WEBVTT - Part One: Francisco Sabaté: Franco’s Public Enemy #1

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<v Speaker 1>Hello, and welcome to Cool People. Did Cool Stuff, your

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<v Speaker 2>I know, fifteen years. It's like a really nice dude.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh that's amazing. Okay, Well there's an almost as good

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<v Speaker 2>ad the James Stout.

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<v Speaker 1>James is probably most familiar, of course to listeners as

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I was gonna say.

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<v Speaker 2>I was going to say, uh.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so cool. Ian.

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<v Speaker 3>If that actually happens to.

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<v Speaker 2>You, will you please tell us?

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<v Speaker 2>I in turn walk away because to.

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<v Speaker 1>Do yeah exactly. Our theme music was written for us

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<v Speaker 1>by Unwoman. So this week I promise you dead fascists

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<v Speaker 1>right up at the top. You're going to get dead fascists.

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<v Speaker 1>But not just before or during World War two, because

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<v Speaker 1>fascism continued for decades in Europe after the end of

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<v Speaker 1>the war. In Spain, that is true. Yeah, yeah, real

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<v Speaker 1>long time.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I also promised. I also promised James that a plumber

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<v Speaker 1>and his brother were going to be off on a

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<v Speaker 1>quest fighting evil, and that part is true. Also, so

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<v Speaker 1>there's an awful lot of people who are firmly dedicated

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<v Speaker 1>to stopping fascism in Spain, even though the great world

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<v Speaker 1>leaders were no longer behind them. Right, it was easier

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<v Speaker 1>to be an anti fascist when the US and the

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<v Speaker 1>UK were like, here's a bunch of guns, please go

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<v Speaker 1>kill the fascists, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, even then they were very, very pretty tight with

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<v Speaker 2>the guns in the nineteen thirty six to nineteen thirty

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<v Speaker 2>nine era.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's true that today we're going to talk about

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<v Speaker 1>a band of brothers, if you will, three brothers. Mostly

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to talk about one of them. I'm waiting

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<v Speaker 1>to see when James is going to figure out we're

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<v Speaker 1>talking about a plumber by trade who spent decades robbing

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<v Speaker 1>and murdering fascists, raising gorilla bands and fighting for liberation,

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<v Speaker 1>trade unionism and anarchist cyndicalism. Because today we're going to

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<v Speaker 1>talk about the Sabate Brothers.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh hell yeah, this is going to be fun.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, especially we're gonna talk about Francisco Sabatae, also better

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<v Speaker 1>known during his life as El Kiko. Yeah, so you've

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<v Speaker 1>heard of the Sabota. Yeah, I have.

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<v Speaker 2>This is not an area in which I like most,

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<v Speaker 2>like resistance to Francoism stuff, I'm not as good on

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<v Speaker 2>I do. Like I'm reading Abel Pass's book about de

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<v Speaker 2>Ruti at the moment, which everyone should read, but one

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<v Speaker 2>of the most like you know they do that like

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<v Speaker 2>about the author section at the front.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so like the able Pass one is like able Paths,

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<v Speaker 2>like you know, it wasn't anarchist in Spain and then

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<v Speaker 2>like spent decades in jail after trying to assassinate a Francoist,

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<v Speaker 2>the best thing ever. And I was just like recently

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<v Speaker 2>reading about his personal history.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a lot of anarchist historians who absolutely put me

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<v Speaker 1>the shame.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, I've got like I've really let let everyone

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<v Speaker 2>down in that regard.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I at some point I should just do an

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<v Speaker 1>overview of anarchist historians who've like tried to kill Franco

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<v Speaker 1>because there's at least two off the top of my head.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, yeah, there's definitely yeah, yeah, yeah. Stuart Christie

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<v Speaker 2>was the other one I'm seeking. Yeah, yeah, there's more

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<v Speaker 2>than that. There were a few. Yeah, I was very

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<v Speaker 2>fortunate to be like the last generation of historians who

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<v Speaker 2>got to do history with the people who had spent

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<v Speaker 2>their formative years trying to blow up fascists.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, well fortunately anyway, uh, that will never happen again, totally.

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<v Speaker 1>The twentieth century doesn't. Just twenty first century doesn't look

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<v Speaker 1>like a.

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<v Speaker 2>Reno, stay sire. Yeah no, these twenties will be different. Yeah, yeah, absolutely,

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<v Speaker 2>in the thirties way better. Yeah, yeah, it's gonna be cool.

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<v Speaker 1>All right. So the Sabate family, yeah who I first

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<v Speaker 1>heard about because my friend shout out to my friend

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<v Speaker 1>whose cat is named Sabate. Yeah. Yeah, So they were

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<v Speaker 1>born in a sleepy town whose name I have spent

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<v Speaker 1>the last five minutes trying to pronounce James gin.

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<v Speaker 2>You Yeah, I think it's hospitality ore Gat.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I even in my mind I can pronounce okay,

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<v Speaker 1>Spanish and not much Catalan. But anyway, so they're from

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<v Speaker 1>the sleepy town, which is not actually a sleepy town

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<v Speaker 1>at all. It was a decent sized city outside of

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<v Speaker 1>Barcelona in Catalonia. There's a region in Spain that does

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<v Speaker 1>not want to be a region in Spain. In this town,

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<v Speaker 1>there was a cop and a housewife living together with

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<v Speaker 1>their kids. Manuel Sabate and Madrona Yo part Manual Sabate

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<v Speaker 1>worked for the Guardia Orbana de Barcelona de Barcelona, which

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<v Speaker 1>was under control of the mayor.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't have to that's a that's a castilianism. Ah.

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<v Speaker 2>So you see that's when Americans do the Barthelona thing.

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<v Speaker 2>They're actually wrong because no, no, that's great to know.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, yeah, it's a pretentious and being correct.

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<v Speaker 1>So you can great, everyone can yell at me about that.

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<v Speaker 1>But I learned, just like you all learned, that is great.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Barcelona is the only city in Spain I've spent any

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<v Speaker 1>time in and I was like, I know a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit of Spanish and people are like, that doesn't matter,

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<v Speaker 1>we don't take Spanish here, and I was like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>well fuck.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's a lovely city. People will be nice to you.

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<v Speaker 1>Actually yeah, people kind of were. Actually it was actually

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<v Speaker 1>very nice. Anyway, go ahead. The Guardia Orbana was under

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<v Speaker 1>control of the mayor. They used to back in the

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<v Speaker 1>day they went around with this is like the cops

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<v Speaker 1>would go around to a saber, a pistol and a rifle.

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<v Speaker 1>Until nineteen oh nine, when the quote tragic Week happened,

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<v Speaker 1>which we talked about this in our episode about Francisco

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<v Speaker 1>Fredare and the Modern School movement. Basically, there was a

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<v Speaker 1>general strike anarchists cops murdered a ton of people. In

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<v Speaker 1>the end, the cops demilitarized so they were allowed to

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<v Speaker 1>keep their guns, but no more sword and rifle, which

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<v Speaker 1>America could probably learn a lesson from.

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<v Speaker 2>It's the swords that they've been doing it with. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe just a sword, like I'd be okay with that.

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<v Speaker 2>I think, you know, it'd be progress. Yeah, yeah, it

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<v Speaker 2>would be a step. What if everyone else gets like

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<v Speaker 2>a pole arm?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, well no, I don't ask it's guns.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, Yeah, that's fine. Yeah, Cups are very brave, so

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<v Speaker 2>they would be fine with swords. It's a big thing

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<v Speaker 2>about is bravery.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think that's a big thing. And shooting people

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<v Speaker 1>in the back, which is hard to do with the sword.

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<v Speaker 1>So the father of our protagonists is a cup, Manual Sabote.

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<v Speaker 1>They had five kids, four boys and a girl. Three

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<v Speaker 1>of the boys that the people are gonna talk about today,

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<v Speaker 1>and they remaining two I don't know anything about. Unfortunately,

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<v Speaker 1>the oldest son was Jose Sabatetio part in Katalan naming

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<v Speaker 1>I guess the patrolineal family name and the matrolineal family

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<v Speaker 1>name or both part of the name, which is cool. Frankly, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>which just cool. He was born in nineteen ten, and

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<v Speaker 1>he's gonna weave in and out of the story. The

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<v Speaker 1>older brother Jose next is Francisco Sabato part who was

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<v Speaker 1>born in nineteen fifteen, and he is our main protagonist today.

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<v Speaker 1>He also went by the traditional Cotsalan nicknames for San Francisco,

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<v Speaker 1>which at first I was like, man, there's so many

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<v Speaker 1>nicknames for Francisco. But then as I've got further and

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<v Speaker 1>further into the story, I realized that everybody in this

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<v Speaker 1>story is named Jose or Francisco, so it makes sense

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<v Speaker 1>that they have a lot of nicknames. Yeah, Like the

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<v Speaker 1>reason there's a million nicknames for Margaret, he was Cisco

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<v Speaker 1>or Ciskette, or as he became famous as shit Under,

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<v Speaker 1>he was el Qiko. I have asked around and gotten

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<v Speaker 1>a Cottalan anarchist telling me it's basically just another nickname

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<v Speaker 1>for Francisco. But it's also a little bit of wordplay,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe because Kiko means kid in Catalan, which makes him

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<v Speaker 1>a badass. Robin hood with the name the kid.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, which is cool.

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<v Speaker 1>But I don't know if that was in t I'm

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<v Speaker 1>sure or not, But I like people.

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<v Speaker 2>Do enjoy a wordplay, especially if you're going for like

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<v Speaker 2>a pseudonym to do crime under.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's good to do a bit of word

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<v Speaker 2>play in there.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, sometimes it gets translated as guy. Also like the guy. Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm the guy. The dude. Pretty much, it's like it's

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<v Speaker 1>just the dude. He's gonna go on a fucking Robbie here.

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<v Speaker 1>They took different approaches to life. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, So

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<v Speaker 1>those are two of the brothers, and we have one

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<v Speaker 1>final brother who comes into the story. He's born way

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<v Speaker 1>the fuck later. He's born in nineteen twenty seven, which

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<v Speaker 1>for anyone who's paying attention is going to be a

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<v Speaker 1>big war in nineteen thirty six, nineteen thirty nine. And

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<v Speaker 1>so Manuel Sabato part that I don't think they say

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<v Speaker 1>the second, but you know, he's also named Manuel, was

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<v Speaker 1>born in nineteen twenty seven, and he's going to come

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<v Speaker 1>in and out. Al Kiko is our point of view character.

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<v Speaker 1>So we're going to trace his life as a kid.

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<v Speaker 1>He was willful. When he was seven, he was sent

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<v Speaker 1>to a send your bad kids to this place kind

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<v Speaker 1>of school, which was the Durround School run by Friars.

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<v Speaker 1>So it was a Catholic school. It actually just churned

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<v Speaker 1>out radicals, not because the Friars were cool, very specifically

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<v Speaker 1>the opposite of this.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's gonna say yet they traumatized kids into radicalism.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, exactly. The kids taught themselves to be cool and

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<v Speaker 1>learned a lot of lessons about how shitty authority is

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<v Speaker 1>because they kept getting beaten by the Friars all the time.

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<v Speaker 1>Also didn't really like cement any love for the Catholic

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<v Speaker 1>faith or church. So al Kiko sometime between the time

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<v Speaker 1>he's seven and ten, he's not even ten when he

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<v Speaker 1>pulls off his first prison break. He used quote an

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<v Speaker 1>improvised rope. I like to imagine bed sheets and a

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<v Speaker 1>tree to scale the wall and escape back to his parents.

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<v Speaker 1>And he basically shows up and he's like, don't fucking

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<v Speaker 1>send me back?

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<v Speaker 2>What the fuck?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god? And his parents are like, all right, fine,

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<v Speaker 1>we're not going to send you back. And I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know a ton about his family. The only thing I

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<v Speaker 1>know is that before the Civil War and all this

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<v Speaker 1>other shit, their father retires and is no longer a cop,

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<v Speaker 1>so it's least it's not like he's not like fighting

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<v Speaker 1>against his own kids at any point.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Someone else who went to this particular school, the Durand School,

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<v Speaker 1>was later became the general secretary of the CNT, the

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<v Speaker 1>anarchist union that did so much during the Spanish Civil War,

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<v Speaker 1>and the ex students of this place, they liked it

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<v Speaker 1>so much that during the Spanish Civil War they burned

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<v Speaker 1>it to the ground and it was never.

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<v Speaker 2>Rebuilt at standing. Good. Yeah, much that we can learn

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<v Speaker 2>from these young people.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So el Chico he went off and became an

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<v Speaker 1>apprentice plumber when he was ten. This was not in

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<v Speaker 1>any way abnormal for a working class kid to go

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<v Speaker 1>off and apprentice at ten. There was not a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of educational system available to the working class, except that

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<v Speaker 1>when he was fifteen or sixteen, he signed up for

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<v Speaker 1>the CNT, the Anarchist Union, which is biographer Antonio Teez

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<v Speaker 1>says he remained faithful to for the rest of his life.

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<v Speaker 1>Quote in spirit, if not in discipline, because yeah, go ahead.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. The CNT went through some moments in the twenties

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<v Speaker 2>and thirties with its sort of like splits between I

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<v Speaker 2>believe the CNT are the ones who are responsible for

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<v Speaker 2>the Red and Black flag with the distinction between anaclysm

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<v Speaker 2>and anarcosyndicalism.

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<v Speaker 1>I knew more about this somewhat recently. Oh no, no, no,

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<v Speaker 1>never mind. I knew more about the black flag. I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't know as much about the Red and black. That

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<v Speaker 1>would make a lot of sense to me.

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<v Speaker 2>Because you had like the hardcore anarchist and the hardcore

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<v Speaker 2>is around wood. Yeah, but we had the PI who

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<v Speaker 2>were committed to like a more pure form of anarchism

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<v Speaker 2>or yeah again purists are on word, right.

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<v Speaker 1>But right, Well, the FII, the FI were they were like,

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<v Speaker 1>this is about anarchism, and the rest of them narcosyndicus,

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<v Speaker 1>were like sure, whatever whatever gets us there.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's my big There was some specifically, there was

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<v Speaker 2>this manifesto at one point in these specific distinctions, which

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's not worth getting into.

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<v Speaker 1>Bit yeah, yeah, though the more hardcore and of course

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<v Speaker 1>Elki goes gonna end up one of them soon enough.

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<v Speaker 1>Around this time nineteen thirty one, Spain becomes a republic.

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<v Speaker 1>We talked about this way more in the Spanish Civil

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<v Speaker 1>War episodes from last summer. This was a step in

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<v Speaker 1>the right direction. But one of the first things that

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<v Speaker 1>the New Republican did. The New Republic did was they

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<v Speaker 1>literally mortared an anarchist bar called Casa de con Cornelio

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<v Speaker 1>on July twenty third, quote, three artillery pieces fired twenty

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<v Speaker 1>two high explosive shells into the old bar, reducing it

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<v Speaker 1>to ruins because anarchists met there, which is cool, because

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<v Speaker 1>these anarchists are a huge reason as to why there

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<v Speaker 1>ever became a republic, as far as they can tell

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<v Speaker 1>in the first place. Anyway, in archosentdiclust in nineteen thirty

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<v Speaker 1>two in the Purities declared anarchist communism. Basically like no

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<v Speaker 1>one's putting up with this shit, Like Spain is ready

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<v Speaker 1>to go. Some Anarchosyndiclusts in nineteen thirty two declared anarchist communism.

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<v Speaker 1>They abolished private property. For anyone who's listening, we've probably

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<v Speaker 1>gone over this before, but private property doesn't mean your

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<v Speaker 1>toothbrush or even your house. It means like larger scale

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<v Speaker 1>things that someone owns and then leverages, like landlording or

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<v Speaker 1>owning a factory or whatever. Anyway, this people are fucking starving,

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<v Speaker 1>right and they're like, well, we want anarchist communism instead

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<v Speaker 1>of to die, which is a I mean, makes less

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<v Speaker 1>sense to me. The Republic crushed the rebellion. They started

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<v Speaker 1>cracking down super hard. They deported a ton of anarchists

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<v Speaker 1>to South America. They started passing a law that lets

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<v Speaker 1>you murder anyone who runs from the cops, basically, which

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<v Speaker 1>is funny because it's like this big deal. It keeps

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<v Speaker 1>coming up over and over again Spanish history. They're like

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<v Speaker 1>leada fuga.

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<v Speaker 2>I thinkah, yeah, and it's like, holy shit. The cops

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<v Speaker 2>were allowed to shoot people who ran, and to include

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<v Speaker 2>people who they like released and were like run rue,

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<v Speaker 2>it is a step further. Yeah, that's rue. They did that.

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<v Speaker 2>That was how it was implemented on the ground.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah. Catalonia didn't actually just give up. Instead, they

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<v Speaker 1>kept rebell and the CNTFAI flag flew over a city hall.

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<v Speaker 1>So the state arrested and executed forty two people. And

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<v Speaker 1>it was during this time that our anarchist plumber Hero

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<v Speaker 1>the kid. I wish it was in Italy so I

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<v Speaker 1>could just call him Mario, but I can't. He started

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<v Speaker 1>really thrown down. The peasants in his town were on

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<v Speaker 1>strike because they had no food. So el Kiko, he's

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<v Speaker 1>like sixteen or seventeen, him and a friend just find

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<v Speaker 1>one of the big landlords who's starving everyone, take all

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<v Speaker 1>of his money by putting a gun in his face,

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<v Speaker 1>and give the money to the strike committee to get

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<v Speaker 1>distributed to the families who need it the most. And

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<v Speaker 1>that this more or less sets his expectations for how

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<v Speaker 1>to engage in struggle for the rest of his life. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>for thirty more years or so. Yeah, this is what

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<v Speaker 1>this man does.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's just again like I cainging back to that

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<v Speaker 2>past book, like the shit that these people got up to.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just like there's this one sentence paragraph in the

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<v Speaker 2>past book which is still my favorite sentences been written,

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<v Speaker 2>which is De Ruti had a great fondness to children,

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<v Speaker 2>which is why he risked his life robbing banks to

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<v Speaker 2>fund their education. Yeah, and they traveled all of like

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<v Speaker 2>he like goes to Cuba, goes to Mexico, like I think,

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<v Speaker 2>like the routine. Cuba tried to organize cane planters, and

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<v Speaker 2>the cane planters, like the cops tried to crack down him.

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<v Speaker 2>So he burnt down the house of the cane and

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<v Speaker 2>murged two people and was like, I have to leave

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<v Speaker 2>Cuba and never come back.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's herty won a lot of places in exactly

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<v Speaker 1>that fashion.

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<v Speaker 2>Just Shenanigans are outstanding.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, and uprisings are going in both directions. Unfortunately

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<v Speaker 1>during this time, the workers are like, let's have anarchist

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<v Speaker 1>communism and take care of each other, and the right

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<v Speaker 1>wing military is like, let's have a dictatorship. So with

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<v Speaker 1>the Republican here in the middle being like, well, both

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<v Speaker 1>sides have valid points.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the Catalan Republicans did their own little uprising as well,

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<v Speaker 2>and the anarchists stayed out and the military showed up

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<v Speaker 2>and yeah, pretty much host him in the streets.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Lots of people died during protests and struggles. Apparently

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<v Speaker 1>the anarchists kind of saved the republic along the way

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<v Speaker 1>by stopping a military coup in Seville.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and like a number yeah and again in nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>thirty six, right.

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<v Speaker 1>Like yeah, yeah, yeah, we'll get to that one. Yeah yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. It's this kind of tragic story, and they could

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<v Speaker 2>have be the cat Lands would have been successful in

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<v Speaker 2>October nineteen thirty four if the anarchists had not been

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<v Speaker 2>like Nadog, Like, you guys haven't been there for us,

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<v Speaker 2>going to be there for you.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, which I I'll put that one on the Republic. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that is squarely on them for shooting us a lot.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, have you heard about this this leftist ruby Ridge,

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<v Speaker 1>this anarchist Ruby Ridge that happened in nineteen thirty three.

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<v Speaker 2>Casas v Hus. Yeah, yeah, the say status is the

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<v Speaker 2>guy right like six Yeah? Yeah, so great book, Anarchist

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<v Speaker 2>of Castles vi Hus.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh okay, no, I didn't. I only this I found

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<v Speaker 1>like this is like really briefly mentioned in the biography

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<v Speaker 1>I read, and so then I looked up to a

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<v Speaker 1>couple other things about it too, But I have the

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<v Speaker 1>version of it I have, and please fill in any

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<v Speaker 1>details or any overall things that you think are missing.

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<v Speaker 1>So there's a seventy year old anarchist named Sa Stato's

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<v Speaker 1>six fingers, and he barricades himself inside of a farmhouse

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<v Speaker 1>because the cops wanted to arrest them for having a

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<v Speaker 1>protest where some cops had been injured. And when I

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<v Speaker 1>say protest, they were trying to have a revolution, right yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>And some cops got injured, and so a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>people flee town and a bunch of anarchists go hide

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<v Speaker 1>in Sea Statos's house, so the Republic bombs the building

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<v Speaker 1>or sets fire to it, depending on which source I read, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and killed twenty four people. One source was like, killed

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<v Speaker 1>the twenty four people who were hold up inside the house,

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<v Speaker 1>and one source says after they killed a bunch of

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<v Speaker 1>people inside the house, they went around and they found

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<v Speaker 1>everyone in town who owned a gun and then murdered them,

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<v Speaker 1>which really does make it the dar guess Ruby.

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<v Speaker 2>Ridge, Yeah, wow, Yeah, that's what the nray have been

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<v Speaker 2>freaking out about.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. The only one. Only one anarchist is known to

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<v Speaker 1>have survived this survived the farmhouse. She was an eighteen

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<v Speaker 1>year old named Maria Silver Cruise, and she walked out

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<v Speaker 1>with a child in her arms and was like, please

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<v Speaker 1>don't murder us, And so she wasn't murdered by the

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<v Speaker 1>state until three years later when she was murdered by

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<v Speaker 1>the Fascist state for being an anarchist during the Spanish

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<v Speaker 1>Civil War three years later. The whole incident, the farmhouse incident,

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<v Speaker 1>was a major part of the left in Spain being like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what, fuck the government kind of the thing

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<v Speaker 1>that you're talking about here where they're like we we're

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<v Speaker 1>not on your side. You you ruby ridged us and

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<v Speaker 1>that's not even a thing yet.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, they'd pro to ruby read only.

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<v Speaker 1>They were fighting for freedom for all people instead of

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<v Speaker 1>white supremacy.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, yeah they were. They were guilty of you

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<v Speaker 2>know what was the other guy? He cut down a

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<v Speaker 2>shotgun barrel, right, yeah, and yeah and hung out with

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<v Speaker 2>terrible hupils.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the fire stories of one. I've heard that they've

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<v Speaker 2>set it on fireing a machineun any he tried to

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<v Speaker 2>run out.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah that that makes sense. Cool, but you know what

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<v Speaker 1>machine guns down prices?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh no, is it? Chicha Chumbo? Said Ronald Reagan. I

0:20:21.640 --> 0:20:23.199
<v Speaker 2>feel like we don't say enough, Like we do have

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<v Speaker 2>the Ronald Reagan coin out of that, but we're also

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<v Speaker 2>glad he's dead.

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<v Speaker 1>Unless you're listening to this on coolers.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, no ads, then you just got to hear that

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<v Speaker 3>fun ad pivot and no ads win when really, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>You got reminded that ron of Reagan is dead. So

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<v Speaker 2>you still had a good day. You're welcome, Margaret, that

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<v Speaker 2>you too. Fucking death comes first.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah soon, there's only one Margaret. No, that's not true.

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<v Speaker 2>My mom's name is Margaret and my aunt's my family.

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<v Speaker 1>While the people who hate listen are trying to dox

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<v Speaker 2>Do you think they got that far? Do they get

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<v Speaker 2>this deep? The hate listeners?

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<v Speaker 1>That's one of the things that's so nice about podcasting

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<v Speaker 1>is I feel like people don't hate listen to podcasts

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<v Speaker 1>as much as they like hate. Hit control f to

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<v Speaker 3>Remember like remember like when Twitter first came out with

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<v Speaker 3>that button where it's like, maybe you want to read

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<v Speaker 3>the article instead of just retweeting it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, apply to podcasting.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So the two Sabata brothers, the older brother, Jose who's

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<v Speaker 1>an old man now he's twenty two, and al Kiko.

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<v Speaker 1>They in some other form los novatos, which it means

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<v Speaker 1>the rookies or the apprentices, but it also sort of

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<v Speaker 1>means the new or as Google wants to suggest, then newbies.

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<v Speaker 2>I love that. Yes, the nubes, So.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what we're going to use. They're the nubes because

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<v Speaker 1>it's the funniest. They form an action group. This is

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<v Speaker 1>like a thing that is a big part of a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of anarchist resistance throughout time is action groups, essential

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<v Speaker 1>affinity groups that people get together and are like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>we have shared values and want to get some shit done.

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<v Speaker 1>So they formed the Nubes, and they immediately throw themselves

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<v Speaker 1>into the struggle. They join some of these uprisings. They

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<v Speaker 1>keep trying to declare anarchist communism. They're in the Fia FAI,

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<v Speaker 1>the Five, which is the more anarchist core, the larger

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<v Speaker 1>anarchos Cinclist union, the C ANDT, and they are training

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<v Speaker 1>in the woods. But how to fight and blow shit up?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, it's a way.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. And their first gun fight is actually when the

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<v Speaker 1>cops try and break that up, they get away. I

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<v Speaker 1>think no one's heard on either side.

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<v Speaker 2>A lot of these gunfights just seemed to be like,

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<v Speaker 2>h like a paintball tier kind of engagement. Why people

0:23:05.040 --> 0:23:07.040
<v Speaker 2>just shoot at each other and no one gets hurt.

0:23:07.280 --> 0:23:09.000
<v Speaker 1>Which I mean is kind of a like don't come

0:23:09.000 --> 0:23:10.480
<v Speaker 1>any closer thing, right.

0:23:10.800 --> 0:23:13.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, a lot of people with really shit weapons

0:23:13.800 --> 0:23:16.360
<v Speaker 2>firing at each other from a really long way away. Yeah.

0:23:16.640 --> 0:23:18.439
<v Speaker 1>Whenever. Like some of the first pieces I ever did

0:23:18.520 --> 0:23:21.480
<v Speaker 1>were about like the nineteenth century nihilist who's kept trying

0:23:21.520 --> 0:23:23.320
<v Speaker 1>to kill this zar and all of the more bad shots.

0:23:23.560 --> 0:23:25.800
<v Speaker 1>And I kept thinking to myself, by the time the

0:23:25.880 --> 0:23:30.040
<v Speaker 1>nineteen thirties roll around, anarchists are not bad shots anymore. Yeah,

0:23:30.040 --> 0:23:33.640
<v Speaker 1>they've been practicing, Yeah they've some of these the Sabate

0:23:33.640 --> 0:23:38.359
<v Speaker 1>Brothers in particular, pull off some ridiculous shooting at various points,

0:23:38.400 --> 0:23:43.440
<v Speaker 1>but not during this particular engagement. So in nineteen thirty three,

0:23:43.480 --> 0:23:46.399
<v Speaker 1>more villages declare for anarchist communism. The Nubes show up,

0:23:46.400 --> 0:23:48.880
<v Speaker 1>they throw down, the revolt is crushed. The CNT leadership

0:23:48.920 --> 0:23:51.639
<v Speaker 1>gets all arrested. This happens so many times during this story.

0:23:51.760 --> 0:23:55.640
<v Speaker 1>Is all of the CNT leadership get arrested or whatever. Yeah, yeah,

0:23:55.880 --> 0:23:59.479
<v Speaker 1>which is one of the cool things about anarchism is

0:23:59.640 --> 0:24:01.320
<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's sucks, but if you can arrest all

0:24:01.359 --> 0:24:03.879
<v Speaker 1>other leaders, this kind of doesn't totally.

0:24:04.080 --> 0:24:06.399
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they had a big thing. It's really interesting to

0:24:06.560 --> 0:24:10.440
<v Speaker 2>like listen to speeches of that time because it's even

0:24:10.440 --> 0:24:13.119
<v Speaker 2>distinct from like the anarchism we talk about today. And

0:24:13.160 --> 0:24:17.440
<v Speaker 2>it went like they'll be likes because other anarchists would

0:24:17.440 --> 0:24:19.239
<v Speaker 2>come to look at the Spanish anarchists and they'd be

0:24:19.280 --> 0:24:20.919
<v Speaker 2>like that was a really good speech, Like he had

0:24:20.920 --> 0:24:23.560
<v Speaker 2>a real bango. Why didn't everyone clap? And then they'd

0:24:23.560 --> 0:24:25.680
<v Speaker 2>be like, well, we don't want to engage in leaderism here,

0:24:25.720 --> 0:24:28.560
<v Speaker 2>and so by being here and paying attention, they're showing

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<v Speaker 2>their support.

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<v Speaker 3>Damn.

0:24:32.960 --> 0:24:35.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but sure it has to be because these people

0:24:36.080 --> 0:24:38.080
<v Speaker 2>knew that they would spend like fifty percent of their

0:24:38.160 --> 0:24:39.280
<v Speaker 2>lives in prison.

0:24:39.520 --> 0:24:42.080
<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, totally or just die the next day.

0:24:42.560 --> 0:24:44.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah. They were being killed a lot too.

0:24:44.720 --> 0:24:48.600
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. El Kiko got arrested for his first time just

0:24:48.640 --> 0:24:51.320
<v Speaker 1>hanging out outside of an anarchist bar, but the charges

0:24:51.359 --> 0:24:54.679
<v Speaker 1>didn't stick. Three days later he was out. In nineteen

0:24:54.720 --> 0:24:57.159
<v Speaker 1>thirty four, the Nubes ran around and they gathered up

0:24:57.200 --> 0:24:59.920
<v Speaker 1>all the guns that were abandoned by retreating soldiers during

0:25:00.040 --> 0:25:04.960
<v Speaker 1>a nationalist uprising. Like, yeah, this is the this is

0:25:04.960 --> 0:25:06.600
<v Speaker 1>what this is what I'm talking to you about. This

0:25:06.680 --> 0:25:11.240
<v Speaker 1>was the they when the Catalan Republicans A. Yeah, okay,

0:25:11.400 --> 0:25:13.800
<v Speaker 1>I'm guessing no that that makes the most sense.

0:25:13.920 --> 0:25:14.120
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:25:14.119 --> 0:25:17.880
<v Speaker 1>I was like reading this and I'm like, man, there's

0:25:18.040 --> 0:25:20.800
<v Speaker 1>so much that happened during these like six years that

0:25:20.920 --> 0:25:22.440
<v Speaker 1>like anyway.

0:25:22.200 --> 0:25:24.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, that's why he said they never cemented down

0:25:24.800 --> 0:25:27.840
<v Speaker 2>the cobblestone to Barcelona because people were always just putting

0:25:27.840 --> 0:25:29.080
<v Speaker 2>them up to make barricades. Again.

0:25:29.200 --> 0:25:32.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and stock probably in all these guns does them

0:25:32.840 --> 0:25:34.439
<v Speaker 1>a lot of good, because these are some of the

0:25:34.440 --> 0:25:36.320
<v Speaker 1>guns that they use to stop a fascist coup. A

0:25:36.359 --> 0:25:40.200
<v Speaker 1>few years later, in nineteen thirty five, al Kiko meets

0:25:40.200 --> 0:25:44.359
<v Speaker 1>the woman he will marry, Leona and Casteez Marty, who

0:25:44.400 --> 0:25:47.639
<v Speaker 1>frustratingly enough, is only mentioned occasionally in the biography that

0:25:47.720 --> 0:25:50.680
<v Speaker 1>I read, But as far as I can tell, he

0:25:50.760 --> 0:25:53.199
<v Speaker 1>seems good to her, trusts her, involves her in his

0:25:53.320 --> 0:25:56.720
<v Speaker 1>life better than some of the historical anarchists men that

0:25:56.720 --> 0:26:01.600
<v Speaker 1>I've read about. Frankly, I think that the person who

0:26:01.680 --> 0:26:06.160
<v Speaker 1>wrote the biography, Sabote, does not think incredibly highly of women,

0:26:06.240 --> 0:26:07.800
<v Speaker 1>and I had to do a lot of research to

0:26:07.960 --> 0:26:12.000
<v Speaker 1>fill in the gaps in the history where women did things.

0:26:12.960 --> 0:26:15.919
<v Speaker 2>It's disappointing Spanish anarchists have generally been much better in

0:26:16.000 --> 0:26:16.840
<v Speaker 2>gender terms.

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<v Speaker 1>No, totally. I was like, I was talking about this

0:26:19.320 --> 0:26:21.919
<v Speaker 1>with someone earlier today, and we were talking about how, like,

0:26:22.880 --> 0:26:24.200
<v Speaker 1>you know, you got to kind of grade on a

0:26:24.240 --> 0:26:26.199
<v Speaker 1>curve when you talk about like feminism and history. But

0:26:26.280 --> 0:26:29.600
<v Speaker 1>anarchists in Spain were ahead of that curve overall. Yeah,

0:26:29.600 --> 0:26:34.040
<v Speaker 1>in the nineteen thirties and forties, well, thirties, mostly in

0:26:34.160 --> 0:26:37.000
<v Speaker 1>nineteen forties they're mostly dead or in France, as we'll

0:26:37.040 --> 0:26:41.239
<v Speaker 1>talk about, or Mexico. Yeah, fair enough. And so then

0:26:41.240 --> 0:26:44.400
<v Speaker 1>it's like particularly annoying that this biography is like Noddingrea.

0:26:44.680 --> 0:26:45.639
<v Speaker 1>A lot of the women.

0:26:45.920 --> 0:26:48.720
<v Speaker 2>Super disappointing, like even like I know, at points in

0:26:48.720 --> 0:26:50.960
<v Speaker 2>his life to Ruchie was a house husband because his

0:26:51.480 --> 0:26:54.320
<v Speaker 2>partner earned more than him. Yeah, so he stayed stayed

0:26:54.359 --> 0:26:56.600
<v Speaker 2>home and looked after the kids, like yeah. And of

0:26:56.640 --> 0:27:01.160
<v Speaker 2>course women for in the anarchists militia legally initially, and

0:27:01.600 --> 0:27:05.560
<v Speaker 2>they had they loved, some rejected marriage even like Republican

0:27:05.600 --> 0:27:10.080
<v Speaker 2>Catalonia had the right to abortion and yeah, divorce like yeah,

0:27:10.119 --> 0:27:12.640
<v Speaker 2>which is relatively unusual with the Tony Yeah.

0:27:12.680 --> 0:27:17.840
<v Speaker 1>And then h yeah good and frank good feminism and

0:27:17.920 --> 0:27:19.359
<v Speaker 1>then and then fascism.

0:27:19.440 --> 0:27:21.879
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, bad history, I guess.

0:27:22.040 --> 0:27:26.000
<v Speaker 1>And speaking of fascism. On July eighteenth, nineteen thirty six,

0:27:26.240 --> 0:27:29.080
<v Speaker 1>Spain had a civil war. If you want to hear

0:27:29.119 --> 0:27:30.840
<v Speaker 1>more about that, you can listen to James tell me

0:27:30.920 --> 0:27:35.600
<v Speaker 1>about this particular part of it, and Jose and Alkiko

0:27:35.720 --> 0:27:37.920
<v Speaker 1>are alight, all right, sign me up. Let's go. Let's

0:27:37.920 --> 0:27:41.840
<v Speaker 1>go fucking fight the fascist only Actually, the Nubs started

0:27:41.880 --> 0:27:44.879
<v Speaker 1>working a couple of days ahead of time, because anti

0:27:44.880 --> 0:27:48.520
<v Speaker 1>fascist intelligence, I think is sometimes better than state intelligence

0:27:48.520 --> 0:27:51.840
<v Speaker 1>attracking fascists. Yeah, the anarchist in Barcelona knew that this

0:27:51.920 --> 0:27:54.439
<v Speaker 1>was this was happening, So a few days before the

0:27:54.480 --> 0:27:59.399
<v Speaker 1>Sabate brothers, Sabate Brothers and others just went around and

0:27:59.480 --> 0:28:03.560
<v Speaker 1>rated houses and stole all their guns and shit. Yeah,

0:28:03.600 --> 0:28:06.080
<v Speaker 1>which rules, thanks for the loot box.

0:28:08.280 --> 0:28:12.160
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. The all the German anarchists who have been exiled

0:28:12.240 --> 0:28:14.399
<v Speaker 2>living in Barcelona were like, you know, there are some

0:28:14.520 --> 0:28:16.600
<v Speaker 2>Nazis in that house, and they guarantee they have a

0:28:16.600 --> 0:28:18.480
<v Speaker 2>shit ton of guns. And they found a ship ton

0:28:18.520 --> 0:28:20.800
<v Speaker 2>of guns. They got like a big machine gun that

0:28:20.840 --> 0:28:22.680
<v Speaker 2>they put in the back of a truck and proceeded

0:28:22.680 --> 0:28:28.159
<v Speaker 2>to use a technical and by the time the actual coupstar.

0:28:27.800 --> 0:28:29.919
<v Speaker 1>Tube, which is a thing we're thinking about when we

0:28:29.920 --> 0:28:32.320
<v Speaker 1>think about how disproportionately armed the right and the left

0:28:32.320 --> 0:28:33.560
<v Speaker 1>doar in the United States.

0:28:34.240 --> 0:28:37.080
<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, yeah, Mark Boxes.

0:28:37.240 --> 0:28:41.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So the fascist stage a coup anyhow, or they tried.

0:28:41.760 --> 0:28:46.120
<v Speaker 1>The fascist Franco invaded his own country. In Barcelona, anarchists

0:28:46.120 --> 0:28:49.640
<v Speaker 1>and the cops stopped the together, sort of not together,

0:28:49.720 --> 0:28:52.560
<v Speaker 1>but the two of them stopped the fascist coup. Yeah,

0:28:52.840 --> 0:28:54.920
<v Speaker 1>see lots of episodes of that. We've done about that.

0:28:55.840 --> 0:28:58.000
<v Speaker 1>Soon the Sabote brothers and the rest of the Nubes

0:28:58.080 --> 0:29:01.040
<v Speaker 1>joined the anarchists militias and go off to the front.

0:29:02.200 --> 0:29:05.160
<v Speaker 1>Olkiko decided that he was going to stop cutting his

0:29:05.240 --> 0:29:08.120
<v Speaker 1>hair and his beard until Spain was free of fascists.

0:29:08.640 --> 0:29:12.160
<v Speaker 1>Oh I can really get behind that. Yeah, because he's

0:29:12.160 --> 0:29:13.800
<v Speaker 1>like twenty or what, remember his rules. I'm just so

0:29:13.880 --> 0:29:14.239
<v Speaker 1>into it.

0:29:14.320 --> 0:29:14.560
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:29:14.640 --> 0:29:15.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:29:15.880 --> 0:29:18.160
<v Speaker 1>This led to a bunch of shit where people assumed

0:29:18.160 --> 0:29:20.200
<v Speaker 1>he was one of the Russians who had come to help.

0:29:21.880 --> 0:29:22.440
<v Speaker 2>Amazing.

0:29:22.880 --> 0:29:25.520
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So people would come up and practice their Russian

0:29:25.560 --> 0:29:29.320
<v Speaker 1>on him and he'd be like what.

0:29:29.880 --> 0:29:30.040
<v Speaker 2>Look.

0:29:30.600 --> 0:29:36.640
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And because he's really cool, he stole some rich

0:29:36.680 --> 0:29:41.200
<v Speaker 1>assholes super expensive fancy sports car then and he was

0:29:41.280 --> 0:29:43.960
<v Speaker 1>like they were like, oh, we need we need cars

0:29:44.040 --> 0:29:45.720
<v Speaker 1>to get to the front, but we need to steal

0:29:45.760 --> 0:29:47.600
<v Speaker 1>them from rich people. So he goes and steals this

0:29:47.720 --> 0:29:50.560
<v Speaker 1>like fancy sports car and then they're like, what are

0:29:50.560 --> 0:29:52.800
<v Speaker 1>you gonna do with a sports car? So he cuts

0:29:52.800 --> 0:29:55.040
<v Speaker 1>the back half of it off and welds it to

0:29:55.120 --> 0:29:56.400
<v Speaker 1>a truck to make a van.

0:29:58.840 --> 0:30:03.240
<v Speaker 2>Amazing, And this is his chad.

0:30:03.240 --> 0:30:05.520
<v Speaker 1>For the rest of the war. This is what he's

0:30:05.600 --> 0:30:10.800
<v Speaker 1>cruising around him on this thing. Yeah.

0:30:10.840 --> 0:30:11.800
<v Speaker 2>I mean, wouldn't we all?

0:30:12.040 --> 0:30:14.240
<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

0:30:14.600 --> 0:30:18.479
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Wow. This is what you get when you give

0:30:18.480 --> 0:30:20.360
<v Speaker 2>people a prenticeship at the age of ten and a

0:30:20.880 --> 0:30:22.880
<v Speaker 2>rifle and an address of rich people.

0:30:22.960 --> 0:30:26.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, totally, and they act and actually moral cause that

0:30:27.000 --> 0:30:28.000
<v Speaker 1>is worth fighting for.

0:30:28.720 --> 0:30:31.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's constant human Yeah.

0:30:31.560 --> 0:30:33.280
<v Speaker 1>And he also and one of the things that comes

0:30:33.360 --> 0:30:35.760
<v Speaker 1>up around this time too, is that al Kiko is

0:30:35.880 --> 0:30:39.560
<v Speaker 1>not bloodthirsty. He kills a bunch of people in this story, right,

0:30:40.000 --> 0:30:44.480
<v Speaker 1>but right away he's like the enemy is fascism and

0:30:44.760 --> 0:30:48.000
<v Speaker 1>he is opposed to needless violence. He actually during the

0:30:48.000 --> 0:30:51.480
<v Speaker 1>war hid some anti fascist members of the upper class

0:30:51.800 --> 0:30:54.080
<v Speaker 1>from the non anarchist Republicans who are trying to kill

0:30:54.120 --> 0:30:56.800
<v Speaker 1>them for being rich. This is the best I can

0:30:56.840 --> 0:31:00.280
<v Speaker 1>parse out. Yeah, And basically it's like, this is about

0:31:00.280 --> 0:31:03.200
<v Speaker 1>redistributing wealth, not murdering people. And there's something that I've

0:31:03.200 --> 0:31:04.560
<v Speaker 1>always been trying to explain, like what do you do

0:31:04.600 --> 0:31:06.160
<v Speaker 1>with the billionaires, Like, well, we just need them to

0:31:06.200 --> 0:31:07.240
<v Speaker 1>stop being billionaires.

0:31:08.080 --> 0:31:08.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:31:08.480 --> 0:31:09.320
<v Speaker 1>The method by.

0:31:09.160 --> 0:31:12.400
<v Speaker 2>Which we do that up to that, yeah, we go, yeah,

0:31:12.400 --> 0:31:15.240
<v Speaker 2>they go choices like yeah, there's I was reading about

0:31:15.240 --> 0:31:17.440
<v Speaker 2>a village that collectivized because they when they went the

0:31:17.560 --> 0:31:19.840
<v Speaker 2>anarchist militia columns went to the front, they collectivised the

0:31:19.880 --> 0:31:23.840
<v Speaker 2>villages right on their way and they were like inspecting

0:31:23.840 --> 0:31:27.200
<v Speaker 2>one village or something. And because they rotated, they rotated

0:31:27.240 --> 0:31:28.880
<v Speaker 2>troops out of the front line, right, so they would

0:31:28.880 --> 0:31:30.680
<v Speaker 2>go and work on the harvest and then come back

0:31:30.720 --> 0:31:31.840
<v Speaker 2>to the front line, and then go work on the

0:31:31.880 --> 0:31:33.360
<v Speaker 2>harvest and come back to the front line. So didn't

0:31:33.360 --> 0:31:36.000
<v Speaker 2>have enough rifles for everyone. And they were like where

0:31:36.040 --> 0:31:38.800
<v Speaker 2>is the priest And people like, oh, he just works

0:31:38.800 --> 0:31:40.240
<v Speaker 2>in the fields now with everyone else. And then I

0:31:40.280 --> 0:31:41.640
<v Speaker 2>didn't you kill him? And they were like no, there

0:31:41.680 --> 0:31:44.000
<v Speaker 2>was no need, Like he just stopped being a priest. Yeah,

0:31:44.920 --> 0:31:47.560
<v Speaker 2>they stopped working for the authority that's sucking everything up.

0:31:47.720 --> 0:31:47.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:31:48.200 --> 0:31:51.120
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Now, and and I guess the priest had married

0:31:51.120 --> 0:31:55.440
<v Speaker 2>a local girl. Was like oh, yeah, I've been looking

0:31:55.520 --> 0:31:56.320
<v Speaker 2>for an out.

0:31:56.280 --> 0:31:59.080
<v Speaker 1>Yeah totally yeah, hell yeah.

0:31:59.360 --> 0:32:00.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:32:00.640 --> 0:32:03.760
<v Speaker 1>Unfortunately, not everything went well during the Spanish Civil War.

0:32:04.280 --> 0:32:07.040
<v Speaker 1>As the war went on, communists started trying to kill

0:32:07.080 --> 0:32:12.160
<v Speaker 1>all the anarchists and kept like sending the anarchist units

0:32:12.160 --> 0:32:15.760
<v Speaker 1>to like run into machine gun nests and shit was

0:32:16.160 --> 0:32:18.280
<v Speaker 1>you'll be shocked to know. Didn't help anyone win the war.

0:32:18.880 --> 0:32:20.800
<v Speaker 1>And we've covered that bunch of times on the show.

0:32:20.800 --> 0:32:23.320
<v Speaker 1>We probably will a bunch more times. Yeah, but after

0:32:23.400 --> 0:32:27.200
<v Speaker 1>one unit, one anarchist unit suffered eighty percent casualties, El

0:32:27.280 --> 0:32:31.680
<v Speaker 1>Kiko was like, you know what, fuck this guy. So

0:32:31.720 --> 0:32:33.840
<v Speaker 1>he went and he shot the communist officer who sent

0:32:33.880 --> 0:32:36.600
<v Speaker 1>all the anarchists to die. After leaving the asshole to

0:32:36.640 --> 0:32:38.880
<v Speaker 1>die in the snow, Alkiko and three friends fucked off

0:32:38.880 --> 0:32:41.040
<v Speaker 1>to Barcelona and his cool Frankenstein van.

0:32:42.520 --> 0:32:45.120
<v Speaker 2>Very stealthy, which you've murdered your commander to take your

0:32:45.160 --> 0:32:46.280
<v Speaker 2>legs signature vehicle?

0:32:46.440 --> 0:32:49.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Well, and then he goes and he shows up

0:32:49.440 --> 0:32:51.680
<v Speaker 1>to the CNT and he's like, hey, I shot the

0:32:51.680 --> 0:32:54.520
<v Speaker 1>communist guy kept murdering my friends. Can you transfer me

0:32:54.560 --> 0:32:56.680
<v Speaker 1>to a different unit. I don't think that one's gonna

0:32:56.720 --> 0:33:01.480
<v Speaker 1>work out for me. Amazing, But they don't transform to

0:33:01.480 --> 0:33:04.240
<v Speaker 1>another unit. Instead, they say, well, how about you become

0:33:04.280 --> 0:33:07.320
<v Speaker 1>a super cool anarchist spec ops guy who rescues anarchists

0:33:07.320 --> 0:33:10.080
<v Speaker 1>from the Cheka, the Czech are the Russian secret police

0:33:10.200 --> 0:33:12.400
<v Speaker 1>or fucking everything up in Spain, including killing all their

0:33:12.440 --> 0:33:15.360
<v Speaker 1>own people. Yeah, it wasn't a good time to be

0:33:15.400 --> 0:33:18.200
<v Speaker 1>a Soviet. The other Soviets kept murdering you.

0:33:18.960 --> 0:33:20.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I did like to murder.

0:33:20.680 --> 0:33:23.479
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and so Elkiko was like, well, you don't end

0:33:23.520 --> 0:33:25.680
<v Speaker 1>up with a name like the guy without being willing

0:33:25.720 --> 0:33:29.640
<v Speaker 1>to say I'm your guy. That's my joke. That only

0:33:29.720 --> 0:33:31.560
<v Speaker 1>kind of holds up because Kiko might have also just

0:33:31.600 --> 0:33:35.080
<v Speaker 1>been short for Francisco. But he did. He became a

0:33:35.240 --> 0:33:38.960
<v Speaker 1>cool anarchist spec ops guy, along with another anarchist whose

0:33:39.000 --> 0:33:45.600
<v Speaker 1>name was Elebsinio, which more or less means the Ethiopian. Yeah,

0:33:45.640 --> 0:33:47.600
<v Speaker 1>and he had that name because he had quote Afro

0:33:47.680 --> 0:33:51.400
<v Speaker 1>type hair. I don't know whether that means he was

0:33:51.400 --> 0:33:53.920
<v Speaker 1>a black Spanish anarchist or more likely a white guy

0:33:53.920 --> 0:33:55.960
<v Speaker 1>with really curly hair and an unfortunate nickname.

0:33:56.840 --> 0:33:59.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's bad, That's that's how fortunated.

0:34:00.040 --> 0:34:01.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I know a lot of people were trying.

0:34:01.480 --> 0:34:03.880
<v Speaker 2>To get to Ethiopia, like a lot of the black

0:34:03.960 --> 0:34:07.960
<v Speaker 2>volunteers who fought, certainly their black Americans, like there was

0:34:07.960 --> 0:34:11.279
<v Speaker 2>a one of them had it. He wrote something called

0:34:11.520 --> 0:34:15.239
<v Speaker 2>this isn't Ethiopia, but they'll do. They were like, well,

0:34:15.280 --> 0:34:17.600
<v Speaker 2>they specifically wanted to kill Italian fascists, right, which they

0:34:17.719 --> 0:34:20.040
<v Speaker 2>even got the chance to do. But yeah, yeah, a

0:34:20.040 --> 0:34:22.400
<v Speaker 2>lot of the black folks who fought it was like

0:34:22.400 --> 0:34:24.759
<v Speaker 2>a kind of a rollback strategy, same as the Italians

0:34:24.760 --> 0:34:27.560
<v Speaker 2>and Germans, right, like, well we'll beat them here and

0:34:27.600 --> 0:34:31.080
<v Speaker 2>then we'll beat them in Italy and yeah, Ethiopia and

0:34:31.160 --> 0:34:35.080
<v Speaker 2>Germany and everywhere else, now that this makes sense, Yeah,

0:34:35.640 --> 0:34:37.400
<v Speaker 2>Sadly it didn't didn't work out.

0:34:37.280 --> 0:34:40.120
<v Speaker 1>No, for a lot of reasons, most of which I

0:34:40.160 --> 0:34:45.719
<v Speaker 1>think can be pointed at the Western world enforcing a

0:34:45.760 --> 0:34:51.359
<v Speaker 1>blockade only on the Republican side and like not in

0:34:51.760 --> 0:34:54.960
<v Speaker 1>a blockade like keep the Germans out from anyway whatever.

0:34:56.320 --> 0:34:57.879
<v Speaker 1>And again I don't think get helped with the checker

0:34:57.920 --> 0:34:59.640
<v Speaker 1>went around murdering everyone on their own side.

0:34:59.719 --> 0:35:03.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, killing like way more anarchists than you did. Fascist.

0:35:03.719 --> 0:35:06.160
<v Speaker 2>There was a fascist fuck what was his name? He

0:35:06.200 --> 0:35:09.080
<v Speaker 2>was part of a French fascist group that was funded

0:35:09.120 --> 0:35:13.400
<v Speaker 2>by the looreal like like because you're worth it, loreal right,

0:35:13.440 --> 0:35:17.879
<v Speaker 2>like shit, yeah, yeah, fascism, because you're worth it, And

0:35:17.920 --> 0:35:20.759
<v Speaker 2>like he was actively sabotaging. I forget what his name was.

0:35:20.800 --> 0:35:22.319
<v Speaker 2>He was in a headquarters company of one of the

0:35:22.360 --> 0:35:26.120
<v Speaker 2>international units and was actively sabotaging all their weapons. And

0:35:26.239 --> 0:35:29.280
<v Speaker 2>like they were so busy looking for fucking anarchists that

0:35:29.320 --> 0:35:33.399
<v Speaker 2>this guy just got to take a free run. Cool.

0:35:33.520 --> 0:35:37.279
<v Speaker 2>People died because of it. Great, cool, Thank you Soviet communists.

0:35:37.560 --> 0:35:45.000
<v Speaker 1>So fortunately the kid and el Absinio rescue and go

0:35:45.040 --> 0:35:47.080
<v Speaker 1>and rescue an anarchists from check a hands And that's

0:35:47.120 --> 0:35:49.480
<v Speaker 1>like his first new thing. Now that he does this,

0:35:49.840 --> 0:35:53.480
<v Speaker 1>he has a new job. And then after some nonsense

0:35:53.480 --> 0:35:55.719
<v Speaker 1>in May nineteen thirty seven where the Soviets tried to

0:35:55.719 --> 0:36:00.399
<v Speaker 1>take the anarchist positions in Barcelona by force, Elki did

0:36:00.400 --> 0:36:03.400
<v Speaker 1>some fast and furious shit and freed four anarchist prisoners

0:36:03.440 --> 0:36:07.239
<v Speaker 1>while they were being transferred. Oh cool, Yeah, there's so

0:36:07.320 --> 0:36:08.640
<v Speaker 1>much fast and furious shit in this.

0:36:09.480 --> 0:36:11.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I thought you were going with air bomber or

0:36:11.440 --> 0:36:13.760
<v Speaker 2>fast and furious shit. You know where you accidentally transfer

0:36:13.840 --> 0:36:16.360
<v Speaker 2>thousands of machine guns to hotels in.

0:36:16.360 --> 0:36:20.640
<v Speaker 1>Mexico, No, no, just the I don't remember which one

0:36:20.640 --> 0:36:24.440
<v Speaker 1>it is, where they you know, stop a prisoner transport

0:36:24.440 --> 0:36:27.960
<v Speaker 1>bus and then free their guy or whatever. So anarchist

0:36:27.960 --> 0:36:31.719
<v Speaker 1>becops are doing their thing. A local fascist Alkiko's home

0:36:31.800 --> 0:36:35.520
<v Speaker 1>village was trying to reinstate capitalism within the anarchist held areas.

0:36:35.920 --> 0:36:37.759
<v Speaker 1>He just like was like, hey, I'm a fascis. It's

0:36:37.800 --> 0:36:41.120
<v Speaker 1>like the area is under anarchist control. And he's like, hey,

0:36:41.160 --> 0:36:44.040
<v Speaker 1>I'm like a fascist and a capitalist. I've got all

0:36:44.040 --> 0:36:45.799
<v Speaker 1>this stuff and you need it, so I'm gonna sell

0:36:45.800 --> 0:36:51.080
<v Speaker 1>it really expensive. And everyone kept being like, my guy,

0:36:51.200 --> 0:36:55.360
<v Speaker 1>this isn't gonna go well, you like really shouldn't do this,

0:36:56.600 --> 0:36:59.120
<v Speaker 1>and he was like, nah, whatever. So then Alqico shows

0:36:59.200 --> 0:37:01.120
<v Speaker 1>up lets himself in the guy's house and suddenly the

0:37:01.160 --> 0:37:05.359
<v Speaker 1>guy isn't around anymore. The Soviets keep doing their thing.

0:37:05.440 --> 0:37:07.799
<v Speaker 1>They're fucking everything up, and soon al Kiko is in

0:37:07.840 --> 0:37:10.480
<v Speaker 1>prison in the hands of the quote new quote unquote

0:37:10.520 --> 0:37:14.359
<v Speaker 1>revolutionary police. And the reason that he's in prison is

0:37:14.640 --> 0:37:16.799
<v Speaker 1>he helped a man forge papers to get out of

0:37:16.840 --> 0:37:20.839
<v Speaker 1>conscription into the Soviet run army. Okay, Yeah, and one

0:37:20.840 --> 0:37:24.600
<v Speaker 1>of Alkiko's friends was actually murdered by the Republican police

0:37:24.640 --> 0:37:29.759
<v Speaker 1>over this. Alkiko only survived because the CNT was able

0:37:29.760 --> 0:37:32.040
<v Speaker 1>to get him transferred out of the hands of the cheka.

0:37:32.080 --> 0:37:33.920
<v Speaker 1>But they couldn't free him. They couldn't ge him out

0:37:33.920 --> 0:37:37.919
<v Speaker 1>of prison entirely. So he just accepted his fate and

0:37:38.200 --> 0:37:40.560
<v Speaker 1>resigned himself to prison, where he still is today. No,

0:37:40.640 --> 0:37:44.719
<v Speaker 1>he he's set about to free himself because tunnels are back.

0:37:45.120 --> 0:37:47.560
<v Speaker 1>It's been too long since we've had a tunnel.

0:37:48.280 --> 0:37:49.000
<v Speaker 2>Love a tunnel.

0:37:49.200 --> 0:37:52.680
<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, so long. I know, I know, we

0:37:52.760 --> 0:37:59.600
<v Speaker 1>came out strong, yeah, but this one, Okay, the story,

0:37:59.640 --> 0:38:01.239
<v Speaker 1>this part of the story is a happy ending, but

0:38:01.280 --> 0:38:04.719
<v Speaker 1>the tunnel doesn't. He spends weeks digging a tunnel under

0:38:04.760 --> 0:38:08.280
<v Speaker 1>his cell, and when he finally breaks free into daylight,

0:38:08.360 --> 0:38:10.719
<v Speaker 1>after like so many like wrong turns and like all

0:38:10.719 --> 0:38:13.200
<v Speaker 1>this wild shit, he's like, all right, I'm gonna go

0:38:13.200 --> 0:38:15.440
<v Speaker 1>back to my cell and wait until nighttime and then

0:38:15.480 --> 0:38:19.279
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to sneak out during nighttime. But they nabbed him.

0:38:19.280 --> 0:38:21.280
<v Speaker 1>They figured it out before he went back out again,

0:38:21.840 --> 0:38:26.320
<v Speaker 1>and so he went. He got taken to a maximum security. So, however,

0:38:27.080 --> 0:38:29.080
<v Speaker 1>he was getting a ton of movement support because the

0:38:29.120 --> 0:38:31.360
<v Speaker 1>anarchists with the largest chunk of the Spanish working class,

0:38:31.360 --> 0:38:33.880
<v Speaker 1>and he was already kind of a hero. They just

0:38:33.880 --> 0:38:36.239
<v Speaker 1>don't have as much systemic power as the communists, so

0:38:36.239 --> 0:38:38.600
<v Speaker 1>he bribes the guards to let him have conjugal visits

0:38:38.600 --> 0:38:42.600
<v Speaker 1>with Leonor. His wife smuggles him a hand grenade and

0:38:42.760 --> 0:38:45.800
<v Speaker 1>a sorry, a grenade and a handgun. A hand grenade

0:38:45.840 --> 0:38:47.759
<v Speaker 1>and a gun. Whatever hand can be in either of

0:38:47.760 --> 0:38:48.879
<v Speaker 1>those doesn't matter.

0:38:49.560 --> 0:38:49.759
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:38:50.840 --> 0:38:52.520
<v Speaker 1>Now that he has those things, he sets about to

0:38:52.640 --> 0:38:55.880
<v Speaker 1>escaping to whether anarchists come with him. Some of the

0:38:55.920 --> 0:38:58.120
<v Speaker 1>other prisoners chose not to come, and so they made

0:38:58.160 --> 0:39:01.120
<v Speaker 1>sure in order to keep the other prisoner from getting implicated.

0:39:01.160 --> 0:39:02.759
<v Speaker 1>They were like, all right, we're gonna lock you up,

0:39:02.760 --> 0:39:05.279
<v Speaker 1>but just so that people don't think you were with us,

0:39:06.000 --> 0:39:09.120
<v Speaker 1>And so they like lock up the other prisoners. They

0:39:09.160 --> 0:39:11.319
<v Speaker 1>make their way to the warden's office. They're just like

0:39:11.840 --> 0:39:14.400
<v Speaker 1>disarming and threatening everyone on their way, you know, and

0:39:14.520 --> 0:39:17.200
<v Speaker 1>tying everyone up, not hurting anyone. Actually, they do this

0:39:17.239 --> 0:39:20.680
<v Speaker 1>whole thing with hurting anyone. It's kind of impressive. They

0:39:21.000 --> 0:39:25.080
<v Speaker 1>point a gun at the warden and say sign papers

0:39:25.120 --> 0:39:28.960
<v Speaker 1>to say that we can go free, and the Warden's like, ah, yeah,

0:39:29.080 --> 0:39:29.759
<v Speaker 1>I could do that.

0:39:31.080 --> 0:39:33.240
<v Speaker 2>You know, to the other ocean.

0:39:33.480 --> 0:39:37.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And so they escaped. His two commids, his two companions.

0:39:38.120 --> 0:39:39.680
<v Speaker 1>They get sent back to the front or they go

0:39:39.760 --> 0:39:42.080
<v Speaker 1>back to the front and they fight fascists for a while,

0:39:42.160 --> 0:39:45.520
<v Speaker 1>but then they leave, so then the communists execute them.

0:39:45.760 --> 0:39:48.720
<v Speaker 1>Sabote and his brother in law tried to walk forty

0:39:48.760 --> 0:39:52.360
<v Speaker 1>miles to safety, but some guards were like, who the

0:39:52.400 --> 0:39:55.480
<v Speaker 1>fuck are you? Show me your papers, and Sabote is like,

0:39:55.600 --> 0:39:57.600
<v Speaker 1>if I show them my papers, I'm going to die

0:39:57.680 --> 0:40:01.200
<v Speaker 1>that they just killed my friends. So he's like, oh, yeah, totally,

0:40:01.360 --> 0:40:03.960
<v Speaker 1>let me get my papers out of my coat. But

0:40:04.120 --> 0:40:08.480
<v Speaker 1>instead of his papers, he pulled out a gun, and

0:40:08.560 --> 0:40:11.759
<v Speaker 1>instead of giving them his papers, he killed all four

0:40:11.800 --> 0:40:14.759
<v Speaker 1>of them. So you do it.

0:40:15.680 --> 0:40:19.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's a universal passport, right, Yeah, totally.

0:40:20.480 --> 0:40:23.200
<v Speaker 1>But they were waiting for him in Barcelona, the cops

0:40:23.200 --> 0:40:27.720
<v Speaker 1>were so a chase scene happens. This guy's fucking life.

0:40:28.120 --> 0:40:30.479
<v Speaker 1>The cops spot him at the station, so he takes

0:40:30.520 --> 0:40:35.200
<v Speaker 1>off running across and through trains like amazing, yeah, no,

0:40:35.360 --> 0:40:39.080
<v Speaker 1>like this yeah, And then in order to get out there,

0:40:39.120 --> 0:40:41.400
<v Speaker 1>they're bringing a cordon around the area around the station,

0:40:41.800 --> 0:40:44.800
<v Speaker 1>so he hijacks a horse drawn carriage because petrol is

0:40:44.800 --> 0:40:48.760
<v Speaker 1>getting around. Yeah, yeah, amazing, and he like basically sticks

0:40:48.760 --> 0:40:50.640
<v Speaker 1>a gun in the guy's side. It's like, hey, could

0:40:50.640 --> 0:40:52.840
<v Speaker 1>you drive me through the police court and the guy's like, yeah, okay,

0:40:53.000 --> 0:40:55.040
<v Speaker 1>And this actually happens a lot in this guy's life

0:40:55.080 --> 0:40:58.040
<v Speaker 1>where he ends up in these very civil conversations with

0:40:58.080 --> 0:41:01.319
<v Speaker 1>people that he's robbing or like, because they actually kind

0:41:01.320 --> 0:41:04.160
<v Speaker 1>of most of them like him.

0:41:04.520 --> 0:41:06.359
<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, he's waste on trying to hurt

0:41:06.440 --> 0:41:08.640
<v Speaker 2>them or take anything from them necessary, right, like, at

0:41:08.719 --> 0:41:09.440
<v Speaker 2>least in this case.

0:41:09.560 --> 0:41:11.120
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And in some ways it's like the gun is

0:41:11.160 --> 0:41:13.520
<v Speaker 1>almost like plausible deniability. It's like, well, you weren't in

0:41:13.600 --> 0:41:15.040
<v Speaker 1>on it. I had a gun on you.

0:41:15.920 --> 0:41:18.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, right, Yeah, he's a win win feet Yeah, and

0:41:18.520 --> 0:41:20.120
<v Speaker 2>that's going to come up more later, So I'm not

0:41:20.160 --> 0:41:23.200
<v Speaker 2>just pulling that out of nowhere. But did he leave

0:41:23.239 --> 0:41:25.879
<v Speaker 2>the war just because large chunks of his own side

0:41:25.920 --> 0:41:27.319
<v Speaker 2>were trying to kill him?

0:41:27.640 --> 0:41:30.120
<v Speaker 1>Of course not. There were fascists to fight and a

0:41:30.160 --> 0:41:33.120
<v Speaker 1>revolution to defend, so he signed up with the Drudi Column,

0:41:33.120 --> 0:41:36.480
<v Speaker 1>an anarchist unit. He won the Medal for valor, and

0:41:36.520 --> 0:41:39.840
<v Speaker 1>a desperate struggle to hold back the fascists all the while.

0:41:39.880 --> 0:41:42.240
<v Speaker 1>At this point the high command of the Republican Army

0:41:42.760 --> 0:41:48.000
<v Speaker 1>they already fled into France, and Sabote's unit was the

0:41:48.080 --> 0:41:51.080
<v Speaker 1>last to leave Barcelona as the fascist rolled through the country.

0:41:52.000 --> 0:42:03.239
<v Speaker 1>Just like these low, low prices will roll through your

0:42:03.560 --> 0:42:07.880
<v Speaker 1>head or you press forward fifteen seconds approximately six times.

0:42:09.200 --> 0:42:09.880
<v Speaker 2>It's your choice.

0:42:10.040 --> 0:42:17.839
<v Speaker 1>None, yeah, and we're back okay. Meanwhile, his older brother Jose,

0:42:18.400 --> 0:42:20.919
<v Speaker 1>he's been leading anarchist battalion at this point, but when

0:42:20.920 --> 0:42:23.759
<v Speaker 1>the war is over, he's captured by the fascists and

0:42:23.760 --> 0:42:26.200
<v Speaker 1>he spends a while in prison, but he does survive

0:42:26.239 --> 0:42:30.640
<v Speaker 1>the war. And then Franco came through and was like, well,

0:42:30.640 --> 0:42:32.480
<v Speaker 1>I'm a fascist and I've just taken over the country,

0:42:32.520 --> 0:42:36.279
<v Speaker 1>so I'm gonna be really nice to everyone when the

0:42:36.320 --> 0:42:41.319
<v Speaker 1>hearts and minds. Yeah, yeah, buying killing everyone. He just

0:42:41.480 --> 0:42:43.359
<v Speaker 1>killed a fuck ton of people. This is the guy

0:42:43.360 --> 0:42:45.440
<v Speaker 1>who at the beginning he has like a quote that

0:42:45.480 --> 0:42:47.200
<v Speaker 1>I don't have directly in front of me, but he

0:42:47.239 --> 0:42:48.960
<v Speaker 1>has a quote that's something like, I am willing to

0:42:49.040 --> 0:42:52.120
<v Speaker 1>murder half of Spain to rule the other half. Yeah.

0:42:52.200 --> 0:42:54.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And he was pretty consistent on that. That wasn't

0:42:54.680 --> 0:42:58.160
<v Speaker 2>a one off kind of vibe for him. Yeah, it

0:42:58.280 --> 0:43:01.680
<v Speaker 2>was more or less his defining principal italy. He's only

0:43:01.760 --> 0:43:02.480
<v Speaker 2>moral stunes.

0:43:02.600 --> 0:43:05.279
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, So hundreds of thousands of people were put

0:43:05.320 --> 0:43:09.879
<v Speaker 1>to death, mostly legally, of course, because you know law man.

0:43:11.040 --> 0:43:13.319
<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, yeah, that made it okay. It's just the

0:43:13.360 --> 0:43:16.440
<v Speaker 2>important thing about laws is that it's fine. I've just

0:43:16.440 --> 0:43:19.080
<v Speaker 2>spent a week on the border watching like the little

0:43:19.200 --> 0:43:23.000
<v Speaker 2>children being concentrated in in in what one might call

0:43:23.040 --> 0:43:26.440
<v Speaker 2>camps in the desert, and that was legal, So it's okay.

0:43:26.480 --> 0:43:28.040
<v Speaker 1>It's just the opposite of dispersed camping.

0:43:28.880 --> 0:43:33.919
<v Speaker 2>Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's good. It's easier to clean

0:43:33.960 --> 0:43:34.680
<v Speaker 2>up afterwards.

0:43:35.360 --> 0:43:37.680
<v Speaker 1>Hip hop, I can't. Okay, that's the end of my

0:43:37.719 --> 0:43:41.080
<v Speaker 1>sad jokes about that. It's fucking awful. Yeah, it's fucking horrific.

0:43:42.000 --> 0:43:48.160
<v Speaker 1>Yeah what it boorders are bad. Yeah, speaking of concentration camps,

0:43:49.000 --> 0:43:52.399
<v Speaker 1>Sabata and his family fleet of France where the fate

0:43:52.440 --> 0:43:55.080
<v Speaker 1>of the anti fascists awaited them, which is their friends

0:43:55.080 --> 0:43:56.600
<v Speaker 1>put them on concentration camps.

0:43:58.120 --> 0:43:59.440
<v Speaker 2>Now love that for France.

0:43:59.719 --> 0:44:03.120
<v Speaker 1>This didn't have the same meaning yet the word concentration camp.

0:44:04.239 --> 0:44:08.160
<v Speaker 1>It's not nice fun times, but it's not.

0:44:10.360 --> 0:44:10.600
<v Speaker 3>Whatever.

0:44:10.680 --> 0:44:13.279
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's not a death camp like it's it's it's

0:44:13.320 --> 0:44:16.879
<v Speaker 2>distinct from that. It's just an extremely shitty situation which

0:44:16.880 --> 0:44:17.759
<v Speaker 2>you can't leat out of him.

0:44:17.800 --> 0:44:20.799
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, unless you're al Kiko, in which case you can escape.

0:44:21.040 --> 0:44:23.480
<v Speaker 1>He did fair enough, but he escaped and he like

0:44:23.480 --> 0:44:25.560
<v Speaker 1>spent a while like wandering the Pyrenees mountains, and then

0:44:25.600 --> 0:44:27.719
<v Speaker 1>he was like, man, fuck this, and he went back

0:44:27.760 --> 0:44:33.960
<v Speaker 1>to the concentration camp. And no specific reason is given

0:44:33.960 --> 0:44:37.040
<v Speaker 1>for this, But then by doing more research about it, One,

0:44:38.080 --> 0:44:40.640
<v Speaker 1>I don't know because the biographer didn't bother to tell

0:44:40.680 --> 0:44:44.839
<v Speaker 1>me what Leoner is doing at the time, right, so

0:44:44.880 --> 0:44:46.879
<v Speaker 1>maybe his wife is still there or maybe she came

0:44:46.920 --> 0:44:50.920
<v Speaker 1>with him, I'm not sure. And two, all of the

0:44:50.960 --> 0:44:55.640
<v Speaker 1>anarchists are all in one place, so they're organizing, and

0:44:55.680 --> 0:44:58.439
<v Speaker 1>he's like probably He's like, all right, well I should

0:44:58.480 --> 0:45:00.880
<v Speaker 1>go be where the anarchists are organized. Yeah, and he

0:45:01.239 --> 0:45:07.040
<v Speaker 1>heads on back. And then I remember, you knew about

0:45:07.080 --> 0:45:09.399
<v Speaker 1>this like little known sequel to the Spanish Civil War,

0:45:12.360 --> 0:45:14.880
<v Speaker 1>Spanish Civil War two electric boogloo. Yeah only it was,

0:45:15.960 --> 0:45:17.440
<v Speaker 1>but you know, like each time they have to make

0:45:17.480 --> 0:45:19.439
<v Speaker 1>it bigger. So this was called World War two.

0:45:20.120 --> 0:45:23.320
<v Speaker 2>Oh okay, fascinating, Well went down in that one.

0:45:24.640 --> 0:45:26.760
<v Speaker 1>A lot of stuff that I feel weird making jokes about.

0:45:27.560 --> 0:45:30.759
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. The famously anti fascist segregated the

0:45:30.840 --> 0:45:34.080
<v Speaker 2>United State Toommy came to Save the Day.

0:45:34.920 --> 0:45:36.640
<v Speaker 1>I Love No No. We talked about this in the

0:45:36.680 --> 0:45:41.279
<v Speaker 1>Josephine Baker episode that she like refused to play. She

0:45:41.400 --> 0:45:43.880
<v Speaker 1>was a black woman from the US who became a

0:45:43.880 --> 0:45:47.200
<v Speaker 1>French spy and did all this amazing shit, and at

0:45:47.239 --> 0:45:48.759
<v Speaker 1>some point she was like playing for the troops. She

0:45:48.800 --> 0:45:50.160
<v Speaker 1>was one of the most famous women in the world,

0:45:50.360 --> 0:45:52.600
<v Speaker 1>and she was like, I won't play for the US

0:45:52.680 --> 0:45:56.279
<v Speaker 1>troops while they're segregated. They better desegregate at least for

0:45:56.360 --> 0:45:57.240
<v Speaker 1>my fucking show.

0:45:57.760 --> 0:46:00.759
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. This is like Paul Robeson refuse to do a

0:46:00.800 --> 0:46:03.120
<v Speaker 2>concert when he heard out that they the purges were

0:46:03.120 --> 0:46:05.000
<v Speaker 2>happening in the middle of the Spanish Civil War, right,

0:46:05.000 --> 0:46:07.600
<v Speaker 2>and they one of the old Bolshevik trials of the

0:46:07.920 --> 0:46:09.719
<v Speaker 2>sort of old bolsh Fixes happening, and he heard about

0:46:09.760 --> 0:46:12.839
<v Speaker 2>it and he was like, this, this fucked up. I

0:46:12.840 --> 0:46:15.360
<v Speaker 2>can't go sink. Yeah, I got whited. They're doing basically

0:46:15.400 --> 0:46:17.719
<v Speaker 2>that's cool. Yeah, cool guy.

0:46:18.840 --> 0:46:21.680
<v Speaker 1>So maybe you know this part better than I do.

0:46:21.760 --> 0:46:24.759
<v Speaker 1>I've run across two sources that say conflicting things, and

0:46:24.800 --> 0:46:28.520
<v Speaker 1>it is a big difference. The concentration camps were opened

0:46:28.560 --> 0:46:31.239
<v Speaker 1>up and the surviving Republicans from Spain were conscripted into

0:46:31.239 --> 0:46:34.440
<v Speaker 1>mostly labor and some to go be cannon fodder. I

0:46:34.520 --> 0:46:37.480
<v Speaker 1>don't know whether this was the French government before the

0:46:37.600 --> 0:46:41.000
<v Speaker 1>Vicci government, or whether it was the Nazi controlled French government.

0:46:41.680 --> 0:46:46.319
<v Speaker 2>So the I guess to use like a militaristic term.

0:46:46.360 --> 0:46:50.080
<v Speaker 2>Military aged men were required to conscript in the free

0:46:50.160 --> 0:46:51.000
<v Speaker 2>French shand.

0:46:50.840 --> 0:46:53.719
<v Speaker 1>That's what I thought. Okay, I've run across both and

0:46:53.760 --> 0:46:54.480
<v Speaker 1>it confused me.

0:46:55.320 --> 0:46:57.719
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I just wrote a long thing about this kind

0:46:57.719 --> 0:47:01.799
<v Speaker 2>of they called their like so that they're not in

0:47:01.840 --> 0:47:05.600
<v Speaker 2>the French over. France has a different relationship to journalism

0:47:05.600 --> 0:47:08.480
<v Speaker 2>than other European powers, so like, there's a very famous

0:47:08.520 --> 0:47:11.120
<v Speaker 2>unit called Lan Nueve write the people who liberated Paris,

0:47:11.239 --> 0:47:14.680
<v Speaker 2>who were mostly Spanish anarchists. They wanted to call their

0:47:14.719 --> 0:47:17.520
<v Speaker 2>half tracked vehicles de ruti and us casso, but they

0:47:17.520 --> 0:47:19.840
<v Speaker 2>weren't allowed to that called.

0:47:22.840 --> 0:47:24.680
<v Speaker 1>Okay sorry, yeah, yeah, yeah.

0:47:24.520 --> 0:47:28.080
<v Speaker 2>Relatively notable anarchists and they had to call them like

0:47:28.120 --> 0:47:32.080
<v Speaker 2>don Quixote instead, but they named other ones after battles

0:47:32.080 --> 0:47:34.879
<v Speaker 2>in Spain. Yeah, but yeah, they end up in the

0:47:34.880 --> 0:47:38.880
<v Speaker 2>the Army of Chad, the Army of Chad Zura as well,

0:47:38.920 --> 0:47:42.560
<v Speaker 2>but Chad like the country as well as as well

0:47:42.600 --> 0:47:46.400
<v Speaker 2>as the name. So they were the marching regiments of Chad.

0:47:47.640 --> 0:47:52.040
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, so the so Sabat and the other anarchists,

0:47:52.239 --> 0:47:54.800
<v Speaker 1>they're basically being told like, yeah, go fight at the

0:47:54.840 --> 0:47:58.200
<v Speaker 1>front or a lot of them were conscripted to do

0:47:58.280 --> 0:48:03.080
<v Speaker 1>labor and build factories and ship and so Sabate wound

0:48:03.120 --> 0:48:08.000
<v Speaker 1>up building helping build a gunpowder factory, which turns out

0:48:08.080 --> 0:48:14.040
<v Speaker 1>useful later. Yeah, it's just great, yeah, serendipity. Yeah, France

0:48:14.040 --> 0:48:17.440
<v Speaker 1>didn't last too long in World War Two, so soon

0:48:17.719 --> 0:48:21.320
<v Speaker 1>he's in hiding and having a kid. His daughter Poquita

0:48:21.640 --> 0:48:24.319
<v Speaker 1>is born in nineteen forty one, the only one of

0:48:24.360 --> 0:48:26.960
<v Speaker 1>his children that at least the biographer I read was

0:48:27.320 --> 0:48:30.760
<v Speaker 1>able to provide me the information about, and he joins

0:48:30.760 --> 0:48:35.600
<v Speaker 1>the French resistance with the Spanish marquy. Yep, who are

0:48:35.640 --> 0:48:38.120
<v Speaker 1>the Spanish monkey, you might ask? Well, you wouldn't ask you.

0:48:38.680 --> 0:48:42.360
<v Speaker 1>Probably no books worth of information about them that I

0:48:42.400 --> 0:48:44.160
<v Speaker 1>will probably try and convince you to tell me at

0:48:44.200 --> 0:48:50.080
<v Speaker 1>some point soon. But to tell the audience real quick, yeah,

0:48:50.160 --> 0:48:53.919
<v Speaker 1>I'm glad you asked. Maquis is the Corsican course goes

0:48:53.920 --> 0:48:57.240
<v Speaker 1>a small island of the Mediterranean that France pretends is French.

0:48:57.840 --> 0:49:00.680
<v Speaker 1>And the Corskin word for the shrubby woods on Mediterranean

0:49:01.280 --> 0:49:05.440
<v Speaker 1>is my key basically, And so it's like saying the bush.

0:49:05.480 --> 0:49:09.560
<v Speaker 1>So the fighters are retreating into the bush and kind

0:49:09.560 --> 0:49:12.319
<v Speaker 1>of in the same way that the Irish were, like

0:49:12.360 --> 0:49:15.200
<v Speaker 1>the Bog soldiers or whatever. And that's where that ship.

0:49:16.680 --> 0:49:18.759
<v Speaker 1>The name of your right wing people in the UK,

0:49:18.960 --> 0:49:20.399
<v Speaker 1>yours if you live in the UK.

0:49:21.040 --> 0:49:24.279
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the Tories conceived, Yeah right, conservative?

0:49:24.440 --> 0:49:27.319
<v Speaker 1>Isn't the tour I'm going to get this completely embarrassingly wrong.

0:49:27.440 --> 0:49:30.400
<v Speaker 1>Isn't that the word that comes from the Irish Bog fighters?

0:49:30.480 --> 0:49:33.080
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it comes I believe it does come from. Yeah,

0:49:33.239 --> 0:49:36.160
<v Speaker 2>it's a reference to Yeah, something from island. I can't remember.

0:49:36.280 --> 0:49:39.680
<v Speaker 1>I believe it's the the the Irish radicals who were

0:49:39.719 --> 0:49:46.040
<v Speaker 1>fighting against Cromwell when giside Ireland. Anyway, Yeah, I just

0:49:46.080 --> 0:49:50.360
<v Speaker 1>forgot the way. So the Spanish Monkey are the Spanish

0:49:50.400 --> 0:49:53.720
<v Speaker 1>ones of these gorilla fighters. That's the name, the Spanish Monkey.

0:49:54.239 --> 0:49:57.560
<v Speaker 1>And these are the name that the Spanish gorillas who

0:49:57.640 --> 0:50:00.319
<v Speaker 1>keep up the fight against fascism, including most direct in

0:50:00.360 --> 0:50:05.520
<v Speaker 1>France during the Nazi occupation, but also the Spanish occupation,

0:50:05.600 --> 0:50:07.799
<v Speaker 1>which no longer is being called an occupation, even though

0:50:07.800 --> 0:50:10.840
<v Speaker 1>it's still literally someone invaded and took over Spain and

0:50:10.880 --> 0:50:14.040
<v Speaker 1>declared it fascist. They might be more familiar to the

0:50:14.040 --> 0:50:18.479
<v Speaker 1>modern audience as the guerrilla fighters in Pans Labyrinth, since

0:50:18.960 --> 0:50:22.319
<v Speaker 1>that movie is set in nineteen forty four, and I

0:50:22.320 --> 0:50:25.000
<v Speaker 1>think the McKee in Pans Labyrinth were anarchists, But it

0:50:25.080 --> 0:50:28.120
<v Speaker 1>is worth noting that the McKee were of all sorts

0:50:28.120 --> 0:50:32.120
<v Speaker 1>of different politics. Communists and monarchists were involved in some

0:50:32.200 --> 0:50:35.520
<v Speaker 1>of this stuff. In Madrid apparently as mostly communists, and

0:50:35.560 --> 0:50:39.320
<v Speaker 1>Barcelona's mostly anarchists, at least according to one particular source,

0:50:39.760 --> 0:50:42.280
<v Speaker 1>Every source about all of this stuff is really biased

0:50:42.320 --> 0:50:45.560
<v Speaker 1>either communist or anarchist, and wants to completely write the

0:50:45.560 --> 0:50:46.560
<v Speaker 1>other one out of history.

0:50:46.800 --> 0:50:49.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's great.

0:50:50.239 --> 0:50:52.120
<v Speaker 1>The source that I read was more biased in the

0:50:52.120 --> 0:50:56.720
<v Speaker 1>communist direction about this particular part of the Maquis before

0:50:56.760 --> 0:50:59.400
<v Speaker 1>the Spanish Maquie got back into Spain. While they're in France,

0:50:59.440 --> 0:51:03.240
<v Speaker 1>they functioned up against the Nazis. Ten thousand of them fought,

0:51:04.080 --> 0:51:07.120
<v Speaker 1>and that's not the focus of this particular episode. But

0:51:07.160 --> 0:51:09.799
<v Speaker 1>to quote a nineteen forty five book, The Undefeated, by

0:51:09.840 --> 0:51:14.280
<v Speaker 1>Martha Gellhorn. During the German occupation of France, the Spanish

0:51:14.360 --> 0:51:17.920
<v Speaker 1>Maquie engineered more than four hundred railway sabotages, destroyed fifty

0:51:17.920 --> 0:51:21.280
<v Speaker 1>eight locomotives, dynamated thirty five railway bridges, cut one hundred

0:51:21.280 --> 0:51:25.320
<v Speaker 1>and fifty telephone lines, attacked twenty factories, destroying some factories totally,

0:51:25.640 --> 0:51:29.640
<v Speaker 1>and sabotaged fifteen coal mines. They took several thousand German prisoners,

0:51:29.680 --> 0:51:32.920
<v Speaker 1>and most miraculous considering their arms, they captured three tanks

0:51:33.360 --> 0:51:36.799
<v Speaker 1>in the southwest part. Yeah right, fuck can they do

0:51:36.880 --> 0:51:37.319
<v Speaker 1>it with them?

0:51:37.360 --> 0:51:37.920
<v Speaker 2>Afterwards?

0:51:40.360 --> 0:51:42.640
<v Speaker 1>In the southwest part of France, where no Allied armies

0:51:42.640 --> 0:51:47.680
<v Speaker 1>have ever fought, they liberated more than seventeen towns, so

0:51:47.680 --> 0:51:52.279
<v Speaker 1>they're fucking cool. And then we actually don't really know

0:51:52.320 --> 0:51:54.760
<v Speaker 1>what al Qiko was up to personally during all this period,

0:51:54.800 --> 0:51:57.200
<v Speaker 1>besides the fact that he was fighting the Nazis. And

0:51:57.239 --> 0:52:00.000
<v Speaker 1>we also know that the gunpowder factory that he built

0:52:00.280 --> 0:52:03.239
<v Speaker 1>in December nineteen forty two suddenly blew up.

0:52:05.719 --> 0:52:08.080
<v Speaker 2>Yeah some dots, it will never be joined.

0:52:08.200 --> 0:52:11.800
<v Speaker 1>And someone who was caught for it had a photo

0:52:11.840 --> 0:52:15.440
<v Speaker 1>in his pocket of a group that included him, And

0:52:15.480 --> 0:52:17.799
<v Speaker 1>this is yeah, this comes up a bunch that they

0:52:17.880 --> 0:52:20.520
<v Speaker 1>keep catching people with like photos of their friends in

0:52:20.600 --> 0:52:24.040
<v Speaker 1>their pockets, and I like, don't get me wrong, I

0:52:24.120 --> 0:52:25.600
<v Speaker 1>like that I can look pictures of my friends by

0:52:25.600 --> 0:52:28.399
<v Speaker 1>pulling something out of my pocket that is my phone.

0:52:28.560 --> 0:52:30.919
<v Speaker 1>But I'm also not in the middle of a gorilla war.

0:52:31.600 --> 0:52:35.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah upstake fail yeah in that, but wow.

0:52:35.920 --> 0:52:39.600
<v Speaker 1>Meanwhile, El Chico has set himself up as a plumber

0:52:39.600 --> 0:52:42.120
<v Speaker 1>and a small town with his wife and daughter and

0:52:42.320 --> 0:52:45.880
<v Speaker 1>immediately starts guiding French refugees across the border into Spain.

0:52:46.040 --> 0:52:48.440
<v Speaker 1>Like this is befo. He's going to do the opposite

0:52:48.560 --> 0:52:52.279
<v Speaker 1>a little bit, you know. Yeah, yeah, and all the

0:52:52.320 --> 0:52:55.360
<v Speaker 1>while are straight at Chiro does not drink or smoke.

0:52:56.880 --> 0:52:59.160
<v Speaker 1>There's a long history, a kind of weird history of

0:53:00.120 --> 0:53:02.880
<v Speaker 1>anarchists being either sober or vegetarian or both.

0:53:03.360 --> 0:53:03.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:53:03.680 --> 0:53:06.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I have no evidence about him being vegetarian, but

0:53:06.800 --> 0:53:07.680
<v Speaker 1>he was sober.

0:53:07.600 --> 0:53:10.200
<v Speaker 2>He's Yeah. They were definitely they were like they were.

0:53:10.840 --> 0:53:13.640
<v Speaker 2>They were like anarchists at atheneums as the English were,

0:53:14.120 --> 0:53:17.400
<v Speaker 2>where like they weld. They were very committed to ongoing education,

0:53:17.840 --> 0:53:20.879
<v Speaker 2>and part of that was health education. The anarchists were

0:53:20.880 --> 0:53:24.680
<v Speaker 2>really early on in like healthy diet and exercises a

0:53:24.719 --> 0:53:28.400
<v Speaker 2>way to combat like the ills of modernity and factory labor.

0:53:28.560 --> 0:53:30.160
<v Speaker 1>I mean, makes sense.

0:53:30.480 --> 0:53:32.680
<v Speaker 2>They were not wrong, they were Yeah, they were very right.

0:53:32.719 --> 0:53:35.200
<v Speaker 2>They like they would get people down from Switzerland to

0:53:35.239 --> 0:53:38.200
<v Speaker 2>talk about like Swiss gymnastics and shit, it's wild.

0:53:38.200 --> 0:53:39.360
<v Speaker 1>Hell yeah, that's cool.

0:53:39.520 --> 0:53:42.480
<v Speaker 2>And yeah, you can still find good anarchist vegan food

0:53:42.520 --> 0:53:43.279
<v Speaker 2>in Barcelona.

0:53:43.400 --> 0:53:48.600
<v Speaker 1>Hell yeah. So after the war, the Spanish anarchists in

0:53:48.680 --> 0:53:51.319
<v Speaker 1>France had a big meeting. They managed to sort of

0:53:51.320 --> 0:53:53.680
<v Speaker 1>get over a lot of their differences because joining the

0:53:53.719 --> 0:53:57.239
<v Speaker 1>Republican government had been really divisive among the anarchists. But

0:53:57.280 --> 0:53:59.279
<v Speaker 1>they had a meeting and they were like, all right,

0:54:00.520 --> 0:54:02.600
<v Speaker 1>we should probably just get together, stop fighting and go

0:54:02.680 --> 0:54:07.360
<v Speaker 1>fuck up Franco, shouldn't we And they were like, yeah,

0:54:07.400 --> 0:54:12.040
<v Speaker 1>that's what we should do. But they wanted to send

0:54:12.120 --> 0:54:16.520
<v Speaker 1>some some delegates down into Spain to talk with all

0:54:16.560 --> 0:54:18.360
<v Speaker 1>of the anarchists who were still hold up in the

0:54:18.400 --> 0:54:20.439
<v Speaker 1>mountains and stuff, because a lot of anarchists never left

0:54:20.520 --> 0:54:22.440
<v Speaker 1>right nineteen thirty nine, a lot of anarchists just took

0:54:22.440 --> 0:54:24.319
<v Speaker 1>to the mountains and fucking lived there. And that's kind

0:54:24.320 --> 0:54:27.840
<v Speaker 1>of our pants Labyrinth care heroes. They needed some super

0:54:27.840 --> 0:54:31.440
<v Speaker 1>cool elite spec OP anarchists to guide some delegates into France.

0:54:32.440 --> 0:54:35.520
<v Speaker 1>Why not turn to El Qico and L Ebsinio, as

0:54:35.560 --> 0:54:39.359
<v Speaker 1>well as L Rosette, which literally means the rosette, It's

0:54:39.400 --> 0:54:42.040
<v Speaker 1>just spelled different. They all had cool names. Giving yourself

0:54:42.040 --> 0:54:43.919
<v Speaker 1>a cool name with your friends is cool and good.

0:54:46.360 --> 0:54:49.239
<v Speaker 1>So al Qiko and his friends just went right back

0:54:49.280 --> 0:54:51.320
<v Speaker 1>to doing what they do. They meet up with the

0:54:51.360 --> 0:54:55.279
<v Speaker 1>anarchists in Barcelona, they learn which fascists have killed which anarchists.

0:54:55.719 --> 0:55:00.040
<v Speaker 1>They set about raising the money to fight back. And

0:55:00.560 --> 0:55:02.480
<v Speaker 1>can you guess how they said about raising the money

0:55:02.480 --> 0:55:05.400
<v Speaker 1>to fight start a grill warriors the fascist.

0:55:06.800 --> 0:55:09.080
<v Speaker 2>Did they go fund me?

0:55:09.400 --> 0:55:11.759
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it was like a combination of like gofundmes and

0:55:11.760 --> 0:55:17.560
<v Speaker 1>then like a couple like benefit shows, they did a yeah,

0:55:17.680 --> 0:55:19.720
<v Speaker 1>and then they rob rich people. Most of it actually

0:55:19.800 --> 0:55:24.080
<v Speaker 1>came from the robbery. Yeah, oh interesting, not the punk

0:55:24.080 --> 0:55:28.200
<v Speaker 1>cake with a vegan meal before, No, weirdly yeah huh.

0:55:27.520 --> 0:55:28.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah nice strength.

0:55:28.680 --> 0:55:30.799
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. One time they robbed the guy in his house

0:55:30.800 --> 0:55:34.160
<v Speaker 1>and they left him a note. We are not robbers,

0:55:34.280 --> 0:55:37.240
<v Speaker 1>we are libertarian resistance fighters. What we have just taken

0:55:37.280 --> 0:55:39.200
<v Speaker 1>will help in a small way to feed the orphaned

0:55:39.239 --> 0:55:41.480
<v Speaker 1>and starving children of those anti fascists that you and

0:55:41.520 --> 0:55:44.359
<v Speaker 1>your kind have shot. We are people who have never

0:55:44.440 --> 0:55:47.160
<v Speaker 1>and will never beg for what is ours. So long

0:55:47.200 --> 0:55:50.120
<v Speaker 1>as we have the strength to do to do so,

0:55:50.400 --> 0:55:52.960
<v Speaker 1>we will fight for the freedom of the Spanish working class.

0:55:53.640 --> 0:55:56.560
<v Speaker 1>As for you, Gariga, that's the guy's name. Although you

0:55:56.600 --> 0:55:59.239
<v Speaker 1>are a murderer and a thief, we have spared you

0:55:59.520 --> 0:56:02.320
<v Speaker 1>because we, as libertarians appreciate the value of human life,

0:56:02.560 --> 0:56:05.799
<v Speaker 1>something in which you have never nor likely to understand.

0:56:07.120 --> 0:56:10.960
<v Speaker 2>That's phenomenal. We were talking about cringe email signature quotes before,

0:56:11.000 --> 0:56:12.520
<v Speaker 2>but if you could just put that one in the

0:56:12.560 --> 0:56:17.479
<v Speaker 2>email signature total, that would let people know you weren't

0:56:17.480 --> 0:56:18.200
<v Speaker 2>fucking around.

0:56:18.320 --> 0:56:20.160
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. We are people who have never and will never

0:56:20.200 --> 0:56:22.120
<v Speaker 1>beg for what it's ours. So long as we have

0:56:22.200 --> 0:56:23.719
<v Speaker 1>the strength to do so, we will fight for the

0:56:23.760 --> 0:56:25.480
<v Speaker 1>freedom of the Spanish working class.

0:56:25.960 --> 0:56:29.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Phenomenally based.

0:56:29.560 --> 0:56:33.439
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. And so, if you're curious, how do you become

0:56:33.440 --> 0:56:35.680
<v Speaker 1>a folk hero? The fastest way if you're trying to

0:56:35.680 --> 0:56:41.600
<v Speaker 1>like speed run folk hero robin hood, this is how you.

0:56:41.680 --> 0:56:45.239
<v Speaker 1>People fucking loved these people, now, not the fascist. The

0:56:45.239 --> 0:56:49.279
<v Speaker 1>fascist didn't like them very much. But regular people. He

0:56:49.320 --> 0:56:52.680
<v Speaker 1>didn't hide his identity. He was robbing people in his

0:56:52.719 --> 0:56:56.400
<v Speaker 1>hometown where everyone knew him. He mostly rolled up and

0:56:56.480 --> 0:57:01.960
<v Speaker 1>said soy el Gico, I am elk Eco and people

0:57:02.000 --> 0:57:05.640
<v Speaker 1>would be like, oh shit, I give up. Yeah, yeah,

0:57:05.840 --> 0:57:08.759
<v Speaker 1>I know how to say. Which is a really good

0:57:08.840 --> 0:57:11.040
<v Speaker 1>reason to have a reputation for not hurting the people

0:57:11.080 --> 0:57:14.279
<v Speaker 1>you rob, because if you have a reputation for not

0:57:14.360 --> 0:57:16.920
<v Speaker 1>hurting the people you rob, then there's no reason to

0:57:16.960 --> 0:57:17.680
<v Speaker 1>fight back.

0:57:18.840 --> 0:57:21.360
<v Speaker 2>Right, You're just gonna give them some stuff and then

0:57:21.400 --> 0:57:22.000
<v Speaker 2>they're gonna leave.

0:57:22.080 --> 0:57:22.640
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:57:22.680 --> 0:57:25.080
<v Speaker 2>And he's also very clearly capable of killing people, so

0:57:25.360 --> 0:57:27.439
<v Speaker 2>you don't you don't want to create they create any

0:57:27.440 --> 0:57:28.040
<v Speaker 2>stress for him.

0:57:28.120 --> 0:57:33.080
<v Speaker 1>Yeh, exactly. And this is the story of one guy.

0:57:33.200 --> 0:57:35.840
<v Speaker 1>He's absolutely one of many. He's not robin Hood, he's

0:57:35.880 --> 0:57:37.800
<v Speaker 1>one of He's one of the merry men with no

0:57:37.920 --> 0:57:40.280
<v Speaker 1>robin Hood to speak of. Apparently his friends don't clap

0:57:40.320 --> 0:57:43.360
<v Speaker 1>when he gives speeches. They are all robin Hoods. For

0:57:43.400 --> 0:57:45.600
<v Speaker 1>the sake of brevity and narrative, I'm leaving out an

0:57:45.680 --> 0:57:49.320
<v Speaker 1>endless string of heroic people who fought Franco. But this man,

0:57:50.040 --> 0:57:54.000
<v Speaker 1>he's just getting started. Like literally, this is the preamble

0:57:54.080 --> 0:57:56.520
<v Speaker 1>to the stuff he's famous for. We have not gotten

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<v Speaker 1>to what he is famous for yet. He is not

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<v Speaker 1>famous for, let's see, escaping prison twice, killing four cops

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<v Speaker 1>who tried to arrest him, fighting against the Nazis for years,

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<v Speaker 1>fixing people's toilets, stopping a fascist coup maybe twice, fighting

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<v Speaker 1>on the last unit of Flee Barcelona. No, he's famous

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<v Speaker 1>for what comes next, which we'll talk about on Wednesday.

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<v Speaker 1>That's my best cliffhanger I think I've ever done.

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<v Speaker 2>That was banging. Absolutely.

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<v Speaker 1>I know you aren't going to clap, but you know,

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<v Speaker 1>just I don't want to be guilty of legalists leaderism.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, yeah, we show our support by being.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's right. And if people want to show support

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<v Speaker 1>for you, James and what you do or whatever you

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<v Speaker 1>want to plug.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they can participate in mutual eight. That would be

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<v Speaker 2>very nice. That would make me happy. They can be

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<v Speaker 2>nice to animals, that will make me happy. And if

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<v Speaker 2>when they've done those things, then they're allowed to follow

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<v Speaker 2>me on Twitter dot com. But if you have to

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<v Speaker 2>submit like a couple of photos, yeah, yeah, get like

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<v Speaker 2>get a selfie where you're like like, you know, battery chickens, right,

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<v Speaker 2>they don't want to be there. Take a selfie if

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<v Speaker 2>you've let them run free, and you can follow me.

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<v Speaker 2>It's at James Stout. Don't do crimes now, I'm only

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<v Speaker 2>legal crimes mm hmm yeah, or like in times of

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<v Speaker 2>war then you know all bets. Yeah yeah yeah, until then,

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<v Speaker 2>keep it legal. Yeah. Be nice to animals. Yeah, Feed

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<v Speaker 2>a bird. Feed a fucking bird that's just flying around.

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<v Speaker 2>Just give it some feed and then then you can

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<v Speaker 2>follow me.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, okay, m And the thing I want to plug

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<v Speaker 1>is that if you like mutual aid and revolution, but

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<v Speaker 1>you kind of sometimes prefer to just sit around with

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<v Speaker 1>your friends and imagine it at a table rolling dice

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<v Speaker 1>that I'm working on a role playing game called The

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<v Speaker 1>Number City that as of right now, maybe not when

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<v Speaker 1>you're listening to it, but when it's being released, is

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<v Speaker 1>being kickstarted and it's called the Number City. And if

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<v Speaker 1>you google a Number City kickstarter you'll find it. And

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<v Speaker 1>it's about gangs and the occult and fighting the Immortal

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<v Speaker 1>God King and there's no money in it and it's amazing.

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<v Speaker 2>I will believe that's fun. Yeah, I am writing a book.

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<v Speaker 2>I should have mentioned. I should know if you like

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<v Speaker 2>anarchist killing people, then I am writing a book about

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<v Speaker 2>anarchists at war with ak Press, and it will be

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<v Speaker 2>out when I finished writing it, and then they finished

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<v Speaker 2>see it, and when I have been to some different

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<v Speaker 2>places where anarchists are currently engaged in conflict against fascism

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<v Speaker 2>in the state.

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