Speaker 1: Hi.
Speaker 2: I'm Kristin Davis, and I want to know are you
Speaker 2: a Charlotte? Hi? Hi, everybody, welcome back to Are You
Speaker 2: a Charlotte. Today we're going to talk about episode one
Speaker 2: oh four. It's in season one and it's called Valley
Speaker 2: of the twenty something Guys. And I love this episode
Speaker 2: so much. And I have a fantastic guest with me today.
Speaker 2: His name is blakely Thornton. He's a super fan and
Speaker 2: I love to follow him on Instagram. He's very funny
Speaker 2: and TikTok and he is his how he's known is
Speaker 2: your internet's mean best friend, which I find hysterical because
Speaker 2: I don't really perceive you as mean.
Speaker 3: I don't either, Like honestly, that was a headline that
Speaker 3: Hunger magazine gave me when I was like, oh wow,
Speaker 3: this is my first and friends of like speaking as
Speaker 3: yourself in like, oh that's what That's what you got
Speaker 3: from that?
Speaker 2: That's super interesting, okay, because I personally would not just
Speaker 2: describe you as that way though. What I do love
Speaker 2: so much about you anythings, First of all, super smart,
Speaker 2: extremely insightful, very funny, but also you just say it
Speaker 2: like how you see it, and there's not a lot
Speaker 2: of kind of layers or nonsense. You're not trying to
Speaker 2: please anybody, and that's very refreshing and wonderful.
Speaker 3: Brands. I call it. See something, say something, I'm like, what, oh,
Speaker 3: all right.
Speaker 1: I love it. I love it.
Speaker 2: That's what we need at this time, I think in
Speaker 2: internet land because like, to me, you're not mean, You're
Speaker 2: just honest.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm like, I think there's no value. I always say, like,
Speaker 3: there's no value in not calling the thing the thing,
Speaker 3: because I'm like, what are we getting out of it?
Speaker 3: That's how we got here, we were all it's okay,
Speaker 3: let's use you phemisms like well now.
Speaker 1: Right right right.
Speaker 2: But also I feel like that created this land where
Speaker 2: like people could be mean and because they were saying
Speaker 2: things kind of like honestly people are like amazing when
Speaker 2: in fact, no, not really, they're really mean, you know.
Speaker 2: But also I think just the joy of people speaking freely,
Speaker 2: people respond to that.
Speaker 3: M hm.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: I think you're trying to I try to like infuse
Speaker 3: some joy into it, like alowd you do? Yes? Funny
Speaker 3: you do you do?
Speaker 2: My thirteen year old love zoo, oh thank you. I
Speaker 2: know she doesn't have Instagram so I have to show her.
Speaker 2: So I pick and choose based on the subject matter,
Speaker 2: you know, And she was like out of everyone I've had,
Speaker 2: she was like, it was so cute, it was so
Speaker 2: so cute. So anyway, she wish she was here. She
Speaker 2: wanted to skip school. But when I told her you're
Speaker 2: on zoom, she was like, oh, okay, but she will
Speaker 2: be listening.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So hi, Gemma, you're listening.
Speaker 3: Hello, Hello, Gemma. A pleasure, A pleasure to meet you
Speaker 3: through the internet.
Speaker 1: There you go, one day, one day in person, one
Speaker 1: day person.
Speaker 2: All right, this is so exciting because I am really
Speaker 2: really curious what you're going to be saying, and I
Speaker 2: really don't know.
Speaker 1: So let me just say that to everybody.
Speaker 2: It's not like we we have had no contact other
Speaker 2: than me following him basically, and we do no I think,
Speaker 2: you know Molly right, you know our costume designer or dance.
Speaker 3: We visited the whole archive in Queens like for me
Speaker 3: is a young little like Elgibillennial gay boy. I was like,
Speaker 3: I have I remember these moments because I'm much more
Speaker 3: familiar with the series than I should be, Like, I
Speaker 3: remember the first episode I saw was I think, like
Speaker 3: season one, the last like, well, you guys are the
Speaker 3: Hamptons and like Carrie finds out bigxating someone else, she's
Speaker 3: on the cowboy hat on the Oh. Yeah, I was
Speaker 3: a good one in seventh grade. But for some reason,
Speaker 3: like me and all my straight football friends, like it
Speaker 3: was so I didn't know Sex and the City was
Speaker 3: even like a gay thing, but like we watch it
Speaker 3: together everything. I watched the series finale, we all were
Speaker 3: like shut up, turned off basketball and watched the Carry
Speaker 3: in Paris part two episode and always men are married
Speaker 3: with children. I don't know how I feel like young
Speaker 3: boys like don't have that learn misogyny yet, but like
Speaker 3: Sex and the City, Sex and the City and the
Speaker 3: OC and I went to like an all boys prep school,
Speaker 3: was like wow, that was the show?
Speaker 1: No way, okay.
Speaker 2: This year like breaking new ground in terms of my
Speaker 2: perception of who was watching the show, because I had
Speaker 2: no idea that was happening either.
Speaker 3: Well, I don't think it should have been like if
Speaker 3: our parents are kind of handling it like we were twelve,
Speaker 3: like what is that tasting spunk? And it's like a
Speaker 3: bunch of like teenage boys.
Speaker 2: Valid question, really valid question, But I don't think that's
Speaker 2: a bad thing. No, right, like that might have been educational.
Speaker 3: I think it was very I think honestly, all the
Speaker 3: guys that watched it like were better with their girlfriends
Speaker 3: because they kind of had a more advanced I love that.
Speaker 3: And what the female experience was, Oh my god, okay,
Speaker 3: I like, oh, they kind of had the inside tracks.
Speaker 1: That's amazing. That's amazing and wonderful.
Speaker 2: I mean whenever men, like there was a time when
Speaker 2: it was predominantly women would talk to us like.
Speaker 1: Oh, we love it. Then sometimes men would.
Speaker 2: Be like, oh, you know, my girlfriend, you know, makes
Speaker 2: me watch it, and we.
Speaker 1: Were like that's okay, cool.
Speaker 2: However, you know, and we were always like secretly like
Speaker 2: that's great. You know, thank god the girlfriend's making me
Speaker 2: watch it, because that's gonna help, you know, that's going
Speaker 2: to help the meeting of you know, the the the
Speaker 2: sexes over the divide, the great Divide.
Speaker 1: So I'm excited to hear.
Speaker 2: But you were in seventh grade, so that that is
Speaker 2: really interesting.
Speaker 3: Okay, yes, I should I should thought it been again,
Speaker 3: it was my my I think the series finale aired
Speaker 3: like the fall of my like this fall of my
Speaker 3: senior year in high school. I think it was like Wow,
Speaker 3: November two thousand and three, so like I remember that.
Speaker 3: I rely wow cough Carrie. Yeah startek phone.
Speaker 1: I remember that too. What did you think of Orishna cough?
Speaker 2: And then well we're gonna go backwards in time, But
Speaker 2: just curious because I've been hearing some interesting takes on Bristia.
Speaker 3: Always interesting to see how you felt originally when you
Speaker 3: see it and then going in rewatching it. I think
Speaker 3: through both and just like that and then rewatching the
Speaker 3: original show on Netflix. Everybody's kind of like contextualized differently, Yeah,
Speaker 3: Barishna cough. Like I feel like I've dated men like
Speaker 3: him that are like thoroughly I've dated a Parisian man
Speaker 3: who had, you know, a lot of things and was
Speaker 3: significantly older because I'm thirty nine, So I guess what
Speaker 3: about Carrie's agency to the show? Right, I don't know.
Speaker 3: I feel like he's interesting. He was never the end game.
Speaker 3: I don't love how I feel like he was almost
Speaker 3: like I'm looking for the word, not a gas lighter,
Speaker 3: but almost like very much like a love bomber, and
Speaker 3: then like abandoned.
Speaker 2: Well, like to me, he's just super aloof like like
Speaker 2: he makes mister Biggs seem like he's not a loof,
Speaker 2: which is interesting comparison.
Speaker 3: Mister Biggs like he's amazing. But then you go early,
Speaker 3: mister Big, I'm like, this man is a he was
Speaker 3: a boy before there was a word for it.
Speaker 2: I mean, is he Okay, so can you please please
Speaker 2: define boy for me? Okay, because I'm confused.
Speaker 3: I think a boy is just like a man who
Speaker 3: has a little bit of Peter Pan syndrome, has money,
Speaker 3: but also kind of like he is consistent in his inconsistency.
Speaker 3: And I find that is very big for Carrie. In
Speaker 3: the first few seasons, he's like, let's go like even
Speaker 3: this episode, let's go to drinks, drink thing, let's go
Speaker 3: to this. That right for me, like just a man
Speaker 3: that gives you red flags, but right after the red
Speaker 3: flag is like an immediate excuse to keep you confused.
Speaker 2: Okay, then I've totally totally get it. See I was
Speaker 2: confused by the boy part. I thought this boy part
Speaker 2: meant like like an unemployed you know, like boy, like
Speaker 2: a pool boy.
Speaker 1: I don't know what I thought in my brain.
Speaker 3: A man who's in it to like keep you emotionally tethered.
Speaker 1: Oh, Okay, well I know all aboustioning.
Speaker 3: Like this show, you can go back to the episode,
Speaker 3: but like even like the phones in episode in this episode, yeah,
Speaker 3: I feel like I grew up on This is the
Speaker 3: New York. I was promised and then didn't get because I.
Speaker 1: Know, I'm really sorry. I feel that way for so
Speaker 1: many people. But when they're.
Speaker 2: Actually in the bar and there are multiple people on
Speaker 2: a landline on an old fashioned phone, what is happening?
Speaker 3: I wanted to be I want to go back to that,
Speaker 3: like like I want to go to there, like I
Speaker 3: got the end of it. Like I don't even remember
Speaker 3: Indy Sleeve's like twenty ten. It was right before everybody
Speaker 3: had a phone on the camera on their phone.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was still kind of like a little bit
Speaker 1: very different times.
Speaker 3: This is a club called dark Room, where like the
Speaker 3: bouncer was a drug dealer and you'd see like the
Speaker 3: whole cast of Gossip Girl and like you can't do
Speaker 3: like I had like a fight with Sebastian standover or
Speaker 3: a slice of pizza, like you can't have anymore.
Speaker 1: No, it's so sad.
Speaker 3: There's just there's surveillance everybody.
Speaker 1: No, you can't do nothing. I know, it's terrible.
Speaker 2: But when you see the bars, because I've been sober
Speaker 2: a long time, right, so I wasn't really going out
Speaker 2: except when we would film at these places. And I'm
Speaker 2: not quite sure, especially in this particular episode value of
Speaker 2: the twenty sething guys, I don't know where they are,
Speaker 2: Like do those look like real bars to you?
Speaker 3: I feel like New York bars. There's a there's a
Speaker 3: consistency where there's always kind of like a hook, whether
Speaker 3: it's like you know, I feel like Samantha through the
Speaker 3: PR lens, Like I remember when you guys like there's bed,
Speaker 3: there's yes, sushi, there's you know, yeah, yeah, there's all
Speaker 3: those things. And I feel like for me, like that
Speaker 3: bar could come back now because I feel like there's
Speaker 3: a certain like movement from especially from like gen Z
Speaker 3: in people minds that are just tired of it. Like
Speaker 3: I would go to a bar where like you had
Speaker 3: to check your phone at the door and if you
Speaker 3: needed something there were literal like rotary.
Speaker 2: Phones, which would be amazing. I would go, we should
Speaker 2: open that you see.
Speaker 3: The hottest club and like trybeca for like a year.
Speaker 1: You know, it would be fantastic. I agree, it would
Speaker 1: be fantastic.
Speaker 2: I mean my feeling now And I don't know if
Speaker 2: this is shaped by where we film for and just
Speaker 2: like that, because when we came back to do and
Speaker 2: just like that, it was post COVID, like just barely
Speaker 2: post COVID, right, so anywhere wanted us Like it was
Speaker 2: shocking to us because it used to be that we'd
Speaker 2: have to kind of beg and plead and go through
Speaker 2: all these you know, hoops and pay huge amounts of
Speaker 2: money to get places because they were like, we don't
Speaker 2: know who you guys are in the beginning, right, But
Speaker 2: now the restaurants in the bars.
Speaker 1: Were like please please come, you know.
Speaker 2: So we're filming it Daniel, Like we never could have
Speaker 2: gotten into Daniel, you know, it's crazy.
Speaker 1: So we're filming it.
Speaker 2: Extremely posh, extremely beautiful places not where we used to
Speaker 2: film you know.
Speaker 3: Well now also with the full circleness of like again
Speaker 3: like of Sex and the city of the movies. Even
Speaker 3: just like that, I feel like people who run these
Speaker 3: places have to be firmly aware of the cachet they
Speaker 3: get by you going there. So it's like, yeah, thank god,
Speaker 3: three sixty experience or one eighty for you guys at
Speaker 3: being like from like nineteen ninety eight to like twenty
Speaker 3: twenty four being like, oh, please come film at our hotel,
Speaker 3: use the penthouse, do whatever you want, like set on fire.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really nice. It's really nice. It's a nice difference.
Speaker 2: But sometimes I wonder, like, are we just elevated now
Speaker 2: to a point of almost like unobtainable? Whereas when you
Speaker 2: see the bars, especially that one, you know, the one
Speaker 2: where she she goes to see Big to have the
Speaker 2: thing that drinks.
Speaker 3: You forty eight blocks and formant that I have a
Speaker 3: problem with that. Okay, someone who's worn low nobody's walking.
Speaker 1: She totally does.
Speaker 2: And there is a theme okay, because you remember after
Speaker 2: Big Dies she walks like eighty blocks.
Speaker 1: She would totally do this, Sir, Jessica can totally do this.
Speaker 1: It's insane.
Speaker 3: Forty eight blocks in Manolo's. I can't walk forty eight
Speaker 3: blocks and driving loafers, I know.
Speaker 2: I mean, I will say this, our feet have suffered.
Speaker 2: Our feet, all of us collectively are you know, pretty
Speaker 2: much a mess. Like we could go to any podietrist
Speaker 2: at any time and they'd be like, oh my god,
Speaker 2: you know, but at the time, like Sarah can run
Speaker 2: on the cobblestones. I mean she is like like an athlete.
Speaker 2: Okay in the heels.
Speaker 3: That line threw me. I was like forty eight blocks.
Speaker 3: I know I would have gotten in the cab, run out,
Speaker 3: not paid, and had the twenty year old man, I
Speaker 3: know my cabs with the.
Speaker 1: Cash to because she's like, I left my cash. It's
Speaker 1: such a different world.
Speaker 3: She's like, I left my when don't you left your cab?
Speaker 1: Yeah, she got the cash.
Speaker 2: Get No, there was no uber, there was no you
Speaker 2: didn't even pay cabs with credit card. I still when
Speaker 2: I get in a cab, I'm like, do I have cash?
Speaker 1: And then like no, wait a minute.
Speaker 3: It's five.
Speaker 1: Oh my god.
Speaker 3: World really weird, weird. Some establishments don't take it. I'm like,
Speaker 3: you don't take American money? Is this legal?
Speaker 1: I know, I know.
Speaker 2: It's very discombobulating.
Speaker 3: Rid of cash. Now, I'm like, when I have cash,
Speaker 3: I'm like, I need to find a place that takes it,
Speaker 3: because many a thing doesn't. I know it.
Speaker 1: It's troubling.
Speaker 2: So wait, let's go back to the episode because it's
Speaker 2: kind of fun because it is like a time machine, right,
Speaker 2: this particular one. The first season in general, and especially
Speaker 2: this particular one. So tell me when did you personally
Speaker 2: come to New York City.
Speaker 3: I personally came to New York City in the fall
Speaker 3: of two thousand and nine, so.
Speaker 1: Okay, so way later, way later.
Speaker 3: When this episode originally aired, I was twelve years old.
Speaker 1: So wow, wow, wow wow, because for me.
Speaker 3: Timothy Oliphant is justified. And I'm like, right, oh, and
Speaker 3: he isn't he amazing? He's the young and in this
Speaker 3: would you have die?
Speaker 1: Isn't he's like incredible?
Speaker 3: Yeah? He would have been twenty seven twenty eight when
Speaker 3: this episode was filmed. I'm like, wait, Timothy afit was
Speaker 3: in his twenties thirty, Like, he's aged very well, so
Speaker 3: good job too.
Speaker 2: I mean, right with that hair now, my god, but listen,
Speaker 2: I really was like at the time, I was.
Speaker 1: Like that guy, Oh god, that guy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, way, yeah.
Speaker 2: He was already married, ye know, he was, yes, yes,
Speaker 2: yes for him adorably. I think he already had a
Speaker 2: bunch of kids even, And I was like, wow, you're
Speaker 2: so fascinating and obviously so incredibly talented, and you remember
Speaker 2: when Like I mean, if I were her, I would
Speaker 2: totally pick him and I would just work on the apartment.
Speaker 1: I would just be like, let me do the apartment.
Speaker 3: That was interesting to me because again, I feel like
Speaker 3: I'm around. It's interesting again watching now at the age
Speaker 3: that you guys kind of were when this series. For me. Yeah,
Speaker 3: so for me, like I've had that recent experience where
Speaker 3: I've like gone on a date with like a twenty
Speaker 3: five twenty six year old and like waking up in
Speaker 3: his apartment the next day and he had like I'm
Speaker 3: talking like mattress on the floor. I was like wait, wait, wait,
Speaker 3: I thought you said a low slung bed, and like
Speaker 3: in the light of day, you're like whoa. I'm like,
Speaker 3: is this bed in the living Do you have a roommate?
Speaker 2: Sir?
Speaker 3: I was like, oh no, no.
Speaker 1: No, but what happened? Were you like, no, I'm out
Speaker 1: of here.
Speaker 3: Oh. I was like. We woke up and I was like,
Speaker 3: let me order breakfast because I was hungry and now
Speaker 3: we have like uber eats, so I was like, okay,
Speaker 3: let me and he was so thankful that I ordered
Speaker 3: him breakfast. I was like that's odd, which was very sweet,
Speaker 3: but I'm like, this is like eleven dollars, like you know,
Speaker 3: twenty bucks. Okay, I have any like do you have
Speaker 3: any like sparkling water like, which was like, oh, that
Speaker 3: made a mistake. Then I like look around. I'm like,
Speaker 3: this bedroom's kind of big, and I realized there was
Speaker 3: just a mattress in the living room. Wow, And I
Speaker 3: was like, oh, it's a big studio okay. And then
Speaker 3: in like but then there's another I'm like, oh you
Speaker 3: have a roommate. Oh, so like I got this stuff
Speaker 3: like ate my breakfast. I was like, this has been sweet, sweetie,
Speaker 3: Like you're doing great, sweetye Chris Janner and like kind
Speaker 3: of like slowly backed up, never to see that.
Speaker 1: Man, Oh I feel bad.
Speaker 3: It was like, but he I was just like we're
Speaker 3: in different places in life, and like I just like
Speaker 3: great person text. A couple of times afters I was like,
Speaker 3: I'm I can't at thirty nine, I for the most
Speaker 3: part cannot do roommates.
Speaker 2: Roommates are definitely a problem for sure, But I mean
Speaker 2: when I think back to this time in life, for
Speaker 2: sure there were people who had roommates and that could
Speaker 2: be problematic for sure, But it's also like, you know,
Speaker 2: I do think in the episode there is like, first
Speaker 2: of all, I don't know if you've listened to my podcast,
Speaker 2: or whatever.
Speaker 1: I've not seen these episodes, Thank you so much. I've
Speaker 1: not seen these episodes.
Speaker 2: Since way back, right, And I in my mind really
Speaker 2: thought that the first season was just like what like
Speaker 2: all over the place, you know, and not really formed.
Speaker 2: But now I'm looking back on it and I have
Speaker 2: a whole new appreciation, Like it's not perfect by any means,
Speaker 2: but it's all there, you know, it's all there, and it's.
Speaker 3: Characteristics are surprisingly like blunt in the beginning, even when
Speaker 3: I saw when I think when you had that date
Speaker 3: come to the bar, and they were like it was
Speaker 3: he was the perfect guy for Charlotte, Like he had money,
Speaker 3: manners and like a job or something, and I was like,
Speaker 3: this is the original, Like have you heard that new
Speaker 3: Like it's like a meme like looking for a man
Speaker 3: in Finance six fives, Like I'm like, Charlotte's that original girl,
Speaker 3: Like Charlotte would have been true saying that that's so true,
Speaker 3: that's so true, thirty years ahead of time. I'm like,
Speaker 3: Charlotte was the original, like so true.
Speaker 2: And I was so criticized at the time. I don't
Speaker 2: mean me, I mean Charlotte, Like everyone's like she is
Speaker 2: so boring she's so boring and I was like, yeah,
Speaker 2: just wait, which you know, I'm just happy it worked
Speaker 2: out right. But like at the time, everyone thought that
Speaker 2: the other three were so much more interesting and obviously
Speaker 2: very powerful, and I was much more kind of traditional.
Speaker 2: But now I think people are rediscovering these things and
Speaker 2: talking more openly about these things.
Speaker 1: I think maybe exactly.
Speaker 3: I feel like it's interating because the zeitgeist. I feel
Speaker 3: like you can you can almost tell where the cultural
Speaker 3: zeitgeist is by which one of your characters they favor,
Speaker 3: and it almost like swings like this in a circle,
Speaker 3: because like everyone hated Miranda and then She'sy's like wait wait,
Speaker 3: having a job in some sense and like dressing and
Speaker 3: why I sell actually amazing that everybody hates Charlotte, and
Speaker 3: it's like, actually, wait, like liking love and wanting something,
Speaker 3: but actually Charlotte's almost like very secretly like bohemian and
Speaker 3: aware as it moves forward, or like everybody hates Carrie
Speaker 3: and then it's like it's like whatever, she's like making choices.
Speaker 3: Everybody hates Samantha just depending on where the zeit I
Speaker 3: says in relation to women. Yeah, it like swings back
Speaker 3: and forth. To all of you, because I've always stood
Speaker 3: very strong and like I'm a Miranda. I like her.
Speaker 3: I find my but everybody says different, but I find myself.
Speaker 2: Wait what does everyone say?
Speaker 3: Everyone obviously leans me towards probably a Samantha in terms
Speaker 3: of like imagery and because I curse and I'm very
Speaker 3: sex positive. But for me, I'm just like actually, like
Speaker 3: I like having a job, I like stability, Like men
Speaker 3: are very much like secondary to me doing what I
Speaker 3: want to do.
Speaker 1: I got it, but you don't practical.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you don't complete me. But if you're an additive,
Speaker 3: that's good. And I feel like from Skipper to Steve,
Speaker 3: you know the s.
Speaker 1: S A, Yes, there are a lot of guys in
Speaker 1: between there.
Speaker 3: Like Skipper is the original Steve, Like Skipper Skipper fell
Speaker 3: so Steve could walk.
Speaker 1: That's a good point.
Speaker 2: That's a good point, though, Skipper, Skipper, when I look
Speaker 2: back at this, is hysterical in a way that I
Speaker 2: just didn't even really perceive it all in the beginning.
Speaker 2: You know, he's like a like a flailing you know.
Speaker 3: Out laughing because because in the season when you guys
Speaker 3: still had the like the talk to camera with the people,
Speaker 3: so the basketball scene in this just threw me back
Speaker 3: to the nineties so hard because they were just like, oh,
Speaker 3: they filmed this like a Nike commercial. It's like, Bros,
Speaker 3: are I have never seen white men in their twenties
Speaker 3: in the park.
Speaker 1: Actually in the guge they're in the cage.
Speaker 3: Like like that's like a real thing. But I'm just like, oh,
Speaker 3: women like like skippers there.
Speaker 1: Trying to make a basket.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, I care walking to gumb like I
Speaker 3: know this for facts about that character.
Speaker 2: And also I didn't realize but I saw it again
Speaker 2: when I watched that. The guys in the bar in
Speaker 2: the twenty sevening bar when she goes back are the
Speaker 2: same guys on the basketball, which is amazing, Like we
Speaker 2: were thinking in such interesting.
Speaker 1: Ways at the time. But they do say some crazy.
Speaker 2: Things, like they say like that kid who's seventeen says smarty.
Speaker 3: It was, or like they remind me of my mom
Speaker 3: did what That's disgusting, Like why would you say to.
Speaker 2: Like And this is when we're like I feel as
Speaker 2: a show that we're just trying to be like aggressively
Speaker 2: non judgmental, do you know what I mean? Like we're
Speaker 2: just like whatever, these dudes say, we're not going to
Speaker 2: judge them, whereas when I look at them, I'm like
Speaker 2: they're awful.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, right, awful.
Speaker 3: The nineties like oh minute and whatever, I'm like, these
Speaker 3: are horrible human beings, right, And that was the dating pool,
Speaker 3: but that was also like it's an it's like it's
Speaker 3: representative of the culture at the time. Yeah, it really
Speaker 3: is just the amount of times that interestingly left even
Speaker 3: like I remember the Chris Rock Show in two thousand.
Speaker 3: You guys had like just been on the cover of
Speaker 3: something together, and it was like literally some like white
Speaker 3: male pundit like actively calling you guys horse.
Speaker 1: It was so show this is what it was like.
Speaker 3: I was like, wait, what I like, I remember being
Speaker 3: like fifteen, like nineteen eight, nineteen thousand.
Speaker 1: Was it Bill O'Reilly?
Speaker 2: Yes, because Bill O'Reilly came up to me in an
Speaker 2: event and he said, you know, he's really tall, right,
Speaker 2: and he said, if I ever see Darren Starr, I'm
Speaker 2: going to punch him in the face.
Speaker 1: And I was like, huh. I was just like, what's happening.
Speaker 2: And he goes, I can't believe what he makes you
Speaker 2: guys do, and I was like, you know, we really
Speaker 2: love our show, like we're.
Speaker 1: Fine, We're fine, thank you, sir. You know it pretty confused.
Speaker 1: He was like aggressively critical.
Speaker 3: That's such a micro cause culture though, like a strength
Speaker 3: crazy misogynist, like actually like verbally assaulting you about how
Speaker 3: they're going to help you, and you're like, I'm good.
Speaker 2: I know, and then like what happens with him happens
Speaker 2: with him? I mean, it's fascinating, right, it's fascinating.
Speaker 3: It's very fascinating coming from inside the house.
Speaker 2: Bill, So let me ask you this though, Let's talk
Speaker 2: about Big and Carrie because I need like outside interpretation
Speaker 2: because for me, also, I'm looking back on it and
Speaker 2: I am kind of like amazed and confused a little
Speaker 2: bit about it. Like I wasn't thinking objectively at all
Speaker 2: about it at the time. I fully understood that they
Speaker 2: had chemistry and that was really what mattered or whatever.
Speaker 2: And also I think he looks a little sad, you know,
Speaker 2: like I part of me I just want to take
Speaker 2: care of him. But I mean, this is me slash
Speaker 2: Charlotte obviously, but like I had forgotten the very slow
Speaker 2: kind of it was dance.
Speaker 3: They do a very slow burn. It's very interesting and
Speaker 3: I feel like that whole kind of like non committal again,
Speaker 3: like man boy, because for me, like I feel like
Speaker 3: in twenty twenty five, you're a manning forties who's like
Speaker 3: divorced or like or makes money. It's like you need
Speaker 3: to like be able to be in tune with your
Speaker 3: feelings and say I like you, this is a date.
Speaker 3: Like that's a low bar for sure. He was just like, oh,
Speaker 3: it's a drinks thing. Oh and there really was a
Speaker 3: true cat and mouse even like when his friend came ew,
Speaker 3: I was like, oh, but I love that carry did that.
Speaker 3: She was like goodbye, smart? Are you kidding me?
Speaker 1: Like, I know she's so smart.
Speaker 3: But for a man in his forties to pull that
Speaker 3: is right, is like insane. And I'm like, it's probably
Speaker 3: more common than we would think, but.
Speaker 2: Like, oh, I think so, I think men do all
Speaker 2: kind of weird. But I also think that the person
Speaker 2: that's based on was a very very powerful person in
Speaker 2: New York in the nineties, right, So we knew that
Speaker 2: and it was written in there. And I don't know
Speaker 2: when you're watching it if you can really tell, but
Speaker 2: you know, when men are at a certain level of
Speaker 2: money and power structure, they're just like I can do
Speaker 2: whatever I want to do, and you're going to follow along,
Speaker 2: lady friend, because you're lucky, you know. But she's like, no,
Speaker 2: I'm not going to do that. Here's my money, buys
Speaker 2: you some drinks. But she's charming about it, you know,
Speaker 2: like she's got game.
Speaker 3: I think that also might have been like when I
Speaker 3: look back on a very like the look on his
Speaker 3: face when when when view through the lens of their
Speaker 3: entire relationship. I think that might have been the moment
Speaker 3: where he decided to take her seriously because it was
Speaker 3: actually an expression of self worth. I feel like if
Speaker 3: Carrie stays through that date, like that's actually a really
Speaker 3: pivotal moment. If she's like, cool, I'll sit here with
Speaker 3: your divorced friend while he hits on people ew, and
Speaker 3: you're very much like that's a very clear but like
Speaker 3: it's a tale of what you will and will not accept.
Speaker 3: And for her to be like, oh, you're with your friend.
Speaker 3: I'm not going to tell you how stupid this is.
Speaker 3: I'm not trying to tell you how insens this makes me.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna leave very casually with a smile by your
Speaker 3: drink and let you figure out how dumb you look
Speaker 3: right now, right moment.
Speaker 1: Where she's amazing, Y's amazing, like.
Speaker 3: You know what, and she's like and you can hear
Speaker 3: her and have like, am I confused? But like it's
Speaker 3: actually like we're getting the vulnerability of that moment as
Speaker 3: like the audience and the voiceover, but when he's getting
Speaker 3: as a woman being like nothing like in the most easy, breezy,
Speaker 3: beautiful yes, yes, wait, okay, I think like that in
Speaker 3: my mind when I watched it back yesterday, it was like,
Speaker 3: that's the moment I think he kind of like fell
Speaker 3: in love or the game became real because the first
Speaker 3: three episodes, he's an idea, he's a nickname, playing with her.
Speaker 3: Miranda can't figure it out, and she was number one
Speaker 3: litigation you know.
Speaker 1: I love that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And then she's like no, thank you, and he's like, okay, cool.
Speaker 2: Then they see each other again and then she's walking
Speaker 2: away and she's like, oh, would have been so cool
Speaker 2: if I didn't look back.
Speaker 1: She's also so good.
Speaker 2: But I mean the other thing that I think when
Speaker 2: I'm looking at it is like their chemistry is so strong.
Speaker 3: Do you think that I definitely, I think they were
Speaker 3: definitely like whatever version of quote unquote. Soul makes though
Speaker 3: are like when I look at it now and at
Speaker 3: my age through it, like I think the women are
Speaker 3: each other's soulmates and the men are added it to
Speaker 3: their lives. I think it's actually a love story between
Speaker 3: four women in reality, Like so it's an expression of
Speaker 3: platonic love, which makes the sex and the city ironic
Speaker 3: aspect of it. But their chemistry is super strong as
Speaker 3: like sures as characters, you know, there's something where like
Speaker 3: even the way he just keeps orbiting her and the
Speaker 3: opening like we saw brisk we saw her this and
Speaker 3: then we decided to like it made me miss the
Speaker 3: meet cute because nowadays it's like somebody's on Tender or Instagram.
Speaker 2: Yeah no, I know, we don't even have you really
Speaker 2: yeah yeah, I mean nearly rom coms are making now
Speaker 2: are like older women younger men, which I'm so fascinated by,
Speaker 2: so fascinated by.
Speaker 1: Okay, let's talk for a.
Speaker 2: Second about Charlotte, because I feel this is the first
Speaker 2: good storyline that Charlotte gets, and I remember it all
Speaker 2: so clearly. I remember literally dying when we had to
Speaker 2: do the read through, literally dying when I first read
Speaker 2: the script, like oh, my god, I've been wanting a
Speaker 2: storyline and now this is it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm to go. I mean, honestly hyper realistic and
Speaker 3: to be real, especially as a gay man, timeless.
Speaker 2: And I mean, if you think about it now, like
Speaker 2: Nikki Glazer stands up in her sick on, you know,
Speaker 2: stand up, there's a whole section on it where she
Speaker 2: gives like instructions, right, but like back then, you didn't
Speaker 2: say those words.
Speaker 3: Oh no, that was crazy, and she's just like you,
Speaker 3: let's do it the regular way, and like that's crazy.
Speaker 3: Like again, you guys are just broaching topics that have
Speaker 3: become like really trailblazing, because again, I feel like just
Speaker 3: dating in regards to anal sex is timeless, universal, No,
Speaker 3: it knows no to wrap.
Speaker 2: It was so funny that we're even saying this, Like
Speaker 2: it never would have crossed my mind at the time.
Speaker 1: I just thought like, wow, I'm gonna.
Speaker 2: Have to just get through this because I need a
Speaker 2: storyline and I need them to write for Charlotte. And
Speaker 2: like when when I was with Michael Patrick on the
Speaker 2: podcast and we talk about he remembers us at the
Speaker 2: read through because every episode still we do like an
Speaker 2: old fashioned read through so that he can hear it.
Speaker 1: And you have to really perform, like you have to
Speaker 1: say it loud. You can't just like mumble in your
Speaker 1: little microphone.
Speaker 2: You have to like hit those jokes or hey, we'll
Speaker 2: cut them right. It's like cutthroat type read through, right.
Speaker 2: I try to explain this to my young pretend children,
Speaker 2: like please be louder at the read through so that.
Speaker 1: Your stuff doesn't get cut.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, and they're like, what but anyway, back then,
Speaker 2: we couldn't get through it.
Speaker 1: We couldn't get through the four of us.
Speaker 2: We're like falling off our chairs, you know, which has
Speaker 2: happened once since then.
Speaker 1: What I had to say.
Speaker 2: Like some crazy thing to Harry and then just like that,
Speaker 2: I can't even remember what it is. I blocked it out,
Speaker 2: but like the four of us sometimes just get to
Speaker 2: laugh so hard. So when we went to film in
Speaker 2: the really really old cab, like there are some old
Speaker 2: cars in the show, but like this cab was like
Speaker 2: nineteen seventy five.
Speaker 3: I read around that scene because I was like, are
Speaker 3: they the horse drawn carriage? I'd like them back? I don't.
Speaker 3: I what is that?
Speaker 4: Is an old old cab that had enough room for
Speaker 4: all four of us, and the DP and the director
Speaker 4: are in the front seat with the handheld camera perched
Speaker 4: on the back of the front seat, which is.
Speaker 1: A you know, like bankeet or whatever you would call
Speaker 1: it in a car.
Speaker 3: Right. I think it reminded me of Taxicab Confessions. Yes,
Speaker 3: that might have been airing at the same time, but
Speaker 3: I think it was like, this feels like Taxi Cab Confessions.
Speaker 3: Have been watching and should not remember based.
Speaker 1: On my I had forgotten about that. That was a
Speaker 1: good thing. That was fascinating. It was like that, so
Speaker 1: and that guy who plays a cab driver so great.
Speaker 2: So our director and our DP are there, they're like
Speaker 2: hiding under the camera and then they'd like, you know,
Speaker 2: put their heads up and give us a note, and
Speaker 2: then we would have to do we would have to
Speaker 2: go back around to do each take so that the
Speaker 2: background matched, which is funny because you can't really see anything.
Speaker 1: But like, these are the things that we took seriously.
Speaker 2: So I never said the words, the real words I'm
Speaker 2: supposed to say until the take that we're rolling, because
Speaker 2: I was just mortified. All right, So we start, we start,
Speaker 2: we're doing this. It's like they're like this is it.
Speaker 2: You know we're gonna do it. So we go to
Speaker 2: do it. I can't say the words. I got my
Speaker 2: line because I can't say the words. And I was
Speaker 2: so embarrassed because then we had to go around the
Speaker 2: whole of the time. It's her Justa's like, it's okay,
Speaker 2: it's okay, it'll be okay, you can do it.
Speaker 1: You can do it.
Speaker 2: And then of course we pick up each one and
Speaker 2: my reaction when she's like, we're gonna go to you
Speaker 2: know whatever Miranda's addresses and I'm like no.
Speaker 1: And then they're like, we're going to Samandag and I'm
Speaker 1: like no. Like it's very funny and very Charlotte, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean it.
Speaker 3: Is it very much was I think it was just
Speaker 3: it was very Charlotte like. And again Charlotte has some
Speaker 3: of the more interesting lines and also just ends up
Speaker 3: her arc is interesting because I feel like you were
Speaker 3: all such three sixty human beings but were packaged in
Speaker 3: very palatable archetypes for the time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean we're only three sixty beings because of
Speaker 2: our writers working so hard over and you know, we
Speaker 2: had Michael Patrick, but so many women, and.
Speaker 3: I feel like it, like everything kind of like slowly
Speaker 3: exposed itself when they're giving you archetypes, and obviously those
Speaker 3: archetypes have lasted for decades now through like you know
Speaker 3: girls or like other Michael Patrick King shows like like
Speaker 3: a Younger or like a show like you Know it's
Speaker 3: one girl, two guys, and then like the actual world
Speaker 3: around her ends up being more important than those men,
Speaker 3: which is a very interesting thing that I've seen in
Speaker 3: like in like those kind of Darren Star Michael Patrick, etc.
Speaker 1: Right, right, right, No, that's a good point.
Speaker 3: That's a good point of Twilight or Hunger Games.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh.
Speaker 3: She in the City Code where it's like which guy
Speaker 3: do I choose? And like my friends actually helped me
Speaker 3: with that, Like.
Speaker 1: That's so interesting.
Speaker 3: I never thought of that true line. But yeah, Charlotte,
Speaker 3: Charlotte's been dealing with everything, but she deals with everything
Speaker 3: through I feel like a bohemian Greenwich lens. That's what
Speaker 3: I call it. Like she was raised in Greenwich. Those
Speaker 3: are her mores, and those what she's that's what she's
Speaker 3: been told to like. But I feel like Charlotte is
Speaker 3: actually a character through the tire series that just slowly
Speaker 3: becomes more herself to the point where you get to
Speaker 3: like and just like that and she's like hyperbohemian and
Speaker 3: like call and like buying her kid's condoms. Like that's
Speaker 3: like that.
Speaker 1: I know, it's so interesting.
Speaker 3: I want to man, She's like, Okay, do it in
Speaker 3: the house. Don't get pregned.
Speaker 2: I know it's so it's so crazy, But I do
Speaker 2: think that's like a very relatable trajectory, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean, Like you know you kind of like like
Speaker 2: that's how Also, I think her friends have influenced her,
Speaker 2: you know, because people are still like, well, why were
Speaker 2: you friends with them in the beginning? I'm like what,
Speaker 2: why would I be? Because she wants to be them,
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: Or even the episode, there was an later episode I
Speaker 3: think where after she maybe gets divorced or she's with Trey,
Speaker 3: where she's like goes back to the girls with the
Speaker 3: GRD edge and she's like, I hate these bitches.
Speaker 1: She realizes she's the Samantha of that.
Speaker 3: She's sheds funny about sex and then she's like, wait,
Speaker 3: these girls suck, like right.
Speaker 2: That episode is how I ended up at the Jacques
Speaker 2: Moose show in Nice.
Speaker 3: Oh what I remember that? I literally Yeah, he had
Speaker 3: a picture.
Speaker 2: Simone had a picture of me with you know, my
Speaker 2: young self in like a tank top with a sweater tide,
Speaker 2: like so preppy, and that was the inspiration you wanted
Speaker 2: me to wear that.
Speaker 1: I'm like, babe, it's so many years ago, I can't
Speaker 1: wear that tank top. He was like no, he was
Speaker 1: so sweet.
Speaker 2: It's like just maybe a shirt, you know, but that
Speaker 2: was his whole inspiration, which I was like, how random,
Speaker 2: but also how incredibly flattering.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, that's so funny that, like you guys
Speaker 3: have been living these moments or moments that you might
Speaker 3: have forgotten, are such cannon or like you know, like
Speaker 3: personality defining things for now a new generation of creatives
Speaker 3: that like you're not working with like that, which is
Speaker 3: amazing interesting.
Speaker 2: We would never have it, never, never would have entered
Speaker 2: our mind, you know, like at this point still you know,
Speaker 2: this aired in nineteen ninety eight, right, which is hysterical.
Speaker 1: Nothing had aired yet before this first season.
Speaker 2: We filmed the whole first season without anything on the air,
Speaker 2: and no one knew what we were so we weren't
Speaker 2: borrowing clothes at this point, like like we were hoping
Speaker 2: one day maybe we could borrow some clothes, you know,
Speaker 2: from somebody, like none of that had happened, you know,
Speaker 2: it was a different world.
Speaker 1: But I have another thing I want to tell you about.
Speaker 2: So, you know, the scene after the cab scene, and
Speaker 2: I go back to the guy who's played by Josh Stenberg,
Speaker 2: who's a great actor, Like, did you watch Fleischman is
Speaker 2: in trouble?
Speaker 1: Is that what it's called? Flesh is in trouble?
Speaker 3: I did.
Speaker 1: He's on there. He's really scary.
Speaker 3: He's a clear new gus guy, right.
Speaker 2: I know, it was so good, so good. He's a
Speaker 2: great actor. He's been in so many things. I should
Speaker 2: have looked this up so I could list his things.
Speaker 1: But he's great. And he was that guy, the guy.
Speaker 2: Who wanted me to do the thing I didn't want
Speaker 2: to do, which I'm just not going to say. So
Speaker 2: we went we filmed that scene. I still have that
Speaker 2: shiny blouse. I still have all these clothes from back then,
Speaker 2: which is kind of funny because they're so boring, but
Speaker 2: I still have them.
Speaker 1: And we filmed that scene. And I had been in.
Speaker 2: Acting class for like twenty years at this point, right
Speaker 2: before before the show you know, got going so to
Speaker 2: me in acting class. They're always talking about high stakes,
Speaker 2: high stakes, So I'm thinking about how much she wants
Speaker 2: to get married, how this guy is so perfect but
Speaker 2: he wants me to do this thing, and how upsetting.
Speaker 1: That would be. Whatever, So I'm very emotional.
Speaker 2: Darren came to me and said, you know, babe, we've
Speaker 2: got to refilm that. And I'm like, what, Like, I
Speaker 2: think it's the only time in my life I've had
Speaker 2: to reshoot a scene based on my performance. And he said, listen,
Speaker 2: you know this is just one guy. There's another guy
Speaker 2: around the corner.
Speaker 1: And I was like, what what?
Speaker 2: Like to me, I did not understand that, Like, as
Speaker 2: a human being, I didn't understand that, and I didn't
Speaker 2: understand that from acting perspective. But also I didn't really
Speaker 2: know these girls yet, Like there are real girls that
Speaker 2: they were based on. I don't know about that, you
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. So I was like, oh god,
Speaker 2: there's another guy around the corner.
Speaker 1: Really for Charlotte, like this is what she thinks.
Speaker 2: And he's like, yes, we've got to reshoot this.
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, So we did.
Speaker 2: It's the only scene, thank god, in my career, I know,
Speaker 2: because he did not want me to have the high stakes,
Speaker 2: which I had never really been told like, don't have
Speaker 2: high stakes.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: I mean that also for the time period, that scene
Speaker 3: is groundbreaking one.
Speaker 1: I'm glad and too.
Speaker 3: I wanted to say, like, also for me rewatching the series,
Speaker 3: it's so interesting and I'm not sure if you've had
Speaker 3: a guest say this yet. How much almost like my
Speaker 3: like coming out is coded with watching you guys date
Speaker 3: because like, as a kid, I'm like sitting here watching
Speaker 3: all this these episodes and like you're seeing sex for
Speaker 3: the first time, and I read like now it's like
Speaker 3: triggering me. Watching the first season, I'm like, oh, this
Speaker 3: is when I first realized I was attracted to do that.
Speaker 3: Wasn't saying anything, but I was like, wow, like that
Speaker 3: guy's hut okay. I was like, I'm also looking for
Speaker 3: me on that six five and finance, so I was like,
Speaker 3: I'd be like, I feel like Sex and the City
Speaker 3: kind of like taught me I was gay before I
Speaker 3: was even gay. Because especially for me, like Samantha's sex
Speaker 3: scenes it very much like I remember I literally remember
Speaker 3: being thirteen and watching I have sex with that fireman
Speaker 3: and the yeah, and the camera spinning around, and I
Speaker 3: was like, yeah, that was good in his butt.
Speaker 1: Glad we could be of help, you know.
Speaker 3: So there's so many there's so many levels. I feel
Speaker 3: like everybody like, I'm sure you hate hearing people say like, oh,
Speaker 3: we grew up with you because we're still like experiencing it.
Speaker 1: Like, Noah, I don't mind.
Speaker 3: I still need my LTW Charlotte spinoff. I would like,
Speaker 3: I just want you guys as crazy like Spence moms
Speaker 3: going and doing things like.
Speaker 1: That's very great. Oh, you're gonna love the first episode.
Speaker 2: Then when we would come back, I'm on a little
Speaker 2: adventure me and LTW.
Speaker 1: We do have a good time. We do have a
Speaker 1: good time.
Speaker 2: And also, I personally not that I'm ever wanting anyone
Speaker 2: to spend anything off from us. I always want to
Speaker 2: be there, right, But like LTW could actually just have
Speaker 2: her own spinoff because her whole family is so fascinating.
Speaker 3: I've enjoyed the whole thing. I'm also like, I think
Speaker 3: I've heard you guys talking on like one of the
Speaker 3: last episodes about like the crazy reaction to like Miranda,
Speaker 3: But I'm like, that's what happens, guys. Thank you friends
Speaker 3: that make crazy decisions and right like them and they
Speaker 3: are the catalyst for your life, even like Charlotte, when
Speaker 3: I remember when Miranda first gets with Chay and you're
Speaker 3: the picnic and you're like, huh, so explain what is
Speaker 3: what is happening with you? But I think that's what
Speaker 3: I would like. Again, that's such Charlotte in that growth,
Speaker 3: calling the thing the thing. Like Carrie will be petty,
Speaker 3: She'll still make a punge, but she's not. Carrie is
Speaker 3: not going to cut through and be like what the
Speaker 3: fuck is going on?
Speaker 1: It's true, But can I tell you about that scene?
Speaker 2: So Miranda, sorry Cynthia was directing that episode, which is
Speaker 2: so crazy to remember, right, so she's in it.
Speaker 1: It's a big episode. She's also directing it. So when I.
Speaker 2: Read that scene, I thought that Charlotte was being like
Speaker 2: kind of supportive but gently questioning, you know, like how
Speaker 2: she does sometimes like are you sure we get there?
Speaker 2: And Michael Patrick's like yell at her. I'm like what
Speaker 2: what We're down at Battery Park And He's like yell
Speaker 2: at her.
Speaker 1: I'm like, hah okay, yell at her. I'm so scared.
Speaker 3: She looks so.
Speaker 2: Mad, like she looks so mad at me, you know,
Speaker 2: and you know we have lost all boundaries between our
Speaker 2: personal and professional selves, right. He's like, no, you gott
Speaker 2: to yell at her because this is shocking, and I'm like,
Speaker 2: you're You're right, I guess. I mean, I thought it
Speaker 2: was all very exciting, but that has more to do
Speaker 2: with me.
Speaker 1: I guess right that she took this big leap. You know.
Speaker 2: Obviously not everybody feels that way, and people are still
Speaker 2: have very strong.
Speaker 1: Feelings about it, very strong strong, it's crazy.
Speaker 2: But I also take that as a compliment, like we're
Speaker 2: thirty years later almost, and people have strong feelings.
Speaker 3: How lou Yah people do feel I think it's got
Speaker 3: to be interesting for you almost, like and well, I'm
Speaker 3: sure we'll discuss it the later date. I'm sure I'll
Speaker 3: meet you at some point in this life.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you got to come to the set, babe.
Speaker 3: People feeling like they have ownership over you guys and
Speaker 3: what you do or like yeah, like even like in
Speaker 3: the fan reactions like even I'll admit the first is
Speaker 3: of it, and just like that, I was like, well,
Speaker 3: I'm like, wait, actually it's been twenty something years, Like
Speaker 3: they're going to be different people there's going to be
Speaker 3: to feel relationships change or like if I'm looking, I'm
Speaker 3: also people are often looking for I think people don't
Speaker 3: like change, and I think, yeah, all they have when
Speaker 3: you guys sign off, whether it was two thousand and
Speaker 3: three or the end of the second movie, is like
Speaker 3: their idea of what's happened to you, Yeah that's different.
Speaker 3: Instead of like reconciling it, they're like, no, be what
Speaker 3: you were two thousand and three.
Speaker 2: I know, I know, I feel bad, But the truth
Speaker 2: is if we were what we were in two thousand
Speaker 2: and three, nobody would want to see that exactly.
Speaker 1: That would be sad, you know.
Speaker 2: You know, yeah, No, we had to create something new,
Speaker 2: and we're just really lucky that we even get to
Speaker 2: do it in this crazy world that we're living in.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, Like we were lucky in
Speaker 2: the beginning because in the beginning we were old.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: That's what's also so funny when you rewatch, like we
Speaker 2: look like little, tiny children, but we were over thirty,
Speaker 2: which was like shocking, right that there'd be a show
Speaker 2: where a bunch of thirty somethings were like stomping around
Speaker 2: New York at high heels. People were like, what, like
Speaker 2: it like was mind blowing, but it's so funny.
Speaker 3: How Like honestly, again, it is kind of universal because
Speaker 3: I've had when I go back and look at it
Speaker 3: and kind of like that's that episode triggered my memory
Speaker 3: of the rest of the seasons, Like I've had a
Speaker 3: lot of the things that happened to you happened to me,
Speaker 3: Like I've had my friends have kids now and I
Speaker 3: went in and I had I had a Chanel, a
Speaker 3: blood red Chanell boy bag and and then one of
Speaker 3: the little kids spilled yogurt on it. And I was like, no,
Speaker 3: like I've never wanted to like throat punch a four
Speaker 3: year old. But and like one of the one of
Speaker 3: the moms is like, well, you know, it wasn't even
Speaker 3: it wasn't the mom who's throwing the party was my friend,
Speaker 3: but it was was the mom with the girl that
Speaker 3: did it, who was very badly behaves like well, you know,
Speaker 3: we don't expend money on like things like that, And
Speaker 3: I'm like, bitch you, oh god, you live in Brentwood.
Speaker 3: Your house is eight million American dollars, like totally, you know,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna go light your tesla on fire and see
Speaker 3: how you feel about that. So I feel like that
Speaker 3: was like the carry Shoe episode where it's like, don't
Speaker 3: tell judge me and my life or like what I want.
Speaker 3: And I also think almost being like a gay man
Speaker 3: is like being a single gay woman in the nineties,
Speaker 3: is like people are used to it, like they're used
Speaker 3: to the idea of you will just yeah, very strange
Speaker 3: ways that you're like, excuse me, I'm just here existing
Speaker 3: even like soueid like I don't want kids. I like kids,
Speaker 3: Do I want? No? Do I want them? Not? Right right?
Speaker 3: I think that's very similar to what all of your
Speaker 3: characters are going through in different capacities, whether it's you know,
Speaker 3: Samantha being like no, Carrie kind of evolving with it,
Speaker 3: Charlotte being like this is the goal right right, right right,
Speaker 3: and you know Marina just kind of having had one
Speaker 3: like oh, well, well here we go. Whoo Now I
Speaker 3: gotta raise a kid. Now I have a brain totally.
Speaker 2: And I also think, like Michael Patrick talked about, he
Speaker 2: really felt at the time that he came nineteen ninety seven,
Speaker 2: you know that being a gay man, like he he
Speaker 2: felt the other in the way that we single women
Speaker 2: at the time felt the other. But I still feel
Speaker 2: like it's not that different now in a lot of ways, I.
Speaker 3: Think it's like it's a very similar energy you get,
Speaker 3: and I feel like it's the energy of just basically
Speaker 3: like straight men not understanding you and looking at the
Speaker 3: entire world through their purview and being like, oh, you
Speaker 3: don't want this. It's almos like straightmen, or like like
Speaker 3: Miranda Precy, like everybody wants to be us and we're like, no,
Speaker 3: we don't.
Speaker 1: Totally. Yes, it is like that. I feel like that
Speaker 1: as a single woman.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, And people are like, but why why, And
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh my god, please stop asking me why.
Speaker 3: I am like to this day, like when people ask
Speaker 3: the question like they think it's a compliment or like
Speaker 3: I'll get it online or from friends or when on
Speaker 3: a first date, how are you single? That's not Maybe
Speaker 3: I was sick, Maybe I was not prioritizing romantic love.
Speaker 3: Maybe I have standards, maybe I get maybe I get
Speaker 3: a fair amount of love from my friends of thirty
Speaker 3: years who maybe I want someone who's added to my life.
Speaker 3: But like, but like you're acting as if pairing off
Speaker 3: monogamously is the default is actually really really presumptuous and
Speaker 3: really condescending, and I think, like, I think that's why
Speaker 3: the spirit of the show continues on or like it
Speaker 3: has been so similarly like forced in people's lives. It's
Speaker 3: almost like you're getting four versions of like being yourself,
Speaker 3: of like authentically being yourself and having friends that don't
Speaker 3: judge you. Because I think, like seminal moments in all
Speaker 3: the episodes, whether it's this one, whether it's the Carrie blowjob,
Speaker 3: the FedEx guy, whether it's Charlotte getting mad about the pregnancy,
Speaker 3: it's like those moments when you want to judge, but
Speaker 3: they come back and be like, that was rude of
Speaker 3: me to do that to you, Like, actually, your life
Speaker 3: is different than mine. And I think that's why people
Speaker 3: are so attached to these characters, because like it happens
Speaker 3: in all the cycles of their lives, through divorces, through marriages,
Speaker 3: through babes, through cancer, through coming out as non binary
Speaker 3: and moving to LA You're just like, Okay, I'm gonna
Speaker 3: I'm gonna question your decision making, but I'm not gonna
Speaker 3: come in at like my shit doesn't stink. And I
Speaker 3: like love that, and I think going back to this
Speaker 3: episode you kind of like really feel it in a
Speaker 3: similar way where again, like I'm gonna sand Tinto's down.
Speaker 3: This is where Carrie and Big fall in love because
Speaker 3: Carrie asserts her standards kind of Charlotte actually, when you
Speaker 3: think about it, like deals with the wildest stuff the episode,
Speaker 3: because even like for me, I was like, oh, like
Speaker 3: oh wow, like Samanthia slept with a twenty year old
Speaker 3: and like did it on your side? Like nineteen second
Speaker 3: was a watch. She's like, we did it on our side,
Speaker 3: And I'm like, so you rolled over this like Charlotte's
Speaker 3: like dealing with butt sex and you're like, oh, I'm
Speaker 3: crazy because I did it on my left shoulder. Like
Speaker 3: you're right, all the true everyone is there with Charlotte
Speaker 3: like dealing with bohemian through a more traditional lens, and like.
Speaker 2: You're right, I like this take likely. I'm down with it.
Speaker 2: I'm going to write down that whole last thing you said.
Speaker 2: I'm going to refer back to it, okay when I
Speaker 2: get put on the spot.
Speaker 1: All right, thank you, thank you for being with us,
Speaker 1: for having me. This has been You're amazing.
Speaker 2: Yes, good travels out there, and we want to see
Speaker 2: you back here in La.
Speaker 3: Yes, I'll be back in La soon, I think, I
Speaker 3: don't even know, sometime soon, two weeks.
Speaker 1: I know your jet setter, babe. I love it.