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Speaker 1: Welcome to Inside the Draft, a weekly preview of the

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Speaker 1: the Draft it back again with one week until the

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Speaker 1: first round of the twenty twenty two NFL Draft. I'm

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Speaker 1: Matt Taylor Casey Value this week as well, and we're

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Speaker 1: talking up the picks, breaking things down with Rick Sarah

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Speaker 1: Sports Illustrated. Rick. Love having you back on man during

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Speaker 1: draft season. What's going on, gentlemen? Good to be here,

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Speaker 1: favorite time of the year or approaching single digits leading

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Speaker 1: like asking guys like yourself, what does Rick, what does

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Speaker 1: draft weekend look like for you? How are you covering

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Speaker 1: the draft? And where can we find your work? Yeah? Well,

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Speaker 1: greatly appreciate that awesome absolutely all right. So the Colts,

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Speaker 1: They've meant a lot of big moves so far this offseason, Rick,

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Speaker 1: I mean, Matt Ryan's here unique and goat waste to

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Speaker 1: find Gilmore. Based on what they've done so far this offseason, Rick,

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Speaker 1: what's left for them in the draft in your opinion,

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Speaker 1: at least early on in the draft. Well, I gotta

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Speaker 1: So I think the culturing good position here alectile. They

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Speaker 1: got some draft equity back. They upgraded the most important

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Speaker 1: order for Matt Ryan and now to have success, they're

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Speaker 1: gonna need to surround him with some playmakers. And I

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Speaker 1: think it's a great year if you need a wide receiver.

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Speaker 1: That is arguably the deepest position in this year's draft

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Speaker 1: kind of the way that the Colts have operated in

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Speaker 1: the past. The Colts did at forty two, no first

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Speaker 1: an opportunity here in this draft of the deep wide

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Speaker 1: do believe. So. I think there's enough guys in this

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Speaker 1: can get great value in this year's draft. Now, the

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Speaker 1: hard part is you got to find a trade partner

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Speaker 1: end of the day, guys, there are teams looking to

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Speaker 1: would definitely explore the opportunity. And if I couldn't cry

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Speaker 1: a guy like Jordan Love, maybe I ruled the dice

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