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Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace on sirius XM Triumph Channel one thirty two.

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Speaker 1: Authorities have charged a couple with murder in the death

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Speaker 1: Court documents show Sterling died Wrayne less than seven pounds,

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Speaker 1: But when he was found, he was found dead in

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Speaker 1: But when I read about this four month old baby

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Speaker 1: and the pay say, oh, we just fed him, that

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Speaker 1: is scientifically impossible. I'm Nancy Grace. This is crime stories.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us. Crime sometimes is tough

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Speaker 1: it's not starred with milk and sugar. But what's more

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Speaker 1: important than our discomfort in hearing stories, certain stories, is

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Speaker 1: the realization that they're not just stories. There are real

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Speaker 1: cases that cry out for justice. Straight out to Shelby

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Speaker 1: lynn Orman, investigative reporter, what happened, Shelby, Nancy, This case

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Speaker 1: is enough to make even the bravest of people cringe.

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Speaker 1: What we know right now is we've got a couple.

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Speaker 1: Zachary Paul Cone, twenty eight years old, Cheyenne Renee Harris,

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Speaker 1: twenty years old. Cone called and told the dispatcher that

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Speaker 1: There four month old baby boy named Sterling um and

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Speaker 1: best way for him. And if these clients are true,

428
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Speaker 1: you know, God Spade, I think that in addition to

429
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Speaker 1: him using his creative outlet and making a movie, he

430
00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:13,840
Speaker 1: must go forward to the authorities. Take a listen to

431
00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:17,840
Speaker 1: what Corey Fellman says. My life has turned into utter chaos.

432
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Speaker 1: You can probably tell by the sound of my voice

433
00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:23,080
Speaker 1: it's pretty ripped up because of the devastation of what

434
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Speaker 1: I've been through the past few days. I've experienced things

435
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Speaker 1: like never before. I mean, I've been silenced my whole life,

436
00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:31,280
Speaker 1: but just over the past few days since I made

437
00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:35,520
Speaker 1: that announcement, I've been arrested. I had a near death

438
00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:37,639
Speaker 1: experience last night where I felt like I was almost

439
00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:41,399
Speaker 1: going to be killed. Two trucks came speeding at me

440
00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:47,399
Speaker 1: at the same time on a cross walk, and then

441
00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:50,960
Speaker 1: several of my band members decided to quit because they're

442
00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:53,960
Speaker 1: afraid for their lives. I don't know what got into

443
00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:55,560
Speaker 1: their heads. I don't know what they're afraid of all

444
00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:58,439
Speaker 1: of a sudden, but they just left. I'm very alone,

445
00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:02,760
Speaker 1: but I need to protect myself and I need to

446
00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:07,280
Speaker 1: protect my family. I need additional security, and I need

447
00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:11,280
Speaker 1: a legal team to help represent me so that I

448
00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:14,440
Speaker 1: can fulfill this mission. What I'm proposing is a plan

449
00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:17,479
Speaker 1: that I believe can literally change the entertainment system as

450
00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:20,080
Speaker 1: we know it. And I believe that I can also

451
00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:25,359
Speaker 1: bring down potentially a pedophile ring that I've been aware

452
00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:27,480
Speaker 1: of since I was a child. Right off the bat,

453
00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:30,199
Speaker 1: I can name six names, one of them who is

454
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:34,199
Speaker 1: still very powerful today, and a story that links all

455
00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:37,399
Speaker 1: the way up to a studio. It connects pedophilia to

456
00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:42,040
Speaker 1: one of the major studios. I I'm very afraid to

457
00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:44,400
Speaker 1: do this. It's not easy. I've been living in fear

458
00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:47,160
Speaker 1: and been living with this my entire life. As most

459
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:53,080
Speaker 1: victims have. I've been made to feel awkward, misunderstood, and

460
00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:57,280
Speaker 1: I've been degraded at great levels. Rumors have been told,

461
00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:00,840
Speaker 1: stories have been made up about me, and I've been

462
00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:03,720
Speaker 1: insulted and degraded in ways that were unimaginable to me,

463
00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:07,840
Speaker 1: all because they fear what I know as the truth.

464
00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:11,600
Speaker 1: And I'm not alone. I know that there's thousands others

465
00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:14,520
Speaker 1: that have experienced what I've experienced in the entertainment industry.

466
00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:16,879
Speaker 1: I also know that there's peers of mine who know

467
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:19,440
Speaker 1: exactly what I'm talking about and know all the details,

468
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:21,800
Speaker 1: but have been afraid to come forward with their own truths.

469
00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:24,680
Speaker 1: I am using this to draw a line in the sand,

470
00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:28,160
Speaker 1: to say to the Hollywood community, we are better than this.

471
00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:31,639
Speaker 1: I know that we can stand together as one, We

472
00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:35,119
Speaker 1: can be united, and we can create an affront. Those

473
00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:37,760
Speaker 1: good people out there, There's plenty of them that I've

474
00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:40,360
Speaker 1: become friends with over the years. They can help me.

475
00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:42,760
Speaker 1: Right now, you guys can take my side and we

476
00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:46,960
Speaker 1: can stand together. But additionally, not just the entertainment industry,

477
00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:50,360
Speaker 1: the entire world, the entire planet can come together over

478
00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:54,040
Speaker 1: this issue because our children are the most sacred things

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00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:57,360
Speaker 1: we have. Who could even dream of robbing an innocent

480
00:28:57,480 --> 00:29:01,680
Speaker 1: child of their life experience. It's not fair and it

481
00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:05,840
Speaker 1: must end. So I'm begging you to join me and

482
00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:09,080
Speaker 1: let our voices be heard. I've lived in shame and

483
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:12,240
Speaker 1: fear my entire life, and so have millions of others.

484
00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:14,840
Speaker 1: And now we have the ability to let our voices

485
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Speaker 1: be heard and break the damn of silence. I propose

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Speaker 1: to do this by making a film that will be

487
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:26,080
Speaker 1: the most honest and true depiction of child abuse ever portrayed,

488
00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:29,640
Speaker 1: by telling my own story in a very real way,

489
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Speaker 1: in a very honest way, with no editing, no censorship,

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Speaker 1: no studio behind it. I will make the film, I'll

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Speaker 1: direct the film, I'll produce the film, and I will

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Speaker 1: self distribute it to guarantee that it gets a theatrical

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Speaker 1: release with your donations. Additionally, it will help me by

494
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Speaker 1: the security and the legal team that I need to

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Speaker 1: protect my family until the project is released. And once

496
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Speaker 1: it's done, I believe that we can revolutionize the film

497
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Speaker 1: industry in a way that we can root out the

498
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Speaker 1: evil and make it safe for our kids again. So

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Speaker 1: please join me in this fight. I know that together

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Speaker 1: we can stand strong. The time is now. I've had

501
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Speaker 1: people on Twitter begging me to do this, and I

502
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Speaker 1: need to tell you that with thirty thousand new followers

503
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Speaker 1: just in the last week, I know this is what

504
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Speaker 1: everybody wants to know. Everybody wants the answer, who did this,

505
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Speaker 1: Who's responsible? They all want the answer, And all these

506
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Speaker 1: people taunt me and tease me and bullying me on

507
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Speaker 1: social media on a daily basis. Every day when I

508
00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:31,560
Speaker 1: go on Twitter, I have to be confronted with this

509
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Speaker 1: topic that I do not want to have to think

510
00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:35,800
Speaker 1: about again. But every day when I'm trying to live

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Speaker 1: my life and do other things and go on with

512
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Speaker 1: my tour that I've worked so hard for, I had

513
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Speaker 1: to lose all of that for this, and I'm willing

514
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Speaker 1: to walk away from all of it if I can

515
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Speaker 1: make a difference, and I believe that I can with

516
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Speaker 1: this idea, So please join me and help me and

517
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:58,520
Speaker 1: making our voices be heard and making a change that

518
00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:03,000
Speaker 1: can revolutionize the film industry, save millions of children's lives,

519
00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:06,240
Speaker 1: and let the truth be told so that the people

520
00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:09,360
Speaker 1: who have done this damage can come to their consequences

521
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:14,160
Speaker 1: they deserve. Justice will be served under God's name, because

522
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:16,400
Speaker 1: this is about good and evil. At the end of

523
00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:18,640
Speaker 1: the day, there is nothing more evil than people who

524
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:22,440
Speaker 1: want to take advantage of innocent children. Let's protect them together.

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00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:26,720
Speaker 1: God bless you. Alan Duke. He's if these claims are true,

526
00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:29,640
Speaker 1: He's up against a lot in Hollywood. I understand his

527
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:32,160
Speaker 1: whole band, all the band members quit once he came

528
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:34,640
Speaker 1: forward with this claim. It's going to be difficult. What

529
00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:36,520
Speaker 1: lawyer is going to touch it with a ten foot

530
00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:39,840
Speaker 1: pole in Hollywood anyway? Yeah, you know, it's a very

531
00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:42,840
Speaker 1: dangerous thing for a lawyer to get involved with the

532
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:45,720
Speaker 1: last time this happened, we had this pedophilia allegation made

533
00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:48,000
Speaker 1: against major figures in Hollywood a few years ago in

534
00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:51,520
Speaker 1: the lawyer ended up quitting after two months, paying a

535
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:57,000
Speaker 1: settlement to the alleged pedophiles, the defendants in that, and

536
00:31:57,760 --> 00:31:59,840
Speaker 1: putting out a statement saying if he had known the

537
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:02,440
Speaker 1: were false allegations, who would have gotten involved in it.

538
00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:04,920
Speaker 1: So you've got to be very careful because a lawyer

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00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:07,200
Speaker 1: has liability if he gets involved with this and it

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00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:10,120
Speaker 1: turns out that it is not substantiated. You know, though,

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00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:11,680
Speaker 1: I don't want to throw a Corey film and in

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00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:13,880
Speaker 1: the same pot with that guy. That guy's a convicted

543
00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:18,320
Speaker 1: felon that. I mean, my point is, what is that

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00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:21,880
Speaker 1: That's just like saying, oh, a woman claims she was

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00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:24,360
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546
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:26,920
Speaker 1: what does that have to do with this now? Nothing? Well,

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00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:29,080
Speaker 1: first of all, there's the other thing about in Hollywood

548
00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:34,640
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550
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:41,400
Speaker 1: they just just tore up that last lawyer who defended. Now,

551
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:44,400
Speaker 1: there are some very brave lawyers here, you know them.

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00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:46,800
Speaker 1: I mean, there's Gloria all written. You know she is

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00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:49,880
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554
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:52,920
Speaker 1: she or somebody else standing up next to Corey? Well,

555
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:55,440
Speaker 1: for one thing, before you can get a lawyer on board,

556
00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:57,880
Speaker 1: you actually have to name who your attacker is to

557
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:00,720
Speaker 1: start with. But before I know, throwut in the baby

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Speaker 1: What is appealing about that with me? Alexis tres Chuck,

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Speaker 1: investigative reporter for Radar Online dot Com. Also, and boy,

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Speaker 1: do we need a shrink today. Dr Tiffany Sanders psychologists

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Speaker 1: joining us. First, Alexa's let me understand all the facts

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Speaker 1: before I go to the shrink. Dr Tiffany Sanders helped

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Speaker 1: me out. Alexe, just just start at the beginning. So

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Speaker 1: the beginning is when he became famous. His mug shot

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Speaker 1: was posted online. Somebody saw it. He's gorgeous, he has

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Speaker 1: the picture of him went viral. Hot felon. Oh you

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Speaker 1: just think I'm a felon? You a cute guy? Whatever?

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Speaker 1: You don't know. You know what his felony was for.

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Speaker 1: He was a gang member and had with possession of

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Speaker 1: a gun. And he even admitted, oh yeah, wait a minute,

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Speaker 1: who said, oh he's a key guy. I never said, oh,

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Speaker 1: he's a cute guy, because when I saw the word

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Speaker 1: felon attached to his mug shot, I don't care how

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Speaker 1: you want to put perfume on the pig and Gussie

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Speaker 1: it up. It's a mug shot and a mug shot.

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Speaker 1: It's not cute to me. Alexis Terrez, Chuck, you have

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Speaker 1: a baby boy, right, Do you want the photo he's

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Speaker 1: remembered for to be as mug shot? This is what

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Speaker 1: people do in the standards, Yes or no, Alexis? Okay?

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00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:29,399
Speaker 1: Why why do you want your daughter? You want your

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Speaker 1: son and hopefully one day your daughter. I'm pushing for

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Speaker 1: a baby sister here. Do you want your son dating

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Speaker 1: a felon? Do you know? Huh? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why?

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Speaker 1: This mom? His mom decided to take advantage of his name,

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Speaker 1: and she even set up a go fund Me page

641
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:45,120
Speaker 1: so people could give them money to help pay for

642
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:48,239
Speaker 1: all his legal troubles. His legal troubles. He's got better,

643
00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:51,719
Speaker 1: bigger troubles and legal troubles. Okay, I got you all

644
00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:54,080
Speaker 1: track with all the ranting. Start at the beginning. So

645
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:58,080
Speaker 1: he's arrested for gang activity and possession of a firearm.

646
00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:00,560
Speaker 1: He's booked, all right, take it from the How did

647
00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:02,880
Speaker 1: he get famous? That's what I don't understand. The police

648
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:06,879
Speaker 1: department posts there mug shots online. People saw it and

649
00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:10,200
Speaker 1: thought that he was gorgeous, so it went viral. Everybody

650
00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:12,040
Speaker 1: started looking at him. He got he earned the nickname

651
00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:15,879
Speaker 1: the hot felon because it looked like a Calviclne underwear model.

652
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:19,480
Speaker 1: Add his his picture because he's so handsome. I think

653
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:23,399
Speaker 1: he's handsome. Sorry, okay, I'm sorry to hear you say that.

654
00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:26,320
Speaker 1: And then about let's say, your son in about fifteen years,

655
00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:28,799
Speaker 1: I'll get back with you on this. We'll find out

656
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:31,399
Speaker 1: if your son, god forbid, has a record, I mean

657
00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:34,280
Speaker 1: even jay walking. I'm on him like a cheap suit.

658
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:36,799
Speaker 1: I'm gonna remind you of this. Okay, So let me

659
00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:39,200
Speaker 1: go to Dr Tiffany Sanders, psychologist joining us, and you

660
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:43,960
Speaker 1: know Dr Tiffany. Typically I'm talking to you about killers, murderers,

661
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:48,120
Speaker 1: serial killers, free killers, child predators, the works. So can

662
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:49,680
Speaker 1: I just take a tiny break from that and talk

663
00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:52,239
Speaker 1: to you about the so called hot felon. I'm not

664
00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:54,120
Speaker 1: going to call him the hot felon because he's not

665
00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:56,960
Speaker 1: hot to me. To me, he's a felon. I don't

666
00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:58,839
Speaker 1: want him. I don't want anything to do with him,

667
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:01,520
Speaker 1: and I certainly don't one in busting up marriages. I mean,

668
00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:06,719
Speaker 1: have you seen the wife. The wife is gorgeous. She's beautiful.

669
00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:10,000
Speaker 1: Plus she is the mother of three. She just broke

670
00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:13,760
Speaker 1: down in tears on UM it was a britt talk

671
00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:17,040
Speaker 1: show UM this morning with Ben Shephard and Aman to

672
00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:22,480
Speaker 1: hold him. Broke down confessing she still misses her husband

673
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:26,480
Speaker 1: of eight years. How can that be? Dr Tiffany? Why

674
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:31,120
Speaker 1: would she still miss him? Oh wait, hold on, Dr Tiffany. Jackie,

675
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:34,840
Speaker 1: always the jaded one, is holding up a big sign.

676
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:39,000
Speaker 1: But she ain't rich. She's gorgeous, but she ain't rich. Okay, true,

677
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:42,160
Speaker 1: how can this? How can the wife still miss him?

678
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:45,040
Speaker 1: Dr Tiffany. She made a commitment to him. She made

679
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:47,960
Speaker 1: a commitment to love, to honor, to honor, to cherish him.

680
00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:50,960
Speaker 1: They have three beautiful kids. He is a handful man.

681
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:53,839
Speaker 1: He has great bone structure. He has these piercing blue eyes.

682
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:58,080
Speaker 1: I mean, he's gorgeous. He's got tattoos all over his neck,

683
00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:01,120
Speaker 1: crawling up behind his ear. I don't want to wake

684
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:03,720
Speaker 1: up wait wait, wait, wait, wait wait wait, Dr Tiffany.

685
00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:06,240
Speaker 1: I do not want to wake up to a net

686
00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:08,759
Speaker 1: in an ear covered in tattoos. I don't want to

687
00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:12,279
Speaker 1: see that first thing in the morning. Okay, I don't

688
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:14,560
Speaker 1: want to say it, you know, I I think to

689
00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:17,440
Speaker 1: each his own and and for her. You know, he

690
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:19,640
Speaker 1: was that rough guy. He could probably protect us, but

691
00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:22,200
Speaker 1: unfortunately he was a gang member. He is a gang member.

692
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:25,960
Speaker 1: But that one muck shot went viral. And the difficult

693
00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:28,600
Speaker 1: thing is it says she can't compete with this heiress.

694
00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:31,879
Speaker 1: This heiress is a daughter of a billionaire, and so

695
00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:34,280
Speaker 1: her come up is not as great as this other woman's.

696
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:36,799
Speaker 1: And so he really, to me, is a leech. And

697
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:39,400
Speaker 1: it's hard for her to to disconnect that he's a

698
00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:41,480
Speaker 1: leech now because she still sees them as a father

699
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:44,960
Speaker 1: of her children and her husband. And that's very difficult

700
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:48,080
Speaker 1: to raise after you've committed yourself and you've been married

701
00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:51,720
Speaker 1: and you had children with this man. Oh, dear Lord

702
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:54,840
Speaker 1: in heaven, Alexa's Trusha. I hope you got your iPad

703
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:56,600
Speaker 1: with you, because right now I'm looking at a picture.

704
00:40:56,640 --> 00:40:59,680
Speaker 1: Let me hold this up to the studio. Look, Jackie, Look, look, guys,

705
00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:02,040
Speaker 1: that's him with the new girlfriend. Okay, I don't even

706
00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:04,200
Speaker 1: know what this is. It looks like she has on

707
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:07,600
Speaker 1: nothing except she's got on like I guess they're dressed

708
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:12,640
Speaker 1: up in some weird style. Two thousand seventeen of what

709
00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:15,879
Speaker 1: they think an American Indian might have looked like, oh,

710
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:18,880
Speaker 1: it's an ad campaign, thank you, Jackie. Here he is

711
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:22,960
Speaker 1: publicly parading his romance with Aris Chloe. Is they this

712
00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:25,120
Speaker 1: is not an ad campaign, Jackie, thank you for the

713
00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:29,840
Speaker 1: false information. Uh As they enjoyed carnival during a sunny

714
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:33,960
Speaker 1: Barbados holiday. Okay, now she's writing something else, funny, you

715
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:37,719
Speaker 1: just keep scribbling. She has on nothing, but it looks

716
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:42,479
Speaker 1: like a beated thong and like feathers around her head,

717
00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:45,560
Speaker 1: and he has on feathers like a mohawk in a

718
00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:49,120
Speaker 1: pair of underwear, and they're kissing. I'm just wondering Dr

719
00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:53,160
Speaker 1: Tiffany Sanders when his wife sees that if she's looking,

720
00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:56,560
Speaker 1: and I'm sure she used for her company top shot. Okay,

721
00:41:56,600 --> 00:41:58,480
Speaker 1: no it all. Nobody likes to know it all, Jackie

722
00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:02,399
Speaker 1: just f y I okay, it wasn't at campaign. So look,

723
00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:05,200
Speaker 1: you know the wife doesn't want to look. Why do

724
00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:07,680
Speaker 1: we look? Why do we look at things we know

725
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:10,520
Speaker 1: are going to hurt us? Because sometimes we have this

726
00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:13,000
Speaker 1: false thinking that if I just see it, if I

727
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:15,200
Speaker 1: feel the pain, that it will be so much that

728
00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:17,360
Speaker 1: it will turn me off from willing to love, wanting

729
00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:19,520
Speaker 1: to love him, and that's just not how it works.

730
00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:22,960
Speaker 1: You know. Another thing is curiosity. Curiosity killed the cat,

731
00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:26,759
Speaker 1: but satisfaction brought it back. Um, Alexis tres Chuck. Have

732
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:30,279
Speaker 1: you ever had before you met your awesome husband. You

733
00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:32,360
Speaker 1: should have seen him when you were in the hospital

734
00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:35,160
Speaker 1: and you had that collapsed along and he was out

735
00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:38,439
Speaker 1: there in the waiting room. You hit paid dirt. Don't

736
00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:40,080
Speaker 1: tell him I said that, because I always tell him

737
00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:42,880
Speaker 1: he married up. But you really hit paid dirt with

738
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:44,720
Speaker 1: that one. And that's what you need in a husband.

739
00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:48,840
Speaker 1: There's a good looking man, it's like a bus. Another

740
00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:51,720
Speaker 1: one will come along and roll up in about fifteen minutes.

741
00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:55,319
Speaker 1: That's not what you need. You need a man. Not

742
00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:57,600
Speaker 1: that your husband's not good looking, because he is, but

743
00:42:58,040 --> 00:43:00,360
Speaker 1: a man that's there for you. I mean, that is

744
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:02,400
Speaker 1: sitting out there in the waiting room waiting for you

745
00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:04,399
Speaker 1: to open your eyes so he can rush in there

746
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:07,600
Speaker 1: and be by your side. That is what marriage to me,

747
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:10,480
Speaker 1: that's what marriage it's all about. It is somebody that

748
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:13,279
Speaker 1: you love and trust and they're there through thick or thin.

749
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:16,480
Speaker 1: Everything else is just gravy. It's just icing on the cake.

750
00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:19,880
Speaker 1: So why back to the question, have you ever had

751
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:23,600
Speaker 1: a bad boyfriend? Alexis sure, bad boyfriend, but never a felon,

752
00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:27,320
Speaker 1: not that you know. Why is it Dr Tiffany Sanders

753
00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:30,560
Speaker 1: that people want bad guys? Why do you want one?

754
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:34,080
Speaker 1: You know, any of us want one. I used to

755
00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:36,600
Speaker 1: say I wanted and educated. Look, don't ask me why

756
00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:39,120
Speaker 1: I was young. I was, thankfully. I gotta feel an

757
00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:41,800
Speaker 1: educated husband. But what we like about it is the

758
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:44,759
Speaker 1: thought that that person can protect us. They're strong, if

759
00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:47,200
Speaker 1: they're on the street, they can defend our honor. And

760
00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:50,120
Speaker 1: so we walk around with these theories of this is

761
00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:52,520
Speaker 1: what a good guy looks like, and that's not correct.

762
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:54,120
Speaker 1: The good guy could be an accountant. The good guy

763
00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:57,040
Speaker 1: can be a lawyer, a lawyer or a consolian. And

764
00:43:57,080 --> 00:43:59,880
Speaker 1: what she fell in love with was a felon. And

765
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:01,800
Speaker 1: he's willing to break the law, and he's willing to

766
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:04,760
Speaker 1: break the marriage law, the vow. So so she really

767
00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:07,359
Speaker 1: had um a sort of information. I had a time

768
00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:08,880
Speaker 1: to know that this may not be the type of

769
00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:11,000
Speaker 1: man you want to marry, but she turned a blind

770
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:13,759
Speaker 1: eye because she was in love. Or what I feel

771
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:15,720
Speaker 1: like is she was in lust with who good looks

772
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:19,000
Speaker 1: I was basically looking for somebody really big that could

773
00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:22,879
Speaker 1: lift things, and David is and so he fit all

774
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:26,600
Speaker 1: my criteria. Alexis, isn't it true that he has a

775
00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:29,239
Speaker 1: tattoo of a tear drop on his face coming out

776
00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:32,319
Speaker 1: of his eye and that is a gang symbol. I'm

777
00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:36,360
Speaker 1: sure the prosecutor you know that. I learned when I

778
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:42,360
Speaker 1: was prosecuting that typically it means that you have killed somebody,

779
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:46,600
Speaker 1: that you have killed someone or spend time in prison.

780
00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:51,840
Speaker 1: That is typically what that means. It can acknowledge the

781
00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:54,839
Speaker 1: loss of family or fellow gang member, but typically the

782
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:58,719
Speaker 1: meaning is you've killed somebody or you've done time behind bars. Now,

783
00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:02,000
Speaker 1: don't you know this young heiress's family is just so

784
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:05,800
Speaker 1: proud that she has landed the so called hot felon.

785
00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:07,760
Speaker 1: Can we just talk about that for I'm an Alexis

786
00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:10,319
Speaker 1: to rest Chuck? Who is she? Chloe Green is the

787
00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:13,680
Speaker 1: heiress of top Shop, the top Shop Fortunate. You may

788
00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:15,480
Speaker 1: not be familiar with that line because it is just

789
00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:17,200
Speaker 1: come to the United States. It's a British line, but

790
00:45:17,239 --> 00:45:21,080
Speaker 1: it is international. Her father is a billionaire, very cutting

791
00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:24,280
Speaker 1: edge clothes, but act and very expensive clothes. Top models

792
00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:27,200
Speaker 1: Kate Boss has modeled for them. They have very very

793
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:30,760
Speaker 1: expensive clothes, and she has fallen ahead of her heels

794
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:33,680
Speaker 1: in love with the hot Felon and she has given

795
00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:36,680
Speaker 1: him pretty much everything that he could ever imagine. Can

796
00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:38,839
Speaker 1: I tell you a little personal story. Two weeks ago

797
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:42,240
Speaker 1: I got to Alexis. You know I live for personal stories.

798
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:44,680
Speaker 1: Go ahead. I got two text messages within an hour

799
00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:47,680
Speaker 1: of each other of my friends who had seen hot

800
00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:51,520
Speaker 1: Felon in his ferrari with his kids here in Los Angeles.

801
00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:53,920
Speaker 1: One was at a falafel place. Was my friend's husband

802
00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:56,040
Speaker 1: and he said he saw him. He was in the ferrari,

803
00:45:56,160 --> 00:45:58,799
Speaker 1: his kids were there. And another was a girlfriend of

804
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:01,040
Speaker 1: mine who was out in malibus and sent me a picture.

805
00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:02,719
Speaker 1: She said, look at this. I said, who is that?

806
00:46:03,080 --> 00:46:04,879
Speaker 1: She said, that's a hot Felon. I said, my god,

807
00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:07,279
Speaker 1: what are you doing? She said, I just saw him

808
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:09,120
Speaker 1: with all of his kids and and and her son

809
00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:10,600
Speaker 1: was with her. She took a picture with him. I

810
00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:12,200
Speaker 1: was like, you just took a picture with a man

811
00:46:12,239 --> 00:46:14,720
Speaker 1: who spent nine years in prison. But okay, my husband

812
00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:18,319
Speaker 1: saw him to Alexis. Did he really? Yeah? You know.

813
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:21,320
Speaker 1: David travels all the time for work. He has a job,

814
00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:25,920
Speaker 1: a job, hot felon. My husband works for a living. Yeah,

815
00:46:26,239 --> 00:46:29,799
Speaker 1: not like you, not mooching off your girlfriend. Um, but

816
00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:32,040
Speaker 1: he has a job, and he was traveling out of

817
00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:34,680
Speaker 1: town and he walked through some hotel lobby it had

818
00:46:34,680 --> 00:46:38,840
Speaker 1: to be New Yorker, California, and he saw hot felon. Okay,

819
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:43,240
Speaker 1: I know he's a model, Jackie. Jackie's trying to defend him. Okay,

820
00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:46,600
Speaker 1: Now what about the family. I'm looking at a picture

821
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:50,120
Speaker 1: right now of the so called hot felon Jeremy Meeks

822
00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:53,359
Speaker 1: gazing into the eyes of his heiress girlfriend Chloe Green,

823
00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:58,480
Speaker 1: and her mother Tina gives him the so called seal

824
00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:03,040
Speaker 1: of approval at a star studied charity bash. They're in

825
00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:07,279
Speaker 1: tons of pictures together. Um, can you help me understand that,

826
00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:11,400
Speaker 1: Dr Tiffany Sanders, Because whenever I think I know what's happening,

827
00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:13,640
Speaker 1: whenever one of my children are making a bad decision.

828
00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:18,359
Speaker 1: Sometimes sometimes I would say about sixty percent of the time,

829
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:20,799
Speaker 1: I go, okay, if you don't want to go to

830
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:23,560
Speaker 1: soccer practice, that's okay, And only took me a year

831
00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:25,319
Speaker 1: and a picture of you with Hope solo to get

832
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:27,480
Speaker 1: you into the soccer league. But if you don't want

833
00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:29,360
Speaker 1: to go to practice, that's okay. I'm sure you know

834
00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:31,319
Speaker 1: you'll find something to do after they kick you out,

835
00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:33,680
Speaker 1: no problem, And I'll just let him ruminate for a while.

836
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:35,799
Speaker 1: But if you throw throw too much of a fit,

837
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:40,080
Speaker 1: they'll do the reverse. Right. So what do you think

838
00:47:40,120 --> 00:47:42,319
Speaker 1: about the mom and all these pictures, she's all like

839
00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:46,200
Speaker 1: snugged up with them. You know, it's really interesting because

840
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:49,080
Speaker 1: you typically want the best for your children. You want

841
00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:53,320
Speaker 1: them to meet mary date honorable people, those who would

842
00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:57,080
Speaker 1: you know, uh, rub shoulders with other honorable people. And

843
00:47:57,120 --> 00:48:01,319
Speaker 1: so to see her mom give this proverbial okay to

844
00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:04,080
Speaker 1: this relationship and to be all snugged and hugged up

845
00:48:04,120 --> 00:48:07,239
Speaker 1: with them, you know, it speaks to her values as well.

846
00:48:07,560 --> 00:48:10,840
Speaker 1: You know, yes, they're from a very wealthy family. They

847
00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:13,759
Speaker 1: have this amazing clothing line, but that doesn't mean that

848
00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:16,880
Speaker 1: you have good core values, good core family values, and

849
00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:19,040
Speaker 1: you don't know how people earn their money. Yes, they

850
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Speaker 1: may make this great clothing line, but there's always sometimes

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Speaker 1: backhanded things that people do. So I have a question.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's sort of the values the belief system

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Speaker 1: of this family that they're parading him around. He's covered

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00:48:31,680 --> 00:48:33,960
Speaker 1: in tattoos from head to toe, and that's okay. I

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00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:36,000
Speaker 1: have a tattoo. I don't have a problem with tattoos,

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00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:39,160
Speaker 1: but these are game tattoos a tear drop, so they

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Speaker 1: aren't getting pretty much an okay to this lifestyle. And

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Speaker 1: it's really a bad uh that thinks to communicate to

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Speaker 1: the world and to people that may be looking up

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Speaker 1: to you. Okay, Actually I'm okay with tattoos too. I

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Speaker 1: don't want one, and I don't want the children to

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Speaker 1: have one until they're old enough to make a decision

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Speaker 1: that it's something they want to live with forever and ever.

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Speaker 1: But I don't like about his too, is that the

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Speaker 1: gang symbols and I do not want to see that, Okay,

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00:49:03,480 --> 00:49:05,440
Speaker 1: don't want to see it. And also, I gotta tell

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Speaker 1: you something, some of the best witnesses I ever put

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Speaker 1: on the stand, and I believed them, and I counted

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Speaker 1: on them and relied on them, and we became actually

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Speaker 1: very very good friends, and our friends to this day

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Speaker 1: were convicted felons. I mean, you know, you don't go

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Speaker 1: to the country club to catch a dope dealer. Okay,

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Speaker 1: that's not who you're gonna That's not who your witnesses are,

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Speaker 1: but I found them many of them to be some

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Speaker 1: of the most reliable people I've ever met. People end

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Speaker 1: up in jail for a lot of different reasons, and

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Speaker 1: it really is true that you can be in the

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00:49:38,520 --> 00:49:40,960
Speaker 1: wrong place, at the wrong time, with the wrong people

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00:49:41,200 --> 00:49:42,920
Speaker 1: and you get thrown in the pot along with them.

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Speaker 1: That can happen. It's true. I know it's hard for

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Speaker 1: you to believe I'm saying it, but it can happen.

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Speaker 1: So this is not about him, really. My disdain is

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Speaker 1: not about him having a record. A lot of people

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Speaker 1: have a record. It's not about his tattoos said their

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Speaker 1: gang related It's about the fact that he was married

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Speaker 1: with children and dumped his beautiful but poor wife for

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Speaker 1: a younger model that happens to be an heiress to

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Speaker 1: a billion dollar fortune. Okay, I I keep hearing that

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Speaker 1: Alan Duke is chomping at the bit. Go ahead, Alan,

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Speaker 1: hit me. Well, there's a new one out there for

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Speaker 1: the US guys. I mean, you ladies have had the

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Speaker 1: hot felon. Now we've got mug shot. Bay Marella Potts

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Speaker 1: is the new hot female felon, twenty years old, arrested

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Speaker 1: recently in Fresno, California, after police stopped her car. She

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Speaker 1: had a loaded gun, a purple gun, had seven bullets

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Speaker 1: in the magazine, and she had her child with her.

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Speaker 1: She's charged with carrying a concealed firearm. Did you say

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Speaker 1: a purple gun? I think I saw a picture of it.

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Speaker 1: A purple gun she had. It's a stolen firearm. Not

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Speaker 1: many of those floating around. Yeah, and she they say

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Speaker 1: she's part of the Tiny Rascal gang. But look at

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Speaker 1: her picture, Nancy, see her tattoo she's got. If I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna be in the gang, and it's not going to

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Speaker 1: be the Tiny Rastle. If you're gonna fall in it's

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Speaker 1: gonna be like the Big Bag rot While or gang

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Speaker 1: something like that. If you've got to fall in love,

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Speaker 1: if a man's gonna fall in love with a woman

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Speaker 1: who's a gang member of the Tiny Rascal gang, is

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Speaker 1: probably good because you have children. She's got a rose

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Speaker 1: tattoo on her neck and across her chest. Love is pain,

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Speaker 1: Pain is pleasure. Now what guy doesn't want to hear that?

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Speaker 1: And with that, Nancy Grace Prime Stories signing off, Goodbye friend,