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Speaker 1: Hi.

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Speaker 2: I'm Kristin Davis, and I want to know are you

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Speaker 2: a Charlotte? Hi? Hi, everybody, welcome back to Are You

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Speaker 2: a Charlotte. Today we're going to talk about episode one

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Speaker 2: oh four. It's in season one and it's called Valley

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Speaker 2: of the twenty something Guys. And I love this episode

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Speaker 2: so much. And I have a fantastic guest with me today.

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Speaker 2: His name is blakely Thornton. He's a super fan and

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Speaker 2: I love to follow him on Instagram. He's very funny

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Speaker 2: and TikTok and he is his how he's known is

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Speaker 2: your internet's mean best friend, which I find hysterical because

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Speaker 2: I don't really perceive you as mean.

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Speaker 3: I don't either, Like honestly, that was a headline that

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Speaker 3: Hunger magazine gave me when I was like, oh wow,

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Speaker 3: this is my first and friends of like speaking as

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Speaker 3: yourself in like, oh that's what That's what you got

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Speaker 3: from that?

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Speaker 2: That's super interesting, okay, because I personally would not just

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Speaker 2: describe you as that way though. What I do love

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Speaker 2: so much about you anythings, First of all, super smart,

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Speaker 2: extremely insightful, very funny, but also you just say it

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Speaker 2: like how you see it, and there's not a lot

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Speaker 2: of kind of layers or nonsense. You're not trying to

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Speaker 2: please anybody, and that's very refreshing and wonderful.

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Speaker 3: Brands. I call it. See something, say something, I'm like, what, oh,

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Speaker 3: all right.

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Speaker 1: I love it. I love it.

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Speaker 2: That's what we need at this time, I think in

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Speaker 2: internet land because like, to me, you're not mean, You're

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Speaker 2: just honest.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm like, I think there's no value. I always say, like,

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Speaker 3: there's no value in not calling the thing the thing,

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Speaker 3: because I'm like, what are we getting out of it?

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Speaker 3: That's how we got here, we were all it's okay,

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Speaker 3: let's use you phemisms like well now.

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Speaker 1: Right right right.

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Speaker 2: But also I feel like that created this land where

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Speaker 2: like people could be mean and because they were saying

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Speaker 2: things kind of like honestly people are like amazing when

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Speaker 2: in fact, no, not really, they're really mean, you know.

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Speaker 2: But also I think just the joy of people speaking freely,

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Speaker 2: people respond to that.

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Speaker 3: M hm.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 3: I think you're trying to I try to like infuse

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Speaker 3: some joy into it, like alowd you do? Yes? Funny

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Speaker 3: you do you do?

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Speaker 2: My thirteen year old love zoo, oh thank you. I

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Speaker 2: know she doesn't have Instagram so I have to show her.

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Speaker 2: So I pick and choose based on the subject matter,

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Speaker 2: you know, And she was like out of everyone I've had,

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Speaker 2: she was like, it was so cute, it was so

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Speaker 2: so cute. So anyway, she wish she was here. She

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Speaker 2: wanted to skip school. But when I told her you're

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Speaker 2: on zoom, she was like, oh, okay, but she will

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Speaker 2: be listening.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So hi, Gemma, you're listening.

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Speaker 3: Hello, Hello, Gemma. A pleasure, A pleasure to meet you

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Speaker 3: through the internet.

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Speaker 1: There you go, one day, one day in person, one

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Speaker 1: day person.

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Speaker 2: All right, this is so exciting because I am really

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Speaker 2: really curious what you're going to be saying, and I

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Speaker 2: really don't know.

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Speaker 1: So let me just say that to everybody.

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Speaker 2: It's not like we we have had no contact other

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Speaker 2: than me following him basically, and we do no I think,

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Speaker 2: you know Molly right, you know our costume designer or dance.

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Speaker 3: We visited the whole archive in Queens like for me

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Speaker 3: is a young little like Elgibillennial gay boy. I was like,

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Speaker 3: I have I remember these moments because I'm much more

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Speaker 3: familiar with the series than I should be, Like, I

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Speaker 3: remember the first episode I saw was I think, like

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Speaker 3: season one, the last like, well, you guys are the

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Speaker 3: Hamptons and like Carrie finds out bigxating someone else, she's

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Speaker 3: on the cowboy hat on the Oh. Yeah, I was

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Speaker 3: a good one in seventh grade. But for some reason,

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Speaker 3: like me and all my straight football friends, like it

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Speaker 3: was so I didn't know Sex and the City was

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Speaker 3: together everything. I watched the series finale, we all were

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Speaker 3: like shut up, turned off basketball and watched the Carry

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Speaker 3: in Paris part two episode and always men are married

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Speaker 3: with children. I don't know how I feel like young

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Speaker 3: boys like don't have that learn misogyny yet, but like

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Speaker 3: Sex and the City, Sex and the City and the

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Speaker 3: OC and I went to like an all boys prep school,

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Speaker 3: was like wow, that was the show?

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Speaker 1: No way, okay.

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Speaker 2: This year like breaking new ground in terms of my

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Speaker 2: no idea that was happening either.

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Speaker 3: Well, I don't think it should have been like if

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Speaker 3: our parents are kind of handling it like we were twelve,

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Speaker 3: like what is that tasting spunk? And it's like a

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Speaker 3: bunch of like teenage boys.

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Speaker 2: Valid question, really valid question, But I don't think that's

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Speaker 2: a bad thing. No, right, like that might have been educational.

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Speaker 3: I think it was very I think honestly, all the

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Speaker 3: guys that watched it like were better with their girlfriends

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Speaker 3: And what the female experience was, Oh my god, okay,

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Speaker 3: I like, oh, they kind of had the inside tracks.

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Speaker 1: That's amazing. That's amazing and wonderful.

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Speaker 2: I mean whenever men, like there was a time when

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Speaker 1: Oh, we love it. Then sometimes men would.

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Speaker 2: Be like, oh, you know, my girlfriend, you know, makes

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Speaker 1: Were like that's okay, cool.

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Speaker 2: However, you know, and we were always like secretly like

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Speaker 2: that's great. You know, thank god the girlfriend's making me

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Speaker 2: watch it, because that's gonna help, you know, that's going

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Speaker 2: to help the meeting of you know, the the the

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Speaker 2: sexes over the divide, the great Divide.

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Speaker 1: So I'm excited to hear.

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Speaker 2: But you were in seventh grade, so that that is

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Speaker 2: really interesting.

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Speaker 3: Okay, yes, I should I should thought it been again,

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Speaker 3: it was my my I think the series finale aired

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Speaker 3: like the fall of my like this fall of my

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Speaker 3: senior year in high school. I think it was like Wow,

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Speaker 3: November two thousand and three, so like I remember that.

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Speaker 3: I rely wow cough Carrie. Yeah startek phone.

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Speaker 1: I remember that too. What did you think of Orishna cough?

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Speaker 2: And then well we're gonna go backwards in time, But

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Speaker 2: just curious because I've been hearing some interesting takes on Bristia.

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Speaker 3: Always interesting to see how you felt originally when you

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Speaker 3: see it and then going in rewatching it. I think

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Speaker 3: Barishna cough. Like I feel like I've dated men like

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Speaker 3: significantly older because I'm thirty nine, So I guess what

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Speaker 3: about Carrie's agency to the show? Right, I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I feel like he's interesting. He was never the end game.

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Speaker 3: I don't love how I feel like he was almost

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Speaker 2: Well, like to me, he's just super aloof like like

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Speaker 2: he makes mister Biggs seem like he's not a loof,

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Speaker 3: Mister Biggs like he's amazing. But then you go early,

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Speaker 3: mister Big, I'm like, this man is a he was

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Speaker 3: a boy before there was a word for it.

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Speaker 2: I mean, is he Okay, so can you please please

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Speaker 3: I think a boy is just like a man who

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Speaker 3: And I find that is very big for Carrie. In

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Speaker 3: the first few seasons, he's like, let's go like even

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Speaker 3: this episode, let's go to drinks, drink thing, let's go

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Speaker 3: to this. That right for me, like just a man

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Speaker 3: that gives you red flags, but right after the red

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Speaker 3: flag is like an immediate excuse to keep you confused.

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Speaker 2: Okay, then I've totally totally get it. See I was

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Speaker 2: confused by the boy part. I thought this boy part

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Speaker 2: meant like like an unemployed you know, like boy, like

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Speaker 2: a pool boy.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what I thought in my brain.

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Speaker 3: A man who's in it to like keep you emotionally tethered.

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Speaker 1: Oh, Okay, well I know all aboustioning.

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Speaker 3: Like this show, you can go back to the episode,

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Speaker 3: but like even like the phones in episode in this episode, yeah,

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Speaker 3: I feel like I grew up on This is the

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Speaker 3: New York. I was promised and then didn't get because I.

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Speaker 1: Know, I'm really sorry. I feel that way for so

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Speaker 1: many people. But when they're.

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Speaker 2: Actually in the bar and there are multiple people on

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Speaker 2: a landline on an old fashioned phone, what is happening?

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Speaker 3: I wanted to be I want to go back to that,

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Speaker 3: Indy Sleeve's like twenty ten. It was right before everybody

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was still kind of like a little bit

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Speaker 3: This is a club called dark Room, where like the

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Speaker 3: bouncer was a drug dealer and you'd see like the

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Speaker 3: whole cast of Gossip Girl and like you can't do

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Speaker 3: like I had like a fight with Sebastian standover or

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Speaker 3: a slice of pizza, like you can't have anymore.

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Speaker 1: No, it's so sad.

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Speaker 3: There's just there's surveillance everybody.

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Speaker 1: No, you can't do nothing. I know, it's terrible.

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Speaker 2: But when you see the bars, because I've been sober

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Speaker 2: not quite sure, especially in this particular episode value of

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Speaker 2: the twenty sething guys, I don't know where they are,

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Speaker 2: Like do those look like real bars to you?

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Speaker 3: I feel like New York bars. There's a there's a

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Speaker 3: PR lens, Like I remember when you guys like there's bed,

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Speaker 3: there's yes, sushi, there's you know, yeah, yeah, there's all

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Speaker 3: those things. And I feel like for me, like that

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Speaker 3: I would go to a bar where like you had

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Speaker 2: Phones, which would be amazing. I would go, we should

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Speaker 2: open that you see.

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Speaker 3: The hottest club and like trybeca for like a year.

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Speaker 1: You know, it would be fantastic. I agree, it would

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Speaker 1: be fantastic.

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Speaker 2: I mean my feeling now And I don't know if

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Speaker 2: this is shaped by where we film for and just

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Speaker 3: I personally came to New York City in the fall

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Speaker 3: When this episode originally aired, I was twelve years old.

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Speaker 3: It was like, but he I was just like we're

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Speaker 1: I've not seen these episodes, Thank you so much. I've

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Speaker 2: Since way back, right, And I in my mind really

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Speaker 2: were thinking in such interesting.

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00:19:21,119 --> 00:19:24,360
Speaker 1: Ways at the time. But they do say some crazy.

440
00:19:23,920 --> 00:19:29,320
Speaker 2: Things, like they say like that kid who's seventeen says smarty.

441
00:19:29,480 --> 00:19:31,600
Speaker 3: It was, or like they remind me of my mom

442
00:19:31,920 --> 00:19:36,880
Speaker 3: did what That's disgusting, Like why would you say to.

443
00:19:37,480 --> 00:19:39,760
Speaker 2: Like And this is when we're like I feel as

444
00:19:39,800 --> 00:19:42,280
Speaker 2: a show that we're just trying to be like aggressively

445
00:19:42,359 --> 00:19:44,600
Speaker 2: non judgmental, do you know what I mean? Like we're

446
00:19:44,680 --> 00:19:47,480
Speaker 2: just like whatever, these dudes say, we're not going to

447
00:19:47,560 --> 00:19:49,040
Speaker 2: judge them, whereas when I look at them, I'm like

448
00:19:49,040 --> 00:19:50,080
Speaker 2: they're awful.

449
00:19:50,400 --> 00:19:51,920
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, right, awful.

450
00:19:52,119 --> 00:19:54,200
Speaker 3: The nineties like oh minute and whatever, I'm like, these

451
00:19:54,200 --> 00:19:58,480
Speaker 3: are horrible human beings, right, And that was the dating pool,

452
00:19:58,600 --> 00:20:01,080
Speaker 3: but that was also like it's an it's like it's

453
00:20:01,119 --> 00:20:04,200
Speaker 3: representative of the culture at the time. Yeah, it really

454
00:20:04,240 --> 00:20:06,800
Speaker 3: is just the amount of times that interestingly left even

455
00:20:06,880 --> 00:20:10,360
Speaker 3: like I remember the Chris Rock Show in two thousand.

456
00:20:10,560 --> 00:20:12,479
Speaker 3: You guys had like just been on the cover of

457
00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:16,960
Speaker 3: something together, and it was like literally some like white

458
00:20:17,080 --> 00:20:20,440
Speaker 3: male pundit like actively calling you guys horse.

459
00:20:20,560 --> 00:20:22,600
Speaker 1: It was so show this is what it was like.

460
00:20:22,680 --> 00:20:25,000
Speaker 3: I was like, wait, what I like, I remember being

461
00:20:25,040 --> 00:20:27,240
Speaker 3: like fifteen, like nineteen eight, nineteen thousand.

462
00:20:27,040 --> 00:20:28,800
Speaker 1: Was it Bill O'Reilly?

463
00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:32,040
Speaker 2: Yes, because Bill O'Reilly came up to me in an

464
00:20:32,040 --> 00:20:35,320
Speaker 2: event and he said, you know, he's really tall, right,

465
00:20:35,640 --> 00:20:38,560
Speaker 2: and he said, if I ever see Darren Starr, I'm

466
00:20:38,600 --> 00:20:39,760
Speaker 2: going to punch him in the face.

467
00:20:39,880 --> 00:20:44,760
Speaker 1: And I was like, huh. I was just like, what's happening.

468
00:20:45,040 --> 00:20:47,359
Speaker 2: And he goes, I can't believe what he makes you

469
00:20:47,400 --> 00:20:49,040
Speaker 2: guys do, and I was like, you know, we really

470
00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:51,120
Speaker 2: love our show, like we're.

471
00:20:50,920 --> 00:20:55,320
Speaker 1: Fine, We're fine, thank you, sir. You know it pretty confused.

472
00:20:55,680 --> 00:20:58,520
Speaker 1: He was like aggressively critical.

473
00:20:58,920 --> 00:21:01,359
Speaker 3: That's such a micro cause culture though, like a strength

474
00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:04,679
Speaker 3: crazy misogynist, like actually like verbally assaulting you about how

475
00:21:04,680 --> 00:21:06,679
Speaker 3: they're going to help you, and you're like, I'm good.

476
00:21:06,920 --> 00:21:09,320
Speaker 2: I know, and then like what happens with him happens

477
00:21:09,320 --> 00:21:12,040
Speaker 2: with him? I mean, it's fascinating, right, it's fascinating.

478
00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:14,120
Speaker 3: It's very fascinating coming from inside the house.

479
00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:18,040
Speaker 2: Bill, So let me ask you this though, Let's talk

480
00:21:18,040 --> 00:21:22,040
Speaker 2: about Big and Carrie because I need like outside interpretation

481
00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:24,959
Speaker 2: because for me, also, I'm looking back on it and

482
00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:29,119
Speaker 2: I am kind of like amazed and confused a little

483
00:21:29,119 --> 00:21:32,200
Speaker 2: bit about it. Like I wasn't thinking objectively at all

484
00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:35,320
Speaker 2: about it at the time. I fully understood that they

485
00:21:35,320 --> 00:21:37,879
Speaker 2: had chemistry and that was really what mattered or whatever.

486
00:21:38,080 --> 00:21:40,480
Speaker 2: And also I think he looks a little sad, you know,

487
00:21:40,560 --> 00:21:42,160
Speaker 2: like I part of me I just want to take

488
00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:43,720
Speaker 2: care of him. But I mean, this is me slash

489
00:21:43,800 --> 00:21:47,680
Speaker 2: Charlotte obviously, but like I had forgotten the very slow

490
00:21:48,359 --> 00:21:50,399
Speaker 2: kind of it was dance.

491
00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:53,520
Speaker 3: They do a very slow burn. It's very interesting and

492
00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:56,320
Speaker 3: I feel like that whole kind of like non committal again,

493
00:21:56,400 --> 00:21:58,159
Speaker 3: like man boy, because for me, like I feel like

494
00:21:58,240 --> 00:22:00,840
Speaker 3: in twenty twenty five, you're a manning forties who's like

495
00:22:01,119 --> 00:22:03,520
Speaker 3: divorced or like or makes money. It's like you need

496
00:22:03,560 --> 00:22:05,040
Speaker 3: to like be able to be in tune with your

497
00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:07,480
Speaker 3: feelings and say I like you, this is a date.

498
00:22:07,560 --> 00:22:10,640
Speaker 3: Like that's a low bar for sure. He was just like, oh,

499
00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:12,800
Speaker 3: it's a drinks thing. Oh and there really was a

500
00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:16,480
Speaker 3: true cat and mouse even like when his friend came ew,

501
00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:19,639
Speaker 3: I was like, oh, but I love that carry did that.

502
00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:23,159
Speaker 3: She was like goodbye, smart? Are you kidding me?

503
00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:26,000
Speaker 1: Like, I know she's so smart.

504
00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:28,800
Speaker 3: But for a man in his forties to pull that

505
00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:33,240
Speaker 3: is right, is like insane. And I'm like, it's probably

506
00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:34,640
Speaker 3: more common than we would think, but.

507
00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:36,919
Speaker 2: Like, oh, I think so, I think men do all

508
00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:39,600
Speaker 2: kind of weird. But I also think that the person

509
00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:43,800
Speaker 2: that's based on was a very very powerful person in

510
00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:46,680
Speaker 2: New York in the nineties, right, So we knew that

511
00:22:47,040 --> 00:22:49,080
Speaker 2: and it was written in there. And I don't know

512
00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:51,320
Speaker 2: when you're watching it if you can really tell, but

513
00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:53,199
Speaker 2: you know, when men are at a certain level of

514
00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:56,199
Speaker 2: money and power structure, they're just like I can do

515
00:22:56,240 --> 00:22:58,359
Speaker 2: whatever I want to do, and you're going to follow along,

516
00:22:58,440 --> 00:23:02,159
Speaker 2: lady friend, because you're lucky, you know. But she's like, no,

517
00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:04,480
Speaker 2: I'm not going to do that. Here's my money, buys

518
00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:07,040
Speaker 2: you some drinks. But she's charming about it, you know,

519
00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:08,119
Speaker 2: like she's got game.

520
00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:10,119
Speaker 3: I think that also might have been like when I

521
00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:12,840
Speaker 3: look back on a very like the look on his

522
00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:15,840
Speaker 3: face when when when view through the lens of their

523
00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:18,760
Speaker 3: entire relationship. I think that might have been the moment

524
00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:20,800
Speaker 3: where he decided to take her seriously because it was

525
00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:24,320
Speaker 3: actually an expression of self worth. I feel like if

526
00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:27,320
Speaker 3: Carrie stays through that date, like that's actually a really

527
00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:30,280
Speaker 3: pivotal moment. If she's like, cool, I'll sit here with

528
00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:33,439
Speaker 3: your divorced friend while he hits on people ew, and

529
00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:36,040
Speaker 3: you're very much like that's a very clear but like

530
00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:38,680
Speaker 3: it's a tale of what you will and will not accept.

531
00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:40,800
Speaker 3: And for her to be like, oh, you're with your friend.

532
00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:43,719
Speaker 3: I'm not going to tell you how stupid this is.

533
00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:46,199
Speaker 3: I'm not trying to tell you how insens this makes me.

534
00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:50,280
Speaker 3: I'm gonna leave very casually with a smile by your

535
00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:53,200
Speaker 3: drink and let you figure out how dumb you look

536
00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:55,360
Speaker 3: right now, right moment.

537
00:23:55,119 --> 00:23:58,040
Speaker 1: Where she's amazing, Y's amazing, like.

538
00:23:58,000 --> 00:23:59,560
Speaker 3: You know what, and she's like and you can hear

539
00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:01,640
Speaker 3: her and have like, am I confused? But like it's

540
00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:04,600
Speaker 3: actually like we're getting the vulnerability of that moment as

541
00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:07,720
Speaker 3: like the audience and the voiceover, but when he's getting

542
00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:12,199
Speaker 3: as a woman being like nothing like in the most easy, breezy,

543
00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:19,280
Speaker 3: beautiful yes, yes, wait, okay, I think like that in

544
00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:21,560
Speaker 3: my mind when I watched it back yesterday, it was like,

545
00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:23,560
Speaker 3: that's the moment I think he kind of like fell

546
00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:26,200
Speaker 3: in love or the game became real because the first

547
00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:30,479
Speaker 3: three episodes, he's an idea, he's a nickname, playing with her.

548
00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:33,000
Speaker 3: Miranda can't figure it out, and she was number one

549
00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:34,199
Speaker 3: litigation you know.

550
00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:36,960
Speaker 1: I love that.

551
00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:40,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, And then she's like no, thank you, and he's like, okay, cool.

552
00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:42,800
Speaker 2: Then they see each other again and then she's walking

553
00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:44,360
Speaker 2: away and she's like, oh, would have been so cool

554
00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:45,280
Speaker 2: if I didn't look back.

555
00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:46,880
Speaker 1: She's also so good.

556
00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:48,560
Speaker 2: But I mean the other thing that I think when

557
00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:50,800
Speaker 2: I'm looking at it is like their chemistry is so strong.

558
00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:54,119
Speaker 3: Do you think that I definitely, I think they were

559
00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:57,000
Speaker 3: definitely like whatever version of quote unquote. Soul makes though

560
00:24:57,000 --> 00:24:59,040
Speaker 3: are like when I look at it now and at

561
00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:00,639
Speaker 3: my age through it, like I think the women are

562
00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:02,919
Speaker 3: each other's soulmates and the men are added it to

563
00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:04,800
Speaker 3: their lives. I think it's actually a love story between

564
00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:07,720
Speaker 3: four women in reality, Like so it's an expression of

565
00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:10,480
Speaker 3: platonic love, which makes the sex and the city ironic

566
00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:14,600
Speaker 3: aspect of it. But their chemistry is super strong as

567
00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:17,639
Speaker 3: like sures as characters, you know, there's something where like

568
00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:20,359
Speaker 3: even the way he just keeps orbiting her and the

569
00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:23,600
Speaker 3: opening like we saw brisk we saw her this and

570
00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:25,840
Speaker 3: then we decided to like it made me miss the

571
00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:30,440
Speaker 3: meet cute because nowadays it's like somebody's on Tender or Instagram.

572
00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:35,080
Speaker 2: Yeah no, I know, we don't even have you really

573
00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:37,480
Speaker 2: yeah yeah, I mean nearly rom coms are making now

574
00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:40,400
Speaker 2: are like older women younger men, which I'm so fascinated by,

575
00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:42,159
Speaker 2: so fascinated by.

576
00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:53,840
Speaker 1: Okay, let's talk for a.

577
00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:57,120
Speaker 2: Second about Charlotte, because I feel this is the first

578
00:25:57,240 --> 00:26:00,160
Speaker 2: good storyline that Charlotte gets, and I remember it all

579
00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:03,760
Speaker 2: so clearly. I remember literally dying when we had to

580
00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:06,280
Speaker 2: do the read through, literally dying when I first read

581
00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:08,280
Speaker 2: the script, like oh, my god, I've been wanting a

582
00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:09,720
Speaker 2: storyline and now this is it.

583
00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:13,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm to go. I mean, honestly hyper realistic and

584
00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:15,679
Speaker 3: to be real, especially as a gay man, timeless.

585
00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:19,280
Speaker 2: And I mean, if you think about it now, like

586
00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:22,280
Speaker 2: Nikki Glazer stands up in her sick on, you know,

587
00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:24,679
Speaker 2: stand up, there's a whole section on it where she

588
00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:27,920
Speaker 2: gives like instructions, right, but like back then, you didn't

589
00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:28,920
Speaker 2: say those words.

590
00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:30,800
Speaker 3: Oh no, that was crazy, and she's just like you,

591
00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:32,719
Speaker 3: let's do it the regular way, and like that's crazy.

592
00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:34,800
Speaker 3: Like again, you guys are just broaching topics that have

593
00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:39,160
Speaker 3: become like really trailblazing, because again, I feel like just

594
00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:44,080
Speaker 3: dating in regards to anal sex is timeless, universal, No,

595
00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:45,800
Speaker 3: it knows no to wrap.

596
00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:48,919
Speaker 2: It was so funny that we're even saying this, Like

597
00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:51,200
Speaker 2: it never would have crossed my mind at the time.

598
00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:53,560
Speaker 1: I just thought like, wow, I'm gonna.

599
00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:55,639
Speaker 2: Have to just get through this because I need a

600
00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:59,000
Speaker 2: storyline and I need them to write for Charlotte. And

601
00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:01,480
Speaker 2: like when when I was with Michael Patrick on the

602
00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:04,399
Speaker 2: podcast and we talk about he remembers us at the

603
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:07,680
Speaker 2: read through because every episode still we do like an

604
00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:10,040
Speaker 2: old fashioned read through so that he can hear it.

605
00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:11,879
Speaker 1: And you have to really perform, like you have to

606
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:14,240
Speaker 1: say it loud. You can't just like mumble in your

607
00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:15,040
Speaker 1: little microphone.

608
00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:17,520
Speaker 2: You have to like hit those jokes or hey, we'll

609
00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:20,719
Speaker 2: cut them right. It's like cutthroat type read through, right.

610
00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:23,400
Speaker 2: I try to explain this to my young pretend children,

611
00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:25,840
Speaker 2: like please be louder at the read through so that.

612
00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:26,880
Speaker 1: Your stuff doesn't get cut.

613
00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:30,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, and they're like, what but anyway, back then,

614
00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:31,679
Speaker 2: we couldn't get through it.

615
00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:33,320
Speaker 1: We couldn't get through the four of us.

616
00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:36,280
Speaker 2: We're like falling off our chairs, you know, which has

617
00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:37,560
Speaker 2: happened once since then.

618
00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:39,560
Speaker 1: What I had to say.

619
00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:42,600
Speaker 2: Like some crazy thing to Harry and then just like that,

620
00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:44,720
Speaker 2: I can't even remember what it is. I blocked it out,

621
00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:46,679
Speaker 2: but like the four of us sometimes just get to

622
00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:49,240
Speaker 2: laugh so hard. So when we went to film in

623
00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:52,399
Speaker 2: the really really old cab, like there are some old

624
00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:54,440
Speaker 2: cars in the show, but like this cab was like

625
00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:55,440
Speaker 2: nineteen seventy five.

626
00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:57,240
Speaker 3: I read around that scene because I was like, are

627
00:27:57,280 --> 00:28:00,200
Speaker 3: they the horse drawn carriage? I'd like them back? I don't.

628
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:01,440
Speaker 3: I what is that?

629
00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:05,359
Speaker 4: Is an old old cab that had enough room for

630
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:08,840
Speaker 4: all four of us, and the DP and the director

631
00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:13,040
Speaker 4: are in the front seat with the handheld camera perched

632
00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:15,400
Speaker 4: on the back of the front seat, which is.

633
00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:17,399
Speaker 1: A you know, like bankeet or whatever you would call

634
00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:17,920
Speaker 1: it in a car.

635
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:22,320
Speaker 3: Right. I think it reminded me of Taxicab Confessions. Yes,

636
00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:24,440
Speaker 3: that might have been airing at the same time, but

637
00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:28,000
Speaker 3: I think it was like, this feels like Taxi Cab Confessions.

638
00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:31,360
Speaker 3: Have been watching and should not remember based.

639
00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:34,119
Speaker 1: On my I had forgotten about that. That was a

640
00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:37,719
Speaker 1: good thing. That was fascinating. It was like that, so

641
00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:39,880
Speaker 1: and that guy who plays a cab driver so great.

642
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:43,160
Speaker 2: So our director and our DP are there, they're like

643
00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:45,520
Speaker 2: hiding under the camera and then they'd like, you know,

644
00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:47,320
Speaker 2: put their heads up and give us a note, and

645
00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:49,120
Speaker 2: then we would have to do we would have to

646
00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:51,800
Speaker 2: go back around to do each take so that the

647
00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:54,480
Speaker 2: background matched, which is funny because you can't really see anything.

648
00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:56,640
Speaker 1: But like, these are the things that we took seriously.

649
00:28:57,000 --> 00:29:00,200
Speaker 2: So I never said the words, the real words I'm

650
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:03,520
Speaker 2: supposed to say until the take that we're rolling, because

651
00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:06,840
Speaker 2: I was just mortified. All right, So we start, we start,

652
00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:08,520
Speaker 2: we're doing this. It's like they're like this is it.

653
00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:11,040
Speaker 2: You know we're gonna do it. So we go to

654
00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:13,320
Speaker 2: do it. I can't say the words. I got my

655
00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:16,200
Speaker 2: line because I can't say the words. And I was

656
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:18,280
Speaker 2: so embarrassed because then we had to go around the

657
00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:20,240
Speaker 2: whole of the time. It's her Justa's like, it's okay,

658
00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:21,960
Speaker 2: it's okay, it'll be okay, you can do it.

659
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:22,520
Speaker 1: You can do it.

660
00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:24,640
Speaker 2: And then of course we pick up each one and

661
00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:27,040
Speaker 2: my reaction when she's like, we're gonna go to you

662
00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:29,640
Speaker 2: know whatever Miranda's addresses and I'm like no.

663
00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:32,440
Speaker 1: And then they're like, we're going to Samandag and I'm

664
00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:36,200
Speaker 1: like no. Like it's very funny and very Charlotte, you know,

665
00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:37,320
Speaker 1: I mean it.

666
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:39,480
Speaker 3: Is it very much was I think it was just

667
00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:41,520
Speaker 3: it was very Charlotte like. And again Charlotte has some

668
00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:44,160
Speaker 3: of the more interesting lines and also just ends up

669
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:47,440
Speaker 3: her arc is interesting because I feel like you were

670
00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:51,880
Speaker 3: all such three sixty human beings but were packaged in

671
00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:54,480
Speaker 3: very palatable archetypes for the time.

672
00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:58,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean we're only three sixty beings because of

673
00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:00,680
Speaker 2: our writers working so hard over and you know, we

674
00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:02,560
Speaker 2: had Michael Patrick, but so many women, and.

675
00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:05,640
Speaker 3: I feel like it, like everything kind of like slowly

676
00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:08,520
Speaker 3: exposed itself when they're giving you archetypes, and obviously those

677
00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:12,400
Speaker 3: archetypes have lasted for decades now through like you know

678
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:16,120
Speaker 3: girls or like other Michael Patrick King shows like like

679
00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:20,960
Speaker 3: a Younger or like a show like you Know it's

680
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:25,440
Speaker 3: one girl, two guys, and then like the actual world

681
00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:27,760
Speaker 3: around her ends up being more important than those men,

682
00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:29,880
Speaker 3: which is a very interesting thing that I've seen in

683
00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:32,480
Speaker 3: like in like those kind of Darren Star Michael Patrick, etc.

684
00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:34,200
Speaker 1: Right, right, right, No, that's a good point.

685
00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:36,920
Speaker 3: That's a good point of Twilight or Hunger Games.

686
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:37,640
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh.

687
00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:39,920
Speaker 3: She in the City Code where it's like which guy

688
00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:42,160
Speaker 3: do I choose? And like my friends actually helped me

689
00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:42,920
Speaker 3: with that, Like.

690
00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:43,960
Speaker 1: That's so interesting.

691
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:46,560
Speaker 3: I never thought of that true line. But yeah, Charlotte,

692
00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:48,880
Speaker 3: Charlotte's been dealing with everything, but she deals with everything

693
00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:52,680
Speaker 3: through I feel like a bohemian Greenwich lens. That's what

694
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:54,640
Speaker 3: I call it. Like she was raised in Greenwich. Those

695
00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:56,400
Speaker 3: are her mores, and those what she's that's what she's

696
00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:58,800
Speaker 3: been told to like. But I feel like Charlotte is

697
00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:01,840
Speaker 3: actually a character through the tire series that just slowly

698
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:05,400
Speaker 3: becomes more herself to the point where you get to

699
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:09,120
Speaker 3: like and just like that and she's like hyperbohemian and

700
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:11,520
Speaker 3: like call and like buying her kid's condoms. Like that's

701
00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:12,120
Speaker 3: like that.

702
00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:14,600
Speaker 1: I know, it's so interesting.

703
00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:16,560
Speaker 3: I want to man, She's like, Okay, do it in

704
00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:17,840
Speaker 3: the house. Don't get pregned.

705
00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:21,640
Speaker 2: I know it's so it's so crazy, But I do

706
00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:25,960
Speaker 2: think that's like a very relatable trajectory, you know what

707
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:28,280
Speaker 2: I mean, Like you know you kind of like like

708
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:30,680
Speaker 2: that's how Also, I think her friends have influenced her,

709
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:32,360
Speaker 2: you know, because people are still like, well, why were

710
00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:33,880
Speaker 2: you friends with them in the beginning? I'm like what,

711
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:36,320
Speaker 2: why would I be? Because she wants to be them,

712
00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:37,360
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying.

713
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:39,760
Speaker 3: Or even the episode, there was an later episode I

714
00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:42,240
Speaker 3: think where after she maybe gets divorced or she's with Trey,

715
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:43,840
Speaker 3: where she's like goes back to the girls with the

716
00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:45,600
Speaker 3: GRD edge and she's like, I hate these bitches.

717
00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:49,040
Speaker 1: She realizes she's the Samantha of that.

718
00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:52,560
Speaker 3: She's sheds funny about sex and then she's like, wait,

719
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:54,320
Speaker 3: these girls suck, like right.

720
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:58,320
Speaker 2: That episode is how I ended up at the Jacques

721
00:31:58,360 --> 00:31:59,880
Speaker 2: Moose show in Nice.

722
00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:03,240
Speaker 3: Oh what I remember that? I literally Yeah, he had

723
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:03,800
Speaker 3: a picture.

724
00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:06,800
Speaker 2: Simone had a picture of me with you know, my

725
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:09,680
Speaker 2: young self in like a tank top with a sweater tide,

726
00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:12,680
Speaker 2: like so preppy, and that was the inspiration you wanted

727
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:13,080
Speaker 2: me to wear that.

728
00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:15,720
Speaker 1: I'm like, babe, it's so many years ago, I can't

729
00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:17,960
Speaker 1: wear that tank top. He was like no, he was

730
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:18,640
Speaker 1: so sweet.

731
00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:21,520
Speaker 2: It's like just maybe a shirt, you know, but that

732
00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:24,719
Speaker 2: was his whole inspiration, which I was like, how random,

733
00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:26,440
Speaker 2: but also how incredibly flattering.

734
00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:28,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, that's so funny that, like you guys

735
00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:30,840
Speaker 3: have been living these moments or moments that you might

736
00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:35,160
Speaker 3: have forgotten, are such cannon or like you know, like

737
00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:39,520
Speaker 3: personality defining things for now a new generation of creatives

738
00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:41,400
Speaker 3: that like you're not working with like that, which is

739
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:42,240
Speaker 3: amazing interesting.

740
00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:45,600
Speaker 2: We would never have it, never, never would have entered

741
00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:48,160
Speaker 2: our mind, you know, like at this point still you know,

742
00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:50,760
Speaker 2: this aired in nineteen ninety eight, right, which is hysterical.

743
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:53,440
Speaker 1: Nothing had aired yet before this first season.

744
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:56,680
Speaker 2: We filmed the whole first season without anything on the air,

745
00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:58,400
Speaker 2: and no one knew what we were so we weren't

746
00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:01,480
Speaker 2: borrowing clothes at this point, like like we were hoping

747
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:04,960
Speaker 2: one day maybe we could borrow some clothes, you know,

748
00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:07,640
Speaker 2: from somebody, like none of that had happened, you know,

749
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:08,800
Speaker 2: it was a different world.

750
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:10,600
Speaker 1: But I have another thing I want to tell you about.

751
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:13,680
Speaker 2: So, you know, the scene after the cab scene, and

752
00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:16,040
Speaker 2: I go back to the guy who's played by Josh Stenberg,

753
00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:18,960
Speaker 2: who's a great actor, Like, did you watch Fleischman is

754
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:19,360
Speaker 2: in trouble?

755
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:20,920
Speaker 1: Is that what it's called? Flesh is in trouble?

756
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:21,520
Speaker 3: I did.

757
00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:23,400
Speaker 1: He's on there. He's really scary.

758
00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:27,200
Speaker 3: He's a clear new gus guy, right.

759
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:30,560
Speaker 2: I know, it was so good, so good. He's a

760
00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:32,480
Speaker 2: great actor. He's been in so many things. I should

761
00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:34,040
Speaker 2: have looked this up so I could list his things.

762
00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:36,800
Speaker 1: But he's great. And he was that guy, the guy.

763
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:38,280
Speaker 2: Who wanted me to do the thing I didn't want

764
00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:40,000
Speaker 2: to do, which I'm just not going to say. So

765
00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:43,120
Speaker 2: we went we filmed that scene. I still have that

766
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:45,719
Speaker 2: shiny blouse. I still have all these clothes from back then,

767
00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:47,520
Speaker 2: which is kind of funny because they're so boring, but

768
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:48,320
Speaker 2: I still have them.

769
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:51,240
Speaker 1: And we filmed that scene. And I had been in.

770
00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:53,560
Speaker 2: Acting class for like twenty years at this point, right

771
00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:57,240
Speaker 2: before before the show you know, got going so to

772
00:33:57,360 --> 00:33:59,400
Speaker 2: me in acting class. They're always talking about high stakes,

773
00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:02,000
Speaker 2: high stakes, So I'm thinking about how much she wants

774
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:03,720
Speaker 2: to get married, how this guy is so perfect but

775
00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:06,680
Speaker 2: he wants me to do this thing, and how upsetting.

776
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:08,400
Speaker 1: That would be. Whatever, So I'm very emotional.

777
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:11,399
Speaker 2: Darren came to me and said, you know, babe, we've

778
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:15,040
Speaker 2: got to refilm that. And I'm like, what, Like, I

779
00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:17,080
Speaker 2: think it's the only time in my life I've had

780
00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:20,520
Speaker 2: to reshoot a scene based on my performance. And he said, listen,

781
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:22,879
Speaker 2: you know this is just one guy. There's another guy

782
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:23,560
Speaker 2: around the corner.

783
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:25,479
Speaker 1: And I was like, what what?

784
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:28,120
Speaker 2: Like to me, I did not understand that, Like, as

785
00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:30,479
Speaker 2: a human being, I didn't understand that, and I didn't

786
00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:33,560
Speaker 2: understand that from acting perspective. But also I didn't really

787
00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:36,000
Speaker 2: know these girls yet, Like there are real girls that

788
00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:38,440
Speaker 2: they were based on. I don't know about that, you

789
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:40,479
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. So I was like, oh god,

790
00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:42,480
Speaker 2: there's another guy around the corner.

791
00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:45,400
Speaker 1: Really for Charlotte, like this is what she thinks.

792
00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:48,200
Speaker 2: And he's like, yes, we've got to reshoot this.

793
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:49,719
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, So we did.

794
00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:53,880
Speaker 2: It's the only scene, thank god, in my career, I know,

795
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:56,040
Speaker 2: because he did not want me to have the high stakes,

796
00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:58,440
Speaker 2: which I had never really been told like, don't have

797
00:34:58,520 --> 00:34:59,160
Speaker 2: high stakes.

798
00:34:59,320 --> 00:34:59,959
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.

799
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:01,520
Speaker 3: I mean that also for the time period, that scene

800
00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:02,680
Speaker 3: is groundbreaking one.

801
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:03,640
Speaker 1: I'm glad and too.

802
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:06,600
Speaker 3: I wanted to say, like, also for me rewatching the series,

803
00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:08,560
Speaker 3: it's so interesting and I'm not sure if you've had

804
00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:12,680
Speaker 3: a guest say this yet. How much almost like my

805
00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:15,879
Speaker 3: like coming out is coded with watching you guys date

806
00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:18,160
Speaker 3: because like, as a kid, I'm like sitting here watching

807
00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:20,160
Speaker 3: all this these episodes and like you're seeing sex for

808
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:22,239
Speaker 3: the first time, and I read like now it's like

809
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:25,520
Speaker 3: triggering me. Watching the first season, I'm like, oh, this

810
00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:27,319
Speaker 3: is when I first realized I was attracted to do that.

811
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:30,120
Speaker 3: Wasn't saying anything, but I was like, wow, like that

812
00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:32,920
Speaker 3: guy's hut okay. I was like, I'm also looking for

813
00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:36,080
Speaker 3: me on that six five and finance, so I was like,

814
00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:39,640
Speaker 3: I'd be like, I feel like Sex and the City

815
00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:42,319
Speaker 3: kind of like taught me I was gay before I

816
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:45,960
Speaker 3: was even gay. Because especially for me, like Samantha's sex

817
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:48,280
Speaker 3: scenes it very much like I remember I literally remember

818
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:50,280
Speaker 3: being thirteen and watching I have sex with that fireman

819
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:52,799
Speaker 3: and the yeah, and the camera spinning around, and I

820
00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:54,680
Speaker 3: was like, yeah, that was good in his butt.

821
00:35:57,640 --> 00:35:59,000
Speaker 1: Glad we could be of help, you know.

822
00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:01,359
Speaker 3: So there's so many there's so many levels. I feel

823
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:04,320
Speaker 3: like everybody like, I'm sure you hate hearing people say like, oh,

824
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:06,560
Speaker 3: we grew up with you because we're still like experiencing it.

825
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:07,439
Speaker 1: Like, Noah, I don't mind.

826
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:12,200
Speaker 3: I still need my LTW Charlotte spinoff. I would like,

827
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:15,000
Speaker 3: I just want you guys as crazy like Spence moms

828
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:18,399
Speaker 3: going and doing things like.

829
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:21,760
Speaker 1: That's very great. Oh, you're gonna love the first episode.

830
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:25,320
Speaker 2: Then when we would come back, I'm on a little

831
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:27,080
Speaker 2: adventure me and LTW.

832
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:28,920
Speaker 1: We do have a good time. We do have a

833
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:29,359
Speaker 1: good time.

834
00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:33,400
Speaker 2: And also, I personally not that I'm ever wanting anyone

835
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:35,840
Speaker 2: to spend anything off from us. I always want to

836
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:38,880
Speaker 2: be there, right, But like LTW could actually just have

837
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:41,960
Speaker 2: her own spinoff because her whole family is so fascinating.

838
00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:44,080
Speaker 3: I've enjoyed the whole thing. I'm also like, I think

839
00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:45,680
Speaker 3: I've heard you guys talking on like one of the

840
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:50,160
Speaker 3: last episodes about like the crazy reaction to like Miranda,

841
00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:53,880
Speaker 3: But I'm like, that's what happens, guys. Thank you friends

842
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:57,279
Speaker 3: that make crazy decisions and right like them and they

843
00:36:57,280 --> 00:37:00,919
Speaker 3: are the catalyst for your life, even like Charlotte, when

844
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:02,879
Speaker 3: I remember when Miranda first gets with Chay and you're

845
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:07,000
Speaker 3: the picnic and you're like, huh, so explain what is

846
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:09,719
Speaker 3: what is happening with you? But I think that's what

847
00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:13,000
Speaker 3: I would like. Again, that's such Charlotte in that growth,

848
00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:15,439
Speaker 3: calling the thing the thing. Like Carrie will be petty,

849
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:17,640
Speaker 3: She'll still make a punge, but she's not. Carrie is

850
00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:18,960
Speaker 3: not going to cut through and be like what the

851
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:19,759
Speaker 3: fuck is going on?

852
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:22,320
Speaker 1: It's true, But can I tell you about that scene?

853
00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:27,040
Speaker 2: So Miranda, sorry Cynthia was directing that episode, which is

854
00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:29,919
Speaker 2: so crazy to remember, right, so she's in it.

855
00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:32,640
Speaker 1: It's a big episode. She's also directing it. So when I.

856
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:35,640
Speaker 2: Read that scene, I thought that Charlotte was being like

857
00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:39,399
Speaker 2: kind of supportive but gently questioning, you know, like how

858
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:42,759
Speaker 2: she does sometimes like are you sure we get there?

859
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:46,600
Speaker 2: And Michael Patrick's like yell at her. I'm like what

860
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:49,680
Speaker 2: what We're down at Battery Park And He's like yell

861
00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:50,040
Speaker 2: at her.

862
00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:53,240
Speaker 1: I'm like, hah okay, yell at her. I'm so scared.

863
00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:54,160
Speaker 3: She looks so.

864
00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:56,440
Speaker 2: Mad, like she looks so mad at me, you know,

865
00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:59,600
Speaker 2: and you know we have lost all boundaries between our

866
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:03,120
Speaker 2: personal and professional selves, right. He's like, no, you gott

867
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:05,640
Speaker 2: to yell at her because this is shocking, and I'm like,

868
00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:08,520
Speaker 2: you're You're right, I guess. I mean, I thought it

869
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:10,960
Speaker 2: was all very exciting, but that has more to do

870
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:11,239
Speaker 2: with me.

871
00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:13,719
Speaker 1: I guess right that she took this big leap. You know.

872
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:16,520
Speaker 2: Obviously not everybody feels that way, and people are still

873
00:38:16,719 --> 00:38:17,560
Speaker 2: have very strong.

874
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:20,920
Speaker 1: Feelings about it, very strong strong, it's crazy.

875
00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:24,319
Speaker 2: But I also take that as a compliment, like we're

876
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:27,520
Speaker 2: thirty years later almost, and people have strong feelings.

877
00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:30,200
Speaker 3: How lou Yah people do feel I think it's got

878
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:32,239
Speaker 3: to be interesting for you almost, like and well, I'm

879
00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:33,799
Speaker 3: sure we'll discuss it the later date. I'm sure I'll

880
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:34,839
Speaker 3: meet you at some point in this life.

881
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:36,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, you got to come to the set, babe.

882
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:39,600
Speaker 3: People feeling like they have ownership over you guys and

883
00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:42,200
Speaker 3: what you do or like yeah, like even like in

884
00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:44,360
Speaker 3: the fan reactions like even I'll admit the first is

885
00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:45,879
Speaker 3: of it, and just like that, I was like, well,

886
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:49,520
Speaker 3: I'm like, wait, actually it's been twenty something years, Like

887
00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:51,920
Speaker 3: they're going to be different people there's going to be

888
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:55,239
Speaker 3: to feel relationships change or like if I'm looking, I'm

889
00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:58,000
Speaker 3: also people are often looking for I think people don't

890
00:38:58,080 --> 00:39:01,319
Speaker 3: like change, and I think, yeah, all they have when

891
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:03,239
Speaker 3: you guys sign off, whether it was two thousand and

892
00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:04,960
Speaker 3: three or the end of the second movie, is like

893
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:08,440
Speaker 3: their idea of what's happened to you, Yeah that's different.

894
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:11,160
Speaker 3: Instead of like reconciling it, they're like, no, be what

895
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:12,879
Speaker 3: you were two thousand and three.

896
00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:16,200
Speaker 2: I know, I know, I feel bad, But the truth

897
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:18,600
Speaker 2: is if we were what we were in two thousand

898
00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:21,200
Speaker 2: and three, nobody would want to see that exactly.

899
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:23,239
Speaker 1: That would be sad, you know.

900
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:25,919
Speaker 2: You know, yeah, No, we had to create something new,

901
00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:28,120
Speaker 2: and we're just really lucky that we even get to

902
00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:31,000
Speaker 2: do it in this crazy world that we're living in.

903
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:33,279
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, Like we were lucky in

904
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:36,120
Speaker 2: the beginning because in the beginning we were old.

905
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:36,640
Speaker 1: You know.

906
00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:39,080
Speaker 2: That's what's also so funny when you rewatch, like we

907
00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:42,640
Speaker 2: look like little, tiny children, but we were over thirty,

908
00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:45,600
Speaker 2: which was like shocking, right that there'd be a show

909
00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:49,080
Speaker 2: where a bunch of thirty somethings were like stomping around

910
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:51,600
Speaker 2: New York at high heels. People were like, what, like

911
00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:54,080
Speaker 2: it like was mind blowing, but it's so funny.

912
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:56,480
Speaker 3: How Like honestly, again, it is kind of universal because

913
00:39:56,560 --> 00:39:58,759
Speaker 3: I've had when I go back and look at it

914
00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:01,320
Speaker 3: and kind of like that's that episode triggered my memory

915
00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:03,520
Speaker 3: of the rest of the seasons, Like I've had a

916
00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:05,800
Speaker 3: lot of the things that happened to you happened to me,

917
00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:08,279
Speaker 3: Like I've had my friends have kids now and I

918
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:10,520
Speaker 3: went in and I had I had a Chanel, a

919
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:12,920
Speaker 3: blood red Chanell boy bag and and then one of

920
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:15,680
Speaker 3: the little kids spilled yogurt on it. And I was like, no,

921
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:19,839
Speaker 3: like I've never wanted to like throat punch a four

922
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:24,080
Speaker 3: year old. But and like one of the one of

923
00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:25,920
Speaker 3: the moms is like, well, you know, it wasn't even

924
00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:28,320
Speaker 3: it wasn't the mom who's throwing the party was my friend,

925
00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:30,000
Speaker 3: but it was was the mom with the girl that

926
00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:31,759
Speaker 3: did it, who was very badly behaves like well, you know,

927
00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:34,239
Speaker 3: we don't expend money on like things like that, And

928
00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:37,280
Speaker 3: I'm like, bitch you, oh god, you live in Brentwood.

929
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:42,040
Speaker 3: Your house is eight million American dollars, like totally, you know,

930
00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:44,200
Speaker 3: I'm gonna go light your tesla on fire and see

931
00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:46,160
Speaker 3: how you feel about that. So I feel like that

932
00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:48,319
Speaker 3: was like the carry Shoe episode where it's like, don't

933
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:51,239
Speaker 3: tell judge me and my life or like what I want.

934
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:54,640
Speaker 3: And I also think almost being like a gay man

935
00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:56,840
Speaker 3: is like being a single gay woman in the nineties,

936
00:40:57,040 --> 00:40:58,960
Speaker 3: is like people are used to it, like they're used

937
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:01,839
Speaker 3: to the idea of you will just yeah, very strange

938
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:04,560
Speaker 3: ways that you're like, excuse me, I'm just here existing

939
00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:07,800
Speaker 3: even like soueid like I don't want kids. I like kids,

940
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:10,560
Speaker 3: Do I want? No? Do I want them? Not? Right right?

941
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:12,799
Speaker 3: I think that's very similar to what all of your

942
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:15,759
Speaker 3: characters are going through in different capacities, whether it's you know,

943
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:19,800
Speaker 3: Samantha being like no, Carrie kind of evolving with it,

944
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:24,120
Speaker 3: Charlotte being like this is the goal right right, right right,

945
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:26,080
Speaker 3: and you know Marina just kind of having had one

946
00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:29,520
Speaker 3: like oh, well, well here we go. Whoo Now I

947
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:31,680
Speaker 3: gotta raise a kid. Now I have a brain totally.

948
00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:34,839
Speaker 2: And I also think, like Michael Patrick talked about, he

949
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:38,320
Speaker 2: really felt at the time that he came nineteen ninety seven,

950
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:41,640
Speaker 2: you know that being a gay man, like he he

951
00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:44,359
Speaker 2: felt the other in the way that we single women

952
00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:46,680
Speaker 2: at the time felt the other. But I still feel

953
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:48,920
Speaker 2: like it's not that different now in a lot of ways, I.

954
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:51,560
Speaker 3: Think it's like it's a very similar energy you get,

955
00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:53,560
Speaker 3: and I feel like it's the energy of just basically

956
00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:56,440
Speaker 3: like straight men not understanding you and looking at the

957
00:41:56,560 --> 00:41:58,799
Speaker 3: entire world through their purview and being like, oh, you

958
00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:01,880
Speaker 3: don't want this. It's almos like straightmen, or like like

959
00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:04,520
Speaker 3: Miranda Precy, like everybody wants to be us and we're like, no,

960
00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:04,960
Speaker 3: we don't.

961
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:09,000
Speaker 1: Totally. Yes, it is like that. I feel like that

962
00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:09,920
Speaker 1: as a single woman.

963
00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:13,560
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, And people are like, but why why, And

964
00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:16,120
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh my god, please stop asking me why.

965
00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:18,160
Speaker 3: I am like to this day, like when people ask

966
00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:20,960
Speaker 3: the question like they think it's a compliment or like

967
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:23,120
Speaker 3: I'll get it online or from friends or when on

968
00:42:23,120 --> 00:42:26,120
Speaker 3: a first date, how are you single? That's not Maybe

969
00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:29,600
Speaker 3: I was sick, Maybe I was not prioritizing romantic love.

970
00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:33,600
Speaker 3: Maybe I have standards, maybe I get maybe I get

971
00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:35,600
Speaker 3: a fair amount of love from my friends of thirty

972
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:38,600
Speaker 3: years who maybe I want someone who's added to my life.

973
00:42:38,640 --> 00:42:41,960
Speaker 3: But like, but like you're acting as if pairing off

974
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:45,759
Speaker 3: monogamously is the default is actually really really presumptuous and

975
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:49,000
Speaker 3: really condescending, and I think, like, I think that's why

976
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:52,880
Speaker 3: the spirit of the show continues on or like it

977
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:55,799
Speaker 3: has been so similarly like forced in people's lives. It's

978
00:42:55,800 --> 00:43:00,239
Speaker 3: almost like you're getting four versions of like being yourself,

979
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:04,000
Speaker 3: of like authentically being yourself and having friends that don't

980
00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:07,839
Speaker 3: judge you. Because I think, like seminal moments in all

981
00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:10,880
Speaker 3: the episodes, whether it's this one, whether it's the Carrie blowjob,

982
00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:14,360
Speaker 3: the FedEx guy, whether it's Charlotte getting mad about the pregnancy,

983
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:16,680
Speaker 3: it's like those moments when you want to judge, but

984
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:18,640
Speaker 3: they come back and be like, that was rude of

985
00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:20,759
Speaker 3: me to do that to you, Like, actually, your life

986
00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:22,879
Speaker 3: is different than mine. And I think that's why people

987
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:25,440
Speaker 3: are so attached to these characters, because like it happens

988
00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:29,000
Speaker 3: in all the cycles of their lives, through divorces, through marriages,

989
00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:32,720
Speaker 3: through babes, through cancer, through coming out as non binary

990
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:36,120
Speaker 3: and moving to LA You're just like, Okay, I'm gonna

991
00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:38,640
Speaker 3: I'm gonna question your decision making, but I'm not gonna

992
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:42,040
Speaker 3: come in at like my shit doesn't stink. And I

993
00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:43,960
Speaker 3: like love that, and I think going back to this

994
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:47,239
Speaker 3: episode you kind of like really feel it in a

995
00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:49,920
Speaker 3: similar way where again, like I'm gonna sand Tinto's down.

996
00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:51,600
Speaker 3: This is where Carrie and Big fall in love because

997
00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:56,520
Speaker 3: Carrie asserts her standards kind of Charlotte actually, when you

998
00:43:56,520 --> 00:44:00,600
Speaker 3: think about it, like deals with the wildest stuff the episode,

999
00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:02,080
Speaker 3: because even like for me, I was like, oh, like

1000
00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:04,799
Speaker 3: oh wow, like Samanthia slept with a twenty year old

1001
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:08,000
Speaker 3: and like did it on your side? Like nineteen second

1002
00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:09,760
Speaker 3: was a watch. She's like, we did it on our side,

1003
00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:16,240
Speaker 3: And I'm like, so you rolled over this like Charlotte's

1004
00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:18,879
Speaker 3: like dealing with butt sex and you're like, oh, I'm

1005
00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:22,320
Speaker 3: crazy because I did it on my left shoulder. Like

1006
00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:26,400
Speaker 3: you're right, all the true everyone is there with Charlotte

1007
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:29,759
Speaker 3: like dealing with bohemian through a more traditional lens, and like.

1008
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:33,360
Speaker 2: You're right, I like this take likely. I'm down with it.

1009
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:35,480
Speaker 2: I'm going to write down that whole last thing you said.

1010
00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:37,799
Speaker 2: I'm going to refer back to it, okay when I

1011
00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:38,760
Speaker 2: get put on the spot.

1012
00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:42,040
Speaker 1: All right, thank you, thank you for being with us,

1013
00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:44,160
Speaker 1: for having me. This has been You're amazing.

1014
00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:46,839
Speaker 2: Yes, good travels out there, and we want to see

1015
00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:47,840
Speaker 2: you back here in La.

1016
00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:51,160
Speaker 3: Yes, I'll be back in La soon, I think, I

1017
00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:52,879
Speaker 3: don't even know, sometime soon, two weeks.

1018
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:59,880
Speaker 1: I know your jet setter, babe. I love it.