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Speaker 2: Good morning, Welcome to the Nodunks podcast on the Athletic Network.

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Speaker 2: It's Thursday, November twenty one, twenty twenty four. I'm g

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Speaker 2: the bearded one Atapsha Hotboy Trick Herbie you and filling

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Speaker 2: It's Eshwa Kid. Y'all doing what's up, Besh ndt Uh

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Speaker 2: Task and JD at the airport as we speak, getting

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Speaker 2: And we got a three way tie when it comes

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Speaker 2: we see your Beyonce NFL overlords, and we raise you

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Speaker 3: It was like, it's more like the players became characters

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Speaker 2: They're desperate, just like that.

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Speaker 2: I think they play tomorrow night. I think they're at home.

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Speaker 2: Hartenstein clearly changes things for OKCEE immediately. You got the

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I called Julius Randall a pair of jeans straight

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Speaker 2: You think JD's wearing some perfectly tailored pants. Probably, I

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he probably bought him off the rat I think

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Speaker 3: for the thunder as well. With everything you mentioned, the

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Speaker 3: rim protection, the blocking an alley oop too, then catching

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Speaker 3: Eight screen assistans eight points generated simply from screening.

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Speaker 2: He sets a mean screen.

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Speaker 3: He sets a mean screen, and then he can either

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Speaker 3: I like what Hartenstein gave him. It's what everybody assumed

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Speaker 2: Heading into last night's game, the Thunder ranked twenty fourth

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Speaker 2: Like just to like that was the one glaring hole

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Speaker 3: positioned on the floor. Hertenstein's a little more traditional as

434
00:19:52,920 --> 00:19:55,439
Speaker 3: a center, so they get these easy dump offs for dunks.

435
00:19:55,600 --> 00:19:57,320
Speaker 3: He had a ton of them. Those are huge momentum

436
00:19:57,320 --> 00:19:58,400
Speaker 3: plays and they look cool.

437
00:19:58,560 --> 00:20:01,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that combo, right, J, Dubb and Hartenstein

438
00:20:01,960 --> 00:20:04,880
Speaker 2: is going to be very difficult for teams to figure out.

439
00:20:04,920 --> 00:20:07,040
Speaker 2: And then oh yeah there's Sga and oh yeah, there's

440
00:20:07,040 --> 00:20:08,800
Speaker 2: a bunch of shooters usually out on the floor as well.

441
00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:11,280
Speaker 2: A good start for Okase. They're in his debut with them,

442
00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:16,040
Speaker 2: all right, the number three, number third pick goes to you,

443
00:20:16,119 --> 00:20:16,640
Speaker 2: where are you going?

444
00:20:16,840 --> 00:20:19,320
Speaker 3: Number three is the Picks, and the Knicks are the Picks.

445
00:20:19,400 --> 00:20:22,640
Speaker 3: Brunson thirty six, Karl Anthony Towns thirty four. The Knicks

446
00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:25,720
Speaker 3: have won four straight. Kind of a cupcake schedule if

447
00:20:25,760 --> 00:20:28,399
Speaker 3: we're being honest, the Nets twice, the Wizards, and then

448
00:20:28,400 --> 00:20:30,639
Speaker 3: the Suns, who did get use of Nurkic back but

449
00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:33,720
Speaker 3: are still missing KD and Bradley Beal. But the Knicks

450
00:20:33,760 --> 00:20:35,760
Speaker 3: offense is cooking. They've been over one hundred and thirty

451
00:20:35,920 --> 00:20:38,320
Speaker 3: their last couple of games, including this one. They're up

452
00:20:38,359 --> 00:20:41,400
Speaker 3: the second in offense right now, twenty first in defense,

453
00:20:41,440 --> 00:20:44,720
Speaker 3: which feels weird, yeh, knowing this is a Tom Thibodeau team,

454
00:20:44,760 --> 00:20:46,080
Speaker 3: But then you go back and look at worth they've

455
00:20:46,080 --> 00:20:48,639
Speaker 3: actually done. Since Thibodeaux showed up in twenty twenty one,

456
00:20:48,680 --> 00:20:51,200
Speaker 3: there were twenty third in offense, third in defense. Twenty

457
00:20:51,240 --> 00:20:53,640
Speaker 3: twenty two to twenty second in offense, eleventh in defense.

458
00:20:53,760 --> 00:20:56,440
Speaker 3: Those are Thibodeau teams. They were not talented enough to

459
00:20:56,520 --> 00:20:59,160
Speaker 3: actually compete. Jalen Brunson then shows up in the summer

460
00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:01,600
Speaker 3: of twenty twenty three, third in offense for the Knicks,

461
00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:03,679
Speaker 3: nineteenth in defense, and then last year they found the

462
00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:07,680
Speaker 3: perfect mix finally seventh in offense, tenth in defense after

463
00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:10,560
Speaker 3: they made the trade for Ognanobi and went crazy in

464
00:21:10,600 --> 00:21:13,760
Speaker 3: the second half of the season. The defense ain't quite

465
00:21:13,800 --> 00:21:16,359
Speaker 3: the same right now, but they are tough to stop.

466
00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:19,600
Speaker 3: They run so many three man actions with Brunson Towns

467
00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:23,240
Speaker 3: and then basically one of either Bridges or Josh Hart

468
00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:26,439
Speaker 3: couple of screens, and then it's just like mass confusion.

469
00:21:27,119 --> 00:21:29,439
Speaker 3: You get a big guy on Brunson that's tough. You

470
00:21:29,480 --> 00:21:31,280
Speaker 3: get a little guy on Towns that's tough. You get

471
00:21:31,320 --> 00:21:33,960
Speaker 3: a close out to Towns, he pump fakes and drives

472
00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:35,720
Speaker 3: to the hoop. It felt like the Knicks were able

473
00:21:35,760 --> 00:21:38,160
Speaker 3: to get any shot they wanted, and they were basically

474
00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:41,639
Speaker 3: all good shots. Seventy points combined from your top two stars,

475
00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:44,359
Speaker 3: They're both at over twenty five points per game on

476
00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:47,919
Speaker 3: really solid percentages. I think Towns is over fifty from

477
00:21:47,960 --> 00:21:51,040
Speaker 3: the field and over fifty from three as well. That

478
00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:53,840
Speaker 3: side of the ball is working perfect. They will probably

479
00:21:53,840 --> 00:21:56,639
Speaker 3: get better on defense as the year goes on. You know,

480
00:21:56,720 --> 00:22:00,440
Speaker 3: Towns has been part of decent defenses when he playing

481
00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:04,080
Speaker 3: alongside of center. Someday Mitchell Robinson will play again someday. Yeah,

482
00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:07,160
Speaker 3: but I think they're good enough offensively without Mitchell Robinson

483
00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:10,120
Speaker 3: that they can deal with the minutes in the playoffs

484
00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:12,440
Speaker 3: when it comes down to it, assuming everybody's healthy. We'll

485
00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:15,560
Speaker 3: see at the time. But I was impressed with Brunson

486
00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:17,720
Speaker 3: and Towns. Brunson's put together a nice little string here.

487
00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:19,680
Speaker 2: Oh my god. Yeah again, this is one of those

488
00:22:19,720 --> 00:22:22,360
Speaker 2: things in the preseason when they made the trade, it

489
00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:24,680
Speaker 2: was like, okay, defensively, question marks, but it was like

490
00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:27,240
Speaker 2: everybody was like the Nick should be like impossible to

491
00:22:27,240 --> 00:22:30,080
Speaker 2: stop when you have Brunson and Kat and then again

492
00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:32,680
Speaker 2: shooters in the corner like Bridges and og and Andobi's

493
00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:34,840
Speaker 2: actually having a pretty good offensive season two and then

494
00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:38,719
Speaker 2: Heart obviously crashing. It's like, who's gonna stop them? Started

495
00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:41,000
Speaker 2: a little slow, you know, it's a little sluggish there,

496
00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:42,840
Speaker 2: but yeah, over the last little bit, I mean one

497
00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:44,400
Speaker 2: hundred and thirty eight points in this game. They had

498
00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:46,280
Speaker 2: forty four in the first quarter. It felt it was

499
00:22:46,320 --> 00:22:48,080
Speaker 2: one of those games. I know you're never out of

500
00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:50,359
Speaker 2: it in today's NBA, but it was like, oh man,

501
00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:52,440
Speaker 2: they're gonna run away with this one and just sort

502
00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:54,600
Speaker 2: of like maintain that lead basically for the rest of

503
00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:56,800
Speaker 2: the game. So good start. I don't have much else

504
00:22:56,800 --> 00:23:00,919
Speaker 2: to add except the Suns really would like Durant right

505
00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:03,760
Speaker 2: at least Bradley bealback, because their record's good when those

506
00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:05,679
Speaker 2: guys are playing, and it's quite bad when they're not.

507
00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:09,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, good for Kevin Durant's MVP case. You know, I

508
00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:12,520
Speaker 3: think he's unfortunately losing because Jokic is balling. But he

509
00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:15,560
Speaker 3: was awesome, Yeah, exactly. He was awesome at the start

510
00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:18,400
Speaker 3: of the season and they've fallen apart basically without him,

511
00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:21,080
Speaker 3: and it's looking like Booker can't really carry this team though.

512
00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:25,160
Speaker 3: This team is kind of tough to watch. Yeah, without

513
00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:27,600
Speaker 3: those other two guys, unless you like u Sai Nurkic

514
00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:29,359
Speaker 3: pick and pops, he's getting those threes up.

515
00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:31,199
Speaker 2: Maybe he sure is that Botenholzers.

516
00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:31,960
Speaker 3: They weren't lying.

517
00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:33,840
Speaker 2: He's talked to him. Yeah, He's like, hey, you're the

518
00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:36,160
Speaker 2: next Brook Lopez man. All right, I have the final

519
00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:37,760
Speaker 2: pick because we're gonna call it here because again, a

520
00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:39,720
Speaker 2: lot of blowouts last night and this is a blowout.

521
00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:42,720
Speaker 2: But there's some interesting things from this game. My fourth pick,

522
00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:45,879
Speaker 2: it's Ty Jerome scoring a career high twenty nine points

523
00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:50,400
Speaker 2: as the Calves routed the injury riddled Pelicans. Let's start

524
00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:53,040
Speaker 2: with the Calves quickly here again they win one twenty

525
00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:57,000
Speaker 2: eight to one hundred over the New Orleans Pelicans. Let's

526
00:23:57,000 --> 00:23:58,960
Speaker 2: throw that in their quotes because not really the New

527
00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:01,720
Speaker 2: Orleans Pelicans, but Ty Jerome. He started in place a

528
00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:04,879
Speaker 2: Darius Garland. He had twenty points in the second quarter.

529
00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:10,720
Speaker 2: He buried seven three pointers before halftime, so he played well.

530
00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:14,040
Speaker 2: And then Kavs rookie Jalen Tyson, which sounds like a

531
00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:17,280
Speaker 2: backwards name to me, Jalen Tyson, it should be the

532
00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:19,120
Speaker 2: other way around. I'm convinced. But he got his first

533
00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:21,760
Speaker 2: career start. He played a lot of minutes because they

534
00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:25,080
Speaker 2: hammered them. Sixteen points, eleven boards, seven assists, and two steals.

535
00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:27,399
Speaker 2: Good game from the rook But let's show you the

536
00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:31,520
Speaker 2: Pelicans starting five because it is something to see here. People.

537
00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:35,359
Speaker 2: It is Alfred Peyton. We'll talk about him in a second.

538
00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:38,360
Speaker 2: You may have been like, what he's in the league. Yeah,

539
00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:43,879
Speaker 2: he is back. Brandon Boston Junior, Javonte Green, Jeremiah Robinson Earle,

540
00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:49,080
Speaker 2: and then their rook Yeves Missy New Orleans top six scorers,

541
00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:52,280
Speaker 2: which average it combined like one hundred and ten points

542
00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:55,440
Speaker 2: all out with injury. So they're forced forced to play

543
00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:58,320
Speaker 2: like three of their two way players in this game.

544
00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:03,359
Speaker 2: Elfred Peyton guy was signed earlier in the day on Wednesday,

545
00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:07,280
Speaker 2: and he started. He actually played okay, like all things considered,

546
00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:09,480
Speaker 2: he hadn't played since like twenty twenty two in the league.

547
00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:12,200
Speaker 2: Eleven points, five board, dat assists. But like look at

548
00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:16,680
Speaker 2: that TK. That's uh, that's not a real NBA roster.

549
00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:18,840
Speaker 3: That's that's nasty.

550
00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:20,280
Speaker 2: That is nasty.

551
00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:24,560
Speaker 3: Took the elf off the shelf. Let him play. That's crazy.

552
00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:27,360
Speaker 3: A guy named Antonio Reeves scored thirty four points.

553
00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:30,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, he took twenty five shots. He's a rookie. He's

554
00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:32,680
Speaker 2: an old rookie. I think he's like twenty four years old.

555
00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:35,399
Speaker 3: Antonio Reeves. Yeah, that's a new guy to me.

556
00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:40,639
Speaker 2: So this season is a complete disaster. It's I guess,

557
00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:45,480
Speaker 2: some similarities to the Sixers, and it just everything that's

558
00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:48,320
Speaker 2: gone wrong has yeah and yeah. I don't know if

559
00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:49,199
Speaker 2: you have anything to add to this.

560
00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:51,439
Speaker 3: I mean, it's basically at this point it's got to

561
00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:54,800
Speaker 3: be for the Pelicans where the Grizzlies from last year.

562
00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:56,760
Speaker 3: We got to take our wins where we can, and

563
00:25:56,840 --> 00:25:58,840
Speaker 3: the wins, I would say, is easy. Mac looks good

564
00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:02,000
Speaker 3: like he was like a solid rotation guy in the NBA.

565
00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:05,639
Speaker 3: He jumped Tice for the starting spot pretty quickly. Looks

566
00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:08,680
Speaker 3: like he'll probably stay there. You can upgrade still if

567
00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:11,320
Speaker 3: you wanted sometime down the line. But he's good. Number two.

568
00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:14,280
Speaker 3: Brandon Boston kind of nice. Yeah, I don't know if

569
00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:17,360
Speaker 3: he's good man. He's being asked to do a lot.

570
00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:19,800
Speaker 3: He's basically they're basically like, go out there and look

571
00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:23,440
Speaker 3: like Brandon Ingram physically and also game wise. So he's

572
00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:26,600
Speaker 3: having some decent moments. But maybe he's able to stick

573
00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:28,639
Speaker 3: on a roster for next season, similar to like a

574
00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:32,000
Speaker 3: Gig Jackson Vince Williams type of thing. But it's just

575
00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:36,080
Speaker 3: bad for the Pelicans. I've become friends with two Pelicans

576
00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:38,760
Speaker 3: fans who I played basketball with, and they are both

577
00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:39,720
Speaker 3: playing through injuries.

578
00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:45,080
Speaker 2: I believable. It's actually blooded, guy, I know that are

579
00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:46,000
Speaker 2: just Pelicans fans.

580
00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:49,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's iras like you can't get away from it,

581
00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:53,280
Speaker 3: the curse of the Pelicans right now. But yeah, I

582
00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:55,120
Speaker 3: don't know, I don't know. I mean, they're just gonna

583
00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:58,640
Speaker 3: find weird dudes. Antonio Reeves, Yeah.

584
00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:00,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, that sounds like a fake name. But he got

585
00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:01,880
Speaker 2: his shots up last night, got his point.

586
00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:07,800
Speaker 3: Carlow Matkovich. We Carlo Matkovich had two last night too.

587
00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:11,760
Speaker 2: Know what that guy looks like? What's he look like?

588
00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:14,919
Speaker 3: White dude like Europeani kind of looks like a like

589
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:16,560
Speaker 3: a Bosnian Isaiah Harten.

590
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:20,880
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, I will say for the Calves, I mean,

591
00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:23,120
Speaker 2: I know they're playing like the C League D League

592
00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:25,480
Speaker 2: version of the Pelicans. Last night that's a nice like

593
00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:29,280
Speaker 2: bounce back win after the loss to the Celtics. You know,

594
00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:31,360
Speaker 2: after that snapped the streak. A lot of teams take

595
00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:33,080
Speaker 2: their foot off the gas and stuff like that, and

596
00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:35,400
Speaker 2: you're missing some guys. I know, Mobiley didn't play a ton,

597
00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:37,600
Speaker 2: but they just kicked the snot out of them, Like

598
00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:40,520
Speaker 2: they are getting all these contributions from all these other guys,

599
00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:43,040
Speaker 2: so good stuff from them. We'll call it there again.

600
00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:45,680
Speaker 2: Like we had the Warriors killing the Hawks last night,

601
00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:48,480
Speaker 2: we had the Bucks beating your bulls. We actually have

602
00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:50,760
Speaker 2: something from that game of a second. Rockets took care

603
00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:54,919
Speaker 2: of business. They destroyed the Pacers. Shengdon had an awesome game. Uh,

604
00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:58,080
Speaker 2: and then the Clippers held the Magic to ninety three

605
00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:00,560
Speaker 2: points and that was It wasn't really a lot of

606
00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:03,120
Speaker 2: close games last night. The closest game was incredibly the

607
00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:04,800
Speaker 2: Grizzly Sixers game.

608
00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:07,800
Speaker 3: Okay, that was close. I mean the Bulls got interesting,

609
00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:11,000
Speaker 3: I suppose in the fourth quarter at the beginning, and

610
00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:12,879
Speaker 3: then the Bucks really hit the gas. You know, they

611
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:15,320
Speaker 3: put Giannis Beck in. It was over. This kind of

612
00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:18,760
Speaker 3: the way things went. So things to mention, Golden State

613
00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:21,840
Speaker 3: lostd Anthony Melton, Yes, for the season. That's a bummer.

614
00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:24,399
Speaker 3: It seemed like he probably I mean, who knows. The

615
00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:26,600
Speaker 3: Warriors are probably going to make a trade regardless even

616
00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:28,560
Speaker 3: before the Melton stuff, but I think now they have to.

617
00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:31,119
Speaker 3: Melton probably would have been in their closing lineup just

618
00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:33,840
Speaker 3: for the shooting he gets in the transition play and

619
00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:36,960
Speaker 3: then obviously he's taking like the number one perimeter option

620
00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:39,080
Speaker 3: for the other team defensively, so I think that's a

621
00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:41,960
Speaker 3: big loss. But it's time for Brandon Pegeenzi to step up.

622
00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:44,240
Speaker 3: I think he should be the one to elevate his

623
00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:46,920
Speaker 3: game offensively. He's bringing it defensively well enough, but he

624
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:49,920
Speaker 3: doesn't look super quick this season, and maybe the book

625
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:53,000
Speaker 3: is out on him after a rookie season, not uncommon

626
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:55,440
Speaker 3: for a sophomore player to have a down year, but

627
00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:57,160
Speaker 3: this would be a good time for him to step up.

628
00:28:57,320 --> 00:29:00,360
Speaker 2: Well, let's go to that Bulls Bucks game for a second,

629
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:04,240
Speaker 2: because we had an interesting play with Brook Lopez who

630
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:08,840
Speaker 2: appears pick up a wedgie, but they didn't call it,

631
00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:11,920
Speaker 2: so he just grabbed it and scored it. And here's

632
00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:14,040
Speaker 2: the Bulls broadcast team of Adam I Mean and Stacy

633
00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:17,400
Speaker 2: King wedged in between the river and the glass and

634
00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:18,400
Speaker 2: he grabbed it.

635
00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:20,640
Speaker 3: Man, he didn't even jump, He didn't even jump. He

636
00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:22,280
Speaker 3: got him.

637
00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:25,320
Speaker 2: He just grabbed it off there, Wedgie. He took the

638
00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:29,400
Speaker 2: weggie away? Where's Taco, Trey Kirby?

639
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:30,600
Speaker 5: Keep it track of a weggie?

640
00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:34,360
Speaker 2: Counter Taco? Trey Kerby? Git in a show out on

641
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:36,200
Speaker 2: the Bulls broadcast last night.

642
00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:39,280
Speaker 3: I'm here, Adam, Yeah, I'm here. I was watching. That

643
00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:41,560
Speaker 3: was watching on ESPN. I would have loved to have

644
00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:44,440
Speaker 3: heard that. Lie didn't hear about it until this morning.

645
00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:48,080
Speaker 3: But uh, honestly, nothing gets me happier than getting mentioned

646
00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:51,560
Speaker 3: on the home broadcast. You know, when Devlin shouts out

647
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:54,880
Speaker 3: you and tasks on the Raptors broadcast, I get a

648
00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:56,880
Speaker 3: little jealous. Sure, I'm being honest, he.

649
00:29:56,840 --> 00:29:57,960
Speaker 2: Sometimes says everybody.

650
00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:00,840
Speaker 3: He sometimes does. The man recommended me dentist once upon

651
00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:03,400
Speaker 3: a time. So I'll hold nothing against it. You guys

652
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:06,400
Speaker 3: deserve it. But how nice does it feel on your

653
00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:09,000
Speaker 3: team's broadcast get your name said? Come on?

654
00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:11,440
Speaker 2: I laugh every time that they include the taco part

655
00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:11,640
Speaker 2: of it.

656
00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:16,120
Speaker 3: I do not know why that's giaco, but a weird

657
00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:18,840
Speaker 3: play there for the podcast lists again, like the ball

658
00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:21,400
Speaker 3: gets wedged definitely it is wedged, and.

659
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:23,920
Speaker 2: Brooke, just being a giant dude, just was like, I'll

660
00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:25,720
Speaker 2: just take that out before they blow the whistle and

661
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:27,240
Speaker 2: put it right back in. And then you can see

662
00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:31,200
Speaker 2: Brook Lopez like basically laughing with the guys and they're like, yeah, yeah,

663
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:33,120
Speaker 2: I designed that player or something like that. So he

664
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:35,440
Speaker 2: took away a weggie. He took it away, and we're

665
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:36,080
Speaker 2: not counting it.

666
00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:38,840
Speaker 3: We cannot, we will not be kind of continued, Yeah,

667
00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:41,400
Speaker 3: I would like to see an update to the NBA

668
00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:44,480
Speaker 3: rules book to allow this kind of thing. It would

669
00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:46,360
Speaker 3: be bad for our weggie stats. But there should be

670
00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:48,800
Speaker 3: like a point three, like a Trent Tucker rule, point

671
00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:50,800
Speaker 3: three seconds and sticks out there. If you can grab

672
00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:51,880
Speaker 3: it and score, go for it.

673
00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:54,880
Speaker 2: Interesting. Interesting, So good shout out there from the Bulls broadcast.

674
00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:57,760
Speaker 2: All right, let's pivot here to some train talk TK

675
00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:00,840
Speaker 2: because last week Bleacher Reports Dan faveil Well he dropped

676
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:05,400
Speaker 2: the classic one trade every NBA team should propose right

677
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:08,840
Speaker 2: now article and it got the people going. This stuff

678
00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:12,320
Speaker 2: always gets the people go. In trade rumors, Baby, I

679
00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:14,520
Speaker 2: wanted to pull a few of what I thought were

680
00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:18,240
Speaker 2: the more interesting proposed trades from Dan, and that Bleacher

681
00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:20,360
Speaker 2: Report article. Pitch them to you, pitch them to the

682
00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:23,200
Speaker 2: people here joining us live on YouTube and the podcast listeners,

683
00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:26,840
Speaker 2: and talk about a little bit basically hate it, love it,

684
00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:29,480
Speaker 2: maybe massage it a little bit, might be something there,

685
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:32,800
Speaker 2: and we'll talk it through. So first one, we're starting

686
00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:35,760
Speaker 2: with your Bulls. Oh yeah, Zach Levine, guys on fire.

687
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:40,680
Speaker 2: Trade them. So here's the proposed trade, all of these

688
00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:43,800
Speaker 2: again by way of Bleacher Report Magic, make the move

689
00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:46,040
Speaker 2: for Zach Lavine. So they get Zach Lavine and Tory

690
00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:49,440
Speaker 2: Craig and the Bulls in return would get Cole Anthony,

691
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:53,360
Speaker 2: Jonathan Isaac, Tristan da Silva, and a twenty twenty five

692
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:58,160
Speaker 2: first round pick most favorable from Denver and Orlando top

693
00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:01,440
Speaker 2: five protection through twenty seven. And it does turn into

694
00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:04,040
Speaker 2: two second rounders if not conveyed, but it's down the line.

695
00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:04,320
Speaker 3: Now.

696
00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:06,920
Speaker 2: We should note here this trade could not be completed

697
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:11,240
Speaker 2: until January sixth, when Jonathan Isaac's restriction lifts.

698
00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:12,240
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, so there is that.

699
00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:15,440
Speaker 2: There is that, But you know the reasoning here from

700
00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:18,520
Speaker 2: Dan Levine again opened the season, playing well enough to

701
00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:22,560
Speaker 2: maybe envision the Bulls getting some real value back despite

702
00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:24,600
Speaker 2: having a three year one hundred and what thirty eight

703
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:27,080
Speaker 2: million dollars left on his deal. He would level up

704
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:31,040
Speaker 2: the Magic's offense, and Chicago, in theory, is sort of

705
00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:33,400
Speaker 2: getting the equivalent of two first rounders here, right, the

706
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:37,880
Speaker 2: twenty five pick, and then Tristan de Silva, who's you know,

707
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:40,560
Speaker 2: is playing all right in limited minutes, but was obviously

708
00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:43,080
Speaker 2: a first round pick, and then you get the defensive

709
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:47,480
Speaker 2: stylings of Jonathan Isaac. What do you think here as

710
00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:48,080
Speaker 2: a Bulls fan?

711
00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:51,360
Speaker 3: As a Bulls fan, honestly, this seems pretty fair, okay

712
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:54,280
Speaker 3: of a trade, And I am a little sad that

713
00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:57,640
Speaker 3: a the December fifteenth deadline hasn't come where like everybody

714
00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:00,000
Speaker 3: that's signed is now eligible. And also, like you're saying

715
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:02,840
Speaker 3: in January sixth or the trade deadline is much further

716
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:05,920
Speaker 3: down the line. Will Zach Lavine still be shooting fifty

717
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:08,960
Speaker 3: percent from the field when it's actually trade season. We

718
00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:11,760
Speaker 3: shall see, But right now I think this is probably

719
00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:13,840
Speaker 3: about as good as the Bulls could do. You said

720
00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:16,840
Speaker 3: it's either Denver or Orlando's pick, right, so it's not

721
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:18,760
Speaker 3: gonna be good. No, it's gonna be in the twenties. Yeah,

722
00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:22,120
Speaker 3: most likely Da Silva is having a solid start to

723
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:24,760
Speaker 3: the season. Is an older guy, but a minor prospect,

724
00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:28,760
Speaker 3: so bad first minor prospect. I think that's fine for

725
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:31,080
Speaker 3: the Bulls in any pick where they get back or

726
00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:33,400
Speaker 3: any trade where they get back a pick for Zach Lavine.

727
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:35,800
Speaker 3: They should do it because in the summer it would

728
00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:37,800
Speaker 3: have cost him a pick to get off the contract.

729
00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:40,000
Speaker 3: But he's calm out, looking like a good player again,

730
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:42,960
Speaker 3: driving to the hoop, shooting the ball. The guy's a

731
00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:46,440
Speaker 3: good scorer and it'd be interesting to see him on

732
00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:50,600
Speaker 3: a good team. I wouldn't do it if I'm the Magic, though.

733
00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:53,040
Speaker 2: No, uh huh, okay, why talk me through that.

734
00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:56,560
Speaker 3: Paulo will be back eventually, Yep, Franzos hooping right now.

735
00:33:57,080 --> 00:33:59,640
Speaker 3: Levine is gonna want too many shots and he's gonna

736
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:01,320
Speaker 3: want to make decisions at the end of the game,

737
00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:03,800
Speaker 3: and I don't think it would be the ideal fit

738
00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:06,840
Speaker 3: for the Magic. They should go for somebody who's more

739
00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:08,759
Speaker 3: of a number three like Levine's gonna want to be

740
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:10,640
Speaker 3: at least a number two. So I would rather have

741
00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:13,440
Speaker 3: like a Dennis Shrewder if I were the Magic. Okay,

742
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:16,360
Speaker 3: but I can see the fit and you know, beggars

743
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:18,560
Speaker 3: can't be choosers. So if Levine is like the biggest

744
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:21,160
Speaker 3: perimeter player out there for the magic, I could see

745
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:24,160
Speaker 3: him taking a chance on it. But there are other

746
00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:25,440
Speaker 3: guys I would target if I were them.

747
00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:28,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, the thinking here for the magic side is like,

748
00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:31,520
Speaker 2: we suck at three point shooting. Yes, they're the worst.

749
00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:33,319
Speaker 2: They're the worst in the league. Right now, they rank

750
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:36,640
Speaker 2: thirtieth dead last. They're shooting like just above thirty percent

751
00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:39,120
Speaker 2: as a team. So yeah, Zach Lavine, that's one thing

752
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:41,120
Speaker 2: he can do. And it comes in stretches, you know,

753
00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:43,439
Speaker 2: it's it's hot for a month or two and maybe

754
00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:45,160
Speaker 2: leaves them for a bit, But right now he's hot

755
00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:48,160
Speaker 2: and he'll fire him up too. So there's that part.

756
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:51,319
Speaker 2: I assume you'd rather have Tristan de Silva than like

757
00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:55,799
Speaker 2: a Jet Howard, or maybe you would want another first

758
00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:57,880
Speaker 2: round pick, like protective first round pick in the future.

759
00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:00,879
Speaker 2: How would you play that? I think I would want

760
00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:01,400
Speaker 2: to Silva.

761
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:05,440
Speaker 3: But going on very much, Howard would be very funny

762
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:08,000
Speaker 3: because they drafted Jet Howard with one of the picks

763
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:11,040
Speaker 3: that the Bulls traded for Vucevic, So right that part

764
00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:14,080
Speaker 3: of it would be very funny to me. Neither of

765
00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:15,920
Speaker 3: them are that good, though. I think I would rather

766
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:18,440
Speaker 3: have Da Silva because he's a little bigger and Patrick

767
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:20,640
Speaker 3: Williams is out right now and the Bulls just need

768
00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:22,520
Speaker 3: somebody with size. Yeah, I guess the Silva is a

769
00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:23,520
Speaker 3: little better in that regard.

770
00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:26,319
Speaker 2: Okay, let's keep it moving here. We'll stick with the

771
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:30,320
Speaker 2: Bulls though. And I should say Dan approached every package

772
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:33,000
Speaker 2: as if the sort of spotlighted team is the one

773
00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:35,280
Speaker 2: proposing it, but again to try and make it realistic

774
00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:38,640
Speaker 2: where maybe both teams would consider. So this is Vucci, baby,

775
00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:42,600
Speaker 2: this is Vujovic headed to the Lakers, Bulls getting back

776
00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:46,160
Speaker 2: D'Angelo Russell, Christian Wood and then a twenty twenty five

777
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:49,719
Speaker 2: second round pick by way of the Clips. So Jake

778
00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:51,879
Speaker 2: Fisher of Bleacher Report has been saying for a long

779
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:54,040
Speaker 2: time that the top priority for the Lakers is a

780
00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:57,920
Speaker 2: talented big man, and vooj like I guess similar to

781
00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:01,880
Speaker 2: Zach Lavine has played well. He's shooting seventy seven percent

782
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:05,000
Speaker 2: at the rim on more volume than ever in his career,

783
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:10,320
Speaker 2: sixty two percent from mid range, forty eight percent from three. Oh.

784
00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:13,040
Speaker 2: So the idea is like the Lakers could probably use

785
00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:19,080
Speaker 2: him both independently or next to Anthony Davis. At times,

786
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:22,240
Speaker 2: there's a defensive trade off. I think when a Vooch's

787
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:25,000
Speaker 2: in your lineup, but maybe they can sort of hide him,

788
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:27,040
Speaker 2: so to speak, when you have ad and when Vanderbilt

789
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:29,200
Speaker 2: gets back and all that stuff. So okay, I say

790
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:31,160
Speaker 2: all that because I want your opinion on this one.

791
00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:34,040
Speaker 2: Vucevich to the Lakers for D'Angelo Russell would in the

792
00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:34,960
Speaker 2: second round pick.

793
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:38,640
Speaker 3: Call it in, call it in. I think this is

794
00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:43,880
Speaker 3: nice here the Lakers. This is a definite upgrade for them. Yeah,

795
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:48,320
Speaker 3: Vucevich instant scapegoat in La. If this trade happened, instant scapegoat.

796
00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:50,279
Speaker 3: He would help with the shooting. They're twenty fourth and

797
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:52,960
Speaker 3: three point attempts. Like you're saying vouch is having a

798
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:55,680
Speaker 3: good year shooting, He's going to shoot him. He is

799
00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:58,640
Speaker 3: going to be open. Last year they did not go in.

800
00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:00,960
Speaker 3: He was under thirty percent. He was like the worst

801
00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:04,120
Speaker 3: high volume three point shooter outside of Westbrook in the NBA.

802
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:05,879
Speaker 3: Oh he used to play for the Lakers. Yeah, he's

803
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:08,719
Speaker 3: escape good exactly. They don't have escape goat right now.

804
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:12,120
Speaker 3: D'angela Russell's playing too well. Yeah, they moved into the bench. Anyways,

805
00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:15,640
Speaker 3: he also rebounds, Butvic does, and the Lakers are twenty

806
00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:18,560
Speaker 3: first in defensive rebounding rates, so he would help there.

807
00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:21,600
Speaker 3: He doesn't help with defense, but like you're saying, he

808
00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:24,320
Speaker 3: was part of good defensive teams yep, with the Magic

809
00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:28,920
Speaker 3: playing alongside guys who were actual defenders in Jonathan Isaac,

810
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:31,360
Speaker 3: Eric Gordon was around at the time. So you know,

811
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:35,360
Speaker 3: maybe the Lakers can talk themselves into that. I personally

812
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:40,040
Speaker 3: wouldn't want D'Angelo Russell on the Bulls, but no route

813
00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:40,759
Speaker 3: him somewhere else.

814
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:43,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, and this is like an opening up cap space

815
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:45,880
Speaker 2: type of move, getting off Voch's deal. Yeah, you know,

816
00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:49,960
Speaker 2: because D'Angel Russell's well, he's done this year. His contract

817
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:51,840
Speaker 2: ye took he took the player option. He's like eighteen

818
00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:54,160
Speaker 2: million sign and all that BA. Really, I don't know

819
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:57,839
Speaker 2: what Christian Woods contract is right now. I can check.

820
00:37:57,840 --> 00:37:59,520
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, okay, it's expiring as well.

821
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:00,960
Speaker 3: He is off.

822
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:04,160
Speaker 2: So yeah, it's a it's a money move. It's opening

823
00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:05,880
Speaker 2: it up, it's getting off oos, it's getting yeah, a

824
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:08,319
Speaker 2: second round pick. Of course, you'd want a first round pick.

825
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:09,359
Speaker 3: But I don't know.

826
00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:10,120
Speaker 2: I don't know if.

827
00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:14,520
Speaker 3: Right now, clearing the contract would be good.

828
00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:18,440
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes, yes, and yeah, I don't mind this one.

829
00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:20,960
Speaker 2: I honestly don't. It's very realistic to me.

830
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:24,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, like the return is realistic.

831
00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:26,920
Speaker 2: And you know, maybe the Lakers wanting a player like him.

832
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:29,480
Speaker 2: I see it, I see the vision here, Dan. All right,

833
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:30,080
Speaker 2: let's get off.

834
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:32,640
Speaker 3: So how about this? Would you rather if you're the Lakers,

835
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:36,560
Speaker 3: would you rather have Voos or Peardle? Pardle maybe cost

836
00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:37,080
Speaker 3: you a pick?

837
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:40,399
Speaker 2: Maybe maybe the Raptors would love to get a pick

838
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:43,200
Speaker 2: back after they obviously gave to get him.

839
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:47,959
Speaker 3: Oh, he ain't a shooter. No, it's another inside guy

840
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:48,399
Speaker 3: for sure.

841
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:51,399
Speaker 2: But defensively he's a wrong much better and he moves

842
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:55,880
Speaker 2: the ball. Yeah, I think I want I think I

843
00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:58,080
Speaker 2: want Purdle. But I'm probably saying that as a bit

844
00:38:58,120 --> 00:38:59,680
Speaker 2: of a homer here because I wouldn't mind, you know,

845
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:01,879
Speaker 2: cash in on that right now, because he's cooking too.

846
00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:06,120
Speaker 2: There's roles for both of them can be talked into,

847
00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:09,319
Speaker 2: both of them working. Burdo would be less of like

848
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:10,600
Speaker 2: a scapegoat, that's for sure.

849
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:15,400
Speaker 3: Yes. Oh man, hey wait, I would feel bad for

850
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:19,160
Speaker 3: my man Booch. They'd be calling boiled Booch. No vote. Yeah,

851
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:24,480
Speaker 3: Lebron feeding him picking pops and clank clank clank clients.

852
00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:27,200
Speaker 2: I mean not right now, He's nearly fifty percent.

853
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:30,719
Speaker 3: Which only makes him when it counts the money in

854
00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:32,959
Speaker 3: the fourth quarter last year. Okay, let's go.

855
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:36,360
Speaker 2: Away from the Bulls here. Let's go to this Box

856
00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:39,280
Speaker 2: Rockets trade, which sort of stopped me dead in my tracks.

857
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:41,560
Speaker 2: Here from Dan at Bleach Tripper, I was like, huh, WHOA,

858
00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:45,400
Speaker 2: what's going on here? Okay, Bocks would receive Tarry Eason

859
00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:49,160
Speaker 2: and Dylan Brooks, and the Rockets would receive Chris Middleton

860
00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:53,680
Speaker 2: in a future first round pick twenty thirty one, top

861
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:56,880
Speaker 2: one protected, top one, and it would turn into a

862
00:39:56,960 --> 00:39:59,600
Speaker 2: couple second rounders if not conveyed, but you know, likely

863
00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:03,080
Speaker 2: Wood and they there being just top one protected. Here's

864
00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:06,719
Speaker 2: the thinking quote from Dan. Milwaukee desperately needs athleticism and

865
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:09,319
Speaker 2: perimeter defense, to name just a few things. Brooks and

866
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:12,719
Speaker 2: Esen are not the most explosive, but they deter and

867
00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:16,360
Speaker 2: they disrupt ball containment and the ability to force turnovers

868
00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:19,640
Speaker 2: go from a crippling weakness to his strength when you

869
00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:22,600
Speaker 2: put them into the fold. And then including that twenty

870
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:26,839
Speaker 2: thirty one first round requires the utmost faith that this

871
00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:29,640
Speaker 2: trade will work out enough to keep Jannis happy, because again,

872
00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:32,600
Speaker 2: you're sort of mortgaging the future even more. But the

873
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:34,560
Speaker 2: idea would be to improve your team to keep you honest.

874
00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:37,120
Speaker 2: I think I struggle from the rocket side of things.

875
00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:40,959
Speaker 2: Maybe with this one why they would do it, Like, yeah,

876
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:44,960
Speaker 2: he would help their offense without infringing upon others. His

877
00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:47,520
Speaker 2: contract expires as soon as the summer with a player option,

878
00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:50,960
Speaker 2: so like, you're not like you're not boxing yourself into

879
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:53,080
Speaker 2: a corner with Middleton, But then again, he hasn't played.

880
00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:57,080
Speaker 2: He's on a different timeline, but maybe that's good. I

881
00:40:57,080 --> 00:40:58,920
Speaker 2: don't know, what do you think? This is a big no,

882
00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:01,879
Speaker 2: big no sense both sides. Yeah, I don't think either

883
00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:03,640
Speaker 2: side should or would do this.

884
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:06,200
Speaker 3: The Bucks are excited about Chris Middleton coming back, they

885
00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:08,879
Speaker 3: I'll say, I didn't like them giving a Derek Rose

886
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:11,880
Speaker 3: update on his injury. He's cleared to play, he's physically fine,

887
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:15,439
Speaker 3: but he's basically keeping himself out now, is what it read.

888
00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:19,040
Speaker 3: I never like hearing that. But assuming Middleton comes back,

889
00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:22,200
Speaker 3: looks like Middleton, I think trading him is too big

890
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:24,279
Speaker 3: of a change for a Bucks team that has been

891
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:26,400
Speaker 3: searching for an identity for a year and a half,

892
00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:28,600
Speaker 3: and now you're going to trade the guy who's been

893
00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:31,239
Speaker 3: alongside Giannis won a title with him. That doesn't make

894
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:34,120
Speaker 3: any sense to me, especially to give back Tarry Easan,

895
00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:37,120
Speaker 3: who was good but still a bench player, and Dylan Brooks,

896
00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:40,919
Speaker 3: who is a polarizing player, and you know we've seen

897
00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:43,040
Speaker 3: what he's done on some teams that were supposed to

898
00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:45,160
Speaker 3: be contenders. From the Rocket side of things, I think

899
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:47,960
Speaker 3: Middleton is an upgrade, but I don't like trading a

900
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:51,120
Speaker 3: guy and Ethan who they like, Dylan Brooks, who's been

901
00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:56,680
Speaker 3: important to their identity for sure, and Middleton can be

902
00:41:56,680 --> 00:41:58,920
Speaker 3: a free agent this summer, they can easily leave. I

903
00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:02,480
Speaker 3: don't think that makes any sense. I think that the

904
00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:05,359
Speaker 3: Rockets could get somebody better than Chris Middleton if they're

905
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:08,080
Speaker 3: willing to trade a guy like Tarry Eason, put Dylan

906
00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:10,680
Speaker 3: Brooks in a package as well. They've got other young players,

907
00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:12,920
Speaker 3: They've got a ton of picks. They could get a

908
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:13,799
Speaker 3: bigger name than Chris.

909
00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:15,839
Speaker 2: You could reach a lot higher than a banged up

910
00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:17,600
Speaker 2: Middleton at that who obviously is getting up there. A

911
00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:20,040
Speaker 2: little bit of nage, I will say from Dan's article here,

912
00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:22,080
Speaker 2: because again this was a trade for every team he

913
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:26,040
Speaker 2: proposed one Tory Ethan, he was traded three times in

914
00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:28,719
Speaker 2: this column. He was traded to the Box as we

915
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:30,840
Speaker 2: just talked about, he was traded to the Sixers, and

916
00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:34,080
Speaker 2: he was traded to the Suns. So, you know, in

917
00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:36,520
Speaker 2: high demand and obviously a lot easier to move with

918
00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:39,479
Speaker 2: his contract as it is. Larry Dands Junior was also

919
00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:42,440
Speaker 2: traded three times in this column. He was traded to

920
00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:44,040
Speaker 2: the Calves, he was traded to the Thunder, and he

921
00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:46,239
Speaker 2: was traded to the Kinks. I just want to note

922
00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:49,080
Speaker 2: that there those were ones being moved around in this

923
00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:51,360
Speaker 2: a lot. All right, final one here, let's go to

924
00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:56,360
Speaker 2: those poor Pelicans. This was the proposed trade. The Grizzlies

925
00:42:56,360 --> 00:43:01,480
Speaker 2: received Brandon Ingram in exchange another Brandon. Would it be

926
00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:03,359
Speaker 2: the first Brandon for Brandon trade in NBA history?

927
00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:06,680
Speaker 3: I say yes, What about Brandon Knight, Brandon Jennings.

928
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:08,000
Speaker 2: What about Brandon rush for each other?

929
00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:09,359
Speaker 3: Oh? Were they I think they were?

930
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:12,239
Speaker 2: Oh damn, it will be the second Pistons. That sounds right.

931
00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:12,839
Speaker 3: I think they were.

932
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:15,720
Speaker 2: Somebody fact check us on that. Anyway, Grizzlies get Brandon Ingram,

933
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:19,320
Speaker 2: Pelicans would get Brandon Clark, Marcus Smart, Vince Williams Junior,

934
00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:23,360
Speaker 2: and the twenty twenty five first round pick, which is

935
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:27,759
Speaker 2: top eight protected through twenty twenty seven, and again one

936
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:29,680
Speaker 2: of these things that would turn into two second rounders

937
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:34,080
Speaker 2: if not conveyed. Dan says, quote max contract demands continue

938
00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:37,359
Speaker 2: to complicate his value across the league. We're talking about

939
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:40,000
Speaker 2: Ingram here. The Grizzlies are among the few teams you

940
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:44,360
Speaker 2: can talk yourself into needing and valuing Ingram enough to

941
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:47,920
Speaker 2: send New Orleans real value here, if you believe this

942
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:50,400
Speaker 2: is real value thoughts.

943
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:53,440
Speaker 3: I started fifty to fifty on this, but I think

944
00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:57,040
Speaker 3: I ultimately come down to the Grizzlies saying no, okay,

945
00:43:57,280 --> 00:43:59,560
Speaker 3: because I don't think they're gonna want to pay jaw

946
00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:03,720
Speaker 3: Jared Jackson Junior and then have to pay Ingram. Doesn't

947
00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:05,879
Speaker 3: make sense to me. That's not a team that's gonna

948
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:09,080
Speaker 3: win a title, right, and that's a very expensive team,

949
00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:11,440
Speaker 3: and they're giving away quite a bit. They love their

950
00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:14,000
Speaker 3: draft picks. Memphis is good at drafting. We just talked

951
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:16,399
Speaker 3: about it. If they really wanted Brandon Ingram, wait until

952
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:17,960
Speaker 3: the summer and sign them. Why give up anything.

953
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:20,400
Speaker 2: Sure, Sure, I mean I guess there is you're getting

954
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:23,320
Speaker 2: off of Smart's deal, which is one year about twenty

955
00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:27,680
Speaker 2: two million, Brandon Clark two years twenty five million. You know,

956
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:31,240
Speaker 2: Vince William Junior is injured. Yeah, it's a play for now,

957
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:33,239
Speaker 2: for sure, Like if you really believe you're where you

958
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:35,560
Speaker 2: are in the standings of the Western Conference and your

959
00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:38,400
Speaker 2: chances to go deep outing Ingram like, it's an upgrade

960
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:40,719
Speaker 2: if he's on that team right now. But I'm with you,

961
00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:44,080
Speaker 2: like long term plans like perplexing. I get it more

962
00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:47,319
Speaker 2: from the Pelican side because I don't like, like, I

963
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:50,000
Speaker 2: think this is actually pretty decent value for what I

964
00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:52,200
Speaker 2: actually think Ingram's gonna get personally.

965
00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:54,920
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I mean if they get a pick yeah

966
00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:57,440
Speaker 3: at pic Yeah, but I think it's smart for the

967
00:44:57,440 --> 00:44:59,200
Speaker 3: Pelicans to trade for three guys who have been hurt

968
00:44:59,239 --> 00:44:59,560
Speaker 3: this year.

969
00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:02,239
Speaker 2: They're like, hey man, They're like, come on there, you

970
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:02,880
Speaker 2: get hurt for us.

971
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:07,000
Speaker 3: That's fine. We'll get the number one pick, super Flag.

972
00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:08,880
Speaker 3: That's a great deal for them. We get Cooper Flag

973
00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:12,320
Speaker 3: in another pick and what probably the teens, I don't know.

974
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:15,919
Speaker 2: Yah, it's top pay protected in theory. So yeah, from

975
00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:19,600
Speaker 2: the from the Pelican's side. Sure, maybe not from the

976
00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:21,480
Speaker 2: Grizzly side. But those are four trades that I pulled from.

977
00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:23,239
Speaker 2: That column's a great column. I will make sure to

978
00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:25,040
Speaker 2: add it to the show notes if you want to

979
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:26,640
Speaker 2: click through and read that. Thanks the Dan for that,

980
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:29,720
Speaker 2: and let's hear your opinion on all of those. Okay,

981
00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:35,640
Speaker 2: pick them Tonight it's a Orlando in LA taking on

982
00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:38,239
Speaker 2: the Lakers. There's a back to back situation for the

983
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:42,600
Speaker 2: Magic and now you're not even playing in the same arena.

984
00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:45,719
Speaker 2: You gotta fight that LA traffic going from the into

985
00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:49,440
Speaker 2: It Dome to the Lakers Barn. The Lakers are favored

986
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:52,840
Speaker 2: by five and a half and that's why three of

987
00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:55,720
Speaker 2: the three of us here in the No Dunk's universe

988
00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:57,719
Speaker 2: are taking the Lakers. But I am swerving and taking

989
00:45:57,760 --> 00:45:59,359
Speaker 2: the Magic. What's you're using for LA here?

990
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:01,400
Speaker 3: I just think that they're on a little bit of

991
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:04,280
Speaker 3: a roll right now. They are a really good offense,

992
00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:07,759
Speaker 3: and though the I think the Magic have held teams

993
00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:10,000
Speaker 3: under one hundred and every single one of their wins

994
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:11,240
Speaker 3: in this six game winning.

995
00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:12,480
Speaker 2: Streak, which is over now.

996
00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:15,120
Speaker 3: But ye yeah, yeah, like they've looked pretty solid. But Uh,

997
00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:17,720
Speaker 3: I just think that the Lakers are rolling.

998
00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:20,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, Magic didn't look good last night, but a part

999
00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:23,040
Speaker 2: of that equation is a Clippers defense, no doubt. And

1000
00:46:23,080 --> 00:46:24,800
Speaker 2: they couldn't hit a three in which we talked about

1001
00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:25,799
Speaker 2: that's sort of their thing.

1002
00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:27,279
Speaker 3: Eh.

1003
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:29,359
Speaker 2: I got boxed into a corner here with this one.

1004
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:31,240
Speaker 2: For being honest. There are a lot of Lakers picks

1005
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:33,840
Speaker 2: in the dock this morning. When I jumped in, Okay,

1006
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:35,960
Speaker 2: I'll take the Magic, but hey, I just need them

1007
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:38,560
Speaker 2: to keep it close enough close game from Orlando gets

1008
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:40,680
Speaker 2: it done for me. These guys need the Lakers to

1009
00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:44,120
Speaker 2: win by six or more. Only four games on tonight

1010
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:50,520
Speaker 2: Piston's Hornets, Wolves, Raptors, Jazz, Spurs, and that Magic Lakers game.

1011
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:53,719
Speaker 2: So I think tomorrow on the Drop podcast, Ash will

1012
00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:56,680
Speaker 2: be here in studio. We'll do, of course, rapid Fire,

1013
00:46:57,880 --> 00:46:59,560
Speaker 2: and I think we could do like a one month

1014
00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:03,239
Speaker 2: in of check on the season. Ask some questions, Okay,

1015
00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:06,480
Speaker 2: maybe some wards, whatever, because really that's where we're at.

1016
00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:08,279
Speaker 2: One month into the season. Does it feel like it's

1017
00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:10,800
Speaker 2: to you longer shorter? Has it gone by in the

1018
00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:11,479
Speaker 2: blink of an eye?

1019
00:47:12,680 --> 00:47:15,000
Speaker 3: It feels like exactly one month to me?

1020
00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:18,680
Speaker 2: For Ash you're nodding away over the month.

1021
00:47:18,719 --> 00:47:20,480
Speaker 3: I'm like, they had twelve games ish, you know.

1022
00:47:20,719 --> 00:47:23,640
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, it just feels like it's been moving at

1023
00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:24,520
Speaker 5: their correct pace.

1024
00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:25,320
Speaker 3: Not too Fans.

1025
00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:29,040
Speaker 5: Just like, yeah, we're here almost Christmas.

1026
00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:31,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean we are almost to the holiday seasons

1027
00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:33,719
Speaker 2: here in the States for sure. Like next week for us,

1028
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:36,279
Speaker 2: we'll have a short week, yeah, because of Thanksgiving and

1029
00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:39,719
Speaker 2: then yeah check the guards and then of course Christmas

1030
00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:43,360
Speaker 2: right around the corner. Getting hyped for the Disney Dunk Contest.

1031
00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:46,960
Speaker 2: We'll do an entire show on that breaking down right

1032
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:49,680
Speaker 2: over the NBA Cup. Oh my god, the NBA Cup

1033
00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:53,759
Speaker 2: on tomorrow night some respect, tuesdays. Jeez, I forgot about that.

1034
00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:55,879
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, we're going to Vegas for the NBA Cup,

1035
00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:57,680
Speaker 2: at least for the semi well for the semi finals

1036
00:47:57,719 --> 00:47:58,200
Speaker 2: in the finals.

1037
00:47:58,280 --> 00:47:58,759
Speaker 3: Cup it up.

1038
00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:00,960
Speaker 2: We're cupping it up. We weren't there last year, and

1039
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:02,319
Speaker 2: people are like, you gotta be here.

1040
00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:04,640
Speaker 3: We said, not until it has a real name.

1041
00:48:05,160 --> 00:48:05,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right.

1042
00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:10,520
Speaker 3: They called it the in season Tournament last year. There's merch. Yeah,

1043
00:48:10,600 --> 00:48:11,800
Speaker 3: I wish I would have got a hat.

1044
00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:15,280
Speaker 2: Oh, it's said in season Tournament, NBA in season Tournament.

1045
00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:16,600
Speaker 2: So when we go out there, do you think you'll

1046
00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:18,719
Speaker 2: try and get an NBA Cup hat or sure they're

1047
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:19,160
Speaker 2: the same.

1048
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:24,359
Speaker 3: Oh wow, I'll stay the same for gangsters wearing our

1049
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:28,280
Speaker 3: INN season tournament hats. Imagine like a West Side story

1050
00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:31,080
Speaker 3: like fight between n Season tournament hats and NBA Cup hats.

1051
00:48:31,160 --> 00:48:35,359
Speaker 4: A all right, guys, so that we will be here

1052
00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:38,440
Speaker 4: tomorrow for the Drop podcast, so make sure you join

1053
00:48:38,520 --> 00:48:41,319
Speaker 4: us live at ten am Eastern later today though, if

1054
00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:43,160
Speaker 4: you're a Survivor fan, we got No Buffs.

1055
00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:46,839
Speaker 2: Nora will be making her way into the factory here

1056
00:48:46,920 --> 00:48:50,000
Speaker 2: to break it down with TK and I. Fun episode

1057
00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:52,920
Speaker 2: last night. I think there's lots to chew on, so

1058
00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:56,040
Speaker 2: we'll get into that. We had a guy wearing just.

1059
00:48:55,960 --> 00:48:58,760
Speaker 3: A vest, just a vest Cisco style.

1060
00:48:58,840 --> 00:49:02,959
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, saw in the Pouring Rain too. It really

1061
00:49:03,080 --> 00:49:06,000
Speaker 2: was like an R and BT sort of song. We'll

1062
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:07,960
Speaker 2: talk about that. We'll show you that on No Buffs.

1063
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:09,920
Speaker 2: So that's got It's on YouTube feeds, on podcast feeds,

1064
00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:11,960
Speaker 2: so make sure you check that out if you're Survivoran

1065
00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:15,520
Speaker 2: at one o'clock eastern. Okay, until then, Claire Brose, you

1066
00:49:15,560 --> 00:49:16,360
Speaker 2: heard it here first.

1067
00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:19,440
Speaker 3: Have a great time. Turn up love you guys awesome.

1068
00:49:19,560 --> 00:49:22,400
Speaker 3: Thanks for joining us and remember. On July thirty first,

1069
00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:27,040
Speaker 3: twenty thirteen, Brandon Jennings was traded by the Milwaukee Bucks

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Speaker 3: to the Detroit Pistons for Brandon Knight, Vashalav cruts Off

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Speaker 3: and Chris Middleton. Damn wow, Scott Swileon and a Brandon

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Speaker 3: for Brandon trade.

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Speaker 2: Good call on the Brandon for Brandon trade. That's why

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Speaker 2: you are a sick Oh my man, that's impressive.

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Speaker 3: I love slop he does.

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Speaker 2: Indeed brace today people