Speaker 1: a tough situation, and in doing that they allow you

518
00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:57,800
Speaker 1: time to step out of the middle of the trouble.

519
00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:01,760
Speaker 1: So they're not They're not London than fighting. And I'll

520
00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:03,760
Speaker 1: tell you when you get it. When they go down

521
00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:06,880
Speaker 1: with if there's a pause, taught you better take advantage

522
00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:08,680
Speaker 1: of it, better get out of the way. I'm gonna

523
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:14,319
Speaker 1: remember that. Yeah, you told me a statement today. You said, uh,

524
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:16,359
Speaker 1: you said, we've had some good mountain horses, but I

525
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:19,319
Speaker 1: sure felt sorry for Yeah. Well, a lot of the

526
00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:22,480
Speaker 1: old timers rounded wonder why do you run mules all

527
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:26,640
Speaker 1: time hunting rather horses, And I said, well, to tell

528
00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:29,200
Speaker 1: you the truth, I did. You know, I just don't

529
00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:32,040
Speaker 1: feel sorry for a mule and I do a horse,

530
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:37,239
Speaker 1: and I figured that mule is gonna take him and

531
00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:41,720
Speaker 1: me both. I'm not saying they're not some good mountain

532
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:45,080
Speaker 1: horses still around. Some of the hunters still use horses

533
00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:48,400
Speaker 1: quite a bit, but by large, most of the mountain

534
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:52,120
Speaker 1: hunters in our area use mules most of the time.

535
00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:55,919
Speaker 1: Tell me about tell me about your mule Machoma. Well,

536
00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:58,400
Speaker 1: I tell you yeah. And he came out of Mexico.

537
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:02,120
Speaker 1: At that time, this would have been like fifties six

538
00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:06,279
Speaker 1: fifty seven fifty nineteen fifty six f set. We were

539
00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:08,520
Speaker 1: doing a lot of hunting in the northern part of Sonora,

540
00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:11,080
Speaker 1: in these mountains that you didn't see from here in

541
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:14,239
Speaker 1: the south ost and uh. They had a mule called

542
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:17,200
Speaker 1: Mochobo down there that one of the wranglers down there

543
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:19,640
Speaker 1: was riding. So when we came out of there that

544
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:23,719
Speaker 1: the rancher was making Armando Varela. He was making some

545
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:28,319
Speaker 1: really good horses. He had some real fancy studs. And

546
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:31,440
Speaker 1: he said for payment for catching some of the lines

547
00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:33,120
Speaker 1: down and he said, word, I want to give you

548
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:36,360
Speaker 1: one of these good horses. And I said, man, I won't. No,

549
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:41,320
Speaker 1: I said, I would really drither have that bay mule calledbo.

550
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:44,520
Speaker 1: He said you would, and I said yeah. So he

551
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:47,600
Speaker 1: gave me the mule. That's where he came from. And

552
00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:49,480
Speaker 1: he's one of the best mules of ever in there.

553
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:53,040
Speaker 1: He was a little wild and rank at first. He

554
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:55,759
Speaker 1: I got he kicking me a tirat to really bad.

555
00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:58,080
Speaker 1: But he got over that when he got about eighteen

556
00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:01,600
Speaker 1: nineteen years old. He got took a while. What was

557
00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:04,319
Speaker 1: your favorite mule of all time? Well, I tell you

558
00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:07,560
Speaker 1: I've had a lot of but but of all the time,

559
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:10,319
Speaker 1: if I had my pick for one to stay with,

560
00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:15,120
Speaker 1: I had a white mule called Snoy River, and he

561
00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:17,759
Speaker 1: would want He would do anything you wanted to do it,

562
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:20,240
Speaker 1: and he would do it good, and he was willing.

563
00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:23,120
Speaker 1: He never balked. I mean, he was a good rough

564
00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:27,640
Speaker 1: country You could go ahead and caw and word cattle,

565
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:30,200
Speaker 1: and he were doing. It's just a good all around mule.

566
00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:35,000
Speaker 1: Carry a line too, Oh yeah, yeah, he carry it. Yeah,

567
00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:38,200
Speaker 1: it's some most of here, I tell you, they're not

568
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:40,360
Speaker 1: afraid of the lion as much as you are. Bearing

569
00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:43,400
Speaker 1: it seemed like our mules here, of course they don't.

570
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:46,200
Speaker 1: We don't bear hunt much. It's just very rare that

571
00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:50,480
Speaker 1: they're even round m I've had. I'm riding. You'll see

572
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:54,560
Speaker 1: her in the morning, Vidian. She's she's one of those.

573
00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:57,520
Speaker 1: How big a mule do you like? I don't. I

574
00:36:57,560 --> 00:37:00,759
Speaker 1: don't like him too big. I like him ways of

575
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:04,480
Speaker 1: probably ten fifty to twelve fifty. These are pretty big meals.

576
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:08,360
Speaker 1: You've got that six hands? Probably are they that a

577
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:11,480
Speaker 1: couple of couple of Probably you're a big you're big guy.

578
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:14,880
Speaker 1: They're they're a little bigger than those are good DALs

579
00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:16,840
Speaker 1: and what we've got now. But I'd rather have a

580
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:20,000
Speaker 1: little smaller when I'd rather have one. Uh snoy Rimond

581
00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:24,720
Speaker 1: would probably he'd probably weighed ten fifty something like that

582
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:29,640
Speaker 1: when he was drowned down. Good tradition too, would have

583
00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:34,799
Speaker 1: been too. Mr Warner's love of mules is music to

584
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:37,440
Speaker 1: my ears. And as you know, I'm fond of the

585
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:41,279
Speaker 1: animals too. But my fondness should not mean that much,

586
00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:45,160
Speaker 1: but coming from him it should mean a lot. Warner's

587
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:49,040
Speaker 1: not on Instagram trying to look cute and flashy. Dang,

588
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:53,839
Speaker 1: I wish he was. No, I don't. It's now mid

589
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:56,520
Speaker 1: morning and we've ridden to one of the highest points

590
00:37:56,520 --> 00:37:59,920
Speaker 1: on the Mouth High Ranch. Our mules are facing uphill

591
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:03,480
Speaker 1: towards the west. Mr Warner shifts around in his saddle

592
00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:06,680
Speaker 1: and points to the south. The life of the Glens

593
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:10,000
Speaker 1: can't be understood without a realization of where they live.

594
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:14,680
Speaker 1: The landscape defines their existence. The southern boundary of the

595
00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:18,960
Speaker 1: ranch is the Mexican border, and he's got some wild stories.

596
00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:23,880
Speaker 1: So what those mountains are in Mexico. Yeah, all of

597
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:30,400
Speaker 1: this country you're looking at right south other or in Mexico.

598
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:33,560
Speaker 1: That big range you see right there kind of the

599
00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:38,400
Speaker 1: southeast Others is the starting of the sier Modri Mountains

600
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:42,279
Speaker 1: and mexicoing there continuous clear to Mexico City. I can

601
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:47,719
Speaker 1: I can see the wall down there. Oh yeah, wow,

602
00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:51,759
Speaker 1: you can see it on that side going out through

603
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:55,520
Speaker 1: the hills and that side going into the mountains. So

604
00:38:56,239 --> 00:39:00,560
Speaker 1: just used to it was just h barbede get to

605
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:03,520
Speaker 1: barbar fits. Yeah. When we bought the rent, it was

606
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:07,000
Speaker 1: just it was an eight strand barbed war and fence

607
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:11,359
Speaker 1: and the added steel t post ever twelve feet, so

608
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:13,240
Speaker 1: it was a pretty good fifth but it was old

609
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:16,000
Speaker 1: is war out. We were men and tenants all that time.

610
00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:19,360
Speaker 1: So that and then the first thing they did was

611
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:21,759
Speaker 1: built at the vehicle barrier, and that was in the

612
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:25,560
Speaker 1: early two thousand. Of course the vehicles could still get

613
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:30,000
Speaker 1: over and then they would just ramp overs. Yeah, you've

614
00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:33,520
Speaker 1: had some encounters with I mean lots of encounters with

615
00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:37,000
Speaker 1: people carrying drugs over the border. Yeah, I tell you, Kelly,

616
00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:41,960
Speaker 1: and I probably is running into like thirty bunches in

617
00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:45,640
Speaker 1: the mountains over the years that had drugged big veils

618
00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:48,400
Speaker 1: right right long, and we just right I mean you

619
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:51,400
Speaker 1: you come around the the end of the canyon and

620
00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:53,920
Speaker 1: they know where to go, and there right there, we

621
00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:56,400
Speaker 1: just right up to them. We always got her dogs

622
00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:59,839
Speaker 1: and we we got going. We thought we were never

623
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:03,760
Speaker 1: been worried about. We've never been threatened by them, because

624
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:06,920
Speaker 1: it surprises them as much as it does us. And

625
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:09,320
Speaker 1: we we just I just talked to them in Spanish

626
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:12,840
Speaker 1: and tell them we're line hunting, We're on our way.

627
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:17,160
Speaker 1: But yeah, but the looks on their faces sometimes those

628
00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:21,959
Speaker 1: drug mules they call them really readership. It's a big

629
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:24,680
Speaker 1: relief to them when they know we're not tarrying the

630
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:28,480
Speaker 1: badge or something. But when we get away from them,

631
00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:32,200
Speaker 1: we don't ensure report those. We we turned those. But

632
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:34,719
Speaker 1: then that's why the Border Patrol worked with us a

633
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:37,319
Speaker 1: good We've had a lot of I've run into quite

634
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:42,080
Speaker 1: a few charrying bales UH run through the ranch here,

635
00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:47,319
Speaker 1: and in fact, we we've found probably over over the year,

636
00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:51,000
Speaker 1: thirty or forty bales that have been abandoned. And when

637
00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:53,919
Speaker 1: we do we don't pack them in. We I get

638
00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:56,000
Speaker 1: the Border control to take them and have them pick

639
00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:59,800
Speaker 1: them up. Well, I've I've been on this ranch lesson

640
00:40:59,840 --> 00:41:02,800
Speaker 1: to only four hours. And while we were driving into

641
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:05,600
Speaker 1: your ranch, the Border patrol was pulling out of your

642
00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:09,680
Speaker 1: driveway with They told us six people they had picked

643
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:13,759
Speaker 1: up just yesterday. So that's common. Yeah, that's that's the

644
00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:17,600
Speaker 1: kind of an everyday coach, or at least four times

645
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:23,520
Speaker 1: a week now now. Honestly, some of his stories, and

646
00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:26,640
Speaker 1: there are some very specific ones in the book, remind

647
00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:30,759
Speaker 1: me of Daniel Boone's encounters with hostile Indians in the backwoods.

648
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:35,520
Speaker 1: Mr Warner has used his tech, genuine demeanor and cultural

649
00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:39,040
Speaker 1: understanding he can speak Spanish to get him out of

650
00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:43,279
Speaker 1: trouble a lot of times. Speaking of trouble, I want

651
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:46,040
Speaker 1: to hear Warner and his daughter Kelly tell about the

652
00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:49,040
Speaker 1: time they got into some big trouble in the back

653
00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:53,360
Speaker 1: country hunting lions in And this is also a great

654
00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:57,960
Speaker 1: place to introduce you to Kelly Glenn Kimbro, Warner's daughter.

655
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:01,560
Speaker 1: She's worked on the ranch then lying outfitting with her

656
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:05,760
Speaker 1: father for decades. She is an accomplished rancher and dry

657
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:09,480
Speaker 1: ground lion hunter herself, and honestly, we could be doing

658
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:14,760
Speaker 1: a whole podcast on her life. What an incredible lady. Luckily,

659
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:19,000
Speaker 1: we'll hear more about her in Part two. These next

660
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:22,759
Speaker 1: interviews were done separately. That Kelly and Mr Warner are

661
00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:30,239
Speaker 1: telling the same wild story. There's a mountain in the

662
00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:33,160
Speaker 1: north end of the tellance she is. Actually it's in

663
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:36,120
Speaker 1: the New Mexico side called Pratt Peak, and it did

664
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:39,520
Speaker 1: a terrible rough bluffy son up the gun and wind

665
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:41,759
Speaker 1: come over the top of Pratt Peak and we would

666
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:45,480
Speaker 1: lead down through some really bad rims and rocks and stuff.

667
00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:48,360
Speaker 1: And I told Kelly. She was behind me and we

668
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:51,120
Speaker 1: had to a couple behind us, and I told him,

669
00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:53,319
Speaker 1: I said, I think we can ride from here on.

670
00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:56,319
Speaker 1: So I got him a new little sitting there and

671
00:42:56,440 --> 00:42:58,680
Speaker 1: Kelly want to get on her mule, and she had

672
00:42:58,719 --> 00:43:02,480
Speaker 1: stepped She went on the peel side to get on.

673
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:06,759
Speaker 1: Here's Kelly, and there was about a couple into the

674
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:09,920
Speaker 1: snow on the boulders and stuff on our mules. We

675
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:11,880
Speaker 1: do it all the time. We get on the off side.

676
00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:14,440
Speaker 1: If that's the uphill side, we get on the off side.

677
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:17,400
Speaker 1: So I stepped up on a boulder and put my

678
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:19,919
Speaker 1: right foot in the stirrup to get on, and when

679
00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:24,400
Speaker 1: I did, the boulder was cracked from the freezing and

680
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:27,160
Speaker 1: thine and it broke off and it hit her on

681
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:29,880
Speaker 1: the back leg. I had just it was literally the

682
00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:33,240
Speaker 1: second day I started riding after having my shoulder rebuilt,

683
00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:36,960
Speaker 1: so I didn't have my full strength and I was

684
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:39,959
Speaker 1: able to grab onto the saddle, but my right foot

685
00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:43,120
Speaker 1: was hung on the stirrup, so I was off hanging on.

686
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:48,439
Speaker 1: It was gonna be a disaster. She is bailing off

687
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:51,960
Speaker 1: some mountain and it was frozen ground boulders. It was

688
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:54,359
Speaker 1: a terrible deal, and I knew it was gonna hurt

689
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:56,399
Speaker 1: if I hit the ground, so I'm trying to hang on.

690
00:43:56,800 --> 00:44:00,440
Speaker 1: And then she stepped This leg was back here, and

691
00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:02,880
Speaker 1: she stepped right on it and it broke it in

692
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:06,320
Speaker 1: seven places. But what it did it flipped it around backwards.

693
00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:09,719
Speaker 1: But when she stepped on it, it jerked this foot

694
00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:13,200
Speaker 1: oil of the strup, and it jerked me free. Well.

695
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:16,600
Speaker 1: I was going so fast that they were watching Dad

696
00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:18,520
Speaker 1: and Rick and Heather's the people who were with us.

697
00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:21,919
Speaker 1: They said, I made like two full flips and then

698
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:24,200
Speaker 1: I hit a boulder with this side of my head,

699
00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:27,799
Speaker 1: and in those flips, I remembered seeing my leg going

700
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:32,120
Speaker 1: by point in the wrong direction. She looked up, she said, Dad,

701
00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:34,840
Speaker 1: my legs broken. And I said, boy, Kelly, it sure is.

702
00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:37,520
Speaker 1: And I mean, what did you say it was? It

703
00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:40,520
Speaker 1: was pointed south and she would head north. Oh, it

704
00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:44,239
Speaker 1: was a bad deal. There was blood spewing out. I

705
00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:47,120
Speaker 1: had put like a three fifty seven bullet hole right

706
00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:50,560
Speaker 1: here and fractured this whole corner of my skull in

707
00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:54,000
Speaker 1: one inch when I hit that rotten but it was

708
00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:59,480
Speaker 1: just pouring blood. But it didn't hurt. This hurt. And

709
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:02,560
Speaker 1: he said, I know, and he grabbed my leg and

710
00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:04,680
Speaker 1: he said it was like a bag of bones. It

711
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:07,720
Speaker 1: was just lost. There was a man and his wife

712
00:45:07,719 --> 00:45:10,440
Speaker 1: with us, the man Ricky. He got to tell him

713
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:12,759
Speaker 1: by the arms and held her there on the hillside,

714
00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:15,560
Speaker 1: just to help her stay and stabilizers as she wouldn't

715
00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:18,560
Speaker 1: slide and roll in further down the mountain. I could see.

716
00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:20,919
Speaker 1: I knew I had to straighten that lege. I mean,

717
00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:23,160
Speaker 1: we're way up there with new We're gonna have to

718
00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:27,080
Speaker 1: have reelactuated somehow. So I went ahead and I told Kelly,

719
00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:29,080
Speaker 1: I'm going to straighten your leg, Kelly, and then we're

720
00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:32,719
Speaker 1: gonna splice it and we'll we'll immobilize it. So I

721
00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:36,800
Speaker 1: just pulled it out and pointed the tod the right direction.

722
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:40,200
Speaker 1: I went ahead and cut four or five of those

723
00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:44,680
Speaker 1: yuck poles to stock that rolls out of the Yucca plant.

724
00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:48,319
Speaker 1: The tournament about eighteen ins. And then I took him

725
00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:50,920
Speaker 1: down there and I had to rule at electricians taping

726
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:54,360
Speaker 1: my saddle bay, and so we we got it. We

727
00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:59,880
Speaker 1: got those We used those stocks for splints and taped

728
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:03,640
Speaker 1: pretty tight with that electrician tape, and then we went

729
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:06,480
Speaker 1: This was eleven o'clock in the morning, and this was

730
00:46:07,120 --> 00:46:10,440
Speaker 1: this was last day at each sever and cold. We

731
00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:13,239
Speaker 1: knew it. There was snow about in the eighth shore

732
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:15,360
Speaker 1: on the north slope. We were on the north slope,

733
00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:18,040
Speaker 1: so it was shaking, The ground was a little frozen.

734
00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:22,880
Speaker 1: Its kind of an uncomfortable place. Then we tried to

735
00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:26,200
Speaker 1: get cell service, no service because we were in a

736
00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:28,799
Speaker 1: basin on a peak, so it was all block. What

737
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:32,960
Speaker 1: was your anxiety level fear level? I hurt really bad

738
00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:35,680
Speaker 1: and I was laying It was twenty seven degrees. I

739
00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:37,839
Speaker 1: was laying there and the man was still holding me.

740
00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:40,680
Speaker 1: I honestly thought they'd get me out of there pretty quick.

741
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:42,839
Speaker 1: I thought, I know, I can't walk out of here.

742
00:46:43,160 --> 00:46:46,719
Speaker 1: I wasn't panicked and I never went into shock, which

743
00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:50,279
Speaker 1: is amazing. The hounds kind of grouped around me. One

744
00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:52,399
Speaker 1: of them, I didn't realize that it was so much

745
00:46:52,719 --> 00:46:56,320
Speaker 1: was licking blood off of me. And Warner and Heather

746
00:46:56,640 --> 00:46:59,080
Speaker 1: took off and hiked up to the top and got

747
00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:02,440
Speaker 1: cell service and then they started coordinating this rescue while

748
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:06,239
Speaker 1: a rescue helicopter came within about an hour and they

749
00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:10,560
Speaker 1: circled us and they left. It was the winds and

750
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:15,360
Speaker 1: it was too dangerous. There's nowhere to land canyon. Yeah.

751
00:47:15,560 --> 00:47:19,640
Speaker 1: So in the meantime, when everybody knows us, just because

752
00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:22,360
Speaker 1: we've been in this country for so long, the sheriff

753
00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:26,360
Speaker 1: and Hidalgo County was talking trying to get some help

754
00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:30,600
Speaker 1: and border patrol in El Paso. A pilot in El

755
00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:34,120
Speaker 1: Paso was sitting in their coffee room or whatever, and

756
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:36,960
Speaker 1: they heard this a woman had been hurt on a

757
00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:40,720
Speaker 1: peak in southwest New Mexico and that nobody could rescue

758
00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:44,080
Speaker 1: her helicopter wise, and he said, I can. And he

759
00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:48,400
Speaker 1: had just got back from Afghanistan, and there was a

760
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:52,479
Speaker 1: guy there that day, a border troll supervisor. There wasn't

761
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:54,799
Speaker 1: a pilot. He said, I'll go with you, and they

762
00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:57,319
Speaker 1: loaded up in one of those little boarder troll helicopters.

763
00:47:57,320 --> 00:48:00,359
Speaker 1: They flew to the mountain. They got there about six

764
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:02,879
Speaker 1: hours after I'd been hurt, because all this took time.

765
00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:06,480
Speaker 1: They landed on a boulder a d seventy five yards

766
00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:09,239
Speaker 1: above us, on a on a saddle, and it was

767
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:13,400
Speaker 1: sundown already, and Warner had ridden off to the valley

768
00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:17,239
Speaker 1: and gotten one of those basket stretchers check in from

769
00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:20,400
Speaker 1: the truck. We were like three or four miles from

770
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:25,040
Speaker 1: the truck, but it was terrible country. Border patrol got

771
00:48:25,080 --> 00:48:29,080
Speaker 1: the coordinates. They started riding in on horses, hiking in.

772
00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:32,239
Speaker 1: There was nine border patrol and showed up there at

773
00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:34,719
Speaker 1: this and one came and they all knew us. And

774
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:37,120
Speaker 1: one guy came right to me and he goes, I'm

775
00:48:37,160 --> 00:48:40,040
Speaker 1: not allowed to administer pain medicines, but I have some

776
00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:42,759
Speaker 1: advil and I so I took two. By then I

777
00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:46,759
Speaker 1: was I was hurting. So you're you're laying there on

778
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:55,400
Speaker 1: the rocks for seven hours with no pain medication? Bush, Yeah,

779
00:48:55,640 --> 00:48:58,319
Speaker 1: But Warner and Rick. About two or three hours into it,

780
00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:02,520
Speaker 1: they dug up, because literally we were like this angle.

781
00:49:03,160 --> 00:49:06,640
Speaker 1: I mean, it was the whole time, you're just holding yourself.

782
00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:10,359
Speaker 1: So they dug out some rocks and stuff and put

783
00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:13,239
Speaker 1: a saddle blanket, and then I could sit. I could

784
00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:17,200
Speaker 1: finally relax and be down and not be slight. And

785
00:49:17,239 --> 00:49:19,759
Speaker 1: that poor man that was holding me had held me

786
00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:23,120
Speaker 1: all that time. So when they did that, then I said,

787
00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:26,520
Speaker 1: I told him, I said, Rick, I'm cold. I said,

788
00:49:26,560 --> 00:49:28,560
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to build a fire. Well, there was

789
00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:32,520
Speaker 1: snow on everything, so Tall burns, it has a fuel

790
00:49:32,520 --> 00:49:35,719
Speaker 1: in it, a dead soul, tall plant, saccosta. These are

791
00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:37,759
Speaker 1: things that we have out here. So he left so

792
00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:40,759
Speaker 1: talls and and he he'd light one right there by

793
00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:43,200
Speaker 1: my feet, and so he got my feet warmed up.

794
00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:47,440
Speaker 1: But the border ptoleman Dad rode up. And there's a picture,

795
00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:51,920
Speaker 1: an epic picture that Rick took. It's a Life magazine

796
00:49:51,960 --> 00:49:54,400
Speaker 1: kind of picture. It's Warner on a mule with that

797
00:49:54,440 --> 00:49:57,719
Speaker 1: stretcher in front of him, riding up the bluffs behind him,

798
00:49:57,960 --> 00:50:00,200
Speaker 1: and those border patrol kind of lined up way for

799
00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:02,680
Speaker 1: him to get there, and they took the stretcher and

800
00:50:02,719 --> 00:50:05,920
Speaker 1: they lifted me. They were awesome, and they put me

801
00:50:05,960 --> 00:50:08,640
Speaker 1: in that basket stretcher and then those guys by now

802
00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:11,279
Speaker 1: it was dark, and they carried me all the way

803
00:50:11,360 --> 00:50:14,480
Speaker 1: up there. Never one of them slipped or fell. I mean,

804
00:50:14,520 --> 00:50:17,000
Speaker 1: they just they were a team and they got me

805
00:50:17,120 --> 00:50:20,600
Speaker 1: up there. The coal pilot he said, okay, ma'am. He said,

806
00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:23,160
Speaker 1: you're not going to fit in our helicopter. So he said,

807
00:50:23,160 --> 00:50:25,960
Speaker 1: we're gonna stick you through sideways, and he said we're

808
00:50:25,960 --> 00:50:28,719
Speaker 1: gonna put your head against the door and and then

809
00:50:28,760 --> 00:50:30,719
Speaker 1: your legs are going to be sticking out in that

810
00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:33,960
Speaker 1: for about two and a half feet outside. And so

811
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:37,080
Speaker 1: they tied me in with cargo straps and he held

812
00:50:37,120 --> 00:50:41,640
Speaker 1: onto me and off we went. We had eleven people

813
00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:44,799
Speaker 1: up on the mountain. Pratt peeked to get off there,

814
00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:47,640
Speaker 1: and we got everybody up there. We were back to

815
00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:51,600
Speaker 1: our truck and trailers, probably at eleven o'clock. We got

816
00:50:51,640 --> 00:50:59,279
Speaker 1: back here at one next morning. Lonely, Okay, bad. It

817
00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:03,560
Speaker 1: could have been much worse. Yeah, And Kelly, Kelly, she

818
00:51:03,719 --> 00:51:08,160
Speaker 1: made it fine. Yeah, there's one of the times that

819
00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:14,000
Speaker 1: Kelly heard who We're going more wild stories, you say,

820
00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:18,319
Speaker 1: Mr Warner. That sounds interesting. I got bit by a lion.

821
00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:23,200
Speaker 1: Did Dad tell you that? Okay? So, so last so

822
00:51:23,320 --> 00:51:27,880
Speaker 1: March eighth of nineteen, we're hunting at in New Mexico.

823
00:51:28,320 --> 00:51:30,920
Speaker 1: We tree this calf killing lion in a stand of

824
00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:34,600
Speaker 1: pine trees and the guy with us shoots him twice

825
00:51:34,719 --> 00:51:38,319
Speaker 1: in the chest. Everything's good and he falls out. Then

826
00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:40,960
Speaker 1: the dogs pulled him downhill and they wrapped his body

827
00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:43,200
Speaker 1: around a tree and it was kind of steep, and

828
00:51:43,239 --> 00:51:45,720
Speaker 1: then he went limp. And you know how dogs wool

829
00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:49,120
Speaker 1: lying around that, they're all wanting to chew on it. Dad,

830
00:51:49,200 --> 00:51:52,640
Speaker 1: it's a reward. So Dad and I said, he's dead. Yeah,

831
00:51:52,680 --> 00:51:56,360
Speaker 1: he's dead. He's dead. But I am a miss practicality.

832
00:51:56,440 --> 00:51:58,479
Speaker 1: I didn't want him to drag him down the hill,

833
00:51:58,840 --> 00:52:00,720
Speaker 1: so we'd have to pull him back kept the skinning.

834
00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:02,600
Speaker 1: So I put my foot on the back of his

835
00:52:02,640 --> 00:52:05,640
Speaker 1: shoulders to hold him against a tree. And no kidding,

836
00:52:05,880 --> 00:52:09,800
Speaker 1: he stands up, turns around and I remember thinking, oh, man,

837
00:52:10,600 --> 00:52:13,040
Speaker 1: his eyes are yellow. He's looked at and then he

838
00:52:13,160 --> 00:52:16,440
Speaker 1: just reaches out grabsh me by this like, jerks me

839
00:52:16,520 --> 00:52:19,560
Speaker 1: down and bites me right through the calf slipped off

840
00:52:19,600 --> 00:52:22,960
Speaker 1: the bone, did not break the bone right through the meat. Well, Warner,

841
00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:29,480
Speaker 1: Mr fearless Warner is wailing on him with his spiths

842
00:52:30,280 --> 00:52:32,680
Speaker 1: to getting to turn loose to me, and the dogs

843
00:52:32,680 --> 00:52:37,160
Speaker 1: are garbalistic because I yelled when I hit the ground

844
00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:41,080
Speaker 1: and he bit me and he lets go. Then he

845
00:52:41,160 --> 00:52:43,600
Speaker 1: takes off and runs off, and the dogs went and

846
00:52:43,680 --> 00:52:47,359
Speaker 1: Warner went, and Warner shot him point blank with his pistol. Well,

847
00:52:47,360 --> 00:52:49,440
Speaker 1: the poor guy with us had never been in on

848
00:52:49,520 --> 00:52:52,200
Speaker 1: a lion or any of that. First he says, did

849
00:52:52,239 --> 00:52:55,279
Speaker 1: you see him by you? And I'm like, yeah, I did,

850
00:52:55,920 --> 00:52:59,160
Speaker 1: and I'm thinking, oh, man, I'm thinking he broke my leg.

851
00:52:59,600 --> 00:53:02,239
Speaker 1: It hurt. I said, go help Warner. So I took

852
00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:04,640
Speaker 1: off my shoe and rolled up my long underwear and

853
00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:08,680
Speaker 1: blood was everywhere, and I had fourteen puncture wounds, the

854
00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:12,160
Speaker 1: canines and the clause. So I put my foot against

855
00:53:12,160 --> 00:53:16,839
Speaker 1: a tree and gently pushed. And my experiment was if

856
00:53:16,880 --> 00:53:20,759
Speaker 1: it moves, it's broken, and if it doesn't. So by

857
00:53:20,760 --> 00:53:22,719
Speaker 1: the time they got up there, it hadn't moved, and

858
00:53:22,760 --> 00:53:30,880
Speaker 1: I said, Dad, it's just superficial, just superficial. Well, ironically,

859
00:53:31,160 --> 00:53:34,239
Speaker 1: we bandaged it up and stopped the bleeding and went

860
00:53:34,280 --> 00:53:37,360
Speaker 1: down and skinned the lion and rode out an hour

861
00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:40,440
Speaker 1: minutes to the truck. And so they gave me a

862
00:53:40,520 --> 00:53:44,360
Speaker 1: raby shot in each puncture. They don't sew up puncture wounds.

863
00:53:44,640 --> 00:53:47,439
Speaker 1: You know. It took seventy five days for those to heal.

864
00:53:47,640 --> 00:53:50,080
Speaker 1: But I drove back over there the next day. We

865
00:53:50,120 --> 00:53:53,120
Speaker 1: caught two more lions. In the next three days I hunted.

866
00:53:53,200 --> 00:53:56,200
Speaker 1: There was no pain, and we caught two more lions.

867
00:53:56,440 --> 00:54:03,359
Speaker 1: On that hunt. There were calf killers. On part one

868
00:54:03,400 --> 00:54:07,080
Speaker 1: of this podcast series, we've just barely introduced the Glens,

869
00:54:07,080 --> 00:54:10,759
Speaker 1: and they've given us insight into their lifestyle, history and

870
00:54:10,840 --> 00:54:15,320
Speaker 1: some iconic family stories. Next episode will dive in deeper

871
00:54:15,360 --> 00:54:18,359
Speaker 1: into the craft of dry ground lion hunting and will

872
00:54:18,440 --> 00:54:21,799
Speaker 1: learn that Warner was the first person to document a

873
00:54:21,840 --> 00:54:25,239
Speaker 1: live jaguar in the United States. He wrote a short

874
00:54:25,280 --> 00:54:28,520
Speaker 1: book about it called Eyes of Fire. We're gonna hear

875
00:54:28,560 --> 00:54:32,840
Speaker 1: the whole story directly from him. I truly cherished the

876
00:54:32,880 --> 00:54:36,760
Speaker 1: opportunity to highlight families like the Glens. In my opinion,

877
00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:40,120
Speaker 1: Mr Warner is the embodiment of a living legend, and

878
00:54:40,160 --> 00:54:43,839
Speaker 1: we haven't even heard half the story. Later we'll learn

879
00:54:43,920 --> 00:54:47,160
Speaker 1: how he and his wife Wendy, who has since passed away,

880
00:54:47,320 --> 00:54:51,879
Speaker 1: helped start an influential conservation group called the Maupi Borderlands Group.

881
00:54:52,360 --> 00:54:55,239
Speaker 1: You also haven't heard about the fist fight in his

882
00:54:55,360 --> 00:54:59,759
Speaker 1: younger years that catalyzed a life altering change in Mr

883
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:04,040
Speaker 1: Warner about how to deal with confrontation. Later in his life,

884
00:55:04,120 --> 00:55:06,720
Speaker 1: he'd be known as a diplomat for the open country

885
00:55:06,719 --> 00:55:10,880
Speaker 1: of southeast Arizona. Here's what Kelly had to say in

886
00:55:11,040 --> 00:55:16,520
Speaker 1: closing about her father. We have a unique lifestyle. We

887
00:55:16,600 --> 00:55:20,640
Speaker 1: have a unique family because we were raised to respect

888
00:55:20,680 --> 00:55:24,799
Speaker 1: each other, to be cohesive, to collaborate, whether it was

889
00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:28,000
Speaker 1: to collaborate with our family to get it done or

890
00:55:28,239 --> 00:55:32,919
Speaker 1: to collaborate. So the with changing of time and conservation

891
00:55:33,040 --> 00:55:36,320
Speaker 1: becoming such a big deal, you know, we are so blessed.

892
00:55:36,480 --> 00:55:40,240
Speaker 1: Mackenzie is sixth generation. She will carry on the ranches

893
00:55:40,560 --> 00:55:43,520
Speaker 1: she wants to. We've given her every choice, not to

894
00:55:44,120 --> 00:55:47,040
Speaker 1: what she's doing right now in her side business. We

895
00:55:47,120 --> 00:55:49,880
Speaker 1: want her to be able to develop something that she

896
00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:54,759
Speaker 1: can call her own, because until Warner's gone, and then

897
00:55:54,800 --> 00:55:59,120
Speaker 1: I'm gone, she will be under the umbrella. You know,

898
00:55:59,360 --> 00:56:05,640
Speaker 1: she won't be the leader. However, Warner has gracefully let

899
00:56:06,160 --> 00:56:10,759
Speaker 1: Mackenzie and I take on more and more and we

900
00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:14,799
Speaker 1: do it respectfully. I know the answer, but I ask

901
00:56:14,920 --> 00:56:19,640
Speaker 1: Warner one thing I think is left out in a

902
00:56:19,640 --> 00:56:24,120
Speaker 1: lot of families as they transition through the generations. A

903
00:56:24,160 --> 00:56:28,120
Speaker 1: lot of times the elderly generation doesn't really give the

904
00:56:28,160 --> 00:56:32,120
Speaker 1: next generation a lot of respect because they're still stuck

905
00:56:32,200 --> 00:56:35,840
Speaker 1: in that in that mindset, and they are still in power.

906
00:56:36,680 --> 00:56:39,759
Speaker 1: And Dad's pretty good at that. He's pretty there's now

907
00:56:39,800 --> 00:56:43,479
Speaker 1: and then he'll he'll say he'll say something real quick

908
00:56:43,480 --> 00:56:47,480
Speaker 1: and forceful, and then he'll backtrack immediately and say, tell

909
00:56:47,480 --> 00:56:49,480
Speaker 1: me the rest of the story, because I know the

910
00:56:49,520 --> 00:56:51,239
Speaker 1: rest of the story. It's like whether it was to

911
00:56:51,280 --> 00:56:53,920
Speaker 1: do with the border or whatever was happening. I'm the

912
00:56:53,960 --> 00:56:57,200
Speaker 1: one that's getting the emails, the phone calls. Dad has

913
00:56:57,280 --> 00:57:01,720
Speaker 1: a great life. He's he knows and exercises his dogs,

914
00:57:02,200 --> 00:57:06,480
Speaker 1: he does his ranch work. We kind of run interference

915
00:57:07,120 --> 00:57:10,440
Speaker 1: with with the way life is nowadays. As you know,

916
00:57:10,520 --> 00:57:14,240
Speaker 1: there's so many issues. But I would just say something

917
00:57:14,280 --> 00:57:18,800
Speaker 1: that's forgotten in a lot of families and is maintain

918
00:57:18,840 --> 00:57:22,280
Speaker 1: your traditions and your the history of your family, and

919
00:57:22,320 --> 00:57:27,880
Speaker 1: the ethics and respect and morals of your family, your community,

920
00:57:28,080 --> 00:57:32,680
Speaker 1: your environment, your landscape. Because we're only here for a

921
00:57:32,720 --> 00:57:36,720
Speaker 1: short time, but we need to when we leave, we

922
00:57:36,800 --> 00:57:39,520
Speaker 1: need to be remembered as Warner will be as a legend.

923
00:57:40,080 --> 00:57:43,840
Speaker 1: It's been a great life. I've been so blessed to

924
00:57:44,080 --> 00:57:49,160
Speaker 1: have such a mentor. And sometimes it's been really tough

925
00:57:49,320 --> 00:57:53,040
Speaker 1: because I'm a woman in a man's world. Luckily, my

926
00:57:53,120 --> 00:57:57,000
Speaker 1: dad has respected women and there and and the fact

927
00:57:57,080 --> 00:57:59,800
Speaker 1: that they can work equally hard. Like I said, O

928
00:58:00,040 --> 00:58:05,120
Speaker 1: here be your personal best, do your best. And that's

929
00:58:05,120 --> 00:58:08,520
Speaker 1: what Warner. That's all he asked of people, whether it's

930
00:58:08,560 --> 00:58:12,880
Speaker 1: clients or family or that's incredible. We did, ah, We

931
00:58:13,000 --> 00:58:18,360
Speaker 1: just did an extensive podcast series on Daniel Boone. What's

932
00:58:18,400 --> 00:58:21,240
Speaker 1: wild about the end of Daniel Boone's life. Boone lived

933
00:58:21,240 --> 00:58:23,720
Speaker 1: to be eighties six years old. They said, when he

934
00:58:23,960 --> 00:58:27,640
Speaker 1: was an old man, he hardly recognized the life that

935
00:58:27,720 --> 00:58:30,880
Speaker 1: he had lived. And he was quiet and he was humble,

936
00:58:31,200 --> 00:58:32,600
Speaker 1: and you would have thought he would have been this

937
00:58:32,720 --> 00:58:36,480
Speaker 1: like proud, boastful guy for all the incredible stuff he

938
00:58:36,480 --> 00:58:38,480
Speaker 1: did in his life. And there was a woman, a

939
00:58:38,520 --> 00:58:42,320
Speaker 1: family member that said, the old woodsman that had spent

940
00:58:42,400 --> 00:58:46,160
Speaker 1: their life in solitude, when they were old, they were humble,

941
00:58:46,480 --> 00:58:49,360
Speaker 1: they were meek. I see that almost in your dad.

942
00:58:50,240 --> 00:58:53,680
Speaker 1: There's a humility that is unique that you would have

943
00:58:53,720 --> 00:58:57,320
Speaker 1: You would you would think that life would have built

944
00:58:57,360 --> 00:59:00,400
Speaker 1: them up inside of their accomplishments. But but but it

945
00:59:00,440 --> 00:59:04,520
Speaker 1: actually has made him more humble, exactly exactly. And he'll

946
00:59:04,520 --> 00:59:08,080
Speaker 1: tell so young houndsman will ask Warner. You know, he would.

947
00:59:08,120 --> 00:59:10,200
Speaker 1: We all we've always said he always kept up with

948
00:59:10,240 --> 00:59:13,240
Speaker 1: his dogs a foot, which he did. One day, this

949
00:59:13,280 --> 00:59:15,720
Speaker 1: young man asked him, He said, how do you do that?

950
00:59:16,040 --> 00:59:22,960
Speaker 1: And Dad said, well, I just got slower dogs. But yeah, yeah, humble.

951
00:59:23,080 --> 00:59:26,240
Speaker 1: And just like the example of that lead dog way

952
00:59:26,320 --> 00:59:30,560
Speaker 1: up there, quietly going on, the old dog. We have

953
00:59:30,640 --> 00:59:34,280
Speaker 1: an old dog named Hook. And when you see Hook

954
00:59:34,320 --> 00:59:41,240
Speaker 1: two yards out there quietly going on, that's, you know,

955
00:59:41,360 --> 00:59:55,360
Speaker 1: that's an example of what Warner is. I had never

956
00:59:55,440 --> 00:59:58,400
Speaker 1: met nor spoken with Warner Glenn before I showed up

957
00:59:58,400 --> 01:00:00,880
Speaker 1: in his barn lot. I knew he was a man

958
01:00:00,920 --> 01:00:03,800
Speaker 1: of character and a man of the land. But what

959
01:00:04,000 --> 01:00:08,240
Speaker 1: impacted me the most was something I wasn't expecting. It's

960
01:00:08,240 --> 01:00:11,680
Speaker 1: a trait that the gunslinging John Wayne images of the

961
01:00:11,720 --> 01:00:17,720
Speaker 1: Western cowboy typically don't embody, which is an authentic humility.

962
01:00:18,080 --> 01:00:21,160
Speaker 1: Manhood is an interesting journey because we want to be

963
01:00:21,200 --> 01:00:25,480
Speaker 1: bold and confident, which are both honorable traits, but we

964
01:00:25,560 --> 01:00:28,160
Speaker 1: might be fooled into thinking that is supposed to be

965
01:00:28,240 --> 01:00:33,520
Speaker 1: the dominant, most important feature of who we are as men. However,

966
01:00:33,600 --> 01:00:36,880
Speaker 1: what Mr Warner showed me in the very short time

967
01:00:37,040 --> 01:00:40,560
Speaker 1: I was with him that confidence and boldness flow out

968
01:00:40,640 --> 01:00:45,280
Speaker 1: of humility and servant hood of those who you're around.

969
01:00:46,040 --> 01:00:48,880
Speaker 1: What you wouldn't have seen when the recording devices weren't

970
01:00:48,880 --> 01:00:52,120
Speaker 1: on was Warner Glenn putting away our dishes from the table,

971
01:00:52,320 --> 01:00:55,920
Speaker 1: serving us food, taking genuine interest in our lives, and

972
01:00:56,000 --> 01:00:58,920
Speaker 1: doing things for us he didn't have to do. One

973
01:00:58,960 --> 01:01:01,160
Speaker 1: could argue that any one could put on their best

974
01:01:01,200 --> 01:01:04,360
Speaker 1: behavior for a guest, but I can tell you there

975
01:01:04,400 --> 01:01:10,000
Speaker 1: aren't two Mr Warners. There's only one, and that is

976
01:01:10,000 --> 01:01:14,680
Speaker 1: the definition of authentic and that's what I want to

977
01:01:14,800 --> 01:01:21,320
Speaker 1: be when I grow up again. I can't thank you

978
01:01:21,480 --> 01:01:24,959
Speaker 1: enough for listening to Bear Greece. Don't miss part two

979
01:01:24,960 --> 01:01:28,120
Speaker 1: of this series on Mr Warner and Kelly. I have

980
01:01:28,160 --> 01:01:31,160
Speaker 1: a feeling it's gonna be better than the first. Please

981
01:01:31,240 --> 01:01:34,800
Speaker 1: do me a favor and share our podcast with the Buddy.

982
01:01:35,040 --> 01:01:40,400
Speaker 1: This week good hunting and keep the Open Country Open.