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Speaker 1: This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast

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Speaker 1: with iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Hey guys, welcome to the Almost Famous Podcast.

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Speaker 3: We have People editor People Magazine editor Dorry Jackson on

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Speaker 3: the zoom with us right now. And this is a

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Speaker 3: special episode because recently we heard that Ryan Gosling was

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Speaker 3: inspired by the men of the Bachelorette and he used

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Speaker 3: what he gathered from watching the show to create the

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Speaker 3: character of Ken, which he's now nominated for an Oscar for. So,

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Speaker 3: Dorry Variety did the interview, you guys did the write

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Speaker 3: up on it all tell us like, do you know

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Speaker 3: whether Ryan you specific guys or whether it's just like

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Speaker 3: the Bachelorette in general, the bacheloret and men in general.

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Speaker 4: So I don't know specifically if he drew inspiration from

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Speaker 4: particular guys which ones they were, But.

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Speaker 5: The proof is in the putting.

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Speaker 4: When you watch this movie and you look back on

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Speaker 4: it and you think about the Bachelor franchise, you can

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Speaker 4: just see it's so Bachelor coded. Yeah, we Broie ways

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Speaker 4: the guys are together, the ways in which the guys

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Speaker 4: are vying for Barbie's attention. It's so much like the

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Speaker 4: Bachelor Bachelorette franchise. And I don't know how I didn't

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Speaker 4: see it the first time, but when he said it,

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Speaker 4: I thought about it more and I was like, wait,

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Speaker 4: oh my goodness, this is wild.

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Speaker 2: Definitely a parody version of it.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but this connection between The Bachelor and the Oscars

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Speaker 4: is my new favorite Roman empire at this moment.

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Speaker 6: Okay, so how often do you follow like reality television?

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Speaker 7: In general?

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Speaker 4: I watch more than I should, probably, But I did

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Speaker 4: something recently that said those who watch reality TV actually

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Speaker 4: possess a high level of intelligence. So I'm gonna say

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Speaker 4: I'm a genius and anybody else watches reality TV's a genius.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Well that where did that come from? We needed the

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Speaker 3: person who wrote that study on our podcast next.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it was some scientific study that was done back

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Speaker 4: in twenty eighteen, and it just like resurfaced.

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Speaker 3: Interesting. Well, so this is the thing about Ryan, you know,

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Speaker 3: basing his character off of The Bachelorette. He's like, we're

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Speaker 3: dying to know whether or not he watches it regularly.

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Speaker 5: Well he said he guts.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, he was saying he loves to.

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Speaker 4: Bachel your franchise, he's watching it in that interview.

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Speaker 2: I need to know the names.

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Speaker 3: Then you know what I mean, Like, it's like, okay, Ran,

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Speaker 3: if you're tied in on it, like we need your opinions, like,

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Speaker 3: come on the podcast.

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Speaker 4: Maybe I don't know's it's probably kind of weird because

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Speaker 4: maybe he watched your Guys this season at one point.

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Speaker 2: You don't even know, That's what I mean.

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Speaker 3: Like, I'm dying to know whether he watched, well, specifically

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Speaker 3: for Jared, because Jared loves right. I mean, everybody respects

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Speaker 3: and loves it. But like that would be so freaking cool.

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Speaker 3: Do you think that?

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Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know where I was going.

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Speaker 6: With the curiosity I have here is you know, you've

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Speaker 6: you've talked about how he watches the show, how he

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Speaker 6: used the show to build into his character on the movie.

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Speaker 6: What I mean without reading the article. So let's pretend

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Speaker 6: that that article has never been read, because I'll be honest,

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Speaker 6: I haven't read the article, So I have no idea

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Speaker 6: that I am.

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Speaker 7: Here to learn from you.

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Speaker 6: What negative and positive like characteristics do you think he

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Speaker 6: could take from the characters on the show into his

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Speaker 6: Barbie role.

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Speaker 4: Oh gosh, well, in terms of the negative, I hate

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Speaker 4: to think about that first, but the first thing I

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Speaker 4: thought of is when the guys are kind of butting

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Speaker 4: heads for attention with Barbie, and we see that.

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Speaker 5: With Ryan's kN and Sema Leise Kim.

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Speaker 4: They were both butting heads for that attention early on

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Speaker 4: in moving before they found what did they find?

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Speaker 5: Was it like nail something?

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Speaker 4: But you know what I'm talking about, if you saw it.

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Speaker 4: They found that and then they all came together and

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Speaker 4: that it was that broie thing that we see that

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Speaker 4: guys are all bonding, they're getting together, they're shooting jokes

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Speaker 4: and all that. So I see those similarities there very much.

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Speaker 6: You make a good point because what I think of

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Speaker 6: when you're when you were explaining that, I was like,

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Speaker 6: you know, has there ever been in Bachelor history a

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Speaker 6: moment where like the bachelorette has walked into the mansion

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Speaker 6: like she's not welcome there. These guys are having a

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Speaker 6: good time on their own. The pool party's fine, okay, when.

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Speaker 4: The Clare season, I don't know, Yeah, I'm saying, like

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Speaker 4: everyone else is getting along, nobody's paying attention to me,

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Speaker 4: nobody cares, and I like having a couple of times

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Speaker 4: with the bachelorette, Like, I think guys can get into

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Speaker 2: I feel like Michelle did that too. She said the

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Speaker 6: Christ The Sutter actually was laughing about that when we

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Speaker 6: were having drinks at the Golden Wedding. We were just

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Speaker 6: hanging out, and she was like, I remember walking into

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Speaker 6: the mansion and all these dudes are looking at me like, hey,

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Speaker 6: what are you doing here? We're having a good time.

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Speaker 6: Please take this guy on a date so the rest

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Speaker 6: of us can hang out where we don't want to,

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Speaker 6: like sit in this room for too long because it's

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Speaker 6: nice outside. And she always that's what she like first

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Speaker 6: admired about Ryan was that he was kind of quiet,

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Speaker 6: a writer, you know, here to read a lot, but

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Speaker 6: he was always very excited to see her, and she

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Speaker 7: So maybe this is.

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Speaker 2: The girls do not act like that.

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Speaker 7: No, I never felt.

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Speaker 6: I mean, there was a moment when I was the

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Speaker 6: Bachelor in the Bahamas where I walked into the room

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Speaker 6: and I was like, I don't think I'm the one

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Speaker 6: after a really bad date. Everybody was super sick after

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Speaker 6: the swimming date. But that would be a terrible feeling.

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Speaker 6: That would actually be a fear of mine as the

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Speaker 6: lead on a show, going into then Ryan's character in

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Speaker 6: the Barbie movie where you and I when I watched

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Speaker 6: all this is changing and she's now the kid on

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 5: Well, Luckily, in Barbie's case, she never really liked Ken

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Speaker 5: little bit easier, But there's still those parallels though, for sure.

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Speaker 2: So do you think that.

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Speaker 3: I thought that when we first saw this article, I

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Speaker 3: he probably means that he was his role model was

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Speaker 2: A model.

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Speaker 3: I hadn't answer immediately on who would have been the

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Speaker 3: I tell you who I think it would have been.

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Speaker 3: But like, apparently no, he just he was more inspired

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Speaker 3: by the camaraderie between the guys and less of like

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Speaker 3: the one solo. Who do you think Dorry would be

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Speaker 3: like the Bachelor that he would have modeled it after.

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Speaker 4: I honestly don't know, because I just really see it

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Speaker 4: as the contestants mostly. I didn't do the lead in

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Speaker 4: Jordan back in the day on what.

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Speaker 3: Was it that Oh my gosh, well, it's more like

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Speaker 3: Jordan model himself after Ryan's character, even though you're right

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Speaker 3: Jordan didn't come well kind of first, I guess becausemble yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 4: It reminded me of that, like back in the day.

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Speaker 4: That was the first person I thought of, like the.

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Speaker 3: Saw hair spray to make it like, yeah, Jordan Kimball

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Speaker 3: would have been before his time, like he could have

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Speaker 3: been the guy. Yeah, you know Dorry, I think he

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Speaker 3: cracked the code that was the guy. Yes, I was

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Speaker 3: thinking about Sean from this past season, because Sean and

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Speaker 3: Jordan are very much similar characters.

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Speaker 6: This is where I get confused, Ashley, because you claimed

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Speaker 6: even with an interview with Sean, you're like, he isn't

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Speaker 6: You're not Ken like, but you get the Ken name,

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Speaker 6: but you're not Kim But now you're still associated with Ken.

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Speaker 2: Did I ever really say that I was just trying

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Speaker 2: to be nice.

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Speaker 7: I'm sure, Okay, fair enough.

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Speaker 6: This is such an interesting thing. It's always fun dory

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Speaker 6: when people that we admire admit to watching the show,

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Speaker 6: it for just to get their mind off of whatever

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Speaker 6: craziness is going on. But in this article, in the

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Speaker 6: notes here, Ryan makes a comment that Ken was the

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Speaker 6: hardest role he's ever had to play. Right, Yeah, that's

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Speaker 6: so interesting to me for so many reasons. But I

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Speaker 6: want to get your take on why you think with

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Speaker 6: all the things that Ryan's done from movies where he's

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Speaker 6: you know, emotionally, like really invested into, then Ken is

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Speaker 7: Why do you think that is?

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Speaker 5: Well, Ken is.

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Speaker 4: A doll, so that's part of it. There's no real

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Speaker 4: he had to kind of create this persona for Kim

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Speaker 4: Ken and make it his own, and that I think

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Speaker 4: he found that in The Bachelor. You know, a little

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Speaker 4: bit of research, he found his way and it works,

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Speaker 4: and here we are. He's now Best Supporting Actor nominated Oscar.

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Speaker 5: He could win.

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Speaker 4: I don't think he will, but it would be really

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Speaker 4: cool to be like, oh, yeah, he won.

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Speaker 5: Because he inspired his role face off The Bachelor.

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Speaker 7: Oh so good.

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Speaker 3: It's Jordan and Sean on the Beaches of Paradise. We've

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Speaker 3: cracked this code. Yes, they should feel really honored.

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Speaker 7: Well, And I was kind of confused.

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Speaker 6: You know, the team here at our podcast is very

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Speaker 6: excited about you coming on and talking about this and

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Speaker 6: talking about the article, but I was never It never

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Speaker 6: made sense to me on why this bachelor or Bachelorette

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Speaker 6: would be fitting for him to learn from. But with

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Speaker 6: your explanation, it makes complete sense to me now, because

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Speaker 6: it is it is a fraternity of guys kind of

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Speaker 6: butting heads, competing, for lack of a better term, trying

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Speaker 6: to make a name for themselves, trying to show up

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Speaker 6: so that they are recognized amongst the others, and trying

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Speaker 6: to come out ahead, which is exactly what this ends

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Speaker 6: up being when you watch the Barbie movie in the

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Speaker 6: role of kin. So it does make sense to me now,

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Speaker 6: and it's fascinating that this is where he went to

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Speaker 7: It's just very fascinating to me.

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Speaker 5: I mean, there's lots to be studied from the franchise, honestly, So.

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Speaker 7: I just spoke it. I just spoke at a college course.

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Speaker 7: I think Ashley spoke at this course too.

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Speaker 6: That literally is a whole course that studies behavior on

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Speaker 6: the show. Whatever season is airing, they watch it and

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Speaker 6: they analyze why people are doing what they're doing and

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Speaker 6: what's making them do that.

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Speaker 7: It's a whole college course.

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Speaker 2: I actually that makes sense human behavior.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, My senior year presentation for college for my communications

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Speaker 4: class was based off of reality TV dating shows in particular,

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Speaker 4: So there's lots to be studied with, you know, how

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Speaker 4: people think and move in that space. And I think

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Speaker 4: it really really worked well for Ryan taking that inspiration

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Speaker 4: from the Bacher of putting this into Barbie, the whole

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Speaker 4: Hembo culture.

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Speaker 5: It's all in Jordan.

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Speaker 2: I'm just to put out there. I thought it was.

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Speaker 3: I said last week, I was like, I think it's

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Speaker 3: Brad Wallmack if it was a lead, because isn't Brad

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Speaker 3: Walllmack just like a walking cat doll. Yeah, that's he's

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Speaker 3: like we haven't seen so much. We haven't seen much

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Speaker 3: of him in the past decade, but like when he

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Speaker 3: was a Bachelor twice, he was such a cun or

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Speaker 3: at least that's what I thought Ken was gonna be.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 2: Ryan definitely made it a little bit more like well

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Speaker 2: of a.

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Speaker 5: Jordan nuanced and all that. All.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, all right.

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Speaker 6: The uh Barbie Came to life. It's a great movie.

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Speaker 6: Obviously Ryan is up for their Award for Best Supporting Actor.

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Speaker 6: It's very exciting that this is coming full circle to

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Speaker 6: the Bachelor family and Bachelor Nation. It always feels like

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Speaker 6: dory to close out here. When the Bachelor seems like

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Speaker 6: it's going away, it finds new breath in either for example,

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Speaker 6: the Golden or this season with Joey and then Charity

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Speaker 6: supporting that he watched the show. I know there's people going, well,

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Speaker 6: if Ryan does it, I can.

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Speaker 7: Do it too. So it just keep staying alive.

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Speaker 5: No need to feel shame. The Bachelor franchise is and

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Speaker 5: always will be amazing.

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Speaker 7: So that's all right. Dorry, thanks for joining us. Awesome

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Speaker 7: awesome interview. Thanks for giving us.

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Speaker 6: Some insights into why Ryan Gosling chose the Bachelorette to

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Speaker 6: learn from For his role for Ken in the most

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Speaker 6: recent Bard movie. We really appreciate it, of course.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for having me see you, Dory. Thank you.

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