1 00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:06,720 Speaker 1: And now move the sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. 2 00:00:07,120 --> 00:00:10,320 Speaker 2: What's up, everybody? Welcome to move the sticks, DJ, and 3 00:00:10,520 --> 00:00:13,000 Speaker 2: my good buddy ht lewis here today. Bucket is out 4 00:00:13,440 --> 00:00:16,479 Speaker 2: after a Jacksonville Monday night game, a game. We're going 5 00:00:16,560 --> 00:00:18,439 Speaker 2: to get into it here in just a second here, 6 00:00:18,640 --> 00:00:21,360 Speaker 2: rahtt But that was that was a tough one last night. 7 00:00:21,840 --> 00:00:24,239 Speaker 1: Well yeah, if you're a Jaguars fan, especially if you 8 00:00:24,239 --> 00:00:26,520 Speaker 1: were one of the ones swimming in that that pool 9 00:00:26,600 --> 00:00:30,040 Speaker 1: late night, it's that's a that's a tough, a tough 10 00:00:30,120 --> 00:00:32,800 Speaker 1: way to watch at ot loss and then to get 11 00:00:32,840 --> 00:00:35,519 Speaker 1: out all soggy. But yeah, look, I thought that was 12 00:00:35,560 --> 00:00:37,880 Speaker 1: a fun game. And I don't know that any of 13 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:42,479 Speaker 1: us necessarily expected Jake Browning to show up the way 14 00:00:42,520 --> 00:00:44,479 Speaker 1: he did. And we'll get into all the angles of it, 15 00:00:44,520 --> 00:00:47,120 Speaker 1: but man, I think I I've been more impressed with 16 00:00:47,800 --> 00:00:51,159 Speaker 1: certain backup quarterback performances this year than than maybe any 17 00:00:51,200 --> 00:00:53,320 Speaker 1: year I can remember. DJ. We've had some good ones. 18 00:00:54,040 --> 00:00:57,639 Speaker 2: Yeah, no doubt. It's it's the year of the backup quarterback. 19 00:00:57,680 --> 00:00:59,680 Speaker 2: And we can just jump into this thing right now. 20 00:00:59,720 --> 00:01:02,400 Speaker 2: So let's get into the Monday night football recap and 21 00:01:02,840 --> 00:01:05,520 Speaker 2: a game that was won shockingly. I would use that 22 00:01:05,600 --> 00:01:08,920 Speaker 2: word not loosely by the Cincinnati Bengals, a road team, 23 00:01:08,959 --> 00:01:11,560 Speaker 2: No Joe Burrow. We'll get into the injury to Trevor 24 00:01:11,600 --> 00:01:13,760 Speaker 2: Lawrence in a little bit, but Jake Brown can see 25 00:01:13,760 --> 00:01:15,240 Speaker 2: the numbers there, three out and fifty four yards and 26 00:01:15,319 --> 00:01:18,759 Speaker 2: a touchdown, first career win. I was curious to watch 27 00:01:18,800 --> 00:01:20,560 Speaker 2: the tape to see what it looked like, and it 28 00:01:20,640 --> 00:01:22,600 Speaker 2: was about what I thought it would look like. It 29 00:01:22,680 --> 00:01:26,320 Speaker 2: was a masterful job designing a game plan around a 30 00:01:26,440 --> 00:01:29,720 Speaker 2: quarterbacks said, and so many times in scouting, you'll be 31 00:01:29,720 --> 00:01:32,200 Speaker 2: in the draft room Rett and it's you know, guys 32 00:01:32,240 --> 00:01:33,720 Speaker 2: would be going, oh, he can't do this, he can't 33 00:01:33,760 --> 00:01:35,880 Speaker 2: do that, and then the voice of reason will go, yeah, 34 00:01:35,920 --> 00:01:38,320 Speaker 2: what can he do? Okay, let's not worry about what 35 00:01:38,360 --> 00:01:41,520 Speaker 2: he can't do. Jake Brown does not have a huge arm. Okay, 36 00:01:41,560 --> 00:01:44,600 Speaker 2: he's not a big physical guy. But what he can 37 00:01:44,640 --> 00:01:47,400 Speaker 2: do is he can throw a timing and touch anticipation. 38 00:01:48,480 --> 00:01:50,680 Speaker 2: If you're going to get some you know, one on ones, 39 00:01:50,680 --> 00:01:52,280 Speaker 2: if you're gonna play zone, he's gonna be able to 40 00:01:52,320 --> 00:01:54,160 Speaker 2: dink and dunk and kind of pick you apart, which 41 00:01:54,160 --> 00:01:57,240 Speaker 2: he did early in this game, quick out swings, quick hitters, hitches, 42 00:01:58,160 --> 00:02:00,880 Speaker 2: and then you play a little man coverage. I'm gonna 43 00:02:00,920 --> 00:02:02,800 Speaker 2: lay one right up over the top to my to 44 00:02:02,880 --> 00:02:04,920 Speaker 2: my number one receiver and Jamar Chase and let him 45 00:02:04,960 --> 00:02:07,480 Speaker 2: go get a big play. So I thought it was 46 00:02:07,520 --> 00:02:10,400 Speaker 2: a really nice job of building the game plan around him. 47 00:02:10,440 --> 00:02:12,520 Speaker 2: I think teams will adjust to them now that they've 48 00:02:12,520 --> 00:02:15,280 Speaker 2: seen how they play with him. But when you have 49 00:02:15,400 --> 00:02:18,280 Speaker 2: receivers like they have, I think they're I think they're 50 00:02:18,320 --> 00:02:19,920 Speaker 2: still going to be able to generate offense. 51 00:02:20,960 --> 00:02:23,919 Speaker 1: Yeah, and look, I think the game plan can probably 52 00:02:23,960 --> 00:02:26,840 Speaker 1: best be described by looking at the average depth of 53 00:02:26,880 --> 00:02:29,520 Speaker 1: target with both these teams. Obviously the Trevor Lawrence you 54 00:02:29,560 --> 00:02:32,120 Speaker 1: were pushing the ball, you know, eleven yards average on 55 00:02:32,200 --> 00:02:35,440 Speaker 1: depth of target, whereas Jake Browning and the Bengals, look, 56 00:02:35,480 --> 00:02:37,240 Speaker 1: you were you were much lower. Right, you were at 57 00:02:37,240 --> 00:02:40,120 Speaker 1: three and a half yards of target. So they were 58 00:02:40,120 --> 00:02:42,440 Speaker 1: trying to keep him comfortable, keep him within his comfort zone, 59 00:02:42,440 --> 00:02:45,720 Speaker 1: which is just great coaching, and it's also great discipline 60 00:02:45,760 --> 00:02:49,160 Speaker 1: and efficiency from a player kind of understanding what's being 61 00:02:49,200 --> 00:02:52,040 Speaker 1: expected of him and where he can find success too. 62 00:02:53,040 --> 00:02:55,000 Speaker 1: And look, he did push it down down the field 63 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:56,560 Speaker 1: when he had to, as you mentioned with the Jamar 64 00:02:56,639 --> 00:03:01,080 Speaker 1: Chase touchdown, which was fantastic and they were wearing it out. Now, 65 00:03:01,080 --> 00:03:03,720 Speaker 1: the other part of it that I thought was interesting 66 00:03:03,840 --> 00:03:06,400 Speaker 1: was this was maybe one of the more successful Bengals 67 00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:09,680 Speaker 1: rushing attacks that we saw this year. And you know, 68 00:03:09,760 --> 00:03:12,320 Speaker 1: while Joe Mixon, you know, was definitely a big piece 69 00:03:12,320 --> 00:03:14,480 Speaker 1: of it, I don't know why it's taken this long 70 00:03:14,680 --> 00:03:17,080 Speaker 1: to give Chase Brown some carries. And I know I 71 00:03:17,120 --> 00:03:19,840 Speaker 1: was beating that drum all draft process long, you know, 72 00:03:19,880 --> 00:03:21,880 Speaker 1: watching him rush for sixteen hundred yards in the Big 73 00:03:21,880 --> 00:03:24,680 Speaker 1: Ten of Illinois last year. That dude's got vision and burst. 74 00:03:24,720 --> 00:03:27,119 Speaker 1: And while he may not have some of the elite 75 00:03:27,160 --> 00:03:29,120 Speaker 1: traits of some of the other running backs that were 76 00:03:29,120 --> 00:03:30,760 Speaker 1: coming out in the draft last year, I was shocked 77 00:03:30,760 --> 00:03:32,560 Speaker 1: that he went as low as he did into the 78 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:34,320 Speaker 1: fifth round. I just think he's got a real knack 79 00:03:34,440 --> 00:03:37,600 Speaker 1: for it, and I think giving him some carries, you know, 80 00:03:37,720 --> 00:03:39,600 Speaker 1: nine to ten carries a game is going to be 81 00:03:39,640 --> 00:03:42,520 Speaker 1: a big deal for the Bengals moving forward, especially you 82 00:03:42,560 --> 00:03:44,080 Speaker 1: know with Joe Burrow out now for the rest of 83 00:03:44,080 --> 00:03:44,520 Speaker 1: the season. 84 00:03:45,520 --> 00:03:47,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, I have to believe that maybe it was just 85 00:03:47,400 --> 00:03:51,400 Speaker 2: concerns and passcro of why he wasn't getting run. Usually 86 00:03:51,400 --> 00:03:53,040 Speaker 2: that with a young running back that they're not getting 87 00:03:53,040 --> 00:03:54,760 Speaker 2: out of the field. That tends to be what it is. 88 00:03:54,800 --> 00:03:56,720 Speaker 2: But it's another reminder this year if you look at 89 00:03:56,720 --> 00:03:58,960 Speaker 2: some of the veteran running backs who have struggled, and 90 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:01,440 Speaker 2: you look at some of these legs getting opportunities and 91 00:04:01,440 --> 00:04:04,680 Speaker 2: making things happen, another reminder of the young man's position. 92 00:04:04,880 --> 00:04:06,520 Speaker 2: So get him up and run and get him out 93 00:04:06,560 --> 00:04:10,320 Speaker 2: there and get those fresh legs going. So Cincinnati Bengals 94 00:04:10,880 --> 00:04:12,360 Speaker 2: do that and get it going. By the way, if 95 00:04:12,360 --> 00:04:14,280 Speaker 2: you're watching this right now wondering what the heck is 96 00:04:14,280 --> 00:04:16,240 Speaker 2: going on, I am. I am in New York. I'm 97 00:04:16,240 --> 00:04:18,440 Speaker 2: in a hotel room with maybe one of the one 98 00:04:18,440 --> 00:04:20,360 Speaker 2: of the most beautiful pieces of art that I've ever 99 00:04:20,960 --> 00:04:22,800 Speaker 2: run off Rett, And like. 100 00:04:22,760 --> 00:04:26,040 Speaker 1: All of art, like all of our you know, loyal 101 00:04:26,440 --> 00:04:31,040 Speaker 1: move the sticks, you know, viewers, listeners, it makes us 102 00:04:31,080 --> 00:04:33,880 Speaker 1: all along for the days of the gears back behind 103 00:04:33,880 --> 00:04:37,159 Speaker 1: your home office set was it really does. Like the circles, 104 00:04:37,160 --> 00:04:39,680 Speaker 1: It just it feels it kind of feels comfortable. It 105 00:04:39,680 --> 00:04:42,479 Speaker 1: feels like home again. So I appreciate you bringing that 106 00:04:42,520 --> 00:04:43,360 Speaker 1: back for us. 107 00:04:44,040 --> 00:04:46,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, this will probably date me as someone who's a 108 00:04:46,480 --> 00:04:49,479 Speaker 2: little older than you, but who had sisters. Light Bright 109 00:04:49,880 --> 00:04:51,440 Speaker 2: used to be a toy called light Bright that you 110 00:04:51,440 --> 00:04:53,680 Speaker 2: could play with that would light up behind you. That's 111 00:04:53,760 --> 00:04:54,479 Speaker 2: kind of what we've. 112 00:04:54,279 --> 00:04:56,280 Speaker 1: Got going on with the background. 113 00:04:57,600 --> 00:04:59,520 Speaker 2: It is nice and nice feels. 114 00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:02,440 Speaker 1: Nice feel, I mean, and speaking of lightning lighting things up, 115 00:05:02,440 --> 00:05:05,800 Speaker 1: I mean, this game provided some serious fireworks, right, I 116 00:05:05,800 --> 00:05:08,640 Speaker 1: mean it was it was back and forth tie ball 117 00:05:08,680 --> 00:05:10,599 Speaker 1: game left and right. I mean had I think like 118 00:05:10,800 --> 00:05:13,600 Speaker 1: six it was either like three or four lead changes. 119 00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:16,359 Speaker 1: There were five ties at one point. Then they go 120 00:05:16,400 --> 00:05:19,280 Speaker 1: to ot Jaguars start putting together a terrific guard. By 121 00:05:19,279 --> 00:05:21,560 Speaker 1: the way, credit to C. J. Bethard for coming in 122 00:05:21,560 --> 00:05:24,279 Speaker 1: in a real tough spot. Felt like with Trevor Lawrence 123 00:05:24,320 --> 00:05:26,960 Speaker 1: and all the air just getting sucked right out of 124 00:05:26,960 --> 00:05:29,919 Speaker 1: that stadium when he goes down and he's you know, 125 00:05:30,040 --> 00:05:32,560 Speaker 1: obviously in pain, he's helped getting off, getting helped through 126 00:05:32,560 --> 00:05:35,479 Speaker 1: the tunnel, you know, just had that ankle kind of 127 00:05:35,480 --> 00:05:39,200 Speaker 1: stepped on by Walker little as Trey Hendrickson was rushing 128 00:05:39,200 --> 00:05:41,719 Speaker 1: and then gets kind of wrapped up and falls up 129 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:44,920 Speaker 1: underneath with his knee caught up. But sounds like the knees. Okay, 130 00:05:45,120 --> 00:05:47,320 Speaker 1: just the ankle and maybe not as as serious as 131 00:05:47,320 --> 00:05:49,719 Speaker 1: it looked initially, which is obviously going to be great news. 132 00:05:50,080 --> 00:05:52,520 Speaker 1: But again, credit to CJ. Bethard for coming in there, 133 00:05:52,640 --> 00:05:55,560 Speaker 1: I mean, and he was really efficient. I thought, I 134 00:05:55,560 --> 00:05:58,240 Speaker 1: thought they had some real juice going on that on 135 00:05:58,240 --> 00:06:00,640 Speaker 1: that first drive of overtime and then they end up 136 00:06:00,680 --> 00:06:02,520 Speaker 1: getting backed up quite a bit and having a punter 137 00:06:02,560 --> 00:06:05,039 Speaker 1: it away. But I thought both those guys, you know, 138 00:06:05,080 --> 00:06:07,680 Speaker 1: Bethard and Browning did some pretty good things in this 139 00:06:07,720 --> 00:06:09,760 Speaker 1: one obviously well and. 140 00:06:10,720 --> 00:06:13,279 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no doubt. And like you said, hopefully it's 141 00:06:13,360 --> 00:06:15,880 Speaker 2: just it's an ankle and maybe a high ankle sprain. 142 00:06:15,960 --> 00:06:17,600 Speaker 2: Will see how long he's going to be down. One 143 00:06:17,600 --> 00:06:19,480 Speaker 2: of the cool things you see Trey Hendrickson there look 144 00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:22,720 Speaker 2: like he was praying for him as he went down there. 145 00:06:23,240 --> 00:06:24,800 Speaker 2: That shows you kind of a good dude he is. 146 00:06:24,839 --> 00:06:27,320 Speaker 2: But the uh, you know, the Jacksonville Jaguars are going 147 00:06:27,400 --> 00:06:30,040 Speaker 2: to be in a position that so many other teams 148 00:06:30,040 --> 00:06:32,560 Speaker 2: are in, including the team that they played against last night, right, 149 00:06:32,560 --> 00:06:34,800 Speaker 2: and that is relying on a backup quarterback, which goes 150 00:06:34,880 --> 00:06:37,960 Speaker 2: back to you know, the team building philosophy of what 151 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:40,520 Speaker 2: you want in your backup. Do you want a veteran 152 00:06:40,560 --> 00:06:44,280 Speaker 2: who's got experience, who may be a little bit limited physically, 153 00:06:44,400 --> 00:06:45,880 Speaker 2: or do you want to try and draft a young 154 00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:48,479 Speaker 2: guy in the middle rounds and and kind of bet 155 00:06:48,520 --> 00:06:51,800 Speaker 2: on the upside maybe there's an opportunity to to spin 156 00:06:51,920 --> 00:06:53,839 Speaker 2: him off, or he could take over for your existing 157 00:06:53,880 --> 00:06:57,360 Speaker 2: starter with starter trade starter tools. I just know, man, 158 00:06:57,520 --> 00:07:01,080 Speaker 2: I think you're going to see the impact of this 159 00:07:01,200 --> 00:07:06,600 Speaker 2: year and this upcoming offseason of teams really investing in 160 00:07:06,680 --> 00:07:09,480 Speaker 2: that position, and because you are allowed to carry a 161 00:07:09,520 --> 00:07:13,000 Speaker 2: third now with the rule change and not cons me 162 00:07:13,040 --> 00:07:16,160 Speaker 2: a roster spot there on game day, I think you're 163 00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:18,080 Speaker 2: going to see teams are going to have three. They're 164 00:07:18,120 --> 00:07:19,680 Speaker 2: going to have three, They're going to have a veteran, 165 00:07:19,720 --> 00:07:21,960 Speaker 2: and they're going to have that box checked of hey, 166 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:23,680 Speaker 2: if our guy has to miss a chunk of time, 167 00:07:23,800 --> 00:07:26,280 Speaker 2: this guy keeps us competitive. And then they're going to 168 00:07:26,320 --> 00:07:27,960 Speaker 2: have maybe a young guy that you're working, you know, 169 00:07:28,040 --> 00:07:30,920 Speaker 2: long term with the developed but the days of rolling 170 00:07:30,920 --> 00:07:33,119 Speaker 2: with two guys and rolling the dice and then taking 171 00:07:33,160 --> 00:07:35,800 Speaker 2: all your resources out of the backup quarterback position and 172 00:07:35,800 --> 00:07:37,440 Speaker 2: spreading them around the rest of your team. I think 173 00:07:37,480 --> 00:07:38,440 Speaker 2: this year is going to end that. 174 00:07:39,920 --> 00:07:42,280 Speaker 1: And you know what, I think you'll also see and 175 00:07:42,320 --> 00:07:44,360 Speaker 1: we started to see it this last year, but that 176 00:07:44,400 --> 00:07:46,200 Speaker 1: third guy is going to be a dude with a 177 00:07:46,200 --> 00:07:49,960 Speaker 1: ton of experience in college football. And we've seen that 178 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:53,200 Speaker 1: payoff in a big way over the course of this season, 179 00:07:53,800 --> 00:07:56,280 Speaker 1: you know, with you know, guys like Dory Thompson, Robinson, 180 00:07:56,360 --> 00:07:58,000 Speaker 1: you know who had a ton of starts at UCLA. 181 00:07:58,000 --> 00:08:00,160 Speaker 1: I'm just going back and looking. I mean, Jake Brown 182 00:08:00,320 --> 00:08:03,800 Speaker 1: started for forty years at Washington. Yeah, and that was 183 00:08:03,840 --> 00:08:06,480 Speaker 1: even before the COVID situation, right, and I think we 184 00:08:06,560 --> 00:08:08,760 Speaker 1: had them in the NFLPA Collegiate bull Back in twenty 185 00:08:08,800 --> 00:08:12,240 Speaker 1: nineteen bounced around quite a bit. But again, you understand, 186 00:08:12,280 --> 00:08:15,000 Speaker 1: like these guys have seen a lot of football, right, 187 00:08:15,040 --> 00:08:17,480 Speaker 1: They're not just tradesy guys you know who have started 188 00:08:17,480 --> 00:08:19,640 Speaker 1: for twelve or thirteen games in college and now they're 189 00:08:19,640 --> 00:08:22,160 Speaker 1: going like, no, look, there's a place for that. But 190 00:08:22,240 --> 00:08:24,560 Speaker 1: I think when you want a guy that you can 191 00:08:24,960 --> 00:08:27,800 Speaker 1: have on your roster and count on, you know, as 192 00:08:27,800 --> 00:08:30,080 Speaker 1: a second or third, you're gonna want that guy who's 193 00:08:30,080 --> 00:08:32,079 Speaker 1: seen a lot of football and experienced a lot brock 194 00:08:32,160 --> 00:08:35,000 Speaker 1: Perty again another example of that, and we keep kind 195 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:37,320 Speaker 1: of coming back to it. Those guys with experience and 196 00:08:37,360 --> 00:08:39,760 Speaker 1: starts really do matter in this league. 197 00:08:39,920 --> 00:08:43,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, And because with Trope, with the practice limits, you're 198 00:08:43,240 --> 00:08:46,080 Speaker 2: not going to get reps and experience set when you're 199 00:08:46,280 --> 00:08:48,360 Speaker 2: sitting on the sideline. So you have to have a 200 00:08:48,440 --> 00:08:51,000 Speaker 2: catalog of reps and experience, which these guys do that 201 00:08:51,080 --> 00:08:53,600 Speaker 2: have started forty and as we are experiencing with the 202 00:08:53,640 --> 00:08:55,880 Speaker 2: COVID year for a lot of these guys. Now as 203 00:08:55,880 --> 00:08:58,640 Speaker 2: you're talking about fifty plus starts for a lot of 204 00:08:58,640 --> 00:09:00,319 Speaker 2: these quarterbacks. Something and keep an eye and as we 205 00:09:00,360 --> 00:09:04,280 Speaker 2: get to the middle portion of the upcoming draft, our 206 00:09:04,400 --> 00:09:09,480 Speaker 2: NFL Network Week fifteen tripleheader on December sixteenth is set. First, 207 00:09:09,760 --> 00:09:12,080 Speaker 2: we've got the Vikings heading to Cincinnati to take on 208 00:09:12,120 --> 00:09:15,160 Speaker 2: the Bengals and the Steelers and the Colts. They'll fight 209 00:09:15,240 --> 00:09:18,600 Speaker 2: for the spot in the AFC Wildcard picture. That's going 210 00:09:18,679 --> 00:09:20,680 Speaker 2: to kick off at four thirty, and then in primetime, 211 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:23,559 Speaker 2: the Broncos head to Detroit to take on the Lions. 212 00:09:23,600 --> 00:09:29,280 Speaker 2: All three games exclusively available on NFL Network and NFL Plus. 213 00:09:30,200 --> 00:09:33,480 Speaker 2: All right, we're looking at the Indianapolis Colts right, This 214 00:09:33,520 --> 00:09:36,120 Speaker 2: is a defense, This is a front that digging in 215 00:09:36,160 --> 00:09:39,120 Speaker 2: and studying them has been fun. You see the numbers 216 00:09:39,120 --> 00:09:42,480 Speaker 2: here since November. I mean, they're at the top of 217 00:09:42,480 --> 00:09:44,439 Speaker 2: the league and they won four in a row. They've 218 00:09:44,440 --> 00:09:46,520 Speaker 2: got to lead the league in sacks pressure percentage. The 219 00:09:46,720 --> 00:09:51,080 Speaker 2: third are thirty first in blitz percentage. So that showed 220 00:09:51,120 --> 00:09:53,360 Speaker 2: itself when you watch the tape on them. It is 221 00:09:53,400 --> 00:09:57,600 Speaker 2: a front four that absolutely gets after it with guys 222 00:09:57,640 --> 00:10:01,280 Speaker 2: with the varying skill sets and sizes and mentions. But man, 223 00:10:01,320 --> 00:10:04,920 Speaker 2: they all play with their hair on fire man and it. 224 00:10:04,880 --> 00:10:06,720 Speaker 1: Is a lot of fun to watch and even you know, 225 00:10:06,920 --> 00:10:09,960 Speaker 1: it's probably part of the reason why, you know, Shaquille 226 00:10:10,040 --> 00:10:12,960 Speaker 1: Leonard was kind of viewed as, look, we've got other 227 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:14,960 Speaker 1: guys that are playing really well right now, and while 228 00:10:15,080 --> 00:10:17,240 Speaker 1: you know, he hasn't been the same player since he 229 00:10:17,280 --> 00:10:19,560 Speaker 1: came back from the back injury. Maybe he regains that 230 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:23,559 Speaker 1: in Philadelphia now, but it felt like it was anexpendable 231 00:10:23,600 --> 00:10:26,199 Speaker 1: piece there because you got guys like Samson, eb you 232 00:10:26,280 --> 00:10:30,000 Speaker 1: Camus guy sacks right now, he has been fantastic to 233 00:10:30,080 --> 00:10:32,599 Speaker 1: Forrest Buckner is as steady as they come. You know, 234 00:10:32,640 --> 00:10:35,600 Speaker 1: another five and a half sacks there, Deo Adangbo six 235 00:10:35,640 --> 00:10:37,360 Speaker 1: and a half sacks. I mean, like they are getting 236 00:10:37,360 --> 00:10:41,360 Speaker 1: contributions all over the place from those players. Quinny pay 237 00:10:41,440 --> 00:10:44,360 Speaker 1: is playing like a first round edge rusher right now too, 238 00:10:45,280 --> 00:10:49,000 Speaker 1: and then Zayer Franklin has been fantastic in the run game, 239 00:10:49,120 --> 00:10:52,480 Speaker 1: kind of holding down that that second level. You know 240 00:10:52,520 --> 00:10:54,800 Speaker 1: that we associated with Shaq Leonard for so many years, 241 00:10:54,840 --> 00:10:57,199 Speaker 1: So like they've just got dudes out there. Kenny Moore 242 00:10:57,720 --> 00:11:00,319 Speaker 1: is playing some really good football, had a couple of 243 00:11:00,360 --> 00:11:02,560 Speaker 1: pick sixes as you saw in that Carolina game. Like 244 00:11:02,880 --> 00:11:07,360 Speaker 1: they're getting contributions from guys who I think that you 245 00:11:07,400 --> 00:11:10,040 Speaker 1: know they were counting on to being big contributors, and 246 00:11:10,080 --> 00:11:12,920 Speaker 1: then others that have maybe stepped up and contributed even 247 00:11:12,920 --> 00:11:15,920 Speaker 1: more in an exceeded expectation, which is always the sign 248 00:11:16,120 --> 00:11:17,280 Speaker 1: of a good unit front to back. 249 00:11:17,840 --> 00:11:20,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a fun group to study. I mean there's 250 00:11:20,440 --> 00:11:23,079 Speaker 2: defensive lines that the tape is just you kind of 251 00:11:23,160 --> 00:11:24,960 Speaker 2: kick your feet up. And we saw two of them 252 00:11:24,960 --> 00:11:27,280 Speaker 2: play last week with San Francisco and Philadelphia that those 253 00:11:27,320 --> 00:11:30,840 Speaker 2: attacking front. This is another one, and it's it's a 254 00:11:30,840 --> 00:11:33,360 Speaker 2: team that's built for their stadium, playing indoors. Think about 255 00:11:33,360 --> 00:11:36,160 Speaker 2: the old Colts defenses when they were rolling with Peyton Manning, 256 00:11:36,200 --> 00:11:38,559 Speaker 2: you had Freeny and matthis rolling off the edge speed 257 00:11:38,559 --> 00:11:42,760 Speaker 2: speed speed, well, Ebucam, he is a missile coming off 258 00:11:42,760 --> 00:11:45,120 Speaker 2: the edge. He can convert speed, the power, the effort 259 00:11:45,320 --> 00:11:48,920 Speaker 2: is outstanding. He explodes off the snap each and every 260 00:11:48,920 --> 00:11:51,920 Speaker 2: time when you watch him, Quity Pay not only has 261 00:11:51,920 --> 00:11:54,000 Speaker 2: some of that quickness, but man, he gives you real power. 262 00:11:54,080 --> 00:11:55,920 Speaker 2: You'll see, you know, kind of that little shake bowl 263 00:11:55,960 --> 00:11:58,600 Speaker 2: move that he has, that's kind of his patented moved. 264 00:11:59,160 --> 00:12:02,480 Speaker 2: You go back through and studied Buckner, Buckner might be 265 00:12:03,160 --> 00:12:06,200 Speaker 2: he might be kind of the most underappreciated superstar in 266 00:12:06,240 --> 00:12:08,880 Speaker 2: the league. Like he's not. There's there's good players, there's 267 00:12:08,960 --> 00:12:12,800 Speaker 2: great players, and then there's elite, that elite tier. He's 268 00:12:12,880 --> 00:12:14,880 Speaker 2: up there. And if you're a defensive tackle, if you're 269 00:12:14,920 --> 00:12:17,160 Speaker 2: a high school college defensive tackle, and you want to 270 00:12:17,200 --> 00:12:20,640 Speaker 2: study somebody who uses their hands, nobody does it better 271 00:12:20,679 --> 00:12:22,640 Speaker 2: than he does. You know, with his ability to pop 272 00:12:22,679 --> 00:12:25,600 Speaker 2: and separate, his ability to swim blocks. He is a 273 00:12:25,640 --> 00:12:28,840 Speaker 2: technician who also just happens to be a giant. By 274 00:12:28,840 --> 00:12:30,240 Speaker 2: the way, right before we go through the rest of 275 00:12:30,240 --> 00:12:33,000 Speaker 2: these guys, that I was going through here, Can we 276 00:12:33,040 --> 00:12:35,640 Speaker 2: take a second and just remember that Buckner was on 277 00:12:35,679 --> 00:12:38,360 Speaker 2: that Niner team. If somehow they had been able, if 278 00:12:38,400 --> 00:12:40,439 Speaker 2: they would have been able to see the future right 279 00:12:40,559 --> 00:12:41,920 Speaker 2: and known that they were going to be able to 280 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:44,400 Speaker 2: hit on a seventh round quarterback that was going to 281 00:12:44,480 --> 00:12:46,559 Speaker 2: free up all this money that allow them to do 282 00:12:46,559 --> 00:12:49,040 Speaker 2: different things, they could have kept on Buckner. Is that 283 00:12:49,080 --> 00:12:54,280 Speaker 2: crazy thing that you're saying that after after his replacement 284 00:12:54,280 --> 00:12:56,439 Speaker 2: had the best game of his career last week, it 285 00:12:56,480 --> 00:12:59,280 Speaker 2: was finally finally got finally got a good game for 286 00:12:59,320 --> 00:12:59,960 Speaker 2: his replacement. 287 00:13:00,559 --> 00:13:05,320 Speaker 1: And on the forest, like I think for most interior 288 00:13:05,360 --> 00:13:08,840 Speaker 1: defensive players, we're seeing them play what thirty to thirty 289 00:13:08,840 --> 00:13:12,160 Speaker 1: five snaps usually a game. This guy plays sixty five 290 00:13:12,240 --> 00:13:15,720 Speaker 1: snaps a game. But that's that's incredible in the interior 291 00:13:15,760 --> 00:13:18,679 Speaker 1: to provide that kind of that, you know, to make 292 00:13:18,720 --> 00:13:21,559 Speaker 1: that kind of impact that consistently from start to finish. 293 00:13:21,600 --> 00:13:24,040 Speaker 1: And then Grover stored up there as well, kind of 294 00:13:24,040 --> 00:13:26,240 Speaker 1: providing some of the bulk on the interior. 295 00:13:27,320 --> 00:13:31,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, O d Ambos is a fun study because someone 296 00:13:31,360 --> 00:13:33,160 Speaker 2: who if he doesn't get hurt in the in the 297 00:13:33,320 --> 00:13:36,160 Speaker 2: you know, going into that draft process. Yeah, probably is 298 00:13:36,200 --> 00:13:38,280 Speaker 2: a top fifteen pick. I mean he was trending in 299 00:13:38,400 --> 00:13:42,840 Speaker 2: that direction in a freak like, freakish length, and now 300 00:13:42,920 --> 00:13:45,480 Speaker 2: you're seeing it really come together. And again having the 301 00:13:45,800 --> 00:13:48,440 Speaker 2: chance to sit there and play alongside the forest Bucknor 302 00:13:48,440 --> 00:13:50,520 Speaker 2: who can work with him and teach him. I think 303 00:13:50,559 --> 00:13:52,840 Speaker 2: it's been incredibly valuable. I mean there's guys that are 304 00:13:52,960 --> 00:13:54,880 Speaker 2: long and then you watch him on tape and you're 305 00:13:54,920 --> 00:13:58,600 Speaker 2: like that that is not normal, Like he is freakasally long, 306 00:13:59,280 --> 00:14:03,480 Speaker 2: and he is an explosive Taekwon Lewis plays with big effort. 307 00:14:04,000 --> 00:14:07,000 Speaker 2: You mentioned Gilver Stewart. I mean it's not like they 308 00:14:07,080 --> 00:14:09,559 Speaker 2: have a you know, fourteen fifteen stack guy. But you 309 00:14:09,679 --> 00:14:12,280 Speaker 2: mentioned some of the numbers. When Ebacam's got eight, Pay's 310 00:14:12,320 --> 00:14:14,520 Speaker 2: got seven and a half, Odiego gets six and a half, 311 00:14:14,559 --> 00:14:15,640 Speaker 2: Buckner's got five and a half. 312 00:14:15,640 --> 00:14:17,240 Speaker 1: They're second now then sacked. 313 00:14:18,520 --> 00:14:22,400 Speaker 2: The number is big and they're coming in bunches as 314 00:14:22,480 --> 00:14:25,480 Speaker 2: of late. So I give I give Shane stake In 315 00:14:25,520 --> 00:14:27,000 Speaker 2: a lot of credit for what he's been able to do. 316 00:14:27,240 --> 00:14:29,400 Speaker 2: You know, on kind of the theme of the backup quarterbacks, 317 00:14:29,440 --> 00:14:32,120 Speaker 2: which has been one of the unfortunate themes of the year, 318 00:14:32,440 --> 00:14:35,120 Speaker 2: he's kept them competitive on offense, but on defense there, 319 00:14:35,280 --> 00:14:37,760 Speaker 2: that's what's driving this train, That's what's driving this winning streak. 320 00:14:38,400 --> 00:14:41,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, sure does feel like it. And I mean 321 00:14:41,160 --> 00:14:42,800 Speaker 1: they are right in the thick of it here. I 322 00:14:42,880 --> 00:14:45,880 Speaker 1: mean they are in the playoff structure and that I 323 00:14:45,960 --> 00:14:48,200 Speaker 1: mean the AFC South is going to be It might 324 00:14:48,280 --> 00:14:50,360 Speaker 1: be the most fun division down the stretch here if 325 00:14:50,440 --> 00:14:52,720 Speaker 1: the Texans can figure out, you know, a way to 326 00:14:52,760 --> 00:14:55,600 Speaker 1: stay explosive without Tank Dell for the rest of the 327 00:14:55,640 --> 00:14:57,320 Speaker 1: way and as long as Trevor Lawrence doesn't miss a 328 00:14:57,360 --> 00:14:59,200 Speaker 1: ton of time. But there is a window now for 329 00:14:59,280 --> 00:15:01,600 Speaker 1: the Colts, make no mistake. And we talked about on 330 00:15:01,720 --> 00:15:05,080 Speaker 1: the Monday Pod how well some of those receivers are playing, 331 00:15:05,120 --> 00:15:08,200 Speaker 1: how they're developing, Michael Pittman, Alex Pierce, Josh Downs. Nice 332 00:15:08,240 --> 00:15:10,920 Speaker 1: little trio there. They get their you know, their tight 333 00:15:11,040 --> 00:15:12,720 Speaker 1: ends into it too. And if you can hold serve 334 00:15:12,800 --> 00:15:15,240 Speaker 1: till Jonathan Taylor comes back for the fourth quarter, I mean, 335 00:15:15,280 --> 00:15:17,280 Speaker 1: for you know, a final three to four game push. 336 00:15:18,680 --> 00:15:21,640 Speaker 2: Colts are in it, man, Yeah, no doubt, no doubt. 337 00:15:22,040 --> 00:15:24,160 Speaker 2: All Right, one other defensive topic. I want to hit 338 00:15:24,200 --> 00:15:25,600 Speaker 2: one player. We don't spend a lot of time here, 339 00:15:25,640 --> 00:15:26,920 Speaker 2: but I just want to give Josh to tell us 340 00:15:26,960 --> 00:15:29,480 Speaker 2: a little love with the mental Vikings. It's one of 341 00:15:29,520 --> 00:15:33,960 Speaker 2: the more kind of rare skill sets and rare usage 342 00:15:34,400 --> 00:15:37,600 Speaker 2: with how he's used in their scheme. But eighty one 343 00:15:37,680 --> 00:15:40,040 Speaker 2: tackles three fourth bubbles, one and a half sacks, has 344 00:15:40,040 --> 00:15:42,600 Speaker 2: got an interception. I don't know that there's a better 345 00:15:43,400 --> 00:15:46,280 Speaker 2: rushing third level defender in the NFL in terms of 346 00:15:46,360 --> 00:15:48,240 Speaker 2: what he does off the edge. I mean, running backs 347 00:15:48,240 --> 00:15:50,640 Speaker 2: against him is not a fair fight, no, I. 348 00:15:51,440 --> 00:15:53,400 Speaker 1: You know, we we kind of had this. I had 349 00:15:53,440 --> 00:15:57,240 Speaker 1: a little identity crisis and we were talking about the Vikings, oh, 350 00:15:57,320 --> 00:15:59,640 Speaker 1: probably first month of the season, maybe four or five 351 00:15:59,680 --> 00:16:02,360 Speaker 1: weeks in, and I'm like, you know, they're playing with 352 00:16:02,600 --> 00:16:05,920 Speaker 1: with with like one, you know, two linebackers and I 353 00:16:06,240 --> 00:16:08,640 Speaker 1: and I. But it's like, no, Mittellis is a safety 354 00:16:08,920 --> 00:16:11,600 Speaker 1: by trade, right because he wears number forty four kind 355 00:16:11,600 --> 00:16:13,800 Speaker 1: of throws you off. He's a smaller frame, you know, 356 00:16:13,880 --> 00:16:15,840 Speaker 1: five to eleven, a little bit over two hundred pounds, 357 00:16:16,320 --> 00:16:18,200 Speaker 1: but he lines up everywhere. And I was talking to 358 00:16:18,280 --> 00:16:21,080 Speaker 1: some guys, you know, within the Vikings organization, and he 359 00:16:21,200 --> 00:16:24,120 Speaker 1: has had to earn everything he is getting right now. 360 00:16:24,160 --> 00:16:26,000 Speaker 1: He didn't make his first start till his third year 361 00:16:26,040 --> 00:16:27,720 Speaker 1: in the league, had to make it onto the active 362 00:16:27,800 --> 00:16:30,840 Speaker 1: roster through the practice squad and special teams. Pretty much 363 00:16:30,920 --> 00:16:34,360 Speaker 1: knows every spot, they say, from front end to back. 364 00:16:34,640 --> 00:16:36,880 Speaker 1: And on that note, just kind of going back and 365 00:16:36,920 --> 00:16:39,240 Speaker 1: looking at where he lines up each and every week. 366 00:16:39,480 --> 00:16:41,440 Speaker 1: I mean, he's got one hundred and forty seven snaps 367 00:16:41,480 --> 00:16:43,640 Speaker 1: lined up on the line of scrimmage as like an 368 00:16:43,720 --> 00:16:47,000 Speaker 1: outside linebacker slash edge rusher. He's got two hundred and 369 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:49,760 Speaker 1: eighty eight snaps more than anybody on the Vikings team 370 00:16:49,880 --> 00:16:52,920 Speaker 1: as a slot corner, and then another two hundred and 371 00:16:52,960 --> 00:16:55,520 Speaker 1: sixty six snaps in the box as like a second 372 00:16:55,640 --> 00:17:00,040 Speaker 1: level linebacker. He doesn't rush like a ton, like, he 373 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:02,880 Speaker 1: doesn't have that volume, but man, he makes it count. 374 00:17:02,920 --> 00:17:06,080 Speaker 1: I mean against the Saints he generated five pressures on 375 00:17:06,400 --> 00:17:10,280 Speaker 1: nine rushes the whole game. Like that's that efficiency, you 376 00:17:10,359 --> 00:17:11,960 Speaker 1: know what I mean right there? And by the way, 377 00:17:12,080 --> 00:17:15,560 Speaker 1: also in run defense, he has not been credited with 378 00:17:15,680 --> 00:17:18,560 Speaker 1: a single missed tackle this season. 379 00:17:19,040 --> 00:17:21,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's insane. Again, that's insane, But he's having a 380 00:17:21,600 --> 00:17:23,359 Speaker 2: great year and it is one of the more unique 381 00:17:23,400 --> 00:17:26,520 Speaker 2: defenses in the league. So it's it's fun to watch 382 00:17:26,600 --> 00:17:28,439 Speaker 2: how they're deploying him and how they're using him. It's 383 00:17:28,480 --> 00:17:31,320 Speaker 2: been creative and it's been very, very effect. 384 00:17:31,440 --> 00:17:34,320 Speaker 1: Laura's is rolling right now in Minnesota. No, yeah, no 385 00:17:34,520 --> 00:17:35,320 Speaker 1: doubt on defense. 386 00:17:35,840 --> 00:17:37,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, he might. He might find his way into another 387 00:17:37,560 --> 00:17:41,119 Speaker 2: head coaching gig, especially concerning the sheer number of openings 388 00:17:41,160 --> 00:17:43,679 Speaker 2: that we could end up having. All right, let's take 389 00:17:43,880 --> 00:17:46,440 Speaker 2: let's take a quick break. We come back, we will 390 00:17:46,520 --> 00:17:49,040 Speaker 2: do the rookie recap from the draft, and then we 391 00:17:49,080 --> 00:17:52,119 Speaker 2: will have this week's draft with producer Drew stepping in 392 00:17:52,200 --> 00:17:55,199 Speaker 2: for Bucky and handling his picks and see if see 393 00:17:55,280 --> 00:17:57,080 Speaker 2: if we can make a buck pay for this. He's 394 00:17:57,119 --> 00:17:58,439 Speaker 2: not going to be here. See if we can get 395 00:17:58,440 --> 00:18:00,920 Speaker 2: out have a hot week. We need a hot week here, RTI. 396 00:18:01,040 --> 00:18:07,639 Speaker 2: That goes, We'll get to that right after this. All right, 397 00:18:07,640 --> 00:18:10,480 Speaker 2: welcome back. It is time to do our rookie draft. 398 00:18:10,480 --> 00:18:12,240 Speaker 2: We do this each and every week, and last week 399 00:18:12,680 --> 00:18:15,280 Speaker 2: it's unfortunate Buck he's not here because he can gloat 400 00:18:15,320 --> 00:18:18,359 Speaker 2: a little bit after he collected seven points in the 401 00:18:18,440 --> 00:18:21,960 Speaker 2: rookie draft, with Stroud Charbonnet winning the week for their positions, 402 00:18:21,960 --> 00:18:24,760 Speaker 2: getting a point for pookin Nakua Rhet he's secured to 403 00:18:24,760 --> 00:18:26,840 Speaker 2: wins the tight end position with Laporta and then also 404 00:18:26,920 --> 00:18:29,359 Speaker 2: got a second place finished with Levis. I only got 405 00:18:29,520 --> 00:18:34,000 Speaker 2: one point for Bijon Robinson being the being the second 406 00:18:34,080 --> 00:18:36,600 Speaker 2: running back, but Tank Dell got hurt. Okay, that's tough, 407 00:18:36,760 --> 00:18:38,639 Speaker 2: tough break and then bright down. I'm still waiting for 408 00:18:38,720 --> 00:18:41,640 Speaker 2: that one. Still waiting for that good week. Maybe maybe 409 00:18:41,680 --> 00:18:44,280 Speaker 2: it's this week. You never know. One name on there. 410 00:18:44,320 --> 00:18:47,320 Speaker 2: We mentioned the other day, Rhett who's having the historical season. 411 00:18:47,800 --> 00:18:51,400 Speaker 2: And historical season, I guess we'll be properly phrased Damn Laporta. 412 00:18:52,560 --> 00:18:55,800 Speaker 2: He's got nine for a buck forty in last week's game. 413 00:18:56,080 --> 00:18:58,960 Speaker 2: And then you start looking at the company that he 414 00:18:59,160 --> 00:19:03,880 Speaker 2: keeps with some of the numbers that he's postings. It's 415 00:19:03,960 --> 00:19:06,600 Speaker 2: quite impressive the year he's having compared to you know, 416 00:19:06,680 --> 00:19:08,720 Speaker 2: you go back to like Pete Mitchell with Jacksonville, you 417 00:19:08,800 --> 00:19:11,680 Speaker 2: go to Jackie Smith going back to nineteen sixty three, 418 00:19:11,720 --> 00:19:14,680 Speaker 2: and then Iron Mike Ditka in nineteen sixty one. Like 419 00:19:14,760 --> 00:19:17,040 Speaker 2: he's on pace to have a monster year. 420 00:19:17,880 --> 00:19:20,280 Speaker 1: He's been fantastic and the way he operates in the 421 00:19:20,280 --> 00:19:22,080 Speaker 1: middle of the field. We were talking about this play 422 00:19:22,600 --> 00:19:26,040 Speaker 1: the outside, the the you know, the motion and then 423 00:19:26,119 --> 00:19:28,960 Speaker 1: the cutback to the inside instead of you know, on 424 00:19:29,040 --> 00:19:32,200 Speaker 1: an outcut has been big. Was big on that touchdown, 425 00:19:32,280 --> 00:19:35,040 Speaker 1: and then he just I mean he's a stud, you know, 426 00:19:35,600 --> 00:19:37,440 Speaker 1: in the way he runs his routes, the way he's 427 00:19:37,480 --> 00:19:41,080 Speaker 1: got those strong hands. Now, I'm kind of curious about 428 00:19:41,119 --> 00:19:44,840 Speaker 1: this from the roster construction standpoint, and we talked about it. 429 00:19:45,359 --> 00:19:48,160 Speaker 1: Brad Holmes made the decision to trade t J. Hockinson, 430 00:19:48,200 --> 00:19:50,159 Speaker 1: who a previous regime took in the top ten of 431 00:19:50,200 --> 00:19:52,520 Speaker 1: the draft when he was coming out of Iowa. You know, 432 00:19:52,600 --> 00:19:55,440 Speaker 1: I think we both loved the player that TJ. Hockinson, 433 00:19:55,520 --> 00:19:58,600 Speaker 1: that we thought he could ultimately become a real gritty 434 00:19:58,800 --> 00:20:02,159 Speaker 1: and physical block from the tight end spot and then 435 00:20:02,320 --> 00:20:05,560 Speaker 1: you know, a definitely plus receiver. You know, I don't 436 00:20:05,560 --> 00:20:07,800 Speaker 1: know if we got all that in Detroit. We're certainly 437 00:20:07,840 --> 00:20:11,240 Speaker 1: seeing as receiving skills now in Minnesota. But the part 438 00:20:11,280 --> 00:20:14,119 Speaker 1: I'm curious about DJ is, you know, obviously the college 439 00:20:14,160 --> 00:20:16,320 Speaker 1: staff is doing all the work ahead of time, right, 440 00:20:16,440 --> 00:20:19,400 Speaker 1: You've got an idea at some point what that tight 441 00:20:19,520 --> 00:20:21,320 Speaker 1: end class is going to look like. But do you 442 00:20:21,440 --> 00:20:24,320 Speaker 1: feel like that was part of the discussion when Brad 443 00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:26,920 Speaker 1: Holmes and that's that valuation staff decide all right, let's 444 00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:29,120 Speaker 1: part ways with Honkinson. Maybe we don't want to spend 445 00:20:29,160 --> 00:20:30,840 Speaker 1: that kind of money on the tight end spot. We 446 00:20:30,920 --> 00:20:32,879 Speaker 1: feel really good about some of these tight ends that 447 00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:34,840 Speaker 1: are coming in that day to range, because obvious, you 448 00:20:34,840 --> 00:20:36,160 Speaker 1: don't know where you're gonna end up in the draft, 449 00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:39,200 Speaker 1: but like, hey, we like, you know, a cluster of 450 00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:41,040 Speaker 1: these guys, feel like we may be able to get 451 00:20:41,119 --> 00:20:43,200 Speaker 1: one of those guys that could really step in and 452 00:20:43,320 --> 00:20:46,239 Speaker 1: be a more reasonable, serviceable option for us a tight end. 453 00:20:46,720 --> 00:20:48,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that goes into the calculus. I was 454 00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:51,399 Speaker 2: talking to a general manager the other day about, you know, 455 00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:55,400 Speaker 2: even going tight end versus wide receiver in the first round, 456 00:20:55,480 --> 00:20:58,359 Speaker 2: and you know, we see like this historical tight end 457 00:20:58,400 --> 00:21:01,040 Speaker 2: class come in a lot, those guys got pushed down. 458 00:21:01,080 --> 00:21:04,159 Speaker 2: And the reason being that, man, the gap between the 459 00:21:04,320 --> 00:21:07,200 Speaker 2: salary for a wide out versus a rocky whiteout, the 460 00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:10,080 Speaker 2: savings that you can have there, it makes more sense 461 00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:14,160 Speaker 2: to take wideouts in the first round versus you get 462 00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:15,760 Speaker 2: a tight end of the first round. You're almost pushing 463 00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:18,479 Speaker 2: up towards the top of the tight end market amongst 464 00:21:18,520 --> 00:21:20,439 Speaker 2: the veteran pool, whereas the wide receiver. I mean, you're 465 00:21:20,440 --> 00:21:23,119 Speaker 2: talking with these guys get all getting over twenty now 466 00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:26,280 Speaker 2: getting near thirty, and so it's a big gap there, 467 00:21:26,359 --> 00:21:29,159 Speaker 2: which I think is going to lead us to a 468 00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:32,040 Speaker 2: run over the next few years of second day tight ends. 469 00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:33,679 Speaker 2: That's going to be you know, the tight ends are 470 00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:35,560 Speaker 2: going to kind of be similar to the running backs 471 00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:37,000 Speaker 2: and the day two is going to be their day, 472 00:21:37,080 --> 00:21:40,240 Speaker 2: second third round. And then you look at the numbers 473 00:21:40,280 --> 00:21:42,560 Speaker 2: there for second third round tight ends versus the top 474 00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:45,280 Speaker 2: of the veteran tight end market. There's your savings. So 475 00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:47,760 Speaker 2: they were able to spin off. They were able to 476 00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:50,680 Speaker 2: spin off paying a tight end on a second contract 477 00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:53,080 Speaker 2: a hefty amount of money and they were able to 478 00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:54,920 Speaker 2: get out of that and replace the production with the 479 00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:57,639 Speaker 2: cheap starter in the second round. So yeah, I think 480 00:21:57,720 --> 00:22:00,000 Speaker 2: that's all part of the calculus. And give Brad Holmes 481 00:22:00,359 --> 00:22:02,080 Speaker 2: and crew a lot of credit there for the way 482 00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:04,560 Speaker 2: they've they've formed this roster and built this roster up. 483 00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:07,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, I was gonna say, like this is just this 484 00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:10,520 Speaker 1: is working out like to be a potentially historic draft 485 00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:13,119 Speaker 1: class for Detroit. And like you think about some of 486 00:22:13,160 --> 00:22:15,800 Speaker 1: the narratives, you know, drafting an off ball linebacker and 487 00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:17,760 Speaker 1: a running back with your two first round picks, and 488 00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:19,959 Speaker 1: it was like, hold on, now, what's going on here 489 00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:22,280 Speaker 1: in Detroit? Well, they know what they want to do, 490 00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:23,840 Speaker 1: they know what they want to they know how they 491 00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:26,200 Speaker 1: want to play, and it's it's obviously paying off for 492 00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:29,080 Speaker 1: him right now. Brian Branch at a pick and report, 493 00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:32,320 Speaker 1: and then obviously Campbell and Jamior Gibbs. 494 00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:34,800 Speaker 2: So yeah, I'm ready. Yeah, speaking of all right, let's 495 00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:37,159 Speaker 2: go so uh, producer Drew is going to get in 496 00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:39,880 Speaker 2: my ear. He's gonna get me BUCkies picks. So rtt 497 00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:41,080 Speaker 2: you were going to leave us off. I'm in the 498 00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:43,240 Speaker 2: two hole, and then Bucky's going to He's going to 499 00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:44,840 Speaker 2: be picking three and four here, So go ahead. 500 00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:48,159 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I feel like you just got to 501 00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:50,480 Speaker 1: take a win when you're in the first you know, 502 00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:52,560 Speaker 1: when you're in this first slot. 503 00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:53,600 Speaker 2: And C. J. 504 00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:58,720 Speaker 1: Stroud has won the quarterback position what every week since 505 00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:01,560 Speaker 1: we've been doing this, So I just even though he's 506 00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:04,200 Speaker 1: going up against the Jets in a good pass defense there, 507 00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:06,160 Speaker 1: I just feel like I don't know what they're doing 508 00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:08,600 Speaker 1: at quarterback. I think CJ is gonna have enough opportunities 509 00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:11,080 Speaker 1: to still secure the win at quarterbacks, So I got 510 00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:12,159 Speaker 1: to take that at number one. 511 00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:15,080 Speaker 2: Overall, I like it. I think that's smart, good play. 512 00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:18,960 Speaker 2: I'm gonna I'm gonna go man. I could go in 513 00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:20,880 Speaker 2: a couple different directions here, but I think I'm gonna 514 00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:23,040 Speaker 2: go running back. I'm gonn I'm gonna go with Bijon. 515 00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:26,880 Speaker 2: I'm gonna go Jeon Robinson here with my first pick. 516 00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:29,000 Speaker 2: Need a big week from him this week, see if 517 00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:30,600 Speaker 2: I can get back on track after a rough one 518 00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:32,199 Speaker 2: for me last year. 519 00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:37,680 Speaker 1: So that'll be That'll be that one Bijon against that 520 00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:42,920 Speaker 1: Bucks defense been pretty good, especially up front Vitavea and company. 521 00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:45,560 Speaker 1: I mean, I like it. I don't know that I 522 00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:48,080 Speaker 1: would have done differently, but it's it's not a not 523 00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:51,240 Speaker 1: a high quality matchup, uh. There that you like that 524 00:23:51,320 --> 00:23:53,880 Speaker 1: you'd like to see, But nonetheless, I think it's something 525 00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:55,119 Speaker 1: you had to do. What's Bucky doing? 526 00:23:55,560 --> 00:23:58,160 Speaker 2: Uh? So Bucky's got back to back picks. He's gonna 527 00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:02,040 Speaker 2: go Puka Nakua, which was gonna my calculus for the 528 00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:05,000 Speaker 2: last pick. So I like that one for Buck coming 529 00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:07,240 Speaker 2: off a monster week this last week. I got a 530 00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:08,960 Speaker 2: little thing up, but still a hundred yard game and 531 00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:11,040 Speaker 2: he's over a thousand yards on the season in credible, 532 00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:13,400 Speaker 2: incredible rookie year. I think he's gonna go with the quarterback. 533 00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:16,280 Speaker 2: He's gonna go Will Levis with his next pick, which 534 00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:19,880 Speaker 2: I don't know, do we get credit for tackles if 535 00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:24,040 Speaker 2: we do force bubbles, that could really they could really 536 00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:27,400 Speaker 2: spike the total there. But now he goes with the quarterback, 537 00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:29,600 Speaker 2: So that means I'm up next. There's no means for 538 00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:31,600 Speaker 2: me to take the quarterback. There's only one left, so 539 00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:35,919 Speaker 2: I can go to the pass catchers, and I think 540 00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:37,400 Speaker 2: I'm going to go to the man of the hour 541 00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:39,440 Speaker 2: that we just talked about. I'm gonna go Samuel Porta 542 00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:43,440 Speaker 2: with my spot here as my pass catcher. That leaves 543 00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:45,160 Speaker 2: me up next here. 544 00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:53,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, So man, I think I think Jeffrey Simmons is 545 00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:55,840 Speaker 1: going to miss a couple of weeks for the Tennessee Titans, 546 00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:58,720 Speaker 1: and Devon h Chan is back in the fold at 547 00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:01,760 Speaker 1: a couple of touchdowns. The rookie runner from Texas A 548 00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:03,960 Speaker 1: and M, after a stint on IR and a little 549 00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:06,560 Speaker 1: bit of a re injury in his first game back, 550 00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:09,359 Speaker 1: is now seems to be back at full strength and 551 00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:12,720 Speaker 1: full health. So give me Devon h Chan right there. 552 00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:16,400 Speaker 1: As the Dolphins get the Titans in Miami, I think 553 00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:19,920 Speaker 1: that's Dolphins are going to go to work on that one. 554 00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:24,240 Speaker 1: And then from my pass catcher, you know, I was, 555 00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:27,440 Speaker 1: I was definitely looking at Sam Laporta. We could get 556 00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:30,159 Speaker 1: Dalton kincaid back into the mix here this week against 557 00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:33,120 Speaker 1: the Chiefs. But I think what I like a little 558 00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:37,040 Speaker 1: bit better is Zay Flowers. So I'm gonna go eh 559 00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:39,440 Speaker 1: Chan and Flowers to close out my draft. 560 00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:43,960 Speaker 2: All right, eh Chan and Flowers solid picks there. Okay, 561 00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:46,800 Speaker 2: Now I've got a decision to make here at the 562 00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:50,120 Speaker 2: quarterback position because Bryce Young has not treated me well 563 00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:53,320 Speaker 2: unfortunately this year. I keep hoping that somehow it's going 564 00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:56,000 Speaker 2: to happen. It's playing on the road against the Saints, 565 00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:59,040 Speaker 2: so indoor, good environment there, Saints reeling a little bit. 566 00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:00,960 Speaker 2: I could go in that dire action, but I'm actually 567 00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:09,919 Speaker 2: gonna go Aidan O'Connell against Josh I need, I need, 568 00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:12,080 Speaker 2: I need Minnesota's offense to get going in a little 569 00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:14,119 Speaker 2: bit of a shootout here, I'm gonna go off the 570 00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:17,800 Speaker 2: grid and go Aiden O'Connell. Uh as my quarterbacks selection, 571 00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:20,320 Speaker 2: and then Bucky is going to round it up, round 572 00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:24,080 Speaker 2: it up here. Last pick he has, Jamiered Gibbs is 573 00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:28,639 Speaker 2: who he's taking ahead of the last player. Yeah, Bucky's 574 00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:30,679 Speaker 2: got a chance of a big week with Puka and Gibbs. 575 00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:35,000 Speaker 2: He could have another strong, strong week in the risky draft. 576 00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:38,160 Speaker 2: But rtt this is uh, this is going to wrap 577 00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:41,280 Speaker 2: us up for the day. Man, Kay could do good 578 00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:43,520 Speaker 2: to be able to pull this off. I'm in New York, 579 00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:46,720 Speaker 2: you're in Los Angeles. My picture is a little fuzzy, 580 00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:49,800 Speaker 2: my audio is probably not great. But we get her done. 581 00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:51,080 Speaker 2: We get her in, We get her done. 582 00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:54,680 Speaker 1: Hey, it doesn't matter how. It just matters that you do. 583 00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:57,080 Speaker 1: And that's that's what we do here and move the sticks, 584 00:26:57,119 --> 00:26:59,159 Speaker 1: always delivering on the content front, no. 585 00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:02,200 Speaker 2: No question. Hey, where else would I rather be on 586 00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:07,440 Speaker 2: my forty sixth birthday than sharing this moment together? Yeah? Yeah, 587 00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:09,239 Speaker 2: you know, you think Drew would care a little bit, 588 00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:11,040 Speaker 2: maybe do a little research. I don't know, look at 589 00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:14,560 Speaker 2: a Wikipedia page. No, it didn't happen, But I enjoyed 590 00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:16,760 Speaker 2: this time together. This was my birthday present. It was 591 00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:19,720 Speaker 2: getting to spend time with you today. RTT appreciate you. 592 00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:22,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, you don't look at the I'm sure the cards. 593 00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:24,440 Speaker 2: In the mail. I mean no, not at all. Forty 594 00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:28,520 Speaker 2: four to be honest, you feel great? All right? Hey, 595 00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:31,760 Speaker 2: I out of here. All right, I'll get you guys later. 596 00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:34,000 Speaker 2: Fun day and we'll see you next time. Right here 597 00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:35,159 Speaker 2: on move this sixth