WEBVTT - A Firsthand Look at Socialism

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<v Speaker 1>A specter is haunting the United States, the specter of

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<v Speaker 1>Bernie's revolution. We are joined tonight not just by the Senator,

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<v Speaker 1>but by someone who fled another socialist revolution, one that

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<v Speaker 1>Bernie Sanders speaks very highly of. This is Verdict with

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<v Speaker 1>Ted Cruz. Welcome back to Verdict with Ted Cruz. We

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<v Speaker 1>are joined as ever by the Senator and also by

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<v Speaker 1>the senators. Tia sonja is. My Spanish is not very good,

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<v Speaker 1>but I think that was about right, Aunt, thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>This is in a few days going to be the

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<v Speaker 1>fifty eighth anniversary of your fleeing the communist regime in Cuba,

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<v Speaker 1>and yet we've got the leader of the Democratic Party

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<v Speaker 1>nomination process is praising the Fidel Castro regime. I think

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<v Speaker 1>we have the clip very opposed to the authoritarian nature

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<v Speaker 1>of Cuba. But you know, it's unfair to simple say

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<v Speaker 1>everything goes bad. You know, when Fidel Castro came into office,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what he did. He had a massive literacy program.

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<v Speaker 1>Is that a bad thing? Listen? Bernie has spent his

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<v Speaker 1>entire life, his entire career, praising communist dictators, but this

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<v Speaker 1>week his latest ode to Fidel Castro frankly just pissed

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<v Speaker 1>me off. It and this is this is not a joke.

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<v Speaker 1>This guy is the front runner for the Democratic nomination

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<v Speaker 1>to be president. And and and he sings the praises

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<v Speaker 1>of Castro and Cuban communism. My dad fled Cuban fifty seven.

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<v Speaker 1>Matthiasonia was still there. She was a kid, and so

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<v Speaker 1>she saw the Cuban revolution firsthand, and she ended up

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<v Speaker 1>fighting against Castro. So THEA if you would, I just

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<v Speaker 1>want you to, first of all, tell me what it

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<v Speaker 1>was like to be in Cuba when when the revolution happened,

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<v Speaker 1>when Castro took over, Actually he was, he was a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of people were happy because finally somebody was coming

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<v Speaker 1>in that was pretty seen. We're gonna give you a

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<v Speaker 1>chance to change a hope, We're going to change things around.

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<v Speaker 1>Everybody was going to have whatever they want to. The

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<v Speaker 1>poor will never be poor, the rich continued to have money,

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<v Speaker 1>and everybody will be the same. In reality, yes, everybody

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<v Speaker 1>went the same, but everybody was poor. Everybody went down.

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<v Speaker 1>Everybody got paid the same amount of money. There was

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<v Speaker 1>no difference between the poor and the rich. Everybody. It's

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<v Speaker 1>not everyone was. Everyone was poor and suffering and miserable.

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<v Speaker 1>And everybody was miserable. Everybody was miserable. What Bernie's saying

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<v Speaker 1>is a bunch of garbage. So you're there, you're you're

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<v Speaker 1>a teenager. Held were you? Probably he's sixteen fifteen? Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so you're seeing this. You're a teenage girl. Right, you

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<v Speaker 1>see what's happening. You see Castro begin executing people, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>persecuting people. Nobody could talk, nobody could say anything. They

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<v Speaker 1>actually trained the people to even be against the family,

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<v Speaker 1>the sons, against the father, the daughter seconds. So how

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<v Speaker 1>did he do that by indoctrinated in these people by

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<v Speaker 1>telling them, we're going to give you this and that

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<v Speaker 1>and the other, and it's all going to be free.

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<v Speaker 1>But you gotta tell us what's going on in your house?

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<v Speaker 1>Who talk against the government. So everything was persecuting one another,

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<v Speaker 1>especially the older people that actually we leave a good

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<v Speaker 1>life before in Cuba it was beautiful. What do people

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<v Speaker 1>face in terms of their friends and neighbors and families

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<v Speaker 1>spying on them. You have people in each blog, there

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<v Speaker 1>is somebody that is responsible to keep an eye on

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<v Speaker 1>you in your house. So there are an individual every

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<v Speaker 1>bye and every block. And they tell you you keep

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<v Speaker 1>an eye on every neighbor of this blog. So what

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<v Speaker 1>thing watch for? They're watching for everything if you bring

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<v Speaker 1>anything you maybe I'm going from United States to Cuba,

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<v Speaker 1>and they there's somebody coming in, so we need to

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<v Speaker 1>wash the house in case they go out and sell

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<v Speaker 1>in the black market or they do something with what

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<v Speaker 1>you brought in. So there somebody's always keeping an iron

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<v Speaker 1>you and try to report you a good A good

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<v Speaker 1>thing that happened to something that happened to me that

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<v Speaker 1>is very interesting. One of the trips that I went

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<v Speaker 1>back to Cuba, I wanted to take the kids, some

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<v Speaker 1>of the kids from there, to go fishing. I love fishing.

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<v Speaker 1>So I went in and try to rent a boat

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<v Speaker 1>and they told me we can't. We don't rambows to

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<v Speaker 1>Cuban people. And I said, you may leave. And I said, look,

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<v Speaker 1>I have a passport, I have a fly. Little Friday

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<v Speaker 1>already left, so I'm coming in to take my family

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<v Speaker 1>on a boat run. We can't give it to you.

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<v Speaker 1>We can't rent you a boat. You're you're Cuban. So

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<v Speaker 1>because she can't rent a boat because she's Cuban, even

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<v Speaker 1>though she's an American citizen. Now, yes, you're a Cuban.

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<v Speaker 1>So you can't do it. That there was a boat

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<v Speaker 1>in the river that my niece wanted to go in.

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<v Speaker 1>And when we get in, to ride the boat with

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<v Speaker 1>the rest of the people, and say, y'all cannot get in.

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<v Speaker 1>You'll like Cuban, And I said, but we're paying with

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<v Speaker 1>the same money that they're paying. Well, I'm sorry, you

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<v Speaker 1>can't come in. You're not from another country. You're a Cuban,

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<v Speaker 1>and Cuban people are not allowed. They're not allowed to

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<v Speaker 1>leave because they know if they were allowed to leave,

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<v Speaker 1>they'd all live. Sona. How quickly after, as you say,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, people liked Castro initially they he was promising

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<v Speaker 1>in the world. How quickly did it turn? I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>how quickly did it turn? Right away? Right away? He

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<v Speaker 1>immediately starts saying the policies that he wanted to do.

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<v Speaker 1>He was going to take tents away from the ridge.

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<v Speaker 1>He was going to take tents away from the people

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<v Speaker 1>to give to other He was to actually take money

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<v Speaker 1>from you and give it to the poors on the

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<v Speaker 1>other side. I make my money for what a half.

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<v Speaker 1>My father worked hard to be where he was. My

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<v Speaker 1>mother was the greatest school teacher. She was really was

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<v Speaker 1>proud of what she was doing. My mother itself was

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<v Speaker 1>told did she have to teach at the school a

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<v Speaker 1>different kind of curriculum. She was told she need to

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<v Speaker 1>teach about the revolution, cast through the regime, the things

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<v Speaker 1>that needed to happen. My mother have to actually pretend

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<v Speaker 1>that she was losing her mind and she was just

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<v Speaker 1>missing immediately. So let me underscore this story and listen.

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<v Speaker 1>I grew up hearing this story as a kid. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I would sit with my cousin Beebe, who's Sonia's daughter.

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<v Speaker 1>The two of us would sit literally on the floor

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<v Speaker 1>in the living room and listen to my dad and

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<v Speaker 1>Mythasonia tell us stories about the revolution, and my Abuela

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<v Speaker 1>and Abuela, their parents were there also. So my grandmother, Abuela,

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<v Speaker 1>she's a sixth grade teacher. Castro takes over and she's ordered,

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<v Speaker 1>you must teach Communism to the kids. You must indoctrinate,

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<v Speaker 1>you must brainwash the kids. And my grandmother said she

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't going to do it. And so it's funny, Mathiason,

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<v Speaker 1>you mentioned something just very mild, but my grandmother pretended

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<v Speaker 1>she was insane in the classroom. She began literally foaming

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<v Speaker 1>at the mouth and pretending she was insane. Why because

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<v Speaker 1>she couldn't quit in the communist dictatorship. See, she wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>allowed to quit, and she made the decision she would

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<v Speaker 1>rather have the stigma, have the shame of people thinking

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<v Speaker 1>she was a crazy person, right then be a part

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<v Speaker 1>of indoctrinating these kids. That is true, and it was

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<v Speaker 1>very painful because my mother was a great teutory was

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<v Speaker 1>loved by many people, but she had to play crazy

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<v Speaker 1>in order to get out of that s What I

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<v Speaker 1>want to know is how in Cuba the public opinion

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<v Speaker 1>changes very quickly. People see what a monster Castro is

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<v Speaker 1>and they start to hate his guts. How is it

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<v Speaker 1>that in the United States, now, so many years on,

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<v Speaker 1>fifty eight years on since you left, you have a

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<v Speaker 1>presidential candidate, You got a US senator who's still singing

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<v Speaker 1>the praises of this guy. What did he miss? He

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<v Speaker 1>had not been with the human people. He only if

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<v Speaker 1>you go there as a Cuban, you go and see somebody,

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<v Speaker 1>a relative, you're going to see the misery that they

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<v Speaker 1>leave in. They don't know what to put on the

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<v Speaker 1>table to serve their kids, They don't know how to

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<v Speaker 1>get They're gonna get the food that they're going to

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<v Speaker 1>eat tomorrow. If you're going as somebody from another country

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<v Speaker 1>or a sa tourist, you're taken to you are actually

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<v Speaker 1>become prisoner of the government. They take you where they

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<v Speaker 1>want you to go. They showed you the model school,

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<v Speaker 1>they showed you the best hospitals, they showed you the

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<v Speaker 1>best restaurants. In nineteen eighty nine, Sanders stated, after visiting Cuba,

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<v Speaker 1>quote I did not see a hungry child. I did

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<v Speaker 1>not see any homeless people. Bernie said the Cuban people

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<v Speaker 1>quote had an almost religious affection for Castra. That is

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<v Speaker 1>not true. He is lying, and he's lying to the

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<v Speaker 1>people of this country. He is playing on the mind

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<v Speaker 1>of the younger generation here. He was either himself complicit

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<v Speaker 1>in the lie, or he was naive enough or ideological

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<v Speaker 1>enough to let the Castro regime lie to him and say,

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<v Speaker 1>look at this, this paradise. They didn't take into what

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<v Speaker 1>the Cuban people were. Cuban people are starving to death.

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<v Speaker 1>Cuban people don't have any money to buy anything. So

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<v Speaker 1>let me take you back there, back to fifty nine,

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<v Speaker 1>back to sixty the revolution succeeded, you begin fighting against Castro.

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<v Speaker 1>What happened to you as a result. What happened when

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<v Speaker 1>you start? I was constantly persecuted. Our people was looking

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<v Speaker 1>for me everywhere. They want to take me to prison.

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<v Speaker 1>They picked me up several times. So you were pretty

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<v Speaker 1>clearly fighting against totally against Castro. Yes, yes, son, this

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<v Speaker 1>is after Castro has taken over, so he's to dictate. Yes.

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<v Speaker 1>So what like when they picked you up? What happened?

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<v Speaker 1>What does that mean? Well, they they put you in

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<v Speaker 1>a room and there was people sitting on the floor

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<v Speaker 1>and everybody's you know, that's where you were, with a

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<v Speaker 1>whole bunch of people in the floor, and they keep

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<v Speaker 1>it there for two or three days. My parents did

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<v Speaker 1>not know where I was. My mother did not know,

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<v Speaker 1>so she was going crazy trying to find me. My friends,

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<v Speaker 1>friends that I have could not even come and find

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<v Speaker 1>out with my parents where was I or what was

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<v Speaker 1>wrong with me. They were afraid because everybody was persecuted.

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<v Speaker 1>So it was very difficult to leave on the Castro regime.

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<v Speaker 1>When you left Cube, it was sixty two. You left, right,

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<v Speaker 1>You've been back a bunch of times, right? Yes? What if?

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<v Speaker 1>So when you come back you usually bring a duffel

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<v Speaker 1>bag with medicine, medicine, I drink, food, clothes, cheets, just

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<v Speaker 1>for relatives, friends, people that need so they can't get anything, nothing, nothing.

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<v Speaker 1>She leaves a suitcase, she leaves every body, but she

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<v Speaker 1>leaves her underwear and brawl everything because nobody has underwear there.

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<v Speaker 1>Because there's so much poverty. You'll wear like sweatpants, a

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<v Speaker 1>T shirt. That's one coming right. That is correct. A

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<v Speaker 1>lot of people don't understand what is the difference between socialism.

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<v Speaker 1>That is correct. Socialism is simply the economic system of communism.

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<v Speaker 1>Socialism is government ownership of the means of production or distribution.

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<v Speaker 1>Cuba in the nineteen fifties was the world's number one

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<v Speaker 1>producer of sugar. Yeah, it had problems. Look, Batista was

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<v Speaker 1>a corrupt dictator. He was a bastard. My father to

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<v Speaker 1>this day doesn't have his front teeth because Batista's police

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<v Speaker 1>kicked them in, his guards kick his army officers kicked

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<v Speaker 1>them in. But what about the universal healthcare? I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>we're told by a lot of people in the United States,

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of left wingers. They say Cuba has some

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<v Speaker 1>of the best healthcare in the world, and everybody's covered.

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<v Speaker 1>I can personally, I tell you that I went to

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<v Speaker 1>the doctor there because I have mosquito buys that he

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<v Speaker 1>got into effects infection, and they put a shot on

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<v Speaker 1>me in front of sixty other people that were there

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<v Speaker 1>waiting for to being seen by a doctor. There's no transportation,

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<v Speaker 1>there's no gas, so you can't move. Doctors come to

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<v Speaker 1>a house in a bicycle and they're hungry. They're hungry

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<v Speaker 1>when they get there. They come to the house to

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<v Speaker 1>see a matter of fact, I was in a house

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<v Speaker 1>visiting and they were trying to see the little girl.

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<v Speaker 1>He came in a bicycle and I bought some things

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<v Speaker 1>that there was somebody in the streets selling, and he said,

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<v Speaker 1>kind of have one. Probably the most visible sign that

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<v Speaker 1>Cuba hasn't changed or hasn't progressed is they have those

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<v Speaker 1>old cars, right yes. And you know, people like to

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<v Speaker 1>think that that's sort of quaint and cute that they

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<v Speaker 1>have cars from the nineteen fifties. The reason they had

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<v Speaker 1>cars from the nineteen fifties is they can't get anything else.

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<v Speaker 1>You know. The scary thing about all of this is

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<v Speaker 1>you've got the experience of it, fifty eight years of

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<v Speaker 1>experience since you left Cuba. There are various studies that

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<v Speaker 1>have come out that show that even the majority of

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<v Speaker 1>young Americans, millennials and gen z now embrace socialism and

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<v Speaker 1>prefer it to capitalism. Now, the bright side, I will say,

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<v Speaker 1>the silver lining, is that a much smaller percentage can

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<v Speaker 1>actually define socialism. So there would seem to be a

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<v Speaker 1>problem there. But beyond just ignorance, beyond just not knowing

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<v Speaker 1>what it is, what is drawing young Americans to this evil,

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<v Speaker 1>evil ideology is the work that they is given out

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<v Speaker 1>the change. They want to see something different, they want

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<v Speaker 1>to try something new. It doesn't work, guys, it does

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<v Speaker 1>not work. All of this ambition and given it, given

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<v Speaker 1>it to me, there's nothing given to you. You need

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<v Speaker 1>to work and try to achieve your dream by hard work,

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<v Speaker 1>but by doing what you want to get ahead. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I've noticed this with your colleague, Senator Sanders, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, he's been talking about this for fifty years

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<v Speaker 1>and no one listened. But now only you know, now

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<v Speaker 1>that he's in his mid seventies. It's it's catching on.

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<v Speaker 1>And I even think of this absent Bernie Sanders. Forget

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<v Speaker 1>about him for a second. It took a long time

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<v Speaker 1>people knew that communism socialism were terrible for so long,

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<v Speaker 1>and now they don't know that well, and too often

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<v Speaker 1>they're not taught in schools what happened. You know, how

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<v Speaker 1>many Bernie supporters know that the Soviet Union killed twenty

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<v Speaker 1>million people and China killed seventy seven million people. They

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<v Speaker 1>don't know that, and so when Bernie defends it, it

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<v Speaker 1>seems look and I have to admit, I remember in

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<v Speaker 1>college a guy who lived down the hall for me

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<v Speaker 1>had a poster on the wall of che Guvar, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and I went in. I said, hey, that that's really cool.

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<v Speaker 1>That's all you know. Che Guvar was a guerrilla fought

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<v Speaker 1>with Fidel Castro in Cuba, And I said, hey, that's

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<v Speaker 1>really cool, that's awesome. Have you thought of maybe putting

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<v Speaker 1>a poster of Hitler next year and maybe Stalin and Mao,

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<v Speaker 1>like if you're going to celebrate people that torture and murder.

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<v Speaker 1>Actually Chay was. He was low on the totem pot,

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<v Speaker 1>but you know, he was good looking, he had stubble

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<v Speaker 1>and he was you know it. These villains have been

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<v Speaker 1>glamorized and it's it's dangerous. You know. We've talked a

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<v Speaker 1>lot about the political and the economic side of things,

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<v Speaker 1>how the government takes all your stuff and then they

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<v Speaker 1>take power away from you. You're both religious. I notice, Sonia,

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<v Speaker 1>you have a cross that you're wearing. Obviously, Senator Cruz,

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<v Speaker 1>one of the big aspects of communisms, it's always been practiced,

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<v Speaker 1>is the atheism of it all. And I wonder if

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<v Speaker 1>there's a relation here that, as religiosity in America's declined,

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<v Speaker 1>as young people are raised more or less without a religion,

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<v Speaker 1>if maybe that's playing some role in why communism is

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<v Speaker 1>catching on. You know, one of the great men of

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<v Speaker 1>the twentieth century to defeat communism was the Pope was

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<v Speaker 1>John Paul the Second, Well and and Pope John Paul

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<v Speaker 1>the Second played a profound role of going going to

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<v Speaker 1>Poland and and and and and and promising that Poland

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<v Speaker 1>would be free and speaking up and it was truly

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<v Speaker 1>I think divine providence, providence, we want God and and

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<v Speaker 1>and Reagan and Margaret Thatcher all at the same time.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think those three people, more than any human

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<v Speaker 1>beings on earth, defeated the Soviet Union and won the

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<v Speaker 1>Cold War. Mind you, Bernie was rooting for the Soviet

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<v Speaker 1>Union during all the rights um it's hiding that, But

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<v Speaker 1>it's Bernie honeymooned in the Soviet Union, Michael. Where you

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<v Speaker 1>honeymooned in Hawaii, USA? Okay, that's where, like normal people,

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<v Speaker 1>you go to the beach, you go to how do

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<v Speaker 1>you know which? Same times? It was beautiful, We were

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<v Speaker 1>walking along the beach, we had fun. What kind of

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<v Speaker 1>crazy idealogue? Yeah, says sweetheart, I love you so much.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's do a honeymoon in the Soviet Union. You know

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<v Speaker 1>that club you play? He says, he's no friend of Putin.

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<v Speaker 1>There's only one person I know on the national stage

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<v Speaker 1>that your honeymood. And the Soviet Union. You know, the

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<v Speaker 1>Soviet Union killed over twenty million people. This is not cute,

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<v Speaker 1>little faculty leftist. If Bernie was a professor at some

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<v Speaker 1>liberal arts college out in the frozen tundra, who cares,

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<v Speaker 1>He's just corrupting a few young minds. This is someone

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<v Speaker 1>who wants to be president of the United States, and

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<v Speaker 1>he kisses up to and apologizes for totalitarian dictators and

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<v Speaker 1>you know who. He doesn't praise Americans, right, Like, when

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<v Speaker 1>have you ever heard him speak as positively about Abraham

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<v Speaker 1>Lincoln as he does about Castro and Ortega and Mao

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<v Speaker 1>and Stalinist and communism also hates God. Yeah. If you

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<v Speaker 1>look at these communist regimes, they persecute faith, They persecute,

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<v Speaker 1>they prevent people from the beauty of the First Amendment

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<v Speaker 1>is it gives everyone the right to choose how to worship,

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<v Speaker 1>what your faith will be. You know, Bernie when he

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<v Speaker 1>praised China in the debate this week, somehow, when Bernie

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<v Speaker 1>talked about it, it's great poverty eradication. You don't have

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<v Speaker 1>to go back to Mao to find the torture and murder.

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<v Speaker 1>Right now today there are one million weakers, yeah, a

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<v Speaker 1>religious and ethnic minority, one million in concentration camps in

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<v Speaker 1>China today. Why is burning and why are leftists so

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<v Speaker 1>willing to praise and be proud of regimes that are

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<v Speaker 1>torturing and murdering people. Do you think this is part

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<v Speaker 1>of why they make their appeal successfully though, Because the

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<v Speaker 1>thing I notice so much about the socialists in America

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<v Speaker 1>today is they're all making these very moral arguments. It's

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<v Speaker 1>about human rights. It's about giving people their right to

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<v Speaker 1>healthcare and their right to have a lot of money.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's a story my grandmother told me. In the schools

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<v Speaker 1>you would have of Cuban soldiers come in, and this

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<v Speaker 1>is kindergarten, first grade, and they'd tell the children. They'd say,

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<v Speaker 1>close your eyes and pray to Jesus for a piece

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<v Speaker 1>of candy. And the kids would all do it, and

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<v Speaker 1>they'd open their eyes and there'd be no candy. And

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<v Speaker 1>then the soldiers would say, close your eyes and pray

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<v Speaker 1>to Fidel Castro for a piece of candy. You're kidding me,

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<v Speaker 1>And the kids would close their eyes and the soldiers

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<v Speaker 1>would put candy on their desks, and they'd open their

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<v Speaker 1>eyes and there was candy. This is the literacy program,

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<v Speaker 1>Bernie Sanders. It is praising. This is this is the

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<v Speaker 1>indoctrination that Miabuela refused to participate in. And that is true.

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<v Speaker 1>They are actually inductrinating the people since they were tiny

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<v Speaker 1>little kids. Did it work? I mean, the course she

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't work. It does people? What don't they work? They

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<v Speaker 1>don't work. Nobody want to work in Cuba. What do

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<v Speaker 1>they want to work? They're gonna make the same money

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<v Speaker 1>that you're making that he's making. What do I want

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<v Speaker 1>to do that? But do they believe the theory? I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>does the indoctrination end up persuading purely. They thought that

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<v Speaker 1>it was going to be reality. They really blind them

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<v Speaker 1>to believe what they were saying. But they immediately took

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<v Speaker 1>the blind off. I'm saying, everybody's in the same boat.

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<v Speaker 1>We're all hungry. They know they're hungry, they know they're poor,

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<v Speaker 1>they know miserable, they know that has him. That's right.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, there's a reason people every day risk their

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<v Speaker 1>lives to fleet Cuba. That's correct. You know. You know

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<v Speaker 1>Reagan the height of the Cold War, he had a

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<v Speaker 1>great way of putting it. He said, the thing liberals

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<v Speaker 1>never seemed to notice is on the Berlin Wall, the

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<v Speaker 1>machine guns all point in one direction. That you didn't

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<v Speaker 1>get anyone from East Germany saying or from West Germany

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<v Speaker 1>saying I gotta go live in that communist paradise. Right.

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<v Speaker 1>The way I like to put it is a Cuban American.

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<v Speaker 1>Is the thing liberals ever notice is in Cuba, the

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<v Speaker 1>rafts are all going one way. Just once. I'd like

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<v Speaker 1>to see Bernie Sanders go hop on a raft in

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<v Speaker 1>Key West. Yeah. And by the way, he had a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of racialized medicine. They there. It's just you can't

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<v Speaker 1>get you can't actually see a doctor you can't get medicine.

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<v Speaker 1>You you can't get toilet paper. Yeah. Well, actually, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>tying in all of these points on the economic, on

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<v Speaker 1>the political, and on the religious, Communism has been called

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<v Speaker 1>the God that failed, right. It was a sort of

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<v Speaker 1>substitute religion, aus substitute god, and it failed, and you

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<v Speaker 1>saw it fail personally. What was the what was the

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<v Speaker 1>biggest shock, I mean, what was the biggest despair, the

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<v Speaker 1>biggest regret when when you saw something that you had

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<v Speaker 1>believed in fail. Well, the the biggest it was seeing

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<v Speaker 1>the people suffering for not being able to even get

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<v Speaker 1>food to put a They played so basic, the basic

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<v Speaker 1>thins that no, don't being able to work, because why

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<v Speaker 1>do you want to work when you don't have anything

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<v Speaker 1>to buy with? You know that money disappear from you immediately,

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<v Speaker 1>and you all know the numbers, but you know an

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<v Speaker 1>average person make thirty dollars a month, thirty dollars per

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<v Speaker 1>thirty dollars per month. Wow, so what are you going

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<v Speaker 1>to do with that? Right? So, people are being drinking water.

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<v Speaker 1>You see the kids they dink water with sugar to

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<v Speaker 1>get their stomach. Fool. It's it's that that basic need.

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<v Speaker 1>It's so interesting that you say that, because it's communism

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<v Speaker 1>starts at as this idealistic fantasy, very high falutin, very

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<v Speaker 1>high minded literacy programs, all that, and then the reality

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<v Speaker 1>of the failures, people can't even fill their stomach. That

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<v Speaker 1>is true, although you know there is one exception, which

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<v Speaker 1>is the Communist Party rulers look Fidel Castro lived like

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<v Speaker 1>a billionaire. By the way, Putin lives like a billionaire.

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<v Speaker 1>Maduro and Hugo Chabez before him, they live like billionaires. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>Communism when you have all the power at the top,

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<v Speaker 1>and and and what does Bernie suggest it would be

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<v Speaker 1>any different if the government is in charge of everything

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<v Speaker 1>every place that has happened, the rulers live like kings,

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<v Speaker 1>and everyone else's is miserable. Right. Well, we did actually

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<v Speaker 1>get one mail bad question that I think is very

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<v Speaker 1>much on this topic, which is with the Democratic Party

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<v Speaker 1>veering so far to the left of embracing these absolutely

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<v Speaker 1>disgusting positions, hopefully we'll turn off most of the American people.

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<v Speaker 1>Should conservatives be happy? Should conservatives be happy that the

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<v Speaker 1>God that failed is about to fail? The Democratic Party?

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<v Speaker 1>Not necessarily You're not as as complacent. I understand people saying, Okay, great,

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<v Speaker 1>Bernie's so extreme that means Trump will get reelected. I

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<v Speaker 1>hope Trump gets re elected. I'm working hard to reelect

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<v Speaker 1>the president. But listen, what is truly terrifying is I

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<v Speaker 1>think the American people could elect a wild eyed socialist. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>the media. We're a divided country. If one hundred thousand

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<v Speaker 1>votes had flipped in twenty sixteen, Hillary Clinton would be

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<v Speaker 1>the president right now. And Bernie, the media treats him

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<v Speaker 1>kind of like your crazy uncle. Oh, he's just the

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<v Speaker 1>crazy uncle. Hadn't that cute? He's praising, murdering, torturing communist dictators. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>this guy believes this stuff in his heart and soul.

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<v Speaker 1>He believes that his whole life has been dedicated to it.

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<v Speaker 1>And and and I got to admit, I am it's

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<v Speaker 1>all fine and good to celebrate unless he ends up when,

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<v Speaker 1>Oh God help the direction this country goes. If that happens, well,

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<v Speaker 1>because you already fled one communist hellhole. And this was

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<v Speaker 1>the great hope as America is the great to go.

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<v Speaker 1>Where do you go there after? The place to go? Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I hope you won't go anywhere you the listener, we've

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<v Speaker 1>already used up more than our time, and we've taken

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<v Speaker 1>up too much of your time, Tisania, But thank you

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<v Speaker 1>so much for being here, and we've got a lot

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<v Speaker 1>more coming up on the show anyway, so be sure

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